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DJ4M, you really tore those military boys apart. I mean you ripped them to shreds! I'm surprised that you feel so strongly given that you admitted to not knowing both sides of the story.
Just to add a little to what Sinanju Master said, it certainly isn't racial so don't stereotype. I know good black officers who married German women with bastard kids fathered by local German men. Some of them don't even refer to their blonde hair blue eyed stepchildren as stepchildren. They will go on talking about their son or daughter and you wouldn't have the slightest clue until you meet the kid in person.
Now, there is a certain segment of the female population in European countries that target black US servicemen for their own purposes. Sometimes it's just a fetish, other times it's because they know soldiers can be easily controlled by calling their command. Just think about that for a moment. What other job allows women to call your supervisor and have you send them money without even so much as a DNA test?
The military makes these guys pay especially when presented with proof of paternity. However, once they get out of uniform they're just like any other civilian. What about these women's lack of responsibility in letting these guys bareback them and cum in their pussies knowing full well that they'll be leaving in a year or two? They don't sound very bright do they? Condoms and birth control are more widely available in Northern Europe than the US even for teenagers.
"Baby mama drama" women always b*tch about their "baby daddy(ies)" it's just a fact of life. After you're gone they'll be bitching about you too. There's a reason why these women are in their particular situation. They love certain aspects of the culture and they actively seek it out though they complain.
Isn't there a German member who can give some input on these women?
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Dj
While I absolutely do not advocate making children and then abandoning them, I have to point out to you that these women (German and Norweigan) are citizens of very wealthy countries with high education levels and high standards of living....they aren't innocent, naive, uneducated peasant girls from the countryside of Moldova, Uzbekistan, or Romania. They are smart enough to know what causes babies, and whether or not they have the means to coerce the man to care for his offspring.. As they have this capacity, they are not innocent victims, but instead fully(but not exclusively) culpable for the decisions that shape their lives.
Quite frankly, if I were a German or Norweigan woman, I would be insulted by your perception of the lack of capability to not be victimized by the desires of a horny guy. I strongly suspect you are going to find out the hard way how canny and cagey these "innocent victims" can be.
B9k
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I have a reply coming...
I do understand what your all saying.
I also want to thank you guys for talking to me like a guy you know down the street.
Watching a football game.. BBL
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Well here it is -
There really isn't one...
Thank you all for sharing your opinion. If Im wrong about anything I said, then let's share the correct answer.
Are any of these woman, sharks? Maybe, we shall see. Nothing ventured right? and honestly I'll take my chances. I feel its worth my time to investgate this, rather than plan my trip around visiting various FKK's, Partytiffs, and other houses of pleasure in and around Germany and we know P4P isn't exactly "popular" in Norway.
Those are my two destinations....
First mission is to find or at least set in motion - LTR
I was mainly attracted to these boards to find out more information about the brothels I found in Elko, Nev. via another message board. I already "knew" about Rio, but I really didn't "know" until I got on these boards. I knew about Thailand and various other places, but I really didn't understand how deep it went until I got on these boards.
Now after making the decision to travel, I really don't have a ton of interest in P4P outside that its a nice option when other things don't work out.
Will I learn a valuable lesson out of all this? Maybe, maybe not.
Thanks
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[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]Well here it is -
There really isn't one...
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DJ,
I am a little disapointed at your "non-response". I didn't see a big problem with your previous post as male soldiers have been planting their seed in local females since we became humans. Ghengis Khan is reputed to have had hundreds of wives/concubines and thousands of children.
You seem to be a little confused about whether to pursue a wife or sex. My suggestion is to not mix the two. Do not look for sex where wives are to be found. Do not look for wives where sex is to be found.
I am an advocate of marriage/dating agencies and suggest you use a few to find marriage material women in Europe or wherever your preference lies. So long as you know what you are looking for in a wife, know what you have to
offer a potential wife, and can articulately express the two to a woman you should fair very well.
Good luck on your trip.
