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There is a young lady I work with. She's 21, and pretty with big whopping monster tits. Consequently she has had every man in her life throwing themselves at her feet, and she has an unbelieveable princess mentality.
She also has a severely overdeveloped case of the "hot boys, hot boys" thing. Guys who she doesn't consider "hot" (pretty, rich, sexy, "bad and exciting"), barely register with her as HUMAN, let alone as potential dating partners.
I'm very glad to report that she today got shit on and DUMPED, Some guy (doubtless a rich prettyboy asshole, who can pick and choose among 20 girls at any given time) literally told her that he was deleting her phone number, and she couldn't call him anymore.
I'm sure that after throwing her little snatch at these guys for a couple of years, she will decide that "men suck".....it's all our fault as a gender after all
B9k
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A couple questions...
[QUOTE=Sinanju Master]Back in early to mid '98, I was doing a LOT of research into the possibility of actually opening a strip club in my metropolitan area, but the close-minded Bible-thumping peasantry was a HUGE factor that entered into the equation.[/QUOTE]
Well, I've never looked into opening a strip club myself, but am curious about how one goes about doing it (not going to do it myself though!) Instead of posting a report, I think I'll just ask a couple general questions that no one's ever really been able to answer for me:
1. Obviously, trying to open up a strip club in a bible-thumping section of the U.S. is not the way to go. And even though this country seems more puritanical than ever, there are still "pockets of resistance". Just to prove my point, the first strip clubs I ever went to in this country were in San Francisco, the most frequented being Mitchell Brothers O'Farrell Theater. There, one could grab ass and fondle tits without having a bouncer throw you out, and once inside the private rooms, negotiations for hand jobs, blow jobs and sex began (depending on the dancer, of course). Haven't been back in a few years, but I've heard it's still more or less the same. So, my point is it all depends on where you're located. Now the question I have for the entrepreneurs on this board is this: has anyone ever looked into what it takes to open up a brothel in the one state where you actually can? Why hasn't an establishment like an FKK or a Termas (Rio) opened up somewhere in NEVADA? Just put the money issue aside for a second, and focus on the possibility of it for now (pretend you have an unlimited amount of cash if you want). Again, sorry if this is a stupid question, but I'm genuinely interested in any answers guys may have on here...
2. Now lets assume my plan for the Terma-style club in Carson City doesn't work out. Luckily, the U.S is not an island; and those of us that are lucky enough, depending on where we live, can make a drive to either Canada or Mexico. I'm not going to ask about Canada, since I've never mongered there, but I have been to TJ, and am familiar with the P4P down there. IMHO, it's pretty disappointing, but still better than anything in the U.S. So, why hasn't someone opened up a quality club there (again, like a Terma, for example), or anywhere else on the US-Mexico border? Obviously, prostitution is allowed in designated red light areas, so that's not the problem. It seems like a business savvy American (or Mexican, I guess) could really clean up with a high quality club, and flying to San Diego is a lot cheaper and easier than flying to Rio or BKK. Again, let's leave out money for a second and just focus on whether it's even viable. And if this is a stupid question, again, I apologize...
Not sure if this is the right thread for this post, but since I'm replying to one of Sinanju's posts I guess I'll just leave it here. If Jackson thinks it should be put somewhere else (Prostitution business ideas, perhaps lol), he can move it if he wishes...
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Ezinho
SF is and always HAS BEEN apart from such religious nonsense. It's pretty much an area of free thinkers and a "live and let live" attitude. However, there are pockets of the country (the SOUTH, for example) where if you are not of the prevailing religion, then you are suspect.
Money must ALWAYS be an issue because you will have to defend yourself in court against some ******* who feels it is his civic duty to rid the community of the "filth" that your enterprise represents. Defending yourself means LAWYERS. They are sharks in and of their own right and will represent a SUBSTANTIAL portion of your operating expenses in order to STAY in business.
