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[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]If I asked an Australian aborigine I think he'd say something quite different. Its easy to speak about everything being so tolerant when you're from the ruling majority. But I've seen news reports of Indians protesting about racism there against them. So it appears what you mean to say is Australia is tolerant if you have WHITE skin. Just because your racist don't have a group name doesn't mean racism doesn't exist. Its just so wide spread it doesn't warrant needing a group.[/QUOTE]
Give me a break about the attacks on Indians. The loony bullshit Indian media exaggerated the whole thing, claiming there were 1500 attacks on Indians in 2009, there were really only 100, and they were pretty much muggings and robberies. In Australia there is crime, and a lot of these students had the stupidity to work during odd hours or in some dodgy parts of town and ran into the local rif raff. There is even a video of an Indian being beaten up on youtube and several of the assailants were Asian and one even looked Indian, they took his ipod, and 650 dollars in cash. The moron Indian media blew the whole thing out of proportion it was a robbery and it could not have been racial since several of the attackers were clearly not white one looked Asian the other had a dark complexion. What moron runs around during night time with over 600 bucks in cash?? You don't think crimes like this happen in America?? They do but the media doesn't care because its too common.
In America there are shitloads of racial violence, and the KKK and NeoNazis have considerable membership. Neo Nazis even marched through Phoenix Arizona a while back. Indians also get attacked in America and sometimes because people think they are Arab. Many times Indians work in cash businesses and wind up the target of crime. If you think America is a racial paradise, look up Joe Arpaio, the minutemen, and Henry Louis Gates, also Jena 6. Australia in comparison is a lot more peaceful.
Some of the worst racism and violence in both Australia and the US does not even involve whites and minorities but minorities against other minorities. Look at hispanics and blacks in most US cities. One of my friends in the US is a teacher in a big US city and says her school suffers from a lot of racial violence and its particularly bad between the hispanic and the black population. She also says other groups get picked on as well such as Asians and Arabs. What has happened in Melbourne is very similar to what occurs in inner city America, inter ethnic violence and tension.
Most of these Indians were being robbed in addition to being bashed and from the names of the arrested, it looks like other ethnic groups were picking on them. One of the biggest cases involved a group of Somalis bashing an Indian, another involved Lebanese Muslims. Its mostly ethnic gangs who see Indians as an easy target and its more the case since almost all these crimes occurred during odd hours.
I actually work out with an African American at a gym in Sydney, he loves it here and even with Obama as President is not convinced that America is changing for the better in any way. Also he happens to be a Muslim and makes it known to everyone he meets including myself, he was hiding that in the US. He also has plenty of girlfriends and is enjoying life down under. He doesn't hide the fact that he is a Muslim in Australia but he admitted that he hid his beliefs in post 9-11 America.
Indians sure are welcome in the good ole US of A:
[url]http://pluralism.org/news/view/13991[/url]
The above occurred in the most "liberal" metro of America.
Spanish speaking people in America not racist?? Fuck no!!! Look at Cubans in Miami, absolutely the most racist arrogant people on Earth. Even saw a Cuban hit a homeless black man with a broom. And that kind of racism was touched on a bit in Bad Boys films.
Latin America a racial paradise? Are you fucking kidding me!!! The favelas of Brazil are in my dreams only??? And all the lighter complexioned Brazilians in their nice apartment towers and BMWs are also fake??!! Even the social order in Latin America is based on skin color.
In my own arrogant opinion
Australia >>>>> US and A
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Here's a simple yes or no question and I hope you'll answer truthfully. Do you think an Aborigine can ever become Prime Minister of Australia?
[QUOTE=Australiasucks]Give me a break about the attacks on Indians. The loony bullshit Indian media exaggerated the whole thing, claiming there were 1500 attacks on Indians in 2009, there were really only 100, and they were pretty much muggings and robberies. In Australia there is crime, and a lot of these students had the stupidity to work during odd hours or in some dodgy parts of town and ran into the local rif raff. There is even a video of an Indian being beaten up on youtube and several of the assailants were Asian and one even looked Indian, they took his ipod, and 650 dollars in cash. The moron Indian media blew the whole thing out of proportion it was a robbery and it could not have been racial since several of the attackers were clearly not white one looked Asian the other had a dark complexion. What moron runs around during night time with over 600 bucks in cash?? You don't think crimes like this happen in America?? They do but the media doesn't care because its too common.
