Hurrah Jackson !
The anonymity (sp?) of the internet really brings out the worst in people.
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Hurrah Jackson !
The anonymity (sp?) of the internet really brings out the worst in people.
Ok lets get back to the topic at hand. It is true that there is a big difference in attitude between American women and the women of the rest of the planet. Women in the States tend to be more self centered and selfish. They like men for sex but at the same time hate them for being human. American women like to be someone else at the drop of a hat when it suits them. Just look at that corporate game show where the women use the tits and ass routine to beat the men. I have seen American whine about equality and sexism but they always use the T and A routine to get ahead in life when it becomes convenient. I liked the part when the women managed the restaurant they offered to drink shots of booze with the male customers. If the male team tried to offer to drink shots with female customers they would have gotten their pants sued off for sexual harrassment. Then when they win they boast about how much more capable they are then the men at running a business and all that crap. What a bunch of bullshit, its the typical arrogant American female attitude. A few years ago I talked to an American female friend about a trip to Europe, in particular Amsterdam, and she was telling me all this stuff about how horrible women are treated and that all Dutch women wind up as prostitutes and other horror stories. It turns out I had a damn good time in Amsterdam and now if an American female says something negative about how life for women is in a particular country, I visit the place because its probably going to be very good for a man who wants to get laid. You'll often here feminists say horrible things about a number of places including Australia and most of Europe and South America, but from a guy's perspective these places can be nirvana.
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Just found a hilarious website almost custom-tailored to this topic:
http://www.meish.org/vd/
Also, there are just a few points I'd like to bring up:
* Today is Valentine's Day
* I live in America (Indianapolis, Indiana, The "Heartland")
* I have nobody to celebrate with
* And all I can think of are two small words: HELL YES!!!!
-- Lookr
Over the past 20 years or so, it appears to me that the entire process of socialization, and specifically cultural expectations has changed drastically for American women. As "gender equality" becomes an ever more realistic goal, gender-related differences begin to evaporate. In the US, particularly among middle class, educated women, the idea of "appearing feminine" has actually fallen into disrepute. Simply put, American women take ever less pleasure in their femininity, and are ever more determined to demonstate not only their equality to men, but their superiority. It can be therefore, exhausting for an American male to confront this phenomonon on a regular basis, not only at work, but also at home.
In other countries, including most of those in Western Europe, women, for the most part, enjoy all of the attributes typically associated with femininity. That is, they celebrate the gender difference without finding it demeaning, demoralizing, or self-defeating. It's refreshing for an American man, who may be looking for an equal, but not a competitor in his bed and in his life.
American women, while they are rabidly feminist and independent, they are also the most racist and ethnocentric women on the planet. I have often witnessed the condescending behavior and attitude of American female tourists in Cancun towards the local Mexican males. A lot of these guys are just trying to be friendly and hospitable and they act like total bitches. One time I heard a group of American females at a resort in Cancun expresssing diatribe after diatribe about the local men. One of the most racist comments I heard from one of the ladies was "These Mexican dudes think they can hook up with me?? Yeah right, I only go for blonde hair blued eyed guys from Seattle." She later made another nasty comment about the complexion of the local guys. If you witness the behavior of European lady in the same resort, it is like night and day, they are far less condescending and often are a lot friendlier to the local guys. What I am getting at is that American women are very STATUS oriented, they look at a what they perceive is a man's economic value to value a man's ability as a boyfriend, husband, or lover. I'm in Australia, and the local women have an attitude similar to that of Europeans. A lot of locals laugh when I tell them that I left the US not because of politics or socioeconomic issues but the fact that American women are BITCHES with a capital B.
CBGBConnisur,
Yes, they are Bitches with a capital B. Great Posting.
If you want to see them turn into even bigger bitches (if that's even possible), let it slip to an American woman that you prefer foreign women and go overseas to meet women and have sex. Wow, they really lose it.
For example, I have a sister-in-law who found out about my trips abroad and she was not only angered buy genuinely mystified. She asked repeatedly what a woman in Eastern Europe has that an American woman does not. After a few glasses of wine I told her. Not a good idea on my part. By the way, my brother has told me he'd give anything to join me. Says his wife is an asexual disaster. Says she's a "roommate" and not a wife.
Single American women take it even worse it seems. They can't fathom that American men would reject them and they really become livid. Their anger and indignation is really something to see.
Paddy
it's all about the money with american women, they couldn't care less about you as a partner. i guy could have a lousy toupee but have a lot of money and american women will be on him like peanut butter on wonder bread. the example of the american women i saw in cancun is so indicative of the status oriented attitude that american women have, and nothing seems to impress them, and taken the fact that there are amazing women elsewhere, why bother?
and that paris hilton chic? everyone in the us is making such a big deal about her? who really cares, because if you go to germany or some scandinavian country you will see millions of paris hiltonlike clones.
I think CBGB may have hit it on the head when he mentioned the "Feminist" thing. The worst thing that seems to have come out of the feminist movement in America is that women are either ashamed of being women or pissed off that they're not men. This may not be just due to the feminist movement though, hundreds of years ago the Puritans had a huge influence on American culture and that influence is still around. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for equal pay for equal work and all that, I believe that women and men can be equal but it has to be understood that we're different. The difference isn't just the obvious difference in physical attributes, but also in the way we think. Men tend to be more direct when solving problems, women tend to look for a less antagonistic alternative (they want to find an open door as opposed to breaking a window when trying to get into a locked building, for instance). I think that American women are finally coming to the conclusion that they can't be men, so in their circuitous way of solving what they perceive as a problem, they are trying to turn men into women (or at least get us to behave in a manor acceptable to them) - via "political correctness", etc.
