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[QUOTE=PayForIt;2200868]If 100/30 becomes the norm, [/QUOTE]If a man is paying 100 for 30 minutes at Oase, then that is the man's fault for being an idiot (assuming no CIM or anal).
It's extremely easy to avoid paying 100 for 30 minutes at Oase. If anyone were ever to ask me for this (and no girls have), then I would just laugh at them.
As you mentioned PayForIt, you like long rooms (as is usually my case). I assure you that most girls at Oase (including many top girls, though admittedly not all) are quite happy to do long rooms with good service for standard rate. In fact, they much prefer long rooms over doing one fifty room after another.
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[QUOTE=UltraHappy;2200889]If a man is paying 100 for 30 minutes at Oase, then that is the man's fault for being an idiot (assuming no CIM or anal).
It's extremely easy to avoid paying 100 for 30 minutes at Oase. If anyone were ever to ask me for this (and no girls have), then I would just laugh at them.
As you mentioned PayForIt, you like long rooms (as is usually my case). I assure you that most girls at Oase (including many top girls, though admittedly not all) are quite happy to do long rooms with good service for standard rate. In fact, they much prefer long rooms over doing one fifty room after another.[/QUOTE]From my own very recent experience at Oase, dating during late June. Very first days of July (I flew away on the the 4th of July, thus avoiding by a thin margin Sharks' Razzia), I cannot agree more with what UH says. I had many 100/60 mins sessions with multiple girls (some girls I've known and sessioned with for 1-2+ years, others brand new try outs) and I always got decent service including BBBJ for as long as I wanted (some did non-stop OWO for 25-30 minutes and sex in any position (s) I wanted without any hassle. Some girls (more of the regulars DFK'd freely), others not or without passion (more of the newer girls). And I met a few girls who tried to upsell during the session, but several of these were NOT Oase regular girls, but new girls "on a trial of Oase" from other clubs like Paradise in Stutgartt. I quickly talked them down by establishing that I was an Oase regular and this kind of BS is not tolerated. Then they backed down immediatlely.
UH is right: Anybody who agrees to pay 100/30 mins, whether in the room or not, is complete idiot. It's all about how you play this game, project yourself as the experienced buyer, who has an infinite choice of other girls, and you will get what you want.
It should be known, also previously stated by UH, that Oase is a challenging club for good services for 50 E /30 mins sessions. It can happen but you need to be either lucky or known / regular.
Having said all that: I generally spent more time at Sharks, despite the issues with hotter rooms (although most days after sun went down the rooms were approaching tolerable), because I generally found better service on average with new girls at Sharks vs Oase. Of course at Oase if you stick with girls you've been with in the past and are established Regular customer, you get all you want for 100/60 minutes.
BBBJ widely available at Oase (and Sharks) without any hassle.
Plus: the LUs are vast at both Oase and Sharks, and (this is important, at least for me): The LUs at both clubs are ever changing and quite fluid both up and down (sometimes depending on certain days) with lots of different girsl from different places/histories/backgrounds coming through these clubs , that sometimes you can get lucky and snag a real gem, but that depends on luck, perception/observation and sometimes going with the flow and not being "a Cheap Charlie." That's the way I see the lay of the land now.
Btw: a real joy to be at these clubs during WC football games: Lots of girls available normally, but with some exceptions.
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[QUOTE=Ortos;2200942]From my own very recent experience at Oase, dating during late June, you get all you want for 100/60 minutes.
[/QUOTE]After reading your post Ortos, I feel like you could have been ghost-writing for me. It sounds like we are of one mind on these points.
The only point we differ on is that for me, being relatively unknown at Sharks (except for the former Oase girls and their close friends), I have a higher probability of accidentally stepping on a land-mine over there. But that is part of the game, going through the line-up and figuring out who to avoid. Of course, the act of going through the line-up so-to-speak quickly establishes one's reputation in a club and reduces the number of land-mines in any case. The only part of Sharks that I really miss is the Asian food counter. I love that shit!
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[QUOTE=UltraHappy;2200949]Ortos has exceeded their stored private messages quota and cannot accept further messages until they clear some space.[/QUOTE]OOOOOOOOOOOOOps.
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[QUOTE=Havanite;2200605]Around 6:30 while taking cover from the heat outside two young ladies from Moldova approached me trying to tempt me with a threesome, once it was clear I was not interested one of them cleared off, I went to room with her remaining friend Tanya, who as soon as in the room expressed her disdain at my action of checking the time on my watch, bad omen right there. [/QUOTE]I have had this exact same experience with Moldovan girls. I was in one of the other clubs in Frankfurt a while back (Sharks, I think) and my new Moldovan friend got super offended that I looked at my watch. I wonder if it was the same girl.
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[QUOTE=Havanite;2200871]Payforit,
I was explicitly denied a request for an hour room, it's too long to be in a room she told me, we only need a half am hour to do what we need, any more is boring, just proving she doesn't know how to make conversation and driving home the importance of chatting to the girls as much as possible beforehand. I genuinely don't think she realised that men are after some relaxation and alone time with a woman, it's not all about the beast with two backs (well mostly, but not all). So we can add ignorance into the mix as well as greed.[/QUOTE]How odd! Girls wanting 30 minutes instead of longer sessions equates to earning less money unless she is a stunner who is occupied all day and night! Also, most girls like long rooms because they know for a certainty that guys are not going to be able to withstand constant BJ and / or fucking for very long. So long rooms give their pussies some rest whereas constant 30 min rooms means a lot of hammering. So really odd. I'm afraid if I was refused a one hour room by anyone they'the be getting 50/30 or a quick "thanks but no thanks" and I'the be tempted to add "I'm looking for a girl who wants to make a lot of money for a fantastic time. Not a quick fuck and suck".
