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Michael Strahan NY Giants linebacker get's screwed over bigtime.....
Strahan screwed by ex wife Jean Strahan. [url]http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/488346p-411226c.html[/url]
Jean Strahan recieves...................
Prenup payout
$7.5 million plus $1.2 million in interest
Half of all assets
$6.6 million
Dream house
She can buy the family's $3.6 million "dream house" in Montclair, N.J., from her husband for $1.4 million
Luxury car
A leased Cadillac Escalade
Property
She gets half of the money from the sale of 256 pieces of furniture and other property
Child support
$214,745 a year; Michael Strahan also must pay 91% of the cost of their children's private schooling, camp and higher education fees. She will cover the rest.
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Poor guy...
Those atheletes are dumbass for not seeing goldiggers comin at them.
In a way I don't feel sorry for him cause he can afford it.
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[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]I didn't say that and your taking my post out of context.
I never said baggin Paris Hilton was the best America has to offer. [B]What I was saying was, don't let your financial situation be the sole reason you can't pull famous pussy. [/B]Make connections, its not what you know, its WHO you know. I'm not famous and not rich (yet, give it a few weeks).
As I said, clubs are not the ideal place to meet anybody really. But parties are! [B]These jokers always have parties, just try and get on the guest list. If you don't know anybody, then find somebody in the "know". [/B]The beauty of those people, while fake as a 4 dollar bill, are a reliable source of info. [/QUOTE]
Listen to yourself! Don't you realize that when a man needs to work, spending time trying to get on party guest lists is a complete and utter waste????
That's what I meant about getting a better perspective! Regular guys need to work to earn money. We do not have time to find somebody in the "know" and chase down a party.
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51% of U.S. women are now living without spouse
[b]International Herald Tribune[/b]
By Sam Roberts
Monday, January 15, 2007
For what experts say is probably the first time, more American women are living without a husband than with one, according to a New York Times analysis of census results.
In 2005, 51 percent of women said they were living without a spouse, up from 35 percent in 1950 and 49 percent in 2000.
Coupled with the fact that in 2005 married couples became a minority of all
American households for the first time, the trend could ultimately shape social and workplace policies, including the ways government and employers distribute benefits.
Several factors are driving the statistical shift. At one end of the age spectrum, women are marrying later or living with unmarried partners more often and for longer periods. At the other end, women are living longer as widows and, after a divorce, are more likely than men to delay remarriage, sometimes delighting in their newfound freedom.
[i]Furthermore, men have become [b]sick to death[/b] of the bullshit that women put them through just to get laid every now and then. These men are voting with their feet by heading for the exits in record numbers. Also, a select few intelligent men have discovered the allure of overseas pussy through the use of Internet Message Boards like the International Sex Guide. Apparently, once you've experienced the joys of a relationship with an attractive, caring, sincere foreign woman, there's no going back to fat American cows.[/i]
In addition, marriage rates among black women remain low. Only about 30 percent of black women are living with a spouse, according to the Census Bureau, compared with about 49 percent of Hispanic women, 55 percent of non-Hispanic white women and more than 60 percent of Asian women.
In a relatively small number of cases, the living arrangement is temporary, because the husbands are working out of town, are in the military or are institutionalized. But while most women eventually marry, the larger trend is unmistakable.
"This is yet another of the inexorable signs that there is no going back to a world where we can assume that marriage is the main institution that organizes people's lives," said Prof. Stephanie Coontz, director of public education for the Council on Contemporary Families, a nonprofit research group. "Most of these women will marry, or have married. But on average, Americans now spend half their adult lives outside marriage."
Professor Coontz said this was probably unprecedented with the possible exception of major wartime mobilizations and when black couples were separated during slavery.
William H. Frey, a demographer with the Brookings Institution, a research group in Washington, described the shift as "a clear tipping point, reflecting the culmination of post-1960 trends associated with greater independence and more flexible lifestyles for women."
"For better or worse, women are less dependent on men or the institution of marriage," Dr. Frey said. "Younger women understand this better, and are preparing to live longer parts of their lives alone or with nonmarried partners. For many older boomer and senior women, the institution of marriage did not hold the promise they might have hoped for, growing up in an 'Ozzie and Harriet' era."
Emily Zuzik, a 32-year-old musician and model who lives in the East Village of Manhattan, said she was not surprised by the trend.
"A lot of my friends are divorced or single or living alone," Ms. Zuzik said. "I know a lot of people in their 30s who have roommates."
Ms. Zuzik has lived with a boyfriend twice, once in California where the couple registered as domestic partners to qualify for his health insurance plan. "I don't plan to live with anyone else again until I am married," she said, "and I may opt to keep a place of my own even then."
Linda Barth, a 56-year-old magazine editor in Houston who has never married, said, "I used to divide my women friends into single friends and married friends. Now that doesn't seem to be an issue."
Sheila Jamison, who also lives in the East Village and works for a media company, is 45 and single. She says her family believes she would have had a better chance of finding a husband had she attended a historically black college instead of Duke.
"Considering all the weddings I attended in the '80s that have ended so very, very badly, I consider myself straight up lucky," Ms. Jamison said. "I have not sworn off marriage, but if I do wed, it will be to have a companion with whom I can travel and play parlor games in my old age."
Carol Crenshaw, 57, of Roswell, Ga., was divorced in 2005 after 33 years and says she is in no hurry to marry again.
"I'm in a place in my life where I'm comfortable," said Ms. Crenshaw, who has two grown sons. "I can do what I want, when I want, with whom I want. I was a wife and a mother. I don't feel like I need to do that again."
Similarly, Shelley Fidler, 59, a public policy adviser at a law firm, has sworn off marriage. She moved from rural Virginia to the vibrant Adams Morgan neighborhood of Washington, D.C., when her 30-year marriage ended.
"The benefits were completely unforeseen for me," Ms. Fidler said, "the free time, the amount of time I get to spend with friends, the time I have alone, which I value tremendously, the flexibility in terms of work, travel and cultural events."
Among the more than 117 million women over the age of 15, according to the marital status category in the Census Bureau's latest American Community Survey, 63 million are married. Of those, 3.1 million are legally separated and 2.4 million said their husbands were not living at home for one reason or another.
That brings the number of American women actually living with a spouse to 57.5 million, compared with the 59.9 million who are single or whose husbands were not living at home when the survey was taken in 2005.
Some of those situations, which the census identifies as "spouse absent" and "other," are temporary, and, of course, even some people who describe themselves as separated eventually reunite with their spouses.
Over all, a larger share of men are married and living with their spouse — about 53 percent compared with 49 percent among women.
"Since women continue to outlive men, they have reached the nonmarital tipping point — more nonmarried than married," Dr. Frey said. "This suggests that most girls growing up today can look forward to spending more of their lives outside of a traditional marriage."
Pamela J. Smock, a researcher at the University of Michigan Population Studies Center, agreed, saying that "changing patterns of courtship, marriage, and that we are living longer lives all play a role."
"Men also remarry more quickly than women after a divorce," Ms. Smock added, "and both are increasingly likely to cohabit rather than remarry after a divorce."
The proportion of married people, especially among younger age groups, has been declining for decades. Between 1950 and 2000, the share of women 15-to-24 who were married plummeted to 16 percent, from 42 percent. Among 25-to-34-year-olds, the proportion dropped to 58 percent, from 82 percent.
"Although we can help people 'do' marriage better, it is simply delusional to construct social policy or make personal life decisions on the basis that you can count on people spending most of their adult lives in marriage," said Professor Coontz, the author of "Marriage, a History: How Love Conquered Marriage."
Besse Gardner, 24, said she and her boyfriend met as college freshmen and started living together last April "for all the wrong reasons" — they found a great apartment on the beach in Los Angeles.
"We do not see living together as an end or even for the rest of our lives — it's just fun right now," Ms. Gardner said. "My roommate is someone I'd be thrilled to marry one day, but it just doesn't make sense right now."
Ms. Crenshaw said that some of the women in her support group for divorced women were miserable, but that she was surprised how happy she was to be single again.
"That's not how I grew up," she said. "That's not how society thinks. It's a marriage culture."
Elissa B. Terris, 59, of Marietta, Ga., divorced in 2005 after being married for 34 years and raising a daughter, who is now an adult.
"A gentleman asked me to marry him and I said no," she recalled. "I told him, 'I'm just beginning to fly again, I'm just beginning to be me. Don't take that away.' "
"Marriage kind of aged me because there weren't options," Ms. Terris said. "There was only one way to go. Now I have choices. One night I slept on the other side of the bed, and I thought, I like this side."
She said she was returning to college to get a master's degree (her former husband "didn't want me to do that because I was more educated than he was"), had taken photography classes and was auditioning for a play.
"Once you go through something you think will kill you and it doesn't," she said, "every day is like a present."
Ariel Sabar, Brenda Goodman and Maureen Balleza contributed reporting.
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LS,
"Furthermore, men have become sick to death of the bullshit that women put them through just to get laid every now and then. These men are voting with their feet by heading for the exits in record numbers. Also, a select few intelligent men have discovered the allure of overseas pussy through the use of Internet Message Boards like the International Sex Guide. Apparently, once you've experienced the joys of a relationship with an attractive, caring, sincere foreign woman, there's no going back to fat American cows."
Absolutely classic, you should have left it in the same type though...LOL
C1
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[QUOTE=George90]Listen to yourself! Don't you realize that when a man needs to work, spending time trying to get on party guest lists is a complete and utter waste????
That's what I meant about getting a better perspective! Regular guys need to work to earn money. We do not have time to find somebody in the "know" and chase down a party.[/QUOTE]
That depends on where you work. You have friends don't you? I kicked most of my "friends" to the curb. I have a few true friends that I have known since high school that I say in contact with. Only 1 of them is married, the others are single and somewhat sucessful at it.
One friend works at the Warner Bros studios in Burbank. Another used to work for Motown Records and I used to be a member of a very popular record pool (and plan to rejoin this year). I used to get on all kinds of guess list, been at parties where Frankie Knuckles Dj'ed (that wasn't cheap!) for example.
However you want to look at it LA is about money and connections. If you don't have money or connections you spend alot of time at home, alone. I just got tired of it frankly. Alot of fake arse women, alot of women that judge you before even talking too you. I just didn't want to deal with it anymore.
But that doesn't mean they aren't good FUCKS, they can be. I myself have never banged a famous woman. But several of my friends have banged famous and minor porn stars, flash in the pan recording artist and a few actresses.
Its very possible if you're willing to put up the effort. If your working for your early retirement, then yes I understand you don't have time to party and hope to party on the back end. Well that can be flawed as much as women fucking around with Alpha Males and Loosers until they hit 30, the "clock" starts runnin and like the Unknown poster said, starts looking for a "Beta" male to take care of her and her yet to be born children.
Nothing in life is guranteed and you need to live it. Women can be apart of it or don't have to be, its up to you. I can leave dealing with women at the drop of the hat and go straight with p4p, but I rather be a father and roll model for my children, when I have some and I know I can find a woman that would love me without the BS, without the lies and without the games.
Its just not likely to happen here, so I don't bother with American women for dating purposes, sex is another matter.
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Your Chances of Getting Rich....
....according to this article anyways.
[url]http://jmooneyham.com/your-true-chances-of-getting-rich.html[/url]
It's actually kind of depressing, but worth checking out.
Rock
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Interesting post from the genius @ russianwomen.wordpress.com
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I am constantly amazed at how our society has come to a point of repression to where we are not supposed to be free to use the words “Ugly” or “Fat”.
The road to HELL is always paved with “good” Feminist intentions. So in their zeal to further control our behavior by controlling our language they decide to invent new terms like “alternative appearance” or “appetite challenged”.
Communism was such a great experiment to see if these ideas for promoting “equality” were right. According to it.. if we could just make “everyone equal” we would all have a more harmonious and prosperous existence.
But what many people don’t realize is that to make everyone “equal” is to forcefully degrade everyone to the LOWEST COMMON DENOMINATOR.
Or in other words let’s force everyone to be lazy, un-motivated, jealous and ignorant. Once people reach this point the only way they can make themselves feel good is by tearing into someone else that has something they don’t like money, beauty, or a husband.
And then this turns into a vicious cycle.
You see when a virus like this is firmly embedded within any culture it leads to outright sabotage and “theft” on a massive scale so that no one can move up.
In Western Countries such as the US this “theft” manifests itself in the divorce courts where the majority of Men face the prospects of having their property, parental rights, and even their liberty taken from them.
I once heard of a ghetto term that perfectly illustrates this and it’s called “crabs”. If you’ve ever seen a bucket full of crabs then you know that once one crab tries to rise and leave the bucket.. all of the other crabs will drag this poor crab back down.
If anyone doesn’t believe me about how destructive this system of crab-like “equality” is then they should come to any ex-Soviet country and see how thoroughly it crushes a Man’s spirit and turns millions of people into the walking dead. Russia’s demographics and it’s very ability to hold the country together in the no so distant future is endangered because of this very reason.
Kill a person’s spirit and you will soon kill their bodies..
Try to make everyone “equal” within any society and watch it slide into the WORST that human beings and history has to offer.
THE SAME IS TRUE FOR BEAUTY AND UGLINESS.
So get this… Did you know that there is a growing movement primarily in the US to start promoting physically UGLY and FAT women as being on “Equal” physical terms with women who are beautiful.
Well guess what this means for you Guys?
It means that US and Western women who have any potential at beauty will start to physically degrade themselves in order to go with the new LOWERED STANDARD of beauty which becomes the NORM.
Just like with Communism our society starts to believe that we can alter nature’s most basic fundamental principals of CAUSE and EFFECT. ie. We try to cushion or remove people from experiencing the consequences of their own decision.. like getting FAT… and that encourages all other women to get laxed and to do the same…
And consequences always follows.
So US and Western women allow themselves to get Fat, to wear loose baggy “hood” style clothes everywhere, not shave their arm pits or legs, get large tattoos, have piercings in strange places, etc. etc.. you starting to get the picture?
Unfortunately I’m sure you do..
Because it’s all around you. American & Western Women are letting themselves go to complete dog do-do because they believe that’s this is the NORMAL thing to do. In this nasty cultural environment ALL WOMEN even naturally beautiful ones would face a strong and growing temptation “to blend in” with the rest.
AND just for added measure..
Just to make sure that we are forced to complete their DENIAL for them..
We are “supposed” to ignore this and “accept them” for who they are.. We are not supposed to say that the women that surround us are FAT and UGLY. If any of you guys DARE do this then be prepared for a Harassment complaint or even a Lawsuit.
Guys I hate to say this but..
Welcome to the New Feminist USSR.
So next time you are out and about.. take special notice of the Women around you. Look at how they dress and hear what they say.. and more importantly HOW they say it. Hopefully after reading this you will gain a whole new perspective on the sad state of affairs that our female counterparts are unconsciously wallowing in.
In anycase let me just close this off on a positive note by sharing a very old Russia proverb with you..
“Women fall in love with their ears..”
“While Men fall in love with their EYES..”
Gentlemen.. Certain Truths never change..
And THANK GOD Russian Women understand this.
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Rock Dog,
Being rich is not a magic passport to being happy. I used to make a stack of cash (at least it seemed to me) but was deeply unhappy.
I quit my job, traded it in for a similiar position paying 20% less but only gave me 5% of the stress. Hell of a deal, if you ask me. Overnight, my happiness level increased 3x.
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Another interesting post from russianwomen.wordpress.com
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I just read a great post from Mr. Rule 62 and he said the following,
“We are so beat up and bashed by feminist nonsense. I feel like an alien every time I go back to the States now. “
Well Mr. Rule 62.. I know EXACTLY how you feel about feeling like an Alien in your own country! Nothing like Feminist Political Correctness to ruin a Man’s day with.. or life..
Feminism is a POTENT Adversary in many ways. And in some key areas I would even consider them a “Worthy Adversary”.
Why in the world would I call them “Worthy” you might ask?
Because of this..
They Ingeniously CONTROL Our LANGUAGE and Our Thinking.
You see if the Feminist control the language that we speak in our society then they EASILY control the Society itself!
Let me explain this with a little history..
During the dark ages of the Soviet Union ANY RELIGION or SPIRITUALITY WAS COMPLETELY BANNED by the Communist State. Churches, Synagogues, Temples or any place of worship were either outright destroyed or condemned. Marxist-Leninism was the only belief allowed. In many ways it was it’s OWN RELIGION. A Religion of complete obedience and subservience to the power of an all powerful state. God did not exist.. because Marx, Lenin and Stalin were all cunning enough to realize that any belief in God would be competition for the belief that they themselves were Gods. We define this today as a “Cult of Personality”.
Any normal person would recognize this as a hellish nightmare come true. Since the Soviet State was so threatened by the idea of “God” they were ruthless and absolute in their desire to ban the very concept of God or the Human Soul. They EASILY did this on a public level by DEFINING and CONTROLLING the language that people were allowed to interact in.
Any Person who DARED to believe in God or Spirit was labeled either SUPERSTITIOUS, STUPID, or INSANE.
Years of Propaganda films were effectively used to manipulate public opinion to create a sense of deep shame for anyone who even spoke about God. Very public examples were made of religious believers being hauled off to receive “Psychiatric Treatment” for their “Mental Illness”. MILLIONS more were simply thrown into the Gulags which was an inevitable death sentence or just outright killed..
SO EFFECTIVE was the control of language through the “labeling” of people that 2 different social classes emerged. “Educated” and “Proper” people believed only in the State… While un-educated people believed in stupid superstitions such as God. This is the exact phrasing they used by the way. Even today 15 years after the collapse of Communism there is hardly any open discussion of spirituality or relgion in this society among the people. You have no idea how many YOUNG people I’ve met who have a carry over attitude from these days. YOUNG people who still believe it’s stupid to talk about such things. Or young adults who have literally said, “NO Way I don’t believe in such things!” to each other and to me personally.
And people wonder why this country is self-destructing demographically..
If I’m bringing up a very dark subject it’s for a very good reason.. As I’ve said in an earlier post.. Feminism is a very prominent branch from this root of terrible evil. It’s ideologies are variations of a Communist Utopian theme and it’s methods have frightening similarities to what was once done here.
Feminism has greatly succeeded in also creating a deep sense of SHAME for any man who DARES to reject them and exit their circle.
“You are a Loser!”
“You can’t find a girlfriend or a wife in your own country!”
“You obviously are an Awful man since you are rejected by any women you meet!”
“What is wrong with you?
“You are not a REAL man”
“Foreign women are desperate green card hounds!”
We Men most likely find ourselves shutting up instead of having to constantly fight and defend ourselves from this barrage of criticisms and “group think”.
We Men find ourselves needing to justify or apologize for our every move especially when it comes to Women.
Sound familiar? It’s all around us and usually your subconscious just says.. “to hell with it.. it’s not worth getting into a fight over.”
And in many ways you are right.. because most of the time it isn’t worth it to spend the energy.. especially when you believe that you are mostly all alone in thinking this way as a MAN.
But at that moment a part of your soul and a part of a free society has been lost.. And I believe on some level.. most of us men understand this and silently despair..
Gentlemen.. We have all been through this in one form or another.
We can choose to play defence to this for the rest of our lives and ultimately lose..
OR
We can go on the offense.. kick some serious ass.. and win BIG for ourselves, our families, and ultimately for society itself.
I know in my heart and soul that finding yourself a traditional loving & supportive wife is the most potent tool you have to combat this.
It’s that easy.. because this IS the solution.
Or to put it in another way..
Your happiness and joy as a Man is a stealthy all weather GPS guided high yield NUKE against the Fortress of Feminism..
And I know Damn well that the Feminist know this too.
So therefore, they will do ANYTHING they can to prevent you from gaining this either by squeezing the relationship market shut with political or legislative action or by pulling the “mail order bride” card out on you.
If we Men cannot stand-up to their attacks then we should just hang it up and wait for our number to be called to be admitted into their Gulags. Humiliating and demoralizing prisons which are cleverly disguised as things like non-objectionable restraining orders, child protective service investigations, financial disclosure interrogatories, mandatory sexual harassment & anger management workshops, and the list goes on and on. Within their fortress, these are all the weapons at their disposal and you cannot win fighting it within their walls because it is all designed to sap your strength and bleed you to death no matter if you cooperate or resist.
No gentlemen to me it is very clear. The only way you can win is to first find sanctuary in the loving arms of a woman who nourishes your soul and allows you to regain your strength and self-awareness. And with that ever increasing strength and clarity you will ultimately have no fear to take on the world. Deep down inside you know that this is what you were meant to be as a man. And if you think about the hero’s that you looked up to as a kid (or even now) I’m sure you will recall a man like this.
For me that hero was and forever will be Ronald Reagan.
I have studied this great man’s life and the great things he did for our world and I’m always awe-struck as to how he did it. How did he boldly know the future and how to get there when it seems that everyone said he was just a stupid old washed-up 2nd rate actor who worked with Bonzo the chimp. When they were screaming in the streets of Europe, New York and Washington DC.. screaming bloody murder that this man was about to lead us straight into the Apocalypse of World War III. Where did he get the courage and the fortitude that he seemed to so effortlessly wield against the endless onslaught of those who would do him harm including a nearly successful assassin? How did he deal with the un-imaginable pressure of literally changing the world at such a key moment in history?
The more I studied him the more I realized it was because he had one HELLUVA wife behind him. Nancy Reagan was his rock, his loving muse and his soul-mate. He simply had no fear because Nancy was always behind him.. Always loving him, always protecting him, and always there for him.
Ronald Reagan was once quoted as saying,
“You know in my position I am often in the company of many people.. perhaps millions that I need to reach out to.. But the only time I really get lonely is if Nancy leaves the room..”
When I gained this insight I realized that of all things life has to offer.. This is what I wanted the most..
And I believe you do too.
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Yet another winner from russianwomen.wordpress.com...If you ever been played, abused or used by an american woman, you'd know where this guy is coming from....
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A story of a female "player" after 40...
Many years ago when I was back in California I was driving up to a seminar and had volunteered to pick up another lady on a car pool list who was also attending it.
Let’s call this Woman “Carol”.
Carol looked like she was in her early to mid 40’s. Typical nature-mama look with disheveled clothes, tangled hair and a face that had an equally confused expression.
Frail and depressed were the two words that came to mind as I saw her for the first time.
After our greetings and introductions we later on settled into a conversation about Men, Women and Relationships..
Carol was sad and upset as she talked in a surprisingly candid and neurotic tone when she said…
I don’t understand why Men don’t want me anymore..
When I was a teenager in the 70’s I was a hot little girl and every man wanted me and I could completely do as I pleased. I could get him to buy me drinks, take me out for expensive dates, and buy me gifts. And then I could get rid of him and another Man would quickly do the same. But now that doesn’t happen anymore..
Now since I had vivid memories of being on the receiving end of this kind of evil sexual manipulation..
I just wanted to stop the car and say..
You Stupid *****!
You got what you deserved.. you wasted the best years of your life throwing Men out like pieces of trash when you should have used that precious time to find someone who would love you for the rest of your days.. You played with fire and now you’re going to pay the price until you are old and gray..
Part of me REALLY wished that I would have said that to her..
But the other part of me just said to relax and to let an unforgiving Mother Nature do the talking for me instead. As each passing year would creep forward for her it was obvious that Carol was condemned to a prison from which there was no escape.
It’s because she made the WORST Judgment a Woman can do in her Life..
She FAILED to realize that Lasting Love is MUCH MORE Valuable and HARDER to Find then any number of Men with a few more Dollars in their pockets.
However there was simply no need for me to tell her this important truth..
Because my silent response was far more punishing to her then what my words could ever say.
For all intensive purposes this woman had become addicted to what I call the “Prostitute’s Game”.
She foolishly thought that the free ride for her as a Woman would last forever..
She was like the jaded prostitute who judged all Men only by the size of their wallets and in doing this she actually turned herself into a mere commodity.
A commodity that was already cheap to start with.. but now at this point in her life even when it was “free” there were no more men willing to accept it.
(Maybe except for the bi-polar, alcoholic, and nearly homeless artist that she claimed she had sex with 6 months previously)
Now unfortunately there are large numbers of materialistic women around the world and in Russia who fit this description. I met one the other day who was trying to impress me with how much of a “Queen” she thought she was because of her looks and it reminded me of Carol’s story.
On one hand it’s hilarious to see foolish Women acting this way..
But on the other hand it’s a total tragedy.
Because they always assume that they will stay young and beautiful forever. And they just never consider the future which is always closer then they think when their looks and hopes have faded with the wind.
It reminds me of an airplane that is dropping into a steep dive.
* At what point does the pilot need to safely pull up before he crashes into the ground?
* At what point in these Women’s lives do they cross the point of no return..
* At what point in their “fun” and exploitative lifestyle did they just lose the last chance to have a Good Man in their life..
* Just who was this remaining Good Man who stepped onto the last train leaving her station when she thought that more would come..
Mother Nature can be so often cruel and unforgiving.
So many people just never realize the exact moment they consign their lives to Hell when it happens..
And insidiously enough for them.. it is usually within the addictive haze of some fleeting experience of “freedom and fun” that this moment actually happens.
Or in other words.. she just can’t stop doing it because she like it way too much.
(Kinda like how an addiction to cigarettes can kill you many years after your enjoyment of smoking them is done..)
And so many women like Carol never realize it until it’s just way too late.
In the US and in the West this point of no return for a Woman is typically somewhere in her mid to late 30’s.
While in the unforgiving and merciless dating environment that Russian Women face over here.. this range is more between her mid 20’s to early 30’s.
So especially when I see a small percentage of Russian Girls in their early to mid 20’s playing this exploitative game against Men..
A part of me just want’s to scream at them..
Hey you STUPID Girl!
Don’t you know that TIME is NOT on your side as a Woman! Keep on playing this game and you will be forced to play it FOREVER!
But then common sense takes over as I take a deep breath.. exhale.. and shut my lips..
And again I allow Mother Nature to take over and to speak for me with her silence..
A silence that speaks with so much more darkness and eloquence…
Like it did on that drive with Carol so many years ago.
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Rebuttal
This is a rebuttal, of sorts, to the article I referred to in my last post.
I was thinking about the content of that article and realized that the guy's whole thesis was based on one or two assumptions.
First, he makes the assumption that, to be rich, you need an income of 400k per year. This is all wrong. You don't have a high standard of living because you make a certain amount of money. The standard of living is based on what kind of things you can afford with the money you make.
For example, in New York, 400 thou doesn't go all that far. It will buy you an average house. You might be able to get laid 1000 times @ $400/per. It will buy 4 luxury cars at 100k each.... if you like to dine out, 400 grand could pay for 2000 nice meals with drinks.
But, what if you were somewhere else? Somewhere where these things didn't cost anywhere near as much..... would it then be possible to be considered rich (indeed to LIVE like you're rich) for far less money? Try some place in South America. A nice house might cost 80 to 100 thousand. By that measure, 100 grand a year would be enough to be rich. Eating out? $40 for 4 people.... times 2000 would be only 80 grand a year to be rich. Getting laid? $50 a pop in a lot of places..... by that measure you could live like a rich guy if you only made 50 grand a year.
I'm sure there's some places where some of the things I mentioned might cost more, but there's also quite a few places where those things are even cheaper.
Yet more motivation to expatriate.
Rock
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Excellent post, Wet Nose!
Wet Nose,
I posted about this very same situation several times last year. You just happened to do it a bit more eloquently than I did. If I were you, I’d feel the same way about Carol. In fact, I’d have a huge grin on the inside and the word that would come to mind is: “Karma”. Your idea of Mother Nature doing the speaking for you is worthy of a major-league high-five and a chest bump. Young women (WESTERN women) are besotted with their own sexual powers to the point that they A] feel it will last forever, B] don’t exercise it wisely when it is at its peak and C] they are actually SURPRISED that there comes a day when they can’t even get positive male attention. What comes around truly DOES go around.
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Enlightened Self-Interest
[QUOTE=Rock Dog]Try some place in South America. A nice house might cost 80 to 100 thousand. By that measure, 100 grand a year would be enough to be rich. Eating out? $40 for 4 people.... times 2000 would be only 80 grand a year to be rich. Getting laid? $50 a pop in a lot of places..... by that measure you could live like a rich guy if you only made 50 grand a year.[/QUOTE]I couldn't agree more.
If I can twice resist the temptation to do a call girl, it pays for my ticket to anywhere in South America.
One more time, and it pays for the apartment for a week or two.
For each additional time, I will have enough cash to get laid five times (minimum) in a county like Costa Rica or Colombia or Argentina.
So if I skip just five temptations here in the States, I can use the money saved to travel to an exciting monger destination, stay for a week or more, and get laid at least ten times with young, beautiful, appreciative GFE chicas.
And yet all of my family and friends are totally amazed that I can afford to travel outside the country a few times every year!
So while I am able to travel just enough to keep the juices flowing for now, my eventual goal is to someday take my savings, social security, pension and the equity from my home, and then retire as a rich man in chica paradise, wherever the U.S. dollar is strongest.
I literally cannot afford to "waste" any of my sperm in the good old U.S. of A. I am saving it all for the chicas who deserve it so much more.
I thank god every day that Jackson created this board and enlightened me about the world outside this sex prison of ours.
Thank you so much, Jackson.
I love you, man!!!
DB
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[QUOTE=Rock Dog]....according to this article anyways.
[url]http://jmooneyham.com/your-true-chances-of-getting-rich.html[/url]
It's actually kind of depressing, but worth checking out.
Rock[/QUOTE]
Rich is a relative term, someone in a Western country that makes an average income would be considered rich in another part of the world. I know a guy who works in McDonalds but goes to Thailand every year for a few months because his money goes that much farther.
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Sinanju, unfortunately I can't take credit for the piece I posted. I copied it from the blog I found at russianwomen.wordpress.com, written by an expat american who is living in Russia and absolutely loving it. But I have been in your position, and man, karma is a *****.
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Toxic Trophy Wife Syndrome
Guys: This is a forum that puts women in their place. We look for women to fuck becasue many Western women think they are too good for it. Even a couple of trolling hookers want their say as if they have something positive to contribute. Here is what can happen if you marry one of these fucktards and we all know examples.
Once, powerful men wanted trophy wives. But now, according to research to be published in the journal Labour Economics, the earnings gap between married couples is narrowing. Men today are more likely to want a dynamic high-flier.
A victory for feminism? Sadly not. The reason for this change, I believe, is that rich men have cottoned on to the sinister side of the stay-at-home wife: unless you marry an equal who's going to pay her own way, you will end up with a lazy, over-pampered slug.
Many men of my acquaintance have become deeply bitter and disappointed about how their wives have changed since they hung up their working wardrobes, and made the transition from trophy wife to toxic wife. These are university-educated women who work for a couple of years before harnessing themselves to a milch cow and "having it all".
In the 1970s, "having it all" meant effortlessly maintaining a beautiful home, raising perfect children, keeping the husband sweet and having some sort of career and financial independence. Today it's a whole new ball game.
"It's a perversion of the evolution theory: they have evolved into creatures whose function is to get the most for doing the least," an exhausted husband recently told me. "I wouldn't mind providing her with so much if she did something for me occasionally. She's never even cooked me a meal."
"She doesn't know the definition of sacrifice," said another angry husband. "Relationships are meant to be about compromise, but all she gives me are ultimatums."
"Can't you just divorce?" I asked.
"I'd lose everything I've worked for, including my children, and be paying her an indecent amount of money for life."
One irate husband remarked: "They not only become utterly vacant, they never entertain anyone outside of their small circle of other vacant wives. They become obsessed with perfection, grooming...in a word, boring."
"I have to take the children out of the house every Sunday morning and wander around with them," added another, "because my wife must have a lie-in. Sunday is the nanny's day off, you see."
"My wife," said a third, "gives over the whole of the weekend to what she calls 'me time'. Retreats, mini-breaks, a spa, even art classes...all of which I pay for. What do I get in return? Nothing."
There are five tell-tale signs that the trophy wife is turning toxic, apparently.
* She gives up work, ostensibly to care for the brood, only to pack the children off to boarding school or private day schools.
* She wants to move somewhere more rural/suburban that suits her idea of family life, yet location-wise is exhausting for her commuting husband.
* She demands wall-to-wall help, which nearly always includes an abused Filipina who works 12-14 hours a day.
* She refuses to fulfil the traditional contract of the non-working spouse in terms of doing anything for her husband.
* She expects her husband to fulfil the traditional but anachronistic male role (such as paying all the bills).
Here is a typical day outlined by one husband of a toxic wife:
5.30am: Husband leaves for work.
7.45am: Filipina brings wife tea in bed.
8am: Nanny takes children to school.
8.30am: Breakfast and the papers.
9.30am-4pm: God knows; possibly gym, spa, shopping, boozy lunch with friends, nap or massage.
4pm: Nanny collects children from school.
5.30pm: Nanny gives children tea and goes home.
7pm: Filipina gives children bath.
7.30pm: Wife goes to book group.
9pm: Husband returns and roots around for a ready meal.
10.30pm: Wife returns. Bed.
10.35pm: Sex? In your dreams.
The above timetable is hideously parasitic, and so is the woman behind it. The other day I nervously accepted an invitation for lunch with an old school friend who had married a rich banker.
She led me into her kitchen and held up a fork. "How shoddy is that? It has a disgusting piece of encrusted potato on it. She can't even unload a dishwasher. I'm going to have to sack her. And this morning she stacked the pink towels amongst the white ones. Can you believe it?"
The terrified Filipina maid was in the room with us. "Juanita!" snapped Olivia. "This is your last chance. Do you understand me? You'll be back in Manila in a week."
This was surreal. I had no idea real people lived like this. Yet, minute by agonising minute, it got worse. In her pre-toxic wife days, Olivia was amusing and droll. Now she spent her days rotting her brain with alcohol, and bossing an army of staff. I asked her, "Don't you miss your old job, your financial independence?"
"Why on earth would I want to struggle, feel tired and look old before my time?" she replied.
I left, suffering from toxic-wife rage. The outside world felt like a haven of normality. How I pitied these successful men who had naively hoped for a domestic goddess, only to end up with a diva.
But the game is over, toxic wives; your milch cows have seen the light. You are toxic, trouble and about to become extinct.
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Feminism is largely an American/Anglo creation, it seems to be limited to mostly Anglophone/philic countries. America is going to decline in power over the next two decades. With the USA's decline, feminism will lose. There is already proof that feminism is largely contributing to the decline of Western society with low birth rates and family problems contributing to social ills.
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Toxic Trophy Wives
Billy, I don't know what your problem is. You are one hell of a misogynist!
Most of us less hateful men fully realize what Western women are like these days. AND we take responsibility for our actions and decisions. WE ARE MEN AFTER ALL, NOT BOYS! I am not moved by your attempt to start a pity party. Those men said "I do" to those women. They were not forced to marry toxic wives. That they, and you, can't realize that you chose wrong, is your problem. The fault lies with men for choosing to marry such women. It does not lie with those women.
Next time, choose better. There is a whole foreign introductions industry devoted to helping us find better, non-toxic wives. Such wives are to be found in Latin America, Asia, and Eastern Europe. If you are too lazy or prejudiced to go find a non-toxic foreign wife, then you deserve all the misery you will get from marrying a Western woman. [B]It was YOUR choice![/B]
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[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]Feminism is largely an American/Anglo creation, it seems to be limited to mostly Anglophone/philic countries. America is going to decline in power over the next two decades. With the USA's decline, feminism will lose. There is already proof that feminism is largely contributing to the decline of Western society with low birth rates and family problems contributing to social ills.[/QUOTE]
You are correct. Unfortunately, I don't think most people will realize what you are saying. The US has a great deal of prestige in the world with regards to women's rights. We have a female Secretary of State, a female Speaker of the House, female Supreme Court justices, and now a female presidential candidate. Women of the world look to this as progress, and want to emulate it.
They don't see the fatherless households, the low marriage rates, the high amount of both male and female homosexuality, the increasing violence (ex. the recent murders in New Orleans), low academic achievement compared to Europe, and other social ills. Many countries of the world are going follow the same path. I fear the backlash from it.
Extremists like bin Laden will be able to point to our society and its failings and say "That is what happens when you follow the infidels.". Chavez in Venezuela is already saying something similar. He points to the fiasco in New Orleans and says "That is what US style capitalism brings you.".
If too many countries follow our lead, there will be few desirable places to find a wife, monger, or even just enjoy female company.
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Why More Anger?
George, You are attacking me here as well. I thought the article I posted would have hit a chord with many posters on this thread who are always b-tching about AW. I am glad I do not have you as a friend George as your advice seems to consist of "Life is shit", "tough sahit", "make yer bed and lie on it".
The idea is to have a good wife and fuck around as much as posible and to keep all women in their place. You mention Osama and Chavez. Both of them get laid a LOT.
Get the point?
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BULLSHIT!
Many European and even Latin American countries have FAR greater involvement by women in politics than the USA. You don't believe me, look at the makeup of the Colombian or Argentinian or Chilean congress compared to the US one. Chile doesn't have a female presidential CANDIDATE, it has a fucking female PRESIDENT! AND it's still easier to get laid in these places.
Back to the drawing board guys!
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Females in Government
You guys should try New Zealand if you think the US is bad,
We have a female priminister, a female cheif justice, a department of Womans Affairs, a female Governer General and a transexual member of parliament.
You think you got bad in the states.
At least if Hilary get in you know she has her husband helping her out.
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Also in Asian places such as The Phillipines have greater involvement of women.
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The Phillipines is practically a colony of the USA. There are some European countries where women are near the top of the political system, most of these are generally heavily influenced by the US. The way things are going, America is going to become more a more inward society in the future. There are many countries where women's rights are unheard of and some of them are going to be the biggest powers of the new century. China is one such example, and even in the ever more modern China women are lower than men. Japan is another country where women have lower status. European countries like the UK, France, Germany, Scandinavia have the same level of feminism as the US but go to Eastern and Southern Europe, women have lower status, Italy and Spain have the lowest divorce rates in the Western world.
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[QUOTE=Billy Ibrox] George, You are attacking me here as well. I thought the article I posted would have hit a chord with many posters on this thread who are always b-tching about AW. [/QUOTE]B.I. - Despite your slightly amusing but predictable polemics in other threads, your "toxic wives" post was pretty insightful, right down to their daily routines. (In fact, are you sure you're not speaking from first-hand experience?)
In Dubai, I know of too many western women who live their idle lives (and mistreat their literally poor, powerless and hard-working Filipina maids) *exactly* as you describe. Not all of them, but too many. These women are basically lower-middle class, acting upper class when they suddenly have a few extra dollars and too much time on their hands. They have nothing more to do than have coffee mornings, tanning salon and hair-peroxiding sessions while complaining, as you say, that the maid simply must go because she didn't fold the towels correctly. Desperate housewives. Partly their husbands' fault for giving them blank checks instead of reality checks.
[QUOTE=Billy Ibrox] The idea is to have a good wife and fuck around as much as posible. [/QUOTE]Works for me. ;)
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america will never ever..i repeat never ever will decilne ever.
and i'm not an american. just look back to the history,,,,what made ameircan so great today..is 'cos your great grandfather sacrificed their life for the land.
the foundation of your country is rock solid..you guys still have that giving mentality.
do you think anyone can win against sacrifice..be it bush or hillary or all the bad boys you can think of and make them president..but still....the land is free and the giving boys will stand up to balence it out.
yeah..hate gates for his shrewd business ethics..but at the end of the day ..he is still "giving" all that he has got...may be he is not the best guy to judge..but how about...buffet..ohh..how about rockfeller..he is dead..but boy can he give..i wish we have guys like that back in my country.
america is still the largest charity giver in the whole wide world.
if all guys are bad and the countries on a decline..how come year after year..you guys give..it just shows that..ther are still more good guys out there than bad guys in america.
i never read in my history books on mayan or incan or egypt civilization or the great queen of england "giving" so much back to the country.
this is americation civilization folks..unless this planet earth turns around or we go to the next age..america will rule.
this century is for greater co-orporation, community, sharing, trust and taking along your peer, making everyone stand equal...i can't think of any country right now who has the potential to knock of america.
china is just copying the stuff from the west..it does not have anything of its own...yeah i remember gun powder and kite was discovered in china way back then jackie chan was in the forbidden city sent out to get princess pepe from carson city and met wild west owen wilson along the way and they both became best pals and knocked the bad guys..yeah nothing more to show off from china
they want to rule the world not give anything back to the world.
finally, does anyone here thinks we could have got internet from any country on earth than america..others would have kept it for themselves not give away anything but not america it gave to the people the greatest discovery of mankind. thanks you america for that !
[quote=cbgbconnisur]feminism is largely an american/anglo creation, it seems to be limited to mostly anglophone/philic countries. america is going to decline in power over the next two decades. with the usa's decline, feminism will lose. there is already proof that feminism is largely contributing to the decline of western society with low birth rates and family problems contributing to social ills.[/quote]
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Toxic Trophy Wife Syndrome
I read this and thought well you know just thought about it, glad that you managed to make the break from this toxic shock. Need to get back to the days that men were men instead of this doing all for their wives. There is a limit and it is a game, if you play by thier rules and up the game every once in a while you can keep em in their place.
I had a lucky escape but now I'm with someone who I can deal with and manage to play the game she knows where she stands in the grand scheme of things and keeping that and making it work is what it is about. Don't let them hen peck you. Pick away at them as they pick away at you. I'm sure that you can think on ways to make think twice about doing ya over.
Working out how they tick and then keeping it on a short leash works. As I said I don't get what I want or I'm unhappy then I sure as hell make it miserable for her but I keep it in the confines of the game and make sure that she can't get back at me or cite me for anything wrong.
Just make sure that you keep enought of your life seperate that she can't mess up and you will be laughing. As long as she knows that she don't control you 100% then she will be kept keen. Make like you like her but your not going to stay with her if she don't keep her end of the deal.
Goes to bed and you have to look after the kids yeah right thats the mark to make as much god damn noise as you can and you make a mess where you can to annoy the hell out of her. She will soon learn thats not a viable game plan, it hurts her more than you! Just make sure that she knows where she stands.
Toxic Waste. You dispose of this in a proper and safe manner!
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Oh boy...
[QUOTE=Born Loser 5]
The foundation of your country is rock solid..You guys still have that giving mentality.[/QUOTE]
Ever heard of giving it all away? Or there is a sucker born every minute? Most of the rest of the world has, which is why Westerners overpay and hand over even more money on the slightest sob story or temper tantrum.
Maybe they are just too used to doing it at home :).
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Yeah I dunno who'se giving and who'se receiving anymore, but you'd have to be a complete fucking idiot to think that America still has what it once had that made it great. My hope is that we will get it back but I'm not going to put all of my money on it either!
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Toxic Wuves
[QUOTE=Piper1]B.I. - Despite your slightly amusing but predictable polemics in other threads, your "toxic wives" post was pretty insightful, right down to their daily routines. (In fact, are you sure you're not speaking from first-hand experience?)
In Dubai, I know of too many western women who live their idle lives (and mistreat their literally poor, powerless and hard-working Filipina maids) *exactly* as you describe. Not all of them, but too many. These women are basically lower-middle class, acting upper class when they suddenly have a few extra dollars and too much time on their hands. They have nothing more to do than have coffee mornings, tanning salon and hair-peroxiding sessions while complaining, as you say, that the maid simply must go because she didn't fold the towels correctly. Desperate housewives. Partly their husbands' fault for giving them blank checks instead of reality checks.[/QUOTE]Piper, I am very careful about women I keep longer than a fuck session. Hookers don't count as God made them for one reason only. The ideal women is the girl next door who understands your make up and is into partnership, not this kind of shit. I don't take shit like this from women but I have met quite a few in my day. The problem with these ones is they drive us away from the good ones. And, no, the good ones do not include LBFMs or their AW sisters.
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I'll keep this short and sweet about the U.S of A. If you have alot of money and I'm talking a networth of at least $10million+++...........America is probably the best country in the world to live. IMHO if you are middle class(lower, middle, upper) you are screwed bigtime. Madison Ave does a good job of promoting BS to the middle class that if you work hard enough anyone can live the American dream....total BS.
Here's an interesting article: What are your true chances of getting rich in America??? [url]http://jmooneyham.com/your-true-chances-of-getting-rich.html[/url]
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over there
[QUOTE=Astor Bryan]I'll keep this short about the U.S.A. If you have alot of money and I'm talking a networth of at least $10million+++...........America is probably the best country in the world to live. The middle class(lower and upper) will always get screwed.[/QUOTE]
That's why I'm looking at other places to retire. Thailand and Phils prices are great, but asian women are kinda skinny to me. Like bangin a 2x4...
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[QUOTE=Naked Gunz]Asian women are kinda skinny to me. Like bangin a 2x4.[/QUOTE]Just hammer away son. Also, pussy alone should not cause you to relocate.
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[QUOTE=Naked Gunz]asian women are kinda skinny to me. Like bangin a 2x4...[/QUOTE]
Whoa not necessarily......I'm seeing an attractive 30yrs+ Chinese lady right now and she's a complete freak in the bedroom.
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I bang Asian (not Asian-American...bananas all) women exclusively, and will never go back! Best sex ever.
Sorry you've been conditioned to accept AW porkers. You're welcome to them all.
To me, pussy is the ONLY reason to relocate!
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[QUOTE=Astor Bryan]Madison Ave does a good job of promoting BS to the middle class that if you work hard enough anyone can live the American dream....total BS.[/QUOTE]Hahaha. I think that George Carlin would agree with you entirely! check it out on youtube, his piece on "owners of this country" is a must see! [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yL6ULruYjNA[/url]
Back to the topic, to me, a pussy is a pussy, it comes in all sizes and different colors and always tastes like heaven (well, hopefully) LOL.
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The Deadly 1920 Trick
dear gentlemen,
it is safe to say that the reason why most of us attend to this forum is because we want to fuck more
meat.it might be a good thing, however, what is the use of "fucking more meat" if we not also have a good
life at the same time. such as comfortable living conditions, security, peace of mind, reasonable health,
good company and control over our affairs.
travelling to far-away "****-ries" has some merits and can make us more independent from us females, we
certainly gain some freedom and immunity from manipulation by sex or the lack of it. i can testify for it
because it works. but there are various hardships on the way and the benefits are only temporary, needing
to top-up frequently. all this has made me realise that our real work is at home, in our own "****-ry",
(wherever we may live). (notice the spelling? it is no mistaik.)
to improve our conditions right here and regain control as we used to have long ago.
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the writer proposes that year 1920, the enactement of the 19th amendment to the us constitution was the end
of us democracy. for the purpose of eventually doubling the income tax-base and in an instant to create a
mindless, screaming mass of voters/consumers who can be most easily and predictably controlled by well
aimed propaganda: "american women were given voting rights and could be nominated for position in
government". thereby "real" democracy died.
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appearances
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this mindless mass of most easily manipulatable consumers/voters -who only care about their appearance and
the outside appearance of things- comprise at least 51% of the population. they can be most easily
hypnotised by flashing bright images in their faces, are hysterical, insecure, paranoid, emotionally
driven, unable to think logically by nature and are totally indecisive.
by appealing to this mass of "puppets", any senseless policy can be passed -by the sheer number of female
voters, (51%++) - and yet bear the sign of "democracy". even though the result is always easily
predictable. they will vote for it.
by flashing the images of "increased police, sick-care, child-welfare", no matter how stupid the general
agenda is, they will vote for it. we are not even asked because 51%++ already decides without us.
surely you will realize this. the minimum you can do is that you abstain from any voting at all. why
bother? it will make no difference at all. do they think you are stupid?
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under this regime, by flashing selected graphic images in the faces of mindless public (51%++), all kinds
of hysterias can be created such as: aids hystery, drug hystery, cancer hystery, smoking hystery, terror
hystery, and so on.
all these, supported by the screaming masses, create absolutely huge profits to selected groups. the writer
proposes that without the "huge screaming" of the mislead masses none of these would be issues of any
importance. the writer can individually dismiss all of these artificial hysterias as "false". detailed
discursion may follow later but surely, instinctively we all know that they are false. and yet they roll in
absolutely astronomical revenues by keeping the masses of 51%++ screaming ever louder.
the writer also proposes that they are deliberately antagonising men and urge us for aggression, using open
and covert education for this purpose from a young age. purposefully creating ideals of "individual
heroes", thereby reducing our chances of ever agreeing, especially in matters concerning females.
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even though the problems are evident the writer admits that nothing can be done against it on the short
term. most (but not all) nations of this planet run by the same "global syndicate" and the "screaming,
mindless masses of 51%+" have become the principal building pillar of global economy. as well as
representing more than 51% of voters they are the spenders, moneyspinners and even principal tax-payers.
so, reducing their influence is not a matter of great urgency anywhere. quite to the contrary, previously
cautious and conservative "****-ries" (now you know the reason for the alternative spelling) are opening up
to "women rule", in order to increase spending and spin the fast cash.
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but why is it "bad"?
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if it hasn't occured to you before then ask first: "why did a forum like this have happen?" with 150,000+
subscribers, and the multitude of other forums and the legions of sex-traveller men just like you. was that
by chance or for a reason?
under the present "regime", problems are treated the usual female way: on the surface, by scraping the top
a bit and giving it an attractive paint-job. this pleases 51%+ of (legally equal) voters and does the job
fine. however temporarily. problems resurface soon with increased ferocity and again oppressed by even
increased forces. in the meantime of course earning solid profits and comfortable living to various
industries that specialise in "fighting".
yet it still pleases at least 51%+, so no probs because the other 49% don't make any difference. plus they
are so deprived of the "object of their pleasure" that they do anything for minimal favours. in effect the
screaming, mindless 51% easily becomes 51%++++++.
in this fashion police suppresses uprisings and "irregular behaviour", bacterias and viruses are "killed",
tumors cut out, surface players of drug distribution are regularly skimmed (while demand kept all high),
police are featured as "heroes", new "magical" face creams and "no effort" weightloss programs are sold by
the truckload. looks very rosy, let's all rejoice.
new infections crop up, new tumors, masses screaming bloody murder at anyone looking different, demanding
more security cameras for "safety". and new lies. in fact we all rot in shit while looking very happy on
the surface and we are supposed to smile and cheer when the national flag is raised. we are a bunch of
mindless morons. how happy...
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the plain truth of today:
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salivating, pumped-up "pussimen
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mindless, screaming mass of "face-painting ladies" 51%+, closely followed by salivating, pumped up
"pussymen" running around in circles and screaming -"oh no, another bacteria, another deadly virus,
terrrrorists all over the place, we all gonna diiiiie now, will someone please save us, oh, oh...dear."
as you have probably figured it out by now: without screaming ladies (51%+++) and "pumped-up pussimen"
there would be no issue of virus, tumor or terror. as it was explained to you above you have no vote at all
any more. then why do you bother voting at all? and if you are not one of the "pumped-up pussymen" then
please stop the screaming about aids, terrorists, global warming and other ridiculous shit. if you cannot
live as a man then why bother. you might as well be taken by any of the above and it will be no loss at all.
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not equal, by nature
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wear a t-shirt or something: "i am not equal with women". refuse to vote until votes are taken away from
the "puppets". buy a ticket to phnom penh where they are still treated like common shit. you can make up
your own list. just don't believe in "magic" treatments like women do. this curse will take a long time to
go away.
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conclusion:
so, yes this tumor has been growing since at least 1920. possibly longer. the russians made them "equal"
first in 1918 to fully support their totalitarian system. easiest handle is where the mind is absent. the
us had no choice, but to follow course. now, being an economic "super-****-ry" the basic condition for
trading with any other ****-ry is that they liberate the shit. otherwise no deal. surely you knew all this
already just didn't know how to say it. if we were just whingeing about it to exercise our mouths then we
would be like women. the difference is that we understand and act accordingly. pointless whingeing is for
women. tell us, what is the list of things that "you" can do?
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stop screaming
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the first point on your list will be: "from today i will think, and stop screaming like ladies and
pussi-men." -you see? aids, terror and the like already disappeared.
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stop being a "hero"
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the second point:"from today i will stop fighting. especially in front of women. if we fight they just
think shit of all of us. no matter how they urge me to be violent, i will say: no to violence against men."
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dude..this has to be one of the top post i have read in recent years..hats off..
[quote=that asshole]dear gentlemen,
it is safe to say that the reason why most of us attend to this forum is because we want to fuck more
meat.it might be a good thing, however, what is the use of "fucking more meat" if we not also have a good
life at the same time. such as comfortable living conditions, security, peace of mind, reasonable health,
good company and control over our affairs.
travelling to far-away "****-ries" has some merits and can make us more independent from us females, we
certainly gain some freedom and immunity from manipulation by sex or the lack of it. i can testify for it
because it works. but there are various hardships on the way and the benefits are only temporary, needing
to top-up frequently. all this has made me realise that our real work is at home, in our own "****-ry",
(wherever we may live). (notice the spelling? it is no mistaik.)
to improve our conditions right here and regain control as we used to have long ago.
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the writer proposes that year 1920, the enactement of the 19th amendment to the us constitution was the end
of us democracy. for the purpose of eventually doubling the income tax-base and in an instant to create a
mindless, screaming mass of voters/consumers who can be most easily and predictably controlled by well
aimed propaganda: "american women were given voting rights and could be nominated for position in
government". thereby "real" democracy died.
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appearances
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this mindless mass of most easily manipulatable consumers/voters -who only care about their appearance and
the outside appearance of things- comprise at least 51% of the population. they can be most easily
hypnotised by flashing bright images in their faces, are hysterical, insecure, paranoid, emotionally
driven, unable to think logically by nature and are totally indecisive.
by appealing to this mass of "puppets", any senseless policy can be passed -by the sheer number of female
voters, (51%++) - and yet bear the sign of "democracy". even though the result is always easily
predictable. they will vote for it.
by flashing the images of "increased police, sick-care, child-welfare", no matter how stupid the general
agenda is, they will vote for it. we are not even asked because 51%++ already decides without us.
surely you will realize this. the minimum you can do is that you abstain from any voting at all. why
bother? it will make no difference at all. do they think you are stupid?
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under this regime, by flashing selected graphic images in the faces of mindless public (51%++), all kinds
of hysterias can be created such as: aids hystery, drug hystery, cancer hystery, smoking hystery, terror
hystery, and so on.
all these, supported by the screaming masses, create absolutely huge profits to selected groups. the writer
proposes that without the "huge screaming" of the mislead masses none of these would be issues of any
importance. the writer can individually dismiss all of these artificial hysterias as "false". detailed
discursion may follow later but surely, instinctively we all know that they are false. and yet they roll in
absolutely astronomical revenues by keeping the masses of 51%++ screaming ever louder.
the writer also proposes that they are deliberately antagonising men and urge us for aggression, using open
and covert education for this purpose from a young age. purposefully creating ideals of "individual
heroes", thereby reducing our chances of ever agreeing, especially in matters concerning females.
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even though the problems are evident the writer admits that nothing can be done against it on the short
term. most (but not all) nations of this planet run by the same "global syndicate" and the "screaming,
mindless masses of 51%+" have become the principal building pillar of global economy. as well as
representing more than 51% of voters they are the spenders, moneyspinners and even principal tax-payers.
so, reducing their influence is not a matter of great urgency anywhere. quite to the contrary, previously
cautious and conservative "****-ries" (now you know the reason for the alternative spelling) are opening up
to "women rule", in order to increase spending and spin the fast cash.
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but why is it "bad"?
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if it hasn't occured to you before then ask first: "why did a forum like this have happen?" with 150,000+
subscribers, and the multitude of other forums and the legions of sex-traveller men just like you. was that
by chance or for a reason?
under the present "regime", problems are treated the usual female way: on the surface, by scraping the top
a bit and giving it an attractive paint-job. this pleases 51%+ of (legally equal) voters and does the job
fine. however temporarily. problems resurface soon with increased ferocity and again oppressed by even
increased forces. in the meantime of course earning solid profits and comfortable living to various
industries that specialise in "fighting".
yet it still pleases at least 51%+, so no probs because the other 49% don't make any difference. plus they
are so deprived of the "object of their pleasure" that they do anything for minimal favours. in effect the
screaming, mindless 51% easily becomes 51%++++++.
in this fashion police suppresses uprisings and "irregular behaviour", bacterias and viruses are "killed",
tumors cut out, surface players of drug distribution are regularly skimmed (while demand kept all high),
police are featured as "heroes", new "magical" face creams and "no effort" weightloss programs are sold by
the truckload. looks very rosy, let's all rejoice.
new infections crop up, new tumors, masses screaming bloody murder at anyone looking different, demanding
more security cameras for "safety". and new lies. in fact we all rot in shit while looking very happy on
the surface and we are supposed to smile and cheer when the national flag is raised. we are a bunch of
mindless morons. how happy...
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the plain truth of today:
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salivating, pumped-up "pussimen
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mindless, screaming mass of "face-painting ladies" 51%+, closely followed by salivating, pumped up
"pussymen" running around in circles and screaming -"oh no, another bacteria, another deadly virus,
terrrrorists all over the place, we all gonna diiiiie now, will someone please save us, oh, oh...dear."
as you have probably figured it out by now: without screaming ladies (51%+++) and "pumped-up pussimen"
there would be no issue of virus, tumor or terror. as it was explained to you above you have no vote at all
any more. then why do you bother voting at all? and if you are not one of the "pumped-up pussymen" then
please stop the screaming about aids, terrorists, global warming and other ridiculous shit. if you cannot
live as a man then why bother. you might as well be taken by any of the above and it will be no loss at all.
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not equal, by nature
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wear a t-shirt or something: "i am not equal with women". refuse to vote until votes are taken away from
the "puppets". buy a ticket to phnom penh where they are still treated like common shit. you can make up
your own list. just don't believe in "magic" treatments like women do. this curse will take a long time to
go away.
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conclusion:
so, yes this tumor has been growing since at least 1920. possibly longer. the russians made them "equal"
first in 1918 to fully support their totalitarian system. easiest handle is where the mind is absent. the
us had no choice, but to follow course. now, being an economic "super-****-ry" the basic condition for
trading with any other ****-ry is that they liberate the shit. otherwise no deal. surely you knew all this
already just didn't know how to say it. if we were just whingeing about it to exercise our mouths then we
would be like women. the difference is that we understand and act accordingly. pointless whingeing is for
women. tell us, what is the list of things that "you" can do?
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stop screaming
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the first point on your list will be: "from today i will think, and stop screaming like ladies and
pussi-men." -you see? aids, terror and the like already disappeared.
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stop being a "hero"
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the second point:"from today i will stop fighting. especially in front of women. if we fight they just
think shit of all of us. no matter how they urge me to be violent, i will say: no to violence against men."
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the end[/quote]
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Hey guys,
I heard about some legislation (in Florida and a couple of other states) where, if a guy finds out he's not the father of the wife's kids... he doesn't have to make support payments. It's supposedly coming through for more states in the future.
I read about it in a very recent issue of Time magazine. Has anyone else heard about this? It only seems fair that, if some other guy has been porking your wife, you should be able to get rid of her without having to pay support for someone else's kids.
Rock
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[QUOTE=Rock Dog]Hey guys,
I heard about some legislation (in Florida and a couple of other states) where, if a guy finds out he's not the father of the wife's kids... he doesn't have to make support payments. It's supposedly coming through for more states in the future.
I read about it in a very recent issue of Time magazine. Has anyone else heard about this? It only seems fair that, if some other guy has been porking your wife, you should be able to get rid of her without having to pay support for someone else's kids.
Rock[/QUOTE]
It was reported in todays Miami Herald. I am pasting some paragraphs. The key aspect of the law, as I understand it, is that the woman must have committed fraud. That means she must have misrepresented the pregnancy (lied about it) to her husband.
"Florida's Supreme Court unanimously ruled Thursday that the Fort Lauderdale boat worker missed a one-year deadline to file a claim against his estranged wife, Margaret J. Parker, for fraudulently representing his paternity when a court ordered him to pay support for the 3-year-old boy in 2001.
Parker didn't even know he wasn't the father until 2003 -- long after the deadline expired -- through a paternity test he ordered when his ex-wife sued him for failure to pay about $1,200 monthly in child support.
In delving into the often-vicious world of divorce and paternity cases, the high court failed to discuss Florida's ''paternity fraud'' law that the Legislature passed last year, when male lawmakers inveighed against deceptive women, and female legislators fretted about callous men abandoning children.
The new law gives men the right to avoid child-support payments if they gain ''newly discovered evidence'' that the child isn't theirs. The law requires the man to file a court petition 90 days after getting the paternity test.
Whether it will apply to Parker's long-standing case or other old paternity cases in the courts is unclear, said his Miami lawyer, Scott A. Lazar, who is considering filing a challenge under the new law. Lazar said he's sure the law will help blunt what would be a bad result from Thursday's court ruling."
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[QUOTE=Rock Dog]It only seems fair that, if some other guy has been porking your wife, you should be able to get rid of her without having to pay support for someone else's kids.[/QUOTE]Well I certainly hope so. Actually he should be able to seek Divorce and get more than half of the Goods. Women should not get rewarded anything if they cheat. (same goes for men).
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[QUOTE=Rock Dog]It only seems fair that, if some other guy has been porking your wife, you should be able to get rid of her without having to pay support for someone else's kids.[/QUOTE]
Note that that is EXACTLY the current situation under the current laws!!! The guy in the case IS paying to support a child that is not his!!
Rock,
You seem to be operating under the illusion that family law in the US is intended to be 'fair'!
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Best interest of the child..
The court will deem it's in the best interest of the child that you continue to pay support if you have started to ,regardless of paternity, vice no one paying any support at all. There will NEVER be a male pill. Your choice is latex or a good doctor with a knife....
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[QUOTE=Yogin]I bang Asian (not Asian-American...bananas all) women exclusively, and will never go back! Best sex ever.
Sorry you've been conditioned to accept AW porkers. You're welcome to them all.
To me, pussy is the ONLY reason to relocate![/QUOTE]AWs are far far far inferior and can never compare to the women of other countries when it comes to sex. I can say that because I have banged women from over 15 different countries and AWs are the least enjoyable experience of all (fast food quality though exceptions may exist). Now I take atleast 5 trips a year abroad and even here I look for ethnic/asian/europeans. Why waste our juices on something like AW.
I think it's the problem of our society. Society made AW the beast they are. Let's begin with a simple thing like language. Who wants to get fucked ? Who wants to get screwed ? Who wants to get creamed ? Funny it may sound but it does go deep into the unconscious and sex becomes a "bad" thing for AW from an early age as they listen to their dad, brothers and friends. They do sex because their body demands but deep inside they think, they are getting fucked. Quality of the sex goes down. Situation is only worsened by stupid magazines. I flip through once at a hair salon. It had an article on the front page: 7 must have things for women. Number 2 was a dildo.
Then this is this "AGE" thing. This has gone ridiculous. I try to bang older women here and younger ones outside the country. I like both. It's just that so little effort is required to get a good looking older women here than UGLY YOUNG one. Young ones do like us but just that her friends and the whole society come down on her asking " what are you doing with that old man ?" As I said it has gone beyond being ridiculos.
Then there is this career thing. How can a woman do a full time job, cook, and take care of kids. Sex has to be sacrificed. Family encourages: " you can do better" Freinds encourage "you can do better".. Her ambitions and expectations go sky high. poor thing pushes hard only to realize that attention she was getting when she was 21 has vanished into thin air faster than the blink of the eyes, Dad is busy with other things and Bothers screwing women. She tries in vain to "make love" with some "SUPER MAN" as opposed to getting "fucked". Problem is that the there is no such thing as a "SUPER MAN". She keeps looking, keeps searching. Finally finds her love in a cat or a dog, takes depression medicins and becomes bitter.
Then when we hit on her some day somwhere, she drives us to Asia or Europe or Brazil !! I haven't seen such a strong repulsive force LOL.
AWs can be great friend however. When you meet them, tell them casually that you have a girlferiend in China, Japan or Brazil etc. She will open up and tell you things you may have never heard before. I, in fact, feel sorry for them and our society is to blame. It's a miserable sad life when she is crossing 40 and there is nothing but a cat at home and no prospects outside the country.
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i read this a while ago somewhere but i find the article a great reading that's why i kept it:
i have found that american women are the most reverse sexist women in the world. they think their rep001 doesnt stink; it smells like ice cream. they expect men to pay for the privilege of being in their presence. they have the most rights of any human beings to ever live on the planet, yet they are still unhappy. they believe men conspire to pay them 76 cents on the dollar, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] them, sexually harass them. they think that cooking or doing anything else nice for a man is slavery. so they will refuse to do it. they believe being argumentative and confrontational is what makes a strong woman. they prefer the frat boys, rich kids in bmws, and bad boys while theyre young and in their prime, then when they have 3 kids, sagging breasts, stretchmarks, varicose veins, they expect the nice men they ignored in their youth to come be a surrogate daddy to kids who arent his. american women complain that men are too aggressive in their approach. but if american women actually did their half of the work (initiating a conversation every once in a while or asking men out); if american women knew how to flirt (and meant it instead of flirting for attention then turning the guy down); if american women actually knew how to flirt instead of acting like cowards, then men wouldnt have to jump at the slightest sign of interest.
american women think their sexuality is worth more than men's. i know cause i've been to europe where women exchange sex.in- exchange for sex. here the women want to be impressed with both social and financial status before they will have sex with a man.
their ideal man is a rich excon/thug. they don't realize that these two are polar opposites. you hear women saying "i like bad boys", and in the same breath they will say "i just want a man who won't treat me like crap. " newsflash, sister. a bad boy will treat you like crap.
basically women don't have any social constraints on their behavior, because that is "oppressive", but it was for the good of everyone that women's behavior was regulated. men have violence, and there are laws against it. women have emotional terrorism, attention-whoring, acceptable prostitution, etc. these can not be legislated against. there must be social constraints against them. american society has convinced women that they are always right; that anything bad is a man's fault. so women will act free to do as they wish, with no consideration for anyone else.
i've come to realize that most american women have a princess mentality. this manifests itself when they need their "attention fix. " their parents fully convinced them that they were entitled to everything, and that few men are good enough for what they have.
american women will stare at you from across the room, smile, and gawk at you for hours. then when you approach one they will say they have a boyfriend. they will come up to you on a daily basis, rub your arm, smile and say hi,. then when you ask them to hang out they will say you got the wrong idea. they will initiate a conversation with you every time they see you for weeks, as if they're interested (yes i'm aware that it doesnt always mean theyre interested). they will exchange numbers with you and say "call me anytime. " then when you call and leave messages they won't answer. they won't call you either. or they will talk to you or date you a few times and you'll think everything's fine. then she will stop taking your calls. the next time you see her she's got her fat nose up in the air, laughing at you, as if she were some highly sought after prize.
since the victorian age, in anglo societies (us, uk, canada, oz, nz), women were put on a pedestal because they were the mothers of future generations. this was a probably a good idea at the time, because up to one-third of women died during child birth. so this inspired men's natural chilvarous nature to protect women. it is ok to put women on a pedestal as long as they are going to adhere to the rules of sexual constitution. not sleeping around. once a woman starts to sleep around, then her sex isn't of higher value than men's. the whole reason for putting women on a pedestal was because they would be mothers and they werent having sex with many men. the moment that women became sexually liberated, putting women on a pedestal should have been eliminated. but unfortunately women still hold onto the old notions that their sexuality is worth more than men's simply because theyre women. so they arent interested in a man who's on their level. no, a normal man is invisible. women want men who are many levels above them. but the women don't want to provide anything in return except for sex. this is in no way an equal partnership if one person brings more to the table and does most of the work while the other brings nothing and does no work.
as a result, women have almost nothing to offer men. except sex. they are no longer women, but instead walking caricatures of men in women's bodies. women are fully convinced of their moral superiority. just try disagreeing with one, especially if your opinion is not politically correct. you will find that you are no longer entitled to your own opinoin. in fact, you're an ignorant bastard, and you'd better change your opinion to fall in line with hers. these women have no problem with nagging, shaming, guilt tripping, insulting, withholding affection, etc to get their way. this is what happens when you convince women that they are always right; that women can do no wrong; that women are the ones who are really 'fair, just' etc.
the whole concept that a man should buy a woman a ring worth two months of his salary is further evidence of how degraded society is and how spoiled women are. in every other society, the father has to pay a dowry for the husband to accept his daughter. in america, women expect some diamond so she can impress her friends. that's fine, but is she going to spend $12, 000 on her husband? is she going to put $12, 000 down on the house?
i know some guys think certain western women are just as bad as american women. but in europe, being male isn't seen as being a crime as it is here in the states. women will automatically become more materialistic when their nation acculumates wealth (even in eastern countries, women's number one past-time is shopping). what is not natural is women thinking they are entitled to something just because they're women; that they are morally superior; that they should be catered to; that the man should always pay; that they are entitled to all the benefits of equality with none of the responsibilities and men should treat them in an old fashioned manner while the women snub that role.
i could go on forever.
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Vote vs Capitalism...
dear that asshole,
your premise that women's vote ruins the party for men has some basis, but i am not sure that is the greatest part of the problem with american women. i think the problem is the messages from rampant capitalism. constant advertisement teaches them to hate their bodies to fill their emptiness with material goods instead of filling themselves with cock.
is it any wonder? we leave their education in the hands of women hating, gay **** priests and fashion designers and money hungry ad execs. but who here on the forum really wants to take the effort to try and change our culture.
many of the countries you have fucked women in have voting for women. yet the women still are good or tolerable. it's not the vote... it's capitalism and religion.
you'd have better luck going up against the oil companies...
digitalcurry...
[quote=that asshole]dear gentlemen,
...to improve our conditions right here and regain control as we used to have long ago.
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the writer proposes that year 1920, the enactement of the 19th amendment to the us constitution was the end
of us democracy. for the purpose of eventually doubling the income tax-base and in an instant to create a
mindless, screaming mass of voters/consumers who can be most easily and predictably controlled by well
aimed propaganda: "american women were given voting rights and could be nominated for position in
government". thereby "real" democracy died...[/quote]
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Are you a loser or a pussy?
Let's translate "loser" from AW American Women.
"Loser" in woman-speak simply means a man who is smart enough to do things that are in HIS best interest.
You don't spend your hard-earned money on women - you are a loser.
You expect regular sex - you are a loser.
You are not interested in marriage - you are a loser.
You don't want to be stuck with kids - you are a loser.
You don't want to slave away 60 hours a week so a woman can buy a new SUV every year - you are a loser.
You prefer non American women who treat you better - you are a huge loser.
The alternative to "loser" is a pussyfied man, or simply a pussy. A pussyfied man does what a woman wants - he is a docile schmuck who slaves away at work and pays her bills and not pesters her for sex. Another words, he is an ideal husband.
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[QUOTE=Dr X Man]Let's translate "loser" from AW American Women.
"Loser" in woman-speak simply means a man who is smart enough to do things that are in HIS best interest.
You don't spend your hard-earned money on women - you are a loser.
You expect regular sex - you are a loser.
You are not interested in marriage - you are a loser.
You don't want to be stuck with kids - you are a loser.
You don't want to slave away 60 hours a week so a woman can buy a new SUV every year - you are a loser.
You prefer non American women who treat you better - you are a huge loser.
The alternative to "loser" is a pussyfied man, or simply a pussy. A pussyfied man does what a woman wants - he is a docile schmuck who slaves away at work and pays her bills and not pesters her for sex. Another words, he is an ideal husband.[/QUOTE]
Cha-Ching!
Your other post is on point as well, but its a dead horse, we beat that on a daily around here, but none the less good reading and solid points.
I just heard on the local news cast, that in a recent survey, 60% of the 1,000 women survied, they would give up sex for 15 months for the wardrobe of their dreams.
They then interviewed a couple of random women and 2 of them said NO WAY would they do that, but one Asian girl said she would have no problem with it. They asked a older man how he felt about it and he said he would just pay for it and put the kobosh on no sex for 15 months. He was coined "A Problem Solver". He's a FOOL!
But that's what our culture has done to some men.
If that's not a form of "acceptable prostitution" I don't know what is!
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They then interviewed a couple of random women and 2 of them said NO WAY would they do that, but one Asian girl said she would have no problem with it. They asked a older man how he felt about it and he said he would just pay for it and put the kobosh on no sex for 15 months. He was coined "A Problem Solver". He's a FOOL!
But that's what our culture has done to some men.
If that's not a form of "acceptable prostitution" I don't know what is![/QUOTE]
Sadly gentlemen it is acceptable prostitution. Women the world over know that difference between men and women is.
Men need sex, women like it.
Being that women can go without it even though we enjoy it. If we don't get it we don't have the same need for it as men. Unfortunately for men as soon as a woman learns this it means that she is going to use it against you. The clothes question is the perfect portrayal of it.
This is the reason that most women hate working girls. We know the same rules that the office lady knows, its just we don't care. We will provide the service that most women don't. (Guess what we even end up with the presents that they would get if they did provide.)
I suppose you could say the working girl is your defence against the evil wallet grabbers.
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The Gender Gap Myth
I'm back in grad school now, and you wouldn't believe the angry pathetic idiotic whiny ramblings I have to listen to from my fellow students, 80% in my program who are women. The following were about so-called gender pay inequity:
Bitter faded beauty who was hot at 20, but now at 40 has lost most of her looks at a rapid pace due to horrible attitude: Why do airline pilots make so much more than flight attendents? (um, maybe because the talent, training, skills, experience, and education is far beyond that required to be a stewardess...supply & demand...also that from the moment the door closes countless lives literally are in their hands perhaps??!)
Manlike Lesbian: Why do Women's National Basketball Association players make only a fraction that the male thugs of the NBA make? (I've no love for these guys either, but someone is paying $500 for a seat to see them, $300 for a pair of shoes he's endorsing, or watching them on TV, so they are creating incredible wealth and deserve to share in it).
I kept these responses to myself, knowing that reason, logic and fact would not hold a candle to their precious "feelings". I'd be accused of "feminist backlash" and dismissed as irrelevant. So much for academic freedom.
I facetiously suggested the government step in and fix salary levels for each and every job. Some of these stupid sows actually seemed to buy that idea!
I chose not to point out that male models make a fraction of female, same for porn stars.
Everyone! Read The Myth of Male Power by Ferrell. The guy debunks feminist BS, all the dogma that has been crammed down our throats over the past 40 years. All with well-documented sources, not just a hit piece.
Anyone have any advice for me? I'm in this for two years, so I must find a way to work with and get along with them. Just keep it to myself and let off steam here and to my friends?
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SNL - Timelife Valentines. Funny vid. "Keeping up with the Jones" part rings true with some AW.
[url]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1229769027015796668[/url]
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Reverse Migration
Check this one out:
[url]http://asiafind.com/p/member.cgi?m=24080594_79691&dcb=asiafind&mid=17506144_42599[/url]
She is coming here with an ad flashing.
Just like we go outside the US to find quality women, they come here to find quality men. I don't blame them. LOL
Good to see women in other countries becoming rich. Now they can afford to come here. Welcome.
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Acceptable Prostitution
I have read a great article a while back. I can not find it. It might have been post even here.
I have this female friend. The first time I took her out and was not a date. The second time I took her to my place. She said you paid for two dinners and want to have sex!! She was expecting and waiting for me to spend more before I get in her pants.
I am interested to read more about women acceptable prostitution.
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40 days 40 nights
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney] They then interviewed a couple of random women and 2 of them said NO WAY would they do that, but one Asian girl said she would have no problem with it. They asked a older man how he felt about it and he said he would just pay for it and put the kobosh on no sex for 15 months. He was coined "A Problem Solver". He's a FOOL!
But that's what our culture has done to some men.
If that's not a form of "acceptable prostitution" I don't know what is![/QUOTE]The oldest profession in the world will never die and would take different forms. Working girls rock. It is simple and easy. No mind games.
Though, everywho you would find good and bad. As there is non-working girl who will waste your time, money and play you games. There are working girls who will irritate you.
Sasha,
Have you seen the movie "40 days and 40 nights"?
[url]http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0243736/[/url]
It says it all.
[QUOTE=Sasha Coffee]Sadly gentlemen it is acceptable prostitution. Women the world over know that difference between men and women is.
Men need sex, women like it.
Being that women can go without it even though we enjoy it. If we don't get it we don't have the same need for it as men. Unfortunately for men as soon as a woman learns this it means that she is going to use it against you. The clothes question is the perfect portrayal of it.
This is the reason that most women hate working girls. We know the same rules that the office lady knows, its just we don't care. We will provide the service that most women don't. (Guess what we even end up with the presents that they would get if they did provide.)
I suppose you could say the working girl is your defence against the evil wallet grabbers.[/QUOTE]
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Accept Reality
Friends, I read this forum and sense a lot of resentment and bitterness. It can not be this way. The fact of the matter is that gender roles in our society have changed and the frustration we feel is a result of it. Since the beginning of time men have been the hunter-gatherers and women have been the caretakers of home and children.
500,000 years of evolution is suddenly redundant.
A man is better with an axe or a spear, etc. A woman is better at raising children, organizing homes, etc.
Traditional things like lawyer, banker, clerk, programmer, teacher, doctor, accountant. Man and woman are the same. There is no longer a traditional role for man or woman, husband and wife. They are equal and the same except for sexual organs. Not sure why there is such a fuss over gay marriage because it is the same thing.
Remember classic TV? The man comes home from work, sits on the couch, the wife brings him a beer? This is history. Forget it. Finished. If you want this you need to go to rural counties in Iowa. They still make women who like to bake.
Not sure what I am talking about.
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How to be happy w/ American Women
Remember the song.
And from my personal point of view, get an ugly girl to marry you.
She sure could cook.
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Dr X Man
Don't think I've seen it. But next time I get day off work and I'm not sleeping through it I will look for it the DVD shop.
As for baking and bringing a man a beer.
Well I think I can do both. The trick is do I want to. Well that depends on the man and the attitude. No I'm not going to bake and bring a beer to a man who sits on the couch and doesn't have a job. And I'm not going to do it if I've been working all day and he's had the day off. But I will do it happily if I've had the day off and he's been at work. I will even cook dinner and do the housework.
Its not about feminism or money its about respect and working together.
Perhaps thats what women need to learn and remember. Respect is a two way street. All the men I know would do anything to make me smile but then I work hard to put the same smile on their face.
Good luck guys. But if you get bored paying for a few dinners and heaps of drinks. Remember a holiday in New Zealand will remind how women are.
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[QUOTE=Misinformation]And from my personal point of view, get an ugly girl to marry you.[/QUOTE]
Many women do exactly that! I have met some women who believe that good-looking men have too easy a time being unfaithful. They prefer to marry plain looking men who will have a harder time finding a woman to be unfaithful with.
In mongering I have found that to contain some truth for WGs. Really gorgeous women are duds in bed. The plainer women know their looks alone won't cut it so they work harder to please a man.
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[QUOTE=George90]Many women do exactly that! I have met some women who believe that good-looking men have too easy a time being unfaithful. They prefer to marry plain looking men who will have a harder time finding a woman to be unfaithful with.
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This might go some ways towards explaining why you often see really attractive women with average-looking joes. I call it "The Safety Factor". The idea, from the woman's perspective, is that he will be so thankful for getting a good looking woman, that he'd never dream of looking for something else.
In reality, this idea is completely wrong. Guys are guys no matter where you go. There's always going to be that need for variety. There's always going to be the need for a little excitement. Sure, the wife might be good looking. But after doing it a couple hundred times, things get to be a routine. There will always be a significant percentage of men who are going to go out and find themselves a little something extra.
Not surprisingly, women absolutely HATE this idea. The only ones that seem to understand it are the ones who benefit from it..... like dancers, MP workers and WGs. I've had many enlightening discussions with them on this subject. It's funny how something becomes a lot more acceptable to women when they can make money off of it.
And why would anyone ever think an ugly guy would be more faithful? Not getting laid for all those teenage years. When they get a little older and have some money..... it's like a dam bursting, they're gonna go nuts!
Rock
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[QUOTE=Rock Dog]This might go some ways towards explaining why you often see really attractive women with average-looking joes. I call it "The Safety Factor". The idea, from the woman's perspective, is that he will be so thankful for getting a good looking woman, that he'd never dream of looking for something else.
In reality, this idea is completely wrong. Guys are guys no matter where you go. There's always going to be that need for variety. There's always going to be the need for a little excitement. Sure, the wife might be good looking. But after doing it a couple hundred times, things get to be a routine. There will always be a significant percentage of men who are going to go out and find themselves a little something extra.
Rock[/QUOTE]
That may be the case, but it isn't what I was referring to.
I made no mention of how attractive or unattractive the [I]woman[/I] was. I spoke only about the man. The issue is not one of being grateful for having a woman. The issue is how much selection a plain-looking man has. Can he get to choose whatever woman he wants? Many women believe the answer to be NO!
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[QUOTE=Rock Dog]And why would anyone ever think an ugly guy would be more faithful? Not getting laid for all those teenage years. When they get a little older and have some money..... it's like a dam bursting, they're gonna go nuts!
Rock[/QUOTE]
The bursting dam analogy may be correct. But again, it is not the issue.
The issue is not whether or not a man [I]wants[/I] to be faithful or not. The issue is whether a man can [B]successfully[/B] be unfaithful, should he so desire. Many women believe that an ugly man who desires to be unfaithful will not be as successful in that goal as a handsome man who wants to be unfaithful.
According to the women I spoke with about this, a woman is more likely to have sex with a handsome man than with an ugly man, all other things being equal.
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But of course, money is the great equalizer.
There's a "reality" show called Beauty & the Geek, where they team up idiotic young hot women with brilliant nerds some of whom have never kissed a girl. I imagine these women in 15-20 years, their looks totally shot, fat, bitter and angry at being alone, cast aside and ignored. Possibly a minority of them will have married/divorced money a few times to accumulate a little wealth, but men will have no use for them, with their negativity.
Meanwhile the nerds will have created and sold the next Google or YouTube, and no matter their looks, will have their choice of women.
Btw: I've seen plenty of of guys married to gorgeous women who cheated on them with fat ugly broads. Variety, boredom, need for grateful attention? Perhaps.
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yogin
[QUOTE=Yogin]But of course, money is the great equalizer.
There's a "reality" show called Beauty & the Geek, where they team up idiotic young hot women with brilliant nerds some of whom have never kissed a girl. I imagine these women in 15-20 years, their looks totally shot, fat, bitter and angry at being alone, cast aside and ignored. Possibly a minority of them will have married/divorced money a few times to accumulate a little wealth, but men will have no use for them, with their negativity.
Meanwhile the nerds will have created and sold the next Google or YouTube, and no matter their looks, will have their choice of women.
Btw: I've seen plenty of of guys married to gorgeous women who cheated on them with fat ugly broads. Variety, boredom, need for grateful attention? Perhaps.[/QUOTE]
Wow this report is insightful and perfectly correct. Very well put Yogin, hope you are the YouTube type.
Down here in New Zealand we have a saying. Be nice to the Nerds one day they will be your boss.
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No 'Justice'
Yogin I would just like to briefly dispute the notion that intelligence leads to economic reward - in fact such an occurrence is rare. Economic 'success' results almost entirely from one's class origins, and the 'geeks' such as Bill Gates were mostly sons of multi-millionaires. Many poors are intelligent, and of course they die poor just as they lived. In our economic system, the elite propagates the elite, Yogin. If it didn't, believe me they would change it to make it so.
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More money, better sex
I thought this would be a good place to post a copy of this article.
Here's the link:
[url]http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/CollegeAndFamily/LoveAndMoney/MoreMoneyBetterSex.aspx[/url]
More money, better sex
If you ask the superrich, wealth is an aphrodisiac, especially for women, a recent survey finds.
By MarketWatch
The richer you are, apparently, the better sex you have. That's according to a recent survey of more than 600 high-net-worth individuals. And rich women, it seems, enjoy sex the most.
"In seeking a higher-quality sexual experience, the number of well-heeled women that lead more adventurous and exotic sex lives, have had an affair or joined the mile-high club far outdistances that of men -- and the affluent gender gap in views on sex doesn't end there," Hannah Shaw Grove and Russ Alan Prince, two well-known researchers on the habits of the rich and famous, found.
Grove and Prince surveyed people with an average net worth of $89 million, and who make more than $9 million per year. They found that money is an enabler in a number of ways to enhance sexual experiences.
"The majority of men and women credit their private wealth with achieving a better sex life. When viewed separately, a larger percentage of women agree with the statement, perhaps indicating that females derive a greater degree of empowerment from their financial independence than their male counterparts," the survey, "Money as an Aphrodisiac -- Being Rich Means Getting Lucky on Your Own Terms," found.
Some 84% of rich women and 63% of rich men say having money means having better sex.
In the survey, three-quarters of men cited more frequent sex and a greater variety of partners as the primary benefits of having wealth, revealing a fascination with quantity. "In short, men equate more with better," Grove and Prince write.
By contrast, women placed significantly less value on the volume of sexual interactions and partners they had than the overall excellence of the experience: Nearly 93% of women cited higher-quality sex as the greatest sexual benefit of personal wealth -- and the biggest benefit overall to being rich.
"And while having sex with multiple partners simultaneously was less important to both genders, more than three times as many men cited it as a benefit than women did," Grove and Prince said.
Membership in the mile-high club
The rich people surveyed believe their fortunes allow them to lead more daring and exciting sex lives than they otherwise would have if they had less money.
"It is difficult to identify the benchmark for adventurous and exotic sex -- since what might entice one person could leave another indifferent," Grove and Prince noted. "But the much higher response rate from wealthy women once again underscores the liberating byproducts of money as it relates to sexual exploration."
For example, 72% of wealthy women say they have now joined the "mile-high club," which means they have had sex in an airplane. Meanwhile, 33% of men say they have had sex in flight.
The survey found that all of the participants owned private jets, either partly or outright. So wealth affording privacy may explain the high membership percentages there.
The average age of the survey respondents was 57 and most of them, 85%, are currently married. More than half of respondents had been divorced at least once and almost half, 44%, had already remarried.
Yet, money doesn't instill a sense of fidelity: 53% of the wealthy men surveyed, and 73% of the wealthy women surveyed, say they have had extramarital affairs.
According to "The Monogamy Myth: A Personal Handbook for Dealing with Affairs," 60% of men and 40% of women will have an extramarital affair.
And while Grove and Prince point out that the world's wealthiest men and women feel the same way about sex as their less wealthy counterparts do -- that is, feel sex is important -- clearly having more money can add to the experience.
Click here to see the full survey results and find out more about the habits of the wealthy.
This article was reported and written by Thomas Kostigen for MarketWatch.
Published Feb. 10, 2007
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Wow, a net worth of not less than $89 million, AM are screwed!!!!!!!!
[QUOTE=Cyberdas]More money, better sex
If you ask the superrich, wealth is an aphrodisiac, especially for women, a recent survey finds.
By MarketWatch
The richer you are, apparently, the better sex you have. That's according to a recent survey of more than 600 high-net-worth individuals. And rich women, it seems, enjoy sex the most.
"In seeking a higher-quality sexual experience, the number of well-heeled women that lead more adventurous and exotic sex lives, have had an affair or joined the mile-high club far outdistances that of men -- and the affluent gender gap in views on sex doesn't end there," Hannah Shaw Grove and Russ Alan Prince, two well-known researchers on the habits of the rich and famous, found.
Grove and Prince surveyed people with an average net worth of $89 million, and who make more than $9 million per year. They found that money is an enabler in a number of ways to enhance sexual experiences.
"The majority of men and women credit their private wealth with achieving a better sex life. When viewed separately, a larger percentage of women agree with the statement, perhaps indicating that females derive a greater degree of empowerment from their financial independence than their male counterparts," the survey, "Money as an Aphrodisiac -- Being Rich Means Getting Lucky on Your Own Terms," found.
Some 84% of rich women and 63% of rich men say having money means having better sex.
In the survey, three-quarters of men cited more frequent sex and a greater variety of partners as the primary benefits of having wealth, revealing a fascination with quantity. "In short, men equate more with better," Grove and Prince write.
By contrast, women placed significantly less value on the volume of sexual interactions and partners they had than the overall excellence of the experience: Nearly 93% of women cited higher-quality sex as the greatest sexual benefit of personal wealth -- and the biggest benefit overall to being rich.
"And while having sex with multiple partners simultaneously was less important to both genders, more than three times as many men cited it as a benefit than women did," Grove and Prince said.
Membership in the mile-high club
The rich people surveyed believe their fortunes allow them to lead more daring and exciting sex lives than they otherwise would have if they had less money.
"It is difficult to identify the benchmark for adventurous and exotic sex -- since what might entice one person could leave another indifferent," Grove and Prince noted. "But the much higher response rate from wealthy women once again underscores the liberating byproducts of money as it relates to sexual exploration."
For example, 72% of wealthy women say they have now joined the "mile-high club," which means they have had sex in an airplane. Meanwhile, 33% of men say they have had sex in flight.
The survey found that all of the participants owned private jets, either partly or outright. So wealth affording privacy may explain the high membership percentages there.
The average age of the survey respondents was 57 and most of them, 85%, are currently married. More than half of respondents had been divorced at least once and almost half, 44%, had already remarried.
Yet, money doesn't instill a sense of fidelity: 53% of the wealthy men surveyed, and 73% of the wealthy women surveyed, say they have had extramarital affairs.
According to "The Monogamy Myth: A Personal Handbook for Dealing with Affairs," 60% of men and 40% of women will have an extramarital affair.
And while Grove and Prince point out that the world's wealthiest men and women feel the same way about sex as their less wealthy counterparts do -- that is, feel sex is important -- clearly having more money can add to the experience.
Click here to see the full survey results and find out more about the habits of the wealthy.
This article was reported and written by Thomas Kostigen for MarketWatch.
Published Feb. 10, 2007[/QUOTE]
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George90,
I was going to clarify my position, but Yogin did such an excellent job that there isn't any need.
It's true that a guy who isn't physically appealing has the same opportunities as a handsome hunk. This is even more true for females.... and I think that is the reason why they think it will keep their homely hubby from gettin' some extra side action.
The truth is: A.) looks aren't everything. B.) guys LOVE variety. C.) the best looking woman in the world is going to get routine eventually.
Think about it...... you've made a connection with some woman you just met. Tonights the night! There's a certain thrill that comes from doing it with that woman for the first time..... even the first few times. But after a while it always starts to get routine. That's the reason why some guys, no matter what their looks, will always be tempted. It's the thrill.
Rock
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Ummm, Rock...are you suggesting that women will purposefully condemn themselves to a lifetime of sex with a man they don't find attractive, just so that other women won't try to steal him????
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[QUOTE=Rock Dog]George90,
The truth is: A.) looks aren't everything. B.) guys LOVE variety. C.) the best looking woman in the world is going to get routine eventually.
Think about it...... you've made a connection with some woman you just met. Tonights the night! There's a certain thrill that comes from doing it with that woman for the first time..... even the first few times. But after a while it always starts to get routine. That's the reason why some guys, no matter what their looks, will always be tempted. It's the thrill.
Rock[/QUOTE]
Your points are valid. That's why I made the all important caveat of "all other things being equal". The appropriate comparison is between 2 guys who are identical in everything except looks. Same money, same desire for variety, etc, just different looks.
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[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]Ummm, Rock...are you suggesting that women will purposefully condemn themselves to a lifetime of sex with a man they don't find attractive, just so that other women won't try to steal him????[/QUOTE]
No, he isn't. I am suggesting that!
And I didn't say that the wife didn't find him attractive, or at least attractive enough. I said the wife felt he wasn't attractive enough to be able to easily find women to be unfaithful with. He wasn't so attractive that other women were throwing themselves at him.
I guess you disagree? What are your comments then?
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Well, for a start, logic dictates that whatever the guy had that attracted *me* to him, could end up attracting someone else. Unless your guy is a 40 year old virgin when you hook up, the fact that he's slept with other women before you generally confims this theory.
Secondly - and this is only a generalisation - looks aren't necessarily a deciding factor in who a woman sleeps with. Most girls I know fall for that undefinable 'X-factor', rather than chiselled cheekbones or a nice arse. If your guy has that 'X-factor' something; be it his sense of humour, his charisma or, as constantly stated in this section, his money or power; other women are likely to find it sexy too.
And thirdly - he could always pay for sex with a hooker. Or get some tramp drunk at the local bar. Or help some desperate Uni student with her tuition fees. Fact is, if a man really wants to screw around on his wife, there will always be someone willing to help him out, regardless of his looks.
I think most hot women who hook up with average looking men, do it because THEY LOVE THEM. Because he's smart or funny or treats her like a princess. Because he's a good husband and provider. Because he'll make a good Dad. Whatever. I just can't see any woman consciously deciding to spend her life with someone she honestly believes is not smart/funny/cute/rich/hot enough to ever pick up anyone else.
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[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]
Secondly - and this is only a generalisation - looks aren't necessarily a deciding factor in who a woman sleeps with. Most girls I know fall for that undefinable 'X-factor', rather than chiselled cheekbones or a nice arse. If your guy has that 'X-factor' something; be it his sense of humour, his charisma or, as constantly stated in this section, his money or power; other women are likely to find it sexy too.
And thirdly - he could always pay for sex with a hooker. Or get some tramp drunk at the local bar. Or help some desperate Uni student with her tuition fees. Fact is, if a man really wants to screw around on his wife, there will always be someone willing to help him out, regardless of his looks. [/QUOTE]
RN, you have partly answered your own question. There is always that x-factor that will attract a woman to a certain man. However, it's the third point that you made that really confirms what I've been trying to say. Regardless of his looks, a man who wants a little variety will always be able to get some if he's sufficiently motivated.
Some women see a guy who isn't so great to look at..... and this actually makes him more attractive because of a false sense of security. This false sense of security comes from the WOMAN'S idea that the man is guaranteed to be faithful because of his looks. I've been trying to make the point that this is not always true.
Rock
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Faithfull
Come on people.
It is impossible for either sex to sustain a committed and monogamous relationship.
Both men and women will eventually stray. Although it is normally the man first, Buts let not be ostriches.
Human beings are like most other animals and not designed to mate for life.
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[QUOTE=Sasha Coffee]Come on people.
It is impossible for either sex to sustain a committed and monogamous relationship.
Both men and women will eventually stray. Although it is normally the man first, Buts let not be ostriches.
Human beings are like most other animals and not designed to mate for life.[/QUOTE]
Sasha, well put!!
I couldn't have said it better myself!
Rock
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So true.
There's ample anthropological/biological/ethological evidence that both are meant to stray. For men it means spreading seed as widely as possible to ensure his genes are carried on. For women it means taking in as much variety as possible to increase chances of at least some offspring surviving. This means the woman will sneak out to be impregated by a man she finds exciting (aggressive, strong, etc) and then "bond" (haha) with another man who is more nurturing, providing, and will act the good father, raising the other guy's kids.
We evolved this way.
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Y'all right
I think there is an exception to each rule. There are faithful and unfaithful humans (men or women). Personally, I have never cheated on a girl call me whatever you want to call me but it's the truth. When I loved I made love and I felt different. I am talking about my own exprience. Though, I had the chance to cheat on her (one of my lovers). This lover girl drove me crazy. I made her jeoulous and took her friend home. I kept on talking about my lover girl and did not have sex with her friend though she gave me a bj.
I felt it's pure sex.
[QUOTE=Sasha Coffee]Come on people.
It is impossible for either sex to sustain a committed and monogamous relationship.
Both men and women will eventually stray. Although it is normally the man first, Buts let not be ostriches.
Human beings are like most other animals and not designed to mate for life.[/QUOTE]What you say is true but not all the time. As per the other members discussions both are valid. Only statistics can tell which opinion is more valid but there are things that can't be quantified as looks or taste. No offense but I do not like, not attracted to, black women. She might be very pretty but it's a personal thing.
Just a thought
Sasha have you seen the movie? It's nice thoughtful comedy.
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[QUOTE=Dr X Man]I think there is an exception to each rule. There are faithful and unfaithful humans (men or women). Personally, I have never cheated on a girl call me whatever you want to call me but it's the truth. When I loved I made love and I felt different. I am talking about my own exprience. Though, I had the chance to cheat on her (one of my lovers). This lover girl drove me crazy. I made her jeoulous and took her friend home. I kept on talking about my lover girl and did not have sex with her friend though she gave me a bj.
I felt it's pure sex.
What you say is true but not all the time. As per the other members discussions both are valid. Only statistics can tell which opinion is more valid but there are things that can't be quantified as looks or taste. No offense but I do not like, not attracted to, black women. She might be very pretty but it's a personal thing.
Just a thought
Sasha have you seen the movie? It's nice thoughtful comedy.[/QUOTE]
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I have been faithful, its quite easy actually. I only started talking to other women (online) when I felt I could do better than my current gf. There was basically nothing wrong with her, just a weight issue that until pushed wasn't going to solve itself. In the end, she still wasn't all I needed (key word - NEED) , even though she lost quite of bit of weight, there were other issues about her personality that bothered me more.
I can be satified, I know what I need.
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Hahahaa!
DrX, your real name must be Clinton. You had your dick in her mouth, and she sucked on it until you had an orgasm....... but that wasn't sex.
I guess that means all across the nation, guys like us are paying $$$ to not have sex either :D
Rock
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[QUOTE=Sasha Coffee]It is impossible for either sex to sustain a committed and monogamous relationship. [/QUOTE]
Then why is it that there are MANY who do sustain monogmous relationships?
Because some people CAN'T find willing mates outside their relationship.
[QUOTE=Sasha Coffee]
Human beings are like most other animals and not designed to mate for life.[/QUOTE]
Agreed. But my point was NEVER about design or desire for other mates. It was about CAPABILITY of finding and keeping other mates.
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Uh huh sure, not sex. Reminds me of all the religious fanatics who've done handjobs, BJ's, even anal intercourse, yet claim to be virgins. This shows the dangers of strict puritanical rules on sex. It always leads to seeking loopholes to get around all our retarded rules and conventions.
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OH no!
After having been raked over the coals by his divorce. After pissing and moaning on the air about marriage. The King of all media, who proclaimed he would never marry again, got engaged to his long time GF, Beth O. It goes to show that if you have what they want, especially money..the tender trap will wait you out, wear you down and pull you in- no matter how long it takes.
Let's be careful out there...
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Ok yes, she gave me a BJ but I did not even get a hard on. I was thinking about my female friend at that time. That was the time I realized she loves me and I love her. It's her jealousy.
I did not disagree with you or Sasha either.
[QUOTE=Rock Dog]Hahahaa!
DrX, your real name must be Clinton. You had your dick in her mouth, and she sucked on it until you had an orgasm....... but that wasn't sex.
I guess that means all across the nation, guys like us are paying $$$ to not have sex either :D
Rock[/QUOTE]
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If That Was Me
If I was really rich.... let's say in the 10 to 50 million dollar range, I wouldn't under any circumstances EVER get married.
I'd have a series of long-term girlfriends, but I'd also fuck whatever attractive women I could. I'd fuck them wherever and whenever they'd let me..... which would be quite often seeing as I was so rich. When the long-term GF's got pissed off about this, I'd trade em in no problem at all.
Kids? Just pay some healthy woman with a good set of ovaries to have some for me. I'd even come around to visit once in awhile. But never, would I ever get married. How these rich guys ( who are presumedly supposed to be smarter than me) keep getting sucked into these arrangements is totally beyond me. Ah well.
Rock
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[QUOTE=Rock Dog] But never, would I ever get married. How these rich guys ( who are presumedly supposed to be smarter than me) keep getting sucked into these arrangements is totally beyond me. Ah well.
Rock[/QUOTE]
That is because the sex prison goes away when you have enough money. It even becomes a sex paradise! When I was a teen in high school, I worked in a hospital on week-ends with dozens of other teen-agers.
We would see all kinds of young doctors getting played by the nurses! These guys spent every waking moment studying in med school. Now they finish and do their residencies in hospitals and all the young unmarried nurses go after them like vultures after road kill. Most of the docs are so naive they don't know what is happening. Some play the nurses right back.
The problems start after the nurses marry them. You should see the wives of the some of the seasoned doctors. You would wonder what a man could see in them, and their personalities are worse than their looks.
But when these nurses were young, they were hot enough to distract a new doctor and hook him. Ordinary guys don't get that kind of treatment so we don't understand how rich guys can marry.
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Marriage usually happens when a man gets the idea that there is something more to his relationship with women than sensually gratifying sex. Eventually, he figures out that there isn't but by then it's usually too late to do anything about it.
Anyway, most American men will get pressured or duped into matrimony one or more times. Most guys only see marriage for what it really is in this country after some life altering experience.
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Feminism is primarily an Anglo American creation and will decline as Anglo American civilization declines, which is already about to happen over the next 20 years, the fall of the US Dollar over the past five years is not an abnormality, it is the beginning of the decline of the US dollar as the world's premiere currency. Within the Western world(actually feminism is largely confined to the West) I see feminism dying in Europe before America, Papal influence is growing rapidly on the Continent and with it will come more traditional values, "feminism" is not a traditional value, and the Catholic church has long been a target of the feminist controlled media. Europe's Christian right is just beginning to take power and it the not too soon future the feminist controlled leftists will fade into obscurity. Once in Europe this trend will make its way across the pond into the US as Europe supplants the US as the world superpower. The other coming superpower, China, doesn't value feminism since its a totalitarian state.
We can look back and blame the feminist movement with hastening America's decline. Why? Feminism largely disrupts the traditional social hierarchy of the family where father knows best, this has led to skyrocketing divorce rates in all Anglophone countries, an increasing number of single parent households(usually led by a female), children raised by single mothers are far more likely to become dysfunctional adults, and there is the root source of the problem. Another problem is falling birth rates, most strong societies need young people, because they work, pay taxes, fight wars, etc.
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Old, cold, ugly, angry women
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While I have no doubt that many of you are correct in stating that feminism has something of a destabilizing effect on the function of societies, particularly in the production of more workers, how can anyone dispute the reasoning of individuals wanting not to be treated as inferiors by other individuals? I mean, yes, I can understand your desire to 'keep them down', but surely you can admit that, in their shoes, you would desire to not be 'kept down'?
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[quote=opebo]... i can understand your desire to 'keep them down', but surely you can admit that, in their shoes, you would desire to not be 'kept down'?[/quote]
feminism is not content to get equal opportunity & rights, free & easy birth control access etc. it will not have accomplished its goals until they have the upper hand in all areas of life (which they already do in laws, customs, and institutions). look at the whining about "gender parity" in wages, jobs with few women, & the so-called "glass ceiling". maybe the explanation is more simple: they don't want to work in the sciences, or jobs that require 80 hour work weeks, or are dangerous, or that require extensive travel or moving to a crappy city. anglo-american feminism demands all the benefits but none of the responsibility.
sex abuse of women on boys is waaay underreported, as police & prosecutors won't do anything save for a handful of "show" cases, especially if the woman is hot, as in the fla. case where she got house arrest. a man doing that with a 13 year old girl would do 25 years of hard time. same for spousal abuse of women on men.
this doctrine and dogma that they are oppressed victims must no longer go unchallenged. read "the myth of male power". it will debunk all the lies we have internalized, even the most independent thinkers among us.
how can anyone, even women, and most of my women friends agree with me on this, defend a school of thought that calls all straight sex [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url], all men [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord127][CodeWord127][/url], and calls for the male population to be reduced to 10%? i sure wouldn't want to be a college student these days, what with the "date [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]" mass hysteria. if i did have sex as one, i'd demand she sign a detailed release form approved by my attorney, where she initials and dates each and every activity that will be permitted. that way, when her roommate drags her to a "womyn's center" meeting three months later and they fill her with bile and she realizes that she had too much to drink and was "raped", i'll whip out my handy document.
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Part 1
[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]Feminism is primarily an Anglo American creation and will decline as Anglo American civilization declines, which is already about to happen over the next 20 years, the fall of the US Dollar over the past five years is not an abnormality, it is the beginning of the decline of the US dollar as the world's premiere currency. Within the Western world(actually feminism is largely confined to the West) I see feminism dying in Europe before America, Papal influence is growing rapidly on the Continent and with it will come more traditional values, "feminism" is not a traditional value, and the Catholic church has long been a target of the feminist controlled media. Europe's Christian right is just beginning to take power and it the not too soon future the feminist controlled leftists will fade into obscurity. Once in Europe this trend will make its way across the pond into the US as Europe supplants the US as the world superpower. The other coming superpower, China, doesn't value feminism since its a totalitarian state.[/QUOTE]
I disagree. I think feminism will continue for several more generations. It may change its form. Feminism has already evolved a bit away from the militant, confrontational form it was in the 60's and 70's. It has now a more sublte persuasive form that is more insidious and dangerous. Now, our media, educational system, and entertainment are infused with feminist propaganda that passes for social development.
Children's books have stories of same sex parents and single mother households as if these are not only the norm, but the ideal. Entire generations are growing up viewing men and males as at best unnecessary.
This education is reinforced by the entertainment industry. I read last week about the proliferatoin of TV shows and movies based on 'Doofus Dads'. These are men who are portrayed as incompetent to manage a household. I have posted in the past about the TV commercials that protray men are idiots. There is the Vonage ad where the woman describes how easy it is to use while the man acts like a ******* in the background. There is another one where 2 women are talking about window shades while a man blows up his barbeque grill. There are 2 new ones; one about 2 women describing a product (cable TV I think) while one's husband builds a comedy club in the background and its falls apart, and one about a man who can't figure out his income tax and the wife sarcastically talks to a box for help.
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Response to CBGB, Part 2
Last week, a columnist wrote about how he is being attacked for speaking out against the baby that Cheney's daughter is having with her partner. I am posting a few paragraphs.
"The source of this ire? A column I wrote about Mary Cheney, who is a lesbian, pregnant and the daughter of the vice president. I thought it was a bad idea for Cheney and her life mate, Heather Poe, to have a baby, and I noted that this is an opinion I share with Dr. James Dobson of Focus on the Family fame.
That argument, for me, at least, is not about sexual orientation. My objection to Cheney and Poe is precisely the same one I have to heterosexual single women who decide to conceive children without benefit of a stable and involved father. I believe that our slide toward a fatherless society, a society where the male parent is considered optional, irrelevant or interchangeable, is toxic for our children.
So dad's involvement would seem vital to a child's well-being. And in reading those e-mails, I was repeatedly struck by the blithe way people disregarded that fact, by how eagerly they assured me fathers bring nothing to the table that cannot be replaced by an uncle, a coach, a family friend or other ''father figure.'' As one woman put it: ``To say that chromosomes or genitalia dictate the chances of happiness or success . . . for a family really makes no sense.''
But as 16 percent of white kids and a whopping 51 percent of black ones grow up father-free, facing all the difficulties that portends, I definitely have something against the idea, whether advanced by straight women or lesbians, that father is unnecessary, that so long as there's some uncle around to show a boy how to hit the mark in the toilet, everything is hunky dory.
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So, American families are raising their children to believe that men are [B]not[/B] an [I][B]INTEGRAL[/B][/I] part of the American family! That belief and conditioning is not going to change in 20 years. It will take several, possibly many, generations and possibly up to 60 or 70 years to reverse this effect. And that is if we start NOW!!! We are not starting now so I believe the adverse effects of feminism are going to last, in the US at least, for more than the next 100 years.
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Men in the Media.
george90,
What you said is true. There is a total bias against men in the media. This is particularly true in advertising. Why is this so? The answer is political correctness.
No one wants to be seen as beiing biased against ay other group. You can't use stereotypes in any way without risking some kind of backlash. EXCEPT for one..... the white heterosexual male. Somehow, WHMs are supposed to be the one group that's OK to make fun of. Maybe because we are somehow the ones "who control everything" so we don't mind being made fun of. Whatever.
This is why we see the same shitty commercials that rely on the same lame-ass premise. The advertisers don't have any other options.
Even more interesting, political correctness came into being directly though feminism. Most guys can take a joke. Historically, if someone did or said something that bothered us, we'd put up with it or go punch them in the nose. It's the women who can't take a joke. It's the women who fuss and fret over whether or not someone get's their feelings hurt. And it is the WOMENS way to all get together and organize a social resistance against something they don't like..... because the punch-the-nose option was never available to them.
Rock
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[quote=yogin]feminism is not content to get equal opportunity & rights, free & easy birth control access etc. it will not have accomplished its goals until they have the upper hand in all areas of life (which they already do in laws, customs, and institutions). [/quote]
you are absolutely correct, yogin.
a recent example is the new law, imbra, that limits who an american man may marry. under the bogus claim that us men have an unfair superiority over non-us women, us men must submit a criminal, marital, and residential background history to a foreign woman [i]before[/i] he can talk to her, if he used a dating/marriage agency to help him. also, a us man is now limited to 2 fiancee visas (k-1) in his lifetime. this effectively inhibits men from searching outside the us for wives.
there was an additional law that passed in late 2006 that prohibits any man with a sexual offense from ever receving a k-1 or spousal visa for a foreign wife. so, if a us man is even [i]accused[/i] of something like date [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url], it goes on his record, and now he can't bring a foreign wife to the us. those duke lacrosse players are in for a nasty surprise should they fall in love with a non-us woman and want to bring her here.
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[QUOTE=Rock Dog]george90,
What you said is true. There is a total bias against men in the media. This is particularly true in advertising. Why is this so? The answer is political correctness.
No one wants to be seen as beiing biased against ay other group. You can't use stereotypes in any way without risking some kind of backlash. EXCEPT for one..... the white heterosexual male. Somehow, WHMs are supposed to be the one group that's OK to make fun of. Maybe because we are somehow the ones "who control everything" so we don't mind being made fun of. Whatever.
This is why we see the same shitty commercials that rely on the same lame-ass premise. The advertisers don't have any other options.
Even more interesting, political correctness came into being directly though feminism. Most guys can take a joke. Historically, if someone did or said something that bothered us, we'd put up with it or go punch them in the nose. It's the women who can't take a joke. It's the women who fuss and fret over whether or not someone get's their feelings hurt. And it is the WOMENS way to all get together and organize a social resistance against something they don't like..... because the punch-the-nose option was never available to them.
Rock[/QUOTE]
Rock,
Do you really think that feminism and anti-male crap is limited to White guys???? Have you not seen any commercials with Black guys being treated by Black women as just as big idiots as White women are seen treating their White husbands???
Ther was an insurance commercial about a newlywed couple who were moving into an apartment together. EVERYTHING that belonged to him that he wanted to keep, she felt was trashly, turned up her nose, and ordered it thrown in the garbage. The ONLY thing of his that was worthy enough for her to approve of was his insurance policy.
So, I strongly disagree that PC stuff limits feminist insults and degradation to White men. It is aimed at ALL men regardless of our individual race!
If there is anything that we men should be uniting on, across racial lines, it is being against the goal of feminism to make us irrelevant and humiliate and degrade us in the process.
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Guys, insults do not work if the person you are trying to insult is in the dominant position in the social heirarchy. For example you can't have a racial insult against a white, or a gender based insult against a male (you have to call him gay or effeminate to insult him). Insults have to have the weight of social oppression behind them to really hurt. In other words you are calling attention verbally to the person's very real inferior status.
Another way of putting this is there is no realistic way of insulting someone like George Bush.
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[QUOTE=Opebo]Guys, insults do not work if the person you are trying to insult is in the dominant position in the social heirarchy. ....Another way of putting this is there is no realistic way of insulting someone like George Bush.[/QUOTE]
Women, especially white ones, are on the top, in case you didn't notice.
I've heard many priceless & hilarious jokes that insult Bush, mostly regarding his intellect.
Q: How many feminists does it take to screw in a light bulb?
A: That's not funny!!!
I saw a great cartoon (by a brilliant guy named Callahan) with this guy at the info counter in a store. He's being told: "This is a feminist bookstore. We don't have a humor section!"
Can't insult a white guy? Let's see:
cracker, honkey, asshole, dick, cock, mother**er, redneck...do those usually apply to white straight men? Are they offensive and meant to cause hurt? You bet.
It's true that institutions such as academia have become totally pervaded by subtle sneaky feminist dogma at every level. They run these places now. Most students are women. Yet they still pretend they are an "oppressed minority" in order to further promote their agenda, which includes controlling men and their sexuality (IMBRA, banning of porn & prostitution etc).
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[quote=opebo]another way of putting this is there is no realistic way of insulting someone like george bush.[/quote]
i always thought it was george bush's emotional fragility that caused him to give speeches in front of captive audiences of military personel. they'll either laugh at his bad jokes or be courtmarshalled.
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Before anyone should laugh at George Bush
He or she should just stop driving his/her SUV for a year.
Stop flying on fuel-guzzling jumbo jets to their favorite mongering spots.
Stop taking hot showers.
Stop turning on the heaters all winter long...
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[QUOTE=Yogin]...which includes controlling men and their sexuality (IMBRA, banning of porn & prostitution etc).[/QUOTE]
Banning prostitution is about controlling WOMEN'S sexuality.
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Feminism
[b]in the past[/b]
women requested and fought for equality
[b]now[/b];
men can not even ask for their equality. women would say “you are a man. it's a man world. are you going to cry like a baby or like a girl?”
they maintain their advantages while adding more rights.
feminism already surpassed in rights and opportunities
[quote=yogin]feminism is not content to get equal opportunity & rights, free & easy birth control access etc. it will not have accomplished its goals until they have the upper hand in all areas of life (which they already do in laws, customs, and institutions). look at the whining about "gender parity" in wages, jobs with few women, & the so-called "glass ceiling". maybe the explanation is more simple: they don't want to work in the sciences, or jobs that require 80 hour work weeks, or are dangerous, or that require extensive travel or moving to a crappy city. anglo-american feminism demands all the benefits but none of the responsibility.
[b]sex abuse of women on boys is waaay underreported, as police & prosecutors won't do anything save for a handful of "show" cases, especially if the woman is hot, as in the fla. case where she got house arrest. a man doing that with a 13 year old girl would do 25 years of hard time. same for spousal abuse of women on men.[/b]
this doctrine and dogma that they are oppressed victims must no longer go unchallenged. read "the myth of male power". it will debunk all the lies we have internalized, even the most independent thinkers among us.
how can anyone, even women, and most of my women friends agree with me on this, defend a school of thought that calls all straight sex [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url], all men [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord127][CodeWord127][/url], and calls for the male population to be reduced to 10%? i sure wouldn't want to be a college student these days, what with the "date [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]" mass hysteria. if i did have sex as one, i'd demand she sign a detailed release form approved by my attorney, where she initials and dates each and every activity that will be permitted. that way, when her roommate drags her to a "womyn's center" meeting three months later and they fill her with bile and she realizes that she had too much to drink and was "raped", i'll whip out my handy document.[/quote]
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Nothing to Thank Bush For
[QUOTE=One Wing Low]He or she should just stop driving his/her SUV for a year.
Stop flying on fuel-guzzling jumbo jets to their favorite mongering spots.
Stop taking hot showers.
Stop turning on the heaters all winter long...[/QUOTE]Damn, I could have sworn I did all of those things when Clinton was in office. And Reagan and Carter, too. (Well, I guess the SUV hadn't been invented that long ago.)
What the hell do any of them have to do with George W. Bush? Maybe YOUR world began the day he got into office, but the rest of us were already doing quite nicely, thank you.
Please come to your senses, OWL.
DB
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The Dow
The market is at record highs while unemployment is at record lows. Interest rates are moderate and housing is taking a long awaited chill. I'm no Bush groupie but let's keep things in perspective. I'm sure w did a few (female) cheerleader at Yale and has more pressing things on his mind than what the fe-nazis are up to. Personally our mayor Michael Bloomberg has done more to curtail our liberties than the current admisistration in Washington.
I personally think those gals get nothing but lip service (no pun intenended) from the current administration. Maria Cantwell is the chic to watch out for.
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[QUOTE=One Wing Low]He or she should just stop driving his/her SUV for a year.
Stop flying on fuel-guzzling jumbo jets to their favorite mongering spots.
Stop taking hot showers.
Stop turning on the heaters all winter long...[/QUOTE]
You think oil is our only choice? Brazil runs all their cars on sugar cane.
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[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]Banning prostitution is about controlling WOMEN'S sexuality.[/QUOTE]I don’t think so.
One prostitute could serve hundreds of men.
So banning the prostitution hit the men hundreds time harder than prostitutes.
I have not been on this forum for 3 years.
It has been changed dramatically.
I remember 3 years ago so lot of naïve guys posted here.
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Fiancée Visa
[QUOTE=George90] Also, a US man is now limited to 2 fiancee visas (K-1) in his lifetime. This effectively inhibits men from searching outside the US for wives.[/QUOTE]I did not know that. A friend of mine had his girlfriend from Rio here in the states on a fiancée visa from Dec 2005 to March 2006. His son was born in Brazil in October 2006 and when he went to the U.S. Consulate in Rio to get his son a passport they pulled up his record and automatically asked him if he wanted to apply for another fiancée visa. He told them no and that he did not think that he could. But the foreign service officer told him that he could do it as many times as he wants as long as the person returns home before the visa has expired.
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[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]I did not know that. A friend of mine had his girlfriend from Rio here in the states on a fiancée visa from Dec 2005 to March 2006. His son was born in Brazil in October 2006 and when he went to the U.S. Consulate in Rio to get his son a passport they pulled up his record and automatically asked him if he wanted to apply for another fiancée visa. He told them no and that he did not think that he could. But the foreign service officer told him that he could do it as many times as he wants as long as the person returns home before the visa has expired.[/QUOTE]
Check the provisions for IMBRA. There are a few sites that discuss it and several immigration lawyers who know it well. Googling it will yield effective results.
The IMBRA law came into effect in March of 2006. The immigration agencies were not prepared for it. A backlog of over 10,000 spousal visa requests developed by the summer and made those couples wait 9-12 months extra. In addition, there were not enough new forms, updated for the new law, printed up and another backlog for new petitions developed while more updated forms were printed. This was reported in the New York Times in December of '06 using a few couples in limbo as examples.
It is entirely possible that in Oct. 2006, consulates were not aware of it.
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The IMBRA law-a blessing in disguise?
[quote=george90]
a recent example is the new law, imbra, that limits who an american man may marry. under the bogus claim that us men have an unfair superiority over non-us women, us men must submit a criminal, marital, and residential background history to a foreign woman [i]before[/i] he can talk to her, if he used a dating/marriage agency to help him. also, a us man is now limited to 2 fiancee visas (k-1) in his lifetime. this effectively inhibits men from searching outside the us for wives.
there was an additional law that passed in late 2006 that prohibits any man with a sexual offense from ever receving a k-1 or spousal visa for a foreign wife. so, if a us man is even [i]accused[/i] of something like date [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url], it goes on his record, and now he can't bring a foreign wife to the us. those duke lacrosse players are in for a nasty surprise should they fall in love with a non-us woman and want to bring her here.[/quote]
hello, gentlemen, how is everything going in sex prison? are the women still cold and fat?
anyways, i just wanted to quickly comment on this imbra law that has been brought up. perhaps i am just drunk on the $7 usd pussy that is available here to me in ecuador, but i have a different perspective on this. although i oppose the premise of this law (actually, i can't believe it's even constitutional, but whatever) i personally could care less about it; perhaps this is a blessing in disguise?
here's the way i see it; you should not be bringing foreign women to the u.s in the first place. we have already established on this thread that aw are not born the way they are, they are a product of their environment. therefore, if this is true (and i believe it is), why the hell would you want to bring a women from a foreign country to the u.s (or western europe, or canada, or whichever sex prison you live in)? so that they can just turn into aw? no need to search abroad for that!
george90 mentioned that this new law "effectively inhibits men from searching outside the us for wives". no it doesn't! it doesn't do that at all, my friend! it prohibits men from bringing back women to the u.s. but it does not prevent you from leaving the country and getting married in any foreign country you want! and as for using dating agencies, forget them! just learn a little of the native language (i know, it might require some of you to crack open a book!) and just find women on your own, the old fashioned way. dating agencies are completly unecessary in the third world, trust me; it's a uniquely american/western creation, and there's no need for them. just walk up to a woman/group of women on the street and start talking, easy as that!
i always love reading this thread on the isg, but i get an especially big chuckle from it when i'm living abroad. i gotta really hand it to you guys that are still on here, fighting aw, feminism, and all the ridiculous laws that get passed by "our representatives" and signed into law by "our president". it's kind of like trying to save a ship that has already sunk to the bottom of the ocean. you guys are still on the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord116][CodeWord116][/url] deck, desperately trying to clear the water from the ship.
as for me, i grabbed a life boat and got the hell out! hopefully, it will be a permanent escape within the next five years or so, but i suggest others on here do the same. you can call me lazy for not wanting to stick around and fight the good fight, but i just consider myself realistic.
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[QUOTE=Ezinho]Here's the way I see it; you should not be bringing foreign women to the U.S in the first place. We have already established on this thread that AW are not born the way they are, they are a product of their environment. Therefore, if this is true (and I believe it is), why the hell would you want to bring a women from a foreign country to the U.S (or Western Europe, or Canada, or whichever Sex Prison you live in)? So that they can just turn into AW? No need to search abroad for that!
George90 mentioned that this new law "effectively inhibits men from searching outside the US for wives". No it doesn't! It doesn't do that at all, my friend! It prohibits men from BRINGING BACK women to the U.S. But it does not prevent you from leaving the country and getting married in any foreign country you want! [/QUOTE]
Ezinho,
What you wrote is very true. We still have the legal option of moving to another country, marrying there, and living happily ever after there. For most US men, that is only a long-run dream, essentially to retire someplace else. The vast majority of US men are still tied to the US due to our jobs and the incomes we can earn here. For those men, IMBRA is a real and effective c?ckblocker!
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[QUOTE=Ezinho] And as for using dating agencies, forget them! Just learn a little of the native language (I know, it might require some of you to crack open a book!) and just find women on your own, the old fashioned way. Dating agencies are completly unecessary in the third world, trust me; it's a uniquely American/Western creation, and there's no need for them. Just walk up to a woman/group of women on the street and start talking, easy as that!
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Dating agencies have their place. Some men and women don't need them. Some don't like them. Others find them useful. Men and women hwo have used them have told me that they liked the way an agency can screen men and women and get information about them to passon to an interested person before actually meeting them. To each his own. YMMV.
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Greetings from Sex Prison
Ezinho,
You make some good points. Our protests are somewhat like re-arranging deck chairs on the Titanic. But there's nothing futile about our finding ways to make the best of things if we feel we need to stick around here, either by fighting oppressive laws, traveling, etc. I find women on my own too, but a guy should be free to use an agency.
But no I disagree with you. Sure, if they are trying to escape from a poor desparate crappy situation and are 18, they will surely change immediately upon arrival to our sorry shores. But if they are a little older, have a decent education & career, I doubt they'll change much, according to my observations. Especially if from a more prosperous place such as Japan.
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[QUOTE=One Wing Low]He or she should just stop driving his/her SUV for a year.
Stop flying on fuel-guzzling jumbo jets to their favorite mongering spots.
Stop taking hot showers.
Stop turning on the heaters all winter long...[/QUOTE]
Bush's policies are most likely going to save the US in the long run but he no longer has the mandate to finish the job. As a result, the US dollar is falling, why? International investors are fleeing the greenback like rats on a sinking ship. If the US overwhelmed the world with its military might, this would not happen. The other problem is that Middle America is quickly disappearing, you see overwhelmingly rich people and poor people as well as lots of third world immigrants, my hometown looks more like Juarez Mexico than America. Guess where world bankers are now placing their confidence? The Euro, Europe is getting its act together big time, despite more unemployment, they have tradesurpluses and their governments are not neck deep in debt. You also don't see the superwide gaps between rich and poor, I am no Communist, even Theodore Roosevelt valued economic equality. Expect the dollar to tumble further this year. The media in America is constantly weeping about the fucktard Anna Nicole Smith, the plus sized model, who probably DO'd on some drug, what a new low.
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[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]Bush's policies are most likely going to save the US in the long run but he no longer has the mandate to finish the job.[/QUOTE]
Hah, what policies are those? Wiping out prostitution around the globe?
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I'm just looking at history, most major powers of the past engaged in aggressive military action, almost all of these societies eventually declined due to forces from within. Rome, Britain, Napoleonic France, Portugal, Spain, and the Ottoman Empires were all brutal imperialistic powers.
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[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]As a result, the US dollar is falling, why? International investors are fleeing the greenback like rats on a sinking ship. If the US overwhelmed the world with its military might, this would not happen. [/QUOTE]
The value of the dollar is related to interest rates in the US and other countries. The United States in recent years raised interest rates and this helped make the dollar more valuable, but over the past year the Fed has slowed or stopped or maybe it's starting to reduce (if you know the answer please PM me) interest rates.
At the same time, interest rates in Japan and the EU have been way lower than US rates. Money has been cheap in those places. As those economies have started to "heat up" the central banks in those places have started to toy with increasing interest rates for the yen and the euro. This increases the value of those currencies and makes it more attractive to park money in yen or euros.
Not sure this all adds up to rats moving off the boat or signals the decline of the USA. But. If you are convinced this is a trend, well, there are ways you could make a buck off of it.
However, currencies are a very risky place to make bets. Conventional wisdom in, say, 2005 was that the dollar was going to decrease in value, but in the end it did not. If you made a bet that it was going to decrease in value you would have lost money.
I do think that it's interesting that the Vietnam War had what seemed to be such a direct relationship on inflation increasing in the US in the 1970's (during that time the Nixon administration gave up on the idea of a fixed exchange rate for the dollar), but that the Iraq War - which is certainly very costly - has not had the same impact. But, really, what does this have to do with American women?
Of course, Anna Nicole Smith has everything to do with American women, but it blows my mind that MSNBC, CNN and Fox News are giving this thing more attention than it's getting here. Blows my mind. Smith was all the things readers here expected from an AW. I was watching a couple of Fox people nearly crap themselves over Britney Spears latest haircut. Nuts. I wish they would at least spend some cycles on Bridget Moynahan. All these chicks are in the running for 2007 American Women of the Year for this thread.
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The thing that is relevant is that its getting expensive for those of us who are paid in US dollars to go abroad for fun. Meaning that it will be harder to flee the clutches of the American female that many of us dread.
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[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]The thing that is relevant is that its getting expensive for those of us who are paid in US dollars to go abroad for fun. Meaning that it will be harder to flee the clutches of the American female that many of us dread.[/QUOTE]
Right. Like I said, if you think the dollar is going to continue to decline there are ways to hedge against it, there are mutual funds out there which increase in value based on decreases in the value of the Lehman US Dollar Index. Sometimes these are set up in such a way as to do a 2x increase for every point the dollar loses.
It sort of makes sense if you are sure you are going to travel overseas. To spell it out - if the dollar goes down, your vacation expenses are higher, but you've made money. On the other hand, if the dollar goes up, you lose money, but your vacation expenses are lower. It's a hedge of a kind for vacation planning, probably not the best idea for longer term investment plans. Depends on your situation.
At any rate, it's all risky and, since I'm not a financial advisor and I don't know your circumstances, it would be impossible for me to recommend anything more than looking into it.
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Losing Iraq has much bigger consequences than Vietnam, first of all it has to with the "Petrodollar" trade, much of the reason we can borrow as much as we can and the reason the dollar has been strong up until recently has to do with the fact that oil is traded solely in dollars. If countries start to switch their oil trade in Euros, that means we are going to have to pay our debts, we have a lot of debt, and that will be a major catastrophe for the US economy.
Take the following example: Japan needs to import oil for domestic use. To do so it must first acquire dollars, as the dollar is the main currency in which oil is traded. To acquire these dollars, Japan must sell goods and services to the U.S. economy. The Japanese build a Honda to sell to the U.S. The U.S. federal reserve prints a certain amount of dollars and gives these to the Japanese in exchange for the Honda. The Japanese buy oil from Saudi Arabia using these dollars. The Saudis take the dollars and reinvest them in the Federal Reserve Bank of the U.S., and from then on they will only be used as a reserve currency. Therefore, all the U.S. had to do to acquire a Honda, was to print dollars. In essence, it has its very own money tree.
Knowing this its almost better to be paid in gold.
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[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]Losing Iraq has much bigger consequences than Vietnam, first of all it has to with the "Petrodollar" trade, much of the reason we can borrow as much as we can and the reason the dollar has been strong up until recently has to do with the fact that oil is traded solely in dollars. If countries start to switch their oil trade in Euros, that means we are going to have to pay our debts, we have a lot of debt, and that will be a major catastrophe for the US economy.[/QUOTE]
I don't think this is correct. Oil contracts may be denominated in dollars but that doesn't mean they have to be settled in dollars. They can be settled in whatever currency the buyer and seller agree.
Even if oil contracts are denominated in euros, we can still settled our contracts with Saudi Arabia, Mexico, etc in dollars. There is no need to immediately repay dollar denominated bonds.
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[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur] The Japanese build a Honda to sell to the U.S. The U.S. federal reserve prints a certain amount of dollars and gives these to the Japanese in exchange for the Honda. The Japanese buy oil from Saudi Arabia using these dollars. The Saudis take the dollars and reinvest them in the Federal Reserve Bank of the U.S., and from then on they will only be used as a reserve currency. [/QUOTE]
CBGB,
Did you get this from an international finance book? Where did you get this information?
Yes, when we import goods from Japan or China, we pay them in dollars. But the dollars do not come from the federal reserve. They come from us, the consumers. Car dealerships pay Honda with dollars it got from selling cars to US consumers. Yes, China and Japan pay for oil in dollars, leaving Saudi Arabia with a shitload of dollars.
Here is where I disagree. If the Saudis (or Chinese) were permitted to by a boatload of expensive military aircraft or expensive military ships, then they would pay us back in the dollars we used to pay for imports. Ideally, our exports are supposed to pay for our imports.
Unfortunately, we have not been producing much of anything that the rest of the world wants to buys lots, or at least lots at the price we offer. That leaves the Saudis with a bunch of dollars and nothing to buy with them. So they invest them in dollar denominated assets.
Sometimes those assets are US firms. Most of the time those assets are bonds our federal government needs to issue in order to finance our huge budget deficits. The federal reserve has little to do with this. It is the Treasury Dept. that issues the bonds. The only role the Fed plays is that the bonds are sold at a trading desk in New York City that is controlled by the Fed.
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There is nothing FEDERAL about the Federal Reserve!
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This system only works if all oil transactions are conducted in US Dollars, that was the real reason we went into Iraq, Iraq sold oil in Euros in 99', and that was the real reason for the invasion of Iraq. The government has been sabre rattling Venezuela, why? Venezuela is a Christian country, it has little to do with Islamic terrorism, but its a major oil producing nation. Russia and Iran are going to price their oil in Euros too. The Saudis and other oil producing nations reinvest their surplus dollars into US treasury bonds, then the Treasury prints money that could be used to purchase more goods. The Euro threatens this mechanism, the damage to the US economy would be catastrophic. European nations partly introduced the Euro to purchase oil without US Dollars thereby reducing their economies' dependence on exporting goods and services to the US.
The only ace is the fact that China keeps buying US treasuries to artificially reduce the value of their currency to the US dollar, so they can pour cheap goods into the US, but its only a matter of time before they stop financing our debt. So in effect China has been holding up the US economy.
The US has kept the petrodollar system intact with a powerful military force, the will to use that force is waning, with a Democratic Congress and a high chance of a Democratic President, you will see a softening of US foreign policy, so more oil producing countries will not be intimidated, and will start pricing their oil in Euros. Its not going to happen overnight, but within two decades at maximum, the US dollar will not be the world's dominant reserve currency. Even the Euro will be threatened once China becomes transforms from an export economy to a consumer based one in the next 20 years.
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[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]This system only works if all oil transactions are conducted in US Dollars, that was the real reason we went into Iraq, Iraq sold oil in Euros in 99', and that was the real reason for the invasion of Iraq. The government has been sabre rattling Venezuela, why? Venezuela is a Christian country, it has little to do with Islamic terrorism, but its a major oil producing nation. Russia and Iran are going to price their oil in Euros too. The Saudis and other oil producing nations reinvest their surplus dollars into US treasury bonds, then the Treasury prints money that could be used to purchase more goods. The Euro threatens this mechanism, the damage to the US economy would be catastrophic. European nations partly introduced the Euro to purchase oil without US Dollars thereby reducing their economies' dependence on exporting goods and services to the US.
The only ace is the fact that China keeps buying US treasuries to artificially reduce the value of their currency to the US dollar, so they can pour cheap goods into the US, but its only a matter of time before they stop financing our debt. So in effect China has been holding up the US economy.
The US has kept the petrodollar system intact with a powerful military force, the will to use that force is waning, with a Democratic Congress and a high chance of a Democratic President, you will see a softening of US foreign policy, so more oil producing countries will not be intimidated, and will start pricing their oil in Euros. Its not going to happen overnight, but within two decades at maximum, the US dollar will not be the world's dominant reserve currency. Even the Euro will be threatened once China becomes transforms from an export economy to a consumer based one in the next 20 years.[/QUOTE]Again, where are you getting your information? Can you cite a source, or better yet sources, that supports your version of how international finance / international payment system operates?
