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Legal Tender, what Bango Cheito is saying is not off the mark. While the media tends to focus on the rags-to-riches immigrant stories this is not the typical experience for most immigrants. Many immigrants must face language barriers, lost of credentials, lost of social status, low pay and discrimination on a daily basis. They don’t have a family to support them in the event of job loss or illness. Some of them actually give up on the American dream and return to their home countries. People usually prefer to face hardship with the company of friends and family rather than in a far away land surrounded by strangers. I’m sure some of them become bitter about their circumstances and I think this is what Bango referred to when he said, “Hate.” Of course, they don’t hate the country but they see their presence here as a sacrifice. In America people tend to keep to themselves, especially in large cities, so it is probably not a pleasant experience for a foreigner trying to start a new life without a lot of money and no friends.
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The American Dream
[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]Legal Tender, what Bango Cheito is saying is not off the mark. While the media tends to focus on the rags-to-riches immigrant stories this is not the typical experience for most immigrants. Many immigrants must face language barriers, lost of credentials, lost of social status, low pay and discrimination on a daily basis. They don’t have a family to support them in the event of job loss or illness. Some of them actually give up on the American dream and return to their home countries. People usually prefer to face hardship with the company of friends and family rather than in a far away land surrounded by strangers. I’m sure some of them become bitter about their circumstances and I think this is what Bango referred to when he said, “Hate.” Of course, they don’t hate the country but they see their presence here as a sacrifice. In America people tend to keep to themselves, especially in large cities, so it is probably not a pleasant experience for a foreigner trying to start a new life without a lot of money and no friends.[/QUOTE]
Chocha Monger is correct!
The far majority of immigrants that come to USA are bottom-feeders. It will take them 2 or 3 generations to catch-up with the native populace.
When people tell me that they have family members working in the USA, I immediately tell them that their family member(s) are struggling to survive.
US $8 per hour as a waiter is a lot in Latin America, but only US $320 per week in the USA. They are not even on our radar with monthly income of US $1,280 before taxes.
The USA is great at marketing illusions abroad.
What is impressive is how much pride these people (ie. ex-workers and family members) when telling their personal USA story. I remember living in Mexico City and a 50-year old Mexican guy who owned a printing store telling me that he "plucked" over 1,000 chickens per day as his job in Georgia. He had so much pride. Or those "fruit pickers" in California getting paid US $0.05 cents per box picked.
On the other side are those that have "hatred," disgust, frustration, and other negative emotions from their USA experience that wasn't the dream they envisioned when they left their country for ours. This "hatred" can and does run deep and is what will get your a*s kicked when you visit / reside in their native country.
Just my 2 cents with change leftover.
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Jobs, Jobs, Jobs!
I don't think BC hates America... People confuse criticism of America's social, cultural and foreign policy with hatred of America. I think that the Americans on this board can agree that America could be MUCH better than it currently is and it will take a generation or two to reach about 1/2 of that promise.
As long as GREED is the god of worship not much else will change.
As for "They Come To America..."
Like I said you trade "Quality of Life" for "Increased Wages". If you come to America already knowing the language, you've already won half the battle! There are pockets in our workforce that need to be filled by Immigrants because they aren't being filled by the native population for whatever reason.
An RN came into my store on Sunday looking for some 0w40 Mobil One. It was for her Porsche Boxster. Now that is the entry level Porsche of course, but still expensive. Nursing is still one sector undeserved as many work LONG hours, again effecting quality of life... For years Nursing was explained as a job for women only and wasn't widely open to men. When other career options opened up for Women, many stop going to school for Nursing, thus a shortage.
With the MILLIONS of cars on the road and the INCREASE in demand for Used Cars puts Mechanics at a premium as well.
So there are "holes" in the market for you to make money and earn a decent living by American standards.
Just don't expect to get rich overnight without some type of plan...
But you don't have to be "rich" to have a good life, because with more MONEY comes more problems, are you prepared to handle that?
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Shit Sandwich
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]
Just don't expect to get rich overnight without some type of plan...
But you don't have to be "rich" to have a good life, because with more MONEY comes more problems, are you prepared to handle that?[/QUOTE]
A man the more bread you have the less shit you have to eat.
