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[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]If you've got all of those why are you dating a chick for MONTHS and not getting anywhere?
But it's irrelevant, perhaps you are living in a place where the social dynamics are considerably worse than what I experienced. I also agree that pursuing women overseas is a most satisfying and rather easy (albeit ultimately expensive) hobby.
I also however contend that the state of the American female is not AS bad as it often is suggested here.
They aren't ALL hyperfat, unkempt, sniveling biaches that only want to screw your pocketbook.
None of you guys have sisters?! Mine's smoking hot and neither a biach nor a plotting money-hungry ho. Then again, not only I but the rest of the family would be on her ass if she decided dating a complete loser was for her. People... especially women IMO... look to at least maintain their social class when dating. You can't control who you fall in love with but you certainly can control the circumstances in which your dating takes place.
There does seem to be a dating/mating imbalance in the US however, even though I've heard other nations complain about their own women being inferior as well.[/QUOTE]
My sister isn't cute and [i]is[/i] fat. That might be horrible to say but its the truth and has its legacy embedded in our typical American household which includes Divorce.
She is SMART however, but men tend to overlook that, don't we.. She's going to St John's on scholarship.
I won the battle of "wills" between my mother and me and well you see the result, not ideal. It could be worst, I could be a career criminal, I mean I'm a Black Man in America is anything else expected of me? lol
The Grass is Greener factor plays out interestingly doesn't it?
We complain, we venture overseas, its paradise...
They complain, venture to America, its paradise....
Its BACKWARDS!
It just means opposites attract more often that one would think. American women like men tend to be outgoing, boisterous, yet conservative sexually (at least in public) and less family oriented (to a point). For young Europeans, this is IDEAL, where European women tend to want to date based on long term goals more often than just having a good time while it last.
As you push further east, while changing daily, that's still the usual case.
Also there's the value of Sex. As you know Sex is basically a CRIME against humanity in America. So women tend to set up test and requirements before giving up the pussy. I thought this was dating not an interview for employment. You have to meet certain social requirements, I get that, but in social environments like nightclubs/bars, is this really necessary?
The only requirement should be -
1) Is he decent looking, even sexy in low light and in good light
2) Does he have the gift of gab, can he make the short time he's with you interesting
If you pass those test, in Europe your fucking, in America, you get a phone number. If you add alcohol to the mix, then the chances of you fucking an American women goes up by about 50%, in Europe is increases to about 90%.
That's your social imbalance.... (if we are talking about dating of course)
It takes min. ONE date to get laid in America, it usually 3-5.
I haven't actually dated anybody in Europe so I have no first hand experience but plenty of second hand information and if I'm wrong please set me straight.
Location, Location, Location!
Being WHO I am, using my ISG social intelligence to its maximum. If I venture into a German town with a nightlife that involves a US Military Installation as its main patrons, then a typical night there might be abnormal compared to what happens ANYWHERE in America and the factors I listed are the ONLY factors involved.
This wouldn't happen as easily in America and we all know this.
There is hardly any separation of sexual encounters from dating in America, they are intertwined.
Only as women get older, in social environments this changes SLIGHTLY and becomes more like what I said above.
I happen to be one of many Americans that think women between 30-40 with no children and unmarried, there is usually a reason and its not good. Depending on what your goals are, if they desire not to have children, this puts them at odds with the desires of most men from Western culture. If they have children from a previous relationship, they are looked at as "damaged goods". I don't have a problem with MILF's but its not ideal and as long as I think its not ideal, I'll keep down this expensive path you just mentioned as the end result will mean more social security for me in the long run.
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[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]I also don't see it as a problem and what someone is doing in life says something about them. Neither is it just about money. For example in my experience women adore men who are passionate about something and have drive to reach a goal, any goal really.[/QUOTE]
I totally agree but when you work in the service sector, umm many write you off as not goal oriented... Without asking of course...
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The Right To Choose....
[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]Awww c'mon now...in every second post on this thread, someone asks why he should have to settle for ugly/fat/older women! Beauty is coveted by both men and women.
