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[QUOTE=Dickhead]Except with looser pussies, less money, less free time, and more screaming in the background, right?[/QUOTE]
Hi,
I didn't notice the looseness of the pussy;in the USA they often have more money than single women because they have a house and an alimony check courtesey of their ex. while abroad the man is expected to pay for eveything anyway so the relevancy of the mom's pocket book is largely irrelevant;the kids were only an issue as it related to giving her enough notice to find a sitter; and yes, I was annoyed at the lil bugger in the background.
My comments were primarily directed at the casual date...if one were to marry or play house with one it's a different story.
DD
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[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]I I still say most women that move to America as adults are not looking to move upmarket once they get here, unless you were so far downmarket that you lied about it.
I still believe that some Men not wanting to admit it, are married to Gold Digging EE, Colombian, etc women. As I said they won't admit it, so they won't talk about it. They are ashamed.[/QUOTE]
I’d have to agree with Dickhead. EEs and LA women are always looking to advance themselves and have little scruples about how they do so. And let’s be blunt: first generation post adolescent immigrants will never earn the good life in America through climbing the corporate ladder or making it in business. (You can only get rich in America if you have access to big money (family) or you do good, go to a top 15 school and a top 10 grad school, get a good job in finance, consulting, medicine, or corporate law). The one’s that bust their ass can do pretty good and live an average American life with a house, a car, etc, but they won’t be living large. Therefore, the only realistic chance they have to have a big house, nice Benz, designer clothes, and exotic vacations is to marry a man in the top 7% of all wage earners (192k+).
I agree with DJ that most American men don’t want to admit what they picked up at a Latin Affair on their 9 day marriage tour to Medellin. The only way to really know these broads is to live in their country, speak their language, and become intimate with their culture and community; most men will never have this opportunity.
Marrying a foreign woman already domiciled in America yields a much better chance of success than importing one. You should only import prime foreign punanny if you can afford to maintain it. And if you can afford to maintain it and are under 50 it makes no sense to import one because the domestic talent that is accessible to you equals the foreign talent.
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"You can only get rich in America if you have access to big money (family) or you do good, go to a top 15 school and a top 10 grad school, get a good job in finance, consulting, medicine, or corporate law)."
It depends how you define rich. You don't have to have any of the above to get a CPA license, just as an example, and that's worth about an extra million dollars in earnings over twenty years (as compared to just a bachelor's degreee in business administration).
So if you have a million dollars free and clear are you still rich in this day and age? PS I don't!
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[QUOTE=Dickhead]"You can only get rich in America if you have access to big money (family) or you do good, go to a top 15 school and a top 10 grad school, get a good job in finance, consulting, medicine, or corporate law)."
It depends how you define rich. You don't have to have any of the above to get a CPA license, just as an example, and that's worth about an extra million dollars in earnings over twenty years (as compared to just a bachelor's degreee in business administration).
So if you have a million dollars free and clear are you still rich in this day and age? PS I don't![/QUOTE]
Bro, as i wrote earlier,and as it pertains to pussy, i mean rich enough to sustain a lifestyle with a nice house, nice luxury car, nice (or more accurately deisgner) threads, and cool trips. In the OC or LA that means 250k a year..in places like Arkansas I think it would be less.
Maybe rich is not the correct term to employ here, but you need to be able to afford a lifestyle that these gold diggers demand or be near tone death to tune out the all the bitching that will come your way if you cant afford this shit oner. why do most marriages fail?...money.
I think if you have a million bucks in the bank and the feds are not sniffing around you are doing very good. ..you certainly are rich for the time that you have it in the bank.
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[QUOTE=DirkDingy](You can only get rich in America if you have access to big money (family) or you do good, go to a top 15 school and a top 10 grad school, get a good job in finance, consulting, medicine, or corporate law). .[/QUOTE]
I agree. America is a capitalistic rat race. 99% of the people do not understand there are a lot of other countries to live in that are better. Try explaining this to someone who has not traveled often, they cannot grasp this concept.
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[QUOTE=Jon32]I agree. America is a capitalistic rat race. 99% of the people do not understand there are a lot of other countries to live in that are better. Try explaining this to someone who has not traveled often, they cannot grasp this concept.[/QUOTE]
Our propganda machine sure is effective isn't it...the land of milk and honey for all. rich socialist countries are much better for the average lad than the USA is. Our economic oligarchy is only better suited for the small segment of folk that have the will and the means to get rich..immigrants are largely exploited like slaves....think of the mexicans picking fruit in california or the polish ladies on their hands and knees cleaning townhouses on the upper east side. in three generations this handicap disapears but grandpa and dad won't see the big payout.
this faustain gift allows average white dudes to travel to ukriane and marry a hot young thing only for her to drive him nuts when she learns that average in america is much more booring and just slightly better than average in her own country. Then 26 year old Natasha dumps 46 year old Joe and takes 1/2 his shit that he's worked hard and honest to accumulate all of his life.
