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BL5,
You said the following:
we are born into our parents, we did not had any choice in selecting our parents
Then you asked:
Do we have a choice how we are born with a certain face and character. given a choice everyone on this planet earth would love to have godly manner's and looks.
Well, to answer the first I would agree with you. No one gets to choose their parents. To answer the second, I will say that part of how we look is genetic.
However, as we get older (past our childhood years) our choices in lifestyle have a great impact on how we look. I can use myself as an example. Thanks to my parents, I'm not the most handsome guy in the world. But, I watch what I eat, exercise regularly, don't drink excessively and don't smoke. The result? Now in my early 40's, I still look pretty good, and have lot's of energy for mongering adventures.
I've watched young girls go from early teens through to their 20's and on into their 30's. Lot's of these girls were stunningly beautiful at the age of 14 or 15....... only to run to fat by the time they turned 20. By the age of 30, smoking, alcohol, childbirth, lack of exercise and rampant weight gain had turned some of them into the unattractive creatues described by Tbird.
Could they have turned out otherwise? Maybe not, but probably they could have kept their looks a lot longer and a lot better than they did. Remember, we're just talking about looks too..... other things like manners, dress and attitude are completely under a woman's control.
Rock
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I think you guys may be missing the point a little bit. BL5 was pointing out that whether YOU find them attractive or not, those ugly, fat, nasty women are (obviously, coz they keep getting pregnant) LOVED by their men - just as there are a whole lot of fat, old, balding men out there being LOVED by their women.
You can't just assume that the husbands of these women are 'pussy-whipped' or that they were bullied/manipulated/conned into marrying them. Maybe these guys looked past the fat ass and whiny voice and saw a beautiful person inside? Maybe she used to be a sexy woman but has 'let herself go' since marrying, but he doesn't care coz she's a great wife and mother? Or maybe she's just a total fox in bed!
Remember: Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder. :)
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Or...
it could be that said husband doesn't see a way out and HAS to see wifey as a fox in order to see the best of a hopeless, bad situation. Yeah there are "Fatty chasers" and "bald-seeking" babes, so that would prove your point of the "eye of the beholder". If BL5 WANTS to find happiness in the arms of a greasy, ever widening, entitlement-seeking harpy who thinks that the sole purpose of HIS existence is to kowtow to HER, then let him be. Who are WE to intervene with our views on behalf of a MASOCHIST who has found his "happy niche"? I know what I like, and it ain't a demanding, slovenly "Queen" who feels comfy giving orders like a potentate, while not expecting to reciprocate in the least...
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well earned rep
I've been reading the AW forum for many years now. The vast majority of guys have expressed nothing but disdain, disrespect and contempt for AW. As an American guy who has met women on every continent except Antarctica and Australia (OK, RN, you've got me there), all I can say is that AW have EARNED their well deserved reputation. They are fat, greedy, obnoxious, rude, narcissistic and seem to be hell bent on looking like men. Honestly, I look at them at times and cannot ascertain what sex they are. Women from Paris, Prague, etc wouldn't dare come out in public looking like the majority of AW.
Tbird is right on in his views and assessment of AW. As many American guys know, if an AW happens to look nice and is fit, she will be atacked by other AW and referred to as "Barbie" and a type of sell-out to the "sisterhood." OK, I'm done. Sorry.
Paddy
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One other thing...
If you guys really want to incur the wrath of AW and provoke them WITHOUT exception, just tell them that you go overseas to meet Czech, Russian, Argentine, Dutch women, etc. Man, they almost have a seizure. They are sooo threatened it's almost comical. AW women have had a monopoly on sex and realtionships in our culture for a long, long time and they don't want competition of any kind. Hey, let's face it. AW have had a good thing going for a long time and they don't want to give it up.
Paddy
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Rock,
Dude, Agreed that 50 percent or more of our looks could be controlled and well maintained.
BUT, what if a women decides not to :). Is there any constitutional amendment in america that says, all women should be like play boy bunnies else they would be degraded to the level of animals.
Just Imagine the state of muslim women around the world, many of them are very beautiful but unfortunately, they aren't allowed to show their beauty, all thorugh life they are cursed in "black burkha" by the male chauvanist of their soceity.
Are we any different, thank god we are still a democracy and freedom of expreesion is still relevant....If given a chance like the muslim nation....Men as we are power mongers...and going by the tone here..we would very well pass a law banning all frumpy, ugly women to be in burkha for ever.
On a different note, many would agree here that we always got a better service in hospitals, banks, hotels, institutions, front desk etc from women who are fat, uglier and frumpy compared to curvy and new age women.
They have better customer service and manners than our usual babe's in office, 'cos not many guys are after them and they tend to expect the world as it is and behave in a balenced way..on the other hand..the playboy bunny types have this attitude and hang over as if they just arrived from angelic planet :)
Rubber Nursey,
Yeah..I agree...LOVE is actually in a different plane totally irrespective of any looks and charecter.
When I was in my college, Our family friends used to visit our house, and looking at the wife's of some of them, made me think of uncle's as soo low, brain less, how can he get this deal etc etc..BUT as I left college, I had a
totally different view on relationships...now as I get older..I understand....what were the circumstances that led to the marriage.....It isn't always Looks..BUT most of the time compatibility.