In America there are shitloads of racial violence, and the KKK and NeoNazis have considerable membership. Neo Nazis even marched through Phoenix Arizona a while back. Indians also get attacked in America and sometimes because people think they are Arab. Many times Indians work in cash businesses and wind up the target of crime. If you think America is a racial paradise, look up Joe Arpaio, the minutemen, and Henry Louis Gates, also Jena 6. Australia in comparison is a lot more peaceful.
Some of the worst racism and violence in both Australia and the US does not even involve whites and minorities but minorities against other minorities. Look at hispanics and blacks in most US cities. One of my friends in the US is a teacher in a big US city and says her school suffers from a lot of racial violence and its particularly bad between the hispanic and the black population. She also says other groups get picked on as well such as Asians and Arabs. What has happened in Melbourne is very similar to what occurs in inner city America, inter ethnic violence and tension.
Most of these Indians were being robbed in addition to being bashed and from the names of the arrested, it looks like other ethnic groups were picking on them. One of the biggest cases involved a group of Somalis bashing an Indian, another involved Lebanese Muslims. Its mostly ethnic gangs who see Indians as an easy target and its more the case since almost all these crimes occurred during odd hours.
I actually work out with an African American at a gym in Sydney, he loves it here and even with Obama as President is not convinced that America is changing for the better in any way. Also he happens to be a Muslim and makes it known to everyone he meets including myself, he was hiding that in the US. He also has plenty of girlfriends and is enjoying life down under. He doesn't hide the fact that he is a Muslim in Australia but he admitted that he hid his beliefs in post 9-11 America.
Indians sure are welcome in the good ole US of A:
[url]http://pluralism.org/news/view/13991[/url]
The above occurred in the most "liberal" metro of America.
Spanish speaking people in America not racist?? Fuck no!!! Look at Cubans in Miami, absolutely the most racist arrogant people on Earth. Even saw a Cuban hit a homeless black man with a broom. And that kind of racism was touched on a bit in Bad Boys films.
Latin America a racial paradise? Are you fucking kidding me!!! The favelas of Brazil are in my dreams only??? And all the lighter complexioned Brazilians in their nice apartment towers and BMWs are also fake??!! Even the social order in Latin America is based on skin color.
In my own arrogant opinion
Australia >>>>> US and A[/QUOTE]
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You totally didn't read my post!
What I said was they would PREFER to dodge bullets IN THEIR COUNTRY where the crime is HIGHER than in the US, but there are other benefits that more than make up for it!!!! }
These days with the US Economy in the shitter I will bet you there are more immigrants LEAVING than staying. One thing you will hear over and over in NY and other cities in the US in Spanish, Igbo, Hindi, Fujian, Russian, Arab etc. "My friend, this country is ONLY GOOD FOR MONEY!!!"
[QUOTE=Clandestine782]This sounds like something I have heard before. I get this line from Chinese people all the time (before they know that I can understand Chinese). It is usually something like (in reference to something that has been reported on the news or some topic that comes up in office discussion): "Oh, that person does not speak Chinese, so he cannot possibly understand." And if you do understand Chinese, then there will be complaints that you don't understand it well enough for the argument at hand. (Nevermind that when I am on different conversation jobs, I listen to the argument that is being made and not the grammar.) Long story short: Nice try, but I have already heard that argument and it didn't work then.
If they go back to where they come from, that is fine with me. I live here in China and I take the same buses as Chinese people and eat the same food and speak to them in their language. (I NEVER begin any conversation anywhere in English. If someone speaks to me in English, then I answer them in Chinese and we each speak our second language for the duration of the conversation.) But I can't say that our Spaniophone population gives English speaking people the same courtesy. Mexicans/ Cubans are more guilty of revanchism/ irredentism than anyone else that I've ever seen.
Since they live in their own little world in the States, if they are likely to get shot at, isn't it by one of their own kind? And in that case, couldn't they have the same experience wherever they came from? How is it different if it happens in the United States?[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Capt Ajax]Here's a simple yes or no question and I hope you'll answer truthfully. Do you think an Aborigine can ever become Prime Minister of Australia?[/QUOTE]
Aborginals do not want much to do with modern Australia. I think its possible that an Aborigine could become PM but I really think its the East Asians that are gaining the power and influence in Australia. Their way of life is very different from most people. I going to bet big money that Australia will become a colony of China in another 20 years, our economy depends upon Asia. Without trade with China, Japan, Korea, India, and other growing regions, Australia will starve. There was a big thing on the news last year about a CIA report that said that the US will lose a substantial amount of its influence in Asia Pacific, that is why Australia right now is aggressively trying to portray itself as part of Asia. The APEC meetings in Sydney have a habit of snarling up traffic.