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Here's one link:
[url]http://www.energybulletin.net/7707.html[/url]
Here's a book written about the Petrodollar:
The Hidden Hand of American Hegemony: Petrodollar Recycling and International Markets, the author is David E Spiro.
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On the topic of American Women. How?
There's a politics thread. Please use it, gentlemen.
Yes, I'm sure you can conceivably connect anything to AW, but this is becoming a stretch.
How about we discuss the price of eggs in S. Africa?
Thank you.
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Well once again the relevance is that most of us use US Dollars to finance our escapes from the American female, so of if something happens to that we lose our escape hatch.
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Just because things change in the financial world it doesn't necessarily mean you "lose your escape hatch".
Things might get more expensive. But that's nothing new is it? The only way things will change significantly is if there is a total financial collapse of some sort. This may very well happen some day considering the 10 trillion dollar cumulative trade imbalance the US has with the rest of the world.
However, I seriously doubt that, all of a sudden you're gonna wake up poor, and the rest of the world is rich. Anytime things change, some people come out losers and some come out winners. The best thing to do is do what you should be doing anyways. Save up some of your $$$ each time you get paid and don't keep all your eggs in one basket.
The UK used to be called Great Britain.... they're not so great anymore. Not relative to the other world powers. But, from what I've seen, the average Brit still does OK for themselves. I seriously doubt there will ever be a time that most Americans will be poor compared to people in other countries.
That means, for a guy who works hard and makes something of himself, there will always be good-looking foreign women out there ready to be claimed.
Rock
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Re: Hubris
[QUOTE=Rock Dog]That means, for a guy who works hard and makes something of himself, there will always be good-looking foreign women out there ready to be claimed.[/QUOTE]
This is not accurate, Rock. People don't 'make something' of themselves, rather, society makes them what they are. The lower classes work harder than anyone, Rock, and, in the US, can never afford foreign travel or prostitutes. No, Rock, in our capitalist society one's economic condition is determined by forces outside one's control - namely economic class, rigidly enforced by State power.
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Little Britain
Hi All,
Quote from Rock Dog: "The UK used to be called Great Britain.... they're not so great anymore."
Great Britain is in fact a geographical term and nothing to do with empire or the people or government of Britain thinking they are great! It is made up of England , Scotland and Wales ( not Ireland )
The "British isles" are all the islands in the region including the island of Ireland
NB The "United Kingdom" is a political term refering to the "United Kingdom or Great Britain and Northern Ireland"
Check out the link
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_britain[/url]
cheers
Munchie
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[QUOTE=Rock Dog]Just because things change in the financial world it doesn't necessarily mean you "lose your escape hatch".
Things might get more expensive. But that's nothing new is it? The only way things will change significantly is if there is a total financial collapse of some sort. This may very well happen some day considering the 10 trillion dollar cumulative trade imbalance the US has with the rest of the world.[/QUOTE]
When things get too expensive, one DOES lose one's escape hatch! And people DO wake up poor(er) one day!
Tens of thousands of middle-income homeowners took out second mortages in 2002, 2003, and 2004. Now those same homeowners are facing falling home values, rising interest rates, higher mortgage payments, and stagnant income.
Mongering is not a low cost hobby. Preparing to retire abroad is not a low cost proposition. When costs rise and US incomes fall due to poor management of the economy, we do end up fewer options for escaping from AWs.
My caveat is that if you are rich enough, none of what I said applies to you.
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An article in the New York Times about a sorority which appears to have discriminated against women based on weight and race.
[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/25/education/25sorority.html?ei=5087%0A&em=&en=c8f0c116efb32f25&ex=1172638800&pagewanted=print[/url]
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Bridget Moynahan (36), born in Binghamton, New York, USA. Three months pregnant with Tom Brady's child. Tom Brady (29) is hanging out with Gisele Bundchen (26), a Brazilian model.
res ipse loquitur ~ "the thing speaks for itself"
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How much damage?
NPaul1,
Thanks for sharing your experiences. I agree, not all American women are bad - in fact, I have had my fair share of freebies in NY and SF because of my British accent and young age [25]! :-)
Seriously though, how much damage (in $) would some of these girls set you back, if you don't mind me asking? Of course, if you would rahter not say on here, I would appreciate a PM.
Many thanks,
JP
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Sugar Babies
I normally put $140 in my cookie jar and tell the girl to help herself to my cookie jar. I had one girl call me later and say it was not enough, I raised it up to $200, she was from New York and told me some high money she had made there.
I had one girl last week that had driven 1 1/2 hours to be with me, I put $180 in the cookie jar and she noted that it was alot of money for her. So I told her to leave some in the cookie jar for next time.
BTW I removed the photos this morning. I did not realize that they had the girls name on them and someone could find the girls on one of the 3 sugar daddy websites.
Sugarbaby.com sugarbabyforme.com and seekingarrangement.com are the 3 that I know of. Enjoy.
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[QUOTE=Rock Dog]Just because things change in the financial world it doesn't necessarily mean you "lose your escape hatch".
Things might get more expensive. But that's nothing new is it? The only way things will change significantly is if there is a total financial collapse of some sort. This may very well happen some day considering the 10 trillion dollar cumulative trade imbalance the US has with the rest of the world.
However, I seriously doubt that, all of a sudden you're gonna wake up poor, and the rest of the world is rich. Anytime things change, some people come out losers and some come out winners. The best thing to do is do what you should be doing anyways. Save up some of your $$$ each time you get paid and don't keep all your eggs in one basket.
The UK used to be called Great Britain.... they're not so great anymore. Not relative to the other world powers. But, from what I've seen, the average Brit still does OK for themselves. I seriously doubt there will ever be a time that most Americans will be poor compared to people in other countries.
That means, for a guy who works hard and makes something of himself, there will always be good-looking foreign women out there ready to be claimed.
Rock[/QUOTE]
Well Britain coasts off the US, the entire British government licks American boots, thats why the country does well. Australia is the same, John Howard has Bush so far up his ass, that when Bush spits its comes out of Howard's mouth. The real issue is that the economic center of gravity is shifting away from English speaking countries. Continental Europe and China are going to dominate the world. The US is almost certain to leave Iraq, the whole war was a way to intimidate OPEC countries from switching the oil trade to Euros, which would effectively destroy the US economy. Iraq is a big failure, once the US leaves, most OPEC nations particularly Venezuela and Iran will be supporting a Euro based oil bourse.
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I have to agree with CBGB for the most part with what he said about the US UK Canada and Australia. The US, for better or worse, is the cultural and economic center of the english speaking world.
However, Europe isn't going to supersede the US anytime soon. They have the combined problems of socialism, low birthrate, cultural/political stagnation and growing internal populations of muslims. If present trends continue, Europe will be a semi-islamic shithole in about 40 or 50 more years. Can you think of any islamic country (sans petrodollars) that is an economic success? Neither can I.
China may very well be the country to compete economically, culturally and militarily. They are currently hard at work competing with America for access to resources in third world areas like Africa and Latin America. Their economy is overheated though.... and their whole economic system is riddled with bad debt and corruption. China might look hot right now, but I remember we used to look at the Japanese the same way back in the 80's..... and where are they now? China is probably inevitable, but and economic meltdown might set them back 10 or 20 years (if it happens).
Even India is worth watching. I've seen parts of Africa where there are as many Indians as Africans.
Fifty years from now, the US might be just one of several world powers.... instead of the only one. Perhaps China will become the hyperpower that some fear. I'm betting that other trends (ecological/demographic) are going to come into effect before this ever happens. Think rising sea level, climate change + failure of organized food and energy production = hundreds of millions of starving chinese with subsequent political collapse. This has happened many times before and there's no reason it can't happen again.
Rock
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Why is a low birthrate a problem? I'd say for the next 100 years or so, the lower the better! Do we really need 6 billion of us?
As for the next economic powers, it will be Russia, then Brazil. China and India's populations keep them back. Both countries are also headed for a civil war a lot sooner than most think.
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]Why is a low birthrate a problem? I'd say for the next 100 years or so, the lower the better! Do we really need 6 billion of us?
As for the next economic powers, it will be Russia, then Brazil. China and India's populations keep them back. Both countries are also headed for a civil war a lot sooner than most think.[/QUOTE]
Birthrate isn't a problem in the US, which is already a multi-ethnic nation. It's our future, our destiny, our strength. At least that's the official version. :) Since it's the only version we have though, it is prudent to at least make our best effort.
Europe has a real problem with birthrate, as "native" populations from Sweden to Italy are losing their demographic advantage to immigrants from Africa and Asia, not to mention Eastern Europe. The influx of foreigners into European countries, especially those from Muslim cultures, has gone from an insignificant curiousity to a major social and economic headache.
As intellectually critical as Europe was of the racial problems in the United States in the 70's and 80's, their tone has become much less condescending in recent years as the realities of racial integration have taken hold in their own countries. The religious aspect, particularly Islam contra Christianity, adds considerably more powder to the powder keg.
I do not foresee Europe becoming Muslim, however this is the proclaimed goal of many Muslim leaders in Europe and it certainly is time that Europe adamantly defend it's cultural heritage and values. Time will tell.
China and India are significant powers already, perhaps not the superpowers they'd like to be, but both carry economic weight, and both economies are strong enough domestically to ride out any international crisis. Nonetheless, neither is even close to achieving America's financial strength. America's strength is not only measured in the well-being of the individual citizen, but rather in it's ability to dictate economic trends world-wide and control financial markets. Militarily the US is still leagues ahead of anybody else, even if we still haven't learned how to fight and win against an insurgency in a guerilla war.
Russia is also destined to become a major player, and provides balance to world affairs. They have the resources to stay rich for decades, the intellectual skills to make it work and the political will to get what they want. It would make sense to ally with them, at least on a loose basis.
No idea on Brazil... can't imagine any South American nation having power that extends beyond it's own continent... with the exception perhaps of Venezuela and it's oil, a country criminally restricted in growth potential by it's own government.
The key for us men is to keep our game on top as long as we can. Earn good money, get travel opportunities and stay fit so we can enjoy the opportunities we have.
One significant advantage of the overseas female, perhaps the most significant for me, is that older guys can still date very young girls. It isn't unheard of for 40 or 50-yr olds to have girls 20-25 yrs old. I'm mid-30's and date almost exclusively girls 18-22. I only take older girls if I am looking for a woman with the kind of skills only an experienced women can have... :)
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outstanding analysis
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Russia is also destined to become a major player, and provides balance to world affairs. They have the resources to stay rich for decades, the intellectual skills to make it work and the political will to get what they want. It would make sense to ally with them, at least on a loose basis.[/QUOTE]Only thing I'd disagree about is Russia. They may well reemerge as a major force, but there won't be anything positive about it for the rest of us. A nuclear armed petro power run by the KGB (you didn't think they went away did you) with a tradition of empire building can only be dangerous to everyone else. Their collapsing population makes everything about them wildly unpredictable.
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[QUOTE=hardbarg]Only thing I'd disagree about is Russia. They may well reemerge as a major force, but there won't be anything positive about it for the rest of us. A nuclear armed petro power run by the KGB (you didn't think they went away did you) with a tradition of empire building can only be dangerous to everyone else. Their collapsing population makes everything about them wildly unpredictable.[/QUOTE]
Hardbag,
Well I agree that the verdict is still out on Russia. Russia is a major part of my life for various reasons, so maybe my optimism is just wishful thinking. There are also plenty of negative aspects to the Slavic mindset, that is for sure.... but I get along with them just fine. Their political future is indeed a gigantic question mark right now.
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[QUOTE=Rock Dog] If present trends continue, Europe will be a semi-islamic shithole in about 40 or 50 more years. [/QUOTE]
Total nonsense.
A recent and very detailed survey shows that only 4 % of the french population is muslim. Inside those 4 %, only 7 % claim applying the strict rules of islam. This is roughly 0.35 % of the total population.
The figures are about the same in Germany and Netherlands, and lower in mediterranean countries (Spain , Portugal, Italy, ect).
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Sugar babe!
Here is a photo of a cum guzzling girl I met online, looking for a sugar daddy! This photo is right before I came all over her face.
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[quote=prosal]total nonsense.
a recent and very detailed survey shows that only 4 % of the french population is muslim. inside those 4 %, only 7 % claim applying the strict rules of islam. this is roughly 0.35 % of the total population.
the figures are about the same in germany and netherlands, and lower in mediterranean countries (spain , portugal, italy, ect).[/quote]
agreed that "the muslim question" in europe is somewhat overplayed, but it is an issue of growing significance.
france is 10% muslim and rising statistically. the interesting figures aren't necessarily total population figures, but rather figures from urban populations. recent immigrants, and in fact 2nd or 3rd generation immigrants, live primarily in large urban centers... paris, marseille, lyon. the same is true in holland. according to some studies predictions, the 3 largest cities in holland will be more than 50% of non-dutch heritage by 2030.
there is no mystery why the perceived percentage of muslims in any given european country is higher than it actually is, the demographics of european youth in germany, france and holland show a much higher percentage of foreign and muslim youth than in previous generations. like blacks in america, whom many young muslims see as their cultural role model in their "struggle" against the state, they are more "visible" than native youth. well-publicized crimes, particularly [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] and honor killings, add to the stigma. more traditional muslims don't exactly encourage integration of their youth either, with headscarf clad women, arranged marriages and discouragement of their women getting higher education.
been in paris, london or central berlin lately? enter the "wrong" neighborhood and you'll understand recent european paranoia, whether it's justified or not.
ultimately, it seems likely that europe.. so often the site of world wars and religious conflict.. will soon be the testing ground whether or not islam and christianity can live peacefully together.
but since this forum is about american women, banged any lately? i haven't. can't say i've really missed it much either though. :)
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Well put, Dr Skank.
In Holland, Van Gogh was murdered for making a film Muslims didn't like.
Roving bands of Muslims are beating up & murdering gays.
In France they are disrupting efforts to teach about the Holocaust in the public schools, calling it a complete hoax.
Don't forget all the riots in Europe where people died last year. The reason? A cartoon about Muhammed they didn't like. Were there such an offensive cartoon about any other religion, for sure there would be objections and perhaps protests. But clergy calling for a "Day of Anger"? Violent rioting? I don't think so. No sense of humor about themselves. Hatefully, virulently intolerant of the ways of others, yet mysteriously demand (often violently so) respect and tolerance.
Official China is downplaying any pig imagery this year (it's the year of the pig!) in order not to offend Muslims. Oil? Hmmm....
In the US, oversimplifying a bit, the tradition is that immigrants assimiliate and become "American". Muslims here, as a result, are far better off economically than in Europe. They aren't an underclass at all. Perhaps there's a parallel with African Americans. Blacks engage in so many behaviors that are self-destructive, that they bring upon themselves: not valuing education, allowing obesity, substance abuse, seeing sports & entertainment as realistic career goals, and criminal behavior. And then use the excuse of "marginalization" to say there's no point in trying to succeed in the "white man's world", which is a self-fulfilling prophesy. They've had equal opportunity for the past 40-50 years, yet a great many have squandered it. Sure there's still racism. But my grandparents came here 100 years ago from E. Europe with nothing, faced poverty & discrimination, and their kids made something of themselves. They made & accepted no excuses.
My Good Doctor:
Here in Sex Prison USA, I've gotten laid here plenty in these past ten years. But I'm pleased to announce that not one was an AW. All were from Japan, China, Taiwan, & Singapore. Whoo hoo!
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Prosal,
I stand by what I said earlier. What's more, watch for a "hardening" of Christianity in Europe now that they are finally awakening to the problems represented by non-assimilating internal muslim populations.
In the Netherlands they are literally referred to as "the enemy within". Some of it is racism. Some is explained by economics. Maybe if they had Sony and satellite TV they'd just shut the fuck up and quit being such an uppity pain in the ass. But I doubt it. Right now Islam is in about the same state of maturation as Christianity was back in the dark ages.
Wait till some of these asswipes finally get their hands on some nukes. We'll see.... and thanks to an almost renegade nuclear program in Pakistan, that day is not far off.
Rock
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Malaysia is a very successful Muslim country, a number of high tech companies including Dell and Sony have moved their manufacturing there. Malaysia though is strongly controlled by Chinese, Japanese, and American business interests, its also a fairly decent place for p4p, kind of a more upmarket version of Thailand. Regardless, everything in America is linked to the petrodollar, that is the reason why its very easy for us to get credit to fund whatever we want, a car, a house, education, trips abroad to lay cute exotic women, if this system was tampered with it would ruin all of this.
I saw a program about Indonesia, which is the largest Muslim country on the planet, its also a major sex destination, more Australians I know go there than even Thailand. They were showing Jakarta's Red Light District which looked huge. It was real interesting program, they even interviewed an Indonesian porn star who said she was a devout Muslim, weird.
Regardless, I think Europe is going to become more right wing, especially with the events of the past few years, the bombings in Spain and the UK, riots in Paris, the Pope's comments, etc..
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CB, you're right, Indonesia is the best country in Asia for mongering and skirt chasing, and one of the best in the world. Personnaly I find that for beauty and heartiness, indonesian women are the gold standart in Asia. About islam, as you said, Indonesia is the largest muslim country in the world, but islam there is just a cultural heritage and almost 90% of the indonesian muslims follow an easy-going blend of islam, hinduism and javanese beliefs. Indonesians are the nicest and most peaceful people I ever met in all my journeys.
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Going into left feild..
I thought the topic was "American Women"
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The USA's military power is linked to its economic power, the economic power is largely based on the current petrodollar and the ability to finance nearly unlimited debt. This is not going to last, I personally do not keep any of my personal holdings in US dollars, the nearly 40 percent drop in value of the US Dollar is a serious warning sign not a short term trend. No money = no military. Even the public is getting sick of the war hype of the Neocons, so they have no credibility without any public support you can't have any foreign interventions. Wonder how Americans will behave when things aren't as rosy as they are in the present day? Think New Orleans times 1000. Despite all the political correctness, the US is still very much a society divided by race, religion, and economic status, its the economy that binds everything together. Why do millions of people from different nationalities leave their families and cultures behind and move or try to move to the US? Money!!!
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American Women
Does any American here generally pull a higher quality of woman in the USA than they do abroad? If you do, what are the reasons for this? I think that I am one of the few men on this board--for better or for worse--that does and wanted to hear from other men who are in my same boat.
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[QUOTE=DirkDingy]Does any American here generally pull a higher quality of woman in the USA than they do abroad? If you do, what are the reasons for this? I think that I am one of the few men on this board--for better or for worse--that does and wanted to hear from other men who are in my same boat.[/QUOTE]
You must be a higher quality man than most of us here, or at least me! That said, quality, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. So more power to you, Bro'! Have at these AWs to your heart's content!
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Women from outside of North America are considerably better than those found in Canada and the US. Even if Australian women aren't perfect, they are a level above what I found in the US. European women, especially those from Eastern and Central Europe are a world above anything found in the USA. The only thing, from an economic point of view America is not as secure as it was in the past, outsourcing and globalization is starting to take its toll, as is uncontrolled unskilled immigration which lowers the average wage. Even if American women sucked in the past it least we were able to live in reasonable comfort but that is being threatened due to stupid corporations sending their operations overseas. The loss of the petrodollar scheme is another big pillar that is about to fall. Political Correctness in America is out of control, a state governer tried to shoot down a bill that required government workers to speak English, what is the crime in this?
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The Great Illusion
CBGB has some good points again.
The petrodollar scheme, as he puts it, is an important symbol of the US's economic power. Guess what used to be the "petro-currency"? The British Pound! When that went to the US dollar, it was the final notice that economic supremacy had passed away from the former "Great Britain".
The perception right now is that the US is some kind of invincible superpower. That it is, in fact, the world's ONLY true superpower. This just isn't true. There aren't any superpowers in the world at all. The slightest little problem and any country can fall apart.
For example, homeland security..... a true superpower should be impregnable right? No army, no matter how mighty, should be able to cross it's borders. Yet every day the US is apparently powerless to stop armies of mexicans from swarming across. Maybe "armies" is the wrong word to use since they are unarmed, uneducated and apparently welcomed as a cheap labor source. What's more, nobody even knows for sure how many of them are living inside the US border. If you really wanted to know for sure, you better ask the Mexican Gov't, they probably have some idea!
Finicially a superpower? Wrong again, the US is the worlds largest debtor nation and it only gets worse every single day. Imports outweigh exports in every single category except weapons sales. They can't afford to rebuild New Orleans, but somehow have an extra hundred billion to spare for the mess in Iraq.
Technological leader? Sure, until the Chinese and Indians copy the ideas and start selling their own versions for 10% of the cost.
Right now we are living in an illusion of comfort, prosperity and security. But there's a disaster coming, that's for sure. I live in Canada it's true, but we're so closely linked to you guys that we'll get sucked into the downfall too... so there's no escape for anybody. I just pray it doesn't happen for another 10 or 15 years so I can make my third world escape before it hits.
Rock
ps. when it all happens, the women can look after their OWN asses..... equality right?
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Everyone talks of India China this and India China that, India and China might become major players...if they continue to grow the way they do for at least another 20 to 30 years. I have actually visited India, its highly unstable, I don't think you could call a country where nearly 85 percent of the population nearly starve a major world power. China also has a lot of poverty not as severe as India but still its living standards is not comparable to a Western country. You can't control a population if their stomachs are empty. The next major power over the next couple of decades is one that seems unknown to most Americans, its Europe, and Europe is being largely dominated by Germany. The Germans who tried to unite the continent by two world wars and failed have created a united Europe that stretches from the North Atlantic to the Black Sea(with the recent inclusion of Bulgaria). This the Europe that Hitler imagined, Europe may look peaceful and innocuous now but a set of events are occurring that will bring Europe back to its imperialistic roots.
Britain an example of resilience against Continental Europe is soon becoming an energy importer instead of an exporter, Germany will be the nation providing the UK's energy needs in the coming decades.
There really is no major Muslim problem in Europe, of course there are problems in Britain and France, Italy is having problems with the Muslim Albanian Mafia that even the Italian gangsters fear. Germany and Austria are two countries where the Muslims fear their Germanic neighbors.
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Hey fellas,
I haven't enjoyed Pattaya since the end of Aug, last year. Looks like a lot might have changed starting with the exchange rate. I have read some of your reports, so I am a bit discouraged. I plan on being there between 3/31 and 4/15. I'll be coming from the US. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like my normal traveling buddies will be able to join me on this one. If any of you will be around during that time, would love to meet up.
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I've good some pretty good info that Germany imported large numbers of Turks as "gastarbeiten" or foreign workers. They did this because it was an easy way to get cheap labor to do jobs that average Germans didn't want to do. Sound familiar?
An the Krauts are getting a lot of their energy from Russia, so they aren't in any position to push anyone around that way.
Rock
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The Germans are getting chummy with the Russians, Russia like Iran wants world oil trade to be dominated by the Euro, the writing is on the wall for the US Dollar. The ECB, the organization that introduced the Euro is based in Frankfurt. The Germans are buying the continent left right and center.
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CB, you been reading the Philadelphia Trumpet, or what? I like Strafor's reports myself.
Yeah, the Germans have been making a lot of moves lately. It's inevitable that they'd get over their WWII blues after a generation or two. They have a large population, a big economy, and they are just plain dynamic as far as people go. Except maybe for France, Germany is the natural cultural and economic center for europe as a whole.
Personally, I don't ever see a strongly unified europe coming into being. Too many languages, too many different countries spread across the map..... and wayyy too much history. Think of a herd of cats, they might all be running in the same direction at one time, but it doesn't last for long.
Now, if there was some kind of major external threat to europe as a whole ..... AND if they were able to perceive that threat quite clearly, then you might see some kind of unified europe.
Even then, they aren't invincible..... just look at Airbus and the mess they have with that stupid A380 superjumbo. They'll be lucky if it doesn't sink them.
Rock
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What's the Philadelphia Trumpet?? Back to the topic a dollar run is a real prospect, so if you are looking to travel abroad its going to become extremely expensive to do so. I never said Europe was invincible, a couple of years ago, the media was talking about the everasting American Empire, what happened to that? I guess that was washed down the Gulf Coast after Katrina. Stratfor or another bulletin was talking about the US being hit by three major disasters, a terrorist attack in NYC, a flood in New Orleans, and the Big Earthqauke that is overdue in California.
The dollar has fallen nearly 40 percent in value over the past five years that is a major red flag. As I mentioned US wealth is tied to the petrodollar monopoly which is going to end soon, within the next decade.
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[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]As I mentioned US wealth is tied to the petrodollar monopoly which is going to end soon, within the next decade.[/QUOTE]
I read the site on link that you gave citing this petrodollar stuff. That guy mixes half-truths with utter nonsense to come up with off-the-wall theories that are not supported by any data or any other recognized economic theories.
I am not going to debunk it here; inappropriate and would take too long. I strongly suggest to members that they learn about the crude oil market, how OPEC functions, international financial markets, the role of a reserve currency, international trade, and then read that link and come up with your own opinion.
DO NOT BELIEVE 'US WEALTH COMES FROM THE PETRODOLLAR MONOPOLY' OR SIMILAR STATEMENTS ON THEIR FACE!!!!!!
The US dollar is weak, the US economy faces threats, 'petrodollar' theories do not explain the reasons why.
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Regardless, the sudden drop in value of the greenback is making travel or migration overseas are difficult prospect. I suggest reading The Hidden Hand of American Hegemony: Petrodollar Recycling and International Markets by David E Spiro book petrodollar, its published by the Cornell University Press. I don't think a university like Cornell would publish rubbish. Another one is Petrodollar Warfare: Oil, Iraq and the Future of the Dollar by William R Clark, who is a researcher at Johns Hopkins University which is another top academic institution.
Ask yourself, why are so many right wingers rattling about Venezuela and Hugo Chavez? It has a lot to do with the business of world oil trade. Venezeula is a major oil producer with a leader that is hostile to the US.
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[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]Regardless, the sudden drop in value of the greenback is making travel or migration overseas are difficult prospect. I suggest reading The Hidden Hand of American Hegemony: Petrodollar Recycling and International Markets by David E Spiro book petrodollar, its published by the Cornell University Press. I don't think a university like Cornell would publish rubbish. Another one is Petrodollar Warfare: Oil, Iraq and the Future of the Dollar by William R Clark, who is a researcher at Johns Hopkins University which is another top academic institution.
Ask yourself, why are so many right wingers rattling about Venezuela and Hugo Chavez? It has a lot to do with the business of world oil trade. Venezeula is a major oil producer with a leader that is hostile to the US.[/QUOTE]
One, a university and its press are two different entities. University presses can and do publish rubbish from time to time.
Two, the 'petrodollar' that academics refer to is not what you or the site you linked are talking about. The academic 'petrodollar' refers to the revenues from oil exports to the US. These revenues are in dollars. They are important because those countries, including Venezuela, then have purchasing power for goods produced in the US or assets located in the US. Since we are not exporting much beyond weapons, we face the option of selling weapons to potential enemies or have them buy up the country. China tried to buy an oil company in 2006, and a Dubai firm did buy 6 port facilities in the US.
It does not refer to the oil revenues from Europe, which are in euros, NOT dollars. The same issues face Europe, but they are in a better position because they are more effcient is in their use of energy than is the US. More sales are made to the US than to Europe so the dollar revenues are more important. It does not refer to the oil revenues from China which are in yuan, NOT dollars.
The problems with the dollar are due to our bad economic policies that have resulted in huge budget and trade deficits. There are not due to the oil market.
However, the low vallue of the dollar makes it cheaper for foreigners to visit the US. Maybe some foreign women would want to monger with us men here, instead if us going there? LOL!
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There's another seemingly obvious point that's being overlooked here with regards to the "weak" dollar. It's not all bad news!
Sure, you go on a trip somewhere and everything costs more because your money isn't as valuable as it used to be. But for US companies and manufacturers (the ones that are still left), their products....priced in US$.... become a lot more competitive.
That helps out with the trade imbalance. At the very least, it keeps it from getting worse even faster. In Canada, we used to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] and moan about how our dollar was only worth 60 or 70 cents US. Then, when our dollar shot up to over 90 cents US, all the exporters started pissing and moaning about how they were losing their competitive edge.
It cuts both ways.
Rock
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[QUOTE=Rock Dog]Personally, I don't ever see a strongly unified europe coming into being. Too many languages, too many different countries spread across the map..... and wayyy too much history. Think of a herd of cats, they might all be running in the same direction at one time, but it doesn't last for long.
Even then, they aren't invincible..... just look at Airbus and the mess they have with that stupid A380 superjumbo. They'll be lucky if it doesn't sink them.
Rock[/QUOTE]
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
Euro currency was laughed at among Manhattan banking elite, or at least everything was done to play down its future role on international markets. Nobody is laughing today.
EU has achieved a lot, and Airbus is just a little example, not a "stupid A380". Ask gents at Boeing's board of directors. I'm sure they have their hands full. Keep also in mind that main source of Airbus profit comes from smaller models like the A320, not from the superjumbo.
"Too many languages" is a laughable argument. Perhaps you aren't aware but people in Brussels speak either English, French, German or combination of several languages, and as of today they agreed on [url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6432829.stm]cutting carbon emissions[/url]. Global warming, hello?
"Wayyy too much history" didn't stop Germany and France from being best mates in EU. Dude, you live in the past, and keep wishthinking.
Finally regarding "petrodollars". Ever asked yourself why Arabs are forced to charge for oil in US dollars? Ever asked yourself what neverending demand for US dollars ment to Federal Reserve and finally the USA as whole?
Now, ask yourself if you would feel comfortable watching Russia and Iran charging in euro currency, and maybe others like Venezuela. Needless to say, demand for US dollars drops, and China having huge trade surplus with the USA perhaps decides to cash in its stockpile of dollars. What then? US dollar has already fallen 40% against the euro. The answer is to be find in desperate wars, like the one in Iraq, and perhaps an upcoming in Iran.
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still barking!
Wow, they agreed on cutting carbon emissions. Now I'm impressed.
People in Brussels speak English German AND Francais? That's pretty good I guess. Maybe when they can include Polish, Czech, Spanish, Romanian, Italian, Bulgarian, Swedish and whatever other of the languages you guys have over there, then I'll start believing in real european unity.
By the way, Germany and France are definitely NOT best mates in the EU. They both have their own ideas of what the union is all about and where it should be heading and WHO should be at the helm. About the only thing that even came close to uniting them was their opposition to the war in Iraq.
Upcoming war in Iran? You must be smoking some pretty cheap drugs over there..... youare hallucinating. There isn't going to be any war with Iran anytime soon. The US can't afford it after the half $$$Trillion they spent already in Iraq. What's more, there isn't much appetite for even continuing the current war, never mind starting another one.... and that's even if the republicans win in '08. It's true that there has been a lot of effort to engineer public consent towards such a conflict. However, my bet is that the US will continue it's conflict with Iran through proxies such as Israel or, perhaps, some of the Sunni arab states in the region.
Anyways, my position has never been that the US was invincible. If you read some of my recent posts, you'll see that I think that the US+Canada is headed for an eventual economic setback. Trade imbalances and unsustainable deficit spending will do as much damage as anything else. It's just a matter of when it will happen and how bad it will be.
Farther off into the future? That's mostly up to the greater, supra-national effects of demographic and environmental trends. You guys in Europe could go to zero carbon emissions next year and it won't make much difference when the Chinese are burning umpteen gazillion tons of hi-sulphur coal every year to keep their overheated economy going.
Rock
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just can't help myself
Actually, according to the BBC, they havn't all exactly agreed on cutting carbon emissions. Countries like Poland have the same excuses ... er, problems, as China and India. There won't be much compliance by anyone until everyone agrees to suffer simultaneously.
I just can't help myself, but I'll promise not to post about international politics here anymore if everyone else will. How about an ip forum?
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Agreed!
This discussion, while stimulating and enjoyable, has gotten way too political! Gentlemen, it appears we are off topic. Someone needs to come up with a new one.
Ideas anyone?
Rock
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[QUOTE=hardbarg]Actually, according to the BBC, they havn't all exactly agreed on cutting carbon emissions. Countries like Poland have the same excuses ... er, problems, as China and India.[/QUOTE]
Looks like [url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6433503.stm]they have[/url], after all.
[i]"European Union leaders have agreed to adopt a binding target on the use of renewable energy, such as wind and solar power, officials say."[/i]
Not every state was in favour of a deal, but majority decides. This deal is not about saving the world from global warming, but an initiative in right direction since world needs someone to set an example. Looks like Bush also figured out that something needs to be done:
[i]"The US and Brazil sign a deal to develop alternative fuel sources, in an attempt to reduce dependence on oil."[/i]
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[QUOTE=Rock Dog]By the way, Germany and France are definitely NOT best mates in the EU. They both have their own ideas of what the union is all about and where it should be heading and WHO should be at the helm. About the only thing that even came close to uniting them was their opposition to the war in Iraq.
Rock[/QUOTE]
Don't sweat it. EU existed long before the made up WMD in Iraq. Already told you live in the past. France and Germany basically run EU, and it was them together with the Benelux countries who founded EU. Get your facts right, or don't start such discussions and then complain they get too "political".
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Peace out guys...Even if you bomb this universe a million times and you Co2 this universe 10 trillion times..you and me still gonna be here.
There is no easy way out..karma has to work its way in and through this world and all the bad deeds and good deeds combine will keep this universe alive for each one of us..untill we all get liberated.
Im not sure..Why we try hard to make this world a better place...can;t we just live with what we got..No gods incarnation or Humans can change this world period..This is what we call "Maya".
Have we not learned any lesson from history, the more you try to sort out the problem the more you get into the mess..just live it alone and work out your karma and everything will be fine.
Not even one inch, we can help this world. This world will remain AS IT IS.
When you had less CO2 emmisions and global warming, were we in the better world..common..more people died..when we had less CO2 and global warming than now :) remember WW1 WW2
Have a spiritual perspective on life and things will calm down.
Just relax, have a beer and chill out..we are in this world for only 30 sec and we take re-birth else where :)
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A war in Iran has a very slim chance of happening at this stage, the entire catastrophe in Iraq has pretty much demolished Bush's credibility and support by the general public as well as those in the government, as a result the Republicans have lost a lot of power. Theoretically, if Gore was President had the Florida recount went his way, I think history would be a lot different, the US would definitely be in much better standing in the world. I am sure that Gore would have confronted Iraq because his VP, Joe Lieberman has connections with the Neocons.
The European stance against Iran is much stronger than the US yet Europe is would still only use diplomacy. Angela Merkel I recall had some strong words for M. Ahmadenijad. So there is no chance of a military confrontation with Iran, I read somewhere the state department might open up diplomatic relations with the country. Within the next 15 to 20 years, the US will look more like a regional power than a world power, especially with China's growth and Europe becoming increasingly more integrated. Europe and China are making connections with Latin America as well.
With the loss of the debt machine, consumers in the US will be tightening their belts, maybe American females might not be as demanding as they are now, sure it sounds like pigs flying, but anything is possible.
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[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]A war in Iran has a very slim chance of happening at this stage, the entire catastrophe in Iraq has pretty much demolished Bush's credibility and support by the general public as well as those in the government, as a result the Republicans have lost a lot of power. The European stance against Iran is much stronger than the US yet Europe is would still only use diplomacy. Angela Merkel I recall had some strong words for M. Ahmadenijad. So there is no chance of a military confrontation with Iran, I read somewhere the state department might open up diplomatic relations with the country.
Within the next 15 to 20 years, the US will look more like a regional power than a world power, especially with China's growth and Europe becoming increasingly more integrated. Europe and China are making connections with Latin America as well.
With the loss of the debt machine, consumers in the US will be tightening their belts, maybe American females might not be as demanding as they are now, sure it sounds like pigs flying, but anything is possible.[/QUOTE]
Which is exactly what I've been saying all along.
As for the US/Brazil ethanol deal, that has a whole lot more to do with securing energy supplies than any concern for the environment on Bush's part. You can also imagine how welcome US dollars will be to the ethanol producing countries in the region. That's a plus for the US and may even help limit the influence Hugo Chavez has been having.
So France and Germany RUN the EU? Whoopy-do! Maybe I run the local grocery store, that's about as impressive. Let's face it, european countries don't have all that much influence. They always compromise, never taking a strong stand on anything for long. They like to play temselves off the US as being the reasonable folks while making the US look like the bad guys. Usually this is so that non-competitive, state-subsidized european businesses can make deal$ in the countries that are run by these a-holes.
Rock Dog
ps. Let's see if anyone still thinks that the rock-dog is barking up the wrong tree
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A peace Offering!
OK, for all the european forum members here....you know who you are :)
Europe has some really good things about it that I like.
Better cars.
Better food.
Better women.
Perhaps we can agree on these points?
Rock
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Rock Dog, for the record I am an American, yes under the current system Europe is weaker than the US, but I am beginning to notice shift to right wing politics and a new mindset in Europe. For the record the Euro has been thrashing the US dollar and is likely to replace the greenback as the world currency, this will definitely result in a major scaleback of the US economy. We are also living in a globalized world, where transnational governments are quickly becoming the norm, there are EU like organizations in Asia. America is doing the same but with Mexico and Latin America, still I think forming transnational alliances with mostly corrupt and poor third world nations is going to be a major failure for the US. Thats why millions of Mexicans come to the US unchallenged by US immigration, big business and the wealthy want cheap labor. The rise of China and India as low cost production centers are threatening the middle class of the US. I know if I stayed at my job in America, my job would have been sent to India. Right now America looks invincible and is definitely the top power on the planet, but within the next couple of decades that dominance is being challenged, the world is going to become a multipolar one. As far the Brazil-US deal, Brazil actually has much warmer relations with the European Union than the US, in fact, many South American countries particularly the Brazilians feel that the US seems to just ignore them or right them off as inferior.
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[QUOTE=Rock Dog]OK, for all the european forum members here....you know who you are :)
Europe has some really good things about it that I like.
Better cars.
Better food.
Better women.
Perhaps we can agree on these points?
Rock[/QUOTE]
Instead of better cars, lets just say fast cars since the European vehicles aren't very reliable anymore. IMHO Germans still build the best engines, suspensions etc, but the electronics in their cars aren't worth a hill of beans.
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Back to Subject: American Woman not competitive like sme american products.
[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]Women from outside of North America are considerably better than those found in Canada and the US. Even if Australian women aren't perfect, they are a level above what I found in the US. European women, especially those from Eastern and Central Europe are a world above anything found in the USA. The only thing, from an economic point of view America is not as secure as it was in the past, outsourcing and globalization is starting to take its toll, as is uncontrolled unskilled immigration which lowers the average wage. Even if American women sucked in the past it least we were able to live in reasonable comfort but that is being threatened due to stupid corporations sending their operations overseas. The loss of the petrodollar scheme is another big pillar that is about to fall. Political Correctness in America is out of control, a state governer tried to shoot down a bill that required government workers to speak English, what is the crime in this?[/QUOTE]
Lets go back to subject: American Woman' and not ' American Politics'.
Reading the above post it says all.
Similar as for many business branches, other countries have been becoming more competitive with the cheap labor and improved infrastructure. So many jobs are transferred to Asia, as well from the US or EU.
And doesn't the same happen to the American women? She is not competitive anymore, reflecting rights, contract cost, maintenance cost etc. by in return being a difficult (unreliable?) 'product' to operate and 'functionality' and 'service standard' by worse 'design' is also lacking compared to the Asian 'products' offered.
So what happens with the call center jobs, accounting and other middle class
jobs, happens also with the relations male female over long time. Being married and find a partner will be more challenging for AW when more and more us citizens tie up with women outside US.
Result must be (following supply and demand) and I think will be over time that the AW will improve and catch-up for ‘survival’. But unfortunately this may probably take some ages.
The same happens in the ‘core EU countries’ and is just not so visible due to the EU extension where the former ‘Eastern European women imports’ have now become simply inside EU transfer members.
Regards
Brain666
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Well Said, "Brain"
The marketplace analogy applies well. It will take many years, perhaps 35, to undo the toxic combo of feminism & puritanism that have made AW the obese unattractive bitter confused messes they are today. They won't cave early as they ever-so-slowly come to the realization that their competitive edge is gone. More & more men will wake up to obtainable far happier hunting grounds for both short (freebies flings p4p) & longterm companionship (GF wife). Eventually AW will wake up and realize why we are avoiding them by traveling 5000 miles to find inconvenient yet infinitely more desirable alternatives. They will finally stop blaming us as the problem & calling us losers. But I'm not waiting & holding my breath. I am and will continue to chase & enjoy all the Asian-bred tail I can find!
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And what's with all the fake blondes?
Have you ever watch CNN lately? It seems like every single female appearing on just about ANY news channel just has to have blonde hair..... fake or otherwise. That's actually a turn-off for me. I'd rather see nice natural dark hair anyday over fake coloured hair. There's something sexy about a woman who is confident enough to run with her REAL hair colour.
I don't mind all that much about hair colour one way or another, but if you're making over $100 k/yr yo think they'd be able to keep those dark fucking roots from showing. From what I've seen, even Anna Nicole was really a brunette.
Just goes to show you what these women are all about..... anything to get the slightest edge. Don't bother doing a good job, as long as they haven't given up the advantage to someone else. That's actually funny because just about any foreign born woman beats the local girls hands down.
Rock
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[QUOTE=Rock Dog]And what's with all the fake blondes?
Have you ever watch CNN lately? It seems like every single female appearing on just about ANY news channel just has to have blonde hair..... fake or otherwise. That's actually a turn-off for me. I'd rather see nice natural dark hair anyday over fake coloured hair. There's something sexy about a woman who is confident enough to run with her REAL hair colour.
I don't mind all that much about hair colour one way or another, but if you're making over $100 k/yr yo think they'd be able to keep those dark fucking roots from showing. From what I've seen, even Anna Nicole was really a brunette.
Just goes to show you what these women are all about..... anything to get the slightest edge. Don't bother doing a good job, as long as they haven't given up the advantage to someone else. That's actually funny because just about any foreign born woman beats the local girls hands down.
Rock[/QUOTE]
Fake or non fake hair color is a minor issue compared to the overall body style and body maintenance over year regarding skin, weight etc.
And we are not talking about some exceptional beauties at LA beaches as every country has it's stunners, we are talking about the huge average 'availeble' for the majority of the male population as a potential regional Partner.
Just came back from Phuket/ Thailand and had 1st hand many nationes mixed at the beach shore. If you see the female population from Europe (excluding Eastern Euirope) and US, you have about 70% an average between 0 and 4 in our scale, while the e.g. the Japanese female bodies are rather maintained and average in the range of 6-7 in body style.
regards
Brain666
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Road to Wigan Pier
I find the criticism of white women for their unfortunate physiques to be a bit unfair, for are we not all fat, aging, and unattractive? Eric Blair says it better than I could:
[i]"if one faces the fact one must admit that most Mongolians have much nicer bodies than most white men. Compare the firm-knit silken skin of the Burman, which does not wrinkle at all till he is past forty, and then merely withers up like a piece of dry leather, with the coarse-grained, flabby, sagging skin of the white man. The white man has lank ugly hair growing down his legs and the backs of his arms and in an ugly patch on his chest. The Burman has only a tuft or two of stiff black hair at the appropriate places; for the rest he is quite hairless and is usually beardless as well. The white man almost always goes bald, the Burman seldom or never. The Burman’s teeth are perfect, though generally discoloured by betel juice, the white man’s teeth invariably decay. The white man is generally ill-shaped, and when he grows fat he bulges in improbable places; the Mongol has beautiful bones and in old age he is almost as shapely as in youth. Admittedly the white races throw up a few individuals who for a few years are supremely beautiful; but on the whole, say what you will, they are far less comely than Orientals."[/i]
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[QUOTE=Opebo]I find the criticism of white women for their unfortunate physiques to be a bit unfair, for are we not all fat, aging, and unattractive? ...[/QUOTE]
Do you travel much? Have you seen how an AVERAGE girl in Thailand, China or Japan for example would be considered a stunner in the US? We aren't talking about random cultural & genetic differences & variation here. We are talking about choices they make as to how to be in the world. They choose to be actual women instead of wannabe men in drag, for starters. Sure there are a tiny handful of attractive white girls here with decent healthy enlightened attitudes. But the odds, the numbers are awful. Even the Asian-Americans who are born here and are totally hot have been brainwashed by Christian conservatism & feminism, becoming mercenary men-hating castrating frigid bitches, in many cases learning and taking on the odious role even better than their white sisters. So this isn't about race, at least for me. We just advocate going where the picking is better than a needle in a haystack.
Btw: I'm not fat, take good care of myself, & am often mistaken for being ten years younger!
Perhaps on this thread we are a tad unfair and over the top at times. But it is a much-needed counterpoint to our daily lives where we are faced with fat, angry, entitlement-imbued, gold-digging cows who do nothing but moan about how they are such oppressed victims of the so-called "patriarchy" while at the same time complaining that there are no "real men" left...what a contradiction! If I dare speak up and challenge this idiotic dogma, my life and career as I know it would be over. So I come here to let off some steam and feel better.
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[QUOTE=Yogin]Do you travel much?[/quote]
Well, brother, I live in Thailand. And I suppose I've travelled and a little - Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Indonesia, the Philippines, Madagascar, Switzerland, Czechy, South Korea, and Singapore, plus many many more, but I will only count those within which I engaged in our wonderful hobby.
[quote]Have you seen how an AVERAGE girl in Thailand, China or Japan for example would be considered a stunner in the US? We aren't talking about random cultural & genetic differences & variation here. We are talking about choices they make as to how to be in the world. Sure there are a tiny handful of attractive white girls here with decent healthy enlightened attitudes. But the odds, the numbers are awful. Even the Asian-Americans who are born here and are totally hot have been brainwashed by Christian conservatism & feminism, becoming mercenary men-hating castrating frigid bitches. We just advocate going where the picking is better than a needle in a haystack.
Btw: I'm not fat, take good care of myself, & am often mistaken for being ten years younger![/QUOTE]
Yogin, I do not dispute the advisability of searching for prostitutes in the third world as opposed to the first (I wholeheartedly embrace this strategy). Nor, if you notice, do I dispute that Southeast Asian girls are more attractive generally than whites. I merely made the point that it was a bit unfair not to mention that we white males are unattractive in a similar way - lumbering, flabby, lumpy, smelly, etc. This is kindly overlooked - for a fee - by the prostitute in asia, but, I rather doubt by anyone else.
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They are not simply better merely because they are getting paid. They are superior in all ways. I can easily get it for free from hotties in Japan. My GF's from China & Japan have been great experiences; I'll never go back to American. So far my part anyway, I'm not talking just about the "hobby".
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[QUOTE=Opebo]I find the criticism of white women for their unfortunate physiques to be a bit unfair, for are we not all fat, aging, and unattractive? [/QUOTE]
Well, I'm no Chippendales dancer, but I'm none of those things you've mentioned.
Actually, that is a pretty stupid statement you made, it sounds like something some of my buddies would say that have never left the U.S. in their entire lives. And besides, this thread isn't about "White Women" as you put it, it's about "American Women": they can come in any race/religion/etc.
Anyways, why do you think we are all fat, aging and unattractive, because we pay for sex? In case you haven't noticed, all men pay for sex, no matter how "handsome" they are. Just to give you an example, Charlie Sheen has probably banged more hookers than any member here on the ISG, would you call him fat and unattractive? Just curious.
Actually, I wonder what Mr. Sheen's screenname here on the ISG is?
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[QUOTE=Yogin]I can easily get it for free from hotties in Japan. My GF's from China & Japan have been great experiences; I'll never go back to American. So far my part anyway, I'm not talking just about the "hobby".[/QUOTE]
I congratulate you! I have also gotten 'free' sex here in Thailand, but only with various old maids and less attractive women which the Thai men won't have. I much prefer prostitutes.
Perhaps perversely, my girlfriends in America were hotter by far than any freebie I've had in Asia, and actually hotter than most prostitutes I have had here. To be fair I'm a very economy minded shopper, and I left the US at about 32 (anyone can get hot girls in his twenties), and now I'm nearing 40.
Overall my impression has never been one that the women are generally that much better here or there. I also find sexual skills to be comparable. My expatriation is more about price and availability - as well as general quality of life issues like cost of living and good food - than about any innate preference for Asian women or dislike of American ones.
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[QUOTE=Ezinho]Anyways, why do you think we are all fat, aging and unattractive, because we pay for sex? In case you haven't noticed, all men pay for sex, no matter how "handsome" they are. Just to give you an example, Charlie Sheen has probably banged more hookers than any member here on the ISG, would you call him fat and unattractive? [/QUOTE]
Well, yes, Ezinho, Mr. Sheen is now a rather old man is he not? I doubt he could be considered so attractive these days. My point was not about what sort of man pays for sex, or how, or how much, but rather about a bit of hubris in some of the posts here.
Certainly we may all complain about the devious American woman, but I see no difference between them and the women here. I have never tried marriage with either sort, but I'm sure it would be equally disastrous.
I'm also ready to admit that we men are unlikely to be very attractive as we age, though I admit also that I know nothing about what women find 'attractive'.
To me the 'secret' is not locale as much as it is the elixir of prostitution. If this wonderful practice were legalized in the Bad Place, I'm sure it would improve life there immediately, just as here in Thailand things get worse every year as prostitution is slowly but surely brought to heel.
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[QUOTE=Ezinho] Charlie Sheen has probably banged more hookers than any member here on the ISG, would you call him fat and unattractive? Just curious.
Actually, I wonder what Mr. Sheen's screenname here on the ISG is?[/QUOTE]
Awww damn! I knew I was gonna get busted one of these days!
Rock
ps. just kidding..... as if.
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In reality, in China, fat women are considered status symbols the same way platinum blondes are considered "trophies" in the West. I saw a program on TV about a modern Chinese couple in Shanghai, the husband was fit but the wife was HUGE, during the show the husband took his wife to the supermarket. Still most Asian women are slim and conform to the Western notion of beauty that most of us value but that's just part of the attitude in a part of the world where there is a lot of economic disparity and food is never taken for granted. Thailand is getting expensive by Asian standards, not quite Westernized but Indonesia with over a population of 150 million women offers a lot more.
Prices change quickly, in the 90's, Prague was considered a bargain basement place to meet beautiful women, now its one of the most expensive places in Europe. You will have to go further East into former Soviet territory to find good value. I heard amazing things about Kazakhstan, maybe Borat wasn't kidding.
Charlie Sheen banging hookers, that is not strange at all even though someone like that should be able to get it for free. Some people actually like that because they just want a moment of hot sex and to make everything else go away. Rich and famous guys attract gold diggers.
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Statistics
Some statistics:
My company is quite multinational and we are sending people across the world. We have subsidiaries in Thailand and Brazil.
Each project in Brazil and Thailand, also Indonesia, China etc. results in a 70% divorce rate within or shortly after the assignment. This happens from People out of Europe, US, UK and also Australia and affects all rankings from hourly paid people to vice president with higher %-tag for the higher ranking. Lets say 60% 'only' for the hourly and 100% for sure for vice president and executive directors. The non-divorces have to 100% a girlfriend, mostly a pay-freebee (you know what I mean: Compensation indirect). Divorce rate is 0 % for Brazilians, Asians moving to US or Europe.
Regards
Brain666
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This has been said a number of times in different forums, but is worth repeating here. Society(in reality, female propaganda) has it all wrong. Most of us pay for it when we choose to..... and we do so for the convenience. We do so for the variety. We do so because we are the lucky ones who can afford to have that kind of fun.
Women, and society in general (which seems to add up to the same thing these days) just don't understand this concept. What's more, they don't WANT to understand it. There are always a few guys that go the P4P route bc it's their only option, but they are definitely a small minority.
Rock
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[QUOTE=Rock Dog]This has been said a number of times in different forums, but is worth repeating here. Society(in reality, female propaganda) has it all wrong. Most of us pay for it when we choose to..... and we do so for the convenience. We do so for the variety. We do so because we are the lucky ones who can afford to have that kind of fun.
Women, and society in general (which seems to add up to the same thing these days) just don't understand this concept. What's more, they don't WANT to understand it. There are always a few guys that go the P4P route bc it's their only option, but they are definitely a small minority.
Rock[/QUOTE]
Exactly. Women just don't want to hear it. Just like they don't want to hear that some of those pros are smokin' hot.
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[QUOTE=Rock Dog]
Women, and society in general (which seems to add up to the same thing these days) just don't understand this concept. What's more, they don't WANT to understand it. There are always a few guys that go the P4P route bc it's their only option, but they are definitely a small minority.
Rock[/QUOTE]
Unfortunately, I belong to that "small minority". If it weren't for the proximity to Mexico that I enjoy having being located in Los Angeles, I would've been like a dead fish out of water. I'm pretty much like a fish out of water over here except with the opportunity to dive into water now and then so as to avoid becoming completely dead. LOL!! Not a gratifying experience, that's for sure and definitely nothing to brag and much less so, feel happy about. I consider myself to be average looking, I exercise, diet and take good care of myself (i.e. clean-cut, well groomed, etc...) I'm 35 years old and with a relatively normal lifestyle (i.e. college graduate, versed in several languages, no drugs, stable employment, etc..) And yet again, I have to travel abroad to get it, one way or another, either through p4p or through non-pro women. I totally agree with the posters here who complaint about AW and their horrific attitudes and personalities. Funny how most of that goes away the moment I'm only a few yards south of the U.S. border. Go figure!!!!
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To paraphrase Charlie Sheen, " I don't pay them for sex, I pay them to leave"!
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P4p?
What is the definition of small minority that absolutely needs to pay? I'm 44, average shape, great career, I can definitely afford to take out AW and show them a good time. But frankly its not worth my time and effort, because the better looking one will require more time and effort to unlock. Sure I can easily cruise local places and pick up less attractive women, but I'd rather go abroad and have my feast of hotties in their 20's.
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Cyber et al.
Naw man, there's nothing strange about that at all. I myself have experienced what I like to call "the superman effect".
In one place, you're joe average, then you go somewhere tropical.... and all of a sudden you're superman! No woman too good looking to talk to. No pussy that's too classy to have a taste of.
I'd take a few pics while on vacation. Nothing "incriminating" if you know what I mean. Just some pics of you and one or two of the local hotties shopping, hangin' at a nice restaurant or whatever.
Show them to some of your local AWs and watch as they re-evaluate. Be very obscure when they start asking te inevitable questions. If they can't tell whether or not your hot friends are "for real"....(but they are, photos!! ) they will slowly go nuts.
Rock
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[QUOTE=Paesano63]What is the definition of small minority that absolutely needs to pay? I'm 44, average shape, great career, I can definitely afford to take out AW and show them a good time. But frankly its not worth my time and effort, because the better looking one will require more time and effort to unlock. Sure I can easily cruise local places and pick up less attractive women, but I'd rather go abroad and have my feast of hotties in their 20's.[/QUOTE]
perfectly summed up.
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The Superman effect happens when you come from a wealthy country and go to a poor one. There is a hierarchy of needs, a psychological theory that explains this, in poor countries women need their most basic needs met, while in rich ones women are more complicated.
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I don't think that covers it. Plenty of mongering destinations are poor by US standards (US is after all still in the top 5 richest countries), but people there are by no means starving. Most of Latin America is like that, DR, CR, Brazil, Colombia, Venezuela. Most people are struggling to get by but there is still food on the table, so they aren't THAT desperate.
On the contrary I think it's the way we FOCUS on material things here, that makes us never satisfied even though the fridge is full and the bills are paid. We always keep worrying about material things and never even make it up to the next level.
For that theory to make sense, NOBODY moving to the US from a (comparatively) poorer nation would EVER want to go back under any circumstances. Yet most of them want to, and in fact 50% or in some cases even more of them do!
I really think it boils down to cultural differences, that they just have something we have lost up here. I actually think the same thing that is carrying loads of gringos on planes down to Latin America is the same thing that draws people BACK to it, despite better economic conditions in the US.
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Don't forget Class and the Cops
A lot of generalizations about nationality fail to take into account economic class. I'm sure most of those who post upon this board are of the upper middle class (by the american definition, or middle class by the English definition). The lower working classes in the US, I can tell you, are rather similar to the classes in the 'third world' from which our service providers are drawn. And after all they are the great majority of americans.
I frequently found reasonable service and a rough but adequate level of attractiveness for $50 to $100 back in the Bad Place, which is actually cheaper relative to the cost of rent or of a meal than here in Thailand. It is true they're likely to be a bit fatter, but that is due to corporate food (i.e control) more than standard of living.
Those girls were of the lower class - more likely to be beaten by their male compatriots than to be imbued with 'feminist' sensibilities. By the same token, upper-middle class Thai girls I have dated seem relatively 'american' to me - they certainly don't take a lot of guff or remove my shoes for me.
Of course in all four cases - upper-third, lower-third, first-lower, or first-upper, intimacy to the level of bondage (marriage) is [b]absolutely inadvisable[/b].
The main difference we find between the 'third world' and the Bad Place is simply enforcement - america is much more of a police state than those places. There are simply VAST numbers of poor people in the US, and most of those who used to have middle income jobs are rapidly declining to the working poor status. There is a huge supply of desperate people there - in many ways more desperate than here in Thailand. I think the big difference is simply that here you used to be able to 'get away with it', while in the US enormous resources are expended in trying to prevent sex and drug use - with a surprisingly high degree of success. Recently here Thailand has been catching up as a police state very rapidly.
Come to the third world soon fellows - the Forces of Social Control are working as hard as they can to close it down just as they did with your neighborhood streetcorner.
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Bango, well said.
I've noticed some similar things in my travels. WE are wealthy in terms of having lots of "stuff" ie. material possesions. Yet, often find ourselves somehow happier when we are spending time in a so-called third world country. Maybe it's just because we can finally get laid or maybe it's something more. I suspect the latter is true.
I've noticed that guys posted at jobs in these countries invariably go chasing after the local girls soon after arriving. If they are married, have a GF or whatever, it doesn't matter..... they inevitably discover the superior qualities possesed by the local women.
I knew a guy who worked for the US state department at an embassy in one of these countries. His wife was actually there too and they were living together. Guess what? She was insanely vigilant.... to the point of being paranoid, that hubby was scoring on the side with the local talent. My guess is that he was. In any case, they aren't married anymore. He's probably a poorer, but happier man now.
Opebo thinks the third world is catching up to us somehow in terms of social attitudes or something. I disagree. There's always going to be cross-cultural influences, whether good or bad, but the gap is too great. Be patient my friends, life is filled with little disappointments, but all things change. Opebo has suggested as much. Perhaps someday we will see the equivalent of a third world class of people within the borders of the US itself. Good looking women get a lot less cocky when times are tough.
Rock
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Doesn't cover it at all. Wealthy countries such as Japan are pussy paradise for visiting Americans and other westerners. It's easy to get it for free! So a country's wealth or lack thereof doesn't tell the whole story of our prospects.
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[QUOTE=Rock Dog]
Perhaps someday we will see the equivalent of a third world class of people within the borders of the US itself. Good looking women get a lot less cocky when times are tough.
Rock[/QUOTE]
Hey Rock Dog, I hate to be quoting you so frequently but I couldn't avoid doing so this time again. Trust me, it's all in good spirits.
I think we have had for a very long time a "third world class of people within the borders of the US itself". This has been more so the case since the current administration has been in power. I don't mean to get political here because I know that the main purpose of this forum is for other, better-suited purposes. But as happens here, now and then, you can't avoid talking about it.
Looking at what happened in the gulf region after hurricane Katrina and about the great number of people that slide down from middle-class to working poor every year - does say a lot about our own "third world class of people". And this is just to mention two things, I'm not even talking about the number of public kitchens and homeless families that we don't hear about through the corporate media but that exist and are real and true.
I'm not sure that the attitudes of AW have changed at all, if anything, for the worst. Considering how hard it is to land good paying jobs (or a decent job, altogether) in order to be able to afford all the materialistic and superficial lifestyles required by the status quo - one would imagine that on an overall basis, the attitudes of AW would be more in par with those of women in the "third world". But I think that the opposite is true.
I do agree with you, Rock Dog, in that we should keep the faith in looking forward to positive changes. Hopefully things here in Sex Prison USA will change for the better and with that the attitudes of our beloved (but not coveted) AW. However, I'm not sure if I have the will or the patience to wait for either to happen. And from the look of things, it seems as if the trend will only get worse in every aspect. Don't mean to be pessimistic here - maybe just realistic, IMHO.
Bango Cheito, I couldn't agree with you more. Maybe having all the materialistic possessions in the world will still not bring about true happiness. We have definitely lost our focus in seeking the material for the real. People in the "third world" may be poorer but as has been said here - happier. I certainly prefer to be happier too.
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Craigslist
another brilliant post from craigslist, written by a female, no less...
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as usual, i was cruising the internet looking for something to read when i came across my latest target. a “women’s only” website posted the list below. now, normally i’m all for debunking myths. for example i am glad to know that not all mexicans work as gardeners. it also makes me happy to see that not all black people are in gangs and that all white people are not preppy annoying penis holes. those myths are a pleasure to debunk. now, the myths below perplex me. why you might ask? well, because i don’t think they’re myths at all. being a female, i can say with a decent degree of certainty that numbers 1-7 are indeed true.
i know an assload of you women out there swear you are the perfect girlfriend and you’re probably cursing in the general direction of your monitor right about now. well fuck you, you’re not perfect and neither is anyone else. lets get on with it shall we?
the seven myths men believe about women
women are never satisfied
women are high maintenance
women want to control men
women are jealous and possessive
women are too emotional
women who appear to be strong and competent don’t need to be taken care of
women want to rob men of their freedom
ok let’s take this slowly and one step at a time…
women are never satisfied. correct!
no, women are never satisfied. if you get a better job, she’ll want you to get a nicer car or a bigger apartment or a larger house. if you have the more desirable accommodations, she’ll then expect you to take her on better (read: more expensive) dates. oh and don’t forget, the more you make the more expensive your fucking christmas and valentine’s day gifts should be. god help you if you show up with some shitty valentine and a box of chocolates. hell hath no fury like a woman jipped, trust me. fuck being scorned; we’re scorned every week when we get a smaller paycheck for doing the same job as the dude in the next cube. scorn we can deal with, cheap gifts we cannot.
women are high maintenance. bingo!
of course we’re high maintenance. an individual who makes you call them before you go out, expecting a briefing on the activities for the night, is high maintenance. a person who expects yet another call the moment you cross the threshold of your dwelling to let them know you’ve gotten home, is high maintenance. a woman, who makes you plan every date you go on because you are the guy, is high maintenance. a lady that expects you to buy her flowers every time some street vendor comes along to offer his wilted flora is high maintenance. a chick who makes you wait an hour before you can leave the house because she must first paint her face and do her hair and pick out seven different outfits, until she finds the one that makes her look desirable, but not slutty is high maintenance.
women want to control men. ¡sí!
if you hadn’t realized by now that a woman who buys you the clothes she wants you to wear, as opposed to the clothes that you want to wear, is attempting to control you, you’re hopeless and you should jump off a tall building. splat *****, you’re clueless.
women are jealous and possessive. true!
what? you don’t think you’re jealous? you’re seriously going to sit there and tell me that, if you and your man were in a bar and some pretty, young thing were sending him drinks or winking at him, you wouldn’t get jealous? fuck off, mother theresa, i don’t buy it. the next time his cell phone rings at 3:00 am i don’t want to see you flinch or scramble to grab it before he does so you can get a peek at the incoming call. as a matter of fact strike the phrase “that’s my man” from your vocabulary while you’re at it, since you’re not possessive either.
women are too emotional. you got it!
i don’t see a whole lot of men crying at the movies. i also don’t see a lot of men that break down into tears when a particularly sappy commercial comes on the television. i’ve led a pretty diverse and interesting life and i’ve had the privilege/carry the bane of, having seen a lot of things. i’ve seen a lot and i can report to you, dear reader that i’ve seen ten times as many women throwing hissy fits in the street directed at their significant others than i have seen men doing the same. i also don’t know of too many men that get together and rent movies that are meant to be emotional roller coasters so they can cry in unison. i do though, know a shit load of women that do.
women who appear to be strong and competent don’t need to be taken care of. [yes i know of is preposition, fuck off] right!
well, well, well, you only “appear” to be strong and competent, but really you’re neither. so, in essence you’re deceiving in order to manipulate. hmmmm, that sounds pretty fucking female to me, but i digress. women who appear to be strong and competent don’t need to be taken care of. what they need is therapy so they can stop pretending to be something they’re not.
women want to rob men of their freedom. oui!
freedom (n.) - a right or the power to engage in certain actions without control or interference.
-the preceding definition kind of infers independence then doesn’t it?
independence (n.) - freedom from control or influence of another or others.
now that we’ve gotten an idea of what freedom actually entails lets continue with our deconstruction of number six.
i’m assuming here that the bullshit website that posted this list of “myths” meant that these are seven “untruths” men believe about women they’re dating not just every woman under the sun. with this in mind, i’d like to delve a little deeper into the meaning and ultimately, the purpose of dating.
dating (v. tr.) - an engagement to go out socially with another person, often out of romantic interest.
ok so now that we know the definition of dating we can continue. when we date we go out with someone we like because we’re romantically interested in them and would like to spend more time getting to know this person intimately. so what exactly is the purpose of dating in the long run? do people intend on dating forever? not the people i know. most of those that call themselves my friends tell me that they’re dating to weed out the freaks and find someone they wouldn’t mind sharing a life with. now, this doesn’t necessarily mean that they want to be married. it just means that they’re dating in an effort to elect the most appropriate life partner. now, what i hear when they tell me this is: “i’m dating around to find someone i can live with and who i won’t want to choke the life out while they lay sleeping next to me a month or two into the relationship.”
ok well that’s all well and good, but when you’re in a relationship (married or not) then you have to begin thinking for two (no boys, you’re not already halfway there, thinking for your trouser snake does not count). what i’m saying is that in a relationship you have to compromise. i’m sure you’ll all agree with me there. here’s the kicker though: there is no mention of compromise in the definitions of freedom or independence. i’m guessing it’s because if you want to be free and independent then it would be counterproductive to begin compromising. so, if you want to be in a relationship with a woman than you better learn to fucking compromise now. if you’re looking for freedom and independence, go read the declaration at the national archives because you’re not going to find it in a woman who’s ass-deep in a “relationship.”
that’s right i said it, as women we’re all of the above. i’m not excluding myself because i already know i’m crazy and deranged, but guess who got me this way? yup, a man, so don’t be so quick to high five each other you misogynistic fucks. you dudes are just as fucked as we are. remember, in penguin territory, no one is safe.
bitchesssssssssssssssss.
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Rock Dog, I was born in the town you now live in. I live in NYC now but I'm through with this place. They are already building my apartment in Colombia. I have my whole life ahead of me there. And I'm moving to Bogotá, which is hardly a city where the women are passive little pushovers either. But the place just OOZES sex, it is so wonderful to be in a place where an adult can be an adult.
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bango,
you're doing pretty much the same thing i've always planned to do. this city i'm living in does have a few bright spots..... that is, until i come back from a trip. then it looks and feels like the dullest, coldest, most boring place on earth.
you just can't talk to women here. you can't even look at them for fucks sake. it's like all the halfway decent looking ones have perfected this art of completely avoiding eye contact. can't blame them though. what with the way guys makes total asses of themselves trying to ask them out all the time.
then you go "somewhere else". it's like waking up from a nightmare, or like finally escaping from some kind of asylum where you're the only one who wasn't crazy. girls don't just look at you, they even smile at you! i know that part of it is because they think you're rich or something, but that can't be all of it. in many overseas countries, people actually know their neighbours. the kids aren't raised in a climate of fear (don't talk to strangers!) where any person they don't know is a potential lunatic molester.
my wife, who is from africa, commented on this one time. she tried saying hi to a couple of boys (maybe 8 or 9 yrs old) who were hanging around outside by the sidewalk. my wife is a beautiful, well dressed young woman who speaks perfect english, but these 2 kids just stared at her like she was crazy for trying to say "hi". i just told her that's the way things are here. everybody is suspicious and afraid.
we've got this woman, lindor reynolds, who writes editorials in the local newspaper. classic armchair do-gooder. the funny thing is, she's supposed to be so good and pure, but she's always writing about the sex trade, child exploitation, ****s or whatever. it's almost like she's fascinated by this stuff and her writing about it is a means of being in contact with it. of course she's divorced, with a teenage daughter who i'm sure will soon grow up to be as fucked up as her mom. it's all a bunch of hypocrisy and bs.
they do these occasional street sweeps "to eliminate" prostitution in certain areas of town. meanwhile, there are mps where you can go inside and get fs anytime with whoever you like..... and plenty of escort ads in the phonebook, paper and internet. all the talk and half-measures are just window dressing to keep the do-gooders happy in their little fantasy world.
that's why i like places like mexico, jamaica, eastern europe and africa.... they have a realistic attitude. the women haven't taken control and men can still do what they like to do. latin america? to me that's the place where the normal people are!
rock
ps. wet nose, i suspect that article you posted actually was written by a guy. there's just something about the writing style..... too forceful, too direct and too confrontational to be written by a woman.
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You do better in 3rd world countries
[QUOTE=Yogin]Doesn't cover it at all. Wealthy countries such as Japan are pussy paradise for visiting Americans and other westerners. It's easy to get it for free! So a country's wealth or lack thereof doesn't tell the whole story of our prospects.[/QUOTE]
Yogin,
As someone living in Tokyo I tend to disagree with you. While there will be exceptions and once-in-a lifetime one-night-stands, regular Japanese chicks (office workers and the like) here tend to look down on non-Japanese and Western men as prospective sex partners. They consider Americans and Brits and others to be beneath them. Just take a good look at the Japan thread to see how perplexed and shut out we expatriate guys are here. These chicks are so cashed up and full of themselves that even Japanese guys have a hard time.
Our prospects are much, much better in places like China and the Philippines.
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Hi guys,
I am from Russia.
I found recently on internet a pickup community who name
themselves as Pick-Up artists
All these guys like Mystery, Style, David DeAngelo, Tyler Durden and
many others achieved unbelievable results with AW simply
by experimenting, analyzing and sharing their experience.
It seems to me it is very powerful movement and it is so successful that even Russian
Men in Russia started copied some of their techniques.
I agree with most of the posts that social and sexual life
sucks here but may be you guys missed something?
May be you have not used all opportunities here in US?
I would like to hear your opinions about this new movement.
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3rd world countries
I love it when either a working girl or a regular girl thinks I'm lying to them when I say " I dont have a girlfriend" I start laughing because they look at me dead in my eyes to see if I'm telling the truth .
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For me the jury is still out on Japan. I used to think that Japan was way too tough on non-Japanese men for pussy, but I am hearing way too many reports to the contrary to ignore. I think it boils down to learning the culture and the language just like anywhere else on Earth (I do NOT recommend Bogotá for mongering for non-Spanish speakers).
I also have heard that some circles of Japanese women like to sleep with Westerners because it's almost like a bestiality fantasy for them, they see us as a bunch of fucking primates :)
I also notice a BIG difference in North America compared to when I was a kid in the 70s and 80s. The social fabric was in much better condition then IMHO. And p4p was certainly easier then. I remember thinking to myself as a teenager, how the fuck do these women stand out there when it's like -35 and they are wearing a goddamn mini-skirt. Must have been some chemical aid at work there!
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[QUOTE=Lenin]Hi guys,
I am from Russia.
I found recently on internet a pickup community who name
themselves as Pick-Up artists
All these guys like Mystery, Style, David DeAngelo, Tyler Durden and
many others achieved unbelievable results with AW simply
by experimenting, analyzing and sharing their experience.
It seems to me it is very powerful movement and it is so successful that even Russian
Men in Russia started copied some of their techniques.
I agree with most of the posts that social and sexual life
sucks here but may be you guys missed something?
May be you have not used all opportunities here in US?
I would like to hear your opinions about this new movement.[/QUOTE]
A man named David DeAngelo wrote a book some years ago on how to pick up women. Note that 'picking-up women' is not the same as developing a relationship. Most of the complaints about AWs relates to long-term relationships, not one night stands.
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I think one of the reasons why long-term relationships sucks here because a woman don’t need to compete for her man.
In Russia, for example, mostly a man is a prize for the woman.
Here a woman is a prize for the man. Such situation in US corrupts woman’s mentality.
A lot of Pick-up artists claim what they have good long term relationships partially
because their girlfriends afraid that they can be replaced easily.
Also their techniques help to filter out hundreds of women so it is easy for them to find good one.
I like about Pick-up Artist’s philosophy what they kick out woman from the
Pedestal. Practically they teach how to restore balance which
already exists in others countries.
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Yaaawwwwnnn!
Well, this forum has gotten pretty boring lately. Or maybe you guys are all still hung over from St. Patricks?
Rock
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Or may be guys are reading DeAngelo?
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[QUOTE=Lenin]I think one of the reasons why long-term relationships sucks here because a woman don’t need to compete for her man. [/QUOTE]
I think it is worse than that. Women here don't need a man at all!!!!
I and others ran into so many American women whose mantra was "I don't need no man! I don't need you! I only [i]want[/i] a man." that we gave up on them.
I am glad to here that Russian women are not like that, though I am not into ruskayas.
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[QUOTE=George90]
I and others ran into so many American women whose mantra was "I don't need no man! I don't need you! I only [i]want[/i] a man." that we gave up on them.[/QUOTE]
Well, do you 'need' or 'want' a woman? I don't see anything particularly troubling about the attitude you describe, other than the bad grammar.
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[QUOTE=George90]
I am glad to here that Russian women are not like that ...[/QUOTE]
I think if most of American guys would not act like wussy, the situation here could be different too.
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[QUOTE=Lenin]I think if most of American guys would not act like wussy, the situation here could be different too.[/QUOTE]
OOoohhh SNAP! Now you went and started it.
Well yes, in a way it's true.... we sat by and did nothing while they got worse and worse. First they wanted a few rights, like the right to vote etc. Well there's nothing wrong with that. But those women just kept on going. They went slowly at first so we men didn't really see what was happening until it was too late.
Now it's too late. Any man here who acts like a real man runs the risk of losing his job, getting legal hassles (ie. harassment) or getting labelling as a "chauvinist".
There was this show on TV a week ago where the wives in 2 families trade places. One wife came from a lower income "slob family". The other wife came from a higher income "show-off" type of family.
They both had 3 kids. But the wife from the slob familiy actually had a pretty good attitude. The other one was a high-maintenance **** with a really shallow bitchy attitude. Her husband was selfish ass too. He'd just through money at her and the 3 daughters so they'd leave him alone while he went off to play golf.
So, do these women create themselves or do we men make them the way they are? My guess would be that the high maintenance ones tend to seek out assholes like her husband. Guys like him provide women like her with the thing that is most important to her. Women usually go for the guy they figure can help them achieve their most important goal. If that goal is to have a couple of kids and a close-knit family, they go for the family type of guy. If t goal is a big house wit new cars and lots of expensive stuff, they marry the high income jerk.
It's not the mens fault that women are the way they are, but we do often help them reach their full potential.
Rock
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Observation
At work, we recently hired a chick (22-23) who is attractive enough to have about three schmoes to buy her furniture, take her to restaurants, drive her around in high-performance sports cars and other emasculating tasks. She tried to work me by saying: "Now that you got your profit-sharing check, you can take me out to dinner". I thought to myself: "Man, she has some COJONES, not even KNOWING me." I told her: "Doll, women take ME out to dinner. NOT the other way around". She had a comeback, but the ground rules were set. After seeing her on a daily basis, I don't think she's attractive enough to get into a fight for. On the other side of the coin, she works what she's got SUCCESSFULLY, so, I can't hate. In fact, I can't hate on ANY AW if they can pull it off. It's the fault of the AM if he surrenders his balls.
Verbal javelins, while expected, are welcome.
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Bogotanas
[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]Rock Dog, I was born in the town you now live in. I live in NYC now but I'm through with this place. They are already building my apartment in Colombia. I have my whole life ahead of me there. And I'm moving to Bogotá, which is hardly a city where the women are passive little pushovers either. But the place just OOZES sex, it is so wonderful to be in a place where an adult can be an adult.[/QUOTE]I just dumped a Colombian woman from Bogota who is as selfish, insensitive, and rude as the "best" of any American woman I have known. It was a pleasure to do it after 4 months too since I know she's more used to guys kissing her ass than telling her how much of a rude, self-absorbed person she can be.
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Why did you give the ***** 4 months?
I'm very fortunate to have a gf that is the complete opposite of that. I'd trust her with my life ten times over. However if I didn't have a girl like that, I'd be availing myself of all the opportunities for p4p down there.
Actually we HAVE been availing ourselves together, check out my report in that section :P
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[QUOTE=Rock Dog]
It's not the mens fault that women are the way they are, ...
Rock[/QUOTE]
In their core the women in all countries are same.
They want to be parasite on men.
In Russia feminism was official policy and was supported
by full power of communist regime since 1917, but men in Russia didn’t let
this shit happened.
It is AM fault that they let women did all this shit here in US.
Also when AM go abroad they spoil girls there too.
AM really have bad social virus.
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[QUOTE=Sinanju Master]At work, we recently hired a chick (22-23) who is attractive enough to have about three schmoes to buy her furniture, take her to restaurants, drive her around in high-performance sports cars and other emasculating tasks. She tried to work me by saying: "Now that you got your profit-sharing check, you can take me out to dinner". I thought to myself: "Man, she has some COJONES, not even KNOWING me." I told her: "Doll, women take ME out to dinner. NOT the other way around". She had a comeback, but the ground rules were set. After seeing her on a daily basis, I don't think she's attractive enough to get into a fight for. On the other side of the coin, she works what she's got SUCCESSFULLY, so, I can't hate. In fact, I can't hate on ANY AW if they can pull it off. It's the fault of the AM if he surrenders his balls.
Verbal javelins, while expected, are welcome.[/QUOTE]
Since I came to US I still can not accustom that such idiots exist.
In Russia they would be ridiculed by friends and coworkers and lost any respect.
Here is a Russian style. I know one Russian man, construction worker. 58 old years, but he still has “alpha man” behavior. He lives in Brooklyn, NY. He has a cute 30 years old Russian girlfriend. She has university degree. He beat her once a week and keep telling her that she is garbage in comparison with his ex wife. One day he decided that $100/month which he spend for her entertainment is too much. He gave her drink, called police and kicked out her from his apartment. A lot of young Americanized woosy men wanted her but she didn’t care and returned back to him.
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[QUOTE=Sinanju Master]At work, we recently hired a chick (22-23) who is attractive enough to have about three schmoes to buy her furniture, take her to restaurants, drive her around in high-performance sports cars and other emasculating tasks. She tried to work me by saying: "Now that you got your profit-sharing check, you can take me out to dinner". I thought to myself: "Man, she has some COJONES, not even KNOWING me." I told her: "Doll, women take ME out to dinner. NOT the other way around". She had a comeback, but the ground rules were set. After seeing her on a daily basis, I don't think she's attractive enough to get into a fight for. On the other side of the coin, she works what she's got SUCCESSFULLY, so, I can't hate. In fact, I can't hate on ANY AW if they can pull it off. It's the fault of the AM if he surrenders his balls.
Verbal javelins, while expected, are welcome.[/QUOTE]
Hey Sinanju Master you've hit the nail right on the head. We only have ourselves to blame for the behavior of AW.
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[QUOTE=Lenin]
Also when AM go abroad they spoil girls there too.[/QUOTE]
This is very true, though also some Western European and Japanese men are very bad as well, particularly about overpaying.
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[QUOTE=Rock Dog]
First they wanted a few rights..nothing wrong with that. But those women just kept on going. They went slowly at first so we men didn't really see what was happening......
Now it's too late. Any man here who acts like a real man runs the risk of losing his job, getting legal hassles (ie. harassment) or getting labelling as a "chauvinist".
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So true. I'm back in school now for a professional degree. These uber-feminist cunts run higher education now, in my area. If I dare publicly challenge the accuracy of their assumptions & dogma that they are still an oppressed group, I would be branded a number of unpleasant things and they'd make things very difficult for me.
"Chauvinist" has been replaced by the fancy more academic-sounding "Patriarchical". Same thing. Dismisses as irrelevant anyone with the balls to disagree.
You see, that is the danger of being a fanatical true believer in any belief system, be it religion, a political philosophy, social model, etc. If I disagree with them I'm not just differing in opinion. I'm wrong, bad, and therefore demonized & dehumanized.
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[QUOTE=Yogin]So true. I'm back in school now for a professional degree. These uber-feminist cunts run higher education now, in my area. If I dare publicly challenge the accuracy of their assumptions & dogma that they are still an oppressed group, I would be branded a number of unpleasant things and they'd make things very difficult for me.
"Chauvinist" has been replaced by the fancy more academic-sounding "Patriarchical". Same thing. Dismisses as irrelevant anyone with the balls to disagree.[/QUOTE]It was that way back in 1978 when I was working on a graduate degree in business.
The topic for group discussion/interaction was the right of a woman to choose to have an abortion or not. I interjected that the man should have some say in the matter too, since he was subject to 18 years of child support. All the feminist bichtes stared at me like I was on some other planet.
BTW I will vote for Hilary Bich Clinton when women get drafted and open doors for me.
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Younger hotter girl or 30+yr soccer mom.........
If I had a choice between a younger hotter girl and a 30+yr old soccer mom. I would pick the soccer mom without any hesitation. Why you ask?? The younger, hotter girls are scarcely worth the effort. "They seem to think lighting shoots out of their pussy-------'Oh, you want sex, what are you going to give me?' The soccer mom is like, "I just want you to fuck the living shit out of me."
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Salma Hayek
This just in.....
Apparently Salma Hayek, you know her....the hot latina babe with the big boobies!! Anyways, Salma has found her one true love. Yes, he's some European guy (French maybe) and not only are they getting married, but he's already got her knocked up. Oh and btw, he's a billionaire of course.
Smart comment by a blogger on the whole thing. "How nice that Salma has found her soulmate.... and he just happens to be a billionaire. It's amazing how, even in our age of advanced technology, love can be so unpredictable."
Good sarcasm! Little bit disappointing though. What with Salma being a latina and all, I figured she might be attracted to something besides money. Same old pattern though. Push the movie career untl you're in your late 30's. Then right about the time the offers for good parts are drying up, the actress decides "it's time for a family"..... English translation (from feminese): I selfishly pursued money, fame and career until recently, but now I need to get pregnant before I hit menopause and it's too late.
Lenin is right about one thing. Women DO want to become parasites on men. Mostly, it's a reproductive thing..... first they find a guy who's fairly easy to get along with. Then, they sucker him into marriage, or some similar arrangement where he ends up footing the bill for everything. Yeah, there are women who work for a living too, but they still usually try and find a guy that makes more than they do.
My own wife has been PUSHING me to have a kid. You wouldn't believe the pissy attitude when another month goes by without the "good news". I promised her we could have kids as soon as certain conditions were met. Now everything is set and we've been trying, but she's being so fucking impatient about the whole thing. I don't think many men out there understand how strong this motivation can be for women.
Comments?
Rock
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[QUOTE=Npaul1]It was that way back in 1978 when I was working on a graduate degree in business.
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Trust me: it's far worse. Those angry entitled bitches you went to school with are now the tenured full professors running the show, having been installed as such by retiring old guys with misplaced misdirected white man's guilt.
I complained to a male longtime professor about this. While he did validate some of my concerns and admitted to being the target of ridiculous entitlement-imbued demands from his colleagues, he suggested I have more of an open mind, compassion, & empathy. Doubt he'd say that to the feminazis. So ironic this, as in most instances I'd consider myself a flaming liberal. But as to feminism, it's such a crock.
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[QUOTE=Rock Dog]Little bit disappointing though. What with Salma being a latina and all, I figured she might be attracted to something besides money. [/QUOTE]
Why would you expect Latina women to be different? Women (and indeed, females of all species) are selected to seek out resources for themsleves and their offspring. I would not begrudge women for seeking resources (by marrying someone who can be a good provider; in case of other animals by mating with males that can hold territory or otherwise provide resources to the female) any more than I do men who want to sleep around. This is for the simple reason that women can maximize their reproduction by garnering resources for themselves and their offspring; similarly males can maximize their reproduction by mating with as many females as possible. Think about this: a female that mates with 10 males has no more offspring than a female that mates with only 1-2 males. On the other hand, the number of offspring a male can have is directly proportional to the number of females he can mate with. This equation is fine - in so far as it is common throughout the animal and plant kingdom. The problem, however, is the justice system in the US and elsewhere - the courts have decidedly swung in favor of mothers in every case regardless of the fact that it may not be the best outcome in all cases.
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This is true, because...
[QUOTE=Astor Bryan]If I had a choice between a younger hotter girl and a 30+yr old soccer mom. I would pick the soccer mom without any hesitation. Why you ask?? The younger, hotter girls are scarcely worth the effort. "They seem to think lighting shoots out of their pussy-------'Oh, you want sex, what are you going to give me?' The soccer mom is like, "I just want you to fuck the living shit out of me."[/QUOTE]
... Soccer mom may be experiencing a waning sex life at home due to kids, a job (IF she has one), housework, feeding and caring for a family that is a constant burden, a hubby who has let himself go and is no longer attentive to her needs, etc. By this time, she may have gained enough experience in the sack to make a Bengal tiger seem like a sedated housecat. I saw an example of what one just may look like (provided she still keeps herself looking great) on a swimsuit site called Wicked Weasel. Her name is Marilyn. Here is the link to see what she looks like.
[url]http://contris.wickedweasel.com/posts/2007-03-08/marylin/1[/url]
The younger, less experienced honey would only have her body (with little or NO useful sexual experience) to offer.
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Crypton
Your post rings so true. I grew up believing the bullshit spewed out by Hollywood about the golden-hearted guy getting the girl, because she eventually dumps the player and sees in golden-hearted guy the qualities she'd been seeking in a guy all along. I'll be the first to admit to the world that what I needed was for a bunch of guys to line up, one after the other, to punch me dead in the face to make me see the world for what it really is. Pragmatism rules, and the second a guy realizes that, he can employ cunning instead of following a bullshit script written for chicks to enjoy.
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[QUOTE=Crypton] ...males can maximize their reproduction by mating with as many females as possible. Think about this: a female that mates with 10 males has no more offspring than a female that mates with only 1-2 males. On the other hand, the number of offspring a male can have is directly proportional to the number of females he can mate with. QUOTE]
True, however if a female mates with multiple males while duping her mate that all the kids are his, she has the best of both worlds: a mate who provides resources & protection, and the chance to pick & choose genetic material from a variety of males. So there is an evolutionary advantage for both sexes to pretend to pair off while cheating.
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There is no question that in women the biological drive to get pregnant is VERY strong.
My ex wife never mentioned them when we first met, but a couple years later it was her ONLY topic of conversation. I finally told her we could have kids but she would have to pick up my slack as I could easily be too busy and travelling to much to do my share, and that as long as that was fine with her, we could have them.
So 9 months later my daughter was born and SHE SHOWED HER TRUE COLORS. I don't think she had any intention of keeping her part of the bargain from jump. She probably thought that having kids would 'change me' fat fucking chance!!
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yeah, i see the same thing coming. it's like "you promised me we could have kids". so i say yeah, but you're gonna be busy taking care of them..... it's not gonna be like back home where you've got a bunch of sisters, nieces and other female family relatives to chip in with taking care of the kids.
of course she doesn't see things that way. she's so blinded by this baby fever she just ignores anything that might be contrary to her goal. i'm evening wondering if she cares about me anymore, or if my sole function is to assist in her procreational scheme.
there's not a chance that i'm going to be hanging around 7 nights a week listening to a squawking baby while i change crappy [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord131][CodeWord131][/url]. if she wants to experience "the joy of motherhood", she's welcome to it......all of it.
rock
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[quote=Npaul1]Trust me: it's far worse. Those angry entitled bitches you went to school with are now the tenured full professors running the show, having been installed as such by retiring old guys with misplaced misdirected white man's guilt.[/quote]
I think it also depends on the field of study. In English, Psychology, Medicine, Art, yes, women dominated in those fields and male students are subjected to feminist prejudice.
However, women are either not attracted to (or not suited to) fields like Engineering or Computer Science. Men still dominate in those fields and the male students in them are relatively free of feminist forces.
I now wish I had studied computer science when I was in college. But at that time, the PC had not yet evolved and computers were not nearly as powerful and versatile as they are now.
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]There is no question that in women the biological drive to get pregnant is VERY strong. [/QUOTE]
I have seen this and been told this by some honest women, but I am also confused by it because the numbers of children women (in the US and Europe) are having is declining, while the numbers of childless women is rising.
There is a rash of adoptions also going on. Many women who don't want the difficulties of a man around the house, adopt children from China or Eastern Europe.
From what I have seen of how [i]some[/i] women behave with their children, is that they want to recreate the artificial doll family man had as little girls. I am thinking about the pageants that some mothers go crazy over. Its the JonBenet syndrome; she wasn't treated like a child, she was treated like a toy. Some many want to have a real live toy doll to play with, to dress up, to show off, to see sing and dance in pageants, to make beautiful.
Then some other mothers want to have a 'best friend' and treat their daughters like buddies instead of children. I had a former colleague, a mother, who slept with her daughter, then 5, in her daughter's bed more often than she slept with her husband in the marital bed. She told me this without any hint of shame or inkling that it was weird.
I am not sure how strong the motive of passing on one's genes are in women generally.
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[QUOTE=George90]I am not sure how strong the motive of passing on one's genes are in women generally.[/QUOTE]
Trust me, it can be very strong. Women are especially driven by this need in their late teens all the way up to their early 30's.
I call it "Baby Rabies".
The only known cures are a.) having one, or b.) menopause.
Rock
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[QUOTE=Rock Dog]I call it "Baby Rabies". [/QUOTE]
Exactly! For some women any baby will do. And what is important is having the baby around to play with and show off to everyone.
As opposed to bearing one's own biological child, focusing on being the parent, not the friend, and guiding the child through childhood so that he/she develops into a well-rounded, well adjusted, successful adult.
I see too much of the former, 'Baby Rabies', and too little of the latter. normal motherhood.
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[quote=rock dog]yeah, i see the same thing coming. it's like "you promised me we could have kids". so i say yeah, but you're gonna be busy taking care of them..... it's not gonna be like back home where you've got a bunch of sisters, nieces and other female family relatives to chip in with taking care of the kids.
of course she doesn't see things that way. she's so blinded by this baby fever she just ignores anything that might be contrary to her goal. i'm evening wondering if she cares about me anymore, or if my sole function is to assist in her procreational scheme.
there's not a chance that i'm going to be hanging around 7 nights a week listening to a squawking baby while i change crappy [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord131][CodeWord131][/url]. if she wants to experience "the joy of motherhood", she's welcome to it......all of it.
rock[/quote]
dude be prepared. as it stood i spent a lot of time with my kids when they were younger but it was never enough. i went out with friends once during the first six weeks of my first kid's life. i even told my then wife to get a babysitter and come along! she wouldn't have it, and i was a bad father. she still brings it up from time to time!
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[QUOTE=Yogin]
True, however if a female mates with multiple males while duping her mate that all the kids are his, she has the best of both worlds: a mate who provides resources & protection, and the chance to pick & choose genetic material from a variety of males. So there is an evolutionary advantage for both sexes to pretend to pair off while cheating.[/QUOTE]
Good point and I agree. However, my point was about the assumption that Selma Hayek would not be attracted to money just because she is latina!!
Cheers
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[QUOTE=Lenin]
Also when AM go abroad they spoil girls there too.
AM really have bad social virus.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Opebo] This is very true, though also some Western European and Japanese men are very bad as well, particularly about overpaying. [/QUOTE]
Some AM men have a tendency to overpay but at least some have the opportunity not to do so. Most Japanese men have to spend more on pussy because they have zero game.
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Hubris
[QUOTE=The Corn Hole]Some AM men have a tendency to overpay but at least some have the opportunity not to do so. Most Japanese men have to spend more on pussy because they have zero game.[/QUOTE]
Beware, The Corn Hole, your pride is nothing more than a tool she will use to trick you! See posts by the excellent 'Humble Turd' (aka 'That Asshole') for further explication.
Perhaps if you have 'game' you should be the pimp, not the john?
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Pimp
If you have one girlfriend or wife. You are a boyfriend or husband.
If you have two girlfriends at the same time. You are a player.
If you have three girls and more at the same time. You are a pimp.
[QUOTE=Opebo]Beware, The Corn Hole, your pride is nothing more than a tool she will use to trick you! See posts by the excellent 'Humble Turd' (aka 'That Asshole') for further explication.
Perhaps if you have 'game' you should be the pimp, not the john?[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=The Corn Hole]Some AM men have a tendency to overpay but at least some have the opportunity not to do so. Most Japanese men have to spend more on pussy because they have zero game.[/QUOTE]
Italians have good game. French Canadians not bad too.
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Who is playing and who is getting played?
[QUOTE=Lenin]Italians have good game. French Canadians not bad too.[/QUOTE]
That might depend on the environment they are in. In Europe or America they might do well, but it's also a question of perspective Lenin.
In EE, Italians are notorious overpayers in Romania, Moldova and Ukraine and are essentially ruining those markets with their clumsy "game". They think they have much better game than they actually do. Don't buy into their advertising. The only people they are cheap to are the waiters and service staff... actually the people you SHOULDNT be cheap to. They throw money at women, much of it thrown straight out the window.
I know some Italians with excellent game, but also watch in horror as most of them completely fuck things up. Seen it too many times. With a lot of girls in areas that Italian sex tourists frequent "Italiano" is a running joke.
I do give them credit for style and effort though... they are everywhere that pussy is... and they make good wingmen. :)
Most men of every nation stop thinking clearly as soon as pussy in involved. It's a fundamental weakness.
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[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Most men of every nation stop thinking clearly as soon as pussy in involved. It's a fundamental weakness.[/QUOTE]
I completely agree with this comment.
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Italians are ALL OVER Cuba and Brazil. RTFF! Porco Dio!
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]Italians are ALL OVER Cuba and Brazil. RTFF! Porco Dio![/QUOTE]
I can't speak for SA and the Caribbean... nor for LOS or SEA... but from my experience they are really everywhere in Europe and Eastern Europe... some of the world's most prolific mongerers... I actually respect that. That doesn't mean they have game though.
It is often lamented that where they go (in groups) the prices for pro sex usually go up and the local "freebie" girls "mysteriously" become less interested in foreign men Italian or otherwise.
Whether or not this is really due to them is up to some sociologist to decide, but that is a common consensus among those travelling in EE... see Latvia, Ukraine, Moldova... that an influx of Italian mongers means the market will soon go to shit... for everybody, including the Italians.
The problem isnt the professional monger. He is skilled and generally knows how to behave in a smart manner. The problem is the amateur sex tourist who doesn't know what he is doing and throws money in the wrong directions, chases every average-looking girl as if she is some sort of goddess and generally pisses everybody off in the country he has chosen to play in and swing his dick around.
EE is full of amateur sex tourists with Italians being one of the most prominent national groups. I don't blame them for travelling abroad to get laid... but wish they'd be a little more skilled in their methods.
This goes for mongers of all nations... I don't think any one... Italians, Americans, English or otherwise... can be entirely blamed for the price increases and other problems. We are all part of the problem I suppose... but many of the "problems"...particularly economy, modern ease of travel and spread of Western attitudes via mass media... are beyond our control.
I think the biggest single factor is ease of cheap travel. I know that a lot of tourist mongers get happy when they learn of cheap airfares to their favorite mongering destination, but I wince. It's the first sign that a good thing is about to go sour.
My attitude is that if you find something good, enjoy it while it lasts... it won't last forever.
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Draculas daughters? WTF is that supposed to mean anyways?
Doesn't matter what country you come from, if you run around blowing extra $$$ on the girls (above and beyond the going rate) you are a loser. Not just that, but you fuck things up for everyone else.
You can't say "Oh, it's the Italians, or Oh those Americans with their money!" There's always dummies from every country who overdo it.... with the end result being a bunch of spoiled women with overvalued pussies.
This happens in EVERY place where there are lots of tourists. Eg. Cancun you can get inexpensive, quality pussy pretty much anywhere in Mexico. Everywhere that is, except for Cancun. There, you will pay for it. We're talking $200 for getting laid in a country where it usually costs 40 or 50 bucks. That's because Cancun is choked with tourists. Tourists who bring money and don't care about overpaying for sex.
Go somewhere where there aren't a lot of tourists and the price is alway lower. Even going in the off-season means prices are better. That's economics 101, low demand + steady supply = lower prices. Tourists represent demand, regardless of their nationality.
Rock
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Tourist Friendly Mongering
[QUOTE=Rock Dog]Doesn't matter what country you come from, if you run around blowing extra $$$ on the girls (above and beyond the going rate) you are a loser. Not just that, but you fuck things up for everyone else.[/QUOTE]
Yes very true but what about a place that is set up for the mongering tourist such as Angeles City, Philippines and people still get it wrong. The bars there have set prices and you tip a certain percentage of the bar fine if you liked the service or girl. If you did not like the service or if you are cheap, you can tip nothing. But you have Korean and Japanese dudes comming in and tipping 5 times the bar fine! Even the women there see these guys as cash cow suckers!
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I think if American went the same places where Italians go
situation would be worst
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]
Most men of every nation stop thinking clearly as soon as pussy in involved. It's a fundamental weakness.[/QUOTE]
I would say that mostly men from Westernized countries stop thinking clearly.
Western society makes weak men.
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[QUOTE=Rock Dog] Tourists represent demand, regardless of their nationality.
Rock[/QUOTE]
Not all nationalities the same. It is not just depend on demand but also on national mentality.
I’ve rarely seen Russian men overpay. Often they don't pay at all. In fact before these f**king political changes in Russia the Russian girl would be beaten my man if she asked money for sex.
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And all this is on-topic...how??
Please, my brothers. This is for the discussion of American women.
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[QUOTE=Lenin]I think if American went the same places where Italians go
situation would be worst
I would say that mostly men from Westernized countries stop thinking clearly.
Western society makes weak men.[/QUOTE]
Agreed that American tourist hordes would be at least as bad as the Italians... my point being exactly as RockDog said, there is no nation of inherent "players". Even the coolest and suavest get silly when they think they "have to get laid tonight." I'm quite skilled at getting a good price or will even go without getting any if I don't like the terms. Some may even call me cheap. But I like to be the one doing the screwing and not be the one being screwed if you know what I mean.
Western society has indeed bred weak men when it comes to relations with women, but when was the last time you were in Moscow and observed the sexual politics there? It's still vastly superior to the West in terms of women, but things are slowly changing for Russian men as well...
Men can behave like strong bruts and get what they want as long as the balance of power and sexual/economic demographics are in their favor. As soon as they start competing for the same women however, they start cutting into their own flesh as well. That's one of the things that has happened in America... combined with fucked up pseudo-morality left over from Victorian England.
But back to Russia and in particular Moscow... currently nobody overpays MORE than new Russians in Moscow for example, where among the circles of elite prostitutes and "sponsporship brides", Western people, whether American, Italian or German, are considered cheap. It's not just a matter of the local men paying more because they can. I've seen Russian men make utter fools of themselves on many occasions, toting around their girlfriend's shopping bags from one shop to the next like some browbeaten retarded slave. In most cases, the girls weren't even that hot. Girls are realizing that they don't have to put up with abuse or beatings from their oafish men... they quickly find another guy who also has the cash to keep her happy. The guys can of course still relatively easily find another girl... but this market is changing. Worst off, the attitudes of the local boys are changing. I know a lot of Russian guys in Moscow, guys with good jobs and money... and many of them let their women control them almost as bad as Western guys do. Things are certainly different in the provinces and other towns where the women have to take whatever they can get, but as soon as the balance shifts...
Fundamentally I agree with some of the Russian attitudes of sexual relations and when dealing with Slavic women, it is the most effective way... and fun too... but also see the wind changing in that country as women achieve more financial and sexual independence. It's particularly noticeable in Moscow. But like all good and bad things, eventually everything that begins in Moscow trickles down to the provinces... just as trends in America begin in California and New York. For us men these trends are regrettable and seemingly global. We can keep going farther and farther "into the country" to find things they way they should be, but globalization is catching up to us in that sense as well.
I say get laid as often as you can, I don't think things are going to get easier for us. We are just going to have to get better and better at playing the game. And maintain self-pride. No pussy is worth emasculating yourself for... American, Thai, Russian or otherwise.
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[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]I say get laid as often as you can, I don't think things are going to get easier for us. We are just going to have to get better and better at playing the game. And maintain self-pride. No pussy is worth emasculating yourself for... American, Thai, Russian or otherwise.[/QUOTE]
I generally agree with your post. Your last paragraph is not very encouraging. At least in the US, marriage, work, and sex laws ARE emasculating us. I see gays as the only men who can escape the new oppression. They are gaining more rights just as male hetero rights being are restricted. However, that road is not an option for me.
In addition, getting more 'game' is expensive in that most of us work hard at our jobs and don't have the time to improve our 'game'. It may mean losing promotions or even jobs.
Indeed, unless we are willing to relocate to less advanced countries, we are facing a bleak future.
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Gentlemen,
I found this forum by accident. Unfortunately I had no time to read closely every post in the thread about AW. Forgive me if I don’t remember all nicknames and so on.
Anyway I’m neither a prostitute nor a mongerer. I just, with curiosity, read your thoughts about American girls or maybe rather about American society.
Now I live in an EE country (where I was born). In the past I lived in Ukraine and in USA (about a few months in every country, so not so long) and I have another remarks about Eastern Europe and US.
So
1) Most of you agreed that AW are bitchy, greedy, overweight, picky, ugly, unfaithful. Etc. Creatures. I hope, gentlemen, that it’s only temporary resentment/ embitterment after meeting some gold diggers. Such people exist of course (not only in US) but I don’t believe that all AW are so horrible and even that the number of "good"AW is +- 5% of all females. To tell the truth they aren’t better or worse then American men. I’ve met different Americans who I would describe as jerks and they were both men and women. So don’t write that only AW are greedy, obese and superficial. AM can’t behave this way? This is exactly the same as I would say that all Americans are fat and stupid because such stereotype exists in EE. I think it’s a problem of all society not only AW.
But you write about 2 processes: globalization and economic development. For you the last one is a reason of AW’s horrible behaviour. Why? Because they earn good money and they don’t need a man? It doesn’t convince me.
It doesn’t matter if you’re rich or poor. Loneliness doesn’t care about it. And everyone wants to have a beloved person, am I right? If someone’s criterion when seeking a partner is his/her wealth I can only say that this person looks for nonexistent ideal. Nobody can guarantee that he/she will be rich through all life. Life is ironical and tomorrow you can lose your well-paid job because the company will restructure. And what will your sweetheart do when it turns out that you aren’t irreplaceable? Greed also has nothing to do to nationality or wealth. You can be greedy being a model in NYC as well as being a waitress in China.
If I have to point processes which have influence on people’s (not only women) behaviour I would say it’s: development of technique what’s connected to globalization, feminism and of course spreading of American culture or rather American popular culture. The mix of the processes caused that we want everything and we want it now. Magazines as "Cosmopolitan", TV, commercials changed people’s brains into water. People think that e. G. "Sex in the City" is real and stars aren’t improved in e. G. Photoshop and they really look like on the photos.
Another problem is that people can’t communicate with each other anymore. They simply forgot how to talk. Someone wrote here as a request to AW: " Don't use sex as a weapon to get what you want". It’s very sad statement.
For me, in normal relationship, woman says" "Honey, I didn’t like you beahviour today. I felt horrible. Why did you say/do this? " or "I think we need to buy a new car because 1). 2). (here put the good reasons). " But instead she’s often angry and she says "You acted like a jerk. I don’t want to look at you. Go to sleep on the couch" or "Why don’t you want a new car? You spend money on these useless. (put what you want). And you never think about my needs. Go to sleep on the couch". I don’t know if I gave good examples but the result is the same. They don’t have sex, they are frustrated, angry at each other and for a few days they change their life in hell.
Sometimes, gentlemen, you compared people to animals using words as "alpha male, " giving theory about females who look for the best genes etc. Personally I prefer a comparison made by a psychologist in my country. She said that people and love they give to each other are like plants. You have to take care about them all the time otherwise they will die.
The rules in the world of plants are simple:
- they need water like people need tenderness, understanding, care, compliments etc in a relationship
- they need helping hand like people need support
- they need space. I remind myself a post where someone complained that he couldn’t visit his parents without his wife and that she read all his letters so privacy was a thing of the past. It’s sad that some people can be like ivy trying to take somebody’s space.
- And the last one but maybe the most important: you can’t change a plant into another one e. G. A rose into tulip. This is so obvious when we think about watering cactus too often because it doesn’t need a lot water, it’s not an orchid. But it becomes more complicated when we expect that a person who likes spending evenings at home suddenly will change into a barfly. And after we can read that " She expected that I will change when we have a baby, even if I didn’t want it. "
So I think that it’s the easiest way to say "There’s something wrong with AW". No, there’s something wrong with our societies. Don’t think that EE is a paradise where women aren’t fat, people don’t divorce and girls don’t care if you’re rich or not. Problems are everywhere. 2) I wanted to write about EE (and other things) but maybe another time. Sorry it’s quite late in EE.
And sorry for any mistake in my English.
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[QUOTE=Mmbmmb]
I found this forum by accident...[/QUOTE]
Did you ever date American women?
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Might there be Hope????
i read in the newspaper today, the washington post, an article about the recent release of british soldiers by iran. it was written by a woman, kathleen parker. i was flabbergasted by the huge amount logic, reason, and sanity she displayed.
here are some paragraphs.
it is not fashionable these days to suggest that women don't belong in or near combat -- or that children need their mothers. yes, they need their fathers, too, but children in their tender years are dependent on their mothers in unique ways.
why the west has seen it necessary to diminish motherhood so that women can pretend to be men remains a mystery to sane adults. it should be unnecessary to say that the military is not a proper vehicle for social experimentation but is a machine dedicated to fighting and, if necessary, killing.
what kind of man, one shudders to wonder, is willing to allow his country's women to be raped and tortured by men of enemy nations? none that i know, but our military is gradually weaning men of their intuitive inclination to protect women -- which, by extrapolation, means ignoring the screams of women being assaulted.
at the point when our men can stand by unfazed while american servicewomen are raped and tortured, then we will have no cause to fight any war. we will have already lost.
the link to the complete article is [url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/06/ar2007040601549.html?hpid=opinionsbox1[/url]
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another right-wing journalist, george90? i didn't notice any logic in the peice, just appeals to emotion and tradition (that most irrational of human institutions). the funniest, or perhaps oddest, part was where she suggests that a woman being raped by a man is 'worse' than a man being raped by a man!
women and men are raped and tortured domestically in all our nations as a matter of course, george, and no one seems sufficiently troubled by it to do anything. only a xenophobic nationalist would think it were more objectionable if done by foreigners.
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[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]..there is no nation of inherent "players". .[/QUOTE]
I can not agree with that.
For example from my experience,
English-Canadians men are so scary to approach or talk to women.
They are so insecure. It is such a pain to have them like wingmen.
The Cuban men from Cuba from opposite ends of spectrum,
they act so natural around the women. It is funny. Last year I read in
the local Russian forum the posts of the Russian woman who was not
careful enough and brought her Cuban husband from Cuba to Russia.
He fucked many of her university and school friends and still managed to
save relationship with her.
I have not been in Moscow for long time but I check the local Russian
Forums and often talk with Russians who came from Moscow.
It is true that a lot of men from Moscow prefer to go to the
province or to others countries.
But as they saying Moscow is not Russia.
It always was special place, the state inside the state
with its own rules and women with worst attitude.
“New Russians” got easy money and spending them to brag and
show off. But “New Russians” are only small part of Russian society.
Woosy men exist in any culture but in Russia their percentage is much smaller
than in the West and they won't become mainstream as in US. Russian patriarchal culture is very strong and most of
Russian men are not going to change their attitude toward women.
Financial independence is not biggest problem.
Women in Russia in last century made approximately same money as the men and this not spoiled them.
Also the number of beautiful women in Russia is much more than the number of rich men.
So I don’t see how balance in whole Russia could be changed.
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George90, what is the hope you talking about?
All women the same, they all have garbage in their heads.
Until American guys stop paying any attention that women saying
and start to do that they have to do, there is no hope for this country.
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[quote=lenin]i can not agree with that. for example from my experience, english-canadians men are so scary to approach or talk to women. they are so insecure. it is such a pain to have them like wingmen. the cuban men from cuba from opposite ends of spectrum, they act so natural around the women. it is funny. last year i read in the local russian forum the posts of the russian woman who was not careful enough and brought her cuban husband from cuba to russia. he fucked many of her university and school friends and still managed to save relationship with her.[/quote]
i don't any russian men but i do know several canadian men. you are correct that canadian men are much less aggressive with women than cuban men or, say, russian men. what you are perceive as fear of approaching women is viewed in canada as respect for women. to just go up to a strange women and intrude on her privacy by starting to talk with her about anything you want is considered very rude, even in some social settings. the man is supposed to wait until she signals that it is ok for him, not just anyone but specifically him, to approach her and talk to her. this is usually done by a smile, a nod, a wink, or other gesture. any woman who won't make eye contact with a man and signal that she it is acceptable for him to approach her will be left alone for all decent men, at least in canada. the only canadian men who will approach her anyway are the scumbags, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord127][CodeWord127][/url], criminals, and other men who don't care whether or not a woman is really interested in him. they will make her interested in them.
the other aspect of what you perceived can be condsidered fear, but not of the woman herself, of the problems she can create if she lies about him. like most western countries, canada has strong laws against sexual assault, sexual discrimination, sex abuse, etc. that heavily favor the woman. women can, and some do, lie to authorities about what a man may or may not have done. for example, if a man touches a woman on her arm or shoulder and he is not handsome enough or rich enough or whatever enough, she can tell police that the man fondled and molested her. he will be arrested for sexual assault. this happens far more often than people think. men learn to be careful and only approach women whom they feel won't them sorry for it afterwards.
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[QUOTE=Lenin]George90, what is the hope you talking about?
All women the same, they all have garbage in their heads. Until American guys stop paying any attention that women saying and start to do that they have to do, there is no hope for this country.[/QUOTE]
Maybe that is my problem, Lenin. I keep thinking that there is a woman who doesn't have garbage in her head and I keep looking for her.
I have not found any such women in the US who were very interested in me. I have found many in non-Western countries.
American men won't start doing what we have to any time soon. The laws and society are too stacked against us for that. American society will have to get really bad before women and society change their tunes. The war in Iraq is starting to get us there, though.
They don't publicize it much, (Jessica Lynch notwithstanding) but because of all the women in our military driving convoys and such, many of the soldiers getting blown up in Baghdad are women. And because of low marriage rates here, most of these women are single mothers. So American mothers are dying and getting maimed, leaving their children without capable parents. Grandparents are being called on to raise these children. When enough women are killed, have their arms and legs blown off, or have their faces burned off, then US society may decide to re-think the roles and places of women in it. But not until then. Sad.
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Well put!
[quote=opebo]another right-wing journalist, george90? i didn't notice any logic in the peice, just appeals to emotion and tradition ...oddest part was where she suggests that a woman being raped by a man is 'worse' than a man being raped by a man!
women and men are raped and tortured domestically in all our nations as a matter of course, george, and no one seems sufficiently troubled by it to do anything. only a xenophobic nationalist would think it were more objectionable if done by foreigners.[/quote]
agreed. i saw no rational logic of any kind, just a load of jingoistic right-wing emotional nonsense.
here in the us, spousal abuse especially among elderly, is way underreported when it comes to abuse by women against men. and sexual abuse by grown women against young boys is rarely prosecuted. we have so many double standards, so much bs that favors women. if they want to act like men, let them. if that means getting blown up or raped in iraq along with the men, so be it. give them all the equality they demand. i'll find my women elsewhere. feminism & religious conservatism (funny paradox how supposed opposites aren't all that different, especially when it comes to sex!) have ruined this country. contrary to what the newbie below posited, there is a difference between aw's & women of most countries of the world. i'm not fat, greedy, shallow, or stupid, and i'm as american as they come.
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[QUOTE=Lenin]I can not agree with that.
For example from my experience,
English-Canadians men are so scary to approach or talk to women.
They are so insecure. It is such a pain to have them like wingmen.
The Cuban men from Cuba from opposite ends of spectrum,
they act so natural around the women. It is funny. Last year I read in
the local Russian forum the posts of the Russian woman who was not
careful enough and brought her Cuban husband from Cuba to Russia.
He fucked many of her university and school friends and still managed to
save relationship with her.
I have not been in Moscow for long time but I check the local Russian
Forums and often talk with Russians who came from Moscow.
It is true that a lot of men from Moscow prefer to go to the
province or to others countries.
But as they saying Moscow is not Russia.
It always was special place, the state inside the state
with its own rules and women with worst attitude.
“New Russians” got easy money and spending them to brag and
show off. But “New Russians” are only small part of Russian society.
Woosy men exist in any culture but in Russia their percentage is much smaller
than in the West and they won't become mainstream as in US. Russian patriarchal culture is very strong and most of
Russian men are not going to change their attitude toward women.
Financial independence is not biggest problem.
Women in Russia in last century made approximately same money as the men and this not spoiled them.
Also the number of beautiful women in Russia is much more than the number of rich men.
So I don’t see how balance in whole Russia could be changed.[/QUOTE]
Perhaps Lenin, I do not know. I am not Cuban... But you are right... one thing is true about Russian women, it is much easier just to tell them what to do. They "respond well". .
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Ladder Theory
I had read the entire site and it was incredibly insightful. It could be similar to a nuclear deterrent: a broad threatens to put you in the classification of "Just a friend" and you retailate with the ICBM loaded with the truth (where you're coming from). You may not get laid, BUT she understands the ground rules.
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The Order of the Day: Caution
It's been a few days but I notice quite a few new posts. One particular post caught my eye.
What was so eye-catching? Well, for starters it was the very first ever post written by Mmbmmb. Next, they claim to have found the forum "by accident" and that they are neither a prostitute nor a monger. Then they say they are from eastern europe and have only lived in the US for a fairly short time.
Next comes a lengthy post, written in fairly good english, coming to the defense of AWs and asking for our understanding of them. ???
Now who do you think ever comes in here and writes something like that for their very first post? My guess is it's a woman, and she's not from somewhere in EE. The writing style seems feminine. The post is about relationships and attempts to appeal to our emotions. Not only that, but it's way too well-written.... never mind apologies for "mistakes in my english".
I'm very suspicious of this Mmbmmb character.
Rock
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[QUOTE=Rock Dog]It's been a few days but I notice quite a few new posts. One particular post caught my eye.
What was so eye-catching? Well, for starters it was the very first ever post written by Mmbmmb. Next, they claim to have found the forum "by accident" and that they are neither a prostitute nor a monger. Then they say they are from eastern europe and have only lived in the US for a fairly short time.
Next comes a lengthy post, written in fairly good english, coming to the defense of AWs and asking for our understanding of them. ???
Now who do you think ever comes in here and writes something like that for their very first post? My guess is it's a woman, and she's not from somewhere in EE. The writing style seems feminine. The post is about relationships and attempts to appeal to our emotions. Not only that, but it's way too well-written.... never mind apologies for "mistakes in my english".
I'm very suspicious of this Mmbmmb character.
Rock[/QUOTE]I agree with this COMPLETELY. That is a big amount of crock.
I decided to walk into this part of the forum due to a situation that happened at work. I am fed up with this situation in which it is expected of men to act like women.
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[QUOTE=Rock Dog]...My guess is it's a woman, and she's not from somewhere in EE. The writing style seems feminine. The post is about relationships and attempts to appeal to our emotions. Not only that, but it's way too well-written.... never mind apologies for "mistakes in my english".
I'm very suspicious of this Mmbmmb character.
Rock[/QUOTE]
Me too. Notice in such a long post, not a word about any personal sexual/romantic experiences with women, of any nationality. Way too much emotion, waxing philosophical, with no facts or experience to back it up.
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Gentlemen,
I’m sorry I answer so late, especially after your suspicions about my person. As an explanation I can only say that we have Easter and I had to visit my family.
So
1) Of course I’m a women but I’m not American. English language isn’t so "complicated" as Slavonic ones and it lets to use adjectives, verbs etc without specifying gender. You can’t blame me for that. I can say that I’m from Poland. If you want to check it asking about something connected with my country don’t be shy. To tell the truth I have no idea how I could prove it. Anyway is it really so important? Believe me nobody pay me for writing this:.)))
2) Rock Dog wrote that my post was "written in fairly good english, coming to the defense of AWs and asking for our understanding of them? "
So thank you for this "fairly good English":.) Believe me, it’s easier for me to write something then to say. Sometimes I still want to make a tomato soap instead of soup:.) But it’s good to know that my stay in US improved my English a little. And I decided to add my post because what you write about AW, gentlemen, is scaring.
JELLY DONUT:
Did you ever date American women?
No, I didn’t because I’m not a lesbian. I’ve dated only American men and I have very nice memories:.). And even if nobody bought me expensive presents I have to say that American men are in the top of list the most cute guys I’ve ever met;.) Anyway a far as I remember my EE friends (male) didn’t have a lot of problems with picking up American girls. And believe me they weren’t millionaires. I would even say that AW spoiled my EE friends. [Here I agree with you that they are horrible;.)] At the beginning my handsome, Slovak friend said I can do with him anything what I want for 30 $;.) I said "What? ! For 30$? I won’t pay so much. ". I hoped to beat the price, after all I’m only a poor girl from EE;.) but I thought over his proposition and said to myself "Don’t be greedy. ". So I agreed to pay the price but he told me " Now it’s 100$. " "What? ! 100$, why? " It turned out that for AW 30$ isn’t exorbitant price or at least he told me that and he didn’t want to date with me. Oh, c’est la vie! Thanks God there were AM who wanted to kiss my breasts absoloutly for free and particularly one AM did it with such passion as he would work for 100$;.) I’m a lucky girl;.)
But seriously, I guess gentlemen that you’re still convinced that AW are the worst in the world. But for me people are the same all over the world. The difference between USA and other, not so developed countries is that US society is very consumable, maybe more then other societies. What doesn’t change the fact that they try to catch us society up.
How do you call it in English? Keeping up with the Joneses? Is it typical only for AW? It’s the behaviour of brides in the reality show you wrote about "Bridezilla". They wanted an expensive wedding and engament rings because their female friends got them. (By the way, if they are so horrible why their fiancés are so in love with them? Why they agree for everything what the brides want? Please, can someone explain me this? ).
In my country it’s the same. The wedding has to be expensive because otherwise "What will the people say? " People care about it more then about the their financial condition.
Lately I was even shocked that one of my female friends took credit for her wedding and she’s going to take another one for the house. It’s a lot of money and the salaries in EE unfortunately aren’t so good as in US. I didn’t ask her for how many years she will repay it. Simply stupidity isn’t typical for one nationality.
Another things you listed (in posts before, sorry if I don’t remember everything) are:
- rate of divorces is low in EE then in US
Maybe it is but I guess I have a bad luck and I see too many divorced couples around me. Maybe people from middle class just don’t hesitate to get a divorce because they have better knowledge of law, more money for lawyers, they are more liberal etc. Remember that EE countries are still relatively poor and people have no money to get a divorce. There’s also an attitude that it’s better be in unhappy marriage "for children sake", " because I can afford to live on my own" and so on. I think that the rate of divorce has little to do with the level of happiness in marriages, at least in my country.. Girls in Europe are more beautiful, feminine then in US I noticed one rule. Usually the bigger city and the bigger salary is the more attractive girls are. It’s the same in US and in EE. Did you see people in small villages in EE with high unemployment? Of course there’s a lot of beautiful girls in EE (and in US) but there’s also a lot of unkempt ones.
I’ve noticed fat people in US. I think it’s only a lack of exercices and too many "trashy" food. In US you can take money from ATM, buy food, medicines etc not getting out of the car. Portions in restaurants are huge and eating at home isn’t so popular as in the past. Saying it in the simplest way, in EE you have to move your butt and walk to these places. But slowly it changes too. There was a film "Super size me" and even if the autor simplifies some things it shows many bad changes which took place in US.
I saw different obese people, they were different, black, white, Asians and they weren’t only women.
Obesity becomes slowly a problem in all European countries, even in China children are more and more obese. The reason is one: too much "McDonald" and TV instead of vegetables and exercises.
And if it’s about feminity and beauty? Yes, I partly agree that competition among girls is big. Luckily in EE there’s still a lot of cute girls so everyone wants to look the best. What’s not so bad on the oher hand. Thanks to it we try to be more and more beautiful.
But I saw feminine women in US too. At last the beauty is a question of personal preferences and taste.
- AW are greedy bitches
Gentlemen what you write about, one can name only "prostitution". If you write that a woman is ONLY interested in your money it doesn’t matter if she’s a prostitute from agency, your friend from work or a girlfriend. Please don’t call it love or attraction (fascination) because the only one love and attraction I see here is towards money. Prostitute is sincere at least and tells you in the beginning what she expects for her time. I don’t understand why you waste your time on someone with such behaviour. I respect myself and my time. I wouldn’t waste it for someone who ask me on the first date how much I earn. The first date is time to get to know each other not to make common decision about buying house.
I remember my American friend from work. Once he told me that I’m beautiful etc. I thanked him for compliments and joked that his wife would be jelous if she heard it. He answer" Oh no, we have open-realtionship". I thought: "What? I can’t believe" Before he showed me photos of his family. 3 beautiful daughters who he won’t send to school, as a Baptist, because someone can demoralize them there. For sure the example of the open-relationship with his wife (if it’s truth) is more moral;.) But on photos they seems such perfect family. Talking to him I could think that AM are jerks but I KNOW that’s not truth. And don’t get me wrong, gallantry is a different thing. Every woman likes when you treat her like a lady, when you give her flowers and invite for diner but everything has limits. For me my man hasn’t to buy me expensive roses I’ll be happy when he gives me cheap bouquet of lilies of the valley or daisies because what’s really important it’s his memory about me and willingness to show me that he loves me. I understand how hard people have to work to earn money. When I’m not interested in man I tell him that at the beginning (of course as politely as I can) and I expect the same e. G. That nobody will treat me as a plastic doll. I’m not one. And I believe that I’m not the only one woman who thinks that way, neither in EE nor in US.
LENIN: English-Canadians men are so scary to approach or talk to women.
They are so insecure. It is such a pain to have them like wingmen.
The Cuban men from Cuba from opposite ends of spectrum, they act so natural around the women. It is funny. Last year I read in the local Russian forum the posts of the Russian woman who was not careful enough and brought her Cuban husband from Cuba to Russia. He fucked many of her university and school friends and still managed to save relationship with her.
I don’t know Canadian men but American ones hadn’t these problems. I didn’t notice that they were insecure or scary talking to me:.) And there isn’t written on my forehead "I’m not American":.)
If it’s about Cuban guy. What’s funny in it? That he was unfaithful to his wife? How someone can expect his woman to be faithful if he isn’t? Isn’t it an example of double standards some men wrote about in this thread?
LENIN: I know one Russian man, construction worker. 58 old years, but he still has "alpha man" behavior. He lives in Brooklyn, NY. He has a cute 30 years old Russian girlfriend. She has university degree. He beat her once a week and keep telling her that she is garbage in comparison with his ex wife. One day he decided that $100/month which he spend for her entertainment is too much. He gave her drink, called police and kicked out her from his apartment. A lot of young Americanized woosy men wanted her but she didn’t care and returned back to him
All I can say is that this girl has serious psychological problems. Any of my Russian or Ukraianian female friends wouldn’t behave this way. What does it mean that he was beating her? Violence isn’t normal neither in Russia nor in Poland or US. The fact that it’s happens too often is sad but for sure not normal. How would you feel if your girlfriend kept telling you that you’re a garbage and a zero at bed, specially in comparison with her ex boyfriend?
GEORGE90: Women can, and some DO, lie to authorities about what a man may or may not have done. For example, if a man touches a woman on her arm or shoulder and he is not handsome enough or rich enough or whatever enough, she can tell police that the man fondled and molested her. He will be arrested for sexual assault. This happens far more often than people think
I don’t know what to write George. It’s terrifying. I rememeber a situation when I was in public restroom. I was wahing my hands and there was a black woman next to me. Then a little girl appeared. She asked us to help her because she can’t reach the faucet. And do you know what? I was afraid to touch her and I saw that this woman was afraid too. Any of us didn’t want to be accused about harassment of her. It was a sick situation. Finally the woman helped her. After she started to joke with me and I guess she wanted to make sure that I won’t call the police telling them that she touched her lower then she should.
George, I hope the situation, I was in, will show you that it’s not only problem AW. It simply showed me how high level of paranoia us society reached.
Do you think I felt comfortable with AM all the time? Once one AM showed me a book. I wanted to see a picture in it and I stood very close to him. Then he said" Please don’t do this. You stay too close to me. Don’t get me wrong but I just need space around me". I know he didn’t want to be rude but I felt strange. And that’s how I learnt that Americans need at least 1m of space around them;.)
I have to finish gentlemen. I have no time to write about everything.
Anyway I don’t want to justify AW. Of course they have disadvantages too but when I read your posts I had impression that too many of you hate AW, or generally women.
I’d like to write as George "I keep thinking that there are men who don't have garbage in their heads".
Sorry if my style of writing is too emotional or feminine. I’ll try to work on it if it’s a problem:.)
ROCK DOG:
Now who do you think ever comes in here and writes something like that for their very first post?
I guess I do this:.) I’m not afraid to say what I think and besides sometimes simply I can’t shut up;.) I really found this forum by accident what not so hard in modern world and I started to read your posts about AW because it’s interesting to see men’s point of view. I didn’t make any post in other threads because as I said luckily I hadn’t pay AM for sex;.) and Slovak guys are too expensive for me:.(
Secondly, I really believe in what I write. I don’t know, is it too naïve for you?
There’s also another explanation: maybe I had luck and my AW friends were in this 5% of "good women":.) But if I have a date with AW, I promise I’ll write about it;.) Sorry, I have experience only with AM and it’s not interesting for you so I didn’t write about it.
YOGIN:
I'm not fat, greedy, shallow, or stupid, and I'm as American as they come.
I didn’t write that you are. But unluckily I met fat, shallow AM and next to them handsome and nice ones (lickily:.)). I was writing generally about US society and its problems not particularly about you.
PS Sorry I don't know how to quote you.
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Beware of Palimony
[url]http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/jersey/index.ssf?/base/news-6/1175577317253290.xml&coll=1[/url]
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Mmbmmb
Mmbmmb is likely a woman. No man would write that way. She is tying to infiltrate into the system like an insurgent.
Mmbmmb is not in search of Panoche, she has one!
Her writing was many paragraphs of emotional theory. If Mmbmmb were a man, especially from Eastern Europe, he would never be writing that crap.
That's just my opinion, and it should be your's.
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[QUOTE=Baby Dragon][url]http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/news/1175912721308490.xml&coll=7&thispage=1[/url]
Here is an Oregon story detailing how an overpaid doctor put a hooker through university, bought her a car, paid her rent and got fucked over by her. Guys, please remember hookers exist only to be fucked and to catch our sperm. If you do anything else, you will get fucked.
No matter whether we are talking about the sluts of Thailand or the States, the message stays the same. Cum on them, pay them and leave. Do not get involved.[/QUOTE]
Excellent advice, it says volumes about a woman's character when one lives in a rich Western country and has sex with men to make money, in general this rule is for women in all societies, rich and poor. Thai women can never be trusted.
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Thanks.
Well, I appreciate your appreciation of American men and I'm happy you think the guys you met were "nice".
I'm a bit confused by the whole section that you write after that point. Are you joking around? Are you flipping sex roles in order to make a point?
I guess so.
Anyway, it's true. There are a vast number of fantastic American women here in the United States. It sounds like they would be happier in Poland. Maybe we can work out a swap of some kind?
[QUOTE=Mmbmmb]
JELLY DONUT:
Did you ever date American women?
No, I didn’t because I’m not a lesbian. I’ve dated only American men and I have very nice memories:.). And even if nobody bought me expensive presents I have to say that American men are in the top of list the most cute guys I’ve ever met;.) Anyway a far as I remember my EE friends (male) didn’t have a lot of problems with picking up American girls. And believe me they weren’t millionaires. I would even say that AW spoiled my EE friends. [Here I agree with you that they are horrible;.)] At the beginning my handsome, Slovak friend said I can do with him anything what I want for 30 $;.) I said "What? ! For 30$? I won’t pay so much. ". I hoped to beat the price, after all I’m only a poor girl from EE;.) but I thought over his proposition and said to myself "Don’t be greedy. ". So I agreed to pay the price but he told me " Now it’s 100$. " "What? ! 100$, why? " It turned out that for AW 30$ isn’t exorbitant price or at least he told me that and he didn’t want to date with me. Oh, c’est la vie! Thanks God there were AM who wanted to kiss my breasts absoloutly for free and particularly one AM did it with such passion as he would work for 100$;.) I’m a lucky girl;.)
But seriously, I guess gentlemen that you’re still convinced that AW are the worst in the world. But for me people are the same all over the world. The difference between USA and other, not so developed countries is that US society is very consumable, maybe more then other societies. What doesn’t change the fact that they try to catch us society up.
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dear mmbmmb,
thanks for the followup. thanks for telling us who you are. nothing wrong with being a woman, writing like one, and posting on this site. so please don't apologize for sounding like one or trying to change. unlike most aw, you own your femininity, a refreshing change of pace for us here in sex prison usa. your response was that of a thoughtful mature adult, without any recriminations against us. but you know what? 95% of aw, after reading this thread, would be furious, full of ridiculous denials, and would call us women-hating/beating, perverted losers. truth is, the ideas & opinions presented here are either typical of am who can't espouse them publicly for fear of reprisal, or they are so desperate for lack of decent aws that they will accept any loud cow who moos their way, or they truly are ignorant of the big wonderful world out there that offers far better choices of women.
yes "keeping up with the joneses" is not a uniquely american thing, but our consumerist society has perfected it to a new low. we treat people as disposable consumer commodities. the first thing a woman asks me upon meeting is "what do you do" meaning "how much $ you make". often the 2nd-3rd question is "what kind of car you drive".
this site is for men to exchange information on how to get sex, whether or not for money. i like to think that most guys here want to treat a woman like a lady (whether she is a prostitute or a prime minister) and don't hate women. we are just fed up with all the paranoia & suspicion, as if we're potential [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord127][CodeWord127][/url] & molestors. i open doors for women, offer them my seat on the train, even when i get a dirty look for doing so. were i to apply for job teaching children, they asked me why i want the job, and i said "because i love kids", they would call the police on me. and we're sick of feminists complaining about how "oppressed" women are here, when in fact they run the country in every sense of the word.
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I am sure that this small clip will be appreciated here.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApG7CYuq8Pc[/url]
Had me in stitches. The daughter is portrayed perfectly.
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Dear gentlemen,
1) Viva Chicas: Mmbmmb is likely a woman. No man would write that way. She is tying to infiltrate into the system like an insurgent.
Yes, I am a woman. I already wrote it and I’m not an insurgent. I repeat on more time, nobody pay me for my writing. I would like someone to do this but nobody wants to waste his/her money.
Besides it’s an internet forum. Everyone can write what he/she thinks. You wrote that my post was a crap. Why? I don’t understand what crappy was in it. Please, when you write something like it, write also what caused your opinion.
And by the way, what’s Panoche? Sorry my English isn’t so good. Isn’t it a Spanish word?
2) Jelly Donut: I'm a bit confused by the whole section that you write after that point. Are you joking around? Are you flipping sex roles in order to make some kind of point?
Yes, I was joking a little. But this situation was true, even if he was only joking with me (at least I hope he was). My Slovak friend really thought he’s very handsome: .) and wanted 100$. I think that if I would smile nicely to him he agreed for the 30$; ) Anyway my chances were small from the beginning because he had too many pretty Slovak and AW around him. But as I wrote: c’est la vie; .)
I wrote about him because I wanted to say that my EE male friends hadn’t problems with picking up AW and these American girls didn’t look like Quasimodo (from the Hunchback of Notre Dame by V. Hugo).
Besides I noticed that most posts in the thread were so serious, without any humor but full of bitterness and I don’t like to take life seriously.
Wasn’t it Shakespeare who wrote:
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more: it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
But enough of philosophy. I noticed that it’s not popular lately. You have to forgive me my humanistic education: .)
And would I pay the Slovak guy 30$? I don’t know, unluckily I had no chance to find out it.
"Maybe we can work out a swap of some kind? "
Interesting idea but I like my country even if it’s far away from being perfect. Why life is always so problematical?
