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Young guys need to have a cowboy attitude to succeed.
If they're going to NY, LA, SF, Chicago, or similar high-cost area, the reason to do so should be to fast-track their careers.
If you're willing to bust tail, you can get the job title and skills to make $50-$60k in a couple years.
Then, my advice? Either decide how far out you are from 6-figure potential, or go out and recreate your income in a middle-sized American city unless you have a clear, measurable path to making the kind of cheddar you need to stay and thrive in those areas.
You'll go nowhere making that kind of money in a major American city. A LOT of guys were playing all this b. S. Real estate stuff. But now that's a game of musical chairs, where there just aren't enough chairs left. That road to quick appreciation wealth gone, I think the major metros will start feeling another round of decline the next 5 years. Its cyclical.
But, take your skills and title, search out a position in a mid-sized city, you'll make enough money to start buying real estate. And if you source your new city right, you should be able to buy cash-flowing residential property, which is relatively easy and stable to hold long-term, and is something you won't really find in the major metro's.
Besides, a young guy has stiff competition in a dating market like LA. That's a hardcore game being run there. The same kind of guy could actually meet some sweet and nice gals in some Southern cities I'm thinking about, and have himself a good time, all the while budgeting to go overseas.
I don't know what to do about American citizens having enough kids for replacement population. Our loose borders are a big concern. Its one thing if we are welcoming people from other countries who have skills necessary to contribute to a complex society such as ours, but our biggest immigration growth is in relatively unskilled people who, if you do an economic analysis, cost much more than they add to the economy, at the chagrin of the liberal intelligentsia, who wants them a voting block. In addition, the whole issue of illegal immigration galls most middle Americans, and rightfully so. If people enter the country flaunting the laws of the land, and they are tolerated, what message does that send about the value and integrity of our society? We're just a cheap and easy ****, and that's a slap in the face to established American citizens.
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NY is definitely a special case because of the sky-high rents here, but I don't think ANYWHERE in the country is what it used to be economically, OR socially.
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NY and California are special cases because both areas are highly involved in international trade, they also have significant numbers of skilled immigrants compared to other parts of the country. The reality is that the US today is nothing like in years past, on the economic front you can thrive in a lot of other places, pluck and prosperity today are not exclusive to Americans anymore.
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Johnny,
Immigration has being going on for centuries, there is a natural flow of people moving from one parts to the another.
America would not have being America..if europeans have not moved from europe due to issues back there.
India have being accepting immigrants from 1000's of years, parsis, Jews, whom even europe discarded were accpeted in India and more recently, tibetens are being accepted, dalai lama and all tibetens monks headquerters are in India.
Now, all monks, persians and jews came emty handed, but still they were accepted, and even today, they follow there own customs and culture and the people & indian government does not interfere and slowly they have gelled into indian society.
It is totally heartless to say, if you do not posses any skills we don't want you..its America's time to face immigrants, cos its prosperous now..people with issues become immigrants most of the time....if they possess skils and can live in their homeland why would they come to America at first place.
The majority of first generation immigrants will not have skills, but In America as we have seen, surely the second, third generation Americans will be more skilled and contribute to the society like bill gates, obama, sergie brin and million others
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I think it's the opposite actually. Immigrants usually come with valuable skills and contribute to the greater society peacefully, although they are generally way underpaid for what they do. Their children on the other hand wind up exposed to American public schools among other things and not only wind up less skilled, they have a very high rate of criminality.
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[QUOTE=Born Loser 5]Johnny,
Immigration has being going on for centuries, there is a natural flow of people moving from one parts to the another.
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All true and well and nice, but the United States is an almost singular case in that the rule of law is at the core of being an American. Without the Constitution, without law, an "American" is a hard thing to define. In contrast, a person from China or France or Russia does not need to reach very far to know who they are if the government falls apart and the law breaks down. When people arrive in the US skipping ahead of the law, it's fundamentally at odds with the principles that hold the country together.
As for being heartless, it's a shame there's a lack of resources in the world; in a sense it's heartless that the time and money spent in a mildly pointless discussion in cyberspace can not be effectively used to help people in Darfur. But that's the way it is. We apparently would rather use these resources to employ a bunch of network engineers and programmers and designers and other highly skilled professionals to sustain the information infrastructure than just send that money to some worthy and unfortunate person in Africa.
It's not clear to me that it's "heartless" for an American parent to want to see their tax dollars go to funding a quality education for thier own kids. The American parent has enough problems and is under enough pressures, moving a bunch of people into a school district who are not paying much in the way of taxes and have plenty of kids - that's got it's own heartless edge to it.
Certainly, you must have dealt with these kinds of issues in your own life? You've had to deal with wanting to do something desirable and good and not had the time and money to make it happen, right? It works the same way in national life.
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Bl,
I actually realize immigration is a necessary route to obtaining enough people on a replacement basis to have our country function properly.
I don't believe we should tolerate illegal immigration. As JellyD points out, we have very little in the US besides a belief in core constitutional principles and Rule of Law, both of which are under surprising attack nowadays.
