Female condoms; STD risk from unprotected oral sex
Thanks for the reply, Tiny 12. I think you are right about a man being more likely to get genital herpes (HSV 1 or 2) or genital warts (Human Papilloma Virus or HPV) from intercourse with a typical male condom than oral sex without a condom. According to the Wikipedia article on the female condom, "Female condoms are better at preventing some STIs than the traditional condom. This is because they cover more skin, which is the main way skin-to-skin viruses are contracted, such as herpes." ([url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_condom[/url], accessed Nov. 10, 2009) So I think female condoms should be used for vaginal intercourse. The inner loop can be removed, permitting it to be used the same way a male condom would be, providing much greater protection than can be had with the usual male condom from any sexually transmitted disease that is transmitted by skin to skin contact, such as herpes 1 or 2, genital warts (HPV), or syphilis.
Having HSV-1 may make you less likely to get genital herpes (HSV 1 or 2) through oral or vaginal sex, but having HSV-1 hardly makes you immune.
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[url]http://www.healthcentral.com/genital-herpes/c/86/6903/hsv1-oral-sex[/url]
accessed Nov. 10, 2009, The Truth About HSV1, HSV2, and Oral Sex
Charlotte Grayson, M.D.: "However, did you know that either type can reside in either or both parts of the body and infect BOTH areas? In some parts of the world, genital infection with HSV-1 is as common as HSV 2 genital infection." ...
"[Q]You have genital HSV-1 and your partner has genital HSV-2 and you have unprotected sex.
[A]There is a small risk that you will get HSV-2. However, it’s not very likely that your partner will get genital HSV-1. It’s rare for a person with genital HSV-2 to get HSV-1."
"[Q]Your partner has genital HSV-2 and you perform oral sex on him or her. Will you get oral HSV-2?
[A]Not likely. Almost 100% of HSV-2 infection is genital. Part of the reason is that most people have oral HSV-1 – providing some immunity against infection against HSV-2."
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[url]http://www.webmd.com/sexual-conditions/guide/20061101/herpes-oral-sex-womens-risks[/url], accessed Nov. 10, 2009, By Miranda Hitti, WebMD Health News, Reviewed by Ruth Oratz, MD, "Herpes and Oral Sex: Women’s Risks
Receiving Oral Sex, Vaginal Intercourse Boost Chance of Herpes Infection": ...
"HSV-1 has been traditionally thought to spread "above the waist," while HSV-2 has a reputation for Transmission through sexual behavior "below the belt," say University of Pittsburgh researchers. But now, they've shown that women can also catch HSV-1 through vaginal or oral sex. ... HSV-2 infection doesn't help protect against HSV-1 ..."
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[url]http://www.herpes.com/hsv1-2.html[/url], accessed Nov. 10, 2009, "The Truth about HSV-1 and HSV-2": "... 'People don't understand that you can have type 1 genitally or orally, that the two types are essentially the same virus,' says Marshall Clover, manager of the National Herpes Hotline."
Clients of Sex workers At Greater Risk For AIDS
Guys, if you're out there barebacking prostitutes your risk of catching AIDS is comparable to that of the prostitutes you fuck. As a monger you fall in a higher risk group so statistics for the general population are not applicable to you. This recent report is eye-opening for mongers.
[url]http://chhs.sdsu.edu/newspdf/7.12.09%20Risky%20Sexual%20Behavior%20Among%20Clients%20of%20Tijuana%20Sex%20Workers%20Heightens%20Risk%20of%20HIV%20Transmission.pdf[/url]
A question for bareback mongers?
If you caught AIDS from mongering bareback would you giving up or mongering or will you continue to monger bareback?
Where can I buy condom with attached skirt at base?
[QUOTE=John Dough]Traditional condoms cover the penis only but not the pubic area, so can not effectively isolate the body fluids. This condom has an attached skirt at the base to also prevent HPV and other skin to skin transmitted STDs.
[url]http://www.goldcannon.com/[/url][/QUOTE]The answer I got when I inquired is that the condom with attached skirt at the base isn't yet available in the USA. Does anybody know if and where they can be bought now, either in person or by mail?
Perhaps for now the female condom with the inner loop removed and used as if it were a male condom is the best available, since standard male condoms leave users at risk of STIs that are transmitted by skin-to-skin contact (syphilis, herpes, warts).
Using female condom same as you would a male condom
[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]You don't remove the inner ring from a female condom, unless you're having anal sex. Female condoms can't be used as a 'regular' condom outside of a woman's vagina. They're way too large.[/QUOTE]The manufacturer's instructions say to remove the female condom's inner ring only for anal intercourse, but that's nonsense. Who says "Female condoms can't be used as a 'regular' condom outside a woman's vagina"? My many experiences of using them that way for vaginal intercourse proves you [u]can[/u]. And it works just fine.
Your other idea about using a dental dam with a standard male condom to avoid any skin-to-skin contact might be worth a try, but I suspect the dental dam would tear enough to allow direct contact at the base of the penis as always happens with standard male condoms with full penetration, permitting transmission of STDs transmitted by skin-to-skin contact such as herpes, syphilis, and genital warts, which is why sex with standard male condoms is so dangerous.
Another problem with all standard male condoms is that while pressure can still be felt, friction is gone, which is why men compare the satisfaction of intercourse or oral contact when wearing a standard male condom with that of taking a shower while wearing a rain coat (keeping you dry in the shower). With the female condom used as directed or even with the inner loop removed and worn as a male condom, the female condom sticks to her more than to you, so you still feel friction, making vaginal intercourse feel almost completely natural while providing you with much better protection from STDs than would be possible with a standard male condom. The female condom worn as a male condom with the inner loop removed, for vaginal intercourse, provides far more coverage and far better protection than you are giving it credit for.