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[QUOTE=KaveMan;1665832]This type of post is very, very common and the prolific posters / list makers rarely address it.
FKKs have women no better than your local budget escort agency; once you factor in your all-in-cost of travel, hotel, taxi, trains, etc. Its actually more than local.
I think what is missed my casual readers is the average monger is over 50+ and their definition of 8-10 or spinners / stunners is anyone under 40 or younger than their wives ie, under 50.
Some snarky commenter will eventually say "FKKs have same quality of girls as Globe or elite EU Salons / Studios". This is also false. FKKs have many fat women be / see older Germans like fat women. Its common stereotype of Haus Fraus. Any ex-globe / salon gal most likely put on weight and / or didn't make enough $ to end up at a aFKK from Switzerland.
At EU 50/ sex, you get what you pay for.
Before you drop $1000-2000 on a FKK trip, I would ask yourself how you do in casinos with that money, because your risk of poor line up is same.[/QUOTE]I can't help to laugh at your post.
The girls being fat, that's simply not true. You seem to be drawn to skinny / anorexic girls. Skinny ain't beautiful per se imo.
Of course its possible to find hot girls in the big FKK's, if not I feel sorry for you. And I'm only 22.
You forget some factors that might play a part for people. Legality, transparency, surroundings matters as well.
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Kaveman,
I think you have underestimated the advantages of FKK several ways. I prefer to focus on the positives and ignore any deficiencies. Its hard to have a great time with a negative attitude.
Its not about how many fat girls or plain girls can be found at FKK. Its about the best half dozen in the house. The remainder matter very little to me.
In homeland, brothel girls would not be naked. A major problem. 9 in 10 give bad service. Only asian girls are acceptable. The western girls are too professional. They are not that pretty and not slim enough for my taste. I did not bother for many years. The price in homeland is higher for the house and per 30 minutes. Even if I was stuck there for months, I would not bother. I know a girl I could meet privately.
Oase provides excellent value for money especially when you want to be there for significant time and want to sample multiple girls.
I am happy to have a room chance with very pretty girls by my standards. E. g. Christina, Beatrice, Simona, Anna, Elizabeth, etc. If others are not so special looking, its no issue for me.
Maybe performances is not amazing enough for some guys. I know some amazingly good performers, and others can still be fun. Its possible to motivate some girls to perform better. Not all.
Its many many years since I had a really wonderful western girl in my homeland. Just too hard to find or too expensive.
I used to go to lap dancing clubs to see the real stunning beauties naked. No sex. FKK quickly cured me of that.
FKK must have something, causing guys to fly here. I am only here for work, but FKK allows me to get sex I missed out on when younger. When married I got one per month and it wasn't quality.
I really believe the Oase line up was not very special in late 2013, but improved significantly over 2014. There are always the day when best girls are missing. The line up is not likely to be at its strongest right now, but should gradually improve. By Automechanika, it could well be the best line up ever at Oase.
You are right. I don't take any notice of super pessimists like Horny Harry. 'Casanova' mongers several days per week right throughout Germany and Switzerland, yet he visited Oase almost every Saturday. As his taste matches mine, this was a pretty good indicator for me that Oase had to have one of the better selections of girls, and he is quite demanding in the room too (me not so much).
Those that don't prefer slim girls could well see it differently.
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[QUOTE=Syzygies;1665875]Kaveman,
I think you have underestimated the advantages of FKK several ways. I prefer to focus on the positives and ignore any deficiencies. Its hard to have a great time with a negative attitude.
Its not about how many fat girls or plain girls can be found at FKK. Its about the best half dozen in the house.[/QUOTE]I think it's important for newcomers to know that half-dozen is 6/60 or 6/100 or 6-10% of line up is stunner quality.
Your lists often have large % as model type body or rarely indicate this true small % of high quality.
I was actually pretty ticked off of same issue with Globe reports and had to be quick moving to find alternatives in Zurich (Aphrodisia) that offered 9-10's at premiums.
Many FKK posters reports are 8/10,8/9, 9/10 and it gets tiresome in lack of transparency and exaggeration, when in person it's just not reality.
Some FAQs or sticky or tips on getting stunners (pre-booking, early arrival, special days) is more helpful!
Posting that 90% of FKKs girls are below avg is first time in 100's of pages I have read that anyone has admitted.
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[QUOTE=Syzygies;1665875]You are right. I don't take any notice of super pessimists like Horny Harry. 'Casanova' mongers several days per week right throughout Germany and Switzerland, yet he visited Oase almost every Saturday. As his taste matches mine, this was a pretty good indicator for me that Oase had to have one of the better selections of girls, and he is quite demanding in the room too (me not so much).