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[QUOTE=Illogic]A man the more bread you have the less shit you have to eat.[/QUOTE]
I don't know about that....
My father came from rural Southeastern Texas, played HS football, joined the Army, went to Korea. Returned to move to California and work for PG&E where he stayed until a stroke forced him to stop working, though he was still employed at PG&E.
While still being payed by PG&E he played the ponies, the lottery, went to Reno and Vegas on a regular basis and traveled to Europe a few times.
He wasn't rich but borrowed against the house to buy his last new car, at a much lower interest rate than any credit union or bank will give you.
He owed very LITTLE. So much so that when we liquidated his assets, we paid everything off and PROFITED after his death.
He wasn't "Rich" by any means, but lived WITHIN those means. He had been paying child support since 1977 and my mother took him to court for back child support while she had been remarried by then.
You're life is what you make of it, having tons of money doesn't solve much. Does your quality of life improve living in the hills in a gated community where your neighbors are no more interested in getting to know you than they are in a typical suburb?
For me Quality of Life is not defined by how many zeros you have in your bank account. If you live largely debt free and work in a non stressful environment, have job security or are self employed; as long as you have money to do the things that you want, WHEN you want, there's no need for millions or even hundreds of thousands of dollars.
I have dealt with rich people, some are nice as pie, the majority aren't... and as the saying goes "Mean People Suck"
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Well, I don't hate the US but I don't want to live there. It's okay for a lot of my friends because they don't seem to give a shit about pussy. There is my friend from college who just came down here and got his mind totally blown; he says his wife doesn't like sex. There is my friend of over 30 years who says his wife cut him off ten years ago. Then there is my AW friend who fucks me every time I am up there but won't fuck her BF because she says he is too fat. He has to know I am fucking her. These guys just accept this. I have no idea why.
It's funny because I work over the internet and I hardly ever see any of my "customers" but now they are videotaping the live sessions (okay, it's not videotape but it's some electronic medium) so just for laughs I watched the streaming video of the session from last week. The women look like wildebeests. I wonder if they have to use a special wide-angle lens. And they are all dressed like shit. They look like they got dumped out of a vacuum cleaner bag. There are two European women in the class and they just look so much better, it's unbelievable.
I mean, not everyone can be a 10 but women down here would never leave the house looking the way these hags do. I hate to say it but my sisters and my nieces look like shit too.
Down here I notice I can tell the gringas by the way they walk. It's not sexy at all. OTOH you could blindfold me and I could pick out the very sexy walk of my favorita down here, just by the sound of her shoes on the floor. She would never think of leaving the house without fixing her hair. She has a great ass and is well aware of this fact, and dresses to take full advantage. Of course she then "complains" that every guy on the street is checking out her ass.
American women don't understand what it takes to keep a man happy, and they don't really give a shit either.
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[QUOTE=Dickhead]American women don't understand what it takes to keep a man happy, and they don't really give a shit either.[/QUOTE]Yeap Yesterday I went to an Italian festival with one friend, he took his daughter there.
For me it was mostly for observation purposes, I do not even have any desire hooking up with local AW.
I would say that about 1 out of 10 women was kinda good looking. The rest 90% was rather ugly for my standards. And some were of really weird shape and gender. Pigs are much more beautiful than these creatures from yesterday.
Also some teen girls still had nice faces, but already chubby butts and legs of that shape formed by typical pizza/cola diet.
I tried to talk to few of those 10% better looking ones. Guess what kinda attitude they got. Most of them looked at me with that nasty look "WTF".
Only one girl managed to politely say "Hi". Some other reacted with one word 'What? "
I do not understand why people in this country are so unfriendly. They have jobs, food, money. They are supposed to be nice and happy.
When I'm in Colombia sometimes I talk to strangers and I get invited over to their table. Or once one women invited me to sit down with her daughter and her daughter's girlfriend. Just to talk. Not because they want my money as somebody would try to say. But here, in the USA girls look at me like I'm a maniac, that I wanna kill them. While in other countries I get smiles and greetings.
