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[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]if that was true why are Men in other countries where woman are submissive still fuck around. There is no country in the world where men are faitful. Period. No matter how domesticated the women might B. Hell in most of the those countries. The men are notorious for having mistresses.
So why is that?[/QUOTE]
Pussification of men. Men are made to feel ashamed for being men. There has been an all-out assault on American men, especially white men (but that's a whole 'nother story).
-Title IX is one of the worst things to ever happen to american manhood.
-Feminism.
- Too many women teachers in schools.
-End of obligatory military service (tho this is not a bad thing it certainly doesn't help).
-Equal employment opportunities that take jobs from men to give them to women so many more men have shitty ass jobs instead of being the bread winners we are genetically programmed to be. Men more than women need to be proud of their work and proud of taking care of their families.
-Many good blue collar jobs going overseas.
- Political correctness
-Estrogen containing compounds in our food and drink.
And so on....
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[QUOTE=Warbucks]Originally Posted by Dymytry
I wonder, guys, if the life of a man in USA is as bad as you have wrote.
I have heard terrible things about feminist laws in USA, for example they can call police if you touch a girl sexually without asking her permission (while dancing closely in a club for example), or that in clubs and bars there is always a few girls surrounded by crowds of men. It is not similiar to Sex and the City series, why?[/QUOTE]
Dymytry:
google "Ben Roethlisberger"
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[QUOTE=Artisttyp]I agree. I am a native new yorker myself. You NEED a few things going for you in new york. It doesn't always take money but in those cases you need PULL such as a strong "hip" social circle. The lone guy going out to a bar to score may do so but it takes a certain type.
I'm old school NY. I used to meet cool people all the time in clubs or just hanging out in parks and on the street. A true NYer is very welcoming to *anybody that is comfortable with themselves.
The crowd is different now and so are the drink prices and rules. I don't think it's worth my time anymore since I started traveling.[/QUOTE]
Just wanted to tell you I really identify w/ your post about NYC. I'm a native NYer as well, its real nice to know there's another one on here. We're a dying breed it seems like. hard to believe in a city this big.
What you said about NYers is spot on. I used to meet cool people all the time, from when I was in junior high til college. Now its all these ppl that moved here from somewhere else and are pretending to be something. All my old haunts in the East Village and mid-town have disappeared save for 1 or 2. Many of the kids I grew up with in mid-town would, 90% of them, not have grown up there b/c their parents now wouldn't be able to afford it - including mine.
I bought a round for 5 the other night at a roof top bar, 75 fucking dollars b4 tip. Stuck up c#nts everywhere, you can't even engage in a nice relaxed convo.
I hear its better the farther away you get from the Northeast tho I'm not sure I believe it. I had the misfortune of living in Ohio for awhile and it was horrible too. And people were NOT nicer, that's bullsh#t.
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Great post. A lot of truth in it.
[QUOTE=Capt Ajax]What follows is NOT a reflection of conditions in my own current marriage; but a compilation of data from my own first marriage plus the experiences of several men who cheated on their wives who have spoken with me at great length about their motivations over the years.
I do not believe all appreciation for the providers is a function of age and the man's inferior sex appeal per-se. Rather, it is a function of experience.
Most married men, I believe, if they had a better home life, would not cheat. Obviously, some would no matter what. But most wouldn't. Most men find self-value in adhering to promises, meeting responsibilities, etc.
But there is an absolute epidemic out there of wives failing to provide for the most basic of a husband's needs: appreciation, acceptance, approval and physically demonstrable affection. Men are nagged endlessly, treated as accessories and disposable gateways to a lifestyle, disrespected and talked down to, (even in public) etc.
Their wives try to force husbands to be more feminine; turn them into girlfriends and shrinks, and then stop finding them attractive when they comply. The list is endless. (Not all marriages are like this. I'm talking about those of a large proportion of men who end up cheating.)