It depends on what sort of relationship you're looking for, too. If we're talking marriage, I'd much rather be with a nice guy who looks like a troll than a hottie who treats me like crap. But if we're talking casual pickups from bars...of course I'm gonna choose the gorgeous playboy! And if you guys had to choose between a cuddly but interesting 30-something and a stunning but vacuous 20-something, you'd do exactly the same thing.[/QUOTE]
Yes RN you are absolutely right. I wasn't complaining just stating, we all have the right to choose. I have a co-worker who is about 6'2 and 340 pounds. So you can pretty much guess he has a hard time getting women. Sometime he confides in me about his social struggles. I try to get him in the gym he is not consistent but he tries some time.
This morning while speaking about the dating pool where we are now American soldiers, OGNs (Other Government Organizations) etc… He said women always judge him about his appearance I simply told him Western Women like attractive men. He said yeah but you have a gorgeous girlfriend. I told him she is an Asian born and raised in Asia. In that part of the world a man with a good job is valued not so much good looks….
I used to harbor anger towards the women of my country but now I realize they have the right to choose and so do I its that simple. The good Doctor is right again also about the fact no country on earth has such a wide and beautiful selection of women other then the USA.
[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]I don't get the problem with asking what people do for work. In my experience it's always asked within the first few minutes of meeting, by [i]both[/i] parties. It's one of those questions that a) tell you more about the person you've just met (their passions, their skills, their lifestyle)........[/QUOTE]
Stop right there... I don't think a person's career choice tells you anything about them. If a person is WG, Doctor or a Department of Defense worker like myself I can’t tell you anything about either of those people other then that it is the life that they chose or in my case the life the that chose me.
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[QUOTE=Daddy Warbucks 1]
Stop right there... I don't think a person's career choice tells you anything about them. If a person is WG, Doctor or a Department of Defense worker like myself I can’t tell you anything about either of those people other then that it is the life that they chose or in my case the life the that chose me.[/QUOTE]
Yep just because you work for the Dept of Defence doesn't mean you support the War, Bush Policies or even a War Monger. Its a government job that has job security unlike the private sector now which boarders on anarchy, unless the government shuts down (possible but unlikely) you'll always have a job and more than likely retire from that same job.
I'm always told I'm way too smart to be working at an auto parts counter and they are right, I just haven't found my place in the world yet....
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[QUOTE=Daddy Warbucks 1]Stop right there... I don't think a person's career choice tells you anything about them. If a person is WG, Doctor or a Department of Defense worker like myself I can’t tell you anything about either of those people other then that it is the life that they chose or in my case the life the that chose me.[/QUOTE]
I didn't mean making an instant judgement on character based on their occupation - I'm the LAST person to want that to happen!
Sometimes it can reveal a specific passion or talent or skill, say if they're an artist, or a dive instructor, or in a caring/helping profession. Sometimes it gives you a bigger-picture view of their lifestyle, like doctors/police usually work long hours and are often on call, or oil riggers/defence contractors may spend extended periods out of the country (important information to have if you're considering dating someone). And other times it's just a conversation starter that [i]leads[/i] to more personal information, like the guy who says he's working at Kmart while he completes his first novel, then goes on to tell me about his passion for writing. If I asked *you* about your job and you told me it 'chose you', my next question would be "What would you rather be doing?" I just find occupation to be an unobtrusive way of getting people talking about themselves.
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Folks check out this ad on Craigslist, it shows you just how demented and fucked up some American Women really are. She's amazed by all the responses she has received from the many desperate American men. Note she says, she has received many calls but has yet to meet anyone she likes.
It is my opinion, this woman has been recently involved in a nasty breakup with a husband or boyfriend and was probably chucked overboard for a much younger more attractive woman. So, to satisfy her hurt feelings, she places this ad to juice up her badly damaged ego.
America is the only country, I know of, where women have this much power over men.
[QUOTE]THE VERY SEXY LEOPARDESS - w4m - 50 (Gainesville, GA)
Reply to: [email]pers-782178013@craigslist.org[/email]
Eagerly she stalks her prey, her long blond hair falling down about her shoulders.
Her grey eyes are smoldering with passion, and her ivory haunches are quivering with desire.
Wet and nasty are her moves as she wants to slide her tight, pink cavern down on a hard, mobile rod.