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[QUOTE=Dickhead]Well, I don't hate the US but I don't want to live there. It's okay for a lot of my friends because they don't seem to give a shit about pussy. There is my friend from college who just came down here and got his mind totally blown; he says his wife doesn't like sex. There is my friend of over 30 years who says his wife cut him off ten years ago. Then there is my AW friend who fucks me every time I am up there but won't fuck her BF because she says he is too fat. He has to know I am fucking her. These guys just accept this. I have no idea why.
It's funny because I work over the internet and I hardly ever see any of my "customers" but now they are videotaping the live sessions (okay, it's not videotape but it's some electronic medium) so just for laughs I watched the streaming video of the session from last week. The women look like wildebeests. I wonder if they have to use a special wide-angle lens. And they are all dressed like shit. They look like they got dumped out of a vacuum cleaner bag. There are two European women in the class and they just look so much better, it's unbelievable.
I mean, not everyone can be a 10 but women down here would never leave the house looking the way these hags do. I hate to say it but my sisters and my nieces look like shit too.
Down here I notice I can tell the gringas by the way they walk. It's not sexy at all. OTOH you could blindfold me and I could pick out the very sexy walk of my favorita down here, just by the sound of her shoes on the floor. She would never think of leaving the house without fixing her hair. She has a great ass and is well aware of this fact, and dresses to take full advantage. Of course she then "complains" that every guy on the street is checking out her ass.
American women don't understand what it takes to keep a man happy, and they don't really give a shit either.[/QUOTE]
Because the Feminazis have successfully told AW that to do the job men do, you have to dress like them so they will respect you and not look at you like an object. Okay let's get serious for a second, you can dress like a woman and be attractive and demand respect by EARNING it!
I don't know about other places, but in Hollywood, it doesn't like to surround itself with "ugly" women. So even assistants and other low level employees look great. I can only think of ONE instance of a Make up artist not being the most attractive woman on set in some cases.
Women are constantly wearing pants, so much so that when they appear in dresses, its like a special occasion and men on the street act like they haven't seen a set of legs before, breaking necks all over town.
Your right DH in the rest of the world, women would not THINK even ONCE of leaving the house with curlers in their hair, no makeup and frumpy clothing. Overweight women are few and far between, so much so you don't have to dread running into any.
A co-worker recently found his wife had been cheating on him with one of his friends. Now he express interest in going to Mexico when I go down again. Maybe I should send him your way DH, he has an Ebay business that does fairly well if he focuses solely on it.
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[QUOTE=Goga Fung]Yeap Yesterday I went to an Italian festival with one friend, he took his daughter there.
For me it was mostly for observation purposes, I do not even have any desire hooking up with local AW.
I would say that about 1 out of 10 women was kinda good looking. The rest 90% was rather ugly for my standards. And some were of really weird shape and gender. Pigs are much more beautiful than these creatures from yesterday.
Also some teen girls still had nice faces, but already chubby butts and legs of that shape formed by typical pizza/cola diet.
I tried to talk to few of those 10% better looking ones. Guess what kinda attitude they got. Most of them looked at me with that nasty look "WTF".
Only one girl managed to politely say "Hi". Some other reacted with one word 'What? "
I do not understand why people in this country are so unfriendly. They have jobs, food, money. They are supposed to be nice and happy.
When I'm in Colombia sometimes I talk to strangers and I get invited over to their table. Or once one women invited me to sit down with her daughter and her daughter's girlfriend. Just to talk. Not because they want my money as somebody would try to say. But here, in the USA girls look at me like I'm a maniac, that I wanna kill them. While in other countries I get smiles and greetings.[/QUOTE]
You would THINK this would give most American Men a thought as to why. But it doesn't give men any sort of pause at all, they continue being clueless and only a few are successful; truly successful.
I walked up for information from two complete strangers, very attractive ones I might add in Europe and they were not fearful of their safety and was willing to help with a kind word and a smile. TRY THAT IN THE GOOD 'OL US of A.
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[QUOTE=Meat Loaf]Chocha Monger is correct!
