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[QUOTE=DerAuslander;1630045]I'm not sure why you are revealing your personal spending habits to all and sundry on this forum. Americans (I presume you are from the US because you price in dollars) are not noted for being big tippers (unlike Japanese, Arabs or Russians). So perhaps the extra money you are donating to the girls might seem like a lot to you, but in reality is really nothing to write home about. Paying the girls 120 or 140 per hour (another 20/40 extra) is not really going to buy you any exceptional service over the normal fee nor will it make you all that more memorable.[/QUOTE]Your statement about Americans aren't known as big tippers is probably the dumbest statement that I've heard in a while. I too don't get to visit the clubs as regularly as some of the members here because I live in the US. So whenever I get a chance to visit these clubs (twice a year), I'm more interested in getting the best services possible. I don't tip the girls nor do I overpay because I know that it will create a trend where every girl will start expecting more. That being said, if a girl goes with me, she usually will get paid at least 100 E. I only do 50 E session if it's really mediocre and I just want to cum and / or get the fuck out of the room. Otherwise my sessions usually last 1-1. 5 hour. I have attended Oase and World enough time for some of the girls to know that I usually would go for at least an hour, and that seems to work for me. Even when trying new girls, my success rate is high, probably not as high as Syzygies, but pretty high nevertheless.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;1630000]I believe this girl annoyed with your behavior. Hookers are salespeople that sell a fantasy. When a girl admits to you "I only do this for the money" she is breaking role, possibly because you were laying it on too thick and you creeped her out. Or she asked you nicely to stop being romantic, but you refused to listen. I am not saying you will end up being a stalker, but if she's been working any length of time, she's had stalkers. They probably all started nice and normal the first meeting. The second meeting they showered her with gifts and showing warning signs of obsession.[/QUOTE]Nothing of that sort had happened! I was meeting her after 6 Months so where is the question of annoying her? That day I was meeting her after 6 Months and we were just with each other for some odd 40 Minutes! As far as gifts is concerned she herself had asked me to bring it whenever I come again is what she had said!
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[QUOTE=Jooeey;1630098]As far as gifts is concerned she herself had asked me to bring it whenever I come again is what she had said!![/QUOTE]I hear you. What you must realise with experience is that these girls regularly will ask for presents. The hint is to bring money.
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[QUOTE=DerAuslander;1630045]So perhaps the extra money you are donating to the girls might seem like a lot to you, but in reality is really nothing to write home about. Paying the girls 120 or 140 per hour (another 20/40 extra) is not really going to buy you any exceptional service over the normal fee nor will it make you all that more memorable.[/QUOTE]I thought we did not know how much Arctic was rewarding girls for a good performance.
I suspect girls can be motivated by how much money the customer is paying, whether it be tips, extras, long sessions. I see plenty of evidence for this. I also hear of girls being dissatisfied with a 50.
I see plenty of times, a girl will have a big smile and make a beeline for a customer, that has been a good source of money for her. Is she going to put in a lacklustre performance on purpose, when she knows a big tip may be possible? I doubt it. She might well try for the bonus.
Don't imagine for a minute that every customer gets the same standard service. There are many factors that affect the service level and money has to be one of them. This does not mean I wish to give girls gratuitous tips. However I have to face facts and reality.
Naturally its better to choose a girl who has the ethic to put in her best service regardless of the final bill, but realistically not every girl is that self motivated. We do try to publish details of highly recommended girls that get glowing reports from most guys, and also mention which girls are restricting the service for a 50, and which girls have quite varied or inconsistent reports in terms of service levels.
I do agree that once girls are getting used to making bigger money, it can be spoiling the service level obtained for another customer who only wants to part with 50. Some girls do not even want any 50 Euro customers. They could feel its a waste of their time and effort.
I believe, being normally a 1 hour 100 Euro customer is providing me some benefits, however I could still be getting less service than the customer who spends big money in a relatively short time, especially with girls who are not my regulars. I also get perhaps better service if a girl is trying to hook me as her regular customer. It would be known I do repeat girls.
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Love or not love
[QUOTE=Jooeey;1629983]Nope, Not at all I am not looking out to fall in love forever and get married to a FKK girl!! Not on my mind![/QUOTE]But why are you constantly over paying this specific girl and bringing her gifts then?
Surely not because of getting one-off super service?
You mentioned even travelling all the way from Asia for this girl and about your emotions and feelings?
It surely sounds like you are heading there buddy.
Most of the time, when I am good to the girls and after few sessions with same girls, they normally ask me if I am married or having girlfriend etc. This is when I say that I've already a girlfriend and I often see that the girls somehow gets more relieved and doesn't keep the distance. I've always assumed this was one of the check point so that they don't categorize you as stalker or something.
I have no illusions and don't believe they would ask you that question to hang around with me privately. As McAdonis mentioned, all FKK girls are there because of the money, not to looking for a lover or so. Even a sugar daddy is about the money.
