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MMB, the media just about everywhere on the planet does that these days, it aims at stupid and immature people, and encourages stupidity and immaturity. They can sell more shit to more people if they aren't very good critical thinkers and can't control their emotional impulses very well. I haven't owned a TV in years and I think I have gotten a lot LESS stupid because of it :P
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito] I'm moving to Bogota,..It has ... great public transpotation (AND bike paths),[/QUOTE]Bogota, Colombia? As in drug cartels and gun culture? And bike paths? Would that it were true.
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Thanks Mmbmmb
The majority of Americans are "sheep" they follow what they are told. Which is why Cosmo has no problem filling over 200 pages of a magazine with ads.
In Men's Magazines like Men's Health, they actually look at it as most of us on forum look at it and is sort of a defense guide, because nobody else is willing to write one as its not PC. After all MEN don't need help right? We already have all the answers...
I never said I couldn't find anybody here. I'm just saying the time and money needed to invest in the local market or even extending my search to other states would cost just as much as flying overseas several times to meet women until I find a match.
I just felt my money is better spent in a more interesting place, meeting people and learning about other cultures for the betterment of ME. If in that I find somebody that has all the things I'm looking for then great! I just feel my chances are about 50% better than here.
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Biking is popular in Bogotá. So, yes, it is true.
[QUOTE=Happy Bigamist]Bogota, Colombia? As in drug cartels and gun culture? And bike paths? Would that it were true.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Mmbmmb]
In a few years, maybe 10, maybe 15, you’ll see what will happen to all those “paradises full of good women” when economy of their countries is better.[/QUOTE]
Yes. This is a big issue, it seems like it's going to suck being a guy on planet earth in 50 years.
But that's someone else's problem.
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Mmb
Let's flip your perspective. Yes, those magazines are filled with mindless drivel for women, as most things in media are. But those magazines are aimed only at women. BY women. Now take a look at any TV commercial featuring a man and woman in the US. The male will ALWAYS be made to look like an incompetent childish idiot. ALWAYS. And these commercials are seen nationwide by both genders. The same goes for any comedy on TV. Hell, even the dramas only have male villains. If a female is a villain, which is hardly ever, she is super-hot.
Basically media caters to the LCD, the lowest common denominator. It hurts our perception of men and women. It tells women they can be a CEO a mom and a supermodel all at once. It tells women that men are dumb and incompetent. It fills the minds of people with luxury items that few can really really afford comfortably, but many go in debt to achieve. If folks looked within themselves for happiness instead of some material goods, then maybe we wouldn't have so many postings on this forum.
Then again, what do I know? I'm powerlifter/video gamer/history buff that likes to think their is an attractive sweet girl somewhere on the planet for me.
Cheers.
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I really need to learn how to paragraph. =)
Happy Friday, folks!
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Furiouz
[QUOTE=Furiouz]Let's flip your perspective. Yes, those magazines are filled with mindless drivel for women, as most things in media are. But those magazines are aimed only at women. BY women. Now take a look at any TV commercial featuring a man and woman in the US. The male will ALWAYS be made to look like an incompetent childish idiot. ALWAYS. And these commercials are seen nationwide by both genders. The same goes for any comedy on TV. Hell, even the dramas only have male villains. If a female is a villain, which is hardly ever, she is super-hot.
Basically media caters to the LCD, the lowest common denominator. It hurts our perception of men and women. It tells women they can be a CEO a mom and a supermodel all at once. It tells women that men are dumb and incompetent. It fills the minds of people with luxury items that few can really really afford comfortably, but many go in debt to achieve. If folks looked within themselves for happiness instead of some material goods, then maybe we wouldn't have so many postings on this forum.
Then again, what do I know? I'm powerlifter/video gamer/history buff that likes to think their is an attractive sweet girl somewhere on the planet for me.
Cheers.[/QUOTE]
Chances are she's in Europe and I pretty much can confirm that. I don't believe there is only one match. I feel your matches can range from 80%-100% compatible. It really depends if you want to put up with her personalty faults and weather she'll put up with yours.
I learned a long time ago you should eliminate the ones that bother you the most.
For me is indecision, smoking, obesity & general lack of common sense
European women seem to be better informed, but that doesn't mean they automatically make the best decisions, after all I know one girl in Germany with 3 kids from 2 different fathers and she's never been married...
Smoking is big in Europe but I always felt if they loved you enough they would quit...
Obesity is a given because just how many fat girls are in Europe? If you go OUT OF YOUR WAY you'll find some, but generally most are slim to average, which suits me perfectly
Common sense you can really only find out by spending extended time with the woman in question and just see how she reacts to problems and questions. Is she a problem solver or a complainer? I think we can agree problem solvers are better in touch with common sense...
I'm always up for Wingmen... I'm pretty sure I'll be making at least 2-3 more trips before I find somebody.