The far majority of immigrants that come to USA are bottom-feeders. It will take them 2 or 3 generations to catch-up with the native populace.[/quote]This is an example of people not knowing what they are talking about and saying it anyway. If you do some reading, you'll find that the average immigrant into the USA is actually a bit MORE educated than the general populace. I've been reading that Congress is trying to shorten the waiting time for scientists to come into the country, and so the fact that the average immigrant is more educated will only become more pronounced over time. What type of immigrant is under consideration also has something to do with how "high" or "low" they are on the working chain. Chinese people come in educated and already speaking English (mostly via Taiwan and HK, but also sometimes from the Mainland). Mexicans come in and do cheaper work. It's just an accident of history that it happens to be that way.
[quote]When people tell me that they have family members working in the USA, I immediately tell them that their family member(s) are struggling to survive.[/quote]Again, it depends on who you know. If you know people that come from shitty jobs in Mexico/ other South American countries, then that will be your experience. But if you meet some businessman from Guangdong province who wants to open a factory in the US and have his children educated there, then you will have a very different experience.
[quote]US $8 per hour as a waiter is a lot in Latin America, but only US $320 per week in the USA. They are not even on our radar with monthly income of US $1,280 before taxes.[/quote]Ok, so now what? Someone who is not educated has to make a living based on lower wages. This is not the first that that this has happened.
[quote]The USA is great at marketing illusions abroad.[/quote]Not sure what you are talking about here. Are you saying that there is some department somewhere in the government that attends to marketing this image? Or is it (more likely) that some immigrants realize that they have a choice between jobs at low wages (in the USA) or no jobs at all (their current situation). This is the thing that people don't understand when they complain about companies exploiting this or that country. The option of the locals there is either jobs at low wages or no jobs at all.
[quote]What is impressive is how much pride these people (ie. ex-workers and family members) when telling their personal USA story. I remember living in Mexico City and a 50-year old Mexican guy who owned a printing store telling me that he "plucked" over 1,000 chickens per day as his job in Georgia. He had so much pride. Or those "fruit pickers" in California getting paid US $0.05 cents per box picked.[/quote]Ok, so a man worked hard and made something of himself. Starting with nothing. This is a lot more impressive than listening to the self-complacent local people (in the USA) who think that the government should just provide EVERY SINGLE THING.
[quote]On the other side are those that have "hatred," disgust, frustration, and other negative emotions from their USA experience that wasn't the dream they envisioned when they left their country for ours. This "hatred" can and does run deep and is what will get your a*s kicked when you visit / reside in their native country.
Just my 2 cents with change leftover.[/QUOTE]I've lived abroad for many years and have never had this experience. What kind of places have you been going to?
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[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]You would THINK this would give most American Men a thought as to why. But it doesn't give men any sort of pause at all, they continue being clueless and only a few are successful; truly successful.
I walked up for information from two complete strangers, very attractive ones I might add in Europe and they were not fearful of their safety and was willing to help with a kind word and a smile. TRY THAT IN THE GOOD 'OL US of A.[/QUOTE]DJ, I do not even wanna try:)
So who are those few are successful? I know one really cool American guy, he is also pretty rich. When he traveled to some islands he did not even realize that he could meet girls for sex. He used to have an American girlfriend, but he changed to less than average looking EE girl and married her. I can only guess what kinda American girl he was with if he later switched to that EE chick. I would not do her for free, even if she paid me $1000. Oh well, I'd do her for 10K I guess;)
But anyway, I dunno, I guess this is cool for USA, but in my mind it is out of mind to be a multi-millionere young intelligent good-looking guy and not to be able to have fun with women. I also heard that they signed a prenap telling that if the guy cheats and they get divorced, she gets entitled to half of his stuff with no questions asked. I do not know how much it is true, this is what her girlfriend(shes is my ex) told me.
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[QUOTE=Meat Loaf]Chocha Monger is correct!
The far majority of immigrants that come to USA are bottom-feeders. It will take them 2 or 3 generations to catch-up with the native populace.
When people tell me that they have family members working in the USA, I immediately tell them that their family member(s) are struggling to survive.
US $8 per hour as a waiter is a lot in Latin America, but only US $320 per week in the USA. They are not even on our radar with monthly income of US $1,280 before taxes.
The USA is great at marketing illusions abroad.
