Very insightful.
I often wonder which category I come under, Feminist or Not. Mmmmmm.
Feminist - I make the decisions regarding my body and life
Not - I spend my working life being subservant to males.
I getting confused,
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Very insightful.
I often wonder which category I come under, Feminist or Not. Mmmmmm.
Feminist - I make the decisions regarding my body and life
Not - I spend my working life being subservant to males.
I getting confused,
As US Hispanics have gained wealth, their birth rate has begun to decline, not surprisingly.
[url]http://prorev.com/2006/10/us-male-testosterone-levels-are.htm[/url]
Here's a fascinating new study that AM as a group have seen a steady decline in overall average testosterone levels over the past 20 years. Some may say it's environmental, etc. But perhaps it's all the social conditioning, living under female domination, being treated like a dangerous sexual predator. We truly are being snipped!
A large US investment bank is predicting that within three decades the four largest economies(in aggregate US dollar terms) in the world will be China, India, Brazil, and Russia, they will have more economic output than the USA, the four richest European countries and Japan combined. Two of these countries are popular mongering destinations from people who live in the current cream of the crop, the G-6. I have been looking at mongering reports from Brazil and it seems as if women are becoming very westernized over there with prices for p4p steadily increasing.
[QUOTE=Rock Dog]Yes, I said it and it's true.
Here's why......Demographics. It's simple actually, all these westernized, feminist types have a few very important things in common.
1. They live in countries where there standard of living has increased.
2. They exhibit a significant decline in birthrate ie. Once they become more educated, and more highly paid .... they start having fewer and fewer children.[/QUOTE]
What you have said is true. The statistics you have quoted are accurate. But your conclusion is incorrect because you have left out some very important information.
Feminists do not need to have their own children to reproduce their ideology. What they can do, and have been doing for several years, is adopt children from those countries where women are still having lots of children.
Feminists have outsourced their child-bearing duties in much the same way the we have outsourced our sex partner duties. Feminist are importing children and raising them the way the want. The more recent media hypes of Madonna, Angolina Jolie, Rosie O'Donnell, etc. are just the tip of the iceberg. Ordinary women who waited too long to have their own biological children, and now can't, have been adopting from China, Eastern Europe, India, Central America, for decades. They are able to afford to adopt due to the high incomes they now earn.
So, I do not believe feminism is doomed. It will be around for some time yet.
The first feminist I got close to was a lab partner at Uni, she got pissed at me for holding doors open for her. Her definition was of feminism was independence and not needing to rely on a men or men - the freedom to be with men as an equal and the freedom to be alone. It meant the freedom for a woman to what she wanted with her body, either keep it to herself, use it in bed or sell it.
The feminists you label - Rock Dog and George90 - seem to be the prudish evangelists or women with chips on their shoulders or women with money and independence.
Are you afraid of confident women? Wouldn't you prefer to have sex with a woman because she wants you and not because she needs your cash/home?
[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]A large US investment bank is predicting that within three decades the four largest economies(in aggregate US dollar terms) in the world will be China, India, Brazil, and Russia, they will have more economic output than the USA, the four richest European countries and Japan combined. Two of these countries are popular mongering destinations from people who live in the current cream of the crop, the G-6. I have been looking at mongering reports from Brazil and it seems as if women are becoming very westernized over there with prices for p4p steadily increasing.[/QUOTE]
My theory is that as wealth increases, the profession declines and freebies increase.
Rock Dog,
Although there is a lot of writing about demographics, I was thinking that you may have recently read this guy's book.
I believe there is one European country that has a 5.6 birthrate - Albania - and it's 75% Muslim. Yes, the countries of the West (generally associated with the movement of feminism) are in a sharp demographic decline, and the Muslim culture is increasing rapidly in these countries. The U.S., however, is the one country that is not showing a decline in demographics (hence, the title of the book). Our immigration is largely Hispanic, but the conservative voting states of America still have an Anglo birthrate that is a little above the replacement level. That's why we'll see a 35% increase in the American population in in the next thirty-five years.
Since the birth trend in the U.S. is of the more conservative population, feminism may take a fall. But we'll also tend toward conservative politics in general. From a mongering perspective, U.S. conservative Christian values and U.S. feminism have both been a bucket of cold water for us here in America.
[QUOTE=Yogin]
[url]http://prorev.com/2006/10/us-male-testosterone-levels-are.htm[/url]
Here's a fascinating new study that AM as a group have seen a steady decline in overall average testosterone levels over the past 20 years. Some may say it's environmental, etc. But perhaps it's all the social conditioning, living under female domination, being treated like a dangerous sexual predator. We truly are being snipped![/QUOTE]
It's your diets - Some pesticides in the US are estrogen analogues - and find their way into your milk and beef and obesity and lack of exercise are accompanied by lower testosteron. To increase your testosterone, try eating more sweetbreads, take up some contact sports and go to places with sexy women - that helps too!!!!!
[QUOTE=Sasha Coffee]Very insightful.
I often wonder which category I come under, Feminist or Not. Mmmmmm.
Feminist - I make the decisions regarding my body and life
Not - I spend my working life being subservant to males.
I getting confused,[/QUOTE]
I'm confused too.
It depends whether you are happier buying your own drink or buying a guy a drink.
I wonder whether I'm a chauvinist.
Chauvinist - I like having my way with women.
Not - I like women having their way with me.
That didn't help,
I'm happy to do both, but then I suppose more men buy me drinks than the other way round.
Is that because they are paying me anyway and so I expect it. Or is it because I'm subservant.
Oh dear, I will have to ponder this one.