3) Yogin: Your response was that of a thoughtful mature adult, without any recriminations against us.
Why should I have any recriminations? Because you don’t like AW or, maybe, you pay prostitues for sex? Yogin, what can I tell you? I understand who created this forum but I don’t really care about it. I mean I don’t know you and to tell the truth I don’t want to know where you live, work and if you have family or not. It’s not a purpose of our "conversation". I think noone has right to judge other people. I saw too many good catholics (peculiar character of my country, nothing against Catholicism) who were more saint then pope; .) Unfotunately judging the others they forgot about Christ’s words from St Luke gospel " Why do you see a splinter in your brother’s eye and you don’t notice a beam in yours? "
And I don’t want anyone to judge me too. It’s my own business if I pay handsome Slovak guys for sex or not. Luckily our deputies hadn’t such stupid ideas as their Russian colleagues that Russian women should belong only to Russian men and it should be approve as a law: .) But it’s a subject for another discussion.
"Yes "Keeping up with the Joneses" is not a uniquely American thing, but our consumerist society has perfected it to a new low. We treat people as disposable consumer commodities. "
I guess you found an answer why some AW behave in the bitchy way. But what’s sad that you can expect such behaviour from different people and in different places. Good example is what you wrote about teaching job. When I was in US I tried not to touch any child, but also generally people. And I think that people at this forum aren’t the only ones who are fed up of it.
"The first thing a woman asks me upon meeting is "what do you do" meaning "how much $ you make". Often the 2nd-3rd question is "what kind of car you drive". "
Not even 1, only 1 woman, asked if you like your job and she didn’t mention the money or car?
Give me hope.
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Thanks for the vid. So funny because it's true. Captured perfectly the essence of AW who demand it all, play by no rules, take no responsibility for their actions, believe they can control the sexuality of all men, and then cry & pout like a little girl when it all comes back to them.
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Don't Judge a Book by its Cover
[QUOTE=Mmbmmb]Dear gentlemen, .........And I don’t want anyone to judge me too. It’s my own business if I pay handsome Slovak guys for sex or not. .........Give me hope.[/QUOTE]
Mmbmmb:
You sound fascinating. To give you hope, to show my appreciation for your intelligence, your education, and as I am not Slovak I would be honored if you accepted my offer of a 50% discount .
Suerte!!
Polvo
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Angus Magee, the clip only confirmed me in my belief that there are still wonderful AW. Look at the mother of this girl. Maybe she isn’t so young and beautiful as her daughter but she hasn’t “garbage in her head’. Gentlemen, you have a woman with experience, full of life, who doesn’t want your money because she has her own one and what’s the most important she loves AM. How can you complain now :)?
Polvo, believe me that there was a big smile on my face when I saw your post and proposition but I’ll be sincere. As long as AM will give me sex for free I won’t pay even 1 cent for it.
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[QUOTE=Mmbmmb] Why life is always so problematical?
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I think it has something to do with desire.
You should take Polvo's offer. 50 percent off for a guy with his kind of experience is a fantastic deal. He knows things about vertical wall push-ups and side-scissor positions - makes me blush just thinking about it.
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The indoctrination that goes on in "women's studies" in Columbia
article written by a good ol' southern girl who appears to have ended up on another planet, which just so happened to be columbia university
[url]http://www.nysun.com/article/47267?page_no=1[/url]
excerpts:
"one particularly disturbing day, my professor said, "all of you who are victims of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] or attempted [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] raise your hands." as more than half the class raised their hands, i began to think weird thoughts. i wondered if my college required a solid sat score and emergency room records for admission.
it took me weeks to realize their definition of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] was not exactly webster's. we began to study andrea dworkin who said, "romance is [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] embellished with meaningful looks." and catherine mackinnon who said, "politically, i call it [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] whenever a woman has sex and feels violated." and marilyn french, who famously said, "all men are [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord127][CodeWord127][/url] and that's all they are." you can imagine my disillusionment to learn mister rogers of "mister rogers' neighborhood," and mahatma gandhi were predators."
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fascinating story about erin prizzey - a woman i take my hat off for:
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how feminists tried to destroy the family
erin pizzey, founder of the battered wives' refuge, on how militant feminists - with the collusion of labour's leading women - hijacked her cause and used it to try to demonise all men.
during 1970, i was a young housewife with a husband, two children, two dogs and a cat. we lived in hammersmith, west london, and i didn't see much of my husband because he worked for tv's nationwide. i was lonely and isolated, and longed for something other than the usual cooking, cleaning and housework to enter my life.
by the early seventies, a new movement for women - demanding equality and rights - began to make headlines in the daily newspapers. among the jargon, i read the words "solidarity" and "support". i passionately believed that women would no longer find themselves isolated from each other, and in the future could unite to change our society for the better.
within a few days i had the address of a local group in chiswick, and i was on my way to join the women's liberation movement. i was asked to pay £3 and ten shillings as a joining fee, told to call other women "sisters" and that our meetings were to be called "collectives".
my fascination with this new movement lasted only a few months. at the huge "collectives", i heard shrill women preaching hatred of the family. they said the family was not a safe place for women and children. i was horrified at their virulence and violent tendencies. i stood on the same platforms trying to reason with the leading lights of this new organisation.
i ended up being thrown out by the movement. my crime was to warn some of the women working in the women's liberation movement office off shaftesbury avenue that if it persisted in cooperating with a plan to bomb biba, a fashionable clothes shop in kensington, i would call the police.
biba was bombed because the women's movement thought it was a capitalist enterprise devoted to sexualising women's bodies.
i decided that i was wasting my time trying to influence what, to my mind, was a marxist/ feminist movement touting for money from gullible women like myself.
by that time, i'd met a small group of women in my area who agreed with me. we persuaded hounslow council to give us a tiny house in belmont terrace in chiswick. we had two rooms upstairs, two rooms downstairs, a kitchen and an outside lavatory. we installed a telephone and typewriter, and we were in business.
every day after dropping my children at school, i went to our little house, which we called the women's aid. soon women from all over chiswick were coming to ask for help. at last we had somewhere women could meet each other and bring their children. my long, lonely days were over.
but then something happened that made me understand that our role was going to be more than just a forum where women could exchange ideas. one day, a lady came in to see us. she took off her jersey, and we saw that she was bruised and swollen across her breasts and back. her husband had taken a chair leg to her. she looked at me and said: "no one will help me."
for a moment i was somersaulted back in time. i was six years old, standing in front of a teacher at school. my legs were striped and bleeding from a whipping i had received from an ironing cord. "my mother did this to me last night," i said. "no wonder," replied the teacher. "'you're a dreadful child."
no one would help me then and nobody would ever imagine that my beautiful, rich mother - who was married to a diplomat - could be a violent abuser.
until that moment 35 years later, i had buried my past and assumed that because we had social workers, probation officers, doctors, hospitals and solicitors, victims of violence had enough help.
i quickly discovered, as battered women with their children poured into the house, that whatever was going on behind other people's front doors was seen as nobody else's business.
if someone was beaten up on the street, it was a criminal offence; the same beating behind a closed door was called "a domestic"' and the police had no rights or power to interfere.
the shocking fact for me was that there had been a deafening silence on the subject of domestic violence.
all the social agencies knew about domestic violence, but nobody talked about it. i searched for literature to help me understand this epidemic, but there was nothing to read except a few articles on child abuse in medical journals.
so in 1974 i decided to write scream quietly or the neighbours will hear, the first book in the world on domestic violence. i revealed that women and children were being abused in their own homes and they couldn't escape because the law wouldn't protect them.
if a husband claimed he would have his wife back, she couldn't claim any money from the department of health and social security, and social services could only offer to take the children into care.
meanwhile, our little house was packed with women fleeing their violent partners - sometimes as many as 56 mothers and children in four rooms. all had terrible stories, but i recognised almost immediately that not all the women were innocent. some were as violent as the men, and violent towards their children.
the social workers involved with these women told me i was wasting my time because the women would only return to their partners.
i was determined to try to break the chain of violence. but as the local newspaper picked up the story of our house, i grew worried about a very different threat.
i knew that the radical feminist movement was running out of national support because more sensible women had shunned their anti-male, anti-family agenda. not only were they looking for a cause, they also wanted money.
in 1974, the women living in my refuge organised a meeting in our local church hall to encourage other groups to open refuges across the country.
we were astonished and frightened that many of the radical lesbian and feminist activists that i had seen in the collectives attended. they began to vote themselves into a national movement across the country.
after a stormy argument, i left the hall with my abused mothers - and what i had most feared happened.
in a matter of months, the feminist movement hijacked the domestic violence movement, not just in britain, but internationally.
our grant was given to them and they had a legitimate reason to hate and blame all men. they came out with sweeping statements which were as biased as they were ignorant. "all women are innocent victims of men's violence," they declared.
they opened most of the refuges in the country and banned men from working in them or sitting on their governing committees.
women with alcohol or drug problems were refused admittance, as were boys over 12 years old. refuges that let men work there were refused affiliation.
our group in chiswick worked with as many refuges as we could. good, caring women still work in refuges across the country, but many women working in the feminist refuges, about 350, admit they are failing women who most need them.
with the first donation we received in 1972, we employed a male playgroup leader because we felt our children needed the experience of good, gentle men. we devised a treatment programme for women who recognised that they, too, were violent and dysfunctional. and we concentrated on children hurt by violence and sexual abuse.
yet the feminist refuges continued to create training programmes that described only male violence against women. slowly, the police and other organisations were brainwashed into ignoring the research that was proving men could also be victims.
despite attacks in the press from feminist journalists and threatening anonymous telephone calls, i continued to argue that violence was a learned pattern of behaviour from early childhood.
when, in the mid-eighties, i published prone to violence, about my work with violence-prone women and their children, i was picketed by hundreds of women from feminist refuges, holding placards which read: "all men are bastards" and "all men are [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord127][CodeWord127][/url]".
because of violent threats, i had to have a police escort around the country.
it was bad enough that this relatively small group of women was influencing social workers and police. but i became aware of a far more insidious development in the form of public policy-making by powerful women, which was creating a poisonous attitude towards men.
in 1990, harriet harman (who became a cabinet minister), anna coote (who became an adviser to labour's minister for women) and patricia hewitt (yes, she's in the labour cabinet, too!) expressed their beliefs in a social policy paper called the family way.
it said: "it cannot be assumed that men are bound to be an asset to family life, or that the presence of fathers in families is necessarily a means to social harmony and cohesion."
it was a staggering attack on men and their role in modern life.
hewitt, in a book by geoff dench called transforming men published in 1995, said: "but if we want fathers to play a full role in their children's lives, then we need to bring men into the playgroups and nurseries and the schools. and here, of course, we hit the immediate difficulty of whether we can trust men with children."
in 1998, however, the home office published a historic study which stipulated that men as well as women could be victims of domestic violence.
with that report in my hand, i tried to reason with joan ruddock, who was then minister for women. the figures for battered men were "minuscule" she insisted and she continued to refer to men only as "perpetrators".
for nearly four decades, these pernicious attitudes towards family life, fathers and boys have permeated the thinking of our society to such an extent that male teachers and carers are now afraid to touch or cuddle children.
men can be accused of violence towards their partners and sexual abuse without evidence. courts discriminate against fathers and refuse to allow them access to their children on the whims of vicious partners.
of course, there are dangerous men who manipulate the court systems and social services to persecute their partners and children. but by blaming all men, we have diluted the focus on this minority of men and pushed aside the many men who would be willing to work with women towards solutions.
i believe that the feminist movement envisaged a new utopia that depended upon destroying family life. in the new century, so their credo ran, the family unit will consist of only women and their children. fathers are dispensable. and all that was yoked - unforgivably - to the debate about domestic violence.
to my mind, it has never been a gender issue - those exposed to violence in early childhood often grow up to repeat what they have learned, regardless of whether they are girls or boys.
i look back with sadness to my young self and my vision that there could be places where people - men, women and children who have suffered physical and sexual abuse - could find help, and if they were violent could be given a second chance to learn to live peacefully.
i believe that vision was hijacked by vengeful women who have ghetto-ised the refuge movement and used it to persecute men. surely the time has come to challenge this evil ideology and insist that men take their rightful place in the refuge movement.
we need an inclusive movement that offers support to everyone that needs it. as for me - i will always continue to work with anyone who needs my help or can help others - and yes, that includes men.
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One other thing, I read your last post completely just now.
I can't resist the irony of correcting you on this point - since you seem to celebrate Easter this past weekend and you are not among saints here. I'm pretty sure you are quoting the book of Matthew, not Luke. Sermon on the Mount.
Not that I'm being judgmental or anything like that....
[QUOTE=Mmbmmb]
Unfotunately judging the others they forgot about Christ’s words from St Luke gospel " Why do you see a splinter in your brother’s eye and you don’t notice a beam in yours? "
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Jelly Donut,
I think that only partly it’s a problem with desire. We simply should support the financing of researches on cloning. Maybe it would solve the problem of desire.
And nobody undermines Polvo’s skills. I just can have the same for free. You can’t know the skills of AM I’ve met.
And you’re right. These words are also from St Matthew’s gospel (7:1-6) but you can find them in St Luke’s version of Sermon on the Mount (6:41-42).
[url]http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%206:41-42;&version=49;[/url]
[url]http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=%20Matthew%207:1-6;&version=31;[/url]
I simply don’t remember all Bible by heart. I translated the sentence from memory and now I see that I even made some mistakes. Sorry.
Besides I’m not a good catholic. I don’t go to the church. For me celebrating Easter means visiting friends and family, going to the graves of relatives etc.
Don’t think that Poland is very catholic country. Most people don’t read encyclics although sometimes a stain on glass can become a Mother of God’s miraculous portrait and gatheres a crowd of believers.
Anyway the level of faith and its maturity in Poland has nothing to do with the thread about AW.
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Lemon With That?
[QUOTE=Mmbmmb].....And nobody undermines Polvo’s skills. I just can have the same for free. You can’t know the skills of AM I’ve met......[/QUOTE]
Mmbmmb
OK. What about a Gin and Tonic then?
And if I can quote Blazing Saddles - sung with a German accent - "...American Men are always coming and going, coming and going, and coming too soon....."
Polvo
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Well I'll be damned.
I stand adjusted on my understanding of The Bible. Thanks.
[QUOTE=Mmbmmb]
And you’re right. These words are also from St Matthew’s gospel (7:1-6) but you can find them in St Luke’s version of Sermon on the Mount (6:41-42).
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Jesus Wept.
[QUOTE=Jelly Donut]Well I'll be damned......[/QUOTE]
I have spoken with Him and that has been arranged.
Polvo
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....so I got that going for me.
[QUOTE=Polvo]I have spoken with Him and that has been arranged.
Polvo[/QUOTE]
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Standing on the Corner
[QUOTE=Jelly Donut]....so I got that going for me.[/QUOTE]
You will not be lonely!! See you there!! :-)
Polvo
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[QUOTE=Polvo]Mmbmmb
OK. What about a Gin and Tonic then?
And if I can quote Blazing Saddles - sung with a German accent - "...American Men are always coming and going, coming and going, and coming too soon....."
Polvo[/QUOTE]If any cowboy doesn’t want to look at me anymore I always can console myself with the thought that there are still English men, the most manly men in the world :-)
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9DpC6x75s8[/url]
And if any AW doesn’t want to look at you gentlemen you can always console yourselves with the thought that you can find beautiful English girls. There’s only one condition, you have to get the right key ;-) to their hearts of course.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIlW7_6y4h4&mode=related&search=[/url]
Gin and Tonic sounds better then 50% discount :-)
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Wha's a sassenach????
[QUOTE=Mmbmmb]If any cowboy doesn’t want to look at me anymore I always can console myself with the thought that there are still English men, the most manly men in the world :-)[/QUOTE]
English??? English?? The emasculated effetes who surrendered without a shot being fired???
Nope. Wrong pigeon hole! The Gin and Tonic threw you. I am a gentleman though, and one who would leave you stirred, not shaken!
Polvo
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Gentlemen, isn’t there any English man? Does a Polish girl have to defend your honour?
Polvo, isn’t it a first agent (or rather 7th one) of her Majesty who’s a dream of all women? And even if sometimes he has the face of Irish guy Pierce Brosnan, who would remember such details?
[QUOTE=Polvo]Nope. Wrong pigeon hole! The Gin and Tonic threw you.
Polvo[/QUOTE]Why men are so cruel and radical in their behaviour?
Well, I guess the only one thing I can do for goodbye it’s dedicating you another song.
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[QUOTE=Mmbmmb]
And if any AW doesn’t want to look at you gentlemen you can always console yourselves with the thought that you can find beautiful English girls. There’s only one condition, you have to get the right key ;-) to their hearts of course.
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You bring up a good point.
English girls are close cousins of the AW, along with Canadians, Australians and whatever you call people from New Zealand.
Most anything you can say about American girls you can tag onto an English girl. And for these reasons, most American guys step lightly on that territory. An English girl can bring impeccable manners, a more refined sense of propriety and a solid understanding of the common law to any relationship - all of these things work to the disadvantage of American men. She is likely to speak with an accent which either reminds Americans of Tony Blair or Queen Elizabeth II. In the United States this is considered a disadvantage in bed.
In fact, the American understanding of English culture marks probably one of the great dividing lines in American culture. If you asked an American guy to name a famous Englishman he would probably need a second and come back with something like Mick Jagger or Winston Churchill. On a good day, he might throw in Austin Powers or James Bond. But there are a lot of American girls who would kick off the list with Princess Diana and her sons, then take you on a remarkable tour of the extended royal family, a brief history of Romantic & Victorian novelists (and their impact on American television and movies) and top off the list with J.K. Rowling or, on a good day, Madonna. Many American girls love British culture and are captivated by "the royals".
This plays off a sick strand in American culture of sucking up to the British monarchy. You would think we would be over it after 230 years of independence. But a lot of American girls are raised with the idea of being a princess, I know this happens in other places and cultures as well, but in the United States a girl can hold onto these ideas for a very long time. I've met women here well into their 50s who proudly underscore their self-perception as a 'princess'. It's a nice fantasy, but an expensive reality, and something that I think breeds a degree of unhappiness in relationships. A lot of American girls look to British royalty and novels for models of bourgeois and royal behavior. They point to England with it's real, live princesses - well-branded and idle - as a model of how to live.
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Antipodean Viewpoints
jelly:
you thoughtful individual you!!
[quote=jelly donut].....english girls are close cousins of the aw, along with canadians, australians and whatever you call people from new zealand. ....anything you can say about american girls you can tag onto an english girl. [/quote]is it not simply, any female from a "developed" country?
[quote].....she is likely to speak with an accent which either reminds americans of tony blair or queen elizabeth ii. in the united states this is considered a disadvantage in bed....[/quote]in europe it is considered bad manners to talk when your mouth is full!!
[quote] "....a lot of american girls are raised with the idea of being a princess..." [/quote]is it a "princess" orientation or more the "hollywood barbie starf*cker" + "beauy pageant queen" ideal??
[quote]....american culture....[/quote]now, a smart arsed englishman would be quick to inform you that your phrase is an oxymoron. whereas, in reality, they arrogantly fail to understand that it is just a different set of "rules". i am always intrigued by americans rigorous defence of not only personal liberties but also national liberties and the pursuit, albeit sometines elusive,of free speech, the american constitution is in fact an astounding document if time is taken to read it. however, the feminazis have hijacked free speech to a large extent and are using it to restrict much real discourse as dissent is not called free speech! as a point of interest, and other than pure revenge, would anyone, really, really, want to pork rosie o'donnell??
jelly, you have always struck me as a hugely entertaining indiividual, and i now see that the river also runs deep. my compliments.
now, a propos nothing, i have had a dump in buckingham palace and it was not as a tourist! beat that for a royal flush!
suerte!
polvo
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This is precisely what the AW builds her dream fantasy wedding on: Anglophilia. All that mumbo jumbo ritual, ridiculous expense, unrealistic expectation of the "perfect" wedding are based on some idiotic vision of a mythic British royal wedding. Planning their wedding since age 4.
Then eventually (?) they wake up to be disappointed disillusioned angry biddies who blame us for their unhappiness.
I have to deal with on a daily basis being marginalized, demonized, & blamed for being a man, because I'm in grad school. Either they are young with their newly minted Women's "Studies" degree uncritically spouting ill-conceived dogma, or they are returning to school after three divorces (always the man's fault of course!) Either way, anything I say in class is shouted down & summarily discarded, simply because it came from my mouth. Then the identical thing is spoken by one of these b*****s and her sisters all nod sagely in agreement.
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[QUOTE=Mmbmmb]Well, I guess the only one thing I can do for goodbye it’s dedicating you another song.[/QUOTE]Polvo,
There should be a link to this song. Sorry, for sure it's my fault.
It's Marilyn Monroe's "Bye bye baby", very nice song.
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Polvo -
You've always got such good words, man. I have to admit I am jealous of the royal dump.
Yogin -
Don't get too worked up. In twenty years, by the time that 4 year old is carrying out her diabolical plans, if you keep your head about you, you are going be to hanging out on some sunny beach with a girl about half your age and twice as sexy as any girl in your discussion group now. The best revenge.
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[QUOTE=Mmbmmb]Gentlemen, isn’t there any English man? Does a Polish girl have to defend your honour?.....Polvo, isn’t it a first agent (or rather 7th one) of her Majesty who’s a dream of all women? And even if sometimes he has the face of Irish guy Pierce Brosnan, who would remember such details?....Why men are so cruel and radical in their behaviour?.....Well, I guess the only one thing I can do for goodbye it’s dedicating you another song......It's Marilyn Monroe's "Bye bye baby", very nice song.[/QUOTE]
Mmbmmb:
My apologies - the time lag between your post being reviewed by the moderator and my reading the thread meant I missed this post!!
You nearly got it, I am deeply impressed. The first agent 007 was Sir Sean Connery, a Scot. Who liked his Martini shaken, not stirred. I, however, always feel a lady should be stirred - not shaken by an encounter. It is important to be nice and respectful to everyone! I was attempting a very obscure and subtle juxtaposition.
A sassenach is a "lowlander" to be classically correct. So, although it is now a derrogatory term by a Scot for the English, it should really encompass the borderers who live in Scotland adjacent to the physical English border.
But I am puzzled by your later question:[QUOTE=Mmbmmb].......Why men are so cruel and radical in their behaviour?....[/QUOTE]I am trying to work out how that thought was triggered.
Hate to see you say goodbye! You provoke thought. Do not go gently into that dark night.
Suerte!
Polvo
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[quote=polvo]jelly:
you thoughtful individual you!!
is it not simply, any female from a "developed" country?
in europe it is considered bad manners to talk when your mouth is full!!
is it a "princess" orientation or more the "hollywood barbie starf*cker" + "beauy pageant queen" ideal??
now, a smart arsed englishman would be quick to inform you that your phrase is an oxymoron. whereas, in reality, they arrogantly fail to understand that it is just a different set of "rules". i am always intrigued by americans rigorous defence of not only personal liberties but also national liberties and the pursuit, albeit sometines elusive,of free speech, the american constitution is in fact an astounding document if time is taken to read it. however, the feminazis have hijacked free speech to a large extent and are using it to restrict much real discourse as dissent is not called free speech! as a point of interest, and other than pure revenge, would anyone, really, really, want to pork rosie o'donnell??
jelly, you have always struck me as a hugely entertaining indiividual, and i now see that the river also runs deep. my compliments.
now, a propos nothing, i have had a dump in buckingham palace and it was not as a tourist! beat that for a royal flush!
suerte!
polvo[/quote]
aussie women differ from other english speaking females since they are good for a cheap date and a night of good sex. they are not women to marry though. with american, british, and canadian women you will have to wine and dine them until they will spread their legs for you. an australian woman will be a horrible wife.
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polvo,
isn’t it ironical that from 6 actors who impersonated bond only 2 were englishmen (moore and craig) and the ideal of englishman is still a scot sean connery? but i admit that i didn’t watch "casino royale" so it would be unfair to judge daniel craig. i remind myself also another proof that life is malicious. isn’t it ironical that the ideal of a scot is american, mel gibson, who wonderfully played the role of william wallace?
anyway i watched "robin hood: men in tights" so my opinion about englishmen (that they‘re manly men) is still the same:.)
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and if it’s about my question, i guess i misunderstood you.
your nickname misled me;.) no offence but "dust" doesn’t fit to you. you should rather name yourself "rojo león" because you join the spanish temperament and the bravery of scottish lion. i think that’s way you dared to insult englishmen and you decided to withdraw your offer of gin and tonic.
but now everything’s clear.
unfortunately i’ll have to say goodbye soon. on monday my vacation is over and i have to come back to work and at university. so gentlemen, forgive me but i won’t be able to devote my time to the forum.
but i was thinking about your opinions all the time. it’s hard to throw out of my head the imaginations of polvo’s skills;.) so unintentionally i think about this forum. i wonder why the situation of "developed", rich societies (and i guess polish people aspire to be the one) is so horrible as you describe is. why people who have everything (money, health, good jobs, friends, families, and what the most important unlimited possibilities) are unhappy?
you write, gentlemen, about "a princess syndrome" (i have to remember "hollywood barbie starf*cker". i didn’t hear it:.)) but i’d like to ask who put the idea of being the world’s centre into aw’s heads. i don’t think it’s genetic disease. aw aren’t born as monsters with twisted psyche (i still think they aren’t them).
and please, gentlemen, don’t write that it’s feminism because it would be a simplification. one of you wrote that he doesn’t need and he doesn’t want a slave. thanks to feminism women can vote, work in the same professions as men and they aren’t anyone’s property. feminism, as ideology, caused improvement women and men’s life. besides feminism has a lot of faces/directions.
[quote=polvo]however, the feminazis have hijacked free speech to a large extent and are using it to restrict much real discourse as dissent is not called free speech!
[/quote]it’s not a problem of free speech, polvo. i know the better words to describe it: “political correctness” or rather it’s about a level it reached. there are still some taboos you can’t talk about e.g. homosexual marriages or also “princess syndrome”. and you can’t talk about them because you have to declare for or against. unluckily there’s nothing between, only attitude “you’re with us or against us. and if you’re against us you’re an enemy.” besides as i wrote earlier people forgot how to communicate but it’s another issue.
and political correctness isn’t only a problem of us.
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[QUOTE=Yogin]This is precisely what the AW builds her dream fantasy wedding on: Anglophilia. All that mumbo jumbo ritual, ridiculous expense, unrealistic expectation of the "perfect" wedding are based on some idiotic vision of a mythic British royal wedding. Planning their wedding since age 4.
Then eventually (?) they wake up to be disappointed disillusioned angry biddies who blame us for their unhappiness.[/QUOTE]Yogin, I still think that it’s a problem of consumer society. Anglophilia is a symptom not a reason. The British royal family is simply in fashion. Now it’s good business which brings money from tourists, media and also Englishmen. And of course it’s the best advertisement of England.
The same is with J.K. Rowling. Her books aren’t bad but they aren't also outstanding. Isn’t it a question of good marketing?
I’m not sure how to describe it to you so maybe I give you an example. When I came to US and I started to work there I could afford to buy different goods of brands which are perceived as luxurious in EE. But when I put on a Donna Karan’s shirt and I had a Dior’s mascara on my eyelashes I still looked normally. I mean nothing changed, I wasn’t prettier then before. The brutal truth is that if you have a big butt, even jeans from Armani can’t change it but when your butt is quite nice it doesn’t matter if you wear “no name” jeans or Armani ones because you still look good. I want to say that some AW (but also AM) think they can buy happiness, that they will be together to the end of their lives if they have 15 bridesmaids and expensive limousine on their wedding. It’s similar to situation when your neighbor has new Audi TT and you have old Ford. You can be sure that your neighbor will boast his new purchase. He can think that with this car he can pick up more pretty girls then with old Ford. Maybe it’s truth but it doesn’t guarantee that the girls won’t have “garbage in their heads”.
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Bingo! Consumerism, which is just a fancy word for greed, is a big part of the problem. This isn't limited to USA/UK/Canada but it is very pronounced here. Now you add materialism, (the brother of consumerism) with some unrealistic expectations and a strong sense of entitlement. Voila! you have the perfect recipe for a bunch of unhappy people.
All the D+G, Armani, Prada, Lexus and Chanel in the world won't make you happy if you're empty inside. That's a big part of the problem here, women AND men are empty on the inside. There's no sense of higher purpose, no deeper meaning to anything we do. Everyone scurries around trying to be some kind of big-shot, trying to fill their lives with useless stuff so that the people they know will be impressed.
That's the reason behind these stupid overdone weddings and bigass houses with 2 SUVS in the driveway and 6 TV's inside. That's why all these average looking women keep trying to come across like they are something special. This is why so many people these days have this overblown sense of self-esteem. Everybody wants to be a somebody, they want to be "special". They usually don't have what it takes to actually BE special, but that doesn't stop them from wanting it.
Rock
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[QUOTE=Mmbmmb]Polvo,
Isn’t it ironical that from 6 actors who impersonated Bond only 2 were Englishmen (Moore and Craig) and the ideal of Englishman is still a Scot Sean Connery? [/QUOTE]
In fact 7 actors have portrayed Bond. The 7th was also an Englishman. He is almost always forgotten.
What is his name?
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[QUOTE=Angus Magee]In fact 7 actors have portrayed Bond. The 7th was also an Englishman. He is almost always forgotten....What is his name?[/QUOTE]Angus:
Complicated. There were three "official" English James Bonds'. Mmbmmb did not mention George Lazenby, who was crap, and his Bond girl (Diana Rigg) hated him so much she ate garlic when they did scenes together to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] him off.
However, David Niven did do an "unofficial" film. He could be your 7th, as there were only six "official" actors.
Sean Connery (1962-1967; 1971)
George Lazenby (1969)
Roger Moore (1973-1985)
Timothy Dalton (1987-1989)
Pierce Brosnan (1995-2004)
Daniel Craig (2006-present).
[QUOTE=Mmbmmb]Your nickname misled me;.) No offence but "dust" doesn’t fit to you. You should rather name yourself "Rojo León" because you join the Spanish temperament and the bravery of Scottish lion. I think that’s way you dared to insult Englishmen and you decided to withdraw your offer of gin and tonic.[/quote]Mmbmmb:
The Scottish Lion is a "Lion Rampant", whereas the English Lion is a "Lion Passant" - guess which one I would prefer and thank you for the compliment.
[QUOTE=Mmbmmb]Isn’t it ironical that the ideal of a Scot is American, Mel Gibson, who wonderfully played the role of William Wallace?[/quote]In fact I did go to the very same school that William Wallace did - I firmly believe I had the same damn desk!! But I am not Scottish.
So, you can see that I do have an identity problem sometimes. But "Polvo" is Peruvian slang for a specific activity - dust is one of the "proper" translations.
And, I have not withdrawn my offer for you to buy me a Gin and Tonic. I would love to see you in, or out, of those no-name jeans!
Work to live - don't live to work!!
Suerte!
Polvo
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angus magee,
is polvo right and you think about david niven? he was bond in “casino royale” in 1967.
and of course i forgot about george lazenby. he was born in australia but it doesn’t mean that he’s a worse subject of her majesty then moore or craig
[quote=polvo]and, i have not withdrawn my offer for you to buy me a gin and tonic. i would love to see you in, or out, of those no-name jeans!
work to live - don't live to work!![/quote]polvo,
your proposition flatter me and i can’t believe that so charming and talented man decided to be interested in my modest person.
however for one reason i have to (with sorrow) reject your offer. you see, this cowboy who’s the master of kissing women’s breasts is still my favorite provider of free sex. and because he joins the temperament of asian tiger and strenght of american grizzly ;-) it’s hard to satisfy him. even if i like sport, my condition isn’t so good to spend an evening with the “american grizzly” and after a night with the rampant scottish lion. i’m afraid it’s the fastest way to get a heart attack ;-)
and besides i didn’t stop to believe in the theory about plants and people. if my faithfulness is like water for the grizzly how could i deprive him of it? so please, don’t be disappointed of my attitude
rock dog,
i agree with what you wrote but i want to draw your attention to one more thing (i don’t want you to misunderstand what i wrote before).
consumerism is only one side of problem but old ford, instead of new audi, also won’t guarantee you happiness. because the problem isn’t in the things, it’s in people’s heads. a dior’s mascara or lexus are only a piece of plastic or metal, nothing more. you wrote that there’s no higher purpose in people’s behavior but i think there is. we all want happiness even if, as you wrote, we can’t describe what it is.
buying dior’s mascara i decided to spend x dollars more for it then for maxfactor’s product because my female friends told me” mmbmmb, it’s better then maxfactor. you’ll see the difference. you will look like models on the commercials”.
(the question if the product is really better and worth the x dollars more it’s another issue.) anyway i thought, quoting l’oreal’s slogan, “am i not worth of it?” ;-)
and i wanted to look nicely for a date with my cowboy. of course as a simple man he noticed only a new bra (which was also pretty) but he didn’t say anything about my eyelashes. and because i’m sure he’s a man with a big sense of beauty i understood that i simply didn’t look like models on billboards ;-) tell me, how do you think, is it a fault of dior’s mascara or my unrealistic expectation? on the other hand, do you think that grizzly would say anything about maxfactor’s mascara? i don’t think so :-)
similar situation is with ford and audi. both are a piece of metal and both give you the same chance to pick up a valuable girl because the valuable girl looks at you, not at your car. if you knew that your car is more important for her then you, would you still want her? so is it fault a car that you can’t meet any valuable women or your expectation that with audi you must meet her and with ford you have no chance for it?
and, gentlemen, because it’s a thread about aw (not about eew or am :-)) let they be another example. i’m sure you watched/ heard about a programme called “swan”, “i want to be a sawn” or “to be a swan”. sorry, i don’t remember the exact title but it was something about swan. in reality the programme wasn’t about animals but about women who from ugly duck wanted to change into beautiful swan. i saw 2 or 3 episodes but i remember only one woman who really needed help. she hadn’t her own teeth, generally all teeth, and i think they helped her paying for an expensive dental treatment what was even better for her health then for appearance. the rest of the ladies needed more a good psychotherapist then this programme. don’t think they weren’t normal, they were. they only had very low self-esteem. to tell the truth they didn’t need plastic surgery. they should go to the gym and lose some kilos, buy new, pretty dresses, go to the hairdresser and to a person who would show them how to make-up themselves. they would look better after these things then after the programme. by the way, did you notice that after changes ladies looked like the sisters? i mean the ideal of beauty was a big breast (the best long-hired and blond) barbie and they tried to change all women into it, even if they were petite brunettes.
anyway, do you think that the real life of the women changed so much after the programme? were they better employees, wives, mothers? or they were the same but only with the new breasts and haircut? i wonder what will be with them in 20, 30 years? will they accept with cheerfulness and distance that they don’t look like a barbie ideal? and i wonder how they look after a few years. will someone, who didn’t have a habit of caring about oneself, be able to keep the regime of the exercises and diet?
so gentlemen, i think that the ladies were happier after the programme but did it bring them the real happiness? does it mean that without this programme their life would be nothing, that without this programme they couldn’t enjoy it? i hope not.
it would be frightening if someone conditions the sense of life from the his/her appearance.
i don’t say that beauty isn’t important. everyone likes to have around oneself beautiful things and we like to look at beautiful people. so it’s nothing wrong if you have money and want to buy a nice painting or armani jeans. the problem is when you believe that only because you bought the armani jeans your butt will look slimmer then it is in reality. it’s nothing wrong that you want to look like a barbie (we don’t discuss here about people’s tastes, some people like pamela anderson and the others angelina jolie, it’s normal). it’s something wrong when you believe that the barbie look will make you a better person. when you think it will give you people’s admiration or love only because you have big breasts and pretty face.
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[QUOTE=Mmbmmb]Angus Magee,
Is Polvo right and you think about David Niven? He was Bond in “Casino Royale” in 1967.[/QUOTE]
Yes, David Niven is the forgotten Bond. Though it is also true that the original "Casino Royal" was not part of the official Bond franchise and he is therefore not considered an official Bond character. As for me, I find him one of the best. Of course Sir Sean is, for my money, Top-Bond.
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Six days and not a single new post.
I hereby move that the previous line of discussion be considered dead and buried and forgotten for all time. Surely someone has something relevant to say. Relevant that is, to the topic of this forum.
Rock
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[QUOTE=Rock Dog]Six days and not a single new post.
I hereby move that the previous line of discussion be considered dead and buried and forgotten for all time. Surely someone has something relevant to say. Relevant that is, to the topic of this forum.
Rock[/QUOTE]
Relevant?
Maybe its time we quit bashing and start actually doing something about it.
Mmbmmb has tried to point out that the "grass might not be greener" and that maybe we should focus more locally and on ourselves.
Fact is, I can live life without a woman in it, its pretty easy. I could have gone to Europe as early as mid Jan, but I choose to focus on one of my favorite hobbies instead.
I'm finally tired of local woman so I have decided to go now before the summertime rush.
As I have mentioned before my situation is unique and that doesn't go over too well with American women. Of the European woman I have come into contact with locally, they don't care about my living arrangement but so far that hasn't worked out too well. I think its strictly a numbers thing, eventually I'll "hit" on something and it will click.
But I rather go to the source than deal with local competition, which tends to leave women a bit jaded by the time you meet them.
I refuse to spend any more time and money on American woman and I will not go to other locations within our shores to find somebody, I rather venture beyond our shores, its more exciting anyway...
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I was reading some of the original posts on this thread. I've made it to post #12. Only about 5369 to go...
'Mill Just' has some interesting thinking going on in Post #12, June 2002. Some very provocative stuff, basically floating some very un-WSG kind of thinking around. "Women are experiencing growing pains as a gender and this, my friend IS a monster that we DID create because we held women as inferiors and took advantage of them for ages" What sort of person capitalizes the verb TO BE? Was this guy shipped off to a WSG reeducation camp? It seems like he's whoring around Mexico these days. So I think the story has a happy ending.
Freaking Marxists. I swear they will move any idea forward if they think it will get them laid. I myself kept a copy of Gerder Lerner's "Creation of Patriarchy" on my bookshelf for years in the hope it might help move the ball forward. Not sure that it worked, although I did nail a Yalie while it sat on my shelves.
There's an excellent book called "The Botany of Desire", by Michael Pollan. He argues from the perspective of plants - makes a case for how men have been manipulated by various plants in order to promote the plants respective biological agendas. It's an interesting read and I can't do justice to his arguments here - but I think someone reading it might reflect that just because something seems "inferior" does not mean it's failing to accomplish it's biological destiny or that it's being taken advantage of...
I think I just compared women to plants. So I think I'll stop there.
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[QUOTE=Rock Dog].... I hereby move that the previous line of discussion be considered dead and buried and forgotten for all time. Surely someone has something relevant to say. Relevant ....Rock[/QUOTE]Rock:
Dammit man, I was trying to get my leg over Mmbmmb. Surely that is the ultimate relevancy of this forum!! :-)
Onwards.
One thing that struck me , and I think with the authors that Jelly discussed amply demonstrated, that perhaps we are simply being too erudite.
There is an immutable law in nature called The Golden Rule. (He who has the gold rules.) Now, in old legal circles "He" covers all genders. So, is the problem not simply a case of economics. Look at our board. The countries where we males have the most fun tend to have the lower GDP and a poor distribution of income. So, as you go up the GDP scale the women have more money (without the aid of the court system yet) so they now have the gold as well! We end up with an problem. The result is that they then have an "elevated" sense of the worth of their goods, that is beyond what the market will now pay. Impasse. This is amply demonstrated in the way they "sell" their wares; a different , complex and completely obnoxious manner to us simple folk (men) who want a straightforward transaction. And American women have the highest disposable income of any other society.
Could it be this simple? Economics?
Polvo
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[QUOTE=Polvo]Rock:
Dammit man, I was trying to get my leg over Mmbmmb. Surely that is the ultimate relevancy of this forum!! :-)
Onwards.
One thing that struck me , and I think with the authors that Jelly discussed amply demonstrated, that perhaps we are simply being too erudite.
There is an immutable law in nature called The Golden Rule. (He who has the gold rules.) Now, in old legal circles "He" covers all genders. So, is the problem not simply a case of economics. Look at our board. The countries where we males have the most fun tend to have the lower GDP and a poor distribution of income. So, as you go up the GDP scale the women have more money (without the aid of the court system yet) so they don't need to be subservient. They just sell their wares in a different , complex and completely obnoxious manner to us simple folk (men) who want a straightforward transaction. And American women have the highest disposable income of any other society.
Could it be this simple? Economics?
Polvo[/QUOTE]
I think there alot of factors internationally compared to nationally.
Nationally we are up against the Media at large, weather it be Oprah, The View, Fox News or E!
Combine that with the larger income of American women and you have the problems we have now with unrealistic expectations of a relationship. That is if she's from the top say 10% of woman in your area. Those with children, social problems and/or physical problems BETTER have a lower expectations otherwise they'll spend a majority of life SINGLE.
No matter how beautiful a single mother is, chances are she's been views as a easy sex target by many younger single men and more often than not, that is very much the case, they are easier targets.
So I that goes to Social Economics, more than financial economics.
If your a 8-9 or 10 and childless, your social value is very high and woman play that to their advantage, I don't care if they live in the US or in the Ukraine.
But because we are taught to be impressive to woman to win them over in the US, we try those same tactics on European, South American and Asian women when its really not needed.
In other words, YOUR social worth is measured not so much by how you look, where you work, what car you drive or where you live, its the content of your personalty and your soul that's more important to these woman, as many of them are very traditional when it comes to families.
Many American woman loath the idea of being traditional as that is passe to many of them, especially in large urban areas like Los Angeles, New York, Chicago, Detroit, Dallas and Miami.
Look at personal ads, how many of them claim to be great cooks? Very few and if they are, they come from where they "grow" such woman. Those same women that want something beyond that shiet-kicker moron they dated in high school. But "city life" as upped their expectations and its more difficult than it needs to be to date such woman.
Its simple; American woman, all shapes, color and sizes put a perceive value on there pussy. Its usually over-valued, which it explain the sense of entitlement behavior of BBW's....
Women from other counties, know there's another woman around the corner that if they don't grab you, somebody else will. That raises your value as a man to these woman.
American women don't value you the same way.
But that plays differently depending on some factors.
If your American, while that might seem to be played out, it actually isn't you just have to play to a crowd that accepts you.
All I'm really saying is this -
As an American Man, Black, White, Latino, Asian, whatever, your best SERVED by Freebies & potential "wifey" material by women NOT FROM NORTH AMERICA.
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[QUOTE=Polvo]
And American women have the highest disposable income of any other society.
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I did not know that. Is it that much higher than the other original OECD countries?
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]
Look at personal ads, how many of them claim to be great cooks?
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Yeah, none, of course. I'm a reasonably good cook; I learned mainly in order to help get women in the sack. I think this helped, but these days I do my own cooking in order to eat well while keeping expenses down. As a "confirmed" single guy I need to pay more attention to these things. As I understand it, my life expectancy is lower than the life expectancy for married guys.
I don't really understand how that is possible. The majority of the married guys I know are stressed and apparently miserable. I go out of my way not to show them my lastest "friends" from South America, since it would only add to the misery all the way around. Anyway, since I'm free I have way more time than married guys to be outside and recreating; I have less stress. It seems like I should be able to out-pace those miserable husbands.
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[QUOTE=Jelly Donut]I did not know that. Is it that much higher than the other original OECD countries?
....... As I understand it, my life expectancy is lower than the life expectancy for married guys.........[/QUOTE]
Jelly:
I will check and see if I have the figures.
Regarding life expectancy, I saw that report and immediately decided it was complete rubbish - mainly for the reasons you have stated - so I didn't read it very closely. Thinking back though, I cannot recall if "single" also included divorced. Of whom there are a shit-load. I can see them going tits up before anyone else, because that is a much more stressful environment (emotionally, physically, financally). BUT - if one is the standard issue American male and single, have not heard of ISG or the prepondarance of pussy beyond the shining seas, and trying to deal with American women, one might just be simply masturbating to death!
Suerte!
Polvo
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No big deal with the figures of course - I'm just trying to grapple with the differences between American girls and girls in other rich countries. I think we have more weight, but I'm optimistic the Indians are going to crush us in that category in a few years.
The whole cooking thing is funny. Just one more thing I did mostly to seem more attractive and charming for the AW. I think about the amount of time, effort, money and resources I tossed into the American Dating Sweepstakes - I really should have spending more time learning Spanish or, I guess, Polish. Indonesian sure would be a nice thing to have in my toolkit just now. Of course, when you are playing the ADS you assume you are going to win and that keeps you from thinking things through.
[QUOTE=Polvo]Jelly:
I will check and see if I have the figures.
Regarding life expectancy, I saw that report and immediately decided it was complete rubbish - mainly for the reasons you have stated - so I didn't read it very closely. Thinking back though, I cannot recall if "single" also included divorced. Of whom there are a shit-load. I can see them going tits up before anyone else, because that is a much more stressful environment (emotionally, physically, financally). BUT - if one is the standard issue American male and single, have not heard of ISG or the prepondarance of pussy beyond the shining seas, and trying to deal with American women, one might just be simply masturbating to death!
Suerte!
Polvo[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Jelly Donut]......I think we have more weight..... [/QUOTE]
It's the McDonalds - not your cooking!
[QUOTE=Jelly Donut]......I really should have spending more time learning Spanish or, I guess, Polish. Indonesian sure would be a nice thing to have in my toolkit just now. .[/QUOTE]
Accuerdo! I was trained as a French linguist and I speak gutter German (Is this your tank? Hands up etc.). Complete waste of time. Spanish fluency is essential in this axis. I worked a lot in Malaysia, Singapore and Indonesia. I found that limping along in English worked most of the time as a "bule".
Salut
Polvo
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[QUOTE=Polvo]
Dammit man, I was trying to get my leg over Mmbmmb. Surely that is the ultimate relevancy of this forum!! :-)
Polvo[/QUOTE]Polvo,
What if I’m fat, ugly and bald. Do you still want to get your leg over someone who Greenpeace confuses with a whale? ;-) Be careful what you ask for ;-)
Gentlemen, I had to write something because I can’t believe in what you wrote.
Money,money,money. I understand they’re important but if it’s only about money what am I doing here? Hmm, sometimes I think that I just liked you gentlemen :-) because even if in reality you can be bald, fat and ugly, you showed me your second, nicer face on the forum. And gentlemen, I really would like a girl to grab you and to harass sexually so much that you wouldn’t have strenght to discuss with me anymore ;-)
And because I can’t believe that such people as you, who are intelligent and charming, are still full of bitterness. So I decided to write the second part of my golden thoughts ;-)
Ok gentlemen. I guess that at the beginning we have to fix one thing. Even if it’s the forum about “P4P” I understand we talk about true love and true feelings, not about how much you have to pay for love. There are another threads for that. Otherwise you wouldn’t complain so much that you can’t meet the woman of your life.
So, you claim that women outside US are subservient (because they’re poor, yes?), or rather they have to be if they don’t want to be single. Maybe it’s partly truth.
But no offence, with such attitude, soon you will have to look for your ideal princess on Mars. Nothing against green beauties but you have to remember that the fly tickets are expensive in this case :-)
Do you really think that my only one ambition is to find a stupid American and to use him for his money? Gentlemen, believe me, I wouldn’t waste my life for it because it’s too short.
I remind myself a document about Russian brides and after I watched it I thought: “ Jesus Christ, what happened to Russia if these poor girls have to marry a guy who doesn’t even understand them?” Don’t tell me it’s a true love when the only one thing between them is sex. I understand that she wants better life for herself and her children but what about this guy? What is he looking for? And don’t use “creative linguistics”. We can name it “a hope for happiness with Russian woman” but in reality it’s a form of prostitution (very sad form). She doesn’t get money but a visa to US (it’s some kind of benefit). He gets free cleaning lady, cook and (forgive me my language) free pussy, at least to the moment she will learn English. I don’t want to judge it. If they are happy, it’s their own business but why after he complains that she’s a b**ch and wants a divorce?
Here I’d like to ask you what true love means to you? I hope it’s not only sex or subservient attitude and you don’t look only for it.
Gentlemen, besides I have impression that you think they sell happiness in a store at the corner. And what’s the most funny that they even will give you a guarantee for it :-) I mean you think that if you get a wife for Europe ,SA, or Asia she has to be wonderful, to be a good cook and the hot lover. Of course she can be a wonderful girl but the nationality has nothing to do with it.
DJ FourMoney:
In other words, YOUR social worth is measured not so much by how you look, where you work, what car you drive or where you live, its the content of your personalty and your soul that's more important to these woman, as many of them are very traditional when it comes to families
And what does it mean “traditional”? Yes, you’re right that personality and soul is the most important but what it has to do with the “traditional” family?
And by the way, I admire to cook because nothing tastes so good as a whipped cream with strawberries, made by myself :-), when I feed them my favorite grizzly ;-) Is it traditional? maybe it’s not original but traditional ;-)?
So, DJ FourMoney, let’s go to the part of your post where you wrote about less valuable girls, these ones who are with social problems and children. I’m afraid to ask but what kind of social problems you think about? I hope it’s not something like: ”I’m illegal immigrant, please good mister, take care of me.” ;-) In this case I agree she would do everything for you and she won’t care if she’s valuable or not.
And do you think that if she really loves you the children are problem? I don’t want to be an authority here, I don’t have children. For sure children are expensive, emotionally and financially, but I guess we talk about a situation when you both want to create a normal family, not about situation when you’re an ATM (then it’s love for dollars not you). So if you had a child would you feel less valuable only because you want to love someone again? But maybe single fathers are also passé on the US dating scene? Does it mean that even if they have a beautiful soul any women won’t look at them because they have children? I don’t believe in it.
I wonder where you look for your perfect woman if you have such experiences. And please, don’t think I’m malicious.
And I would forget about the people with physical problems. Do they also have to show lower expectations (= it means to agree for dating with people who have garbage in their heads ???) to find love? And what if, for example, you have burnt skin on your face? Would you be another person inside or the same DJ FourMoney? So the only one thing which left is to shoot oneself because now you won’t find any valuable girl? Maybe it’s better solution then to live next 30 years with "Hollywood Barbie Starf*cker" girl ;-)
Life isn’t only economy (social or financial, it doesn’t matter).
I’m sorry gentlemen I can’t write more. I’ll check what you answered next week. It’s quite late in EE.
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A few AW observations
Good evening, Gentlemen. It's been about a month now that I've been back in the U.S. from South America, and I wanted to share with other posters on here a few things I've noticed about AWs. Please tell me if I'm correct, or I'm just going crazy and seeing things from the decrease in sexual activity that is affecting me now that I'm back in Sex Prison:
1. Is it just me, or has anyone else here seen these fat AWs that have somehow snagged good looking, handsome dudes?? Have you guys seen this, I'm talking about the 200+ pound AW wearing bumble-bee glasses going out with a slim, fit AM. Is this some new fad that happened while I was out of the country? Maybe this is the "In" thing to do now, and no one told me (as usual!). The men usually seem like the effeminate types, so maybe it is some sort of dominant/submissive relationship. Or maybe he is gay and just going shopping with his best friend? Help me out here, guys.
2. Has anyone here noticed an increase in AW dating FOREIGN men?? Now, I live in California, so I am specifically talking about the AW that are dating Mexican men. Most of the AW that I see with Hispanic guys are the worst of the worst. I mean we're talking obese, 300+ lbs. Mostly I have seen this combination at the local shopping mall. It seems like the AW is usually bigger than the hispanic guy, and in some instances, seems to be the one "in charge" of the relationship. In a few instances, these poor bastards actually knocked up these women and have kids with them now! Has anyone else seen this? Are these guys just doing it to get the citizenship (that HAS to be it!) or maybe they have a thing for morbidly-obese gringas? And these are the women that won't let *US* bring back women from other countries??? This one really makes me scratch my head.
3. For the fatties that don't have boyfriends: are they now going out on dates....with their girlfriends? Here is the scenario: I was at one of these new restaurants a couple weeks ago in the suburbs. Maybe you know the setup: one half of the place is like a family restaurant, and the other half is a full blown sports bar (this is what happens when Yuppies design restaurants in the 'burbs!). Anyways, I'm sitting at the bar with my beer, watching a Giants game. During the commercial, I look around the other part of the restaurant and notice something interesting. Of course, I see some tables with the typical middle-aged man with his fat AW wife, and his three, bratty, snot nosed kids eating dinner.
*Let me pause this story for a minute and just add one thing, in reference to a prior post made on here: as a single man, there is no way in HELL I am going to die before all these poor, married bastards. No way in hell.*
Ok, back to the story. So, in addition to the family types eating there, I noticed another group of individuals. At at least a few different tables there were groups of young AW's (I would say age 21-25, maybe?) three to four to a table, dressed up like they were out on a date. They were larger girls, but not any bigger than the fatties I was speaking of in bullet number one. Some of them would actually be attractive if they lost 50 pounds. At each table, they had ordered multiple pitchers of beers, and plate after plate of appetizers. As a side note, you should have seen this one girl eat this entire plate of potato skins! It was like watching a deadly car crash; you know you shouldn't look, but you have to!
I didn't see any men with them, but they were all dressed up like they were out on a date. In addition, these types of restaurants aren't really the kinds of places you go to meet people, so I assumed that their boyfriends were in the bathroom or something. I must say I've never heard of a bunch of dudes going to the bathroom together but, hey, this is California.
Fifteen minutes passed and all these girls were still sitting by themselves. Mostly just stuffing their faces with buffalo wings or nachos, but they seemed to be having a good time; they actually seemed to be enjoying themselves. I can't say I've ever seen anything like this before, has anyone else witnessed this? Are some AWs just giving up on men and turning to appetizers and beer to "fill" them (pun intended). Or maybe it was lesbo night at this particular establishment?
I feel like a stranger in my own country!
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A Sojourn in Hell
[QUOTE=Ezinho].....Please tell me if I'm correct, or I'm just going crazy and seeing things from the decrease in sexual activity that is affecting me now that I'm back in Sex Prison:[/quote]Ezinho - I laughed my ass off when I read this. I am always going back and forth to sex prison and I feel as if I have suddenly arrived in a sexual and cultural desert!!
[QUOTE=Ezinho].....1. Is it just me, or has anyone else here seen these fat AWs that have somehow snagged good looking, handsome dudes?? Have you guys seen this, I'm talking about the 200+ pound AW wearing bumble-bee glasses going out with a slim, fit AM. .....[/quote]They probably did not start out fat. They ended up that way by gorging on dressed salads, eating steaks and baked potatoe plates that would feed an Ethiopian family for a week - oh, and having a [b]diet[/b] coke. I have a friend who married a model from the Ford agency. Smoking, smoking hot (and I am fussy). Now she is a 300lb wonder and if she bends over you can park your bicycle wheel in her ass.
[QUOTE=Ezinho].....2. Has anyone here noticed an increase in AW dating FOREIGN men?? .....I mean we're talking obese, 300+ lbs. ....It seems like the AW is usually bigger than the hispanic guy, .....or maybe they have a thing for morbidly-obese gringas?[/quote]Some darker complexioned gentlemen like girls with "back". Many Latin American men mistake buttocks like sandbags for Brazilian Bunda. Mind it has its uses. You can block open a door or block out the sun!!
[QUOTE=Ezinho].....3. For the fatties that don't have boyfriends: are they now going out on dates....with their girlfriends? [/quote]Yes. It is called Girls Night Out (GNO)! Usually a "formal" night every single fucking week. They dress up and play sophisticate. While chopping up their food into little itty, bitty, pieces and then using just a fork to shovel it into their gaping maw. Jesus.
[QUOTE=Ezinho].....*Let me pause this story for a minute and just add one thing, in reference to a prior post made on here: as a single man, there is no way in HELL I am going to die before all these poor, married bastards. No way in hell.*[/quote]I arranged a place in hell for Jelly with Him. I also got him possible absolution but he chose to stay in a warmer place! You may die before these people if you stand between the salad bar and the fatties. Do you want me to make arrangements for you?
[QUOTE=Ezinho].....So, in addition to the family types eating there, I noticed another group of individuals. At at least a few different tables there were groups of young AW's (I would say age 21-25, maybe?) three to four to a table, dressed up like they were out on a date. They were larger girls, but not any bigger than the fatties I was speaking of in bullet number one. Some of them would actually be attractive if they lost 50 pounds.[/quote]Girls Night Out. I wonder if they get wet when they have their manicure before they go out???
[quote]I feel like a stranger in my own country, help![/QUOTE]
You are.
Suerte!
Polvo
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American women with social problems -
The accuser - A woman with a checked history claims Chris Rock fathered her child.
The accused - Actor/Comedian Chris Rock
And I quote -
[quote]Chris Rock is under fire from a woman who claims he's her 13-year-old baby's daddy, but cops say the woman behind the allegations has been full of s**t for years.
TMZ has learned that 36-year-old Kali Bowyer, who Rock never denied having a fling with several years before he met wife Malaak, has an extensive criminal past riddled with numerous bizarre police encounters, and a penchant for telling wild stories. According to a thick stack of government documents obtained by TMZ, Bowyer was convicted of DUI in Georgia, charged with theft by deception last summer, and is facing charges of running an elaborate cell phone scam.
And it doesn't end there! In the last two years, more than [i]ten incident reports[/i] detail some truly strange encounters with police, including one in which cops say she claimed to have been held at gunpoint and forced to "ingest some white powder," a tale which her own son contradicted under questioning. [i]Bad checks, domestic disturbances, and several veracity-questionable incidents left police scratching their heads[/i].
Bowyer first popped up ten years ago when the boy in question was 3-years-old, claiming that Rock was the dad, but then, we're told, she disappeared after Rock agreed to a DNA test. Though she claims that the comedian's the dad, Bowyer oddly didn't list Rock on the birth certificate.
Yesterday, Rock indicated that he would still take a DNA test to determine paternity, even offering to help support the child if he is, in fact, the dad.[/quote]
A proven liar and wild story teller, that qualifies as a SOCIAL PROBLEM.
You want another example?
Women who have several children from several different fathers and they aren't prostitutes. Making Father's Day and "Career Day" in 2nd grade very confusing for those children...
A sign of opening our legs in hoping said man will stay with you. When that fails, you're left with the child and he's no where to be found for responsibility.
A proven Baby Factory and somebody who's sexually irresponsible, that qualifies as a SOCIAL PROBLEM.
Speaking of children -
Hooking up with a single mother complicates things to no end. Theres an overabundance of single mothers in the US. I guess that means their alot of shady Men in the US as well. But both self-control and responsibly go both ways.
Why are these women letting some men run up in them without any form of birth control???
That's a question that if asked is often returned with a hateful stare.
Like: "How dare you ask me such a question!" :mad
Umm if you want me involved with you, I want to know what kind of decision making produces a child and a father you have to chase with the help of tax payer's money to find and make pay for his responsibilities.
If you make such decisions in the heat of passion, Uh what else are you capable of in the "heat of passion"; which has me wondering to no end. Either that or you take child bearing LIGHTLY. After going through natural child birth, I can say without a doubt that these woman don't take child bearing LIGHTLY anymore....
As a woman Mmbmmb, this might bother you, but woman like these examples are DAMAGED GOODS.
I am single and childless, I would love to be a father someday, I do have a CHOICE in that I would like for both myself and my wife to be FIRST TIME PARENTS.
Is that horrible? I didn't think it was.
I'm not quite sure I'm ready to take on the responsibly of being a husband and father as soon as I get deeply involved with a single mother. That's a bit too much too soon and as long as I have control over that decision, I will not take it lightly.
As for my looks -
I'm 6'0, Brown Hair (shaved head), Brown Eyes, 190lbs, Slim, Single Black Male
As one Ukrainian woman told me on Monday - "Your Handsome!"
As a German lady always texts me with the opening line of "Hi Handsome!"
Not to toot my own horn, but I do a fair amount of damage if given the chance...
Oh yeah -
By Traditional I mean -
A woman wants to be successful at home and at work.
She wants it all! I would love to give it too her... I feel 90% of the AW don't deserve such a shot.
I should mention that any of my European propects are several notches better looking than any of the American women that would "let me" date them in the last several years.
As Jelly Donut said and I agree, I'm not wasting any more money in the American Dating Sweepstakes where you chances of being successful are only 1 in 5 million if your not Brad Pitt, Tyrese or Freddie Prince Jr.
I am going where I am wanted, that is Europe, they want me, they always ask WHEN AM I COMING OVER... I don't need any more incentive than that!
[QUOTE=Mmbmmb]Polvo,
What if I’m fat, ugly and bald. Do you still want to get your leg over someone who Greenpeace confuses with a whale? ;-) Be careful what you ask for ;-)
Gentlemen, I had to write something because I can’t believe in what you wrote.
Money,money,money. I understand they’re important but if it’s only about money what am I doing here? Hmm, sometimes I think that I just liked you gentlemen :-) because even if in reality you can be bald, fat and ugly, you showed me your second, nicer face on the forum. And gentlemen, I really would like a girl to grab you and to harass sexually so much that you wouldn’t have strenght to discuss with me anymore ;-)
And because I can’t believe that such people as you, who are intelligent and charming, are still full of bitterness. So I decided to write the second part of my golden thoughts ;-)
Ok gentlemen. I guess that at the beginning we have to fix one thing. Even if it’s the forum about “P4P” I understand we talk about true love and true feelings, not about how much you have to pay for love. There are another threads for that. Otherwise you wouldn’t complain so much that you can’t meet the woman of your life.
So, you claim that women outside US are subservient (because they’re poor, yes?), or rather they have to be if they don’t want to be single. Maybe it’s partly truth.
But no offence, with such attitude, soon you will have to look for your ideal princess on Mars. Nothing against green beauties but you have to remember that the fly tickets are expensive in this case :-)
Do you really think that my only one ambition is to find a stupid American and to use him for his money? Gentlemen, believe me, I wouldn’t waste my life for it because it’s too short.
I remind myself a document about Russian brides and after I watched it I thought: “ Jesus Christ, what happened to Russia if these poor girls have to marry a guy who doesn’t even understand them?” Don’t tell me it’s a true love when the only one thing between them is sex. I understand that she wants better life for herself and her children but what about this guy? What is he looking for? And don’t use “creative linguistics”. We can name it “a hope for happiness with Russian woman” but in reality it’s a form of prostitution (very sad form). She doesn’t get money but a visa to US (it’s some kind of benefit). He gets free cleaning lady, cook and (forgive me my language) free pussy, at least to the moment she will learn English. I don’t want to judge it. If they are happy, it’s their own business but why after he complains that she’s a b**ch and wants a divorce?
Here I’d like to ask you what true love means to you? I hope it’s not only sex or subservient attitude and you don’t look only for it.
Gentlemen, besides I have impression that you think they sell happiness in a store at the corner. And what’s the most funny that they even will give you a guarantee for it :-) I mean you think that if you get a wife for Europe ,SA, or Asia she has to be wonderful, to be a good cook and the hot lover. Of course she can be a wonderful girl but the nationality has nothing to do with it.
DJ FourMoney:
In other words, YOUR social worth is measured not so much by how you look, where you work, what car you drive or where you live, its the content of your personalty and your soul that's more important to these woman, as many of them are very traditional when it comes to families
And what does it mean “traditional”? Yes, you’re right that personality and soul is the most important but what it has to do with the “traditional” family?
And by the way, I admire to cook because nothing tastes so good as a whipped cream with strawberries, made by myself :-), when I feed them my favorite grizzly ;-) Is it traditional? maybe it’s not original but traditional ;-)?
So, DJ FourMoney, let’s go to the part of your post where you wrote about less valuable girls, these ones who are with social problems and children. I’m afraid to ask but what kind of social problems you think about? I hope it’s not something like: ”I’m illegal immigrant, please good mister, take care of me.” ;-) In this case I agree she would do everything for you and she won’t care if she’s valuable or not.
And do you think that if she really loves you the children are problem? I don’t want to be an authority here, I don’t have children. For sure children are expensive, emotionally and financially, but I guess we talk about a situation when you both want to create a normal family, not about situation when you’re an ATM (then it’s love for dollars not you). So if you had a child would you feel less valuable only because you want to love someone again? But maybe single fathers are also passé on the US dating scene? Does it mean that even if they have a beautiful soul any women won’t look at them because they have children? I don’t believe in it.
I wonder where you look for your perfect woman if you have such experiences. And please, don’t think I’m malicious.
And I would forget about the people with physical problems. Do they also have to show lower expectations (= it means to agree for dating with people who have garbage in their heads ???) to find love? And what if, for example, you have burnt skin on your face? Would you be another person inside or the same DJ FourMoney? So the only one thing which left is to shoot oneself because now you won’t find any valuable girl? Maybe it’s better solution then to live next 30 years with "Hollywood Barbie Starf*cker" girl ;-)
Life isn’t only economy (social or financial, it doesn’t matter).
I’m sorry gentlemen I can’t write more. I’ll check what you answered next week. It’s quite late in EE.[/QUOTE]
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[b]ezinho -[/b]
Funny stuff. I was on a flight with an older AW and a younger dude from the islands. I was thinking she cut herself a pretty good deal. It would be excellent if the first test case against those visa restrictions is brought by an AW.
[b]polvo -[/b]
re:hell. I've been meaning to ask if my years here in the USA count as "time served"?
[b]mmbmmb -[/b]
When a guy talks about "my wife" he is expressing ownership. Without going too deep into the atavistic details of it, I can tell you - whatever language, whatever words, are used to express "true love" and "true feelings" at the wedding - the guy is, in large part, feeling like a caveman. "This is my woman. Don't take another step toward her or I will club you over the head. We're going back to the cave now. Thanks for the gifts."
I know that women go through something like this - I remember talking with an ex girlfriend about feelings after having had an excellent experience with her where I felt completely dominant. I think I had taken her doggy style in the kitchen or something like that. Afterward we had a conversation where she was explaining how powerful the experience made her feel - that she felt a vast amount of power in that situation.
This was something I found a little hard to believe - after all I was the guy who ripped off her clothes, I was the guy who made it happen - until I started reading about how the g*ddamn plants have been using me for years. Stupid little plants, using attractive tricks, to accomplish biological ends.
At any rate, you can flavor the arrangements between men and women up however you please, but I think it boils down to some fairly simple stuff.
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Errata
[QUOTE=Mmbmmb]Polvo, What if I’m fat, ugly and bald. Do you still want to get your leg over someone who Greenpeace confuses with a whale? ;-) Be careful what you ask for ;-) [/quote]It's your mind, really!!
[QUOTE=Mmbmmb]So, you claim that women outside US are subservient (because they’re poor, yes?), or rather they have to be if they don’t want to be single. Maybe it’s partly truth. [/quote]
I wrote the word subservient. That was a poor choice of words and a badly formed thought. I have now edited my original. It now reads: "So, as you go up the GDP scale the women have more money (without the aid of the court system yet) so they now have the gold as well! We end up with an problem. The result is that they then have an "elevated" sense of the worth of their goods, that is beyond what the market will now pay. Impasse. This is amply demonstrated in the way they "sell" their wares; a different , complex and completely obnoxious manner to us simple folk (men) who want a straightforward transaction. "
Possibly still ill formed but getting closer....
Polvo
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The Inner Circle
[QUOTE=Jelly Donut][re:hell. I've been meaning to ask if my years here in the USA count as "time served"? [/QUOTE]
I communed with Dante. He told me it is Purgatory. Sorry.
Polvo
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Thanks guys for making me laugh. The Pope just proclaimed limbo to not exist. Perhaps purgatory is next, hahaha.
I would be thrilled to see sex tourists prosecuted by US laws to be the AW's who go to the islands.
Mmbmmb: yes, marriage is in fact a form of prostitution, putting it in a cynical realistic manner. I don't want subservience. I just want honesty. AW aren't content with equality, much less honesty. They want to totally run the show, and in fact do.
Yes, I believe in love.
I'm not anti-kid. I might have them some day. But I won't support or put up with someone else's kid.
Thank you for your input. Your perspective and thoughts add a valuable dimension to the discussion. Please keep writing.
DJ: I've just as much contempt for a guy who has multiple children by several girls. If they can't be responsible (and that includes making sound choices about whom to boink) they should keep their pants on.
Ezinho: Not sure what you mean by "Foreign" guys in the US liking fat women. Am sure many of these Mexican-American guys have been here for three generations. African-Am guys also like them big. I don't know, perhaps there's a parallel to liking huge oversized clothes & cars: a symbol of being significant, an illusion of being important for the have-nots of lower social status.
As for the poor bastards who are slender & handsome with the 300 lb piggies: mommy complex or some other mental disorder, simply desparate, too ignorant of the wealth of foreign opportunities? Take your pick.
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[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]
Maybe its time we quit bashing and start actually doing something about it.
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Personally, I DID do something about it. As many long-time ISG members know, I passed over the local girls where I live (Canada) and searched abroad. Actually found someone and brought her back as my wife.
She's very attractive, 15 years younger, nice body, good personality and very dependable. No way I could have found a woman with all of those qualities here. Are they all like her? No, there's no way..... I definitely got lucky. But that's not the point. The point is, I did as you suggested, I went out there and did something about it.
Rock
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DJ, that stereotypical description of single mums was just plain cruel. :( I, for one, am sick of single mums being painted as somehow more 'sexually irresponsible' than the fathers who had sex, made a baby and (for whatever reason) are no longer involved. Why are the men not deemed irresponsible as well? If anything, women who make mistakes and then rise to the challenge and deal with the consequences (ie have the baby and bring it up themselves) are a whole lot more responsible than those men who knock someone up and then do a runner. If men don't want to become a father, they should [i]insist on using a condom[/i]! Men are not just some hapless bystander in all this.
There's also the fact that MANY single mothers were not single women who had casual sex and ended up pregnant. More often than not, we were married or in long-term relationships and the relationship broke down, leaving us to raise the children alone. (Like in my own case). Making the decision to have a baby within a relationship that you believe will be long-lasting, is not sexually irresponsible behaviour. And for the record, it's hardly fair that when the relationship breaks down, the man gets to go back out into the dating scene and start again as a single man, while his ex-wife becomes 'damaged goods' with too much baggage to attract anything more substantial than the occasional quick shag.
I am also tired of the 'multiple kids by multiple fathers' line being used against us, to make us sound like sl*ts. My own two children are the product of two separate long-term relationships, a number of years apart. Yes, that probably suggests I'm not a terribly good judge of men, but I don't believe it should automatically qualify me as a sl*t, either. My current partner is also a single father, with three children by two different mothers. Funny thing is, nobody ever sees [i]him[/i] as sexually irresponsible. Most feel sorry for him and many actually say they [i]admire[/i] him for bringing up a child by himself. Hmmm...
You have every right to choose not to be become an 'instant father', DJ. It's a difficult situation to deal with (and I know, 'coz I recently became an 'instant mother' to my partner's children!) and if it's not something you want in your life, then I have absolutely no issue with you actively avoiding it. But you shouldn't slag off single mums as being 'damaged goods' and 'social problems' (in capital letters, no less) just because it's not a choice that [i]you[/i] would make. Plenty of couples make it work.
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[QUOTE=Rock Dog]Personally, I DID do something about it. As many long-time ISG members know, I passed over the local girls where I live (Canada) and searched abroad. Actually found someone and brought her back as my wife.
She's very attractive, 15 years younger, nice body, good personality and very dependable. No way I could have found a woman with all of those qualities here. Are they all like her? No, there's no way..... I definitely got lucky. But that's not the point. The point is, I did as you suggested, I went out there and did something about it.
Rock[/QUOTE]
I'm right behind you!
I have since gained a "wingman" so I can prospect and mine the streets, nightclubs, shopping center, etc
The woman I know with children at 34 and 28 respectively both from what's considered Western Europe.
The woman I know form Eastern Europe, specifically Ukraine are childless at 24 and 25 respectively
That would be 11 and 12 years my junior - I didn't think it was possible!
I guess they aren't joking then they said EE women want to settle down at an early age, yet most of the local men don't feel the same way. Well I have no problem making a "wifey" out of somebody that wants to be.
AW at that age only want to settled down so they can find some poor bonehead to help her pay her bills and end the pain of being uses as free sexual provider to single men looking for easy targets.
I am REALLY looking forward to my trip!
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Stereotyping or not, I have met/dated women who were not involved in long term relationships. How could that be when they are only 19??? In one case of a young lady in Colo, she was a mother 3 times before even hitting 22.
How about the girl I knew that was pregnant again 4 weeks after giving birth to child number 1???
I fully agree that men are just as responsible, its a two-way street. I say woman have a larger share in that, because they are the ones that end up with a surprise in 9 months or have to go through the painful process of having an abortion, not men.
That's when women should say NO, we're not fuckin tonight without a condom!
Enough of them DON'T SAY THAT, cause woman are passionate creatures; when the juices are flowing I know its hard to say NO all of a sudden because there's no condom to be found. But that also goes to the typical American attitude that nothing is taken seriously until its too late.
I wasn't saying all single mothers are damaged goods, I said those with multiple children from multiple fathers are damaged goods.
C'mon Nursery, it takes a special man to take on a woman with 5-6 kids... I know 2 woman in such a situation, from long term failed relationships. They get a pass, but more than 2 kids is asking too much, at least from me.
I have been responsible from day one, I am childless because I have held up my end of the bargain by not letting my little head do the thinking for the big one.
I really don't have a problem with single mothers...
[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]DJ, that stereotypical description of single mums was just plain cruel. :( I, for one, am sick of single mums being painted as somehow more 'sexually irresponsible' than the fathers who had sex, made a baby and (for whatever reason) are no longer involved. Why are the men not deemed irresponsible as well? If anything, women who make mistakes and then rise to the challenge and deal with the consequences (ie have the baby and bring it up themselves) are a whole lot more responsible than those men who knock someone up and then do a runner. If men don't want to become a father, they should [i]insist on using a condom[/i]! Men are not just some hapless bystander in all this.
There's also the fact that MANY single mothers were not single women who had casual sex and ended up pregnant. More often than not, we were married or in long-term relationships and the relationship broke down, leaving us to raise the children alone. (Like in my own case). Making the decision to have a baby within a relationship that you believe will be long-lasting, is not sexually irresponsible behaviour. And for the record, it's hardly fair that when the relationship breaks down, the man gets to go back out into the dating scene and start again as a single man, while his ex-wife becomes 'damaged goods' with too much baggage to attract anything more substantial than the occasional quick shag.
I am also tired of the 'multiple kids by multiple fathers' line being used against us, to make us sound like sl*ts. My own two children are the product of two separate long-term relationships, a number of years apart. Yes, that probably suggests I'm not a terribly good judge of men, but I don't believe it should automatically qualify me as a sl*t, either. My current partner is also a single father, with three children by two different mothers. Funny thing is, nobody ever sees [i]him[/i] as sexually irresponsible. Most feel sorry for him and many actually say they [i]admire[/i] him for bringing up a child by himself. Hmmm...
You have every right to choose not to be become an 'instant father', DJ. It's a difficult situation to deal with (and I know, 'coz I recently became an 'instant mother' to my partner's children!) and if it's not something you want in your life, then I have absolutely no issue with you actively avoiding it. But you shouldn't slag off single mums as being 'damaged goods' and 'social problems' (in capital letters, no less) just because it's not a choice that [i]you[/i] would make. Plenty of couples make it work.[/QUOTE]
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Dj FourMoney,
Ok, irresponsible people who produce children without any sign of thinking are social problem and everyone agrees that it doesn’t matter if it’s a woman or a man. But as Rubber Nursey wrote, people have different situations in life and what you write about isn’t a problem of children but irresponsibility and immaturity. You only gave the "examples" of people who have children. I guess that’s why I misunderstood you. I’m glad that you don't have a problem with single mothers:.) And about being "instant father". As I wrote before life is ironical and someone else’s child can love you more then its biological father. It’s not the sperm and DNA what makes you the real parent. It is important if it’s about genetic diseases etc but it can’t replace the safety, trust, care or simply love which you give the child. And no, it’s not horrible if you want you and your wife to be the first time parents. Being "instant father", quoting RN, "it's a difficult situation to deal with". I understand it, but on the other hand, tell me what kind of love between two people is simple? :.)
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney] By Traditional I mean. A woman wants to be successful at home and at work. [/QUOTE]And what does it men "successful"? You know, people can understand a success in different ways. So I ask you for a few more details.
And one more thing, you wrote that you’re "6'0, Brown Hair (shaved head), Brown Eyes, 190lbs, Slim, Single Black Male" and Ukrainian girls say you’re handsome. Hmmm, DJ FourMoney you look like Tyrese:.) so please don’t write that your chances of being successful are like 1 in 5 million;.)
Jelly Donut,
When I read about you experiences I see that Polvo isn’t the only one lion on this forum;.) But seriously, I didn’t read "The Botany of Desire" but it’s interesting what place in his theory Mr. Pollan intended for men and what’s their biological destiny. Will you tell me?
[QUOTE=Jelly Donut]I started reading about how the g*ddamn plants have been using me for years. Stupid little plants, using attractive tricks, to accomplish biological ends[/QUOTE]When in my first post I wrote the theory about people and plants I didn’t think that you would take it so seriously;.)
You see, even if I like this theory I think that we’re something more then animals and plants. In XVII century Rene Descartes described animals as machines (only very complicated) and he claimed that only people have soul because the features of soul are thinking or awareness. Later, scientists, as features which distinguish people and animals, added: abstract thinking, ability of using languages and self-knowledge. Some of them claim also that it’s a society (other people) what gives peculiar character of human nature.
Of course you can say that researches on apes, dolphins etc show us another facts, which weren’t accessible for Descartes, but I guess we still know too little about their behavior and mind. Especially if we want to compare them to human beings. And I write about it all because I want to draw your attention to the features of "soul". I want to say that people can have "higher feelings" ( inaccessible for animals and plants) what lets them to sacrifice themselves, to suffer, to love, to cry, to feel compassion etc I realize that "atavistic details" also play a role in human behavior but for me it isn’t the most important role.
I understand that your ex-girlfriend (s? ) wanted to get pregnant with you (biological ends, yes? ) and to keep you as "a provider of food":.). That’s why she claimed she had the power. She simply wanted you to feel as a real man and to stay with her as "a good provider". Sorry that it’s so long but I don’t know if I understand you. Write if I miss something.
It’s an interesting theory but, Jelly Donut, maybe she just didn’t know how to tell you that the sex was great and that she wants to repeat it;.) So she told you "how powerful the experience made her feel". Maybe you just made her day;.) and she meant" Sweetheart, you gave me power (energy? ;.)) for the rest of the week". But ok, I don’t want you to think that I am, how they call it in my country, a malicious bonus to a pussy. Forgive me my language again.
So let’s think over the "the arrangements between men and women" which, for you, "boil down to some fairly simple stuff".
Jelly Donut, the abstract thinking lets us to predict what can happen in the future. If your relationship bases only on sex you haven’t to be genius to know that in a few weeks the ideal women will stop to be so ideal. We don’t live in the Stone Age. We need "true love" and "true feelings" if we don’t want to change a cave too fast. But maybe I missed something again. Remember that English isn’t my native language:.)
I promise that writing the next part of my golden thoughts;.) I’ll comment this nonsense "yes, marriage is in fact a form of prostitution, putting it in a cynical realistic manner" (I’m sure that Rock Dog doesn’t feel like a prostitute, am I right? ;.)) and other things. Yogin, I can’t believe you wrote it.
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If I looked like Tyrese I wouldn't have to deal with the shenanigans I have to put up with. I do have a "fair amount" of sucess, when I desire to look for it. However my desire to look wanes. Only women well on the otherside of 30 are interested in me, you know "Empty Nest" syndrome.
Empty Nest meaning, their kids are gone, now its about ME. Me includes banging younger men (when available) because men my own age (meaning her) can't handle me sexually (without some assistance from "The Blue Pill", "The Weekender" or "The Purple Pill"). Some guys are happy to waste sprem into a "bottomless pit" (reproductive organs have been removed) and figure that hey "pussy is pussy". I have never felt that way, sex has value to me, I don't wanna just bang for the sake of doing so.
In some respects I hate being 36, because it puts me into that no man's land of reproduction. In America, women over 32 aren't terribly "thrilled" about having kids, especially if they have one or two already.
Where the F' does that leave me?
Women under 30 barely want anything to do with me because I have no "added value" or so they think. I live at home, my mother is present at home, so that makes me a "loser". While my friend gets a "pass" for staying at home because that's not UNSUAL in Asian familes. My Latino friends get the same "Get Out Of Jail Free" card as well.
Where the F' does that leave me?
In the US, the BOTTOM 70%!
BBW's, Single Mothers with 2 or more children (and not willing to have more), Those missing bodyparts, that can't walk, can't hear, can't see (Helen Keller???) - You get the idea...
That has me going overseas because -
A) I prefer Causasian Women
B) None of the Single Mothers I have talked too, past or present have not ruled out having another child, even if they have 2-3 already
C) Most EE girls under 28 are single and childless and don't mind the 11-12 year age difference
D) All the woman I know over there are under 150lbs...
I cannot find those woman in California, in Neveda, Washington or Arizona. That rules out any local talent. Looking further out is OUT OF THE QUESTION.
90% don't want to relocate, especially if they have children because the father has vistiation rights. So I should seek out those with absent fathers then??
I don't wanna move to any other of the lower 48 because they don't interest me in the least bit. And for sure not to "seek" a love interest, that's insane.
For one thing black men are stereotyped and pigoned holed.
If your not Thugged Out, Can't Dance or Don't Listen to Black Music your Blackness is called into question. Lucky for me, my Screen name gives you an idea into what I enjoy doing with music so that's never called into question. I can dance, but those under 28 generally want "Tyrese", "2Pac or "The Game" look-a-likes because they are "thugged" out. I will never be a Thug, nor do I wanna be and nor do I wanna continue to wait for American women to be BURNED by those type of men, left holding the baby, hit their early 30's and figure out its NOW okay to seek that "nice guy".
I will not lower my standards, which would mean "settling" I rather remain single, but that's foolish when I can go where I am wanted by the kind of woman I want.
In terms of being sucessful, for me its simple.
When I talk about relationships, money is never a factor nor a measure of sucesss. We will be fine finanically, it doesn't worry me.
A woman that wants just as much sucess in her home life as she does in her job, if she chooses to have dual careers. Being a homemaker is a full time job, responsiblies should be SHARED. I want it to run smoothly like a well-oiled machine.
Communication is KEY to making that happen.
I don't minse words, why should I? This is a REAL TALK forum, so I choose to keep it REAL.
Oh one other thing -
When I said 1 in 5 Million I meant in the US and its true and I didn't apply it myself, because my "market" is somewhat "limited", I have narrowed it down on purpose, because that's what I want. So my chances in the US are even higher, like 1 in 10 Million.
Go back a few pages and look at my post from last year, I've had strangers argue with me about living at home, when they DID SO THEMSELVES and that's what men have to deal with in America, why would I lie about something like that????
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Botany of Desire
"Botany of Desire". Let's see. The idea is that, say, if you were a gardener you would think that the choices you made about which plants to grow, care for and harvest are entirely yours. Human beings are the subjects working the plants, which are passive objects.
Pollan flips that around. He points to bumblebees. If you could ask a bumblebee, who makes things happen in the world?, the bumblebee would probably tell you he is the subject and flowers are the object. But from a human perspective, it's not so clear that the flower is the object. You could say the flower is just manipulating the bee in order to move pollen around. The relationship is not a dominant subject to a passive object. It's a coevolutionary relationship where different things are being traded and different interests are being advanced - both for the bee and the flower. The flower has power.
Pollan goes on to describe various relationships between humans and some plants - the apple., the tulip, marijuana, and the potato. The decisions a gardener makes may not be entirely his own. For me it's interesting, I like applying it as one metaphor for relationships between men and women.
On this board, and certainly in Yogin's discussion group, a lot of people have pointed to men as dominant subjects and women as passive objects; that the history of men and women is a history of oppressive dominant subjects over passive objects. That's good as far as it goes. It's the perspective of economists, Marxist historians and, I think, most men ride that assumption as well. Guys like to think of themselves as the dominant subject. But I think taking a biological view of things makes the conversation more interesting.
Anyway, it's a good read. I can't really do it justice. Just PM your address and I'll have Polvo drop off my copy.
"If your relationship bases only on sex you haven’t to be genius to know that in a few weeks the ideal women will stop to be so ideal". Excellent. My relationships based on sex these days generally don't last that long at all and, consequently, I can walk through the world thinking it is filled with ideal women.
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[QUOTE=Jelly Donut]"If your relationship bases only on sex you haven’t to be genius to know that in a few weeks the ideal women will stop to be so ideal". Excellent. My relationships based on sex these days generally don't last that long at all and, consequently, I can walk through the world thinking it is filled with ideal women.[/QUOTE]It’s only a pity that your thinking about world filled with ideal women is an illusion. But it doesn’t change the fact that I admire your optimism ;-)
Ok, now “Botany of Desire” is more clear for me but I don’t think we can say here that “the flower has power”. Rather it’s as powerful as bumblebee. You give something to a woman and she gives something to you. You both need each other and you both have benefits. This rule (giving/getting) you can apply to other relationships eg mother-child, employee-employer etc. So such words as manipulation or “g*ddamn plants have been using me for years. Stupid little plants, using attractive tricks, to accomplish biological ends” aren’t proper.
And if it’s about the history of relationships between men and women. It’s really complicated and describing “men as dominant subjects and women as passive objects” you talk only about a part of this history. But it’s a subject for another thread.
“Guys like to think of themselves as the dominant subject”.
And I like to believe that sweets don’t fatten and the others that Elvis is still alive but life rectifies our beliefs. It’s nothing new. I think that some things seem obvious and you haven’t to read “wise books” to know them. JD, sorry if sometimes
I’m “brutal”. It doesn’t mean that I want to be malicious.
DJ FourMoney, I’m sorry but I have to answer you later. I’m going to a party tonight and I have no time to write more.
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Dj
Man, reading your postings like reading the writings of a twin. Same height, same weight, same tribe, same crap to deal with in California.
On thugs: my roomate is the 210lb Justin Timberlake from Oakland. East Oakland, straight thugged out. He gets so many girls who want to "tame" him or whatever. I just sit back and laugh to myself. These girls are falling in love, calling him on the phone while another girl is on his lap. It makes me laugh, because you KNOW in 5 years the girls are going to be jaded and bitter and talking about jerks.
I don't hate, though. I just enjoy the show.
INteresting thing of note. I made a Myspace account and tried to meet some girls in my area. Only 2 expressed any interest, and they never write more than 4 words total. I tried contacting girls from Poland, I get 15 girls who are interested and love to chat back and forth.
Hmmm...
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RN,
You're 100% right about the condom thing. Even if it wasn't to prevent unwanted pregnancies, Hep C and HIV alone are good enough reasons to ALWAYS wear one...... and not just for the first 4 or 5 weeks either.
Furiouz,
Your "thug friend" may be getting the play right now.... but wait til he gets a bit older. In my experience, older thugz tend to be lonely thugz..... unless they're willing to settle for some nasty lookin ho's.
DJ,
The grass IS greener on the other side of the fence.... but that isn't saying much when you consider how much it sucks here. I've said it a zillion times before but it's wort repeating. Women are still women no matter where they're from. Sometimes settling isn't such a bad option.
Rock sez, if you gotta get married, marry one you can get along with. She doesn't have to be a hottie..... and even if she IS, looks don't last forever. If you NEED that physical attraction, there's always ways to get a little on the side. Know what I mean?
Rock
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Furiouz -
I feel you mayne, just hang in there, get your butt to Europe and you won't be sorry.
Haven't talked to any Polish girls yet, but my boy in NY has a Polish girlfriend, she's only been here for about a year and when all her friends went back to Poland, she stayed to be with HIM.
She likes cars, he's a car guy. She's sweet, she 100% supportive. She has DD boobs, he's a boob man.
He wanted a stunner, that she is.
Perfection? Close enough if you ask me...
In Germany you'll have to go around with a sign that says "Not In the Military" as the women are very JADED by our Uniformed men. Understandable , but you can still have success, trust me.
I might have to try the My Space to Poland route... I got some Ukrainian women on the docket, so that might not be necessary.
Rock Dog -
Looks are not everything, the only thing? (I kid!) I don't need a "stunner", a high "7" is good enough. If I can get an "8" that's just extra mustard. The Momma I know in Germany is around 115lbs and 5'4 tall (a solid 7), we get along great, she believes in a brother, that's all great. I would be happy if this is what I ended up with trust me.
I just feel, that I might be [i]slightly[/i] happier with somebody a bit younger and starting off fresh as a family. Not to mention a step or too above the "Girl Next Door" type, which the Momma is. Also Momma is a bit submissive and I want a girl that is a bit more independent.
That's splitting hairs, but you know this is my life we're talking about and I want to be 100% happy with my choice, not 90%, that isn't good enough.
That nagging feeling shouldn't be there.... Its kinda like my car, I love it, Im happy about it, its much faster than it was. I'm not doing back flips, but I'm over the moon happy otherwise, I just keep it internal. That's what I believe will happen when everything comes together. Inside I'll be like "Flipper" the dolphin, on the outside I'll be calm, cool and collected.
I think the word is CONTENT
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[QUOTE=Yogin]Mmbmmb: yes, marriage is in fact a form of prostitution, putting it in a cynical realistic manner.[/QUOTE]And what is it prostitution Yogin? It seems quite simple question, doesn’t it?
I can help you and I give you a definition from a dictionary: “the act or practice of engaging in promiscuous sexual relations especially for money”.
We all know that a prostitute (a man or a woman) gets different benefits for his/her services. It can be money but also others goods like expensive perfume, clothes, food etc. When he/she lets you to make love with him/her and gives you what you call “GFE” he/she makes it for money (benefits). Here I’d like to ask: why do you want GFE?
Are you looking for love, warmth, tenderness?
This is the difference between marriage and prostitution. In marriage, at least in theory, you get it for free because your wife/husband has “true feelings” for you, and ONLY for you. A prostitute can like you, be nice and plays your boyfriend / girlfriend but for the next client he/she behaves in the same way. You’re just a client. For some people it’s enough. If someone is satisfied with a substitute of love it’s all right for me. How they say it “Live and let to live”. But I don’t understand why after people complain for the all world and its women/men.
To say it in the brutal and simple way, a prostitute won’t give you her/his kidney if you need it for transplant. Someone who loves you will do this for free, because he/she cares about you. You haven’t to buy it.
You wrote that you believe in love. One more time gentlemen, what is love?
You write about it but no-one of you tried to describe it.
In Poland we have a phrase ”paper marriage”. It’s when people’s marriage exists only on paper. There’s no love between them. They are with each other because they have children, no money for divorce, they got used to each other etc. But for me, people have an inclination to mix of words’ meaning. I wouldn’t call it marriage
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I know at least one pro that would give me her kidney. [i] ~ the jelly donut suggests helpfully [/i]
Naturally, I don't think she would be wildly happy about the deal, it's not the sort of activity most people relish. Of course, I could be wrong. You do find out who your friends are in situations like that, but I have a feeling I'd be running the same odds with a lot of people, regardless of the background relationship.
Otherwise, to repeat the mantra, there are many costs in maintaining a relationship. Keeping a girlfriend and having a good relationship requires a lot of time and respectable percentage of your money. Having a good relationship involves dedicating hours and commiting resources - if I spend my Sunday morning listening to your thoughts on, say, cats that's a Sunday morning I invested in our relationship. I could have been doing something I would rather be doing. These costs are higher when you deal with American girls. The American girl expects her soul mate to [i]really[/i] want to listen her thoughts on cats, so you need brainwash yourself, which requires some additional time and effort.
The costs explode when you get married and have a family. When I look at those costs, for me, it's just not worth it when I compare them against the benefits.
[QUOTE=Mmbmmb]
To say it in the brutal and simple way, a prostitute won’t give you her/his kidney if you need it for transplant. Someone who loves you will do this for free, because he/she cares about you. You haven’t to buy it.
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It's long but to all of you gentlemen
gentlemen,
i promised to write an answer for dj but so many things appeared that i’ll try to answer to all of you, especially to jd.
i admit that i didn’t took into consideration one thing. in my naïveté i assumed that some things/ideas are universal and obvious but it isn’t truth to the end.
maybe because i’m a woman and because i’m not a prostitute ( + i’ve never paid someone for sex) i have so different view of reality then you have.
here i guess i have to say some things about myself. just some general information which would make my thoughts more clear then they are, i hope. it’s hard to understand my real thoughts without them. and i’m glad that you devote your precious time to my writing. i also decided to devote a part of my sunday afternoon to you. so it’s a proof that it’s worth to invest in “our relationship” ;-)
so, i have luck or bad luck to live in poland. a country where people went through so many changes in society during 25 last year that it completely changed all their lives. i was born when communism/socialism (you can call it how you want) was falling down. but i could still experience its aspects. as a child i wasn’t getting accustomed to the luxurious brands, cartoon network or mcdonalds. i remember how happy i was when i got grapefruits or a jar of chocolate as a present for the child’s day. now try to give a polish child chocolates for birthday and she/he will tell you “i’m not hungry” and after she/he will ask you where’s his/her new nokia. anyway a lot of things changed and now people, if they only have money, can buy everything. my acquaintances are rather from middle class. they aren’t millionaires but i keep hearing that someone will go on holidays to italy or egypt. they are people whose parents paid for private lessons of foreign languages, music or horse riding. i know only one girl who worked as “a prostitute” (she wasn’t selling herself physically but through an internet camera. i’m sure you know what i mean. i just don’t know how to name it in english). anyway i like her very much. for me she’s nice and she has a great sense of humor. she hadn’t to work this way (her parents are wealthy people. i guess they don’t know about anything) but the money was so good that she couldn’t resist. if a am send her 1000$ because she’s a poor girl from romania ;-) i don’t wonder anymore why she chose this work. 1000 $ is a good salary in poland and she wasn’t faithful to only one guy.
even if i like her i couldn’t do the same job. it’s not about “what will the people say” attitude. it’s about respect for myself. my family and friends taught me that if i don’t respect myself nobody else will do this too. i was taught respect for my body and my mind. i treat it as an unity. i couldn’t split it as my friend did it. in the morning she loves her boyfriend and at evenings she loves the guys on chat.
and i write about her because even if you’re relatively wealthy “keeping up with the joneses” is a global attitude now.
here i’ll admit to one more thing. some friends of mine thinks that i’m simply stupid. well maybe i am ;-). i guess they would say that the fact i decided to discuss with you is the best proof of it but i always answer: “ people learn all their life so there’s still hope for me.” ;-) of course i don’t add the second part of this saying “but they die as stupid as they were” ;-)
anyway they think i’m stupid because i didn’t find a nice am and i didn’t stay in “the hamburger land”. or maybe i found but i didn’t stay. and it was a height of stupidity. when i answer them that i don’t want his money or the green card they simply can’t believe. i can’t understand why the green card is such a wonderful good. i understand if people are poor and economy of their country is in tragic condition. but gentlemen, we talk about poland 2007 not about poland 1980. my friends aren’t poor mexican villagers, with all respect for these people. their situations are different but they live in conditions which people from poorer countries dream about. believe me, internet, dishwashers or cable tv aren’t luxuries goods anymore, at least not in big cities where people earn the better money. instead of being happy (complaining is unluckily our national sport) they all the time grumble that poland is horrible. i tell them that i don’t want to wake up, being 35, with a man who i don’t know at all or what worse i don’t love. i can’t imagine sleeping with a man who i don’t even understand and to work as eg waitress in fast food. and it’s all for the stay in the usa. is this the happiness they talk about? hmm, i don’t think they need their studies for it, just a moron who will be so naïve and who will take them to the land of their dreams. maybe i have no ambition but life is so short and i don’t dream about a big house with suv but about someone who would love me, even if i’m 80 and i don’t look like at the first date ;-)
my family taught me that the material goods are nice but they aren’t necessary to be happy. if there’s a war you can lose your beautiful house but my memories from the stay in us, where i’ve met a master of kissing ;-), nobody can take from me. i don’t know if the example is good but as i wrote in the others post things can’t make you happy, only the other people who love you.
jelly donut i didn’t want to write that a prostitute can’t love. and i didn’t want to write about prostitutes like about creatures without heart. i just don’t want to judge this profession. for sure the rule “live and let to live” is very good. everyone makes choices in his/her life. if being a prostitute is a bad choice he/she will pay somehow for it in the future. i think it’s sufficient “punishment” if i can name it in this way. and because i have impression that you are interested in bible i have another sentence for you: “he who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her.” if you know who told this and where, there’s a reward-surprise ;-)
and yes, you’re right. it can be your brother, mother, father or friends who can help you but it can also be your wife. it’s more about feelings, not the kind of relationship. i just wanted to write yogin that marriage isn’t a form of prostitution. if some people make it in this way it doesn’t mean that in theory it is prostitution. first of all it should be a sign of love between two people.
i don’t know what kind of wives aw are. i just want to believe that girls you describes aren’t the majority. i mean that they are still people(men and women) who also give something, not only they take. you can have attitude of b.jones. i mean “i want to meet the right guy who is gonna love me for who i am”. the film was funny but it’s only a film and in real life we have to reach a compromise and to work on ourselves. these things are obvious for me.
i also guess that i misunderstood your post about “the botany of desire” but it’s not important anymore. anyway it was more about feeling as a real men (here and now), not generally about the history of men’s domination and marxist historians, yes? ;-)
and if we talk about marriage. rock dog, for sure as a loving husband you will sponsor your wife a hotel room and a nice male stripper ;-) as you wrote “looks don't last forever. if you need that physical attraction, there's always ways to get a little on the side. know what i mean?”. i understand that if your wife need more physical attraction, then you give her, it’s nothing wrong that she “gets a little on the side”.
and if it’s something wrong how can you complain for aw( or rather canadian in your case)? you see, first we have to demand something of ourselves and after to demand of the others.
dj fourmoney, at last i can answer you :-)
i don’t think you lie. i believe that nobody wants to pay you for your writing too ;-)
i only have impression that you look for an ideal princess even if you really don’t know who she is. on the one hand submissive, on the other hand independent? it’s hard to join fire and water ;-) you wrote that “that's splitting hairs, but you know this is my life we're talking about and i want to be 100% happy with my choice, not 90%, that isn't good enough.” it remains me a little when women are waiting for an ideal man but you want a princess imprisoned in a tower who’s waiting for her prince to give him true love. but remember that even if she exists probably an ogre and donkey already released her ;-)
[quote=dj fourmoney]a woman that wants just as much sucess in her home life as she does in her job, if she chooses to have dual careers. being a homemaker is a full time job, responsiblies should be shared. i want it to run smoothly like a well-oiled machine. communication is key to making that happen.[/quote]i agree that communication is the key but, even with it, woman’s life isn’t simple. (on the other hand who has simple life :-)?) it’s hard to be the best mother, wife, employee 24/7. you always has to sacrifice something to get something else. i think your employer won’t care that nobody can stay with the children (grandma is far away) and you can’t come regularly to work. who will stay with your 6 months old child then?
a nanny? she can but soon your child will start to call her mommy because the real mom is at work. and maternity leave lasts only 3 m-ths. will you resign of your own job and you will replace your wife? but how will you feed the baby if it still needs the breasts? :-) you see, it’s not so simple and you’ll need a lot of oil.
but if something is hard it doesn’t mean that it’s impossible :-) here living with grandma who can help is a big plus ;-)
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Your ability to meet an American woman is tied to the size of your income and bank account. AWs have become such an afterthought after living overseas for so long, on another note, since I made my post about the petrodollar, it has continued to fall, so much that in Europe an American official was questioned by the press as to what the hell is happening. Ask Fan Gang from China about what he thinks about the US Dollar.
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MMB:
My gf (now fiancée) does the webcam sex thing for a living. She doesn't consider herself a prostitute, although she DEFINITELY is a sex worker.
And she doesn't 'love' the guys on chat, any more than porn actresses 'love' the guys with whom they are doing a scene!! She is selling a fantasy more than any reality just like any sex worker.
And we both 'get a little on the side' every now and again. :P
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Mmbmmb
I don't want the princess in a tower, waiting for somebody to rescue them (that's "Capt Save A Hoe" in the ghetto).
If she wants to stay home, that's fine. I'm NOT expecting a 21st Century version of "Donna Reed".
My ex was pretty much ideal personality wise, its the other stuff that lead me to continue my search. No matter how frivolous some might believe the value I put on "other stuff", that's what I look for. I'm not in search of perfection, that is not reality.
I am looking for a nice balance however.
I'm not sure why we would need nannies and all that. Honestly if things go the way I think they'll go we won't have to work for anybody, we can build our own businesses and work when WE want too. I already wanted to spend extended time at home once the kids got around school age. I believe they need their mother more early on and their father around more in their formative years.
Even if it doesn't work out like that, I much prefer somebody that is willing to do what's needed, rather than AW thinking that "YOU" should do what's needed, I'll continue to do what I am doing.
Dating in the US is just too much trouble. The only interested party here is a 41 year old woman with grown children. You might find that hard to believe, but more often than not, that's who usually contacts me.
I shouldn't have to buy a new condo, a BMW and a metrosexually styled wardrobe just to have access to single American woman around 25-32 years old.
But that's what they would have you believe and like I said investing time and money inside the US but outside of California is suicide. You'll basically end up with the same problems but a much smaller pool to access form.
I have spent alot of time around the US; in cities and towns, large and small. I see the same problems only WORST in those areas because you're not left with alot of options if you live in Ark for example, work at Walmart and drive a Geo Metro.
The upper 30% in town are not going to come any where near you!
C'mon I drove a truck for awhile, that's totally unpopular with any woman I consider attractive here. But over "there" THEY DON'T CARE. The Norwegian girl even suggested as much as her brother-in-law drives a truck in Norway.
I am not saying you can find or not run into unscrupulous women. I can only say if you fall into something blindly then you deserve whatever happens to you.
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Another long post
Gentlemen,
I’m sorry I couldn’t answer you earlier. Well, last time I wanted to write something more but as usually I had no time But maybe firstly I’ll answer to your posts.
Bango Cheito,
Maybe the word "love" wasn’t proper. I didn’t mean that she cares of her clients as of her boyfriend but on the other hand this work leaves some "scars" on her psyche. Writing "scars" I want to say that my friend has problems to cut off her job from personal life. She doesn’t like some clients, or rather she thinks that they are naïve idiots who she can "milk" for the money. But there are also clients she likes. They are nice and intelligent. When she sometimes told me about them I had impression that she cares of them in some way. She feels pity for them that they have problems with wives, at work etc. The job she had is very specific. You wrote "She is selling a fantasy more than any reality just like any sex worker". It’s truth but this sort of fantasy is peculiar because the clients try to buy the real feelings. She told me that some of them fell in love with the girls. They even want to take them to US. But unfortunately there’s always an uncle or grandma who’s dying; .) and they can’t come to America. This situation is, for me, a hunting for people’s hope. Even if these people are naïve idiots it doesn’t change the fact that you know what kind of bullshit you "sell" them. It leaves also "scars" on their psyche. You wrote about porn actresses. I think it’s a very hard job, especially for a woman. Even if some people are convinced that all you have to do is making love, or rather f*cking because "love" also isn’t a proper word here. I don’t know what kind of robot you would have to be, to not feel anything when 3 guys f*ck you, asking all the time "do you like it be**ch? " For some reasons they decided to take this job. I don’t know why. For sure something forced them to it but as I wrote everyone has his/her own life and we have to pay for all decisions we made. And the price we pay is sufficient "punishment" for all bad decisions.
It’s great if you feel ok with your fiancée’s style of life. I can only wish you luck. I hope you’ll be happy. I only don’t understand why gentlemen write so many unpleasant things about AW. It’s all right when your girlfriend uses other men but when AW do it it’s bad? It’s obvious, gentlemen, that you like to "get a little on the side". But why it’s so horrible when AW is unfaithful? Why are you complaining if you accept such behavior in other women and in yourselves?
BTW, you’re the second guy I know who accept such job of his girlfriend. Now I more understand what Jelly Donut wrote about "ownership". Most EE men would say "What? ! My woman works at webcam sex? ! I’ll simply kill her! "
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]Honestly if things go the way I think they'll go we won't have to work for anybody, we can build our own businesses and work when WE want too. [/QUOTE]DJ FourMoney,
So you have luck because a lot of people need nanny. They work for banks, stores, police, night clubs and so on. They can’t stay at home. When the family doesn’t want to help, or they can’t, someone has to take care of your child. Will you leave it alone at home? I agree that child needs a mother very much during the first 3 years of its life but after these 3 years, when you stay at home, you’re less and less valuable worker. That’s why having a child is very serious decision for me. Child isn’t a toy you can have because you feel that your biological clock is "in the state of alarm". I’d like to give my child everything what I got from my parents. To teach him/her how beautiful life can be, to show my child everything what’s wonderful in life, from the renaissance art to the taste of French crepe Suzette or Ukrainian borsch:.) Did you know that when a child is listening to the music of Mozart, even as a fetus (it can hear when it’s 16 weeks), its brain is stimulated and music therapy is used to fight against such diseases as epilepsy or autism? But to know it you need a lot of time and willingness to work with your child. How many people come back so tired from work that all they dream about is an evening in front of TV? Life isn’t ideal. You ‘re definitely a lucky man if you can afford to let your wife for being "a mom at home".
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]I shouldn't have to buy a new condo, a BMW and a metrosexually styled wardrobe just to have access to single American woman around 25-32 years old.
But that's what they would have you believe and like I said investing time and money inside the US but outside of California is suicide. You'll basically end up with the same problems but a much smaller pool to access form. [/QUOTE]Why California is an exception?
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]see'mon I drove a truck for awhile, that's totally unpopular with any woman I consider attractive here. But over "there" THEY DON'T CARE. The Norwegian girl even suggested as much as her brother-in-law drives a truck in Norway[/QUOTE]I guess people admire cars so much in US because they are more necessary then in Europe. In USA you haven’t good public transport. I don’t have a car. I don’t even need one. Everywhere I want to go I can use buses, trams, taxi, trains or planes. Car is a car. I mean if it lets you to go to a store or a post office it’s a good car. The smaller and the less fuel it uses the better. I couldn’t also understand the love for the SUV but it’s maybe because in my country fuel costs 5, 67$ for gallon. (4, 1-4, 2 zlotych for 1 liter; 1$=2, 76 zl and 1 US gallon= 3, 7854l). Anyway I wrote already an example where I made a difference between Ford and Audi. You wrote truck, you mean this?
[url]http: //trucks. About.com/cs/dodgetruckphotos/l/bl_05dakota_04. Htm[/url]
Of course it’s not popular:.) It’s good for someone as you, if you’re 6’0. I’m only 5’26. Can you imagine me trying to get into this car? Especially if I wear a nice, tight skirt. Now you have an answer why it’s not popular;.)
Ok gentlemen. I have to admit to one more thing. A I wrote I found your forum by accident. And when I saw a thread about AW I was really interesting what you write. It’s a little about men ‘s point of view but I was really surprised that you’re so unsatisfied with AW. To tell the truth my EE male friends didn’t complain so much or they complained for all women of the world;.) But what’s more important for me, someone I care about was/is? Convinced that EE women are better. It was only an accident that I was born in Poland. It only gives you information that English isn’t my native language but it can’t say if I have garbage in my head or not.
Lately I found also another thread at this forum: "Marrying Foreign Women". Rock Dog wrote there a post:
"Let's make up a little "Service Comparison".
Local women.... mostly (50 - 75%) fat and/or out of shape.
Foreign women..... very few (5 - 10%) fat or out of shape.
Local women...... poisoned by feminist ideology.
Foreign women..... what's a feminist?
Local women...... view men as adversaries, at best.. someone to be exploited.
Foreign women...... View men as caregivers and therefore someone to be supported and respected.
Local women.... 60% chance of getting a divorce.
Foreign women.... Don't know for sure, but it's got to be less than that.
Local women...... want to marry one that's 10 yrs younger? Mission Impossible
Foreign women..... 5, 10, 15 yrs younger?..... not a problem!
Local women..... have expectations bordering on fantasy, when they look between their legs they see a million dollar asset.
Foreign women... tend to be far more practical and realistic in their expectations. For them, owning a vagina is no big deal, because they know every other girl has one too.”
I won’t comment the part about shape. You can find fat people all over the world. And I know what the feminism is. You perceive it as an ideology who changed women from ideal angels into creatures without hearts. It’s not truth. Feminism let women to be independent and equal individuals in the positive way. The behavior you describe (greed, lack of respect for other people etc) has noting to do with feminism. It’s about someone’s character, so don’t blame feminism.
I don’t think that AW view you, gentlemen, as someone they can exploit. If some of them view you this way I think they would also look in the same way at e. G. EE men and EE women. You simply had a bad luck to meet such people who see only your money. And if someone gives you love it’s normal that you treat this person with respect. It doesn’t mean if he/she from Europe, US or Australia.
Especially for you I found some data from 2004. It was a very important year because it had the biggest amount of divorce in all history of Poland. Sic! In all history. So maybe you’ll find it interesting.
In 2004 there was +- 56 000 of divorces. It’s 293, 2 for every1000 of new marriages and 14, 7 for 10 000 of people (Poland has 38mln of people). The reasons: 32% incompatibility of spouses’ character, 24% unfaithfulness, 9% reprehensible attitude toward the members of family, 9% financial problems, 3% others. In 75% of cases it was a woman who asked for divorce. 70% of divorces is without verdict about someone’s fault. I’m interested from where you took this 60%. Did you find any data or you aren’t sure again?
Yes, you’re right. 15 years of difference isn’t a big problem, at least for me. Do you want to know why? Because I don’t look at these 15 years but at a man. I don’t know where’s the problem. That he will die first, yes? :.) I don’t remember that someone gave me a guarantee that it would happen. And what if I die in a car accident and he will be healthy to the old age? What if I get a message that I have a leukemia, being 35, and he won’t even get a cough? We don’t know gentlemen what’s waiting for us. I don’t like to make plans for the next 20 years of my life because I can’t be sure anything. Besides if I had leukemia and I knew that I have only 1 year of life I would like to enjoy it even more. I wouldn’t care if the beloved person is 20 or 40.
And no, I don’t see a million $ between my legs. I guess I would be a polish national treasure if I had it there;.) And because I had biology at school I know also that other girls have vagina (not only in my country). But gentlemen, I promise that if I’m so famous as J. Lo I’ll insure my precious butt for 1 million $. Then Rock Dog will be able to say that even Polish girls see between their legs a million dollar asset.
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[QUOTE=Mmbmmb]
I only don’t understand why gentlemen write so many unpleasant things about AW.[/QUOTE]
For what it's worth, I know there are a lot of women here in the USA that are outstanding, if I were thinking about living in the United States and having a family here I would almost certainly marry an American woman. That's just me - my opinion based on my experiences.
Also, from my experience, money is a relatively less important factor to American women than it is for women where the per capita GNP is lower. American women are more removed from thinking about money - many worry more about finding something deeper, something more about the contrasts, colors and textures of life. I think this makes it more difficult for a lot of guys to understand them, since money plays a major part in the way a lot of guys think about themselves and their place in the world. A lot of girls in other countries have a much more "grounded" way of thinking about things, so there's often more common ground between American men and these women.
I know a few guys, divorced guys specifically, that will point out that money is what it is all about when a American marriage is falling apart, but I don't know that territory. I just think money is not the only, or even the principle, thing on a woman's mind leading up to the marriage.
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Amen J.D.
""A lot of girls in other countries have a much more "grounded" way of thinking about things, so there's often more common ground between American men and these women.""
I agree with Jelly D, and by grounded, my feeling is that foreign women think in terms of "the family" and not themselves so much.
Men, absolutely are brought up to be the bread winners and having a good source of income is crucial for the support(house, cars, vacations, etc) , AW do not think of the family in the same respect, AW think( clothes, cosmetics, etc)....
I was married to an AW, and now have a Panamanian GF, the difference in family values is mazing. My AW ex, now remarried, still not work, still goes to school at age 36, has house cleaners, and stops at the grocery store for a take out dinner. My Panamanian GF works, comes home cooks, and the kids help clean the house, it is a family effort.
Sure there are probably some good AW, but it is so difficult to find amongst the rubble. AW as a group, think more of themselves than of a commitment to family. I work in an office and listen to the AW complain about their men. Apparently, us AM are not living up to what the AW are reading in their novels. Again, these AW are living in a world apart from reality of being part of a family.
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Mmb:
FourMoney was talking about driving a truck, a 5 ton truck with 18 wheels and 40 feet long carrying goods across the country. We not only don't use trains much to transport people, we don't use them much for freight either!
And personally I have never complained about AW using men IN THAT WAY. There are some big cultural differences at work here.
My biggest problem with my AW wife whom I divorced was simply that she couldn't accept me as the person that I am and felt she needed to change me. My current fiancée would cut off both her breasts before she would do something like this, and I feel the same way towards her. I want her to be herself forever and only want to help her change the things about her that SHE wants to change.
And yes her job is extremely difficult. It affects her sex drive of course, because she is not made of wood, she has REAL orgasms while she's working and that tires her out. Her work is very physically demanding in many surprising ways, and because of all that she probably won't be working at it full time for the rest of her life. But there are positives about it too, she gets to work on her languages, especially English, and she gets an insight few of us have into human nature.
I actually have the highest respect for women who work in the sex industry in any way. I think many of them are the wisest people on the planet.
I think America as a country and as a culture (if one could even say America really has a culture in the same way a place like Poland has), is suffering like it never has before in its history, and it's not really a problem with women, it is a combination of deep rooted problems with its cultural institutions. I think part of the problem is the car, like you pointed out, people are just FASCINATED with it here, which is something I never understood, I love my bicycle! :P but part of it also is that people have very unrealistic expectations of each other here, both women AND men.
I don't think too many AM are going to solve the problems by marrying foreign women either, because the expectations are still artificially high, and eventually ANY woman is going to fall short, in many cases. Likewise, I think many foreign women actually DO believe bullshit like 'American men don't cheat' etc. and they hold a lot of myths that can be dangerous.
Also the big problem between two people from two different countries and two different cultures is that unless you are really really well off financially you have to live in ONE country which means that generally the person who moves is going to have to learn a new culture. First off, that means there is a very real danger of sometimes very severe culture shock.
This is especially a big deal for Latin American women coming up to Canada or the US. Many of them have only heard the positives of North America and none of the negatives, and they are totally mentally unprepared for what actually awaits them. Many women from Latin countries come up here for the first time and just BURST INTO TEARS at what they see, especially if they were actually from a nice middle-class neighborhood in some South American city and they wind up living somewhere real gritty up here. Not to mention the loss of closeness to family and friends etc. it can be a big problem.
That is one of the many reasons I'm moving to Bogota to be with my girl, instead of she up here with me. Fortunately in my case I've been hanging out with Colombians for the past 12-13 years or so, already speak the language well, and have a good handle on the culture.
NYC may not exactly be hell on Earth, hell, I still consider it the best part of the whole USA, but for her it would be a horrible experience. The dirt, the rats, the garbage etc. all doesn't bother me but it would drive her up the wall! Not to mention she has a son and can send him to a REALLY good school in Bogota, it's expensive for her but it's possible. Here to duplicate THAT quality of education would cost $20k a year or more, which is just impossible for most mortal humans.
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yes i meant 5 ton freightliner trucks, 10 forward speed, 2 reverse, alum 23" wheels, sleeps 2, room for my laptop, fridge and tv... if truck drivers stopped all of a sudden the us and canada would come to a screeching halt! only about 30% of the freight in america moves by train, its just too slow.
the passenger trains are deathly slow, that's why people don't use it. if we had a high speed rail system like they have throughout most of europe and japan, things would be different.
i had fun driving trucks, i may do it again. i can't think of an easier way to make 35k or more a year.
i love cars, i have 2 bikes, what's wrong with that? i do this with my cars -
[url]http://s2.***********.com/albums/y20/djfourmoney/?action=view¤t=13.flv[/url]
red car on the left...
i don't know why mmbmmb thinks we are generalizing, some of the things we say are generalizations but not far from reality.
i can't escape the fact that i connect with european women on a different level than american women. clearly you haven't been through the lower 48 states. i much rather stay here and i really, really don't care what most people's personal views on our state are. yeah the ground moves, it moved on sunday. it moves all the time, you don't always feel it.
i don't see the purpose in moving to say nebraska just to find a woman.
have you been to nebraska???
to visit is fine, to live..... not for a city boy like me!
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i don't think marrying foreign woman is an answer either. however for some of us, i feel its our only shot at happiness. i wouldn't worry about it either, enough american and canadian men are brainwashed into thinking this is the only place they should be looking for a mate.
i don't know what i have to tell mmbmmb that dating here for me is a complete lost cause. i don't like the women i have available to me. just what am i suppose to do with that, make lemonade out of lemons???
i already tried that.
i don't want to date single mothers (not ideal but...)
i don't want to date bbw's (been there, done that)
i don't want to date women older than me (for obvious reasons)
so as krs-one once say "so what the fuck am i suppose to do?"
i'll tell you what i'm going to do.
i'm going to put the 2-3 german single mothers on the backburner and seek some childless, younger and single women. american women 25-30 think i'm too old, you said it yourself mmbmmb you don't mind a 15 year age difference. i'm only shooting for 10-12 years. any younger than that is just too young imho.
is that horrible???
the women here childless and over 30 are that way for reasons i don't always agree with and i wouldn't want to get trapped into a relationship with them anyway.
not looking doesn't work for me either. if i don't look, i don't hang around in areas where women are always and the women i currently work with, well, hell no!
i don't think all aw are generally horrible, but the bad ones out number the good ones!
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2 photos
I don’t know why but the links don’t work, both mine and yours.
Anyway now I understand what kind of truck you talked about (the photo number 1) I thought that you meant the car from the second photo. It’s also described as a truck, at least in internet.
It doesn’t change the fact that the both are too big for someone who’s 5,2, wearing a hat ;-)
[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]I think America as a country and as a culture (if one could even say America really has a culture in the same way a place like Poland has), is suffering like it never has before in its history, and it's not really a problem with women, it is a combination of deep rooted problems with its cultural institutions. I think part of the problem is the car, like you pointed out, people are just FASCINATED with it here, which is something I never understood, I love my bicycle! :P but part of it also is that people have very unrealistic expectations of each other here, both women AND men.[/QUOTE]Well, so here’s the problem, not because AW are greedy, bitchy, overweight, picky, ugly, unfaithful and so on. All these features are only the symptoms.
[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]I don't think too many AM are going to solve the problems by marrying foreign women either, because the expectations are still artificially high, and eventually ANY woman is going to fall short, in many cases.[/QUOTE]Truth because if you don’t respect your partner (or you look for a submissive toy) it won’t help even if your girl is from Mars or an other planet of Solar System.
[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]Also the big problem between two people from two different countries and two different cultures is that unless you are really really well off financially you have to live in ONE country which means that generally the person who moves is going to have to learn a new culture. First off, that means there is a very real danger of sometimes very severe culture shock. This is especially a big deal for Latin American women coming up to Canada or the US. Many of them have only heard the positives of North America and none of the negatives, and they are totally mentally unprepared for what actually awaits them. Many women from Latin countries come up here for the first time and just BURST INTO TEARS at what they see, especially if they were actually from a nice middle-class neighborhood in some South American city and they wind up living somewhere real gritty up here. Not to mention the loss of closeness to family and friends etc. it can be a big problem
[/QUOTE]I agree but one could write a book about it. Latin American women aren’t the only ones who have to go through it. That’s way my polish friends call me “stupid”. They simply think that US looks like in TV. I have to admit that US have a very good propagandistic machine called Hollywood. Don’t get me wrong. United States has its own disadvantages and advantages, like every country. But for sure it’s not a paradise where you’ll change into a millionaire already at the airport
[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]And personally I have never complained about AW using men IN THAT WAY. There are some big cultural differences at work here.[/QUOTE]I wrote about AW here because I meant that they “sell” you fantasy about happiness and after you end with an empty bank account after divorce. This is what I meant. Your fiancée, as AW, sell fantasy but in her case you know in advance what you can expect (if you’re not a naïve idiot). You know that it’s just her work. If it’s about AW, you really believe that she loves you even if it’s only an illusion
[QUOTE=Paesano63]Married a Russian girl and brought her back to the US , mind you we were both in our 20's at the time, I thought it would really work. She divorced me and married a doctor (20 years senior), now she she's back in school, does no housework (has cleaners come in) and spends $100 on her haircuts, the typical spoiled american woman.
I agree with Jelly D, and by grounded, my feeling is that foreign women think in terms of "the family" and not themselves so much.
Men, absolutely are brought up to be the bread winners and having a good source of income is crucial for the support(house, cars, vacations, etc) , AW do not think of the family in the same respect, AW think( clothes, cosmetics, etc).
I was married to an AW, and now have a Panamanian GF, the difference in family values is mazing. My AW ex, now remarried, still not work, still goes to school at age 36, has house cleaners, and stops at the grocery store for a take out dinner. My Panamanian GF works, comes home cooks, and the kids help clean the house, it is a family effort.[/QUOTE]So your wife was from Russia, not Unites States? You mean that now she has the citizenship, yes? I guess you ex-Russian wife isn’t the best example of a girl “in family values”. I’m sure your Panamian girlfriend has a wonderful soul but you see that that the problem is in someone’s character not the nationality
[QUOTE=Paesano63]Sure there are probably some good AW, but it is so difficult to find amongst the rubble. AW as a group, think more of themselves than of a commitment to family. I work in an office and listen to the AW complain about their men. Apparently, us AM are not living up to what the AW are reading in their novels. Again, these AW are living in a world apart from reality of being part of a family.
[/QUOTE][QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]I don't know WHAT I have to tell Mmbmmb that dating here for me is a complete lost cause. I don't like the women I have available to me.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]I don't think all AW are generally horrible, but the bad ones out number the good ones![/QUOTE]Ok gentlemen, let’s say I believe you. But before I’ll answer you “what the fuck you’re suppose to do” I want to ask you about something.
What AW answered you when you told them the same what you told to me? What was their argumentation?
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]Have you been to Nebraska?[/QUOTE]No, I haven’t. Neither in California. I was only on the east cost of US. That’s why I asked why California is better. I simply wasn’t there and I’d like to know the difference. And I don’t talk about climate but about relationships between men and women
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]American Women 25-30 think I'm too old, you said it yourself Mmbmmb you don't mind a 15 year age difference. I'm only shooting for 10-12 years. Any younger than that is just too young IMHO.Is that horrible?[/QUOTE]No, it’s not horrible. It’s a little similar to attitude of AW who want someone eg no more then 5 years older. If your attitude isn’t horrible, I also don’t think their expectations are.
And if it’s about me, I don’t mind if someone is 15 years older OR younger then me because I look what this man has in his head, not what he has in ID
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]Mmb:
FourMoney was talking about driving a truck, a 5 ton truck with 18 wheels and 40 feet long carrying goods across the country. We not only don't use trains much to transport people, we don't use them much for freight either!
And personally I have never complained about AW using men IN THAT WAY. There are some big cultural differences at work here.
My biggest problem with my AW wife whom I divorced was simply that she couldn't accept me as the person that I am and felt she needed to change me. My current fiancée would cut off both her breasts before she would do something like this, and I feel the same way towards her. I want her to be herself forever and only want to help her change the things about her that SHE wants to change.
And yes her job is extremely difficult. It affects her sex drive of course, because she is not made of wood, she has REAL orgasms while she's working and that tires her out. Her work is very physically demanding in many surprising ways, and because of all that she probably won't be working at it full time for the rest of her life. But there are positives about it too, she gets to work on her languages, especially English, and she gets an insight few of us have into human nature.
I actually have the highest respect for women who work in the sex industry in any way. I think many of them are the wisest people on the planet.
I think America as a country and as a culture (if one could even say America really has a culture in the same way a place like Poland has), is suffering like it never has before in its history, and it's not really a problem with women, it is a combination of deep rooted problems with its cultural institutions. I think part of the problem is the car, like you pointed out, people are just FASCINATED with it here, which is something I never understood, I love my bicycle! :P but part of it also is that people have very unrealistic expectations of each other here, both women AND men.
I don't think too many AM are going to solve the problems by marrying foreign women either, because the expectations are still artificially high, and eventually ANY woman is going to fall short, in many cases. Likewise, I think many foreign women actually DO believe bullshit like 'American men don't cheat' etc. and they hold a lot of myths that can be dangerous.
Also the big problem between two people from two different countries and two different cultures is that unless you are really really well off financially you have to live in ONE country which means that generally the person who moves is going to have to learn a new culture. First off, that means there is a very real danger of sometimes very severe culture shock.
This is especially a big deal for Latin American women coming up to Canada or the US. Many of them have only heard the positives of North America and none of the negatives, and they are totally mentally unprepared for what actually awaits them. Many women from Latin countries come up here for the first time and just BURST INTO TEARS at what they see, especially if they were actually from a nice middle-class neighborhood in some South American city and they wind up living somewhere real gritty up here. Not to mention the loss of closeness to family and friends etc. it can be a big problem.
That is one of the many reasons I'm moving to Bogota to be with my girl, instead of she up here with me. Fortunately in my case I've been hanging out with Colombians for the past 12-13 years or so, already speak the language well, and have a good handle on the culture.
NYC may not exactly be hell on Earth, hell, I still consider it the best part of the whole USA, but for her it would be a horrible experience. The dirt, the rats, the garbage etc. all doesn't bother me but it would drive her up the wall! Not to mention she has a son and can send him to a REALLY good school in Bogota, it's expensive for her but it's possible. Here to duplicate THAT quality of education would cost $20k a year or more, which is just impossible for most mortal humans.[/QUOTE]
America is definitey suffering a major crisis that it never has in the past, not really an economic one, but a cultural and moral one that would eventually effect its economic and political future. There is a lot of unprecedented competition around the world for global supremacy, coming from Asia and Europe, this is happening at a time when the American culture, particularly its youth culture is failing to produce strong leaders. The feminists have completely castrated the American male to be completely useless in a very chaotic world this is dangerous.
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]
This is especially a big deal for Latin American women coming up to Canada or the US. Many of them have only heard the positives of North America and none of the negatives, and they are totally mentally unprepared for what actually awaits them. Many women from Latin countries come up here for the first time and just BURST INTO TEARS at what they see, especially if they were actually from a nice middle-class neighborhood in some South American city and they wind up living somewhere real gritty up here. Not to mention the loss of closeness to family and friends etc. it can be a big problem.
That is one of the many reasons I'm moving to Bogota to be with my girl, instead of she up here with me. Fortunately in my case I've been hanging out with Colombians for the past 12-13 years or so, already speak the language well, and have a good handle on the culture.
NYC may not exactly be hell on Earth, hell, I still consider it the best part of the whole USA, but for her it would be a horrible experience. The dirt, the rats, the garbage etc. all doesn't bother me but it would drive her up the wall! Not to mention she has a son and can send him to a REALLY good school in Bogota, it's expensive for her but it's possible. Here to duplicate THAT quality of education would cost $20k a year or more, which is just impossible for most mortal humans.[/QUOTE]
Exactly! You've thought all this stuff through. It sounds like you're a few years ahead of me in terms of making it happen. I hope you'll keep updating the board when you move to Bogota. It sounds like you've already laid the groundwork and know most everything to expect.
I can't remember where it is on this board, probably the Bogota thread, but Straight Shooter wrote a report called "Hope This Will Explain Life Here Compared To The United States" which discusses life in Bogota for an ex-pat. It seems like the most common-sense way to move through life.
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Bango spend a good amount of time in another city, one with a reputation for a good quality of life, I moved to Sydney from New York City, I absolutely love Sydney but wouldn't go to NYC if you gave me $10 million(well maybe).
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When you bring up any of the subjects to American Woman -
They Say: [i]Housework is beneath them[/i]
If your at home all fricken day what else are you SUPPOSE to be doing???
They Say: [i]I don't need a man, but if the right one came along it would be nice...[/i]
Career and Status are more important to most women. So they go to school, work hard and make it to the top. Around 35 their lives are empty and the biological clock is forever ticking. So they RUSH to find somebody like themselves.
When they can't find a male carbon-copy, they claim "There Are No Good Men Left"
That's UTTER BULLSHIT!
California isn't better, its actually WORST from a relationship stand point. The woman have Stars and Dollar Signs in their eyes. If your game is tight, can flash some green, get seats next to Jack at the Laker games or down 1st base line at Dodger Stadium, you're cell phone will hardly stop ringin and you'll have a selection of women from East Coast, NoCal and the Mid West.
FSU Women already here have a small network. I dated a Hungarian girl about this time last year. For whatever reason she dissed me. I dunno, just didn't click I guess. I did hit it, twice so it wasn't a complete LOST.
But she's the only non-American woman I have dated in the last 11 months.
I did meet a 41 year old divorced woman with style reminiscent of the 90's. She has financial problems and frankly I don't wanna be apart of that, while she struggles to pay her mortgage.
The only other girl I have had more than one conversation wanted to spend more time with her dog than me.
Oh I also can't forget the overweight single mother of 3 that couldn't seem to find time to meet me either.
Whatever it is I'm doing here its not working.
Its time to take my "act" overseas. The Hungarian took a brother shopping (I paid!), cooked for a brother (more than once) and even cut my hair a couple of times.
Only my EX even approached that level of appreciation for her man, but she was from a small town in Arizona.
All younger than me by at least 8 years as well.
I'm doing the right thing for me. It might not be the right thing for somebody else.
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[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]When you bring up any of the subjects to American Woman -
They Say: [i]Housework is beneath them[/i]
If your at home all fricken day what else are you SUPPOSE to be doing???
They Say: [i]I don't need a man, but if the right one came along it would be nice...[/i]
Career and Status are more important to most women. So they go to school, work hard and make it to the top. Around 35 their lives are empty and the biological clock is forever ticking. So they RUSH to find somebody like themselves.
When they can't find a male carbon-copy, they claim "There Are No Good Men Left"
[/QUOTE]Hmm, it’s interesting. At the beginning I didn’t know what to think because it’s not an argumentation which leads to a discussion but “a defense” or whishes.
I’d like to ask you DJ FourMoney, and you gentlemen, have you ever read a women’s magazine like “Cosmopolitan”, “Glamour” or “Elle”? Sometimes I buy them. I’m always astonished when I read them. The amount of commercials, full of beautiful girls who aren’t real, is huge. Anyone can’t equal such ideal:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE0owrvLIQo[/url]
But I like reading there articles about fashion, make-up etc. Sometimes interviews with different people but most of them are simply not interesting. Anyway articles about relationships, sex, psychological problems etc. are the most frightening in these magazines. You can find there for example “a guy decoder” or read “guy-advice guru” who answers the reader’s questions. Let me copy some question for you:
-"I hate my boyfriend's best friend! What should I do?"
-"Does my boyfriend's online chatting count as cheating?"
-"Should I go to a strip club with my boyfriend?"
-"He's a guy — shouldn't he be wanting sex all the time?"
-"Is it a mistake to have sex on the first date?"
-"How can I get him to do what I want to do?"
- "Why won't he do the laundry like I asked?"
- "Why does he get so naughty during sex?"
-"Why doesn't he care about the wedding?"
-"How can I convince the guy I went home with that I'm not a sl*t?"
-“His weird seduction moves turn me off"
-"I think my boyfriend is gay"
-"How do I tell my guy I'm a 25-year-old virgin without freaking him out?"
-"I make a lot more money than my man does"
- "My guy and my mom have more in common than he and I do"
-"Why do I always get dumped after the third date?"
Ok, it’s enough gentlemen. Am I the only one person who has impression that I don’t read magazines for adult people but for teenagers?
The message all media try to give people, especially women, is simple. If you want o be “a hot chick” you have to buy a handbag from Gucci, to look like Lindsay Lohan, to work as a model, to sleep with everyone who’s famous(=in fashion) and to spend holidays in Paris. And when you have it all you’ll be happy. There’s no deeper reflection what it is “happiness”. Sex is like drinking a Starbucks’s coffee. They don’t write about any STD ( only how not to get pregnant) or the influence of sex into psyche (your and your partner’s one). Sleeping with 5 guys at the same time is normal. When they write about beauty they only advice what kind of cream you have to buy, not that beauty is also in your attitude to life.
Do you know what I want to say gentlemen? That the only one pattern of happiness is being of extra slim model with Moschino’s coat who drinks caramel frappuccino. And money for all this stuff you have from 1) your man or rich daddy/family 2) salary for photo session or 3) inheritance.