Wives and oxen from your own cities, boys...
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[QUOTE=Vaquero]The advantage: Her time is fairly limited, so at first no spending too much time besidse the in-out, in-out.
The disadvantage: She'll complain about her ex and/or expect you to assume a role of responsibility in her household, such as spending time with the kids or footing a bill or two.[/QUOTE]
I dont know how things work in America, but I found that single moms are so happy to have a decent dude that they nag less and put up with more shit from a nice but philandering fellow than ones without kids do...if you are supporting her and her kids you have a lot of leverage.
in some countries its not uncommon to find a 22 year old women with a four year old kid...prime eye candy without all the hassle.
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[QUOTE=DirkDingy]Our propganda machine sure is effective isn't it...the land of milk and honey for all.... this faustain gift allows average white dudes to travel to ukriane and marry a hot young thing only for her to drive him nuts when she learns that average in america is much more booring and just slightly better than average in her own country. Then 26 year old Natasha dumps 46 year old Joe and takes 1/2 his shit that he's worked hard and honest to accumulate all of his life.
Wives and oxen from your own cities, boys...[/QUOTE]
Though I was thinking more of Uruguay than Ukraine; but I have another advantage-to-be, in that I'm pulling my life together so I can live OCONUS. My civil-service pension may be modest by USA standards, but it would be [i]very[/i] comfortable, maybe even luxurious, in most of Latin America.
I was talking with "Bob," an expat who lives in the Puerto Plata area of the Dom Rep, and his story underlines this notion. He retired a few months ago, and moved from the New York City area to Puerto Plata; he has two sons who live back in NYC, and he was able to leave most of his "can't part with it" stuff with them. He rents a nicely furnished, two-bedroom villa with a skinny-dip-private swimming pool, for less than $1000 per month; he bought a motor-scooter instead of a car, to get around in town; he lives much as he would back home, but his costs of living are maybe 1/2 of "back-home". Which leaves him plenty of money for "play-time."
Bob has a lovely Dominicana girlfriend; would he bring her back to the States to live with him there? "Hell, no." He'd rather live in the Dom Rep, buzz down to the beach, hang out along the Malecon, enjoy his Endless Summer - and not have the drama of transplanting his "tropical flower" novia back to the cold, dirty, hectic, conspicuous-consumption, Wal-Mart atmosphere of the USA.
Remember that your lovely Ukrainian dyev or your sweet chica latina, transplanted to the USA, will soak up all the culture-features we bemoan in our American women. If you can manage to live in their country, I think you'll have more advantages living there than you'd have bringing them home.
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[QUOTE=Westy]Though I was thinking more of Uruguay than Ukraine; but I have another advantage-to-be, in that I'm pulling my life together so I can live OCONUS. My civil-service pension may be modest by USA standards, but it would be [i]very[/i] comfortable, maybe even luxurious, in most of Latin America.
I was talking with "Bob," an expat who lives in the Puerto Plata area of the Dom Rep, and his story underlines this notion. He retired a few months ago, and moved from the New York City area to Puerto Plata; he has two sons who live back in NYC, and he was able to leave most of his "can't part with it" stuff with them. He rents a nicely furnished, two-bedroom villa with a skinny-dip-private swimming pool, for less than $1000 per month; he bought a motor-scooter instead of a car, to get around in town; he lives much as he would back home, but his costs of living are maybe 1/2 of "back-home". Which leaves him plenty of money for "play-time."
Bob has a lovely Dominicana girlfriend; would he bring her back to the States to live with him there? "Hell, no." He'd rather live in the Dom Rep, buzz down to the beach, hang out along the Malecon, enjoy his Endless Summer - and not have the drama of transplanting his "tropical flower" novia back to the cold, dirty, hectic, conspicuous-consumption, Wal-Mart atmosphere of the USA.
Remember that your lovely Ukrainian dyev or your sweet chica latina, transplanted to the USA, will soak up all the culture-features we bemoan in our American women. If you can manage to live in their country, I think you'll have more advantages living there than you'd have bringing them home.[/QUOTE]
You have the right idea and I wish you happiness in your well deserved retirement. I think that retiring abroad makes sense on multiple fronts: your money goes a lot farther and you can find a decent young lady to look after your every desire.
of all the guys in Thailand, the retired are the most happy and content. A few items to note: living abroad can be a bit lonely...i like america and americans and miss them both. Finding a place with a decent expat community and access to western things is something to consider. I think if you went to a place like...Uruagay :)...you'd be bored outta your mind in no time.
