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Darkseid,
Can only agree with your observations about AW and the fat issue in particular. What's really, really bizzare is that American guys still go after those whales. I guess that we're acclimated to them or something.
Another thing I've noticed where I live is that these "thunder thighs" women almost always have their kids in tow. I mean, guys are actually screwing these fat, ugly bitches! Wow. We American guys have it rough.
Bart and I discovered Eastern European women and that was it for us. If a Czech woman looked like a lot of the women in America, they wouldn't even come out of the house.
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In defense of big woman in the US, alot of them might be fat but they make up for it in personality without being stuck up and having that "I'm a hot ***** and you are just after my pussy attitude". They can be cool people unlike hot AW's who can't get out of their own way. Now I like slender woman, but a J-Lo body type or Minnie Driver will get my attention. What you have to watch out for is when you meet a chick that just lost some weight and thinks she has you for good. Little while later she gains the weight back and more. Happens all the time.
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You will find fat women everywhere on the planet. Even in places where people tend to be trim you will find them. Its all relative, in the US 80 percent of women are either overweight or obese. J Lo is an attractive woman in an exotic way, women like her in my experience are the most unapproachable ones. The more "common" attractive women tend to be easier. I was hanging out on a beach here in Spain, and saw a group of blonde German women, had no problems whatsoever hooking up with them, but then I saw a very exotic tanned Spaniard, Jessica Alba looalike, and couldn't hit it off with her. A few days earlier
I saw a an exotic Asian woman at Sydney airport and was able to speak to her, she was from Malaysia, she was really tall and had a very exotic look, her eyes were unbelievable.
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CBGB,
It's true, there are fat women all over the planet. The problem is that most of them are concentrated here. Just like Saudi Arabia has most of the oil, North America has most of the fat women.
It also seems that the poorest and most uneducated are also the fattest. Has anyone else noticed the same thing? My wife (from Africa) didn't believe me when I told her that all those fat people were mostly poor. This must be the only part of the world where this is so.
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Poor Diet
Our poor subsist mostly on a diet of incredibly fattening highly processed crap. It's cheap to make, cheap to sell, and has the biggest profit margin for the corporate scumbags make and sell it. Also, it makes them lethargic and less likely to stir things up.
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I have to disagree with Mike about fat women, I have seen a lot of plus size women in NYC, and many of them aren't friendly, in fact they are nasty as hell, arrogant, and many are obnoxious with silver tongues. Many times when I travel around the world, I see the epitome of class. On a connecting flight from Singapore to Frankfurt, I met a lovely Austrian woman of Turkish origin, she was absolute class and beauty and made a 20 hour flight feel like an hour. She was only a modestly paid flight attendant with an income that is a fraction of women I have met in New York, yet she had ten times more class, and reminded me of a young Jackie Kennedy. Some people from NY might know the anecdote about fat Long Island women. Long Island happens to be one of the wealthiest areas of the United States, and the entire world, and I would say the majority of women I have met there are fat not to mention nasty and obnoxious. I could go to a more working class city like Minneapolis and see that the women there are far more attractive than those in the Northeast, then again a lot of women in Minnesota there trace their roots directly to Scandinavia and Germany.
As far as the issue of poverty is concerned, most Europeans would be considered "poor" by US standards, yet European women are on average slimmer and more attractive than their US counterparts. Germany is the richest country in Europe, but more than half of Germans live in cramped apartments and don't own a home or their own car. They don't seem to indulge in buying unecessary junk food and going out to eat fast food, not as much as American women, since they have less disposable income, and European women are very budget conscious. One Bulgarian lady I met in Germany even refused some rather nice presents I got for her, she loved to cook, and I bought her a set of cooking pots, rather nice, but she turned it away flat.
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Fact 1. 65% of all Americans are obese by medical standards.
Fact 2. People from New York city or New Jersey are unfriendly, rude, self-centered and arrogant.