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Advice
DJFourMoney,
May I offer you some advice on getting married?
It's not exactly the promised land of relationships..... and we're talking from personal experience here. There's really only a couple of good reasons why you should do it..... and a fair number why you shouldn't.
Reason #1. If you're a social conformist, or you need to be married because you'll get ahead faster in business..... or even because you just feel like that's where you need to be at by a certain age.
Reason #2. You REALLY want to have some kids. This one applies more strongly to women, but still.... some guys get that feeling as well.
That's about it as far as I'm concerned. I do agree with you that getting sex exclusively from pros has kind of an empty feeling to it sometimes. It's a nice feeling to get some love from a woman because she likes you that much.
The thing is, after a while, most guys get bored doing it with just one woman. Try find someone you really like, that likes you in return and keep things that way by NOT getting married...... unless reasons #1 or #2 apply to you.
Rock
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Rock,
I think that is excellent advice for a man!
Do you have an insight on the reasons why a woman should or should not marry?
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[QUOTE=Rock Dog]DJFourMoney,
... It's a nice feeling to get some love from a woman because she likes you that much...
Rock[/QUOTE]
Please remember that "loving” feeling may not last forever, may not even last a year... It may even turn to hate... and becomes VERY expensive
But there again, some people do live happily ever after, normally the boring kind, uninspired, not normally found in ISG
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[QUOTE=George90]Rock,
I think that is excellent advice for a man!
Do you have an insight on the reasons why a woman should or should not marry?[/QUOTE]
Women should not merry men (she could merry another woman!) the reason is that the “gentle sex” should be kind to all God's creatures, including men. So please, leave us alone, so that we are free to roam the world in search of everlasting youth, especially of female kind.
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Dj
You seem to be very subject to the western societal programing, which dictates that you as a boring dependable income producer are a homogenous commodity with no value, and need to bring something extra (providing a "rescue" to a woman who has previously made poor choices) to the table in order to have a woman......
I assure you that this isn't the case. You CAN, if you look in the right places, have and keep a woman who is young, attractive, and who hasn't made a mess out of her life with poor choices....it isn't necessary to be the janitor of relationships.
B9k
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Dj4m
In the beginning, you seemed to be in the P4P camp, and all was good. Lately, you seem to be be defecting (relatively from out of the blue) and going into the marriage camp. If that is your intent, so be it, BUT if you meet Ms. Right and exhibit the same lack of certainty that is evident from your recent posts, she will pick up on that quicker than a crooked politician seeing a "60 Minutes" van in front of his house, and VAMOOSE!
MY take on the institution of marriage is that it CAN be like a Venus Flytrap. Alluring in the beginning, but after you have been there for a while and see things for what they really are, there is no escape. Love is a wonderful thing, but it does NOT last forever, AND many marriages (after a while) MAY have love AND sex, but not BOTH in ideal quantities. What happens when you STOP discovering that woman who so bewitched you with her wiles in the beginning of your relationship? You lose interest and start looking at OTHER women. What happens when you've discovered every single curve, nook and cranny of the body of the woman you've married? The exciting "newness" of it all evaporated long ago. Either you or her or BOTH of you fall into predictable routine and stop doing for each other what it was that made you HAVE to have one another. How long will she do things for you JUST BECAUSE she loves you and likes to be the cause of a smile appearing on your face? How long will YOU be willing to massage her back or rub her feet because she's had a hard day (or just simply BECAUSE YOU LOVE HER) and be her knight in shining armor?
These questions were meant to make you engage in self-reflection and THINK about what it is you want to do BEFORE you make an irrevocable choice.
This is not a flame at all. I am not curious about the outcome of your decision, nor do I have any stake in it whatsoever, but your indecision was becoming mildly maddening...
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After reading DJ4Money's post and the responses, I felt like Master Yoda sensing the growing strength of the dark side of the Force and the return of the Sith.