And people believe in that. Another problem is that many women think they should be perfect in everything. (It’s hard to look like Paris Hilton if you have 3 kids and you work from 8 to 18 o’clock) But nobody can. You can’t be the best employee, mother, wife, sister, friend 24/7 etc. because it’s even the faster way to get a heart attack then sex with Polvo ;-)
They think that if they work harder and they demand more they will be happy one day. The problem is that if we can’t enjoy our lives now we probably won’t enjoy them in the future. It doesn’t matter how rich we will be.
I think Bango Cheito was right writing “I think America as a country and as a culture (if one could even say America really has a culture in the same way a place like Poland has), is suffering like it never has before in its history, and it's not really a problem with women, it is a combination of deep rooted problems with its cultural institutions.”.
We already wrote about eg consumerism, greed, materialism, selfishness. And it’s not only a problem of US.
CBGBConnisur wrote ” I made my post about the petrodollar, it has continued to fall, so much that in Europe an American official was questioned by the press as to what the hell is happening. Ask Fan Gang from China about what he thinks about the US Dollar”.
In a few years, maybe 10, maybe 15, you’ll see what will happen to all those “paradises full of good women” when economy of their countries is better. If someone can’t respect an other person now, he/she will never do this. It has nothing to do with money. I respect a dustman and his work because without it I would live in a dump. But there are people who say “He’s only a dustman. I won’t talk to him” or people who say ”He’s only a stupid, fat American. What he can know?”
And now: “what the fuck you’re suppose to do”
Well, DJ FourMoney, if your situation in US seems so hopeless you should go overseas. I think it’s the only one way to find out if the foreign women are better for you. If they aren’t, at least you will visit some places, you’ll meet new people and you won’t regret: “I didn’t even try”.
Anyway I hope you’ll be happy and you’ll find what you are looking for. I wish you luck.
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[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]Bango spend a good amount of time in another city, one with a reputation for a good quality of life, I moved to Sydney from New York City, I absolutely love Sydney but wouldn't go to NYC if you gave me $10 million(well maybe).[/QUOTE]
I lived 6 years in Toronto before NYC. And NYC is MUCH better than Toronto. Toronto has worse air pollution, worse water, worse traffic, higher taxes, AND more crime to boot! TO has a better reputation than NY as a city but it's TOTALLY UNDESERVED IMO.
I've been all over the US too. I hate it. I like riding my bicycle, and taking transit I HATE cars and can't stand driving. In most of the US you have no choice but to get a car and drive if you ever wanna get anywhere.
I'm moving to Bogota, which has a HORRIBLE reputation as a city but actually is a quite nice place. It has a great climate, great food, great public transpotation (AND bike paths), incredible nightlife and people, the cost of living is super cheap, even by shitty local economic standards, it's probably the most underrated place on Earth. Of course even 10 years ago it was still a total dump, dangerous and choked with some of the world's worst traffic and air pollution.
Not to mention, the whole city just SCREAMS sex, kind of like NYC did back in the day. Of course I wouldn't recommend it for just anyone, especially if you don't have a great command of Spanish, you'll totally miss out on everything there without it!
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MMB, the media just about everywhere on the planet does that these days, it aims at stupid and immature people, and encourages stupidity and immaturity. They can sell more shit to more people if they aren't very good critical thinkers and can't control their emotional impulses very well. I haven't owned a TV in years and I think I have gotten a lot LESS stupid because of it :P
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito] I'm moving to Bogota,..It has ... great public transpotation (AND bike paths),[/QUOTE]Bogota, Colombia? As in drug cartels and gun culture? And bike paths? Would that it were true.
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Thanks Mmbmmb
The majority of Americans are "sheep" they follow what they are told. Which is why Cosmo has no problem filling over 200 pages of a magazine with ads.
In Men's Magazines like Men's Health, they actually look at it as most of us on forum look at it and is sort of a defense guide, because nobody else is willing to write one as its not PC. After all MEN don't need help right? We already have all the answers...
I never said I couldn't find anybody here. I'm just saying the time and money needed to invest in the local market or even extending my search to other states would cost just as much as flying overseas several times to meet women until I find a match.
I just felt my money is better spent in a more interesting place, meeting people and learning about other cultures for the betterment of ME. If in that I find somebody that has all the things I'm looking for then great! I just feel my chances are about 50% better than here.
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Biking is popular in Bogotá. So, yes, it is true.
[QUOTE=Happy Bigamist]Bogota, Colombia? As in drug cartels and gun culture? And bike paths? Would that it were true.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Mmbmmb]
In a few years, maybe 10, maybe 15, you’ll see what will happen to all those “paradises full of good women” when economy of their countries is better.[/QUOTE]
Yes. This is a big issue, it seems like it's going to suck being a guy on planet earth in 50 years.
But that's someone else's problem.
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Mmb
Let's flip your perspective. Yes, those magazines are filled with mindless drivel for women, as most things in media are. But those magazines are aimed only at women. BY women. Now take a look at any TV commercial featuring a man and woman in the US. The male will ALWAYS be made to look like an incompetent childish idiot. ALWAYS. And these commercials are seen nationwide by both genders. The same goes for any comedy on TV. Hell, even the dramas only have male villains. If a female is a villain, which is hardly ever, she is super-hot.
Basically media caters to the LCD, the lowest common denominator. It hurts our perception of men and women. It tells women they can be a CEO a mom and a supermodel all at once. It tells women that men are dumb and incompetent. It fills the minds of people with luxury items that few can really really afford comfortably, but many go in debt to achieve. If folks looked within themselves for happiness instead of some material goods, then maybe we wouldn't have so many postings on this forum.
Then again, what do I know? I'm powerlifter/video gamer/history buff that likes to think their is an attractive sweet girl somewhere on the planet for me.
Cheers.
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I really need to learn how to paragraph. =)
Happy Friday, folks!
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[QUOTE=Furiouz]Let's flip your perspective. Yes, those magazines are filled with mindless drivel for women, as most things in media are. But those magazines are aimed only at women. BY women. Now take a look at any TV commercial featuring a man and woman in the US. The male will ALWAYS be made to look like an incompetent childish idiot. ALWAYS. And these commercials are seen nationwide by both genders. The same goes for any comedy on TV. Hell, even the dramas only have male villains. If a female is a villain, which is hardly ever, she is super-hot.
Basically media caters to the LCD, the lowest common denominator. It hurts our perception of men and women. It tells women they can be a CEO a mom and a supermodel all at once. It tells women that men are dumb and incompetent. It fills the minds of people with luxury items that few can really really afford comfortably, but many go in debt to achieve. If folks looked within themselves for happiness instead of some material goods, then maybe we wouldn't have so many postings on this forum.
Then again, what do I know? I'm powerlifter/video gamer/history buff that likes to think their is an attractive sweet girl somewhere on the planet for me.
Cheers.[/QUOTE]
Chances are she's in Europe and I pretty much can confirm that. I don't believe there is only one match. I feel your matches can range from 80%-100% compatible. It really depends if you want to put up with her personalty faults and weather she'll put up with yours.
I learned a long time ago you should eliminate the ones that bother you the most.
For me is indecision, smoking, obesity & general lack of common sense
European women seem to be better informed, but that doesn't mean they automatically make the best decisions, after all I know one girl in Germany with 3 kids from 2 different fathers and she's never been married...
Smoking is big in Europe but I always felt if they loved you enough they would quit...
Obesity is a given because just how many fat girls are in Europe? If you go OUT OF YOUR WAY you'll find some, but generally most are slim to average, which suits me perfectly
Common sense you can really only find out by spending extended time with the woman in question and just see how she reacts to problems and questions. Is she a problem solver or a complainer? I think we can agree problem solvers are better in touch with common sense...
I'm always up for Wingmen... I'm pretty sure I'll be making at least 2-3 more trips before I find somebody.
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Gentlemen,
Writing about magazines I wanted to draw your attention to expectations towards women, not only AW. And exactly, magazines "say" to women that they have to be, not that they can be, "a CEO a mom and a supermodel all at once". I already wrote it’s hard because if you work 10-12h a day to be a CEO you can’t find time to go with your child to art classes or to prepare dinner for your husband. The problem is that "modern world" expects that you can do this. And women feel guilty. If they are "a mom at home" and they don’t make a career then they have no ambition and in my country people call them "home hens". It means that someone is stupid and good only for house cleaning. Unluckily people didn’t learn yet that it’s also work and cleaning ladies are expensive if they don’t work at their own houses. On the other hand if you work hard to be a CEO and you haven’t children you’re selfish old maiden without heart because it’s the role of woman to take care of family.
Do you understand gentlemen? Whatever you do it’s always wrong. And I have impression that women got lost in that all. They aren’t stupid "sheep". They don’t hurt you because it’s funny for them. They want happiness but they don’t know to the end what it is and how to get it. Gentlemen, there’s no man or woman who doesn’t make any mistakes. We all are imperfect but we can learn. If we made a mistake and we haven’t to do it again. Women’s magazines show only one version of happiness and people believed in it because media has a huge power all over the world. It doesn’t matter if you’re a woman in Poland, US or China. We all read the same version of articles and we see the same photos. To tell the truth if I see a young girl with fashionable clothes I can’t say where she comes from. H&M, Gap, Benetton or Banana Republic are well-known everywhere.
And the fact that "those magazines are filled with mindless drivel for women, as most things in media are" is a problem. I think it’s only about money. They try to sell as much bullshit as they can. Lately I went to H&M to buy some clothes. I saw a sale and I bought a blouse. I paid for it about 5$ but the first price, before sale, was 25$. Now gentlemen, tell me, how do you think, how much does it cost to produce this blouse? It’s a product made in China. They had to transport the blouse to Poland, to pay the duty and fee for factory which made it. The store also had to earn its own money so I started to wonder how much it costs to produce my blouse. I’m not astonished anymore that Madonna design for and advertise H&M because without her interview eg in Cosmo that " I love Viktor & Rolf collection for H&M and I’m happy that I can design for them. Etc. " nobody would buy their clothes. The quality of it is even below "the sea level";.)
And it’s not only H&M which makes its clothes in China. Look at your Nike shoes or Tommy Hilfiger’s jeans.
[QUOTE=Jelly Donut]Yes. This is a big issue, it seems like it's going to suck being a guy on planet earth in 50 years.
But that's someone else's problem.[/QUOTE]Jelly Donut, I prefer when you are an optimist :-) Think that you have at least 10 or 15 years to find the “super women” ;-)
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]In Men's Magazines like Men's Health, they actually look at it as most of us on forum look at it and is sort of a defense guide, because nobody else is willing to write one as its not PC. After all MEN don't need help right? We already have all the answers...[/QUOTE]I have to admit gentlemen that you inspire me to get to know new things. I’m not omniscient. I’ve never read any men’s magazine so I decided to do it. I checked Men’s Health, Playboy and AskMen.com.
Well, it was even funny. I couldn’t believe that your female neighbors look like on the photo “The girls next door” (I attached it) ;-) And I found also some questions/tips which are interesting for men:
-4 Sex Tricks Women Use
-7 Lap Dance Moves To Make You Melt
-5 Types Of Men Every Woman Wants
-What to do when she won’t return your calls.
-Why Women Like Jerks
-Places To Find Kid-Friendly Women
-Female Qualities Single Dads Should Look For
-Wanting Your Friend’s Girlfriend
-Is Her Flirting Serious?
And so on :-)
Sometimes, gentlemen, I have impression that, in these magazines, we are “alien creatures” for each other ;-)
One of my favorite books is “Solaris” by Stanislav Lem. There was a film based on it, by Steven Soderbergh, but it wasn’t outstanding. It was more famous for George Clooney’s naked butt so you haven’t to watch it ;-) Anyway the book was about a psychologist, Chris Kelvin. He was sent to a space station to checked why the commander of an expedition to the planet “Solaris” died. Well, the plot is interesting but the real “hero” of the book is the planet. It’s a big, alive organism. They try to examine it and to establish any contact but it’s no use. They are tired and don’t understand it. It’s not what they expected to meet. They rather thought that they would meet different races similar to human race but they weren’t prepared for something like Solaris. The author states that people like searching mirrors ,their own image in all new things. In naivety we thinks that everything feels (thinks?) in the same way how we feel. It’s not truth to the end. Luckily we don’t have to establish contact with alive planets :-) but with other people.
I agree with you that communication is the key but to communicate with the others we need understanding, a little imagination and a lot of good will :-) You really don’t need the tips what to do when she keep telling you “Not tonight, sweetheart. I have a headache” ;-) All we can do it’s to tell our partner what we feel and what’s wrong. After it’s up to her/his what to answer and how to solve the problem. If she/he doesn’t want to talk or rejects offer of counseling etc what else you can do? You can’t live instead of someone. One should do all what one can but anyone can’t make decisions for someone else. I always try to be sincere and to do everything to fix up the things but to create/keep a relationship we need also the second side.
[QUOTE=Furiouz]Now take a look at any TV commercial featuring a man and woman in the US. The male will ALWAYS be made to look like an incompetent childish idiot. ALWAYS[/QUOTE]And what’s wrong with this guy?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVYVpxrTjrg&NR=1
Never say never (or always) ;-)
Or maybe you haven’t this commercial in US?
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[QUOTE=Happy Bigamist]Bogota, Colombia? As in drug cartels and gun culture? And bike paths? Would that it were true.[/QUOTE]
Dude, why write when you obviously don't know??
1) the two big cartels were in Medellin and Cali, NOT Bogota
2) Muggers use knives there, not gunsas a rule. How do I know, I've seen it, THREE TIMES! The US is the 'gun culture' country, dude.
3) [url]http://www.idu.gov.co/sist_trans/ciclorrutas.htm#[/url] ... go to the bottom, click on "Descargar Plano de CicloRuta" ... it's the best bike path system IN THE WORLD!
Next time think before you vomit. Thanks.
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MMB what I think would make things better is if everybody threw their TV in the garbage, left their cars at home, and started transporting themselves by other means that might actually mean contact with the rest of the human race. I doubt it's going to happen anytime soon in America!! BUT it would certainly go a long way towards curing us of our alienation and isolation and our anti-social tendencies!
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[QUOTE=Mmbmmb]
Jelly Donut, I prefer when you are an optimist :-) Think that you have at least 10 or 15 years to find the “super women” ;-)
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Excellent. Well, by nature I am an optimist - I feel damn fortunate when I look around me, but that does not mean I can afford to ignore the future and the fickle nature of God.
Besides, your projection is an optimistic one - in the not-to-distant future the circumstances of women around the world will be much improved - and I agree with it or at least I hope it will turn out true. I think if things do not improve for women, and the poorest countries, in the next couple of generations things will be worse for everyone, everywhere.
Still, that has implications for men. Right now, I live in a country with a relatively high standard of living and this gives me advantages in terms of finding women in countries where the per capita GNP is lower. To my way of thinking, that's not any different than a guy who grew up in Palm Springs romancing a girl from suburban Seattle; he has some advantages. It's just the way it is.
But as the GNP of both China and India and Brazil and so on increase, it's naturally going to throw a big series of problems in the ISG mix. Demand is going to increase as guys from, say, Poland can increasingly afford to go to Thailand. And supply will decrease as the quality of life improves in, say, Brazil. It's a grim long-term forcast for many future ISG readers - but it's probably not going to be a major issue for current readers. By the time things get really hard, most of us will be to old to care anymore.
And again, in the big picture it may not serve the best long-term interests of ISG readers - but it's an optimistic vision for the world.
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Hmm..
Mmb, I think we are sort of arguing the same point from a different angle. In general, the media fosters unrealistic expectations through print and video for both genders. I think the case is too many people fall for it, for that stereotype.
Case in point. One of my clients is 5'1 140lbs. Now that sounds like a big woman, and she can stand to gain some lean mass and drop her body fat percentage. But she is easily one of the most attractive women I have ever met. I could easily easily make love to this girl for the next couple of decades. I was watching the other guys in the gym as I was training this client and they ALL just STARED at her. But she is looking to drop 25lbs to fit in some ridiculous size. I keep telling her don't worry about the weight, worry about your health and how you feel. I think she is almost perfect as she is.
As Western men it is becoming more and more difficult to find a true partner in our consumer driven culture. Women can have their run of men as they wish, so they have different problems in that regard. But this is a forum for men. There are ample enough places on the Net for women to vent about their problems.
"Cash Rules Everything Around Me, C.R.E.A.M get the money...dolla dolla bill y'all".
PS-Regarding that commercial, there are anomalies throughout all of nature =P
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[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]
I'm always up for Wingmen... I'm pretty sure I'll be making at least 2-3 more trips before I find somebody.[/QUOTE]
I'm a pretty good Wing, if I do say so myself =)
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Jelly Donut,
Maybe I’m stupid but not so stupid to believe that prostitution will disappear or it will decrease widely. I wouldn't worry so much about ISG's readers. I like to think that it’s a question of poverty but it isn’t, at least not to the end. Prostitutes work also in USA, Canada or Japan. And these countries are wealthy. Even if you don’t work in these countries as a lawyer but as a waitress you aren’t hungry and you can rent a place to live. Of course it’s not a house in the center of Manhattan but you don’t worry that you can’t buy shoes for winter or you have no money for food. I understand that poor girls from eg SA can come to US and to work there as escorts but I don’t believe that all prostitutes are from foreign countries. If you’re a healthy, American girl who graduated high school you have a lot of possibilities eg army or part time job and credit for studies ect. You haven’t to be a sex worker. So why do they decide to work as prostitutes if they aren’t poor? I wrote more about the gentlemen’s “dreamlike princess”.
I have no ambition to save the morality of the world and I have no illusions that my attitude to life is universal.
I know JD that you can say: “I’m too old for that shit she tries to “sell” me.” ;-) But what’s important in life it isn’t only sleeping with as big amount of women as you can. You wouldn’t discuss with me if all what you expected from life is mongering. I also didn’t start any post here.
I just wanted to write gentlemen that you haven’t to agree for all this crap. I mean what you pay for you should get for free from a beloved person. That’s why I wrote “the theory about plants” and all my “golden thoughts”. I was surprised and scared when I was reading your posts before. Let me quote some of them (partly from thread about AW and partly from this about marrying foreign woman):
[QUOTE= Gentlemen]Big Bubba (thread: MFW, 03-03-06)
I was married to a sexy brazilian lady ffor 5 years. treated her like a lady didn't cheat on her. did all my husband duties, kept roof over her head all bills paid food on table even gave her a nice car mazda protege 5 wagon. Even treated her son like a king. Well life was great until her temporary green card arrived then sex slowed down and life started getting crappy, and when the permanent green card arrived she left me in the dirt. Didn't even take shit just walked out of my life.
Now I treat all women for what they are tricks and ho's. And I do plan on bringing a foreign bride over and she will be my live in prostitute I will screw her so much that when her green card gets here she will have a bowling ball sized vagina and thats a fact.
If it sounds like I am sour yes I am and many of you are also thats why we are all on the sex web page discussing sex and sharing women.
I would just rather have *****s for the rest of my life. Not many headaches and I never have to say I love you.
Thats my 2 cents worth. don't even put me down because many of you are on same boat as me for feelings no matter where you live in the world.
NoFatso (AW, 05-30-02)
American women are so nasty, fat, saggy, obese, not taking care of themselves.... all these have to do with the guys! American men make them so. Why? The bad attitude, the lack of taking care of oneself, the "endowment mentality" does not exist in vacumn. It is through ages of reinforcement, encouragement, pampering, from girlhood to womanhood. Everytime you take a fat woman out, everytime you let your woman cheat your money, everytime you wine and dine a woman and did not get laid, everytime you pamper her without a reward of love. The monster is not created overnight. So, guys, blame yourself, not the women.
Chocha Monger (AW, 11-23-06)
The truth is AW are only after one thing. Cash. Their means and methods may vary but the end result is always the same
NicFrenchy(AW, 11-22-06)
American women are completely worthless creatures. Materialistic and heartless.
Ezinho (AW, 10-28-06)
We have a major problem in this country, gentlemen. There is, obviously, a war against men in this country right now, but it's more than just that. There is a war against HETERO men. It is no longer appropriate in this country to find a woman attractive; that's considered a crime now.
OwnaFord1994 (MFW, 03-09-06)
What foreign women offer to these guys is claimed to be "relatively young, attractive wife, who doesn't have her brain poisoned by feminism, materialism and puritanism-at least to start with".[/QUOTE]It’s enough. I guess you know what I mean. I know it’s a forum for men and their problems but if it’s about relationship and love women’s problems are also men’s problems and vice versa. We agreed that the reason of your “failures” with AW is partly a problem of culture, personal character of woman and changes in the American society. So it’s not only fault of AW.
I admit gentlemen that I simply like people and I love life, generally. I like listing to what people have to say because I’m not omniscient and maybe I’ll learn something new. I don’t like to take life seriously and I try to be an optimist. Your posts gentlemen were so full of bitterness. I had impression that every morning you wake up and you start the same mantra: “AW are worthless creatures who declared war against us”. No wonder that life is hard. Do you think gentlemen that Polish men are ideals? So no, they aren’t but life without them would be very boring and without any taste ;-)
Well, I want to think, gentlemen, that even if it’s hard to find a true partner it’s not impossible. But if you think:
“And I do plan on bringing a foreign bride over and she will be my live in prostitute I will screw her so much that when her green card gets here she will have a bowling ball sized vagina” or “There is, obviously, a war against men in this country right now”
You’ll probably never trust anyone again.
[QUOTE=Furiouz]PS-Regarding that commercial, there are anomalies throughout all of nature =P[/QUOTE]In my country people say that an exception confirms the rule. Well, I just like to look for the exceptions and to believe that I can find them more and more ;-)
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I haven't had the time to post in the past 2 weeks but some people made interesting points that I want to comment on.
[QUOTE=Ezinho]1. Is it just me, or has anyone else here seen these fat AWs that have somehow snagged good looking, handsome dudes?? Have you guys seen this, I'm talking about the 200+ pound AW wearing bumble-bee glasses going out with a slim, fit AM. Is this some new fad that happened while I was out of the country? Maybe this is the "In" thing to do now, and no one told me (as usual!). The men usually seem like the effeminate types, so maybe it is some sort of dominant/submissive relationship. Or maybe he is gay and just going shopping with his best friend? Help me out here, guys. [/QUOTE]
I have been seeing that for several years. I don't have a definitive answer to the phenomenon. My suspicion is that many of these men just don't know any better. My other suspicion is that the majority of these men need to get married right away for some reason, know that they are marrying WAY down, and plan to get primo pussy on the side throughout their marriage(s).
[QUOTE=Ezinho]2. Has anyone here noticed an increase in AW dating FOREIGN men?? Now, I live in California, so I am specifically talking about the AW that are dating Mexican men. Most of the AW that I see with Hispanic guys are the worst of the worst. I mean we're talking obese, 300+ lbs. Mostly I have seen this combination at the local shopping mall. It seems like the AW is usually bigger than the hispanic guy, and in some instances, seems to be the one "in charge" of the relationship. In a few instances, these poor bastards actually knocked up these women and have kids with them now! Has anyone else seen this? Are these guys just doing it to get the citizenship (that HAS to be it!) or maybe they have a thing for morbidly-obese gringas? And these are the women that won't let *US* bring back women from other countries??? This one really makes me scratch my head. [/QUOTE]
In many 3rd world countries, wher food is scare, being fat is a sign of welath. Fat women aree a sign of good child-bearing ability and are considered beuatiful. There was a movie on this theme recently on HBO called 'Phat Grilz'. It is about American fat women who meet African men who find them beautiful and want to romance them. Maybe some parts of Mexico that is still the standard.
When I was in college, guys form Mali, Senegal, Kenya, etc. were ALL OVER the 300 lb. women like white on rice.
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[QUOTE=Paesano63]""A lot of girls in other countries have a much more "grounded" way of thinking about things, so there's often more common ground between American men and these women.""
I agree with Jelly D, and by grounded, my feeling is that foreign women think in terms of "the family" and not themselves so much.
Men, absolutely are brought up to be the bread winners and having a good source of income is crucial for the support(house, cars, vacations, etc) , AW do not think of the family in the same respect, AW think( clothes, cosmetics, etc)....
I was married to an AW, and now have a Panamanian GF, the difference in family values is mazing. My AW ex, now remarried, still not work, still goes to school at age 36, has house cleaners, and stops at the grocery store for a take out dinner. My Panamanian GF works, comes home cooks, and the kids help clean the house, it is a family effort.
Sure there are probably some good AW, but it is so difficult to find amongst the rubble. AW as a group, think more of themselves than of a commitment to family. I work in an office and listen to the AW complain about their men. Apparently, us AM are not living up to what the AW are reading in their novels. Again, these AW are living in a world apart from reality of being part of a family.[/QUOTE]
I agree with this statement in principle. I have dated South American women. Some young pretty ones are just like AWs, have attitudes of wannabe Paris Hilton. Most of the older (past 27) and plainer women are [i]exactly[/i] as described above; very family oriented, willing to work very hard to keep their man satisfied with them and interesting in looking around, very loyal. They make excellent wife material, but only if a man is not looking for a trophy wife to show off to his friends.
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[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney] I don't think all AW are generally horrible, but the bad ones out number the good ones![/QUOTE]
Exactly! The wife material in the US is few and far between, and a man must jump through 100 hoops to find out. It is simply a better use of our scarce time and money to look where the prospects are better. That is outside the US, in whatever part of the world tickles our fancies.
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[QUOTE=Mmbmmb]Jelly Donut,
Maybe I’m stupid but not so stupid to believe that prostitution will disappear or it will decrease widely. I wouldn't worry so much about ISG's readers. [/QUOTE]
I think you are right. I remember from economics...prostitution is some kind of "good" that does not go away, even if incomes increase. Still, I think prices can go up quite a lot and the supply will decrease. Oh well.
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The problem with American Women is ...
That they are too much like American Men. Fat, self centered capitalists, always looking for a buck, lousy in bed.
Look in the mirror. How much weight have you gained in the last 5 years? Well this stuff is being said behind your back in the 3d world counties. They don't say it to your face because you have $$$.
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No fear JD
Do not fear JD, it will never go away, that is why it is the oldest profession.
Also, the laws of economics. As long as there are rich and poor, there will be people selling whatever they can.
Actually I have not done p4p for a year and a half, I am happy with my current GF and do not stray. We vacationed at a beach resort recently and had a great time. I truly wish to make her happy.
I do not think all or most AW are poor prospect. But us divorced or single gentlemen over 35 or 40 and up, need to realize that the truly good family oriented AW probably got married in the 20's and stayed married. So the pool of available AW that men in that age bracket are seeing are not the best prospects, but rather prospects that have issues.
I do agree with mmmb on one issue, many AW have been sold a bag of goods that they can be a doctor, lawyer, ceo and be a great mother at the same time. I call it the liberal lie, created by elitist feminists, that tell AW to have a full career and a parent at the same time. Then many of these elite feminists turn around and hire foreign nannies to raise ther kids, which to me is hypocritical because they are paying some foreign women a typically miniscule wage.
There is no substitute for a parent and no more fulfilling job. Just take a look at the poor education for our american children, education starts in the home, and with a decent breakfast/dinner I might add. Not Mcdonald or Dunkin Donuts to/from school. How about helping your child with homework. Etc. But the elitsit AW like Hillary downplay the importance of motherhood.
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Mmbmmb - Your assertion that people living in a wealthy country would never find themselves without a place to live, without shoes to wear or without food on the table, is not correct. To afford a house in a developed country, even if it's a dump in outback Australia, many people are left with little or no money for food or clothes. Just because they're not begging on the street, doesn't mean they're not desperately poor by LOCAL standards.
But that wasn't the point I wanted to make. There are a multitude of reasons why people would choose prostitution and poverty is only one of them. Sex work is a means of earning income, which is the same reason people choose to work in factories or retail stores or offices. Sex workers need no formal education or qualifications to get the job. They can (generally) work their own hours, which is especially desirable for single parents or students. And most importantly, there is the potential to earn large amounts of money in a comparatively short amount of time. Why would a single Mum choose to work a 60 hour week in a supermarket (not only missing out on being with her kids, but having to pay for someone else to look after them, as well) when she could earn the same amount of money working one or two days a week in a brothel, during school hours?
And, hard as it is for many people to believe...some of us just love the job. :)
Jelly Donut - An interesting thing is happening here at the moment. My state is going through a MASSIVE economic boom, largely due to mining. People are flooding the state for their chance to earn thousands of dollars a week on the mines. The 'average' WA income has skyrocketed - and traditionally, the sex industry has always operated alongside the mines in WA, servicing thousands of cashed-up miners working away from home for weeks at a time.
But this time, sex workers are making less money than they ever have. My theory? The resources boom has led to a real estate boom, with WA housing prices more than doubling in the past two to three years; mortgage repayments have gone through the roof and in many places, particularly in the mining towns, it's often cheaper to buy than it is to rent. The price of fuel is also astronomical. In a state like mine, where we can travel hundreds of kilometres just to get to the nearest bank, fuel is our lifeblood. As well as our personal vehicle expenses, increasing freight costs have pushed up the price of food and other goods. And the list goes on...
This huge increase in the cost of living has had a rather dramatic effect on the sex industry. People have much less disposable income to fritter away on P4P, so business is getting quieter. However, the gap between the 'haves and the have-nots' has grown considerably, meaning more people are turning to prostitution to make ends meet. Our resources boom has left us with more hookers and less clients. Prices are going DOWN. Service quality (as well as unsafe sex practices) is going UP.
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"slavery"? "legalized [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]"? how could anyone think of marriage in such terms? let's travel back to the 1960s and '70s and listen to the feminist drumbeats. and keep in mind that, like much of what was being preached and written about with religious zeal in those days of cultural revolution, even the most absurd ideas had a way of magically morphing into public policy a few years later.
* "we have to abolish and reform the institution of marriage ... by the year 2000 we will, i hope, raise our children to believe in human potential, not god ... we must understand what we are attempting is a revolution, not a public relations movement." – gloria steinem, quoted in the saturday review of education, march 1973
* "being a housewife is an illegitimate profession ... the choice to serve and be protected and plan towards being a family-maker is a choice that shouldn't be. the heart of radical feminism is to change that." – vivian gornick, feminist author, a tenured professor at the university of arizona, the daily illini, april 25, 1981
* "we can't destroy the inequities between men and women until we destroy marriage." – feminist author robin morgan, who became an editor at ms. magazine
* "if women are to effect a significant amelioration in their condition it seems obvious that they must refuse to marry ... the plight of mothers is more desperate than that of other women, and the more numerous the children the more hopeless the situation seems to be ... most women ... would shrink at the notion of leaving husband and children, but this is precisely the case in which brutally clear rethinking must be undertaken." – germaine greer, author, scholar and lecturer at the university of warwick, england, in "the female eunuch" in 1971
* "like prostitution, marriage is an institution that is extremely oppressive and dangerous for women." – radical feminist author andrea dworkin in 1983
* "until all women are lesbians, there will be no true political revolution." – feminist author and journalist jill johnson, in "lesbian nation: the feminist solution," 1973
* "the legal rights of access that married partners have to each other's persons, property, and lives makes it all but impossible for a spouse to defend herself (or himself), or to be protected against torture, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url], battery, stalking, mayhem, or murder by the other spouse ... legal marriage thus enlists state support for conditions conducive to murder and mayhem." – claudia card, professor of philosophy at the university of wisconsin-madison, in 1996
first, let's be very clear about what we're looking at – pure rage, an all-consuming hatred of men.
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[quote=panamajack]"slavery"? "legalized [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]"? how could anyone think of marriage in such terms? let's travel back to the 1960s and '70s and listen to the feminist drumbeats. and keep in mind that, like much of what was being preached and written about with religious zeal in those days of cultural revolution, even the most absurd ideas had a way of magically morphing into public policy a few years later.
* "we have to abolish and reform the institution of marriage ... by the year 2000 we will, i hope, raise our children to believe in human potential, not god ... we must understand what we are attempting is a revolution, not a public relations movement." – gloria steinem, quoted in the saturday review of education, march 1973
* "being a housewife is an illegitimate profession ... the choice to serve and be protected and plan towards being a family-maker is a choice that shouldn't be. the heart of radical feminism is to change that." – vivian gornick, feminist author, a tenured professor at the university of arizona, the daily illini, april 25, 1981
* "we can't destroy the inequities between men and women until we destroy marriage." – feminist author robin morgan, who became an editor at ms. magazine
* "if women are to effect a significant amelioration in their condition it seems obvious that they must refuse to marry ... the plight of mothers is more desperate than that of other women, and the more numerous the children the more hopeless the situation seems to be ... most women ... would shrink at the notion of leaving husband and children, but this is precisely the case in which brutally clear rethinking must be undertaken." – germaine greer, author, scholar and lecturer at the university of warwick, england, in "the female eunuch" in 1971
* "like prostitution, marriage is an institution that is extremely oppressive and dangerous for women." – radical feminist author andrea dworkin in 1983
* "until all women are lesbians, there will be no true political revolution." – feminist author and journalist jill johnson, in "lesbian nation: the feminist solution," 1973
* "the legal rights of access that married partners have to each other's persons, property, and lives makes it all but impossible for a spouse to defend herself (or himself), or to be protected against torture, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url], battery, stalking, mayhem, or murder by the other spouse ... legal marriage thus enlists state support for conditions conducive to murder and mayhem." – claudia card, professor of philosophy at the university of wisconsin-madison, in 1996
first, let's be very clear about what we're looking at – pure rage, an all-consuming hatred of men.[/quote]
i'm going to cut and paste this onto a text file, you know why?
any woman that wants to claim that they are disadvantaged by men, i'll just bust one of those quotes on them. that will shut them up in a hurry...
thank you jack!
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oh, for goodness sake. you think a few quotes from radical lesbian feminazis are really representative of the thoughts and beliefs of ordinary women? there are freaks and zealots everywhere. the people you quoted are the freaks and zealots of feminism. but they are not representative of the average woman who considers herself a feminist. i'm a feminist wh*re...an oxymoron according to most feminazis. a true feminist believes simply in equality and the right to 'a choice and a voice' as they say.
as for the last quote, (which quite cleary says herself or himself, by the way) it is a fact that for a long time, a woman could not be raped or physically assaulted by her husband in the eyes of the law. men ruled the household, controlled the property and finances (regardless of who actually earned them) and 'owned' the wife and children. in many jurisdictions, these laws still exist. i will not apologise for believing that these archaic laws have no place in modern society - that men and women should be equal partners in marriage and that legislation should treat women as human beings, not property to be bought and sold.
real feminists are not man haters. and real feminists do not advocate for the abolition of marriage. if the essence of feminism is to allow women a choice and a voice, then it would be unacceptable for one group of women to drown out the voices and mock the choices of another group of women who choose to be homemakers. the feminazis you quoted are despised as much by real feminists, as they are by you guys.
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I don't think marriage should be abolished but I don't think it should be the norm in an enlightened society either. If you look at it from a statistical standpoint, marriage IS more dangerous to a woman than prostitution, so those ladies ARE starting with a rational idea (but taking it way too far).
In American society, the big problem is, Pandora's box of sexual freedom got opened in the 60s and 70s, and there really is no going back, but we are REALLY REALLY trying because right now we are riding this huge wave of nostalgia and paranoia. We're collectively like a typical angst-ridden teenager who is upset at his life and joins the skinheads :P
And ironically, in America we pretend to play "family values" but we really don't have a fucking clue just what they are, wouldn't know em if it hit us in the face.
But more ironically yet..... we are the most libertine and self-indulgent people on the face of the earth, we spare no effort in avoiding effort and pampering ourselves at every moment and at all costs in every conceivable way, from the ridiculously thick toilet paper we wipe our asses with to the fact that there is more than 1 car per PERSON in the USA (that's 40% of the world's TOTAL!), to heating our homes to 85 degrees during the winter and cooling them to 60 in the summer just because we can, to buying our kids so many toys at Xmas that they probably won't even get around to OPENING them all, to eating all the richest highest calorie foods the known universe has ever seen.....
We spoil ourselves in every conceivable way, yet we totally DEPRIVE ourselves of sex, which should be the #1 indulgence! We especially deprive ourselves of VARIETY in sex, which is also crazy because in any American city, even a small one, you can eat food from half the nations on Earth, probably ersatz and mediocre at best, but at least the idea is there. But as far as sex is concerned, it is deep in the American mentality that the less people you've fucked the BETTER A PERSON YOU ARE. And fucking more than one person in the same relationship is even more reprehensible.
And at the very bottom of the ladder are prostitutes and people who pay for their services!!! I also don't think there has ever been a country in history where prostitution has been driven more deeply underground than it is in America right now in the year 2007! In EVERY other country on Earth, there is some kind of quiet understanding reached where that sort of thing goes on and you can find it without much hard looking.
If what I'm saying sounds over the top to you (and I imagine it does to many people), I invite you to RTFF. There is NO better evidence for what I am talking about than THIS VERY FUCKING FORUM. Especially check the NYC section for the BIG shocker.
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Girls I have met and funked online = sugar daddy websites
Here's some of my fresh meat. I give the girls $150 to get them into my bed. Most have never P4P before. I am training them right.
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[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]Furiouz -
I feel you mayne, just hang in there, get your butt to Europe and you won't be sorry.
Haven't talked to any Polish girls yet, but my boy in NY has a Polish girlfriend, she's only been here for about a year and when all her friends went back to Poland, she stayed to be with HIM.
She likes cars, he's a car guy. She's sweet, she 100% supportive. She has DD boobs, he's a boob man.
He wanted a stunner, that she is.
Perfection? Close enough if you ask me...
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Damn, sweet, big boobs and supportive?!?!?! *Books a flight to Warsaw* My friend in Warsaw is always telling me to come stay for a month.....
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[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]...a few quotes from radical lesbian feminazis are really representative...of ordinary women? ...The people you quoted are the freaks and zealots of feminism. But they are not representative of the average woman who considers herself a feminist....REAL feminists are not man haters...If the essence of feminism is to allow women a choice and a voice, then it would be unacceptable...to mock the choices of women who choose to be homemakers. The feminazis you quoted are despised as much by REAL feminists, as they are by you guys.[/QUOTE]
That's a laudable view, but radical feminism has sneaked into our laws, culture, customs, and institutions without most people noticing. Its assumptions & goals are everywhere. It is not content at equality & human rights. They want the upper hand, and to control & limit men's sexuality, wealth, thoughts, and rights (angry payback I guess). The graduate degree program I'm in openly demonizes men as they yammer mindlessly about "patriarchy", blaming men for everything & everything. If I said in class that "No I don't believe women in 2007 US are oppressed", I'd be run out of there in a blink. Were I to interview for a job teaching small children and asked why I want to and I replied "Because I love kids" they'd call the police on me as a child predator. 7 year old boys caught slapping classmates on the ass are branded "sexual abusers" in their permanent record. Young boys are overwhelmingly being diagnosed ADD and drugged into submission, courtesy of male phobic female dominated teachers & administrators. In Illinois if there's a divorce with kids, the mom gets a state-paid custody lawyer at her disposal until kids are 18, f*** the dad and his rights. Is it any wonder prostitution & customers are so relentlessly hounded & shamed here? Of course, for the latter much of the blame goes to the religious wackos too.
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i know what you're saying, yogin and i agree with it to a degree - women are finally getting the rights they asked for, but it seems sometimes they're being granted at the expense of men's rights. i don't support that at all. like i said, i believe in equality.
but i don't entirely agree that these trends are a result of radical feminism. truth is, women still don't have a whole lot of clout in the political arena. yes, there are some very powerful feminazi lobby groups - but ultimately, men are still the ones making the laws in almost every corner of the globe. i think religion has a much stronger influence on public policy.
apologies to the americans amongst us, but the puritan/fundamentalist beliefs of the american government have played a huge part in this, particularly in the last few years. the bush administration seems incapable of separating church and state and their influence is spreading worldwide like a plague. dubya's little pet weasel, the australian prime minister, is one of the worst offenders, with much of our recent federal legislation emulating that of the us.
what we're seeing now, is a move away from women's rights. abortion laws are being overturned. access to contraception is being limited. in my state, they're even discussing new legislation to stop women choosing to deliver by c-section! australian women (if they're married) are being offered welfare payments to stay at home and pop out children. single parents, however, are being forced back into the workforce - a not so subtle hint that we should make honest women out of ourselves, get married and take advantage of the new family payments. what i see is an attempt by the government to return us all to our 'traditional' gender roles. married couples, men as breadwinners, women as baby factories. (and i see the barriers to men working in 'women's' roles, such as the childcare jobs you mentioned, as a direct result of this trend).
but more than anything, i think we are witnessing a return to the day when religion was used as a tool of the aristocracy, to control the masses. anything to do with sex, from prostitution to condom dispensers in school toilets, is being cracked down on. drugs, alcohol and smoking regulations are getting tighter. all forms of misbehaviour (ie. fun!) are being limited. and to make sure we don't complain about it all too loudly, they've even limited our right to public demonstration! i think a lot of the things you mentioned, like sexual assault charges against children and the doping of boys with 'add' are a symptom of this trend, not a result of feminism. i know it might seem that way, because men are the primary target, but traditionally men are the ones responsible for disrupting the 'social order'. they commit the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord124][CodeWord124][/url] and child abuse, they get drunk and beat people up at nightclubs, they deal the drugs, they pimp the hookers...blah, blah, blah. they are the ones who challenge the authority of the bourgeois.
you should try telling your class that all of us are being oppressed in 2007.
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Now that last sentence was a stroke of genius, RN. I would kiss you but I just ate dinner :P
I really think over-the-top radical feminism and religious fundamentalism are the same thing anyways, they may differ on the very surface, but below that they are exactly the same thing, the same mentality.
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[QUOTE=Furiouz]Damn, sweet, big boobs and supportive?!?!?! *Books a flight to Warsaw* My friend in Warsaw is always telling me to come stay for a month.....[/QUOTE]
Insider information PM for details and Warsaw is NOT where you want to go.
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]Now that last sentence was a stroke of genius, RN. I would kiss you but I just ate dinner :P
I really think over-the-top radical feminism and religious fundamentalism are the same thing anyways, they may differ on the very surface, but below that they are exactly the same thing, the same mentality.[/QUOTE]
I couldn't agree more...
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I have no love for radical feminazis. Like I said, REAL feminists advocate for a woman's right to a choice and a voice. As an ex-hooker, the feminazis constantly try to drown out my voice and crap all over my choices, portraying me and all my hooker friends as pathetic victims of the patriarchy. Well they can stick their moral judgements up their Khyber. As can the religious right. I'm an intelligent, consenting adult - they're not the boss of me. :)
[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]Now that last sentence was a stroke of genius, RN. I would kiss you but I just ate dinner :P
I really think over-the-top radical feminism and religious fundamentalism are the same thing anyways, they may differ on the very surface, but below that they are exactly the same thing, the same mentality.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]Now that last sentence was a stroke of genius, RN. I would kiss you but I just ate dinner :P[/QUOTE]
Hey, are you worried about your garlic breath, or are you saying that you'd bring up your dinner if you kissed me? That's not very nice!!! :(
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]
But more ironically yet..... we are the most libertine and self-indulgent people on the face of the earth, we spare no effort in avoiding effort and pampering ourselves at every moment and at all costs in every conceivable way, from the ridiculously thick toilet paper we wipe our asses with to the fact that there is more than 1 car per PERSON in the USA (that's 40% of the world's TOTAL!), to heating our homes to 85 degrees during the winter and cooling them to 60 in the summer just because we can, to buying our kids so many toys at Xmas that they probably won't even get around to OPENING them all, to eating all the richest highest calorie foods the known universe has ever seen.....
We spoil ourselves in every conceivable way, yet we totally DEPRIVE ourselves of sex, which should be the #1 indulgence! We especially deprive ourselves of VARIETY in sex, which is also crazy because in any American city, even a small one, you can eat food from half the nations on Earth, probably ersatz and mediocre at best, but at least the idea is there. But as far as sex is concerned, it is deep in the American mentality that the less people you've fucked the BETTER A PERSON YOU ARE. And fucking more than one person in the same relationship is even more reprehensible.
And at the very bottom of the ladder are prostitutes and people who pay for their services!!! I also don't think there has ever been a country in history where prostitution has been driven more deeply underground than it is in America right now in the year 2007! In EVERY other country on Earth, there is some kind of quiet understanding reached where that sort of thing goes on and you can find it without much hard looking.
If what I'm saying sounds over the top to you (and I imagine it does to many people), I invite you to RTFF. There is NO better evidence for what I am talking about than THIS VERY FUCKING FORUM. Especially check the NYC section for the BIG shocker.[/QUOTE]You have summed it up perfectly!
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spring break/tyra banks show
i know who gives a hoot about tyra banks however i was watching her show yesterday because she had the founder of "girls gone wild" on it and a couple of springbreakers they followed around filiming in south padre island texas. one segment was tyra lashing out at a mother who attended spring break with her daughter and let her go topless for the video. the mother was a little ditzy but she seemed to relate very well with her daughter so i saw it as a plus. i dont understand why people pay $25 to buy a video of mainly tits anyway. i'd rather invest in gonzo porn or a nice german rep001 video .
the point where i got really pissed off was when tyra was showing the now sober girls the video of them getting drunk and acting stupid...as to protect them from future problems. the girls had a little competition going on amongst each other to see who could make out with the most guys then they would chart it with lipstick on the mirror in bar codes like a prisoner would on his cell wall. all the time they were talking about the competition they were saying how scared they got when they had a hard time getting guys to get off them and go home. they were scared things could get out of hand. i almost kicked the tv.
why the fuck do you think you can go pulling guys dicks then till them to get off or feel threatened when they come on to you more. it is a totally selfish game that can get guys in a shitload of trouble that was invited upon by these bitches. it just so happens these idiots are going to be in the work force sitting right next to you. college educated my ass. what a bunch of redneck no nothings. its scary spring break and those people are america.
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rubber nursey,
i understand that poverty can mean something completely different to people from usa and to inhabitants eg ethiopia. you’re right, writing "there are a multitude of reasons why people would choose prostitution and poverty is only one of them". i agree and i think it depends more on the individual case. it easy for me to say i wouldn’t work as a prostitute. having no children i can decide to eat only bread and to drink only water if i have no money for another food. definitely you have another perspective when you have to take care of the child. i can’t say what i would do if i desperately needed money and i had children to feed. luckily i’m not in this situation and i hope i’ll never be but i can understand people who faced such dilemma.
i wrote about people who aren’t in such situation. i gave an example of usa but i guess i should write something about my country. there’s also something wrong with polish society if i read in newspapers about "szlaufy". i don’t know exactly how to translate it from my language into english. i guess the best word is "hoses". it’s a word which describes young girls who like going to the local malls and to look there for "sponsorship". they look for a wealthy guys who will buy them something fashionable (cell phone, clothes, cosmetics, perfumes etc.) in exchange for sex in the car. they don’t take money for their service, only goods, so they don’t consider themselves as prostitutes. you wrote that "sex workers need no formal education or qualifications to get the job" but they need some more important features as eg mental maturity which lets to understand the influence of their work on their psyche. they also need at least basic knowledge about std and their bodies. a lot of gentlemen on the forum has attitude "i pay so i demand. it doesn’t matter that something hurts her and i didn’t took a shower. i paid 100$ so i can do with her what i want". i think you know the best how hard prostitution can be. and i know that it’s obvious for you but not necessary for other people. that’s why i’m astonished when people who aren’t in a desperate situation (eg student girls who need money for new clothes) choose this job, considering all disadvantages which are connected to prostitution. you have a mature psyche and you can cope with all problems of being a prostitute but not all of people are so lucky.
and one more thing, it’s ironical how situation in australia is similar to the polish one. after we joined to european union the economy is slowly improving but the prices "went mad" when people’s salary improved only a little bit. you wrote "to afford a house in a developed country, even if it's a dump in outback australia, many people are left with little or no money for food or clothes" well, in big cities of poland the average price of 1 sq m costs 2500$. so when i want to buy 50 sq m of a normal, but without any luxury, apartment (555 sq f? ) i have to pay 125 000 $. so you see that buying a place to live isn’t only a problem of developed countries. there’s also another similarity i see between poland and australia. our governments want to support women and family but they don’t do anything about it. in my country nobody will give such idea like condom dispensers in school toilets. contraceptives won’t be subsidized for the poorest women because the minister of health said "sex isn’t an illness". abortion is legal only in 3 cases: the pregnancy is a result of a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url], the pre-natal examination shows irreversible damage to the fetus or an incurable disease, the pregnancy constitutes a threat to the life of mother. officially there’s only about 150 abortions annually (and we have almost 9 million women in reproductive age) but it’s not a problem to have an abortion in a private clinic. and prostitution doesn’t exist in such good catholic country as poland;.) and even if it exists there’s no public discussion about it (to legalize it or not). unluckily it’s often connected to an organized crime and i guess that’s why it’s very dangerous for the sex workers. but the government doesn’t seem to see a problem. and there’s no dispute how to really help the women. it doesn’t matter if they are prostitutes or not. everyone talks about family’s values but nobody care about an average family’s problems.
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[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]Hey, are you worried about your garlic breath, or are you saying that you'd bring up your dinner if you kissed me? That's not very nice!!! :([/QUOTE]
It has to do with the garlic breath babe! :P It's an expression of respect and gratitude from my native land. 8) I seriously dig your posts and your point of view, trust me!
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Mmb, that phenomenon exists thoughout many other countries. It's very common. Here they are usually called 'kept women' if they have EVERYTHING paid (like even the apartment.) In Spanish they are called 'gasolineras'.
And down in Colombia those women are called 'prepagos' (prepaids) with the idea of like a cellular plan where you pay up front, you know what you get for how much you pay and there is less messing around. Also like in Poland abortion is still illegal in Colombia (athough a recent bill vastly widened the exceptions to the rule), but readily available in just about any clinic nonetheless.
I actually like the idea of the 'prepago' thing because it's better than a guy actually thinking some girl he's just fucking for cash is REALLY his gf, or some girl really thinking a guy loves her when he's just using her for sex. This was is more stictly quid pro quo, although personally if I'm going to pay for sex I want a professional to do the job!
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Oppression
Rubery Nursey is right about oppression - it is coming from the same source it always has: the owners. And they're using the same method they always have - religion. It is ridiculous to blame 'feminism', when the government is controlled by the religious. Feminists have little or no power - if their policy prescriptions are being implemented it is merely coincidental.
Bango Cieto is right as well - the US is an astonishingly sexless society. It is not unlike the Middle East. Alas here in Thailand you can see the Control coming - every year more venues and options close. I think of it like an African water hole, drying up, and we're the frogs. Pattaya is the last puddle, and when one day it is gone - and that day is coming very, very soon - we will be, in a very real sense, castrated, regardless of gender.
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Bango Cieto is right as well - the US is an astonishingly sexless society. [/QUOTE]
Wow. Why is that? Is it because sex is seen as commodity to be brokered away to the highest bidder versus natural act that is as necessary as food, water and music? Or is it because we DO live in a theocracy that is blinded by their own religious ideals while oppressing the will of the people they supposedly represent?
Hmmm..
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i think it's probably both reasons. We have an unholy alliance here between big multinationals and religious interests. So the bible thumper crowd tries to supress sexuality because of their convictions, and business interest try to suppress it because THEY ain't making any money off of it, and surpressing it allows them to subvert that energy into more rampant consumerism.
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]i think it's probably both reasons. We have an unholy alliance here between big multinationals and religious interests. So the bible thumper crowd tries to supress sexuality because of their convictions, and business interest try to suppress it because THEY ain't making any money off of it, and surpressing it allows them to subvert that energy into more rampant consumerism.[/QUOTE]
And now there is another tidbit to suppress sexuality. Researchers claim that oral sex can cause throat and other oral cancers. The link is that the HPV virus that causes cervical cancer can do the same damage to tissues in the mouth and throat from oral sex that it does to the cervix through vaginal sex.
What is left out is that there are 7,000 cases of fatal cervical cancer in the US each year out of 120-130 million women over 18 years old. The incidence of cervical cancer caused by HPV is very small and it is probably even smaller for oral cancer. But the 'vested interests' want to scare the US population into not doing oral sex.
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Women and the Workplace
I have a question for both the men and women who read this thread. I recently overheard two women in their late 20s talking about life. The topic drifted to jobs and one of them said rather strongly that she hates working for a woman boss or in an office that is all or predominantly women. She stated plainly that she wants a man in the office, preferably in charge.
Why? Because, in her opinion and experience, women are too bitchy, jealous, and fight too much for her liking. She said she needs a workplace that is not stressful and has found that women bosses create undue stress in their offices. She described women bosses who brought their personal lives into the office, who had screaming matches with other women in the office, who hurled biting personal insults at the staff, and behaved like they were all back in high school in cliques.
I don't know how many jobs this woman had, not that many if she is under 30. I have had female bosses and male bosses over the years. Both have been good and bad. I was not treated very differently by one sex or the other. I have witnessed some differential treatment and heard more complaints, from women, about the females bosses I had than the male bosses. But that was in the 80's and 90's.
I knew a female college athlete 3 years ago who said male coaches were far better than female coaches. Why? Because her male coaches didn't single out and pick on individual players. The team won or lost as a [i]team[/i], while her female coaches routinely singled out individual players to praise or blame for a loss or win. She said she was one of the best players so that when the team lost a game, the female coaches often blamed her for not playing her top game and causing the team to lose. Her male coaches never did that.
These statements are coming from modern women in the US. What do you think of that? Is there a big difference between male and female bosses? And does it say something about US society that it is women who seem to be complaining the loudest about female bosses?
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I have heard the same thing from a girl who used to work for me too. She said she'd never work in a woman-dominated office and she was about 40+ when she said that.
I have had 1 crazy female boss and 1 awesome female boss. So I really can't say for sure.
Personally, I think it really shouldn't matter. Good bosses are good bosses no matter what. Management is a skill and people (men or women) can be trained to be good bosses. Nobody is born to be an awesome boss.
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[QUOTE=George90]I have a question for both the men and women who read this thread. I recently overheard two women in their late 20s talking about life. The topic drifted to jobs and one of them said rather strongly that she hates working for a woman boss or in an office that is all or predominantly women. ... These statements are coming from modern women in the US. What do you think of that? Is there a big difference between male and female bosses? And does it say something about US society that it is women who seem to be complaining the loudest about female bosses?[/QUOTE]George, a large part of my work is researching and training workplace communication, including cultural and gender issues. You've hit the nail on the head. Depending on the studies, approx 90% of women prefer a male boss (and approx 70% of men prefer a male boss).
There are many reasons why women overwhelmingly prefer a male boss than a female boss. Here's a few:
Men are seen as more competitive than women, and that is generally true, but in reality, women are more competitive against each other in the workplace. Women tend to be jealous of other women's success - they are literally their own worst enemies.
Women managers generally feel the need to prove themselves more than male managers do (usually for good reason), so they sometimes overcompensate authoritarian behavior (or at least they are perceived as overcompensating. So as you mention, they are often seen as 'b*tches', especially by other women).
In general, women are driven more by emotion than men, so they tend to take workplace politics very personally, especially if it involves other women. Men are more likely to have their workplace political fights, then have a drink and a laugh at the bar together at the end of the week, then pick up the fight again on Monday morning.
There are plenty of exceptions to these generalizations, but the stats speak for themselves. Before anyone mentions I'm being politically incorrect, I'm just stating the facts, Ma'am.
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[QUOTE=Piper1]George, a large part of my work is researching and training workplace communication, including cultural and gender issues. You've hit the nail on the head. Depending on the studies, approx 90% of women prefer a male boss (and approx 70% of men prefer a male boss).
There are many reasons why women overwhelmingly prefer a male boss than a female boss. Here's a few:
Men are seen as more competitive than women, and that is generally true, but in reality, women are more competitive against each other in the workplace. Women tend to be jealous of other women's success - they are literally their own worst enemies.
Women managers generally feel the need to prove themselves more than male managers do (usually for good reason), so they sometimes overcompensate authoritarian behavior (or at least they are perceived as overcompensating. So as you mention, they are often seen as 'b*tches', especially by other women).
In general, women are driven more by emotion than men, so they tend to take workplace politics very personally, especially if it involves other women. Men are more likely to have their workplace political fights, then have a drink and a laugh at the bar together at the end of the week, then pick up the fight again on Monday morning.
There are plenty of exceptions to these generalizations, but the stats speak for themselves. Before anyone mentions I'm being politically incorrect, I'm just stating the facts, Ma'am.[/QUOTE]
Those are the facts from what I have seen on the Wall Street Journal web site and Forbes web site.
This broad is about as FAR from politically correct as it can get in America without somebody shutting down the forum and exposing its users on Dateline.
PC is a joke and is unqiuely American...
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[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]Those are the facts from what I have seen on the Wall Street Journal web site and Forbes web site.
This broad is about as FAR from politically correct as it can get in America without somebody shutting down the forum and exposing its users on Dateline.
PC is a joke and is unqiuely American...[/QUOTE]DJ - It's not Rocket Science. This is my work, and it's easy. Stop reading Forbes and Wall Street Journal online, and stop watching Dateline. Most of it is BS, and it'll only make you feel inadequate. ;)
PC may be uniquely American, but I doubt it. I have many American friends, and I love 'em, but damn, some of them are uptight. I'm pretty much un-PC, but I usually have a good time with American girls when I visit the US. They seem to like laid-back guys.
Wait a minute. Maybe wimpy American guys are the problem here. Should we start a new thread?
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Do Not Donate
[url]http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/05/09/america/NA-GEN-US-Sperm-Donor-Child-Support.php[/url]
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AngloAmerican civilization is on its way down, anyone who thinks its not is in a fantasyland. Things like VTech shooting and increasing incidents of crime and sociopathic behavior are rooted in the breakdown of traditional family values. America and Britain today are both examples of societies that deviated from their core roots and as a result they will both eventually fall from their high perch. Why? Look at the young generation in both countries, they have no direction, their adults don't behave like adults. Both countries lack leaders, and future generations will have a much tougher existence. True human society needs a man at the helm, in the Anglophone world men have become lower than women, that is why you see the collapse of society, its based mostly on the collapse of the traditional family unit.
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[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]AngloAmerican civilization is on its way down, anyone who thinks its not is in a fantasyland. Things like VTech shooting and increasing incidents of crime and sociopathic behavior are rooted in the breakdown of traditional family values. America and Britain today are both examples of societies that deviated from their core roots and as a result they will both eventually fall from their high perch. Why? Look at the young generation in both countries, they have no direction, their adults don't behave like adults. Both countries lack leaders, and future generations will have a much tougher existence. True human society needs a man at the helm, in the Anglophone world men have become lower than women, that is why you see the collapse of society, its based mostly on the collapse of the traditional family unit.[/QUOTE]
I partially agree with this and partially disagree...
I certainly DO see American society in big trouble right now, and it doesn't look like it's gonna get any better unless something drastic is done. I also agree that many people under 30 in this country are really fucking useless, lacking any sense of personal discipline, integrity or even ambition.
BUT, the collapse of the traditional family is happening all over the globe! Nor do I necessarily see this as a bad thing. I bet many people reading this will relate when I say that for a lot of us, a traditional family is a fucking PRISON! And let's face it, for women it can even be WORSE than it is for us.
I blame the social malaise up here on two things mainly: the car and the media, especially TV. This has gotten worse in recent years as more and more giant media conglomerates are taking over the entire industry and less and less people have more and more control over what we see and hear. Between the TV the internet and the car, one can wind up living a life where one has ZERO human contact whatsoever.
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]I partially agree with this and partially disagree...
I certainly DO see American society in big trouble right now, and it doesn't look like it's gonna get any better unless something drastic is done. I also agree that many people under 30 in this country are really fucking useless, lacking any sense of personal discipline, integrity or even ambition.
BUT, the collapse of the traditional family is happening all over the globe! Nor do I necessarily see this as a bad thing. I bet many people reading this will relate when I say that for a lot of us, a traditional family is a fucking PRISON! And let's face it, for women it can even be WORSE than it is for us.
I blame the social malaise up here on two things mainly: the car and the media, especially TV. This has gotten worse in recent years as more and more giant media conglomerates are taking over the entire industry and less and less people have more and more control over what we see and hear. Between the TV the internet and the car, one can wind up living a life where one has ZERO human contact whatsoever.[/QUOTE]
I don't know why your always banging on cars.
Most of my social life is surrounded by cars. I have friends into cars, we go racing with as many as 300-400 others that feel the same way. We talk about everything car related, including how to make them run clean, yet still remain fun to own and drive.
I didn't have a car for almost 3 years and I didn't like it.
I am a CAR person and it hasn't made me anti-social
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[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]AngloAmerican civilization is on its way down, anyone who thinks its not is in a fantasyland. Things like VTech shooting and increasing incidents of crime and sociopathic behavior are rooted in the breakdown of traditional family values. America and Britain today are both examples of societies that deviated from their core roots and as a result they will both eventually fall from their high perch. Why? Look at the young generation in both countries, they have no direction, their adults don't behave like adults. Both countries lack leaders, and future generations will have a much tougher existence. True human society needs a man at the helm, in the Anglophone world men have become lower than women, that is why you see the collapse of society, its based mostly on the collapse of the traditional family unit.[/QUOTE]
CBGB:
I hear you man, BUT... I haven't been to a MODERN country yet where it wasn't that way. I mean, you could move to Papua New Guinea and live in the jungle eating grubs and drinking rainwater... and even though somebody might eat you and wear your head around his neck as jewelry, thankfully you wouldn't get fat playing Madden on PS3 or feel the urge to shoot up a shopping mall.
China and India? Have nightmarish problems headed their way.
Europe? Having the same problems as the US... just manifested differently.
Russia? Will eat itself.
Modern society is getting crazier and crazier and there are a number of reasons.. beyond just the car and media and breakdown of the traditional family. Globalization has just accelerated the metamorphosis of society into something new. Personally I find it entertaining that some of the science fiction films of the 70's, 80's and 90's are turning out to be true.
Only a question of time before "the Running Man" is on television, we fly cars and replicate people like in "Blade Runner" or eat each other like in "Soylent Green".
Me, I wouldn't mind being the meat stuck in between a Raquel Welch and Ursula Andress replicant sandwich.
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The big difference is that China is a police state, I have been there several times already, yes there are some extremely poor people there, but the country is clearly on an upward trajectory. There are many Chinese living in Australia, most come to the country because Australia is place that they can slack off and take it easy. Some of those who are more ambitious always keep telling me about the opportunities there. China has also been the reason why the US dollar has not collapsed outright but they are now getting rid of it as a result its soon going to be real expensive to travel outside of the us
wow australia is on easy street compared to the rest of the world sure its not perfect but i cant find a better place to live
shanghai looks like los angeles in blade runner
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The real Bladerunner
[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]
shanghai looks like los angeles in blade runner[/QUOTE]
No, that would be Jakarta. I had the most Blade Runner-ish moment there, and the camera chose that moment to die. Dark, rain, heat, people swarming everywhere etc etc.
No need to make hot replicate women in that place.. unlike what you would need in the US, as I get back to topic..
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[QUOTE=Lomusa][url]http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/05/09/america/NA-GEN-US-Sperm-Donor-Child-Support.php[/url][/QUOTE]This is absolutely INSANE.
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Yeah. Bikes are as much of a problem. :)
Read Steven Kern's "The Culture of Time and Space". Bikes only pre-date the automobile by a few years and it's all part of the same culture shift toward velocity. If you are out for a reflective walk in the woods and a mountain biker comes up quickly behind you may see my point...which I'm sure has something to do with American women in some way....
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]I don't know why your always banging on cars.
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[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]AngloAmerican civilization is on its way down, anyone who thinks its not is in a fantasyland. Things like VTech shooting and increasing incidents of crime and sociopathic behavior are rooted in the breakdown of traditional family values. America and Britain today are both examples of societies that deviated from their core roots and as a result they will both eventually fall from their high perch. Why? Look at the young generation in both countries, they have no direction, their adults don't behave like adults. Both countries lack leaders, and future generations will have a much tougher existence. True human society needs a man at the helm, in the Anglophone world men have become lower than women, that is why you see the collapse of society, its based mostly on the collapse of the traditional family unit.[/QUOTE]
I agree. But what scares the living daylights out of me is thinking about what type of 'civilization' is on its way up to replace the Anglo-American one. [b]Nothing good![/b] Certainly nothing better.
Chinese society? With its one child per woman law and its super pollution in urban areas? Middle-Eastern society? With its religious radicals and violence worship? Latin American? With the likes of Hugo Chavez, Evo Morales, etc. on the rise? African society? Can anyone name a socially and economically progressive, forward moving country in Africa?
I think the world is heading towards a Dark Ages type of situation, where a small group of ultra rich elites living in ultra secure and insulated islands among masses controlled by ignorance and ultra conservative religious doctrine. Life will be very different in 30-40 years.
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]BUT, the collapse of the traditional family is happening all over the globe! Nor do I necessarily see this as a bad thing. I bet many people reading this will relate when I say that for a lot of us, a traditional family is a fucking PRISON! And let's face it, for women it can even be WORSE than it is for us. [/QUOTE]
I usually would not agree with such a statement. I believe that the traditional family unit, [b]TWO[/b] parents of the opposite sex raising their [i]own[/i] biological children, is the best.
However, I saw "60 Minutes" yesterday and the interview with Mitt Romney and his family. I did not see even one smile for even one nanosecond on the faces of any of his five children. [b]That[/b] says something a lot of at least one traditional family.
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[QUOTE=George90] I did not see even one smile for even one nanosecond on the faces of any of his five children. [b]That[/b] says something a lot of at least one traditional family.[/QUOTE]Says his kids are not retarded. Did you ever see an idiot that was not smiling? LOL
Would you rather have smiling, drooling kids from a man running for president?
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[QUOTE=Jelly Donut]Yeah. Bikes are as much of a problem. :)
Read Steven Kern's "The Culture of Time and Space". Bikes only pre-date the automobile by a few years and it's all part of the same culture shift toward velocity. If you are out for a reflective walk in the woods and a mountain biker comes up quickly behind you may see my point...which I'm sure has something to do with American women in some way....[/QUOTE]
Well, you missed the point entirely. I was talking about the car as a vehicle of social isolation. But then again, probably half the world is missing the point.
If every car were actually full of people shooting the shit with each other shoulder to shoulder then it wouldn't be such a problem. It's not just the car per se it's the fact that each car is occupied only by the driver!!
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The Useless Generation
[QUOTE=Bango Cheito] I also agree that many people under 30 in this country are really fucking useless, lacking any sense of personal discipline, integrity or even ambition.
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As a member of the under-30 crowd myself (I'm going to call us the "useless generation") I couldn't agree with you more. I can't tell you how many guys I know aged 27, 28, 29 who still live at home with their parents, playing X-Box in their basement! I see them as kind of like Bud Bundy (from that TV show Married...with Children) but at least Bud got some tail every now and then! And a lot of these guys are college graduates, but since they recieved Humanities degrees, the only job they can do is working the register at Starbucks. And we're the future of this country? Jesus Christ, get me the hell outta here!
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]I don't know why your always banging on cars.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I'm with Bango, I'm anti-car as well. Well no, not anti-car; actually, I like cars. I'm more anti-driving. That's one of the many reasons why I love to travel outside the U.S., so that I can take public transportation. Or just fucking walk somewhere! There's a reason why we're the fattest nation on earth, and it's because we don't get enough physical exercise as a country. Cars have a lot to do with that.
Besides, from all my time spent in South America, I learned that taking the bus/metro was a GREAT way to meet women; there's some primo pussy riding the bus in Brasil, trust me!
[QUOTE=George90]
However, I saw "60 Minutes" yesterday and the interview with Mitt Romney and his family. I did not see even one smile for even one nanosecond on the faces of any of his five children. [b]That[/b] says something a lot of at least one traditional family.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I watched that too. But can you blame them for not smiling? They're Mormons! Poor guys have probably never gotten a BJ in their entire lives.
I'd be sulking too if I were them.
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]Well, you missed the point entirely. I was talking about the car as a vehicle of social isolation. But then again, probably half the world is missing the point.
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I understand that point. Everyone who drives and has a capacity for mild self-reflection ought to be able to understand that point on some level. You are not alone.
I can't stand driving, or maybe I just don't enjoy sharing the road, but I sure do love the car.
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Gentlemen,
I decided to write one more time because I found something what will cause a smile on your faces and what will give you a hope ;-)
Personally, I wouldn’t buy such service but I’ve heard about the real cases of such rental in China and India (it’s connected to a small amount of young women in comparison with a big number of young, unmarried men). So we never know what is waiting for us in the future. Maybe they will even propose same male models :-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibje68pg_8Y
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China has a police state a very successful one, I even know people who would admit that their system of government is probably the best one in a post 911 world, scary, but then again the Chinese rarely have worries about terrorism, terrorists target free and Democratic societies, police states can easily smash terrorist groups, look at Europe during World War 2.
Too many young people in America are becoming too dependent on their parents, I know people who hold full time jobs still living with their parents, but then again the USA has become a more dangerous place since I was a youth, a lot of things happen today I never thought about.
Even America at its peak during the 1950s was no paradise...but it was a model for order on the planet.
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[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]China has a police state a very successful one, I even know people who would admit that their system of government is probably the best one in a post 911 world, scary, but then again the Chinese rarely have worries about terrorism, terrorists target free and Democratic societies, police states can easily smash terrorist groups, look at Europe during World War 2.
Too many young people in America are becoming too dependent on their parents, I know people who hold full time jobs still living with their parents, but then again the USA has become a more dangerous place since I was a youth, a lot of things happen today I never thought about.
Even America at its peak during the 1950s was no paradise...but it was a model for order on the planet.[/QUOTE]Sorry CBGB, but I have to be honest - you don't make a lot of sense.
I can see you want to go back to your Mom and Dad's family life in the 1950s. But it's not going to happen.
Besides, you're living in Australia now (a nice place to live), and as a school-teacher, you have a reasonably good job. Be happy.
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[QUOTE=Piper1]Sorry CBGB, but I have to be honest - you don't make a lot of sense.
I can see you want to go back to your Mom and Dad's family life in the 1950s. But it's not going to happen.
Besides, you're living in Australia now (a nice place to live), and as a school-teacher, you have a reasonably good job. Be happy.[/QUOTE]
I take issue with being dependent on my parents.
I live here because I want too and I have a plan. I can understand for some "freedom" and "privacy" are issues with living at home. But honestly, I'm not that deeply involved in American Dating Sweepsteaks so I really don't need to have my own dwelling at the moment. I'd also hate the idea of picking up "brownie" points with AW based on the fact I live in my own apartment and not at home.
I've said it before, in Europe, South America and Asian countries its not uncommon for children to be at home until marriage.
AW take exception with that and feel I lack independence because of the choice I have made in returning (I left 2 times before) home.
In a few months I'll be in a position to finally buy the land to build my house, yes you heard correctly, no tract homes for me!
And I'll be honored to enjoy my new home with a woman that didn't give a rat's ass about me living at home as long as we didn't live with my parents when she came to live with me.
European women just don't CARE.. Some do I'm sure but I haven't met any.
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Lookin for love in all the wrong places.....
[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/17/fashion/17Dating.html?em&ex=1179547200&en=d5d76a6f64f44deb&ei=5087%0A[/url]
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While NOW focuses on helping pear-shaped women in the United States feel good about themselves, women are being shot in Pakistan for encouraging girls to take part in outdoor sports. "I think the conditions are [i] exactly [/i] the same.." according to one feminist.
[url]http://www.weeklystandard.com/Utilities/printer_preview.asp?idArticle=13641&R=11373CEA6[/url]
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Toys for the Boys
[QUOTE=Jelly Donut]Lookin for love in all the wrong places.....
[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/17/fashion/17Dating.html?em&ex=1179547200&en=d5d76a6f64f44deb&ei=5087%0A[/url][/QUOTE]This was a very good article and men do like toys. And we do take our hobbies seriously. The best toy of all, the pussy, is strictly for fucking. Could you imagine if dykes got into the act? The only networking is group sex. With lots of toys.
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Needing some advice, guys...
I had a girl from another town 45 minutes away, that I met thru the internet on one of these dating sites, seekingarrangement.com, and had sex with her about 4 times. The first time was with a condom. The other times we used spermacide. I only knew her first name and did not have an address for her. I had a cell phone number for her, and she had mine, because she called me a couple of times, wanting to get together for sex and some spending cash.
2 weeks ago I received an email, thru the website, from her that she was one month pregnant and I was the father, despite use of our spermicide. She said we must not have waited the 10 minutes like it required. (though I think we did). She asked me to pay for an abortion or else, if the kid was born it would be my responsibility to pay child support.
I called her and told her I would pay for an abortion. She said she had checked out the prices, wanted to get it quickly, and it would cost $350 because she needed anesthesia. I said I would pay the clinic directly so I could put it on a credit card, not her directly. I said we should keep in touch.
Now, a couple of weeks later, no calls from her. Her cell phone number is out of service. I tried to call her back to see if she had an appointment at the clinic.
I called my local abortion clinic and they said it would cost $440 with them.
I am wondering how to read into this correctly. I think it may have been a scam and when I did not say I would pay her the $350 directly, but pay it to the clinic, she prolly gave up on me. Wondering if I read her correctly. I guess I have no other way of doing anything else, since her phone is no longer in service and I did not know her address, work number etc.
I hope she was scamming me and not really pregnant, or else paid for the abortion herself.
Any thoughts?
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I have come to the realization that humans are humans and will do stupid things and things that will annoy others.
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Npaul1 what the fuck were you thinking????? I use condoms at all times period. I've had a few ladies try to feed me some bullsh!t story that it's not necessary. A few times I've put the session on hold, driven out to the store to buy some condoms, return and begin where we left off.
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I remember way back when I was 22 or 23 years old. some girl I'd been boffing tried to run the same game on me. I'ts an old scam, one of the oldest. But it often works because the guy gets so scared initially that he doesn't see the scam until it's too late.
Rock
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Hookers are Killers
[url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/6693813.stm[/url]
Here is what happened to a rich British dude who forgot hookers are to fuck and forget. Unless you want to end up like this unfortunate dude, just use, abuse and lose them. They are not like us.
This applies to American women and all women who have moral shortcomings. Always remember why these women exist anbd never trust one longer than a fuck. That way you stay happy and alive.
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[QUOTE=Happy Bigamist][url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/6693813.stm[/url]
Here is what happened to a rich British dude who forgot hookers are to fuck and forget. Unless you want to end up like this unfortunate dude, just use, abuse and lose them. They are not like us.
This applies to American women and all women who have moral shortcomings. Always remember why these women exist anbd never trust one longer than a fuck. That way you stay happy and alive.[/QUOTE]
HB are you telling us only hooker's commit these atrocious acts. I read recently about a psychologist who was married to a damn good divorce attorney and was in the middle of a messy divorce........The psychologist realized he was just about to lose everything, so he invited her down to the Caribbean Islands for a last pre-divorce vacation. To cut a long story short he poisoned her and cremated her body. He returned and gave her cremated ashes to her parents. No one could prove a thing and the divorce case was closed.
So, does this mean psychologists are killers? No, it only means there are a lot of fucked up people in this world.
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The link provided by Happy Bigamist (who is right, by the way...I am nothing like him and for that, I'm grateful) led me to two other articles.
[url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6698173.stm[/url]
[url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6698753.stm[/url]
I know they don't have anything to do with American Women, but they do support the discussion we were having a short while ago. The world is taking a giant step backwards when it comes to sexual freedoms - particularly anything that threatens 'traditional' heterosexual relationships, such as homosexuality and prostitution. I don't believe feminism has much to do with this rapid erosion of our rights as sexual beings. It's all about religion.
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I really think that what you said is true, but it is also going the other way in many localities, the world is polarizing and getting ready for a BIG culture war.
Remember Brazil and Colombia recently legalized prostitution, and Ecuador may soon follow suit.
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Bango: Without going into the whole legalisation vs decriminalisation debate (probably better suited to the Morality section), legalisation is as much of a backward step for sex worker rights and sexual freedoms as prohibition is. Legalisation is all about tighter controls and regulations and, more importantly, removing the power from the sex workers and putting it into the hands of the state.
More often than not, legalisation has abolitionist aims and objectives.
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Hookers Kill
And try to justify it by digging up some bs Polish story about a cartoon and drawing attnetion to a gang of Western poofters egging on Moscow's finest and complaining when they get the response they wanted. Bashing a provocative political activist on the nose does not correspond to getting chopped up by a hooker and her brother.
Hookers are creatures of the night, things of physical pleasure. They have their place, like the rake and the hoe and the other staples of the garden shed. Find them, fuck them, pay them to leave and then forget them after you delouse yourself. That is the secret to a happy fuck.
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[QUOTE]....a psychologist who was married to a damn good divorce attorney and was in the middle of a messy divorce........The psychologist realized he was just about to lose everything, so he invited her down to the Caribbean Islands for a last pre-divorce vacation. To cut a long story short he poisoned her and cremated her body. He returned and gave her cremated ashes to her parents. No one could prove a thing and the divorce case was closed....[/QUOTE]
This "news item" has all the trappings & smell of an urban legend.
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Well not in THOSE two cases.
What happened in both countries was, they got new Constitutions, in 1988 and 1991 respectively, and THEN the Supreme courts noted that prohibiting prostitution would be unconstitutional under the new arrangements. So it's very much an individiual rights issue in both countries.
Of course some of the right-wing hardliners are trying to reverse this but they've found themselves shut out. And I can say from personal experience that it is NOT going away.
Of course, prostitution was perfectly legal in the USA until 1915, so continued vigilance is required.
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[QUOTE=Happy Bigamist]Hookers are creatures of the night, things of physical pleasure. They have their place, like the rake and the hoe and the other staples of the garden shed. Find them, fuck them, pay them to leave and then forget them after you delouse yourself. That is the secret to a happy fuck.[/QUOTE]
If every hooker you've met so far has tried to kill you, it's not because they're hookers. It's because you're a complete asshole.
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Killer Hookers
[url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/6693813.stm[/url]
I posted this story. One guy responds with what is probably an urban legent, a few more make interesting comments and one specimen makes a series of posts to denigrate me and the victim of this deranged and greedy prostitute. Let's take a few quotes from the story to put them in the context of this thread and this site.
It was a case full of tales of sex and money.
For this case was very much about money. Jamila M'Barek and the late Earl of Shaftesbury met in 2002 as prostitute and client.
They began seeing each other as a couple and were married within nine months.
Two years later to the day she lured him to his death, afraid that their impending divorce would cut her out of his multi-million-pound will.
In early November 2004 the earl arrived on the Cote D'Azur from England.
The following day he went to see his wife at a flat he had given her in Cannes. He was never seen alive again
The case has fascinated many. It has had sex, money, murder - and revealed the clash between two very different worlds.
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Prostitutes and their families are not like the rest of us. Sup with a long spoon. Find them, fuck them, forget them. Don't get involved with them at all. They are damaged, dangerous goods.
The same goes for heroin addicts, depressives, fatties and any other defectives. It takes a special kind of woman to drop her panties to all comers. No one - pimps, fellow hustlers - has respect for them or trusts them. Why should you?
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[QUOTE=Yogin]This "news item" has all the trappings & smell of an urban legend.[/QUOTE]
This really happened because the lawyer who was killed by her husband was representing the wife of a casual friend of mine in their own divorce case. He described this woman as very ruthless in the court room. Unfortunately her psychologist husband figured he had a lot more to lose in a divorce case and decided he would do her in first.
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Update on situation
[QUOTE=Rock Dog]I remember way back when I was 22 or 23 years old. some girl I'd been boffing tried to run the same game on me. I'ts an old scam, one of the oldest. But it often works because the guy gets so scared initially that he doesn't see the scam until it's too late.
Rock[/QUOTE]Apparently it was not a scam. The girl called me yesterday and has an appointment at the abortion clinic for Saturday. So I went to the clinic and paid $440 to the clinic for it.
I had been bonking her off and on for a couple of months, and we had been using a spermacide. She said she must not have put it in for the full 10 minutes before we went at it... ???
Just wondering if I should have offered to pay half? Or would that be tacky to try to negotiate the bill?
Selfishly, I am glad I don't have to pay for child support for 18 years, like some dads. It was her decision to get the abortion, and the man has no choice in the matter anyway, so the moral decision was up to her. I am over twice her age, so I am prolly too old to be a good daddy again.
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Npaul consider yourself lucky you got off so easy. Like you said, you could have been paying through the nose for YEARS.
Why is this article posted in here anyways? It belongs in the "Morality" section. I would ask that people please respond to it there after this post if they want to continue the discussion.
It DOES take a different kind of girl to "drop her pants for all comers", but that's not necessarily a bad thing. Your little theory is kinda short on logic. Plenty of prostitutes have never killed anyone, and plenty of killers have never had sex for money. You'd have to prove POSITIVELY that the fact that she was a prostitute was more than a mere coincidence in order for your argument to have any weight.
It certainly goes against 100% of my personal experience with WG's. My personal dealings with them has actually INCREASED my respect for them.
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Rubber Nursey,
The link you gave to the article about Poland and Teletubbies is unfortunately a proof for what I wrote before that “everyone talks about family’s values but nobody care about an average family’s problems” in my country. Through a few days Poland has entertainment on TV. Most people laugh at Mrs Sowinska and they wonder what another idiotic problems our politicians will create in the future. Maybe it is some kind of method, to focus people’s attention on moronic actions of our spokesperson for children's rights then rather on the real problems, political and social ones. One should also remember that Mrs Sowinska belongs to “League of Polish Families”, the political, conservative party which promoted her for the position of the spokesperson. She’s well know in Poland of her other controversial actions, for example a letter to the Pope Benedict XVI. She was writing about the lay and masonic Polish media which declared the war on “Church, its shepards and God’s people”. I guess I haven’t to write anything more about her.
Personally I’ve never thought that Tinky Winky who has a woman's handbag can be a gay :-), neither anyone of my friends. And I think that Polish children who are 3 or 4 don’t even know what it is gay but thanks to Mrs Sowinska they will know it for sure :-)
[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]The world is taking a giant step backwards when it comes to sexual freedoms - particularly anything that threatens 'traditional' heterosexual relationships, such as homosexuality and prostitution.[/QUOTE]Ironically Poland isn’t a good proof for your thesis. Prostitution and homosexuality were, are and will be present in my country. The article about Teletubbies is rather a proof for hypocrisy. I’ll give you another example. A son of my acquaintances has a girlfriend. She has a child from her previous relationship. They don’t want to accept the girl because a childless woman is always better as a daughter-in-law. I don’t know her but for some reasons this guy loves her so probably she’s nice. Anyway it isn’t about her, it’s about these people’s attitude that a girl with child is worse because one can’t hide it. For them it would be better if she was a hooker because you can hide this fact and it’s hard to hide the child. Do you understand what I mean? Mrs Swinska won’t say to the cameras that she doesn’t accept gays. Instead of it she claims that she wants to protect innocent children from Masonry, homosexuality, atheists and all kind of heretics.
I think it’s not about religion, and for sure not about feminism. It just depends on someone’s character. There are people who think that they have monopoly for the truth.
[QUOTE=Npaul1]Just wondering if I should have offered to pay half? Or would that be tacky to try to negotiate the bill?[/QUOTE]Well, Npaul1 , if you talk about the responsibility I can give you only one advice. Forget about the money and just be happy that you won’t pay for the child support. Imagine what would be if she gave birth to twins ;-) Next time think about responsibility a little earlier or at least ask about her last name and address. A propos the moral decisions: if you had a choice, would you make another decision about baby? Hmm, anyway I think you have more luck then you could expect
[QUOTE=Happy Bigamist]Prostitutes and their families are not like the rest of us[/QUOTE]What does it mean? That they don’t pay for sex? They have no feelings? That they like money more then average John or Jane? :-) Please, tell me, I’d like to really know why they are different from the “rest of us”.
[QUOTE=Happy Bigamist]No one - pimps, fellow hustlers - has respect for them or trusts them. Why should you? [/QUOTE]Because you are a human being who respects people and who expects the same from the others?
And if you write about trust, don’t people kill each other for money, power or sometimes just for fun? Should I be afraid to go to my university after I watched the news from VA? You can’t predict the life.
Besides you can’t really know what happened between M'Barek and her husband. “Nicholas Ashley-Cooper said his father was a "gentle soul" who descended into "alcohol and depression".” So he wasn’t the ideal husband, what of course doesn’t justify the murder. And journalists usually look for bloody, tragic news because people like to read about them. Would someone notice the case if he wasn’t a rich earl?
But as always I’m an optimist. For sure Mrs M’Barek will write a book about her life full of money, sex and earls. And she will make more money on it then she could get from her lovers. It should be enough for retirement on the Cote D'Azur.
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Wings
Although in some ways, the killer hooker story does not belong in this thread, in another way it does. It is not about whether hooking is right or wrong, it is about hookers who kill.
Let's not fool ourselves. Many posters here get conned into mistaking a paid fuck for a GFE and we have threads on all kinds of women here. If she is much younger that you, she is most likely in love with your wallet. If she is a hooker, or someone else with no conept of the work ethic, watch your back. Better still, dump her.
Paul McCartney, formerly of The Beatles and Wings, was caught big time by a one legged hooker. Then we have that old Texas dude who got snared by the ex Playboy bunny. Who knows how many love lorn losers in Thailand, Brazil, Colombia, the Philippines etc have been done in by the hooker and her associates?
Hookers have no concept of money because all they do is spread their legs for dough. Not for them the 10 hour grind. They regard you as a cash register. And if the cash register can be kidnapped and disemboweled to empty it, all the better.
I could have posted other links here like the Texas women up for murder suiciding her kids. But I thought this one was more relevant. Whether in the good ole US of A or anywhere else, alaways stay on the right side of the tracks. Anyway, my 2 cetabos. Take the floor.
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[QUOTE=Mmbmmb]Well, Npaul1,
If you talk about the responsibility I can give you only one advice. Forget about the money and just be happy that you won’t pay for the child support. Imagine what would be if she gave birth to twins ;-) Next time think about responsibility a little earlier or at least ask about her last name and address. A propos the moral decisions: if you had a choice, would you make another decision about baby? Hmm, anyway I think you have more luck then you could expect.[/QUOTE]There is no point in speculating on moral questions which are totally beyond our control. Women have the law and right to decide when to abort, men have nothing to say about it. I do not like that, but that is the law since Row v. Wade.
If you do not like that, write your Congressman/women and they will laugh at you.
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[QUOTE=HappyBigamist]Hookers have no concept of money because all they do is spread their legs for dough. Not for them the 10 hour grind.[/QUOTE]
Ummm....hello? The thing that makes hookers different from 'regular' people who have sex, is that they do it as a means of earning income. The specifics of the job description are completely irrelevant - they are still gainfully employed. Whether a person is 'spreading their legs for dough' or flipping burgers in Maccas, they're out there earning a living. By your logic, 'regular' women who stay at home and look after the kids while the hubby goes to work and earns the money, must be another step below sex workers.
This has nothing to do with being a hooker. What you're talking about are golddiggers. Freeloaders. People who want to live the high life at someone else's expense.
You make it sound like men are just innocent bystanders in all this - that these money-hungry women are attacking them like vampires and sucking them dry. Obviously you've never seen a wealthy man in action. My best friend, who has never been a hooker, works in a place wealthy men frequent. Even though she is happily married with a couple of kids, EVERY WEEK she gets offered jewellery, cars, weekends away on tropical islands...they assume because she's working (not staying at home with the kids) that her husband is not a huge earner and she'll jump at the opportunity to run off and live like a princess. And if they're doing it to her - a married woman in her thirties with two children - then it's likely they're doing it to any woman they take a fancy to.
IF men are more likely to find themselves in this situation with a hooker than a regular woman, it's probably only because they feel more comfortable broaching the subject with a hooker. A regular woman might take offense at being offered money or goods for sex - a hooker won't. A lot of men also think a hooker needs to be 'rescued' and it makes them feel good to play Knight in Shining Armour....or they straight out think that hookers are sad, pathetic victims who can be bought and sold. I've had clients flash money in my face with such an air of superiority and arrogance that it's taken all my strength not to slap them.
Whether the girl is a hooker or a regular woman, I don't condone screwing someone over to get hold of their money. But I don't see men as innocent victims in all this. These guys are chasing women, often way out of their league, and offering them the world. They shouldn't be surprised when some women try to take it.
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Bango, Mmbmmb - I'll move this discussion to the Morality section.
I figured Happy Bigamist's discussion was better suited to this thread, though - the fact that he has no respect for other human beings made his post [i]look[/i] like a morality issue, but I think it's more about golddiggers, etc, which is definitely an AW subject.
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Cool.
Let me just say HB that you have NO FUCKING IDEA how hard it is to fuck for a living. It's one of the harder jobs on Earth. It's hard on you physically AND emotionally.
What's an easy job? In NYC it's the cocksucker who gets paid $60k a year just to open and close the subway doors. Or building doormen. Make no mistake about it. WGs EARN their money.
I think this issue does have more of an ethical component to it and for that reason belongs in the Morality section.
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BC I completely agree with your comments. These ladies have to drop their pants for guys that look like shit......Guys who are fat/obese, unclean, smelly asses, bad breath, toothless idiots, mental nut cases etc you all get my drift. These ladies have my respect for putting up with all this crap.
[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]Cool.
Let me just say HB that you have NO FUCKING IDEA how hard it is to fuck for a living. It's one of the harder jobs on Earth. It's hard on you physically AND emotionally.
What's an easy job? In NYC it's the cocksucker who gets paid $60k a year just to open and close the subway doors. Or building doormen. Make no mistake about it. WGs EARN their money.
I think this issue does have more of an ethical component to it and for that reason belongs in the Morality section.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]IF men are more likely to find themselves in this situation with a hooker than a regular woman, it's probably only because they feel more comfortable broaching the subject with a hooker. ...[/QUOTE]Most hookers are easier to fuck than non-hookers. I approached a girl at the YMCA gym last week and she mentioned she was a rower and that it was all in the legs. I later complimented her on how nice legs she had. She complained to the managment and they said I had "crossed the line" and threatened to cancel my membership! How can you even flirt with a non-hooker any more?
Plus, the damn YMCA now is run by a bunch of FEMINISTS! Yet they solicit contributions by claiming they are a religious organization that helps young inner city black boys (these are their poster boys)
Now if she works as a waitress in a restaurant or bar, then her tips depend on how jovial she gets you and flirting is cool! You could make some compliment about how good her legs are, and it would be fine.
But if the woman is in a salaried job, not for tips, they get rights and think they are being sexually harassed!
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AW and EU feminism- toxic waste
Reason why aw suck is dworkins and scum manifestos of the world were droped like nuclear cloud on the Hiroshima and women said "you go grrrrlllllllllll". They destroyed family unit, created millions fatherless woman zombies who want equality without responsibility, created child support debt prisoners against constitution etc ad nauseam.
I don't speak to you anymore. And I know you find this unthinkable. In your mind, what young single guy wouldn't leap at the invitation to be a bit player in the drama that is your life, in which you're the lead actress? After all, you're young, female, attractive, sexually nubile, maybe even single. Aren't all guys supposed to leap at that? Yet, I refuse to speak to you.
What you're seeing is the pinnacle in the evolution of an attitude created and reinforced by thousands of minor transgressions. Each a grain of sand in size, but so numerous, they collectively create a mountain.
I don't speak to you because I've tried before. I've been genuinely interested in your life. Yet, when I ask questions in an attempt to build a bridge of friendship between us, to seek a common ground upon which we can both meet, I receive a glassy-eyed look as if I'm bothering you. As if, deep inside, you're screaming "Why are you bothering me, won't you please shut up and leave? " Eventually, I learned that the common ground is neither there, nor is a place upon which I wish to walk. So, I quit building bridges.
I don't speak to you because I've tried before. I've tried to develop interests in the things that interest you. No matter how insipid, trivial, or dull I find the stories of your friends I've never met, of people I do not know, of things on TV that have no interest in watching, I try to make the effort to learn about these things. Because what interests you is a part of who you are, and if you are going to matter to me, I'd like to see what you like. Exposure to new things is part of growing as a person, and each person can learn from the other. A cross-pollenization of ideas. However, you never seem to be interested in my life. You behave as if my life is a bother to you. You're not interested in finding out who I am. I'm supposed to be off in the shadows, only to step into the limelight when the central drama needs me to support you. When my time has passed, it's back into the shadows I go, replaced with someone else. So, I quit trying to learn from you. After all, trying to drive the wrong way down a one-way street is as foolish as the experience is nerve-wracking.
I don't speak to you anymore because you're no different than anyone else. You're not unique anymore. There's nothing special about you. The colors may vary, but you dress the same as everyone else. The names and faces of the other bit-actors and actresses in the central drama that is your life may be different, but the plots the same. You're no different than a low-budget porno movie. Any novelty you may have is purely superficial, the substance is the same. Forgive me if I leave early, I've seen this movie before, I know how it ends, and it's never worth the price of admission.
So, I refuse to speak to you anymore. It doesn't surprise me why you do not understand why I do not speak to you, though it does astonish me that you find my silence odd. Perhaps, you mistake the noise that emanates from you for my voice. Perhaps it's because you're so busy communicating you never bother to listen for a response. What ever the underlying cause for your lack of comprehension, one thing remains clear, what you have to say simply does not matter to me anymore. Written by Voodoojock read read read and think go to [url]http: //awomanagainstfeminism. ********.com/[/url] [url]http://www.the-niceguy.com/forum//index.php? Act=idx[/url] read, think scrutinize
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Fyi
the previous poster made a rambling reference to the scum manifesto. it was written by valerie solanas, who attempted to murder andy warhol. scum=society for cutting up men. here are some lovely excerpts, written 40 years ago:
quotations from the scum manifesto
solanas advocating the elimination of males:
"life in this society being, at best, an utter bore and no aspect of society being at all relevant to women, there remains to civic-minded, responsible, thrill-seeking females only to overthrow the government, eliminate the money system, institute complete automation and destroy the male sex."
assertion that males are inherently inferior to females:
"retaining the male has not even the dubious purpose of reproduction. the male is a biological accident: the y(male) gene is an incomplete x(female) gene, that is, has an incomplete set of chromosomes. in other words, the male is an incomplete female, a walking abortion, aborted at the gene stage. to be male is to be deficient, emotionally limited; maleness is a deficiency disease and males are emotional cripples."
on the role of the individual in society:
"a true community consists of individuals - not mere species members, not couples - respecting each other's individuality and privacy, at the same time interacting with each other mentally and emotionally - free spirits in free relation to each other and co-operating with each other to achieve common ends. traditionalists say the basic unit of "society" is the family; "hippies" say the tribe; no-one says the individual."
describing her vision of a coming revolution:
"scum will keep on destroying, looting, fucking-up and killing until the money-work system no longer exists and automation is completely instituted or until enough women co-operate with scum to make violence unnecessary to achieve these goals."
"the sick, irrational men, those who attempt to defend themselves against their disgustingness, when they see scum barreling down on them, will cling in terror to big mama with her big bouncy boobies, but boobies won't protect them against scum; big mama will be clinging to big daddy, who will be in the corner shitting in his forceful, dynamic pants. men who are rational, however, won't kick or struggle or raise a distressing fuss, but will just sit back, relax, enjoy the show and ride the waves to their demise."
(also: andrea dworkin is a feminist who believes that all men are [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord127][CodeWord127][/url], and that heterosexual sex is by definition [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url].)
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No Justice
The poster below is a little confused. Yes the rich get richer. Bill Gates took his fathers $100M and turned it into $50B. Same like you had $100 and turned it into $50K
If you want to be sucessful with women in the US you have to go out and get them. Trust me. Watch 'Leave it to Beaver'. This is 50 years ago. The man is working at a stupid job where he would never have to wear a suit today. Happy woman home waiting. Ward Cleaver wants to pay the boys 50 cents each to paint the trash cans but they goof off and the wife paints them herself and spends $5 on a hat. Mrs. Cleaver serves her family 24/7 and is sooooo happy to get a cheap hat. OK honey, you painted the garbage cans, you can have the hat.
Imagine this today?
Imagine your two sons were supposed to paint your garbage cans but instead they went out to play and your wife painted them? Then she went and bought a $20 hat without your permission?
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Angry Harry
Hey all,
Angry Harry (popular men's blog) needs your support!
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Join and vote today - let's put down the feminists competing blog!
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[QUOTE=Misinformation]The poster below is a little confused. Yes the rich get richer. Bill Gates took his fathers $100M and turned it into $50B. Same like you had $100 and turned it into $50K
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Though it is the same ratio mathematically, turning $100M into $50B
IS NOT the same as you turning $100 into $50K. Because tax law and other financial structure in the USA heavily favor the wealthy to remain and keep and grow there wealth
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Violence Against Women
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"Stopping Violence Against Women..."
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Recently my average western town (could be anywhere in N. America, Europe, Australia, UK) hosted a conference and expose about "Stopping Violence Against Women". This seemed rather ridiculous to me for the following reasons:
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.........sorry, who is violated?
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The most absolutely exceeding majority of violence in this world is committed against "men". It is nearly exclusively always "men" who get bashed, smashed, beaten, bullied, violated on a daily basis, everywhere. Starting at school, then at work, on the street, in the bars, clubs and by police. And of course there is the contionuous violence against men on the battlefields of war, by other men.
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.....being peaceful, etc.
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Compared to this absolutely massive amount of violence, the minuscule tiny portion that is committed against women is ridiculously little. Insignificant, even not worth to mention. It is also fair to say that generally those men who are sensible, respectful and walk away from fights get much less hurt and beaten. Those who are aggresive in nature, are assertive, loud, violent and non-sensible themselves get most of the beating. Why should then we use different measures for women?
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...equal share, anyone.....?
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Especially when they (the women) are concurrently trying to advocate "equality" at the same time. In that case it is fair to mention that they should consider to "equally suffer their fair share" of violence too - as at least 51% of the population being women - and presently all violence that committed specifically against women would not amount to more then 1% of the total. It is so obvious, we see it every day. You do too.
For all fairness, please let the women be "equal" at last and take some of our burden away by suffering 51% of the total violence in the world as their share in the population would dictate. That way the men will be 50% less subjected to the total of everyday violence which the men suffer at present at least 99% of the time (while consisting only 49% or less of the population).
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.....the sharpest weapon.....
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So, this "violence against women" issue is clearly no more than some more mindless feminine propaganda, aiming to stupify the population even more with still another unfounded argument. At worst it is another tool to expand "violence against men" by urging them to take a violent stance against men who are "accused" of violence against women.
I say "accused" because just by having this finger pointed, any man can be blacklisted by their society, without the need for actual proof. Even if an accusation proves false, the stigma stays and the damage to the man stays unchangeable by losing status, legal costs and even losing jobs originating in a simple false, malicious accusation. It's the perfectly sharpened weapon against any man. The proof you see every day.
Why on earth are men partners in this "crime against other men" by supporting totally silly and unfounded issues such as the above ("propaganda to stop violence against women")?
Are we so deprived by now that we have no other ways to get laid than by betraying each other (and thereby our very selves) and convey our total commitment to all kinds of unnatural and stupid femine issues (breast cancer research, childrens charities, child abuse craze being the others and so on and on) ?
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...being a man.... or puppet...?
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Gentlemen, how do you feel about yourselves? Are you a man? Or a puppet of some femine-biased, man-hating rulers?
Do you ever do a bit of thinking like you really should (because you are a man)? What does make you a man, if you paint yourself up like women do, pose in front of the mirror daily like women do .......or the fact that you subscribe to issues about men's freedom and rights (and not to issues about women's mindless ravings)?
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...in the bin.....
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So, next time they hold seminars about the above mindless issue, you will know where their stupid leaflets best go. Straight to the rubbish bin. What an appaling idea this whole thing is.....
Are there any "men" reading this forum who do not act like women? I wonder....Are there any left in America?
But of course. We have all been silly some time. Time to wake up though.....
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The "evil" 25.......
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BTW there also was a list of photos (25 in total) of the "lowlife" men accused in our area with some sort of assault against a woman. (What exactly the "assault" was not detailed. Could be anything, taking "no for a yes", a touch or even just saying "b*tch). All that they could come up was 25 gentlemen for some vague offences against the majority (51%+) of the population. Now, if we took photos of those people who assaulted men (the smaller 49% of citizens) in the same period, would be the whole wall surface of the town-hall be enough to hold the photos???
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.......yes, they are right, but...
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Let's not be hypocrits. We only go along with them because they are strong. Stronger than ever before. And the strong is always right in this world. The opposition simply doesn't get a say. Why do we have to suffer this discrimination every day in modern American (western) society, and how much longer?
So, the next time you are about to hit another man, think again. Who are you actually hitting? Are you giving another blow to your own already battered status? Are you not smashing yourself to stupid?
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So, I say:
"No to violence against men first. After then we deal with the other creatures."
But you already knew all this, for sure..........
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"Sexual Predator" Laws
In Georgia a 17 year old honor student & star athlete was sentenced to 10 years of prison without chance of parole for having consensual oral sex with a 15 year old girl. She initiated giving him a BJ! They called it "aggravated child molestation".
This is the result of Georgia getting tough on "sexual predators". Even after prison he'll have to register for life as one, wherever he goes.
[url]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16862643/[/url]
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Like we have been saying, its RELIGION you have to watch out for, not feminism!
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For the ladies...
[QUOTE=Astor Bryan]BC I completely agree with your comments. These ladies have to drop their pants for guys that look like shit......Guys who are fat/obese, unclean, smelly asses, bad breath, toothless idiots, mental nut cases etc you all get my drift. These ladies have my respect for putting up with all this crap.[/QUOTE]So agree with you. Some mongers give charming fellows like myself a bad rep. Fortunately I am nice enough to the gals that they tend to REALLY fuck my brains out as they want to be done likewise.
As for the rant on feminism. Bull**** baby. You've had too much sex and not enough conversations with women methinks.
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Open Letter to Our Brother: Mr Bango....
[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]Like we have been saying, its RELIGION you have to watch out for, not feminism![/QUOTE]
Hi Bro,
Please think about this:
Everybody has a "religion" and nobody has "no religion".
Religion is a set of things that you belive in. Everybody believes in something, even if those beliefs do not have space for a "supernatural being". What you make of the world, what different things and concepts mean to you are "Mr Bango's own religion".
When several people agree on certain things and sacrifice some of their own ideas for a common purpose is the situation when a so called "formal religion" is created. However, it is still just a belief and nothing more.
Therefore "catolicism" is a religion and so is "communism" and "feminism", nothing more than a set of ideas that someone either accepts or not. We (well, some of us) cannot accept "feminism" simply because it's ideals are not supportive for us, who we "believe to be" and who "we want to be".
Either way, you still have a "religion" and in fact your ideas might even encompass several so called "religions". Sorry, the ideals of feminism are some that I cannot accept, simply because they are stupid and insulting.
So, we do not support "feminism" and I am greatly surprised why any men do. Obviously not for any reason than to get laid in a very lowly, subservient way.
I think that "men" shouldn't be like that.
TA
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Allright, Mr. Semantics, it's religious DOGMA that's anti-sexual in nature that's the problem.
But it's not any form of feminism. Mainstream feminism is NO threat to a guy getting laid, trust me. And the more hardcore kinds everybody keeps throwing examples of on here are very rare in today's society.
People keep turning this into a women vs men thing, when the issue really is that American CULTURE AS A WHOLE has gone down the toilet.
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]Allright, Mr. Semantics, it's religious DOGMA that's anti-sexual in nature that's the problem.
But it's not any form of feminism. Mainstream feminism is NO threat to a guy getting laid, trust me. And the more hardcore kinds everybody keeps throwing examples of on here are very rare in today's society.
People keep turning this into a women vs men thing, when the issue really is that American CULTURE AS A WHOLE has gone down the toilet.[/QUOTE]
That US culture as a whole is going down the toilet does NOT mean that feminism is not hurting men!
There is no more 'mainstream' feminism. It died in the late 60's / early 70's. The feminist movement was hi-jacked decades ago by the hardcore left-wing.
That hardcore movement is now into man-bashing and male oppression. They, through the public school system, have succeeded in f'ing up an entire generation of men by transforming normal boyhood behavior into a desease called ADHD and doping up millions of boys for their entire childhood.
Frankly, we need to be on the lookout for both hardcore feminism AND extreme religious dogma.
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[quote=george90]..there is no more 'mainstream' feminism...died in the late 60's / early 70's...the movement is now into male oppression...through the public school system, have succeeded in f'ing up an entire generation of men by transforming normal boyhood behavior into a desease called adhd and doping up millions of boys...[/quote]
totally agree. radical feminism over the last 30 years has insidiously crept into the mainstream "thought" of all education, psychology, and the social sciences, resulting in institutionalized male oppression codified into law & public policy. it is the most intellectually vacuous & bankrupt movement to appear in the modern era. read "the myth of male power". the current prevailing dogma is that all gender roles are learned, maleness is to be feared & quashed at every turn, and that all males are [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord127][CodeWord127][/url] past present or future. any poor sap who goes along with feminist bs just wants to get laid in good ol' sex prison usa.
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Of course, if someone gave me the option of 30k which I could spend on a few months vacation in Thailand vs. some more practical goal, I would be torn, too.
[url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/07/AR2007060701898.html[/url]
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For those who so love AW
I cannot believe some men will fall for this BS. Unfortunately women like this have thousands of male suitors lined up as far as the eye can see.
[url]http://atlanta.craigslist.org/ers/356140662.html[/url]
Young female seeking benefactor - w4m - 22
Reply to: [email]pers-356140662@craigslist.org[/email]
Date: 2007-06-20, 8:34AM EDT
I am a 22 year old girl seeking a generous man to help me finacially in exchange for companionship, drinks, dinner, shopping etc..
I am looking for a gentleman! Someone who will treat me with kindness and respect. No weirdos please! You must be somewhat fit, attractive and very kind.
I have a very positive attitude, I like to smile and laugh!
I love going to local taverns and having drinks and dinner.
I work 7am-5pm and am available anytime after that =)
Ideally I'd like to meet once or twice a week.
If interested please send a very detailed email (including a photo. i will not respond to emails without a photo).
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Go to Thailand... and don't come back. The way the global economy is going you really do not have to live in the US to live well. Look at the way the US Dollar is crumbling on international markets. Europeans are beginning to flood the US because it is becoming a cheap destination for them. It used to be the other way around in the past. Or stay in the US, assuming you have friends and family that you are still attached to. There are a lot of nice women around the world, but if you look at their logic, it would not be difficult for them to Americanize once they are in the USA.
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Astor Bryan,
So she wants a Sugar Daddy...isn't she doing the right thing by openly asking for one, rather than stringing some rich shmuck along? You guys complain that women play games and manipulate men, but you're annoyed by an ad like this as well. She's being honest about what she wants and the men who reply to this ad will know exactly what to expect from the relationship. Why is that a bad thing?
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[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]Astor Bryan,
So she wants a Sugar Daddy...isn't she doing the right thing by openly asking for one, rather than stringing some rich shmuck along? You guys complain that women play games and manipulate men, but you're annoyed by an ad like this as well. She's being honest about what she wants and the men who reply to this ad will know exactly what to expect from the relationship. Why is that a bad thing?[/QUOTE]
RN,
I agree with you to the extent that it is MUCH better to be honest and upfront about ones desires than to be dishonest and manipulate someone into doing something they would not do if they had full information. I am not very annoyed by that ad.
What does annoy me is the attitude that a certain amount of money is DESERVED due soley to one's appearance. I am not sure if this particular ad does that, but I am offended that in addition to the money she wants respect and kindness adn for him to be fit and attractive. SHE is the prostitute looking for a john! She has no business telling the world who is worthy of paying her and who is not! The ARROGANCE of it all bothers me. I hope she gets a man who treats her like the commodity she is displaying herself as.
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Methinks she doth expect too much as well.
What's incredible is there probably are some saps out there who will take her up!
I've seen so many examples of idiots here in NYC who pay so much for SO little it wouldn't surprise me.
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My two cents (pesos)
While this forum tends to be overly harsh, the essence of the complaints ring clearly a bell.
IMH experience, AW invariably have extraordinary expectations verus what is offered by their counterparts. For myself, I have a BS in CS and a MS in Mathematics. However somehow that makes me "uncreative", while a "writer" is somehow "creatve". I could not buy a date because of being too smart.
My opinion, as a WASP who views the world in a tech/science/entrepeneurial view, is that I could honestly let the white girls whither while commit to Latina/Asian beauties. I could commit to some women not becuase of their perceived permissiveness, but rather their concern for family and nothing is ever for free. Any husband must be very vigilant to protect his budding family. There is no delusion that a WASP or Asian/Latina marriage would be easy. However, a WASP lady would be MUCH more likely to be concerned about the "CASH OUT" aspect of a marriage versus an Asian woman.
Honestly, there is a dwindling number of wasp guys in the sciences. The sciences class tends to do the most startups. However, white girls expect the world and tends to alienate the ones who are most likely to achieve success. If a Chinese guy invents simple nuclear fusion, he is still a Chinaman and not "HOT". Western values need a kick in the a**. I say this as a white guy who identifies with SOME those beliefs.
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[QUOTE=Striker]Honestly, there is a dwindling number of wasp guys in the sciences. [/QUOTE]
I would think you feel down right LONELY as a White in Computer Science / Mathematics. When I graduated from college in NYC, 99% of the names for C.S. were Asian.
I am not White and I am impressed with your world view. There are lots of men on some foreign wife forums who have quite racist views and seem only want arm-candy to impress other White guys.
What I don't understand is that if even White guys with graduate degrees are writing off American White women, who exactly are they (AWs) marrying?
I have seen many marriages of White American women with Indians, Chinese, Koreans but I don't know if that is a trend. What I saw was confined to the medicine / biological sciences fields.
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[QUOTE=George90]I would think you feel down right LONELY as a White in Computer Science / Mathematics. When I graduated from college in NYC, 99% of the names for C.S. were Asian.
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Is that degree even worth the effort anymore? Your jobs are being outsourced.
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Back on topic of women:
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Got the USA blues -oh yeah!
Just back into the Cali, went on a date.
Spent money on dinner and whew eee! I got two kisses! WOW!
I guess I have to wait for the 3rd date..Boy that is how it works right?
F*ck u and all you c*unts waiting for Mr. Right, cuz I'm all wrong.
Can't wait to get on the first plane outta here, maybe a couple weeks or so.
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I still think we are better off seeking outside of the US. While I have been in Europe for the pass month, I have not talked too, had sex with or got looks from any woman over 130lbs....
I can't get over it! I couldn't even remember what it was like to have sex with a woman that didn't outweigh you! Even as I sit here I got a wink from some trollop that just moved "behind the Orange Curtain" aka Orange County, CA (Irvine for those with knowledge of SoCal) and surprise, surprise she's about 190-200lbs....
I just got back from the Ukraine (most of that trips insights are posted where they should be) and yes you see some "classic" soviet shaped and sized women, however the reports of model types being everywhere are dead spot on! Now its not to the level of Scandinavia because if you like flat asses, small tities, go chase Slavic women.
In any case its funny and I'm in no hurry to go home, I'm trying to figure out how I can stay here, earn some income and chase women all over Europe until I find somebody worth having an LTR with.
A full report on my "findings" when I return...
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2 photos
Here's a girl i met on the internet and screwed yesterday.
Very nice legs, feet and ass. I plan to do her again in a couple of weeks.
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Hardbodies...
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]I still think we are better off seeking outside of the US. While I have been in Europe for the pass month, I have not talked too, had sex with or got looks from any woman over 130lbs....
on! Now its not to the level of Scandinavia because if you like flat asses, small tities, go chase Slavic women. [/QUOTE]
Sad and true! Just got back from Panama. SAME,SAME,SAME...
American diet is horrendous...although I will not put all blame on the ladies.
It's just to easy to grab McD's, Pizza Hut when it's there and cheap. Not to mention so much crap to keep up with in this country. Esp if she is single mom.
Women in the countries we visit don't have half the opportunities that are in the USA, so their looks is their only option for good life and they have more time to devote to that...Just my opinion.
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[QUOTE=Naked Gunz]Sad and true! Just got back from Panama. SAME,SAME,SAME...
American diet is horrendous...although I will not put all blame on the ladies.
It's just to easy to grab McD's, Pizza Hut when it's there and cheap. Not to mention so much crap to keep up with in this country. Esp if she is single mom.
Women in the countries we visit don't have half the opportunities that are in the USA, so their looks is their only option for good life and they have more time to devote to that...Just my opinion.[/QUOTE]
We talked about that with the girl I know in Kiev, she was wondering how women got so fat and to be honest I agree, its not what we eat really, its not even access, its the fact that people stuff their face too often for a variety of reasons.
Women are taught from a young age, your hobbies are to be a girl and chase men, thats it. Anything you take up in High School is only to help you secure funding for college and nothing else.
Once you leave college your full time activities include -
Working and Chasing Men
How many women do you know that do more than that? They only work out to stay slim so men will find them more appealing.
Some women are large to start with and have to struggle to stay thin, I get that. But c'mon a steady diet around 4000 calories is going to make you very big over time, its not OVERNIGHT.
And men generally fill there time doing something, even if its playing video games, running remote controlled planes/car, racing cars, playing sports, or just going out every night, that burns up calories and generally if you stay busy you have a much harder time stuffing your face.
FSU women, ha! My lady-friend makes 200HV a MONTH. Let me repeat that 200HV a month! That's like what $60US?? She might get another 100HV from her worthless ex-husband (she calls him lazy, only bring in 300HV a month)
She doesn't have a car and walks and used the Metro. How many US women do that? Okay in NYC maybe, but then they do nothing else and eat while they watch Idol.
Yes go out in the world and find your woman, she is out there..
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Women in many other countries are nicer for the reason Naked Gunz mentioned, there are more opportunities for people in the US and in most Western countries. If the circumstances were different you would see different behavior.
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A New York Times article about women looking to put on pounds in Mauritania. "fat is sexy" is the thrust the NYT reporter puts on the article; men like it. "Other cultures prize corpulent women".
[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/04/world/africa/04mauritania.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin[/url]
Other cultures used to burn widows not long ago, too.
It's escaping me, just this moment, what other culture celebrates corpulent women? I can't think of any country with a really fat sex symbol. Bollywood sure is not producing them; I have not seen them in Chinese films.
Mauritania is one of the poorest countries in the world; good luck finding a fast-food drive-thru in Mauritania. Fat means "not poor" in Mauritania and a pragamatic man would do well to accumulate such women. I'm not really sure how many wives a man can have in the Islamic Republic of Mauritania, but I'm guessing more than one, and I suspect they cost a few camels (my buddy was offered 4 for his traveling companion in Morocco in the 80's). This sort of color escapes the attention of the NYT reporter as she spoon feeds apologia to the AW.
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McDonald's vs Mauritania
Different type of fat you become if you eat lots of healthy food vs junk and sugar.
[QUOTE=Jelly Donut]A New York Times article about women looking to put on pounds in Mauritania. "fat is sexy" is the thrust the NYT reporter puts on the article; men like it. "Other cultures prize corpulent women".
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Un-equal in-Justice
Can you imagine the same thing happening to a 17 y.o. white kid?
the injustice is sickening... (ps: I'm white)
[QUOTE=Yogin]In Georgia a 17 year old honor student & star athlete was sentenced to 10 years of prison without chance of parole for having consensual oral sex with a 15 year old girl. She initiated giving him a BJ! They called it "aggravated child molestation".
This is the result of Georgia getting tough on "sexual predators". Even after prison he'll have to register for life as one, wherever he goes.
[url]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16862643/[/url][/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Jelly Donut]A New York Times article about women looking to put on pounds in Mauritania. "fat is sexy" is the thrust the NYT reporter puts on the article; men like it. "Other cultures prize corpulent women".
It's escaping me, just this moment, what other culture celebrates corpulent women? I can't think of any country with a really fat sex symbol. Bollywood sure is not producing them; I have not seen them in Chinese films.
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Some other cultures are India, Indonesia, most sub-Saharan African countries, some of the eastern 'stan countries of the former USSR.
You nailed it when you wrote "FAT = NOT POOR". It means you earn enough money to keep your woman more than adequately fed. In prehistoric times, fat women were also considered sexy and beautiful. Then the reason was that a woman who had ample fat stores would bear healthier children, in the event of a scarcity of food during her pregnancy.
You won't see fat sex symbols in movies. But you will see overweight wives of well-off men in Asian and African countries. I have seen them when they come here to the US.
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Open Letter to That Asshole
Dear Mr. Asshole,
I hope that this letter finds you in good health and the joys of rooting. I have oft read your warnings about the dangers of communicating with women outside of brothels. It is about this matter that I wish to share a recent and most unfortunate experience. Perhaps, if I had I heeded your calls to caution regarding these communications I might have spared myself some unnecessary discomfort.
While at work business matters took me to the office of a female co-worker. During my time there I had to wait for her to retrieve some information and she began making small talk during the pause. She innocently asked, “What do you do after work for excitement?”
I, not seeing where this conversation was headed, casually replied, “I go to a place on H Drive where…” I was cut off in mid sentence.
“H Drive with the prostitutes? Do you pick up prostitutes?” she inquired accusatorily.
Needless to say I was quite shocked and at a loss as to how the conversation had taken this most unexpected turn. After recovering from this surprise attack I asked her what in the world made her say something like that since I barely even knew her. She then said that H Drive was usually frequented by prostitutes and when she was several pounds lighter as a college student she rode up and down H Drive with a car load of friends harassing the poor creatures and laughing at them. You see, she was laughing at the prostitutes on the street because she knew that she could sell her meat for much more by marrying a man and monopolizing control over his life earnings. She was a smart prostitute! Why root with many when she could root with one for much more money?
I expressed my lack of appreciation for her wild accusations, the inappropriateness of it all and then pointed out that the place I was referring to was actually a restaurant and bar before she rudely interrupted me with her imagination. I realized then that any single male with a good income and no attachments would be subject to such verbal assaults by AW feminists. It also dawned on me that all of her previous seemingly innocent questions were not so innocent after all. Indeed, it seemed that pained her, and other AW that my resources were not going to maintain one of their kind. They assume that if a man refuses to be a marital slave, though having a steady income, then he must be spending it all on rooting numerous prostitutes and they disapprove of this very strongly.
Therefore, in the future I resolve to minimize any type of conversation with AW seeing that this can only lead to danger as these women only spin evil, destruction and confusion with their words.
Best regards,
CM
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The fat is sexy idea is actually quite true in some countries where there is widespread poverty and having food is more valued than it is in a rich country where it is easy to find.
I think it is still possible to find good women outside of America, in fact it is quite easy, the hard part is finding a way to build a life with them in their country. Some women still stay good even when you bring them back but it depends on a lot of factors. If you live in a big city, especially a very liberal one, there is a good chance she will cut and run from you. If you are in a small town its a different story.
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The distinction between what makes a good wife and what is "sexy" is getting a little foggy with some of these responses. Case in point, it might be exciting to sport screw Paris Hilton, but she's poor material for a wife. At least by conventional standards. So, she's desirable in one sense of the word, but not in the other.
I don't think the article is claiming these girls are sexy. They just seem like good wife material. I think the Mauritanian men who chase them are driven entirely by practical ideas, not because they are hotties.
This is an interesting discussion; for me, at least. But I need some examples - can you point to a celebrated model or actress in these countries with significant heft? We all know there are a lot of big women in countries like the United States and, increasingly, in India - but you don't see large Indian or American screen stars.
Here's the Miss Universe contestants from India, Kazakstan and Zambia - to fuel the discussion.
[url]http://www.missuniverse.com/delegates/2007/files/IN.html[/url]
[url]http://www.missuniverse.com/delegates/2007/files/KZ.html[/url]
[url]http://www.missuniverse.com/delegates/2007/files/ZM.html[/url]
Also. I think an archaeologist might have some interesting things to suggest about pre-historic statuettes of corpulent women, but since it's pre-history it's difficult to know exactly what people felt. I think "sexy" is a reach - it tells you more about the person making the judgement about the object than the object itself, right? There certainly is a market out there for the earth mother; there are a lot of large women who want to be "sexy". Maybe it's easier to try and change the definition of "sexy" than to put down the cheese doodles and go for a walk.
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Even when they don't cut and run all is not roses. I almost cried when I saw my friend's wife. Why you might ask? Well, she no longer looked like the slim dark-eyed beauty that came to the USA 2 years ago. Instead, she looked like a fat cannibal who came into my friend's bedroom one night, ate his lovely slender wife and quitely took her place before he awoke. Now that she has become heavy she has become insecure and will not leave her husband alone for one minute when he is not working for fear that he will root with skinny women.
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Stuff
I checked out those links with some interest. All 3 women are fine examples of "hotness". Of course they don't represent the average woman anywhere but still......
With regards to Chocha's post, I've seen this same thing more times than I could remember. Decent looking woman with a decent body gets married, and after a few short years it's gone!
Of course having kids will take an inevitable toll on a womans' body but that can't explain away everything. They can still do a little bit of exercise, eat right and dress nicely. And having kids doesn't mean you have to go out and get one of those goddamn shortass haircuts that are so popular with middle-aged career women types.
Sometimes I see 5 or 6 of them hanging around together in their business suits, looking for all the world like a group of retarded little men.
Comments?
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If you want to avoid AW (which is really American CULTURE like I said) why not just permanently move out of the USA? What is keeping all you guys here?
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]If you want to avoid AW (which is really American CULTURE like I said) why not just permanently move out of the USA? What is keeping all you guys here?[/QUOTE]
Debts, Bango, debts. Many of us owe money on education and all the other things they tell us we need to get ahead in America. Also, guys who have to pay alimony and child support to AW will find it hard to make enough money abroad to pay those bills with few exceptions. Some might say that you can leave without paying but that would turn you into a fugitive from debtor's prison. Eventually, you'll need to renew your passport and that would be a big problem unless you somehow acquired citizenship in the new country of residence.
One option is to find an American company that would pay you a US salary to work abroad but many times the jobs are in Western Europe or the Middle East, hardly ideal destinations. Once, I considered the bar business in Latin America but changed my mind when I noticed that Americans in that line of business always seem to end up dying quite violently.
Still, there are ways to leave permanently without becoming a wanted man back in the US but it requires time and capital for the young who are still far from retirement.
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Well that is the downside of Western culture, the more have to eat chances are the more fat you become. Obesity in Western Europe is almost as bad as it is in the USA, Eastern Europe will soon share the same fate. So will Asia as its economies become more affluent. In fact, I have seen some absolutely HUGE Indian and Chinese women. If you think the average Indian female looks like that Miss Universe contestant, take a trip to India and you will be back in reality, in fact Indian dudes go gaga over European type females even those that are pretty average looking.
Its not that easy to pick up and leave the US, debts arent the only reason, we are accustomed to a modern convenient life, I have met people who have moved overseas only to realize that many of things they got without fuss are harder to find outside of North America. I like European women from Russia and Poland, but would not want to live in either country.
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[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]Debts, Bango, debts. Many of us owe money on education and all the other things they tell us we need to get ahead in America. Also, guys who have to pay alimony and child support to AW will find it hard to make enough money abroad to pay those bills with few exceptions. Some might say that you can leave without paying but that would turn you into a fugitive from debtor's prison. Eventually, you'll need to renew your passport and that would be a big problem unless you somehow acquired citizenship in the new country of residence.
One option is to find an American company that would pay you a US salary to work abroad but many times the jobs are in Western Europe or the Middle East, hardly ideal destinations. Once, I considered the bar business in Latin America but changed my mind when I noticed that Americans in that line of business always seem to end up dying quite violently.
Still, there are ways to leave permanently without becoming a wanted man back in the US but it requires time and capital for the young who are still far from retirement.[/QUOTE]
Nothing is really keeping me here...
I no wife, no kids and hardly any bills. The main concern is trying to earn income without any sort of tech training which seems to be most of the jobs available overseas. So I am considering that...
If I can figure out how to make money with just a net connection I would be down to move.
I can more than likely be a "lorrie" driver, but I dunno about that.
So for me its what in the world will I be doing for income???
I ran into an American that moved to Sweden after he got involved with a Swedish Au Pair in the Chicago area. Well after 5 years it didn't work out and he's moving back to the States. He didn't really have any skills in demand in Sweden and it took him 14 months to find employment at the Casino near the main train station in Stockholm and that took a toll on their relationship, weaken it and they were never able to recover it.
He finally moved out on his own about a year ago and hooked up with a girl he went to high school with here in Pasadena, CA (not Texas). He's coming back and we'll keep in contact so we can hook up when he moves back full time.
But yes you do need a plan, you can't just pick up and move unless you don't have shiet, then it wouldn't matter, but many countries won't let you stay without some form of employment especially in many Eastern European countries especially Russia.
I would do it and I have some other things happening that would let me stay long term, even without working. However unless I can figure out how live off the interest gained, it would be hard to live in Europe, but easier maybe in South America or some cheap Asian country.
I believe I can find a spot in a cheap Eastern Europe country (my secret) that's fairly close to a major airport that most of the low-cost airlines use and use that as a "base of operations".
Smart people might know where I am talking about and frankly if its get invaded by Westerners, the key is getting there FIRST and mining all the talent and leaving the leftovers and changing culture to the 2nd tier players as Doc Skank has termed those with lesser skill in "the game".
I am so tired of American women I wanna go back full-time I just have to make sure that when I come back (and I will) that I can come back when and how I want, not be forced into coming back.
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[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]Well that is the downside of Western culture, the more have to eat chances are the more fat you become. Obesity in Western Europe is almost as bad as it is in the USA, Eastern Europe will soon share the same fate. So will Asia as its economies become more affluent. In fact, I have seen some absolutely HUGE Indian and Chinese women. If you think the average Indian female looks like that Miss Universe contestant, take a trip to India and you will be back in reality, in fact Indian dudes go gaga over European type females even those that are pretty average looking.
Its not that easy to pick up and leave the US, debts arent the only reason, we are accustomed to a modern convenient life, I have met people who have moved overseas only to realize that many of things they got without fuss are harder to find outside of North America. I like European women from Russia and Poland, but would not want to live in either country.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure I would want to live in Kiev either...
But we're human we can adapt and its not that hard.
But I will say that getting over the counter drugs was an issue in most of Europe and I spent the first 3.5 weeks of my vacation suffering from post nasal drip and stuffy nose. I only found relief when I hit Germany and was able to get something strong enough over the counter to solve my problem in about 12 hours....
I know most people's concerns are over our Media in American and its availability in Europe is on the top of most "need to have" list. Right now the only REAL option is Sky in the UK, but you can't get that outside of the UK really and the other options just don't measure up. Your only option now is a Slingbox or some other streaming over the net product.
Outside of that and the fact and NOBODY speaks English really can cause major problems. English speaking girls are in high demand as well, so you have no other choice but to at least learn the native language. I'm lazy like most Americans (so sue me) and I would think wisely about moving into places like Poland and Russia where not even the people at the mobile phone shops speak English for example, only at touristy places like River Palace in Kiev, even most of the girls speak more than passable English....
Oh the options are wide and varied though...
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Gentlemen and the lady
Nearly a month passed when I wrote my last post here. I checked what changed in this thread and I see that you still complain, not so much about women but about United States, its culture and generally society.
And for all these problems you have still the same solution: to go to ( Thailand, Russia, Ukraine, Poland, Brazil, Argentina etc. )
Hmmm, ok, so let’s start from the beginning
[QUOTE=Naked Gunz]Women in the countries we visit don't have half the opportunities that are in the USA, so their looks is their only option for good life and they have more time to devote to that...Just my opinion[/QUOTE]
Of course it depends on the country and especially on the girls you meet. I could say “ Women in the small village in USA/ Poland don't have half the opportunities that are in NY/ Warsaw.
Women in the countries you visit aren’t “created according to one pattern”. They have different families, education, characters. During my stay in US I had friends from Thailand and these girls had conservative vision of life. I mean no sex before marriage, family is the most important etc. They studied at universities in their country and had hope to find a decent job at home after their stay in America. If you pay a girl for sex she agrees for it only because she needs money. That’s the idea of prostitution. It’s another issue if she sleeps with you because she has to feed children or because she needs a new Dior’s lipstick. Besides someone has to be really naïve if she/he thinks that US is paradise where one can find a great job because in US everything is possible. It doesn’t matter where you live if you want to make good money you have to 1) know local language (fluently) 2) graduate university ( best a local one) 3) have an idea for your own business 4) to be a specialist for example in cardiosurgery (= university + years of work experience)
Gentlemen, you look for a women who’s beautiful, intelligent, feminine, who will take care of your children and who will work at an office making extra money.
Of course she has to be well educated too because it would be a shame to introduce a “stupid blond” to your friends. Don’t write me that it’s not true because I remember how my boyfriend was boasted “Mmbmmb speaks French. Mmb, X speaks French too, you can talk in this language”. Unluckily I forgot a lot of words because I didn’t use French lately, anyway I reminded myself some phrases where X could hear the nasal sounds so he was enchanted :-)
Do you know what I mean? If you pay a girl for sex she probably works in this way because she can’t find another job or she hasn’t influential family/ friends who can help her. Believe me, if someone is well educated, beautiful and intelligent it means that this person has money for it. You aren’t a women so you don’t know how much one can spend on clothes, cosmetics, beauty salons, sport etc to look nicely. I don’t mention here language courses or tennis lessons. It’s expensive, especially “in the countries you visit”.
There’s still a question if you want to fall in love with a woman who cares only of her appearance and who wants to date with you because you’re American, not because you’re handsome, intelligent man.
Obesity
I guess I wrote it somewhere, the bigger city and the bigger salary the more beautiful a girl is. When you write about Asian or African countries you’re right, it’s connected to the lack of food what is unimaginable for people in developed countries. But obesity isn’t only a problem of aesthetics but also a problem of health. If you have 20 kg of overweight it means that you have or you will have problems with heart, joints, cholesterol and diabetes. Besides ironically, often people are obese because they can’t afford to buy healthy food or to cook. They have to work all day so the only one thing they do is eating a meal from microwave. Lately I read a book “ The French women don’t get fat”. Well, I don’t believe that all French girls are slim but I liked the general idea of the book that cooking is art and people should enjoy the taste of food. The author forgot only that if someone earns minimum wage this person has no money and time to prepare chicken in champagne or home made tarte aux fraises.
DJ FourMoney,
I see you decided to visit Eastern Europe. I checked your posts and I had impression that you’re disappointed of Ukraine but you are in love with Scandinavia. I’ve never been there so maybe I should go to Sweden or Norway for holidays. I’ve always wanted to see the fjords :-)
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]Smart people might know where I am talking about and frankly if its get invaded by Westerners, the key is getting there FIRST and mining all the talent and leaving the leftovers and changing culture to the 2nd tier players as Doc Skank has termed those with lesser skill in "the game".[/QUOTE]
What a strange idea. But ok, I guess you know “my” theory about plants and human beings so I’ll write about something else.
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]Women are taught from a young age, your hobbies are to be a girl and chase men, thats it. Anything you take up in High School is only to help you secure funding for college and nothing else.
Once you leave college your full time activities include -
Working and Chasing Men
How many women do you know that do more than that? They only work out to stay slim so men will find them more appealing.[/QUOTE]
I can’t restrain myself to ask again where do you meet such women? :-)
Anyway when I was in Ukraine I’ve heard how Ukrainian men complained about local girls that they get fat when they are married. Well it has to be the international problem ;-)
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]I just have this "feeling" that with a enough time spent I could find somebody around 24-25, without children and pretty much fluent in English (yes I know those women are in HIGH DEMAND generally) or somebody about 21-23 willing to take English lessons and she'll have plenty of time to learn since K1 visas don't become available overnight.
Did I just expose my overall plan??
Yes I want LTR, I only dabble in P4P[/QUOTE]
Why Ukrainian girl? Don’t you like Brazilian, Hungarian or Chinese girls? It sounds like discrimination ;-)
Anyway I wish you luck. Maybe put in an advertisement in “Kiev Post”. It’s local newspaper in English :-)
[url]http://www.kyivpost.com/[/url]
Just do this for fun and write that you look like Tyrese and you love Ukraine, its culture and people generally and you want to learn Ukrainian (Russian) language, or the best both. Don’t write that you’re lazy ;-) and don’t write about K1 visa ;-)
And first of all don’t think I’m malicious. I really wish you luck :-)
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]My dating profiles are setup nicely but that doesn't stop fat chicks for example from contacting me... They don't read, they look at pictures just like the men do
I could put something like NO SINGLE MOTHERS in my profiles, but that's a bit harsh and some MILF's are just too hot to say NO too, its just these examples are basically forgettable, nothing special about them really[/QUOTE]
Write in that ad that you look for an “intelligent woman who reads a lot. You love literature and you always read the books with deep understanding of text”. Don’t put in your photo ;-) You can mark that if someone’s hot you won’t say NO. Maybe your image of intellectual will suffer but on the other hand as I wrote I wouldn’t expect a bunch of innocent young ladies.
