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[QUOTE=Akibono;2101539]You are correct. Being a cheap charlie is never worth it. You got superior service by paying a little more. [/QUOTE]No you don't. All the girls will think you're weak and that they can extract more money from you by working less. Being a wimp and saying "yes" to every requests doesn't attract the good providers, it attracts the sharks like a bloody carcass. The girls won't respect you more, they'll think you're a pussy and they will probably make fun of you and give your name to all their sharky friends. And actually, it really damages the scene. Five years ago when I first came in Germany, there were at least two clubs doing 60 €/1 h and one of them had a great reputation, the Blue Note. Now around FF you have to beg for an average service and I'm pretty sure than most of the 100 € sessions you can get at Sharks or Oase are less good than a 30 € session in Blue Note.
And now the girls complain that they don't have enough costumers. Maybe they should consider doing their job properly.
If you like a girl, you stay longer with her or you go with her more, end of the story. Sometimes, I bring little gifts to the girls but most of the time it's for less than 5 €.
At steverino: the only normal price for me is 50 €/30 minutes. 50 € for CIM and 50 € for lesbo action seems acceptable to me in Hesse, so for me 400 € for this kind of session would we the normal price.
Don't forget that, by paying each one of them 200 €/ hour, you pay them twice the normal rate. And since they were two in the room, they probably had to work less than if only one was here with you. Don't compare to USA, it's not the USA. The scene is the best in Germany, let's keep it that way.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2101759]No you don't. All the girls will think you're weak and that they can extract more money from you by working less. Being a wimp and saying "yes" to every requests doesn't attract the good providers, it attracts the sharks like a bloody carcass. The girls won't respect you more, they'll think you're a pussy and they will probably make fun of you and give your name to all their sharky friends. And actually, it really damages the scene.[/QUOTE]When I first started on the scene there were basically only 2 standard extras; CIM (maybe CIF) and anal, plus some off menu items; NS or whatever. But now in some clubs it's like every individual thing is an extra. It's like flying on fucking Ryanair. What has caused this? Punters (usually tourists) who don't follow the standard payment system. There is a very noticeable, strong negative correlation between the amount of tourists in a club and and it's service levels.
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Girls know if you are a pushover with money. Next discussion. LOL.
The general pricing depends on cheap charlies and not in a club is right Aki. It just raises the expectations of services per pricing. Why does Fra threads turn into spending, money, economies of how girls make money, etc..?
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Exactly!
[QUOTE=CitizenKane;2101782]When I first started on the scene there were basically only 2 standard extras; CIM (maybe CIF) and anal, plus some off menu items; NS or whatever. But now in some clubs it's like every individual thing is an extra. It's like flying on fucking Ryanair. What has caused this? Punters (usually tourists) who don't follow the standard payment system. There is a very noticeable, strong negative correlation between the amount of tourists in a club and and it's service levels.[/QUOTE]There's more than just the two options of being a "Cheap Charlie" or a stupid "Pay More Boar" thinking you'll get better service just because you plunked down more money. How about just following the house rules on what you should pay with the expectation that you will get what you paid for? In other words, value for your money? How about that concept? Pay what you're supposed to pay versus trying to get as much for as little as possible, or thinking you're going to get more and better just because you paid more? How about paying what you're supposed to pay and getting what you're supposed to get for that amount of money? Imagine that? Now is that a novel approach or what? Ryan Air LOL! They suck! Fying with the riff raff just like on EasyJet LOL!
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My jaw drops in disbelief. The whole concept of FKK was predicated on time in exchange for euros, with only certain less usual services like anal costing extra.
As Citizen Kane says the discussion here sounds like FKK is Ryanair, with cheap come on prices and then so many extras that you end up paying more than on a so called premium airline. Everything costs extra: soon it will cost extra to have a full half hour as opposed to 20 minutes. As Mike de Havilland said, may as well go to a cheap laufhaus.