A strip club would be easier to operate and keep open than a FKK, because if ONE customer decides to be an asshole, he could alert the constabulary and they would send in someone undercover to bust it up. I've kept abreast of such activity occurring in Florida. The owner of the club in question is slipperier than an eel and has always prevailed, but that doesn't dampen the resolve of the RELIGIOUS WRONG. You wouldn't BELIEVE the bullshit rules the city in question have imposed upon the club. Also, GET THIS; in a meeting of the public and city council, a stripper of said club once busted on a member of the city council, stating specifically that he was a regular customer of the club he was attempting to shut down.
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[QUOTE=Ezinho]Well, I've never looked into opening a strip club myself, but am curious about how one goes about doing it (not going to do it myself though!) Instead of posting a report, I think I'll just ask a couple general questions that no one's ever really been able to answer for me:
1. Obviously, trying to open up a strip club in a bible-thumping section of the U.S. is not the way to go. And even though this country seems more puritanical than ever, there are still "pockets of resistance". Just to prove my point, the first strip clubs I ever went to in this country were in San Francisco, the most frequented being Mitchell Brothers O'Farrell Theater. There, once could grab ass and fondle tits without having a bouncer throw you out, and once inside the private rooms, negotiations for hand jobs, blow jobs and sex began (depending on the dancer, of course). Haven't been back in a few years, but I've heard it's still more or less the same. So, my point is it all depends on where you're located. Now the question I have for the entrepreneurs on this board is this: has anyone ever looked into what it takes to open up a brothel in the one state where you actually can? Why hasn't an establishment like an FKK or a Termas (Rio) opened up somewhere in NEVADA? Just put the money issue aside for a second, and focus on the possibility of it for now (pretend you have an unlimited amount of cash if you want). Again, sorry if this is a stupid question, but I'm genuinely interested in any answers guys may have on here...
2. Now lets assume my plan for the Terma-style club in Carson City doesn't work out. Luckily, the U.S is not an island; and those of us that are lucky enough, depending on where we live, can make a drive to either Canada or Mexico. I'm not going to ask about Canada, since I've never mongered there, but I have been to TJ, and am familiar with the P4P down there. IMHO, it's pretty disappointing, but still better than anything in the U.S. So, why hasn't someone opened up a quality club there (again, like a Terma, for example), or anywhere else on the US-Mexico border? Obviously, prostitution is allowed in designated red light areas, so that's not the problem. It seems like a business savvy Mexican (or American, I guess) could really clean up with a high quality club, and flying to San Diego is a lot cheaper and easier than flying to Rio or BKK. Again, let's leave out money for a second and just focus on whether it's even viable. And if this is a stupid question, again, I apologize...
Not sure if this is the right thread for this post, but since I'm replying to one of Sinanju's posts I guess I'll just leave it here. If Jackson thinks it should be put somewhere else (Prostitution business ideas, perhaps lol), he can move it if he wishes...[/QUOTE]
Lack of knowledge is mostly the reason. The brothel industry in Nevada hasn't had a new idea since the Hover Dam was built. Basically the thought is - "If it ain't broke..."
They get an influx of women from Southern California usually those that wouldn't do well vs. the high priced talent in this area. Or women from markets with plenty of providers but hardly any high paying consumers.
How Dennis got the powers that be at HBO to have an actual SERIES about his brothel is beyond me. That is the new puritan thinking you have in America at work.
Anyway, a Terma style brothel in Nevada would blow the lid off its competition in minutes!
When word got out that you didn't have to fly down to Brazil or out to Europe or Thailand to get PSE and GFE at reasonable prices and the girls make PLENTY of money and are happy, you couldn't stop the men from coming in and the women from trying to work there...
Why somebody hasn't done it is beyond me and like I said, I think its safer to just copy what others are doing, instead of striking out on your own and putting monster money into your brothel and being unsure of your return if you do so.
That's what stops the current brothels from being 4 star resorts they could be given the money available in America...