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]Where in the hell do I find these women???
I'm starting to think this quest for a wife, children and LTR is rather pointless at my age. If Kiev if filled with nothing but "hoes", no honest women (that can't be true) and I'm not willing to deal with all the visas and shhh with Russian based women yet, so what am I to do???[/QUOTE]
I hope DJ FourMoney that you don’t prepare for death at your age :-)
I think there’s still a chance for you to have a wife (who’s not a hooker) and children.
Maybe try to find them in Norway or Sweden ;-)
Just start to treat the girls not like cheap commodity for one night but as human beings, with respect and kindness. It’s a problem that you don’t speak in the local languages but did you learn Spanish, Russian, Swedish etc when you were in US? I guess no because you didn’t need it in your own country. So don’t expect that all people will speak English. Anyway most young Ukrainians should speak English, at least a little bit.
This is a café where you can take your laptop and to use there Wi-Fi connection.
Sorry it’s in Russian. I speak this language so I hadn’t problems to find places with Wi-Fi.
[url]http://chaikof.com.ua/?evn0=inside&evn1=gallerey[/url]
map of Kiev
[url]http://kiev2000.com/map/?host=kiev2000.com&map=kiev&l=ru&uamap_cuid=78683801&address=1&metro=1&index_scale=6&map_pix_size=430,419&index_img_size=1&scale=1824&st=0&mc=0.643548360494[/url]
A café where you can find books, a cup of coffee and Wi-Fi.
Something similar to Barnes & Noble I guess but much more smaller.
[url]http://www.babuin.ua/babuin.php[/url]
You can “pretend” there that you are really interested in literature and Ukraine :-) if you still want to find girls who aren’t hookers.
It’s near the opera house, Bohdan Khmelnytsky Street 39 (the city centre)
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]I can't jump on the "pay" for it bandwagon, I still got hope in Germany, but they again are single mothers, not ideal at all.
So yes you can find suitable women to marry in the Ukraine it just might be harder to find the model/eye candy types than it was 15 years ago that aren't consumed with Western Culture.
River Palace is a must-see for even non-mongers, but as you said Skank would we REALLY visit Kiev if we couldn't -
A) Bang HQ regular women inside of 2-3 dates (as Telos has been able too)
B) Rent A Girlfriend for a resonable cost
C) Bang model quality woman for half what it would cost you elsewhere, but maybe FKK's and that's the take home rate
D) If you dig deep enough there's a nice, attractive girl willing to return back to your western country to be your wife, have your children and do all the things American women used to do, but with a modern flare and desire for their own identity within your relationship.
Sure they would make good wifey material because the Germans have been cheated on or abused or both and the Ukrainian needs a strong man, but I truly believe beautiful women have dating problems that average and below women have no knowledge of and can't begin to understand.[/QUOTE]
Believe me I have no dating problems. I weigh below 130 pounds and as my boyfriend says I have a very sexy accent when I speak English ;-)
And seriously, as much as it can be serious :-), put in this ad, just for fun, really.
And remember that you can always go to Spain, Italy, Switzerland, Bulgaria, Greece, Turkey and all over the rest of Europe. Don’t lose the faith ;-)
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If you go to the English speaking girls in these countries, chances are that they are not the best. In my life experience the best ones almost never speak English. On my current trip I met a girl who speaks very broken English but enough that we can communicate and she seems to like me. She has a pretty messed up family, dad is an alcoholic, and mom lives alone. She works a number of odd jobs..but she is drop dead beautiful. Rarely will you see too many American women in this situation(I have seen quite a few gorgeous Canadian and Australian women of modest means).
Downright I have BANNED AMERICAN women completely, even on the rare occasion when they are nice I shoo them away like flies. Why bother? Look at how major corporations are now outsourcing their operations left and right to China, India, Russia, etc. I am outsourcing my Johnson overseas for better returns on my investment too.
Honestly, if you do bring a woman back from overseas, make sure you dont stay in a big cosmopolitan city where it will be easy for her to run away. Also never say you are rich or American because that will always attract the gold diggers. Pretend you are dirt ass poor. I did this with the girl I met and only revealed the fact that I am American later on, even then she did not seem to give a damn.
With CNN all over the world, people are not naive that the USA is some kind of perfect paradise, heck no. Relatively speaking though the average middle class person in North America generally lives better than most people in Europe or around the planet.
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Alot of what I said is tongue and cheek mostly and serious some of the time.
Of course their are nice Ukrainian girls out there. I was only there 4 complete days and actually instead of spending 5 meaningless days in Germany at the end of my vacation, I should have stayed in Kiev.
I am open to just about anything, but Asian countries are not on the "I must visit" list.
I wasn't disappointed with the Ukraine as much as I made it sound. There some beautiful women, however its not quite ready for prime-time.
I am not focusing on just Eastern Europe and I already stated you need several weeks in Scandinavia to have success long term or at least make contact with a girl online.
I had mild success on my trip, but I jumped around too much and I need more time. I will give myself more time next trip.
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[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]If you go to the English speaking girls in these countries, chances are that they are not the best. In my life experience the best ones almost never speak English. On my current trip I met a girl who speaks very broken English but enough that we can communicate and she seems to like me. She has a pretty messed up family, dad is an alcoholic, and mom lives alone. She works a number of odd jobs..but she is drop dead beautiful. Rarely will you see too many American women in this situation(I have seen quite a few gorgeous Canadian and Australian women of modest means).
Downright I have BANNED AMERICAN women completely, even on the rare occasion when they are nice I shoo them away like flies. Why bother? Look at how major corporations are now outsourcing their operations left and right to China, India, Russia, etc. I am outsourcing my Johnson overseas for better returns on my investment too.
Honestly, if you do bring a woman back from overseas, make sure you dont stay in a big cosmopolitan city where it will be easy for her to run away. Also never say you are rich or American because that will always attract the gold diggers. Pretend you are dirt ass poor. I did this with the girl I met and only revealed the fact that I am American later on, even then she did not seem to give a damn.
With CNN all over the world, people are not naive that the USA is some kind of perfect paradise, heck no. Relatively speaking though the average middle class person in North America generally lives better than most people in Europe or around the planet.[/QUOTE]
I don't know how I avoid being American, as my Ukraine lady friend told me "You don't look like any African". My Norwegian lady friend said the same thing, she said "I can tell Africans a mile away..."
I can't avoid being American.. and gold-diggers wouldn't want me because the gold-diggers here don't want me.
My search is not over by any means, its just beginning...
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I guess that's what it boils down to is HOW bad do you have a problem with the way things are here?
Me, I know I'm outta here permanently soon, maybe in the next 6 months or so. I'm buying a place in Bogota with my gf and will be living and working there.
I guess I don't have a lazy bone in my body. I wouldn't even consider VISITING a country where I couldn't get by in at least one of the local languages. And I don't think anybody would ever regret that. LTFL and you won't either.
Damn, the other night I was in Chinatown here in NYC and wanted directions for this place and asked this lady walking by. I was trying out my absolutely pathetic Mandarin on her, and she wasn't even a native Mandarin speaker, she was probably Fujianese or something, she was so impressed by me even trying to speak a Chinese language with her she called somebody on her cell phone just to make sure she was giving me the right directions. THAT is the kind of respect you get back from people when you make even the SLIGHTEST attempt to communicate in their way.
But you have to ask yourself, do you hate AW (and by extention the social aspects of culture here in general) to an extent that you would be prepared not only to learn another language but
-Shower with and wash clothes and dishes in cold water,
-Go without your TV shows or even a TV period
-Have no access to a car and take public transit everywhere (but it will be a lot more servicable than in any US city).
-Live where it's hot out with no AC
-Live on a local salary somewhere
I think a bold and corageous person who really knows what he wants could do these things and be happy with the tradeoff. Hell, if enough of us thought that way culture in America itself could be changed, and then nobody would have to go anywhere else just to have a fucking social life!!
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check this feminist shit Man Arrested After Telling Women They Were 'Extremely Beauti
[url]http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/13637370/detail.html#[/url]
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I lived in Australia long enough to become an Ozzie yobbo that most people never really know. Its an art that takes time. I did it playing a lot of footy, rugby in North American lingo.
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]
But you have to ask yourself, do you hate AW (and by extention the social aspects of culture here in general) to an extent that you would be prepared not only to learn another language but
-Shower with and wash clothes and dishes in cold water,
-Go without your TV shows or even a TV period
-Have no access to a car and take public transit everywhere (but it will be a lot more servicable than in any US city).
-Live where it's hot out with no AC
-Live on a local salary somewhere
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I have had to shower with cold water in tropical climates and actually found it preferable to using hot water. I've gone without a TV for 3 of the last 4 years. I find TV to encourage time wasting and even news broadcasts to be of questionable value due to bias. Ironically, I found getting around South and Central America to be easier without a car than here in the US. Many people there didn't seem to understand why a North American would find being free of car payments, insurance payments and maintenance costs to be so liberating. I guess some of them look on car ownership as a status symbol since they're not forced to own one as many of us are here in the US. I have no problem with hot climates inspite of the fact that sleeping and rooting around midday isn't a lot of fun. I speak the local language fluently. The only true challenge would be finding local employment and meeting my current commitments on that salary. However, once those commitments no longer exist in a few years and I can set up a viable business to generate income in the country of my choosing then there would be no reason to remain here. When I leave it must be a clean break with no reasons to look back and no reasons for anyone to coming looking for me. I'm making progress towards my goal so it's just a question of patience I guess.
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]But you have to ask yourself, do you hate AW (and by extention the social aspects of culture here in general) to an extent that you would be prepared not only to learn another language but
-Shower with and wash clothes and dishes in cold water,
-Go without your TV shows or even a TV period
-Have no access to a car and take public transit everywhere (but it will be a lot more servicable than in any US city).
-Live where it's hot out with no AC
-Live on a local salary somewhere
I think a bold and corageous person who really knows what he wants could do these things and be happy with the tradeoff. Hell, if enough of us thought that way culture in America itself could be changed, and then nobody would have to go anywhere else just to have a fucking social life!![/QUOTE]I agree very strongly with BC and CM! One must be able to give up a large amount of the material comforts the US has to offer. I have travelled enough now to see how many people in developing countries live and don't think that is such a big deal. I have no problem with giving up my car. City buses, taxis, inter-city buses all function better in countries like Colombia and Brazil than they do in most US cities. I have no problem giving up the US diet. When you eat meals prepared with FRESH fruits and vegetables and hormone-free meats, you really begin to appreciate food and well prepared meals. Giving up all of that stuff in exchange for a relationship with loving sincere woman in her country is a no-brainer.
My main concerns are with education and health care. I have noticed that health care in many SA countries is just as good or better than here in the US. The problem is that not everyone has good access to it. Very similar to here in the US. The public school system is in a shambles in many SA countries. The private school systems are in good shape but you need to have money for your children to attend them. Essentially, it is the same as in the US. In fact, I believe that if Colombia, Brazil, Venezuela, Argentina, etc. got their educational systems in order, their economies would surpass the US in just a decade or so. From what I have been told, some elites intentionally do not want to educate the masses, so their countries stay backward.
Like others, I prefer to earn a US income rather than a local income. I am working on that. That is my biggest hurdle right now. I do not want to struggle economically in a 3rd world country. It is better to struggle in a 1st world country.
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We are really getting off topic here but George, I swear to fucking God I would take my two children down to Colombia and have them educated there without a qualm. Of course their mom has custody and she does quite well with them. They get by pretty well because we did INSANE amounts of research and found just about the best educational bang for the buck in the whole Tri-State area so I'm not too worried about them. But my gf's son in Bogota is gonna graduate 2 whole years ahead of them in terms of what they learn, and his education is still quite a bit cheaper than my kids' is.
I think if SA ever really gets their shit together with Mercosur they will REALLY come into their own. It's still a rocky road now, but nobody thought the EU would do it either.
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Armed with the "Law..."
the end of "good-will"
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first there was courtesy....
then came the law.....
[url]http://www.megalaw.com/top/gender.php[/url]
[url]http://www.usdoj.gov/ovw/[/url]
[url]http://www.feminist.org/911/harass.html[/url]
thsi is not a perfect world. in fact it seems to be more rotten every year. maybe we were all "innocent" one day, however it was long ago for most of us.
as i said, first there was common courtesy...... then came the "law". you cannot deny the fact that ever more increasingly the women try to "arm themselves" with an ever growing multitude of laws and regulations about interaction between the sexes.
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"we should review the law regarding the conditions of sexual assault and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]......" or "we need more cops and sex-laws ...."is a never ending national headline.
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yes, babe you have the cops watching your ass now and the cameras on every street. but as far as a growing majority of men are concerned, this is also the end of common courtesy.... see what happens in town. was it worth it with all the stupid laws?
one day:
i was travelling on the bus. crowded peak traffic. pregnant woman stands in the middle, hanging desperately to the bar on the roof. several men sitting around. i can't resist smiling voyeuristically, while thinking like this:
'you know what baby? just stand like everyone else. after all we are equal. for what i know, you might even be a lesbo, and your kid came from a test tube. you are no man's girl. fuck yourself and call the cops if you want. they will give their seat to you.'
obviously many guys felt the same because she was left standing to the last stop.
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another day:
a young woman's handbag gets caught in the door of a train pulling out of the station. she desperately calls for help: "help, somebody help, please! "
am i evil to think like this?: 'you know what, lady? get your own fucking bag out ......or call the cops, they will help you!'
obviously other guys felt the same way while doing nothhing but watching her amusedly. hehe....
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and again:
woman loaded with shopping, with a small kid in tow and another on the arm calls me:
"could you please help me and carry my baby carriage to the car?"
am i evil to think this way?: 'you know what? carry your own fucking baby carriage for yourself. ......or call the cops, they will carry it for you. i give you the number of the cop-station to call.'
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plus my favorite:
crippled woman in the wheelchair trying to get on the train, hopelessly unable to bridge the gap between the platform and the carriage.
are we evil to think this way?: 'you know what? call the cops, they will help you. i sure as fuck that won't.'
i watched her struggle for a while and then walked on.
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and one day i am sure even this will happen:
woman screaming under two attackers, trying to get into her panties (for free!) on a dark streetcorner in downtown ny. "help! hellllllppppp! plleeeeesssss!"
are we evil to think this way?: 'you know what? why don't you call the cops....for yourself, you fuck! '
we watch the show for a while as the two poor street-dwellers please themselves on her meat (for free!), (because they could never afford it otherwise) and then we walk on totally disinterested.
hmm, yes ma'am. make more laws. pleeeessss.
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you have probably realised the same by now. there might be a multitude of new laws every year, and ten times as many cops plus the cameras. enjoy it ladies. however, the courtesy is all gone. the goodwill? none of that left. none what-so-ever. so, if you are in shit...... call the cops. for yourselves.
and we have to please you no more. because we get laid "cheaper than free" in cambodia, south america or thailand. (long live sex-tourism...!).
oh, yes then there will come the "laws against sex-tourism". it is inevitable. in fact already coming. under the disguise of "anti-aids campaigns" and "child-protection".
what i am surprised is that how many men still believe them. if you take the effort and look into them, both issues will prove superficial and totally malevolent, simply more attacks against men.
but who has the time to actually think? it is much easier to just repeat what we hear on the news. why think? just repeat. fuck, it seems to work well.....
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guys, you have to talk more with women. they will tell you the truth about everything. 'cos they know....
"darl' i need a new haircut, don't you think? and this color really doesn't suit me....maybe i should try pink instead?"
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end of story
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My God. I now understand COMPLETELY why American Women are the way they are.
I'll never criticise Aussie men again...
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Well in life you have to give some and take some. Americans have probably the most comfortable living standard on the planet. Spend some time overseas, I have been in Europe over the past two months spending an extended period of time and it is nowhere near as comfortable as living in North America. People even stare at my clothes and shoes in amazement, and I am spending time in the richest country in Europe, Germany. In general I have found German women to be easier to pick up than those in America, I have also met of a lot of EE women as well who I think are better. People will be people, a lot of the reason why these women appear to be nicer has to do with their circumstances, they do not have half of the opportunities that women in the US, Canada, UK, or Australia have. I met a beautiful EE type and she was talking about her life, doing a lot of dead end jobs in Germany, working in McDonalds, cleaning motels, etc., you do not see women of this calibre doing this kind of work in an English speaking country.
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[QUOTE=That Asshole]Woman screaming under two attackers, trying to get into her panties (for free!) on a dark streetcorner in downtown NY. "Help! Hellllllppppp! Plleeeeesssss!"[/QUOTE]
Well, it's happened in Queens, right?
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitty_Genovese[/url]
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[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur].... doing a lot of dead end jobs in Germany, working in McDonalds, cleaning motels, etc., you do not see women of this calibre doing this kind of work in an English speaking country.[/QUOTE]
That's because women "of that calibre" never need to work at those kind of jobs.... not in cities anyways. Sometimes you'll see some pretty hot girls working at a lowly job of you're in a small town, but that's about it.
Why would this be so? Simple, a hot woman is too highly valued by men to ever work at a job like that. If she doesn't know it, the men will soon make her aware of the fact. Even if a really good-looking girl was working a job like that..... guess what would happen? A never-ending parade of guys hitting on her until one comes along that she likes. Pretty soon, she either has a better job cause he's hooked her up..... or she doesn't need to work anymore cause she's married (or the guy's paying for everything which amounts to the same thing).
I'd love to hear anyone try and convince me it aint so.
Rock
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That is exactly my point, there is a lot more economic comfort in NA than in other parts of the world. So of course women will behave differently. Montreal is
an exception,its one of the few places in North America where you will find hot women working in McDonalds.
Environment plays a major role in how a person behaves.
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[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]Americans have probably the most comfortable living standard on the planet. Spend some time overseas, I have been in Europe over the past two months spending an extended period of time and it is nowhere near as comfortable as living in North America. [/QUOTE]
A complete falsehood CBGB.......Here are the World's Top 10 - Countries with Highest Standard of Living
Country
1. Norway
2. Sweden
3. Canada
4. Belgium
5. Australia
6. United States
7. Iceland
8. Netherlands
9. Japan
10. Finland
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Astor,
These lists are a dime a dozen, and they're based on so many different factors. Many of which don't have as much influence on the kinds of attitudes people have.
Still, I would suggest you go ask the men in these countries what they think of the local women. You might be surprised at how low the opinions would be. Not too sure about Norway and Belgium, but you see a ton of guys from the other countries you listed..... where? On international dating websites.
USA ranked 6th place? That's still pretty high considering there's like 192 countries in the world. Right?
Rock
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The UN probably makes up the lists *NOT*
Get over it, you are #6 this year and that's it. Damn right all essential factors have been taken into account when publishing these lists.
Guys from Germany and other EU countries go for P4P in SEA or elsewhere for fun. It's simple and a different experience. Anyone marrying an imported wife is tagged 'loser'. It's basically written on your forehead didn't-meet-local-standards.
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[QUOTE=Leeuwen]Get over it, you are #6 this year and that's it. Damn right all essential factors have been taken into account when publishing these lists.
Guys from Germany and other EU countries go for P4P in SEA or elsewhere for fun. It's simple and a different experience. Anyone marrying an imported wife is tagged 'loser'. It's basically written on your forehead didn't-meet-local-standards.[/QUOTE]
It is true that white guys with Asian brides in particular are looked at with disdain, as is often the girl... particularly if the guy isn't good looking in any way. It's not really fair, after all some of the relationships could be excellent.
Sometimes it occurs with EE or Brazilian wives as well, but then the looks are often one of jealousy... guys jealous of the sex the guy is getting and girls jealous of how hot she looks in them tight jeans... :)
As for the standard of living list, it means very little. Would I rather live in Belgium? I think not. Is Europe a better place for women than the US? It is for me. It's all relative.
As for it's effect on sex tourism/bride-seeking/sexual tastes, there are plenty of German, Scandi etc. guys in EE and SEA looking for brides... so something isn't going right at home.
Plenty of German and Scandi women looking for foreign men in Southern Europe, Turkey or the Caribbean, usually of a different skin shade, on a poorly disguised sex holiday too, so I guess the pendelum swings both ways.
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[quote=astor bryan]a complete falsehood cbgb.......here are the world's top 10 - countries with highest standard of living
country
1. [i]norway[/i]
2. [i]sweden[/i]
3. canada
4. belgium
5. australia
6. united states
7. [i]iceland[/i]
8. netherlands
9. japan
10. [i]finland[/i][/quote]
scandinavia is one of the more expensive places to live period, i don't believe it has to do with standard of living compared to ours. after spending time in norway, they have access to the same things we do, its a socialist country so health care is not an issue and also the government will not children go uneducated, hungry or unclothed. my friend who lives there is a single mother with 4 kids, gets no support from any of the children's fathers (2 have been deported africans), works as a nurse and is better off than 90% of the single mothers i know in the states with half as many children or even one child.
both countries (norway and sweden) are semi-isolated, which makes getting products more costly. companies and businesses have to pass the extra expense onto to consumer.
they also have very rude winters and that adds to transportation cost.
as rock said there several factors to consider before using such list to back up your argument.
we have a high standard of living because things are fairly cheap; mostly because of the shear size of our population and country.
we produce more wheat & corn in iowa than they do in many countries. we product 2-3 times as many soybeans as the next country on the list and this is generally done by 4-5 states in the middle of the country with a total size larger than germany.
we produce more cars than anybody else, including japan. when you add up gross production, that's why we can afford cars because the price is less than it is in europe for many of the same products.
competition also brings about affordablity (that's not a word) and even with a low paying job such as pep boys, walmart, and taco bell, you can still afford a place to stay, even some entertainment and maybe a car if bought it used.
you can't do that in more than 95% of the countries on earth and that's even with national health care systems in place and we don't have that, yet.
you can convert your american dollars which are pretty much worthless in europe and for sure in england to pesos and live like a king in angel city for example. i can take $1500 us and live high on the hog in kiev (that's $7300 grivna).
if i stayed away from p4p and only focused on "freebies" in ee, i would have plenty to live on for 6 months or more and even maintain my standard of living (high speed internet, cable tv, nicely furished flat, lcd tv, even a car...)
i am seriously considering that...
but in the end, even if my to be wife wants to stay in europe i feel our best opportunities are still in the us of a.
norway and sweden are too cold in the winter, for me to tolerate that i my girl would have to be a 9 and minx in bed for real. i don't want to even think about how cold it is or i have to put snow tires on the car.
for my money germany is the place to live, though berlin is where i would live and unemployment is i believe 12% as was told to me by a berliner visiting frankfurt for some while doing contract work.
finding work overseas is your biggest issue and unless you can find suitable work to maintain your standard of living you might want to reconsider being an expat...
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[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]It is true that white guys with Asian brides in particular are looked at with disdain, as is often the girl... particularly if the guy isn't good looking in any way. It's not really fair, after all some of the relationships could be excellent.
Sometimes it occurs with EE or Brazilian wives as well, but then the looks are often one of jealousy... guys jealous of the sex the guy is getting and girls jealous of how hot she looks in them tight jeans... :)
As for the standard of living list, it means very little. Would I rather live in Belgium? I think not. Is Europe a better place for women than the US? It is for me. It's all relative.
As for it's effect on sex tourism/bride-seeking/sexual tastes, there are plenty of German, Scandi etc. guys in EE and SEA looking for brides... so something isn't going right at home.
Plenty of German and Scandi women looking for foreign men in Southern Europe, Turkey or the Caribbean, usually of a different skin shade, on a poorly disguised sex holiday too, so I guess the pendelum swings both ways.[/QUOTE]
One of Doc's loaded answers...lol
Scani women complain how locals treat them. That's why they look elsewhere but as English is there 2nd language if they consider relocation is almost always universally the United States...
You can say that about many Western European women, they want to maintain that same standard of living and its hard to do that elsewhere.
Eastern European women have reservations about culture differences, the lack of Russian people in whatever area they move too and if they are over 30 their general lack of English speaking skills often scares them into wanted to stay "locally" in Europe.
Younger women are a bit more adventurous...
My lady friend told me about her best friend who's husband was a local airline pilot that was offered a job in the States to fly for one our international carriers for substantially more income. He had reservations about living in the US and his wife threaten to leave him if he didn't take the job.
Well he took the job, came back to visit his wife twice a year until he earned his green card and eventually became a American citizen. Now an American, he went and got his wife, simple and now they live in San Fran.
She complains about the lack of Russian meeting places, Russian people, Russian speaking friends, etc, etc, but would she move back to the Ukraine - HELL NO
Proving ONCE again OUR standard of living is KING, period end of story...
America is what you make of it, I can't say it any simpler than that.
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[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Plenty of German and Scandi women looking for foreign men in Southern Europe, Turkey or the Caribbean, usually of a different skin shade, on a poorly disguised sex holiday too, so I guess the pendelum swings both ways.[/QUOTE]
Seriously, these women are either elderly, often divorced, perhaps abandoned, and looking for spicey romance with black beach boys in Gambia, West Indies and such, OR young and horny and fucking around in Greece, Spain or Turkey. Of course when back home they put on the good girl mask and behave like nothing have ever happened.
Marriage with a lover boy from some distant country is in most cases out of question. Social stigma is even more pronounced when it comes to women, as they are supposed to be chosen (by local men). Men on the other hand have to 'meet standards'.
Also men, despite very liberal mindset among Europeans, are supposed to be bread winners, providers and have a future to offer. It makes me wonder how successul seasoned Britons, Germans in SEA actually are. Personally I'm busy making money and watching professional career.
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[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]One of Doc's loaded answers...lol
She complains about the lack of Russian meeting places, Russian people, Russian speaking friends, etc, etc, but would she move back to the Ukraine - HELL NO
Proving ONCE again OUR standard of living is KING, period end of story...
America is what you make of it, I can't say it any simpler than that.[/QUOTE]
With all due respect, but you can't make a statment like that, based on some _Ukrainian_ couple's choice where to live. I bet they had not too many options, did they? People in former Soviet republics tend to believe anything is better than where they currently live. Of course I don't question higer salaries in the USA vs. Ukraine.
A qualified guess is telling me there are more Eastern Europeans in EU that in the USA. Analogy - Is OUR standard of living KING, or is yours? Nevermind, it was a rethoric question, but I hope you understand your conclusion was inaccurate.
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[QUOTE=Leeuwen]
1. Anyone marrying an imported wife is tagged 'loser'. It's basically written on your forehead didn't-meet-local-standards.
2. Marriage with a lover boy from some distant country is in most cases out of question. Social stigma is even more pronounced when it comes to women, as they are supposed to be chosen (by local men).
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Hey there Leeuwen,
You made a couple of points that I would like to respond to.
1. This idea is for people that have been brainwashed by female propaganda. Why is it assumed that the man didn't meet "local standards"? Maybe the man got sick and tired of crappy local women and went somewhere else for a woman that met HIS standards.
This is exactly what I did. I went to Zambia and found the hottest woman you could imagine. Me? I'm 6'1" and 190 lbs in good shape too. That's 1.85 M and 90 kilos. I have my own business and make over 200,000 dollars a year. I honestly doubt that the local women here could seriously say I fail to meet their standards.
2. Women do not get chosen by men. Men get chosen by women. Men may approach a woman that they are interested in, but it is the woman who decides whether or not things will ever progress beyond "hello".
Here in Canada and the USA, it has become rather futile to bother approaching an attractive woman in the hopes of starting a relationship of any kind. Why? Because they are such a slim minority (pun intended) the ratio of willing men to attractive females is probably more than 50 to 1. As a result, you have a lot of desperate men hoping for a chance with one of these local women...... and a few smart ones who go and actually get one somewhere else. Or they just say "the hell with it" and pay for sex with a good looking one rather than compromise their standards.
Rock
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[QUOTE=Leeuwen]With all due respect, but you can't make a statment like that, based on some _Ukrainian_ couple's choice where to live. I bet they had not too many options, did they? People in former Soviet republics tend to believe anything is better than where they currently live. Of course I don't question higer salaries in the USA vs. Ukraine.
A qualified guess is telling me there are more Eastern Europeans in EU that in the USA. Analogy - Is OUR standard of living KING, or is yours? Nevermind, it was a rethoric question, but I hope you understand your conclusion was inaccurate.[/QUOTE]
People come to the United States from [i]everywhere[/i], mostly because in the USA it's easier to get good work than in most other places & you get to keep more of your money here than in most other places. We even have a Western European, I think.
Moreover, there's pretty much zero chance that a foriegner will ever have a child in the United Kingdom, Canada or Austrialia...or even France or Japan...or Sweden...most anywhere...that will ever become Head of State of those countries - but that can happen in the United States. This is just one example of how there's less anti-opportunity BS in the United States than elsewhere.
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[QUOTE=Leeuwen]With all due respect, but you can't make a statment like that, based on some _Ukrainian_ couple's choice where to live. I bet they had not too many options, did they? People in former Soviet republics tend to believe anything is better than where they currently live. Of course I don't question higer salaries in the USA vs. Ukraine.
A qualified guess is telling me there are more Eastern Europeans in EU that in the USA. Analogy - Is OUR standard of living KING, or is yours? Nevermind, it was a rethoric question, but I hope you understand your conclusion was inaccurate.[/QUOTE]
If were talking about making money and becoming wealthy, as a standard of living and the various way to do it, US is still King.
My Ukrainian lady friend is actually quite happy in Kiev, her concern is that she likes African-Americans and as we all know they are NOT in great supply in Kiev or EE in general, so she wouldn't mind leaving for the US if that's where her relationship takes her.
Yes Money and Good Looks only make up about 20% of what makes you happy and the rest is made of self-confidence, family, friends and fun activities.
I live at home, over 30, make about 25K a year, with a $11K car and most American women don't touch me, so my standard of living is well under what most American women would consider ideal.
Americans put far more importance on material acquisitions than many other cultures do. So many women form Europe and other areas main concerns are being happy, having a healthy family and a loving spouse.
So your definition of a standard may be different than mine....
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I think the smart thing to do is exactly what Rock Dog did, say "FUCK YOU" to your own culture and act in your own best interests. No point in even pretending to help the world if you can't help yourself first!
The US vs other countries thing is a complex issue... BUT....
I'd say that what the real difference is in the US vs other countries is that in the US you can much easily have your own car, the downside to that is that you HAVE to have your own car, whether you want to or not.
In every other area you are better off in MANY other countries than in the US. We have a huge problem with availability of healthcare and decent education, not to mention an even bigger problem with poor quality food. I include Canada in this BTW, Canada has ALL the same problems the US has, except for in healthcare instead of an availability problem they have a QUALITY problem.
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[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]
Scani women complain how locals treat them. That's why they look elsewhere but as English is there 2nd language if they consider relocation is almost always universally the United States...
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More Scandi women in the UK than you can shake a stick it. They do tend to stick to Anglo places, for whatever reason there is a strong Scandi-Anglo bond.
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]
Eastern European women have reservations about culture differences, the lack of Russian people in whatever area they move too and if they are over 30 their general lack of English speaking skills often scares them into wanted to stay "locally" in Europe.
Younger women are a bit more adventurous...
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Europe is much closer to EE culturally than the US, after all Europe is Europe, but the US is a very easy culture to adjust to. It's essentially a neutral culture and designed to accept people from any other culture. People will always miss "their people" though, no doubt about it. A lot depends on where they end up. Russians in major metropolitan areas will have no trouble meeting other Russians there, but if they get stuck in the boondocks somewhere, their only connection out will be visa email and internet.
Not only geographically, but psychologically America is much farther away from EE than WE.
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]
Proving ONCE again OUR standard of living is KING, period end of story...
America is what you make of it, I can't say it any simpler than that.[/QUOTE]
Compared to Gambia, Ukraine or Romania, sure. Compared to central and northern Europe, Canada, Australia or a number of other countries, no. Several countries around the world offer a high standard of living at essentially the same level, and more and more, it is possible to live with a high standard of living in EE. This doesn't include the working class, but anybody in the growing middle class (still small but growing steadily) and above is seeing real progress. Sometimes there are even standard of living advantages to living in EE.
I know a lot of people in Kiev, Warsaw, Moscow or whereever who live very very well... actually at a higher standard than they could live in the US or Europe on the same money, as tax and general services are cheap in EE. Imagine paying 13% flat tax.... and that's it. Or hiring a personal driver for $400/month and a maid for $300/month and a personal secretary to do your laundry, runs your errands etc. $500/month. That's the reality of the upper class in EE, they can afford tons of amenities that would cost an arm and a leg in the US or Europe.
[QUOTE=Leeuwen]With all due respect, but you can't make a statment like that, based on some _Ukrainian_ couple's choice where to live. I bet they had not too many options, did they? People in former Soviet republics tend to believe anything is better than where they currently live. Of course I don't question higer salaries in the USA vs. Ukraine.
A qualified guess is telling me there are more Eastern Europeans in EU that in the USA. Analogy - Is OUR standard of living KING, or is yours? Nevermind, it was a rethoric question, but I hope you understand your conclusion was inaccurate.[/QUOTE]
There are almost certainly more EEs in Europe than the US, but this is based on three factors:
1) proximity/ease of travel/cultural connections. Plenty of Albanians, Serbs, Romanians, Ukrainians, Russians etc. came to WE in the 90's, some of these countries now even integrated into the EU. Some came legally, many came illegally. It wasn't nearly as easy for them to enter the US.
2) visa stipulations (incl. ethnic Russians living in Germany as re-imports). Although visa stipulations have gotten tougher in Europe, it is still considerably easier for EEs to enter Europe or get European work permits as opposed to entering the US, particularly after 9/11. Tons of Poles in the UK, Russians and Croats in Germany, Romanians in France and Italy etc.
It's also quite easy for Ees to get student visas. I was screwing a tiny cute Bulgarian med student in Germany for awhile and quickly discovered she had a whole network of Bulgarian friends. Most of them "officially" students, all of them doing some kind of other work on the side. They were interestingly enough some of the most enterprising people I have ever met. Studying, collecting government support, working jobs on the side for tax-free cash and still managing to party like animals every single weekend. Respect.
3) promise of welfare, government support. It's no secret that if you get established in Europe, European taxpayers will pay for your apartment, Playstation and booze. This appeals to the average EE lout.
[QUOTE=Leeuwen]Seriously, these women are either elderly, often divorced, perhaps abandoned, and looking for spicey romance with black beach boys in Gambia, West Indies and such, OR young and horny and fucking around in Greece, Spain or Turkey. Of course when back home they put on the good girl mask and behave like nothing have ever happened.
Marriage with a lover boy from some distant country is in most cases out of question. Social stigma is even more pronounced when it comes to women, as they are supposed to be chosen (by local men). Men on the other hand have to 'meet standards'.
Also men, despite very liberal mindset among Europeans, are supposed to be bread winners, providers and have a future to offer. It makes me wonder how successul seasoned Britons, Germans in SEA actually are. Personally I'm busy making money and watching professional career.[/QUOTE]
Exactly, my point being that women just as men often look beyond their own social/racial/national group to find mates. In the case of young Scandi women, they are usually just looking for adventure and a sex-filled holiday. They'll almost all end up marrying "one of their own" later on, or at least someone from their own social group.
Men are more likely to leave their social group to marry a foreign women and bring her home. Whether out of love or necessity is irrelevant to them, but society generally looks at the couple as if the guy "bought" the girl... even if this isn't necessarily true.
As for Germans and Britons living in Thailand, for the most part they are what many would consider to be failures in their own society. You can take that for what it is worth.
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I never said your money doesn't go further in some places.
But you underestimate the rich (and just how many politicians didn't get caught in the illegal alien nanny scandal???) and they will try and look for cheap workers their homes as well. (I only kid about the underestimation part...)
The fact that you can maintain the same standard of living or improve it, makes being an expat very popular for the 4 million Americans living abroad... Did anybody notice the UAB little league baseball team being made up of almost entirely of UAB born American children?? lol
Ah the American Oil Industry at work.... Anywhere on earth there is OIL there we are so we don't have to give up our Caddy Trucks...
Hey Doc who do I talk too about DJ'ing in Kiev?? lol
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[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]
Compared to Gambia, Ukraine or Romania, sure. Compared to central and northern Europe, Canada, Australia or a number of other countries, no. Several countries around the world offer a high standard of living at essentially the same level, and more and more, it is possible to live with a high standard of living in EE. This doesn't include the working class, but anybody in the growing middle class (still small but growing steadily) and above is seeing real progress. Sometimes there are even standard of living advantages to living in EE.
I know a lot of people in Kiev, Warsaw, Moscow or whereever who live very very well... actually at a higher standard than they could live in the US or Europe on the same money, as tax and general services are cheap in EE. Imagine paying 13% flat tax.... and that's it. Or hiring a personal driver for $400/month and a maid for $300/month and a personal secretary to do your laundry, runs your errands etc. $500/month. That's the reality of the upper class in EE, they can afford tons of amenities that would cost an arm and a leg in the US or Europe.
There are almost certainly more EEs in Europe than the US, but this is based on three factors:
1) proximity/ease of travel/cultural connections. Plenty of Albanians, Serbs, Romanians, Ukrainians, Russians etc. came to WE in the 90's, some of these countries now even integrated into the EU. Some came legally, many came illegally. It wasn't nearly as easy for them to enter the US.
2) visa stipulations (incl. ethnic Russians living in Germany as re-imports). Although visa stipulations have gotten tougher in Europe, it is still considerably easier for EEs to enter Europe or get European work permits as opposed to entering the US, particularly after 9/11. Tons of Poles in the UK, Russians and Croats in Germany, Romanians in France and Italy etc.
It's also quite easy for Ees to get student visas. I was screwing a tiny cute Bulgarian med student in Germany for awhile and quickly discovered she had a whole network of Bulgarian friends. Most of them "officially" students, all of them doing some kind of other work on the side. They were interestingly enough some of the most enterprising people I have ever met. Studying, collecting government support, working jobs on the side for tax-free cash and still managing to party like animals every single weekend. Respect.
3) promise of welfare, government support. It's no secret that if you get established in Europe, European taxpayers will pay for your apartment, Playstation and booze. This appeals to the average EE lout.
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That is debatable, I have been in Germany for the last two months, and think the quality of life is a big drop below what I experienced in Australia and the USA. Most Americans own their own home, have car, TV, computer, etc. Many Germans live in an apartment, go to internet cafes to surf the web, take public transport because cars are mostly unaffordable due to high fuel prices.
Australia is roughly comparable to the US in most ways, healthcare is far more affordable as is housing and food, but luxury items like cars, brand name clothing(Polo and Tommy Hilfiger CK etc.) and electronics are insanely expensive. A Mercedes S Class in Australia which costs about $70,000 to $80,000US is about $250,000US in Australia. Australians for the most part have to buy a car, Americans can lease an auto and this makes luxury cars more within reach for Americans than anyone else. Cars in some European countries are also ridiculously more expensive, in Britain an Audi Q7 costs $100K US while that same car can be purchased for $60K.
Burger flippers in Western Europe earn around $12 to $15 and hour.
Still one of my best friends who is British and went to college with me in the US moved back to the UK after school because he just didn't hack life in America.
Education and profession plays a big role in an American's earning power assuming you work for someone else, most Physicians, Dentists, Accountants, and Lawyers in the US earn six figure salaries. Physicians in Germany earn about one third what their American counterparts make. The same is true for Australia, Canada, and other socialist countries. People with limited education and talent tend to better off in Western Europe, Canada, and Australia.
There is more disparity in the US than in other industrialized countries but that does not mean America is an unfair society, in fact, I have met many people, particularly from third world countries who have been able to succeed.
In fact, an Indian fellow who ran a store where I shopped in NY owned his own home, an SUV, and only lived in the US for three years. I also think the US and Canada are more accommodating to people of different races than most other industrialized countries. There is a lot of skin color racism in Australia and many European countries. I particularly remember this one girl I met a couple of weeks ago in Germany whose parents are from Cameroon, she was born in Germany but says she is not German because she is "dark". A lot of Europeans also made a big stink when Barak Obama announced that he was running for President.
When it comes to monetary and material matters, the US will be on top for quite a while.
Everyone thinks differently, and no two pairs of eyes see the same world.
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[quote=cbgbconnisur]that is debatable, i have been in germany for the last two months, and think the quality of life is a big drop below what i experienced in australia and the usa. most americans own their own home, have car, tv, computer, etc. many germans live in an apartment, go to internet cafes to surf the web, take public transport because cars are mostly unaffordable due to high fuel prices.
australia is roughly comparable to the us in most ways, healthcare is far more affordable as is housing and food, but luxury items like cars, brand name clothing(polo and tommy hilfiger ck etc.) and electronics are insanely expensive. a mercedes s class in australia which costs about $70,000 to $80,000us is about $250,000us in australia. cars in some european countries are also ridiculously more expensive, in britain an audi q7 costs $100k us while that same car can be purchased for $60k.
still one of my best friends who is british and went to college with me in the us moved back to the uk after school because he just didn't hack life in america.[/quote]
i can back this up....
out of the 5 german women i know, only 2 have a car. one used to have a car until it burned to the ground on the side of the a5 i (jeep wrangler). the others can't afford it, i would believe that is because of children (only 1 has no children, the others have 2, all four of them) and lack of "real" job skills.
the childless woman works for ing and travels for work often, wears a very expensive german time piece as well. she choose not to replace her car with the insurance money and she is also getting married and moving to the states, where she'll buy a car when she gets here.
one had a beat up opel corsa 5 door before her father who gets a company car, but rather drive his lexus, bought a car for her with his allowance.
the others simply can't afford it....
nobody at the hostel i stayed at (the workers) drove, they don't make enough. i got to know the hostel staff quite well, i was there 10 days total in 2 parts. they all take the s/u bahn or the ic/re home. including one that rides the train for 45 mins one way to come to work at the hostel. low skill labor doesn't pay well enough for you to own many material items in germany.
as i said before, several jobs in america play between $1300-1700 a month net and you can afford to live in a studio apartment, have high speed internet, computer, cable tv, lcd tv, a decent amount of furniture and a 7-10 year old used car with insurance.
you can do this in canada but less likely, which is why we still have a high number of canadians still coming across the boarder.
if your talking strictly material items, its hard to beat the price tag in the us.
i can get a '07 suzuki swift in kiev for $1200 givna a month or about $240 a month, i don't believe i can find a job in kiev that pays even half that a month. but i can convert some of my us dollars to afford that car outright and as i said before, live pretty good in kiev off my american money, not the income i would make locally say from dj'ing which i sure comes out to around $400-500us, which is enough for rent in most cases.
as i said before, if my lady friend can do it with a baby for 300 givna a month, then i know i can do it on 10 times that amount....
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[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]That is debatable, I have been in Germany for the last two months, and think the quality of life is a big drop below what I experienced in Australia and the USA.
When it comes to monetary and material matters, the US will be on top for quite a while.
Everyone thinks differently, and no two pairs of eyes see the same world.[/QUOTE]
As DJ already said, purchase power, especially for consumer goods and automobiles, is truly highest in the US. Many things simply cost more in Europe, not only in terms of cash value, but in terms of percentage of income.
Other factors that contribute to quality of life... such as health care, stress levels and holiday time, also factor into quality of life though. Ever meet an unhappy Italian? They might earn less, but they seem to universally love life.
Most Europeans enjoy 5-6 weeks paid vacation a year. Most Americans 2.
Maybe you can by your Q7 for $60k in the US, but in Europe you can drive a BMW 330i for that price and spend 2 weeks in Spain, 2 in Greece and 2 in Italy a year on holiday.
I'm making no judgement, having spent considerable time in both the US and Europe, where both have advantages and disadvantages. Everyday life is more comfortable in the US in my opinion, however I tend to get more OUT of life in Europe.
Beyond that, the women in Europe are more my taste. Better bodies, better style, better attitudes.
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Regarding Standard of Living
While it is certainly true that the middle- to upper-middle-class represented by the membership of this forum have a higher standard of living in the US, this is only a small minority of the population - perhaps 20-25%. Of course it is a minority that is commonly exaggerated in number because it is the subject of many TV shows and movies (second only to the rich, who are at most 1 or 2 percent of the population but are obsessed over by popular culture).
As for most people - the working class - they obviously fare far better in social democratic Europe than right-wing America. Doubtless great efforts are being undertaken in Europe to end this egalitarianism post haste.
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[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney] Hey Doc who do I talk too about DJ'ing in Kiev?? lol[/QUOTE]
Put together a demo, dress nice, go to the top clubs and ask to see the art director, introduce yourself as an LA-based DJ, talk the talk and walk the walk. :)
If they can't help you, they can probably network you to guys that can. You might start at other clubs, but if you are good, you could make it.
Even if you don't get work right away, you'll be meeting the "right" people. Worth a shot... cue Eminem anthem Lose Yourself... :)
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Ok, now come on guys...it's exactly this attitude that has led to the 'ugly American' stereotype that the rest of the world despises so much. It's understandable that you would proclaim your own country as 'King', but we ALL do that - Australians call Australia 'The Lucky Country' and we compare our health systems, welfare systems and education systems to America and consider ourselves much better off than you guys. We have 1.5 square kilometres of space per person in my country. The region I live in has the most hours of sunlight per year, and the most temperate conditions, in the world. Australia produces a third of the world's wool, a huge proportion of the world's gold and minerals and, to whoever said that America produces more wheat that anyone else, we would also be the world's primary exporter of wheat if it wasn't for American sanctions and interference - the American farmer's union refuses to allow our grain (and our lamb, recognised as the best in the world) into the US, and America STOLE one of our biggest wheat importers, Iraq, during the invasion. Try reading something other than American media.
But that's beside the point. Point is, we all think that our living standards are better than everyone else's. That's why a worldwide, unbiased survery is the only way to gauge the true 'winner'. You guys ended up at number 6. Deal with it.
As for beautiful women working in McDonalds...when are you going to learn that each nation has their own ideas of what's beautiful and what's not? And that more often than not, the 'exotic' will be considered more beautiful than the average local? I would be hard-pressed to find a negro or latina working in my local McDonalds (and I don't mean to offend with the word 'negro' - I'm just distinguishing them from our Australian Aboriginals). Negro and Latin men and women are considered very attractive by a lot of Australians, probably because they are pretty hard to come by in this country.
Fact is, beautiful people, of BOTH genders, have it easier than the rest of us. Beautiful people never have to work for a bloody thing - it's just handed to them on a plate. There's no beautiful people working in McDonalds because they have already been handed the great jobs, or are in relationships, simply BECAUSE they are beautiful. If you ask the locals from these other places you're always talking about, I'm sure they'd say that there's no beautiful women working in dead-end jobs in THEIR countries, either.
Beauty is totally subjective. You guys find it odd that beautiful women in Europe are working in Maccas, but they are only beautiful to YOU, not necessarily to the local men. And the standard of women working in fast food joints, proves absolutely NOTHING about the standard of living in a particular country. That's just ridiculous.
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[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Everyday life is more comfortable in the US in my opinion, however I tend to get more OUT of life in Europe.
Beyond that, the women in Europe are more my taste. Better bodies, better style, better attitudes.[/QUOTE]
......having also lived in Europe, I completely agree with your comments Dr_S.
I think Montreal, Canada offers the best of both worlds.....pretty women with better style, better bodies and better attitudes. I also think everyday life for your average middle class French Canadian is quite comfortable and I would live there in a heart beat.
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Folks, we have an obesity problem here in the good ol USA. Desperate guys actually paying $$$$ to see women like this....eeeeeewwwwwww
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[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]America STOLE one of our biggest wheat importers, Iraq, during the invasion. Try reading something other than American media.
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I know some Australians did pretty well under the oil-for-food kickback scheme, where a few of your fellow Aussies were paying around $220 million to Iraqi officials working for Saddam Hussein in order to secure the Iraqi wheat market. At least today, Iraq imports wheat from a variety of countries, Australia, United States, Canada, maybe others - at least some competition exists - which I think benefits the average Iraqi.
Maybe you should try some other media? :)
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[QUOTE=Jelly Donut]I know some Australians did pretty well under the oil-for-food kickback scheme, where Austrailia was paying around $220 million to Iraqi officials working for Saddam Hussein in order to secure the Iraqi wheat market.
Sorry if there's competition these days...[/QUOTE]
You're absolutely right and that was utterly disgraceful. However, we had the market cornered in that country for a very long time and when America went in (long before the AWB scandal came to light) they imposed sanctions on imports - cutting off the supply of Australian wheat - and then started bringing their own into the country. Australia couldn't do anything to stop it, because our pathetic weasel of a Prime Minister had already promised your pathetic weasel of a President that we (along with other countries) would stop exporting to Iraq. That was exceptionally underhanded on the Bush Administration's part.
Mind you, I'm certainly not blaming the average American for any of that - just as I don't blame the average Aussie for the shameful oil-for-food debacle. And it has absolutely [i]nothing[/i] to do with American Women, so I shouldn't really have brought it up. I just got defensive when whoever it was said that America produced more wheat than anyone else - as a farmer's daughter, I'm probably a bit biased. :)
*** Jelly updated his, so I'll update mine - for the record, I'm glad there's now competition in Iraq and I'm sure it does benefit the Iraqi people. I guess I'm just still sore over how it happened and, more than that, the huge losses that Australian farmers suffered because of it.
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[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]As DJ already said, purchase power, especially for consumer goods and automobiles, is truly highest in the US. Many things simply cost more in Europe, not only in terms of cash value, but in terms of percentage of income.
Other factors that contribute to quality of life... such as health care, stress levels and holiday time, also factor into quality of life though. Ever meet an unhappy Italian? They might earn less, but they seem to universally love life.
Most Europeans enjoy 5-6 weeks paid vacation a year. Most Americans 2.
Maybe you can by your Q7 for $60k in the US, but in Europe you can drive a BMW 330i for that price and spend 2 weeks in Spain, 2 in Greece and 2 in Italy a year on holiday.
I'm making no judgement, having spent considerable time in both the US and Europe, where both have advantages and disadvantages. Everyday life is more comfortable in the US in my opinion, however I tend to get more OUT of life in Europe.
Beyond that, the women in Europe are more my taste. Better bodies, better style, better attitudes.[/QUOTE]
True, most Americans get only 2 weeks a year unless they work for the government or are a physician or nurse. Yes European women have better style and looks and are less expensive.
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[QUOTE=Astor Bryan]Folks, we have an obesity problem here in the good ol USA. Desperate guys actually paying $$$$ to see women like this....eeeeeewwwwwww[/QUOTE]
It is true that men in the US are more desperate than others, and certainly the nation is fat, male and female. But I would like to interject a note about Drugs.
Gentlemen it is the recreational drug which creates thin, motivated women who will provide us with what we want.
Even here in Thailand the Police State is in operation, destroying this life-giving trade - of course not to the level of the Original Police State, but getting worse every year. Nowadays I see a lot more chubby Thais, and I think it is due to more than just the Western diet (most of them still don't eat that crap). Non-drug users are much more apt to say 'no' to various enjoyable acts such as anal sex or bareback.
While the Forces of Social Control do their violence against prostitutes in an attempt to prevent we men from having sex, their War on Drugs has an even greater eunichization effect.
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Australia is roughly the size of the upper 48, however we have more people in California alone and our GDP is $1.62 Trillion with a "T" as its known has a larger GDP than MANY nations on this earth.
Plus the middle part of the country as I said produces more corn, soybean and wheat than anybody else on the planet and we're loosing farmers on a daily basis because kids don't wanna stay on the farms, they want to work in the cities.
We have been trading wheat for oil with Russia even when it was part of the USSR and still have enough to sell to other countries and for everybody to have at least 4 loafs of bread in the States.
You also have to understand the dynamics of our political system and we have cut back funding on infrastructure since the 1970s. Our schools systems were once the world standard and we STILL teach many of the world's young people at the University level.
I met one Brazilian that goes to Univ of "Mazzu" (Missouri) on a Football (Soccer) scholarship in Germany and met a Univ of Florida "Gators" (Snap, Snap) student from Peru. So while I'll agree that primary and secondary education has leap frogged us, it would only take a grand investment by the federal government to put us right back on top, I say roughly a 1/3 of what's being spent on fighting Iraq.
As Doc said, your qualify of life and what you consider a standard of living may be different than mine. As my Ukrainian lady friend told me, she's happy even though she doesn't have any money to have real options.
I wouldn't mind relocating, however I do like my American TV (what little of it I watch) and I am a car nut, so I can make that work anywhere. For instance I wanna drive on the left side of the car and the right side of the road, so no Australia or British Empire for me. Germany has the mildest climate for the most part, especially the southern half of the country. I just don't know what type of work I would be doing over there and like I said in places like Berlin unemployment is high. You better have an idea of what your doing before you move anywhere.
Plus the women are better looking especially in Scandinavia and Eastern Europe. The woman elsewhere aren't really better looking than American women, when you find one that doesn't weight over 200lbs.
I met some Kiwi's while in Sweden and they were quite attractive but not [i]down for the brown[/i] as far as I could tell as they liked hanging out with loutish, heavy drinking, college aged US types.
For those looking long term you need time to invest. The days of you being able to walk into a country and pick from its best women are largely over because local competition has improved and EU membership gives them options they never enjoyed before.
I found an interesting stat not too long ago and its very rough, so take it with a gain of salt.
Roughly .07% of the female population in Russia would consider to marrying a Western man (Europe, Canada and the US). That doesn't sound like much, but according to this guys calculations that means roughly 54,000 women available every year with more turning 18 by the minute.
That sounds about right though because while my lady friend would leave, her other two friends wouldn't do it and she said they were nice. I saw pictures, not that impressive, not ugly either.
So yeah get out there while the gettin is good...
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[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Put together a demo, dress nice, go to the top clubs and ask to see the art director, introduce yourself as an LA-based DJ, talk the talk and walk the walk. :)
If they can't help you, they can probably network you to guys that can. You might start at other clubs, but if you are good, you could make it.
Even if you don't get work right away, you'll be meeting the "right" people. Worth a shot... cue Eminem anthem Lose Yourself... :)[/QUOTE]
Awwww man I thought you had the hook up!
I guess I could put a demo together....
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Notice how it all comes back to the car.
That's the biggest stumbling block for an American living abroad. They don't wanna give up the fucking car, no matter how impractical it is where they are going to live. They feel it's an outrage that gas prices are high, costs of cars are high, and there's no parking. That's done ON PURPOSE guys. Too many cars in a city make it miserable for people.
The town I'm moving to (Bogota) by 2015 won't even allow private vehicle traffic during rush hours. I say good for them. And you are NEVER going to get me to drive down there, I'll leave it to the pros.
That's also one of the biggest causes of culture shock for immigrants here, if not THE big cause. The car culture makes us very isolated and anti-social. Not to mention they can't FATHOM a place where you couldn't just walk to the store and pick up a few things.
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Interesting exchange of ideas and opinions over the last few days. I don't have much to add.
I would just say that each individual has his/her own tastes and preferences. Not everyone American wants to drive aorund in a small car 3 hours a day. I lived in NYC for a few years and a car in Manhattan is a hindrance, not a help. Parking can cost $3,000 a year.
I would welcome living in a city where public transportation was fast enough and reliable enough and taxis were plentiful enopugh and cheap enough for a car to be unnecessary. I have many more things I would rather spend my money on. Sex being foremost among them. Almost every large South American city fits that bill.
@Obepo, "While the Forces of Social Control do their violence against prostitutes in an attempt to prevent we men from having sex, their War on Drugs has an even greater eunichization effect."
I hope you aren't advocating the use of illlegal drugs so that strung out women will engage in unsafe sex!?!?!?!? That would be just plain sick!
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DJ, as you said, Australia has a ridiculously small population. Comparing us to America using total figures, is comparing apples to oranges. To get a true comparison (particularly if we're talking about overall quality of living in various countries) we really have to use per capita figures. I got the following stats from nationmaster.com.
GDP: America's total GDP is by far the largest, almost three times more than the number two country. However, America's per capita GDP is $39,452.74 and Australia's is $31,421.40 - not such a huge difference.
Wheat: In total wheat production, America is rated number 3, Australia number 5. But per capita, Australia is number 1, producing almost twice the amount of its nearest competitor and nearly 6 times more wheat than America, who comes in at number 7. FYI, Australia accounts for more organic cropland then the next 36 countries on the list combined. We're number 1 in gross amount of land devoted to agriculture and America is at number 4. Per capita, we're still number 1 and the US drops down to number 23.
Exports: For total exports, America is number 2 and Australia is down at number 28. Per capita, we both drop waaaay down, but Australia comes out ahead at number 53, with America at number 62.
But anyway, more interesting for you guys - and more on topic! - are the female population stats on the nationmaster site. You can search the number of women in a particular age group in every country, according to actual numbers or percentage of the population.
For sheer numbers of women aged 20-24, for example, the top three countries are China, India and Indonesia. But guess what...America is at number 4! Don't bother coming to Australia to find 20-24 year old women, though. We're rated number 61!!
The top four are the same again for women aged 25-29 (with Brazil at number 5). Australia does only slightly better with this age group, coming in at number 58.
With all the discussions recently about marrying foreign women, this site could be quite handy. You could find out who has the most females in the desired age group and then cross-reference to find info on income, lifestyle, marriage rates, divorce rates, childbirth, education levels, etc. I had lots of fun messing around with it.
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[QUOTE=George90]@Obepo, "While the Forces of Social Control do their violence against prostitutes in an attempt to prevent we men from having sex, their War on Drugs has an even greater eunichization effect."
I hope you aren't advocating the use of illlegal drugs so that strung out women will engage in unsafe sex!?!?!?!? That would be just plain sick![/QUOTE]
Yes, George. That's exactly what he's advocating.
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George that's my point entirely. Most Europeans, Asians, Latin Americans etc are happy to just live somewhere where they dont have to WORRY about driving, because the transit takes them everywhere.
As for living in a house vs apartment, I had a house here in NYC, sold it, THANK GOD, never doing anything like that again. It's condos or bust for me from now on.
There are many things I won't miss about life in the US, the fact that I have no health insurance (I'd be able to pay for it if my move weren't imminent but it would put a serious hurt on me), the crappy food, the fact that you can't do anything but breathe here without paying money to do it, also I consider Bogota's transport system better than the subway here now, the subway COULD be better but it's just not well run at all. Also I love my bicycle and Bogota is full of bicycle lanes.
One thing I will miss about NYC is the way people are so in-your-face and direct, in other words HONEST. I don't think there's anywhere else in the world like it. Here politeness and social convention take a back seat and people just tell it like it is with no regard for protocol or people's feelings. It can be jarring at times but I've gotten used to it and I just love knowing where I stand at all times, not to mention being able to let others know where THEY stand.
The big problem is that I have always seen NYC as this kind of island of anti-consumerism and in many ways it was just that for the longest, it was really the last holdout against the big corporations, they notoriously fell flat on their faces when they tried to make inroads here through the 70s and 80s (except McDonalds, they did well). Now that's all changed, everytime I see another Starbucks or Dunkin Donuts or another fucking Red Lobster go in I just wanna puke. :(
What does this have to do with AW? I think the REAL problem is exactly this, the absolute imbalance of over-the-top materialism and consumerism that fuels the attitudes of both women AND men here and encourage ridiculously selfish behavior to the point where two people can no longer stay together anymore or even GET together. Modern society here is designed and built to make everybody desire things they don't REALLY want, and we end up losing up on what we REALLY want to satisfy our shallowest of whims.
I hang on a lot of other forums and I see the same song sung over and over again by waves and waves of expats and potential expats. Everybody is crying over what they are missing or what they might be missing, but in the same breath they are bitching about the materialism in America. They see the materialism on the outside but seem to be unaware of just how much of it has been INTERNALIZED. They don't see the blatant irony in the fact that they 'can't stand the rat race' etc etc but apparently it's worse than being crucified if they can't import everly last scrap of shit they've collected over their whole lives, have to give up driving their precious cars, or can't find their favorite fucking brand of peanut butter anymore.
Those are the type of expat who are heading for a severe case of culture shock. They will wake up in a year or two to find that they have been played by the local women and beaten at their own game. They moved because they were smart enough to realize how fucked up their culture was and recognized something they liked in another culture, but then ended up taking their fucked up culture with them and never really had a deep enough respect for their "new" culture to REALLY steep themselves in it and learn it deeply.
Guys like this invariably attract all the gold-diggers from scores of miles around. They complain about shallow women, but they themselves don't have much depth to them. They want their women in tip-top shape but wouldn't see tip-top staring back at them if they looked in a mirror. They make a minimal effort at best to learn the local language, yet are mystified why nobody seems to be able to understand them.
Bogota as a town is a perfect example of this. Although I'm totally looking forward to building a new life there, I would NOT recommend anybody else try it in that particular town, unless they are willing to REALLY understand the language, the culture, the history etc. Bogota is a place where 50% of the people are the most on-point intelligent upright generally cool people you could ever meet and the other 50% are the biggest fuckups and scammers you've ever seen. The locals are constantly playing a sifting game with each other, and if you aren't able to participate in the local culture you haven't got a chance, ESPECIALLY not in relationships, you will end up with the bottom of the barrel inevitably, time and time again.
And then of course you'll go on forums like these and say "MAN MY CITY SUCKS EVERY LAST WOMAN HERE IS A BACKSTABBING *****!" etc. :P
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Many Australian and other Western men are going to Asia these days. Great return on investment in these places. A friend of mine showed me a video he made of a shopping district in Shanghai and I was amazed, the average Chinese woman(at least in that part of the country) looks like Lucy Lui.
In the long run, its going to become a Chinese Asian dominated world, one of the largest Investment Banks in the world is predicting that it will have the biggest economy by 2040 and that is making very conservative assumptions, another former World Bank head says 2025. Guess which country keeps the dollar from collapsing? China. China is also the reason for the rise of the Euro as they have been "diversifying".
There is probably another two decades of economic robustness for the US and Europe.
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[QUOTE=George90]@Obepo, "While the Forces of Social Control do their violence against prostitutes in an attempt to prevent we men from having sex, their War on Drugs has an even greater eunichization effect."
I hope you aren't advocating the use of illlegal drugs so that strung out women will engage in unsafe sex!?!?!?!? That would be just plain sick![/QUOTE]
I'm not advocating the use, I'm trying to suggest a reason why the State expends so much effort in deterring many drugs. Certainly I am pleased that women use them, but my advocacy can hardly have any effect - I'm sure the appeal is in the drugs themselves. They must be quite wonderful, though I cannot say having never sampled any. Or at any rate they will seem, relatively speaking, wonderful to poor people who have little if any enjoyment in life.
By the by, what does 'strung out' mean? Seems to me if the individual prefers consuming the drug to abstaining, then everything is great and there's no need to make any judgements or use pejorative terms about their condition.
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]Notice how it all comes back to the car.
That's the biggest stumbling block for an American living abroad. They don't wanna give up the fucking car, no matter how impractical it is where they are going to live. They feel it's an outrage that gas prices are high, costs of cars are high, and there's no parking. That's done ON PURPOSE guys. Too many cars in a city make it miserable for people.
The town I'm moving to (Bogota) by 2015 won't even allow private vehicle traffic during rush hours. I say good for them. And you are NEVER going to get me to drive down there, I'll leave it to the pros.
That's also one of the biggest causes of culture shock for immigrants here, if not THE big cause. The car culture makes us very isolated and anti-social. Not to mention they can't FATHOM a place where you couldn't just walk to the store and pick up a few things.[/QUOTE]
You always bang on cars, your a New Yorker you wouldn't understand...
There are 300 of us in a Kmart parking lot every Thurs. Young and Old.
We love cars, cars are fun, they are fast they make great noises.
There 30,000 people on the SRT Forums, 55,000 on Corral.net (Mustangs) and about 15,000 on the Benz forum, it doesn't isolate us from anything. Hardly any of us know our neighbors next door, I find that more troubling than owning a car.
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wheat and women
[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]
Wheat: In total wheat production, America is rated number 3, Australia number 5. But per capita, Australia is number 1, producing almost twice the amount of its nearest competitor and nearly 6 times more wheat than America, who comes in at number 7. FYI, Australia accounts for more organic cropland then the next 36 countries on the list combined. We're number 1 in gross amount of land devoted to agriculture and America is at number 4. Per capita, we're still number 1 and the US drops down to number 23.
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For sheer numbers of women aged 20-24, for example, the top three countries are China, India and Indonesia. But guess what...America is at number 4! Don't bother coming to Australia to find 20-24 year old women, though. We're rated number 61!!
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Do a lot of Australians leave Australia? I know in sweeping around the web I came across a number that suggested half a million Australians visit the United States every year. It seemed like a very large number; as you may know, a lot of people "visiting" the United States are trying to find work here, or working here under-the-table. I know a lot of girls get captured by the idea of Hollywood. But this 61 number seems low...is Australia exporting it's 20-24 year olds? Are they all partying in Indonesia?
At any rate, the thing about wheat - it's a commodity. The per cap number may say more about Australia, than about the global supply of wheat. Whenever someone "corners the market" on a commodity something is wrong with the marketplace. Something political or even corrupt is taking place that is keeping customers from getting the real (lower) price. I won't labor over this further. The last thing I want is to argue with the farmers daughter.
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The UK Canada Aus and New Zealand ALL have about 10% of their populations living as expats at any given time. That's a pretty normal number for small to mid sized countries actually. Bigger countries like the USA and Brazil and China only have around 1-2% of their population living abroad.
Immigration is a very cyclical thing though, the majority of expats tend to repatriate over time, in general half of them go back home within 5 years.
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]
I hang on a lot of other forums and I see the same song sung over and over again by waves and waves of expats and potential expats. Everybody is crying over what they are missing or what they might be missing, but in the same breath they are bitching about the materialism in America. They see the materialism on the outside but seem to be unaware of just how much of it has been INTERNALIZED. They don't see the blatant irony in the fact that they 'can't stand the rat race' etc etc but apparently it's worse than being crucified if they can't import everly last scrap of shit they've collected over their whole lives, have to give up driving their precious cars, or can't find their favorite fucking brand of peanut butter anymore.
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Fantastic post, Bango. This reminds me of an American expat I met while I was living in Brasil. This guy had essentially liquidated all his assets and moved to Rio, living the good life, and fucking many beautiful women. We were eating dinner one night at a restaurant in front of Copacabana beach, and what was the topic of discussion? The women? The beautiful weather? The beach? Nope. He was complaining about his ketchup. Apparently, he was unhappy that he was not able to get Heinz ketchup at this restaurant for his fries, and that the local brand was inferior. If guys on here aren't familiar, the ketchup in South America is not as thick as American-made ketchup, and a tad bit sweeter. Apparently, this bothered him so much that he had to complain to the waiter, even going as far as describing, in detail, why the American made ketchup is superior, the thickness, the flavor, etc. Granted, he was a good termas wingman, but that was the last time I ever went out to a restaurant with him.
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]
We love cars, cars are fun, they are fast they make great noises.
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That's funny, that's the same way I feel about Latinas!
Seriously though, I think you're missing the point. We're not complaining about cars. I love cars too. What we're complaining about is the fact that you HAVE to DRIVE a car in this fucking country if you want to get anywhere! There are no other means of transportation! So esentially, you are dependant on your car, and if you don't have one, you're fucked. No job, no social life, nothing.
What's funny is that a lot of Americans actually justify having to drive by saying that it's "liberating". The "freedom" to drive is just so great because you can "get anywhere you want or need to go", when in fact, it's the exact opposite, you are BOUND by your car, you have NO choice! In addition, it's another form of debt for Americans, with car payments, maintenance, gas, insurance, etc.
You like driving back and forth to work every day in rush hour traffic, averaging 25 mph on the highway because of congestion and traffic jams? Fine with me, knock yourself out. But give me the option of being able to take a bus or metro to get where I need to go, that's all I ask!
Anyways, my point is there is a difference in owning a car as a hobby, which I think is awesome, and ownng a car because you HAVE to, because there is no alternative mode of transportation. That is what we're complainign about on here.
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[QUOTE=Jelly Donut]Do a lot of Australians leave Australia? I know in sweeping around the web I came across a number that suggested half a million Australians visit the United States every year. It seemed like a very large number; as you may know, a lot of people "visiting" the United States are trying to find work here, or working here under-the-table. I know a lot of girls get captured by the idea of Hollywood. But this 61 number seems low...is Australia exporting it's 20-24 year olds? Are they all partying in Indonesia?
I won't labor over this further. The last thing I want is to argue with the farmers daughter.[/QUOTE]
National pride is a dangerous thing sometimes. I'll lay off the patriotism. :)
Our young women aren't going anywhere - we simply don't have any. There's no young men, either. A significant percentage of our population is well over fifty years old. Our ageing population is actually reaching crisis point, with the Government frantically trying to put things in place to cope with the massive skills shortages and pension claims that will occur when all the baby boomers start dropping out of the workforce, en masse. Our Government is even paying out thousands of dollars in 'baby bonuses' to everyone who gives birth (regardless of their income) to encourage us to 'go forth and procreate'.
I don't know that America is a primary destination for Aussies to look for work - although, I'm sure plenty do. But the US isn't very agreeable when it comes to giving out work visas to Australians. (We're not too keen on giving them to American's, either. Not sure where all this hostility is coming from!)Traditionally, Aussies head to the UK and Ireland, where work visas are much easier for us to obtain and the pound is worth so much more than our dollar. We can go to NZ without visas at all, which some people take advantage of for a change of scenery, but their dollar is worth less than ours, so it's not much of a money spinner.
It would be interesting to find out the age bracket that those half a million Aussies visiting the US fit into. With the first stages of the baby boomers' retirements already well underway, we've seen the rise of what we call the 'Grey Nomads' - retirees who sell up, buy a caravan or mobile home and just travel around Australia, indefinitely. Literally thousands of them. A significant number are also travelling overseas. I wouldn't be surprised if they account for a very large percentage of your Aussie visitors.
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Guys!
I love my Lotus Elise. How does the song go? Older whiskey, faster cars, younger women. I live in Queens. The drive home at 80mph on the Long island Expressway clears my head. What's wrong with that?
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South American Ketchup
[QUOTE=Ezinho]Fantastic post, Bango. This reminds me of an American expat I met while I was in living in Brasil. This guy had essentially liquidated all his assets and moved to Rio, living the good life, and fucking many beautiful women. We were eating dinner one night at a restaurant in front of Copacabana beach, and what was the topic of discussion? The women? The beautiful weather? The beach? Nope. He was complaining about his ketchup. Apparently, he was unhappy that he was not able to get Heinz ketchup at this restaurant for his fries, and that the local brand was inferior. If guys on here aren't familiar, the ketchup in South America is not as thick as American-made ketchup, and a tad bit sweeter. Apparently, this bothered him so much that he had to complain to the waiter, even going as far as describing, in detail, why the American made ketchup is superior, the thickness, the flavor, etc. Granted, he was a good termas wingman, but that was the last time I ever went out to a restaurant with him.[/QUOTE]
Ezinho,
Who was that guy?
I check out the mail-order-bride sites from time to time. Last year there was an American guy who complained about the very same thing, the ketchup!
He says lives abroad in various countries; Korea, Panama, Colombia, Brazil, and comes to the US only once in a while. His rant was triggered when he was in Colombia, I forget which city, and a restaurant didn't give him ketchup with his French fries. He had to ask for it. He thought that the ketchup should be given automatically the way it is in US restaurants. He continued with the low quality of ketchup in Colombia compared to the US.
He came across like an idiot because the men were on the forum to discuss foreign women as potenital wives, not the state of ketchup in Colombia.
He apparently also likes to talk about the 'casas' in Colombia and the women working in them, even though that is not a legitmate topic of those forums.
It is a small world!
P.S. I happen to like Brazilian ketchup. The sweeter taste suits me, though I would prefer it to be slightly thicker.
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[QUOTE=George90] Last year there was an American guy who complained about the very same thing, the ketchup!
He says lives abroad in various countries; Korea, Panama, Colombia, Brazil, and comes to the US only once in a while. His rant was triggered when he was in Colombia, I forget which city, and a restaurant didn't give him ketchup with his French fries. He had to ask for it. He thought that the ketchup should be given automatically the way it is in US restaurants. He continued with the low quality of ketchup in Colombia compared to the US.
He came across like an idiot because the men were on the forum to discuss foreign women as potenital wives, not the state of ketchup in Colombia.
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This idioT should have taken a shipping container load of Ketchup with him to Columbia.......with guys like this, it's no wonder American Women are so fucked up.
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[QUOTE=StudioCat]I love my Lotus Elise. How does the song go? Older whiskey, faster cars, younger women. I live in Queens. The drive home at 80mph on the Long island Expressway clears my head. What's wrong with that?[/QUOTE]
Great Car! Love those things....
I agree with Ezinho, in a place like Los Angeles area setup you have to have a car basically. Its socially unacceptable to not have a car...
I love cars, it is very much a hobby. Back in the early 90's I didn't have a car for around 3 years and honestly I got tired of depending on people to go out, borrowing the gf's car to meet other women (not my gf my homies), etc, etc.
I would buy car magazines still and help people on their projects. I mean I still buy Hot Wheels for crying out loud...
I do find it liberating, its my gas I burn it, it cost $3.50 a gallon but my range is around 350 miles on one tank mainly city driving and a little bit of boost under acceleration.
That's why I would move to a car lover's paradise like Germany and tho its very expensive to be a car nut in Germany, I could make it work... I would give up the super nice condo and live in the boonies to own a car if that's what it took.
Gissen didn't look so bad...
Plus I would use public transportation because its affordable and its the best. My friend Ine didn't buy a car, not because she didn't want too, she wanted to invest it instead. So she makes do with the Bahn, ICE and her bike.
I believe both options together are best. Sometimes public transport is better like going to a ball game, a concert, a show, a night on the town, etc. I like the option of walking around talking, especially wuth my girl (when I have one).
Road trips are fun.... I am not a backpacker this is the next best option
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[QUOTE=Astor Bryan]This idioT should have taken a shipping container load of Ketchup with him to Columbia.......with guys like this, it's no wonder American Women are so fucked up.[/QUOTE]
That's what I told my friend in Norway about Dr Pepper, that shhh is $5US a can in Norway...
Yeah on his next trip home, go to Smart & Final and stock up, what an idiot...
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[QUOTE=StudioCat]I love my Lotus Elise. How does the song go? Older whiskey, faster cars, younger women. I live in Queens. The drive home at 80mph on the Long island Expressway clears my head. What's wrong with that?[/QUOTE]
Most probably very little is wrong with that if you're driving at a time where you can hit 80mph on that road, as long as you're not running over anybody who isn't a waste of oxygen ;)
The ketchup guy, the funny thing is I know EXACTLY what he's talking about. Heinz REALLY is the best ketchup. But in the end, either give up the ketchup, or move where the ketchup is good and cheap if its so goddamn important to you. I decided a long time ago ketchup is just unhealthy anyways. :P
RN, Aus immigration is hard on Yanks AND Canucks. The reall good thing is that you guys have anmesty every 5 years or so I believe. I had some Canadian friends who were just beach bums until the next amnesty came along and then got legit jobs and settled.
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[QUOTE=Mmbmmb]
Besides someone has to be really naïve if she/he thinks that US is paradise where one can find a great job because in US everything is possible. It doesn’t matter where you live if you want to make good money you have to 1) know local language (fluently) 2) graduate university ( best a local one) 3) have an idea for your own business 4) to be a specialist for example in cardiosurgery (= university + years of work experience)
Gentlemen, you look for a women who’s beautiful, intelligent, feminine, who will take care of your children and who will work at an office making extra money.[/QUOTE]
These are good points concerning generating wealth, but only about 20 percent of the millionaires in the United States have masters degrees or better. Around 8 percent have law degrees and 6 percent have medical degrees. I know a few (relatively) young cardiologists - it's true they will soon be earning a lot of money - but they have spent a lot of years not working and have significant debt. They also have lifestyles that may discourage savings/investing in favor of consuming. They are not rich, but they can generate a lot of income, generating income is not the same thing as building wealth.
[url]http://www.nytimes.com/books/first/s/stanley-millionaire.html?_r=1&oref=slogin[/url]
You don't need to be book smart (obviously, it helps) in order to make money in the United States, you can make money the old way - work hard and be tight with your money. It's easier in the USA than many other countries, because our tax system encourages it more than a lot of other countries. However, it's not much fun. If you go down that path, more often than not, you need a wife that is more frugal than you. Certainly, if you marry someone who enjoys spending money and can not constrain themselves, you are not going to generate a lot of wealth. At least not as much as you could.
[url]http://www.pbs.org/kcts/affluenza/[/url]
So, I think, if you are looking for a "good" wife you probably are better off finding someone who understands how hard it is to earn and keep money. I know a few American women like this. Interestingly, the most frugal woman I know of - after my grandmother - lives on the Upper East Side NYC. She's an old Yankee. Tight with a dollar. I know a couple of sweet AW's that are [i]kind of [/i] like this, but they certainly would enjoy a trip to Paris or Bali if they had the opportunity. Of course, as an American guy, I know a lot of AWs who could blow [i] any [/i] amount of money in short order. In contrast, I know a Colombiana who actually keeps me from spending money on things or activites that don't generate income or meet basic needs.
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[QUOTE=Jelly Donut]These are good points concerning generating wealth, but only about 20 percent of the millionaires in the United States have masters degrees or better. Around 8 percent have law degrees and 6 percent have medical degrees. I know a few (relatively) young cardiologists - it's true they will soon be earning a lot of money - but they have spent a lot of years not working and have significant debt. They also have lifestyles that may discourage savings/investing in favor of consuming. They are not rich, but they can generate a lot of income, generating income is not the same thing as building wealth.
You don't need to be book smart (obviously, it helps) in order to make money in the United States, you can make money the old way - work hard and be tight with your money. It's easier in the USA than many other countries, because our tax system encourages it more than a lot of other countries. However, it's not much fun. If you go down that path, more often than not, you need a wife that is more frugal than you. Certainly, if you marry someone who enjoys spending money and can not constrain themselves, you are not going to generate a lot of wealth. At least not as much as you could.
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I cannot express just how 'spot on' (as they say in England) what JD has written. Anyone who wants to get rich in the US need to print his post and frame it!
I think 2 economists wrote a book on millionaires in the US about 5 years ago. They found that getting rich is much more related to how much one [i]saves[/i] than about how much one [i]earns[/i]. Every financial advisor I have every come accross has emphasized that if a person starts saving [b]regularly[/b] at a young age (say 21), he or she can accumulate [i]millions[/i] of dollars by retirement age. The magic is something called compounding; earning interest on previously earned interest.
Of course, staying on a long-term saving regimen takes discipline and an aversion to the wanton materialism of US society. It also means focusing away from the earnings rat-race in which one's self worth is measured by one's salary.
I have not met many women in the US who have such discipline and lifestyle. I had childhood friends whose parents grew up in the shadow of the Great Depression. [i]They[/i], the parents, had financial discipline. I think most people these days living in wealthy, stable countries with generous safety nets have no idea of the terror and horror of financial ruin in the 1930's. It wasn't for nothing that many committed suicide. I have not met many men who don't put a great deal of their self-worth into making more money than the next guy, and showing it by [i]spending[/i] more money than the next guy.
The current housing correction may bring back some discipline but I think the correction would have to last many years for it to sink into thick skulls.
If a man, who is so inclined, wants to live a more frugal lifestyle and save more of his hard-earned money, he will have difficulty finding a suitable mate in the US. From what I see, US women are even more consumerist and materialistic than US men becuase they use consumer items to show how well they have beaten sexism and become financially successful. I still recommend looking abroad for wives.
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You have a point there George. My neighbors here in the Bronx were both born in 1927, and so grew up in the Depression and they say that the 30s were the WORST years NYC ever saw, much worse than all the mayhem of the 60s 70s and 80s. They DID have some form of help in those days, called 'home relief' but it was basically just enough to keep families from outright starving to death.
NYC is probably one of the only places in this country where you even have a ghost's chance in hell of getting a date without a car. But even then, if you live too simply you are GONE, completely off the radar.
Let me tell you about the night I separated from my now ex-wife. We had been fighting for weeks on end straight and decided to go out together for a night on the town to try and reconcile and let some steam off. So she wanted to go see a Broadway play and I wanted to try out this new Argentinian restuarant. We went and say the play, it sucked, but I didn't say anything not wanting to ruin the evening. Now it was 10:30pm, and to get to the restaurant, all we had to do is hop on the #1 train, we were right at an entrance to the station and it was a block away on the other end. Fucking ***** REFUSES to go into the subway despite the fact that it's next to impossible to get a cab in the theater district right after the shows let out. So we stand there for 25 minutes trying to get a cab, finally she relents, fuming, and we take the fucking train. Needless to say we had another blowout, but it didn't even matter to me anymore. I knew that was my last straw.
I don't EVER think of a girls' race background or nationality as far as relationships are concerned but I knew that as far as the two of us human beings were concerned we were not meant to be together.
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]Let me tell you about the night I separated from my now ex-wife. We had been fighting for weeks on end straight and decided to go out together for a night on the town to try and reconcile and let some steam off. So she wanted to go see a Broadway play and I wanted to try out this new Argentinian restuarant. We went and say the play, it sucked, but I didn't say anything not wanting to ruin the evening. Now it was 10:30pm, and to get to the restaurant, all we had to do is hop on the #1 train, we were right at an entrance to the station and it was a block away on the other end. Fucking ***** REFUSES to go into the subway despite the fact that it's next to impossible to get a cab in the theater district right after the shows let out. So we stand there for 25 minutes trying to get a cab, finally she relents, fuming, and we take the fucking train. Needless to say we had another blowout, but it didn't even matter to me anymore. I knew that was my last straw.
I don't EVER think of a girls' race background or nationality as far as relationships are concerned but I knew that as far as the two of us human beings were concerned we were not meant to be together.[/QUOTE]
In my case I concluded that my ex was just not meant to live with other human beings. She was from NYC and had the attitude typical of the women who grow up there. I got tired of watching her treat waiters, cashiers and anyone else who was forced to deal with her like shit. I don't think she'd fare well in her old age if she ends up needing caretakers to feed her and wipe her ass!
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[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]National pride is a dangerous thing sometimes. I'll lay off the patriotism. :)
Our young women aren't going anywhere - we simply don't have any. There's no young men, either. A significant percentage of our population is well over fifty years old. Our ageing population is actually reaching crisis point, with the Government frantically trying to put things in place to cope with the massive skills shortages and pension claims that will occur when all the baby boomers start dropping out of the workforce, en masse. Our Government is even paying out thousands of dollars in 'baby bonuses' to everyone who gives birth (regardless of their income) to encourage us to 'go forth and procreate'.
I don't know that America is a primary destination for Aussies to look for work - although, I'm sure plenty do. But the US isn't very agreeable when it comes to giving out work visas to Australians. (We're not too keen on giving them to American's, either. Not sure where all this hostility is coming from!)Traditionally, Aussies head to the UK and Ireland, where work visas are much easier for us to obtain and the pound is worth so much more than our dollar. We can go to NZ without visas at all, which some people take advantage of for a change of scenery, but their dollar is worth less than ours, so it's not much of a money spinner.
It would be interesting to find out the age bracket that those half a million Aussies visiting the US fit into. With the first stages of the baby boomers' retirements already well underway, we've seen the rise of what we call the 'Grey Nomads' - retirees who sell up, buy a caravan or mobile home and just travel around Australia, indefinitely. Literally thousands of them. A significant number are also travelling overseas. I wouldn't be surprised if they account for a very large percentage of your Aussie visitors.[/QUOTE]
Nationalism and Patriotism are two different things thinking you are better than someone because you come from country a and being proud of country a are two different things. There was some nationalistic feeling in the USA post 911, a lot of that has disappeared with the Iraq debacle.
I had a friend in Melbourne who was offered a job in Northern England, he turned it down flat, why? Despite the pound being worth more, the cost of living in the UK is absolutely expensive. He found its better just to visit Europe than to live there forever.
As far as Americans having trouble getting permits for Australia, this is true, because the education systems are somewhat different, for example a medical degree in Australia is a Bachelor of Medicine and Surgery degree whereas in the USA it is a Doctor of Medicine. Americans usually have few problems immigrating to Canada. I immigrated to Australia seven years ago and back then it was not difficult. Now a US citizen would probably need to have an Australian qualification or be a Nurse, Doctor to get in.
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DJ FourMoney,
I’m sorry I answer you so late but I think that slowly I become workaholic and I have no time for anything else.
My post was a little ironical too. I know that Ukrainian girls are pretty and it’s easy to fall in love with them but I’m sure you wouldn’t discriminate any nationality ;-)
The problem is you won’t find your princess picking up girls who admire only Benjamin Franklin or Ulysses Grant from among all Americans. Anyway as I wrote before don’t lose your faith :-)
From time to time I read your posts and I’m really interested if European women will be “better” for you then American ones. I guess that time will show everything.
Now I can tell you that Polish (and not only Polish) girls aren’t “giving up for free”.
You are daydreaming if you think that way :-)
But seriously DJ, I was thinking about problems you have to face ( hmm as a typical? AM) and I got to a conclusion that you look for nonexistent ideal. We wrote here about all the changes which took place in the modern culture etc and nobody can’t turn back time but sometimes I think that people are simply selfish and that’s the main problem here. The more I talk to people the more I see this attitude (that what’s the most important in the world is me, me and one more time me and my problems).
It’s interesting what you wrote in the thread about Kiev that
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney] “ I wouldn't be surprised if this venture costed you several thousands of dollars. For an amount like that I would seriously consider staying home or using FKK services in Germany where you can find Ukrainian, Russian, Romainan and Polish girls already working in these places for 50 Euro for 30 mins[/QUOTE]
To tell the truth before I read ISG I didn’t even know that something like these German clubs exist but it’s not the point. What’s interesting that in these clubs you can buy sex with beautiful, young women who would do everything what you dream about for 100 euro. It’s not a lot of money. I’m a little surprised that you still want to look for your princess. Ideal people don’t exist and maybe she won’t be so “easygoing” as the girls in the clubs. I mean that going to these places you just pay and you don’t care about anything. You can kiss with a blond Czech girl and after to have sex with brunette from Brazil. Do you know what I mean? You haven’t to strive for anything, you just pay. When you have a wife you have to reckon with her problems. If you quarrel with her, next day you will have to buy flowers and to assure that she’s the love of your life. If you go to the club and you don’t like the girl you just take another one.
The relationships are expensive and demanding. I don’t talk only about money. I also buy my boyfriend different presents e.g. a golden cross. But buying it I was thinking about a charm which could protect him not about how much money it costs. I invest not only dollars but also feelings in my relationship. I really don’t care of all the stuff I gave him. They were presents which showed him my care and love and I won’t take them to the grave with myself so why should I care about these things? It really hurts when you trusted/ loved someone and this person will treat you as a disposable thing.
Well, once I asked you to describe what you understand under the word “love” but any of you didn’t do this. So DJ, what are you looking for? You go to all these places and I’m sure it gives you new, exciting experience but do you really want to find love in Kiev during weekly holidays? In FKK I think you won’t find your princess too.
BTW, I can tell you that online sucks. If you have no choice it’s better then nothing but it won’t replace daily contact. I tried it and I’m disappointed. I didn’t stop to love this person but internet it’s a solution only for a short period of time.
Maybe if I can help you somehow I’ll write what I think writing about love.
It’s when
- the beloved person is also your best-friend who will support you even if you’re poor, ill, unemployed etc.
-someone cares about your problems and tries to solve them with you
-someone isn’t selfish and thinks: our problems, family, money, work etc, not MY…..
- someone works on the relationship, thinks how to improve it, not only during the first year of it
- people also enjoy sex in their relationship. Sex is normal and very important part of relationship but it isn’t its basis
- people show each other tenderness, care etc
Generally theory about plants-people is still actual.
I know that it’s not perfect description if such description exists at all. It’s similar to the situation when you want to describe colors to a blind person.
DJ, I want to say that if you decide for serious relationship you have to realize that the phase of passion will pass soon. I mean that one day your beautiful wife can fart at bed and you will leave your dirty socks at a chair. Sorry if it’s not romantic but this is normal life. Any woman can’t be Barbie doll forever even if she’s a beautiful Ukrainian girl. I’m also sure that even handsome Pierce Brosnan belches from time to time and he doesn’t look so elegant at these moments.
If you think that somewhere there is a woman who will be so hot and kinky as the girls in FKK but on the other hand she would be innocent, young, a little submissive and a little independent, who would love to have children and to prepare food for the family all day long (did I forget something? :-)), you can be disappointed not only of Ukraine but also of Poland, Germany, Italy, Kazakhstan, China and so on.
Jelly Donut,
You write about millionaires and it’s only small % of society. You are right that one hasn’t to be well-educated in order to make money in the United States. It’s one of the wealthiest country in the world and working physically you still can buy a lot of goods but we can’t know what will be in the future. Maybe when eg Chinese people get rich (= they also want to have big cars, air condition at home etc) the prices of oil, gas, energy will increase. Will an average construction worker be able to maintain the same standard of living? Someone with knowledge and practical skills will demand more money for their service then unqualified worker. A propos doctors, once I went to a public hospital in Poland because I had to see a general practitioner. They said that I can go to the only one doctor or to wait about 2 weeks for a visit to a doctor I saw last time. I said that I need to see a doctor now so I can go to see this guy. It doesn’t matter for me, I won’t wait 2 weeks. It turned out that the doctor was Tunisian and even if he was nice and he tried to help me I had impression that he didn’t understand to the end what I said to him in Polish. So I said to myself that I won’t use public health service but the private sector is expensive. On the other hand I prefer to pay more money and be sure that diagnosis is proper then to spend much more money later for the reason of complications. Unluckily not all Polish people have access and possibility to use private health service.
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[QUOTE=Jelly Donut]
They are not rich, but they can generate a lot of income, generating income is not the same thing as building wealth[/QUOTE]
Yes, it’s not the same though how do you want to build wealth if you can’t generate income? Besides if the cardiologist you know have lifestyles that may discourage savings/investing in favor of consuming it’s a question of their character. I don’t see the connection between the education and the snobbery. Maybe snobbery isn’t the best word here. It’s a question of priority. Some people prefer to have a big, expensive wedding, the others would prefer to have a modest ceremony and to go to Brazil for honeymoon. Is it wrong if you have money for it? I think that money isn’t the aim of life, it’s only the mean which let to realize the life’s aims.
Of course there is a problem if you haven’t any discipline but it’s still about someone’s character and I don’t see the connection with the education.
Writing the points in my last thread I meant that a hard working, intelligent person with university degree always has better chances to achieve success then unskilled immigrant who doesn’t speak the local language.
If you have a girlfriend who keeps you from spending money it’s great but I don’t think she could do anything if you hadn’t the financial discipline. And if we talk about the wives who like spending too much money we had another saying in Poland “You saw what you took so don’t complain now” ;-)
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]...they say that the 30s were the WORST years NYC ever saw, much worse than all the mayhem of the 60s 70s and 80s.[/QUOTE]
NYC of the 60s, 70s, and 80s was far better than present day NYC, Bango. It had more, better, and cheaper hookers. Gulianai ruined the city (in fairness every american city was ruined between 1980 and 2000).
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It is hard to have a good quality of life in a large US city, in fact.... unless you are ultra rich, forget about it. Most American cities have went downhill for a number of reasons, mainly the fact that the gap between haves and have nots has become too wide. The same scenario is playing itself out around the world.
There are still many places in America where one could have a good life, I have a cousin who grew up in the South and seems to live quite well on a moderate income, gets plenty of women, even banged a Miss America contestant. There are fewer distractions in smaller places, so women behave differently. I traveled a few times to a small town in Georgia, and saw a huge difference in how women behave compared to the big cities.
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[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]There are still many places in America where one could have a good life, I have a cousin who grew up in the South and seems to live quite well on a moderate income, gets plenty of women, even banged a Miss America contestant. There are fewer distractions in smaller places, so women behave differently. I traveled a few times to a small town in Georgia, and saw a huge difference in how women behave compared to the big cities.[/QUOTE]
While that is very true, I am not convinced one is able to regularly bang women of the caliber of Miss America contestants. I have read the posts of men who live in rural counties. They are farmers. They say that if a man doesn't marry by 18 or 19, he may [i]never[/i] get married at all! The women who are marriage material either leave town and go to college in big city or marry right out of high school. The rest aren't marriage material. They are either obese, crazy, dumb, or all three. One guy said that an average looking women from a large city could be the prettiest women in 4 or 5 rural counties. What he described made it understandable why a man's sister or cousin would start to look good if he was drunk.
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Well you can always import if you know what I mean. I think keeping a woman from a foreign country in a small town would be better than a big city, she would always feel a bit foreign.
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Keep her in a small town?
Well that would partly depend on what she was used to back home. My wife lived in a city where there are about 6 million people. Now we live in a Canadian city with maybe 700,000 tops. She went with me to visit my old home town (pop 40,000) and told me she was glad we didn't have to live there.
Why? Because it would have been totally boring. Even where we are right now, the night life doesn't compare. Sure the roads are better and people drive nicer cars. But there's a lot more to living and being happy than these material things.
Something to think about for those planning to "import".
Rock
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women
I have spent the last 4 months moving from Christchurch New Zealand, pop 300,000 to a little town in Australia pop 60,000. Between moving country I took a tour (work related) through the mid west of America. Now I have to say I think women are the same the world over. I think quality of life is not achieved in either a big city or a small city but in a inner peace and happiness. Theres just more to do in a big city, not a bad thing either. Smaller cities offer a different entertainment and it will mainly be around your friendship circle more than clubs and pubs.
They want Money, security etc. Its the same things our mothers wanted (although granted they didn't have the job opportunities we have now) its the same thing our grandmothers wanted.
Sadly for you men I can't see this changing for a while. When it does and you men can openly date only wealthy women you will know that equality has been reached.
This basic need women have for financial security is based on the fact that we might have to give up our career to have children and stay at home for a few years (choices ofcourse). While we are staying at home, doing the taxi duty to school and sports etc we want to know that the man that we have given up our career for can support us. I know it might be wrong to think like that but if a woman is honest that is how they think. Who knows why I doubt we even know ourselves.
As for the car issue. Cars are a sign of wealth, generally you can sum up how much a man or woman earns by the car they drive. Women are not the only ones to do this, men do it to each other as well. Its just a pity that we all forget that most people don't own the car they drive but are working their backsides off to make the payments and insurance.
Really wealth is health and not financial. Its happiness and honesty and dating someone that you are comfortable with. In the end if you don't want the cost of the date and divorce find a good hooker. It will probably be cheaper to see her once a week than pay for the divorce.
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CB I think your theory is half-baked.
You know what would most likely happen in that situation? The woman would have a breakdown and pack her bags and head straight fucking back where she came from!
Most women who come here for marriage SEVERELY miss their own countries, and it's a huge sacrifice for them to come here. People have this motherfucking arrogant attitude that they are doing these girls a FAVOR by taking them away.
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Well it is better that she likes you for you and not that she is in a desperate situation and looking to escape. The lady I met is not desperate, she seems to live well but not luxuriously, has an ok job and her own apartment, but gets bored and thinks I entertain her well. Lets see how long this lasts, regardless, in this new century women are all going to be the same. If you really want loyal company, get a puppy.
Girls in other countries have lower standards, but they have a similar logic as AWs, they want a guy that can take care of them. The girl I met, her father is a drunk alcholic and she says most of the men in her country are like that. So me who is not a drunk and a wife beater, I am a something different to her.
Who knows if you are doing them a favor, in some circumstances, if you take them in, and take care of them, yes. If you plan to make them your servant, no.
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Men Are Not Women
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That is the typical double standard...
If I use Sex Services where it is legal, I must not be serious about a long term relationship.
So as I am searching for my beloved, I need to go without any???
That just doesn't make any sense...
I went to Kiev to meet the previously mentioned and didn't use any services though I thought about it seriously when I was at River Palace. I don't believe I'll be able to ever pull a woman that looked like the one I pulled under normal circumstances and I didn't "take out" I left her there.
I had a feeling the "Professional Clubber" was a Part-timer and when she confirmed what I had thought was the case, I declined her offer.
So no I wasn't a Sex Tourist in Kiev... Neither was I in Germany, even though I used it, its because it was:
a) Local (Frankfurt RLD)
b) inexpensive by American standards
And I only used it when my German contacts all went sour.
So I spent the last 15 days of my trip to build a new roster, get laid and go with my last trump card, which was Kiev oddly enough.
Success after 3 days and I have it on video if your curious... ;)
What I want is not unreasonable at all and very possible. Without knowing me on a personal level maybe I have a hard time trying to convince you that my reasons are sincere.
I like the Kiev woman, I just feel I can do a bit better, so my search continues.
You must like replying to my post, I thought you had a boyfriend???
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[QUOTE=Mmbmmb]
Yes, it’s not the same though how do you want to build wealth if you can’t generate income? Besides if the cardiologist you know have lifestyles that may discourage savings/investing in favor of consuming it’s a question of their character.[/QUOTE]
You need to be able to generate [i]some[/i] income. The main problem for people in the United States is that they tend to spend all (or even more) than what they earn. So, if you earn a lot you spend a lot. If you earn more, you spend more. There's no savings to fall back on; no investments generating income.
I'm not sure exactly what you are thinking when you are talking about the "character" of these buddy doctors. These folks are good people. If they don't have much financial discipline, well, not a lot of Americans do. Most people adopt financial discipline because circumstances demand it and give it up when it's not required.
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Its not easy to make money anywhere on the planet, everywhere you go its the same. The girl I met thought she was going to live real well in Germany and found out the hard truth. She just squeaks by, anything she earns gets spent very quickly.
Doctors in the US earn big money, if I am not mistaken the average PCP can make over 200K a year, several times the average salary of an American worker. Of course it would be easy for them to save with their high earnings, but for the average person, this does not work.
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Anybody can end up with lot's of money if they really want it. It's a matter of the choices they make in life and what kind of plans they have. Get rich quick is simply not realistic for 98% of all people.
But if you were 20 yrs old (male or female) and you wanted to be well-off by sometime in your 40's..... that's not impossible at all. Go get educated, work steady, leave off on expensive houses and cars, and don't get married. You'll be 45 years old and able to consider retirement in the country of your choice.
Wanna drive a fancy newer car all the time? OK fine, but is it worth having if it means you're putting off your retirement for an extra 5 years? Maybe not... but it's a choice. Wanna get a big show home? Go for it..... cost 10 years minimum. Wanna get married and have kids? You'll be paying for that one way or another until the day you die.
People are always bitching and whining about how they "can't get ahead". Maybe they could get ahead if they didn't keep putting themselves in the hole all the time with the choices they make.
Oh, and please don't anybody try telling me how home ownership is such a great investment. It's not. Property taxes, interest charges on the mortgage, utilities and insurance will (over the long run) cost you way more than you'll ever make from increased property value.
Rock
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[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]Doctors in the US earn big money, if I am not mistaken the average PCP can make over 200K a year, several times the average salary of an American worker. Of course it would be easy for them to save with their high earnings, but for the average person, this does not work.[/QUOTE]
It's getting more difficult for Doctors to make the big $$$$$ because their Medical malpractice insurance rates are so high and also having to deal with the insurance paper work of their patients. It's not a life I envy at all. In the old days it was pretty easy for them to make the big $$$$ but not any more.
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It's even worse
Astor Bryan,
Yes, you are correct in reference to malpractice insurance. It's a killer.
What's even worse are the HMO's and their networks. If you want to be in the HMO network, you have to take their "lowball" fees and write everything else off. A doc in America could make great money prior to the HMO movement but those were the good old days.
So, if you factor in malpractice insurance, HMO lowballing, student loans, overhead, federal tax, state tax and private employment tax, etc., these guys are facing major league issues.
Paddy
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Rock, you gotta remember, you live in one of the WORST places on the globe to invest in real estate.
My parents just barely broke even three times in the past couple decades on houses, not even counting for inflation :P
On the other hand, here in the Bronx I just about doubled the money I put into a house in just over 3 years!
And the place we are buying in Colombia has gone up 25% just in 6 months!
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[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]Its not easy to make money anywhere on the planet, everywhere you go its the same. The girl I met thought she was going to live real well in Germany and found out the hard truth. She just squeaks by, anything she earns gets spent very quickly.[/QUOTE]
Ok, so you meet (obviously) poor [u]immigrants[/u] in Germany and then keep posting about German girls not being able to afford a car, among others?
Your pseudo analysis is a joke. Dude, you know nothing about Germany and Germans, so save the bandwidth, ok?
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[QUOTE=Leeuwen]Ok, so you meet (obviously) poor [u]immigrants[/u] in Germany and then keep posting about German girls not being able to afford a car, among others?
Your pseudo analysis is a joke. Dude, you know nothing about Germany and Germans, so save the bandwidth, ok?[/QUOTE]
It depends upon the type of the car, most European cars tend to be small economy sized models. I did not think the girl I met was poor she seemed to live
ok. 200K plus a year is a pretty good physician income a lot more than most European countries, including Germany, oh fyi the lady who rented me my apartment just happens to be a German physician, she rents places to make extra cash. Oh and another thing, I actually have several doctors in my family, and I really don't think they are suffering financially, of course HMOs and malpractice costs are hitting them but they are still earning well.
There is a flood of EE women in Western Europe, no big surprise, people go where they perceive there is money but Europe is still anti immigrant and even a blonde EE has difficulty integrating into Western European countries. I have seen EE women in Hong Kong and Dubai as well, it won't surprise me to see more white faces in Asia in the coming years.
Leeuwen, I do know that Germans tend to be among the most miserable people on Earth. Having spent an extended period of time there I would not want to live in Germany.
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Alright, just don't assume I ever questioned income of American MDs, because I didn't.
Investing in properties and renting apartments is quite a big business over here. You still own your apartment, its value increases every year, plus you make money out of it.
Also our EE cousins noticed this business can provide a well needed income. What is really annoying, is that they charge more or less WE rates for a rat hole you wouldn't pay even fraction of what they ask for.
For instance, an apartment in Minsk (Belorus) costs on average 50 euro a day. Say the owner gets 7 booked nights. That makes 350 euro. Compare it to average monthly salary there, which is 200-250 euro. Not bad, huh?
Regarding Germans - Yes, not the most beloved people on planet Earth, but who cares? Certainly not Germans.
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Dj FourMoney,
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]That is the typical double standard.
If I use Sex Services where it is legal, I must not be serious about a long term relationship.
So as I am searching for my beloved, I need to go without any?
That just doesn't make any sense. [/QUOTE]Double standard? Hmmm, I only asked how do you want to find love going to FFK or River Palace?
Any what? Sex? Of course you can go and look for it. And it doesn’t matter if it’s legal or not. I think you could do the same in Kiev, Poland, USA or Norway. In my country it isn’t legal but I didn’t hear that someone went to jail because he slept with a prostitute
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]So no I wasn't a Sex Tourist in Kiev. Neither was I in Germany, even though I used it, its because it was:
A) Local (Frankfurt RLD)
Be) inexpensive by American standards
And I only used it when my German contacts all went sour.
So I spent the last 15 days of my trip to build a new roster, get laid and go with my last trump card, which was Kiev oddly enough.
Success after 3 days and I have it on video if your curious. [/QUOTE]DJ, imagine that an American guy is going to Thailand. He wants to relax on the beach and to meet pretty girls what doesn’t mean that he came there as a sex tourist. During his stay he meets only hookers or hhmm let’s say "damaged" women. He sees that the local girls are hot and so inexpensive by American standard and because he’s already in Thailand why shouldn’t he have some fun? How do you think, how local people would call such holidays if not sex tourism?
But the name you call it isn't really important. [QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]So I spent the last 15 days of my trip to build a new roster, get laid and go with my last trump card, which was Kiev oddly enough.
Success after 3 days and I have it on video if your curious.
What I want is not unreasonable at all and very possible. Without knowing me on a personal level maybe I have a hard time trying to convince you that my reasons are sincere.
I like the Kiev woman, I just feel I can do a bit better, so my search continues. You must like replying to my post, I thought you had a boyfriend? [/QUOTE]No DJ, I’m not so curious though I’m sure the video is interesting:.)
And yes, I have a boyfriend, a wonderful man, but it doesn’t change the fact that I can like you. And I like you because I really believe that, even without knowing you on personal level, your reasons are sincere. And as the only one man you decided to stop complaining and to check by yourself if Europe is a paradise full of decent women.
I should apologize you for my post from 6th July. It was not only ironical but also malicious. I shouldn’t write it. I did it maybe because lately, more and more, I become cynical. I’m sorry.
You know DJ, I write what I think because I know we’ll never meet in the real life and nobody will sue me, you, Jelly Donut or anyone else on this forum for what we write. I think it’s sick if a man approaches woman, he tells her that she’s beautiful and after he’s arrested and accused of harassment. And as we know it can happen, thanks the post of Super Brko. If people can’t talk to each other anymore we’ll come one day to a situation that we’ll be afraid to answer the question "what time is it? " because the personal dignity of someone can be destroyed by the tone of our voice or the face expression. Nobody would like to pay 10 000 $ for it. Do you know what I mean?
And if we can talk sincerely and because men aren't women I’ll write you why young women (not only American) don’t want to have family nowadays. The answer is simple: because it’s fucking unprofitable.
We live in a world where money is nearly a deity and people care only of themselves. I live in Poland so let my country be an example but I don’t think that the situation in USA is so much different.
1)When a girl graduate university she‘ll look for a good job. The employers don’t look for a young girl who can have babies soon (= who will go to a maternity leave, take days-off because the children are I'll, can’t stay longer at work etc)
2)The cost of raising a child is very high. The state doesn’t help. The public health service and schools are mostly shitty. The people I know pay a lot of money not only for private pediatricians but also private tutors, sport classes and so on. Why should you spend your money on child if you could go for holidays in Brazil or to buy a new Lexus? 3)Family needs time. How will you find it if you work 10-12h a day? If you want to earn decent money 10-12 h day of work is normal. In Poland additionally the society is still conservative. Women should take care of house and children. Young girls don’t want anymore to have 2 jobs, at home and outside it.
4)When you have a child, for at least the first 3 years of its life it needs intense care of mother. It’s 3 years when you shouldn’t work and if you don’t work you have no income. Often you don’t pay a fee for your retirement and you depend on the husband’s income. It isn’t comfortable situation when you ask someone else for money. You also waste years which you could use to gain more work experiences, additional education etc
5)Raising children and caring about the house a lot of women don’t work. What will happen if a husband dies or wants a divorce. Suddenly you’re in situation when you have not only to take care of children and house but you think where to find good job, having no work experiences and qualifications because through 10 years you was only a cleaning lady, a cook and a nanny.
6)Being pregnant means often to put on weight, stretch marks, cellulite and other things which won’t help you to feel like Pam Andreson. In the world where appearance is as much important as money you prefer to adopt a child from Africa, Asia or South America. You not only will save you silhouette but also you’ll show your friends how wonderful heart you have. And what’s more important you can adopt a child even when you’re 40, giving birth to your own one is risky at this age.
7)Having family you have to agree for compromises. If you’re single you can do what you want. Besides being a single isn’t a social stigma anymore. It’s even in fashion. There are holidays for singles, clubs for singles, cafés for singles and soon there will be bank accounts, credits, cars, stores etc for singles. When you have no family it doesn’t mean that you’re sitting at home alone watching TV.
Now family is expensive and demanding duty for the rest of your life, especially for a woman. Who would like to decide for it? The argument that you’ll have care at old age is a bullshit. When you are 70 your children have their own family, problems and jobs. Now people have no opportunities to take care of their parents because they work and sometimes live in the other part of the country. And nobody won’t decide to give up a job because he/she won’t be able to pay for eg mother’s medicines. Child is an luxury good now, not a cheap worker and help at home as it was in the past when we talk about developed countries.
And does one really need a husband now? When you have a husband you have to take care about him, support him, help him with his problems etc. Isn’t it unnecessary problem? Especially if in 15-20 years he will want to replace you by "a new model". You can have sex with your acquaintance, eventually to simply pay for it. I’ve heard that Egypt or Tunisia are perfect places for sex tourism for women. You can find there cheap, exotic, handsome boys and nobody will know what you were doing during holidays. And the boys don’t care if you’re 50 or 60 and how you look.
I started to think that we live in unfair world where people are disposable thing and all discussion here is "art for art" as we say in Poland. But maybe I became really cynical.
It’s interesting what Jelly Donut wrote:
[QUOTE=Jelly Donut]You need to be able to generate some income. The main problem for people in the United States is that they tend to spend all (or even more) than what they earn. So, if you earn a lot you spend a lot. If you earn more, you spend more. There's no savings to fall back on; no investments generating income. I'm not sure exactly what you are thinking when you are talking about the "character" of these buddy doctors. These folks are good people. If they don't have much financial discipline, well, not a lot of Americans do. Most people adopt financial discipline because circumstances demand it and give it up when it's not required[/QUOTE]Writing about character I meant that it doesn’t matter if you’re a doctor, a worker constructor or a lawyer. The amount of money you spend has nothing to do with someone’s education. It depends how strong is someone’s character, if this person can say to oneself " I can live without it. I prefer to drive old Ford but to save money and to invest it at home or something else". I was writing about a character which help you to bear hardships of life. JD is right. A lot of people in developed countries have so good conditions of life that they can’t imagine their grandparents lived in the other way. I remember how my grandparent told me about his childhood during the II World War and when he was finding dead bodies in the forest. He also told me that even before the war education was so expensive that most people finished only primary school and they hadn’t washing machines, cars or microwaves. Will the tough circumstances force people to the discipline (not only financial)? I remember the Hurricane Katrina in Louisiana and the news that someone killed his sister because she didn’t want to share the last box of cereals with him so I wouldn’t want to convince myself about it.
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I never said the girl I met was poor or unemployed, she happens to work six days a week, and has been doing so for the last few years in various jobs, she is disappointed because she has university degree but is not employed in her field of interest, nothing glamorous but enough to live reasonably well. Still she feels very much isolated as a foreigner in Germany, she finds it hard to make friends, despite the fact that she could pass for a German with a white face and blonde hair blue eyes.
Bango, I wasn't going to take her back to the US, I was thinking Australia where I have been a permanent resident for the last seven years, a country with the best beaches on the planet, 300 days of sunshine, a lower cost of living than Western Europe or the US, etc..
I don't recall saying that German girls were poor or could not afford a car.
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[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]Leeuwen, I do know that Germans tend to be among the most miserable people on Earth. Having spent an extended period of time there I would not want to live in Germany.[/QUOTE]
How so CBGB?? Please explain.
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[quote=astor bryan]how so cbgb?? please explain.[/quote]
talk to them, the vast majority are unhappy. it is very well known that germans
are among the most unhappy people in the world along with the french. i have met unhappy americans and australians but they tend to be far fewer. the ukrainian girl i met has lived there for five years and can tell you some stories. southern europeans tend to be more upbeat about life.
on another front, idea the european union as we know it today was actually planned by adolf hitler and the nazis. really scary shit. as expected there will be more political chaos around the world speeding up the asian century that is coming.
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[quote=cbgbconnisur]talk to them, the vast majority are unhappy. it is very well known that germans
are among the most unhappy people in the world along with the french. i have met unhappy americans and australians but they tend to be far fewer. the ukrainian girl i met has lived there for five years and can tell you some stories. southern europeans tend to be more upbeat about life.[/quote]
germans along with french among the most unhappy people in the world? "it is very well known"? says who? foxnews? quick search on the net and guess what i found.
out if 178 countries in [url=http://www.neweconomics.org/gen/uploads/dl44k145g5scuy453044gqbu11072006194758.pdf]world happiness index[/url] (quite ambitious document) following contenders are positioned as:
2. colombia
5. panama
6. cuba
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81. germany
129. france
139. australia
150. united states of america
174. ukraine
so you were wrong again, but let's agree on you having [u]highly subjective[/u] views and opinions.
life of an immigrant involves many hurdles, and germany is no exception. however everybody is free to leave.
[quote=cbgbconnisur]on another front, idea the european union as we know it today was actually planned by adolf hitler and the nazis. really scary shit. as expected there will be more political chaos around the world speeding up the asian century that is coming.[/quote]
right-wing fanatics "over there" would jump for joy if eu suddently was hit by a metorite or worse, but to trace birth of eu to adolf hitler...? man, you must know something rest of the world obviously has missed. it seems far too late to give you history lessons, but if there is [u]any[/u] reliable source supporting your statement, maybe you can be so kind and provide a link, ok?
where does this fear of nazis, asia (china, india?) come from? weakness?
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This is kind of a silly discussion.
The #1 country in that survey, for some reason you didn't include it, is NIGERIA!
Now Nigeria is DEFINITELY a place people miss when they move away and want to go back there, and there is definitely a lot people like about that place (believe it or not it's true), but there's also a great deal of suffering mixed in with that happiness...
One could formulate the theory that both extremes tend to complement each other, that is in places where there is a lot of suffering there tends to be a lot of exuberance on the other end of things to make up for it, whereas places in the middle tend to be just 'grey' but at the bottom of that list are many EE countries where there is definitely lots of mass suffering as well, and people are miserable according to the survey and suicide rates are high.
In the end it's a meaningless statistic at best IMO. You'll be EXTREMELY happy in Colombia if you are an immigrant who bought a house, rode the real estate wave up and sold at a healthy profit and are repatriating with all that money, you'll be in the depths of misery if you get embroiled with organized crime down there or if you are one of the few million displaced people. Most people are going to be somewhere in the middle obviously.
What should matter is where and how YOU are going to be happy YOURSELF.
Edit: I was thinking of a different survey with different criteria, where Colombia IS still #2 and Nigeria is #1. I just went through the whole pdf. Interesting but it still doesn't sell to me :P
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[QUOTE=Leeuwen]Germans along with French among the most unhappy people in the world? "It is very well known"? Says who? FoxNews? Quick search on the net and guess what I found.
Out if 178 countries in [url=http://www.neweconomics.org/gen/uploads/dl44k145g5scuy453044gqbu11072006194758.pdf]world happiness index[/url] (quite ambitious document) following contenders are positioned as:
2. Colombia
5. Panama
6. Cuba
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81. Germany
129. France
139. Australia
150. United States of America
174. Ukraine
So you were wrong again, but let's agree on you having [u]highly subjective[/u] views and opinions.
Life of an immigrant involves many hurdles, and Germany is no exception. However everybody is free to leave.
Right-wing fanatics "over there" would jump for joy if EU suddently was hit by a metorite or worse, but to trace birth of EU to Adolf Hitler...? Man, you must know something rest of the world obviously has missed. It seems far too late to give you history lessons, but if there is [u]any[/u] reliable source supporting your statement, maybe you can be so kind and provide a link, ok?
Where does this fear of Nazis, Asia (China, India?) come from? Weakness?[/QUOTE]
Kind of strange that a Dutchman would be offended by myself insulting Germans. Europe being linked by a single currency was planned by the Nazis themselves, although the EU today is much different, some ideas were planned by the Third Reich. Isn't it convenient how Germany is now the dominant European nation?
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[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]Europe being linked by a single currency was planned by the Nazis themselves, although the EU today is much different, some ideas were planned by the Third Reich. Isn't it convenient how Germany is now the dominant European nation?[/QUOTE]
Even though this is WAY off topic, I feel compelled to support Leeuwen and agree that the notion of the Nazis originating the idea of a unified Europe is absolutely ludicrous.
Someone or another has been trying to unify Europe for over 2,000 years! Take your pick of the Roman Caesars, the Mongols, the Huns, the Catholic Church, British monarchs, French monarchs, Russian Tsars, Napoleon, Kaiser Wilhelm and WWI.
You give too much credit to the Nazis, CBGB. Let's get back to discussing how to get more foreign women into our (sex) lives.
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Fair enough, back to topic. I think many women in other Western countries are not that much better than your average AW. In fact during my recent trip to Germany the best women I found were always immigrants from Eastern Europe and Russia. This is a similar pattern I see in the US and other wealthy countries, the women who come from immigrant groups tend to be different from those born in a Western nation. I am beginning to take a strong liking for Russian and Ukrainian women over many other nationalities, most seem to come from relatively modest backgrounds and don't seem to have the egos of their western counterparts. Its not they never change but for me I kind of feel sorry for these women, obviously they seem to have more modest expectations than most of your typical females from the West.
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Doesn't this discussion tend to go around on a circular path?
It starts with something like: AWs suck, crappy attitude, they're fat and greedy. Then someone else says how women from such and such an area are so much better...... with the best women being either Latinas or Eatern Euro women (ie. Ukrainian or Russian).
After that, someone (usually with a great deal of actual experience) comes along and says "Watch out for those ones, they can be a real handful!" Finally, we get a story about the guy who married one and guess what, she takes off, or fucks him over one way or another.
You just can't go believing in generalizations or stereotypes about anybody from anywhere. Maybe, on some kind of statistical overall basis, Russian/Ukrainian women are better than our local girls. But you aren't dealing with them on that kind of basis. You're dealing with the ones you meet. On an individual basis, I'll bet there's some real rotten apples out there.
I'm not just talking out of my ass either. I've heard firsthand stories from guys who hooked up with these women. They aren't perfect little angels..... not by a long shot! You think some hot little 21 yr old really prefers to get married to some middle-aged guy from another country? Especially when it's a guy who can't even speak 6 words of her own language? Naw man, she's looking at that guy as her ticket to a better situation.
Are there exceptions to this? Sure, there always are..... but what are the odds that you're gonna pick the one good one out of ten gold-diggers? Now if you're talking about pay for play instead of marriage, that's a whole different game. :D
Rock
ps. check out the pic..... anyone seriously think this girl is gonna stay with this guy?
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On a whole different topic.
Any of you guys ever have a really good looking girlfriend/significant other who is absolutely attractive..... and then you see some other woman who isn't nearly as nice as the one you're with, but you just want to do her anyways?
Today is a good example. I had this girl come in to where I work. She's maybe mid-twenties, single mom with a kid. Her face is average at best. Her tits are OK, but she has a nice slim ass and some pretty decent legs. Damn it, the only thing I could think about was how I'd love to shove it into her... and she's not even close to being as nice-looking as my wife.
I get this all the time. Some so-so looking women and I just want to do them all! Is it just me, or do you guys know what I'm talking about?
Rock
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For me it's just a matter of getting over the bar.
On some Colombian forums they argue for ages about which city really has the best looking women, I don't think it matters that much. Honestly as long as she's not a troll, emaciated, or morbidly obese and has nice healthy-looking skin and good teeth I can forgive just about anything else physically. And that goes ESPECIALLY for p4p. The good looking girls are always the worst performers, the average ones will knock your fucking socks off!
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[QUOTE=Rock Dog]Any of you guys ever have a really good looking girlfriend/significant other who is absolutely attractive..... and then you see some other woman who isn't nearly as nice as the one you're with, but you just want to do her anyways?
she's not even close to being as nice-looking as my wife. Rock[/QUOTE]
She must be a trophy wife. You have a good looking wife at home and yet you are out trolling for sex w/unattractive women. The only way I would be out looking for pussy, if I had a pretty wife, is if I was getting "ANY' at home. Unfortunately most American "pretty women" are so crappy at sex that I avoid them like the plague.
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Too funny about the Colombian women. Some girls from Medellin will straight-up tell you "All the girls in Bogota are ugly". You half expect them to pull out some publications from the American Association for the Advancement of Science backing up the statement.
RD. I think that's normal guy behavior. The worst is when the girl you want is your girlfriend's sister.
Got to love a website called "Simply Weddings" which features an article on "Top 10 Most Expensive Celebrity Divorces". Irony, insight and the American Woman...
[url]http://www.simplyweddings.com/content.asp?contentid=2419[/url]
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[QUOTE=Astor Bryan] You have a good looking wife at home and yet you are out trolling for sex w/unattractive women. [/QUOTE]
No man, you misunderstood. I'm not out there trolling for these girls. This girl turns me on in a whole different kind of way, but I've never made any kind of moves on her. I've taken a pretty good look at her ass when nobody's looking but that's it.
As for the part about trophy wife..... you betcha! And that ties in with what I was asking earlier. A guy gets the best looking woman he can posibly get, so you'd think that other women would no longer hold any interest for him. Particularly if they were just average looking. My point is that this isn't the case.
It seems like there is no one truly perfect woman..... maybe the only way a man can ever be 100% satisfied is to have a huge harem where he can have endless sexual variety. Next best thing? Termas, MPs and FKK clubs I guess.
Rock
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Yeah, but it's a real stupid assertion considering that there are like a million people born in and around Medellin now living in Bogota.
To tell the truth, it really must suck ass being a woman. If you are in that small percentage people consider attractive you get a GLUT of attention, like guys hanging off your tits 10 times a day or more!! If you're out of that little circle, you are chopped liver.
I'd say women in the DR, Brazil, or Colombia are on average EXTREMELY attractive by US or Canadian standards. This is probably part of the extreme attraction for guys, is that they can get a girl that won't get the time of day over there but in THEIR eyes she's considered a stunner.
And TBH most of that "extra" attractiveness just comes down to how they dress, how they do their hair and makeup, and how they present themselves. Although some of it also has to do with the abysmal diet we have in North America.
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[QUOTE=Rock Dog]Doesn't this discussion tend to go around on a circular path?
It starts with something like: AWs suck, crappy attitude, they're fat and greedy. Then someone else says how women from such and such an area are so much better...... with the best women being either Latinas or Eatern Euro women (ie. Ukrainian or Russian).
After that, someone (usually with a great deal of actual experience) comes along and says "Watch out for those ones, they can be a real handful!" Finally, we get a story about the guy who married one and guess what, she takes off, or fucks him over one way or another.
You just can't go believing in generalizations or stereotypes about anybody from anywhere. Maybe, on some kind of statistical overall basis, Russian/Ukrainian women are better than our local girls. But you aren't dealing with them on that kind of basis. You're dealing with the ones you meet. On an individual basis, I'll bet there's some real rotten apples out there.
I'm not just talking out of my ass either. I've heard firsthand stories from guys who hooked up with these women. They aren't perfect little angels..... not by a long shot! You think some hot little 21 yr old really prefers to get married to some middle-aged guy from another country? Especially when it's a guy who can't even speak 6 words of her own language? Naw man, she's looking at that guy as her ticket to a better situation.
Are there exceptions to this? Sure, there always are..... but what are the odds that you're gonna pick the one good one out of ten gold-diggers? Now if you're talking about pay for play instead of marriage, that's a whole different game. :D
Rock
ps. check out the pic..... anyone seriously think this girl is gonna stay with this guy?[/QUOTE]
Highly unlikely....unless the guy has a lot of cash. Money talks and bullshit walks.
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it had to be....
HELEN BRANSWELL AND SHERYL UBELACKER
Canadian Press
August 13, 2006 at 9:13 PM EDT
TORONTO — The world's richest man says that the key to stemming the epidemic of HIV-AIDS is getting more power — economic, sexual and political — in the hands of women.
[url]http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20060813.waidsnewopen0813/BNStory/Front/home[/url]
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well done. long awaited development. TA
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Mr. Gates' Hypocrisy
[QUOTE=That Asshole]HELEN BRANSWELL AND SHERYL UBELACKER
Canadian Press
August 13, 2006 at 9:13 PM EDT
TORONTO — The world's richest man says that the key to stemming the epidemic of HIV-AIDS is getting more power — economic, sexual and political — in the hands of women.
[url]http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20060813.waidsnewopen0813/BNStory/Front/home[/url]
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well done. long awaited development. TA[/QUOTE]
That is quite an interesting point of view for a man whose company is well known to use uncompetitive business practices to make unfair profits and has been the subject of much antitrust litigation. What about the consumer's right to say no to flawed virus ridden software? Apparently, Mr. Gates doesn't believe in empowering the consumer with the power to choose software options other than his own. Given his views concerning HIV/AIDS and the empowerment of women, one would think that he would be the champion of the public's right to stop the spread of viruses by rejecting his corporation's attempts to create a monopoly on the world's software market. After all, the threat posed to society by computer viruses is no less significant than that posed by sexually transmitted viruses.
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[QUOTE=Rock Dog]No man, you misunderstood. I'm not out there trolling for these girls. This girl turns me on in a whole different kind of way, but I've never made any kind of moves on her. I've taken a pretty good look at her ass when nobody's looking but that's it.
As for the part about trophy wife..... you betcha! And that ties in with what I was asking earlier. A guy gets the best looking woman he can posibly get, so you'd think that other women would no longer hold any interest for him. Particularly if they were just average looking. My point is that this isn't the case.
It seems like there is no one truly perfect woman..... maybe the only way a man can ever be 100% satisfied is to have a huge harem where he can have endless sexual variety. Next best thing? Termas, MPs and FKK clubs I guess.
Rock[/QUOTE]
......I like your thinking RD.
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[QUOTE=Rock Dog] Next best thing? [/QUOTE]
Well, this is how the Chinese used to do things....
"...the Emperor had as attendants a large number of wives and concubines of various ranks. These women totaled 121 (one-third of 365, to the nearest round number), including one empress, three consorts, nine spouses, twenty-seven concubines, and eight-one assistant concubines" [blue]Boorstin, Daniel J.: [u]The Discoverers: A History of Man's Search to Know His World and Himself[/blue][/u]
[url]http://www.amazon.com/Discoverers-History-Himself-Boorstin-Trilogy/dp/1842122274/ref=sr_1_2/102-5279250-9546549?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1185052101&sr=8-2[/url]
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[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]That is quite an interesting point of view for a man whose company is well known to use uncompetitive business practices to make unfair profits and has been the subject of much antitrust litigation. What about the consumer's right to say no to flawed virus ridden software? Apparently, Mr. Gates doesn't believe in empowering the consumer with the power to choose software options other than his own. Given his views concerning HIV/AIDS and the empowerment of women, one would think that he would be the champion of the public's right to stop the spread of viruses by rejecting his corporation's attempts to create a monopoly on the world's software market. After all, the threat posed to society by computer viruses is no less significant than that posed by sexually transmitted viruses.[/QUOTE]
I don't see why we should have such a problem with that. Dude, we are talking about women being forced to have sex against there will here!! You're not seriously fucking advocating that are you???
However you may wanna ***** about women there are some areas in which they are inherently superior to men. One of them is I believe they are in general much better judges of character, and MUCH better judges on when and when not to have a child.
The mayor of Cúcuta, a small town on the Colombia/Venezuela border, has a program in effect where he offers free tube-tying operations to women and free vasectomies to men, no questions asked. This town and the surrounding region were identified as one of the key areas of the country where the population was growing way too quickly.
Funny thing is they were flooded with women, especially women who had already had multiple children, and they had VERY few requests from the guys for vasectomies, despite it being a much easier procedure, with supposedly obvious benefits.
So much for Latin women being docile little breeders huh? :P And this is in a little hick town, in just about any city of over a million in Latin America the birthrate is consistent with cities in North America or Europe!!
Personally I applaud this. I don't think people should have kids they can't properly take care of, and that includes the TIME commitment, not just the financial one.
I also don't think IN GENERAL people over 40 should have kids, that is just the most disgustingly selfish and irresponsible thing! And any guy who is 40 or older looking to find a Latina wife and start breeding REALLY better check themselves. This is VERY counter-cultural in most of those countries. People deeply believe that one should have kids in ones 20s or 30s and not after.
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I also don't think IN GENERAL people over 40 should have kids, that is just the most disgustingly selfish and irresponsible thing! And any guy who is 40 or older looking to find a Latina wife and start breeding REALLY better check themselves. [/QUOTE]
Why do you think this? The reason I ask is, as far as I can tell, the main argument is that the father will be in his 60s or 70s when the kids graduate from high school or college. Also, that the father would not be able to keep up with the kid - play ball with him, things like that - when the kid is younger.
However, [i]people are generally living longer and heathier lives than ever before[/i]. This changes things in a way not seen before. It's certainly likely that a sixty year old dad is not going to be able to do everything that a 30 year old dad could do; although many of the 60 year old types I know are in better shape than the average American guy over 25.
Would you rather have a older dad that was financially independant and had time to spend with you when you were 1-12 years old? (It seems to me that once a child gets to be about 12, parents occupy a role where it doesn't really matter how young or old they are.) Or would you rather have a younger dad who had major constraints on his time, and significant stress when you were are kid and (likely) starts to be more dependant on you as you were starting a family yourself? Obviously, life is more art than science, but I think there are advantages to having an older father.
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Au contraire, the problem is when they hit puberty and Dad is hitting the Geritol.
THAT is when you REALLY need all the energy in the world to keep on top of them!!!
As for living longer lives, yes! Healthier, in the US I don't fucking think so. Most people's bodies are a wreck by middle age here, and by the time they are 60 they have half a pharmacy's worth of pills to take on a daily basis.
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]Yeah, but it's a real stupid assertion considering that there are like a million people born in and around Medellin now living in Bogota.
To tell the truth, it really must suck ass being a woman. If you are in that small percentage people consider attractive you get a GLUT of attention, like guys hanging off your tits 10 times a day or more!! If you're out of that little circle, you are chopped liver.
I'd say women in the DR, Brazil, or Colombia are on average EXTREMELY attractive by US or Canadian standards. This is probably part of the extreme attraction for guys, is that they can get a girl that won't get the time of day over there but in THEIR eyes she's considered a stunner.
And TBH most of that "extra" attractiveness just comes down to how they dress, how they do their hair and makeup, and how they present themselves. Although some of it also has to do with the abysmal diet we have in North America.[/QUOTE]
They are like this because of better personal maintenance, many American women have easy access to food and a fairly sedentary lifestyle. There is no guarantee that whatever beauty you meet in overseas will stay beautiful in America. I have seen many good looking women in Europe go untaken. Its just another flower patch to finding women.
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]I also don't think IN GENERAL people over 40 should have kids, that is just the most disgustingly selfish and irresponsible thing! And any guy who is 40 or older looking to find a Latina wife and start breeding REALLY better check themselves. This is VERY counter-cultural in most of those countries. People deeply believe that one should have kids in ones 20s or 30s and not after.[/QUOTE]
BC is WAY off base on this one! There is a preference in Latin countries for [i]certain[/i] women and men to have their children young. Becoming a parent is a sign that one is an adult. That is usually when a Latina leaves her parent's house and go lives with the father. Traditionally, a Latina lives with her parents until she marries. Those Latinas who want to leave home badly get pregnant very young with the first suitable man that pays attention. As we know, such unions do last long. Such women are usually poor and uneducated.
So, that part of Latin society that can see past a few years, the middle class and educated, do NOT have children young. They wait for a man who can offer a more stable marriage and family life. Frequently, that means a man who is 10 or so years older that she is.
I have met, and heard of, women who are in their 20s marrying and starting families with men in their 40s. I know this happens frequently in Colombia, Panama, Costa rica, Dominican Republic, etc. The woman is often poor and sees an older, better off man is the best way to gain security for her, her children, and possibly her parents.
The sentiments BC speaks of, I have only heard esxpressed among the elite class of Latin America.
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I don't think it happens as often as you think it does. I think it has to do with the segment of society someone on this board is likely to meet.
It depends a LOT on which country too. In the DR, it is not uncommon for kids still in high school to get married and move in with one family or the other until they can afford their own place, say around age NEVER or so :P
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I think men in general are better able to maintain themselves than women. The real issue is that past the age of 30 most men begin to lose lean body mass aka muscles. Weight training is important in maintaining or increasing that important part of your body mass. I am in my mid 30's and I think I look better than I did in my 20s. Its really all up to you. The reason why you see so middle aged wrecks has to due with very poor lifestyle choices.
A few friends that I lift weights with are in their late 30's early 40's and are in better shape than guys half their age. A man can maintain his appearance and his appeal to the opposite sex much longer than a woman.
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Hate Bounces Misogynists are not born they are made
How man hating and man bashing harms women:
Once, a long time ago when the world was young, I loved women with all my heart and soul. I grew up among strong competent women who understood that all living things need to be taken care of and will flourish if that happens. The men I grew up with knew that as well. Everyone knew that people must live and work together and find ways to cooperate and just deal with the inevitable differences that arise and keep them in perspective. They knew that people are not perfect, but that most of them try to be as good as they can manage. They took the measure of a person in wholeness, and if there was more good than bad to a person, they accepted that person's faults as being part of the package which was still valuable, if a bit flawed. After all, nobody really is perfect. We all knew that.
Then, something happened. And that something was called feminism. I remember the early days of the movement when it was called "Women's Liberation" which was a high sounding and noble cause in a country which is founded on a document which cites liberty as one of 3 inalienable rights that every person has. No one with a sense of fairness and an understanding of civics could be against women being liberated and treated fairly. And, there was also the promise that some of the ways men were being treated unfairly would change along with it.
And, as the old joke goes: if you believe that one, then I have some lakefront property in the Mojave Desert I'd like to talk to you about.