It is not at all unusual for wives to treat their pets or total strangers with higher regard than the husbands who provide for them. These men are exposed to endless emotional and psychological ABUSE day-in and day-out. They take it out of misplaced loyalty, for the sake of kids (who really shouldn't grow up learning that men should be treated that way), because their wives have destroyed their self-esteem, a biased legal system, etc.
Your average woman wouldn't take even a tenth of the abuse that men do these days.
When their self-centered, self-important and scandalously selfish wives concede to sex; it is often taken care of with about as much ardor as taking a shit.
The double standards in the home are breathtaking; and the manipulation is endless. If he doesn't let her go spend a day at the spa with the girls, he is being "controlling;" but if he wants to go spend Saturday down at the golf course, "he doesn't love her."
These men are absolutely STARVED for acceptance, basic respectful treatment, physically demonstrated affection and to just plain be treated fairly like normally-valued HUMAN BEINGS. They want an outlet where they can express their primal manhood without being treated as though they are an icky pariah barely deserving of drawing breath.
A provider, albeit for a fee, treats her client with normal human respect and dignity; accepts him as he is, gives him tacit approval to be a man in an environment free from "gotchas" and makes love to him enthusiastically. Like she means it. (Even if she doesn't. The man will suspend disbelief. Though -- maybe I am a bit naive -- I really DO think some providers really mean it. How they manage it, I don't know.)
Of COURSE he is appreciative. He is as appreciative as a starving man placed in front of a plate of spaghetti.
But it isn't just the sex that makes them appreciative. It is the ATTITUDE. Giving a man a great buildup and one hellatious orgasm does not take more than an hour. The reason men book providers for more than an hour is because they need more than the orgasm from her.
And, yes, men ARE easily controlled. Men WANT to please the women in their lives. If they are given acceptance, approval and appreciation coupled with physically demonstrable affection -- they will conquer continents for the woman who does it. And more often than not, they'll remain faithful too.
And when the woman giving the acceptance and physical affection happens to be a provider; depending on just how starved the guy is; she DOES gain a certain level of power. Power that the man's wife surrendered through abusing it. BUT, if she is ethical, that power is not abused; because she already knows what the wife did wrong.
(One reason I think some providers could make really fantastic wives. They get it. They see the results of all the other women's mistakes.)
So I think an older guy's appreciation for a provider is NOT always a function of the man being unable to get laid by a hottie. MANY hobbyists could do so readily; and seek providers for discretion and to avoid complications in meeting basic human needs.
In fact, I would say a lot of men are a lot more attractive than they think they are. It's just that their sexual self-esteem is in the TANK.
(That's an interesting way to assure fidelity. Make sure your husband feels so damned unattractive that anytime a pretty girl makes a pass at him he believes she's picking on him and couldn't possibly be sincere. Sometimes this technique backfires though.)
So I believe that a major reason why guys with experience appreciate providers so much is because of the way providers TREAT them.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]NYC in the past 15 years has lost EVERYTHING that made it special...![/QUOTE]
F#cking 646ers...
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[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]It looks like a few of you cruise these places. I was wondering if you might have come across any social lending sites that offer decent-sized loans which DON'T involve repayments in sex...ie. proper loans with contracts and cash repayments? I've been searching around and all I can find are sugar daddy sites and micro-loans (mostly focused on developing countries).
Sorry for the off topic post. Just seemed like something you guys might know about. x[/QUOTE]
I'm not familiar with the AUS/NZ Financial System and ethical banking is not mainstream yet. Nobody is giving out loans or haven't you noticed? Only to wealth banks, via crashing economies.
Unless your credit score is in the 700's and even then if your debt to income ratio is out of whack they won't give a red cent. How do you even prove your income? What do you file under "Social Worker"? I kid because I care... :)
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[QUOTE=Cherchezfemme]
-Estrogen containing compounds in our food and drink.
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Now that was funny.
All kidding aside, if you have the means could you pick up and move somewhere for 6 months? A year? Are you settled in your job? USA is prison to the max, and the country I wouldnt live in if you paid me. If I had no choice I'd be leaving every chance I got. (USA born and raised here).