Immigration into the US is difficult is you take legal channels. Its arduous and long, and often separates families for years.
Then you have classes of people that flaunt immigration laws entirely, and come as they please from a perspective of the law.
That I can not support. It galls me and many like me that both parties cater to this faction, because they both realize politically the need to swing those votes in this and future generations.
In a complex, vertically scaled society such as ours, we should welcome immigration. We have to, because in the wake of feminist reform, domestic families are not replacing themselves, or creating enough young people to fill future generations.
But don't we have a responsibility, if this is the land of opportunity, to keep it that way?
We should be welcoming people who have skills that are needed by our country, not tolerating people who are coming her for their own selfish reasons and flaunting the laws and working for individuals within our country that are flaunting the laws to employ them.
Unskilled labor is critical to agriculture, esp. In the SW. Fine, institute and enforce a guest labor policy.
The problem in the U. S. Is that rule of law must start at the bottom and flow all the way down, covering all.
Immigration is a necessary component of the future of this country. I accept that from a pragmatic point of view. BUT, unmanaged immigration has disastrous consequences.
I've seen the liberal left make argument after argument that illegal hispanic immigration is good for the Southwest US. Acceptable economic analysis paints a very different picture, with the net cost to society being in the billions.
In the last few decades, people have been fed never-ending propaganda of how the U. S. Must leave and solve all the world's problems. You don't have to be very well-versed in economics or financial matters to understand what a mess we've made out of our domestic situation. And look at the squabbling over all this reform law, specifically since it targets mongering and related issues of being a hetero male. VAWA, VAWA II, IMBRA, now this HR 3887, if it passes. Increased shaming of men for consensual prostitution busts on a local level. All unconstitutional in my book, all very reactive social policies.
My point is, the US needs to regain some sense of responsibility to our own domestic situation first and foremost.
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[QUOTE=Jelly Donut]All true and well and nice, but the United States is an almost singular case in that the rule of law is at the core of being an American. Without the Constitution, without law, an "American" is a hard thing to define. In contrast, a person from China or France or Russia does not need to reach very far to know who they are if the government falls apart and the law breaks down. When people arrive in the US skipping ahead of the law, it's fundamentally at odds with the principles that hold the country together.
As for being heartless, it's a shame there's a lack of resources in the world; in a sense it's heartless that the time and money spent in a mildly pointless discussion in cyberspace can not be effectively used to help people in Darfur. But that's the way it is. We apparently would rather use these resources to employ a bunch of network engineers and programmers and designers and other highly skilled professionals to sustain the information infrastructure than just send that money to some worthy and unfortunate person in Africa.
It's not clear to me that it's "heartless" for an American parent to want to see their tax dollars go to funding a quality education for thier own kids. The American parent has enough problems and is under enough pressures, moving a bunch of people into a school district who are not paying much in the way of taxes and have plenty of kids - that's got it's own heartless edge to it.
Certainly, you must have dealt with these kinds of issues in your own life? You've had to deal with wanting to do something desirable and good and not had the time and money to make it happen, right? It works the same way in national life.[/QUOTE]
Well Said...However, personally i had more issues with women kind than immigrants :)
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[QUOTE=Born Loser 5]Johnny,
Immigration has being going on for centuries, there is a natural flow of people moving from one parts to the another.
America would not have being America..if europeans have not moved from europe due to issues back there.
India have being accepting immigrants from 1000's of years, parsis, Jews, whom even europe discarded were accpeted in India and more recently, tibetens are being accepted, dalai lama and all tibetens monks headquerters are in India.
Now, all monks, persians and jews came emty handed, but still they were accepted, and even today, they follow there own customs and culture and the people & indian government does not interfere and slowly they have gelled into indian society.
It is totally heartless to say, if you do not posses any skills we don't want you..its America's time to face immigrants, cos its prosperous now..people with issues become immigrants most of the time....if they possess skils and can live in their homeland why would they come to America at first place.
The majority of first generation immigrants will not have skills, but In America as we have seen, surely the second, third generation Americans will be more skilled and contribute to the society like bill gates, obama, sergie brin and million others[/QUOTE]
Dude you are dreaming American is becoming a total shithole the Ellis Inland days are over.
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]I think it's the opposite actually. Immigrants usually come with valuable skills and contribute to the greater society peacefully, although they are generally way underpaid for what they do. Their children on the other hand wind up exposed to American public schools among other things and not only wind up less skilled, they have a very high rate of criminality.[/QUOTE]
Dude what U.N. Charter are you reading next you will call for One World Government. We are losing jobs here in the State and bringing poor immigrates here. For what? For what Jobs? Get a life read a book. look around you and stop listening to these fool on T.V.
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[QUOTE=Johnnybmeya]Bl,
And look at the squabbling over all this reform law, specifically since it targets mongering and related issues of being a hetero male. VAWA, VAWA II, IMBRA, now this HR 3887, if it passes. Increased shaming of men for consensual prostitution busts on a local level. All unconstitutional in my book, all very reactive social policies.