It's tip rises up to greet her and she explodes in ecstasy, time after time, until the man below her is satiated, as are her own carnal lusts.
Do you care to join?
Follow me, and I will lead you to my den of passion and eroticy. Let's join one another, and satisfy our needs. There are no strings attached, just rich, ecstatic joy! Wanting hard, throbbing dicks that are up to the task...
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an addendum:
Dear Gentlemen: I had absolutely no idea this ad would attract such a following. There's no way, gents, I can get to all your calls. I've ended up having to go to “voice mail only”. Why, there are 2 phone calls beeping in while I'm talking to the one! I'm very choosy who I see however, and have yet to meet my very first gentleman. I can hardly wait!
Know that, if you don't leave a number, you're not going to get a call back. I will not screen caller ID, and take the risk of ending up talking to a spouse, etc. Do not call until 10am as I am a writer and need time to work on my screenplays, novels, and children's book. THIS MONDAY ONLY I WILL ACCEPT CALLS FROM 7AM ONWARDS. USUALLY, PLEASE ONLY CALL BETWEEN 10AM-6/7PM WEEKDAYS AND 9AM-9PM ON WEEKENDS. I usually will not accept a call any other hours. I must write! Again, leave a NAME & NUMBER (and any special hours you would need me to call). Thank you so much for all your wonderful responses! I'll look forward to meeting my very first gentleman. (678) 513-0791 10AM-6/7PM ON WEEKDAYS; 9AM-9PM ON WEEKENDS [/QUOTE]
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I have two sisters, both of whom are very bright. The older one is not cute, has a penchant for loser men, is dead broke even though she makes over $100k a year, and once told me she had never had a man go down on her, which was too much information.
The other one was cute when she younger and has big tits but she is a complete ***** who has her husband's balls totally twisted into a knot, and she's let herself go completely: fat, dresses in schmatas, etc.
Both of them are workaholics. Whereas, my brother retired at 42 and I just work seven months a year. Not sure how that happened. My younger sister has so much money that if I had her money I would throw my money away but all she cares about is piling up more. Maybe that is why my nephew is doing 20 years in Huntsville for violence against women.
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[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]If you've got all of those why are you dating a chick for MONTHS and not getting anywhere?
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I have no idea! It is a puzzle for me. I think one of the problems could be that once they know what I do (such as travel, etc..) they realize that they won't be able to have a total control over me(I have noticed that women in America like to have control and kick their man ass), and they realize that I have fun when travel. So they do not wanna deal with me, since I'm not going to kiss their ass all the time.
On the other hand, my girlfriends from other countries realize that I hang out with other girls, and they do not have a problem with that. Of course they do not like that, but they accept this.
Another problem could be that while I am becoming older I still like younger girls. But In America women tend to like man of the same age or even younger. Opposite to what is customary in other countries. I can hardly find an attractive enough woman of my age (30's). Those chicks also are too "serious", have a lot of stupid goals, career, etc.. so my life style is not compatible with them.
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]
But it's irrelevant, perhaps you are living in a place where the social dynamics are considerably worse than what I experienced. I also agree that pursuing women overseas is a most satisfying and rather easy (albeit ultimately expensive) hobby.
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Yes, you are right. The place where I live is pretty messed up. It is very far from the best what USA can offer. Although here is one big University, which does not help much, except there are foreign girls, whom you can easily approach, at the very least they are gonna smile and be friendly, while many Americans may give you very mean look, like what the fuck do you want, I'm here with friends, etc...
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]
I also however contend that the state of the American female is not AS bad as it often is suggested here.
They aren't ALL hyperfat, unkempt, sniveling biaches that only want to screw your pocketbook.
There does seem to be a dating/mating imbalance in the US however, even though I've heard other nations complain about their own women being inferior as well.[/QUOTE]
Of course there are some nice American women (I really hope:)
But to make it simple to decide which women are better, simply ask:
- How many desperate Latin men are coming to the USA to find an American wifie or GF?
- How many Russian men complain that Russian women are bad, ugly, etc.., so then need to look for a wife in the USA or Western Europe?
- How many Asian men complain that Asian women do not make a good wife, so they are dreaming of an American woman?