It beggars belief that we should expect to pay twice to come twice in half hour. Of course girls are within their rights to choose customers they prefer, but a service provider who measures everything out in teaspoons is never going to give good service.
The dichotomy set up here is a misconstructed paradigm. The term cheap charlies is being used at different points to mean guys who want to extract every ounce from the girls for minimum payment, and elsewhere to mean guys who expect good service without loads of extras. The first sort, as Akibono means, are going to get a worse service The second sort are ones who are not going to be shark food. Both are being labelled cheap charlies yet are very different.
It is like the girls, some want to extract every cent from a man for no effort, others want to to get a good income by giving good service.
I am one sort of cheap charlie because I believe that going along with the racheting up of extras is exploit ation by girls who will never give good service. On the other hand, I am very happy to give good money to girls who give good service.
Reward top level service by lots of repeat custom, and enjoyable time for the girl. Paying extra for rubbish service just feeds the sharks. Disincentivise rubbish service by refusing ridiculous new extras.
Fortunately there are plenty of girls who do not charge these silly extras, provide great service, are nice people, and are happy to be earning 5000 to 7000 a month as a result
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[QUOTE=Optimist;2101814]My jaw drops in disbelief. The whole concept of FKK was predicated on time in exchange for euros, with only certain less usual services like anal costing extra.
As Citizen Kane says the discussion here sounds like FKK is Ryanair, with cheap come on prices and then so many extras that you end up paying more than on a so called premium airline. Everything costs extra: soon it will cost extra to have a full half hour as opposed to 20 minutes. As Mike de Havilland said, may as well go to a cheap laufhaus.
It beggars belief that we should expect to pay twice to come twice in half hour. Of course girls are within their rights to choose customers they prefer, but a service provider who measures everything out in teaspoons is never going to give good service.[/QUOTE]For me you are forgetting chemistry between people and you just believe it is a money and willing issue, I don't believe. Some girls are not feeling well with some guys even they pay a lot and they just consider them as cash provider but they will not give great service to them but on the other side they will provide great service to other guys even they just pay 50. I know that many mongers always want to put everything in rational schemes like a excel file and others are considering to "purchase" a girl like they buy a new car or a new laptop completely forgetting that humans are far more complex.
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What was once called "Clubstandard" included full 30 min, DFK, BBBJ, DATY and sex in as many positions as you could think of for the standard 30 min run rate at the club, usually 50€. Common extras were CIM and anal for 50€/100€ in most clubs, 25€/50€ in NRW. Kissing, COB, digits were NOT an extra.
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"Clubstandard" is still the standard at Berndt's.
[QUOTE=RogueNation;2101823]What was once called "Clubstandard" included full 30 min, DFK, BBBJ, DATY and sex in as many positions as you could think of for the standard 30 min run rate at the club, usually 50. Common extras were CIM and anal for 50/100 in most clubs, 25/50 in NRW. Kissing, COB, digits were NOT an extra.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Akibono;2101539]You are correct. Being a cheap charlie is never worth it. You got superior service by paying a little more. If a girl goes the extra mile, I have no problem paying her. It establishes a good relationship with her and her friends. Those who complain about the service usually are cheap. That is why some girls will reject a punter to give you a session.[/QUOTE]I accept that this is the only mentality that allows you to have a good time at a club like Oase. Every time I go to Oase I change my mindset to 100 Euro guy and I always have good times there. However, I think this mentality should be contained like a cancer. Oase upselling is a battle not worth fighting, it's the culture there now. But like many other guys here have said, there are plenty of girls (at other clubs) who give great service at standard rates, BBBJ, DATY, FK. Guys who expect that standard service universally are only expecting a standard, reliable price structure. That's not being cheap, that's just responsible spending.