JAK,
Even If I blame American people and American policies for the world problems...I do not wish to have the licence to kill If some one disagrees with me....I believe in Live and Let Live and also I do not believe in degrading women to the level of animal in which ever country they are born to...
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Born
I know that you are in India, and although you have similar problems with the local women, you don't understand the situation here. Women in the US effectively have many more rights and privleges than do men, and take great glee in holding them over our heads. Hence the frustration on this forum.
Please understand that being foreign, you don't have a grasp on the actual situation here. I assure you that no one could in the slightest way impede these 300 pound whales from doing anything that they want. Even guys who visit or live here for a time, don't get the full picture because they are to some degree (varies by country of origin) treated deferentially because they are exotic to American Women.
B9k
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[QUOTE=Born Loser 5]If given a chance like the muslim nation....Men as we are power mongers...and going by the tone here..we would very well pass a law banning all frumpy, ugly women to be in burkha for ever.[/QUOTE]
While not usually given to extremist ideas, I must admit that Born Loser has put forward a good case for the introduction of the burkha as a mandatory item for many AW. We men would be much happier in the pursuit of life, liberty and happiness if we didn't have to endure such loud ugly rude creatures. If their husbands find them beautiful then let them gaze upon their hideous faces and bodies in private. The rest of us should be spared the pain of seeing these Gorgons in public.
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Bart,
Yes, I'm from India..BUT I come and go to America quite often, for BPO related works very frequently and one of my main Job is to learn american culture and phyche to thrash our third world products into the first world nations :)
You can imagine, How hard work it is to do this the other way around ;) So I try to interact with as many people as possible ....
Trust me, I feel it how AW women treat the guys in America....I'm a victim too not only in America but also in India :(
I have come to a conclusion that due to rapid Globlization...women are acting in the same way more or less any where on the planet...
I have experienced increasing behavior from women here who acts like men ...NOT a cent of feminine quality...
I have come to America to start a new relation having got bruised and battered back home..BUT here too I got the same treatment not from women of the first grade....Im aware that a guy from third world country can only assume to get a women in the class of third or fourth level. I did not expect a fresh meat....YET....I was treated exactly the way I got treated back home....I had lost all my self respect and dignity across the continent :(
With that in mind, I can imagine, How you guys having being born in america gets treated by women folks...Its bad !! really...
AND that is the very reason, Im here in ISG....I love mongering, No commitments and No relations...Just money does the talking....
Having said all that...I felt that post was a total degradation of women as a whole....I have a very good relation with an escort how ever it may be for money..BUT I feel good when I go to her and she is ugly......Folks..For Lessar mortal...Man needs a Women...thats why this ISG is still around, inspite of how women and men treat each other....BUT we still need each other !!
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Chocha Monger,
Great Idea...We got to go with the majority..:)
I'm with you, Only if we agree that the first women to ever put burkha on american soil be the great feminine rightist "Oprah" :)
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[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]While not usually given to extremist ideas, I must admit that Born Loser has put forward a good case for the introduction of the burkha as a mandatory item for many AW. We men would be much happier in the pursuit of life, liberty and happiness if we didn't have to endure such loud ugly rude creatures. If their husbands find them beautiful then let them gaze upon their hideous faces and bodies in private. The rest of us should be spared the pain of seeing these Gorgons in public.[/QUOTE]
There is already a US style burkha. It is called a 'mumu'. I have seen many obese AWs wear them. Often they have a matching headscarf.
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recently, a hungarian guy who owns a townhouse blew it up with himself in it because his wife who is a dutch jewish woman who lived in new york for 40 years and was assimilated as an aw sued the poor guy for alimony and the courts forced him to sell the $4 million townhouse to pay her off. the townhouse was the home and doctor's office. when you look at the before and after pics of the wife, she does not resemble her former self at all! after waking up next to that gorgon and then having to pay her off with everything you own would drive you to do what he did. also on the howard stern show, aws say that the ***** should get the 4 million at the expense of that poor doctor. they also say that a man should accept a fat ogress for who she is and not how she looks. give me a break, oprah clones! i work my butt off in the gym so i can meet quality women and be with quality women not fat slobs. that is why i love mongering and am on this forum. the way these women are in the us, they should where burka. they can't where anything else because they could not longer fit dresses because they overeat.
also, once an aw lets herself go, everything else goes a downward spiral. she can't reach around herself to groom herself or bathe. she also stinks like feet and she becomes more unkempt. lately, i threw up after seeing the fugliest hippo feet with ugly black and long toenails that couldn't be pedicured, with peeling skin because the weight causes too much pressure on their swollen feet. on the beach, i saw a scene from "big momma's house 2" where martin lawrence was running with the fat woman's suit hundreds of times. i've seen so much cottage cheese that i should have opened a factory.