When you look at Obama, degrees from 2 Ivy League universities, went to a very elite private school in Hawaii. Raised by a white mother and grandparents, do you really think he has much in common with most African Americans? Its also a well known fact that Obama was mostly dating white women before he met his wife. My mate in Sydney who is African American even thought this about Obama, he thought Obama was largely some kind of front for the NWO after 8 years of Bush.
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[QUOTE=Capt Ajax]Here's a simple yes or no question and I hope you'll answer truthfully. Do you think an Aborigine can ever become Prime Minister of Australia?[/QUOTE]
No. And I don't think a woman will ever become Prime Minister, either.
But I think that has more to do with our political system and voter demographics than racism or sexism. It's compulsory to vote in Australia and a huge percentage of our voting population is over 50. They vote for (what they perceive to be) stability ...male, white, educated, older.
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You forgot to mention Australian democracy is largely a joke, not as bad as American democracy though, with the current demographic changes. An aging European population and a young, fertile, and rapidly growing Asian population, Australia will be de facto Asian, it is simply a question of when. Ever been to the Sydney CBD lately? Kevin Rudd is a big time Chinese bootlicker, hence the "Mandarin" in his name.
The mainstream Aussie media loves Obama and Rudd as well. Rudd as referred to as Australia's global PM. I think globalism is a joke and way to bring the first world on the same level as the third world by destroying the middle class in the West. However in the wake of the continuing malfeasance on Wall Street, many in America are realizing Obama is nothing more than a puppet.
I will be amazed if Australia remains a democracy for much longer. Also have doubts on its survival in the US and Europe.
NYC Expat is certainly right that a Nazi movement exists in Europe, if the current global economy deteriorates more extremists will be popular. Australia will have a different fate, that of serving larger Asian nations. Australia is a minnow in a sea of giants.
A woman PM is not out of the question. Julia Gillard has potential.
As far as Nazis are concerned, I have been hearing about Karl Theodor Zu Guttenberg who is becoming extremely popular in Germany, and a few people I know think he might the next person to watch in European politics. Some Christians even think he fits the profile of the anti-Christ, he bases himself on charisma, something not seen in German politics since you know who.
[url]http://www.bild.de/BILD/news/bild-english/PICTURES/news/2009/12/2009-12-04-minister-guttenberg-kunduz-air-strike-bomb/guttenberg-14218215-mfbq,templateId=renderScaled,property=Bild,height=349.jpg[/url]
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[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]****Quote:Originally Posted by Goga Fung
How do you know what everybody thinks? People come to america mostly because of the belief and Hollywood propaganda they can earn money and the power of the dollar. If dollar collapses (I hope not) nobody will give a shit about America. Also since so many "shitty" jobs available, many losers come to america since they can't make it at home. Also ugly girls who can't compete at home feel in america much better.
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Man the best of the best around the world come to america. Because until you've made it in America. You really haven't made it. Period. Gong Fung sounds like you're Chinese, look at Gong Li. Even with a billion Chinese. She wanted to make it in Hollywood. Same as Jackie Chan. Europe's best where do they go to make it. Aussie's Mel Gibson. Crocdille dundee dude. Singers. Because Its the shit, so if they are coming. All the beautiful woman who Think they are going to make it come too. YOUR beauties come to LA and NY thinking they going to make it. And who do you think gets that potane. Thats right AM like me.[/QUOTE]What have not made I in America? If its about money, then I made way more than average American. But I'm not talking about myself, I'm talking about the majority including millions of immigrants who have shitty jobs, live in shithole ghettos and/or who receive welfare. Many of them love America because they get free stuff here which is not available for them at home.
You mentioned some celebrtities, but it's only few people who can make it.
Do you know that in other countries people also make money. For example Roman Abramovich, etc.. They made it(billions $) in Russia. Does it mean now you want to move to Russia?