What is impressive is how much pride these people (ie. ex-workers and family members) when telling their personal USA story. I remember living in Mexico City and a 50-year old Mexican guy who owned a printing store telling me that he "plucked" over 1,000 chickens per day as his job in Georgia. He had so much pride. Or those "fruit pickers" in California getting paid US $0.05 cents per box picked.
On the other side are those that have "hatred," disgust, frustration, and other negative emotions from their USA experience that wasn't the dream they envisioned when they left their country for ours. This "hatred" can and does run deep and is what will get your a*s kicked when you visit / reside in their native country.
Just my 2 cents with change leftover.[/QUOTE]
Wow..you are soo right....Its not only US but true for Canada, Australia and Europe. Indians now are feeling that illusion hitting them hard in Australia.
It basically ignorance that creeps people to think what it is not. I had a great illusion in college days to go far away land and do this and that. When i left the shores and visited few countries. All my illusion vanished. I had my going so well back in India, but i only value that now, when im away.
ohh man what have i done..:(
I think its all Psycological and a grand play of the divine or more its ones destiny or stupidity..
The answers were there already, but our mind ignores it. I might have read your similar statement well before i made the decision to go abraod. But no the mind plays tricks and will win at the end...one does not know what is good for it untill its too late.
People get wiser when they grew old, for some its too late.....everyone is created equal by nature so is every place...this grand illusion called earth we are all puppets.
or i thought i put it this way...if i haven't visted countries ..i wouldnt have appriciated how much i had got all these years when i was complaining all the time...this struggle of thought works both ways and its also true that i learned a lot from people visting other countries so cant complain really on that front.
Better, Im just a confused monger who thinks more from Dick than mind ..all my life decision were to accumulate as much p ussy as a man can in his lifetime...everything else were secondary.
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I don't know about the ultra rich in the US vs the ultra rich in Colombia. In the US all the money in the world really doesn't buy shit. No matter how upmarket you go, the food still sucks, the lifestyle still sucks, and you suffer. Not to mention NO ONE in the US gets to be truly idle and relax. The real rich areas to live in here are so expensive that you are GUARANTEED a lifetime of toil if you live there, almost no matter how much you make.
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Its soo trueeee....For a long time i was juggling with this fact to be true or not.
I can relate to it, its the middle class that always suffers be it in the US or India or Philiphines...its always the rich versus poor.....media hype it up...no one listens to the middle class guys problems...they think we have it all.
On the contrary, middle class people suffers on a twin side both mentally and physically....Columbia is my next stop hehehe..as you say it seems good enough :)
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In Colombia, if you are real smart and determined with a dash of ruthlessness, you WILL succeed there and make good money. If you are lazy or stupid you will get chewed up and spit out so fast it would make your head spin.
The problem is that many Americans have no idea how incompetent they really are.
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]
The problem is that many Americans have no idea how incompetent they really are.[/QUOTE]
I don't really want to use the term "venomous", cause it implies a snake, and personally I think it's great you are making it happen in Colombia. Having read your posts for some time, you have some useful contrasts and observations.
I guess I figure anyone who celebrates a "dash of ruthlessness" probably is not going to get worked up over a snake reference anyway. So, I'm curious about why you are so [i]venomous[/i] in your language.
The language you are using actually makes me think that your circumstances are more about not being in the United States and less about being in Colombia. There's a lot of anger in the expressions.
I understand, sometimes people are happy only in contrast to something else, but I see this as "the lottery effect" - people are happy when they win, but generally return to thier normal state of contentment after a couple of years.
How long have you been away from the United States?
I'd like to move to Colombia or some place like it, but not because I've got a bunch of acid for life in the United States. American women are what they are; I've got a mother and two sisters and it's not like I'm at war with my tribe.
Sorry - but I'll take this shot - If you could not find good food or live a life of personal choice (e.g. without a car) in one of the most abundant countries in history, well, it raises some questions here about how you measure competence.
Not that I want to get in a pissing contest over it. It just seems a little odd. I don't have anywhere near that level of discontent with American culture.
I don't know. Maybe you are using this language to self-motivate, that's understandable, but I'd say it suggests the only way any American could be happy in Colombia is in contrast with a bad experience with American Women or a general dislike of American culture. What do you think?