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[QUOTE=Ezinho] So, why hasn't someone opened up a quality club there (again, like a Terma, for example), or anywhere else on the US-Mexico border? Obviously, prostitution is allowed in designated red light areas, so that's not the problem. It seems like a business savvy Mexican (or American, I guess) could really clean up with a high quality club, and flying to San Diego is a lot cheaper and easier than flying to Rio or BKK. Again, let's leave out money for a second and just focus on whether it's even viable. And if this is a stupid question, again, I apologize...[/QUOTE]
There is usually a lot more beneath the surface than it seems. In places like Mexico it not simply a question of the law saying that you can open a club and then doing it. In order to get the legal wheels turning you must grease them first, and that means paying a number of corrupt officials tamales/mordidas (bribes) just to get them to do their jobs in the first place.
Competing establishments have been there longer than you and therefore have better connections. They have no interest in seeing you succeed and will likely make it difficult if not impossible for you.
Then there is the security issue. The narcos might think that your establishment is a good retail outlet for their wares and you will have to find a way of keeping them out without getting caught up in one of their wars.
There are also chica management and liquor license issues. I guess guys with enough money to start a venture like that figure that there are easier ways to make money without all the headaches.
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to add on...
Opening and running a strip club comes with a lot of problems. Among them are:
- Dishonest employees who will rip you off.
- Prima Donna dancers who may be unreliable
- Competition who will try their best to destroy you
- the Public (as discussed before)
- Law enforcement
- the infiltration of drugs into your club,
which will give the public the excuse to get LE involved
The average strip club (as of 1998) pulls in about $5M a year. One VERY successful strip club was the Gold Club in Atlanta. I went there before it was raided because of prostitution issues (with a LOT of sports celebrites) and a host of other problems. The Gold Club raked in $20M a year. The owner was incarcerated (for tax issues, also, I believe) and it is now under new management. There are other successful clubs in Atlanta (the South, mind you), but they all have access to quality legal help. They seem to have worked out the bugs inherent to the business, BUT remember, if you are the new kid on the block, THEY are your competition. They will have the advantage of reputation, length of time in the business and resources. DON’T get me wrong guys, I’d LOVE to see a small, upstart club make it big on the merit of their service, but KNOW what you’re getting into before the business sucks your money faster than an AW intent on making you pay for the lobster dinner without the intent of reciprocating.
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strip clubs
The other day I was at a strip club for the 1st time in a long time. I just walked in to have a beer. I still like to look at a good lookin gal and have a beer every once in a while so I go on happy hr when theres no door charge. I like to go in and check out all the guys spending money for dances a LOL at them thinking none of them could ever have been to any decent mongering destination.(THAILAND,PHILS, COSTA RICA or BRAZIL) If they have theres no way they spend 20 bucks on a 3 min Non touch, sit on your hands LAP tease. I really have to feel sorry for them in a way cause they know nothing better. We have a club here near where I live thats 40 bucks US for a total nude VIP ROOM lap tease and this place is always packed. This strip club obsession is the reason why no FFK type clubs will ever make it to the US shores. Theres no reason to FUCK a guy for 100 when you can just dance for him with limits on any touching for 10 minutes for a 100. And these gals are total stuck ups most of them. Fact is in the 25minutes I was there in the club I had 3 gals walk right up to me and ask point blank. WANT A DANCE??? No HI My name is so and so how are you? whats your name?? I thought you know these girls know nothing about selling a GFE to you and they hit you right at your money. All 3 without fail when I said Thanks but no thinks just walked away and that was that. WOW
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a very strange place
Criminalization of prostitution in the US is a relatively recent development. Until approx 1910 it was generally treated as no more than a misdemeanor, and more often than not simply ignored. Between 1910 and 1920 every state passed laws regulating, mostly banning, sex for hire. This coincided with the successful campaign to allow women to vote, passed in 1920.
