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Aaah American Women
How I love to hate them, but because I am stuck in the bowels of New Jersey, I can't do much about it.
I travel to the sunny coasts of Turkey often and I swear when I comeback, I am in severe depression, it takes me 6 months to recover. As for the women, buuuh humbug!! Women here are just so incredibly idiotic.
I am a good looking guy, have a house, a great job, disposable income, brand new car, nope, not enough. What angers me is after spending my times with 8s and 9s overseas, coming here and being given the run around by fat ass 6s...it drives me insane. Unfortunately, I have no patience so I just tell them to go fuck themselves.
I have told all my friends here, they have to be idiots to put up with this. Unfortunately, because of their ignorance, they know nothing about the world. I tell my friends that if they want serious babes they should come with me to Bodrum or Cesme in Turkey, and just talk English. They give me stupid answers like Midnight Express. Fuck Midnight Express, America is a Nightmare Express when it comes to women.
What is not common is always in demand I guess. If you live somewhere, you can't really get major pussy. Especially in the metropolitan NY/NJ area, forget about it. It's all money money money.
I am 29 I was a bit worried that I would not be married and stuff like that. But I look at guys at work who are married, first of all they are all cheating (usually with butt ugly providers), or they are divorced or going through a divorce. Marry who, these chicks??
The gentlmen before made a remark like get off your ass, get a job, blah blah. Well it's good, but I know some seriously good looking guys who are very wealthy, who get some serious ass: But you want something long term, meaningful, forget it. Their luck is just as good as us normal guys, even though we are no adonis or david.
My solution is, like Dickhead Said. I am saving my money, partying overseas. To hell with these cunts here. Actually, THANK GOD for the Ignorance. If they knew what we knew, just think how ruined everything would be for the rest of us.
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Pokey, I have to admit that I agree with you. I don't find it surprising at all that an attractive woman would prefer a handsome man with a good income. Most guys if given a choice will pick the youngest and prettiest woman they can get and conversely women will pick the best looking and well-heeled guy they can find. This is true wherever in the world you go. If you don't believe me try putting two equally good looking guys side by side. Tell a group of young women that one is a rich man and the other can barely make ends meet and see which one most of the women congregate around. It may seem otherwise because if you go to a country where the average wage is 15 cents an hour -- even the guy working at Burger King looks like a catch. Of course once you get her over here she can see that she can do a lot better and does.
Civ 2000
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Pokey & CIV2000, What’s up fellas?
Why have you two become so fired up over the submissions in this thread?
It’s healthy for the men here to express their displeasure of the times when they felt taken advantage of by women (women do it all the time – it’s called girls night out).
Moreover, it is understandable why the men here are upset. Just as people become fed up with the political game, people also become fed up with the dating game, the marriage game, the sex for good behavior game, the divorce game, the alimony game & the child custody game.
Truth is that many men enjoy foreign women, as well as sex workers (foreign & domestic), because they feel that there are no pretenses. You know her situation, she knows what you want, you know what she wants, and you either strike a deal or you don’t. Mongering is straightforward & honest (And unfortunately for most men & women, mongering is the only time men & women are truly honest with each other).
And in case you are wondering, I’m 33 years old, 6’2” tall, 235 muscular pounds, and reasonably attractive. I hold a baccalaureate degree (and will be attending graduate school in 2005 if all goes well), and have a daughter & a son. I only mention this information so you do not get the impression that I’m too old, too fat, too uneducated, or too broke to maintain a traditional relationship with a decent American woman.
So please do not chastise the members for using this tread the way it was intended. After all, it is an opinion thread created for mongers to “vent” about American women.
Besides, I enjoy the posts & think that some of them are right on point.
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Inner Demon, nice first report to WSG. I wish to welcome you.
I understand the frustration of some of the Gentleman on this forum, but its getting to be too much and only one-sided against American women. I think women no matter where they are from, can and will take advantage of men, or will be great to men.(Someone has to stick up for American women, but I won't always do it, so please others don't try to make me take the bate.)
A graduate student with a wife and kid, and a habit of picking up hookers? Life is tough, now I could see some American women wanting to take you home for the night, but without that job can you blame them for rejecting you for anything longer term? I could see how a foreign women might also reject you, for other reasons. ( if you work full-time too, well thats great, but now your life is even harder.) Oh ye, watch out for the PHDs' on this forum, we have lots of them.
Good luck, and hope to hear from you again, and where you monger.