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actually i just didn't know how to respond -
i do like the advantages of p4p...
this might be a longin, so bare with me.
p4p locally would make more sense, than traveling all over god's green earth for it. now i understand that basically you’re killing two birds with one stone when you combined travel with your sexual activities.
locally only makes sense if:
1) your made of money
2) foolish and lazy
3) fat and all the above
why would i wanna pay $500 for the company of a local ho? i just have a deep problem with that. i don't have a problem parting with money, far from it as i have a hard time actually saving money, but spending $500 for "robotic" sex?
no way and frankly most of them don't look that hot, i have seen a few in person.
i fully understand you have to pay top dollar for top pussy, which is not lost on me. but that seems that only applies in america. that doesn't even apply in canada from what i have read.
going to canada would kinda make sense in a way, its closer, the exchange rate is better. but after being there, seems canada has a serious case of the "average" looking woman. they also aren't immune to the chubbiness problem we have down here. i dunno if i can stand somebody saying "aa" either.
brazil requires visas and the language is a barrier i wasn't willing to deal with. after adding it all up, the cost to travel and monger since that's about all i would be doing in sao palo. i mean besides "site seeing" and dancing to music i can't understand the lyrics too, i wouldn't be doing much else and the cost of company with somebody that spoke english is quite pricey in its own right.
sorry sampa guide...
argentina after further review doesn't seem to be the ideal place for newcomers. sure i could go the mansion and this is no dis to jackson or anybody else that hangs out down there. but c'mon, i’m a mid 30's dude that looks about 25 still and most of my friends are under 25 as well, with a few around my age sprinkled in.
somehow i don't find it all that appealing to hang around a bunch of harden older men.
the prices are reasonable like sampa and rio, but even cheaper in most cases. but again, because of the education level of most of the people in ba, spanish is the main spoken language and again it’s a barrier as i can't even understand the people looking for things at work...
i'm not interested in "crash courses" on anything.
i really don't like asian women. i'm a t&a guy; they usually have none unless they are eurasian or paid for it. i also maintain that the best looking ones are already here (i.e.: in the us). but i don't drive a benz (my thai homie does), so that leaves low brow filipinas and koreans mostly, not ideal at all.
now i will venture to both mexico and british columbia in early '07
my dawg at work has an aunt that owns a nice house in mexico city. we are welcome to visit. i’m down and i'm gone... once the weather warms up a little down there.
the thai dude along with a few other asian dudes and me one black guy are going to go to seattle and bc for about a week once the snow melts up there.
that should prove interesting, but not really.
so now that i have updated everybody on my travel plans...
in search of... (in my best impression of leonard nimoy)
a long term relationship.
rock dog
its actually reasons 1&2
i love kids, i want kids. i have always wanted all the positives that come with having a ltr and kids. i believe its picking the correct one that is the hardest thing to do in life because one slight miscalculation and you’re hatin fo life.
don't worry i am probing deep and i will probe even deeper. i can only do so much online and on the phone.
i'm not just limiting it to just these girls. i hope to meet some other women along the way. most of that will be focused in norway. i can more than likely do more damage in germany but i don't have a "base" of operation in germany yet to really get that done. i can always go back when i have a larger budget anyway, just not this trip.
bart
you know i don't wanna be like "grandpa". both ways -
play capt save a hoe or desperate old man
i fully understand what you mean and no i haven't fallen prey too it. i can get what i want in a woman, i just have to be smart about it. trust me, i am not looking forward to going from being single at home, with a cat to feed, to providing/caring for a woman and her children.
that's a big jump in responsibility bee... that's something i don't need to happen at the speed of sound. being a first time parent is actually very important to me.
but i would accept it if i found she was ideal otherwise.
cm via master, i am truly sorry.
i don't mean to ignore your teachings; i just need to make these decisions on my own.
i think i can do both. after all europe is open to both. however this trip my budget dictates alot of my activities. luckily for me, in return for lodging, i give up some of my personal freedom (and i get to hit it...). so the plan is to get some "playtime" in before i "officially" hit town, if you know what i mean.
i'm in the process of narrowing it down and i have a single and childless yougin (27) on the radar now and i'm kinda focusing on her and not the others so much, but it’s not like they can tell that ;)
this yougin is already planning to return the favor by coming out to los angeles to visit me.
so that brings you all up to date and i hope i didn't disappoint anybody.
