Hoopz was my favorite hands down but not one of those idiots figured out the guy wasn't worth a penny.It just shows you how easily american women get swooned into action.
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Hoopz was my favorite hands down but not one of those idiots figured out the guy wasn't worth a penny.It just shows you how easily american women get swooned into action.
[QUOTE=Nick Danger]The moral here make your life look interesting and women will swoon over you.[/QUOTE]
Which explains why so many women marry Firemen, Police Officers and Armed Servicemen...
Can we help it if our lives are a bit boring and normal? Like women are doing something interesting. More than 2/3rds of them aren't doin a dayum thing but going to work, maybe the gym and maybe out for drinks a couple of times a week.
Furthermore, why are we responsible for giving excitement to a woman? That's the dumbest thing I have every heard in my life! I can entertain myself, how come women can not seem to be able too? They barely entertain me and I don't care if they never do (how many even KNOW HOW?).
Again its just the sorted mess than dating in America is today...
"The moral here make your life look interesting and women will swoon over you."
Word.
Excitement is something that almost all "girls" love... women 30+ often have other primary motivations, like financial stability, family etc. Frankly, I prefer girls 18-25 to women, so...
I think even better than making your life look interesting is actually making your life interesting. I know its not always possible to shake off the 9 to 5 shackles and make the normal life adventurous and certainly we dont all have to start river rafting and snake charming, but even if your life isnt as interesting as it might be, you can still make it sound more interesting. I think a lot of opportunity is lost here, as in my experience you can definitely climb a rung or two on the ladder of sexual opportunity if you can communicate well. Having some adventures or experiences to draw back on will help you create some interesting stories to tell. A while back it was commented on that women dont like it when men only talk about themselves on a date... well that is only partially true. If you are good at telling stories you can make progress rather quickly... women love to hear stories, especially funny or interesting stories... at least that has been my experience. I really think working on your communication skills is a key element in succeeding with women.
Confidence in communication is also a key factor in impressing a girl... at least one that isnt only looking at your car, your muscles, your skin color or the color of your credit card.
If you meet a decent and open-minded girl though... and chances are if you get at least a date you have a chance... you can also get her hooked with clever compliments, not overdone, but subtle. Women like to look and feel beautiful... if you can make them feel that way, they soon get addicted to that feeling, and you.
As for dating, what works well for me (admittedly lately in countries outside the US, but when in the US it also worked) is to avoid the traditional date completely. The traditional date isnt the best platform for getting a girl to want you. Putting yourself in more comfortable positions with the girl, places where you can get some physical contact or cuddling without it being too obvious or where she is not expecting it, can be the better option. Break the rules and dont just stick to the movie/bar/restaurant routine.
For example, we all have experienced that dreaded moment in the movie theater on a first date where you have to do the "reach", trying to put your arm around your girl... easy for her to block and if she does, your evening is often over before it began. Take her to the park instead, give her your arm. Let her get comfortable with your touch. Women like to be touched, but are restrictive on who gets to do it. You can get to first base really quickly this way. Restaurants can be a good bet, but can also be awkward as hell. Try a coffee house first, atmosphere is more relaxed... or at least find a cosy restaurant where physical contact is possible. My favorites are cosy cocktail bars... much better than a raucous bar, where it is not only loud but you also will have tons of competition around vying for the attention of your female... and if you are on a first date with a shaky candidate, high-competition environments should probably be avoided. The cocktail bar is fun and your girl is going to get tipsy whether she likes it or not.
But back to the adventure part, I often get girls who tell me "surprise me", "dazzle me" or "excite me". It shouldnt be taken as an insurmountable challenge, but rather as an opportunity.
You bring up a really good point.My father god bless his soul used to tell me the same thing but in favor of women."What have you got to offer a woman?" I always responded what do they have to offer me? I was only a kid but I new better...like I'm supposed to go through high water to prove myself to a women.What about what could you ... offer to each other that could make you grow togther.
I also agree with your comment that most women are NOT exciting.They dont do anything.If you look at these online dating sites their all looking for a man of the world and their intrests are traveling,good movies,good food etc. Is this what they do for themselves...no they look for someone else to give that to them and I'm supposed to do a song and dance routine to entertain them????