The worst part about your post is you are in your mid 30's!! I'm probably just a bit younger than you are, but mid 30's in any other place is considered young! Only in USA is this age considered over the hill and getting dirty looks. I was in my early 30's and dating an 18 year old outside USA! Her father was your age and dating a 19 year old.
That's just half of it for me though, there is a ton of other bullshit that goes on in the USA that I can't stand also.
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[QUOTE=Goga Fung]That's funny shit! Incredible with how much crazy stuff they would come up to make money from the fucked up people. I also saw a website offering dating women who are currently in American prisons. Is it that bad that one needs to go to prison for a date to find a woman?:)
I'm not sure if you need to feel bad for the poor bastards. On the front page I saw this ad of a 23 y.o. guy who wants to use his tongue on those old big women ... and calls himself the most normal on the site.
If that's the most normal, than who is the rest?
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Yes there are web sites that promote women in prison, some are scams...
That is hitting the bottom of the barrel IMHO, why would you want to settle down with a woman with criminal record? In most states she can't vote, can't get a decent job, at least not without a degree but even then, depending on the crime, why hire them over somebody without a criminal record?
Sure I have thought about it. I didn't know better then but thank goodness I never ventured down that road.
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[QUOTE=Goga Fung]After spending time in south America and Central Asia I would look only at what is at least twice thinner than what is considered "thin" in USA.
You got a good point regarding their bullshit about money, finances. About 2 years ago I spoke with an American girl, she was so much in love with her BMW (like it was her life-time achievement), I was wondering that she had better start making her ass thinner than trying to impress men with her expensive car and education.
Even though my English is much better than Spanish I prefer talking to Latin working(or non working. Does not matter) girls, much more fun. Last week had several parties in Colombia, completely different stuff.[/QUOTE]
So that Romance Latina is legit? I joined but I wasn't sure and their Flickr page doesn't work right.
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[QUOTE=Jon32]Now that was funny.
All kidding aside, if you have the means could you pick up and move somewhere for 6 months? A year? Are you settled in your job? USA is prison to the max, and the country I wouldnt live in if you paid me. If I had no choice I'd be leaving every chance I got. (USA born and raised here).
The worst part about your post is you are in your mid 30's!! I'm probably just a bit younger than you are, but mid 30's in any other place is considered young! Only in USA is this age considered over the hill and getting dirty looks. I was in my early 30's and dating an 18 year old outside USA! Her father was your age and dating a 19 year old.
That's just half of it for me though, there is a ton of other bullshit that goes on in the USA that I can't stand also.[/QUOTE]
That's why I'm going back to school so I can be some value somewhere OUTSIDE of America. I am likely of value outside of America already but the economy makes it less likely for you to be hired over natives which is fine.
I wish I could figure out how to make money from blogging - :)
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[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]That's why I'm going back to school so I can be some value somewhere OUTSIDE of America. I am likely of value outside of America already but the economy makes it less likely for you to be hired over natives which is fine.
I wish I could figure out how to make money from blogging - :)[/QUOTE]1. You want to go over your notes on that one. There are lots of expatriates working here as engineers (mostly Germans, some Americans), and EVERY SINGLE ONE of them to whom I've spoken said that they got their career started in the States (or Germany) and then got transferred here. I've yet to meet anyone who came over here and "got an engineering job." And I sure have tried to figure out how I could get a Chemistry lab job here. No such luck.
2. There is also the problem of your immigration status. The EU countries are VERY GRUMPY about giving residence permits. And when I hear about the unemployment rates in places like Spain and Portugal, I don't wonder why.
3. There are quite a few people in China getting education (lots of Indians attending medical schools here and lots of Africans attending different programs sponsored by their governments). But as many people as I see here getting educations, I have yet to meet a single Indian who actually worked in the hospitals here. (You can come here and pay tuition fees, but you can't work here.) Nor have I met any of the Africans working in any positions of engineering (and the bars near where I live are stuffed with German engineers every night).