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Gentlemen,
Writing about magazines I wanted to draw your attention to expectations towards women, not only AW. And exactly, magazines "say" to women that they have to be, not that they can be, "a CEO a mom and a supermodel all at once". I already wrote it’s hard because if you work 10-12h a day to be a CEO you can’t find time to go with your child to art classes or to prepare dinner for your husband. The problem is that "modern world" expects that you can do this. And women feel guilty. If they are "a mom at home" and they don’t make a career then they have no ambition and in my country people call them "home hens". It means that someone is stupid and good only for house cleaning. Unluckily people didn’t learn yet that it’s also work and cleaning ladies are expensive if they don’t work at their own houses. On the other hand if you work hard to be a CEO and you haven’t children you’re selfish old maiden without heart because it’s the role of woman to take care of family.
Do you understand gentlemen? Whatever you do it’s always wrong. And I have impression that women got lost in that all. They aren’t stupid "sheep". They don’t hurt you because it’s funny for them. They want happiness but they don’t know to the end what it is and how to get it. Gentlemen, there’s no man or woman who doesn’t make any mistakes. We all are imperfect but we can learn. If we made a mistake and we haven’t to do it again. Women’s magazines show only one version of happiness and people believed in it because media has a huge power all over the world. It doesn’t matter if you’re a woman in Poland, US or China. We all read the same version of articles and we see the same photos. To tell the truth if I see a young girl with fashionable clothes I can’t say where she comes from. H&M, Gap, Benetton or Banana Republic are well-known everywhere.
And the fact that "those magazines are filled with mindless drivel for women, as most things in media are" is a problem. I think it’s only about money. They try to sell as much bullshit as they can. Lately I went to H&M to buy some clothes. I saw a sale and I bought a blouse. I paid for it about 5$ but the first price, before sale, was 25$. Now gentlemen, tell me, how do you think, how much does it cost to produce this blouse? It’s a product made in China. They had to transport the blouse to Poland, to pay the duty and fee for factory which made it. The store also had to earn its own money so I started to wonder how much it costs to produce my blouse. I’m not astonished anymore that Madonna design for and advertise H&M because without her interview eg in Cosmo that " I love Viktor & Rolf collection for H&M and I’m happy that I can design for them. Etc. " nobody would buy their clothes. The quality of it is even below "the sea level";.)
And it’s not only H&M which makes its clothes in China. Look at your Nike shoes or Tommy Hilfiger’s jeans.
[QUOTE=Jelly Donut]Yes. This is a big issue, it seems like it's going to suck being a guy on planet earth in 50 years.
But that's someone else's problem.[/QUOTE]Jelly Donut, I prefer when you are an optimist :-) Think that you have at least 10 or 15 years to find the “super women” ;-)
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]In Men's Magazines like Men's Health, they actually look at it as most of us on forum look at it and is sort of a defense guide, because nobody else is willing to write one as its not PC. After all MEN don't need help right? We already have all the answers...[/QUOTE]I have to admit gentlemen that you inspire me to get to know new things. I’m not omniscient. I’ve never read any men’s magazine so I decided to do it. I checked Men’s Health, Playboy and AskMen.com.
Well, it was even funny. I couldn’t believe that your female neighbors look like on the photo “The girls next door” (I attached it) ;-) And I found also some questions/tips which are interesting for men:
-4 Sex Tricks Women Use
-7 Lap Dance Moves To Make You Melt
-5 Types Of Men Every Woman Wants
-What to do when she won’t return your calls.
-Why Women Like Jerks
-Places To Find Kid-Friendly Women
-Female Qualities Single Dads Should Look For
-Wanting Your Friend’s Girlfriend
-Is Her Flirting Serious?
And so on :-)
Sometimes, gentlemen, I have impression that, in these magazines, we are “alien creatures” for each other ;-)
One of my favorite books is “Solaris” by Stanislav Lem. There was a film based on it, by Steven Soderbergh, but it wasn’t outstanding. It was more famous for George Clooney’s naked butt so you haven’t to watch it ;-) Anyway the book was about a psychologist, Chris Kelvin. He was sent to a space station to checked why the commander of an expedition to the planet “Solaris” died. Well, the plot is interesting but the real “hero” of the book is the planet. It’s a big, alive organism. They try to examine it and to establish any contact but it’s no use. They are tired and don’t understand it. It’s not what they expected to meet. They rather thought that they would meet different races similar to human race but they weren’t prepared for something like Solaris. The author states that people like searching mirrors ,their own image in all new things. In naivety we thinks that everything feels (thinks?) in the same way how we feel. It’s not truth to the end. Luckily we don’t have to establish contact with alive planets :-) but with other people.