BTW, all those men are really proud of their women. Virtually all them believe that their women are the best.
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[QUOTE=Goga Fung]- How many Asian men complain that Asian women do not make a good wife, so they are dreaming of an American woman?[/QUOTE]
None complain that American women make better wives that Asian women. Many complain that local women are not 'available' enough for local men and they have to go to other Asian countries to look for wives.
Lower income Japanese regularly use marriage agencies to find Filipino wives. Many South Korean men try to find Chinese wives. An article I read explained that it has to do with social class and family ties. Women from middle class and upper class families MUST marry men from similar class/family backgrounds. Due to the preference for sons over daughters, there is now a marked shortage of women available for lower class men.
Some Asian men like the 'look' of American/Western women, ie big breasts. Those men are looking for American wives.
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[QUOTE=Goga Fung]Of course there are some nice American women (I really hope:)
But to make it simple to decide which women are better, simply ask:
- How many desperate Latin men are coming to the USA to find an American wifie or GF?
- How many Russian men complain that Russian women are bad, ugly, etc.., so then need to look for a wife in the USA or Western Europe?
- How many Asian men complain that Asian women do not make a good wife, so they are dreaming of an American woman?
BTW, all those men are really proud of their women. Virtually all them believe that their women are the best.[/QUOTE]In my opinion its mainly a matter of economics, and in some cases, demographics. Western men want foreign women for the same reason that people in California hire Mexican gardeners. You can get more for less overseas. Everybody knows the story of the guy who couldn't get a girl to spit on him at home, but scores a sexy girlfriend overseas. And when it comes to prostitutes you can get the same service for far less overseas, with more girls available. Part of it is North America, Western Europe, etc. Are relatively well-off compared to many developing countries.
Another factor is demographics. North America, Europe and Japan all have low birthrates. Lots of aging people, not so many young people. And most men want young women. This means that there's a bunch of aging guys competing for the same young women. In many developing countries, on the other hand, like Philippines, for example, the population is mainly young. So there are far more young women available.
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[QUOTE=Goga Fung]
while I am becoming older I still like younger girls. But In America women tend to like man of the same age or even younger. Opposite to what is customary in other countries. I can hardly find an attractive enough woman of my age (30's). Those chicks also are too "serious", have a lot of stupid goals, career, etc.. so my life style is not compatible with them.
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I totally hear you buddy. A lot of us are in the same boat (ie. we still like 'em young, but the feeling sure as hell isn't mutual).
As far as "serious" goes, bullshit says I. Most of these so-called serious career women would drop and spread 'em in a heartbeat if they ever met the right guy. Or. at least, what they consider to be the right guy for them..... whatever the fuck that might be. I still haven't figured THAT one out.
What you need to do is decide whether you're in category A (prefer to pay for it) or are you in category B (you'd rather beg for it). Technically speaking, begging for it is free. But being in category A is much more empowering and here's why.
Paying for, and therefore getting access to, p*ssy means you are no longer dependent on your teaser kunt of a girlfriend for sex. Therefore you can tell her that "You feel like it's high time your relationship went to the next level". If she says some crap about not being ready, call her bluff. Tell her you're gonna go "explore your options" or something like that. You'll be able to say this with 100% confidence because (being in category A) you can get laid anytime you want. She'll see that you're serious and will either cave in and give you some action, or she'll tell you to take a hike. So you either start getting laid, or you just got rid of a little teaser that was never gonna put out anyways. Either way you win!
Rock
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[quote=goga fung]another problem could be that while i am becoming older i still like younger girls. but in america women tend to like man of the same age or even younger. opposite to what is customary in other countries. i can hardly find an attractive enough woman of my age (30's). those chicks also are too "serious", have a lot of stupid goals, career, etc.. so my life style is not compatible with them.