Those that don't prefer slim girls could well see it differently.[/QUOTE]Nope I'm not a super pessimist, because as I can be quite positive about girls in other places like Sharks or GT's. I guess some people are pretty easy to please (and rip off) as your taste in line-up, not so demanding in room, and ignoring a short changing story demonstrates, but why does that suddenly make everyone else a "super pessimist?
All I'm saying is that that the FKK arena is much bigger than just Oase and that I don't see what all the hype is about. Perhaps there are some true gems there, but no more than any other place that I've visited.
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[QUOTE=HornyHarry;1665984]Nope I'm not a super pessimist, because as I can be quite positive about girls in other places like Sharks or GT's. I guess some people are pretty easy to please (and rip off) as your taste in line-up, not so demanding in room, and ignoring a short changing story demonstrates, but why does that suddenly make everyone else a "super pessimist?
All I'm saying is that that the FKK arena is much bigger than just Oase and that I don't see what all the hype is about. Perhaps there are some true gems there, but no more than any other place that I've visited.[/QUOTE]Going to FKK's the amount that Syzygies does will probably change your expectations of women and perceptions of hotness / beauty.
A lot of FKK women that are reported as being "stunners" here actually can look quite "used up" to a non-FKK person, when compared to the girls you might meet outside of FKK's. In the real world. But when you live in the FKK bubble, things change. This is neither good nor bad.
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[QUOTE=HornyHarry;1665984]Nope I'm not a super pessimist, because as I can be quite positive about girls in other places like Sharks or GT's. I guess some people are pretty easy to please (and rip off) as your taste in line-up, not so demanding in room, and ignoring a short changing story demonstrates, but why does that suddenly make everyone else a "super pessimist?
All I'm saying is that that the FKK arena is much bigger than just Oase and that I don't see what all the hype is about. Perhaps there are some true gems there, but no more than any other place that I've visited.[/QUOTE]All what hype? Frankfurt has several clubs. I attend more than one as do most experienced mongers and it just depends on which favourite girls are around at the time for me. Maybe my first visit for Jan will be Sharks. Some favourites are expected to be there where Oase is far less clear to me.
Oase does have quite a number of girls I like at its best and some I would like to try. If you don't like Oase, that is fine. I am not influenced. Others have a good time at several clubs including Oase.
It so happens I was not enthused by the girls at Palace and Mainhatten previously due to shortage of slim pretty natural girls. This could change when I try again.
I regard myself as a pessimist and yet have much more positive views than your post had. That is my logic. Dufey is a poster that is an Optimist or has much more positive views, mostly. I like his positive attitude, even more positive than me. He writes exuberantly at times. Yamayama also has a particularly positive outlook that is easy to like. He has fun at several clubs including Oase. Would be nice to meet him. Might even learn something from his style.
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[QUOTE=KaveMan;1665918]
Posting that 90% of FKKs girls are below avg is first time in 100's of pages I have read that anyone has admitted.[/QUOTE]What a nonsense illogical thing to write. Its clear that most girls are either average or above average compared general population. For Oase FKK itself, mathematically approx. 50% will be above average even if just slightly so.
The number of slim model like or really nice bodies is significant. Not many of these have a stunning face to go with it.
The number of stunners is small for me but purely dependent on how pessimistic or optimistic is your taste.
When I make a girls list, its better for me to omit most negative comments or opinions. Its known who I am. The more factual aspects of the list is what matters to most guys like which girls are around.
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[QUOTE=KaveMan;1665918]Posting that 90% of FKKs girls are below avg is first time in 100's of pages I have read that anyone has admitted.[/QUOTE]Whilst there was plenty about Oase that meant it will not be a favourite club for me (dimly lit, narrow corridors, small rooms, crap food, and more determined upselling), I would not think to complain about the lineup. I don't have enough experience there to really comment on service levels (in my limited experience it was just ok), but there were plenty of girls that I would happily have taken to the room. You do have to deal with the occasional girl that would never trouble your conscious when shopping for escorts, but that is a small price to pay. These girls manage to make a living, so the demand for them is obviously there.
With regards to comparisons with mid-price escorts. I have stopped taking escorts since I started attending FKK. For me there is no comparison; FKK wins every time. I like the concept, the service levels, the shopping experience and the girls.
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Given recent discussions about FKKs in general, I think we all should be extremely grateful for their existence. I was recently in Costa Rica. Considered a mongering heaven by Americans going there in some cases.
Several times a year. And my reflections are as follows.