I think alot of guys fall for that crap and make themselves look like complete idiots and when women realize you are a guy who realizes this it's a complete turn off to them.Some guys I've discussed this with are so brainwashed they think I'm a sore loser and that I dont have a clue about woman.What bullshit.
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]"The moral here make your life look interesting and women will swoon over you."
Word.
Excitement is something that almost all "girls" love... women 30+ often have other primary motivations, like financial stability, family etc. Frankly, I prefer girls 18-25 to women, so...
I think even better than making your life look interesting is actually making your life interesting. I know its not always possible to shake off the 9 to 5 shackles and make the normal life adventurous and certainly we dont all have to start river rafting and snake charming, but even if your life isnt as interesting as it might be, you can still make it sound more interesting. I think a lot of opportunity is lost here, as in my experience you can definitely climb a rung or two on the ladder of sexual opportunity if you can communicate well. Having some adventures or experiences to draw back on will help you create some interesting stories to tell. A while back it was commented on that women dont like it when men only talk about themselves on a date... well that is only partially true. If you are good at telling stories you can make progress rather quickly... women love to hear stories, especially funny or interesting stories... at least that has been my experience. I really think working on your communication skills is a key element in succeeding with women.
Confidence in communication is also a key factor in impressing a girl... at least one that isnt only looking at your car, your muscles, your skin color or the color of your credit card.
If you meet a decent and open-minded girl though... and chances are if you get at least a date you have a chance... you can also get her hooked with clever compliments, not overdone, but subtle. Women like to look and feel beautiful... if you can make them feel that way, they soon get addicted to that feeling, and you.
As for dating, what works well for me (admittedly lately in countries outside the US, but when in the US it also worked) is to avoid the traditional date completely. The traditional date isnt the best platform for getting a girl to want you. Putting yourself in more comfortable positions with the girl, places where you can get some physical contact or cuddling without it being too obvious or where she is not expecting it, can be the better option. Break the rules and dont just stick to the movie/bar/restaurant routine.
For example, we all have experienced that dreaded moment in the movie theater on a first date where you have to do the "reach", trying to put your arm around your girl... easy for her to block and if she does, your evening is often over before it began. Take her to the park instead, give her your arm. Let her get comfortable with your touch. Women like to be touched, but are restrictive on who gets to do it. You can get to first base really quickly this way. Restaurants can be a good bet, but can also be awkward as hell. Try a coffee house first, atmosphere is more relaxed... or at least find a cosy restaurant where physical contact is possible. My favorites are cosy cocktail bars... much better than a raucous bar, where it is not only loud but you also will have tons of competition around vying for the attention of your female... and if you are on a first date with a shaky candidate, high-competition environments should probably be avoided. The cocktail bar is fun and your girl is going to get tipsy whether she likes it or not.
But back to the adventure part, I often get girls who tell me "surprise me", "dazzle me" or "excite me". It shouldnt be taken as an insurmountable challenge, but rather as an opportunity.[/QUOTE]
You are entirely correct. I used this exact approach two weeks ago at a Valentines Day party in Lima, Peru. I have found that the best scenario's for meeting women in a foreign country are to first get to know the top local monger's and their friends and then get invites to the private parties. Being the attractive worldly foreigner is irresistable bait to most women. Some girls may not want you except to win the competition.
American women don't marry members of the Armed Forces because of the excitement. The real reason more likely has to do with the fact that they receive generous medical and dental coverage, housing allowance, tax free shopping, cheap airfare and their kids get to attend Department of Defense schools which are a lot better than public schooling. They also get get plenty of free time to fuck around on their husbands when they're deployed or away on training. The military system also gives them ways of controlling their husbands which is non-existant in the civilian world. If their husband gets wasted in a war its payday for them starting at $400,000. In other words there is not a more attractive target for a greedy scheming AW than a man in uniform, except perhaps a the usual fantasy targets like doctors, lawyers and millionaires.