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Violence Against Women Act of 1994 (VAWA)
The Violence Against Women Act of 2000 (VAWA II)
The International Marriage Brokers Regulation Act (IMBRA)
Child Soldier Prevention Act of 2007 (HR 3887)
Some guys might wonder if this relatively recent string of legislation really impacts them. There's a great essay by Edward Levi "an introduction to legal reasoning" where he discusses the Mann Act (aka the White Slave Traffic Act) which passed through Congress in 1910. He talks about the original arguments which were used move the act through Congress. There was a lot of concern about women being imported into the United States at the time for the purpose of prostitution.
The interesting thing in Levi's discussion is the variety of cases that came to court under the Mann Act and the way various courts added to the law, defining law that went beyond the original arguments used to move the legislation through Congress. The courts needed to address questions like, say, what if the woman (victim) is self-trafficking? What if you run a brothel and take your employees on a vacation across state lines? Ambiguity within the Act created an opening for years of legal activity. The cases that came before the courts certainly covered territory that was never considered when Congress passed the Act.
IMBRA ought to be renamed the "Immigration Lawyer and Bureaucrat Employment Act of 2006" or the "American Pussy Protection Act" or the "Additional Barriers to Marriage Act". Still, it does not seem likely courts are going to overturn it, since it seems grounded in Article I, Section 8. Commercial regulation across borders. The fact that the consititution does not cover marriage is getting some attention these days. I guess you could counter the federal government was never intended to regulate marriage in any way.
Anyway, I'm not a lawyer, if I were to get married, based on my situation, I'd consider moving to the bride's country and marrying there since the United States has a culture where contention and law play such a dominate role in most relationships.
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[QUOTE=Three I]Dude what U.N. Charter are you reading next you will call for One World Government. We are losing jobs here in the State and bringing poor immigrates here. For what? For what Jobs? Get a life read a book. look around you and stop listening to these fool on T.V.[/QUOTE]
Tsk tsk. Listen my little green friend, first I don't OWN a TV, haven't for four years. Secondly. I AM A FUCKING IMMIGRANT. Put that one in your pipe and smoke it. This country couldn't even keep its own lights on without the help of immigrants.
And I suggest some remedial education to help counteract that "quality" American education your ass got. Then people won't have to read your posts multiple times to get over the spelling and grammar errors in a TWO SENTENCE POST!
What I'm saying is anybody who thinks IMMIGRATION is what's ruining this country is an IDIOT who WATCHES TOO MUCH TV!
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And by the way I am not a religious nut.[/QUOTE]
Well, I'm curious why you take the time to say you are not a "religious nut". Does this mean you understand what you are saying is considered nutty?
Your ideas are not new. For instance -
"I WILL continue the consideration of some of the points in our political system, of which the foreign conspirators take advantage in their attacks on our liberties. We have seen that from the nature of the case the emigrant Catholics generally are shamefully illiterate, and without opinions of their own. They are and must be under the direction of their priests." - Samual Morse, 1835. "Foreign Conspiracy Against the Liberties of the United States"
If this 'conspiracy' is still a running venture, I give it damn poor marks. 180 years and all the Catholics the Pope has apparently been throwing at the Republic keep getting educated and turning into productive members of American society. The United States has thrived and prospered like no other nation in history over those 180 years.
It's very difficult to see you as "not a religious nut" - can you explain what you mean by that? It seems like you understand that what you are saying is the sort of thing people expect to hear from a religious nut. How are you different?
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The US is going into a decline phase, every great power has entered into a decline. This is nothing new. I really don't think the US is looking the same these days. Of course the US has thrived and prospered like no one else for the past 200 years but note the word "past", I am not sure about the future, it looks more like Asia's century for wealth than anyone else's.
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[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]The US is going into a decline phase, every great power has entered into a decline. This is nothing new. I really don't think the US is looking the same these days. Of course the US has thrived and prospered like no one else for the past 200 years but note the word "past", I am not sure about the future, it looks more like Asia's century for wealth than anyone else's.[/QUOTE]
Actually CBGB you have good reason for gloom and doom, however I think a few us understands how the government works and how they try and take advantage of the uneducated as they don't know any better. Just think of the people that still hope Obama isn't Muslim like that somehow has an effect on things anyway.
Its how our government has taught dumbies that Muslims are bad in any form.
Being a Christian is good, LOL, they can't be serious!
Its this stupid religious "under-current" in our social system that throws everything off and you can't have an intelligent conversation 90% cause they just don't get it.
The key is our education system; it needs to be rebuilt and we have to be more vigilant about who we put in office and who they are connected too.
It can be done, we can undo the damage of the last 25-30 years of conservative rule, after all Teddy's "Square Deal" and FDR's " New Deal" moved this country in a progressive direction unforeseen in any industrialized nation.
While traditional colonial powers where busy rebuilding themselves from WW2, we prospered positively and jumped ahead of them all! We can do it again, we can no longer afford to be asleep at the wheel and until America starts looking like Beirut in the 80's or the Gaza Strip currently, why are people so CONCERNED with being attacked again?????
Notice you have not heard anything about the terror alert system lately? Its because we aren't listening!
What all this has to do about American Women, I have no idea - :D