Fact 3. People from Minneapolis may be more friendly, but they are also fat. The best place to go for friendly people is Montana or North Dakota. I know from experience because I lived in Mpls for 23 years.
Fact 4. Younger people are slimmer. The women have not had babies yet and once they have babies they get fat.
I am going to the gym right now to do my part and I stay away from New Yorkers. I have in the past been friends with a person from New Jersey, she was nice. But no New Yorkers.
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I just got back from a two week trip to Europe and realized afterwards how truly fat Americans, both men and women, are. I could not believe how slim Europeans were, no matter what age. I attribute this to their diet and way of life.
Driving a car is not economically feasible there and the sight of hot Europeans chicks, dressed up fabulously, and riding bicycles was something to behold. There were a numbers of times that I had to take pictures of them riding their bikes on the streets of Amsterdam and Copenhagen because I had to show this phenomena to my pals back in the US.
A great thing about European women, no matter how good looking, is how friendly they were. I was able to talk to attractive total strangers in Spain, Denmark, Germany and the Netherlands quite easily. All one has to do is to act like a gentleman and be nice. I offered my seat in a crowded tram to an attractive German girl in Amsterdam and the next thing you know I had her phone number and a date that night. I think they appreciate that moreso than in the US, where arrogance seems to be a virtue.
I can't wait to get back and going there via Iceland Air is as cheap as going to Costa Rica. Next time, I'll try Eastern Europe. I met some Croatian women on my last trip and they were gorgeous.
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Mike, I have to disagree with you about obese women being friendly. They are in fact the most arrogant pieces of shits I ever met. They are the meanest sanitation cops, meter maids, and DMV personnel I ever encounter. I don't mean to generalize but EVERY ONE OF THEM were like that and that is because of the feminist -"You go girl", snake-head culture in the big cities such as NYC, Detroit, and Chicago. There might be a few exceptions but there are so few of them that I haven't found any. And this is not because they can't get laid. I'm sure with all these guys with "fattishes" can hook up with them and they get some at least once a week. Also guys that don't travel also think they are the only game in town and think they are doomed to be with these women so they also hook up with them.
These buffaloes are also the worst bitches to break up with. I had a Cuban girl that turned fat because her friend she met at the cursed New York University corrupted her with the feminist behemoth culture and told her to make my life a living hell any way possible. She listened and did that for 2 years before she found a new guy who was into "thick" women. Imagine if I had gotten married, I would have been broke because they are very spiteful and want to make you suffer. As they say about marriage there are 3 rings- engagement ring, wedding ring, and suffer-ring. Divorce from one of these fat AWs is like a Financial Venereal Disease. You suffer financial deterioration for the rest of your life.
The most unfortunate scenario about AW today is that their children are becoming miniature piglets. Gyms and athletic recreational facilities are being replaced by fast food eateries and restaurants. The gymnastics gym I used to work out in was replaced by an eatery with a Burger King, Wendy's, Chinese take-out placed called Panda Express, and a Dunkin Donuts. This location used to be filled with "fit" tumblers, now it is filled with "fat" whales. New York City is becoming a cesspool full of junk food. I could hardly find a place to work out here anymore. There are a few gyms left but they charge $75 a month and I have to bite the bullet and pay that because I can't fit a home gym in my parent's small apartment. I still can't figure why my retired dad won't leave this hellhole but I was forced to move back in with my parents because of Bush and his effect on my financial situation.
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Fact 2. People from New York city or New Jersey are unfriendly, rude, self-centered and arrogant.
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That's the reason why I left, and its also part of the reason why the US is seen negatively in a lot of places. To most people around the world, New York is representative of America, living abroad, I noticed that its the most common destination for a lot of people to visit. I have met people from New York abroad and they perputuate the stereotype of nasty people but then I see someone from the Midwest or West coast and they behave totally different. Australians I know meet mostly Californians who tend to be very laid back so California is Australia's image of the US. Even though I'm from New York, most people don't believe it because I tend to be quiet and mellow.