American women expect us to provide a large income, big house, and nice SUV, yet still that's not enough they want entertaiment too. However, it's not easy to provide financial stability and the exciting life of a bad boy simultaneously. Most, if they are good looking enough will have an exciting person to fuck and a successful husband to bring in the money and confer social status. This is only one of the reasons why I say fuck off to American women. I don't feel like being someone's financier, clown and entertainer all rolled into one just to get a lousy fuck at the end of it all and some bitchiness thrown in for good measure.
Here is a an idea for American women, instead of publishing a list of demands and then sitting back on their asses waiting for some poor sucker to attempt to meet those demands, why don't they market themselves to us for a change. Yes, why don't they tell me how they can be exciting? Tell me how they can give me the BBBJCIM of my life. Tell me how they're going to ride my dick till it's sore. And I don't want them to just tell me. I want them to follow through on the sales pitch too, and I want them to keep doing it after they get married. How about them giving some moral support or financial support when the chips are down for a change. Maybe, if they did those things I wouldn't mind giving them what they want and I wouldn't be searching for a plane ticket abroad.
Until AW learn to market themselves by bringing something to the table other than a half-hearted fuck my money and time would not be going their way. I rather give my money to the airlines, hotels and chicas who know how to make me holler. My ball sack is very interesting but AW wouldn't know that unless they're willing to get down there and give it a few licks. It just takes way too much time and effort to get pass the bitchiness and bullshit games only to end up regretting ever having done so at all.
[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]American women don't marry members of the Armed Forces because of the excitement. The real reason more likely has to do with the fact that they receive generous medical and dental coverage, housing allowance, tax free shopping, cheap airfare and their kids get to attend Department of Defense schools which are a lot better than public schooling. They also get get plenty of free time to fuck around on their husbands when they're deployed or away on training. The military system also gives them ways of controlling their husbands which is non-existant in the civilian world. If their husband gets wasted in a war its payday for them starting at $400,000. In other words there is not a more attractive target for a greedy scheming AW than a man in uniform, except perhaps a the usual fantasy targets like doctors, lawyers and millionaires.
American women expect us to provide a large income, big house, and nice SUV, yet still that's not enough they want entertaiment too. However, it's not easy to provide financial stability and the exciting life of a bad boy simultaneously. Most, if they are good looking enough will have an exciting person to fuck and a successful husband to bring in the money and confer social status. This is only one of the reasons why I say fuck off to American women. I don't feel like being someone's financier, clown and entertainer all rolled into one just to get a lousy fuck at the end of it all and some bitchiness thrown in for good measure.
Here is a an idea for American women, instead of publishing a list of demands and then sitting back on their asses waiting for some poor sucker to attempt to meet those demands, why don't they market themselves to us for a change. Yes, why don't they tell me how they can be exciting? Tell me how they can give me the BBBJCIM of my life. Tell me how they're going to ride my dick till it's sore. And I don't want them to just tell me. I want them to follow through on the sales pitch too, and I want them to keep doing it after they get married. How about them giving some moral support or financial support when the chips are down for a change. Maybe, if they did those things I wouldn't mind giving them what they want and I wouldn't be searching for a plane ticket abroad.
Until AW learn to market themselves by bringing something to the table other than a half-hearted fuck my money and time would not be going their way. I rather give my money to the airlines, hotels and chicas who know how to make me holler. My ball sack is very interesting but AW wouldn't know that unless they're willing to get down there and give it a few licks. It just takes way too much time and effort to get pass the bitchiness and bullshit games only to end up regretting ever having done so at all.[/QUOTE]Could not of said it better myself Nice report.
Chocha, you asked the following....
Here is a an idea for American women, instead of publishing a list of demands and then sitting back on their asses waiting for some poor sucker to attempt to meet those demands, why don't they market themselves to us for a change. Yes, why don't they tell me how they can be exciting?
Why don't they? Because they don't have to.... that's why. And the reason is because there is a virtually endless supply of poon-starved losers out there who cave in and give them what they want.
Does that suck? YES. Do we as individuals have to put up with it? NO, there ARE alternatives.