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settling
As someone mentioned before, maybe the guys who hook up with the fat, greasy unkempt AW actually finds her to be a fox in and out of bed. So be it. It's not my job to proselytize another guy in order to make him see that his situation could be better. HOWEVER, if it gets increasingly difficult to elicit the the positives from his honey while she gives less and less reward for his efforts while he GIVES more and more for the same amount of affection or LESS, then an intervention is needed. He should NOT settle for a can of dog food and a plastic cup of grain alcohol, but at the very least, TRY for a tin of Beluga caviar and a bottle of Bollinger's. A similar situation is Odysseus falling madly for the song of the Sirens. They would have ended up getting him killed, but he had the forethought of making his crew subdue him while he listened to their song.
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[QUOTE=Sinanju Master]As someone mentioned before, maybe the guys who hook up with the fat, greasy unkempt AW actually finds her to be a fox in and out of bed. So be it. It's not my job to proselytize another guy in order to make him see that his situation could be better. HOWEVER, if it gets increasingly difficult to elicit the the positives from his honey while she gives less and less reward for his efforts while he GIVES more and more for the same amount of affection or LESS, then an intervention is needed. He should NOT settle for a can of dog food and a plastic cup of grain alcohol, but at the very least, TRY for a tin of Beluga caviar and a bottle of Bollinger's. A similar situation is Odysseus falling madly for the song of the Sirens. They would have ended up getting him killed, but he had the forethought of making his crew subdue him while he listened to their song.[/QUOTE]
I'm going to give you a small insight into who I am as a person...
Personally I don't like overweight women in general. There's several reasons for this, some personal & some sociological.
I'll visit the sociological one first -
There is a running stereotype that Black men only have access to the bottom of the pile with Caucasian American women. Honestly when you look at it, it might be somewhat true. How many good looking brothas do you see with equally attractive white women?
I'd say California is not a good place to base your opinion on. We have fat people too, but our culture puts pressure on people to look good or be an outcast if you don't socially fit in, unless you run around with your "crowd" that doesn't care about outward appearance.
IE: those grungy looking dudes with long unkept hair, long breads, shirt off (unsightly) and many tats (prolly from the Deep South) and those into Rat Rods, Tats and Betty Page and still others with Blue hair, fetishes and still listen to punk and ska.
The Hugarian women I mentioned several post back is "fat", but not in a bad way. She keeps herself up, tans and is quite sexy actually. Sure having sex with her is not like having sex with thinner women, its all about visuals, because the phyiscal is THE SAME. If she's REALLY big, okay I agree that getting good penatration if your not so well endowed can be a problem (I speak from personal experience), but if your knocking it right, the results are the same.
Now for the personal side -
Its when your move into the "public" arena is when things change, at least for me. I don't want to be viewed as "That brotha that dates fat white women because thin ones will have nothing to do with me". That couldn't be further from the truth actually. I have dated several thin women and prolly should have left relationships for very attractive thinner women, but for some reason I didn't and I missed out on opertunties.
I made a choice about 2 years ago to stop "shagging" chubby women, period and outside of the Hurgarian girl, I have keep that promise to myself.
That has actually SLOWLED my sex life down by quite a bit and that is one reason why I looked to P4P and first signed on to the WSG about 2 years ago.
If I can't get what I want through normal means, then maybe I have to look elsewhere and into unconventional areas.
I have also known for a long time that I have better success with European and Canadian women. I'm going to give Canada a break and focus on Europe since I haven't been there before. The contacts I have made have ensured at least a min amount of action, but locks me into uncomfortable sitsuations with my "free time", making P4P vitrually impossible, but honestly that isn't so bad. I actually wanted to do some P4P just to give something back to the board that has given me plenty of information over the years, especially in places where I would have never thought of visiting, like Argentina.
But this mission is more about finding a life-partner, no matter how unpopular that is around here. Okay, so I have to make some compermises as well especially when I try and date in my age bracket. Looks like the only single and childless women I will meet in Europe will be providers and women under 25 generally.
Sinanju -
I totally agree with you. Its like owning a Toyota Camry when you can afford a BMW. Its not the same... They are both cars, but are for totally different types of drivers.
I say if you can't find what you want here, LOOK elsewhere. I don't understand why some American men feel they have to kowtow to the women in America. You don't have too, as was said in the Matrix -
"The problem is choice..."
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[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney] There is a running stereotype that Black men only have access to the bottom of the pile with Caucasian American women. Honestly when you look at it, it might be somewhat true. How many good looking brothas do you see with equally attractive white women?[/QUOTE]
This is not true......It just so happens that alot of these fat American White women are pretty open about their interest in fucking or dating Black men. Good looking White guys are picky about the types of women they want to meet. So Black guys never willing to let an easy fuck oppportunity pass them by are only too willing to oblige these women.
For the professional Black male with alot of disposable $$$$$, including professional Black Athletes the field is pretty much wide open in terms of finding attractive White American women. I've dated a few of these so called White Amercan "model" types and all have been complete DUD's in the fucking department. They have nice bodies to look at while fucking but are complete DUD's in the sack. I'll take a woman next door type White woman any day over them.
Pleeeeease don't even get me started about the sistas i.e. Black American women because we could be here all day. Most are really fucked up.
I've had my best experiences with East/Western European White women. They wear less makeup, look fit and are really down to earth no matter how good looking they are.