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[QUOTE=Takedown;2101904]I accept that this is the only mentality that allows you to have a good time at a club like Oase. Every time I go to Oase I change my mindset to 100 Euro guy and I always have good times there. However, I think this mentality should be contained like a cancer. Oase upselling is a battle not worth fighting, it's the culture there now. But like many other guys here have said, there are plenty of girls (at other clubs) who give great service at standard rates, BBBJ, DATY, FK. Guys who expect that standard service universally are only expecting a standard, reliable price structure. That's not being cheap, that's just responsible spending.[/QUOTE]I have been in the club scene long enough to see standards decline. Sure you can get the ABC menu, what you cannot get in a certain level of authenticity and passion. Most girls do not provide this since it is to personal. But you are more likely to get a little more if you pay more. The laws of economics always applies. Payment does not have to be in money only. Looks, charm, guile, respect are also forms of payment. The players understand this; the cheap folks do not. You are dealing with a person and not a doll. There are always those who say you don't have to tip a concierge or a waiter. Those who know how to tip quietly laugh. They know better. If you look carefully in a club, you will see some girls go and greet a guy the minute he arrives. Ever wonder why and what he gets out of it?
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[QUOTE=Takedown;2101904]I accept that this is the only mentality that allows you to have a good time at a club like Oase. Every time I go to Oase I change my mindset to 100 Euro guy and I always have good times there. However, I think this mentality should be contained like a cancer. Oase upselling is a battle not worth fighting, it's the culture there now. But like many other guys here have said, there are plenty of girls (at other clubs) who give great service at standard rates, BBBJ, DATY, FK. Guys who expect that standard service universally are only expecting a standard, reliable price structure. That's not being cheap, that's just responsible spending.[/QUOTE]There are plenty of guys happy with the 50 E service. The guys with game are not going to lower the level of their play to give the cheap folks a fair chance--especially if the girl is really hot and popular. I see a lot of guy complaining about a big spender taking a girl for the night or cock blocking for hours. They have no reason to stop so other can get a fair shot. Such is life. It is competitive. There are no refs. And no one has to play by your rules. I rarely go to Oase but the same rules applies to most clubs. If you want to pay less, go on the days where there is less demand or pick the more plain girls. Top shelf liquor always costs. One of the reasons I do not go to Switzerland is because there are many men who can outgun me. One Sharks girl told me a punter there gave her a very nice car. You think that girl will be interested in a 50 E guy? HB (who does not post here any more) has the right attitude. He knows that the better girls are at the FKKs because of the big spenders. If they went away, the quality of the girls will decline. He does not get into a bidding war, but he has got game. Responsible spending sounds good, until the girl you want goes with another guy. Peace.
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[QUOTE=RogueNation;2101823]What was once called "Clubstandard" included full 30 min, DFK, BBBJ, DATY and sex in as many positions as you could think of for the standard 30 min run rate at the club, usually 50. Common extras were CIM and anal for 50/100 in most clubs, 25/50 in NRW. Kissing, COB, digits were NOT an extra.[/QUOTE]If you go far enough back, club standard included some pre and post zimmer time. You will not find that anywhere today. Standards change with time. Prices have not changed in over 10 years. So, the standards have changed as well as the type of girl that shows up in the clubs.
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What's the better Tuesday club? Sharks or oase? Same question about Thursday.
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[QUOTE=Breadman;2102229]What's the better Tuesday club? Sharks or oase? Same question about Thursday.[/QUOTE]It varies from week to week. On non-popular days (Friday / Saturday), lineups can be very unpredictable. Plus, you can be there an not even notice the best girls because you are basing your selection on a certain look. Often the best girls are not the most attractive. The attractive girls tend to give below average service because they can survive on their looks along. In any club, a lineup will be considered good or bad based on a few desired girls. Those girls do not show up on a regular schedule.
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[QUOTE=Akibono;2101945]HB (who does not post here any more) ....[/QUOTE]He tried to make a comeback last week I think. See below, dated 25th October 2017, in the Sharks thread.
[QUOTE=HessenBub;2098161]Laura / Livia usually told me if there was a day when she could not take a good sized dick and she'd wander off to hunt for Asians. In all the sessions I had with her at Oase there were never any restrictions or pain on her side. She is out of business for the moment, don't know if she will return.[/QUOTE]