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Inner Demon, I would like to welcome you to the board as well. I don't feel like I'm getting all fired up over the submissions in this thread, I just find it curious that some guys find it necessary to constantly complain about American women just because they are just as choosey about their sex partners as we men are.
You said that mongering is the only time that most men and women are completely honest with each other. You are joking, right? Most of the SW's I pick up treat me like I'm their best friend. They tell me how big my cock is and how much they love sucking it. They moan and fake orgasm and tell me how much they loved having sex with me. The reality: I pay hard-earned money for them to give me this illusion. Honest? Hardly. And I act like I'm interested in them and their lives, when all I really want is to bust a nut.
And I love foreign women myself and love picking up hookers even though I have been married and frequently have willing sex partners who I don't have to pay for sex. Correction: I do pay, I just don't hand over the money. Dinners, movies, etc etc. I find mongering more honest on that level. I have had foreign girlfriends and I can tell you they are every bit as gold digging as their American counterparts.
So, keep on venting. I will too. These American women are conniving *****'s and frequently drive me crazy too. But I also love American women; especially SW's.
Civ
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Interesting posts, gentlemen. Were it not for several issues with American women, I'd have no problem with them at all. My BIGGEST beef with them is that I often hear them say that the ideal man they want to hook up with would be rich, look like Fabio, own several villas and luxury and/or sports cars and run a multinational corporate empire. That's a SLIGHT exaggeration (JUST SLIGHT) but I've actually heard women utter some of this drivel. Another issue is that they whine incessantly when they latch onto a man and he doesn't take shape like the (impressionable) lump of clay she envisioned him to be. They complain to their girlfriends that the guy is an asshole yet she CHOSE HIM AND STAYS WITH HIM! They take it further by complaining to a guy friend who they would lead on to believe that by lending a caring ear he could somehow take this asshole's place. I got burned MANY A TIME and finally learned my lesson. Nowadays, when I hear the shit I just described, I look at it as if they are weeding themselves out FOR ME! I don't have to act like a P.I. and determine if this is a quality woman. Wanting the youngest (allowed by law, of course) best-looking woman on your arm is natural, but for me, it's not a "written in stone MUST-HAVE". I often find that an average-looking to very attractive (several levels below Supermodel) chick who is wonderful inside is LIKE THAT because NOT being of supermodel status forces her to develop intangible attributes that would effectively make her a "queen" without a crown. To put it short and sweet, my own personal standards of beauty are somewhat flexible, because I know that Supermodel Suzie is more than likely a vaporhead who depends solely on her looks and has no compunction about using a guy to get what she wants. She is not as intellectually developed as the Everyday Chick who has more balance with beauty, brains and class. Sure she may not grace the cover of Vanity Fair, but on the other side of the coin, there isn't a marble statue of ME in the Smithsonian museum posing in Olympic glory. If she can accept the fact that she made a mistake in choosing the wrong man (getting back to one of my beefs) and not make it an issue to be aired on a daytime soap opera, and move on and learn from it, BRAVO! Sorry for the long-winded explanation, my brothers, but I just wanted all of you to know EXACTLY where it is I'm coming from and that I don't lay thermonuclear bile at the doorsteps of American women WITHOUT just cause. Are there classy American women out there? They say there's life on planets OTHER THAN Earth, so, it just may be true.
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Umm, Sinanju Master, don't lots of guys ideas of ideal women fall into roughly the same category of unlikely? I mean, expecting women with big-titted model looks and porn star sexual abilities and appetites, who are happy to sweep the floors and cook dinners while serving endless beers to the ongoing poker party to fall for basically normal guys with normal looks and jobs isn't exactly heavy on reality either.
Your point about women who complain about the men they chose (as well as your methodology on this) is a good one -- and I think it's related to the whole illusion of how they think things "ought" to be. Fabio may have a great look, but there's no guarantee one of his clones won't be someone who slaps women around or comes home drunk every night or whatever. I certainly know lots of women who have gotten involved with total losers simply because of how they look or because they pretend to be big shots because that's what she wanted to hear in order to hop in the sack. That's called reaping what you sow.
'Course, I know plenty of guys who've gone the same route, and I've got just as little sympathy. Dealing with real people means generally not getting absolutely everything you want, no matter what country you're in and what gender you are.
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Hey Pokey,
Thank you for the welcome, but I hope I did not mislead you. I am a single man (YEAH).