I learned very quickly that feminism wasn't about liberating PEOPLE from their previously too restrictive roles which were assigned to them based on the plumbing they displayed at birth, but rather was founded on a number of absolute falsehoods which had nothing to do with freedom, equality, or fairness. The fundamental premise that men had MORE power, not just a different kind of power and in a different area of society as a whole, but MORE power in a complete and absolute sense was something that I vehemently disagreed with. I could come up with thousands of examples of circumstances in which women had more power than men did. And in every example they gave of where men did have any power, I could easily point out the uneven distribution of power among men, and how a few men at the top of the wealth/influence pyramid had a lot of power, but that the vast majority of men had very little.
The strangest thing was that most of the situations in which I was being told I had or was exercising "power" seemed absolutely ridiculous to me. When I was a college freshman, one day I was walking across campus toward the student union. I reached the door about a half step ahead of a female student so, as I had been brought up to do, I hastened my last couple of steps and held the door open for her. Instead of the smile and nod that I had been used to in response to such simple acts of social courtesy, she flew into a rage and started screaming at me about how what a male chauvinist PIG I was, that she was perfectly capable of opening that door for herself and didn't need any g-- damned MAN to do it for her, and kicked me in the knee.
"Shock" is a totally inadequate word to describe my response.
I was at a loss to understand any of her reaction. She couldn't have been any more totally, completely, and absolutely wrong about my motivations and purposes. I instantly assigned her to the categories of "mentally defective", "hate filled", and female. Over the next several years, a lot of women joined her company.
A couple of years later, a woman that I was dating described her feminist "consciousness raising" group as consisting of "perfectly satisfying man hating sessions." Again, I was bewildered. I asked why she found hating me(n) so "perfectly satisfying". I don't remember the answer she gave, but she soon proved to me just how true that statement was of her. Like the knee-kicker in response to having a door opened, it seemed that anything and everything I did was proof that I deserved her hatred and rancor. At least 10 years later, she called me out of the blue to apologize. She said she realized that she had just gotten swept up in a group consciousness of hatred and had finally realized what had happened and that I had not deserved the bile she had spewed on me.
It was, I suppose, better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick, but it was too little and too late. Because, by then I had encountered so many other women who acted in pretty much the same way that it had simply become part of my view of what women were. Somewhere, deep down inside, either hidden or proudly displayed, women hated men. Women came in a variety of sizes and shapes, most had breasts and female genitals, but they all seemed to come with a hatred and fundamental contempt for men. One woman I dated while Jimmy Carter was still president, spoke of "my hatred of men" in the same matter-of-fact tone that she might say "my nose". It was just an integral part of her.
Needless to say, this presented me with a significant paradox and source of internal conflict. Being a healthy heterosexual male, I had the natural and universal desire that men have to have a love relationship with a woman. But, how is it possible to love someone that returns hate for that love?
So, over time I began to develop a wary distrustful posture toward women. I still dated them, but I had become so conditioned to expect hatred from them that I simply accepted it as part of the price I had to pay in order to be involved with one. My desire for a relationship was still strong, but was opposed by a distrust and unwillingness to let someone who hated me get the upper hand over me. Thus, in my mind the concept of "commitment" became one and the same as "trapped in a relationship with someone who hates me." I was indeed one of those men who "wouldn't make a commitment."
The worst part of this, for me, is that it blinded me to the warning signals of some truly sick personalities. The hostility which I had become accustomed to enduring from women became only a matter of degree - greater or lesser. And, with a baseline of being kicked in the knee for the courtesy of opening a door, and learning how "satisfying" man hating is to some women, I had no yardstick to sort out the seriously sick and deranged women from any of the rest. As a result, I ended up in some relationships that were truly horrible and very damaging to me. And, of course, each of these left scars which over time built up so much emotional scar tissue that I began to lose all the positive feelings I once had for women.
That is the personal side. And, I won't bore you with the details of all the stories. But, there eventually got to be so many that I developed the attitude that the question was not "whether" a woman would burn me if let her get close enough to do so, but "when" and "how soon" it would happen.
On the political side, things were just as bad if not worse. About the same time I started becoming the target of violent physical attacks by individual women for what I perceived as courtesy, I also became the target of vicious verbal attacks by women collectively - just for being a man.
I remember the first time I saw the slogan "A woman without a man is like a fish without a bicycle", I knew knew my face had just been spit in. Men were not just useless to women, we were irrelevant. We had no purpose in a woman's life, and did not belong in her world at all. It was a message of hate, dismissal, and refutation. But, I also saw it as a warning of what was to come. It was like seeing clouds on the horizon, and knowing that it is time to get under cover because a storm is brewing. And, since it was obviously smearing shit in my face, it was going to be a shit storm.
Soon it became apparent that women could say any damn thing they wanted about men - no matter how wrong, no matter how hateful, no matter how unfair - and that was fine, but every time I stood up to that and said "no, that is wrong, there is another point of view" I'd get some little fem-bot harpy in my face shrieking the same old tired slogans, like a mindless Chatty Cathy doll, about how I was threatened by losing my power, wanted to keep women "in their place", was probably violent, and was a misogynist. The dull predictability and regularity of it all was only kept from being terminally boring by the shrillness and sheer vehemence of the attacks.
There is a belief among those who believe in magic that one must speak a spell 3 times in order for it to become binding and true. It took being called a misogynist a lot more than 3 times to become true, more like 300+, but in time it did become true.
I began to see women as vicious creatures whose only agenda when it came to me, or any man, was to see how much they could get from the man - then when he had nothing left to give because they had taken it all, toss him out with yesterday's garbage. In short - as nothing but users. Feminist author Wendy Dennis came out with a book in the early 1990s called "Hot and Bothered: sex and love in the 90s." Among many other astute observations in the book was that nothing was more classically typical of the state of male/female relations than the woman who complained bitterly about every aspect of men, then couldn't figure out why she couldn't get one of these awful creatures to fall madly in love with her. I had observed the same thing so many times that I had simply concluded that such women were simply not very bright. In stark contrast to the mythology of how socially adept women are, I was baffled that such women were so stupid that they didn't realize that no living thing will respond to such projections of distaste, contempt, and hatred with anything except return animosity.
I took to avoiding women, particularly groups of them, because I could never sit quietly and put up with the bashing and would always challenge it, which ended me up in a lot of fights and added greatly the count of times that I got called "misogynist." I noticed that women seemed to do it habitually, without thinking, and would confront my female friends over and over until they learned not to do it in my presence.
And, after 3 decades of listening to it, and hating it, and trying to keep the animosity which had been building in me over it - when the husband of a woman friend of mine (who had been very dishonest about her motivations for our friendship and had been trying to harass me into turning our friendship sexual) threatened to kill me and she said "I don't know why you are making such a big deal about it", I caved in and began to really hate women.
Most of the time this hatred lies dormant. I figure that the best thing I can do for myself and for women is to keep the contact I must have with them to a minimum, and to keep as much distance between them and myself as possible. It is rather like hanging a sign on a fence that says "Beware of VERY bad dog." Stay outside the fence, and everything is fine. But, come through the gate at your own risk. Leave me the hell alone and I will leave you alone.
Misogynists are not born, they are made.
I am still baffled at all the women who seem to expect men to live on a steady diet of hatred and man bashing, and somehow magically metabolize this toxic diet into "love" for women and a desire to see good things come to them. When I work real hard, I can make the anger cold and take no joy when bad things happen to women, simply regard it with indifference. When I hear a woman whine about being victimized, I simply tune her out and go elsewhere.
When a woman smiles at me, I think of an old ethic bashing joke - "What does a ______ say instead of 'fuck you'?" answer "Trust Me."
I will not allow most women in my house unless I have known her a long time and she is old enough to have escaped being infected with the plague of man hating or is escorted by someone I trust, nor will I enter theirs except on the same conditions. If I pass a woman stranded on the road, I will not stop to help her because it is as likely as not that she will be afraid of me. That's fine. She's a fish without a bicycle - I have no place in her world, nor her in mine.
Man bashing and man hating harms women, because it makes men hate them back - eventually. A puppy returns love for love, but if you beat it will eventually turn mean and will one day turn on you when you raise your fist or your stick (or the club of words) to hit it. Men are no different. When women talk about treating men like dogs, I wish they would. It would be an improvement. Most women treat their dogs far better than they treat their men.
Somewhere along the line, I went through a metamorphosis. I changed from a man who loved women and thought they were just about the greatest thing in the world, to a man who can't stand them, or anything about them.
I'm sick and tired of the lies that women tell about men, I'm sick and tired of their victim games, I'm sick and tired of hatred and bashing I have to put up with when I am around them. I am sick and tired of the arrogant contempt in which they seem to hold me and all other men. I am sick to death of the way that some of them feel the need to seek me out to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] me off. A couple of years back, at the funeral of my uncle, as fine a man as I have ever known, some woman felt the need to start a conversation with me as I sat with my private grief. She wanted me to agree with her that men don't ask for directions.
How could anyone be so stupid and socially incompetent? When men came up to me to talk, it was always with something like "Your uncle was a fine man", not "aren't men headstrong and stupid?"
Invariably, when I tell a woman about all this, she tries to argue with me and say something like "get over it", or "why don't you take the gender out of it?" In return I ask, "why the hell don't you women get over it, and take the gender out of it?"
I would like nothing better than to be left in peace, and allow women to enjoy the absence of my company which they find so annoying and unpleasant. Every day, a few more men got through the transformation and become like me. We don't get our guns and shoot a few women; we don't beat them up; because what women have been saying about us all these years is just flat wrong. But, there's no point in trying to tell women that because they have become so certain of their superiority that the best way to deal with them is to leave them to it, and the company of their other fishy friends
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Where the power really lies
I'm sure we all know that a successful relationship is based on equal power sharing.
Both parties will come into the relationship with strengths and weaknesses the trick is knowing where your own strengths and weaknesses lie and having the maturity to step back and let your partner take control when facing a situation that they have more ability to deal with.
The whole problem with relationships today is that everyone wants all the power and all the power all the time. Maybe that is a feminist thing that has been left over from our bra burning mothers. Who knows. But the sooner that woman accept that men are far better at making logical decisions the better off we will all be. I know that women are capable of logic but sadly men are better.
I know that men are quite happy to let us take the lead when it comes to things that we are better at. They happily accept our ability to nurture and soft side and see it as a huge positive, its what makes a woman attractive to a man.
I say to all you men out there. I wish you luck with these ball breaker women you seem to have.
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[QUOTE=Sasha Coffee]...the sooner that woman accept that men are far better at making logical decisions the better off we will all be. I know that women are capable of logic but sadly men are better.
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So, why should we accept your opinion on the matter if you're an irrational hysteric, Sasha? Bit of a catch-22 there.
No offense, just pointing out a funny contradiction.
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]Au contraire, the problem is when they hit puberty and Dad is hitting the Geritol.
THAT is when you REALLY need all the energy in the world to keep on top of them!!!
As for living longer lives, yes! Healthier, in the US I don't fucking think so. Most people's bodies are a wreck by middle age here, and by the time they are 60 they have half a pharmacy's worth of pills to take on a daily basis.[/QUOTE]
Well, I agree, many people are a physical wreck once the American workplace and the demands of family are done with them. There are plenty of health problems with Americans.
However, at the same time, for example, you are seeing the median age of men increasing in marathons - in 1980, the median age was 34, by 2003 it was 40 (coolrunning.com). During that time the numbers of people finishing marathons exploded, so it's not simply that the population is getting older. The median age of Americans is around 35 years; the median age of people finishing marathons is out-pacing the overall aging of the population. There are a good number of Americans who are older and in good shape.
All this is a way of suggesting we are both right. I hope and plan to be in decent physical condition in my 60's; based on your posts it seems like you will be, too.
As for raising teenagers, I don't know that territory. My impression has been teenagers don't like spending time with parents in the teenage years, and that most of the time and energy parents invest in that time is less physical. But, like I say, I don't know.
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Another Anti-Male Court Ruling
I saw on CNN headlines earlier today that a US man sued his divorced wife for cessation of alimony payments. He lost. Why?
Because the judge ruled that the divorce terms said that alimony payments cease when the ex remarries. While the ex entered into a [i]registered partnership[/i] with another woman, she did not [i]re-marry[/i], ergo payments continue.
This poor sap is on the hook for supporting 2 grown, able-bodied and able-minded women. I wonder how many other men are falling into this same catch-22?
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[QUOTE=Super Brko]How man hating and man bashing harms women:
I learned very quickly that feminism wasn't about liberating PEOPLE from their previously too restrictive roles which were assigned to them based on the plumbing they displayed at birth, but rather was founded on a number of absolute falsehoods which had nothing to do with freedom, equality, or fairness. The fundamental premise that men had MORE power, not just a different kind of power and in a different area of society as a whole, but MORE power in a complete and absolute sense was something that I vehemently disagreed with. I could come up with thousands of examples of circumstances in which women had more power than men did. And in every example they gave of where men did have any power, I could easily point out the uneven distribution of power among men, and how a few men at the top of the wealth/influence pyramid had a lot of power, but that the vast majority of men had very little.
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Read "The Myth of Male Power". It debunks all the mythology that feminism as propogated, that is now undisputedly accepted as fact in mainstream thought and media.
[url]http://www.menweb.org/farreliv.htm[/url]
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[QUOTE=Sasha Coffee]I'm sure we all know that a successful relationship is based on equal power sharing.
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That's funny, I never heard about it. Which TV channel was that?
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[QUOTE=Jelly Donut]
[i]people are generally living longer and healthier lives than ever before[/i].[/QUOTE]
That must be another TV channel I don't watch. Longer...? Healthier?? This forum is getting funny. Do you really believe it?
Should we say: "...people are breathing for more years than previously..."? But that "live longer"? No way. They are brain-dead at 20 years.
Living or just simply "breathing" is not the same. Anyone?
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A Literal Sex Prison
i don't know if this news item hit your local paper yet. i hope leno and letterman make lots of joke-hay out of it.
in south florida, a 20-year-old prisoner was arrested, tried, and sentenced to 2 additional months on to his original 10 years sentence for ... masturbating!
a female guard, working in a male prison, took offense to men masturbating and started reporting them. this guy was the 8th in all but the first to be tried and sentenced. 4 others took plea bargains and 3 others have trials pending. the prosecutor argued that a prison cell is a public place and that masturbating in it was indecent exposure.
i want to know why prisoner who [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] and crap in their cells are not also prosecuted for indecent exposure!
this is what we get for our taxes! we can't get our ports secured. we can;t get quality public schools, we can't get universal health insurance. but boy-oh-boy, if a woman is offended by a man getting off in his own 'home', we have tons of money and time and effort to make sure we punish him for it. what is this country coming to?
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Yeah that's pretty fucked up. Shows you what the real priorities are.
On another topic, anyone watch America's Got Talent? Seems like talent isn't enough to get you through to the final. Nope, it takes a healthy dose of political correctness as well.
What am I blathering about? Well, there's these four fat broads in a group calling themselves the "Glamazons". Basically, they are four overweight women who sing together.... just not that well. Amazingly (or not) the 3 judges are falling over themselves to complement these 4 fat fucks, not so much on their talent, but as to great they are for showing that "big women are sexy".
Then they picked the Flabtastic Four to go through to the finals. So they're getting through not on talent, but because they're fat. I can take a little PC, but this really pisses me off.
Comments?
Rock
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[QUOTE=That Asshole]That must be another TV channel I don't watch. Longer...? Healthier?? This forum is getting funny. Do you really believe it?
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This is the first time I've ever faced the "I have not seen it on television, therefore it is unbelievable" argument.
I have to admit, I kind of like this line of reasoning, and I hope you don't mind it use it the next time I'm trying to prove a point over beers. We can give it a name like "The Asshole Axiom" if you like...
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Rock, that's the #1 reason why my ass is outta here!!!
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I said it once and I'll say it again: You guys could always have it worse (you could be black, and your choices would be limited to stupid black b.itches or fat and--shall we say-- less attractive white women).
Every day that you look up and see that your dating pool is not quite what you think it is, always realize that it could be much worse.
Talking about evil, ugly American women: I've just parted ways with my family because they insulted my wife. I married a Chinese girl (and what is not to like about Asian women? They are slim, have great skin/ hair, and don't have the vaginal odor that plagues lots of Western women) and my parents complained about it. Nevermind that this is not their concern, but can you imagine idiots like the women in my family saying things?
1. Mother has the IQ of a random boot full of Ukrainian goat [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] and has spent 32 years propping up a dope addict (my father) in the interest of having a husband;
2. Sister is a sack chaser who railed on about the evil of White men all during her university days, and then started a relationship with the very first *really old* white man that came up to her and offered her a few dollars to pay her rent. For the record, her IQ is marginally higher than my mother's-- if that's saying much;
3. Grandmother who has children that have never left the dependency stage-- even though this child is over 50.
And what do these morons all have in common? They are *stupid black b.itches!!* And that's what we black men are expected to be interested in in terms of marriage potential. (Nevermind that I would rather die of blood loss from repeatedly zipping the head of my pecker up in my fly than have sex with any black woman-- excepting Karyn Parsons/ Alicia Keys/ Tatyana Ali, who are only 1/2 black.)
So, you white guys out there, however bad you think it is for you-- it gets worse!
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[QUOTE=Clandestine782]I said it once and I'll say it again: You guys could always have it worse (you could be black, and your choices would be limited to stupid black b.itches or fat and--shall we say-- less attractive white women).[/QUOTE]
Clandestine782 the question is why are these Black American women bitches? Is it a result of how they are treated by Black American men? For instance part of society perceives Black Americans as criminals, or with a potential to commit crime, unemployed, irresponsible for their own good, intellectually challenged, highest rate of divorce, highest number of kids to single parents, highest number of youngest teens with a child… the list is endless.
I'm a Caribbean Black male and I have to say that Black American women are the nastiest of ALL the women I've ever met and I refuse to date them. I have no problem dating Black women from other countries.
In regards to your comments about Black American men and less attractive fat White women you might have a point here because I've noticed this too. I think these unattractive White women are very aggressive at pushing themselves on Black American men offering free sex, money etc. I would not be caught dead with any of these types of women.
There are many attractive White women interested in dating Black guys but are not aggressive or very open about it....move in the right circles and they are pretty easy to find.
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More on living longer
oh, this is a fight club isn't it? nice. i like fight clubs. with angels and devils.
now and then.
i write here mostly to practice my english 'cause i'm not an english mother's language man. long life and luck gentlemen, but let's thinks about facts. ideas are always personals, coming from everyone own experience, long life is not an experience, is a statistic issue. let's compare how the life was at the start of 19th century and how it is now. before ww1 medium life of a man was roughly 65, women 63. more or less, the expected life of large part of third world, actually. but life in rich countries has changed, let's see how. let's follow the life of four children, a male and female born in the early 19th and a male and female born on 1950, wich are the ones with the longest expected life nowaday. lets' call them 19m and 19f the former ones, and 20m and 20f the latter ones.
19m,19f,20m,20f are born
19m,19f,20m,20f at 6 years old go to primary school
19m,19f,20m,20f at 11 years old go to secondary school
19f,20f at 14 years old get fertile both
19m,19f,20m,20f at 18 years old eventually go to college
19m,19f,20m,20f at 18 years old eventually find a job
19m,19f,20m,20f at 22 years old ends college and find out a job
19m,19f from 22 to 30 years old try to make a family
20m,20f from 22 to 40 years old try to make a family
19m,19f 95% make a family before 30 years old
20m,20f 95% make a family before 40 years old
19f,20f get unfertile at 50-55 both
19m,19f work until 65,63 when they die (statistically)
20m,20f work until they get 65-70 and they stop work.
the only difference in between the two couple is the latter has a longer oldness. life to do things, to really live is still the same, we'll just have longer time when we will be old, to complain not to having done things when we were young, in the wrong sensation there was a lot of time left. especially women, when they get 55 they start to get nervous "oh my god, i didn't had enough sex, life is too short, why don't you want me anymore...". then, when i was 20 or 30 and my dick was tough all time long i couldn't use it because female "think" they want the best, a better man, there is time to, but at last those 20 years of fullpower betwen 20 and 40 remain still 20 years now and in 19th and even in 18th or in 14th centuries. soon when they get 50 their beauty disappear, they feel not to be desired anymore and they get angry for that and start to say the women must be judged for they intelligence, for their skills, for their professional competence. but when they were young, they felt beauty they judged themselves having high value and pretend to become vip because of their beauty, not for their skills they couldn't care less. models, tv stars, even female rockstar are all examples. an who is the woman who won't to be a model? life is still the same, you have 30 years of fullpower life, then you are old. old women because their ar not desired feel jealous of young women, then start to say man going with girl are ****, the truth is they would like to be those girls and get jealous. old men get viagra and go where expected life is still 45 then women do not have time to feel themselves to much precious to deny themselves. then old women at home get angry once more and go to third world telling them they must refuse themselves to the evils porkies hornies western men. they do not care about horny chinese, horny japanese, horny thai or whatever, because they (women) feel to be open minded, and modern, and respectful of others culture but not the one of their own men, whom they want to keep jailed in the sex prison they built around them. the thought behind this behavior is very simple, mostly unconscious but quite clear: they are angries because they feel not desired anymore.
life is still the same, oldness is longer, real evilness have always been in females, from the very first chapter of human being's history. you don't have a longer life, you only have a longer oldness. yes, viagra help to have fun even then, but you well know in the deep of your heart there is the sadness of not having had happiness while you were fullpower men, and no latter fun can rewind time and delete that sadness for not having really lived, you wanted but you couldn't 'cause self-referenced precious women dind't let you do. that's it.
brenno.
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I wouldn't fuck Alicia Keys. She has some nasty cratered skin under all that foundation!
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[QUOTE=Astor Bryan]
I'm a Caribbean Black male and I have to say that Black American women are the nastiest of ALL the women I've ever met and I refuse to date them. I have no problem dating Black women from other countries.
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Ok, so does anyone have any idea why this is; why American black women are SO much different from black women from almost anywhere else on the planet? I must say, the attitude of the black women I've met/dated in South America is light years beyond their American sisters. But why?
I will admit that I have met a couple black women in the US that were very nice (and looked good too) but they were almost *always* biracial (usually half white-half black). So, for a while I though maybe that had something to do with it. But then going to South America, and meeting the black women there, the girls from Bahia in Brasil or coastal Ecuador that have 100% African ancestory, were nothing like the black women in America. So that shot my whole "biracial theory" out of the water.
I'm sure someone will bring up that since America is the wealthiest country in the world, that is why the black women in the U.S. are the way they are. But, let's keep in mind that the majority of African Americans do not belong to the middle or upper classes of America, and in fact, many are poor. Since some on here believe that having less money makes women more humble, you would think that African-American women would be good prospects as girlfriends/wives. We wouldn't need to travel 6,000 miles to meet nice, simple women, we could just drive down to the local housing project. But this does not seem to be the case at all.
Please do not take my comments to seem bigoted or prejudiced, because that is not the case at all. If anyone has seen my photo contibutions on this site, you know that I love black women and find them to be very sexy. But this topic of black women from America vs. black women from anywhere else has intrigued me for a while now, and I'm interested in what others on here think.
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I don't think it has anything to do with money, I think it has to do with puritanical religion and the entitlement mentality, along with a lack of emphasis on things like education.
I'm pretty outspoken on this, but I think the difference between white and black America is GROSSLY exaggerated by both sides. I don't even like to look at things in terms of skin color at all.
They are doing mitochondrial DNA research now and just now finding how unreliable skin color is in determining one's ancestry. You could be very dark skinned and really only have 25% or less African DNA, conversely you could be light enough to pass but still be 2/3 or more African.
I think the cultural differences are MUCH more important than the genetic ones.
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[QUOTE=Clandestine782]...I married a Chinese girl (and what is not to like about Asian women? They ... don't have the vaginal odor that plagues lots of Western women) and my parents complained about it.
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I can just see it now 'Son, Ting-tong is a nice enough girl, but I can't smell her pussy. That isn't natural.'.
Sorry I couldn't resist that one. But serously they probably dislike an Asian because Asians don't love Jesus.
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My 2 cents
In my opinion, African women – as in born and raised in South Africa, as opposed to African American women – are some of the most desirable women on the face of the earth. Contrary to popular belief, a belief (or should I say stereotype? ) that black women are confrontational, angry, gold diggers, emasculating, argumentative etc. African women can be surprisingly submissive. I venture further to say that many African women are very respectful of men, manner able, attentive, loving, and sincere. I’ve also found many African women to be very personable, friendly, and gregarious. They have a tendency to fall for a good man relatively quickly without any reservations or drama and be dedicated to the man they‘re with. African women will not give a man the runaround. If an African woman is not interested in you she’s going to let you know very abruptly with her body language. If she doesn’t laugh at you or ignore you she’ll definitely walk away from you. But if she senses there’s chemistry between you and her she’ll be locked on you like a heat-seeking missile. I’ve dated African women from Zimbabwe, Tanzania, Kenya, Ghana, and Zaire but the one nationality of African women I’m most attracted to are Ethiopian women. Ethiopian women have an exotic almost extraterrestrial Beauty that is unlike any other women on Earth.
Their skin is usually a rich honey brown or a tannish cocoa butter hue, large oval eyes, thick, silky hair, a very small nose and wonderfully full lips as if they were going to burst with Mango juice. They have a very small bone structure, which is the reason for dramatic body lines. A tiny neck, like the twig of a tree, a very small waist, perfectly sculpted hips and thighs and a perfectly round forehead. Their facial features are large, almond-shaped dark brown eyes, protruding cheekbones, and extraordinarily white teeth. All of these physical features are clearly indistinguishable from any other nationality of African women. Upon first contact, if an Ethiopian woman is attracted to you she’s going to smile right away. She’s going to be flirtatious yet maintain her. They maintain eye contact and are comfortable being in close proximity to a man. Many Ethiopian women aren’t shy or bashful at all. If they find you interesting they will make direct eye contact with you even if it’s just in passing at a mall or other public place. One thing you do have to look out for, though, is to keep your distance if the Ethiopian female you’re interested in travels with her mom. And many young Ethiopian women, particularly, between the ages of 19 to late twenties. Ethiopian mothers can be very protective of their daughters, which means you’ll have to find out how to get to through a friend.
In my experience, Ethiopian men can also be very friendly and accommodating. If you’re lucky you’ll make friends with an Ethiopian man for three reasons: (1) They can be very trustworthy and usually develop very strong friendships. (2) They usually have a vast number of other friends and will make a valiant effort to introduce you to them. (3) Many of them have at least two if not three sisters (see what I’m getting at?)
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[QUOTE=Clandestine782]I said it once and I'll say it again: You guys could always have it worse (you could be black, and your choices would be limited to stupid black b.itches or fat and--shall we say-- less attractive white women).
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Clandestine782 I've just found out why Black American women are so angry/bitter at Black males. Watch and enjoy!!!!!!
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-TUj69HLb0[/url]
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No offense Astor
[QUOTE=Astor Bryan]Clandestine782 the question is why are these Black American women bitches? Is it a result of how they are treated by Black American men? For instance part of society perceives Black Americans as criminals, or with a potential to commit crime, unemployed, irresponsible for their own good, intellectually challenged, highest rate of divorce, highest number of kids to single parents, highest number of youngest teens with a child… the list is endless.
I'm a Caribbean Black male and I have to say that Black American women are the nastiest of ALL the women I've ever met and I refuse to date them. I have no problem dating Black women from other countries.
In regards to your comments about Black American men and less attractive fat White women you might have a point here because I've noticed this too. I think these unattractive White women are very aggressive at pushing themselves on Black American men offering free sex, money etc. I would not be caught dead with any of these types of women.
There are many attractive White women interested in dating Black guys but are not aggressive or very open about it....move in the right circles and they are pretty easy to find.[/QUOTE]I have to say Caribean women -in my experience- come in a close 2nd to American Black women.
Namely from the following Countries- Jamaica , Dominican Republic , and Haiti. I can't name the worst it’s a toss up here with me. Whether I got a lot of play from a Caribbean woman or no play at all I’ve never had any good luck with them. First of all, most of them are caught up in this fallacy that they aren’t black. Secondly, they have this uncanny ability to zero in on the worst of the worst dudes a human female could be involved with. This, in turn, gives them the dysfunctional state of mind that leads many of them to pursue, as well as stay with, the craziest, tyrannical, chauvinistic, barbaric, unreasonable, ignorant of men. Of all the Caribbean women I’ve had the pleasure of becoming romantically involved with, some of these women have actually had complaints about my endowment - one.
Now, I’m a good eight-and-a-half to nine inches (nine if I’m really into the woman I’m with and I‘ve been working out on a regular basis) but a couple of these females have actually alluded to the notion that they prefer bigger dicks!! Far be it for me to complain. Hey, I ain’t hating in the least. If a woman thinks she needs 12 inches or longer to get her rocks off, then more power to you. But you have to think for a moment. If a dude with a dick the length of my forearm was so great what the hell are you all the way over here in the states sweating me for? I ain’t mad – I’m just sayin’. Anyways, many Caribbean women can be some of the most unpredictable, difficult to deal with, two-faced, untrustworthy, back-stabbing, arrogant females on the face of the earth.
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Ezinho read THE GARBAGE GENERATION
[url]http://christianparty.net/garbgen.htm[/url]
THE STONE AGE=THE GHETTO where father role is reduced to nothing. Our black brothers are becoming slaves again.
"Male juvenile criminals who are a threat to the public, that "three-fourths came from broken homes.means mostly female-headed homes. That means that while the single mothers of these criminals do not themselves commit crimes and go to prison, the social]ization they give their children has an extraordinarily high correlation with the male crime of the next generation."
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[QUOTE=Astor Bryan]Clandestine782 I've just found out why Black American women are so angry/bitter at Black males. Watch and enjoy!!!!!!
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-TUj69HLb0[/url][/QUOTE]Fuck!!!! Where did you find that one? I'm glad to know that some people here understand me. For the record, the reason that my parents did not accept my wife is not because of religion. It is simply because she is not black. (Because you know that being black is such a great thing that we want to keep our race pure [tee hee hee].)
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[QUOTE=Astor Bryan]Clandestine782 I've just found out why Black American women are so angry/bitter at Black males. Watch and enjoy!!!!!!
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-TUj69HLb0[/url][/QUOTE]
I only watched the first 2 minutes of the video. I was getting freaked over the hyper-analytical why that woman was discussing men and women. I think the line "If a man only lives to ejaculate ... " made me realize I couldn't listen to 9 minutes of that stuff.
I am Black and also don't date Black American women, since I don't date American women of any race. The video had little interest for me.
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[QUOTE=Ezinho]Ok, so does anyone have any idea why this is; why American black women are SO much different from black women from almost anywhere else on the planet? I must say, the attitude of the black women I've met/dated in South America is light years beyond their American sisters. But why?[/QUOTE]
I have a question for Astor Bryan.
How do Caribbean Black women compare to American Black women. I grew up around Trinidadian, Jamaican, Barbadian, Bahamian Black women. I found them to have no better, and often worse, attitudes towards men than Black American women. A former colleague told me thay when the Lorena Bobbitt story hit, the West Indian women in her classes cheered when the subject came up.
I think it is the British cultural heritage that is the main culprit. French, Spanish, and Portuguese cultural heritage is so different. There is FAR less hostility towards men.
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[QUOTE=Clandestine782]I said it once and I'll say it again: You guys could always have it worse (you could be black, and your choices would be limited to stupid black b.itches or fat and--shall we say-- less attractive white women).
And what do these morons all have in common? They are *stupid black b.itches!!* And that's what we black men are expected to be interested in in terms of marriage potential. (Nevermind that I would rather die of blood loss from repeatedly zipping the head of my pecker up in my fly than have sex with any black woman-- excepting Karyn Parsons/ Alicia Keys/ Tatyana Ali, who are only 1/2 black.)
So, you white guys out there, however bad you think it is for you-- it gets worse![/QUOTE]
Before I started travelling abroad, I dipped into the US dating pool. There are many nice Black women around. In my experience, none of them had the usual materialistic, egocentric, anti-man attitudes. One was a new age. save the whales, hippie type. She was very nice to the extent of getting used by some men. Another was a Muslim. She was participating in the Million Man March Movement from the mid-90s. There were many attitude-free Black women close to the Nation of Islam. My problem was that they were so few and far between that it was not worth it to continue. The foreign dating pool is much more fruitful.
I would not single out Black American women. White American women can be just as bad. Blacks have a low marriage rate, so the high divorce rate that is in the US is driven by WHITE marriages. I read that for married women over 45, 75% of divorce petitions are intiated by the woman. If her husband is 5-10 years older than her, then he is in his peak earning years and heading to retirement. When his assets are highest, she decides to divorce him. This is what White men deal with.
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[QUOTE=Astor Bryan]Clandestine782 I've just found out why Black American women are so angry/bitter at Black males. Watch and enjoy!!!!!!
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-TUj69HLb0[/url][/QUOTE]
Astor Bryan,
That video was hilarious! I couldn't stop laughing when she began to speak about the heat of the penis and the pounding of the bottom of the vagina. It's amazing that they actually give air time to stuff like that but I bet women just eat that shit up. I'm sending it to all my buddies.
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Although clearly Kuner's and not Heinz is the best ketchup, it is funny to log back on to this forum after several years and see the same people discussing the same things. DJ4Money appears to have left the country and is doing well playing the black card in Germany, which doesn't surprise me, having lived in Germany. Rubber Nursey seems to be doing well.
The car debate is funny because I sold my car a year before I left the US and froze my Jones off riding my motorcycle in a very cold state, just to be sure I could take living without a car. I love living without a car. I never want to be dependent on a car again. I have driven a couple of times and if I ever need to again, it is a skill I still have. Subway costs 20 cents US, bus 25 cents US, train 15 cents US, not paying car insurance = PRICELESS.
So now it has been four years of happy expatriation and I have been back three times for a week or so; I have fun with my friends but I can't wait to leave again, every time I go back. I have increased my net worth over 60% (even with the last two days of carnage in the financial markets), I have slept with 300 more women from ten or so more different countries, and I don't miss American women at all. I got certified in ESL so I have a back-up plan when I get sick of doing what I've been doing (okay, I am sick of it already after seven years) and I can always make a living as a cook, wherever I am.
Everyone in the US, the "greatest country in the world," which of course already had serious problems by the time I left, said I would be back in six months. Nope. Not coming back. Ever. I don't know if I will stay in Buenos Aires but I think South America for sure. Europe is too expensive and too crowded. Australia is too isolated and too condom oriented, and despite the per capita wheat statistics the food there is severely unimaginative. Southern Asia is too fucking humid. The only way I would live in the tropics is to live at high altitude.
Latina women wake up every day thinking about sex. American women wake up every day thinking about how to avoid sex. Argentinean women will let their men cheat as long as they pay the bills (and are simultaneously cheating and doing a much better job of hiding it). In Argentina you have the bidet, similar to Europe; in contrast a large percentage of American women have stinky pussies. French and Germany women have B.O., a lot of them. Australia has the cleanest toilets in the world but a blow job with a condom is not something I am willing to pay for any more.
The women here don't like lubricated latex in their mouths either: "¿Por que me voy a chupar una goma?" = why do I want to suck on a tire? They want your lechita. "Ay papi dame toda tu leche"; "Polvate tu leche en mis tetitas" and so forth. Come in my mouth, come all over my tits, "como quieras." "Como quieras" is my favorite reason for living here = "However you want to do it." "Poneme en cuatro" (doggie me) is a close second while "Haceme por cola" (fuck me in the ass) is a very distant third although if the chica asks very nicely I will very occasionally oblige just to be a gentleman.
Cars no. Fast food no. Fat chicas no. Rat race no. Two weeks' vacation a year no (I am working seven months a year and making $48k US). Tickets for jaywalking or drinking beer on the street or drunk walking, no. Bush no. War in Iraq no. War anywhere no. Fired for sexual harassment for looking at some woman's tits that she is SHOVING IN MY FACE, no.
Okay, soccer actually sucks and I do miss baseball. Love to all on the forum and sure glad I found it when I did.
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I'm pissing myself laughing too, but at the same time I think she's right on point actually.
She's condemning not just men who fuck married women but women who are married and fuck around. She's talking about how it's a shame that a woman gets a man to provide for her, and then goes and gets some dude on the side. And she's talking about how women should be more reasonable and think things through instead of just using their emotions, which is a lot of what people are bitching about on here.
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DH!! Great to see you again, baby. And very glad to hear all is well in your South American paradise.
I certainly am doing well. Ok, not so well on the finance front...but I'm happy and settled in my little rural hideaway and have finally found myself a fantastic man who supports all my crazy causes, makes me laugh and fucks like the Energiser Bunny. Almost two years together and if we haven't had sex at least three times in 24 hours, we feel like we've let the team down. Finally, after all these years, a man whose libido matches mine. Never thought I'd see the day.
Take care, DH. Don't be a stranger!
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DH - Ha!
Well I didn't really workout in Germany. But in other places I did better. Problem was not enough time spent in one place to work my way "in". Anyway I'm working on that and its nice to see you around.
I went to Germany, England, Norway, Sweden and Ukraine (not in that order)
I'm going back soon, this picture sez it all -
[url]http://newmedia.funnyjunk.com/pictures/euro_vs_america.jpg[/url]
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DH,
It is great to hear a success story! Keep on truckin'!
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[QUOTE=KnickFan]I have to say Caribean women -in my experience- come in a close 2nd to American Black women.
Namely from the following Countries- Jamaica , Dominican Republic , and Haiti. I can't name the worst it’s a toss up here with me. [/QUOTE]
I agree with you KF, Caribbean women from Jamaica, Trinidad are a close 2nd to American Black women. I also find African women from Ethiopia, Eritrea, Somalia to be quite attractive.
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[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]Well I didn't really workout in Germany. But in other places I did better. Problem was not enough time spent in one place to work my way "in". Anyway I'm working on that and its nice to see you around.
I went to Germany, England, Norway, Sweden and Ukraine (not in that order)
I'm going back soon, this picture sez it all -
[url]http://newmedia.funnyjunk.com/pictures/euro_vs_america.jpg[/url][/QUOTE]
Ukraine is a gold mine for meeting women, the one Ukrainian I met this summer had me floored.
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ok guys it is official no more sex abroad-fematrix strikes
[url]http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/newyork/ny-bc-ny--sextours0718jul18,0,4986788,print.story?coll=ny-region-apnew%20york[/url]
You, the US citizen, are the exclusive property of the state. Any crime you commit while in a foreign country, though it may be legal in that other country, can be prosecuted upon your return, if there is ample evidence against you.
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All that glitters..
[QUOTE=Astor Bryan]I agree with you KF, Caribbean women from Jamaica, Trinidad are a close 2nd to American Black women. I also find African women from Ethiopia, Eritrea, Somalia to be quite attractive.[/QUOTE]
Yeah but those same African women are worse than the Carribean and American women. Just go to Dubai and deal with them. And some have their clits cut off too...that would make anybody crazy.
Pour some Asian sweetness in a well stacked Latina and you have a winner.
I had a Filipina that would wash me,put on my clothes and watch me fuck other girls. Thais,Chinese are great too. Korean would cut your throat in your sleep.
I probably wont marry again, but esp not a woman,Black or whatever, with a bad upbringing. Use the same theory when adopting a pet. If that dog has been mistreated, it will bite the hand that feeds him.
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[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]Ukraine is a gold mine for meeting women, the one Ukrainian I met this summer had me floored.[/QUOTE]
Yeah too bad the girl I ended up with a single mother (married before) and not much of a looker, though her body isn't bad compared to what I saw from "normal" girls on the street. River Palace on the other hand.... Stunners galore and while no punai is FREE and hookas demand payment for services rendered, I'm sure I can find a "normal" Ukraine girl that looks better than the one that says she misses me and because its hot is half naked on cam... :D and I get the occasional "flash" from ;)
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[QUOTE=Naked Gunz]Yeah but those same African women are worse than the Carribean and American women. Just go to Dubai and deal with them. And some have their clits cut off too...that would make anybody crazy.
Pour some Asian sweetness in a well stacked Latina and you have a winner.
I had a Filipina that would wash me,put on my clothes and watch me fuck other girls. Thais,Chinese are great too. Korean would cut your throat in your sleep.
I probably wont marry again, but esp not a woman,Black or whatever, with a bad upbringing. Use the same theory when adopting a pet. If that dog has been mistreated, it will bite the hand that feeds him.[/QUOTE]
Some of that rings very true...
The general problem with Latinas is if they aren't educated, either they have to learn English ([i]not likely in America, especially on the west coast where they don't have to utter a single word of English and get away with it: live normal lives[/i]) or you have to learn Spanish and yes I know some of you out there like when they can't speak English but there some advantages when they can. If your intention is to keep them under foot, the dumber they are the better, I get that.
That is why I choose to visit Europe first and will go back before I ever go to South America. That might sound crazy to some of you, but I value an English speaking woman and unlike other parts of the world, the price doesn't go up just because they can communicate with you.
Yes some of the exploits of members bangin cuties in the bushes of South America sounds inviting but I'm not that adventurous yet - :D
But OH would I LOVE to have an Argentinean or Brazilian girl with European features, big green eyes and an ass you can put your drink on top of...
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Europe
You guys do really think european women are different from your americans? Then, ask yourself, why we european guys go brothels as well around the world? Cuba is full of european, SE Asia as well, philippine's women have been imported heavily, I think you are dreaming about a past doesn't exist anymore. Europe is on the track of america, may be 4-5 years in late, not more.
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[QUOTE=Naked Gunz] Use the same theory when adopting a pet. If that dog has been mistreated, it will bite the hand that feeds him.[/QUOTE]That theory is an excellent 'rule of thumb'. I disagree that it should be taken as Gospel. People vary in their level of resiliency. Many can rise above their upbringing and make excellent spouses even though they had poor role models in their parents or parent-surrogates. Of course, many cannot and they should be avoided like the plague. The key is to develop some sort of strategy that enables you to distinguish between the two.
While you applied this theory to women, it applies equally to men. I am sure that many women avoid certain men, some perhaps on this forum, for precisely that reason.
Personally, I have found that women who are resilient and had to overcome some sort of personal or family tragedy or dysfunction make very good partners. Women who have had an easy childhood seem to expect an easy adulthood and throw tantrums when running up against normal life obstacles. But of course, YMMV.
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Well DJ that is a pretty ignorant attitude. Places like Buenos Aires and Santiago de Chile are world-class cities with plenty of English speakers (whom I sedulously avoid) and no bushes. Also there is no correlation between being "dumb" and not speaking English. And if there is, and you can't speak any other language, then what does that make YOU?
However I have not met a single Argentinean with green eyes and if you want an ass you can set your drink on you had best stick to Brazil but of course all those women are black.
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[QUOTE=Super Brko][url]http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/newyork/ny-bc-ny--sextours0718jul18,0,4986788,print.story?coll=ny-region-apnew%20york[/url]
You, the US citizen, are the exclusive property of the state. Any crime you commit while in a foreign country, though it may be legal in that other country, can be prosecuted upon your return, if there is ample evidence against you.[/QUOTE]
That guy was big time DUMB! So were his customers.
You are correct that more and more politcians, some led by radical feminists, want to project US law worldwide and make a world sex prison for US men. I am waiting for them to prosecute some women. A woman went to Jamaica. got laid, got married, then got divorced. She can write a book and make a movie about it, but no one prosecutes her.
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[QUOTE=Brenno]You guys do really think european women are different from your americans? Then, ask yourself, why we european guys go brothels as well around the world? Cuba is full of european, SE Asia as well, philippine's women have been imported heavily, I think you are dreaming about a past doesn't exist anymore. Europe is on the track of america, may be 4-5 years in late, not more.[/QUOTE]Which guys are you referring to? I only see a handful of posters raving about European women. The vast majority of men are into Latin and Asian women.
I have spent time in Europe and agree with you. Anglo British women are as bad as American women. I have met some Dutch, Italian, French, Swiss, and German women. They all had similar ambitions and desires in marriage as American women. My only caveat was that I did not meet a random sample of European women. It was an academic trip and all the women were university students.
My point is that only a minority of American men are thinking as you accuse.
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[QUOTE=Super Brko][url]http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/newyork/ny-bc-ny--sextours0718jul18,0,4986788,print.story?coll=ny-region-apnew%20york[/url]
You, the US citizen, are the exclusive property of the state. Any crime you commit while in a foreign country, though it may be legal in that other country, can be prosecuted upon your return, if there is ample evidence against you.[/QUOTE]
Actually, with a name like Ahmed in post-9/11 New York, he got off lightly. I'm rather surprised that he wasn't charged with using sex tours to finance terrorism.
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[QUOTE=Dickhead]Well DJ that is a pretty ignorant attitude. Places like Buenos Aires and Santiago de Chile are world-class cities with plenty of English speakers (whom I sedulously avoid) and no bushes. Also there is no correlation between being "dumb" and not speaking English. And if there is, and you can't speak any other language, then what does that make YOU?
However I have not met a single Argentinean with green eyes and if you want an ass you can set your drink on you had best stick to Brazil but of course all those women are black.[/QUOTE]
I'm sure there "around" that's like saying there no black people with blue eyes...
I never said those cities had any bushes, but don't act like there isn't any jungle or rain forest in those countries - IE BUSH
I wasn't trying to imply that not knowing English makes you stupid. How many other countries speak Spanish? More than the countries that have English as their native language, I get that.
But yeah I see it all over this forum, and you avoid them too, I never really understood that. Since your DH and have no fear, how about explaining that one to me.
I could say this is largely along racial lines, but I'll avoid that for now.
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[QUOTE=George90]Which guys are you referring to? I only see a handful of posters raving about European women. The vast majority of men are into Latin and Asian women.
I have spent time in Europe and agree with you. Anglo British women are as bad as American women. I have met some Dutch, Italian, French, Swiss, and German women. They all had similar ambitions and desires in marriage as American women. My only caveat was that I did not meet a random sample of European women. It was an academic trip and all the women were university students.
My point is that only a minority of American men are thinking as you accuse.[/QUOTE]
In his experience he might only run into European women that want the big house on the outskirts of town, a 7 seres in driveway and a vacation home on the French Rivera.
I haven't met those types and according to [i]Dirk Dingy[/i] I will never meet those types cause I ain't white or Turk...
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Sure your right..
[QUOTE=George90]That theory is an excellent 'rule of thumb'. I disagree that it should be taken as Gospel. People vary in their level of resiliency. The key is to develop some sort of strategy that enables you to distinguish between the two. While you applied this theory to women, it applies equally to men. I am sure that many women avoid certain men, some perhaps on this forum, for precisely that reason.
Personally, I have found that women who are resilient and had to overcome some sort of personal or family tragedy or dysfunction make very good partners. Women who have had an easy childhood seem to expect an easy adulthood and throw tantrums when running up against normal life obstacles. But of course, YMMV.[/QUOTE]
George my strategy is just how she makes me feel. US chick or non_US.
The key is to SEE through her bullshist and see she really love you and not get taken. Tough job dude, to see real love. They're are of course diamonds in the rough, but who's that lucky to find HER.
I give even ISG members the benefit of the doubt and dont think we really all stereotype. Yes- your correct. I know and ackowledge these facts you express, but I like to be brief in my posts and don't always reflect ALL my feelings about most things. I would be a fool to label people I don't even know.
I'm always pleasently surprised about people. They zig when I expect them to zag. So I will just say that as an Afro-Am blk male, my serious USA relationships have been disaster. Of course they were. because my familys relationships have been disaster.
I had no role models. My other relatives relationships have been disaster. Many of my friends relationships have been disasters. WTF is going on? I know but this is not the place to discuss sociology. It wont change anything anyway. God aint on ISG. I seek pussy, not enlightenment. Actually pussy IS enlightenment. I travel,therefore I f*ck.
It's as I said before man. We all know. Nobody is stupid here. This forum can be summed up here. American women have more options. They get rid of the husband and have him pay child support and alimony if possible. Then move on to the next dick. American men have options.
You marry some sweet heart and stay with her fat ass until death or child support. But men are now killing their wives! This s*it is getting crazy! Fox news thinks they are providing a service,(esp with all those model news women?). FOX is full of shit ...sex sells and they are around to reprt on your descresions.
As Chris Rock said,,,men are as faithful as their options. That means if the USA wasnt watching, he would fuc* who he wanted when he wanted and not be a married pussy that will divorce eventually like EDDIE M.
Women we bang in the rest of the world don't have the same options. You think Iran women give the men shit! Fuck no...those cunts are in check.
It's about power. I saw a article that women have the power in most USA relationships. I know most Christiam women that would dispute thid, but anyway I wont stand for it.
Enough rambling....NG is King of the Castle
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There is virtually no jungle nor rainforest in either Argentina or Chile. I avoid English speaking chicas because they think they are worth more money because they speak English, and because they tend to have themselves overrated in general, and because they will want to practice their English but I am the one paying and I want to practice my Spanish. Quite possibly they [b]are[/b] worth more money to somebody who can't speak Spanish.
No racial issue here. I got from your posts that you prefer white women to black women and I am just saying that the Latinas with the asses you can set a drink on are the black ones, and are to be found in Brazil, Colombia, Venezuela, and to a lesser extent Uruguay. Argentinean chicks tend to have skinny asses, as a rule, and there are virtually no black Argentineans.
Any "black" person with blue eyes is mixed race.
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A good ol' classic from Guns and Roses - for all those of you who had to put up with stuck up self proclaimed princessess....
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCDw3TNV6ps[/url]
Famous quote: "I had to put her six feet under and I still hear her COMPLA-AIN!!!"
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[QUOTE=Dickhead]There is virtually no jungle nor rainforest in either Argentina or Chile. I avoid English speaking chicas because they think they are worth more money because they speak English, and because they tend to have themselves overrated in general, and because they will want to practice their English but I am the one paying and I want to practice my Spanish. Quite possibly they [b]are[/b] worth more money to somebody who can't speak Spanish.
No racial issue here. I got from your posts that you prefer white women to black women and I am just saying that the Latinas with the asses you can set a drink on are the black ones, and are to be found in Brazil, Colombia, Venezuela, and to a lesser extent Uruguay. Argentinean chicks tend to have skinny asses, as a rule, and there are virtually no black Argentineans.
Any "black" person with blue eyes is mixed race.[/QUOTE]
Okay I got the Latin countries mixed up....
You make excellent points but I thought it was for a different reasons than the simple ones you mentioned, there goes that theory out the window.
I guess that's why there's a GDP and Chica Management thread on both forums....
English speakers shouldn't get extra money, if they want extra money for that skill be a tour guide, work at McDonald's or be a flight attendant.
I still would like to do the BoA-Sao Paulo swing which is an affordable flight...
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I would say that between Sao Paolo and Buenos Aires you would find every skin shade and every butt type. Don't know about eye color, though.
It is a common misperception that Argentina is a tropical country. In fact only a very, very tiny piece up north lies above the Tropic of Capricorn. Buenos Aires is a four season climate at about the same latitude as Albuquerque, New Mexico. Buenos Aires is only about the halfway point in the country, north-south; in contrast to the US, Argentina is much taller than it is wide. In contrast the vast majority of Brazil is in the tropics.
Dickhead no like tropics. Malaria, yellow fever bad ju ju. Dickhead sweat like pig when fucking even in cold weather. Dickhead no like Brazil cuz gringo need visa. $100 plus two fucking appointments. Dickhead no understand Portuguese. Can read it but sounds like zhh zhh zhh what the fuck.
To get back on topic, my American woman friend who was recently widowed says quite a few of the guys she meets on-line turn her down for no strings attached fucking because they are "looking for a relationship." What's up with THAT?
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[QUOTE=Dickhead]To get back on topic, my American woman friend who was recently widowed says quite a few of the guys she meets on-line turn her down for no strings attached fucking because they are "looking for a relationship." What's up with THAT?[/QUOTE]
What's up is that they don't believe her!!!!!
She is an American woman!!!!! What US man has ever met a US woman offering sex with 'no strings attached'????? NONE OF US!!!!!!
Remember: There is NO FREE SEX!!!!! Even if she swears it is 'free' in the short-run, she will change her mind and it will become EXPENSIVE sex in the long-run!
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Not this gal. I always tell her she is just like a man, only with a kunt. Plus she pays her own way (drinks, etc.) She is kind of a b@tch, though.
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Tales From The Bushes
That is why I choose to visit Europe first and will go back before I ever go to South America. That might sound crazy to some of you, but I value an English speaking woman and unlike other parts of the world, the price doesn't go up just because they can communicate with you.
Yes some of the exploits of members bangin cuties in the bushes of South America sounds inviting but I'm not that adventurous yet - :D
I just finished fucking a 21 year old mulata here in Cali, Colombia. She was about 5 ft tall with the PERFECT face and body!!!She sucked my cock for about 20 minutes and then jumped on top in cowgirl and rocked my world finally finishing in missionary with her lactating titties bouncing from one side of the room to the other. This cost me a total of $30USD. The last time I took a girl to the movies in the U.S. it costs me $30USD FOR THE MOVIE and some snacks. The whole date cost about $120 bucks and I got nada. My last girlfriend in Quito, Ecuador was from Germany. Our first date was at a place called Crepes and Waffles in the Quicentro Mall. It costs me $35 bucks for lunch only. She then went into a boutique store and spent $250 on ONE outfit. (Thank God she did this with her money!!!)I think that I'm going to keep wandering around here in the bushes for a little bit longer.
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[QUOTE=Dickhead]Any "black" person with blue eyes is mixed race.[/QUOTE]Well No and Yes.
No because there is the capacity for African genes (where we all came from) to create light eyes - or any other various combo of feature.
Yes because it is theorized that the alleles (version of a gene) for blue eyes or green eyes did not develop probably until our African originators left the country to populate the rest of the world. This allele only made into the African population when these "foreigners" returned and inserted this allele into the African population. Then it still took two Africans who carried this allele recessively to mate and both pass this allele (25% of the time). This is how Africans can get blue or green eyes. This is much more common in American blacks than Africans since there has been significantly more race mixing in this country.
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American men are Pussy whipped
Why any guy would pay a woman that looks like this is beyond my comprehension?? Are American men so desperate for pussy??
[url]http://atlanta.craigslist.org/ers/386796769.html[/url]
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[QUOTE=Astor Bryan]Why any guy would pay a woman that looks like this is beyond my comprehension?? Are American men so desperate for pussy??
[url]http://atlanta.craigslist.org/ers/386796769.html[/url][/QUOTE]
Yes! Some men have been brainwashed into believing that something is wrong with [i]them[/i] for not being attracted to Mo'Nique sized women.
Some are freaks who are just into BBWs.
Sometimes these Craig's List ads are fake. It may be someone wanted to get even with another by posted a fugly photo and putting their phone number or email with it.
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[QUOTE=Astor Bryan]Why any guy would pay a woman that looks like this is beyond my comprehension?? Are American men so desperate for pussy??
[url]http://atlanta.craigslist.org/ers/386796769.html[/url][/QUOTE]
Cant blame a girl for trying... but damn, nobody should pay for THAT.
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[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Cant blame a girl for trying... but damn, nobody should pay for THAT.[/QUOTE]
My point exactly.....anyone can pick up a woman that looks like her, just about anywhere.
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Value
[QUOTE=Astor Bryan]Why any guy would pay a womaLn that looks like this is beyond my comprehension?? Are American men so desperate for pussy??
[url]http://atlanta.craigslist.org/ers/386796769.html[/url][/QUOTE]I guess some guys likes to get alot for their money. They are probably saying that "I got a bargain for this. Only pennies for the pound"
Looking at the size of her negligee. I could fit atleast three asian spinners in it. All three would still weigh less that that monster.
I think that girl in atlanta must dine on fast food several times a day.
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Like my grandpa told me when I was young: "marry a fat one, she'll be warm in the winter and shady in the summer. ". LOL. Seriously, I think it has to be fake, no one would pay for that unless they have a fat fettish.
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The VARIOUS TYPES OF Gringo men of Brazil
saw this classification of american men visiting brazil and thought i'd post it here.
the various types of gringo men of brazil
the young black *****chaser: this guy does not speak much portuguese, perhaps drooled like a baby watching the snoop dawg or jarule video, heard how there is latina pussy to be had for cheap, and jumps on the plane to "do" rio with his posse. he is not the brightest guy on the block, promptly ends up in front of help disco, and thinks the putas who give him love are representative of all brazilian women. very clueless about brazilian racial hierarchies, how his black ass would be treated if he didn´t have gringo status & money, and rarely ventures out of the *****house triangle that is composed of help, his hotel, and the various terma *****houses rep001tered throughout the city. adventurous ones will travel to salvador. does not realize how many *****s in rio have stds nor does he care.
the old retired white guy: these guys are usually found living on the coast of brazil. some had not-so-successful lives in the u.s. and escaped to brazil hoping (praying) to god that young brazilian women will not care about the fact that they are old, fat, and balding. they partake mostly in prostitutes, but many run out of money and resort to preying on tourists and sex tourists to make a living. their portuguese, despite years in-country, is still not very good and they speak it with a lousy accent. some are found running small internet cafes in tourist areas. sooner or later, they find a woman to marry and-or have a child with, if only to secure a permanent visa.
the young struggling teacher: these are younger americans and canadians who come down to brazil for a variety of reasons, enjoy the fact that they are treated "special" by the local brazilians, and decide to live in-country and teach (usually english). they struggle for realis, augmenting their income by giving private lessons. their portuguese is usually pretty good, because they are young and motivated. however, their access to the finer things in life (and yes, money talks here in brazil) is very limited. they typically teach in the north of brazil (anywhere north of sao paulo) because they are utterly ignored in the south, where being a white caucasian holds no value and they are treated like anyone else. these guys enjoy the attention they get being a white gringo in a land of brown people, have likely overstayed their tourist visa, and are working illegally. mostly though, they are here because of the brazilian girls.
the sao paulo business man - ex-pat: these are guys who come to sao paulo on short-business trips, or get transferred to sp by their respective companies. they are typically old, arrogant, fat, and ugly. however, they have money, and this guarantees them a sheltered existence in sao paulo filled with ex-pat gatherings, nice restaurants, and work...lots of work. they like sao paulo because they can frequent the *****houses after a long day of work, but are sad because they can´t exactly pick up a lot of normal women with their limited portuguese skills. prime example: the head of gm, that´s right general motors, for brazil a few years back. arrived in sao paulo, rented a gigantic house, met a local hooker, and put her up in a rented condo as his love slave until he was transferred of the country. my access to sao paulo gossip comes directly from my brazilian lawyer, who has loads of stories to tell.
the old black *****chaser: these guys are young black *****chasers, but now older and wiser. they now understand the difference between *****s and normal brazilian girls, are enrolled in some type of portuguese class back home, and dream about buying a place in rio or salvador to retire in. they try to expand their interest of brazil into other areas, such as pan-africanism in salvador, capoeira, bossa nova, bahian religious ceremonies, brazilian politics etc to cover the fact that deep down inside, it is their chase for brazilian pussy that drives them.
the mormon - christian missionary: these guys had no idea where brazil was before they were assigned for their missions. the mormon guys are white guys usually from utah, fulfilling their 2 year missions, and are found walking around with white shirts and ties on the streets of cities throughout brazil. their portuguese gets pretty good cuz they´re always trying to covert people, but they cannot date or have sex for their entire mission. as a result, they become a surly bunch, and find solace in hanging out with each other and drinking orange juice. the christian missionaries have no such barrier, and in the name of god and jesus christ, end up seducing a local brazilian girl. they promptly then marry her so they can pound into her bunda like the rest of the men here.
the young white *****chaser: these guys are american, italian, and german guys in their late 20s or 30s who come chasing girls. they want to seduce the regular brazilian girls, but since they only stay for a few weeks or at most, a month, at a time, and have limited portuguese skills, they end up side by side with the young black *****chaser and the old black *****chaser in the putarias. italians and germans are typically found in the nordeste. americans found in rio and the sudeste. some of these guys, benefitting from their youth, will crack into the regular brazilian girl scene. the losers will promptly marry the first regular girl who shows interested in them and try to take her back home on a fiancee visa.
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"Young women in New York and several of the nation’s other largest cities who work full time have forged ahead of men in wages, according to an analysis of recent census data."
[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/03/nyregion/03women.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin[/url]
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[QUOTE=Jelly Donut]"Young women in New York and several of the nation’s other largest cities who work full time have forged ahead of men in wages, according to an analysis of recent census data."
[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/03/nyregion/03women.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin[/url][/QUOTE]
Hmm. I read an article that near 60% of college students are women. I believe that would be the major contributor to the swing in earnings. Plus the fact that when it comes to being a single man or woman, it's more expensive to be a single man. Dates, flowers, gifts, etc, etc...we are always expected to pony up.
I used to live with two girl roommates. These girls got asked out at least 3 times a day. So they never ever went hungry.
I am glad women are making more money. Now they can be me a freaking drink!
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[quote=astor bryan]saw this classification of american men visiting brazil and thought i'd post it here.
the various types of gringo men of brazil
the young black *****chaser: this guy does not speak much portuguese, perhaps drooled like a baby watching the snoop dawg or jarule video, heard how there is latina pussy to be had for cheap, and jumps on the plane to "do" rio with his posse. he is not the brightest guy on the block, promptly ends up in front of help disco, and thinks the putas who give him love are representative of all brazilian women. very clueless about brazilian racial hierarchies, how his black ass would be treated if he didn´t have gringo status & money, and rarely ventures out of the *****house triangle that is composed of help, his hotel, and the various terma *****houses rep001tered throughout the city. adventurous ones will travel to salvador. does not realize how many *****s in rio have stds nor does he care.
the old retired white guy: these guys are usually found living on the coast of brazil. some had not-so-successful lives in the u.s. and escaped to brazil hoping (praying) to god that young brazilian women will not care about the fact that they are old, fat, and balding. they partake mostly in prostitutes, but many run out of money and resort to preying on tourists and sex tourists to make a living. their portuguese, despite years in-country, is still not very good and they speak it with a lousy accent. some are found running small internet cafes in tourist areas. sooner or later, they find a woman to marry and-or have a child with, if only to secure a permanent visa.
the young struggling teacher: these are younger americans and canadians who come down to brazil for a variety of reasons, enjoy the fact that they are treated "special" by the local brazilians, and decide to live in-country and teach (usually english). they struggle for realis, augmenting their income by giving private lessons. their portuguese is usually pretty good, because they are young and motivated. however, their access to the finer things in life (and yes, money talks here in brazil) is very limited. they typically teach in the north of brazil (anywhere north of sao paulo) because they are utterly ignored in the south, where being a white caucasian holds no value and they are treated like anyone else. these guys enjoy the attention they get being a white gringo in a land of brown people, have likely overstayed their tourist visa, and are working illegally. mostly though, they are here because of the brazilian girls.
the sao paulo business man - ex-pat: these are guys who come to sao paulo on short-business trips, or get transferred to sp by their respective companies. they are typically old, arrogant, fat, and ugly. however, they have money, and this guarantees them a sheltered existence in sao paulo filled with ex-pat gatherings, nice restaurants, and work...lots of work. they like sao paulo because they can frequent the *****houses after a long day of work, but are sad because they can´t exactly pick up a lot of normal women with their limited portuguese skills. prime example: the head of gm, that´s right general motors, for brazil a few years back. arrived in sao paulo, rented a gigantic house, met a local hooker, and put her up in a rented condo as his love slave until he was transferred of the country. my access to sao paulo gossip comes directly from my brazilian lawyer, who has loads of stories to tell.
the old black *****chaser: these guys are young black *****chasers, but now older and wiser. they now understand the difference between *****s and normal brazilian girls, are enrolled in some type of portuguese class back home, and dream about buying a place in rio or salvador to retire in. they try to expand their interest of brazil into other areas, such as pan-africanism in salvador, capoeira, bossa nova, bahian religious ceremonies, brazilian politics etc to cover the fact that deep down inside, it is their chase for brazilian pussy that drives them.
the mormon - christian missionary: these guys had no idea where brazil was before they were assigned for their missions. the mormon guys are white guys usually from utah, fulfilling their 2 year missions, and are found walking around with white shirts and ties on the streets of cities throughout brazil. their portuguese gets pretty good cuz they´re always trying to covert people, but they cannot date or have sex for their entire mission. as a result, they become a surly bunch, and find solace in hanging out with each other and drinking orange juice. the christian missionaries have no such barrier, and in the name of god and jesus christ, end up seducing a local brazilian girl. they promptly then marry her so they can pound into her bunda like the rest of the men here.
the young white *****chaser: these guys are american, italian, and german guys in their late 20s or 30s who come chasing girls. they want to seduce the regular brazilian girls, but since they only stay for a few weeks or at most, a month, at a time, and have limited portuguese skills, they end up side by side with the young black *****chaser and the old black *****chaser in the putarias. italians and germans are typically found in the nordeste. americans found in rio and the sudeste. some of these guys, benefitting from their youth, will crack into the regular brazilian girl scene. the losers will promptly marry the first regular girl who shows interested in them and try to take her back home on a fiancee visa.[/quote]
why brazil? there are lots of other places in the world, from what i heard argentina is supposed to be better in terms of quality of life. i also thought eastern europe as well.
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[QUOTE=Furiouz]
I used to live with two girl roommates. These girls got asked out at least 3 times a day. So they never ever went hungry.
I am glad women are making more money. Now they can be me a freaking drink![/QUOTE]
Yes. That is an interesting thing, since even if women are earning more than men there's still an expectation that a stand-up guy will treat. I blew so much money in the 90's that way. Foolish little jelly donut.
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Amazing
It amazes me that in the year 2007 there are still women that believe a man must pay. Thats why there are so many rich women out there. They get to save all their money and the poor old man gets to spends his. This is sexism in reverse isn't it.
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Feminist - AIDS connection
Feminist -"aids" connection
The first half of the story is posted here:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=628081&postcount=630[/url]
I have nothing against women, except that they are stupid. This fact has always been known through the centuries and just now seems to have been forgotten. They had been kept out of politics and leadership for good reason: because they tend to be screamy, emotional and illogical in thinking. None of which attributes is desirable in a responsible position. But hey, this is how we like them to be. If you say there is a "woman" who is logical, clear headed and grounded in mind I say that it is "Not A Woman!". Only a "lookalike".
However, it was desirable that the people in low-level leadership become stupid, therefore will believe anything, scream when they are told to and pay when they are told to. They constitute more 51% of voting citizenship in just about any country and thereby they have "controlling majority" in issues and affairs of the State. They are easily led - astray or anywhere.
This is where money lies. This is how a totally stupid "aids" hysteria has started, not to talk about the others such as "terrorism, cancer, drugs, etc". This is "business". On such a large scale that we even have trouble to comprehend it. Quite simply, anything can be sold to women, as long as it is presented in an "emotional package".
So, "feminism" had to be, in order to create and amass wealth for some few. Women do not question, do not reason. They just scream and pay when they are told to. We all know it. Here you got "aids" (please use lower case!). Nobody has seen it, nobody touched it. It's like a ghost. We really don't know, just believe. Like any religion.
The Catholic Church needs "believers" to exist. They have never seen it, never touched it but they believe it. Millions and millions do. Is the "aids industry" on firmer foundations than the Catholic Church?
In fact even on weaker. The writer affirms that the "industry of fear" was created on the screams and stupidity of women in leadership. That is "the controlling majority" in the affairs of the State. Just like any company is controlled by the majority shareholders, so is the State of US. And these "shareholders" are the most easily controllable from above. What you get....?
Therefore, feminism had to be and is viciously defended and propagated even further. As it is now viciously defended and propagated. But not for the "good of the women" unfortunately. But rather to make the "screams of fear" louder from the 51% majority shareholders and thereby making the paypackets of a few high enough grow proportionally.
So much for "aids" and "terrrorism" and the others. You can see, it all was solidly built on female stupidity. No think. Just scream and cry for protection.
Well guys, I have a question:
"Can we please abolish the 19th amendment?"
[url]http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.amendmentxix.html[/url]
[url]http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/featured_documents/amendment_19/[/url]
Why not? What would happen?
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[QUOTE=That Asshole]Well guys, I have a question:
"Can we please abolish the 19th amendment?"
Why not? What would happen?[/QUOTE]
Well, for one thing Bush and the Republicans would have won by even bigger margins.
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i think all countries should have women as heads of state. there would be no more long, cruel wars like vietnam and iraq. there would only be short, funny wars like the falkland islands and the spanish-american war. there would be lots of hissy fits, and maybe some hair pulling, but fewer wars that are expensive and cause currency devaluations which lead to more expensive pussy for travelers and expats. sure, seeing your president crying on national tv would be disconcerting, but you'd get used to it. plus they would not appear on television as often since there would be many "bad hair days" where they would not go out in public. add that to the days when they "had nothing to wear" and you would see a lot fewer boring speeches and press conferences.
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Instead of president Bush, we could have a president.... with a bush.
Unless she shaves. :D
Rock
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[quote=dickhead]i think all countries should have women as heads of state. there would be no more long, cruel wars like vietnam and iraq. there would only be short, funny wars like the falkland islands and the spanish-american war. there would be lots of hissy fits, and maybe some hair pulling, but fewer wars that are expensive and cause currency devaluations which lead to more expensive pussy for travelers and expats. sure, seeing your president crying on national tv would be disconcerting, but you'd get used to it. plus they would not appear on television as often since there would be many "bad hair days" where they would not go out in public. add that to the days when they "had nothing to wear" and you would see a lot fewer boring speeches and press conferences.[/quote]
your post is tongue-in-cheek, but wars aren't funny. i seem to remember that golda meir, indira ghandi, and benazir bhutto all led their respective countries into destructive wars when they were its leaders.
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Deep thoughts. First posting.
I've been trawling through your posts for a day or two. I hope you don't mind my posting a comment - I get these urges sometimes. These are mostly 'out of context', in some cases responding to points and posts made months ago but you might find them of some interest. If I have any more 'profound insights' I'll let you know.
India/China/Russia etc going to overtake the USA in the next 15 years.
Very unlikely. The people making these pronouncements are either doom-mongering journalists wanting a shock headline or companies trying to sell you shares in Indian/Chinese/Russian companies. The USA certainly permits some curious accounting practices which allow companies to make themselves appear more profitable than they actually are and, like all other advanced countries, spends far more than is sensible on welfare, state bureaucracy and the legal system none of which contribute a penny to the treasury.
Most of these problems could be sorted out fairly easily and quickly and would be if the situation became serious.
Manufacturing in the future is likely to be undertaken in fully automated plants with no human worforce at all. It's already possible to do this technically it just isn't economical yet but the (direct and indirect) costs of labour are always rising and the costs of machinery, especially electronic machinery, are steadily falling so the 'crossover' will eventually be reached. When that happens it will be economical to build manufacturing plants in the USA and Western Europe again because labour costs will not enter into the calculation. Since the construction of these plants would have a favourable effect on balance of payments and such governments are bound to be strongly supportive.
They're going to abolish prostitution.
You mean they're going to try. In the same way that they tried and still try to prevent the importation and distribution of drugs. We all know what a brilliant success that's been. Most of these characters in government are simply out of their depth. Many appear to be living in a state of delusion in which they imagine that talking about doing something is the same as doing it. They have experience of drafting laws but none of enforcing them. I can imagine police officers banging their heads on the wall wondering how on earth they're going to make any of this work.
The most important qualification for anyone involved in government is an understanding of the limitations of government. That's something that these people lack.
Adaptation leads to counter-adaptation. If the state changes its attitude to prostitution then prostitution will change. Prostitution could do with changing, at present it's badly organized, needlessly dangerous and contains too many parasitic middlemen (pimps and 'madams') who simply push up the price whilst contributing nothing. Better organized prostitution would be more attractive to more women. More women would go into prostitution, probably mostly as part-timers and 'casuals'. An increase in the supply of prostitutes would probably depress prices and improve quality.
Divorce laws are biased in the woman's favour.
It certainly looks that way but actually divorce laws are biased in the state's favour - the fact that women benefit from this bias is purely coincidental. I'm not familiar with the history of the development of divorce laws in North America but I imagine it follows a similar pattern to their development in England. Originally (in the 1960's) we had "clean break" divorces where neither party was under any further obligation to the other and the former husband did not have to support his former wife for the rest of her life. This didn't last long because it proved that many of these former wives were incapable of supporting themselves and became permanently dependent on state welfare. This was very expensive. In order to reduce the welfare payments the governments decided that it would be a lot cheaper for them to force the former husband to continue to support his former wife very much as if he were still married to her so this is what they did. That's why we are where we are now.
As I mentioned above however adaptation always leads to counter-adaptation. The male counter-adaptation was the entirely predictable one of not getting married. It's taken 20-30 years for this to have a noticeable effect on socieities whose 'leaders' are now worried about low rates of reproduction, especially within the financially productive (i.e. net tax paying) sections of the population, housing shortages and other entirely predictable consequences of making divorces easy and financially attractive for the female population. This is a mess the political, legal and bureaucratic establishment created by not looking ahead and anticipating how people would use the laws. As I noted earlier these people are simply out of their depth.
Female behaviour in taking advantage of these laws is entirely predictable. Suppose a law were introduced which forced a company to pay its employees 80% of their salaries even if they never turned up for work and to keep on paying 80% even if they resigned and went elsewhere. What proportion of the work force do you you think would bother going in ? Not many I'd guess - and those who were conscientious would just end up being penalized by having to work harder to make up for the absentees. Something similar has happened in marriage. The law allows women 80% of the material benefits of marriage without having to do anything in return. Many women were bound to see this as an irresistibly attractive proposition and take full advantage.
Actions have consequences however and the first law of economics is not the law of elastic demand as most economists would tell you. The first law is that you don't get something for nothing. There are no exceptions to this. If you think you've got away with it and it's cost you nothing beware - you're likely to find that payment has only been deferred and, as is usually the case when you defer payment, you'll end up paying more.
These legal arrangements may seem like a real gain for women at the moment, and so they are in the short run but in the long run a lot of women are going to pay a horrendous price. Some of them are just starting to pay it now. They'll be paying for it for the rest of their lives and it will just get worse with age. There is no way out, no way back.
For all their legal advantages I would not change places with them.
Divorce means that a lot of girls have been molested by mother's boyfriend and that's why they're peculiar.
Possibly. More probably however is that divorce means that a lot of girls have been brought up in an almost entirely female environment with almost no opportunity to interact intimately and safely with adult males during their formative years. In other words they never got the chance to play with daddy. This may sound twee but it appears to be very important to female development. Girls 'practice' on their fathers - I don't mean sexually but socially and emotionally - they find out what works and what doesn't. How he responds to different approaches. In a sense these girls are unwittingly calibrating themselves so that they'll know what to do when dealing with men when they get older. Most women who had a decent amount of contact with their father when they were small tend to be extremely keen on him and regard 'daddy' as the ideal . This is the result of juvenile 'imprinting' - unfortunately this hasn't happened to a lot of females.
High rates of divorce mean that a very large part of the female population has now never had the chance to do this and unfortunately it's something that it appears has to be done at a certain age (around 7-11). If it isn't done at this period then you can never undo the damage or make good the loss. What this all means in practice is that a lot of women haven't got the faintest idea of how to handle men on even the most basic level. They're caught in a trap of their mothers' making and there is no way out.
Depriving girls of paternal contact has not only been cruel to the father it's also been an absolute disaster for the daughter.
Another possible factor is contraception. Before contraception families were large and the significance of this is that almost every girl would have brothers. Brothers aren't as good as fathers for 'practice' but they're a lot better than nothing, especially if they're older brothers. There is usually a very noticeable difference between women who have brothers and women who haven't.
Yet another possible factor is quality of housing. A large family living in a small house live on top of each other. Like it or not you're soon going to find out what the opposite sex looks like without clothes on. This kind of enforced intimacy knocks the corners off. You either get used to it or go mad. Most people get used to it. A small family living in a large house can live largely separate lives, they need never come into contact with each other unless they want to. They get used to having things their own way. You can see how this might affect mental development and 'formation of character'.
Women outnumber men in college/degree courses.
Yes, but in what subjects ? Mostly in soft subjects that are virtually useless in the labour market or worse than useless in the case of the notorious 'women's studies', sociology, psychology and the like - subjects which are not only of no conceivable use to most employers but will actually set alarm bells ringing in many.
Journalism, publishing, broadcasting and, of course, that great sponge "the state" will soak up a fair number but there's probably at least as much overmanning (or more commonly overwomanning) in white collar employments today as there was amongst blue collar 30 years ago. Layer upon layer of clerical, secretarial, administrative, managerial and supervisory staff most of whose activities contribute absolutely nothing to the performance of a company or to the national economy, many of whom are a gross burden not only because they fail to contribute and are indeed a net drain but because they are actually obstructive. There isn't much further scope for industry or commerce to make savings with further blue collar cuts, many have already cut too far and are actually undermanned with no spare capacity which causes problems if circumstances vary. The only way for companies to make further savings is by cutting white collar employment. Unless they're suicidal they'll cut in areas which don't contribute to profitability. Secretarial / clerical staff are the obvious targets. There are far too many of them (just look at the size of the office buildings) and most of them are women. Female employment prospects may not be as good in the future as they have been for the last 20 years or so.
Another factor is that some employers now see female employees as being more trouble than they're worth. They take more time off, they're likelier to get sick especially with vague neuro-psychological problems like "depression" which are not only virtually impossible to prove but also virtually impossible to disprove and which may drag on for years. They get pregnant and you have to provide maternity leave at your expense and the other staff have to work harder to cover for them. They're a nuisance and a possible legal minefield, they're inflexible as regards working hours and so on and so forth. Many of them are obviously just playing at it until they can find a suitably wealthy husband- they have no serious interest in the job. This doesn't go down too well with employers. They tend not to mention it because they don't want to be accused of sexism but they do think it.
Enough for the time being. I've worn myself out.
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In the USA, women currently outnumber men in law, medicine, and accounting, among other "soft subjects." Don't know what it is like in the UK but the thread is on American Women.
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This is an interesting article on the dynamics of divorce and real estate.
[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/12/fashion/12divorce.html?em&ex=1187064000&en=1255f7e73e20fec3&ei=5087%0A[/url]
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[QUOTE=Dickhead]In the USA, women currently outnumber men in law, medicine, and accounting, among other "soft subjects." Don't know what it is like in the UK but the thread is on American Women.[/QUOTE]Women may outnumber men in the courses/professions you mention but none of them are exactly productive in the sense of making net contributions to the national economy are they?
You only have so many accoutants because of ludicrously over-complex tax laws and so many lawyers because of an orgy of legislative activity over the past 40 years. My contention would be that many of these professions (I don't know about medicine but I wouldn't be surprised) are making work for themselves.
It doesn't alter the fact that most of the BS courses in the US are packed with women and that BS degrees constitute the majority of those granted.
Another thing I should have mentioned is the pretty obvious decline in academic standards, or "grade inflation" as you call it, which means many of these degrees, even in hard subjects, aren't worth the paper they're written on.
I know the board is about American Women. Unfortunately what affects the US generally affects the rest of the world as well after a short delay so virtually all of this is applicable on both sides of the Atlantic.
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[QUOTE=Greysouthern]More probably however is that divorce means that a lot of girls have been brought up in an almost entirely female environment with almost no opportunity to interact intimately and safely with adult males during their formative years. In other words they never got the chance to play with daddy. This may sound twee but it appears to be very important to female development. Girls 'practice' on their fathers - I don't mean sexually but socially and emotionally - they find out what works and what doesn't. How he responds to different approaches. In a sense these girls are unwittingly calibrating themselves so that they'll know what to do when dealing with men when they get older. Most women who had a decent amount of contact with their father when they were small tend to be extremely keen on him and regard 'daddy' as the ideal . This is the result of juvenile 'imprinting' - unfortunately this hasn't happened to a lot of females.
High rates of divorce mean that a very large part of the female population has now never had the chance to do this and unfortunately it's something that it appears has to be done at a certain age (around 7-11). If it isn't done at this period then you can never undo the damage or make good the loss. What this all means in practice is that a lot of women haven't got the faintest idea of how to handle men on even the most basic level. They're caught in a trap of their mothers' making and there is no way out.
Depriving girls of paternal contact has not only been cruel to the father it's also been an absolute disaster for the daughter.[/QUOTE]
I agree strongly with this. I have noticed that the 'calmest' and most reasonable women were always those with good father/daughter relations. The women whose parents went through divorces, their fathers left, and their mothers spent years complaining about the ex to their daughters are the 'crazies'.
I remember one lady I tried to date who had a great relationship with her father (and mother). She had grown up hearing her parents make love and was looking for a similar relationship for herself. It turned out she had other issues that made a relationship impossible, but she was not a manhater.
Another lady I was only friends with while a college student, had grown up ina divorced household. Her father went and married another woman in South America. She rarely saw him. The divorce put her mother into poverty and the mother started to drink. This woman and her brother grew up in material deprivation with an emotionally absent mother (she was drunk most of the time) and an absent father. She was a nice girl, but had serious issues about men generally.
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[QUOTE=Greysouthern]Women outnumber men in college/degree courses.
Yes, but in what subjects ? Mostly in soft subjects that are virtually useless in the labour market or worse than useless in the case of the notorious 'women's studies', sociology, psychology and the like - subjects which are not only of no conceivable use to most employers but will actually set alarm bells ringing in many.
Journalism, publishing, broadcasting and, of course, that great sponge "the state" will soak up a fair number but there's probably at least as much overmanning (or more commonly overwomanning) in white collar employments today as there was amongst blue collar 30 years ago. Layer upon layer of clerical, secretarial, administrative, managerial and supervisory staff most of whose activities contribute absolutely nothing to the performance of a company or to the national economy, many of whom are a gross burden not only because they fail to contribute and are indeed a net drain but because they are actually obstructive. There isn't much further scope for industry or commerce to make savings with further blue collar cuts, many have already cut too far and are actually undermanned with no spare capacity which causes problems if circumstances vary. The only way for companies to make further savings is by cutting white collar employment. Unless they're suicidal they'll cut in areas which don't contribute to profitability. Secretarial / clerical staff are the obvious targets. There are far too many of them (just look at the size of the office buildings) and most of them are women. Female employment prospects may not be as good in the future as they have been for the last 20 years or so.[/QUOTE]
I work in education. Women outnumber men accross the board execpt in engineering and computer science. The reason has nothing to do with 'soft' or 'hard' courses. It has everything to do with college preparation.
For a few decades now, elementary and high schools have been 'girl-friendly' and 'boy-hostile'. The emphasis has been on getting girls to perform better in math and science and to particupate more in class. The female teachers have done this by making boys shut up. In addition, what used to be normal boy behavior has morphed into a disease called ADHD. Any boy who behaves naturally gets labeled and drugged. Many spend those learning years high on Ritalin or Prozac, others drop out and work in construction. The bottom line is that girls get better grades, perform better on the SATs, and get accepted into college BEFORE boys do. Thus, there are more women than men in almost all academic disciplies of undergradute programs. The situation is different in graduate schools. There, men still outnumber women.
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I work in higher education, and Greyshorts doesn't know squat. The demand for accountants in particular in recent years has zero to do with tax laws. It has to do with all the frauds that occurred at the corporate level, and with legislation such as Sarbanes-Oxley that is completely unremotherfuckingrelated to taxes. Women actually make better accountants. You give the average guy a pile of one dollar bills to count, telling him there are a thousand and he is to verify this. He will count up to 85 or so and say, "Shit they are right so far and it is only a dollar so let's go pound a few brews." The woman will be fearful of mistakes and will count the pile three times. They are more conscientious.
Women are also better doctors. I always try to go to women doctors, and dentists. I go to a male doctor and I say, "Doc, my arm hurts when I move it like this." He says, "Don't move it like that," and walks out of the room. I go to a male dentist and I say, "That hurts like a motherfucker" and he says "I will jam a big painful needle full of more novacaine in you so your face will be numb for three days." The female dentist says, "I am sorry; I will try to be more gentle."
So let's give credit where credit is due.
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[QUOTE=Greysouthern]Women may outnumber men in the courses/professions you mention but none of them are exactly productive in the sense of making net contributions to the national economy are they?
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Running with your thinking, no one is making a real contribution to society and economy unless they have a job like "blacksmith" or they hunt whales using hand-thrown harpoons off the tips of small wooden boats. There's honest work for you (provided no whales are actually harmed in the process). Hardly anyone has made a net contribution worth a tinker's damn since John Maynard Keynes pointed out you could keep everyone busy by digging holes, filing them back in and then digging them again.
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Women, Money and Marriage
Who even cares if they are "making a contribution to society"? On an individual level, it doesn't mean squat. What really counts is how much are they making, what are they doing with that money.... and how does this affect male female relations (and society in general)?
The thing I've noticed is that these women, by and large, still tend to want a guy who makes the same or more than she does. The result? Lots and lots of "power couples". The guy and the wife both earning six-figure incomes and raking it in. This doesn't surprise me one bit if I think about how greedy and materialistic people are these days.
My advice for anyone thinking about getting involved with such a woman... don't. I've known a few and most of them are selfish, overly assertive and just plain high on themselves. They make lousy wives/girlfriend/whatever and it's just not worth it. With the ways things are these days what with lawyers and high divorce rates and AW attitudes, marriage is somethng to be avoided at all costs.
Someday, the whole idea of marriage needs to be completely re-thought. A far better idea would be somthing more along the lines of a business contract. You could negotiate a whole bunch of terms, clauses and conditions that could be reviewed and agreed to by BOTH parties BEFOREHAND. If things don't work out.... well it would all be worked out according to the terms of the contract.
I really think this would be a better way of doing things. I also imagine the main opposition would come from women (and those politicians who pander to them for their votes) and religious groups (with their own attendant vote pandering politicians).
Rock
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Sex = Crack?
It sounds like a crazy idea, but it occurred to me that sex and crack are very similar in more than one way.
1. Once you've tried it, it's nearly impossible to quit.
2. People (men) are willing pay a lot for it.
3. The dealers (women) know that their customers (men) are "hooked" and therefore willing to put up with all kinds of crap so they can get what they want.
4. In both cases (sex and crack) the dealers tend to have little or no respect for their customers.
5. Generally speaking, the greater the need for sex.... the greater the likelihood that one will get treated like crap. Conversely, someone who has no need is far more likely to get treated wih respect..... maybe even get an offer of a freebie. Like crack dealers, women will sometime put out an offer just to see what kind of reaction they get.
Don't get me wrong here, I'm not trying to equate sex with crack. I'm just saying, if you look at it from a certain perspective, there are some interesting similarities.
Rock
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Certainly sex can be an addictive behavior. Probably many of the frequent posters on this site are sex addicts. I personally I am not but I can see the parallels you are talking about. If you are spending more than you can afford, if it is affecting your work, if you tell yourself you are going stop but you can't, if all your friends think you have a problem, etc., it doesn't matter if it is crack, smack, booze, pussy, on-line poker, whatever. It is an addictive situation.
However, what really puts the power in the hands of those with the pussies is not the addiction factor but the fact that prostitution is illegal in many places. Where I live it is not illegal so the Golden Rule applies. Whoever has the gold, rules. Pussy only has power to the extent that a guy is an idiot. And of course, crack is physically bad for you whereas copious amounts of sex is physically good for you, and decent exercise to boot.
I have a friend who wrote a fairly famous book about the Grateful Dead called "What A Long, Strange Trip It's Been." He wrote it under the name of Lewis Sinclair, although that is not his name. He once told me, "Pussy should be on a rack by the door." Well, here it pretty much is. But pussy isn't a commodity; it's a differentiated product, at least for most people. I would say that if it does become fungible in your mind, that would be a good sign you have a problem. "Lewis" has a crazy ***** of an American GF and is constantly complaining about not being able to get enough sex. He is well into his fifties, and he should just leave the country since he has his book royalties and also Social Security disability from a bad back. But he never will.
But the biggest difference between crack and prostitution is obvious: a hooker can wash her crack and sell it again. Pussy is about the only thing where you can sell it and still have it, as far as I know. Maybe knowledge would be another example if you can figure out how to sell it.
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[quote=astor bryan]saw this classification of american men visiting brazil and thought i'd post it here.
the various types of gringo men of brazil
the young black *****chaser: this guy does not speak much portuguese, perhaps drooled like a baby watching the snoop dawg or jarule video, heard how there is latina pussy to be had for cheap, and jumps on the plane to "do" rio with his posse. he is not the brightest guy on the block, promptly ends up in front of help disco, and thinks the putas who give him love are representative of all brazilian women. very clueless about brazilian racial hierarchies, how his black ass would be treated if he didn´t have gringo status & money, and rarely ventures out of the *****house triangle that is composed of help, his hotel, and the various terma *****houses rep001tered throughout the city. adventurous ones will travel to salvador. does not realize how many *****s in rio have stds nor does he care.
the old retired white guy: these guys are usually found living on the coast of brazil. some had not-so-successful lives in the u.s. and escaped to brazil hoping (praying) to god that young brazilian women will not care about the fact that they are old, fat, and balding. they partake mostly in prostitutes, but many run out of money and resort to preying on tourists and sex tourists to make a living. their portuguese, despite years in-country, is still not very good and they speak it with a lousy accent. some are found running small internet cafes in tourist areas. sooner or later, they find a woman to marry and-or have a child with, if only to secure a permanent visa.
the young struggling teacher: these are younger americans and canadians who come down to brazil for a variety of reasons, enjoy the fact that they are treated "special" by the local brazilians, and decide to live in-country and teach (usually english). they struggle for realis, augmenting their income by giving private lessons. their portuguese is usually pretty good, because they are young and motivated. however, their access to the finer things in life (and yes, money talks here in brazil) is very limited. they typically teach in the north of brazil (anywhere north of sao paulo) because they are utterly ignored in the south, where being a white caucasian holds no value and they are treated like anyone else. these guys enjoy the attention they get being a white gringo in a land of brown people, have likely overstayed their tourist visa, and are working illegally. mostly though, they are here because of the brazilian girls.
the sao paulo business man - ex-pat: these are guys who come to sao paulo on short-business trips, or get transferred to sp by their respective companies. they are typically old, arrogant, fat, and ugly. however, they have money, and this guarantees them a sheltered existence in sao paulo filled with ex-pat gatherings, nice restaurants, and work...lots of work. they like sao paulo because they can frequent the *****houses after a long day of work, but are sad because they can´t exactly pick up a lot of normal women with their limited portuguese skills. prime example: the head of gm, that´s right general motors, for brazil a few years back. arrived in sao paulo, rented a gigantic house, met a local hooker, and put her up in a rented condo as his love slave until he was transferred of the country. my access to sao paulo gossip comes directly from my brazilian lawyer, who has loads of stories to tell.
the old black *****chaser: these guys are young black *****chasers, but now older and wiser. they now understand the difference between *****s and normal brazilian girls, are enrolled in some type of portuguese class back home, and dream about buying a place in rio or salvador to retire in. they try to expand their interest of brazil into other areas, such as pan-africanism in salvador, capoeira, bossa nova, bahian religious ceremonies, brazilian politics etc to cover the fact that deep down inside, it is their chase for brazilian pussy that drives them.
the mormon - christian missionary: these guys had no idea where brazil was before they were assigned for their missions. the mormon guys are white guys usually from utah, fulfilling their 2 year missions, and are found walking around with white shirts and ties on the streets of cities throughout brazil. their portuguese gets pretty good cuz they´re always trying to covert people, but they cannot date or have sex for their entire mission. as a result, they become a surly bunch, and find solace in hanging out with each other and drinking orange juice. the christian missionaries have no such barrier, and in the name of god and jesus christ, end up seducing a local brazilian girl. they promptly then marry her so they can pound into her bunda like the rest of the men here.
the young white *****chaser: these guys are american, italian, and german guys in their late 20s or 30s who come chasing girls. they want to seduce the regular brazilian girls, but since they only stay for a few weeks or at most, a month, at a time, and have limited portuguese skills, they end up side by side with the young black *****chaser and the old black *****chaser in the putarias. italians and germans are typically found in the nordeste. americans found in rio and the sudeste. some of these guys, benefitting from their youth, will crack into the regular brazilian girl scene. the losers will promptly marry the first regular girl who shows interested in them and try to take her back home on a fiancee visa.[/quote]
i havent been on this thread in a long time. who wrote this? you have a source or link? or did you write it?
i've been researching brazil and chatting online with some brazilian guys. things are looking down for brazil. although the country is poor and cant afford to enforce many laws, the female oriented laws are the main ones enforced -- like prison for not being able to pay your child support. only other country i know of that does this is the usa. even canada and england dont imprison men for failure to pay. and the women are becoming more americanized, in that they are refusing to do some of the more traditional things and taking the men's money when they break up.
i'll skip brazil. chile is next up on the feminists' lists, with the woman running the country now, who's only interested in furthering women's issues but not the country itself.
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[QUOTE=Jelly Donut]...Hardly anyone has made a net contribution worth a tinker's damn since John Maynard Keynes pointed out you could keep everyone busy by digging holes, filing them back in and then digging them again.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for quoting one of my personal heros, JD. Better yet keep everyong busy sitting in their office, playing with the internet (like I'm doing now).
But on the topic of American women - I must confess I miss them sometimes over here in Thailand. Why? Better blow jobs.
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[QUOTE=Dickhead]
However, what really puts the power in the hands of those with the pussies is not the addiction factor but the fact that prostitution is illegal in many places.
Pussy only has power to the extent that a guy is an idiot. [/QUOTE]
Well said DH.
Rock
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Wify probably caught husband giving himself a HJ......
....after she refused his sexual advances.
Woman sets fire to ex-husband's penis
Wed Aug 22, 10:53 AM ET
A woman set fire to her ex-husband's penis as he sat naked watching television and drinking vodka, Moscow police said Wednesday.
Asked if the man would make a full recovery, a police spokeswoman said it was "difficult to predict."
The attack climaxed three years of acrimonious enforced co-habitation. The couple divorced three years ago but continued to share a small flat, something common in Russia where property costs are very high.
"It was monstrously painful," the wounded ex-husband told Tvoi Den newspaper. "I was burning like a torch. I don't know what I did to deserve this."
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I've just seen this ad on CL and it has me a bit perplexed. Can anyone here deconstruct this ladies mindset. I personally think she's a screw loose from being labeled mentally challenged.
Weathly Older Men Only - w4m - 40
Date: 2007-08-25
Need some extra $$......I'm not looking for young guys...I've have a certain amount to make and I'm done. You must be drug, disease free, discreet, protection required....I'm am not a pro, not a child, so if your looking to play games....keep looking. I am very serious, so if your looking for the same then send me a pic and let's plan a night....I'm not available during the day so if that's the only time your available, then keep looking. I do not care to be with someone who's been with 50 different women either.....Thanks
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[QUOTE=Astor Bryan]I've just seen this ad on CL and it has me a bit perplexed. Can anyone here deconstruct this ladies mindset. I personally think she's a screw loose from being labeled mentally challenged.
Weathly Older Men Only - w4m - 40
Date: 2007-08-25
Need some extra $$......I'm not looking for young guys...I've have a certain amount to make and I'm done. You must be drug, disease free, discreet, protection required....I'm am not a pro, not a child, so if your looking to play games....keep looking. I am very serious, so if your looking for the same then send me a pic and let's plan a night....I'm not available during the day so if that's the only time your available, then keep looking. I do not care to be with someone who's been with 50 different women either.....Thanks[/QUOTE]
When I was looking at American women for a serious relationship 12-15 years ago, I ran into LOADS of identical personal ads online from women. The logic was that there were so many more men online than women, that a woman's ad would get SWAMPED with responses. So many that she couldn't possible answer them all given a few years. Women designed their ads to weed out, screen out, and generally turn off men whom the women did not want to deal with. They made up a laundry list of bad qualities of which if a man had any, he should not respond to her ad. If a woman put up a photo and was half-way good looking, that was an effective strategy, though I think only jerks would continue to respond to such ads.
Now, for a prostitute to have such an attitude??????????????? WTF??????
I can't see anyone except psychopathic liars and psychotic murders responding to her ad as you have written it. Clearly, this woman thinks that men look for sex and look for romance using identical standards. Otherwise she would use a different strategy herself for enticing men to her.
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The State of Males in the USA
I am wondering if any men here saw recent ads or PSAs against sexual predators. On TV this morning they were discussing it because a group of men have complained to the FCC about the ads claiming they were prejdiced against men.
The print ad is a picture of a man holding a child's hand with the caption "I just don't feel right when I see them together." There was also a radio spot featuring a woman fretting about whether to report a man as a sexual predator because she saw him with a child.
The group claims that the ads are counter-productive because the number of sexual predators is extremely small compared the number of adult males in the US. Making children afraid of men in general will do more harm then good since they will avoid men in an emergency or fail to be vigilant around abusive women. In addition, they say men will leave, and already have left, professions that deal with working with children, such as coaching, Big Brothers, teaching, or volunteering as scout leaders.
The women's group counters that 97% of convicted child molesters are men so that means men have to be targeted for vigilance. (They don't say whether women are ever arrested for child molestation, even though women have far more access to children than do men.) They also say that innocent men should not be offended by the ads nor limit their contact with children.
This is just the latest. With the IMBRA law, a man can't marry the adult he chooses without suspicion. Now, a man can't be a father to his children or a father figure to others' children without suspicion.
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That's Right - We're All Predators!
[url]http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/O/OR_BOTTOM_SLAPPING_OROL-?SITE=OREUG&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT[/url]
Did anyone see this story about two Oregon 13 year old boys brought up on adult felony sex abuse charges by a woman prosecutor for participating in "ass slapping day" at school? Everyone was doing it, even the girls. If convicted, they could have been branded for life as "sex offenders" and would have to register with police wherever they may live. Luckily the case was dismissed, but it's an outrage that it went so far.
Were I to apply for a job with children and asked why I wanted the job and were I to say "Because I love children", they'd call the cops on me pronto!
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Rock Dog, truer words have never been spoken on here. I think you hit the nail on the head! Marriage needs to be TOTALLY redefined.
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[QUOTE=Astor Bryan]Weathly Older Men Only - w4m - 40
Need some extra $$......I'm not looking for young guys...I've have a certain amount to make and I'm done.
I'm am not a pro, not a child, so if your looking to play games....keep looking.
I'm not available during the day so if that's the only time your available, then keep looking. [/QUOTE]
OK, I love a challenge.... but this definitely ain't it. Deconstructing the mindset evident in this womans post is easy.
First off, she's 40 and that says a lot about her right there. Next, no wasting time for this gal! She gets right to the point and starts talking about $$$... as in you men have it, and I want some too!
She then states that she isn't "a pro" but then goes on to say she isn't available during the daytime. Sorry boys, no nooners!
This women is what I like to call "a soft-core prostitute". A hard-core pro wants fee for service, with a definite dollar amount charged for various acts performed on a number of clients. Soft-core prostitutes don't take money in direct exchange for sex, they do it in a more 'round-about way and usually with just one guy.... but it still works out to the same thing. Women like this one are often classified as "semi-pro", but I personally feel soft-core prostitute is a more accurate term.
This woman just wants to find some guy to milk $$$ out of. Chances are she's relatively good-looking for her age (that's not saying much though). Or it may be that she just thinks she's still got it. Whatever! She definitley thinks that what she has is good enough that she shouldn't have to work for her money like the rest of us.
It might not make sense that a woman whom we would consider to be a prostitute would place such an ad. But remember, there really is no clear line between hard-core prostitution and all the things girls do to get guys to "be nice to them". There are probably countless women who do some very hookerly(?) things but would never consider themselves to be one.
Rock
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I am not looking for what this woman is looking for, but if I were looking for someone like her I would want someone who was at least marginally literate and knew a form of punctuation other than ellipses points.
"I've have a certain amount to make"; "I'm am not a pro" (so make an appointment with her, fuck her, don't pay her, then show her the ad she posted?); "If your looking to play games"; "If that's the only time your available," etc., makes me think she is dumber than a bag full of hammers.
So I notice that in America most avowed lesbians are fat and ugly. Here I find many gay and bi and bi-curious women who are quite cute, although none of that interests me. Therefore, my question is:
Do American women get fat and ugly because they are gay and don't care if they are attractive to men, or do they turn to lesbianism because they are too fat and ugly to get a guy? Or, given that most AWs are fat and unfeminine, it doesn't really matter?
And are other lesbians really attracted to fat, ugly women? I mean, I was in the US for the first time in a couple of years recently and among the many nauseating phenomena I noticed was a plethora of lesbian couples, both of whom were so fat and ugly that thinking about them having any form of sex was virtually out of the question. You couldn't even tell who was the rug muncher and who was the clam slammer.
Oh yeah and Rock, if a woman takes money or other material compensation in exchange for sex, she is a prostitute regardless of what she THINKS she is. Some of your posts make me wonder if you have figured that out yet.
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[QUOTE=Dickhead]So I notice that in America most avowed lesbians are fat and ugly. Here I find many gay and bi and bi-curious women who are quite cute, although none of that interests me. Therefore, my question is:
Do American women get fat and ugly because they are gay and don't care if they are attractive to men, or do they turn to lesbianism because they are too fat and ugly to get a guy? Or, given that most AWs are fat and unfeminine, it doesn't really matter?
And are other lesbians really attracted to fat, ugly women? I mean, I was in the US for the first time in a couple of years recently and among the many nauseating phenomena I noticed was a plethora of lesbian couples, both of whom were so fat and ugly that thinking about them having any form of sex was virtually out of the question. You couldn't even tell who was the rug muncher and who was the clam slammer.[/QUOTE]
Some scientists noticed the same thing you did and are now studying (with federal funding) if there is a link between obesity in women and lesbianism. This was reported in the popular media a few months ago.
I suspect that many of these women turn to other women for sex because they cannot get the quality men they feel they deserve due to their obesity. Only desperate men with few or NO other options (unemployed convicts for example) would want them. What I don't understand is why they don't pay for it like men do. There are many European women who pay Black men in the Caribbean for sex.
A question for you, DH, where is 'here'? What country to you live in?
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There are a growing number of AW who go to the Caribbean and pay for sex. But you'll never see these sex tourists prosecuted under our wonderful legal system, as they are now doing to American men.
Yes there's certainly a sizeable (haha) contingent of fat lesbians here. But I personally know a number of slender ones who are as understandably repelled by them as anyone else would be, and refuse to date them.
I agree that it's mighty difficult to even tell who's a lesbian in the US these days. Half of all women over 25 sure fit the mold: slovenly dress, ugly short haircut, unfeminine demeanor & manners, and obese as all hell. No wonder we can't tell them apart!
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From a female perspective (if it counts)
Reading the add that woman placed and reading the responses. I have to laugh.
Obviously this women is not to bright. Thats a certanity.
My particular perspective is. She is just found herself left by her husband who she never sexually satisfied for a 25 year old dolly bird that will give him head. She is stuck at home with two teenagers to care for a mortgage to pay (she took him to the cleaners for the house and car) She can't afford to go out and meet a man because she has that mortgage and she hasn't taken care of her fat ass or hair for 20 years since she got married. So she has decided that she will advertise for one ( i think its easier than the chat room for her) What she expects is this man to take over paying the mortgage, she doesn't want him to have any kids or at least they have to be fully independent. In return for him paying the mortgage (she's not a pro so she wants him to pay the bills not give her cash directly) she will give him occassional sex and cook an occassional bad meal. While she sits there in her 80's dress with 80's perm and complains about her kids and promises herself that she will start a diet tomorrow.
I bet she might even offer him a cheap bottle of wine sometimes, although you might find that it will always be the last of the bottle. Probably the bottle that her other divorced friend bought over two days ago for a drink.
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[QUOTE=Dickhead]
Oh yeah and Rock, if a woman takes money or other material compensation in exchange for sex, she is a prostitute regardless of what she THINKS she is. Some of your posts make me wonder if you have figured that out yet.[/QUOTE]
I figured it out a lonnnngg time ago. Not only that, I've also spent a lot of mental effort analyzing many different aspects of this concept (prostitution).
For me, it pretty much comes down to "how does one define prostitution in the first place?" Everyone has their own idea of what it means to be one. Some definitions are pretty narrow ie. the gal on the corner with the leather boots and a mini skirt. Some definitions are so broad and all-inclusive as to be useless..... as in anyone doing anything for money that they wouldn't do for free. Shit, that's almost everyone I know!
Women, no surprise, are hyper aware of what they can and cannot do if they don't want to get labelled. That's why I came up with the soft-core term. I think it makes a pretty good description for a multitude of women who basically are prostitutes, and have the pro attitude, but still want to be thought of as being nice..... whatever that means.
It seems like these days, women are raised up to be wh*res. Especially by their parents. The basic message, said in the most roundabout way, seems to be "Your pussy is more valuable than platinum, you must never give it out willy-nilly.... for it is the most valuable, special thing in the world."
The end result is that, when it comes to sex, most women do seem to have a "what's in it for me" attitude. And those are the kind of women that inspired me to come up with my "soft-core" definition. It's really the same thing, just some minor difference in the details.
Rock
ps. as far as lesbians go..... if they're fat/homely I do not care. If they're both even halfway good-looking, I wanna watch! :D
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Prostitutes exchange sexual favors in return for material gain or other benefits. Of course, that puts wives and girlfriends in the same category with hookers the only difference being the number of clients serviced.
Here is an interesting article from the hypocritical view of an unrepentant AW feminist who seeks to justify why she should have her cake and damned well eat it too.
[url]http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/HomeMortgageSavings/WhoPays.aspx#pageTopAchor[/url]
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[QUOTE=Rock Dog]
...these days, women are raised up to be wh*res. Especially by their parents. The basic message, said in the most roundabout way, seems to be "Your pussy is more valuable than platinum, you must never give it out willy-nilly.... for it is the most valuable, special thing in the world."..
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That's such a f'd up message. Their pussy (and sex itself) has been commodified. This is evident across the spectrum, from religious retards (Bush spent a billion on failed abstinance education from Texas Governor through today) who espouse virginity pledges until marriage to feminists and other so-called "liberals".
How insulting and dehumanizing, to tell a young woman that her greatest asset is her intact hymen. This mentality is infinitely more harmful to women than non-coersive prostitution or pornography, favorite targets of conservatives & liberals alike.
Thank you Sasha for the contribution of your humorous and wise perspective by deconstructing the cryptic ho'.
That MSN article accurately reflects mainstream AW attitude & expectation.
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Chocha,
I got about halfway through that article before I gave up. This woman is the worst example of AW attitude. She openly admits to the hypocrisy of it all...... and then continues on in a feeble attempt to justify her hypocrisy with some cheesy phoney romantic whitewash.
Oh, I know I'm not supposed to be like that, seeing as how I'm the badass of all feminists. But when a guy pays, it's just so romantic!
Um, yeah sure.... bullshit. These ho's just want to have it both ways.
One good thing about their attitude though, they're easy to spot. So, if you find yourself on a date with one of these "special little angels", you can get rid of her effortlessly (and cheaply!) by going Dutch.
Yogin, I agree with what you said. Also, the only reason for a womans virginity to be such a big deal is because of the insecurity of those men who are scared of a woman with some experience.
Rock
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[QUOTE=Yogin]That's such a f'd up message. Their pussy (and sex itself) has been commodified. This is evident across the spectrum, from religious retards (Bush spent a billion on failed abstinance education from Texas Governor through today) who espouse virginity pledges until marriage to feminists and other so-called "liberals".
How insulting and dehumanizing, to tell a young woman that her greatest asset is her intact hymen. This mentality is infinitely more harmful to women than non-coersive prostitution or pornography, favorite targets of conservatives & liberals alike.
Thank you Sasha for the contribution of your humorous and wise perspective by deconstructing the cryptic ho'.
That MSN article accurately reflects mainstream AW attitude & expectation.[/QUOTE]
That is a general Western notion, it not only applies to AWs but to Canadian, Anglo, and many Northwestern European women. In many places in the world the traditional social structure of male female relationships still exist but even in these places its changing.
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on the subject of female virginity
I'm not really into spouting off about equality and female rights. In fact I get so sick of listening to bra burning feminists I could puke.
but to tell a woman that her virginity is the most important thing she can offer is quite ridiculous. That reeks of religious zealots and reminds me of our very backwards forefathers. Surely in this day and age to be or not be a virgin is totally a personal decision. For both males and females.
For governments to be spouting off the value of virginity I have this mental picture of middle east where women are dehumanised and virginity and men rule supreme. I wonder isn't this what we are all fighting for the rights of the human being through out the middle east. Isn't this why we are trying to topple dictatorships. Maybe Mr Bush might like to bring virginity tests for newly married girls and female circumisicion.
Really and truly it is time governments got on with ruling countries not bedrooms.
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Who Wants a Virgin Anyway
I know this may not be proper forum for this comment, but who wants to bang a virgin. She'll hurt my dick trying to get in maybe tear skin. She won't know how to pop that cooch. She won't have any coochie-control. It just sounds horrible. What does sound good are 40 and 50 year old divorced women or30 year old single moms. Haha. Just my aside.
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[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]Prostitutes exchange sexual favors in return for material gain or other benefits. Of course, that puts wives and girlfriends in the same category with hookers the only difference being the number of clients serviced.
Here is an interesting article from the hypocritical view of an unrepentant AW feminist who seeks to justify why she should have her cake and damned well eat it too.
[url]http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/HomeMortgageSavings/WhoPays.aspx#pageTopAchor[/url][/QUOTE]
This one of the most fucked up things I have read in a long time. Basically, we have to pay for a women's time and affection, is that what I am reading? The archaic version of romance needs to be revamped, if women can break out of their traditional roles, then so can men. She is basically saying she is a ho that can be bought.
The irony.
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"Prehistorically, man provided food and shelter to show a woman he was interested."
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHH
That has to be the most egregious example of revisionist history I have EVER heard. Does she think he held the door of the cave open for her too? :P
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Even Worse
[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]Prostitutes exchange sexual favors in return for material gain or other benefits. Of course, that puts wives and girlfriends in the same category with hookers the only difference being the number of clients serviced. [/QUOTE]What's even worse Chocha Monger is that wives and girlfriends also ration the pussy even though you paid, are paying, and will pay in the future via the court system. Mongers keep Mongering!
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]"Prehistorically, man provided food and shelter to show a woman he was interested."
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHH[/QUOTE]That was hilarious. I also found it telling that she couldn't bring herself to say; "Historically, man provided food and shelter..."
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Prehistorically, that same man was banging about 6 other chicks at the same time. Probably a lot at the same time.
If women want to use antiquated notions to make their points, then so can we.
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And I'm sure cavemen were far more brutal with their mates than modern men are.
Some anthropologists claim that cavewomen had just as much reason and need to be wildly unfaithful as the men did. Evolutionary-based, it seems (Anatomy of Love, Helen Fisher Ph.D).
Saw a US "reality" show tonite called "Wife Swap". No it's not in any way lewd. One family portrayed made me sick: the mom & daughter were lazy, ungrateful, greedy, and totally disrespectful to dad, who appeared to have his balls snipped. He waits on them hand and foot in addition to supporting them and their extravagant tastes, isn't allowed to sleep in his own bed (that's for mom & daughter), never tells them "no", and is "allowed" to indulge his one true joy of golf only once a year. I think he's a step-dad and is footing the bill for his step-daughter's $300/month cell phone, not to mention her "need" for expensive clothes. The little teenaged b**** and American Princess (yes her mom uses the word "princess" constantly) reciprocates with eyerolls and backtalk.
And people wonder why I'm not married with kids yet or why I won't date a single mom or any AW for that matter...
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There's an excellent book on the subject, 'Sperm Warriors' or something... about evolution and human sexuality.
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[url]http://travel.yahoo.com/singles[/url]
Look at this useless drivel on yahoo....so called top destinations for singles, yeah right not for a beer drinking, big dicked pussy lovin' nut like me!!
The had the nerve to put NY ON THERE UGHHHH! Disgusting
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AW kicked off airplane for being too attractive
Has anyone heard about this story? Apparently, an AW was kicked off a flight from San Diego to Tuscon because she was too attractive! I guess the ugly Southwest Airlines flight attendants were pissed off because she was showing some leg, so they made her cover up wth a blanket. Can you imagine if airlines in Latin America/Asia/EE had draconian dress rules like this? Half the women on the plane would be kicked off!
What's funny is that this girl isn't even that hot; sure, she's got a sweet body, but she's kind of a butterface IMHO (probably from hitting the tanning beds too much).
[url]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20641687/[/url]
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And I'm sure cavemen were far more brutal with their mates than modern men are.
Re report....
Some anthropologists claim that cavewomen had just as much reason and
need to be wildly unfaithful as the men did. Evolutionary-based, it seems (Anatomy of Love, Helen Fisher Ph.D).
Saw a US "reality" show tonite called "Wife Swap". No it's not in any way lewd. One family portrayed made me sick: the mom & daughter were lazy, ungrateful, greedy, and totally disrespectful to dad, who appeared to have his balls snipped. He waits on them hand and foot in addition to supporting them and their extravagant tastes, isn't allowed to sleep in his own bed (that's for mom & daughter), never tells them "no", and is "allowed" to indulge his one true joy of golf only once a year. I think he's a step-dad and is footing the bill for his step-daughter's $300/month cell phone, not to mention her "need" for expensive clothes. The little teenaged b**** and American Princess (yes her mom uses the word "princess" constantly) reciprocates with eyerolls and backtalk.
And people wonder why I'm not married with kids yet or why I won't date a single mom or any AW for that matter...
SORRY ! like what the hell is this guy still there for ? I know these programs try to step out and make for conflict and interesting programs but seeing this episode and understanding what is going on here you have to take a step back.
A huge next state step back. I had the unfortunate experiance of being in a relationship with a woman who thought that the world owed her a life - LWTF.
She spent time in bed 'ill' and couldnt be bothered to get up and work, she had issues with all sorts of areas of life and I was a dutz to begin with. Finally realised that this was not the norm - seeing her live off of handouts from her parents and still able to run and do work for charities but not able to get out of bed and go work.
her kids wanted money for things - sport activities and such and I tried to help - did a multiple hour shift to get in some overtime and when the paycheck came in i was asked was that all there was !
The coffee was brewing but I could not smell it just yet.
Taking one kid to an after school activity I got the pleading eyes and the begging talk for money for something. Like wait a minute go and ask you effin father, you talk to me like shit and yet you are asking me for money - Nope the coffee was there and I was a smelling it.
I got out of that relationship and now Im in a mutually beneficial one now, both on similar salary and sharing the duties that a man and woman should. Two way street and we have a great sex life, instead of having one at each pay day and wondering what I was going to do for 28 days or so. Sleeping next to a ice maiden who looked at you as a meal ticket. Id not even say it was a ***** experiance as the sex was crap and didnt ring any bells. Id have paid for it and gotten better service from downtown crack addict.
Anyways she is still going through her own issues still and Im doing okay for myself now.
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[QUOTE=Ezinho]Has anyone heard about this story? Apparently, an AW was kicked off a flight from San Diego to Tuscon because she was too attractive! I guess the ugly Southwest Airlines flight attendants were pissed off because she was showing some leg, so they made her cover up wth a blanket. Can you imagine if airlines in Latin America/Asia/EE had draconian dress rules like this? Half the women on the plane would be kicked off!
What's funny is that this girl isn't even that hot; sure, she's got a sweet body, but she's kind of a butterface IMHO (probably from hitting the tanning beds too much).
[url]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20641687/[/url][/QUOTE]
I saw it on CNN a few times. It has been on both the national and local news. SEX SELLS!!!
My impression was that this chick, mediocre looking at best, showed too much cleavage and too much leg for someone's taste. They reported Southwest as saying that there was concern over her appearance by some people. I think it was other passengers.
The newscasters made a point of saying that Southwest has no passenger dress code. Her dress violated no rule that would warrant being taken off a flight. So this was ENTIRELY arbitrary!
What is the worst, as one anchor noted, is that we are supposed to be concerned about flight safety and no one's safety was threatened here. Still everyone got distracted and a terrorist might have been able to do something while everyone is harassing this woman.
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[QUOTE=Ezinho]she's kind of a butterface IMHO[/QUOTE]Pardon my ignorance, but what is a "butterface?"
DB
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[QUOTE=Dodger Bulldog]Pardon my ignorance, but what is a "butterface?"
DB[/QUOTE]
"She has a hot body...butter face?...not so much."
In this chick's case she's done too much time in tanning booths, it's ravaged her skin way before its time.
I'm sure the only ones doing the complaining on the plane were other women. The treachery women do to each other in our society is simply jaw-dropping.
Anyone heard of those BodyWorlds exhibits of real bodies that are plastinated? Only a tiny number of them are female, they say, because of "concerns from the community on the risk of a voyeuristic element", so says the website. Apparently it's only ok for people to perv on male dead plastinated remains, but not female ones. Yet more proof our society is sick beyond hope.
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[QUOTE=George90]I saw it on CNN a few times. It has been on both the national and local news. SEX SELLS!!!
My impression was that this chick, mediocre looking at best, showed too much cleavage and too much leg for someone's taste. They reported Southwest as saying that there was concern over her appearance by some people. I think it was other passengers.
The newscasters made a point of saying that Southwest has no passenger dress code. Her dress violated no rule that would warrant being taken off a flight. So this was ENTIRELY arbitrary!
What is the worst, as one anchor noted, is that we are supposed to be concerned about flight safety and no one's safety was threatened here. Still everyone got distracted and a terrorist might have been able to do something while everyone is harassing this woman.[/QUOTE]
Yes, that is why culture war is raging. Us as a country focus way too much on what is not important, sex being the number 1 target usually.
There many Americans that are scared we'll take on a more progressive socialization similar to Western Europe. Why I don't know, Universal Health Care; letting people die in peace without pain and without suffering. We don't want people to die in the war over OIL but its okay to let Americans at home die from improper health care....
I really hope we as a nation turn the corner here when Bush is either forced out or they let him complete his turn as the worst leader of the free world we have ever, and I do mean ever have known.
I'll be sure not to fly on Southwest Airlines anytime soon...
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The USA is on its way down regardless of what happens at this point, the dollar continues to slide, and its not some anomaly, it is falling out of favor against the more powerful Euro.
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More sexual blackmail
[url]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20590897/site/newsweek/[/url]
I have no problem doing my share of the dishes, laundry, cleaning the bathroom blah blah. It is natural to me since I have lived alone most of my life, and since I believe in full equality of the sexes. The problem I have is the premise that the more dishes I do, the more sex I get. Seems a bit Pavlovian to me.
Where I live, it is considered flat out odd for men to do any household chores. I was recently renegotiating my lease with my landlord. I told him I did not care about cable TV or maid service, which are included in the rent. He thought I was kidding him when I told him the only time I turned on the TV was to check the temperature, which of course I can do over the internet (also included in the rent) or even by sticking my arm out the window.
But he said, "Maid service is very important. Otherwise who will change the sheets?" Ummm, me? Like I did my whole life until I moved here? How long does it take to clean a one-bedroom apartment? An obvious answer would be "however long this maid spends here" which is like 90 minutes but she is fat and inefficient.
You have a hooker here, and you treat her okay, and you won't need a maid. The hooker I had tonight, I fed her a good dinner. She did the dishes, including cleaning the stove and the counter tops, and she made the bed (a waste of time to my way of thinking). She also used her towel to wipe out the shower after we were done showering, which is not something I would do but hey.
I said this to my landlord: I have plenty of women who would have no problems changing my sheets, but I also have no problem changing them myself. He looked at me sort of "sideways dog-head." Fucker has probably never washed a dish or changed a sheet in his life. He one time asked me how I managed to juggle so many women and I said, "Two things: cook for them and eat pussy." Both of these ideas horrified him.
When I used to cook for American women, they used to tell me what to cook and how to cook it and how they had all these allergies so don't use this or that or the othermotherfucking thing. How about this? I cook it, and if you don't like it, don't eat it! Now there is a concept.
Down here I do have to follow some simple rules like don't use many spices and be prepared for them to dump 14 pounds of salt on whatever I cook. But they eat it, gladly, and do the dishes, and fuck me BEFORE dinner and AFTER dinner or there is no repeat. And doing the dishes is easy for them because I guarantee you they leave NOTHING on their plates.
I still have a lot of good American women friends but they don't get it. Tammy Wynette says "Stand By Your Man." No. Go the fuck DOWN on your man, early and often, and things will be good. One AW friend of mine told me that if there was not enough sex he could just jack off. I asked, what, then, was the point of being married. She did not get it. No self-respecting husband here would ever jack off. He would fuck the neighbor or go to a *****house with the grocery money.
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[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]The USA is on its way down regardless of what happens at this point, the dollar continues to slide, and its not some anomaly, [blah blah...] [/QUOTE]
[Yawn] CBGB, you've uttered this same exact thing dozens of times it seems. Might you have a macro key programmed to spit out the same missive over and over? It would save you the trouble.
Do you have any helpful educational or amusing info, reports, articles, experiences, or opinions to offer on AW's?
Dickhead: well said! But it isn't Pavlovian (classical conditioning); rather it is Skinnerian (operant conditioning/positive reinforcement). Your AW references are spot-on. I refuse to be controlled by a woman (and I've no need myself to control a woman) or be subjected to sex being used as a tool or weapon. Hence probably why I've never married.
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I have a lot of experiences with American women, recently going back for a brief visit after spending some time in Europe, I could not believe how fat and ugly most American women are.
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[QUOTE=Dickhead]
You have a hooker here, and you treat her okay, and you won't need a maid. The hooker I had tonight, I fed her a good dinner. She did the dishes, including cleaning the stove and the counter tops, and she made the bed. [/QUOTE]
So, you have a way to get women of your choosing to help out with chores and provide a variety of sexual enjoyments. You've pretty much eliminated the main reasons for a wife/GF.
This post should be required reading for any guy who is thinking about bothering with a long-term relationship. Well done!
Rock
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If your resigned to not getting married and not having kids, then Rock doing what DH is doing might be ideal for you.
I know my limitations, age is a number and important to those that live in Western Culture. Women under 27 basically aren't interested, period. I'd say roughly 2/3rds of those women in Westernized countries have at least ONE child, not ideal but as they say when you given Lemons...
I am not happy about that and that means to ultimately to get what I want I have to leave the country, my search for long term happiness is becoming very costly.
I think in the end, if the correct decision is made, LTR still cost less than "Paid Labor" if you compare 20 years of mongering to 20 years of 100% happy wedded bliss.
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20 years of 100% happy wedded bliss. Uh huh. Good luck with that. You need to listen to more Meat Loaf and less Donny and Marie.
But see, Rock Dog, it IS a long-term relationship. One I had here this week, I have been seeing her around once a week for three and a half years. It is not just sex. We cook together, play cards and chess, shoot pool, go to plays, and concerts, and take trips together. She fucks me EVERY time, and I give her money EVERY time except for when I tell her I don't have any and she says she wants to come over anyway (maybe one time in ten).
The one I had last night I have been seeing for three years this month. She is (sort of) married, not legally married, but for that reason we don't go out in public much. We watch horror flicks and she cuts my hair, shaves my beard, shaves my neck, trims my eyebrows; she is a professional barber with her own barber shop. She fucks me EVERY time, and I give her money MOST times (maybe three times out of four) and 1 or 2 meals every time.
Another gal I have known for three and a half years opened up her own *****house. I don't see her as often any more but whenever she gets a new gal she has me come test her out and I only pay the 40% that the girl gets. My friend waives her cut due to past favors I have done, and for giving her business advice.
Then I fuck two or three new gals a week and maybe one other repeat. This all costs about $350 a week US including food and beverages.
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Dirkhead you have seen the light!!!! If a guy is not interested in having children why bother getting married or hitched to one woman. Seeing two or three fuckbuddy's regularly works just fine with me.
[QUOTE=Dickhead]20 years of 100% happy wedded bliss. Uh huh. Good luck with that. You need to listen to more Meat Loaf and less Donny and Marie.
But see, Rock Dog, it IS a long-term relationship. One I had here this week, I have been seeing her around once a week for three and a half years. It is not just sex. We cook together, play cards and chess, shoot pool, go to plays, and concerts, and take trips together. She fucks me EVERY time, and I give her money EVERY time except for when I tell her I don't have any and she says she wants to come over anyway (maybe one time in ten).
The one I had last night I have been seeing for three years this month. She is (sort of) married, not legally married, but for that reason we don't go out in public much. We watch horror flicks and she cuts my hair, shaves my beard, shaves my neck, trims my eyebrows; she is a professional barber with her own barber shop. She fucks me EVERY time, and I give her money MOST times (maybe three times out of four) and 1 or 2 meals every time.
Another gal I have known for three and a half years opened up her own *****house. I don't see her as often any more but whenever she gets a new gal she has me come test her out and I only pay the 40% that the girl gets. My friend waives her cut due to past favors I have done, and for giving her business advice.
Then I fuck two or three new gals a week and maybe one other repeat. This all costs about $350 a week US including food and beverages.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]The USA is on its way down regardless of what happens at this point, the dollar continues to slide, and its not some anomaly, it is falling out of favor against the more powerful Euro.[/QUOTE]
I agree with CBGB the U.S economy is on it's way down.
With the U.S. Dollar Index breaking decisively below its long-term support level, the sun is finally setting on the golden age of American consumption. As America’s economic dominance fades, so too will the faith in the central thesis that has explained its apparent success and has shaped the majority of recent economic theory.
At issue is the belief that a nation can grow and prosper by borrowing from abroad in order to consume imported goods. To consume at the pace that it has, America exchanges income producing assets, such as companies or property, or interest bearing IOUs, such as Treasury notes or mortgage-backed bonds, for foreign made clothes, toys and electronics. Economists call these transactions “growth”. But rather than discovering a new path to prosperity, America has simply stumbled on a short cut to financial ruin.
For years America has convinced the emerging market countries that their prosperity is a function of our consumption. It is argued that their export oriented economies would falter if not for the insatiable American willingness to consume (a “virtue” that is assumed to be uniquely American). As the dollar falls into the abyss, this myth will be shattered.
My forecast is that over the next two to three years the U.S. Dollar index will fall to 40; half of its current value. As this happens, much of America’s economic power will be transferred abroad. The chart below approximates current per capita U.S. dollar GDP for thirty nations, including the United States, listed in descending order.
Luxembourg 91,926.63
Norway 76,447.78
Ireland 57,163.07
Switzerland 54,466.77
Iceland 53,532.47
United States 46,085.15
Sweden 44,454.36
Netherlands 42,762.96
United Kingdom 41,959.85
Canada 41,347.87
Australia 37,981.52
France 37,416.55
Germany 36,779.14
United Arab Emirates 36,180.87
Japan 36,021.22
Singapore 32,082.02
Spain 31,726.55
New Zealand 24,511.95
Greece 24,030.41
Israel 20,510.55
Portugal 19,287.51
Saudi Arabia 16,612.16
Poland 9,214.27
Chile 8,335.70
Russia 8,183.02
Mexico 7,755.69
Argentina 6,548.80
Venezuela 6,393.99
Brazil 5,518.21
Peru 3,328.55
A 50% decline in the value of the dollar will simultaneously increase interest rates, consumer prices and unemployment in the United States, while causing stock and real estate prices to fall. Consumption, which accounts for better than 70% of U.S. GDP, should collapse as a result, producing a significant recession. My forecast is that U.S. GDP will contract by at least 20%. (The Fed may seek to mitigate the nominal decline with expansive monetary policy, but such moves will only result in an even greater contraction in real GDP.)
Assuming a 50% decline in the value of the dollar and a 20% fall in U.S. GDP, the above chart would look something like this:
Luxembourg 183,853.25
Norway 152,895.56
Ireland 114,326.14
Switzerland 108,933.54
Iceland 107,064.94
Sweden 88,908.73
Netherlands 85,525.93
United Kingdom 83,919.70
Canada 82,695.74
Australia 75,963.04
France 74,833.10
Germany 73,558.27
United Arab Emirates 72,361.73
Japan 72,042.44
Singapore 64,164.05
Spain 63,453.11
New Zealand 49,023.91
Greece 48,060.83
Israel 41,021.10
Portugal 38,575.02
United States 36,868.12
Saudi Arabia 33,224.32
Chile 16,671.40
Russia 16,366.03
Mexico 15,511.38
Argentina 13,097.61
Venezuela 12,787.97
Brazil 11,036.41
Peru 6,657.09
Obviously, these projections are very rough. Not all foreign currencies will rise in step and not all foreign GDPs will remain constant at today’s levels in local currencies. However it is the concept that is important. Notice how America falls from 6th place to 21st. America’s per capita GDP falls from 58% of Luxemburg’s, the top nation on the list, to a mere 20%. America’s per capita GDP falls from 14 times that of Peru, the lowest nation on the list, to only 5.6 times.
China is conspicuously absent from the list. Its current per capita GDP is only about $2,200. However, were China to allow its currency to float freely, my belief is that the yuan would rise far more significantly than other currencies. I have no idea how much more significantly that rise will be, but let us assume that its rise against the dollar would be double the rate of the typical currency in the Dollar Index. That would result in China’s per capita GDP rising to $8,800, just above Peru’s but still below Brazil’s.
Factoring in China’s enormous population means that such a significant rise in its per capita GDP would have a profound impact on global consumption. Consider the following table, in billions of U.S. dollars, of the GDPs of the G-7 nations plus China:
United States 13,928.462
Japan 4,599.358
Germany 3,036.853
China 2,871.019
United Kingdom 2,552.655
France 2,370.843
Italy 1,949.878
Canada 1,357.073
Now consider the table with my assumptions regarding exchange rates and a 20% decline in U.S. GDP.
China 11,484.08
United States 11,142.77
Japan 9,198.72
Germany 6,073.71
United Kingdom 5,105.31
France 4,741.69
Italy 3,899.76
Canada 2,714.15
Under this scenario, China supplants the United States as the world’s largest economy, not in 30 or 40 years as is commonly believed, but perhaps as soon as before the end of this decade. The U.S. retains its lead over Japan for second place, yet the margin declines from over 300% to just 10%. (My prediction is that the yen will rise more significantly than most other currencies meaning that Japan’s GDP will likely surpass U.S. GDP as well.) Further, the GDP of the thirteen nations sharing the euro is currently about 12.8 trillion dollars. After the dollar’s decline it will rise to a staggering 25.6 trillion, more then twice that of the U.S. As a result, considering the EU as a single nation, the U.S. economy would then rank forth among the world’s largest, with its GDP declining from 43% of world GDP to only 21%.
Current ideology holds that a recession in the United States as severe as the one I am forecasting would be catastrophic for the global economy. But this short-sighted view overlooks the effects of such tremendous dollar gains in the GDPs of the rest of the world. Wouldn’t the increased consumption of everyone else offset the effects of the decreased consumption of Americans? It is not as if factories around the world would shut down if Americans stopped spending. All that would change would be the nationality of the buyers.
As American consumer spending declines, foreign spending will rise to take its place. With an explosion in foreign purchasing power, consumers around the world will see the dollar values of their incomes and savings soar. Globally, goods will fall in price and consumers around the world will snap up the bargains. Goods that were formerly out of reach for many foreign consumers will now be affordable. The reverse will occur in America. As production is diverted away from poorer Americans to more affluent foreigners, consumer prices in America will rise sharply. Goods that Americans used to easily “afford” will now be out of reach.
As gold surpasses $700 per ounce, oil tops $80 per barrel, and wheat prices exceed $9 per bushel, Americans are already getting a taste of things to come. Prices for these and other commodities are rising as a direct result of the weakness in the dollar. As this weakness intensifies in the months ahead, commodity price increases will accelerate. However, as their own currencies rise, many foreign buyers will actually experience price decreases. The result will be even greater demand for commodities from abroad just as domestic demand subsides.
Further, as the world stops exporting so much of its savings to America, there will be far more capital available to foreign entrepreneurs to invest productively. Think of the crowding out effect of so much of the world’s savings being lent to American consumers. Now imagine the foreign investment boom that would follow as foreigners reclaim access to their own savings.
The American propensity to consume is not a unique talent. Any nation can emulate it so long as it finds willing lenders and suppliers. Production on the other hand is an entirely different matter. It requires free markets, limited government, the rule of law, savings, capital and hard work. The world economy will not be brought to its knees simply because Americans stop consuming. Rather it is America’s service sector economy that will collapse once the rest of the world stops propping it up.
[url]http://www.europac.net/[/url]
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Ahh the mysteries of economics!
So the US Dollar continues to slide. But there's are reason for this... it isn't happening by accident you know. Some of the decline is on purpose.
When the US dollar is strong, more imported goods can be purchased for a given amount of money. It also means that, in other countries, US made goods are comparatively expensive. As an example, up here in Canada, a new Corvette was going for about 75 or 80 thousand dollars Cdn. Down there it's like maybe 50k. Now that a Canadian dollar is almost even with a US dollar, lot's of guys are heading south and buying these cars because it seems like such a great deal.