I agree with you that communication is the key but to communicate with the others we need understanding, a little imagination and a lot of good will :-) You really don’t need the tips what to do when she keep telling you “Not tonight, sweetheart. I have a headache” ;-) All we can do it’s to tell our partner what we feel and what’s wrong. After it’s up to her/his what to answer and how to solve the problem. If she/he doesn’t want to talk or rejects offer of counseling etc what else you can do? You can’t live instead of someone. One should do all what one can but anyone can’t make decisions for someone else. I always try to be sincere and to do everything to fix up the things but to create/keep a relationship we need also the second side.
[QUOTE=Furiouz]Now take a look at any TV commercial featuring a man and woman in the US. The male will ALWAYS be made to look like an incompetent childish idiot. ALWAYS[/QUOTE]And what’s wrong with this guy?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVYVpxrTjrg&NR=1
Never say never (or always) ;-)
Or maybe you haven’t this commercial in US?
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[QUOTE=Happy Bigamist]Bogota, Colombia? As in drug cartels and gun culture? And bike paths? Would that it were true.[/QUOTE]
Dude, why write when you obviously don't know??
1) the two big cartels were in Medellin and Cali, NOT Bogota
2) Muggers use knives there, not gunsas a rule. How do I know, I've seen it, THREE TIMES! The US is the 'gun culture' country, dude.
3) [url]http://www.idu.gov.co/sist_trans/ciclorrutas.htm#[/url] ... go to the bottom, click on "Descargar Plano de CicloRuta" ... it's the best bike path system IN THE WORLD!
Next time think before you vomit. Thanks.
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MMB what I think would make things better is if everybody threw their TV in the garbage, left their cars at home, and started transporting themselves by other means that might actually mean contact with the rest of the human race. I doubt it's going to happen anytime soon in America!! BUT it would certainly go a long way towards curing us of our alienation and isolation and our anti-social tendencies!
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[QUOTE=Mmbmmb]
Jelly Donut, I prefer when you are an optimist :-) Think that you have at least 10 or 15 years to find the “super women” ;-)
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Excellent. Well, by nature I am an optimist - I feel damn fortunate when I look around me, but that does not mean I can afford to ignore the future and the fickle nature of God.
Besides, your projection is an optimistic one - in the not-to-distant future the circumstances of women around the world will be much improved - and I agree with it or at least I hope it will turn out true. I think if things do not improve for women, and the poorest countries, in the next couple of generations things will be worse for everyone, everywhere.
Still, that has implications for men. Right now, I live in a country with a relatively high standard of living and this gives me advantages in terms of finding women in countries where the per capita GNP is lower. To my way of thinking, that's not any different than a guy who grew up in Palm Springs romancing a girl from suburban Seattle; he has some advantages. It's just the way it is.
But as the GNP of both China and India and Brazil and so on increase, it's naturally going to throw a big series of problems in the ISG mix. Demand is going to increase as guys from, say, Poland can increasingly afford to go to Thailand. And supply will decrease as the quality of life improves in, say, Brazil. It's a grim long-term forcast for many future ISG readers - but it's probably not going to be a major issue for current readers. By the time things get really hard, most of us will be to old to care anymore.
And again, in the big picture it may not serve the best long-term interests of ISG readers - but it's an optimistic vision for the world.
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Hmm..
Mmb, I think we are sort of arguing the same point from a different angle. In general, the media fosters unrealistic expectations through print and video for both genders. I think the case is too many people fall for it, for that stereotype.
Case in point. One of my clients is 5'1 140lbs. Now that sounds like a big woman, and she can stand to gain some lean mass and drop her body fat percentage. But she is easily one of the most attractive women I have ever met. I could easily easily make love to this girl for the next couple of decades. I was watching the other guys in the gym as I was training this client and they ALL just STARED at her. But she is looking to drop 25lbs to fit in some ridiculous size. I keep telling her don't worry about the weight, worry about your health and how you feel. I think she is almost perfect as she is.
As Western men it is becoming more and more difficult to find a true partner in our consumer driven culture. Women can have their run of men as they wish, so they have different problems in that regard. But this is a forum for men. There are ample enough places on the Net for women to vent about their problems.
"Cash Rules Everything Around Me, C.R.E.A.M get the money...dolla dolla bill y'all".
PS-Regarding that commercial, there are anomalies throughout all of nature =P
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[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]
I'm always up for Wingmen... I'm pretty sure I'll be making at least 2-3 more trips before I find somebody.[/QUOTE]
I'm a pretty good Wing, if I do say so myself =)
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Jelly Donut,
Maybe I’m stupid but not so stupid to believe that prostitution will disappear or it will decrease widely. I wouldn't worry so much about ISG's readers. I like to think that it’s a question of poverty but it isn’t, at least not to the end. Prostitutes work also in USA, Canada or Japan. And these countries are wealthy. Even if you don’t work in these countries as a lawyer but as a waitress you aren’t hungry and you can rent a place to live. Of course it’s not a house in the center of Manhattan but you don’t worry that you can’t buy shoes for winter or you have no money for food. I understand that poor girls from eg SA can come to US and to work there as escorts but I don’t believe that all prostitutes are from foreign countries. If you’re a healthy, American girl who graduated high school you have a lot of possibilities eg army or part time job and credit for studies ect. You haven’t to be a sex worker. So why do they decide to work as prostitutes if they aren’t poor? I wrote more about the gentlemen’s “dreamlike princess”.