>>Gong Fung sounds like you're Chinese
Wow, that's interesting, never been to china, don't have any relatives from there, and don't know a word in chinese:)
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Bet BIG money here also.
[quote=australiasucks]i going to bet big money that australia will become a colony of china in another 20 years, [/quote]
20 years ago there were just a few thousand 3rd world immigrants in eec. now there are millions thanks to eec politicians and the red cross allowing the open door policy for almost any 3rd world person to enter and obtain permanent residency. most of euro land has become a suburb of addis ababa, beirut, istanbul, islamabad, baghdad etc. unfortunately many were and still are committing crimes, killings f.ex. their own daughters for family honor, their own son in-laws (first castration, then beheading), circumcising their daughters, salman rushdie life threatened, killing of a dutch film maker (family of van gogh) knived to death on the street by a muslim riding a moped. he exposed the insanities against muslim women. boys gang [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125][CodeWord125][/url] teenage girls and more.
i told my danish friends denmark will cease to exist in 30-50 yrs. with a re-naming to denmarkistan. it is their ultimate goal to overtake the european continent. they have already infiltrated much of society. many are law bidding citizens but many are tribal low class, uneducated, not interested to learn a second language. they meet to listen to anti-western life style, militant clerics provoking violence. not all, but a high percentage do.
some of you living in the u.s.a. do not notice them in your daily life because they try to blend in with clothing, especially men in some areas. if you travel to any european city, you will notice them within a few minutes in the airport’s terminal. some euro neighborhoods have been completely overtaken; you’ll think you were in the middle east. i'm sure that's also true in n.y. and elsewhere.
this is off topic of am, but some recent statements by members require correction from my experiences in europe, colombia, brazil and morocco.
btw, pakistani-danish girls are hot in their one colored robes down to their ankles wearing open toe stilleto heels. can you believe their religion. fully covered but footwear can be as sexy as desired. caution approaching these girls as her brothers, uncles, father and all male family members can provide you with a one way ticket to a destination you never requested.
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[QUOTE=Australiasucks]
DJ sounds unhappy in America from his post but does not realize only North of the border he has a different world that would await him. Canada is like America minus the bullshit.[/QUOTE]
Of course I know about Canada, I've been to Canada, have I mention strip clubs in Canada? :)
I'm looking at ALL my options and I would tend to agree with you.
Vancouver would be my top choice, and Canada is not Utopia either, they tend to treat the "have nots" a bit better but there are some housing issues in Vancouver - [url]http://www.democracynow.org/2010/2/15/vancouver_community_activist_am_johal_condemns[/url]
Its all jumbled now, I'll know more March 11th and I'll know even more before the summertime about which direction I end up going.
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[QUOTE=Jon32]Have to agree with NYC here. I also have lived in both places (america/europe). Lived in the carribean also where some islands are almost all black.
Just check out the news of what's going on in Switzerland with the Muslims. Look at the neo-nazi's in Germany & Austria. Africans in Spain and Italy are the bottom of the bottom. The spanish are racist towards the immigrants from south america. People I know in Portugal think everyone from Brazil is a puta. There's a hell of a lot more integration in USA then here.
Living somewhere and visiting or reading about it are two totally different things. You mention just about every country in the world, yeah there's racism everywhere.
I can go on a vacation in Cuba for a week, stay in a 5star hotel on a beautiful beach with great food. Never seeing the rest of the island and know that people can only use water at certain times the government allows them or see people leaving in extreme poverty. Then I can go back home and say "Wow, Cuba was great! Seemed like a great country to me!"[/QUOTE]
Yep especially about the Neo-Nazi's in Germany and Austria, however Germany (not sure about Austria) has basically a zero tolerance policy about Neo-Nazi's and come down on them like a ton of bricks.
The Swiss are basically having the same discussion The Netherlands are about Burkas and such. This non-sense about the food and Muslim women only Gyms is a bit over the top, but hey if they wanna allow it....
There are certain levels of racism in very country. But as my boy Sam Smith says "Black Men Catch Hell In The United States" and if you look at any social or economic data he's right and to add insult to injury Black Women like to blame us for everything that's wrong in the Black Community.
As KRS-One once said "So In The Fuck Am I Suppose To Do?"