I've found it a little difficult to adjust to the way things are in the USA these days after spending most of the last 20 years outside the country. A while back, I was temporarily assigned to my company's headquarters (I live in another state), there was this absolutely gorgeous woman working there, she always wore tight skirts & low cut blouses & 3" heels that made her tits bounce all over the place when she walked. I made a comment about how hot she looked & was instantly reprimanded and told to keep my opinions to myself, or I could be fired on grounds of sexual harrassment! WTF? I don't think I was in any position to harrass her as she didn't work for me, I was merely making an observation that her attempts to make herself sexually attractive had worked!
The London office had another problem with dress codes - this one group that I did a lot of business with required the men to wear dress shoes, slacks, shirt with a tie. The women would routinely show up in sweats or jeans & doc martins or tennis shoes and their hair looked like they had just rolled out of bed! These people dealt directly with our clients. When I asked the head of that group (an American) about their dress code, he said that after discussing it with the company lawyers, he didn't think that he could tell the women how to dress without running the risk of offending them and getting mired in a sexual harrassment case. Again, WTF?
Paddy,
I was once on a flight from London to Bangkok and there was a British guy in the row in front of me who was speaking to these two British women sitting next to him. Seems he was having the same conversation that you had with your sister in law - he went into great detail about how it was better for a man to fly to Thailand & be assured of sex (for a small fee) with a lovely young lady than to stay in Britain and spend far more money on some slag who may or may not give it up at the end of the night - he really seemed to be enjoying himself, but the ladies seemed rather horrified. I thought it was very amusing to just sit and listen, far superior to the inflight entertainment provided by British Airways.
CW
CBGB,
Yes, money is a big, big issue with American women. It's a virtual prerequisite to even get to first base. I'd like to take this even one step further, though. I would assert that even if you have money (almost all of my friends are 100K plus) you STILL get their attitude. Many of the guys in my circle of friends have money, looks, etc. and they're still frustrated as hell. Many of them don't even bother to date or go to places to meet women anymore. They've actually given up. They all say that it isn't worth it. In fact, several of them are exploring those internet sites advertising women from Russia and the former Soviet Union. They're being cautious of course. One guy is going over there this summer to meet a particular woman from Estonia that he has been communicating with via one of those services. Soo...
Like you, I wish that American women could walk around Oslo, Copenhagen or Prague for example and see the extraordinary number of beautiful women there. These women relish in their femininity and don't view themselves as goddesses. Women in these cities are also friendly, approachable and don't subject you to the manipulative and controlling agendas that American women seem to almost universally possess. The differences are really startling. American women are permanently off my radar screen.
Paddy
Paddy,
Need to make a few comments on your remarks about Danish women. I speak with over 30 yrs. experience.
Pros:
Yes, Scandinavian women are extremely attractive physically. They are also quite friendly, feminine and approachable. They make good friendships. They are less inhibited in bed.
Cons:
Scoring them is not easier than American women. Many are equally high maintainance as their US sisters. They are prosessive, dominating, manipulative, selfish and they really think they are goodesses. I know 5 American men and one British gent all divorced from their first Danish wives. The worst IMO is the overweight American epidemic has arrived in Europe.
That's why I'm looking towards latinas and Asian this year.
I hope Tiger Woods knows what he is doing.
Anyway, I have a question regarding Southern European women. In my experience with Spanish and Italian women, they tend to be more feminine and sweet than American women, having the same philosophy and outlook on life like Latin and Filipino women.
Is my experience an anomaly? I do hope that European women as a whole are not turning out like their sisters across the Atlantic.
The majority of European women are nothing like American women, Thank God. The catch is though if you take them back across the Atlantic to the USA, they will make friends with local American women and then metamorphasize into ball kicking bitches. I have seen this happen many times. Environment influences human behavior, its a herdlike mentality that drilled into humans to copy one another. Europe's culture is less feminist than the US and Canada so women are different there. US women are more independent and enjoy ball stomping even if you are a good looking guy. European women overall are better looking physically and have better personalities, they smile a lot more, I always had women I didn't know in public places smile at me in Europe, in the US they rarely even make eye contact since they are too absorbed into their own little world. In Italy and Spain you will find tons of hot women and their attitude in general is better than what you find in North America, in general most European girls are not as materialistic as their US counterparts.
NYC Expat,
Thanks for the info regarding women from Copenhagen. I only spent about 1 week there. I noticed that they were stunning and had no problems meeting them, etc. I was probably just lucky.
Are there any other cities to avoid in your experiences? Thanks.
Paddy, don't get discouraged by the comment about the ups and downs of Danish women. For the STR, they are definitely good, but for LTR, these women are human beings and have their flaws, the bottom line is that average Danish woman is still a big improvement over the typical North American lady and you will get the main thing, pussy. NYC hit it on the mark about Asians and Latinas, they are tops with regards to the overall experience but if you like blonde hair blue eyes you will do well in a Scandinavian country, Germany, and, and Holland. The financial investment of getting a woman from one of these places into bed is lower but the social investment is about the same as with American women.