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Women's movement will spit in your face for the statement below.
Liberals despise it
Most women will never admit it, but know it's true.
Girlie men will disagree
"THE GREATEST GIFT A WOMAN CAN GIVE TO HER MAN, IS TO BE SUBMISSIVE!"
Now I'm not talking an all out stepping on, or pushed around, or controled, or abused, so don't go there. I'm talking, most men, instinctively will be far more attracted to a women, who truly aims to please, by fully allowing herself to be "taken" sexually. She is far more attractive when she is passive in this regard.
Now I know many of you here will put words in my mouth and run away with this. But facts of biology are not to be argued with and if you're honest with your inner self, you'll know it to be true.
We all prefer a women who would allow us to sexually be dominate and take control. Women instinctively find this attractive too. This is how we are naturally, it's just the modern world that has changed it.
Tang~!
PS. This is why so many of us venture to Thailand. It's like going back in time 300 years. For the most part, Thai women accept this and play the role!
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GT,
They don't even have to be that submissive. All they have to do is act according to their natural gender role and everyone will get along just fine.
That's the big problem for us here. Women no longer conform ( or want to) to their traditional gender roles. Because of this, there is what I call a "behavioral void". They know what they don't want to be (traditional and submissive), But they don't know what they DO want to be. So all they end up doing is trying to imitate us by chasing careers, trying to be assertive etc.
This absence of a well-defined gender role for women has left them without direction, confused, uncertain and insecure with regards to their place in society, their sexuality and their interactions with men.
Some idiots think we go to places like Thailand because we're such losers that we can't get laid any other way. They say it's because we're old, out of shape and have terrible personalities. They say the only way we can get women who will put up with our crap is to go get them in 3rd world countries.
They're a bunch of pussified (pacified?) idiots. I say we go to other countries not because we can't get women here, but because we want someone better than we could ever find here.
Women are women and men are men. There's a difference, it will never change. Anyone who can't figure that one out is gonna be unhappy until they do.
Rock
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Cash Works' last post reminds me of a former amigovia here in Buenos Aires. She knew I was a total dog so she told me she was going to fuck me twice a day so I would not have any energy for anyone else. This was when I was there for a 6 day visit. She fucked me twice a day every day but one and I still nailed 4 other chicas.
Later after the thrill was gone between us we ended up living together in an arrangement mostly of convenience. When I wanted to see another gal, I would just tell her she needed to leave by X o'clock and not come back until Y o'clock. Granted I was to an extent taking advantage of her lack of alternatives, but try [b]that[/b] with an American woman and see how long it lasts. BTW she and I are still good friends.
American women don't understand men the way Latina women do, and they are not realistic. A woman here once told me that Argentinean women know they need to satisfy their man, or else the neighbor will, or else he will run straight to the nearest w h o r e house. Of course actually, even men here who are quite satisfied with their wives still visit prostitutes on their lunch hours but they are considerate enough to do it in far away neighborhoods so as not to cause the wife a loss of face.
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Tang,
As usual, I disagree - and I don't think anyone in their right mind would accuse me of being a "girlie man". I have to admit though, there may be a little truth to what you say though.
While it may be nice from time to time to have a totally submissive woman share the bed, I tend to enjoy women who are at least a little agressive - it's rather enjoyable to have a woman initiate sex. I also enjoy cowgirl (woman on top - not a submissive position). Some of us prefer Brasil over Thailand - Brasillian women are less submissive than their Thai sisters. I enjoy both places for different reasons, but I'm currently leaning more towards Brasil.
In general, though, my ideal woman is one who is able to fend for herself - don't really want a woman who is totally dependent upon me. After all, if she doesn't "NEED" you, but she stays with you, it means that she actually WANTS you. So far, I haven't found her, so I monger on.
If you read on, you'll probably come to the conclusion that I'm "conflicted". You may be right, I don't believe in monogamy and the only women I've come across who would accept a guy fooling around on them would be easily classified as "submissive".
Dickhead,
Sounds like you had an excellent arrangement in Argentina. I had a girlfriend in Brasil a number of years ago who would actually get mad at me if I didn't fool around - but if I did fool around and she caught me she got even more angry - eventually, I had to dump the psycho b***h. I'm pretty sure she didn't really care one way or the other, just liked to have arguments so we could then have (very passionate) "make-up" sex - after all, that's how they do it in the novellas & she was definitely a certifiable novella addict.
I think American women do understand us. They just don't accept us as we are - they want to change us, mold us into what they think we should be. Every girlfriend I've ever had in the USA has stated at the beginning of the relationship that the reason she was attracted to me was because I was so different from all the other guys she knows. At the end of the relationship, when they finally get fed up with me, they would say it's because I refuse to change the way I am! WTF? She likes me because I don't conform to the American Ideal, but then she's pissed off because I don't conform the the American Ideal!
Monogamy is not a natural condition. There are all sorts of "morality" laws on the books labelled as "crimes against nature". I say that monogamy is the only crime against nature. Mammals don't practice it - all male mammals will have multiple female mates - females also fool around, but to a lesser extent. I could site examples of all kinds of stuff I've seen or heard of animals doing (I had a friend who worked summers on a pig farm in college, I used to come across heards of cattle and horses in Texas with one of my summer jobs in college), but I really don't think this is the appropriate place.
CW
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Hey guys,
Was reading some posts by RN over in the morality forum. As usual, they are well-written, clever, clear and to the point. In one of her posts she said something that was very relevant to this forum.