Rock
Rock,
You're absolutely right, they don't have to market themselves there are lines of guys willing to back-stab their best friend over some pussy in this country. These guys will turn over their last penny for some butter-face poon and American women know that only too well. Listening to AW [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] and moan about not being able to find a man (more like THE man) one would be lead to believe that cock is a rare resource in America. When they complain about not being able to find an exciting man, what they really mean is that they can't find one rich and stupid enough to pay their way through the Caribbean and Europe. However, there are tons of American men willing to fuck an AW cadaver.
I am not obligated to put up with them and I don't. I just hope that they have something to fuel jets after oil runs out because it would really suck to have to take a sail boat to South America or elsewhere. Then again no SUVs and having to work long hard hours in fields and factories in the post-oil age just might change some AW attitudes.
[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]American women don't marry members of the Armed Forces because of the excitement. The real reason more likely has to do with the fact that they receive generous medical and dental coverage, housing allowance, tax free shopping, cheap airfare and their kids get to attend Department of Defense schools which are a lot better than public schooling. They also get get plenty of free time to fuck around on their husbands when they're deployed or away on training. The military system also gives them ways of controlling their husbands which is non-existant in the civilian world. If their husband gets wasted in a war its payday for them starting at $400,000. In other words there is not a more attractive target for a greedy scheming AW than a man in uniform, except perhaps a the usual fantasy targets like doctors, lawyers and millionaires.
American women expect us to provide a large income, big house, and nice SUV, yet still that's not enough they want entertaiment too. However, it's not easy to provide financial stability and the exciting life of a bad boy simultaneously. Most, if they are good looking enough will have an exciting person to fuck and a successful husband to bring in the money and confer social status. This is only one of the reasons why I say fuck off to American women. I don't feel like being someone's financier, clown and entertainer all rolled into one just to get a lousy fuck at the end of it all and some bitchiness thrown in for good measure.
Here is a an idea for American women, instead of publishing a list of demands and then sitting back on their asses waiting for some poor sucker to attempt to meet those demands, why don't they market themselves to us for a change. Yes, why don't they tell me how they can be exciting? Tell me how they can give me the BBBJCIM of my life. Tell me how they're going to ride my dick till it's sore. And I don't want them to just tell me. I want them to follow through on the sales pitch too, and I want them to keep doing it after they get married. How about them giving some moral support or financial support when the chips are down for a change. Maybe, if they did those things I wouldn't mind giving them what they want and I wouldn't be searching for a plane ticket abroad.
Until AW learn to market themselves by bringing something to the table other than a half-hearted fuck my money and time would not be going their way. I rather give my money to the airlines, hotels and chicas who know how to make me holler. My ball sack is very interesting but AW wouldn't know that unless they're willing to get down there and give it a few licks. It just takes way too much time and effort to get pass the bitchiness and bullshit games only to end up regretting ever having done so at all.[/QUOTE]
Let me jump in with a big "Amen" on this. This correlates into my favorite refrain "They love to give it up to the 'Bad Boy Loser'.". No entertainment is more valuable to an AW than human drama (losing jobs, cheating, running around, being a drunk, drug addict/dealer). I personally am too tired to manufacture (drama) any by the time I get finished making a living.
Being charming/entertaining used to be the function of the woman (anyone ever hear of a man being sent to "charm school"). Quite frankly they are better suited to it with neurophysiology geared toward being vocal, and understanding social dynamics. But, as Rock just stated, this, due to supply and demand is something that has gotten pushed off onto men in our screwed up culture.
I remember listening to the cousin of my best friend a while back, and she was talking about her ideal man. She said that her ideal man would be Tom Cruise with a 9" cock. What? There are only a FEW guffaws from my bretheren? Wait... it gets BETTER... this same woman looks as if her second job is being the main attraction at SEA WORLD! This woman has more cottage cheese-looking cellulite than Sam Breakstone's factory! I weigh close to 240 and I'm willing to bet that at about 5'6", she weighs as much as I do and I'm over 6'. AND she's married to a poor schmoe that has (relatively) lots of money (in his pension) and she's overly demanding and has a major-league attitude. Thinking about the two of them engaging in sex almost makes me wanna run to the toilet to empty the contents of my stomach!