I can understand why some women would not want to pursue a long-term relationship with an underemployed gentleman; however, a fair number of the posts are from relatively affluent men who still seem to encounter problems with intimate relationships. I do know that domestic violence is present in all households regardless of household income (I would love to know the percent of divorce relative to income/net worth). It just seems to me that money isn’t the magic bullet, but that there is some other underlying issue.
Having said that, understand that I too enjoy hearing all sides of a debate. I wish there were some cool, nonjudgmental women here to present their perspectives on dating.
Look forward to hearing from you again Pokey.
Hey Civ,
Thank you for the welcome & for responding to my post.
OK Civ, you said:
"mongering is the only time that most men and women are completely honest with each other. You are joking, right? Most of the SW's I pick up. They tell me how big my cock is, and fake orgasm, they loved having sex with me. The reality: I pay hard-earned money for them to give me this illusion.
Civ, this scenario doesn’t describe dishonesty. This scenario describes good customer service. Hell, many men pay a premium for this type of behavior.
You then go on to say:
I do pay, I just don't hand over the money. Dinners, movies, etc etc. I find mongering more honest on that level.
This statement confirms my original point:
Many men enjoy foreign women because they feel that there are no pretenses. You know her situation and you either strike a deal or you don’t.
Now, there will be some degree of playacting involved in mongering – this is present in every business transaction. You expect your wife to intimate desire for you, real or imagined. Part of what you pay for is the GFE, and since she’s on the clock, you know where her behavior stems from.
What you do not expect is to feel more comfortable with your XXXXX than with your significant other. Unfortunately, many men are suspicious of their lover’s affections because many times they do not know where her behavior stems from. It’s frustrating when your personal relationship begins to feel like an everlasting business negotiation – never knowing when everyone’s finally off the clock. Hell, if I’m going to feel that way, I may as well hang out with the w~~~~.
But you keep on venting Civ. Everyone is better off when we share ideas, popular or not. I know I do not have all of the answers, so I look forward to reading posts from you & all other members on this board.
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Sinanju Master,
Amen Brother!
Oh, I live & monger in SE Florida. I have posted before in the West Palm Beach thread, but it was anonymous at the time.
ID
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Joe Zop, you're right about unrealistic expectations of BOTH SEXES, but you (only slightly) missed my point. FANTASIZING about the ideal mate you described in your most recent post is harmless fun as long as one realizes that it's just THAT-- a fantasy that is not REAL. To clarify what I was trying to impress upon my bretheren here on this board, I'll give you a very specific example. An acquaintance of mine (a Czech chick who could very well be a model) was telling me about her female coworker who was single (I don't know her current status now). The coworker was lamenting the fact that she wasn't part of a couple and I was curious about why she wasn't. The Czech chick then tells me that (as verbatim as I can remember) "Elizabeth is always complaining about being single, but her expectations are way too high. She expects some tall, dark and handsome guy who has to be Italian with great hair to sweep her off her feet". Czeck Chick also mentioned requirements such as the nice car and outstanding job, etc. I'm not gonna begrudge this woman her desire to hook up with Fabio. That's her right. However, she was nowhere NEAR being a looker although she has a great job and can stand alone on her own merit. If she keeps holding out for this unobtainable vision, she'll go the the grave alone and bitter. She's looking for a man that either doesn't exist, or if he does, he's already taken by a Paris Hilton lookalike. She (and a LOT of American women) need to be more flexible in their selection pool. I'm not advocating "settling" for the bottom of the gene pool by ANY means, but they should revise their criteria to achieve the best results. I've learned that Happiness comes in a manner, shape, place and time that is as unanticipated as the roundhouse kick that could have dislocated my jaw. I hope I clarified what I was trying to say, Joe Zop. :-)
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Actually, SM, I don't think I missed your point -- my post was more a comment that the oftentimes unrealistic visions such women have are far too often matched by the equally unrealistic expections of our own gender. There are plenty of rants all through this thread (not recently, I don't believe, however, though there is of course the notorious "fat" discussion earlier) and elsewhere that focus on the physical shortcomings and other of various groups of women based on every bit as surfacy a set of criteria as the ones your Czech friend describes her friend as having. I've had far too many conversations with guys that go, "well, she's perfect but her tits are too small" or "I can't stay with her -- I only want a woman who's under XX age, 'cause after 30 her tits start to sag" (seen yer feet lately, bud?) or "she does everything I want in bed, but that means she's basically a **** at heart, so I can't stay with that" and so on. (Excuse me, but please pass that latter girl's number on, pal!) I agree completely that many American women have ridiculously unrealistic expectations, and my point simply was that so do many American men.
