I know this is not for everybody, but one group of American women I will actively look for are those that swing. It's all about no-strings-attached sex, and that can hold me over till I find a female I would want to settle down with.
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I know this is not for everybody, but one group of American women I will actively look for are those that swing. It's all about no-strings-attached sex, and that can hold me over till I find a female I would want to settle down with.
MP,
YMMV, but in my experience with swingers, the only time there are no hassels is if both members of the couple have plenty of other partners. I dabbled with older married women in "open relationships" when I was in college & rarely had any problems if they were one night stands and never saw them again, but if they were repeats, I would eventually wind up meeting their husband/boyfriend & things would always get, well, uncomfortable.
The last time I knowingly dabbled with a swinging female was about 8 years ago, on a trip to Bali. About 4 days before I went back to Thailand, I bumped into an Australian couple at a bar. They informed me that they were in an "open" relationship & I wound up taking the woman back to my hotel that night & the following night as well. The day before I left, her husband showed up at my hotel & gave me a load of shit about fucking his wife, who, just two days before, he had been encouraging me to fuck! (turns out, he wasn't getting any strange, so he got jealous or something). I'm pretty sure he would have tried to kick my ass if I wasn't twice his size.
CW
Just an opinion. But I believe our veterans overseas are fighting for the rights of all Americans. I believe that is what Freedom stands for. (End of my opinion.)
American women are (the kind of women that exchange sex for goods and services but are not prostitutes! Also can be defined as the w word.) It is that simple. Once you live overseas you can see very clearly how much so. I have seen a few compare them to prostitutes, this is an insult to a noble profession. Prostitutes agree to have sex with your bald headed fat hairy ass for X dollars. (Why do bald guys have hairy asses? Is it some kind of bad joke god played on them?) She does not get the money until services are rendered, she doesn’t say she has a headache half way through, and if she does she doesn’t get the money.
American women feel you must pay for everything on a date just for privilege of hauling her fat ass around town. That in itself can be looked at like an investment in future, if not for there usually being no future. You haul her around, first to diner, then a movie, then a bar, while in the car or chatting at dinner you can expect to hear what the latest Dr. Phil or Opera segment is, if you disagree you can’t voice that opinion or you will loose any chance to get laid she will label you a jerk and only take advantage of your futile attempts to win her heart/sex. While at the bar she hooks up with some guy she knows and introduces you. They talk about old times and he monopolizes the conversation. Once again if you resist you are labeled a jerk and loose the chance. If after navigating all the obstacles you haven’t honked her off you make it back to her place, you might get a night of hohum sex. That is if she isn’t passed out because she was drunk, or doesn’t have a head ache, or is in the mood at that second. That is the best possible situation for a normal guy. More likely you pay all the money get nothing but grief and she leaves the bar with some guy and you end up looking like a chump.
Not every woman in America is that way, but so many of them are. If you are very good looking then you will be the guy that makes the normal guys look like chumps when you walk out with their girl. If you are rich you pay the bills and the girl keeps putting out hoping she can convince you to marry her so she has control of your money. You look at the money as a cost of doing business and see the girls for what they are. All of this just proves my first statement.
But the whole notion of love and a normal guy doing the right thing and marrying the perfect girl who always takes care of him is a load of bunk.
Why it is that contract law does not cover pre-nup agreements? There are several reasons. If the agreements could not be disputed afterwards then men know what their costs are and can make a cost/benefit comparison if the relationship goes bad and divorce in America would certainly increase. The religious zealots will not support any law that monetize marriage and increases the divorce rate. Women’s groups will not support any law that makes women responsible for their actions. If marriage is monetized the clear connection between marriage and prostitution become obvious possibly leading to decriminalization of prostitution.
Johan007 wrote,
One advice: Go to Mexico, Brasil, DR, Peru, Honduras or whatever Latino country (just make sure you learn some spanish or Portugese) and you will NEVER again WANT any AMERICAN WOMAN!
Johan you forgot the country that holds the Holy Grail for us mongers, Gentlem remove your hats please, Argentina!
It is indeed good advice my friend and I have been there 14 or 15 times, probably why I have no tolerance for the crap we are expected to put up with here. I just can't believe I fell for it another time.
DR
Domino,
I'll admit, sometimes the discussions/complaints in this forum get a little overboard (almost to the point of whining), and I'm guilty of it myself; but the reason for this (I'm only speaking from my personal experience) is that so much of the quirky female behavior described here has been witnessed again and again (and again....), ad infinitum. And we're talking about some pretty neurotic behavior at that. A lot of guys aren't able to make the same claims as you, and this "Western Female neurosis" isn't helping matters at all; in fact, many of these same guys often see tremendous improvement in their love lives when operating in cultures where such craziness is rarely seen vis-a-vis dating rituals. Trust me on this one- I have first-hand experience of this phenomenom in nearly every country I've visited (including 1st-world locales such as Australia and Canada, so P4P and "Green Cards" don't always explain this condition).