Life in the Northeast US is a depressing hell on Earth. The interesting thing is that physically northern European countries like Holland, Germany, and the Scandinavian countries resemble Northeastern US cities to some degree but they don't depress the shit out of me, its because of the women.
The WHO did a report about obesity worldwide, it was interesting to read, not surprising the US has the most obese population in the world. The United Kingdom and Ireland ranked second and third. Some of the other countries surprised me, Germany and Russia are considered to be fat countries as well. That beats me because every German or Russian lady I have met seems to be a stick figure. The countries that are moderate included Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Denmark, Japan, Italy, Sweden, and the Netherlands. France is considered to be the skinniest country in the industrialized world according to the report.
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I have asked a number of guys who fuck fat women what do they see in them? The answer always seems to be that the fat women have tighter wetter pussies than the average skinny women. Can anyone here vouch for that? Since I spoke to these guys face to face I suspect that they might have been trying to justify whale fucking in order to avoid being the butt of jokes, so I am looking for an honest answer via the forum.
I have noticed that fat women are a lot more aggressive when it comes to trying to pick-up guys. I have been hit on by many a porker but I have always declined being the prey. The last thing I need to is to be stalked by a plus-size AW, in fact make that any American woman fat or skinny. Their appetite for vengeance after rejection is unsatiable. I question the motives of any AW who appears to be too eager to fuck because it is not their usual nature. Too many AWs are on anti-depressants and other psycho-active meds.
When in Latin America I find it much easier to accept the women being a bit aggressive. I have always heard sex researchers say that the eyes become wider and the pupils dilate when a woman sees a man that she likes, but I never really saw this physiological reaction until I started travelling to Latin America. One can literally see this reaction as you pass attractive women on the side-walk who make eye contact with you. They really give you a little glimpse of the genuine raw passion on the inside. It is almost like you are engaging in foreplay on the street. You will not have any doubt as to what is going on because they behave like that even when you're not dressed up.
Don't try to make eye contact like that in the US unless you want to get maced or locked up. The only way you'll see some obvious pupil dilation here is by pulling out a crisp stack of C-notes while wearing an Armani suit and a diamond encrusted Rolex.
I tend to agree with the concensus that AWs are not necessarily any friendlier when they are fat. Geographic region seems to have a bigger role in civility, with the Northeast being renowned for loud mouthed rude and vulgar people and the Southeast having a reputation for more courteous friendly folks. Coincidentally, the Southeast has a large proportion of fat people and that may be why fat is equated with friendly.
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Economics is another factor in a woman's behavior, not her appearance. European women on average and many other women around the world live a fairly modest lifestyle compared to US or most Canadian women. I would say only Australian ladies seem to live and shop like American women, but at least they are better in the sex department. I have met a lot of extremely attractive women in Europe doing some rather modest jobs, working in a sandwich shop, a teller in a bank(I met one in Germany who was a total knockout who completely digged yours truly :) ), a train usher, hotel desk clerk, flight attendant, these women in modest positions have more class than American women with MD, CPA, Vice President, JD, or Phd behind their names in high powered positions. Economics is largely an issue of power, the more money you have the more you can do in life, and hence the more power you have. In other words women elsewhere are less "powerful" and therefore nicer.
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the northeast
CBGB, what the Hell are you complaining about? You lived in the Northeast (NYC specifically) and found it a hell hole? At least YOU were in a cultural, happening hub of activity, even if it WASN'T the best place in the world, chick-wise. Try living in CONNECTICUT! Hartford was BY FAR, the dullest, unfriendly matropolis I have EVER inhabited! I swear, when I transferred to there from the South, it was like living in the book:"1984" . The place and the women were soulless to the point of seeming like it would suck the soul out of ME! MY high points of living there (IF you can call it that) were the two times I traveled on day trips to NYC. No, I didn't find a single pleasant chick THERE, either, but at least YOU lived in the more POPULAR location of the nation's colon...