I'd say that coincidence is exactly the kind of thing this forum is all about.
Strip joints, massage parlors, escort services, etc. are all second rate attempts to circumvent the law prohibiting the plain old brothel. As is always the case with making something illegal, the price goes up and the quality goes down.
In case you hadn't noticed, America is a very strange place.
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Hardbag,
You touched on the KEY point why there are no legal FKK style clubs in the US. It's because women don't want them. They oppose anything that even sounds like prostitution...... and when there's some man opposing it, you can bet he's got a woman standing behind him making sure he says what she wants to hear.
That's why P4P is where it is. It's hard to get any benefit by supporting the idea, but it's easy to benefit (socially and politically) by opposing the idea.
I don't think it will ever be completely eliminated, because there is simply too much demand by men with money to spend. Even with strip clubs siphoning off a lot of the money, there's still a lot of guys that want full contact and are unwilling to settle for such an unsatisfying substitute as a strip club.
Rock
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strip clubs
Ive said it a few times that strip clubs are degrading to men.The reason they still exist is because women can benefit from them.Maybe not all women agree with this but too many make a good living at it.Besides the money there is no contact and full time security watching their back thats something any ***** would appreciate.I assume some might have to give it up to the bouncers or club owners but what a small price to pay for a cash business.I dont hear too many stories of women being forced to stay.More than likely they would only need to service one or two men compared to several as a full contact prostitute.
I have heard there are still sleazy strip clubs in the deep south with mainly a black clientel.Can anyone verify this? 10 years ago in south florida I used to go to a few sleazy biker bars with chunky sluts that would work your bone for $10 they all had vanished or super sized the last time I was there.
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Hardbarg,
All that also coincides with Prohibition, the federal laws outlawing alcohol.
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If you live in North America, you don't have to go very far to get off, our northern neighbor, Canada, has some fine places for p4p, Montreal is the sex capital of North America, and is consistently ranked among the top ten cities in the world to meet beautiful women. Vancouver is another good spot. There is also the Caribbean and Mexico. Spending the last half a decade in Australia, for the long run Aussie women are just as bad as their American counterparts, they will rarely commit themselves to a relationship, although some might be fun in the beginning, in the long run, they get old, fat, ugly, and nasty after a while.
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CBGB,
It's been a while since you posted. The guys were beginning to think that one of those Aussie sharks, the terrestrial kind, got you. It's pretty much like when you buy that new car; the flawless paint and the distinct fragrance of new upholstery can be estatic. However, a few years down the road you can be left feeling cheated, wondering why you shelled out all that loot for such a heap. :D
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Shocking AW Ad
"What you get: Delicious wet panties - Used panties that have been worn and then rubbed into me while I'm wet. These will be vacuum packed then sent to you in a plain looking envelope. Your privacy is always respected. Cost: 35.USD"
WTF? I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw this one. Thirty-five dollars to smell some old bird's yeast encrusted drawers! Yes that's right, an old buzzard. I hope you didn't think that you were going to get to sniff some 18 yr old skank's drawers for $35 because it would probably cost $200. No dear fellows, Connie is pushing 50+ yrs and still thinks men should pay just to get a whiff of that postmenopausal poon. Hey this is America!
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[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]WTF? I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw this one. Thirty-five dollars to smell some old bird's yeast encrusted drawers! Yes that's right, an old buzzard. I hope you didn't think that you were going to get to sniff some 18 yr old skank's drawers for $35 because it would probably cost $200. No dear fellows, Connie is pushing 50+ yrs and still thinks men should pay just to get a whiff of that postmenopausal poon. Hey this is America![/QUOTE]
Hey-as you say-This is America-land of free enterprise. If Connie can fetch that price for her used panties who are we to complain.
But really Japan is the driving force behind the used panty market.
[url]http://www.kontraband.com/show/show.asp?ID=1259&rtn=main-topten[/url]
In light of this I would settle for Connie's product...