When the US dollar goes down, imports become comparatively more expensive. But, on the flipside, US exports become more competitive... which helps the US economy.
A more insidious effect of a weaker US dollar is the loss of prestige. Lot's of people across the world see America as the #1 destination of choice. These are the hard-working, smart, motivated types that want to get ahead in life. Having so many of them coming to America gives you guys a much un-appreciated advantage. It's almost like they way the Yankees can keep winning because they can buy all the best talent.
I can see a future where China and India are more equal economically and even in military strength. But I don't really see any other countries in the world that can offer the same chance to get ahead, the same wide open spaces so to speak. Maybe the US won't be number 1, but it will be a great nation for a long time to come.
After all, you don't see a lot of foreign women wanting to get married to some guy in India or China. Not yet anyways.
Rock
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Rock Dog, have you ever been to India? The idea of it being anywhere equivalent to the US in anything any time in this century is absolutely ludicrous. Military strength? India equivalent to the US? Please.
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The current standard of living in India is roughly about where we were a hundred years ago. A person from 19th century London walking through the streets of any major Indian city would notice many similarities.
We made it from there to where we are today in a hundred years. It may very well happen in a lot less time for countries like India, since they have our example to go by. India has a 3 to 1 population advantage, so once they get a middle-class going in ther own country, they'll have a huge home market.
In military terms? Even now they have nukes and missiles that can carry them. Sure the US has a more capable military for the time being. But it's the most expensive military in the world. The only reason you guys can afford it is because of deficit spending that is being carried by American taxpayers.
First you get the economy, then you have the money, then you buy a powerful military. That's how it worked for the USA and there's no reason at all why the same shouldn't apply to other nations. Will this happen anytime in our lives? I think I'll see it some day when I'm an oldtimer. Remember, I'm talking about a rough economic/military parity.... NOT superiority.
No country stays on top forever. The Roman empire was pretty big.....Italy? Not such a big deal. The Persian empire was the most powerful of it's time. Now? Iran, just one little country run by troublemakers dreaming of greater influence. How about the Soviets? They were supposed to be pretty scary but how scary are they now?
The British Empire was pretty amazing in it's day. They were the number one power in the world with colonies all over the place. India, Africa, Asia and North America all got colonized or ruled by the brits at one time or another. They eventually collapsed under the burden of maintaining their empire and today, Britain is a second-rate power. Can you imagine the reaction of a 1907 Brit if they could see how fast their country was going to sink over the next few decades? I think something similar will inevitably happen to the US. We're still only in 2007. 2100 AD is a long ways off.
Rock
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We got in this position because our leaders are ignorant fools
Early this morning China let the idiots in Washington, and on Wall Street, know that it has them by the short hairs. Two senior spokesmen for the Chinese government observed that China's considerable holdings of US dollars and Treasury bonds "contributes a great deal to maintaining the position of the dollar as a reserve currency."
Should the US proceed with sanctions intended to cause the Chinese currency to appreciate, "the Chinese central bank will be forced to sell dollars, which might lead to a mass depreciation of the dollar."
If Western financial markets are sufficiently intelligent to comprehend the message, US interest rates will rise regardless of any further action by China. At this point, China does not need to sell a single bond. In an instant, China has made it clear that US interest rates depend on China, not on the Federal Reserve.
The precarious position of the US dollar as reserve currency has been thoroughly ignored and denied. The delusion that the US is "the world's sole superpower," whose currency is desirable regardless of its excess supply, reflects American hubris, not reality. This hubris is so extreme that only 6 weeks ago McKinsey Global Institute published a study that concluded that even a doubling of the US current account deficit to $1.6 trillion would pose no problem.
Strategic thinkers, if any remain who have not been purged by neocons, will quickly conclude that China's power over the value of the dollar and US interest rates also gives China power over US foreign policy. The US was able to attack Afghanistan and Iraq only because China provided the largest part of the financing for Bush's wars.
If China ceased to buy US Treasuries, Bush's wars would end. The savings rate of US consumers is essentially zero, and several million are afflicted with mortgages that they cannot afford. With Bush's budget in deficit and with no room in the US consumer's budget for a tax increase, Bush's wars can only be financed by foreigners.
.No country on earth, except for Israel, supports the Bush regimes' desire to attack Iran. It is China's decision whether it calls in the US ambassador, and delivers the message that there will be no attack on Iran or further war unless the US is prepared to buy back $900 billion in US Treasury bonds and other dollar assets.
The US, of course, has no foreign reserves with which to make the purchase. The impact of such a large sale on US interest rates would wreck the US economy and effectively end Bush's war-making capability. Moreover, other governments would likely follow the Chinese lead, as the main support for the US dollar has been China's willingness to accumulate them. If the largest holder dumped the dollar, other countries would dump dollars, too.
The value and purchasing power of the US dollar would fall. When hard-pressed Americans went to Wal-Mart to make their purchases, the new prices would make them think they had wandered into Nieman Marcus. Americans would not be able to maintain their current living standard.
Simultaneously, Americans would be hit either with tax increases in order to close a budget deficit that foreigners will no longer finance or with large cuts in income security programs. The only other source of budgetary finance would be for the government to print money to pay its bills. In this event, Americans would experience inflation in addition to higher prices from dollar devaluation.
This is a grim outlook. We got in this position because our leaders are ignorant fools. So are our economists, many of whom are paid shills for some interest group. So are our corporate leaders whose greed gave China power over the US by offshoring the US production of goods and services to China. It was the corporate fat cats who turned US Gross Domestic Product into Chinese imports, and it was the "free trade, free market economists" who egged it on.
How did a people as stupid as Americans get so full of hubris?
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Our Leaders are Doing this Intentionally
The advisors to our political leaders are not as stupid as we think. There is a strategy to embracing economic policies which are hurting the value of the dollar. The objective of that strategy is economic growth through rising exports.
President Bush and Treasury Sect. Paulson revealed this in 2006 when they declared that supporting the value of the dollar would no longer be a high priority. Bush's buddies in industries such as defense, transportation, iron/steel, computers and other high tech stuff, insisted on a low dollar so that US manufacturing could be competitive with countries paying lower wages than the US.
The strategy is working for them. Boeing recently announced that its orders for passenger jets have risen dramatically and it is winning orders over Airbus Industries.
The fact that this strategy is not working for ordinary Americans doesn't mean the politicians and business leaders are stupid. It means they are governing with only the interests of the elite in consideration. Whether or not the American voters are stupid for voting such politicians into office twice in a row is a different question.
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Dickhead, The US military could be severely crippled at any time by France Russia OR China, why, because we DEPEND on them for essential materials and finished products for the military. The LAST thing on earth a country should think of outsourcing, we fucking did it.
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[QUOTE=Rock Dog]Ahh the mysteries of economics!
So the US Dollar continues to slide. But there's are reason for this... it isn't happening by accident you know. Some of the decline is on purpose.
When the US dollar is strong, more imported goods can be purchased for a given amount of money. It also means that, in other countries, US made goods are comparatively expensive. As an example, up here in Canada, a new Corvette was going for about 75 or 80 thousand dollars Cdn. Down there it's like maybe 50k. Now that a Canadian dollar is almost even with a US dollar, lot's of guys are heading south and buying these cars because it seems like such a great deal.
When the US dollar goes down, imports become comparatively more expensive. But, on the flipside, US exports become more competitive... which helps the US economy.
A more insidious effect of a weaker US dollar is the loss of prestige. Lot's of people across the world see America as the #1 destination of choice. These are the hard-working, smart, motivated types that want to get ahead in life. Having so many of them coming to America gives you guys a much un-appreciated advantage. It's almost like they way the Yankees can keep winning because they can buy all the best talent.
I can see a future where China and India are more equal economically and even in military strength. But I don't really see any other countries in the world that can offer the same chance to get ahead, the same wide open spaces so to speak. Maybe the US won't be number 1, but it will be a great nation for a long time to come.
After all, you don't see a lot of foreign women wanting to get married to some guy in India or China. Not yet anyways.
Rock[/QUOTE]
The American government now has to play along with China, the fact that Hank Paulson and Elaine Chao ran off to Beijing for an emergency meeting with Chinese officials demonstrates how vulnerable the US is at this point. Still the Chinese depend on the US market for their goods and services, but it they are not going to finance American debt forever, especially since the dollar has been depreciating considerably, the Chinese have been looking at holding Gold and Euros.
As far as India becoming a country with a standard of living comparable to the US its highly doubtful that it will happen for at least 30 to 40 years. China though on the other hand is modernizing at a much faster rate, and if the US Dollar depreciates the way it is according to Peter Schiff, the Chinese GDP will be bigger than the US by 2010. The US will still have a higher per capita income, but its standard of living will be lower than that of Western Europe, Japan, Australia, and Canada. Even a poorer European country like Greece will have a higher per capita GDP than the US, and that is an embarassment.
As far as women going to Asian guys, it will happen, because its all about the money. During a few recent trips to Hong Kong, I saw large numbers of European girls working there and mostly "entertaining" well off gentlemen.
Speaking of Europe, the Euro will eventually displace the US Dollar as the currency of record, and among the Western white countries, the EU will have the upper hand over the USA.
The idea that the dollar is sliding to make US exports more competitive is spurious because the US today produces few exportable goods with exception of aircraft and military equipment.
Even with the fall of the dollar that Schiff talks about, the US will still be a reasonably comfortable country to live in, it has a lot of things that most places do not have, plenty of land, clean water, food, natural resources. Most Americans live in a private house instead of an apartment, etc. The US really needs to think of new strategies, maybe even disengagement from the Mideast which has brought nothing but problems. With a massive nuclear arsenal, no country will invade America without causing a nuclear war. Regardless future American governments will have to focus on fixing America's own internal problems than with foreign affairs.
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]Dickhead, The US military could be severely crippled at any time by France Russia OR China, why, because we DEPEND on them for essential materials and finished products for the military. The LAST thing on earth a country should think of outsourcing, we fucking did it.[/QUOTE]
BC:
There is no military in the world even close to challenging the US military. The Iraq fiasco is just that, a fiasco.... and the fact that we are still there the ultimate demonstration that the US has money to burn and an army to play with. But until China, India or Russia gain the logistics and strength to truly project their power, they'll be playing second and third fiddle to the US. Imagine Chinese interests in Africa (where the are heavily investing) were attacked? What would they be able to do? Not a damn thing because a few million troops do you no good if you can't put them where you need them.
US dependent on French, Russian or Chinese products/materials? Examples? We buy weapons from the Belgians and Israelis, some vehicles from South Africa and Australia... but nothing that can't be produced at home.
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[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]BC:
There is no military in the world even close to challenging the US military. The Iraq fiasco is just that, a fiasco.... and the fact that we are still there the ultimate demonstration that the US has money to burn and an army to play with. But until China, India or Russia gain the logistics and strength to truly project their power, they'll be playing second and third fiddle to the US. Imagine Chinese interests in Africa (where the are heavily investing) were attacked? What would they be able to do? Not a damn thing because a few million troops do you no good if you can't put them where you need them.
US dependent on French, Russian or Chinese products/materials? Examples? We buy weapons from the Belgians and Israelis, some vehicles from South Africa and Australia... but nothing that can't be produced at home.[/QUOTE]
My opinion......The greatest military in the world has been brought to it's knees by a bunch of rag tag Sunnu/Shia militia's. The U.S military was never designed to fight urban guerilla's. Unfortunately this illegal Iraq war has given other world wide guerilla fighters a blue print on how to fight U.S forces.
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[QUOTE=Astor Bryan]My opinion......The greatest military in the world has been brought to it's knees by a bunch of rag tag Sunnu/Shia militia's. The U.S military was never designed to fight urban guerilla's. Unfortunately this illegal Iraq war has given other world wide guerilla fighters a blue print on how to fight U.S forces.[/QUOTE]
You watch too much TV... :) Brought to its knees? That's a very skewed view. Killing 3 soldiers a week fighting with snipers and IEDs is hardly "bringing an army to its knees".
I am against the Iraq war, always was. It's totally unnecessary and costly in both man, material and reputation/respect. We won't win there, as we are fighting the wrong way. You can only win a guerilla war by proxy or genocide. We are unwilling to do either. But brought to its knees?
That's silly and shows a total lack of understanding of what's going on militarily in Iraq.
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At the present time there is no conventional military force that can compete with the USA but there are many countries that have a nuclear detterant at the present time. Russia and China can both react to an American assault that would lead to nuclear war. In another 15 years, I expect China and Europe to build military forces that will surpass that of the US. Europe clearly has industrial might that surpasses the US and will use these conventional industries to build
an EU Army.
The Chinese have the American economy by the balls and that is all they really need to manipulate and blackmail the US Government at this point.
The coming European Superpower and the Chinese Russian Axis will spell the end of an American dominated globe.
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[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]In another 15 years, I expect China and Europe to build military forces that will surpass that of the US. Europe clearly has industrial might that surpasses the US and will use these conventional industries to build
an EU Army.[/QUOTE]
China is already working on it, most significantly developing a vast submarine fleet that is a real challenge to US naval superiority, the Russians are also starting things up in this direction not to mention working on advanced missile technology... their specialty. Still, they are both more than a decade away from challenging the US and will have to invest hundreds of billions to even catch up... potentially sabotaging their needed work on their countries' infrastructure which is necessary to sustain growth.
The EU army? You have got to be kidding. No chance on that, their internal politics and 3% defence spending will prohibit them from fielding more than a regiment or two. Even the UK has an astonishly small and weak army. Individual units, like Royal Marines, Paras or SAS/SBS are absolutely world class fighters.. but puny in size. Swedish submarines some of the world's stealthiest and the Germans still experts in building military equipment, especially tanks and small arms. But a military complex? It's still unstructured and small. The Typhoon project was a financial fiasco and the aircraft already second rate to the F-22, F-35, Su-30 and Su-35 before it has even been properly fielded. They can't even build a heavy transport plane of their own and instead buy them from the US and Russia.
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Fyi, Israel is America's high tech backdoor. The Israelis are already selling off key US technologies to China and India. Recall the Israeli Lavi jet? Israel is also helping to modernize India's nuclear arsenal which will grow five fold by 2010.
The EU Army may sound remote now but its coming. Europe is engaging in currency warfare with the US and the Euro is going to dominate world finance, the dollar is on its way out and there will be no way for the US to finance a large military and foreign wars.
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[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]Fyi, Israel is America's high tech backdoor. The Israelis are already selling off key US technologies to China and India. [/QUOTE]
That's why we won't sell them the F22.
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FYI...While the news media have finally started to grapple with the colossal amount of killing, a number of misunderstandings persist. Some are willful deceptions. Let's look at a few of them:
1. The U.S. is a buffer against more violence. This is perhaps the most resilient conjecture that has no basis in fact.
Iraqis themselves do not believe it. In a State Department poll published in September, huge majorities say the U.S. is directly responsible for the violence. The upsurge of bloodshed in Baghdad seems to confirm the Iraqis' view, at least by inference. The much-publicized U.S. effort to bring troops to Baghdad to quell sectarian killing has accompanied a period of increased mortality in the city.
2. The killers do it to influence U.S. politics. This was the mantra of right-wing bloggers and cable blowhards like Bill O'Reilly, who asserted time and again before November 7 that the violence was a "Tet offensive" designed to tarnish Bush and convince Americans to vote for Democrats. This is American solipsism, at which the right wing excels. If anything, the violence has grown since November 7.
English-language sources have more than 1,000 dead since the Bush rejection at the polls. Bill, are the Iraqi fighters now aiming at the Iowa caucuses in '08?
3. Syria and Iran are behind the violence. There is no compelling reason why the two neighbors would foment large-scale violence that could spill over to threaten their regimes. Iran is in the driver's seat -- as everyone not blinded by neo-con fantasies knew in advance -- with its Shia cousins in power; Syria has its own regime stability problems and does not need the large influx of refugees or potential jihadis. That both are happy to make life hard for the U.S. is not a secret (call it their Monroe Doctrine). But are they organizing the extreme and destabilizing violence we've seen this year? Doubtful. And, there's very little evidence to support this piece of blame-someone-else.
4. The "Go Big" strategy of the Pentagon could work. The Pentagon apparently is about to forward three options to Bush for a retreat: "Go Big," meaning more troops for a short time, "Go Long," a gradual withdrawal while training Iraqis, and "Go Home," acknowledging defeat and getting out. Go Big is what McCain and Zinni and others are proposing, as if adding 20,000 or 30,000 troops will do the trick. The argument about more troops, which speaks also to the "incompetence dodge" (i.e., that the war wasn't wrong, just badly managed), has one problem: no one can convincing prove that modest increments in troop strength will change the security situation in Iraq (see #1 above). One would need 300,000 or more troops to have a chance of pacifying Iraq, and that is neither politically feasible or logistically possible, and is therefore a nonstarter. So is "Go Big."
5. Foreign fighters, especially jihadis, are fueling the violence. This was largely discredited but is making a comeback as Washington's search for scapegoats intensifies. By most estimates, including the Pentagon's, foreign fighters make up a small fraction of violent actors in Iraq -- perhaps 10 percent overall. (This is based on identifying people arrested as fighters.) Some of the more spectacular attacks have been carried out by al Qaeda or its imitators, but overall the violence is due to three forces: U.S. military, Iraqi Sunni Arab insurgents, and Shia militia, with minor parts played by Kurdish peshmerga in Kirkuk and the foreign bad boys.
6. If we do not defeat the violent actors there, they will follow us here. This is now the sole remaining justification for U.S. involvement in the war. If the numbers about foreign fighters are correct, then it is plainly wrong. The main anatgonists are Iraqis, and they will remain there to fight it out for many years. That does not mean we have not created many "terrorists" who would do us harm, as U.S. intelligence agencies assert, but killing them in Iraq is not a plausible option. It's too difficult; aggressive counterinsurgency creates more fighters the longer we stay and harder we try; and they might not be there.
7. The violence is about Sunni-Shia mutual loathing; a pox on both their houses. This is the emerging "moral clarity" of the right wing, that we gave it our best, we handed the tools of freedom to Iraqis, and they'd rather kill each other. That there was longstanding antagonism, stemming from decades of Sunni Arab domination and repression, is well known. But the truly horrifying scale of violence we see now took many months to brew, and is built on the violence begun by the U.S. military and the lack of economic stability, political participation, etc., that the occupation wrought. Equally as important, sectarian killing found its political justification in the constitution fashioned by U.S. advisers that essentially split the country into three factions, giving them a very solid set of incentives to go to war with each other.
8. The war is an Iraqi affair, and the best we can do now is train them to enforce security. Despite three years of serious attempts, the U.S. training programs are bogged down by the sectarian violence itself, or by incompetence all round. No one who has looked at this carefully believes that training Iraqis is a near-term solution. It's a useful ruse as an exit strategy, blaming the victims for violence and failure.
9. Trust the same people who caused or endorsed the war to tell us what to do next. We know who they are: Bush, Cheney, McCain, and other cronies; the neo-cons now increasingly on the periphery of power but still bleating (Wolfowitz, Feith, Perle, Adelman, Lieberman), the liberal hawks, and the right-wing media (Krauthamer, Fox News, Glenn Beck, phalangist bloggers, et al). They say, "just finish the job." Just finish the job... at a human cost of how many more dead? How many lives ruined? How much more damage to U.S.-Arab relations? How much anti-Muslim racism fomented to justify the killing?
The distortions about the violence in Iraq persist even as the mayhem increases. Yesterday there was a report about 100 widows a day being created in Iraq. A Times of London report from last summer notes that gravediggers in one Baghdad cemetery are handling 200 bodies daily, compared with 60 before the war. The situation of the displaced is becoming a humanitarian crisis that will soon rival the worst African cases; the middle and upper classes have fled, leaving the poor to cope. So the poor from the U.S. go to beat up the poor in Iraq, or stand by helplessly as the Iraqi poor ravage each other.
That is the harsh reality of violence in Iraq. A half million dead. More than two million displaced. No end in sight.
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[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]Fyi, Israel is America's high tech backdoor. The Israelis are already selling off key US technologies to China and India. Recall the Israeli Lavi jet? Israel is also helping to modernize India's nuclear arsenal which will grow five fold by 2010.
The EU Army may sound remote now but its coming.[/QUOTE]And yet, Israel is getting tons of money from the US annually. Is it supposed to try make more money from being a "secret" lord of the war?
From reading this thread, I just feel like another world war is just around the corner. Wonder if human race can last for long.
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[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]That's why we won't sell them the F22.[/QUOTE]
In case you have not realized it, Israeli intelligence pretty much keeps tabs on everything the US government does. The Israelis have carte blanche to everything in the US. Being a New Yorker its an unspoken truth that Israel runs the USA not the other way around.
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[QUOTE=Astor Bryan]FYI...While the news media have finally started to grapple with the colossal amount of killing, a number of misunderstandings persist. Some are willful deceptions. Let's look at a few of them....
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No end in sight.[/QUOTE]
I absolutely agree with you.
But none of the above says the insurgents are bringing the US military to its knees. It just shows are strategy is flawed or its implementation too late. If there ever was a chance to succeed in Iraq, it was lost years ago.
[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]In case you have not realized it, Israeli intelligence pretty much keeps tabs on everything the US government does. The Israelis have carte blanche to everything in the US. Being a New Yorker its an unspoken truth that Israel runs the USA not the other way around.[/QUOTE]
I didn't realize that... because its not true. Israel does have influence on US policy, but hardly "runs the show".
Being a New Yorker, perhaps you have a skewed view on things, like the Knicks winning a championship.
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[url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6997935.stm[/url]
This is a good case for why an EU Army might become a reality. Kouchner would never even mention the possibility of war with Iran if Europe did not have the capability.
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And all this is on-topic...how??
Gentlemen: this board is about American Women, not politics or anti-Semitic neo-Nazi-ish rants about how "Jews run the US".
For what it's worth: the US government says no to Israel all the time and has expressed disapproval or admonishment of it many times.
Isn't there a politics/rantings/propaganda/opinions board you all can go to?
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God bless piper 1
[QUOTE=Yogin]Gentlemen: this board is about American Women, not politics or anti-Semitic neo-Nazi-ish rants about how "Jews run the US".
For what it's worth: the US government says no to Israel all the time and has expressed disapproval or admonishment of it many times.
Isn't there a politics/rantings/propaganda/opinions board you all can go to?[/QUOTE]Piper 1,
You're NO fool. You're one American that has his eyes wise open.
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Europe Moving into a Superpower Position
Bernard Kouchner's remarks about war against Iran largely preempt that of George W Bush who up until now has been the primary hawk in the Mideast. Bush has been avoiding that question merely saying all options are on the table. Kouchner flat out said that war is a possibility, its a new direction for France. Germany's Merkel has also held a stronger stance against Tehran. Europe is destined to become a force to be reckoned with and will surpass the US in power, the Europeans will be counterbalanced by Russia and China.
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What will eventually bring the US down a notch or two will be the insane military overspending that has been going on for decades now.
The same thing happened to "Great Britain" in the 20th century. In 1901, Britain was the world's number one military and economic power..... with the US a fast-rising, newly-industrialized, 2nd place. What happened? WWI aka The Great War.
The Brits fought this war and won, but at a staggering cost in terms of finances and loss of life. By WWII, they could barely hold off Nazi Germany on their own. Without outside help, they would likely have lost. Less than 5 years later, the Brits lost India.The Suez crisis was the event that drove the fact home for those few who didn't yet realize that the whole idea of being number one was over. WWII ended in 1945, but even if you use the Suez crisis as the official date the whole process of collapse took a little over 50 years.
I see something quite similar going on today. America has been largely hollowed out as an industrial power. The accumulated national debt is approaching 10 trillion dollars. People in general have become soft, lazy and selfish. New Orleans is still a mess, ground zero is still just a big hole in the ground.... and millions of illegals roam freely across the border every year. Is that what you call a superpower?
Personally, I don't see any other single political entity displacing America as the pre-eminent military/economic power..... not anytime soon anyways. I see a future with multiple competing powers. India and China will have their spheres of influence. You might see something like a unified Europe, but to me this is doubtful. The Russians will always be around in one form or another.
Whatever, and why even worry about such things? Better to make a good living and get laid, frequently, by a wide variety of attractive women!
Rock
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Jesus Fucking Christ. What about pussy? Muslim pussy, not very good. Jewish pussy, can be good but not worth the hassle. I fucked a gal tonight, half Peruvian and half Argentinean. It was good. It wasn't great. 50 dollars for three hours and I provided dinner but she did the dishes.
Pussy, not politics. Or just beat off and don't bother posting.
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[QUOTE=Dickhead]Jesus Fucking Christ. What about pussy? Muslim pussy, not very good. Jewish pussy, can be good but not worth the hassle. I fucked a gal tonight, half Peruvian and half Argentinean. It was good. It wasn't great. 50 dollars for three hours and I provided dinner but she did the dishes.
Pussy, not politics. Or just beat off and don't bother posting.[/QUOTE]
We may have the bigger, more powerful army... but Europe and Russia have the better women. I'll give them that... :)
OK, back on topic. Sorry.
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[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]The idea that the dollar is sliding to make US exports more competitive is spurious because the US today produces few exportable goods with exception of aircraft and military equipment.[/QUOTE]
CBGB,
You need to look up the meaning of the word 'spurious'.
That aside, your attempt at trivializing my point actually makes it stronger and more relevant. How important are defense contractors and military equipment manufacturers to the US economy? How many high level contacts do these firs have in our government. You know that the previous CEO of Halliburton, a large and powerful Texas military contractor, was Dick Cheney, our VP??????
These two industries, aricraft and military equiment are HUGE. Increasing their exports will have a significant impact on our economy and an especially favorable on their stock prices of the firms in those industries. In addition, few firms in these industries are on a technological par with US firms. They beat us only on price. When the dollar price declines due to a lower dollar value, then the US jets, tanks, missiles, etc. are made the best buy in the world. And THAT is the entire point!!!!
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[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]In case you have not realized it, Israeli intelligence pretty much keeps tabs on everything the US government does. The Israelis have carte blanche to everything in the US. Being a New Yorker its an unspoken truth that Israel runs the USA not the other way around.[/QUOTE]
[quote=Doctor_Skank] I didn't realize that... because its not true. Israel does have influence on US policy, but hardly "runs the show".[/quote]
When Sharon was the Israeli president, he did have Bush "wrapped around his little finger" as quoted by Zev Brezinski. Israel DID run the whole show in the US for several years. Today, Israel's influence is still very strong but it doesn't 'run' things because Bush is so unpopular and weak.
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[QUOTE=Yogin]Gentlemen: this board is about American Women, not politics or anti-Semitic neo-Nazi-ish rants about how "Jews run the US".[/quote]
Agreed that these last few posts are hardly on-topic.
[QUOTE=Yogin]For what it's worth: the US government says no to Israel all the time and has expressed disapproval or admonishment of it many times.
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And has Israel ever listened???? Responded???? Changed their actions????
Israel is STILL expanding their illegal settlements around Jerusalem in violation of 3 UN resolutions.
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[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]We may have the bigger, more powerful army... but Europe and Russia have the better women. I'll give them that... :).[/QUOTE]
I agree.....:)
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Yes it is true that military equipment is now cheaper, and I knew Cheney was Pres of Halliburton, he is also swapping all his dollars for Euros too. Still the overall effect of the dollar weakening really has no benefit for the economy. The USA is a consumer economy based on a strong middle class, destroy that and you pretty much destroy America. Conventional military equipment is irrelevant. Countries like Russia, China, and even India and France have tactical nuclear weapons and that is enough of a deterrant from attack, a small army with a lot of nukes is better than a large army with none. That being said the falling dollar is going to cripple the US Economy not strengthen it.
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[QUOTE=Dickhead]20 years of 100% happy wedded bliss. Uh huh. Good luck with that. You need to listen to more Meat Loaf and less Donny and Marie.
But see, Rock Dog, it IS a long-term relationship. One I had here this week, I have been seeing her around once a week for three and a half years. It is not just sex. We cook together, play cards and chess, shoot pool, go to plays, and concerts, and take trips together. She fucks me EVERY time, and I give her money EVERY time except for when I tell her I don't have any and she says she wants to come over anyway (maybe one time in ten).
The one I had last night I have been seeing for three years this month. She is (sort of) married, not legally married, but for that reason we don't go out in public much. We watch horror flicks and she cuts my hair, shaves my beard, shaves my neck, trims my eyebrows; she is a professional barber with her own barber shop. She fucks me EVERY time, and I give her money MOST times (maybe three times out of four) and 1 or 2 meals every time.
Another gal I have known for three and a half years opened up her own *****house. I don't see her as often any more but whenever she gets a new gal she has me come test her out and I only pay the 40% that the girl gets. My friend waives her cut due to past favors I have done, and for giving her business advice.
Then I fuck two or three new gals a week and maybe one other repeat. This all costs about $350 a week US including food and beverages.[/QUOTE]
So that's 5-6 girls a week with 2-3 "regulars"@$350US a week....
$1400 a month....
If we split typical US middle class living (mid range) down the middle, it would come to around that number. Only difference being your banging the same woman, but if you married a closet ho, that wouldn't be so bad would it? You also said you did some things with girl #1 that most men don't do with their wives anyway.
How many American women complain that once men have gotten what they want, they put no effort in? You could say the same about women letting themselves go as well.
I know women that would DIE to have their men cook with them, do the dishes, go out on a regular basis and travel. How often does THAT happen?
What you need to find is a fair exchange, in your case you have found your fair exchange. You are alone when you want and have company when you want at rates FAR LOWER than serial dating in the States.
So its not so much Donny and Marie and yes I remember that show "Goodnight Everybody...." I don't do Meatloaf, I pop in Tony Yayo
[center]I don't, love, hoes - I'm sharin them
I ain't lovin them, or handcuffin them - cause baby I'm pimpin
You, love, hoes - you chasin them
You be lacin them, while I'm replacin them - cause baby I'm pimpin....[/center]
The local Hungarian girl didn't cost me much but I couldn't get it to go for more than a few weeks which was disappointing. If I knew a way to find more EE or Western European FOB girls easier then I would do it.
Until I can figure out how to make money as an expat, I have to resigned to traveling internationally for pleasure and spending evenings exchanging SMS with chicks overseas...
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"your banging the same woman, but if you married a closet ho, that wouldn't be so bad would it?"
Boring.
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Usd:rip
Well everyone, take note. Today is the day the US dollar officially passed away. The Fed cut it's main interest rate by 50 basis points to 4.75%, and now the USD is almost equal to the Canadian dollar in value. Remember when us Americans used to make fun of the Canadian dollar? Now we could do an even swap and it would be about the same value. And the Brasilian Real is now at 1.86 to the dollar as I type this, which means no more bunda for Ezinho, at least not in the near future.
Anyways, before you all yell at me for posting about non-AW related news, this actually does have something to do with AW. The dead dollar means more of us will either be staying at home for pussy, or if you're one of the lucky few as I am and live driving distance to Mexico, will be making more trips to Mexican-border towns for Latina pussy. I actually browsed Craigslist today and was tempted to call one of the girls on there, as they were advertising an $80 "quickie", but decided to make a run to Tijuana this weekend instead.
Is the dead dollar affecting anyone else on here? I have to admit, some of the girls that post on CL look decent, but I'm still somewhat skeptical.
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[QUOTE=Ezinho]Is the dead dollar affecting anyone else on here? I have to admit, some of the girls that post on CL look decent, but I'm still somewhat skeptical.[/QUOTE]
It is affecting me. I decided against a trip to Colombia so I could use my whole travel budget for Brazil. I lost my AA Advantage Gold because I didn't travel enough. I will lose my TAM Gold membership next year for the same reason.
I do not plan on getting any local pussy. It just isn't worth it no matter how low the US dollar falls. I am accelerating plans for earning money outside the US.
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[QUOTE=Ezinho]Well everyone, take note. Today is the day the US dollar officially passed away... The dead dollar means more of us will either be staying at home for pussy...Is the dead dollar affecting anyone else on here? [/QUOTE]I expect that eventually Chinese businessmen will be coming to America in hordes to get cheap blow jobs from our granddaughters.
DB
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[QUOTE=Ezinho]Well everyone, take note. Today is the day the US dollar officially passed away. The Fed cut it's main interest rate by 50 basis points to 4.75%, and now the USD is almost equal to the Canadian dollar in value. Remember when us Americans used to make fun of the Canadian dollar? Now we could do an even swap and it would be about the same value. And the Brasilian Real is now at 1.86 to the dollar as I type this, which means no more bunda for Ezinho, at least not in the near future.
Anyways, before you all yell at me for posting about non-AW related news, this actually does have something to do with AW. The dead dollar means more of us will either be staying at home for pussy, or if you're one of the lucky few as I am and live driving distance to Mexico, will be making more trips to Mexican-border towns for Latina pussy. I actually browsed Craigslist today and was tempted to call one of the girls on there, as they were advertising an $80 "quickie", but decided to make a run to Tijuana this weekend instead.
Is the dead dollar affecting anyone else on here? I have to admit, some of the girls that post on CL look decent, but I'm still somewhat skeptical.[/QUOTE]
I think you are spot on. That 50 bp cut by the Fed seems like a nail in the coffin for the USD. I also think it is very relevant to this thread. Those that live in the U.S. and currently are fustrated with American women and rely on a cheap mongering chip to fulfill their sexual urges need to be on top of this trend. If you only earn USD and hold USD assets you are running a big risk. The risk is you stay fustrated with American women, but your current sexual release of your cheap mongering holidays are now no longer available due to a declining USD making your holiday release too expensive. So it is certainly relevant, but I could understand if some thought these sort of finance discusions be moved to a separate thread?
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[QUOTE=Dodger Bulldog]I expect that eventually Chinese businessmen will be coming to America in hordes to get cheap blow jobs from our granddaughters.
DB[/QUOTE]Not sure if the Chinese will demand BJ in English then or the future American pussies will have to learn to offer it in Mandarin.
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[QUOTE=Ozzie Trader]I think you are spot on. That 50 bp cut by the Fed seems like a nail in the coffin for the USD. I also think it is very relevant to this thread. Those that live in the U.S. and currently are fustrated with American women and rely on a cheap mongering chip to fulfill their sexual urges need to be on top of this trend. If you only earn USD and hold USD assets you are running a big risk. The risk is you stay fustrated with American women, but your current sexual release of your cheap mongering holidays are now no longer available due to a declining USD making your holiday release too expensive. So it is certainly relevant, but I could understand if some thought these sort of finance discusions be moved to a separate thread?[/QUOTE]The USD is weaker means that mongering in the US is getting cheaper relatively. One thing I am not sure is if the quality will get worse (it is already bad, isn't it?)
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[QUOTE=Ozzie Trader]So it is certainly relevant, but I could understand if some thought these sort of finance discusions be moved to a separate thread?[/QUOTE]
Well, nobodys flaming anybody. There isn't even much of an argument and the discussion is quite interesting. I for one, am enjoying it..... so is there really a need to move this discussion elsewhere?
Ezinho,
Just so you know, here in Canada.... the rapid rise of our dollar compared to the US$ is looked on with a great deal of dismay by many. Why? Because it's putting a great strain on many of the businesses here that depend on exports to the States. Our dollar used to be even back in 1976. Then it slid for about the next 25 years going up and down from 90 down to 58 cents US$. Now it's back up again. A mixed bag of effects for all.
Rock
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[QUOTE=Rock Dog]Ezinho,
Just so you know, here in Canada.... the rapid rise of our dollar compared to the US$ is looked on with a great deal of dismay by many. Why? Because it's putting a great strain on many of the businesses here that depend on exports to the States. Our dollar used to be even back in 1976. Then it slid for about the next 25 years going up and down from 90 down to 58 cents US$. Now it's back up again. A mixed bag of effects for all.
Rock[/QUOTE]
I imagine that the tourism industry might be disappointed. I knew Americans who regularly went to Canada to hunt, fish, hike, camp, ski, and even monger. I suspect that those types of places and the export industry are hurting. (If I remember correctly, the US is by far Canada's largest importer. A sustained strong loonie can do serious damage to Canada's economy.)
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some of my marginally informed thinking
I think when you folks are talking about the dollar falling you are framing it against the US Dollar Lehman Index, or something like it, which is a basket of currencies - the main two being the Euro and the Yen. The dollar has dropped about 5 percent against those currencies in the past year.
As I mentioned a few months ago here, there are ways of protecting your vacation money against a declining a dollar. For instance, if you had bet against the dollar a year ago with a mutual fund like, say, Rydex Weakening Dollar 2x you would have made a little over 5 percent on your money (after paying the load).
Truth is, you would have been better off putting the vacation money an ING or EmigrantDirect savings account where the yield would be about the same and you would not expose yourself to anywhere near the same level of risk.
Thing is, anyway, I'm not planning on visiting those countries with currencies that are regularly used as benchmarks against the dollar (Germany, France, UK, Italy, Japan) it does not matter much to me that the dollar has dropped against them. Why the heck would you go to those places?
What matters to me is how the dollar is doing against the countries on my short list of vacation destinations.
For instance, if I were planning a vacation to Thailand or Brazil, well, the dollar has taken a dive compared to the real and the baht. It's lost around 10 percent of it's value against those currencies in the past year. That might play a factor in planning. Of course there are a number of other costs and benefits to weigh before reaching a final decision.
The dollar has lost about 5 percent against the Colombian peso in the past year. This is in balance with the five percent gain if you've been saving vacation money in a bet against the dollar (not considering inflation). This works out okay, since Colombia is a fine destination.
Of course, the Dominican Republic is better. The US dollar has been basically unchanged against the Dominican Peso over the course of the past year.
More interestingly, the dollar has increased in value against the Argentine peso by about 2 percent over the past year and it's increased by over 4 percent against the Indonesian rupiah.
And there's always Zimbabwe if you want your dollar to go a long way and don't weight other factors and costs at all.
For perspective, in most parts of the US, you pay sales tax of around 6 percent, but that probably does not keep you from buying the things you want. As a voter, you have a lot more control over state sales taxation than you do over national currency valuation. My guess is you will pay a lot more in sales tax over the next year than whatever extra you might pay in Brazil if you go on a vacation there shortly.
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[QUOTE=Jelly Donut]For instance, if I were planning a vacation to Thailand or Brazil, well, the dollar has taken a dive compared to the real and the baht. It's lost around 10 percent of it's value against those currencies in the past year. That might play a factor in planning.[/QUOTE]When I booked my trip to Rio last November the real was at 2.14 to the dollar. Here is the documentation from Bloomberg:
[url]http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601083&sid=adbRUPjjqM7w&refer=currency[/url]
When I arrived on June 1, it was 1.90 to the dollar. The dollar had lost 12.6% in only seven months. Annualized that would be a loss in value of 21.6%, a hell of a lot more than 10% in a year.
And that was after the real had already risen 32% against the dollar the previous year.
Believe me, I felt the pain!
DB
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Well, yeah, since currencies move around it might have been 12.6 seven months back and 11 percent over the year (per Wall Street Journal market data; I rounded down from 11 for Brazil and up from 9 for the baht). If you go back five years the dollar has tumbled massively, if you go back six it is basically unchanged. You can pick whatever date you want in order to make the data blend with your argument.
[QUOTE=Dodger Bulldog]When I booked my trip to Rio last November the real was at 2.14 to the dollar. Here is the documentation from Bloomberg:
[url]http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601083&sid=adbRUPjjqM7w&refer=currency[/url]
When I arrived on June 1, it was 1.90 to the dollar. The dollar had lost 12.6% in only seven months. Annualized that would be a loss in value of 21.6%, a hell of a lot more than 10% in a year.
And that was after the real had already risen 32% against the dollar the previous year.
Believe me, I felt the pain!
DB[/QUOTE]
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JD the USD is currently down almost 20% against Colombia's peso this year. At it's low point it was over 35%, and it may well be headed there again before the end of the year.
In the past 4 years the USD has gone down from 4:1 to vs the real to 1.85. That's like a 55% or so loss!
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Not Just Some Theoretical Argument
[QUOTE=Jelly Donut]You can pick whatever date you want in order to make the data blend with your argument.[/QUOTE]Well, I didn't do that.
I picked the week I bought my plane ticket to the day I arrived. So this was my reality.
No 5% money market account was going to come close to making up the difference that the dollar lost.
Of course, I realize that rate fluctuation is a risk you take when you travel outside the country. But that still doesn't make the crashing dollar any more pleasing.
DB
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[url]http://lifestyle.msn.com/relationships/couplesandmarriage/articlelhj.aspx?cp-documentid=5442320>1=10416[/url]
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[QUOTE=Chocha Monger][url]http://lifestyle.msn.com/relationships/couplesandmarriage/articlelhj.aspx?cp-documentid=5442320>1=10416[/url][/QUOTE]
Even though I only read the first page, that story makes me think about that academic research that is looking for a link between female obesity and lesbianism. LOL!
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Hmm. Well, it's hard to hit a moving target. A year ago the COP was a little over 2400 and this month it has ranged between 2200 and 2000, more or less. Yesterday it dropped a lot (after I posted) so it's closer to twenty percent.
Anyway, I don't think any of this moves away me away from the things I posted on. It may make more sense to keep vacation money in place where it's value goes up, while the value of the dollar goes down (although I do think you need to pay attention to the load on designer mutual funds) and also be aware that currencies move around a lot. For people who don't want to play with vacation money, it's not a sure bet that the dollar will continue to decline. A FDIC insured savings account making 5 percent is basically a no risk thing.
And, more significantly, there are some very important mongering destinations which have not yet revalued against the dollar. If you are only interested in the exchange rate, some countries have not moved much against the dollar in the past year at all.
[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]JD the USD is currently down almost 20% against Colombia's peso this year. At it's low point it was over 35%, and it may well be headed there again before the end of the year.
In the past 4 years the USD has gone down from 4:1 to vs the real to 1.85. That's like a 55% or so loss![/QUOTE]
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I wonder how the effect of the declining economic status of the USA will have on the behavior of AWs, will they be different during more leaner times? Part of the reason for their behavior, actually most of it has to do with money and opportunity. American women up until now have been financially much better off and had many avenues for economic gain compared to women overseas. A lot of women in other countries are nice mainly because they depend on a man for survival, it is not so with AWs, at least not now but in the future things are going to change.
JD, Germany??? Did you check out the FKK section on this website??!! Its huge, and still a good deal even with the lousy Euro to US Dollar exchange rate.
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[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]
JD, Germany??? Did you check out the FKK section on this website??!! Its huge, and still a good deal even with the lousy Euro to US Dollar exchange rate.[/QUOTE]
I'll check it out, but would you really put Germany in the short list of the best places to spend a precious short vacation? The simple fact that it is developed country means to me that everything costs more, regardless of the exchange rate. I've run into a fair share of Germans in South America and the Dominican Republic who seem to be pretty happy there. But, I'll check it out - honestly I've not read that section much before....
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[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]I wonder how the effect of the declining economic status of the USA will have on the behavior of AWs, will they be different during more leaner times? Part of the reason for their behavior, actually most of it has to do with money and opportunity. American women up until now have been financially much better off and had many avenues for economic gain compared to women overseas. A lot of women in other countries are nice mainly because they depend on a man for survival, it is not so with AWs, at least not now but in the future things are going to change.
JD, Germany??? Did you check out the FKK section on this website??!! Its huge, and still a good deal even with the lousy Euro to US Dollar exchange rate.[/QUOTE]
Recently gave directions to two very attractive young German blonde chicks that could not have been any genuinely nicer. They could not find their hotel which was a block away. It was very startling talking to them, because in NYC I am convinced women are cloned in a lab like robots somewhere and sent down the factory line to be shipped here.
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Well it is probably a good idea to do it quick because the US Dollar is soon only going to buy a measly .40 Euro cents, as I said the continual depreciation of the US Dollar is really going to mess up the US economy, because the US depends upon consumption to fuel growth not the export of goods. Whoever said the US Dollar was purposely devalued to make US Exports more competitive is full of it, the trade deficit continues to grow. Oddly enough the Canadian and Australian dollar, though they buy less than the US Dollar will remain steady against the Euro.
Peter Schiff, who is Mr Gloom and Doom for the Greenback, seems to be the most realistic voice on the US Dollar and he has remarked that a major shift in wealth is moving overseas from the US to other countries, particularly Europe and Asia.
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I say the same thing, the falling dollar is supposed to help our exports? WHAT EXPORTS? We outsourced 95% of everything already! :P
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[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]Whoever said the US Dollar was purposely devalued to make US Exports more competitive is full of it, the trade deficit continues to grow. [/QUOTE]
That was me! LOL!
Yes, the trade deficit is still large. But you haven't been reading the financial pages. The value of imports is still rising due to our huge dependence on imported oil and oil's high price. However, US manufacturers reported HUGE increases in exports in August, lead by aircraft, autos, and auto parts. The US also exports a great deal of specialty chemicals.
Those exports should increase further in September and October as the recent cut in interests rates have sent the dollar down even more. (It sure is a damn stupid time for the UAW to call a strike!)
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[QUOTE=George90]That was me! LOL!
Yes, the trade deficit is still large. But you haven't been reading the financial pages. The value of imports is still rising due to our huge dependence on imported oil and oil's high price. However, US manufacturers reported HUGE increases in exports in August, lead by aircraft, autos, and auto parts. The US also exports a great deal of specialty chemicals.
Those exports should increase further in September and October as the recent cut in interests rates have sent the dollar down even more. (It sure is a damn stupid time for the UAW to call a strike!)[/QUOTE]
What manufacturing?? Most U.S manufacturing jobs have been outsourced
to other countries. We are headed for a very severe economic collapse the likes we have never seen before.
Some sobering news from one of the worlds leading experts on credit -derivatives.
Are we headed for an epic bear market?
The credit bubble is just starting to unwind, a credit-derivative insider says. And while U.S. borrowers are being blamed for the mess, they were really just pawns in a global game.
Satyajit Das is laughing. It appears I have said something very funny, but I have no idea what it was. My only clue is that the laugh sounds somewhat pitying.
One of the world's leading experts on credit derivatives, Das is the author of a 4,200-page reference work on the subject, among a half-dozen other tomes. As a developer and marketer of the exotic instruments himself over the past 30 years. He seemed like the ideal industry insider to help us get to the bottom of the recent debt crunch -- and I expected him to defend and explain the practice.
I started by asking the Calcutta-born Australian whether the credit crisis was in what Americans would call the "third inning." This was pretty amusing, it seemed, judging from the laughter. So I tried again. "Second inning?" More laughter. "First?"
Still too optimistic. Das, who knows as much about global money flows as anyone in the world, stopped chuckling long enough to suggest that we're actually still in the middle of the national anthem before a game destined to go into extra innings. And it won't end well for the global economy.
Like an ex-mobster turning state's witness, Das has turned his back on his old pals in the derivatives biz to warn anyone who will listen -- mostly banks and hedge funds that pay him consulting fees -- that the jig is up.
Rather than joining the crowd that blames the mess on American slobs who took on more mortgage debt than they could afford and have endangered the world by stiffing lenders, he points a finger at three parties: regulators who stood by as U.S. banks developed ingenious but dangerous ways of shifting trillions of dollars of credit risk off their balance sheets and into the hands of unsophisticated foreign investors; hedge and pension fund managers who gorged on high-yield debt instruments they didn't understand; and financial engineers who built towers of "securitized" debt with math models that were fundamentally flawed.
"Defaulting middle-class U.S. homeowners are blamed, but they are merely a pawn in the game," he says. "Those loans were invented so that hedge funds would have high-yield debt to buy."
The liquidity factory
Das' view sounds cynical, but it makes sense if you stop thinking about mortgages as a way for people to finance houses and think about them instead as a way for lenders to generate cash flow and create collateral during an era of a flat interest-rate curve.Although subprime U.S. loans seem like small change in the context of the multitrillion-dollar debt market, it turns out these high-yield instruments were an important part of the machine that Das calls the global "liquidity factory." Just like a small amount of gasoline can power an entire truck given the right combination of spark plugs, pistons and transmission, subprime loans became the fuel that underlays derivative securities many, many times their size.
How it worked
Here's how it worked: In olden days, like 10 years ago, banks wrote and funded their own loans. In the new game, Das points out, banks "originate" loans, "warehouse" them on their balance sheet for a brief time, then "distribute" them to investors by packaging them into derivatives called collateralized debt obligations, or CDOs, and similar instruments. In this scheme, banks don't need to tie up as much capital, so they can put more money out on loan.
The more loans that were sold, the more they could use as collateral for more loans, so credit standards were lowered to get more paper out the door -- a task that was accelerated in recent years via fly-by-night brokers now accused of predatory lending practices.
Buyers of these credit risks in CDO form were insurance companies, pension funds and hedge-fund managers from Bonn to Beijing. Because money was readily available at low interest rates in Japan and the United States, these managers leveraged up their bets by buying the CDOs with borrowed funds.
So if you follow the bouncing ball, borrowed money bought borrowed money. And then because they had the blessing of credit-ratings agencies relying on mathematical models suggesting that they would rarely default, these CDOs were in turn used as collateral to do more borrowing.
In this way, Das points out, credit risk moved from banks, where it was regulated and observable, to places where it was less regulated and difficult to identify.
Turning $1 into $20
The liquidity factory was self-perpetuating and seemingly unstoppable. As assets bought with borrowed money rose in value, players could borrow more money against them, and it thus seemed logical to borrow even more to increase returns. Bankers figured out how to strip money out of existing assets to do so, much as a homeowner might strip equity from his house to buy another house.
These triple-borrowed assets were then in turn increasingly used as collateral for commercial paper -- the short-term borrowings of banks and corporations -- which was purchased by supposedly low-risk money market funds.
According to Das' figures, up to 53% of the $2.2 trillion commercial paper in the U.S. market is now asset-backed, with about 50% of that in mortgages.
When you add it all up, according to Das' research, a single dollar of "real" capital supports $20 to $30 of loans. This spiral of borrowing on an increasingly thin base of real assets, writ large and in nearly infinite variety, ultimately created a world in which derivatives outstanding earlier this year stood at $485 trillion -- or eight times total global gross domestic product of $60 trillion.
Without a central governmental authority keeping tabs on these cross-border flows and ensuring a standard of record-keeping and quality, investors increasingly didn't know what they were buying or what any given security was really worth.
A painful unwinding
Now here is where the U.S. mortgage holder shows up again. As subprime loan default rates doubled, in contravention of what the models forecast, the CDOs those mortgages backed began to collapse. Because they were so hard to value, banks and funds started looking at all CDOs and other paper backed by mortgages with suspicion, and refused to accept them as collateral for the sort of short-term borrowing that underpins today's money markets.
Through late last month, according to Das, as much as $300 billion in leveraged finance loans had been "orphaned," which means that they can't be sold off or used as collateral.
One of the wonders of leverage is that it amplifies losses on the way down just as it amplifies gains on the way up. The more an asset that is bought with borrowed money falls in value, the more you have to sell other stuff to fulfill the loan-to-value covenants. It's a vicious cycle. In this context, banks' objective was to prevent customers from selling their derivates at a discount because they would then have to mark down the value of all the other assets in the debt chain, an event that would lead to the need to make margin calls on customers already thin on cash.
Correction may be an overstatement
Now it may seem hard to believe, but much of the past few years' advance in the stock market was underwritten by CDO-type instruments which go under the heading of "structured finance." I'm talking about private-equity takeovers, leveraged buyouts and corporate stock buybacks -- the works.
So to the extent that the structured finance market is coming undone, not only will those pillars of strength for equities be knocked away, but many recent deals that were predicated on the easy availability of money will likely also go bust, Das says.
That is why he considers the current market volatility much more profound than a simple "correction" in prices. He sees it as a gigantic liquidity bubble unwinding -- a process that can take a long, long time.
While you might think that the U.S. Federal Reserve can help prevent disaster by lowering interest rates dramatically, as they did Wednesday, the evidence is not at all clear.
The problem, after all, is not the amount of money in the system but the fact that buyers are in the process of rejecting the entire new risk-transfer model and its associated leverage and counterparty risks.
Lower rates will not help that. "At best," Das says, "they help smooth the transition."
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Here is an idea. Why don't you guys STFU up about foreign currency and get back the topic?
I will start. I have an American friend who comes to where I live quite often and he likes to use Craig's List. Some American woman posted she wanted to meet American men down here, to take her to dinner at nice restaurants.
So my friend writes to her and says, "Honey, why would an American man want to meet an American woman down here, and buy her a steak dinner, when the local women will fuck you bareback for the price of a steak dinner?"
Now THAT was funny.
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I am only talking about the money, because we need Vitamin M in order to go overseas for those putas and chicas. With the dollar going down the crapper, its going to become more difficult to leave the sex prison.
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[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]Yes it is true that military equipment is now cheaper, and I knew Cheney was Pres of Halliburton, he is also swapping all his dollars for Euros too. Still the overall effect of the dollar weakening really has no benefit for the economy.[/QUOTE]
Saudi Arabia is allegedly [url=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2007/09/19/bcnsaudi119.xml]"preparing to break the dollar currency peg"[/url] and instead peg the riyal to euro. Further, considering analysts are calculating with yet a 30% slide in USD exchange rate, needless to say, these are bad news to the US dollar. Foreign investments in the USA get less profitable, as USD falls. Additionally, the Chinese probably aren't too happy about watching their pile of dollars evaporate. Expect Chinese pressure on Americans on this issue.
Recent interest cut is a desperate short term measure to save mortage bankers. It won't help US economy as whole. There is much more that has to be fixed. As of today, dollar set a new record low vs. euro - 1,413
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[QUOTE=Dickhead]Here is an idea. Why don't you guys STFU up about foreign currency and get back the topic?
I will start. I have an American friend who comes to where I live quite often and he likes to use Craig's List. Some American woman posted she wanted to meet American men down here, to take her to dinner at nice restaurants.
So my friend writes to her and says, "Honey, why would an American man want to meet an American woman down here, and buy her a steak dinner, when the local women will fuck you bareback for the price of a steak dinner?"
Now THAT was funny.[/QUOTE]
Hey DH it's important because as the U.S dollar continues to erode in value the only thing American hobbyists will be able to afford is a do it yourself HJ.
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Yawn. Start a new thread or go ***** about it on Yahoo Finance or some such. Europeans will have a greater ability to fuck American women so you guys won't have to buy them expensive dinners in order to not get laid, so you can travel on the money you save not buying them dinners.
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That's funny. I didn't think Europeans needed any help screwing American girls....
[url]http://www.theonion.com/content/node/34198[/url]
[QUOTE=Dickhead]Yawn. Start a new thread or go ***** about it on Yahoo Finance or some such. Europeans will have a greater ability to fuck American women so you guys won't have to buy them expensive dinners in order to not get laid, so you can travel on the money you save not buying them dinners.[/QUOTE]
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The Onion is satire. Nothing else. Many fine Eastern European women in the former Soviet bloc states that will make you forget about American women. The Italian artist thing is a cliche. I actually thought the dollar was going to go down the crapper years ago, now my predictions are coming true. A couple of German girls I talked to said they like American guys a lot more, in fact, the vast majority of European girls I met gave a very different impression of their mating prospects, a Ukrainian girl I met openly said most men in her country were drunken wife beaters who sat around at home unemployed.
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"a Ukrainian girl I met openly said most men in her country were drunken wife beaters who sat around at home unemployed."
They say that here too, openly. I would say that American women would never put up with that shit but then there is my brother-in-law who has not worked in years, although he is not a wife beater and drinks moderately. There is also my ex-friend the "musician" who is a terrible musician who has never made any money at it. He hasn't worked in about ten years. He doesn't beat her but he is a stoner. Boy is his girlfriend a fat, ugly pig. But she is a doctor who is almost finished with law school. Why she puts up with his loser ass is beyond me. I finally told him I could not be friends with a man who was content to permanently let a woman bust her ass to support him. He had a hard time understanding that.
Wife/GF beating is very common here, perhaps the number two national sport after soccer. My friend's sister's husband recently beat her because she refused to do anal.
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Interestingly some of these women seek out guys from their own countries after getting some American guy to sponsor their visa. I have very little confidence in what women say, I prefer to observe what they do regardless of which country they live in.
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I think the whole "Rich American" abroad thing is becoming something of the past. Flying to the states there was this guy who was complaining to the cabin crew to give him a better seat because he was American, it didn't fly with the crew. I also noticed the approach doesn't work so well particularly because of the fact that the dollar is in a freefall. Someone mentioned our granddaughters might be giving blows to Asians for cheapies, I think it might happen a lot sooner than that given the way things are going.
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[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur] Someone mentioned our granddaughters might be giving blows to Asians for cheapies, I think it might happen a lot sooner than that given the way things are going.[/QUOTE]
Why does it matter to anyone who's getting blow jobs and who's giving them in a couple of generations? I'm sure French girls have sucked a fair bit of foriegn cock since everything went south in 1812.
It doesn't change the fact that Paris is a great city or that, frankly, if the French decided to avenge themselves for all those blowjobs they have enough nukes to make everyone feel the pain.
At any rate, I'd say the average income of the American male sex tourist is slightly over $100,000 per year. This number comes from brushing through statistics at the U.S. Department of Commerce, Office of Travel & Tourism Industries.
The dollar would have to do a serious devaluation and a triple lux in order to start seeing an influx of Chinese sex tourists to the USA. The average income in Asia still has a long way to go before significant numbers of Chinese start showing up in Brazil, looking to get laid, let alone the United States.
Beyond that, the Chinese government has been a complete pain in the butt for the past few years, refusing to revalue the yuan in spite of repeated efforts to get them to do so. They did this simply so they could keep their little machine exporting inexpensive goods to the United States.
So, if they want to dump dollars now, more power to them. I don't think they can afford it - it's sort of a variation on the quote by J. Paul Getty "If you owe the bank $100 that's your problem. If you owe the bank $100 million, that's the bank's problem."
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Fuck the Chinese.
They're losing money on their US investments? Good, what goes around comes around!
Most of the stuff they make is crap.... and that's the stuff that's good enough to export. They should let their currency find it's own level instead of keeping it artificially low. And they definitely shouldn't complain when someone else lowers their own currency in response.
What's more, their country looks to be headed for some problems of it's own, according to Stratfor.
Just to be fair though, some chinese food is pretty good.... and some chinese women are REALLY good!
Rock
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SHUT THE FUCK UP about financial and political bullshit and start talking about PUSSY, you fucking cretins.
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American History? That's The Short Course
[QUOTE=Jelly Donut]That's funny. I didn't think Europeans needed any help screwing American girls....
[url]http://www.theonion.com/content/node/34198[/url][/QUOTE]
Didn't you hear about the Frenchman who fell asleep the minute his feet hit the pillow?
Polvo
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Things are now headed uphill for the Europeans, the Euro is going to hit newer highs against the Dollar and the Chinese are going to be partly behind it. Even the big man Alan Greenspan is now touting that the Euro will become the new world currency. Peter Schiff says a major devaluation is going to continue with regards to the dollar and its position as a reserve currency is going to end.
Most of the hookers in Paris these days come from the Eastern bloc.
Sorry you can't fuck the Chinese, US liquidity depends upon them and the oil producing nations, that is why people can fund nearly endless debt in the US. There are so many people I know in the States who practically live off of credit cards, and this is unique to Americans because of the fact that the US can fund nearly endless debt, but this party is coming to an end if the Chinese start switching to the Euro, some oil producers already have plans to do this.
Money makes the whole world go round, and it buys the pussy. Did you really think those foreign girls liked us for our personalities?
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Crystal Mangum & Mike Nifong ~ The Twins Tips of the American Social Iceburg.
[url]http://www.weeklystandard.com/Utilities/printer_preview.asp?idArticle=14104&R=115082C92[/url]
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"admitted before the meeting that she had taken ambien, methadone, paxil and amitriptyline."
that combination ought to mess you up pretty good. i don't know what amitriptyline is but given the other three i don't think it matters too much. the phrase "nappy headed ho" comes to mind.
[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] is a touchy subject. you have a four-way matrix, to my way of thinking:
1) [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord124][CodeWord124][/url] that occur and are reported. these are heinous.
2) [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord124][CodeWord124][/url] that occur and are not reported. these are heinous.
3) [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord124][CodeWord124][/url] that don't occur and are reported. these are heinous.
4) [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord124][CodeWord124][/url] that don't occur and are not reported. these are most guys' sex lives in the us.
so this nifong did one day in jail and this ho is still wandering around out there, trolling for victims. the ho is a waste of skin and this nifong should be doing a nickel upstate. he'd be somebody's ***** pretty quick, i am thinking.
always remember: you can't [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] the willing. so monger as necessary, and do not force anyone to do anything they don't want to do. i would not be posting this except the system is down so i can't do any work, the local brothel has only fuglies at this hour, and my preferred destination will not open for another hour and a half. therefore i am forced, forced i tell you, to drink beer at 8:30 am. but no one has to coerce me to do so.
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The Breeze Shifts, Duke President Now Sways The Other Way
[url]http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/AP-Duke-Lacrosse.html?_r=1&oref=slogin[/url]
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in the us, simply being accused of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] is good enough to ruin your entire life. even if those duke students are let off, their names will forever be tarnished. interesting how in these cases, the identities of the suspects are made public but never the victim. as a whole the us and most other english speaking nations are anti male, and a result you are seeing the moral and social breakdown of these societies. even in cases against parents, the court will throw the book at an accused father but in many cases the mothers walk free, and there are some horrible cases of mothers abusing their children.
it is extremely risky business to mess around with an american woman, one call to the cops, and her words can land you in chino or fulsom state.
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for better or worse, there are certainly a lot more things that pass for [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] in the united states today than, say, 30 years ago.
things have apparently shifted culturally, too, since the 1960s. ignoring race, i'm pretty sure 50 years ago no court would have even heard the cases against kobe bryant or william kennedy smith - both situations where they met a woman in a bar for the first time and within minutes they were either alone with them in a hotel room or on the beach at night. it used to be this sort of behavior was just considered dumb for a non-working girl; people would assume the girl who engaged in it was working.
things are processed differently these days. personally, i would like to think a girl should be able to go for a walk on a beach with the stranger at night and expect to be safe. most people feel that way. but the real practical upshot of the legal and cultural changes of the past few years is that you get more girls like crystal mangum who turn a dispute over payment into a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] case. it's not much safer for women to be alone with guys they don't know (if anything, technology has had a much bigger impact in terms of making things safer than legal and cultural shifts - cameras everywhere, cell phones, dna evidence, etc.).
nearly all the most well-known [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] cases in the united states in recent history seem to confirm what feminists label the "myth" the that women falsify charges or that law enforcement falsifies evidence - kobe bryant, william kennedy smith, central park jogger case, tawana brawley and this duke case. the only well-known conviction that held i can think of is the mike tyson/desiree washington thing.
juries still end up at the same point they would have 50 years ago. realistically, it's just stupid to assume a woman who puts herself alone with a stranger is going into it blind. if it comes down to "he said, she said" in a courtroom, most guys, and many women, are going to wonder what the girl was thinking going up to the strangers hotel room. she might have ultimately said "no", but all the evidence implies "yes". we're supposed to throw a guy in jail for years for this?
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the major difficulty with statutes concerning [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] is that they treat every incident as an equal offense in the eyes of the law. consider two different sitations, both of which would result in the exact same penalty if convicted:
1. a man invites a woman for dinner. after dining, drinks, and a long makeout session, they retire to the bedroom, get undressed and engage in foreplay. upon the man nearing entry, the woman states "no, not tonight." in the absence of any physical resistance offered by the woman, the man proceeds to enter her.
2. a man breaks into a car, hides in the back seat, and then forces a woman to drive to the woods, where he proceeds to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] her.
these are hardly identical crimes, but they have identical consequences under the law. and the first scenario is much more common than the second one.
compare that to our laws concerning murder. there is murder in the first degree, second degree, and manslaughter, both voluntary and involuntary. thus, society recognizes four separate and distinct levels of culpability, as determined by the circumstances and intent.
however, under [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] law the offense is "all or none."
if my fellow feminists wished to straighten out the law to follow common sense and in turn achieve more convictions, they would work to define the different levels of the offense.
however, they will never do this, as it would undermine their theories that "no always means no," and that [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] is always about power, and never about sex.
i think we all instinctively know that sometimes no means no, and sometimes it means the woman wants some more persuasion and foreplay first.
when i was married, my wife would often start with "no," but after i had sweet talked her and told her how much i loved her and needed her that night, she would often change her mind and we would proceed to have great sex.
my guess is that almost every man has had the experience of watching a woman's answer change from no to yes. alternately, he has also experienced a woman's answer change from yes to no.
it often depends on how smoothly things moved along (or didn't). and that is always going to make it extremely difficult for a jury consisting of people who have lived in the real world and who have an understanding of the nuances involved in relationships between the sexes.
if they have a conscience, these jurors are not likely to convict a man of so-called "date-[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]" and lock him up just the same as if he had broken into the back seat of a car and laid in wait for an unsuspecting victim to arrive.
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the media was going to turn kobe bryant into the new michael jordan, but that case completely ruined his image, he lost all of his sponsorship contracts, he still has a professional basketball career but his image was nothing like it was before the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] case, maybe that's why shaq moved to miami? in general there is major male bashing going on, particularly against pro sports stars, look at michael vick. david beckham is an exception because he seems to coo the fems.
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[quote=cbgbconnisur]the media was going to turn kobe bryant into the new michael jordan, but that case completely ruined his image, he lost all of his sponsorship contracts, he still has a professional basketball career but his image was nothing like it was before the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] case, maybe that's why shaq moved to miami? in general there is major male bashing going on, particularly against pro sports stars, look at michael vick. david beckham is an exception because he seems to coo the fems.[/quote]
michael vick deserves everything he gets. as for kobe, no one really knows what happened. i tend to think the truth was somewhere in the middle. he shoulda been more careful in any case.
truth is, us pro athletes have to be really careful. there are lots of women out there looking to have their babies or cry [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] when things don't go as they planned.
as for becks, he doesn't have to worry about anything since posh has him in her back pocket. he's been neutralized to paying the bills, just like a "good" boy should.
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Sad to say
years ago a star got laid. so what that was part of his celebrity status. the sad thing now is the sorry little tart he screwed can get famous off his back. eg divine brown and hugh grant. so the natural evolution of the star getting laid is the star getting laid then being charged with [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]. we live in a society that is obsessed with fame. even paris hilton going to jail was on every station. it doesn't matter how you get famous as long as you are famous. so if a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] complaint gets you famous alot of girls will look at that favourably.
i'm quite sure that some cases are definitely [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] and some case aren't. the ones that aren't are the saddest.
i have a vision of the future with date contracts being signed before dates, much like a pre nuptial before marriage.
although i don't want to be trying to date when this happens.
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The Garden, Nicks Deemed Dysfunctional, Hostile and Lewd
[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/02/sports/basketball/03garden-cnd.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin[/url]
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Vasectomy at 28: One man's decision
by mike celizic
todayshow.com contributor
updated: 11:32 a.m. ct oct 3, 2007
like many men, toby byrum decided to have a vasectomy to end his reproductive years. unlike most of them, byrum had his at the age of 28 while he is still single and childless.
two years later, the web consultant from jackson hole, wyoming, has no regrets.
“i view the next 15-20 years of my life as some of the best years i’m going to live. i wanted to make sure those years were . . . going to make me ultimately the happiest person i could be,” he told today co-host matt lauer.
he’s not alone. urologists around the country say that they are seeing a small but growing number of young men who are deciding to have vasectomies when they are young, all but insuring that they will never be able to have children of their own.
“it’s kind of getting to be a departure from this society – a wife, a husband, have kids, live in the suburbs, – and instead is more, ‘maybe we don’t want to have kids,’ “ byrum said.
what makes byrum different from most men who undergo the procedure at such a young age is that he did not ‘bank' sperm before having his vas deferens – the tubes that convey sperm from the testicles – severed in a 20-minute out-patient surgical procedure.
“for me, it’s an ultimate decision, and therefore i did not want an escape hatch,” byrum said.
young, good-looking, and out-going, byrum leads an active life, enjoys the outdoors and hopes to get married some day. he said he likes children; he just doesn’t want any of his own.
the 'ultimate' decision
he doesn’t hide his decision from women he dates.
“the first date, if not before,” he said. “i live in a small area, so some people are already aware of this. i bring it up quickly. there’s no reason to waste anybody’s time. if someone has a different idea for themselves, i don’t want to get in the way.”
in second today segment with natalie morales, in which he responded to viewer email questions, byrum admitted that for some women, the news is an automatic deal-breaker. but he’d rather know that from the start rather than continue a relationship under false assumptions on either side.
morales said she was surprised that many women who emailed supported and approved of his decision.
byrum is the only male child in his family, and if he does not reproduce, the family line will die out. lauer asked if that was a consideration.
“after thinking about it, it really isn’t a factor to me in wanting to have kids or not,” byrum said. in a pre-interview, he added that he thought that having a child simply to continue his legacy would be selfish.
he said he felt early in his 20s that he didn’t want to ever have children, but took several years to make certain he wanted to make a decision that is not easily reversed.
according to sex therapist laura berman, a vasectomy can be reversed more easily than a tubal ligation for a woman, which is nearly impossible to undo. “there’s some success reversing it up to eight years,” she said of a vasectomy. “but you really should look at is a permanent solution.”
berman also said that men contemplating the procedure should be sure that they’re not doing it because of issues they may have had growing up that could be addressed in therapy.
byrum said he had no such issues. he also found no resistance from urologists he approached.
“they didn’t want to offer their opinion; they wanted it to be my decision,” he said.
berman said that byrum’s decision is part of an overall trend. “any birth control, we’re seeing more and more men taking control of family planning, and in extreme cases like this making the decision that they absolutely don’t want children and deciding to have a vasectomy,” she told morales.
lauer asked him if it were possible that at some point 10 or more years down the line, he might decide he wants children after all.
“it’s theoretically possible, but you make the best decision you can make with the information available at the time,” byrum said.
he then offered some advice for other men in his condition considering having a vasectomy and never having children.
“you need to make it with the mindset that it is an ultimate decision. it’s something you’re doing and setting up that next period in your life and how you’re going to live it. for that person to make that decision, they need to truly understand that it’s a no-going-back deal.”
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I had mine at 24 and it was hard to find a doctor who would do it.
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More on the swirling connection between the American woman, the American legal community and vulgar absurdity.
[url]http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/sns-ap-strip-search-hoax,0,5396095.story[/url]
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Dinner with an AW
i recently had dinner with a rotund american woman. she works in the same building as i do and happened to hear me mentioning that i had not sampled a particular dish in quite some time, so she said that she knew the location of a restaurant that served a delicious version of said dish. anyway, i agreed to let her show me the location on her way home. i followed in my car until we got to the restaurant where she asked if she could join me for dinner. i wasn’t keen on this but i did not want to be rude seeing that this heifer worked in the same organization that i did and could make things uncomfortable if she felt slighted.
we both ordered and while waiting she started making small talk asking my age and other personal details which i rebuffed. she invited me to accompany her on some outings but i told her that i had a girlfriend who wouldn’t appreciate me spending time with another female outside of business. that was hardly a speed bump and she continued her interrogation. finally, i decided to change the subject of the conversation to her and not me. she told me that she did not date men from the local area. she said that any man who had to pay child support or work two jobs to pay his bills was not for her. i smirked and asked her what if he was a really nice honest guy but had to work two jobs to get ahead? certainly that was better than being a thief wasn’t it? she said that it didn’t matter what kind of person he was, she just didn’t want a man that had to work that hard for a living.
i was amazed. here was this obese unattractive american woman who considered herself too good for a hard working man. i wondered to myself if she ever looked at herself in the mirror and how she could possibly say a thing like that when indeed she would be lucky if a man… any man, showed interest in her. she not only had a corpulent body but a very overweight ego as well. i told her that she would probably end up marrying a guy lower down the social ladder than the one i mentioned. she said that she would remain single then. she then said that she could see me marrying with someone from the local area and settling down with some kids. i howled with laughter and told her that she obviously didn’t know me quite well and that i loved my money too much to do anything so foolish. this seemed to enrage her a bit and she asked if i didn’t want to leave my genes behind. i replied that didn’t really concern me since the world was already over populated but if she felt the need to leave her genes behind to further contribute to the situation i would not be critical. well, she got into a huff and said that i was being mean. i said that i was not being mean but she was being rude wishing children and marriage upon me when that clearly wasn’t on my agenda. i informed her that i did not date american women and found the idea of marrying one to be offensive to the point of being an insult. she was stunned and asked me how i thought that she felt hearing this since she was an american woman. i said that it shouldn’t matter to her because it was a personal choice not a matter of public opinion.
i excused myself saying that i had a prior engagement and left. clearly, this aw had some unrealistic expectations. one can only imagine what kind of man the skinny ones think they deserve!
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Excellent work, CM! I will contribute this:
THIS APPEARED ON CRAIG'S LIST!!!
"What am I doing wrong?
Okay, I'm tired of beating around the bush. I'm a beautiful (spectacularly beautiful) 25 year old girl. I'm articulate and classy.I'm not from New York. I'm looking to get married to a guy who makes at least half a million a year. I know how that sounds, but keep in mind that a million a year is middle class in New York City, so I don't think I'm overreaching at all.
Are there any guys who make 500K or more on this board? Any wives?
Could you send me some tips? I dated a business man who makes average around 200-250. But that's where I seem to hit a roadblock. 250,000 won't get me to central park west. I know a woman in my yoga class who was
married to an investment banker and lives in Tribeca, and she's not as pretty
as I am, nor is she a great genius. So what is she doing right? How do I get to her level?
Here are my questions specifically:
Where do you single rich men hang out? Give me specifics - bars,restaurants, gyms -What are you looking for in a mate? Be honest guys, you won't hurt my feelings -Is there an age range I should be targeting (I'm 25)? Why are some of the women living lavish lifestyles on the upper east side so plain? I've seen really 'plain jane' boring types who have nothing to offer married to incredibly wealthy guys. I've seen drop dead gorgeous girls in singles bars in the east village. What's the story there?
- Jobs I should look out for? Everyone knows - lawyer, investment
banker, doctor. How much do those guys really make? And where do they
hang out? Where do the hedge fund guys hang out?
How you decide marriage vs. just a girlfriend? I am looking for MARRIAGE ONLY
Please hold your insults - I'm putting myself out there in an honest way. Most beautiful women are superficial; at least I'm being up front about it. I wouldn't be searching for these kind of guys if I wasn't able to match them - in looks, culture, sophistication, and keeping a nice home and hearth."
* it's NOT ok to contact this poster with
services or other commercial interests
PostingID: 432279810
THE ANSWER
"Dear Pers-431649184: I read your posting with great interest and have thought meaningfully about your dilemma. I offer the following analysis of your predicament.
Firstly, I'm not wasting your time, I qualify as a guy who fits your bill; that is I make more than $500K per year. That said here's how I see it.
Your offer, from the perspective of a guy like me, is plain and simple a crappy business deal. Here's why. Cutting through all the B.S., what you suggest is a simple trade: you bring your looks to the party and I bring my money. Fine, simple. But here's the rub, your looks will fade and my money will likely continue into perpetuity...in fact, it is very likely that my income increases but it is an absolute certainty that you won't be getting any more beautiful!
So, in economic terms you are a depreciating asset and I am an earning asset. Not only are you a depreciating asset, your depreciation accelerates! Let me explain, you're 25 now and will likely stay pretty hot for the next 5 years, but less so each year. Then the fade begins in earnest. By 35 stick a fork in you!
So in Wall Street terms, we would call you a trading position, not a buy and hold...hence the rub...marriage. It doesn't make good business sense to 'buy you' (which is what you're asking) so I'd rather lease. In case you think I'm being cruel, I would say the following. If my money were to go away, so would you, so when your beauty fades I need an out. It's as simple as that. So a deal that makes sense is dating, not marriage.
Separately, I was taught early in my career about efficient markets. So,I wonder why a girl as 'articulate, classy and spectacularly beautiful' as you has been unable to find your sugar daddy. I find it hard to believe that if you are as gorgeous as you say you are that the $500K hasn't found you, if not only for a tryout.
By the way, you could always find a way to make your own money and then we wouldn't need to have this difficult conversation.
With all that said, I must say you're going about it the right way. Classic 'pump and dump.' I hope this is helpful, and if you want to enter into some sort of lease, let me know."
I believe the respondent will make a fine monger some day, if he isn't one already! And, we all know what the OP already is.
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LMAO! That response was priceless!!! :)
Beautiful and articulate she may be... classy, she ain't.
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For all the 'liberated' we are supposed to be in America, unfortauntely this mentality still predominates. Everybody is looking for the easy way out :P
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[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]LMAO! That response was priceless!!! :)
Beautiful and articulate she may be... classy, she ain't.[/QUOTE]
agree what an answer! made me laugh, yet from a technical point of view, the answer was so perfect.
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[QUOTE=Dickhead]I had mine at 24 and it was hard to find a doctor who would do it.[/QUOTE]
. . . and I think we all can agree, the world is a safer place due to this fine medical professional!
HaHa, Chears, -P
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Dickhead and CM
Congratulations on your posts. Both made me laugh till I fell off my chair with tears running down my face.
CM Your dinner sounds like you picked the woman from hell. Even if it wasn't a date she was checking you out for prospective fatherhood and fat pay check.
Dickhead. Its hard to believe that women like this haven't found being a hooker a viable occupation. She can make a good income and not have to worry about settling down with some man. I wonder if she has ever considered being a groupie to a rap singer. The reply is hillarious and so totally accurate its scary.
Thanks for putting a smile on my dial that was sorely needed on a Monday morning.
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CM,
Had a similar experience several years ago. In this case, however, the American woman I was having dinner with was actually in pretty good shape and quite attractive. I was "interrogated" just like you. When I did not express any definitve interest in her she began to ask indirectly if I was "gay." Huh??? Actually, she was rather skillful and discreet in her line of questioning about my being "gay" and why I was not kneeling before her feminine charms. She seemed to be genuinely miffed.
When I told her that I only date foreign women and particularly women from Eastern Europe, she went ballistic and made quite a scene at the restaurant. She was loud, finger pointing, etc. It was quite a show and when I smiled at her she became even more enraged. Everyone in the restaurant was staring at me. Hey, she asked and I told her.
My primary conclusion was that AW don't want Tatiana, Svetlana or Isabella threatening the sweet deal that they have going here in the states. BTW, at the conclusion of this tortureous dinner she refused to contribute anything toward the bill (which was OK with me) despite the fact that she initiated dinner.
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American Women Are Evil
[url]http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=1900628&page=1[/url]
This was an article about a man who jumped off the Golden Gate Bridge and survived. The most sad thing was that as he was about to jump off the bridge in attempt to end his life, a woman asked him if he could take a photo of her, what a b*tich.
There was a shooting in Wisconsin involving a cop and some women at some kind of social function. Frankly I am not surprised, because American society is driving males off the edge. Even that VA Tech shooting seemed to suggest AWs probably pushed that student off the edge. Also that one in Pennsylvania also suggest something, he let all the males in a school go free but shot all the females.
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An Evil American Woman
In the New York Times today, there was an article about a woman who was sentenced to 5 years in prison for injuring her 1 month old infant daughter by smashing her head. How did she do that, you may ask????
Her husband had gone out drinking with his buddies without her permission. When he got home she pick up the child by the feet and SWUNG her at him. The child's head hit a wall and resulted in a concussion.
As jaded as I am, I am still amazed at how much some AWs feel they can get away with. Just how much entitlement does some of them feel they are owed???
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Chocha Monger and AW dinner...
[quote=chocha monger]i recently had dinner with a rotund american woman. she works in the same building as i do and happened to hear me mentioning that i had not sampled a particular dish in quite some time, so she said that she knew the location of a restaurant that served a delicious version of said dish. anyway, i agreed to let her show me the location on her way home. i followed in my car until we got to the restaurant where she asked if she could join me for dinner. i wasn’t keen on this but i did not want to be rude seeing that this heifer worked in the same organization that i did and could make things uncomfortable if she felt slighted.
we both ordered and while waiting she started making small talk asking my age and other personal details which i rebuffed. she invited me to accompany her on some outings but i told her that i had a girlfriend who wouldn’t appreciate me spending time with another female outside of business. that was hardly a speed bump and she continued her interrogation. finally, i decided to change the subject of the conversation to her and not me. she told me that she did not date men from the local area. she said that any man who had to pay child support or work two jobs to pay his bills was not for her. i smirked and asked her what if he was a really nice honest guy but had to work two jobs to get ahead? certainly that was better than being a thief wasn’t it? she said that it didn’t matter what kind of person he was, she just didn’t want a man that had to work that hard for a living.
i was amazed. here was this obese unattractive american woman who considered herself too good for a hard working man. i wondered to myself if she ever looked at herself in the mirror and how she could possibly say a thing like that when indeed she would be lucky if a man… any man, showed interest in her. she not only had a corpulent body but a very overweight ego as well. i told her that she would probably end up marrying a guy lower down the social ladder than the one i mentioned. she said that she would remain single then. she then said that she could see me marrying with someone from the local area and settling down with some kids. i howled with laughter and told her that she obviously didn’t know me quite well and that i loved my money too much to do anything so foolish. this seemed to enrage her a bit and she asked if i didn’t want to leave my genes behind. i replied that didn’t really concern me since the world was already over populated but if she felt the need to leave her genes behind to further contribute to the situation i would not be critical. well, she got into a huff and said that i was being mean. i said that i was not being mean but she was being rude wishing children and marriage upon me when that clearly wasn’t on my agenda. i informed her that i did not date american women and found the idea of marrying one to be offensive to the point of being an insult. she was stunned and asked me how i thought that she felt hearing this since she was an american woman. i said that it shouldn’t matter to her because it was a personal choice not a matter of public opinion.
i excused myself saying that i had a prior engagement and left. clearly, this aw had some unrealistic expectations. one can only imagine what kind of man the skinny ones think they deserve![/quote]
may i be so bold to ask who paid the dinner???
yes i agree also here in western europe many women think they are gods gift to mankind......! even women in their late forties looking like utter shit think they can get a younger man...and guess what:
they do!!!!!!!!!!!!! purely on the fact of demografic factors:-(
i met allready plenty women here of 35-36 yo telling me (40 yo) that iam "too old". fts!!!
no mo marriage for this guy!!!;-)
johan
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western man dating forreign women.
[QUOTE=Paddy]CM,
Had a similar experience several years ago. In this case, however, the American woman I was having dinner with was actually in pretty good shape and quite attractive. I was "interrogated" just like you. When I did not express any definitve interest in her she began to ask indirectly if I was "gay." Huh??? Actually, she was rather skillful and discreet in her line of questioning about my being "gay" and why I was not kneeling before her feminine charms. She seemed to be genuinely miffed.
When I told her that I only date foreign women and particularly women from Eastern Europe, she went ballistic and made quite a scene at the restaurant. She was loud, finger pointing, etc. It was quite a show and when I smiled at her she became even more enraged. Everyone in the restaurant was staring at me. Hey, she asked and I told her.
My primary conclusion was that AW don't want Tatiana, Svetlana or Isabella threatening the sweet deal that they have going here in the states. BTW, at the conclusion of this tortureous dinner she refused to contribute anything toward the bill (which was OK with me) despite the fact that she initiated dinner.[/QUOTE]
I can confirm that Dutch or German women also are NOT very pleased if you tell them you date latinas. (or any other forreign women).
I just try to avoid the women here....in that case in my little shithole were i live there are not many single women and on my job most women are married or allready have a life partner:-) yes.....here I also got the "gay discussion"thing....pathetic.....
Offcourse I can't tell them of my fuck trips down South-America....!!! just imagine how that would be received;-) I would just be another "dirty pervert" ....:-(
cheers
Johan
(dutch guy living in Germany)
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[QUOTE=Johan007]May i be so bold to ask who paid the dinner???
Johan[/QUOTE]
Each party paid.
Interesting that the 35-36 yrs old maids think that you're too old at 40 yrs though their reproductive machinery is nearing the end of its serviceable life. Many of these women start experiencing dryness, fibroids, ovarian cysts and other issues at this age. However, they can still find younger guys for a fuck or even marriage in some cases. I guess young guys have difficulty fucking girls their own age and short change themselves by settling for worn out "MILFs".
If you're not tied up supporting some hag's lifestyle then you will face attacks with the accusation of being "gay". Another favorite attack is the argument that one must be "pathetic" or a "pervert" to travel outside of one's country to meet women. Women see this off-shoring of sex and money as a serious threat to their power at home. They don't have any interest in fucking Joe Average but the fact that he travels abroad and fucks women much hotter than they are makes them very angry because they can't help but think that Prince Charming might get wise to the game too ruining their chances for marrying his money. It is no secret that many of these women have become accustomed to the free dinners and outings paid for by guys they have no interest in fucking at all.
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[QUOTE=Johan007]
Offcourse I can't tell them of my fuck trips down South-America....!!! just imagine how that would be received;-) I would just be another "dirty pervert" ....:-(
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I always assumed mentioning trips to South America and Latin girlfriends was an excellent way to shutdown a conversation with an American girl. But last year I was cornered into a date with an aggressive, smart AW, who gave a solid effort at dragging me to the altar.
As a rule, I never mention dating SAWs to AWs - it's just rude. Sort of like telling someone "You're dating out of your league". It might be a good thing for them to know, but it's not my role to tell them. My job is to sit and make pleasant small talk till the check comes. For practice, if no other reason.
I don't give a crap if they think I'm gay. If, against odds, some excellent single AW ends up travelling in my American social circles and I want to ask her out it's going to be a [i]lot[/i] easier if the word on the street is "He's gay" than if the scuttlebutt involves foriegn women.
At any rate, the aggressive, smart AW was such a pain. The type that doesn't take an indirect "no". You have to thwack them upside the head with the wine list and scream "I don't want any part of you, your biological urges, your family full of lawyers and all the ensuing crap that's likely to develop from spending any more time with you".
I just wanted her to leave me alone. So, pulling the trigger, I tossed out "Oh, yeah, I've got a girl in Colombia I've spent a bit of time with...."
She jumps back with "Oh, sure, I had a boyfriend in Honduras last year."
Desperately, I reached for the wine list....
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[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]If you're not tied up supporting some hag's lifestyle then you will face attacks with the accusation of being "gay". Another favorite attack is the argument that one must be "pathetic" or a "pervert" to travel outside of one's country to meet women. Women see this off-shoring of sex and money as a serious threat to their power at home. They don't have any interest in fucking Joe Average but the fact that he travels abroad and fucks women much hotter than they are makes them very angry because they can't help but think that Prince Charming might get wise to the game too ruining their chances for marrying his money. It is no secret that many of these women have become accustomed to the free dinners and outings paid for by guys they have no interest in fucking at all.[/QUOTE]
I must really be bad news because I don't get accused of being gay have or anyone hitting on me or trying to hook me up with 'friends'. And I work in a female dominated industry. I think the thing is that I spend my money on travel and [b]look[/b] it. I drive a used car. I don't wear and 'bling-bling' of any type. I don't wear flashy expensive clothes. And the kicker - I wear inexpensive shoes!
When a man looks like he doesn't have much money, he won't have ANY problems with AWs.
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[QUOTE=Jelly Donut]I just wanted her to leave me alone. So, pulling the trigger, I tossed out "Oh, yeah, I've got a girl in Colombia I've spent a bit of time with...."
She jumps back with "Oh, sure, I had a boyfriend in Honduras last year."
Desperately, I reached for the wine list....[/QUOTE]
I would have kept the ball in her court with questions as to why she dated a Honduran, why she couldn't find a US man, if she wasn't interested in US men any more, etc.
I have noticed that increasing numbers of US women are dating or married to Asian men (Chinese, Indian). Based on the behavior of the men, I strongly suspect it is because AWs are able to find passive, compliant men among the immigrants from these countries.
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Article on prostitution by an AW
hizark21 posted the link to this article in the tijuana thread, but i wanted to put it here as well, since it is just as relavent in the aw thread as the tj thread:
disneyland for grown men
by jennifer cooke
we mexican kids growing up in the '80s in the south bay of san diego heard stories of tijuana's red-light district, known as the cahuila (pronounced ca-hwe-la). we had never been there to see it, so it loomed in our imaginations as a place crowded with "houses of ill repute," "ladies of the night," and other exotic goings-on we didn't fully understand. its mystery made it useful in a cautionary way, such as "you better stop acting like such a **** or you'll end up working in the cahuila!" it could be employed as an insult: "i saw your mom in the cahuila!" since the spanish word for cage, jaula (pronounced how-la), sounds similar to cahuila, i imagined the place as a giant birdcage full of half-naked women, their limbs dangling from between the bars. (i later learned that the correct word is "coahuila," a street in tijuana's zona norte named after the state in mexico.)
just as i never believed my girlfriends would become hookers in a tijuana brothel, i never expected male friends to become customers. i viewed prostitution as a service used out of necessity by men who were unattractive, socially awkward, or married and looking for extramarital sex. perhaps a single man found himself at an age where he wasn't comfortable carousing in the gaslamp among girls who were much younger.
but david hernández (not his real name) is none of the above. with his dark hair and long eyelashes, he could pass for a more muscular, rugged version of oscar de la hoya. at 26, he is charming, funny, outgoing, educated, and employed. he says he has a wide social circle and enjoys clubbing and exercising -- a claim borne out by his tanned, toned bicep that peeks from the sleeve of his shirt.
hernández calls his favorite tijuana brothel "the happiest place on earth -- it's like disneyland for grown men!" he discovered it in 2002 on a jaunt south of the border with friends. "it wasn't as popular back then," he says, "but everybody knows about that spot now."
and by "everybody" he means guys like himself, the kind you might find downtown any night at the martini ranch or stingaree.
i come right out and say it: he could probably get any number of females in the gaslamp to go home with him. why pay for it? "it's just the beauty of no attachments and no commitments, no bs," he says. "you see a hot chick, you do your thing, and you never have to talk again."
tourism in tijuana has taken a devastating blow in the wake of 9/11, but you would never know it from hernández's description of a friday night in one of the oldest brothels in the coahuila. apparently, business is booming and the place filled to capacity with raucous guys partying like it's 1999 -- or any year before 2001.
hernández and his friends park at the shops at las americas in san ysidro and walk across the border to catch a cab. he tells the driver the name of the bar, "and the driver gives kind of a snicker and takes you straight over there." when the guys make preliminary stops on revolución, they take precautions: "we always make sure and put our [prostitution] money in our socks so we don't spend it!"
he and four other men i talk to are adamant that the girls are "gorgeous" and "stunning." hernández says, "there are some old, ugly ones but not many, and they don't get much attention from anybody."
while there is a dance floor, hernández says he's seen a girl dance only once in all the times he's been there. there is no pretense about the purpose of the establishment. "you're either drinking or [having sex] or both, or the staff kicks you out." hernández and his friends make the rounds of the room, looking for the best girls. the degree of small talk varies from sitting down together for a couple of drinks to walking straight up to the preferred girl and asking, "¿cuánto?" ("how much?"). hernández says he prefers the latter approach.
the going rate is $60. that gets you 20 to 30 minutes upstairs at the adjacent hotel, which can be entered from inside the bar. "when i first went, there was never any line for the hotel," he explains. "you just went straight up the stairs to the hole-in-the-wall front desk and paid $11 for the room. the last time i went, though, the line of people wrapped all the way around the inside of the bar along the wall. it's crazy how popular that place has gotten."
once inside the 10-by-12 room, hernández says there is no time to waste. a guy had better stick to the allotted time limit or someone will come knocking at the door "whether you are done or not. you don't mess around over there because they will [mess] with you if you act up."
as he describes the room, he cracks, "there's no telling when the bedspread and sheets were washed. you don't think about that at the time, though." his concern about cleanliness never goes further than the linens, however. what about sexually transmitted diseases? what about hiv? hernández's is one of the first generations to grow up with demonstrations in school of how to put a condom on a banana instead of grainy army training films about the dangers of getting a dose of the clap. he's never known a world without aids. so how can he blithely put himself at risk? another american coahuila regular tells me, "the girls all use condoms. and the girls are clean! they take a shower right in front of you!"
for his part, hernández says that every weekend can be risky, "whether in tj or in pacific beach on the prowl," and leaves it at that. one recurring theme i hear is that since prostitution is legal in mexico, tijuana's health department regularly tests the girls for sexually transmitted diseases. "you can't get that kind of guarantee from a random girl you meet over here," one man tells me.
so what is it about guys like hernández? is the traditional dating scene that tiresome? "if you think about it," he says, "it's cheaper altogether" to go to his favorite coahuila bar. "dinner, movies, concerts, gas money driving everywhere -- it's so much work, and this could take weeks with a girl you meet in san diego. in tj, you pay your money straight up, and you're done in 30 minutes. like me and my friends always say, all men pay for it one way or another."
the growing social acceptability in the united states of these "regular joes" becoming "regular johns" may not be occurring in tijuana. i meet luis in a quiet bar in chula vista, where he often comes after work before crossing the border to go home. he shoots pool with a coworker named brenda, and we chat after luis offers to buy me a drink. they seem excited to see a new face in their regular hangout, and even the bartender gets in on the conversation. after a few drinks, they say they are going dancing that night in tijuana, and i ask, "going anywhere near the coahuila?"
the smile leaves luis's face, and all chitchat comes to a halt. he puts his pool cue back in its case as he tells me no, he's not going anywhere near the coahuila. "you know why?" he asks me in spanish. "because my parents brought me up right. i don't go to places like that."
[url]http://www.sdreader.com/php/cityshow.php?id=1726[/url]
notice the typical aw assumptions about prostitution at the beginning of the article ("i imagined the place as a giant birdcage full of half-naked women, their limbs dangling from between the bars." who the hell thinks like this?). then she goes into the typical assumption that only guys that are "unattractive" or "socially awkward" pay for sex. also, i find it very hard to believe that the last two paragraphs of this article are even true, unless "luis" is either extremely religious, or gay. i'm just going to assume that miss cooke made the last part of her essay up.
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I too at times am accused of being gay. I don't care.
I spend all my money on travel and longterm investments and look it. I drive an old Honda Civic. So I don't get the third degree too often. But when I do see an aggressive AW starting to get her claws into me or acquaintances wish to fix me up with their friend I simply shut down in a polite manner. This is effective in all aspects of my life including my professional world. I am quite adept at deflecting the nosy questions. I learned years ago to never mention my frequent trips to Japan or within the US to meet my Japanese internet friends. I used to tell people and be more open about that aspect of my life, but got sick of being labeled "desparate" for not accepting some fat manly AW who is out for my family's money and social status.
Funny how male sex tourists are considered criminal sexual predators at worst and skeevy perverts at best, while female sex tourists going to the Caribbean are glorified in Hollywood movies!
Thanks for the article Ezinho. Classic AW attitude and delusions. Disgust at the idea of sex honestly bought and sold as opposed to the typical AW tease/extortion/unfulfilled promise approach to sex, disbelief that an attractive well-adjusted young man would do it, retarded childish images of how it really goes down in TJ or any such place, and refusal to accept that these TJ workers are probably more STD-free than young drunken AW bar skanks. I'm sure the closing vignette is pure fiction. Her query resulted in deathly silence in the bar? Latino guy abruptly halts his pool game out of disgust? Uh huh.
Another issue. Latest analysis of census data shows that women age 21-30 in NY and several other major cities (I recall Minneapolis/Boston/SF perhaps) are making 18% MORE than their male counterparts! So much for the feminists ranting about being in a society "dominated" by the "patriarchy".
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[QUOTE=George90]I would have kept the ball in her court with questions as to why she dated a Honduran, why she couldn't find a US man, if she wasn't interested in US men any more, etc.[/QUOTE]
Good questions, but I did not really care why she dated the people she dated. I just wanted the evening to end. I was really unhappy it did not come crashing to an end at the mere hint of South American women.
The fact that it did not crash, well, I think that would have been an encouraging sign if I had been interested in an ongoing conversation or even a relationship with her. I figure we may have shared some ideas about how the world works.
Also, I'm not clear on why finding a person who is "passive, compliant" is a bad thing, regardless. I'm not even sure I know what those words intend - seven months ago I took a young woman from behind, across a dining room table. She basically passively accepted everything I did to her. After, she seemed very happy that I was happy.
Such a tight little dress.
I can't stop thinking about it. I can't stop thinking about her. Personally, I feel like she has a lot of power over me, which she gained largely through being "passive". Relationships are complicated little machines, ya know.
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Cocha Monga
MILF
Oh help I am MILF. Please let me defend my breed just a bit. All MILF are not self obsessed man haters.
I love men. I don't expect them to pay for my dinner. I don't expect them to do all the chasing and I certainly don't expect all the men I got to bed with to be under 30. I also don't have any female health problems.
Yes I am proud to say I am nearing the end of child bearing age. I don't think this is a problem. In fact I think its a plus. There are many men out there who have been trapped into child support by a young girl looking for an easy road. I am past that game or the urge to breed to trap any young man. If a man finds me attractive no matter what his age I will take him on his merits not his wallet.
Maybe this is something that us girls from Down Under in Australia and New Zealand do and your northern hemisphere girls have forgotten or maybe they are just far to money orientated. That is why the Eastern European the South American and Asian girls are still so attractive. Like us girls from Down Under they still respect men.
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Milf?
I am very sorry...but WHAT the heck is a MILF???
anyone?
sounds pretty scary to me.....LOL
(I am Dutch)
Johan
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MILF = Mother I'd Like to F***. Refers to a woman over 35, possibly a mom but not necessarily, who is still desirable.
In the US if they're still hot at that age, there's nearly always a lot of BS, gold-digging, bitterness, and psychological baggage to go along with it. On the other hand I've encountered many hot doable EE, SA, and Asian women of that age who are healthy and ripe for action.
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I agree with the whole not showing the wealth thing and have been playing that card down here quite successfully. "Toro, why don't you buy a car?" "I can't afford a car. I am a school teacher and I only have work half the year." That is true as far as it goes. I wear jeans, running shoes, and a T-shirt ("croto") almost everywhere although I will upgrade to Dockers and Hush Puppies with a collared shirt if I invite a woman out somewhere. You don't want your apartment to be too nice, either. I have quite a reputation down here for being cheap ("tacaño") and the joke is "Toro speaks good Spanish but there are still some words he doesn't understand, like "regalo" (gift), "propina" (tip), and "shopping" (shopping!)." They fuck me anyway.
AWs blew me off even though I had a house, a nice truck, an advanced degree, and a white collar job. Here I have no house, no car, and they couldn't give less of a shit about my three degrees, and they are just glad I have A job. Most of them don't even understand what I do. Last night I had what I believe to be a MILF although she is only 33. She does have six kids. If you saw her in the boliche you would not say, "Man, I gotta have some of that." But she comes over once every couple of weeks, fucks me, I make a nice dinner, she does the dishes and cleans the kitchen, we chat for a while, she fucks me again, I give her about forty dollars, and she leaves. So for ten dollars an hour I am renting a wife who will do absolutely anything in bed at any time, is horny as hell, never flips me any shit, and we genuinely like each other. She can cook too if it ever becomes necessary, which it probably won't. She is very clean, uses the bidet, hangs up her towel, puts the cap back on the shampoo and toothpaste, etc. The last thing she does before she leaves is wash the beer glasses.
So why doesn't this Jennifer Cooke write about THAT?
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Germans have it much better than Americans, you Germans have a strong Euro that enables you to travel to Eastern Europe for cheap, and former Eastern Bloc is a gold mine when it comes to finding women. In the USA you lose interest in females because of the high maintenance attitudes and BS that you have to put up with. Despite having a woman head of state, I don't think German women are as assertive as American females, but still there is a big influx of EE women in Germany so you have an alternative.
In family court in the USA, the male is always guilty no matter what, they are always biased towards the female. Men are automatically criminals, even many laws are heavily skewed towards making men the criminal. The media is even worse, NBC did some special about male sexual predators and it failed to even mention that its just as common for women to sexually exploit younger men.
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I think it's time for me to kinda repeat myself on here. A lot of AM are *****ing about AW when they need to take a look at the bigger picture, at the moribund culture they themselves are helping perpetuate. The fact is in America it is JUST as fucked up as a woman looking for a man as it is for a man looking for a woman. I'm sure you could find parallel rants on other boards by women saying just about the same thing all the angry guys on here are saying.
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Well, a lot of us, like me and CBGB just to name two, have left the country so we ain't perfuckingpetuating things any more, che.
But I don't agree with you that it is "just as fucked for woman looking for a man" in the US. In fact, I find that statement completely ridiculous. Ludicrous, in fact. Asinine.
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As for American women, when I am gone. She works her work, I mine. Blameless, all the way round.
The way Dickhead spells out his life, it just sounds dreamy. I'm sure there are some downsides, but it sounds like he's crafted out a great way of living. That's where I want to be. Straight Shooter's FAQ on retirement in Bogotá, Colombia was a watershed post along these lines:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=465517&postcount=456[/url]
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german women OT
OOO boy...you realy (obviously) never stayed in germany to see how german women "interact" with men.....
jeeezzzzzz...these critters are in to "sex and the city"and Ally Macbeal crap big time....
cheaper????less bad attitude????
LOL
NFW
EEW cheap??? I kindda doubt that. You ever been in Moscow or any other large eastern european capital??? Let me tell you something: THEY ARE FAR FROM CHEAP!!
strong euro??? OOO man did you know we pay USD 7.30 for a gallon of gas???? Housing is very very expensive...for a normal small house (not a new one)you pay 130.000 euros..!!!! hows that? Many married collegues ENVY me...becoz I can go 1-2 times a year on a fuck trip...wereas they only can go to Turkey for 2 weks in an all in resort with their BUTT ugly wifes.....!!
if you go to a *****house( a club) you pay at least 100 Euros for an hour of FS.....and if you don't give her at least 2 drinks.....well you will see how a "dead fish"is like!!!! been there done that.....
thats why idecided to spend my cash in south america.....there i can fuck a 22 yo MILF.....that looks tasty and yummy.....;-) less money...and way better attitude....tell you that!
LOL
Johan
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[QUOTE=George90]I have noticed that increasing numbers of US women are dating or married to Asian men (Chinese, Indian). Based on the behavior of the men, I strongly suspect it is because AWs are able to find passive, compliant men among the immigrants from these countries.[/QUOTE]
I've noticed the same thing here in Canada. Lot's of local women going and getting hitched to some guy from wherever.
What's the common thread? Most of these guys appear to be the educated, hard-working type. Just the kind of docile, non-threatening type of man that these women would feel safe with. Th kind of guy who likes slaving away to pay for all the things the woman wants to have.
Not just that, but I'd bet good money a lot of these guys are doing this as a way of staying in the cuntry (oops, I meant country!) The really funny part is.... a lot of guys from these countries are true world-class mongers. Skillful, sly and daring..... they could screw a hundred girls on the side and their wife will never know. :D
Rock
ps. I'm with Johan007 on the topic of German women. You might do OK with them in certain isolated circumstances. But, if all GWs are that great, why does one see so many German guys in Thailand, Phillipines, DR, Cuba, Brazil etc. looking for local talent?
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Johan, 130k euros for a house sounds CHEAP to me... here even in the South Bronx you'd be hard pressed to find anything for less than $400k US.
Dickhead, well unless one of us comes across some compelling evidence, we'll just have to agree to disagree. But IMNSHO it's a case of BOTH sexes setting having way too high standards compared to what they are bringing to the table. Quid pro quo, baby.
That's why there is such a high rate of guys getting burned by those dating agencies too. Unrealistically high expectations, combined with SEVERE culture shock on the part of the girl. Often these girls believe the stupidity that the middle class lifestyle in the USA is one lived in the lap of luxury, and they are in for a rude-ass shock when they get here. Not to mention, even in NYC and Miami, immigrants are usually further down the social ladder here than they were in their home countries, and that stings, as well as the discrimination they may well face here.
Now add to that the fact that the woman is often 10000x more sexually attractive to the opposite sex than her mate and often these relationships have an age gap of a generation or more, it's a long shot at best. These guys would do a fuck of a lot better off procuring the services of a pro and forgetting about the idea of a long term relationship completely!
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It goes without saying that any guy who uses a "dating agency" is a douche bag and a loser who lacks the balls to do any kind of face to face. That has zero to do with what I am talking about.
Unfortunately many American men are so pussy whipped they would consider a mail order bride or some hag they met on Craig's List. All I can do about that is apologize on behalf of my native country. Many American men are also downloading porno and whipping the skippy and they find this an acceptable alternative to flesh and blood interactions. Many are married to women who are fat, ugly, and sexually disinterested.
So, they could grow some balls, and divorce their fat wives, and get in the game. That, of course, assumes they are not fat, bald, out of shape, impotent losers themselves. Many, of course, are. It is difficult to grow balls in middle age when your nuts have been squeezed dry by years and years of ball busting, ball draining women. I understand all of that.
But if you got some game and some cash and are smart enough to pour [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] out of a boot without somebody having to write the directions on the mother fucking heel, Latin America might be a destination. Why? Because the women love cock, like men, are ingrained to want to have a man, and will not bust your balls IF (very important!) you take control from the start. Latina women live at home until and unless they get married so they are really most comfortable taking directions and letting daddy, older brother, or YOU make all the decisions. Ask them if they want to eat at restaurant X or restaurant Y, listen to their opinion, and then say, "Well, let's go to Y." And so forth.
Then when (not "if") you get them in bed, don't be all like um um um could you maybe um ... (like you would do with an American woman).
'Cuz they don't like that!
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[QUOTE=Johan007]OOO boy...you realy (obviously) never stayed in germany to see how german women "interact" with men.....
jeeezzzzzz...these critters are in to "sex and the city"and Ally Macbeal crap big time....
cheaper????less bad attitude????
LOL
NFW
EEW cheap??? I kindda doubt that. You ever been in Moscow or any other large eastern european capital??? Let me tell you something: THEY ARE FAR FROM CHEAP!!
strong euro??? OOO man did you know we pay USD 7.30 for a gallon of gas???? Housing is very very expensive...for a normal small house (not a new one)you pay 130.000 euros..!!!! hows that? Many married collegues ENVY me...becoz I can go 1-2 times a year on a fuck trip...wereas they only can go to Turkey for 2 weks in an all in resort with their BUTT ugly wifes.....!!
if you go to a *****house( a club) you pay at least 100 Euros for an hour of FS.....and if you don't give her at least 2 drinks.....well you will see how a "dead fish"is like!!!! been there done that.....
thats why idecided to spend my cash in south america.....there i can fuck a 22 yo MILF.....that looks tasty and yummy.....;-) less money...and way better attitude....tell you that!
LOL
Johan[/QUOTE]
180,000US for a house in Germany??!!! Wow, in NYC, I can't get an apartment even in Brooklyn or Queens for that little. Oh I have been to Germany, I was in Dusseldorf, there are a lot of good FKK clubs in that part of the country, many of the women were Eastern European and the service was excellent, it was as little as 40US dollars for a good time. I also went to the Ukraine and Poland and good quality was cheap too.
I agree Moscow is super expensive but there are dozens of other places in the former Eastern bloc.
I also agree South America has excellent p4p.
I honestly have not seen too many white women with Asian guys, its a lot more common the other way around, maybe 20 to 1.
I was quite impressed with the quality of public transportation in Dusseldorf, it was easy to get to almost all the brothels there by bus or train, and that should say a lot because I from NYC, even NY's public transport is shit, and I do know gas costs $7 plus a gallon in Europe, but there is no parking there anyway, and more people use diesel over there and smaller cars.
I would say though that Latin America or the former Eastern bloc would be better for pussy than Germany, but still there are good options in Germany compared to other Western countries. Everything in the US is illegal, up north in Canada, there is Montreal but Germany is better for a Western country.
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I just helped set my ex up earlier this year in Parkchester in a 2 bdrm condo. Cost was $170k. And that's CHEAP, cheap for the BRONX!!!! Damn, I think I need to move to Germany ;)
Montreal is better all around for women than anywhere I've been in the US, but outside of Quebec the rest of Canada is even WORSE. And Montreal just like NYC really has its best days for sex behind it. Back when NYC was great Montreal was great too.
Dickhead, I agree 100% with what you said in that last post. The only point where you and I differ is that you think AW have it made over here, and I think they are just as miserable as the men are.
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I must be extremely good looking or lucky, because I hooked up with a gorgeous Ukrainian living in Germany this summer, no way in hell I would meet a woman like that in NYC unless I was Donald Trump. Despite being gorgeous she was pretty much a feet on the ground type of person, lived like a normal person.
French Canadian women are pretty good but elsewhere in Canada, forget it.
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Oh, I agree they are miserable even though they have it made. They are so fucking spoiled they can never be happy. Upper class and upper-middle class women are like that down here sometimes, too. You look at a Latin American woman from a wealthy family, you never saw anything so spoiled in your life. But they still are better fucks than AWs of similar social class. This is a key point. AWs are spoiled *****es who can't fuck their way out of a dry cleaning bag. Rich Latinas are spoiled *****es who will fuck you until you bleed out your ears.
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What's in your wallet?
[QUOTE=Sasha Coffee]MILF
Oh help I am MILF. Please let me defend my breed just a bit. All MILF are not self obsessed man haters.
I love men. I don't expect them to pay for my dinner. I don't expect them to do all the chasing and I certainly don't expect all the men I got to bed with to be under 30. I also don't have any female health problems.
Yes I am proud to say I am nearing the end of child bearing age. I don't think this is a problem. In fact I think its a plus. There are many men out there who have been trapped into child support by a young girl looking for an easy road. I am past that game or the urge to breed to trap any young man. If a man finds me attractive no matter what his age I will take him on his merits not his wallet.
Maybe this is something that us girls from Down Under in Australia and New Zealand do and your northern hemisphere girls have forgotten or maybe they are just far to money orientated. That is why the Eastern European the South American and Asian girls are still so attractive. Like us girls from Down Under they still respect men.[/QUOTE]
Sasha,
Perhaps you’re not like that but that seems to be the general attitude among women above 30 yrs of age in the US. If they haven’t caught Prince Charming by then they are really pissed off at the world and even the attractive ones are full of bitterness and bile. These women hold off on having children or marrying in hopes of getting some rich prince who never comes along or, who cums and flees for dear life.
Capital One has a credit card commercial on TV where a woman kisses a frog that turns into a weasel. She looks at the weasel in disgust and exclaims, “You’re no rich prince!” The weasel explains that rich prince rewards start after a certain number of kisses has been given. She continues giving kisses to only to have subsequent animal transformations add different terms and conditions necessary to achieve transformation into a rich prince. The woman finally gives up in a fit of anger and walks off as a satyr tells her, “But you’re only one kiss away!” This pretty much sums up the American MILF.
Yesterday, I went to the grocery store and was checked out by cashier who had one of the most beautiful faces I’ve ever seen. She had lovely intense blues eyes with long luxurious lashes and pert pink lips. Her long curly black tresses reached down to her shoulders. She made small talk with me as she rang up and bagged my items. This would have been highly unlikely to happen except for the fact that she was about 30 lbs overweight. If she was skinny, all other things being equal, she would have most likely limited her interaction to a plastic smile while simultaneously deploying the b*tch shield to deflect any possible interest from male customers. However, the extra 30 lbs made sure that she didn’t have to worry about that and she could therefore be nice. That is the sad reality here in the US. I kind of wondered what her story was because the weight appeared to be from a past pregnancy and if she dropped it she could easily be in high demand by guys willing to marry and support her. The absence of a diamond ring on the hand also shocked me because skinny women who can’t hold a candle to her looks in this area are easily snagging doctors and lawyers. Even slim but otherwise homely ones sport huge pieces of ice on the left ring finger.
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Dickhead I think you nailed it with that last comment. I think the principal difference between North America and Latin America is that in Latin America people simply fuck more, albeit often behind closed doors. At least in the big cities, things are more sexually progressive in many ways than they are in North America in this day and age.
I don't however think it translates well for people looking for long-term relationships. As a guy looking for casual sex, you will have a much easier time in Latin America though, and it goes way beyond the exotic gringo thing or the perceived wealth too. Locals in Latin American cities not making much money at all do better than their US or Canadian counterparts too. Obviously p4p is MUCH better down there, due among other things to its being decriminalized.
But when it comes to long-term shit, money comes into play in Latin America as much or MORE than anywhere else in the world.
The two myths I think people buy about Latin American women is that a) they are non-materialistic anbd more apt to love you for who you are and b) that they are more submissive in nature. B is only true in the sack or on the dance floor.
To bring up a point I've seen played out a lot on various sections of this board... Latin women may very well be willing to let a guy fuck other girls, IF they are young and progressive and open-minded. The more traditionalist girls will NOT be down for something like that. And if you do hook up with a more open-minded girl, realize that what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander!!!!
My recommendation for somebody going down to Latin America to live an expat lifestyle would be first off LEARN THE LANGUAGE FLUENTLY, and then secondly, either stick to paying for it and be happy OR
Find a nice 30+ well-maintained woman who is not overly involved in some sexually repressive religion and just lay your cards on the table with her. She will agree to anything that's remotely fair and the two of you will probably give each other the best sex you've ever had!!
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I am under no illusions that Latinas are not materialistic, but the ones who are poor are used to doing without. However, I do believe they are more submissive by nature than AWs. Not in terms of being doormats, but they do expect the man to take charge and make the decisions. Decisions on everything from what restaurant to go to, to what hotel to stay in, where to go on vacation, all that stuff. I just bought one of my friends a pair of shoes for her birthday, and she could not decided between the green pair and the blue pair (of course, this was after hours of looking in 25 or 30 different stores). I said I thought the blue pair would go with more different outfits, and she chose it immediately. Then she told me she was nervous because she had never had a 200 peso ($60-65 US) pair of shoes on her feet before.
If you want a long-term relationship in Latin America (I don't), you will probably have to accept some other guy's kids in the process. Or even some other guys' kids. The single ones with no kids tend to be very independent and don't really need a gringo boyfriend.
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My two-cents worth
CBGBConnisur - you're the man!!
Dickhead - you're the man!!
Chocha Monger - you're the man!!
Bango Cheito - you're the man!!
Dickhead - you're the man!!
You guys are like my heroes in this forum LOL!!! Seriuosly, you guys couldn't nailed it on the head any better than you do. I totally agree with everything you guys individually (or as a group) have to say.
With regards to women in Latin America, it is true that they are nowhere near as sexually repressed nor do they use sex as a bargaining tool to the extend and degree AW / Americanized Women do here in the Sex / Pussy Prison. Even the real hot ones and /or better-off economically ones are more approachable than most AW (including the fat and fugly).
I agree with Dickhead in that they are not necessarily doormats but they do expect for you to take command of most things (i.e. important decisions and what-not) especially when it comes down to things / issues where your money comes into play. And unlike AW who are totally spoiled and expect everything for nothing (read: Princess syndrome) they actually appreciate and respect you for being a man. Manliness has not been eliminated from social life in LA as it has been here in the Sex / Pussy Prison. They will definitely respect you for taking charge from the start but will not if you act like the typical pussified and castrated AM.
When I arrive in LA, I unfortunately usually carry that pussified / chump AM attitude with me and it is not until I have warmed-up to how things should really be done, that I don't see the real benefits with the local women there - the way men down there are used to dealing with. That's when typically I stop getting burned and hosed and start doing things to my advantage and benefit. That's when things really get interesting for me he..he..he.. It's like you still very much have that MACHO culture and thus therefor women expect that sort of attitude / behavior from you (to a certain extend, ofcourse). You definitely need to be assertive and confident when dealing with women in LA as they not only expect this from you (as I already mentioned) but they will also respect you for it. And the benefits from such behavior are usually rewarded and not punished as they are in our beloved Sex / Pussy Prison.
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latin women..etc..some remarks
well i want to make some remarks on how i think about latin women. (and i do speak spanish...and yes i was in several la countries and yes i do know their culture all too well)
1) latin women are in general not submissive....infact they are quite the opposite from submissive. try to loock em up....and they run away!!!
2) lw are materialistic.....oooo yes...money talks...status is everything for them. many women even have 2 cell phones or shit like that.
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lw need to learn how tu use a condom;-) for sure i will not marry any women with kids of another guy. (i think i will not marry any woman...at all..!!! why???) not even if she is a straight 10 and fucks my dick off every day. i will not pay for other mens kids nore entangle myself in their raising. most of the latins with kids are never been married before. (madres solteras)
in many countries even girls of 18 or 19 have kids..!!! here that surely is a rarity...becoz most women get their first kid at 26-27 or even older...
in that way latin men are very clever...and fuck em without a condom. and the women let them get away with it....very stupid imho. a gringo that marries any latina with allreday kids (with all respect) is imho a total morron and must be very desperate. because not many latin men will marry such a woman.
on that point i pay my respect to latin men......and if i ever emigarte to la i will surely adapt fast to their live style;-) fuck....have fun.....but not marry;-)
4) you guys forget that in europa (at least in germany) the wages are on average 30-40% less then in the us;-). yes you read that right....!!...so yes if you are alone....a house of 130.000 euros is expensive....becoz it's fucking small. spending 40-60 % from your nett income on morgage is quite normal here.
just ask any us gi that was in europe....the fist thing they are complaining about is the size of the houses and the exspenive gasoline!!!!!!!!!!!
let me tell you this....if you pay 7 bucks for a gallon you very soon sell your suv...for a small car;-)
on the other hand on german highways there are no speed limits:-) well at least in most regions. i always can see at their cars if they just have arrived in europe...becoz they have scracthes and bumps on the car everywere....lol.....big car....small parking space,,,,get it?? most americans always drive like snails on the autobahn....after they been here after 4-6 months they start to drive faster:-)
trust me...i live very close to a us airbase in germany and in my small town are living many us and canadian militairy staff so i know what i am talking about.
5) i wouldn't even want my worst enemy to ahve a average german wife. they are fat....ugly....very assertive...and materialistic. and sex???? ooo maybe once a week 20 min if you are lucky.
butt fuking???? forget it with most women here....they see that as an abnormality. only small minorities will like that. just like bj's. on the whole they are very conservative....not open mindend. sure maybe some young chicks in large cities are different......but i gues if you are in your late thirties or maybe early forties you don't stand a change with 19 yo german girls;-)
untill then i go 1-2 times a year on a fuck trip to la...:-) and maybe in 2-3 years i will settle down in paraguay or another country there in la.
my 2 euro cents.
johan
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I term women with children "damaged goods"
Some of us will still buy products that have broken packaging for example, its normal... You are hoping for a discount on the product that is why.
Women with Children as such are an item in the "People Store", usually in the discounted section :)
In most progressively sexual countries you have plenty of single mothers out there. In Europe it tends to be women in their late 20's and 30's. In Latin America it tends to be late teens to mid 20's.
C'mon the local Latinas DO THAT duh!
And being the Catholics they are, they don't use Condoms...
Yes it is not the smartest thing on earth to be responsible for another man's child; however, for example in the case with the Ukrainian woman that wants to be my wife (not up to my look standards, sorry) *yes the same one I fucked on my trip to Europe* Oxana is only 1 years old. In cases like this, she'll only know YOU as Daddy, especially if you move from where she is from...
Other women don't have their children's father involved with them either, so its not always GLOOM and DOOM, you have chance to raise a productive member of human race, nothing wrong with that.
I desire to be a first time parent and that decision is pushing me eastward...
It seems only Eastern European women are the only Caucasians left that -
Don't have a problem with my age (37)
Don't care where I work as long as I work (the subject of where I work NEVER COMES UP)
In Western Europe its not as bad as the US in on several levels, however it seems I can't pull anybody under 30 anymore, then again I really didn't TRY that much to my sampling isn't that great and requires another trip or two over there to see just what I can pull.
I wasn't repulsed by a German girl or the Brit chick both students and under 25 (had lunch with both at different times). Not like the foxy recent grad from NC@Chapel Hill that wanted more in-depth information about my career choice and when I wouldn't go into deeper detail, she was miffed and "was going to bed".
I still look at local personals only because it would make things ALOT easier after all. With the current admin it is difficult to bring in EE women and its not an overnight process, which is why I want to sink my teeth deeper into Western Europe and HOW did I miss Denmark??? lol No problem bringing home your Germany, Dutch, Danish, Norwegian or Swedish wifey. In fact I could more than likely pull from Slovakia and not have any vista issues...
I'm sure my co-workers think I am crazy for doing this, but what do they know -
D* married for 30 years, wife in menpause, wants OUT
M* separated from wife, 2 kids
S* married, 2 kids
E* unmarried, lives with mother of his 2 children (under 25)
I should mention all but D* are Latino, draw your own conclusions...
Off-Topic -
Where's BART9000, Boondocks Season 2 is on CN!
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Another great reason to avoid AW's with kids is that there have been recent US court decisions ordering a man to pay child support for kids who, even though they were not his biological or adopted kids, he lived with the woman for a couple years before splitting and the kids saw him as "dad", so he was obligated financially until 18!
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The wedding's off -- see you in court!
This guy has got to be a big idiot!!!!
Instead of walking down the aisle of a church, a former New York couple will traipse down the aisle of a court room to settle a fight over a $48,800 diamond engagement ring.
Dean Kuehnen Jr. is suing his ex-fiance, Andria Castellano, to compel her to either return the ring or give him cash -- as well as cover his legal fees and costs, according to the complaint filed in New York State Court.
Castellano has threatened to sell or destroy the 3.23-carat ring, even though the couple agreed the ring would be returned to Kuehnen if their engagement was ever broken off, the complaint says.
Both were 21 years old when they became engaged in December last year, but by September this year the wedding was off.
"The sole and exclusive consideration, motivation and reason for buying the ring was the contemplated marriage," the complaint says.
Attempts to contact Castellano were unsuccessful.
According to the United States' Emily Post Institute that offers etiquette and manners advice, "if an engagement is broken, the bride should immediately return the ring to her former fiance."
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I met an upper class Brazilian girl who is studying in Australia, many bratty kids of Brazilian elites live in Australia, I have never met such a nose in air attitude in my life, at the same time I ran into a UA flight attendant from Oklahoma who was totally down to Earth, but an anamoly for an American woman.
Not everyone in Latin America is downtrodden and dirt poor, the rich in that part of the world can be ultra wealthy, especially Brazilians. There are many Asian women who also very pre-Madonna. Still they represent a small portion of their respective societies. With American females, the upper middle class suburbia brat is the most common that you run into.
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It should be remembered Latin America is a big place, and the difference between urban and rural is VAST, as is the difference between countries.
The DR is very socially conservative, and condoms aren't the norm there. But Colombia on the other hand is very much behind the condom, at least in the bigger cities. They do have teen pregnancies in Bogota, especially in the poorer areas, but in general people wait till their 20s or even early 30s to have kids just like they do in NA. And that macho attitude would NOT go over very well in Bogota, at least not with my circle.
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[QUOTE=Astor Bryan]
Instead of walking down the aisle of a church, a former New York couple will traipse down the aisle of a court room to settle a fight over a $48,800 diamond engagement ring...According to the United States' Emily Post Institute that offers etiquette and manners advice, "if an engagement is broken, the bride should immediately return the ring to her former fiance."[/QUOTE]
Of course, he's an idiot for buying the huge ring in the first place. Not only basic decency dictates the ring must be returned, but there's ample legal precedent that says the same, no matter whose "fault" the breakup is. But try telling that to an angry AW on the rampage. And in this increasingly female-dominated country, I wouldn't be surprised if the b**** won in court.
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[QUOTE=Yogin]Another great reason to avoid AW's with kids is that there have been recent US court decisions ordering a man to pay child support for kids who, even though they were not his biological or adopted kids, he lived with the woman for a couple years before splitting and the kids saw him as "dad", so he was obligated financially until 18![/QUOTE]
I understand why the state wants someone to pay, kids are expensive and raising them takes a lot of time and resources. From a state perspective it's better to get the kids off the rolls of, say, SCHIP and other government programs where everyone pays for raising the kid. So, I'm sympathetic to the stickiness of American women with kids. I can see where it makes sense from a policy perspective and, in theory, it helps keep my tax bill down.
As a guy, you just need to be aware of how much you are exposing yourself to practical risks when you hang out with AWs. The US has reciprocal child support arrangements with these countries -Australia, Canada, Czech Republic, El Salvador, Finland, Hungary, Ireland, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Slovak Republic and Switzerland. So, you need to be aware that when you are dealing with women from these countries the state has a longer reach into your personal life.
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Jesus H Christ... time to snip that shit!@
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What the state is doing by being so heavy-handed with boyfriends and live-ins, will in the end result drive away guys who could serve as good male role models, their not wanting to be stuck with a bill for a kid who's not theirs. Good male figures will lessen the likelihood of a kid leaving school, becoming a criminal, the kid having a baby at 16, or some other drain on society. So there's a "cost" to this new idiotic policy too. If the state really cares about the problem they should go after the real father (which they do and that's fine with me), or better yet improve sex education, and make the morning after pill and condoms free to all and distributed on every street corner. But no, the fanatical religious retards who have such a huge voice in public policy won't allow that. "Teach abstinance, that is the only way." Inevitable result is a lot of unwanted kids.
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[QUOTE=Yogin]What the state is doing by being so heavy-handed with boyfriends and live-ins, will in the end result drive away guys who could serve as good male role models, their not wanting to be stuck with a bill for a kid who's not theirs. Good male figures will lessen the likelihood of a kid leaving school, becoming a criminal, the kid having a baby at 16, or some other drain on society. So there's a "cost" to this new idiotic policy too. If the state really cares about the problem they should go after the real father (which they do and that's fine with me), or better yet improve sex education, and make the morning after pill and condoms free to all and distributed on every street corner. But no, the fanatical religious retards who have such a huge voice in public policy won't allow that. "Teach abstinance, that is the only way." Inevitable result is a lot of unwanted kids.[/QUOTE]
Bill Cosby and Dr. Alvin Poussaint of Harvard Medical School have a new book out that wants to bring Black fathers back into the Black family and out of jail, unemployment, drug scene, etc. A few critics of the book have correctly argued that blaming Black men or focusing on them as the main problem is counter-productive. While the US has welfare laws that reward single mothers and punish fathers who stay in the family, and while family court laws are lenient on mothers who fail to parent in the best interests of their children (Brittany Spears notwithstanding), men (Black men) will always be teetering on the edge, ready to fall out of the family at the slightest nudge.
The US made laws to protect women and mothers when the actually needed protection. Society has since evolved and women do not need as extensive protection but the laws haven't changed.
I don't think public policy will catch up to reality until reality knocks the US on its ass. The dollar is falling against all major currencies. The dollar price of oil is skyrocketing. Our idiotic Congress made an enemy out of a friend by catering to a special interest group, so now Turkey is going to invade northern Iraq to stop Kurdish insurgents. The real estate debacle is spreading to other industries like heavy machinery (Caterpillar), furniture building, and home appliance manufacturing causing serious job loss. Tens of thousands of homeowners are in foreclosure and tens of thousands more are in the pipeline. This is the reality and the family needs help to deal with it. Yet, we still bash men as if we are to blame for all of the US's ills.
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The American Dream?
[QUOTE=George90]Bill Cosby and Dr. Alvin Poussaint of Harvard Medical School have a new book out that wants to bring Black fathers back into the Black family and out of jail, unemployment, drug scene, etc. A few critics of the book have correctly argued that blaming Black men or focusing on them as the main problem is counter-productive. While the US has welfare laws that reward single mothers and punish fathers who stay in the family, and while family court laws are lenient on mothers who fail to parent in the best interests of their children (Brittany Spears notwithstanding), men (Black men) will always be teetering on the edge, ready to fall out of the family at the slightest nudge.
The US made laws to protect women and mothers when the actually needed protection. Society has since evolved and women do not need as extensive protection but the laws haven't changed.
I don't think public policy will catch up to reality until reality knocks the US on its ass. The dollar is falling against all major currencies. The dollar price of oil is skyrocketing. Our idiotic Congress made an enemy out of a friend by catering to a special interest group, so now Turkey is going to invade northern Iraq to stop Kurdish insurgents. The real estate debacle is spreading to other industries like heavy machinery (Caterpillar), furniture building, and home appliance manufacturing causing serious job loss. Tens of thousands of homeowners are in foreclosure and tens of thousands more are in the pipeline. This is the reality and the family needs help to deal with it. Yet, we still bash men as if we are to blame for all of the US's ills.[/QUOTE]
I been living overseas the last 3 years sometimes longing to return to the US but the more I read and hear stuff like this it makes the US more and more a undesirable future destination. Me being young and black just magnifies the situation.
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Just the Facts, Please
[QUOTE=George90]The real estate debacle is spreading to other industries like heavy machinery (Caterpillar), furniture building, and home appliance manufacturing causing serious job loss.[/QUOTE]Well, Bpd81, don't believe everything that you read here. Why George90 singled out Caterpillar of all companies,
I have no idea, since on Friday they announced record profits for the third quarter:
"PEORIA, Ill. (AP) -- Caterpillar says its third-quarter earnings are up 21 percent. The construction equipment maker
is citing strength in its integrated service business, which combines financial services, parts, logistics and other operations.
"Caterpillar earned $927 million, or $1.40 per share, in the third quarter. That's compared with $769 million, or $1.14 per
share, a year ago. Revenue increased nine percent to more than $11.4 billion, from about $10.5 billion during last year's third quarter.
"But the company also cut its full-year outlook. It now expects to earn $5.20 to $5.60 per share. That's down from its previous
guidance of $5.30 to $5.80."
source: [url]http://www.wjbc.com/wire2/news/07973_CatProfitsWEB_081152.htm[/url]
Okay, so they backed off their most optimistic projection for the year by a dime. Companies play with the
numbers all the time so they can look like heroes if they beat the projection later. Regardless, it will still be
Caterpillar's best year ever.
Company profits go up and down. Big deal. Proves nothing.
DB
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snotty attitudes with latin women.
[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]I met an upper class Brazilian girl who is studying in Australia, many bratty kids of Brazilian elites live in Australia, I have never met such a nose in air attitude in my life, at the same time I ran into a UA flight attendant from Oklahoma who was totally down to Earth, but an anamoly for an American woman.
Not everyone in Latin America is downtrodden and dirt poor, the rich in that part of the world can be ultra wealthy, especially Brazilians. There are many Asian women who also very pre-Madonna. Still they represent a small portion of their respective societies. With American females, the upper middle class suburbia brat is the most common that you run into.[/QUOTE]
Well what can I say...if ye want to see a lot of snotty latinas...just fly to caracas...Bogota....Sao paulo...Rio...Santo Domingo or Mexico City...and you'll find them in the thousands!!! Sex and the city and Ally Mcbeal are their daily companions:-( Need I say more?
age??? I read somebody thinks he can't pull women under 30...when he is 37...thats true...alas...a fact:-(
In general in Western Europa the age difference with couples seldomly is bigger then 4-5 years.
As off lately women even tend to want YOUNGER men......and heee you know what....they get them too!!!!!!!!!!!! I am 41 yo and women of 35 (or younger) in general are NOT intrested in me. NOT even for one night stance...Even i do look good (even if I say so myself) and have a steady good paid job....and no debts or needing to pay child support!!
it's pathetic that female single (or divorced) moms can put their demands to guys without kids and having good jobs!!
I would NEVER even dream of settling down with a wife that allready has kids from another man.
NEVA EVA.
my 2 euro cents.
Johan
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It's one way to pay for the wedding. I'm sure her dad is very proud.
[url]http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2007/10/19/revisiting-the-lawyer-bride-who-sued-her-florist/[/url]
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[QUOTE=Jelly Donut]It's one way to pay for the wedding. I'm sure her dad is very proud.
[url]http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2007/10/19/revisiting-the-lawyer-bride-who-sued-her-florist/[/url][/QUOTE]
So, she's a woman (AW) and a lawyer, and she likes to take people to court with vengeful lawsuits. You gotta wonder if her new husband is feeling kind of nervous right now. :D
Rock
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in the last few days, there has been a series of articles in a local paper regardng "cougars".
in these articles, they put a really positive spin on these so-called cougars. i read all kinds of positive comments like "these women know what they want", "older divorced women are in demand", "when you get to be in your 40's who cares what society thinks" etc. etc. there's also a line where a cougar is defined as an older woman who has "tossed aside the traditional rule book for romance and dates younger men".
then comes the other stuff. there are quotes from women who claim the are still hot and need a younger guy who can keep up with them.
so..... middle aged women want to have casual sex with guys 10 or 15 years younger? fine! i'm all for it as long as everybody is having fun and getting laid.
the thing that pisses me off is when i imagine the reaction if these articles were about older men going after younger women. one can only imagine the howls of protest from all the outraged feminists if there was a story about how good looking men in their 40's wanted women in their 20's because that made them feel good about themselves.
in fact, this same paper ran a series of stories about some guys in the dominican republic who were doing exactly that. they dragged out every negative stereotype you could imagine...... falling just short of labeling the men as ****s.
so i ask, why the double standard?
oh, and of course those cougar articles were written by a woman.
rock
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Cougars-yikes!