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[QUOTE=Australiasucks]When you look at Obama, degrees from 2 Ivy League universities, went to a very elite private school in Hawaii. Raised by a white mother and grandparents, do you really think he has much in common with most African Americans? Its also a well known fact that Obama was mostly dating white women before he met his wife. My mate in Sydney who is African American even thought this about Obama, he thought Obama was largely some kind of front for the NWO after 8 years of Bush.[/QUOTE]So what you're saying is that there are no educated African Americans in america. If he was dating white women its because thats whats most available in a white Ivory league school. He certainly hung around Blacks when he left those Ivory league schools and went to Chicago. So HE must have felt like he belonged with that community. He could have easily go jobs at Elite law firms. No he worked as a civil rights lawyer. Helping BLACK people. Also as a community organizer helping BLACK people. You and your friend are over in Australia. And only saw what the news wanted you to C. But the African American community of America knew of Obama and his work in Chicago. A black man dating white women doesn't mean he can't be an Advocate for Black people. There are quite a few you fall into that category some who have even married White women but still champion Black causes. Julian Bond. Head of the NAACP was married to a white woman.
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]You may speak a few words of Spanish, but try actually making friends with Spanish speakers in your home town, and GAIN THEIR TRUST; THEN ask them what they think of your "paradise" country. They will tell you about problems with the police, the shit food, the total lack of social integration, the lousy education system etc. They will almost TO A PERSON tell you they wish they were back in their home country.
50% of all immigrants that land in the USA actually DO go back in 5 years or less. The necessity of dodging the odd bullet or the risk of losing your cellphone to pickpockets notwithstanding.[/QUOTE]Again you assume quite a bit. I have many latino friends. I have lived among latinos my entire life. I have latino neighboors. Are there some who get disgusted with america. Sure but more love it then leave it. And there are still plenty breakin risking their lives to get here everyday. Hundreds daily. You can probably count the number on your hands that voluntarily leave. Sure they come for the money. But once they get here. They stay. They realize the opportunities, while it might be dangerous in parts it much safer than their countries, and they soon assiimulate and enjoy the fruits of America.
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[quote=nyc expat]20 years ago there were just a few thousand 3rd world immigrants in eec. now there are millions thanks to eec politicians and the red cross allowing the open door policy for almost any 3rd world person to enter and obtain permanent residency. most of euro land has become a suburb of addis ababa, beirut, istanbul, islamabad, baghdad etc. unfortunately many were and still are committing crimes, killings f.ex. their own daughters for family honor, their own son in-laws (first castration, then beheading), circumcising their daughters, salman rushdie life threatened, killing of a dutch film maker (family of van gogh) knived to death on the street by a muslim riding a moped. he exposed the insanities against muslim women. boys gang [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125][CodeWord125][/url] teenage girls and more.
i told my danish friends denmark will cease to exist in 30-50 yrs. with a re-naming to denmarkistan. it is their ultimate goal to overtake the european continent. they have already infiltrated much of society. many are law bidding citizens but many are tribal low class, uneducated, not interested to learn a second language. they meet to listen to anti-western life style, militant clerics provoking violence. not all, but a high percentage do.
some of you living in the u.s.a. do not notice them in your daily life because they try to blend in with clothing, especially men in some areas. if you travel to any european city, you will notice them within a few minutes in the airport’s terminal. some euro neighborhoods have been completely overtaken; you’ll think you were in the middle east. i'm sure that's also true in n.y. and elsewhere.
this is off topic of am, but some recent statements by members require correction from my experiences in europe, colombia, brazil and morocco.
btw, pakistani-danish girls are hot in their one colored robes down to their ankles wearing open toe stilleto heels. can you believe their religion. fully covered but footwear can be as sexy as desired. caution approaching these girls as her brothers, uncles, father and all male family members can provide you with a one way ticket to a destination you never requested.[/quote]
damn that's fucking nuts. will be crazy to see what happens when we're outnumbered.
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Racism topic???
What does racism in, (fill in the country of choice), have to do with American women. We have gotten off the topic.
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[QUOTE=Viva Chicas]What does racism in, (fill in the country of choice), have to do with American women. We have gotten off the topic.[/QUOTE]
Because there's only a limited number of times you can moan about fat arses and money-grubbing before it becomes as boring as batshit? And because at least a third of these posters are not American, another third are ex-pats and a significant number are not white. Knowledge of immigration policy and local racism is important to people wanting to travel/move to other countries to FIND WOMEN.