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Never Enough
I thought I post this long article here since it talks about a couple of things that have been posted in this section of the forum recently (i.e. obesity, economy, etc..).
Never Enough
By Laura Barcella, AlterNet. Posted August 26, 2005.
In American Mania: When More is Not Enough, renowned psychiatrist Dr. Peter C. Whybrow skillfully and sensitively critiques the mess America has made of its consumer culture.
What have we become? According to Whybrow’s scientific and philosophical analyses, we’ve devolved into a nation of overindulging, overstimulated flakes addicted to easy access and instant gratification.
Dr. Whybrow argues that our seemingly interminable quest for more -- more money, more power, more toys, more cars -- has in fact become a form of clinical mania marked by symptoms such as anxiety, depression and obesity.
To avoid suffering a collective mental breakdown, Whybrow implores us to stop focusing on things and instead turn our attention to people -- family, friends and community. It's a familiar refrain, but one that clearly needs repeating: If we are to be happy, Americans must stop superficially striving, and learn to prioritize people over products.
Dr. Whybrow spoke with AlterNet from his office in Los Angeles.
AlterNet: In your book, you write that America's "migrant spirit" plays a key role in the development of our culture's mania. Can you explain that idea for those who haven't read the book?
The idea of American mania is that we are drawn into frenzied activity largely by instinctual strivings. This is very natural, and keeps us alive. But the migrant has this striving to an even greater degree than the average person -- if you think about what it is that drives most of us, it's curiosity, it's self-preservation, and also social ambition. These are the three fundamental aspects of what drives individuals and what drives all market societies.
In America, one of the reasons we find the market so compelling and why we're so good at it is that most of us came from somewhere else. Only 2 percent of the world's population actually moves hundreds or thousands of miles away from where they were born; most people die within 50 miles of where they were born, believe it or not.
We're a collection of survivalists; we're a collection of people who are very curious, very assertive, able to figure out what to do with little, to make the best of things, and so on and so forth.
We've built ourselves this wonderful culture -- this wonderful material pleasure palace -- and we're not quite sure how to stop. We've discovered an aberration of the human spirit a little earlier than most other countries -- but everybody's catching up, slowly.
What do you think is the scariest symptom of America's collective frenzy for more, more, more?
I think the scariest part is that we have not started to question it as a nation. Lots of individuals have started to question it, and that's partly why the book has become so popular. But we have to think through what it is that we're doing to ourselves.
Take food, for example -- instinctually we love to eat ... salt; we love fat. And much of the food that we have available to us contains those things; we just overeat and do very bad things to ourselves.
The same is true in terms of our curiosity for information. We can inundate ourselves 24 hours a day now with electronic systems, and all of these things tend to actually push us to the edge of our sociological tolerance.
People are not supposed to eat all day and take no exercise. It's very bad for the human body, and you eventually end up developing Type II diabetes. And if you don't know how to control your time and the technology in your life, you can rapidly become anxious because you worry that you're missing something.
The other thing which is very evident, though some people don't even see it as a behavioral problem, and which you read about everyday in the newspapers, is that people become essentially seduced into engaging in practices which are not good for them.
I just got an email the other day from a person that'd been caught up in the whole dot-com craziness, and [he had] done some "creative accounting" in one of the companies. He realized later -- when he was caught, and with terrible remorse -- that he'd destroyed his life.
But the idea that one needs more -- which is driven in part by social ambition -- makes many people forget the reality of the world, which is, of course, that happiness doesn't come from just material acquisition, whether that means more food, or more information, or more money. It comes from a totally different source: the way in which you spend your life with other people.
What would be the worst possible outcome if Americans continued down the path we're on right now?
Well, on the individual level, which is the way the book is pitched, we will find a rising level of these sorts of disorders that I was just talking about. But I think the greed that we see will become much more individualistic, and much less socially involved. That will begin to slowly destroy the next generation of people, because the way we learn how to live in a society is from others. And if everybody is totally individualistic, we're not going to learn.