Some of these places are not really that cheap. Bangkok is friggin expensive these days and by no means cheap....the only thing that's really cheaper are the women.
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[QUOTE=Westy]Though I was thinking more of Uruguay than Ukraine; but I have another advantage-to-be, in that I'm pulling my life together so I can live OCONUS. My civil-service pension may be modest by USA standards, but it would be [i]very[/i] comfortable, maybe even luxurious, in most of Latin America.
I was talking with "Bob," an expat who lives in the Puerto Plata area of the Dom Rep, and his story underlines this notion. He retired a few months ago, and moved from the New York City area to Puerto Plata; he has two sons who live back in NYC, and he was able to leave most of his "can't part with it" stuff with them. He rents a nicely furnished, two-bedroom villa with a skinny-dip-private swimming pool, for less than $1000 per month; he bought a motor-scooter instead of a car, to get around in town; he lives much as he would back home, but his costs of living are maybe 1/2 of "back-home". Which leaves him plenty of money for "play-time."
Bob has a lovely Dominicana girlfriend; would he bring her back to the States to live with him there? "Hell, no." He'd rather live in the Dom Rep, buzz down to the beach, hang out along the Malecon, enjoy his Endless Summer - and not have the drama of transplanting his "tropical flower" novia back to the cold, dirty, hectic, conspicuous-consumption, Wal-Mart atmosphere of the USA.
Remember that your lovely Ukrainian dyev or your sweet chica latina, transplanted to the USA, will soak up all the culture-features we bemoan in our American women. If you can manage to live in their country, I think you'll have more advantages living there than you'd have bringing them home.[/QUOTE]
I like to sum up this phenomena as follows:
When you take her out of Oz, Dorothy becomes just another Kansas farm girl with red shoes.
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In my case, I pay pennies on the dollar here in Bogota compared to NYC. As long as you don't do anything stupid like try to have a car here, it's really cheap to live. Can't say I miss Americans that much... at all....
It's not really all about the women for me. Plenty of countries with easier women than Colombia, but few or none with better QUALITY. Especially when the sex is done and you may want to strike up a conversation....
[QUOTE=DirkDingy]You have the right idea and I wish you happiness in your well deserved retirement. I think that retiring abroad makes sense on multiple fronts: your money goes a lot farther and you can find a decent young lady to look after your every desire.
of all the guys in Thailand, the retired are the most happy and content. A few items to note: living abroad can be a bit lonely...i like america and americans and miss them both. Finding a place with a decent expat community and access to western things is something to consider. I think if you went to a place like...Uruagay :)...you'd be bored outta your mind in no time.
Some of these places are not really that cheap. Bangkok is friggin expensive these days and by no means cheap....the only thing that's really cheaper are the women.[/QUOTE]
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I agree with this, and the leverage aspect..also you can date or have an arrangement with a mom separate from her life as a mom, she may not want the kids to become attached to a father figure who sooner or later will disappear. This is the situation with a special 28 yo I have in Lima, we have amazing chemistry like I've felt only a few times before in my life, and I'm actually keen on settling in to Lima next year partly so I can enjoy her company and regular access to her wet tight pussy (2 bebes and a tight pussy, yes it is possible!).
Basically her benefits are enjoying my company, she does seem to really care about me and have as much fun with me as I with her...and, well, enjoying occasional financial support when something "urgente" comes up, its amounted to a few hundred dollars or so over the past year, she is a secretary and money is always very tight. But if requests start to come too often or too much there will be a time to respond NO PUEDO. In the meantime I am off to Medellin tomorrow for turkey stuffing of a little different kind. She knows I am there to enjoy myself and meet "amigas" but is still setting aside vacation time just for us in January in Lima, it will be a nice change of pace to be sort of a serious novio for a few days. For sure all of it is better than the dry life here in northeast USA.
[QUOTE=DirkDingy]I dont know how things work in America, but I found that single moms are so happy to have a decent dude that they nag less and put up with more shit from a nice but philandering fellow than ones without kids do...if you are supporting her and her kids you have a lot of leverage.
in some countries its not uncommon to find a 22 year old women with a four year old kid...prime eye candy without all the hassle.[/QUOTE]
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I know some dudes get caught out and marry a ladder climber from any of the popular countries for this type of thing. You always have Winners and Losers, why focus solely on the Losers and then say I'm better off with first generation immigrant girl usually here one of three ways -
Divorced from Western Man, married less than 5 years in most cases.