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[QUOTE=PayForIt;2201029]How odd! Girls wanting 30 minutes instead of longer sessions equates to earning less money unless she is a stunner who is occupied all day and night! Also, most girls like long rooms because they know for a certainty that guys are not going to be able to withstand constant BJ and / or fucking for very long. So long rooms give their pussies some rest whereas constant 30 min rooms means a lot of hammering. So really odd. I'm afraid if I was refused a one hour room by anyone they'the be getting 50/30 or a quick "thanks but no thanks" and I'the be tempted to add "I'm looking for a girl who wants to make a lot of money for a fantastic time. Not a quick fuck and suck".[/QUOTE]I'm a 20-minute, 50-euro man, and I have felt relatively welcome at FKKs, with 100% of the sessioned girls willing to repeat. When there has been no repeat it has been on my account. Of late I've tipped my regulars 10 or 20 euros though, de facto aknowledgeing a price increase.
Note that while hammering is taking place a girl can stay passive. What tires girls out I think is endless sucking. Hammering with proper lubrication may be little different to her than sucking her thumb.
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I think you do encounter a fair number of girls in Oase who are at least indifferent between a 50 e30 m and 100 e60 m, if not outright preferring the former. I am no Oase expert, but in my limited sampling, it felt this way. Now, if you are a Oase King like UH, you most likely will not even encounter such ladies. But for a tourist like me this might not be uncommon. Why would a girl prefer 50 e30 m? Because if she chooses judiciously (Asians), she could process them in 10 M? She might not want to kiss, provide BBBJ or DATY, all of which could be expected in 100 e60 M, and it is also possible that a 60 M customer who likes to kiss and do DATY etc might drag it out all the way to 58th min.
A lot of this depends on the individual girl's own business model, preferences, and her confidence in being to conclude 30 M sessions pretty fast. If every single one of her 30 M sessions lasted upto the 29th min, she might over time change her model to 100 e60 m, but if she is successful in concluding 30 m sessions by 15th min most of the time, she could feel differently.
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Your arguments makes sense Jnpr, and it seems like there are a few girls like that in other clubs. But at Oase I still haven't met a single one who prefers 30 minutes only.
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[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2201054]I think you do encounter a fair number of girls in Oase who are at least indifferent between a 50 e30 m and 100 e60 m, if not outright preferring the former. I am no Oase expert, but in my limited sampling, it felt this way. Now, if you are a Oase King like UH, you most likely will not even encounter such ladies. But for a tourist like me this might not be uncommon. Why would a girl prefer 50 e30 m? Because if she chooses judiciously (Asians), she could process them in 10 M? She might not want to kiss, provide BBBJ or DATY, all of which could be expected in 100 e60 M, and it is also possible that a 60 M customer who likes to kiss and do DATY etc might drag it out all the way to 58th min.
A lot of this depends on the individual girl's own business model, preferences, and her confidence in being to conclude 30 M sessions pretty fast. If every single one of her 30 M sessions lasted upto the 29th min, she might over time change her model to 100 e60 m, but if she is successful in concluding 30 m sessions by 15th min most of the time, she could feel differently.[/QUOTE]The smart girl is always looking for the 200-400 E session with the wealthy gentleman. I have seen girls fight over a guy.
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[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2201054]....A lot of this depends on the individual girl's own business model, preferences, and her confidence in being to conclude 30 M sessions pretty fast. If every single one of her 30 M sessions lasted upto the 29th min, she might over time change her model to 100 e60 m, but if she is successful in concluding 30 m sessions by 15th min most of the time, she could feel differently.[/QUOTE]This sums up the time dynamics pretty well. Speaking for myself I like a girl to feel confident she can process me in 15 minutes. It gives her an incentive to be good and go for the kill. It's a win win situation. It works for me as I am not into things that are time-dependent like girl-friend, having a relationship, small talk etc. What I want is consensual reype. If I could get 10-minute sessions for 30 euros at FKKs I'd go for them.
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[QUOTE=XXL;2201033]........................Note that while hammering is taking place a girl can stay passive. What tires girls out I think is endless sucking. Hammering with proper lubrication may be little different to her than sucking her thumb.[/QUOTE]In my case the girls always prefer to BBBJ me than FS. Recently I went with a Romanian for a half hour 50 euro session; Datyd her then BBBJ and after about 10 minutes requested FS and she said "What, so soon?" She wanted to continue BBBJ. Happens most of the time with me.
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Well the girl was getting 50 extra for CIM so her business model is probably to get back out hustling as soon as possible once the 100 eur benchmark has been hit, and no one easier to work this on than a fly in non regular.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2201073]Your arguments makes sense Jnpr, and it seems like there are a few girls like that in other clubs. But at Oase I still haven't met a single one who prefers 30 minutes only.[/QUOTE]I am just a tourist and not a regular like you and UH so I will leave it to you experts. Somehow that's the impression I got. Estephania offered me 30 M with CIM and other goodies included for 100. I countered with 60 M100 e normal goodies no CIM, and she had no interest. And she is a girl I sessioned with multiple times in Sharks and she recognized me in Oase before I spotted her.