What's no good for the goose is also no good for the gander, and both sexes are too often stewing in their own juices.
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Hello mongers,
I noticed a mistake in my last post. There is a line that reads:
You expect your wife to intimate desire for you, real or imagined.
This line should read as folows: You expect your wh~~~ to intimate desire for you, real or imagined.
That makes much more sense, and it expresses the point I was trying to make. I apologize for any confusion.
I guess that's what I get for posting at 2:00AM.
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Sianju,
These women you mention wanting somebody who runs a "multinational empire" are bound to be unhappy if they get one. Unless, of course, they really don't care about the guy and are only into him for his money. Over the last twenty years or so, I've dealt with a number of high level exectutives in multinational corporations (no CEO's, but a few Presidents and a lot of Vice Presidents). They were all from one industry, so may not be a good portrayal of the entire corporate spectrum, but I would have to characterize 90% of these guys as sociopathic, low-life scumbags - with very large bank accounts. If that's what these women you mention are after, then more power to them - their prospective mates certainly won't care. The other 10% are sociopathic bible thumper hypocrites who screw people over all week long, but reckon it's ok since they go to church for an hour every Sunday to have their souls cleansed.
CBGB,
Last week you mentioned that Australian women never ask you probitive questions about your financial/educational background. It's possible that they figure that since you managed to make the move to Oz on your own, these questions have already been answered. When I was living in Brasil, I used to meet up with women from all levels of society - those living in flavellas to ones from high society (old money or well positioned families). The expectations were different based pretty much on the women's educational background, but the original assessment (that pertaining to financial assets) was very similar - women from the flavellas wanted to marry any non-Brasillian man and move back to his country and "live the good life" because they just knew that all foreigners in Brasil had to be rich, "after all, they managed to buy a ticket to Brasil & were generally not sleeping on the beach, so they must be rich, right?" On the other end of the spectrum, the well educated, high society types were a bit more pickey about foreigners since they understood that wealth is a relative thing - a middle class North American or European can live quite well in Brasil as long as he keeps getting a paycheck in USD or Euro's or Sterling, but these women were still interested in non-Brasillians because they were different from all the other guys they had known for their entire life and they also viewed foreigners as being potential mates due to a perceived reasonable financial stability - "they managed to pay for a trip to Brasil and they're not sleeping on the beach, so they must have some money, right?"
And CBGB, you say you own a large 4 bedroom house in Oz. What sort of message does that send to they local girls? I reckon their initial probitive questions have, in their minds, already been answered.
The fact is, women are women and somebody has already mentioned this, women are genetically hardwired to go after men who they perceive to be a good provider. I think the reason that American women are such a pain in the ass may be due to the fact that in America, women are expected to be able to work & provide for themselves which is in contrast with their genetic programming which is telling them that men must provide for them.
CW
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Cash Works a picture says a thousand words:
[url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/950000/images/_950958_aussiefans300.jpg[/url]
[url]http://www.azra.akin.bz.tc/azra_dosyalar/0015.jpg[/url]
[url]http://www.saigonnet.vn/vanhoa/chuyende2003/missuniverse2003/03052403/images/Miss%20Australia%20%20Ashlea%20Talbot.jpg[/url]
[url]http://www.research-racing.de/gpx2282.jpg[/url]
I see thousands of women like these every day in the land down under.
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CBGB, Just a suggestion, anyone can post websites with pictures of Miss Universe or the Foster Lager girl. Yes, even we in America have gals that pose for beer commercials. How about posting some pictures of real Australian girls or some of the beautiful hookers down there? I know the OZ women are outstanding, but how about something besides a professional model?
Civ2000
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CBGB,
I'm not arguing that there are some beautiful women in Australia, but you'll have to admit there are a few dogs as well. I've met a few of both and agree with you that their attitude is much better than their American counterparts - even the dogs were loads of fun when it came to partying.
The point I was trying to make is that if you were an Australian man, the Australian women would probably be quizzing you on your background & financial situation when they first meet you - as a foreigner in their country, you get to bypass the first round of interrogation based on certain assumptions that seem to be universal (doesn't matter what country you're in, foreigners are a curiosity) when local women are sizing up foreign men in their country, they're thinking "It costs a lot of money to get here from there, since he's here, he must have money".
CW