THIS is the fate of a man who doesn't stick to his guns and demand that a woman bring attractive (long term) attributes to the table!
Good discussions, gents. Keep em coming.
I was in the Navy 91-95. I went to Italy, Spain, and Israel on a Med cruise. I got to experiance European women on a seriously personal level. When I returned from my cruise and visited family/friends for the holidays, I told my male friends how really screwed up women where. Of course, all of us only being 23 at the time, they would let the women run all over them....happily. They thought that was how life was to be. I tried to tell them how bad it's getting for men, what with the constant male-bashing, manipulating, etc, etc. No dice.
Fast forward to 2006. We are all 34-35 now. All my friends almost to a man hate women. I mean really really do not like women. And almost non of them are married or have kids. Why?
The most common reason: women don't have much to offer except sex. In my generation, women don't cook, don't clean. I just read a report <can't find the frikkin link> that stated the average american man weighs 205lbs average american woman weighs 180lbs! Uhmm...what?
Anyways, whenever I see a hot AW that exudes nothing but attitude, I think " I can't wait to get to Europe!"
[QUOTE=Sinanju Master]I remember listening to the cousin of my best friend a while back, and she was talking about her ideal man. She said that her ideal man would be Tom Cruise with a 9" cock. What? There are only a FEW guffaws from my bretheren? Wait... it gets BETTER... this same woman looks as if her second job is being the main attraction at SEA WORLD! This woman has more cottage cheese-looking cellulite than Sam Breakstone's factory! I weigh close to 240 and I'm willing to bet that at about 5'6", she weighs as much as I do and I'm over 6'. AND she's married to a poor schmoe that has (relatively) lots of money (in his pension) and she's overly demanding and has a major-league attitude. Thinking about the two of them engaging in sex almost makes me wanna run to the toilet to empty the contents of my stomach!
THIS is the fate of a man who doesn't stick to his guns and demand that a woman bring attractive (long term) attributes to the table![/QUOTE]
.....what I tend to refer to as a "dumpy leftover". Notice that despite any initial ease in dealing with them, relative to young hot AW, they are no less in the longer term, spoiled and unrealistic (as evidenced above), psychotic, demanding, bitchy, materialistic, greedy, prone to withold sex.......pretty much you end up paying the same dues as you do with a hottie,
Bart9k,
Yep. It's 100% true.
No entertainment is more valuable to an AW than human drama (losing jobs, cheating, running around, being a drunk, drug addict/dealer).
What better proof of this than the entertainment form known as the chick-flick? I've noticed that girls just seem to get sucked in by these movies....... and it's always the same kind of crap, relationships and such. The same idea explains why women enjoy gossip so much. If there's nothing going on in your own life, just talk about somebody else's.
I laughed (but just a little) when Sinanju gave the Tom Cruise/9 inch example. A classic example of an ordinary/homely/fat girl who still dreams big. Nothing wrong with that really, but it seems like there's an awfully large number of women out there passing up decent guys like us because they think there's some chance those dreams might come true.
Rock
My current GF is from Japan. Growing up the only child in a well to do family, she wanted for nothing materially. Nice house, exclusive private schools. Is she spoiled? Not by a longshot. She readily cooks, cleans, loves to fuck frequently with great enthusiasm, is humble, affectionate, generous, grateful, and enjoys the simple things of life. Doesn't care that I don't have a huge garish house in the suburbs or drive a monster size SUV. She works hard at her job and doesn't expect me to support her or shower her with expensive gifts. She takes great pains to not be a burden on me. She's well-traveled and worldly, so I don't anticipate her changing radically after ten years in the US.
Every AW I've ever known with the same privileged background as she has been fat, demanding, and obsessed with collecting material status symbols. Sex to those princesses was a necessary chore in order to hook me into their BS. I've been dumped three times by AW's because I didn't make enough money. Never again! So true what others here say: they do it because we let them get away with it. American guys who believe this is as good as it gets are truly pitiful, and need to wake up & travel outside of Sex Prison USA.