Having said this there might be exceptions, which I'm not aware of.
KatzeInSack
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Intention of not
[QUOTE=SoloTraveler;1630015]Did she get pregnant deliberately (by doing some tricks) and then keep the child to get more alimony?
What's wrong with these kind of women?
Do they even have any conscience?[/QUOTE]The guy was destroyed for years.
I really don't know if the child part was planned or not but the whole event took around 5-6 years.
Who knows, she just got bored and was pushed the idea from her mother (his ex mother-in-law who never communicated to him since she only spoke Romanian)?
Sorry for bothering you guys with such a sad story.
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Oase Trip Report
Hats off to the guys who had made the trip to Oase in the recent months and reported back on the tremendous improvement in the quality of the line up. I too like others decided to venture back and see what the fuss was about and was impressed with the end result. My last visit there was back in early May and that was a so and so experience. I fucked petite spinner Mickey, Juicy Lucy and red headed Diana during that visit.
My latest pilgrimage was on a Thursday during the Automechanika Messe week in mid-September. The quality of the girls that I fucked during that visit was a lot better.
From scoping out the scene, I have to admit the the line-up had the edge over Globe during the same period and way above GT Vienna. I was in Globe and GT Vienna the previous week. At Globe, there were 3 to 4 girls that I would readily fuck and only 2 at GT Vienna. At Oase, there were at least half a dozen girls there I would consider. Memory of their faces are a blur now but the names stuck and can be checked off from Syzygies list. Namely Ella, Chantal, Elizabeth (Hungary), Angie, Christina, Ramona/Sabina, etc.
Of those half a dozen or so girls, I short listed that down to 3 that I had to do on my 'Must Do' list for the night and ended up making out with two of them. The third eluded me which I hope I can rectify soon.
First of the night was Ellis. She is also known as Alice by some members. What can I say. Slim, catwalk model type with short blond hair from Bucharest. Very attractive facially with lean butt and slender legs. Good 'Gap' and gazelle features. Nice swagger when she walks. Only gripe was that she was flat chested but that did not deter me from seeing her. Great room session and a definite repeat for me. Previously worked at Sharks and I recently heard that she may have returned. I'll be interested to learn from other members of her latest whereabouts.
Next up was Maria. Platinum blond from Constanta. Great tanned body with B cups. Average looking face. Again another great room session.
The third girl I wanted but lucked out on was named something like Malina, Melina, Melanie or Milana. Another platinum blond haired babe and also a great tanned body with B+/ C- tits. Her body, I would rate was actually hotter than that of Maria from above. Nice and tight like a Porn star's body type. She told me she was of Russian heritage but has lived in Germany for over 10 years. Her face reminded me of a certain amateur German gang bang hottie by the name of Julie Skyhigh from Brussels. Initially on our first chit chat, I blew her off as I was still surveying the landscape for possible roomies. Later on in the evening when I was ready for another session, I approached her and she returned the compliment and blew me off. So it seems she has a good memory, a bit of an attitude and selective on who she sees. Nonetheless, I keen to make out with her so if any of you members know of her and what the intel is on her that would be great as I plan to return to Oase later this month to seek her out.
Going back to my May report, I just figured out who the girl was that I mistakenly took for as Didi (Globe)/ Ariana (World). Turned out it was blond Roxanna from Moldova (not the blond white skinned one from Constanta). Facially there are some similarities between the two, however body-wise Roxanna is well built (especially her butt) when compared to Didi who is much slimmer. So apologies goes out to HB on the error.
[QUOTE=Hessen Bub;1568357]Didi is at Oase? Really? Ex-World Ariana?
Have to go there immediately.
HB.[/QUOTE]
As I gear up for another Oase visit, I hope the line up has not declined too much as the latest recent reports has suggested.
Howie
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[QUOTE=KatzeInSack;1630150]... all FKK girls are there because of the money, not to looking for a lover or so. Even a sugar daddy is about the money.
Having said this there might be exceptions, which I'm not aware of.
KatzeInSack[/QUOTE]Some girls are on the look out for a husband in order to bail out before they hit the wall. This happens when they sense their looks are waning. They'd had 20 clients a day and now only 12. Time to bail out before it's too late. Many Germans marry hookers and many hookers in Germany and Switzerland marry one of their clients.
But remember a girl wants to marry so that she will no lose her standard of living. If you want to marry her you'd better be able to afford giving her that guarantee. And why do so - and run a 80% chance of becoming an alimony slave - since you will be marrying a girl who's past her prime and whose looks will be downhill from now on? When she was at the top of her looks she ran the cock carrousel and gave it free to badboys and didn't give you a 2nd look. Now she needs you for a soft landing she finds you interesting. Leave her to take her menopause back to Rumania or wherever, and keep your pension for your retirement in Thailand.