1. About 90% of the girls were outright fat. Probably due to heavy presence of US fast food chains. At FKKs. In my experience. Less than 20% would be considered fat.
2. Obviously they all have clothes on so there is always a. Rather large. Element of uncertainty on what the girl's body actually looks like.
3. Service levels very mediocre compared to FKKs.
4. Certain language issues. Mostly weak English.
In comparison. FKKs are highly superior in my opinion.
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[QUOTE=KaveMan;1665832]
I think what is missed my casual readers is the average monger is over 50+ and their definition of 8-10 or spinners / stunners is anyone under 40 or younger than their wives ie, under 50.
Some snarky commenter will eventually say "FKKs have same quality of girls as Globe or elite EU Salons / Studios". This is also false. FKKs have many fat women be / see older Germans like fat women. Its common stereotype of Haus Fraus. Any ex-globe / salon gal most likely put on weight and / or didn't make enough $ to end up at a aFKK from Switzerland.
[/QUOTE]You're a funny guy. Tastes are different. But to state that most girls at FKK around Frankfurt or especially at Oase are fat is bullshit. Actually it is more the oriental customers (e. G. Turkish) who like bigger women. Can't second that Germans are satisfied with any girl younger than their wife. Most guys I know are not.
HB.
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[QUOTE=KaveMan;1665832]FKKs have women no better than your local budget escort agency; once you factor in your all-in-cost of travel, hotel, taxi, trains, etc. Its actually more than local.[/QUOTE]And you've formed these opinions after visiting how many FKK clubs in Germany?
[QUOTE=KaveMan;1665832]Before you drop $1000-2000 on a FKK trip, I would ask yourself how you do in casinos with that money, because your risk of poor line up is same.[/QUOTE]I thought you were some sort of 'elite', big shot banker? If that's the case, then it seems odd that you're concerned with what amounts to the tab for some after work drinks for a successful banker / trader.
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[QUOTE=KaveMan;1665832]This type of post is very, very common and the prolific posters / list makers rarely address it.
FKKs have women no better than your local budget escort agency; once you factor in your all-in-cost of travel, hotel, taxi, trains, etc. Its actually more than local.
I think what is missed my casual readers is the average monger is over 50+ and their definition of 8-10 or spinners / stunners is anyone under 40 or younger than their wives ie, under 50.
Some snarky commenter will eventually say "FKKs have same quality of girls as Globe or elite EU Salons / Studios". This is also false. FKKs have many fat women be / see older Germans like fat women. Its common stereotype of Haus Fraus. Any ex-globe / salon gal most likely put on weight and / or didn't make enough $ to end up at a aFKK from Switzerland.
At EU 50/ sex, you get what you pay for.
Before you drop $1000-2000 on a FKK trip, I would ask yourself how you do in casinos with that money, because your risk of poor line up is same.[/QUOTE]Now, not the best period for good castings in FKK, but during 11th birthday of World or after and also in Oase, Sharks or LR, I met girls as pretty as russian escorts and sometimes with better services, for 100/ h instead of 200/250/ h.
I met many girls in FKK, coming from Globe. Ch, Bumsalp. Ch, Aphrodisya. Ch or Liestal, even they make 200 FS / h in Swiss, they don't work enough if stay a long time, so come back to FKK.
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I am there now and I did not get short changed. Ha ha.
May be it is the early January effect but the quality is the lowest I have ever seen.
Saw Anya (RO) Alexa (Claims BU), Larissa (RO) and Vana (RU).
Vana is a beautiful Russian blonde and my best of the day. She did ask for 100 euro for 30 min but she said that includes GFE with DFK and CIM. I could not pass up. It was an exceptional 24 minutes. If I come back here this week, I will see her again.
Rest can be passed. Alexa, the pretty, tall, thin brunette with frames. She was friendly outside but was a dud in the room. Wham-bham-thank you mam. She asked for tip! No thank you.
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Quick Q&A: will Carla (Ro) be back? The small see+cup brunette.
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[QUOTE=Vitrea;1666238]Vana is a beautiful Russian blonde and my best of the day. She did ask for 100 euro for 30 min but she said that includes GFE with DFK and CIM. I could not pass up. It was an exceptional 24 minutes. If I come back here this week, I will see her again.
[/QUOTE]This Russian, can you describe more details? Her age and height? How is her looks facially? Is she new to the club? If Romanian Anabella from Sharks showed up, guys should recognize her as she is a looker for sure. Good enough service for me at Sharks including prolonged DFK, but at Oase, she'll probably play the upsell game to join the pack there.
So rare to see pretty Russians now.