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Normally I cringe when guys shoot down another guy's thoughts as "paralysis of analyis". I am an analyzer and see a great deal of value in in thinking with your big head before you go into a situation where your little head is going to see a lot of action or is hoping to see a lot of action. However, DJ's post seems to be well described by that phrase.
This is not a flame or meant as an insult to DJ. I want to point out that DJ listed several reasons why one or another country didn't have women suitable for him, listed several reasons why marriage or P4P might be good or bad for him, and finally wrote that his budget dictates his actions. In the end, there is a tentative short-term plan but no concrete long-term plan. (Not that there needs to be any plan, but then why write such a post.) To me this reflects a mid-30's guy who is deeply confused and indecisive about the role that a woman partner, or women partners, will play in his life.
DJ is not the only man who may be experiencing that kind of ambivalence. US society and AW have made themselves much less attractive to US men. That leaves a serious void that we MUST fill but often don't know how. The best way to fill that void is to examine ourselves to determine exactly what kind of void we have and exactly what we want to fill it with. That is what the term "check-up from the neck up" refers to. Many men in this forum have done their check-up and decided to fill their voids with foreign P4P. That is part of what this forum is for.
DJ has not really done his check-up. I hope he does before he goes on his trips.
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Just go, dude...
All of the responses to DJ4M have been right on I think, so I'm not going to pile on anymore, just wanted to add some insight...
I think you just need to go on this trip and let whatever happen, happen. I've been reading about your travel plans since January I think, while I was living in Ecuador. I've now been back in the States for four months, and you still haven't gone! Dude, just go already. I have the same reservations about this trip as probably everyone else on this board, but I think at the very least, it will be a good learning experience for you. And as George90 mentioned, you do sound confused about what you want, but that's not all your fault; who can blame you? Relationships in this country are so messed up right now, especially with guys our age (late 20's-early 30's). Our dicks are telling us one thing (find hot pussy) and society is telling us something else (be a wage slave and let women be the boss). So women are wearing the pants and more and more guys are surrendering their balls. I can't tell you how many buddies I have who haven't been married for even a few years, and are already looking for a way out of their self-made prison. Just wanted to add a few things:
1. If you don't want to learn another language, that's fine, but I really think you're holding yourself back, and missing out on some awesome opportunities. Besides, Spanish really isn't that difficult (ok, the verbs can be a pain in the ass, I agree), and you don't need to be fluent to pick up women; basic knowledge works. And once you are in a LTR with a latina, you will be suprised how quickly she will help you pick up the language.
2. As far as going to Germany and Norway, I have no info on either of those countries. I just have to assume that you like aryan-type women, and that you know what you're doing. If the non-pro's fail in Germany, like you said, there are P4P options, but what are you going to do if things don't work out in Norway?? I'm not saying they won't but I think it's good to have a back-up plan, that's all. Again, you probably know what you're doing, just wanted to make sure.
3. I can kind of understand your desire for a LTR (*kind of*), but if you are successful in finding that, are you willing to relocate to Europe? Both countries you're visiting are very wealthy, and I can't imaging that there are hordes of Nordic girls looking to escape their state-run welfare system. Also, the argument has been made before by European men that their women are just as bad as AW, and that it's not just the U.S., but the entire Western world that is affected by feminism. It would suck for you to leave the States only to find the same type of women in Europe as well. Have you looked into what type of laws they have on the books regarding marriage/relationships there? How much does the woman get if she decides it's "not working out" etc?
I could go on and on, but I think I'll just leave it at that. Like I said, just go and do what you gotta do, and regardless of what happens, I think this will be an excellent experience for you. At the very least, I'm sure this will be your first of many overseas trips. Suerte (good luck!)