4. I don't know why so many people think that the Europeans don't have enough educated people. University degrees are free there (and no surprise that there are probably more of them). But all these well educated Europeans still seem to have trouble finding work.
5. What other languages do you speak? Outside of a science lab, people do expect you to speak the local language fluently if you want to go out looking for a job.
6. There are Africans all over the place in Eastern Europe (at least there were when I last went there many years back) and they all spoke the local language. Your dream of becoming a basketball star over there might not materialize quite as easily as all that.
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[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]So that Romance Latina is legit? I joined but I wasn't sure and their Flickr page doesn't work right.[/QUOTE]Why would not it be legit? Check in Colombia forum. I went to some of their parties in Cali and Medellin. Their Flickr page is working fine in my browser. Compared to most USA dating sites which are mostly scam or filled with buttugly women (just take a look at PlentyOfFish), RomanceLatina is much more legit and has some real good-looking girls.
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[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]That's why I'm going back to school so I can be some value somewhere OUTSIDE of America. I am likely of value outside of America already but the economy makes it less likely for you to be hired over natives which is fine.
I wish I could figure out how to make money from blogging - :)[/QUOTE]I think you better hurry up. Do not wait too long. The world is not as it used to be 10-20 years ago and changing rapidly. Unfortunately.
And the women too! Women in many parts of the world are getting more "educated", local people are getting richer. I do not think an average American can compete for women in places such as Moscow or Kiev anymore. Many people including women make more money than Americans while having less expenses.
Women watch TV/MTV/other crap, many have Internet access. Not good for you(us). Also in some places the fact that you are American may not help as much as it used to be 20 years ago. Of course you still have chances, but not as good as before.
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[QUOTE=Jon32]All kidding aside, if you have the means could you pick up and move somewhere for 6 months? A year? Are you settled in your job? USA is prison to the max, and the country I wouldnt live in if you paid me. If I had no choice I'd be leaving every chance I got. (USA born and raised here).
The worst part about your post is you are in your mid 30's!! I'm probably just a bit younger than you are, but mid 30's in any other place is considered young! Only in USA is this age considered over the hill and getting dirty looks. I was in my early 30's and dating an 18 year old outside USA! Her father was your age and dating a 19 year old.
That's just half of it for me though, there is a ton of other bullshit that goes on in the USA that I can't stand also.[/QUOTE]
I believe the two biggest problems with the USA are the "entitlement attitude" that so many of us have, and the "if you aren't perfect you ain't $#!+" attitude that so many AWs take. Of the two, it's the "AW attitude" that grates most on my nerves.
I can't say I hold myself aloof from entitlements. I worked 36 years in the Federal civil service, and retired when I was eligible; I gladly accept my pension and health benefits, and I'm taking pleasure in my retired life. But I believe I can substantiate my claim that I earned it. What worries me is the legion of people who "didn't serve, but still deserve," and my fear that the USA will go broke trying to deliver on their strident claims.
But that doesn't get me near as much as the AW attitude, that stomps through life with such overweening self-importance; that responds to a smile with a scowl; that insists on "equal rights" PLUS "special priviliges because I'm a woman"; and (as I said above) shows nothing but contempt for any man who doesn't "ring all her bells" and meet with the envious approval of her girlish clique. Like the "girl" Gentleman Travel spotted on Craigslist, looking for a "sugar daddy" and displaying far more vinegar than honey.
Fortunately, we on ISG are aware that we don't have to settle for such. We can still travel to other lands, where we can get "the sweetness we've been crying for" without all that AW baggage. We still have our risks to face, yes, but that bargirl in Pattaya or Angeles City or Sosua or wherever isn't going to get you fired for sexual harassment if you get too snuggly with her.
(Hmm. That almosts sounds wise enough for a "senior member!")
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As far as high standards, Colombian women have WAY higher standards than AW in every conceivable area EXCEPT money and age.