BTW, I have a question: if you are such a hit with the ladies, how'd you end up being a Senior Member of a known prostitution forum?
1. Daddy Rulz,
Women get like that sometimes. It is simply the nature of feminimity. IMHO, I would have have told her that we could get dressed but that I'd like to hold her for a while. It seems that she was feeling insecure and that it is your job to make her feel secure. Most likely after 10-15 minutes of holding and fucking she would be willing to go again.
Then again, this girl could be simply be whacko.
Domino,
No your not! Most of us have. I can't say I have boned more than you, but I have boned quite a number. It still boils down to the same issues though. American women would much rather stay at home stuffing Twinkies down their pie hole watching Dr Phil than go out and meet a normal guy.
I have worked in many companies as a consultant. I listen to the same complaints over and over, generally not said directly to me but if in ears shot why not listen. "Why can't I meet a nice guy" says the heffer. "I have tried bars and nobody will pay attention to me, I post a personal and all I meet are losers. I just can't find a nice one..." I learned many moons ago not to pipe in with common sense and tell her why. But here I can without getting fired. She can't meet a nice guy because her definition of a nice guy is someone who looks close to Brad Pitt and is as charming as Hugh Grant, with enough money to buy her a rock the size of Texas and fork lift to help her haul her ass out of a limo. If you’re a 3 trying to bag a 10 you’re not going to have much luck. No matter what side of the table you call home. In the end she mostly stays home until her friends force her to go out or sucker someone into meeting her. He doesn’t meet her expectations and the whole routine starts again. This is the case even if the girl isn’t a heffer, normal girls do the same thing. Before I left the states I lived with twins. Both attractive a little over weight with some acne and both said those lines above. I dragged them out with me several times and they fell into the same problem. Guys came up they shot them down. Until a guy that was good looking or obviously loaded. They drooled and used every trick to try and land him. These guys know the game, they take the girl out fuck her and promptly forget her. She goes back and complains there are no good guys.
The reason you see many of us post here is that we are trying to help our compadres get the hell outta dodge and see the real world. Tonight I met two girls both model quality, with great personalities, good education and are not after a green card or money. (Neither want to leave Shanghai, and both insist on paying and/or keeping the expenses low.) Now I am not saying every girl overseas are like these two, but in 15 years in the states I never even met 1. This is just the 2 from tonight, and I have met many others. BTW they both are GF not P4P or freebies. I have numbers to over 50 girls I have humped here that would make great wives. The only reason I haven’t married one of them is they all have a rule I can’t live with in all honesty. Every one of those girls wants a committed relationship. Meaning NO MONGERING, dating, flirting, or many other past times I so enjoy. So if anyone is willing to give up those activities for a beautiful Chinese girl that will cook, clean, love, work, and provide bountiful sex send me a PM, and I will see if I can help you meet them. In the mean time I keep doing all my hobbies and looking for a girl that can honestly accept that. (Not likely I know but I’m not in a rush.)
Domino may have 3 holed a bunch of American women, and he is definitely a freak, but I don't necessarily see correlation between those two things.
Love the Ladies said
[quote]I would have have told her that we could get dressed but that I'd like to hold her for a while. It seems that she was feeling insecure and that it is your job to make her feel secure.[/quote]
In this country when a woman says "no" in any form, the only thing I'm doing is getting dressed and getting us in a crowded place. I would never, ever run the risk of allowing a nuerotic western woman have a chance to claim She was "pressured" into sex. I know that's not what you meant bubba but I won't expose myself to that at all. We live in a country where women that have had a few cocktails (I'm not talking about being blind drunk but rather simply a bit tipsy) are then later claiming they didn't give consent due to being intoxicated. Right now at this moment there are guys getting their butts streached due to this.
I'm also not a big believer anymore in indulging this insaine behaviour that women here think is their birthright.
Domino, no your not I've posted a fairly respectible life time number and have 3 holed more than my share. Why am I posting on a board about prostitution if I have such good luck with the ladies you say? I just don't have the patience to be spending the time, energy and resources it takes to seducce, overweight sexually inferiour women that can't be bothered to spend a minute on their appearance unless it's to try and fuck my best friend after we break it off. As Smut Villian says, it's not once or twice but again, and again, and again (and again). Being able to fly for free also has something to do with it I think. I'm not stuck here and don't have to save up for 6 months to be able to hit BsAs.