[QUOTE=Rock Dog]In the last few days, there has been a series of articles in a local paper regardng "cougars".
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I have to admit I am so out of touch, I had never heard of this term "Cougars", so I googled it, and the only thing that came back were sports articles that referred to teams called the cougars. So I googled "cougars" and "divorced" and found this gem of an article. I'm not going to repost it here, but you can click on the link below to read it. I must WARN everyone on here though, the article includes a picture of three "Cougars", and these women are nasty looking! I mean, they would make a Warthog dry heave! I was going to eat dinner in a few minutes, but after reading this article and looking at the photo, I'm downing a bottle of Pepto and calling it a night; thanks a lot, Rock Dog!
[url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/femail/article.html?in_article_id=462941&in_page_id=1879[/url]
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I could totally dig an older well-preserved woman who keeps herself in shape and doesn't look like a train wreck, but the three troglodytes in the pic for that article don't qualify as well taken care of by even the biggest stretch of an overactime imagination :P
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[QUOTE=Ezinho]I have to admit I am so out of touch, I had never heard of this term "Cougars", so I googled it, and the only thing that came back were sports articles that referred to teams called the cougars. So I googled "cougars" and "divorced" and found this gem of an article. I'm not going to repost it here, but you can click on the link below to read it. I must WARN everyone on here though, the article includes a picture of three "Cougars", and these women are nasty looking! I mean, they would make a Warthog dry heave! I was going to eat dinner in a few minutes, but after reading this article and looking at the photo, I'm downing a bottle of Pepto and calling it a night; thanks a lot, Rock Dog!
[url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/femail/article.html?in_article_id=462941&in_page_id=1879[/url][/QUOTE]
These "cougars" look more like weather beaten sows to me! I find it hard to believe that young men in their twenties, even thirties, will actually consider copulating with any of those frowzy hags unless a considerable sum of money and a burlap sack to be used as a hood were involved. There are a few things that these women seem to be ignoring like what will happen once the young guy decides he wants to have some children of his own. Then going to gym and botox can only go so far. Eventually, the wrinkles, flab, varicose veins, cellulite, hair loss, menopause, vaginal dryness, hot flashes, age spots, sagging mammaries, and crow's feet will catch up to them. One can only imagine how territorial these cougars get when some young tart gets close their prey.
The cougar's intention for their young prey has been revealed in the article. Basically, they're looking for a young caretaker. I'd advise them to invest their money in a good long term care policy because once the youngsters realize that they have to take their cougar to the toilet and wipe her ass they'll be out the door in a flash. One also complained that she was looking for a relationship while young men wanted sex. Hmm... can you see a problem emerging here?
I've known a few American cougars and seen the quality of the young men they are able to attract. Basically, they get the guys who don't stand a chance of getting laid by women their own age and can't afford to pay for it. The author would like us to believe that these women have their pick of young rich investment bankers. Yeah, right! I noticed that no mention was made of the numerous British cougars who prowl Jamaican beaches in search of the big bamboo. Those young guys are wasting their time dusting off those old rugs. Once someone told me that the old ones work just fine if you pour in a quart of oil before the ride but I still find that hard to believe.
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Off topic sorry, but construction is booming in the rest of the world, especially china-india-russia-middle-east-far-east.... and those people are reinvesting in africa and south america as well.
[QUOTE=Dodger Bulldog]Well, Bpd81, don't believe everything that you read here. Why George90 singled out Caterpillar of all companies,
I have no idea, since on Friday they announced record profits for the third quarter:
"PEORIA, Ill. (AP) -- Caterpillar says its third-quarter earnings are up 21 percent. The construction equipment maker
is citing strength in its integrated service business, which combines financial services, parts, logistics and other operations.
"Caterpillar earned $927 million, or $1.40 per share, in the third quarter. That's compared with $769 million, or $1.14 per
share, a year ago. Revenue increased nine percent to more than $11.4 billion, from about $10.5 billion during last year's third quarter.
"But the company also cut its full-year outlook. It now expects to earn $5.20 to $5.60 per share. That's down from its previous
guidance of $5.30 to $5.80."
source: [url]http://www.wjbc.com/wire2/news/07973_CatProfitsWEB_081152.htm[/url]
Okay, so they backed off their most optimistic projection for the year by a dime. Companies play with the
numbers all the time so they can look like heroes if they beat the projection later. Regardless, it will still be
Caterpillar's best year ever.
Company profits go up and down. Big deal. Proves nothing.
DB[/QUOTE]
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I'd believe it
[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]I find it hard to believe that young men in their twenties, even thirties, will actually consider copulating with any of those frowzy hags unless a considerable sum of money and a burlap sack to be used as a hood were involved. [/QUOTE]
I'd believe it - I've seen a mid 40s woman pashing on with a mid 20s decent looking guy, and he was lucky compared to most of the guys! About a 60:40 mix in the guys favour in the pub that night.
Falling in the middle of those age brackets, and being too old obviously for the mid 20s down girl, there is no hope here.
Though the asians keep telling me I'm at the right age (asians from asia that is) so there is only one place to go...
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Those three cougars are certainly hideous, but if they were to visit Jamaica they could find some impoverished handsome very young men who will do their bidding. The media glorifies such sex tourism.
While I freely confess to having done women this age, they were slender, fit, and still good-looking. These hags would have to pay me, put a bag over their heads, and even then I couldn't promise getting it up!
Or they find domestic desparate young schmucks who can't get anyone their own age and who consider themselves lucky simply to get laid, even if she's old fat & ugly! Geez, standards for what constitutes a doable female are so low here. Gotta go to Asia again!
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The Saying That.......................
[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]I could totally dig an older well-preserved woman who keeps herself in shape and doesn't look like a train wreck, but the three troglodytes in the pic for that article don't qualify as well taken care of by even the biggest stretch of an overactime imagination :P[/QUOTE]" She is so ugly, the tide wouldn´t take her out ! " really applies to these bison. Obviously physical attractiveness does not enter into many men´s requirement for a sex partner.Have you ever cruised the Photo Gallery in the USA Sex Guide ? Fucking scary monsters!
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[QUOTE=Kiwi 69]" She is so ugly, the tide wouldn´t take her out ! " really applies to these bison. Obviously physical attractiveness does not enter into many men´s requirement for a sex partner.Have you ever cruised the Photo Gallery in the USA Sex Guide ? Fucking scary monsters![/QUOTE]
There is no accounting for taste no matter where you are in the world. Even what many posters in the "Slavic" forums would have you believe they banged the hottest model chicks you have ever seen.
When the photos are posted, c'mon they are 6-7's at best, only things going for them otherwise is they aren't American and they are skinny.
Traveling several thousands of miles to experience women 10-15 years younger than you is only available outside the US as even desperate American women are willing wait for this jailed father of their children instead of dating you. On another forum some woman told me that 30-37 [i]is[/i] my age range and that I should deal with it.
While she didn't attack my desire to meet women outside of the US, that normal American woman defense mechanizim (sp?) to call me a looser almost came out, but came up short.
The fact remains -
You can date 10-12 years your Jr very EASY outside North America. If you push you can even get it up to 15 years (for me that's 22) and many of these women are nfind with that, because your beyond (sometimes) a maturity level that many men their own country or even within 5-10 years of their own age do not share.
Though it is changing, Slavic/Latina women want to marry and bear children EARLY.
Older men (especially western men) can handle that more readily than younger men (Locally) and that's attractive.
Being cute and having style are a bonus...
Its an interesting dynamic...
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]I could totally dig an older well-preserved woman who keeps herself in shape and doesn't look like a train wreck, but the three troglodytes in the pic for that article don't qualify as well taken care of by even the biggest stretch of an overactime imagination :P[/QUOTE]
Well, since MOST men are basically pansies, I'm pretty sure these ladies won't have a problem finding men (as in most men on this board) looking to fuck 'em....sad but true!!!!!
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[QUOTE=Dodger Bulldog]Well, Bpd81, don't believe everything that you read here. Why George90 singled out Caterpillar of all companies,
I have no idea, since on Friday they announced record profits for the third quarter:
DB[/QUOTE]
I singled out Caterpillar because I had just read a business article that quoted Caterpillar as having a negative outlook because it felt the housing slowdown was spreading to other industries, including its own.
That it reported records profits is great!
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For those guys thinking of marriage here are some Testimonials of Despair.
"I should have known better. Single life, I thought at the time, was wearing thin on my sanity. If I'd only known what was in store for me once I got married I would have hung myself a long time ago..."
G.R. - Toledo, Ohio
"I was in love. I thought she'd make the perfect wife. We'd get married, buy a house, have children and live the American dream. The reality was we got hitched, foreclosed on the house within a year, she got pregnant but not by me and I lived the Communist nightmare."
D.T. - Gainesville, Florida
I'd like to think that I did the best I could and that I was the best husband I could be. But somehow the b*tch just never accepted me for who I was. I felt strangled. I couldn't stop looking at other women and in the end it killed our relationship. It was all for the better though. I'm dating again and being single again is like the feeling you get when you are forcibly held underwater till you're near death then are suddenly allowed to come up for air. Thank you Jesus!"
N.S. - Tyler, Texas
"Everyone kept asking me when I was gonna get married. I was nervous but loved my boyfriend so we tied the knot. He beat me like a rag doll. We divorced in 6 months."
K. L. - Providence, Rhode Island
"It wasn't enough for us to live together, or so she insisted so we got married 3 years ago. Things went into the crapper almost immediately and I found myself staying out later and later every night. Eventually I turned to the bottle and I've been divorced and in A.A. ever since."
J. F. - Scottsdale, Arizona
"The next sum-***** who tells me that marriage is what you make of it is going to hear me roar. I made the best of what is an inherantly corrupt institution - marriage."
K. P. - Daytona, Florida
"I really thought marriage was the answer to all my hopes and dreams. I married a beautiful woman. We got ourselves settled and I landed a great job. Things were great at first, then good, then just ok. Finally, within about 5 years I didn't recognize myself in the mirror anymore. I went into a deep self-loathing and my wife never forgave me for the numerous affairs I had. We divorced recently and I can't help but feel that the damage is permanent."
N.W - Grand Rapids, Michigan
"All the pain I've gone through over the past 9 years of marriage can be traced back to two words I said - 'I DO'..."
A.G - Duluth, Minnesota
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[QUOTE=Astor Bryan]For those guys thinking of marriage here are some Testimonials of Despair.
"I should have known better. Single life, I thought at the time, was wearing thin on my sanity. If I'd only known what was in store for me once I got married I would have hung myself a long time ago..."
G.R. - Toledo, Ohio
"I was in love. I thought she'd make the perfect wife. We'd get married, buy a house, have children and live the American dream. The reality was we got hitched, foreclosed on the house within a year, she got pregnant but not by me and I lived the Communist nightmare."
D.T. - Gainesville, Florida
I'd like to think that I did the best I could and that I was the best husband I could be. But somehow the b*tch just never accepted me for who I was. I felt strangled. I couldn't stop looking at other women and in the end it killed our relationship. It was all for the better though. I'm dating again and being single again is like the feeling you get when you are forcibly held underwater till you're near death then are suddenly allowed to come up for air. Thank you Jesus!"
N.S. - Tyler, Texas
"Everyone kept asking me when I was gonna get married. I was nervous but loved my boyfriend so we tied the knot. He beat me like a rag doll. We divorced in 6 months."
K. L. - Providence, Rhode Island
"It wasn't enough for us to live together, or so she insisted so we got married 3 years ago. Things went into the crapper almost immediately and I found myself staying out later and later every night. Eventually I turned to the bottle and I've been divorced and in A.A. ever since."
J. F. - Scottsdale, Arizona
"The next sum-***** who tells me that marriage is what you make of it is going to hear me roar. I made the best of what is an inherantly corrupt institution - marriage."
K. P. - Daytona, Florida
"I really thought marriage was the answer to all my hopes and dreams. I married a beautiful woman. We got ourselves settled and I landed a great job. Things were great at first, then good, then just ok. Finally, within about 5 years I didn't recognize myself in the mirror anymore. I went into a deep self-loathing and my wife never forgave me for the numerous affairs I had. We divorced recently and I can't help but feel that the damage is permanent."
N.W - Grand Rapids, Michigan
"All the pain I've gone through over the past 9 years of marriage can be traced back to two words I said - 'I DO'..."
A.G - Duluth, Minnesota[/QUOTE]
Okay -
Firstly marriage is not an answer to any dream you have. Its companionship, friendship and sexual relationship; nothing more, nothing less and if you expect more you'll be setting yourself up for disappointment.
The next to last one is a laugher. She never forgave him for his numerous affairs?
What did he get married for????
That is a mistake men generally make, they use the woman they are married too a place holder. A ready made sexually partner for whenever you feel you want to fuck.
Not shocked if she took him to the cleaners he deserved it.
Look, I am not defending American women's behavior its generally BAD, however you do not need to give them ammo or add fuel to the argument.
Dating would work better if more men cleaned up their act. If you want to bang pro's and date various women don't get married, pretty simple. I'll never forget my boy Rob was jones'in to get married. He found a beautiful girl that felt the same way, bam in less than 9 months they were married, inside of one year she was pregnant.
They have been married for 10 years, have 3 children and he loves her dealy and she feels the same about him.
He is a member of the Local Teamsters for Grips and Lighting in Hollywood, worked on the Golden Girls and works on ER now.
It doesn't take much its just about being HONEST with yourself, not enough are...
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[QUOTE=Astor Bryan]Well, since MOST men are basically pansies, I'm pretty sure these ladies won't have a problem finding men (as in most men on this board) looking to fuck 'em....sad but true!!!!![/QUOTE]
Actually I am not even remotely interested in old hags, the stunnas over 40 demand the best looking men, up to 10 years younger than them so the story is the same no matter the age group your talking about.
There many women that look dayum good to be 40 years old, but they want Harrison Ford types themselves or if your like Demi somebody Auston's age.
So your still SOL if your average to slightly better than average looking. Also more often that not women making the kind of money to keep them ahead of the aging process earn the kind of income that allows them to hang out in social circles most of us are NOT apart of.
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The wife came home early and found her husband in their bedroom making
love to a very attractive young woman. And was somewhat upset. 'You are a
disrespectful pig!' she cried. 'How dare you do this to me -- a faithful
wife, the mother of your children! I'm leaving you. I want a divorce
straight away !' And the husband replied 'Hang on just a minute love, so
at least I can tell you what happened.' 'Fine, go ahead,' she sobbed, ' but
they'll be the last words you'll say to me!' ; And the husband began --
'Well, I was getting into the car to drive home and this young lady here
asked me for a lift. She looked so down and out and defenseless that I
took pity on her and let her into the car. I noticed that she was very
thin, not well dressed and very dirty. She told me that she hadn't eaten
for three days ! So, in my compassion, I brought her home and warmed up
the enchiladas I made for you last night, the ones you wouldn't eat
because you're afraid you'll put on weight. The poor thing devoured them
in moments. Since she needed a good clean up I suggested a shower, and
while she was doing that I noticed her clothes were dirty and full of
holes so I threw them away. Then, as she needed clothes, I gave her the
designer jeans that you have had for a few years, but don't use because
you say they are too tight. I also gave her the underwear that was your
anniversary present,which you don't use because I don't have good taste. I
found the sexy blouse my sister gave you for Christmas that you don't use
just to annoy her, and I also donated those boots you bought at the
expensive boutique and don't use because someone at work has a pair of the
same.'
The husband took a quick breath and continued - 'She was so grateful for
my understanding and help and as I walked her to the door she turned to me
with tears in her eyes and said, 'Please do you have anything else that
your wife doesn't use?'
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[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]Okay. Firstly marriage is not an answer to any dream you have. Its companionship, friendship and sexual relationship; nothing more, nothing less and if you expect more you'll be setting yourself up for disappointment.
The next to last one is a laugher. She never forgave him for his numerous affairs?
What did he get married for?
That is a mistake men generally make, they use the woman they are married too a place holder. A ready made sexually partner for whenever you feel you want to fuck.
Not shocked if she took him to the cleaners he deserved it.
Look, I am not defending American women's behavior its generally BAD, however you do not need to give them ammo or add fuel to the argument.
Dating would work better if more men cleaned up their act. If you want to bang pro's and date various women don't get married, pretty simple. I'll never forget my boy Rob was jones'in to get married. He found a beautiful girl that felt the same way, bam in less than 9 months they were married, inside of one year she was pregnant.
They have been married for 10 years, have 3 children and he loves her dealy and she feels the same about him.
He is a member of the Local Teamsters for Grips and Lighting in Hollywood, worked on the Golden Girls and works on ER now. It doesn't take much its just about being HONEST with yourself, not enough are. [/QUOTE]You must be married to be giving marriage advice? If you are then take your own advice an ask why your on this board?
Also! No man deserves to be taken to the cleaners!
Look up the word mangina! You reek of it.
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[QUOTE=Athlete]You must be married to be giving marriage advice? If you are then take your own advice an ask why your on this board?
Also! No man deserves to be taken to the cleaners!
Look up the word mangina! You reek of it.[/QUOTE]
So you condone cheating on your wife???
Many here do that and while I don't condone it I am not a playa hater.
If your good enough that she never finds out, then you a master of that trade.
Not ever man deserves to be taken to the cleaners. If you are caught cheating red handed and she has done nothing to make you stray, then what would be fair punishment especially if you have young children?
I am not married, nor would I cheat on my wife which might explain why I have never been married as I take it very seriously.
I guess in your eyes vows are a joke and not to be taken seriously.
I never said things change and that women don't change, of course they do. Then its time to eject then, if you have protected yourself you won't be taken to the cleaners.
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My Two On Cheating
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]So you condone cheating on your wife???
Many here do that and while I don't condone it I am not a playa hater.
If your good enough that she never finds out, then you a master of that trade.
Not ever man deserves to be taken to the cleaners. If you are caught cheating red handed and she has done nothing to make you stray, then what would be fair punishment especially if you have young children?
I am not married, nor would I cheat on my wife which might explain why I have never been married as I take it very seriously.
I guess in your eyes vows are a joke and not to be taken seriously.
I never said things change and that women don't change, of course they do. Then its time to eject then, if you have protected yourself you won't be taken to the cleaners.[/QUOTE]
I am in my late 20s and was married for 4 years to an American Hispanic. She made it real easy for me to cheat with her constant *****ing, rationing of the pussy and overall just being a cold hearted ****. Now that I have gave her her compliment. I will say this did I see this behavior before we got married? Yep. Did I ignore this behavior because of lust/ love or something like it? Yep. Now divorced I managed to meet a Filipina who has spent all her life in Japan. Do I still fuck around? You bet. She does make it real hard mentally for me to do it though.
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[QUOTE=Bpd81]I am in my late 20s and was married for 4 years to an American Hispanic. She made it real easy for me to cheat with her constant *****ing, rationing of the pussy and overall just being a cold hearted ****. Now that I have gave her her compliment. I will say this did I see this behavior before we got married? Yep. Did I ignore this behavior because of lust/ love or something like it? Yep. Now divorced I managed to meet a Filipina who has spent all her life in Japan. Do I still fuck around? You bet. She does make it real hard mentally for me to do it though.[/QUOTE]
Sure. We all have different experiences. Some of us grew up with some heavy messages about marriage. A lot of my friends have a very "civil" understanding of marriage, but for me and a lot of guys it was more of a promise before God.
This may sound sort of strange and it is a little strange for me to say it, because I'm not much for the church. Another way of putting it - in the words of Tony Montana "All I have in this world is my balls and my word and I don't break them for no one".
I think guys who take the world a less seriously may have a better time overall. Basically, in my perspective, if you are married to someone and screwing around, you are constantly living in a conflicted situation - you promise one thing and you live at odds with your promise. You want two desirable things that are at odds with each other.
It would drive me crazy. You handle those situations better than I would. Generally, people who can deal with conflicted situations like that tend to be effective, with little or no feelings of guilt, which has it's up and down sides.
For me, it's easier to give up all the promises of domestic bliss - which I think American/DisneyWorld/television culture tends celebrate way out of proportion, say, compared to what you would learn if you read.
For instance, in every recent Disney movie there is a love interest and a happy ending is when the couple hooks up at the end of the film. Happy ever after. But that's not the plot of basically any significant book in "western" culture - those books are all about guys dealing with shit on their own; there are a few exceptions - most written by chicks.
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[QUOTE=Jelly Donut]Sure. We all have different experiences. Some of us grew up with some heavy messages about marriage. A lot of my friends have a very "civil" understanding of marriage, but for me and a lot of guys it was more of a promise before God.
This may sound sort of strange and it is a little strange for me to say it, because I'm not much for the church. Another way of putting it - in the words of Tony Montana "All I have in this world is my balls and my word and I don't break them for no one".
I think guys who take the world a less seriously may have a better time overall. Basically, in my perspective, if you are married to someone and screwing around, you are constantly living in a conflicted situation - you promise one thing and you live at odds with your promise. You want two desirable things that are at odds with each other.
It would drive me crazy. You handle those situations better than I would. Generally, people who can deal with conflicted situations like that tend to be effective, with little or no feelings of guilt, which has it's up and down sides.
For me, it's easier to give up all the promises of domestic bliss - which I think American/DisneyWorld/television culture tends celebrate way out of proportion, say, compared to what you would learn if you read.
For instance, in every recent Disney movie there is a love interest and a happy ending is when the couple hooks up at the end of the film. Happy ever after. But that's not the plot of basically any significant book in "western" culture - those books are all about guys dealing with shit on their own; there are a few exceptions - most written by chicks.[/QUOTE]
Which is why I can't watch Disney movies anymore, not every things ends happy.
Just like in Ronin they had to change the original ending because I am sure they didn't like the girl getting wisked away by a faction of the IRA while she sneaked a peak at Jack one final time.
Or
They changed the ending of The Saint because the killed off Kilmer's love interest about 3/4 of the way through it. So they re-edited it and re-wrote the ending.
As we all know Life is not that rosy, just like when many women find out that being married to a rich guy is often not all its cracked up to be. Yes you have money and yes you have access, but if he sucks in bed or is never home, then what do you have?
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I was struck when I read "The Three Musketeers" and "The Count of Monte Cristo". The girl dies. For anyone who grew up with the Americanized versions of these tales it's a bit of a shock.
For the most part, chicks are lucky if they even make it into the plot of many "great" books. Don Quijote. Moby Dick. Huckleberry Finn "Well I reckon I got to light out for the Territory ahead of the rest because Aunt Sally she's going to adopt me and civilise me and I can't stand it."
All the chicks are worthless or worse in The Odyssey. You bust your ass trying to get home, and your wife is entertaining every guy on the block when you make it through the door. The only girl worth a tinkers damn in Crime and Punishment is a pro.
If you've only been taking these tales in filtered through American pop media, you're not getting the whole story.
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]Which is why I can't watch Disney movies anymore, not every things ends happy.
Just like in Ronin they had to change the original ending because I am sure they didn't like the girl getting wisked away by a faction of the IRA while she sneaked a peak at Jack one final time.
Or
They changed the ending of The Saint because the killed off Kilmer's love interest about 3/4 of the way through it. So they re-edited it and re-wrote the ending.
As we all know Life is not that rosy, just like when many women find out that being married to a rich guy is often not all its cracked up to be. Yes you have money and yes you have access, but if he sucks in bed or is never home, then what do you have?[/QUOTE]
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Damn DJ, you’re busting men’s balls… I mean you’re really tearing them apart! You’re doing the same thing as AW. You assume that if all men would be good little boys and not fuck around then life would be sweet and marriage great. Well, that is a fallacious crock of shit! You see, when I was a boy, I was raised to believe such nonsense then reality struck. I soon discovered that once women start dating and they figure out just how badly men want their pussy and the things they are willing to do to get it they inevitably try to take advantage of it. To be fair, this is probably more a statement about human nature and not solely one about women. Anyway, once the girls discovered their little patch of gold they started giving it to the highest bidder or rationed it out among the high bidders for gifts, meals or cash. Of course, they told each one that he was the only one and that they loved him madly.
Do you really think that women fuck one guy at a time hoping that he will marry them and be faithful? Well, I have news for you. American women usually fuck a few guys at any one time before making a decision regarding who they’re going to pressure into marriage. If things don’t work out they always have a replacement on the back burner to roll into guy #1’s slot. I know chicks that do this without feeling that it is wrong in any way. They simply see this as having fun and maximizing their chances of landing “Mr. Right”.
Your boy may have gotten lucky…really lucky. However, that is not the average man’s experience. If it were there wouldn’t be a need for a forum like this, would there? Sadly, men expect their wives to fuck them whenever they feel like it because with the marriage vows comes the agreement that they will only fuck their wives forsaking all other pussy. Therefore when a man gets the urge to fuck he looks for wifey and not some other woman because they have an agreement. When she refuses to fuck him because she simply doesn’t feel like it she breaches this agreement. If it happens enough times the husband might start feeling that he doesn’t have to abide by the terms of the agreement either. At this point he may take the liberty of fucking other women as often as needed to soothe his urges.
As for getting taken to the cleaners, this is the era of no fault divorce. Therefore if getting taken to the cleaners is a punishment then it is a punishment for all men moronic enough to get married and not limited to those at fault. Of course, people are free to do as they please in this country within the confines of the law. If you wish to get married then do so but do not blame your difficulties in this area on your brothers who wisely choose to fuck and flee. Some of us would rather enjoy ourselves than slave away at work in vain efforts to satisfy the whims of a harsh mistress.
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A lot of women go for money anyway. Its common sense that life does not turn out the way we would like it. People still watch movies anyway, and the studios keep cutting the film to have the happy ending.
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Well Put
[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]Damn DJ, you’re busting men’s balls… I mean you’re really tearing them apart! You’re doing the same thing as AW. You assume that if all men would be good little boys and not fuck around then life would be sweet and marriage great. Well, that is a fallacious crock of shit! You see, when I was a boy, I was raised to believe such nonsense then reality struck. I soon discovered that once women start dating and they figure out just how badly men want their pussy and the things they are willing to do to get it they inevitably try to take advantage of it. To be fair, this is probably more a statement about human nature and not solely one about women. Anyway, once the girls discovered their little patch of gold they started giving it to the highest bidder or rationed it out among the high bidders for gifts, meals or cash. Of course, they told each one that he was the only one and that they loved him madly.
Do you really think that women fuck one guy at a time hoping that he will marry them and be faithful? Well, I have news for you. American women usually fuck a few guys at any one time before making a decision regarding who they’re going to pressure into marriage. If things don’t work out they always have a replacement on the back burner to roll into guy #1’s slot. I know chicks that do this without feeling that it is wrong in any way. They simply see this as having fun and maximizing their chances of landing “Mr. Right”.
Your boy may have gotten lucky…really lucky. However, that is not the average man’s experience. If it were there wouldn’t be a need for a forum like this, would there? Sadly, men expect their wives to fuck them whenever they feel like it because with the marriage vows comes the agreement that they will only fuck their wives forsaking all other pussy. Therefore when a man gets the urge to fuck he looks for wifey and not some other woman because they have an agreement. When she refuses to fuck him because she simply doesn’t feel like it she breaches this agreement. If it happens enough times the husband might start feeling that he doesn’t have to abide by the terms of the agreement either. At this point he may take the liberty of fucking other women as often as needed to soothe his urges.
As for getting taken to the cleaners, this is the era of no fault divorce. Therefore if getting taken to the cleaners is a punishment then it is a punishment for all men moronic enough to get married and not limited to those at fault. Of course, people are free to do as they please in this country within the confines of the law. If you wish to get married then do so but do not blame your difficulties in this area on your brothers who wisely choose to fuck and flee. Some of us would rather enjoy ourselves than slave away at work in vain efforts to satisfy the whims of a harsh mistress.[/QUOTE]
I am a atheist but this deserves an AMEN!
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Being able to travel is the best thing in the entire world, that maximizes your chances of meeting women. In the USA this is difficult for all but the independently wealthy. Most working people never get more than 2 weeks off a year. Europeans and Australians get more time off, so that translates into more chances to go somewhere else and meet women. I have met business owners in Europe who have closed their shops for more than a month to go on a holiday.
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Well, I don't know for sure, but I grew up with a couple of sisters and have lived with a few AWs as roomates, friends and confidants. Based on that experience I don't think a lot of AWs are juggling multiple sex partners - I think these numbers are closer to the truth (although, sure, some people would lie, even if thier responses were anonymous):
"93.9% of the 1481 respondents answered the question about number of sex partners in the past 12 months (Table 1). Overall, 21.5% said they had no sex partner in the past 12 months, 59.6% said one, 10.6% said two to four, 2.2% said five or more, and 6.1% did not answer the question. Six percent of the 638 men and 1.2% of the 843 women indicated that at least one of their sex partners in the past 12 months was a "casual date or pick-up." Four (0.6%) men and no women reported that at least one of their partners was a "person you paid or (who) paid you for sex."
[url]http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00001277.htm[/url]
I do know a couple of girls who do that sort of thing. (dating disasters 102: You are looking to jump the ladder and get into her pants, she starts dumping the details of her various lovers on you).
Let's say, generously, ten percent. It's still a lot of women and if you hang out where they hang out, it's going to twist your take on things. The idea that women and men think about sex the same way, well, they just don't.
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[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]Damn DJ, you’re busting men’s balls… I mean you’re really tearing them apart! You’re doing the same thing as AW. You assume that if all men would be good little boys and not fuck around then life would be sweet and marriage great. Well, that is a fallacious crock of shit! You see, when I was a boy, I was raised to believe such nonsense then reality struck. I soon discovered that once women start dating and they figure out just how badly men want their pussy and the things they are willing to do to get it they inevitably try to take advantage of it. To be fair, this is probably more a statement about human nature and not solely one about women. Anyway, once the girls discovered their little patch of gold they started giving it to the highest bidder or rationed it out among the high bidders for gifts, meals or cash. Of course, they told each one that he was the only one and that they loved him madly.
Do you really think that women fuck one guy at a time hoping that he will marry them and be faithful? Well, I have news for you. American women usually fuck a few guys at any one time before making a decision regarding who they’re going to pressure into marriage. If things don’t work out they always have a replacement on the back burner to roll into guy #1’s slot. I know chicks that do this without feeling that it is wrong in any way. They simply see this as having fun and maximizing their chances of landing “Mr. Right”.
Your boy may have gotten lucky…really lucky. However, that is not the average man’s experience. If it were there wouldn’t be a need for a forum like this, would there? Sadly, men expect their wives to fuck them whenever they feel like it because with the marriage vows comes the agreement that they will only fuck their wives forsaking all other pussy. Therefore when a man gets the urge to fuck he looks for wifey and not some other woman because they have an agreement. When she refuses to fuck him because she simply doesn’t feel like it she breaches this agreement. If it happens enough times the husband might start feeling that he doesn’t have to abide by the terms of the agreement either. At this point he may take the liberty of fucking other women as often as needed to soothe his urges.
As for getting taken to the cleaners, this is the era of no fault divorce. Therefore if getting taken to the cleaners is a punishment then it is a punishment for all men moronic enough to get married and not limited to those at fault. Of course, people are free to do as they please in this country within the confines of the law. If you wish to get married then do so but do not blame your difficulties in this area on your brothers who wisely choose to fuck and flee. Some of us would rather enjoy ourselves than slave away at work in vain efforts to satisfy the whims of a harsh mistress.[/QUOTE]
Well put Chocha Monger.......your post deserves a hall of fame rating.
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[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]Damn DJ, you’re busting men’s balls… I mean you’re really tearing them apart! You’re doing the same thing as AW. You assume that if all men would be good little boys and not fuck around then life would be sweet and marriage great. Well, that is a fallacious crock of shit! You see, when I was a boy, I was raised to believe such nonsense then reality struck. I soon discovered that once women start dating and they figure out just how badly men want their pussy and the things they are willing to do to get it they inevitably try to take advantage of it. To be fair, this is probably more a statement about human nature and not solely one about women. Anyway, once the girls discovered their little patch of gold they started giving it to the highest bidder or rationed it out among the high bidders for gifts, meals or cash. Of course, they told each one that he was the only one and that they loved him madly.
Do you really think that women fuck one guy at a time hoping that he will marry them and be faithful? Well, I have news for you. American women usually fuck a few guys at any one time before making a decision regarding who they’re going to pressure into marriage. If things don’t work out they always have a replacement on the back burner to roll into guy #1’s slot. I know chicks that do this without feeling that it is wrong in any way. They simply see this as having fun and maximizing their chances of landing “Mr. Right”.
Your boy may have gotten lucky…really lucky. However, that is not the average man’s experience. If it were there wouldn’t be a need for a forum like this, would there? Sadly, men expect their wives to fuck them whenever they feel like it because with the marriage vows comes the agreement that they will only fuck their wives forsaking all other pussy. Therefore when a man gets the urge to fuck he looks for wifey and not some other woman because they have an agreement. When she refuses to fuck him because she simply doesn’t feel like it she breaches this agreement. If it happens enough times the husband might start feeling that he doesn’t have to abide by the terms of the agreement either. At this point he may take the liberty of fucking other women as often as needed to soothe his urges.
As for getting taken to the cleaners, this is the era of no fault divorce. Therefore if getting taken to the cleaners is a punishment then it is a punishment for all men moronic enough to get married and not limited to those at fault. Of course, people are free to do as they please in this country within the confines of the law. If you wish to get married then do so but do not blame your difficulties in this area on your brothers who wisely choose to fuck and flee. Some of us would rather enjoy ourselves than slave away at work in vain efforts to satisfy the whims of a harsh mistress.[/QUOTE]
Oh I agree, I am not trying to bust any balls. I am just saying if you want to do that fine, if she does it to you fine. But usually its double standard...
I don't like how AW behave I am done with them, I was just making a comment.
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Wow, if this is true, no wonder it sucks here. Whatever happened to free love, the 60s, the 70s, the 80s etc? :P
[QUOTE=Jelly Donut]Well, I don't know for sure, but I grew up with a couple of sisters and have lived with a few AWs as roomates, friends and confidants. Based on that experience I don't think a lot of AWs are juggling multiple sex partners - I think these numbers are closer to the truth (although, sure, some people would lie, even if thier responses were anonymous):
"93.9% of the 1481 respondents answered the question about number of sex partners in the past 12 months (Table 1). Overall, 21.5% said they had no sex partner in the past 12 months, 59.6% said one, 10.6% said two to four, 2.2% said five or more, and 6.1% did not answer the question. Six percent of the 638 men and 1.2% of the 843 women indicated that at least one of their sex partners in the past 12 months was a "casual date or pick-up." Four (0.6%) men and no women reported that at least one of their partners was a "person you paid or (who) paid you for sex."
[url]http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00001277.htm[/url]
I do know a couple of girls who do that sort of thing. (dating disasters 102: You are looking to jump the ladder and get into her pants, she starts dumping the details of her various lovers on you).
Let's say, generously, ten percent. It's still a lot of women and if you hang out where they hang out, it's going to twist your take on things. The idea that women and men think about sex the same way, well, they just don't.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]Wow, if this is true, no wonder it sucks here. Whatever happened to free love, the 60s, the 70s, the 80s etc? :P[/QUOTE]
Went the way of the Times Square hooker. I think everything topped out when Carter legalized, or reduced the penalties, on carrying small amounts of pot, since then everything's been getting worse and worse. Maybe the date was closer to 1980, when AC/DC cut "Given the Dog a Bone". The historians will figure it out, I'm sure.
I'm not sure if the numbers are actually true, but they sure seem that way for me. Whatever. It only makes me appreciate hot latinas that much more.
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[QUOTE=Jelly Donut]Well, I don't know for sure, but I grew up with a couple of sisters and have lived with a few AWs as roomates, friends and confidants. Based on that experience I don't think a lot of AWs are juggling multiple sex partners - I think these numbers are closer to the truth (although, sure, some people would lie, even if thier responses were anonymous):
"93.9% of the 1481 respondents answered the question about number of sex partners in the past 12 months (Table 1). Overall, 21.5% said they had no sex partner in the past 12 months, 59.6% said one, 10.6% said two to four, 2.2% said five or more, and 6.1% did not answer the question. Six percent of the 638 men and 1.2% of the 843 women indicated that at least one of their sex partners in the past 12 months was a "casual date or pick-up." Four (0.6%) men and no women reported that at least one of their partners was a "person you paid or (who) paid you for sex."
[url]http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00001277.htm[/url]
I do know a couple of girls who do that sort of thing. (dating disasters 102: You are looking to jump the ladder and get into her pants, she starts dumping the details of her various lovers on you).
Let's say, generously, ten percent. It's still a lot of women and if you hang out where they hang out, it's going to twist your take on things. The idea that women and men think about sex the same way, well, they just don't.[/QUOTE]Oh yeah! Women are just known for there stedfast character & prpoensity on not to lie!
Hahahahahahah!
"Women are like monkeys. They do not let go of one vine till they have a hold on another"
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Survey Says
One can quote all the statistics from all the surveys in the world. It doesn't mean a damn thing unless there is some kind of assurance that the participants in the survey weren't lying.
I, for one, suspect that a lot of women lie on these surveys. If this is true, then the survey isn't worth the paper it's printed on. Women fuck around.... it's a fact. I've had ex-girlfriends admit as much after the end of a relationship. I've had women call me up when they want to screw around on their boyfriend (revenge-fuck because the guy pissed them off somehow).
With all this going on in my own past, I'm sure there's a lot more going on out there.
It's not like I don't respect women either, because I do.... the same way I'd respect any sneaky deceptive and cunning individual who I know will fuck me over given the chance.
Rock
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women have a wonderful way of rationalizing things. a friend's girlfriend fucked around on him. she then told him that she didn't really fuck the other guy because "he didn't put it all the way in" and he came quick. no shit true story!
then there are my aw friends who don't count one time casual fucks as sex partners because there was no relationship. american women lie to themselves about sex because they don't want to see themselves as sl*ts.
aw are not big on full disclosure either. i've dated women for years before discovering about their abortions, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] or abusive ex-boyfriends. the truth usually comes out when you're least expecting it. imagine sitting out on the balcony of an expensive restaurant enjoying the spectacular view when a pigeon suddenly flies over and shits in your plate of lobster termidor. that is the imagery that best captures the moment of realization that you're dating a seriously fucked in the head female.
forget the surveys. most american women have had miles of cock literally. they may not be giving that ass to you, perhaps you're not a bad boy, but they're slinging that pussy like hot soup on a chow line. if you make decent money and look like potential lifetime sponsor material it's in their interest to show you the "frigid" exterior.
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[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]Forget the surveys. Most American women have had miles of cock literally. They may not be giving that ass to you, perhaps you're not a bad boy, but they're slinging that pussy like hot soup on a chow line. If you make decent money and look like potential lifetime sponsor material it's in their interest to show you the "frigid" exterior.[/QUOTE]
I agree. I once had a summer job as a teen where I had the opportunity to a 'fly on the wall" around some women. Sometimes they would tell each other stories of the sex experiences they had with their boyfriends or other men. It was quite a realization to see women being themselves when they didn't care about a male who was within earshot.
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[QUOTE=Rock Dog]One can quote all the statistics from all the surveys in the world. It doesn't mean a damn thing unless there is some kind of assurance that the participants in the survey weren't lying.
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Yeah, people lie. Guys might lie to themselves in a survey about sex in order to cast themselves in one way. Girls might do it as well - a woman might lie in one way to her girlfriends, another to her mother, still another to her husband. However, in my experience, people like to talk about sex honestly if you put them in an environment where they can do so.
Also, there are things about those numbers that can be tested. For instance, "person you paid or (who) paid you for sex." - it's not that difficult to find out if .6 percent is a realistic number or unrealistic. You can measure things like the number of prostitution-related arrests, the amount of cash being withdrawn from ATMs in certain times and places & so forth.
You can figure out the number of abortions, who has them, which women have had more than one. These are not secrets (the names, yes, but not the numbers). The number on STD transmission is not either. Same for the number of condoms sold in a given area or for a given demographic.
You can compare what the men say and what the women say and see if the numbers add up. It takes two*, after all.
You could do all this research, but I still think you end up in the same spot, I just think the survey reflects what you would expect if you lived in a "sex prison".
JD
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I like to ask women, "not counting gays, who do you think has more sex, single men or single women?"
They always answer single men.
Then, "not counting gay sex, who cheats on their spouse more, married men or married women?"
They always answer married men.
So in their view of the world, single men are having more sex, and so are married men.
Who in the hell are they all that having sex with?
Since it takes one woman for every man, it is a zero sum game. For every single man having sex
or married man cheating, there must be a single woman have sex or a married woman cheating.
But they have no problem denying the laws of mathematics because it doesn't square with what
they want to believe: that all men are dogs, and all women are saints.
DB
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There is a possibility that there are a few really "****ty" women taking care of multiple guys needs and balancing the equation that way. To which I say, if it's true, point me in their direction PLEASE! :P
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"you can figure out the number of abortions, who has them, which women have had more than one. these are not secrets (the names, yes, but not the numbers)."
are you out of your fucking mind? you think all the abortions that are performed end up being measured somehow? you ever hear of a black market? you ever hear of a coat hanger? you ever hear of latin american countries where this is totally hush-hush and back alley? you think that in the us with the religious right and the anti- rowe vs. wade crowd and differing state laws that there are no unrecorded abortions?
jesus fucking christ if an abortion is not a secret and under-reported thing i do not know what is unless it is [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord128][CodeWord128][/url] for god's sakes.
"compare what men say and what women say and see if they add up." oh my goodness. can someone else with better communication skills clue this guy up? rubbie?
q: "president bush, what do you think of rowe vs. wade?"
a: "however they got out of new orleans is fine with me."
this is the most ignorant post i have seen in quite a long time.
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I had the perfect answer to Jelly's post..... then I read Bango's reply and realized he'd left nothing more for me to say.
DH, ouch! Kind of harsh?
As far as surveys go, if a woman feels like her answers will be 100% confidential, she MIGHT actually tell the truth. But I still think a lot of them lie about this kind of thing no matter what the circumstances. Definitely a large enough percentage to throw off the validity of the results.
So what is the truth anyways? It's probably not what Bango suggested. There may be a few girls out there doing the nasty with large numbers of men.... but wouldn't that be exactly the behavior they like to accuse us of doing? My guess is that a lot of women cheat, fuck around and do whatever. Then a large number of them lie about it. They lie to their men, lie to their friends, lie on the survey and they even lie to themselves.
This, in my opinion, accounts for most of the difference that shows up in these surveys. Frankly, I'm surprised at the number of them that DO admit what they're doing.
Rock
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]There is a possibility that there are a few really "****ty" women taking care of multiple guys needs and balancing the equation that way. To which I say, if it's true, point me in their direction PLEASE! :P[/QUOTE]
I just assumed that was how it worked. There's a smaller group of women having sex with a larger number of guys. I think DB has a good point - whatever BS AWs are tossing around is just being used to frame a conversation in favor of AWs. If guys are little pigs, there are some women out there that are such huge swine that the equation balances out.
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[QUOTE=Dickhead]
Are you out of your fucking mind? You think all the abortions that are performed end up being measured somehow? You ever hear of a black market? You ever hear of a coat hanger? .[/QUOTE]
Abortion is legal in the United States and the numbers are tracked. It's been legal since the 1970's and the numbers on illegal abortions in the United States are quite low.
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I haven't really been keeping up with this discussion of late, but it seems to me you've gone from b*tching and moaning that American women are all frigid, to b*tching and moaning that American women are all closet sl*ts. Am I missing something here???
I don't think people generally lie on sex surveys - women, in particular, probably take advantage of the fact that they can be completely honest about their sexual activity for once, without having to panic that someone is gonna judge them.
But surveys can be skewed depending on where the pool of participants came from. Interviewing a group of women at a sexual health clinic, for example, will get a very different set of answers than a random phone/mail survey will. Having both married and single women in the same survey really screws with the results, as does including women with small children, or sourcing participants solely from religious or feminist networks. A magazine survey conducted by Cleo or Cosmo would get different results than one conducted by Who or Business Weekly. I think bad research practices would be more to blame for the different stats than participants lying.
For the record, I don't think there's a small group of women doing a large number of men. I think women are just as likely to be out there having casual sex and affairs as you guys are. We just can't talk about it honestly and openly, because we get judged and branded for it.
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PS: Rock...
Are you really condemning women for having affairs and then lying about it? On a site where tens of thousands of men come to chat about their extramarital sexual activity and even share ways to hide their mongering from their wives???
Sorry, but with all due respect, you guys calling women 'cunning and deceptive' because they have casual sex and don't admit it, is a serious case of the pot calling the kettle black.
And Chocha...
The girl said her cheating didn't count because he didn't put it all the way in? Women don't count casual encounters as sex partners? Do you have any idea how many clients have said to me that having sex with hookers doesn't count! Or what about the guys that come in and ask for a nude massage and hand relief because it's 'not as bad as having sex'? What about all the guys I've blown because they think oral sex 'doesn't count' as cheating on their wife?
I agree that people often justify their sexual behaviour in bizarre ways, but it's certainly not restricted to women. Men are pretty darn good at it as well.
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i'm posting this in here as an example of why women sometimes get a bit bitter and jaded about men. men like this guy aren't doing the rest of you any favours.
i just received this private message:
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i dont respect any women married or not.. because most cheat. and most women can not be trusted. you are a woman you fucking know this. dont bull shit a fucking bull shitter. why do women married or not dress like *****s!!!! no no they dont want to be a *****!!! havens to bid. but most want to dress like a *****. with there short short dresses. i have seen happily married women with their hubbies dress like a *****. whats with that??? women i have cohabitated with still dress like a *****. i know whats under that skirt, thank you i dont want the neighborhood to see whats under there. then a woman wonder why she gets [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]!!!! i do respect a ***** that fucks for money its an open transaction no bull shit . both parties know the score. besides marriage to a north american woman is no good the laws are all for her in courts ass [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] the guy for all his assets heavy alimony child support its not worth it. they get filthy fucking fat fat fat and then hold out for sex. please exscuse me i will always fuck *****s they are more honest than a fucking married ***** and a non married *****. and women are smartter than men (cunning as a shit house rat) a guy thats on plan a ha ha ha fuck shes been to plan b c d e while the guy is figureing out plan a.
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firstly, if you ever send me something like that again and i will go straight to jackson.
secondly, my last post said that i believe women cheat just as much as men do, so i have no fkn clue what you're raving on about.
thirdly, only a misogynist neanderthal would tell a women how she can and can't dress, let alone suggest that she deserves to get raped because of it.
and lastly, i'm glad you like wh*res so much, because with an attitude like that, no woman would ever want to spend time with you for free.
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[quote=rubber nursey]ps: rock...
are you really condemning women for having affairs and then lying about it? on a site where tens of thousands of men come to chat about their extramarital sexual activity and even share ways to hide their mongering from their wives???
sorry, but with all due respect, you guys calling women 'cunning and deceptive' because they have casual sex and don't admit it, is a serious case of the pot calling the kettle black.
and chocha...
the girl said her cheating didn't count because he didn't put it all the way in? women don't count casual encounters as sex partners? do you have any idea how many clients have said to me that having sex with hookers doesn't count! or what about the guys that come in and ask for a nude massage and hand relief because it's 'not as bad as having sex'? what about all the guys i've blown because they think oral sex 'doesn't count' as cheating on their wife?
i agree that people often justify their sexual behaviour in bizarre ways, but it's certainly not restricted to women. men are pretty darn good at it as well.[/quote]
rn,
i think the men you're referring to are called politicians. they are amazing creatures and can take it up the ass without being gay. of late, quite a number have been in the us media giving testimony to that fact. clinton was able to get some brain from monica and avoid cheating on hillary.
however, i still have to admit that men are small timers when it comes to fucking around, lying and making a woman feel like she is the only one in the world. women are far better at doing this. do you know any guys who can convince a woman that a child from another woman is actually her child for over twenty years? perhaps not, but women convince cuckholded men all the time that some other guy's child is actually their own. approximately 25% of children don't belong to the man who thinks he is the biological father. this is not chocha monger's crazy ideas but rather the results of peer reviewed scientific studies.
so while there are guys like taiwan guy who gets his cock sniffed by his wife before she lets him in the door because he's had some hooker pussy, women are still by and large the slicker sex. i'd have never thought of sniffing my wife's **** when she got home late and i have at least average intelligence for a man. yet, women think of things like that. if i were married i wouldn't fuck hookers. i'd save my money and root the wifey's pussy to pieces seeing that it would be costing me a pretty penny to keep around anyways. i'm the kind of guy who drives cars until they fall apart before buying a new one. even the old ones work fine as long as you put in a quart of oil every now and then.
the only problem is that marriage is a real con game. you see most women like to fuck like minks in the early year or two of a long term relationship but if you keep fucking them 6 or 8 times a day they eventually start complaining and then it's time to move on. unfortunately, i'm not rich enough to divorce every few years when the pussy dries up like the nomadic tribesmen of the middle eastern deserts who move from one oasis to another when the water dries up.
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Nope, I've had literally thousands of clients and waaaaay more than half of the married ones considered sex with me 'not cheating', either because he was paying for it or because we did something other than intercourse. And that's only the guys who actually said it - others may have been thinking it!
I'm not so sure the baby thing is a good example of women's manipulative powers compared to men - he'd have to be a pretty impressive liar to convince a woman she gave birth to someone else's baby! :) But I know what you're saying and it's awful that women would do that. Mind you, plenty of men have other children out there that they haven't told their wife about...to exes, or one-nighters, or affairs. Some guys have entire other families! I know that's kinda different because of the child support etc angle, but it's still a pretty huge deception.
Don't get me wrong...I know women can be lying, cheating b*tches. I'm just saying that I (and the majority of my female friends) have been on the receiving end of exactly the same crap from men. Both sexes are as bad as each other when it comes to honesty and fidelity.
Same goes for men giving up on sex shortly into the relationship, for that matter. I've complained on this Forum many times about past boyfriends with ridiculously low libidos, who 'forced' me to go off in search of some strange. Then there's the guys who 'let themselves go' once you've been together for a while and spend all day on the couch in front of the telly, don't want to go out any more, stop shaving, get fat...sound familiar?
Just out of interest, I've had a number of boyfriends who have used a variation of your 'cock sniffing' trick. God forbid a woman might come home from a party/trip and refuse cunnilingus! Usually I only say no to oral sex if I've got my period and I've had to actually prove that's the case, more than once. It happened to me just a couple of days ago after returning from a week away. I was refusing my bloke's advances and trying to give him a blowjob and he took that as me trying to stop him getting too close and discovering I'd been with someone else!
Which is quite silly, really, coz if I was gonna screw around (which I didn't do anyway) I would have used a condom. And had a shower. *rolls eyes*
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RN, what it is is I think it's a denial mechanism. America is going down the shithole, and nobody wants to see the elephant in the room. So what do they do, they employ the classic strategy of using a SCAPEGOAT. Sometimes that scapegoat is hillbillies, immigrants, people who speak a different language, etc. In the case of this forum it's AW.
The truth of the matter is exactly as you said it, women get just as fucked around by men here as men do by women. Guys, if you think women have PARADISE here in the USA you are DREAMING! The fact is the USA is fucked for both men and women AT THE SAME TIME, and for the SAME REASON.
What you should be worried about is dragging those anti-social tendencies bred into almost every single one of us DOWN with you to your expat destination of choice and fucking things up just as royally. Oh but hey, I'm sure you'll be on this forum quicker than shit to turn around and SLAM the women wherever you are. It's like the old quote "we have met the enemy and he is us".
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Rubbery Nursery You Always Post Excellent Answers
Who do you think is the principal victim in the sex tourism game? I mean you have guys right here on this site such as my self spending thousands of dollars and time which could be put to other productive uses just to go party in such fleshpots as Thailand and the Philippines. I mean I can't complain I earn damn decent living but I know I am an anomaly. For me it’s just a hobby as I have a great steady girl friend and I am fairly young guy. It’s an addictive hobby. I mean these women are getting paid to have sex. I would be naïve to say it’s a dream job but as I said they are getting paid to have sex. What about the guys spending life savings, the children college fund, etc...hiding these expenses from the wife. Who do you think is getting damaged the most? Mentally, Physically, Emotionally and Financially. Most people will say the girls mentally. I will say you can argue the Johns also take a mental bashing? I think.
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]RN, what it is is I think it's a denial mechanism. America is going down the shithole, and nobody wants to see the elephant in the room. So what do they do, they employ the classic strategy of using a SCAPEGOAT. Sometimes that scapegoat is hillbillies, immigrants, people who speak a different language, etc. In the case of this forum it's AW.
The truth of the matter is exactly as you said it, women get just as fucked around by men here as men do by women. Guys, if you think women have PARADISE here in the USA you are DREAMING! The fact is the USA is fucked for both men and women AT THE SAME TIME, and for the SAME REASON.
What you should be worried about is dragging those anti-social tendencies bred into almost every single one of us DOWN with you to your expat destination of choice and fucking things up just as royally. Oh but hey, I'm sure you'll be on this forum quicker than shit to turn around and SLAM the women wherever you are. It's like the old quote "we have met the enemy and he is us".[/QUOTE]
I agree with you mostly the only thing I can say is this -
When I preach the problems with AW, I generally get an understanding nod from the people within ear shot.
I am not anti-social nor do I harbor ill feelings towards most women. I just don't feel the need to play the game they have largely created because of their bad choices when it comes to men. I have long said that some women should have other people select their mates because they do such a poor job of if themselves. Same goes for Men, but I think some men are desiring to be controlled by some woman.
Why should I date an ugly woman or an ugly and fat woman??? That is what is largely available to me because I -
A) I don't make $50,000 a year
B) I drive a car most people under 25 would own (I love it!)
C) I live at home (changing soon)
Okay so it looks like I will be buying real estate. However I do not care to use that to my advantage with local women. I feel I'll get a better quality "over there" just plain BETTER.
Not saying I can't find that here and not likely in my social circle...
Its much quicker to go to Europe. I did not go to Europe and fuck around on anybody I was committed to because I wasn't committed to anybody. Now one particular German woman my disagree with that, but the TRUTH was, I put her 2nd on the list which she didn't like and tried selection #1. That backfired and I generally didn't recover from that.
So I am not being an expat and fucking up the market over there.
I like European women because they largely don't care about A or B. C would happen regardless, so they are not worried about that either.
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Looking for some clarification....
when you say you've had:[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]literally thousands of clients[/QUOTE] it seems to me you are contradicting this idea:[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey] I don't think there's a small group of women doing a large number of men.[/QUOTE]
All it would take is an almost insignificant number of nymphomaniacs to account for hundreds of thousands of guys getting laid, right? Even a woman who you would not call a "nymphomaniac", say, a woman with a sex-drive on par with an average guy, is going to score [i]way[/i] more than that guy.
And generally, guys are driven less and less by sex as they get older - while women tend to get more interested in it as they start running low on eggs. Seriously, I run into a number of AWs in thier late 20's and early 30's who are basically being compelled by biology and time; it seems to me they are an extremely easy mark for a guy. I'm sure the numbers for some of these women get up there.
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I don't think hookers count, Jelly. :) Even the most rabid nympho probably wouldn't clock up those sorts of numbers. And you're assuming that the men out there who say they're getting heaps of sex, are actually telling the truth...
I'm not sure what you're getting at. Now you're saying that men lose interest in sex as they get older and women get more horny - so how does that fit in with the usual complaint in this thread, that you guys want it all the time and it's your wives that are losing interest???
Seriously, I really don't get you guys. Women just can't win...they're either frigid or they're putting it out all over the place. They can't be both!
Q. What's the difference between a sl*t and a b*tch?
A. A sl*t fucks everyone...a b*tch fucks everyone but you.
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Guys why are we discussing mens issues with a woman?
There ruled by estrogen! Case closed.
No use speaking logic to an illogical creature.
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[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]Seriously, I really don't get you guys. Women just can't win...they're either frigid or they're putting it out all over the place. They can't be both! [/QUOTE]
No. An individual woman can't be both frigid and putting out all over the place.
Women [i]as a group[/i] can be!
After travelling and mongering, I now view women much more as a very heterogenous group, and judge a woman as an individual.
I have met women who put out all over the place, and don't keep it a secret. I have women who put out all over the place but try to keep it a secret. I have met women who don't put out at all and try to tell it to every person alive who will give her enough time to get to that issue. I have met women who don't put out and don't tell you until it is too late.
I have also met women who put out for everyone except me. And I have met women (too few) who don't out for anyone except me.
There used to be a saying that mothers taught their daughters. I think it is too passe nowadays. A man wants his wife to be a madonna in public and a wh*** (completely unhibited) in private, the bedroom. In that sense, most men do want a woman to be simultaneously frigid and super hot.
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[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]PS: Rock...
Are you really condemning women for having affairs and then lying about it? On a site where tens of thousands of men come to chat about their extramarital sexual activity and even share ways to hide their mongering from their wives???
Sorry, but with all due respect, you guys calling women 'cunning and deceptive' because they have casual sex and don't admit it, is a serious case of the pot calling the kettle black.
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Ah RN, nice to have you back!
OK, first, I wasn't condemning anyone. Merely offering up an explanation as to why there might be a difference in some statistical results on some survey.
Cunning and deceptive? That's not an insult or a condemnation, but rather a recognition of a worthy adversary. I like to think of myself as having sme of those qualities..... it's hard to be cunning and deceptive if you're some kind of dumbass right? Is there a negative vibe to those words? Sure, but it's also kind of a compliment at the same time.
So in my own particular way, I was saying that I believe women are doing the same things we (men) are doing, and they are just as sneaky as we are.... and just as likely to admit to it.
Rock
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American Women
Why is there such a big discussion about American/Brit gals, we all know they suck eggs... yes that is the only then that they suck. Most of them are not worthy of such detail discussion.
It is usually fine before getting married but once they move in, everything goes downhill including their saggy boobs. another thing is that when you want to rid them, they become blood thirsty leeches... sucking every assets that you work so hard for.
That it. lets just line them up and banish them to Siberia. I know that Siberia is probably warmer than most of them.
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Anyone who thinks the number of unreported abortions in the US is "small" is living in a dream world.
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[QUOTE=George90]
There used to be a saying that mothers taught their daughters. I think it is too passe nowadays. A man wants his wife to be a madonna in public and a wh*** (completely unhibited) in private, the bedroom. In that sense, most men do want a woman to be simultaneously frigid and super hot.[/QUOTE]
Well in there you have it in a nutshell...
Too many people are worried about appearances. I say if you need a ***** in your bed, then marry a *****. Chances are like Professional *****s they will give up that lifestyle to be YOUR *****.
The key is finding the hoe with a heart of gold and isn't caught up in how much money she is making. Easier said than done huh?
So many men put up with frigid women in hopes they'll warm up if they commit long term.
A leopard seldom changes its spots, so if you started with frigid; ice woman she shall be for everything but maybe a brief fling for child bearing.
Which might explain why some men are with mousey looking women. They suck a mean dick, take it in the ass, fuck as much as you want and don't complain.
So while we wait for the "perfect storm" he's getting his jollies on a daily.
Which is why every country but the US and largely North America are such a bad choice for LTR's. In other cultures sex is not a bad thing, so women hot to average fuck about the same. Sure you have some women that have been told from day one that they are the best thing to walk this planet and put in no effort at all. But stepping down a notch proves to be more ideal more often than not.
Yes RN far too many men and women want it both ways, impossible...
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The saying is:
"A woman should be a peasant in the kitchen, a lady in the drawing room, and a harlot in the bedroom."
I think some AWs have this confused as many are ladies in the kitchen, harlots in the drawing room, and peasants in the bedroom.
A lot of the women I meet down here can't cook but that is fine since I can. By and large Latinas are nice and ladylike until you do hit the bedroom and then they become harlots so two out of three ain't bad, as Meat Loaf so eloquently stated. You can always hire a maid to cook, and then you can fuck her too. That is how it works here.
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George makes a great point with his madonna/wh*re comments, and I think it cuts right to the heart of the double standards that women experience in regard to their sexuality.
As they say, some women you fuck, some you marry. Women who (men consider to be) 'good wife' material are generally not putting it about to every Tom, Dick and Harry...and the women that ARE putting it about are often shunned as potential wives. If a girl fucks on the first date and behaves like a tiger in bed, guys often just have their fun with her and move on, discounting her as marriage material because she's had too much sexual experience. Then they find a 'good' woman, marry her for her child-rearing/housekeeping potential, and then complain when she has a low sex drive or is sexually inexperienced.
The double standard forces sexually active women to lie about their previous experience and high libido, fearing men will think they're a sl*t. Not so active women are forced to lie about their limited experience and low libido, fearing men will think they're frigid. In the early stages of dating, experienced women are downplaying their desire and abilities in bed, so that you guys don't realise they've had heaps of partners before you. Inexperienced women are acting like nymphos and trying to make you believe they will fuck like porn stars 24/7. Both kinds of women will try to match their perceived libido/experience with yours and hide their own.
It makes sense then that after the marriage, the nymphos aren't sexually satisfied and end up having affairs and the frigid girls can't keep up the charade any longer and simply stop putting out.
There's no quick fix to this problem, because the double standard has always existed and probably always will. Men just need to be aware that they are (often not consciously) forcing women to lie about their sexuality and women need to be encouraged to talk honestly and openly about what they really want.
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[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]
There's no quick fix to this problem, because the double standard has always existed and probably always will. Men just need to be aware that they are (often not consciously) forcing women to lie about their sexuality and women need to be encouraged to talk honestly and openly about what they really want.[/QUOTE]
Actually, there is a quick fix to the problem. Men shouldn't marry. If marriage forces women to lie about their sexuality then it forces men into slavery. Gentlemen should limit their activities to sport-fucking women and then moving on. This leaves all the of the poosy in a big communal pool available to all men for the fucking. The practice of taking wives removes all the pretty skinny poosy from the market driving up the threshold of wealth needed to get some decent poosy. The resulting competition among men creates chaos and allows women to have the advantage.
Fucking some fine poosy and then tossing it back into the pool is a great catch and release policy that increases the odds that the average wanker can score himself a good piece of ass every now and then. Women benefit from this poosy management program too because they don't have to tell lies just to get some sucker to marry them. No woman would be considered a hore either because they all can look forward to being treated the same. No more bragging about being married to a doctor or lawyer and wearing big blood diamonds. Oh no, they'll all be getting rooted without big alimony payments. Getting a good root will be its own reward.
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LMAO! That works for me. :)
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Sounds like a plan.
There is a good deal of hypocrisy on this board and RN is absolutely right about it. I for one have always maintained, I WANT women who are experienced, who have done and will do nasty things, who have had a lot of partners and know their way around the boudoir. I wish all men could "man up" enough to be honest with themselves and admit that this is what they REALLY want. :P
BTW Athlete, go [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] up a rope. RN is an excellent poster and we love her on here. I'd take her little toenail over 100 of you on here any day of the year. You may have a penis like I do but I don't consider you much of a MAN!
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Wow
Rubber, you are one hell of woman in your understanding and fairness in dealing with both sexes.
You should have your own TV and radio talk shows. You could help a lot of people.
My sincere thought after reading a few of your recent posts.
[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]There's no quick fix to this problem, because the double standard has always existed and probably always will. Men just need to be aware that they are (often not consciously) forcing women to lie about their sexuality and women need to be encouraged to talk honestly and openly about what they really want.[/QUOTE]
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A lot of men's attitude's come from standards created by women. Really, men spend most of their early years with their mothers who help form their later attitudes towards women. It is usually mamma telling them to marry a "good girl" when they grown up so she can have grandchildren to spoil. When her son starts dating and bringing home girls mamma is the one asking the girl how many boyfriends she's had before or if she is a virgin. Mamma is eager to make sure that her son isn't dating a sl*t. If the girl has had a quite a number of boyfriends mamma will be sure to tell him that he needs to get rid of that hore. Meanwhile, papa will be happy if the girl looks good and isn't a gold digger. Papa's other concerns are usually limited to hoping that his son doesn't knock up the girl and being proud that his boy is rooting some fine poosy.
On the other hand, mamma would have a stroke if her college educated son brought home some single mommy with children from different men. She will be sure to ask, "Son are you crazy? What are you doing with that hore?" She would be terrified of her friends finding out that her son is involved with a woman like that. So, women like mamma are really the ones out there branding women as hores and slots. They decide who is marriage material and who isn't.
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You're absolutely right, Chocha. Girls cop exactly the same thing from their own parents, just as our parents copped the same thing from their parents...going right back to, you guessed it, the beginning of organised religion. It was the Church who dictated what sort of woman was worthy of marriage and who devised the traditional roles of husband and wife. And told us how, when and where we should have sex. A Church run by men, for men.
The Church gave men the green light to screw around and take mistresses - if caught, it was the mistresses and wh*res who wore the Scarlet letter, never the man. The wanton woman was always to blame for 'good men' straying from the path of righteousness. The Church told women that the enjoyment of sex was prohibited - at some stages even suggesting that women who desired sex were in league with the Devil and should be tried as witches.
The Church messed with nature's two most important rules - the urge to procreate and survival of the fittest. We used to run around having sex indiscriminately to increase the chances of pregnancy. The strongest, fittest women made the ideal mate for the strongest, fittest man, who would then produce the strongest, fittest offspring. Ancient women were admired both as warriors and as nurturers, but the Church labelled their fire as rebellion and their natural empathy and instinct as 'emotion' - turning them into pathetic, frail creatures who needed to be controlled by a firm (male) hand. Leaving them solely as baby-makers. To be sure that those babies they were making belonged to the man they were supposed to, they created modern marriage.
Excuse the history tutorial, but I think it's a very, very important link to understanding the problems we have in society now. The Church denied the human nature of women. They denied us the right to autonomy and controlled our sexuality, but did no such thing to men. Men went through the centuries owning the world around them.
In recent years, the Church has begun to lose its hold on the masses and women have reclaimed what was denied them for so long. I'm not sure whether this was a conscious decision, or whether it was simply nature taking back its control over procreation, but women have clawed back their independence, their strength and their sexuality - which has been both a blessing and a curse.
Obviously, I firmly believe in the emancipation of women. However, without clearly defined gender roles, nobody knows their place in society any more. The messages are all mixed. Like Chocha said, mothers are still teaching their boys (and girls) what it takes to be a 'good' wife and mother. But at the same time, other mothers are telling their daughters (and sons) that women don't need a man at all. Social conditioning tells men that they need to take control and make the decisions and support the family - but these days women are being told exactly the same thing.
I see this as the reason why there are so many contradictions in the behaviour of both genders. Women want to be independent and in control, but they're still conditioned to also want to be supported and treated like a lady. How many times have you been on dates where your chivalry was sneered at, but you were still expected to pay for dinner? Men are enjoying women's new-found sexual freedom, but still taking advantage their Church-given right to walk away without consequence, leaving a trail of fatherless children and STIs in their wake. The courts also uphold these crazy double standards, acknowledging women's unpaid contribution to the household (equal property division), but still refusing to see unmarried women as capable of looking after themselves (alimony).
The Church obviously sees the shift in gender roles as being responsible for the 'moral decline' of today's society, because they're frantically trying to regain their control over women's sexuality - cracking down with renewed vigour on things like abortions, prostitution and contraceptives.
Pagan societies functioned perfectly well with both genders treated as equals. I'm sure we can do it too.
Sorry this ended up so long! :)
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One Wing Low and Bango...thanks for the props. :)
OWL: As sweet as it is for you to suggest it, men and women don't need to be listening to me on TV or radio - they need to be listening to each other!!!
I was totally blessed by my time in the sex industry. Wh*res get to see a side of both men and women that most people are never exposed to. Wh*res talk and, more importantly, they listen - to their clients and to each other. Being in a completely anonymous environment is extremely conducive to no-holds-barred conversation. Add arousal, nakedness, physical intimacy, etc to the mix and you have the ideal place to talk about all your fears, desires, needs and insecurities.
Men have told me all sorts of things about themselves, but they refuse to speak about them with their significant others. Clients and male friends talk about things their wives do or don't do, pressures they have at work, how they feel about their bodies, what they really want out of their marriages. But when I ask them if they've discussed it with their wives, they always say no. She wouldn't understand/she wouldn't want to hear it/she wouldn't care/she'd be offended/I don't want to bother her with this stuff...
Women do EXACTLY the same thing. How the hell are men and women ever going to understand each other and make each other happy, when we can't even TALK to each other?? You guys are on websites and in pubs b*tching about women and women are in other sites and pubs b*tching about men. All we're doing is perpetuating the gender stereotypes and getting each other riled up about the failings of the opposite sex. Then we're on the defensive and expecting the worst every time we go on a date, end up destroying the relationship before it even begins, then use the breakup as further 'proof' that all men are bastards/all women are b*tches.
We need to get off the merry-go-round!
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[QUOTE=Dickhead]
"A woman should be a peasant in the kitchen, a lady in the drawing room, and a harlot in the bedroom."
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Yeah well here's a few extra words from the Rock Dog.
Nowadays a woman is a chameleon in public, a walrus in the bedroom and a vulture in the courtroom.
Rock
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I like most of the hookers I meet but I proceed slowly and cautiously with them. I want to be with them 4 or 5 times before I get interested in seeing them regularly, and then I want some serious info about them. For example if they are to eat dinner of spend the night, I need to see ID. I am up front about that. But on the initial encounter I will not provide my ID I am risking much more as the foreigner. Hope that helps.
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There was no church in Asia for the past 50 years
Dear Rubber,
There iwas no church in Asia for the past 50 years.
Why is it that women in Asia fare even worse, then and now, than US or Western Europe women?
You should spend some time in Asia to find out how poorly your Asian sisters are doing....
[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]
The Church gave men the green light to screw around and take mistresses - if caught, it was the mistresses and wh*res who wore the Scarlet letter, never the man. The wanton woman was always to blame for 'good men' straying from the path of righteousness. The Church told women that the enjoyment of sex was prohibited - at some stages even suggesting that women who desired sex were in league with the Devil and should be tried as witches.
The Church messed with nature's two most important rules - the urge to procreate and survival of the fittest. We used to run around having sex indiscriminately to increase the chances of pregnancy. The strongest, fittest women made the ideal mate for the strongest, fittest man, who would then produce the strongest, fittest offspring. Ancient women were admired both as warriors and as nurturers, but the Church labelled their fire as rebellion and their natural empathy and instinct as 'emotion' - turning them into pathetic, frail creatures who needed to be controlled by a firm (male) hand. Leaving them solely as baby-makers. To be sure that those babies they were making belonged to the man they were supposed to, they created modern marriage.
Excuse the history tutorial, but I think it's a very, very important link to understanding the problems we have in society now. The Church denied the human nature of women. They denied us the right to autonomy and controlled our sexuality, but did no such thing to men. Men went through the centuries owning the world around them.
Sorry this ended up so long! :)[/QUOTE]
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Rubber Nursey,
Ancient women were admired as warriors?
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[QUOTE=One Wing Low]Dear Rubber,
There is no church in China or Asia for the last 50 years.
Why is it that women in Asia fare even worse, then and now, than US or Western Europe women?
You should spend some time in China to find out how poorly your Chinese, or Asian, sisters are doing....[/QUOTE]
Actually, I just returned from a week away with a whole lot of sex workers (mainly women) - including a decent sized delegation from Thailand, China and Korea. With SE Asia being our closest neighbours, we are very much concerned with how women are faring up there!
I'll admit that my response was very Anglo-centric and I apologise for that. But it depends on what you mean by Eastern women 'faring worse' than Western women? I was talking about Western men and women dealing with the consequences of empowerment and the reversal of traditional roles. I'm not sure that's really happened in many Asian lands.
In my opinion (and that's all any of my posts are) Asian culture is very, very similar to the rules and regulations the Church has placed on Western women all these years. Women are obedient and subservient, men rule the household, women raise the children (under the husband's guidance), etc. Thanks to TV and the internet and travel, Asian women are slowly starting to pick up Western ways and I believe that things will start changing dramatically in Asian countries, soon enough. But for now, Asian society cares very much about 'face' and public perception, keeping everyone toeing the moral line just like the Church did for so long in Western countries.
I haven't done a whole lot of research into ancient Asian cultures, so I can't comment on the links (if any) between Asian culture and organised religion, but they seem eerily similar to me. And I don't recall Asian society ever really treating men and women as equals, unlike the Kelts, Vikings, etc. To my knowledge (which could certainly be wrong) women have always played a submissive role in most Asian cultures.
Isn't that why so many men in this thread like Asian women so much? They constantly compare Western women to women in other cultures, with particular focus on their submissiveness, their rights as citizens and their willingness to please their man. Women in many other cultures 'know their place'. That's what I think women - and men - are having the most problems with in Western culture. Nobody knows their place.
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[QUOTE=Athlete]Rubber Nursey,
Ancient women were admired as warriors?[/QUOTE]
Yep. The Kelts, in particular, valued a woman's prowess in battle. The Vikings have legends about warrior women. The ancient Greeks and Romans both worshipped female warrior deities.
It's survival of the fittest. Men chose women for their strengths, not their weakness. Women in many ancient cultures owned the property, passed on the family name, ran the communities.
Women had the single-most powerful ability...the ability to create new life. At the time men didn't understand it, so they respected it. When organised religion came about, they no longer respected it - they feared it. It was the one thing that men could not control. That's why so many midwives were put to death as witches.
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Sorry...history is my passion and I've managed to go off on a crazy tangent about it. I didn't mean to. The point I was trying to make is that men and women have lived these ridiculous separate lives for way too long. We need to work together and communicate with each other if we ever hope to fix it.
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Knowing your place
[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]Actually, I just returned from a week away with a whole lot of sex workers (mainly women) - including a decent sized delegation from Thailand, China and Korea. With SE Asia being our closest neighbours, we are very much concerned with how women are faring up there!
I'll admit that my response was very Anglo-centric and I apologise for that. But it depends on what you mean by Eastern women 'faring worse' than Western women? I was talking about Western men and women dealing with the consequences of empowerment and the reversal of traditional roles. I'm not sure that's really happened in many Asian lands.
In my opinion (and that's all any of my posts are) Asian culture is very, very similar to the rules and regulations the Church has placed on Western women all these years. Women are obedient and subservient, men rule the household, women raise the children (under the husband's guidance), etc. Thanks to TV and the internet and travel, Asian women are slowly starting to pick up Western ways and I believe that things will start changing dramatically in Asian countries, soon enough. But for now, Asian society cares very much about 'face' and public perception, keeping everyone toeing the moral line just like the Church did for so long in Western countries.
I haven't done a whole lot of research into ancient Asian cultures, so I can't comment on the links (if any) between Asian culture and organised religion, but they seem eerily similar to me. And I don't recall Asian society ever really treating men and women as equals, unlike the Kelts, Vikings, etc. To my knowledge (which could certainly be wrong) women have always played a submissive role in most Asian cultures.
Isn't that why so many men in this thread like Asian women so much? They constantly compare Western women to women in other cultures, with particular focus on their submissiveness, their rights as citizens and their willingness to please their man. Women in many other cultures 'know their place'. That's what I think women - and men - are having the most problems with in Western culture. Nobody knows their place.[/QUOTE]Western women think the world owes them a living. Because they have a thing call giving life. To bad most don't do there job in learning how to take care of there other half. Useing sex as a tool. Ha ha ha after a few years of packing on all that lard. (some thing you don't see in ee countries that often) there are men that know whats going on in ee countries. The dyevuchkas know there place and competition is fierce for them finding a good man. I respect dr, shank he is god. I am sure he perfers some slim beautiful no bad attitude world don't owe me a living dyevuchka. Than a fat lard ass bad attitude na woman. Ha ha ha shanker you are laughing to yourself but you know what I am talking about. He he he I to have found paridise living there on and off for 10 years. You once said quote" once you taste the russian dyevuchka theres no turning back, you are fuck because you are hook. Truer words were never spoken dr. Shank. I know what you mean.
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HAHAHA we're about to enter a full-blown discussion of Isian vs Osirian civilizations here.
I think we went through the Mother worship thing, then the Father worship thing, now we are going to have to find a way to take the best of both worlds and run with it.
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My Wife Has No Desire for Sex. What Can I Do?
by gail saltz
todayshow.com contributor
updated 10:37 p.m. ct, thurs., oct. 25, 2007
q. menopause and hot flashes have taken my sex life away. my wife is 54 and started menopause at 46. for the past eight years it has been like i am married to my sister. my wife has no desire for sex and will not take hormones because they could cause cancer. i am not allowed to touch her because that would bring on a hot flash. there is no physical contact and what makes it worse is i love her so much.
we have been together 27 years and i cannot imagine being with another woman, if you lined up all the women, i still would pick her. she is so beautiful and it is torture not being able to hold the one you love. i think about sex with her all the time and am frustrated and sad and feel unwanted.
i do not want a divorce and do not want to start my life over. i want my wife back. i have lost hope that will ever happen and do not know how to adjust. i do not think i can go the rest of my life without being able to hold and cuddle and make love to someone who will love me back the same way i want her too. what can i do?
a. your note is very touching. can you show this column to your wife? when a man feels frustrated, sad and unwanted, as you do, he can unwittingly come off to his wife as angry and abrupt. you may not be expressing your feelings to her as eloquently as you are to me.
so if you do come off as feeling annoyed rather than feeling abandoned, the misunderstood result is that your wife doesn’t perceive your love and tenderness at all. instead, she retreats, feeling she is wanted only for sex. this will make a woman who is already not in the mood feel even less in the mood. an angry or importuning approach never feels like real intimacy, even if the desire for real intimacy is what's behind it.
things have probably snowballed over time so that now, every time you approach your wife, she thinks it is for sex. this is why she always has an excuse — like if you touch her, that will bring on a hot flash.
being touched does not trigger hot flashes. the bigger message from your wife is that sex, for whatever reason, is something she doesn’t want, so keep away.
it’s true that, for some women, their libido might be diminished by menopause, but that doesn’t mean her need for intimacy is. many post-menopausal women have active romantic lives with their husbands, even though intercourse might take more effort than before.
your non-sexual status has continued for eight years. if it keeps going, your love for your wife will start to diminish. your quality of life already has. as you know, the answer is not to find someone else. i certainly understand your wish not to live the rest of your life without being able to hold and cuddle and make love to your wife. with many years ahead of you, you shouldn’t allow her to impose this celibate state upon you. so here are a few suggestions.
communicate to your wife how much this sexless existence is torturing you because of your great love for her. and, to feel loved in return, you need to be sexual with each other. to start with, don’t coerce or insist. rather, let her know that you crave intimacy with her and feel abandoned without it, which is why she must help you change this. if she could truly stand in your shoes, she would want to do something about this, unless she doesn’t love you, which sounds like it is not the case.
studies on hormone replacement are conflicting. unless your wife has a family history of cancer, it’s unclear what the best course of action is. oral estrogen isn’t the only kind — there are creams and suppositories that can be used more locally. so one option is that your wife ask her gynecologist about hormone therapies that are not ingested. testosterone is really the hormone of desire, and she should probably have her level checked to make sure that's not the culprit. sometimes the answer is as simple as lots of lubricant.
because so much time has passed, you might need to see a certified sex therapist. after eight years of no sexual contact, it will probably help to restart slowly.
one technique used by certified sex therapists is to start with physical interactions that are not sexual. a technique called "sensate focus” means that you massage and touch each other in a loving way, excluding the genitals altogether. there are no expectations and no pressure. this works because it diminishes the anxious partner's worries about having sex. you later move on to include genitals but you do not have intercourse. only when the anxious partner is completely comfortable do you try intercourse.
ultimately, though threats are not a good way to improve your love life with your wife, it's reasonable to let her know that you don't think you can stay forever in a sexless marriage.
dr. gail’s bottom line: when one partner has shut the door on sex in a marriage, it can have devastating effects, so it is imperative to work on this.
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is this guy for real.........he's asking what he should he do!!!!!!!!!! he needs to
become a sex tourist and visit all the "sex" hot spots in thailand, brazil and the fkk's in germany...problemo solved.
[quote=chocha monger]by gail saltz
todayshow.com contributor
updated 10:37 p.m. ct, thurs., oct. 25, 2007
q. menopause and hot flashes have taken my sex life away. my wife is 54 and started menopause at 46. for the past eight years it has been like i am married to my sister. my wife has no desire for sex and will not take hormones because they could cause cancer. i am not allowed to touch her because that would bring on a hot flash. there is no physical contact and what makes it worse is i love her so much.
we have been together 27 years and i cannot imagine being with another woman, if you lined up all the women, i still would pick her. she is so beautiful and it is torture not being able to hold the one you love. i think about sex with her all the time and am frustrated and sad and feel unwanted.
i do not want a divorce and do not want to start my life over. i want my wife back. i have lost hope that will ever happen and do not know how to adjust. i do not think i can go the rest of my life without being able to hold and cuddle and make love to someone who will love me back the same way i want her too. what can i do?
a. your note is very touching. can you show this column to your wife? when a man feels frustrated, sad and unwanted, as you do, he can unwittingly come off to his wife as angry and abrupt. you may not be expressing your feelings to her as eloquently as you are to me.
so if you do come off as feeling annoyed rather than feeling abandoned, the misunderstood result is that your wife doesn’t perceive your love and tenderness at all. instead, she retreats, feeling she is wanted only for sex. this will make a woman who is already not in the mood feel even less in the mood. an angry or importuning approach never feels like real intimacy, even if the desire for real intimacy is what's behind it.
things have probably snowballed over time so that now, every time you approach your wife, she thinks it is for sex. this is why she always has an excuse — like if you touch her, that will bring on a hot flash.
being touched does not trigger hot flashes. the bigger message from your wife is that sex, for whatever reason, is something she doesn’t want, so keep away.
it’s true that, for some women, their libido might be diminished by menopause, but that doesn’t mean her need for intimacy is. many post-menopausal women have active romantic lives with their husbands, even though intercourse might take more effort than before.
your non-sexual status has continued for eight years. if it keeps going, your love for your wife will start to diminish. your quality of life already has. as you know, the answer is not to find someone else. i certainly understand your wish not to live the rest of your life without being able to hold and cuddle and make love to your wife. with many years ahead of you, you shouldn’t allow her to impose this celibate state upon you. so here are a few suggestions.
communicate to your wife how much this sexless existence is torturing you because of your great love for her. and, to feel loved in return, you need to be sexual with each other. to start with, don’t coerce or insist. rather, let her know that you crave intimacy with her and feel abandoned without it, which is why she must help you change this. if she could truly stand in your shoes, she would want to do something about this, unless she doesn’t love you, which sounds like it is not the case.
studies on hormone replacement are conflicting. unless your wife has a family history of cancer, it’s unclear what the best course of action is. oral estrogen isn’t the only kind — there are creams and suppositories that can be used more locally. so one option is that your wife ask her gynecologist about hormone therapies that are not ingested. testosterone is really the hormone of desire, and she should probably have her level checked to make sure that's not the culprit. sometimes the answer is as simple as lots of lubricant.
because so much time has passed, you might need to see a certified sex therapist. after eight years of no sexual contact, it will probably help to restart slowly.
one technique used by certified sex therapists is to start with physical interactions that are not sexual. a technique called "sensate focus” means that you massage and touch each other in a loving way, excluding the genitals altogether. there are no expectations and no pressure. this works because it diminishes the anxious partner's worries about having sex. you later move on to include genitals but you do not have intercourse. only when the anxious partner is completely comfortable do you try intercourse.
ultimately, though threats are not a good way to improve your love life with your wife, it's reasonable to let her know that you don't think you can stay forever in a sexless marriage.
dr. gail’s bottom line: when one partner has shut the door on sex in a marriage, it can have devastating effects, so it is imperative to work on this.[/quote]
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Not everyone can travel overseas, fyi German FKKs are something that you need to experience at least once in your life, they are incredible, a club filled with often supermodel quality women who will offer you any dirty fantasy come reality in the back of your head for a small amount of cash is amazing.
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Another thing he should do is lie next to her, beat off, and wipe it all over her.
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[QUOTE=Dickhead]Another thing he should do is lie next to her, beat off, and wipe it all over her.[/QUOTE]
BTDT :)))))
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[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]Not everyone can travel overseas, fyi German FKKs are something that you need to experience at least once in your life, they are incredible, a club filled with often supermodel quality women who will offer you any dirty fantasy come reality in the back of your head for a small amount of cash is amazing.[/QUOTE]
Co-sign
Its current $579RT to fly from LAX to Frankfurt,Munich, Berlin or Cologne. If you don't mind the cold weather, you could spend all day in an quality FKK.
I highly recommend it!
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Are men to blame for global warming?
10 November 2007
From New Scientist Print Edition
EVEN climate change cannot escape the gender wars. Now Swedish men are being blamed for having a disproportionately large impact on global warming.
The finger is squarely pointed at men in "A study on gender equality as a prerequisite for sustainable development" by Gerd Johnsson-Latham of the Swedish Ministry of Sustainable Development. She concludes: "The fact that women travel less than men, measured in person-kilometres per car, plane, boat and motorcycle - means that women cause considerably fewer carbon dioxide emissions than men, and thus considerably less climate change." She notes that 60 per cent of car emissions are created by the 10 per cent of drivers who use roads the most, and that men account for three-quarters of car driving in Sweden.
Women do not escape censure, however. The report notes that in Sweden, women spend four times as much as men on consumer goods and - in a further dig at men, albeit unintended - 20 times as much on hygiene products.
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Don't kid yourself, marriage is a rapidly dying institution in the USA. More and more people in Western countries are not getting married and its not surprising why this has happened.
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Advice to Young Men: Do Not Marry, Do Not Have Children
[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]Don't kid yourself, marriage is a rapidly dying institution in the USA. More and more people in Western countries are not getting married and its not surprising why this has happened.[/QUOTE]
Here is an article published a few days ago that encourages young men to neither get married nor have children.
I wonder if Dr. Stephen Baskerville is a fellow monger?
[url]http://www.americandaily.com/article/20896[/url]
Marriage is a foundation of civilized life. No advanced civilization has ever existed without the married, two-parent family. Those who argue that our civilization needs healthy marriages to survive are not exaggerating.
And yet I cannot, in good conscience, urge young men to marry today. For many men (and some women), marriage has become nothing less than a one-way ticket to jail. Even the New York Times has reported on how easily “the divorce court leads to a jail cell,” mostly for men. In fact, if I have one urgent piece of practical advice for young men today it is this: Do not marry and do not have children.
Spreading this message may also, in the long run, be the most effective method of saving marriage as an institution. For until we understand that the principal threat to marriage today is not cultural but political, and that it comes not from homosexuals but from heterosexuals, we will never reverse the decline of marriage. The main destroyer of marriage, it should be obvious, is divorce. Michael McManus of Marriage Savers points out that “divorce is a far more grievous blow to marriage than today’s challenge by gays.” The central problem is the divorce laws.
It is well known that half of all marriages end in divorce. But widespread misconceptions lead many to believe it cannot happen to them. Many conscientious people think they will never be divorced because they do not believe in it. In fact, it is likely to happen to you whether you wish it or not.
First, you do not have to agree to the divorce or commit any legal transgression. Under “no-fault” divorce laws, your spouse can divorce you unilaterally without giving any reasons. The judge will then grant the divorce automatically without any questions.
But further, not only does your spouse incur no penalty for breaking faith; she can actually profit enormously. Simply by filing for divorce, your spouse can take everything you have, also without giving any reasons. First, she will almost certainly get automatic and sole custody of your children and exclude you from them, without having to show that you have done anything wrong. Then any unauthorized contact with your children is a crime. Yes, for seeing your own children you will be subject to arrest.
There is no burden of proof on the court to justify why they are seizing control of your children and allowing your spouse to forcibly keep you from them. The burden of proof (and the financial burden) is on you to show why you should be allowed to see your children.
The divorce industry thus makes it very attractive for your spouse to divorce you and take your children. (All this earns money for lawyers whose bar associations control the careers of judges.) While property divisions and spousal support certainly favor women, the largest windfall comes through the children. With custody, she can then demand “child support” that may amount to half, two-thirds, or more of your income. (The amount is set by committees consisting of feminists, lawyers, and enforcement agents – all of whom have a vested interest in setting the payments as high as possible.) She may spend it however she wishes. You pay the taxes on it, but she gets the tax deduction.
You could easily be left with monthly income of a few hundreds dollars and be forced to move in with relatives or sleep in your car. Once you have sold everything you own, borrowed from relatives, and maximized your credit cards, they then call you a “deadbeat dad” and take you away in handcuffs. You are told you have “abandoned” your children and incarcerated without trial.
Evidence indicates that, as men discover all this, they have already begun an impromptu marriage "strike": refusing to marry or start families, knowing they can be criminalized if their wife files for divorce. "Have anti-father family court policies led to a men's marriage strike?" ask Glenn Sacks and Dianna Thompson in the Philadelphia Enquirer. In Britain, fathers tour university campuses warning young men not to start families. In his book, From Courtship to Courtroom, Attorney Jed Abraham concludes that the only protection for men to avoid losing their children and everything else is not to start families in the first place.
Is it wise to disseminate such advice? If people stop marrying, what will become of the family and our civilization?
Marriage is already all but dead, legally speaking, and divorce is the principal reason. The fall in the Western birth rate is directly connected with divorce law.
It is also likely that same-sex marriage is being demanded only because of how heterosexuals have already debased marriage through divorce law. “The world of no-strings heterosexual hookups and 50% divorce rates preceded gay marriage,” advocate Andrew Sullivan points out. “All homosexuals are saying...is that, under the current definition, there’s no reason to exclude us. If you want to return straight marriage to the 1950s, go ahead. But until you do, the exclusion of gays is simply an anomaly – and a denial of basic civil equality.”
We will not restore marriage by burying our heads in the sand; nor simply by preaching to young people to marry, as the Bush administration’s government therapy programs now do. The way to restore marriage as an institution in which young people can place their trust, their children, and their lives is to make it an enforceable contract. We urgently need a national debate about divorce, child custody, and the terms under which the government can forcibly sunder the bonds between parents and their children. We owe it to future generations, if there are to be any.
Stephen Baskerville, Ph.D.
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I think the guy's fulla shit. The first sentence he opens up with is already BS.
The ancient Greeks and Romans had families but NOTHING like the way we envision them today. They were pretty fucking far from monogamous.
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renting time from women: americans vs latinas
hi all,
I have spent 2 years mongering with colombianas in st maarten, once or twice a week, usually 3 girls per day. Cost is $40-$45 for 20 to 30 minutes CFS. DFK and BBBJ and other GFE is not common unless you repeat with the same girl, say about 20% BBBJ on the first visit (this is important to me). They have to session with at least 3 guys per day to pay their costs, at least 6 to make any money. An hour session costs $60 TO $100.
in this high volume brothel environment, it took me a long time to work out a scheme for eliciting GFE: give massages, bring latin music wiith me on my ipod to play in their room, give small gifts like CDs, and a few other tricks.
after fine tuning my strategy for 2 years I spent 12 weeks in the USA.
Yikes! Very few Colombian women when I was located. Smallish town (100,000 people).
For similar comfort and safety level, I decided I could only go with escorts that had been in business for a while. And they wanted about $300 for an hour. At first this seemed outrageously expensive versus $100, but when I compared the level of regular salaries in colombia with USA, $300 is actually aoout right to entice girls into the work.
I visited with about 20 girls in my small town and 3 in a large city nearby (where I used the most prestiguous agency recommended on some US boards).
My conclusions:
1. in small towns, the sex workers tend to be less beautiful than in the large city, for same price. this makes sense, not as great a population to draw on for workers and clients. many were older (mid 30s or more), or had some weight on them, or were skinny. didn't run into any obvious druggies at this price level. the colombian girls that come to st maarten average younger and cuter, but not by that much. the real stunners stay home in colombia. and the girls I visited in the big city were very good looking and gave great service.
2. 90% of the girls offered BBBJ without even being asked.
3. I used the same exact strategy on American workers as Colombians. Romantic music, massages for their sore backs and feet, small gifts, etc The results were very good. I had great sex with almost every one. The two best looking ones were not that great (one was 18 and had only been in the business a few days and the other was a brazilian with the best body i have ever touched, but not much sexual skill). In spite of my american friend's gloomy predicitons, I got the same reaction from American girls as Colombian. GFE service.
4. Unlike with latina girls, there was no jealousy or attempts to make me their exclusive "boyfriend". That was a relief.
So american working women are not so bad. (I have also mongered in German FKK clubs and in Singapore and in the Phillipines).
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Yeah but in Colombia you could get the same woman for 1/10 of what you would pay in the US, whereas they earn in the bigger cities maybe 1/5 of what you'd earn in the US.
I wouldn't say Colombian WGs offer a better GFE than American WGs though, In my experience they are pretty much neck and neck. Brazilians (IN BRAZIL) are far and away above both of them for that.
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[QUOTE=Zing23]hi all,
I have spent 2 years mongering with colombianas in st maarten, once or twice a week, usually 3 girls per day. Cost is $40-$45 for 20 to 30 minutes CFS. DFK and BBBJ and other GFE is not common unless you repeat with the same girl, say about 20% BBBJ on the first visit (this is important to me). They have to session with at least 3 guys per day to pay their costs, at least 6 to make any money. An hour session costs $60 TO $100.
in this high volume brothel environment, it took me a long time to work out a scheme for eliciting GFE: give massages, bring latin music wiith me on my ipod to play in their room, give small gifts like CDs, and a few other tricks.
after fine tuning my strategy for 2 years I spent 12 weeks in the USA.
Yikes! Very few Colombian women when I was located. Smallish town (100,000 people).
For similar comfort and safety level, I decided I could only go with escorts that had been in business for a while. And they wanted about $300 for an hour. At first this seemed outrageously expensive versus $100, but when I compared the level of regular salaries in colombia with USA, $300 is actually aoout right to entice girls into the work.
I visited with about 20 girls in my small town and 3 in a large city nearby (where I used the most prestiguous agency recommended on some US boards).
My conclusions:
1. in small towns, the sex workers tend to be less beautiful than in the large city, for same price. this makes sense, not as great a population to draw on for workers and clients. many were older (mid 30s or more), or had some weight on them, or were skinny. didn't run into any obvious druggies at this price level. the colombian girls that come to st maarten average younger and cuter, but not by that much. the real stunners stay home in colombia. and the girls I visited in the big city were very good looking and gave great service.
2. 90% of the girls offered BBBJ without even being asked.
3. I used the same exact strategy on American workers as Colombians. Romantic music, massages for their sore backs and feet, small gifts, etc The results were very good. I had great sex with almost every one. The two best looking ones were not that great (one was 18 and had only been in the business a few days and the other was a brazilian with the best body i have ever touched, but not much sexual skill). In spite of my american friend's gloomy predicitons, I got the same reaction from American girls as Colombian. GFE service.
4. Unlike with latina girls, there was no jealousy or attempts to make me their exclusive "boyfriend". That was a relief.
So american working women are not so bad. (I have also mongered in German FKK clubs and in Singapore and in the Phillipines).
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Shouldn't this post belong on the Short Term broad?
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hey, I was just reporting what I experienced in America. I was surprised how good the service was, given all the doom and gloom stories from my friends. Perhaps they were shopping at a lower price point! I wasn't necessarily saying was better value, but sometimes travelling mongers don't factor in the cost of vacation days lost, air tickets, hotels, etc. when computing the cost per hour with a girl.
World wide the most spectacular GFE I ever experienced was in the FKK clubs of germany, with a price significantly less than $300 per hour, even with the low $.
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Whose your Daddy?
Daddy not so dearest
Australian men's groups are calling for mandatory paternity testing of all newborns as it emerges a record number of men are finding they are not the fathers of children they believed to be theirs.
Almost a quarter of paternity tests conducted by one of Australia's largest DNA laboratory companies show the man submitting a sample is not the father, compared to an estimated one in 10 "exclusions" 10 years ago.
The number of tests taken in Australia has doubled from 3000 in 2003 to more than 6000 last year.
Thousands of men are turning to DIY testing kits - available online - to discover whether they are the biological father while they are still in a relationship and without telling their partners about their suspicions.
Some have brought up children to adulthood or paid tens of thousands of dollars in maintenance to the Child Support Agency (CSA) before finding out they have no genetic link.
Australian Men's Rights Agency co-director Sue Price said: "People's lives are being ruined by this. It is not just the men, it's the children who grow up thinking one person is their father and then find out it's someone else.
"In the future, more and more health treatments are going to be based on genetic technology, so it is going to be even more important to know who your biological father is.
"Mandatory testing would get rid of all these problems."
The DNA Bio Services lab conducts more than 2000 such tests a year from the sale of its DIY kits.
New 2007 figures compiled by the company show that one in 4.5 paternity tests exclude the man as the biological father - a record high since DNA testing began 10 years ago. Managing director Gary Miller said: "The increase is across all social classes and ages - it affects everyone.
"Before, a lot of the work was for men who had been contacted by a woman or the CSA for maintenance and wanted a test to prove they weren't the father.
"Now we see a lot of men in a relationship or just out of one who are just looking for reassurance that they are the father and then find out they're not and are completely devastated."
Under Australian law, the family courts will only order a paternity test if there are reasonable grounds to doubt that the estranged partner is not the biological father.
The CSA does not require proof of paternity beyond a birth certificate or acceptance by a man that he is the father. This means some men pay tens of thousands of dollars through the CSA before finding out they are not the father.
Even if they have brought the children up for years as their own, they are then denied any legal rights of access to them.
Some experts say the proportion of negative paternity tests reflects the fact that the men coming forward already have reasonable doubts, and that of the entire population, only 1 per cent of fathers are not the "real" parent.
Professor Margaret Otlowski, deputy director of the University of Tasmania's Centre for Law and Genetics, said: "I don't think mandatory testing is a good idea.
"I can see the argument from the point of view of creating certainty about parentage, but it would stem from a very suspicious premise and there would be huge implications in terms of relationships."
[url]http://www.stuff.co.nz/4278228a19716.html[/url]
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[QUOTE=Zing23]hey, I was just reporting what I experienced in America. I was surprised how good the service was, given all the doom and gloom stories from my friends. Perhaps they were shopping at a lower price point! I wasn't necessarily saying was better value, but sometimes travelling mongers don't factor in the cost of vacation days lost, air tickets, hotels, etc. when computing the cost per hour with a girl.
World wide the most spectacular GFE I ever experienced was in the FKK clubs of germany, with a price significantly less than $300 per hour, even with the low $.
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No Problem and I don't discount local vs overseas...
All I can go on is this -
Its been said before but I visited a LPN in Nevada and was quoted $700 for unlimited positions and as many "pops" I can have without clock watching but I would assume that would be an hour. I also assume CBJ, No Anal and more than likely some limited movement.
Compare that to flying to Europe in the off-season which currently is much less than $700 US R/T from LAX. Where if you economize, you can get $70US in a Germany FKK and get everything but Anal (in 1/2 hr) and it can vary from pretty darn good to outstanding GFE.
I got GFE once, ripped off another time and PSE another time. Between that, it was RLD "Quickies" and by the end of my 10 day stay in Frankfurt, I was basically tired of fucking...
All for about $600US at the time I went (this pass summer)
Locally, my goodness, you can't get that kind of value at any price, unless you go down to Mexico.
I'm not saying your experience is on the level of "Even a Blind Squirrel can find a nut" mentality I'm was just pointing out that maybe your experince would be best shared in the STR forum as I believe the main focus of this forum is American Women for LTR and why that's such a BAD IDEA.
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]Yeah but in Colombia you could get the same woman for 1/10 of what you would pay in the US, whereas they earn in the bigger cities maybe 1/5 of what you'd earn in the US.
I wouldn't say Colombian WGs offer a better GFE than American WGs though, In my experience they are pretty much neck and neck. Brazilians (IN BRAZIL) are far and away above both of them for that.[/QUOTE]
The big cities in Brazil are EXPENSIVE, and I don't think good Brazilian women are in any way easy, they have no problems marrying a good husband from their own country at all. I have run into large groups of students in Australia who come from Brazil, these people are obviously from the upper classes, and they are totally nose in air types. These Brazilians are pretty much 90 percent white European, and often have some rather racist attitudes too, Brazil is pretty damn racist, even the most rednecky parts of the Southeast US are nothing in comparison. Rio has reasonable providers but those in Sao Paulo are up in the sky expensive.
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I'd just like to point out that while we spend a lot of time complaining about North American women the guys in the countries we go to to get laid are fantasizing about our women.
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I've never been to SP but prices I have seen and heard about people paying range from R8 to R800. I think it's more all over the map than Rio is price-wise, but any price point can be found. Can't say I could say for certain what R8 would get ya though, if it's anything you'd wanna touch even with someone else's dick :P
I can GUARANTEE you no Colombian or Brazilian guy is fantasizing about American pussy, especially if they ever spent any time here. It's just so much easier to get laid PERIOD in those countries. Guys that aren't getting any there are not likely to make it to the US and if they get here they aren't getting anywhere near a decent-looking woman I can GUARANTEE you that!
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[quote=john pokes]i'd just like to point out that while we spend a lot of time complaining about north american women the guys in the countries we go to to get laid are fantasizing about our women.[/quote]
i agree with bango that it's a laughable notion that guys in south america are fantasizing about western women. maybe they do have a desire to bang certain hollywood celebrities, but how realistic is that?
having said that, i actually have met some *european* guys that do seem to like american women, believe it or not. one was a british guy who was a roomate of mine for a brief period of time in brasil. he had been to the states once before on vacation and apparently he did quite well for himself with aws; according to him, they loved his english accent, and after a spending an evening in the bars he always seemed to pull a "hot bird". keep in mind he was on vacation in florida, so i think that had something to do with it. but he actually was looking to return to the u.s. someday, and was asking me about the best place to meet women in california. i was actually speechless for a moment, since he was asking me this while we were living in brasil! but he really liked aws.
then, when i was in ecuador, i met a swedish guy who had lived in the u.s. for about a year, and he liked aws as well! in addition to having good luck in the bars, he also said he liked the strip clubs in the u.s. and specifically commented that "every city in the u.s. seems to have a strip club, even little towns out in the middle of nowhere". he also mentioned that prostitution in sweden was illegal.
i've never been to europe, so i can't compare women. i would like to point out that both of these guys seemed kind of dumb to me, so i never really put much value to what they said. maybe it's just the concept of leaving one sex prison for another, since the uk and sweden both seem repressive when it comes to sex, much like america.
or maybe, our women in america are opening their legs for every guy that crosses the atlantic?
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[QUOTE=John Pokes]I'd just like to point out that while we spend a lot of time complaining about North American women the guys in the countries we go to to get laid are fantasizing about our women.[/QUOTE]
I agree........Unfortunately most guys overseas assume wrongly that all AW here look like the women portrayed in the Hollywood movies. A complete falsehood IMHO.
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[QUOTE=Ezinho] Or maybe, our women in America are opening their legs for every guy that crosses the Atlantic?[/QUOTE]
Ezinho you might have a point with this statement. While I was studying in London many years ago it was pretty easy to pick up young AW, many of whom were backpacking through Europe during the summer.
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[quote=John Pokes]I'd just like to point out that while we spend a lot of time complaining about North American women the guys in the countries we go to to get laid are fantasizing about our women.[/quote]
[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]I can GUARANTEE you no Colombian or Brazilian guy is fantasizing about American pussy, especially if they ever spent any time here. It's just so much easier to get laid PERIOD in those countries. Guys that aren't getting any there are not likely to make it to the US and if they get here they aren't getting anywhere near a decent-looking woman I can GUARANTEE you that![/QUOTE]
While Bango is partly correct regarding how women [i]look[/i], he is incorrect about the fantasizing. I have read accounts about Latin men, mostly in the Dominican Republic, looking to hook up with American women. The going joke was that Dominican men were into the 3 Bs, [b]b[/b]londe hair, big [b]b[/b]oobs, and a [b]b[/b]lue passport. Latin men chase AW for the same reason that many Latin women chase us, the opportunity to marry and move to the US!
Other Latin men who prefer to stay in their countries do the same thing that Latin women do; they string AWs along and persuade them to send money overseas. The men who do this are called [i]sankies[/i]. They chat up fat ugly AWs and tell them how beautiful they are but need money to help their sick mothers, etc. etc. and the AWs oblige.
There is a movie about how overseas men prefer 'rounder' women, called "Phat Girlz". Some overweight Black women who are dissed in the US go to Africa where they are worshipped.
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Regarding recent posts about men not wanting to get married....
I'm 100% in agreement with this. The idea of a so-called marriage strike is absolute genius! Hit them were it hurts and deny them any chance whatsoever to get at you through legal means. Then you can negotiate terms from a position of strength.
No man in his right mind would (or should) ever consider marrying a western woman. If you must, find yourself a woman from some part of the world where marriage still means something. Treat her with a reasonable amount of respect and don't screw around on her (or at least keep it to a low-key minimum). You aren't anywhere near as likely to end up in some no-fault, feminazi legal nightmare.
I suppose another safe wayto get married would be to put it off until you can afford to expatriate and then get married in another country where the divorce laws aren't so insane.
Sometimes I think there are women out there who have their divorce plans made up before they even meet the victim... er, guy that they end up marrying. This makes me think of something I heard about Tom Cruise. There was a rumor that part of the reason he divorced Nicole Kidman was that he knew she'd be able to take him to the cleaners if they got divorced after being married for more than 10 years. So he struck first, and got rid of her before the "price" got too high. The guy might be a wacko, but he ain't stupid.
Rock
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George, I wasn't talking about the sankies. I was talking about Latin men thinking gringas are ATTRACTIVE and FANTASIZING about them.
Rock Dog, don't forget one important point, especially since you're writing from Canada, in that country once you have been shacking up with a girl for 6 months, you are automatically married in many respects in the eyes of the law. I had a friend in Toronto who played house with some stripper for just over 6 months, next thing he knew AFTER he got signed by a major label and his band got a nice advance to record from the label this fucking biatch appears out of nowhere, sues him and WINS. She even got half his PAID OFF house! So keep your own distinct address and careful about letting them crash too much :P
BTW in Colombia and Brazil the laws are much the same as they are in Canada, but the length of time is longer (2 years).
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Rock
Not marrying them won't help.
Women will just moan and groan until the laws get changed and you will have to split your assets after dating them for a year wether you live with or marry them or even if you don't.
Hell has no fury like a woman scorned.
A woman who is intent on getting hold of a mans assets will find a way or a gulliable man.
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[QUOTE=Sasha Coffee]Not marrying them won't help.
Women will just moan and groan until the laws get changed and you will have to split your assets after dating them for a year wether you live with or marry them or even if you don't.
Hell has no fury like a woman scorned.
A woman who is intent on getting hold of a mans assets will find a way or a gulliable man.[/QUOTE]
That would be a very far stretch. If women were to try and get the laws to give them half of a man's assets simply because he dated them for a year it would be recognized for what it is, prostitution. Women are not entirely stupid either, they would realize that such a move would mean the end of a steady supply of free dinners and gifts. The law wouldn't get very far once men start refusing to take women out on dates and opting for one night stands as the relationship of choice. The only people fucking in the country with such a stupid law would be the lower classes. The wealthy men will travel abroad for sex and the rich girls will be relegated to fucking blue collar workers. The later is not such a bad idea. Anyway, the native born population would go into a serious decline along with society. Once civilizations start going to extremes their collapse follows rather quickly.
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[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]That would be a very far stretch. If women were to try and get the laws to give them half of a man's assets simply because he dated them for a year it would be recognized for what it is, prostitution. Women are not entirely stupid either, they would realize that such a move would mean the end of a steady supply of free dinners and gifts. The law wouldn't get very far once men start refusing to take women out on dates and opting for one night stands as the relationship of choice. The only people fucking in the country with such a stupid law would be the lower classes. The wealthy men will travel abroad for sex and the rich girls will be relegated to fucking blue collar workers. The later is not such a bad idea. Anyway, the native born population would go into a serious decline along with society. Once civilizations start going to extremes their collapse follows rather quickly.[/QUOTE]Hi CM,
I think your post is very logical, however we are talking about emotional creatures and they almost always defy logic. IMHO a lot of what you say is already happening, lots of guys won’t date AW, and they travel abroad for sex. (I’m one of them.) oh and have you heard of "palimony"?
BTW because they’re emotion driven is exactly why I will [b][u]never[/b][/u] vote for a female for political office. Again that’s just MHO.
Punter 127
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[QUOTE=Sasha Coffee]Not marrying them won't help.
Women will just moan and groan until the laws get changed and you will have to split your assets after dating them for a year wether you live with or marry them or even if you don't.
Hell has no fury like a woman scorned.
A woman who is intent on getting hold of a mans assets will find a way or a gulliable man.[/QUOTE]Hi SC,
You’re right on the money, that's exactly why they are cheaper by the hour!
Punter 127
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[QUOTE=Chocha Monger] If women were to try and get the laws to give them half of a man's assets simply because he dated them for a year it would be recognized for what it is, prostitution. Women are not entirely stupid either [/QUOTE]The power of short term greed will trump long term common sense every time.
Besides, there is always a new crop of American men to lead to slaughter. They
will think that no one has ever been in love like them before.
I thought like that once, before I was burned.
Well twice, actually. I'm a slow learner...
DB
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What CM described is already the norm.
Palimony lawsuits have been around 30 years.
A NY high court ruled that a guy who shacked up with his GF for a couple years and then they broke up, now he must pay her child support for kids who aren't even his.
With the hold that feminists have in UK and Sweden, I doubt things are all that different.
CM: isn't marrying for money already prostitution?
Proceed with caution out there, my brothers. These are angry dangerous hostile times for men.
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DB:
You're right about short term greed. There will always be people who prefer slaughtering the golden goose for a meal rather than being content with a golden egg laid each day. Of course, all the golden geese tell themselves that they will never become the main course at dinner because they are much more valuable laying that golden egg each day. Then one day they find the housewife looking at them with a gleam in eye and axe in hand.
Yogin:
Yes. Marriage is a state sponsored form of prostitution. In the US it is the only legitimate version of this age old activity except for the State of Nevada which allows more straightforward manners of sexual commerce.
Sweden is in an even stronger feminist strangle hold than the US. The only difference is that some of the women there realize that they can't dominate men while expecting them to pay for everything because that would be slavery.
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Lets face it.
The world is about to take a step back 150 years but the roles will be reversed it will be the men that end up not being able to work, vote or have any rights outside the home.
Rue the day men. The more women in politics the more likely it is to happen. Its well on the way already. Then watch the world disintergrate into the emotional prison of a womans hormones.
Stand tall and fight, burn your jockstraps. I wish you all good luck and long may the world have the sanity of males to keep our female hormones under control to some extent.
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Men are already treated as second class citizens in the United States and it will continue until American men grow some balls and stand up for their rights. I have seen females in positions of power and most of them simply don’t handle it very well. Remember they only have the power we allow them to have; now they won’t like hearing that but the truth is we are still the stronger sex.
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[QUOTE=Punter 127]Men are already treated as second class citizens in the United States and it will continue until American men grow some balls and stand up for their rights. I have seen females in positions of power and most of them simply don’t handle it very well. Remember they only have the power we allow them to have; now they won’t like hearing that but the truth is we are still the stronger sex.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure about it...
Most of the women only take so called lower management jobs and done up bored work...Americans have plenty of freedom to pursue what they like...
Sergei Brin, Larry Page from Google rented their office in a garage which a women owned..
James Thomson..stem cell research guy has more than 50% of his research team as women..
In no where did the women intervene where men wanted to go..its just the two popular stories we know however, there are 1000's of venture funding in silicon valley started by Men and all doing well.
America is where most of the Alpha male strive and are born...the folks who come as immigrant in beta stage are transformed into Alpha status as soon as they come to America.
As far as making money and academic success are concerned....Its up to each man and women's own capability..
In relationship...the road is much harder in America...and it will get tougher for men everywhere....with women becoming more independent..
but if you have money and go around the world ..who cares...which government comes and goes..what policies they make to give women more right..
Money is a a great solvent man invented..its solves most of the problems
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[QUOTE=Born Loser 5]I'm not sure about it...
..., there are 1000's of venture funding in silicon valley started by Men and all doing well.
America is where most of the Alpha male strive and are born...the folks who come as immigrant in beta stage are transformed into Alpha status as soon as they come to America.[/QUOTE]
There is a saying that necessity is the mother of invention. If that is true, why do you feel that men are starting so many new ventures in Silicon Valley? I believe that it is because the traditional corporate employer has become fearful of feminist lawsuits and is de facto hostile to men. The men who are capable, the Alpha males, have responded by leaving the corporation and starting their own ventures. It used to be that these men would invent WITHIN a corporation in its Research and Development Division and have its financial backing.
Immigrants who arrive as Betas and become Alphas do so out of necessity. There is no more room in the US for Beta males. They (we) have been displaced by women. I agree with Punter. Men in the US, especially Beta males, are second class citizens. Women and Alpha males are the first class citizens.
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I don't see why women being independent in and of itself has to be the kiss of death for relationships. Maybe if you think that way you need to take a long hard look in the mirror and examine your OWN philosophy regarding relationships.
Look, here in NYC it would be the easiest thing in the world for me to hook up with some 20 or 30 something Bronx Dominican hood rat with a VERY traditionalist, socially conservative mentality, conditioned to being a good hausfrau, cooking, cleaning and staying home. All you need is some half-decent Spanish and a little (not tons of) money in the bank and not to look like a troglodyte and you're set.
I would want a serious relationship with one of those types of girls like I'd want a case of HIV though! Those are the MOST JEALOUS BIATCHES IN THE UNIVERSE. I have friends who married girls like that, some of them can't even so much as grab a bite to eat on the way home because they will be greeted with a jealous rage if they do so!
Bottom line, if you want a girl that is willing to have her freedom and mobility severely curtailed for the sake of the relationship, you better be prepared to have your own wings clipped too!!
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]I don't see why women being independent in and of itself has to be the kiss of death for relationships. Maybe if you think that way you need to take a long hard look in the mirror and examine your OWN philosophy regarding relationships.
Look, here in NYC it would be the easiest thing in the world for me to hook up with some 20 or 30 something Bronx Dominican hood rat with a VERY traditionalist, socially conservative mentality, conditioned to being a good hausfrau, cooking, cleaning and staying home. All you need is some half-decent Spanish and a little (not tons of) money in the bank and not to look like a troglodyte and you're set.
I would want a serious relationship with one of those types of girls like I'd want a case of HIV though! Those are the MOST JEALOUS BIATCHES IN THE UNIVERSE. I have friends who married girls like that, some of them can't even so much as grab a bite to eat on the way home because they will be greeted with a jealous rage if they do so!
Bottom line, if you want a girl that is willing to have her freedom and mobility severely curtailed for the sake of the relationship, you better be prepared to have your own wings clipped too!![/QUOTE]
I couldn't agree more...
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]I don't see why women being independent in and of itself has to be the kiss of death for relationships. Maybe if you think that way you need to take a long hard look in the mirror and examine your OWN philosophy regarding relationships. [/QUOTE]
[quote=DJ FourMoney]I couldn't agree more... [/quote]
I don't know if you guys are directing your comments specifically at me, but my post did not mention relationships at all. I was speaking SOLELY about how men are treated in US society in modern days.
The degree of independence that a man may desire in his wife is an issue to be negociated between the couple. No one has the same mileage.
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[QUOTE=George90]I don't know if you guys are directing your comments specifically at me, but my post did not mention relationships at all. I was speaking SOLELY about how men are treated in US society in modern days. [/QUOTE]
I agree with George, I don’t know who you were directing your comments too but my post was about how men are treaded in the USA .
[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]I don't see why women being independent in and of itself has to be the kiss of death for relationships. Maybe if you think that way you need to take a long hard look in the mirror and examine your OWN philosophy regarding relationships.
[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]I couldn't agree more...[/QUOTE]
Sounds like it came right out of a neo-feminist handbook. They have been trying to brainwash all of us into thinking this way for many years. (Seems to be working)
Again this is just IMHO.
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[QUOTE=Punter 127]I agree with George, I don’t know who you were directing your comments too but my post was about how men are treaded in the USA .
Sounds like it came right out of a neo-feminist handbook. They have been trying to brainwash all of us into thinking this way for many years. (Seems to be working)
Again this is just IMHO.[/QUOTE]
Brainwashing?
I vividly remember a small conversation during my training driving for "The Great Pumpkin" that if you have the kind of wife that calls you for the smallest things at home and you can't handle it, maybe you should seriously think about another career choice.
I want my other half to believe she can handle things if I was away from the house or can be counted on to make important decisions without consulting me first.
I agree with George that is to be worked out before being married...
But I also agree with Bango, I don't think it was completely directed at George.
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[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]Brainwashing? .[/QUOTE]
Yes, I believe there has been a Brainwashing/Propaganda campaign by neo-feminist in the USA for years.
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]
I vividly remember a small conversation during my training driving for "The Great Pumpkin" that if you have the kind of wife that calls you for the smallest things at home and you can't handle it, maybe you should seriously think about another career choice.
I want my other half to believe she can handle things if I was away from the house or can be counted on to make important decisions without consulting me first.
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I don’t know anything about your experiences with "The Great Pumpkin", but I assume you are looking for that “other half” (are would that be the “better half” ) outside USA. I wish you luck with that, but I don’t really see what your comments have to do with AW considering….[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]
I don't like how AW behave I am done with them, I was just making a comment.[/QUOTE]
DJ I’m not trying to bust your balls or flame an august poster such as you, I’m just stating my opinion, and believe me when it comes to AW I have graduated from the school of hard knocks. Just connect the dots AW and neo-feminist.
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Punter, I'm just speaking from what I have seen and experienced myself, both first and second hand. My ex and I didn't work together because we didn't want the same things out of life, and because she had an entitlement mentality that was driving me crazy. But it wouldn't have been made better if she were a June Cleaver type. It woulda been even WORSE, she woulda wanted a whole bunch of expensive shit I had no intention of buying with MY hard-earned money, and the whole thing woulda been a shambles. Worse, back in the day, divorces were much less common and much harder to get, so instead of splitting up amicably we woulda been at each other's throats.
I just don't think the root of the problem is feminism. I think some people on the board (I'm not pointing fingers here nor was I in my previous post) are using feminism as a scapegoat for a general cultural malaise that's eating the whole country alive.
At any rate my current fiancee who has yet to be out of Colombia has a much more "feminist" outlook on life than does my AW ex.
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Bango, I’m also just speaking from what I have seen and experienced myself. I suspect we share some similar life experiences, but came away with different conclusions.
I think the “entitlement mentality” and feminism go hand in hand.
I lived through the second and third wave of feminism in the USA and I can’t see where it has done anything but hurt men and families, it’s about power not equality, and I think most feminist are hypocrites.
As for “general cultural malaise” I think you under estimate the feminist movement, their constant belittling of men and male bashing is very much apart of that “general cultural malaise”.
I don’t know where you live or how old you are, but wave two of feminism gave us no fault divorce and it has been the law of the land since at least the 70’s in the state I live in, and it’s a very conservative red state.
I also don’t know anything about your fiancée and she may be an exception. But I have known a lot of Latino chicas, and most them haven’t got a clue what AW mean by feminism. If you ask AW and Latino chicas to define feminism I think their replies would be like night and day.
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Just because a woman is of a particular ethnicity(eg. Hispanic, Asian, etc) does not mean a thing because she is still influenced by the dominant culture of her surrounding society. Asian women living in America are no different than white females in between the ears. I have also met plenty of nose in air hispanic girls in the US, spend some time in South Florida, you will have no difficulty finding premadonna Latinas. Contrast this with an Eastern European woman living in her own country, on the outside she might appear to be no different than you average Anglo American female but most likely she is not.
Feminists are hypocrites, incidentally many are racist, and its been proven in the past that feminists have often used racism to further their cause, look up women's suffrage, the suffragists of those days appealed to racists.
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[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]Just because a woman is of a particular ethnicity(eg. Hispanic, Asian, etc) does not mean a thing because she is still influenced by the dominant culture of her surrounding society. Asian women living in America are no different than white females in between the ears. I have also met plenty of nose in air hispanic girls in the US, spend some time in South Florida, you will have no difficulty finding premadonna Latinas. Contrast this with an Eastern European woman living in her own country, on the outside she might appear to be no different than you average Anglo American female but most likely she is not.
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I agree ethnicity means very little if they’re living in the USA. When I said "Latino chicas" I was speaking of chicas in Spanish speaking countries.
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Not my experience at all.
I'm 34, born and raised in Canada, but now a dual citizen, living in the Bronx. Since my late teens I have never really been super-short on pussy, although the 6 years I spent in Toronto was I guess comparatively a bit of a dry spell. :P I'm not Adonis but I'm not horrid either, I guess I'm somewhere in the middle. Girls who like the way I look say I'm really good looking but that's probably because I just fall within their specific parameters IMO. And I'm not only far from rich, I'm actually a super cheap motherfucker :P I live almost like a monk!
Personally I bet if you ask two AW for their definition of feminism you will get two totally separate answers, or two LA women. Not to mention Latin America is HUGE, and you can find any subculture you like within it, just like in the USA, but if we are talking social norms, that's another thing.
I don't get why I always hear this line about girls falling all over guys in Latin America somwhere (ESPECIALLY Colombia), but they couldn't get arrested for murder by a decent looking Latina here in NYC. I have no problems hooking up with them here, as a matter of fact the p4p scene here has gotten so pathetic I'm actually considering banging one. Which shows really how bad it's gotten because I vastly prefer just paying for it and not having any issues after.
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I Was Wrong!
[quote=bango cheito]not my experience at all.
i'm 34, born and raised in canada, but now a dual citizen, living in the bronx. since my late teens i have never really been super-short on pussy, although the 6 years i spent in toronto was i guess comparatively a bit of a dry spell. :p i'm not adonis but i'm not horrid either, i guess i'm somewhere in the middle. girls who like the way i look say i'm really good looking but that's probably because i just fall within their specific parameters imo. and i'm not only far from rich, i'm actually a super cheap motherfucker :p i live almost like a monk! [/quote]bango, i was wrong your life experiences and mine are totally different. i don’t mean to flame or belittle but i have over twenty years of life experiences on you, and i’m old enough to remember what life was like before "wave 2" of feminism. that doesn’t make my opinion any better than yours, just more experienced. i think in the end you and i will just have to agree to disagree, but i wonder how you will feel about aw twenty years from now. it’s not just about getting pussy; it’s about living a life of servitude to women.
nac’s (north american cunts’ ) don’t want equality they want superiority!
btw i’ve been in toronto several times and the pussy flowed pretty freely for me. (go figure.)
[quote]personally i bet if you ask two aw for their definition of feminism you will get two totally separate answers, or two la women. not to mention latin america is huge, and you can find any subculture you like within it, just like in the usa, but if we are talking social norms, that's another thing. [/quote]well i’ve known chicas from at least 7 spanish speaking countries,(but not living in the usa) and going by what i hear from them they think aw are fat, stupid, sexually cold, and that aw don’t realize how good they have it.
[quote]i don't get why i always hear this line about girls falling all over guys in latin america somwhere (especially colombia), but they couldn't get arrested for murder by a decent looking latina here in nyc. i have no problems hooking up with them here, as a matter of fact the p4p scene here has gotten so pathetic i'm actually considering banging one. which shows really how bad it's gotten because i vastly prefer just paying for it and not having any issues after.[/quote]you didn’t hear that from me, and of all the chicas i’ve known colombian is not on the list. (but i’ll work on it.) you speak of the p4p scene in nyc, well the last time i checked prostitution is illegal in ny, who do you think is responsible for that, men perhaps? the neo-feminist nac’s would cut your balls off and hand them to you for partaking in prostitution, if they could.
i hope you will look past your own personal experiences, and lend an ear to what others have to say, and consider the experiences of your brothers that passed before you.
you might start with this old post, i don’t agree with all of it, but its good food for thought.
[quote=that asshole]dear gentlemen,
it is safe to say that the reason why most of us attend to this forum is because we want to fuck more
meat.it might be a good thing, however, what is the use of "fucking more meat" if we not also have a good
life at the same time. such as comfortable living conditions, security, peace of mind, reasonable health,
good company and control over our affairs.
travelling to far-away "****-ries" has some merits and can make us more independent from us females, we
certainly gain some freedom and immunity from manipulation by sex or the lack of it. i can testify for it
because it works. but there are various hardships on the way and the benefits are only temporary, needing
to top-up frequently. all this has made me realise that our real work is at home, in our own "****-ry",
(wherever we may live). (notice the spelling? it is no mistaik.)
to improve our conditions right here and regain control as we used to have long ago.
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the writer proposes that year 1920, the enactement of the 19th amendment to the us constitution was the end
of us democracy. for the purpose of eventually doubling the income tax-base and in an instant to create a
mindless, screaming mass of voters/consumers who can be most easily and predictably controlled by well
aimed propaganda: "american women were given voting rights and could be nominated for position in
government". thereby "real" democracy died.
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appearances
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this mindless mass of most easily manipulatable consumers/voters -who only care about their appearance and
the outside appearance of things- comprise at least 51% of the population. they can be most easily
hypnotised by flashing bright images in their faces, are hysterical, insecure, paranoid, emotionally
driven, unable to think logically by nature and are totally indecisive.
by appealing to this mass of "puppets", any senseless policy can be passed -by the sheer number of female
voters, (51%++) - and yet bear the sign of "democracy". even though the result is always easily
predictable. they will vote for it.
by flashing the images of "increased police, sick-care, child-welfare", no matter how stupid the general
agenda is, they will vote for it. we are not even asked because 51%++ already decides without us.
surely you will realize this. the minimum you can do is that you abstain from any voting at all. why
bother? it will make no difference at all. do they think you are stupid?
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under this regime, by flashing selected graphic images in the faces of mindless public (51%++), all kinds
of hysterias can be created such as: aids hystery, drug hystery, cancer hystery, smoking hystery, terror
hystery, and so on.
all these, supported by the screaming masses, create absolutely huge profits to selected groups. the writer
proposes that without the "huge screaming" of the mislead masses none of these would be issues of any
importance. the writer can individually dismiss all of these artificial hysterias as "false". detailed
discursion may follow later but surely, instinctively we all know that they are false. and yet they roll in
absolutely astronomical revenues by keeping the masses of 51%++ screaming ever louder.
the writer also proposes that they are deliberately antagonising men and urge us for aggression, using open
and covert education for this purpose from a young age. purposefully creating ideals of "individual
heroes", thereby reducing our chances of ever agreeing, especially in matters concerning females.
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even though the problems are evident the writer admits that nothing can be done against it on the short
term. most (but not all) nations of this planet run by the same "global syndicate" and the "screaming,
mindless masses of 51%+" have become the principal building pillar of global economy. as well as
representing more than 51% of voters they are the spenders, moneyspinners and even principal tax-payers.
so, reducing their influence is not a matter of great urgency anywhere. quite to the contrary, previously
cautious and conservative "****-ries" (now you know the reason for the alternative spelling) are opening up
to "women rule", in order to increase spending and spin the fast cash.
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but why is it "bad"?
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if it hasn't occured to you before then ask first: "why did a forum like this have happen?" with 150,000+
subscribers, and the multitude of other forums and the legions of sex-traveller men just like you. was that
by chance or for a reason?
under the present "regime", problems are treated the usual female way: on the surface, by scraping the top
a bit and giving it an attractive paint-job. this pleases 51%+ of (legally equal) voters and does the job
fine. however temporarily. problems resurface soon with increased ferocity and again oppressed by even
increased forces. in the meantime of course earning solid profits and comfortable living to various
industries that specialise in "fighting".
yet it still pleases at least 51%+, so no probs because the other 49% don't make any difference. plus they
are so deprived of the "object of their pleasure" that they do anything for minimal favours. in effect the
screaming, mindless 51% easily becomes 51%++++++.
in this fashion police suppresses uprisings and "irregular behaviour", bacterias and viruses are "killed",
tumors cut out, surface players of drug distribution are regularly skimmed (while demand kept all high),
police are featured as "heroes", new "magical" face creams and "no effort" weightloss programs are sold by
the truckload. looks very rosy, let's all rejoice.
new infections crop up, new tumors, masses screaming bloody murder at anyone looking different, demanding
more security cameras for "safety". and new lies. in fact we all rot in shit while looking very happy on
the surface and we are supposed to smile and cheer when the national flag is raised. we are a bunch of
mindless morons. how happy...
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the plain truth of today:
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salivating, pumped-up "pussimen
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mindless, screaming mass of "face-painting ladies" 51%+, closely followed by salivating, pumped up
"pussymen" running around in circles and screaming -"oh no, another bacteria, another deadly virus,
terrrrorists all over the place, we all gonna diiiiie now, will someone please save us, oh, oh...dear."
as you have probably figured it out by now: without screaming ladies (51%+++) and "pumped-up pussimen"
there would be no issue of virus, tumor or terror. as it was explained to you above you have no vote at all
any more. then why do you bother voting at all? and if you are not one of the "pumped-up pussymen" then
please stop the screaming about aids, terrorists, global warming and other ridiculous shit. if you cannot
live as a man then why bother. you might as well be taken by any of the above and it will be no loss at all.
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not equal, by nature
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wear a t-shirt or something: "i am not equal with women". refuse to vote until votes are taken away from
the "puppets". buy a ticket to phnom penh where they are still treated like common shit. you can make up
your own list. just don't believe in "magic" treatments like women do. this curse will take a long time to
go away.
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conclusion:
so, yes this tumor has been growing since at least 1920. possibly longer. the russians made them "equal"
first in 1918 to fully support their totalitarian system. easiest handle is where the mind is absent. the
us had no choice, but to follow course. now, being an economic "super-****-ry" the basic condition for
trading with any other ****-ry is that they liberate the shit. otherwise no deal. surely you knew all this
already just didn't know how to say it. if we were just whingeing about it to exercise our mouths then we
would be like women. the difference is that we understand and act accordingly. pointless whingeing is for
women. tell us, what is the list of things that "you" can do?
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stop screaming
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the first point on your list will be: "from today i will think, and stop screaming like ladies and
pussi-men." -you see? aids, terror and the like already disappeared.
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stop being a "hero"
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the second point:"from today i will stop fighting. especially in front of women. if we fight they just
think shit of all of us. no matter how they urge me to be violent, i will say: no to violence against men."
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Well at any rate I'm out of the country in another half a year, give or take.
I always blamed the illegality of prostitution in the US to christianity, NOT feminism first.
Also, the fact that it was illegal but so BLATANTLY tolerated up through the early 90s that many local residents just got fed up and now the pendulum has swung the other way. In some areas in the Bronx is was still pretty blatant right through the late 90s. Hunts Point there used to be girls walking naked in broad daylight. And in some areas they used to break into parked cars to use them as quickie hotel rooms, sometimes leaving the car open to get rained in and leaving the used condom on the seat etc. :p
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]Well at any rate I'm out of the country in another half a year, give or take.
I always blamed the illegality of prostitution in the US to christianity, NOT feminism first.
Also, the fact that it was illegal but so BLATANTLY tolerated up through the early 90s that many local residents just got fed up and now the pendulum has swung the other way. In some areas in the Bronx is was still pretty blatant right through the late 90s. Hunts Point there used to be girls walking naked in broad daylight. And in some areas they used to break into parked cars to use them as quickie hotel rooms, sometimes leaving the car open to get rained in and leaving the used condom on the seat etc. :p[/QUOTE] It may have been “Blatantly tolerated” in the Bronx but that certainly shouldn’t be considered the norm for all of the country.
Why is it so many people especially those who don’t originate in the USA think NYC is indicative of the rest of the country? :confused:
Some religious groups fight against prostitution, but I think you will find many feminist especially early feminist are/were also Christians.
You really should do a little research on “women’s suffrage” and check some feminist websites for their position on prostitution.
I think you will find thinking like this;
[i]“Nineteenth century feminists including Elizabeth Cady Stanton, Harriet Martineau and Margaret Sanger were inspired by the movement by early feminists to start looking at prostitution not viewed in the male terms but see women as victims of male society. Victorian feminists saw women in prostitution not as the horrible man-sucking vampires [b][u]some Christians[/b][/u] portrayed them to be but as victims of men’s desire to keep women oppressed. These new views lead to a growing change in the status and aggressiveness of women in the nineteenth century.”[/i]
If you find a feminist group that’s demanding women have the [b] [size=+1] “ [u] right to choose[/u] ” [/b][/size] prostitution as a profession. Let me know I may make a contribution, it is after all her body. :rolleyes:
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[QUOTE=Punter 127] I’m old enough to remember what life was like before "wave 2" of feminism. .[/QUOTE]
Man...Wave 1 has already began in Asian countries..more and more feminist are taking admiration from the feminist west and have started sort of movement in Asia.
Its better to fukc today and not wait for tommaorw :)