George90,
Good point about feminists reproducing their ideology. I prefer to think of it more in terms of an infection. 1 infected individual (feminist) might be capable of transmitting the disease (feminism) to many others. How many and for how long? Depends on the resistance of the potential host. Strongly ingrained cultural and religious values tend to make women quite resistant to feminism.
I strongly suspect that feminism, and it's associated attitudes, flourish when there are good economic conditions. What do you find overseas? Lower standards of living, more culture, and less feminism. Of course there are exceptions, but I think there is a pretty strong correlation.
Alex Rock,
No, I'm not afraid of confident women. There's a difference btw a so-called confident woman and the kind of women we meet everyday. Boring, ordinary, unattractive spoiled little creatures don't scare me in the least. They are tiresome! .... the way they sit around waiting until they're 34 years old before they get married. The way they think that there must be something special about them because that's what the mommy told them when they were growing up.
I truly do prefer a confident woman. Especially one that can look me in the eye as I walk past her..... instead of staring at the ground. I like a woman who is confident enough to ask if it's OK to share some equipment at the gym..... instead of hovering in the background waiting for me to finish.
There really aren't that many confident women out there. Just look at any of the crap magazines that they read. Most women in the US and Canada are confused and insecure. Most of them don't even know what they want...... they just know they want a lot.
Rock
[QUOTE=Alex Rock]My theory is that as wealth increases, the profession declines and freebies increase.[/QUOTE]
I've no problem with that. In Japan, by contrast to the US, freebies are easy and everywhere to be found. Sex is viewed as a positive fun healthy aspect of life. P4p is freely available but horribly expensive, so I never bother.
For the retarded sexual attitudes in the US, I think we need to blame feminists a little less and religious conservatives (Jewish/Christian/Muslim) a lot more. Feminists are a relatively recent phenomemon, while the latter have ruled the culture from the beginning.
[quote=alex rock]the feminists you label - rock dog and george90 - seem to be the prudish evangelists or women with chips on their shoulders or women with money and independence.
are you afraid of confident women? wouldn't you prefer to have sex with a woman because she wants you and not because she needs your cash/home?[/quote]
alex,
i used to pursue "confident" women here because i felt they would make great parental role models, would make competent partners, etc. i also believed that women who were confident about their sexuality would make fantastic lovers.
my experience, based on the women i was able to attract to myself and get to know, was that "feminist" women gained their "confidence" by degrading and humiliating men. i have had both female "friends" and female colleagues make remarks about specific men and men in general, that if a man had made he would be castrated as chauvanist and mysognist. after meeting many women and realizing that any romance with them would mean bearing insult upon insult, it dawned on me that many "feminists" use "feminism" to hide their own incompetence and insecurities. just as men do when they villainize women. just as one race/religion/age group/etc. does when it villainizes another.
i also learned that inspite of being "liberated", most "feminists" still believe in "traditional" sexual behavior for themselves. they will fight like demons to protect the right of some other woman to behave like a **** or *****. but they will not at all behave in a way that raises the risk of them being called a **** or *****. then, to rationalize their asexual behavior, they use "feminism" to claim that male desire for sex is chauvanist and a form of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url].
this does not apply to all women, as it is based only on the women i have met and dealt with.
to specifically answer your question; no!!! i greatly prefer that a woman has sex with me because she needs something from me, not because she wants me. hopefully, what she needs is to feel that i find her very sexy, to feel that i value her feminity and appreciate her physical affection, and to feel loved.
[QUOTE=Rock Dog]George90,
I strongly suspect that feminism, and it's associated attitudes, flourish when there are good economic conditions. What do you find overseas? Lower standards of living, more culture, and less feminism. Of course there are exceptions, but I think there is a pretty strong correlation.
Rock[/QUOTE]
Thanks, Rock.
I am not sure I agree with the economic association. During the 50's in the US, there were great economic conditions and weak feminism. In the 60's and 70's, economic conditions were worse but feminism was rampant.
And then there is the Black community. Before the War on Poverty and the enactment of welfare and other income support programs in 1965, Black marriage rates were as high as Whites'. Daniel Moynihan headed an investigation, around that time, into how poverty was destroying the Black family. After welfare was passed, marriages rates for Blacks dropped dramatically and have never recovered. Before Balck women needed Blakc men for support, so they married them. After welfare, Black women had the government to support them and didn't need Black men anymore, so they stopped marrying them. A whole culture of non-marriage has evolved among low income Blacks in the US, and has already started evolving among low income Whites.
And of course, "feminism" was the excuse for as to why poor women shouldn't marry men for economic purposes.
In most developing countries, there is no social safety net, so everyone has to rely on family when emergencies happen. And family includes husbands.
This may be my small part of the world, but in New Zealand we have a huge Feminist movement.
Well we have a female priminister, chief justice, Governer general and more than ample female policiticans representing this country. Damn we even have a trans sexual member or parliament. So New Zealand is chin deep in feminism. It is also chin deep in teenage pregnancy, drug habits, social welfare dependency, divorce, homosexuality.
I have often wondered about the continued collapse of our society since woman took control and the politically correct culture of work places, schools etc got so ridiculous we are now awash with young men that are struggling to know what it is to be a man or behave like one.
Perhaps its time these feminists stopped trying to turn men into their whipping boys and let men be men. Perhaps also they should stop making women feel inadequate if they don't choose to be feminists.
I am neither feminist nor anti male. I am anti either male or females pretending they are better than the other. Both sexes have their individual strengths and weaknesses, its time we admired each for sex for both of these and stopped trying to make us all equals. We are not all equals. We are individuals.