WICKED SH,
I hear ya! Until I was shipped overseas, I never KNEW what I was missing! Most chicks that I met on my travels were easy to talk to, even if I wasn't looking to have my bodily fluids drained. Here, in the States, a woman INSTANTLY seeks a way to shoot you down out of the sky and brag to her girlfriends after the fact. Several things I noticed in my conversations with foreign women over the years is that I was able to make them laugh (Hell, I love to make ANYONE laugh), I was able to establish a rapport with them, I was able to generate a genuine interest from them because I displayed a genuine interest IN THEM and they didn't lug along the baggage most American women carry around. I know that there are those out there that say you have to dig through a mound of trash before finding a treasure, but here, the mound of trash is as far as the Hubbel Telescope can see.
Another point is their gold-digging ways. A case in point: I was in Psych class in college and the instructor conducted an informal exercise by asking the women what they would think if a guy spent $25 or less on them on a FIRST DATE. MOST answered that they thought that he was a cheapskate and wouldn't bother to see him again. The instructor then said: (perhaps in order to get these baracudas to expand their way of thinking) What if the guy cooked the entire dinner for you and took you to a free cultural event and near the end of the evening, the two of you did something inexpensive, but FUN? Many of these mercenaries were initialy stopped in their tracks and looked as if they were contemplating the fact that the rest of the class would find them out: the possibility that money is the ONLY driving force in their lives. MOST of them shut the fuck up, but it was too late, a FEW hardcore gold-diggers held to their opinion. THIS is a major sticking point as far as I'm concerned, and NO American woman has a pussy so amazing that I'm gonna surrender my financial life to her. They can call me a loser if they like, but in MY opinion, the Loser is the one they are able to separate from his wallet while he gets NOTHING in return.
Maybe I have lived outside of the States for too long, and have thus forgotten what it's like, but the general tone of these posts reinforces the decision to stay outside for an even longer period of time. At first, I attributed alot of the negative remarks to Western women in general, but now, I do not think that is the case. I lived in Europe for years before moving to Asia, and the grasping avarice that you guys describe so well is not a characteristic of the European women I knew. I therefore conclude that this is a uniquely American phenomonon.
Maybe the fault lies in the obsessively commercial orientation of US society, that monetizes everything it ingests. Or maybe the whole thing is attributable to the not-so-latent puritanism in the US which equates sex with marriage (and therefore value), or maybe it's just that the US is one fucked up place. I mean how else could you explain Bush? Whatever the case, I no longer care, and I thank you guys for keeping me aware that my decision to leave was the right one.
GE
Is my computer fucked, or did Domino's recent posts in this forum suddenly disappear? How'd that happen (and why)?
SM,
I have to congratulate you on your "Hubble Telescope" observation, LMFAO.
To be perfectly honest though, ALL women carry around tons of baggage, it's just that foreign women seem to be better at keeping their problems to themselves & handling their problems without the need for us to intervene. For some reason, American women think we want them to dump everything on us, or they think it's our responsibility to intervene if they allow us to give them a prod.
GE,
It sounds like you're suffering from the same thing as me, or at least, if you haven't moved back to the US, you are anticipating suffering what I'm suffering now - Culture Shock! I lived in the US from the time I was born until I finished University. For the next 18 years, I only spent about 3-4 months per year at most here, generally for no more than 6 weeks at a time - nice vacation, I suppose. Anyway, a couple years ago, I moved back here full time & have been regretting it ever since.
When I was a University student, I would get laid occasionally by picking girls up at parties or bars, but to be perfectly honest, not often enough to satisfy my sex drive, since the coeds I was chasing were more interested in older men who had money - not a poor starving student. My best luck was with women who were 10-15 years older than I was - I'd meet them at bars or at my job - they weren't interested in a relationship, just wanted sex and they were far better in bed than their younger counterparts. The coeds would usually only allow one or two pops then it was "I'm too sore" or "what's wrong with you?". The older women were generally able to keep going until I was spent - if their pussy dried up, then they'd get me off by other means (BJ or HJ). So, girls my own age were preferred for their looks, but older women were preferred for their ability to satisfy.
Now, it seems that I'm in the category of "older men" as mentioned in the previous paragraph, so the young coeds I meet at bars as well as their older counterparts are basically wanting to check out my bank statement, my investment portfolio & last 7 years tax returns before committing to a night of getting naked and nasty. By being in a foreign country, this "financial background check" is bypassed simply by your being there & not being local - if you were a local, you'd be getting some of the same treatment by the local ladies that American women give everybody.
SV,
You're right, Domino's post doesn't show up on my computer either. You Senior members have the ability to edit your posts, can you also delete the posts if you want?
CW
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