But perhaps even more importantly, [we] will find that the economy will begin to collapse, because the signs are already out there. We are consuming too much; we're going well beyond our ability to finance it. We're the biggest debtor in the world now, and a lot of the world economy is based on American consumerism.
That can't last forever. So one of the most painful course corrections could be something very similar to what happened in the 1930s, only it would happen more slowly at the beginning.
For example, as the housing market bursts -- which everybody is beginning to think will happen soon -- most people who have high costs on their mortgages now will find that their houses won't be worth as much, and they won't be able to afford the mortgage. So there's going to be a major economic crisis in that regard. That could be a course correction that will be painful and very unpleasant for folks.
And what do you think we can do to help people understand that this consumer-mania is dangerous?
First of all, the sort of intelligent information-gathering that AlterNet provides with your website will be very helpful, because I think people do read. Americans are intelligent folks. We're not greedy, if we begin to realize that we're harming ourselves. Just as we did with smoking, we will decide to take a different course. The question is, how painful must it become before that happens?
For some individuals it's already happening. For other people, it will probably take evidence -- within their family or within their own economic circumstances -- that things have changed, before they start changing their behavior.
What I would like to see is a growing movement -- which is starting in some parts of the country -- where people realize that they can actually be much happier by living within their means. One of the ways in which we tend to go to extremes now is by purchasing things that we can't really afford and then we mortgage ourselves into the future.
There are a lot of people who are beginning to say, "You know, I don't really want to work two jobs; I don't think I need that second car." It's starting at the individual level, and once that really begins, then it will take hold.
Just let me say, parenthetically, one of the most important things about this country is the entrepreneurial spirit, and the fact that we're very creative, and we're very willing to take risks and so on and so forth. But we have to preserve that space for the seed corn of our culture, and it can only be preserved if we're prepared to have a social infrastructure that allows people to take risks and doesn't persecute them when they fall foul.
If you have an economy that is so stretched out that nobody has any savings, and everybody is busy working as hard as they possibly can just to pay the mortgage, then that is not the social infrastructure that one needs to maintain curiosity and excitement. I think that we need to do this from the standpoint of the health of the culture, and there are some people who are beginning to realize that.
For example, there's a whole movement in Vermont now to secede -- believe it or not -- from the U.S., because they believe that the lifestyle that we are perpetuating in many urban areas is destructive to the rural life. Whether this debate will go anywhere I don't know, but the fact that the debate is beginning is fascinating to me.
What is the connection there between urban vs. rural life? Do you think that this frenzy is more common and more prevalent in urban centers?
Well, the seduction is greater in urban centers. There are two things that occur to me. One, for example, is the commercial drive. It's all, of course, brought back to Wal-Mart, which happens to be the biggest commercial enterprise for the consumer in the country; in the world.
There's overwhelming evidence now that when a Wal-Mart store comes into town, that although the prices at the Wal-Mart stores are lower, it forces out so many businessmen that the local economy is actually worse off at the end, and the taxpayer is worse off at the end.
Many of the jobs provided by Wal-Mart actually end up being without benefits, so employees end up on the public purse... Somebody calculated that the average person saves $58.48 a year by shopping at Wal-Mart.
Another aspect of how our lifestyle tends to erode our culture is that people are trying extremely hard to keep up -- not only with their neighbors, but also just the two jobs they have.
There's an amazing outbreak of amphetamines across the country that you've probably heard of. It's rampant across the country now. Everybody talks about marijuana being the problem. That's not the problem -- it's individuals who are essentially hijacking their pleasure centers, trying to stay awake.
Those types of erosions will, within a generation or two, have a massive effect upon what I consider to be the crucible of the culture: the stable family and community structures, which enable people to grow up and learn how it is to behave in a normal, balanced civil society. When you begin to get large numbers of people who are addicted to amphetamines or to material goods, this fragments families.