I have no ambition to save the morality of the world and I have no illusions that my attitude to life is universal.
I know JD that you can say: “I’m too old for that shit she tries to “sell” me.” ;-) But what’s important in life it isn’t only sleeping with as big amount of women as you can. You wouldn’t discuss with me if all what you expected from life is mongering. I also didn’t start any post here.
I just wanted to write gentlemen that you haven’t to agree for all this crap. I mean what you pay for you should get for free from a beloved person. That’s why I wrote “the theory about plants” and all my “golden thoughts”. I was surprised and scared when I was reading your posts before. Let me quote some of them (partly from thread about AW and partly from this about marrying foreign woman):
[QUOTE= Gentlemen]Big Bubba (thread: MFW, 03-03-06)
I was married to a sexy brazilian lady ffor 5 years. treated her like a lady didn't cheat on her. did all my husband duties, kept roof over her head all bills paid food on table even gave her a nice car mazda protege 5 wagon. Even treated her son like a king. Well life was great until her temporary green card arrived then sex slowed down and life started getting crappy, and when the permanent green card arrived she left me in the dirt. Didn't even take shit just walked out of my life.
Now I treat all women for what they are tricks and ho's. And I do plan on bringing a foreign bride over and she will be my live in prostitute I will screw her so much that when her green card gets here she will have a bowling ball sized vagina and thats a fact.
If it sounds like I am sour yes I am and many of you are also thats why we are all on the sex web page discussing sex and sharing women.
I would just rather have *****s for the rest of my life. Not many headaches and I never have to say I love you.
Thats my 2 cents worth. don't even put me down because many of you are on same boat as me for feelings no matter where you live in the world.
NoFatso (AW, 05-30-02)
American women are so nasty, fat, saggy, obese, not taking care of themselves.... all these have to do with the guys! American men make them so. Why? The bad attitude, the lack of taking care of oneself, the "endowment mentality" does not exist in vacumn. It is through ages of reinforcement, encouragement, pampering, from girlhood to womanhood. Everytime you take a fat woman out, everytime you let your woman cheat your money, everytime you wine and dine a woman and did not get laid, everytime you pamper her without a reward of love. The monster is not created overnight. So, guys, blame yourself, not the women.
Chocha Monger (AW, 11-23-06)
The truth is AW are only after one thing. Cash. Their means and methods may vary but the end result is always the same
NicFrenchy(AW, 11-22-06)
American women are completely worthless creatures. Materialistic and heartless.
Ezinho (AW, 10-28-06)
We have a major problem in this country, gentlemen. There is, obviously, a war against men in this country right now, but it's more than just that. There is a war against HETERO men. It is no longer appropriate in this country to find a woman attractive; that's considered a crime now.
OwnaFord1994 (MFW, 03-09-06)
What foreign women offer to these guys is claimed to be "relatively young, attractive wife, who doesn't have her brain poisoned by feminism, materialism and puritanism-at least to start with".[/QUOTE]It’s enough. I guess you know what I mean. I know it’s a forum for men and their problems but if it’s about relationship and love women’s problems are also men’s problems and vice versa. We agreed that the reason of your “failures” with AW is partly a problem of culture, personal character of woman and changes in the American society. So it’s not only fault of AW.
I admit gentlemen that I simply like people and I love life, generally. I like listing to what people have to say because I’m not omniscient and maybe I’ll learn something new. I don’t like to take life seriously and I try to be an optimist. Your posts gentlemen were so full of bitterness. I had impression that every morning you wake up and you start the same mantra: “AW are worthless creatures who declared war against us”. No wonder that life is hard. Do you think gentlemen that Polish men are ideals? So no, they aren’t but life without them would be very boring and without any taste ;-)
Well, I want to think, gentlemen, that even if it’s hard to find a true partner it’s not impossible. But if you think:
“And I do plan on bringing a foreign bride over and she will be my live in prostitute I will screw her so much that when her green card gets here she will have a bowling ball sized vagina” or “There is, obviously, a war against men in this country right now”
You’ll probably never trust anyone again.
[QUOTE=Furiouz]PS-Regarding that commercial, there are anomalies throughout all of nature =P[/QUOTE]In my country people say that an exception confirms the rule. Well, I just like to look for the exceptions and to believe that I can find them more and more ;-)