Student here going to school, then applies to extend her time and also looking for a local so she can stay.
Here on a work visa usually working at a Amusement Park.
Often times men pick the best looking women and why not? But haven't you thought that the little head overrides the big one and all your thinking about is getting back inside that same pussy that drew you in like a moth to a flame?
Typical time from Meeting to K-1 - 9-10 months
As I said before some poor boob did found a girl, she delayed two or three different times before finally coming on K-1. When she landed she didn't kiss him and handed him her bag. It turned out to be a scam as she later claimed abuse and it was later found she had been involved with known Ukrainian mob type running scams on poor dudes just looking for companionship.
Not all K-1 relationships fail. Not all K-1 relationships are sexless.
Since the Government isn't really interested in keeping much data beyond who applies and who returns home, its way to hard to gasp the whole thing. Also many couples would like to keep in the shadows because of the social stigma to marrying a foreign women to start with.
I have done the Single Mother thing. Its okay, I rather go with a childless woman that wants to have children. That is becoming problematic with all women over 30. It must be some type of personal record but I don't understand how come I run into so many women that can't have children. This is likely the reason why they are over 30, still single and unmarried. That's too bad but the reality is most men want their own biological children firstly, adoption in the first place for many including myself is non-negotiable and a non-starter.
Besides I'm narrow casting somewhat, not every woman is going to be into me. Even if you add it up all, its going to dwarf how many women are interested in Caucasian me. Narrow casting I believe eliminates much of the foolishness that can happen. That still means I need to do a proper vetting process.
I also believe there are other tactics that can be used that might be crass to some but legitimate to me to prevent the Okie Doke.
Working on contract is key to giving myself to the time off to properly vet a woman. We'll see how that works out, I have a job lined up but its local. This is server company with all types of on-site perks but I doubt generous time off.
That's not to say I won't give the time of day to an attractive sub-30 single mother that lives in the US/Canada/Western Europe.
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A couple more thoughts
Of course, it depends on the situation of the single mother.
Best case scenario, she's a widow. From what I've seen and heard, widows treat their new husbands quite well, probably because they realize the brevity of life and may have regrets of not treating their deceased husbands as well as they could have.
The unfortunate truth is that our wars are creating a few more of these widows.
Worst case scenario, the single momma was sexually abused as a child, has been divorced a couple times and has cultivated an unwavering resentment of men, yet still needs them for reasons of stability.
And, of course, there's plenty of ground in between.
I actually don't mind kids. Just depends on the kids. Ultimately, they'll be your roommates, so who wants to deal with asshole kids?
In one relationship, I enjoyed hanging out with the kids, took the daughter to a doctor's appointment, taught the son about photography. Problem was that the mother was a psycho who'd been molested as a kid (which may have explained why was so good in the sack and liked buttfucking).
I will say that if that kid doesn't come from my loins, I'd be less than eager to pay for the college education or cars and all that.
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[QUOTE=Vaquero]Of course, it depends on the situation of the single mother.
Best case scenario, she's a widow. From what I've seen and heard, widows treat their new husbands quite well, probably because they realize the brevity of life and may have regrets of not treating their deceased husbands as well as they could have.
The unfortunate truth is that our wars are creating a few more of these widows.
Worst case scenario, the single momma was sexually abused as a child, has been divorced a couple times and has cultivated an unwavering resentment of men, yet still needs them for reasons of stability.
And, of course, there's plenty of ground in between.
I actually don't mind kids. Just depends on the kids. Ultimately, they'll be your roommates, so who wants to deal with asshole kids?
In one relationship, I enjoyed hanging out with the kids, took the daughter to a doctor's appointment, taught the son about photography. Problem was that the mother was a psycho who'd been molested as a kid (which may have explained why was so good in the sack and liked buttfucking).
I will say that if that kid doesn't come from my loins, I'd be less than eager to pay for the college education or cars and all that.[/QUOTE]
That makes sense and I would agree with you.
If she's a Single Mother, I just rather have a woman with one child, fairly young (under 4) as well. The problem I'm running into here and in Europe is that the women are usually no more than 4-5 years younger than me. Once I'm in a better position to do this, I'm going to start asking women what's the difference between 35 and 40 in a man? Personally nothing that I can tell and I don't know what the concern is about 5 more years.
Anyway the majority of the women are over 30 and most by 35 are finished having children. There are some women over 35 that have never been married and have no children but want to have them. The problem with that is beyond 35 birth defects double, after 40 defects triple up to Menopause.
As I said because of my age and because Western Women generally don't tolerate large age gaps, its really becoming an issue with my selection process.