And once the family is fragmented and the community is fragmented, the next generation grows up with no real awareness of what it is that they need to do in order to be happy. So you get onto this strange treadmill situation -- it's even a slippery slope really -- where they fall into something without even realizing it's a genuine addiction.
So for all these reasons American Mania's subtitle, When more is not enough, tries to point out that more of what we're doing is actually not going to bring us what we want.
In mania, what happens is that you shoot right past happiness into this terrible disorganized fireworks display which you have no control over. But happiness lies somewhere behind us.
You can be happy with much less information, fewer material goods, much less of the stuff that we have now. But nobody really looks in the rearview mirror -- they're all driving ahead. In fact, we need to do a U-turn, because happiness lies somewhere behind us, not down the road. More cars, more houses, etc., are not going to do it for us.
In the book you wrote about a cultural and biological mismatch that has been actually making us sick. Could you explain that?
The human genome was developed essentially over millions of years, and the only thing that distinguishes us from most other mammals is that we have much greater intelligence. The rational part of the brain that balances the instinctive part is much more developed in us than it is in other animals. That is our great advantage.
Unfortunately, we have used that advantage to create ourselves an environment, inadvertently, which actually is so pleasurable to the instinctual side of our behavior that we now are doing many things which we're not physiologically cut out to do.
Let me give you an example. People who have the most problems with weight gain here in the U.S. are people whose ancestors migrated here long before the Europeans came. So the people who have American Indian blood in their veins, particularly in South America where the Indian-European mix is greater, are the ones who, when they get onto a high-carbohydrate diet, have much more trouble maintaining normal weight, because they're used to very frugal circumstances.
In other words, their particular inheritance is that they can survive on almost nothing. And so when you then give them a high-calorie diet, there's a mismatch between the environment, their diet, and their genome. The genome hasn't changed.
We used to be in a situation where we would run for our supper and if we caught it, we'd eat it. And we had to wait until the next day [to eat again]. So we were much leaner and fitter before our present environment.
So nothing has changed in the genetics of the human being, but the environment we've created, this extraordinary affluence -- we don't really know what to do with it.
We have no experience with it; we're much better at living with scarcity than we are affluence. So the mismatch is the affluent environment with this ancient genome that grew up under scarce circumstances. Only our intelligence will help us understand how to repair that, because the genetics are not going to change fast enough to save us.
But this propensity for affluence and extravagant lifestyles depends on class, education and where you live. What other factors are involved?
All of those things, I think. The people who are more affluent and have better educations recognize many of these things, and because of their resources they're able to step back from the treadmill. But that's not true of all affluent folks. Many affluent families, in fact, drive themselves because they are highly competitive, and they drive their children in a way that schedules them and makes them "little adults," much too young.
There's a lot of evidence, for example, that anxiety in families who earn over $150,000 a year is much greater in the adolescents than it is in those families that earn the average, about $50,000 a year. So affluence does tend to produce these things, but fortunately many people who are wealthier can avoid them once they become aware of them.
The other problem is people who are not as well off. As you know, America has an extraordinary spread of riches, the broadest spread from the poorest to the richest in the world. The poorer people are those who are much more open to eating a very high carbohydrate diet and taking no exercise, and they're the ones who're getting Type II diabetes and hypertension and all the difficulties which go along with overeating. So I think there is a social difference there.
There's also something of a difference, in terms of the way people live, between the coasts. I mean, [people] in Los Angeles are much more frenetic than [people in] Vermont and New Hampshire, for example, as I try to explain in the book. So I think that where you live does tend to influence demand.
When a lot of people around you are affluent, it's natural human envy to want to be like them. And this tends to be homogenized by the way television has created this whole mythology about how people live, which of course is not the way people really live. But in the urban centers, we're constantly bombarded by advertisements for new cars, new clothes, new cell phones, new electronic gadgets. It's very difficult to resist!
Laura Barcella is AlterNet's front page editor.
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I probably wouldn't do too well with women, either, if I still lived with mommy and daddy.