[/quote]that is my major issue with us women and to a certain degree european women as well. though not exclusively as women of all ages have certain qualities i find very appealing, i do also like young (18-22) girls for a lot of reasons.
of course there are cases of the older "experienced and interesting" guy and the younger girl in western cultures as well, but it is rare and still carries a social stigma with it in most parts of the us and europe.
contrarily, i can talk to an 18-year old in russia for example and get some jealous stares from the guys her age, but generally i am at least going to get some traction and not get blown out immediately. i've gotten plenty of action this way. the social stigma is less as well, or even non-existent. the "older" guy is however expected to carry some social clout with him, whether that be money or position. just being old isn't really fascinating in itself, even if the "life experience" factor does play out positively.
in the us and europe young (18-22) girls generally date exclusively within their peer group or at most, guys one age bracket up... say 20 year old girl with 27 year old guy. i don't receive a rude response when i (almost 40) chat up young girls in the us/europe, but i do often get a wtf kind of look. either they aren't used to it, are put off by it or simply confused. their peer group will generally be totally against it. some dynamic cities like ny or la will have more old guy/young girl dating, but this is not the norm for the us and most of this is seemingly in places supporting industries where girls are looking to fuck themselves up the social ladder fast.
attitudes towards seem to be changing in ee as well though, at least to a certain degree as young men in those countries gain in social status/money, i.e. future perspectives for the girls. nonetheless, it still offers me personally the best social atmosphere to correspond to my dating habits and tastes.
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[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]That is my major issue with US women and to a certain degree European women as well. Though not exclusively as women of all ages have certain qualities I find very appealing, I do also like young (18-22) girls for a lot of reasons.
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Doctor, I guess now you see what my problem is. Also once EE women come to the USA, in many cases they change and become similar to AW.
BTW, one day I was talking to some chicks in a mall, and the only one who was really considering to be my GF turned out to be 17. First I assumed she was 20-22 or something(she's already got chubby legs) but unfortunately she was younger. But the major issue, was - when she she asked my age and calculated the age difference, she was kinda in shock that I'm twice older than her. At least she reacted smiling, positive and was pleasantly surprised that such an old fart was interested in her. I guess her brain is not completely messed up yet, but she is on the way to become a real AW.
It's kinda messed up, here many girls look like they're kinda old (well over 20), but they are much younger in reality. one my Moscow GF is 25, but you would never think she is more than 20.
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gf you are right in that aw age very fast. this is due to many factors including eating lots of junk food, not exercising, hummers (not the good kind!) and their generally negative sour attitudes.
so true the stigma of older guy/younger girl in the us. in most parts of the world no one would bat an eye.
db609, it's not just demographics and economics (hiring a mexican gardener) that drives the desire in the us for foreign women; it's far more complex than that. feminism and religious conservatism has made the seeking of sex to be a crime. feminists and religious wackos have been successful in the stigmatizing of sex. you have the feminists equating all heterosexual acts as [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url], and the wackos urging young girls to make "chastity pledges" because their virginity is their most valuable asset. no wonder with this irrationally dehumanizing and psychotic puritanical environment guys are seeking wives/sex friends/p4p abroad.
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[QUOTE=Db609]In my opinion its mainly a matter of economics, and in some cases, demographics. Western men want foreign women for the same reason that people in California hire Mexican gardeners. You can get more for less overseas. Everybody knows the story of the guy who couldn't get a girl to spit on him at home, but scores a sexy girlfriend overseas. And when it comes to prostitutes you can get the same service for far less overseas, with more girls available. Part of it is North America, Western Europe, etc. Are relatively well-off compared to many developing countries.
Another factor is demographics. North America, Europe and Japan all have low birthrates. Lots of aging people, not so many young people. And most men want young women. This means that there's a bunch of aging guys competing for the same young women. In many developing countries, on the other hand, like Philippines, for example, the population is mainly young. So there are far more young women available.[/QUOTE]
Eh?
Low birthrates I agree with, but where I draw the line I do not go overseas because women in America won't pay attention to me. That's utter nonsense!
If I put any effort into it, I could have dates with countless local women many in their 30's, with children, which I do not find ideal at all having dated women with children before. Call it selfish if choose but I only want to be around MY children, not somebody else's child per say. Now if I married a single mother that's different and she brings much more to the table than just a low paying job, low education and constant drag on finances that could have been controlled like making your then boyfriend wear a condom...
Most of these women have NEVER BEEN MARRIED, they are not all products of DIVORCE.