Here it is;
"In a sex industry transaction, I know exactly where I stand. I know what to expect from him and exactly what is expected of me. Out in the real world, I'm a bit lost. There is flirting and innuendo and no clear ground rules. Too much room for misinterpretation. Too much dancing around the subject."
There you have it! In just a few simple sentences, she has laid out one of the primary reasons why most of us are here. What's more, this was written by a woman. So it's not just us, many of them must be feeling the same way as well.
Rock
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Rock Dog,
I could not agree more, great post. I knew some people in here would take my last post out of context.
I'm not just talking a sexual position here. I'm talking about women not knowing their roles any longer and trying to become drill sergeants in the marine core and applying this to everyday life.
Women, instinctively make themselves more attractive to MOST men when they are meek, somewhat passive and perhaps a touch of shyness to them. Sure all of us like a dominant women from time to time, but most males, prefer there woman to be somewhat submissive and accommodating, rather then in your face, dominating, masculine wannabe-men.
I agree fully, that we travel to places like Thailand, because it is like stepping back in time. Women there, for the most part, are like women have been throughout most of history until the recent western world told them to be something else.
I for one, am fully capable of getting any woman here in the USA, but I'm not attracted to most women in the USA, They have gone way too far, I find many to be vulgar and obnoxious.
There is a reason why sooooooooooooo many US and western males are going overseas to find brides, it's not because they are all fat and ugly, true some are, but most are looking for a woman, who acts like a woman.
If every American male, knew 100% just how well the average Asian woman, treats her "man" this would force American Women to either change, or stay single for life. The problem is, most American men, do not know what they are missing, having never sampled just how great Asian woman can be. Totally accomodating and supportive! American women are full of envy, haste, confrontational, demanding, spoiled, gold diggers, whiny, and on and on, all of these qualities are NEVER seen in most Asian cultures!
Tang~!
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GettingTang, Rock Dog:
I think you guys nailed it. It's as if women don't know how to be women anymore, at least in Western culture anyway. Maybe that's why I've always been attracted to Latinas raised in a traditional culture; they're not so busy trying to wear the pants in a relationship.
If I wanted to date someone more masculine than me, I'd just become a homosexual.
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Was in the airport in Sao Paolo for a connecting flight to NYC. Standing in line noticed, or rather heard a Jennifer Aniston type with boyfriend walking around looking for the NY flight. When they were close I volunteered that this was the line for JFK/NYC. This broad looks at me like I have 2 heads, and i'm wearing an Armani suit, and gives me the drawn out ooook with wrinkled nose look. Boarded the plane and sat next to a real plain jane Brasileira you wouldn't look twice at. This girl 36 was so nice, sweet, and feminine I regret that I didn't get her number to stay in contact. Would love to go out with her just on her personality and not because of her looks. Also the hot duty-free shop girls are cool to take pictures of and talk with.
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A Jennifer Aniston type AW disrespected you? What else is new??? Most of the AW population is like that.
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Smut Villain, GettingTang, Rock Dog:
Reading your posts of late reminds me of a book that caused quite a stir when it was published back in 2001. Forgive me if it's already been mentioned on this board. "The Surrendered Wife: A Practical Guide to Finding Intimacy, Passion, and Peace with Your Man" by Laura Doyle directly addresses the themes you guys have been discussing here recently.
Drawing from her own experiences, the author discovered that "when she criticized, nagged and tried to control her husband, the marriage suffered; but when she 'surrendered,' letting him do things his way and make decisions for the family, he rose to the occasion, becoming a responsible and loving husband and making her feel protected and cared for."
(Hmmmm..... rediscovering of gender roles, perhaps?)
Of course she was viciously attacked by the feminists and accused of setting the women's right's movement back 50 years.
LS
Smut Villan quote:
"If I wanted to date someone more masculine than me, I'd just become a homosexual."
That's classic, man! I loved it. So true.
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I agree with you fellas 100%. A large majority of women have forgotten how to be women. I'm a 35 y/o single Black male. I've found out most suffer from DICK envy. They eventually chase off the real men because of their unnatural need to compete with them.
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I agree with you fellas 100%. A large majority of women have forgotten how to be women. I'm a 35 y/o single Black male. I've found out most suffer from DICK envy. They eventually chase off the real men because of their unnatural need to compete with them.
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BACK to the truth about Oprah's free car giveaway.
About 10 women have returned the cars, after receiving a $7145.00 bill of federal and state sale taxes on their cars. Also not included is the needed $2000.00 to $4000.00 in yearly car insurance.
These women were on the show because of letters sent in about not being capable of getting a car. They only got a 75% discount on a new automobile.
Well I guess it's better then nothing?
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NY Daily News puts Cynthia Nixon of Sex and the City on full blast as switching sides and having a lesbian relationship after leaving her ex and their 2 kids. Front page. Not even an expose, just like a normal in your face type article. It's the In Thing you know.
On the subway recently spotted a hot looking Jada Pinkett type with a message on her t-shirt. Upon closer inspection observed it to read "It's not easy being queer". Yeah right. I need to get a shirt that says "It's not easy being straight". That would not only be the truth but am sure I would get hated on too.
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Well, I'd say American women abhor whoring because they feel their captive market on pussy is being threatened.
Sometimes in life, I've agreed with y'all, that foreign women exude more sensuality and more truly appreciate sex. On the flip side, many come from countries in which they lack even the most basic rights. So pleasing their man is more easily seen as economic survival.
I'm sure that once the honeymoon is over, and the foreign women realize all that they're entitled to in this country, many of them, too, will treat pleasing their man like milking a goat.