Regarding overpaying, I carry some cash in my bathrobe pocket. I casually put down a 50-euro notes on the bedside table while I undress. It has worked beautifully. One black girl at Oase said jokingly "hey you're very blunt aren't you? you do that to make it clear you only want a standard service". I joked back saying I'm so absentminded I didn't want to forget paying the girl and I preferred to pay in advance. I recommend this practice if you're into 50-euro sessions.
I've visited Oase 4 times of late. The first time was in July of this year so I don't know how it was before that. I've found the line-up to be awsome and I would recommend it as "the best to my knowledge" among the FKKs.
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[QUOTE=Howie;1630178]My latest pilgrimage was on a Thursday during the Automechanika Messe week in mid-September. The quality of the girls that I fucked during that visit was a lot better. ... As I gear up for another Oase visit, I hope the line up has not declined too much as the latest recent reports has suggested. Howie[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report.
Sorry to disappoint you, but IME the annual line-up during the week of Automechanika in September must be considered an exceptional time for Oase - both in pure number of girls and optical quality. I am perfectly happy to be corrected by the vets here, but at what other time of the year will Oase almost every night peak 110- 130 girls in the line-up (also attracting a lot of top girls from other clubs)? Not to my knowledge anyway.
The same would probably also apply for Mainhattan and Palace (Sharks less so, and World not affected by Automechanika at all).
For me at least, I am totally happy with the standard 60- 100 girls in the Oase line-up. I rarely have any problem finding someone to my liking. But to each his own.
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[QUOTE=KatzeInSack;1630150]But why are you constantly over paying this specific girl and bringing her gifts then?[/QUOTE]Absolutely Not!! I have never over paid her in the past. I sessioned with her last in March when I took her for 1 hour on two occassions, both the time I just paid 100 Euros. :rolleyes:
It is only this time that this amount that she demanded from me, does not make sense to me, Kissing on the couch, One pop in the room and there you go please pay 200 Euros. :confused: I am like whaaaat???
[QUOTE=KatzeInSack;1630150]You mentioned even travelling all the way from Asia for this girl and about your emotions and feelings?
It surely sounds like you are heading there buddy.[/QUOTE]I still say she is exactly the kind of girl, I have always wanted to meet. Date. Love. Marry. Get settle down. And whatever else that includes in it.
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[QUOTE=NewPlayer;1630072]I don't tip the girls nor do I overpay because I know that it will create a trend where every girl will start expecting more. That being said, if a girl goes with me, she usually will get paid at least 100 E. I only do 50 E session if it's really mediocre and I just want to cum and / or get the fuck out of the room. Otherwise my sessions usually last 1-1. 5 hour. [/QUOTE]You do well and behave in a sensible manner.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1630148]I thought we did not know how much Arctic was rewarding girls for a good performance.[/QUOTE]I am led to believe that Arctic perceives that by paying extra money (most probably in reality a mediocre amount of money), he will get better service. Of course most of us know that this is not necessarily the case.
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[QUOTE=Shark16;1630343]Thanks for the report.
Sorry to disappoint you, but IME the annual line-up during the week of Automechanika in September must be considered an exceptional time for Oase - both in pure number of girls and optical quality. I am perfectly happy to be corrected by the vets here, but at what other time of the year will Oase almost every night peak 110- 130 girls in the line-up (also attracting a lot of top girls from other clubs)? Not to my knowledge anyway.
The same would probably also apply for Mainhattan and Palace (Sharks less so, and World not affected by Automechanika at all).
For me at least, I am totally happy with the standard 60- 100 girls in the Oase line-up. I rarely have any problem finding someone to my liking. But to each his own.[/QUOTE]Its not clear what your point is here. Don't understand how you are disappointing Howie.
Although the total number of girls peaked for Automechanika week, I don't see that the standard was any better. A relatively small number of girls showed up there just for the Automechanika that were not there any other week (that I could see). Bella, Helli, Mickey, Selina, Rihanna, Shelley, and maybe a very small number of others. None of these were so specially stunning, that I had to do them. Pussy Licker reckons Mickey was pretty good. Ellis/Alice did return to Sharks before going on holidays, but was in Oase for nearly 3 weeks I would guess. None of Howie's girls were exclusive to the Automechanika, or maybe just one (which I can't determine yet as I don't believe I met her on my days attended).
I would have no problem saying the line up was just as good for me, the week before the Automechanika. Some excellent girls were missing for Automechanika, which was already listed.
There is little doubt the line up has become significantly better in recent months. Its better than a year ago easily, for looks. Howie's taste is quite similar to mine, of course, without being exactly the same. My FKK buddy Casanova who tries all the major FKKs regularly and has very much the same taste as me, agrees that Oase has the best large line up (for looks) and most girls with superior looks.
Sharks also has an adequate supply of girls I want to fuck right now, but fewer very pretty faces than Oase, and also fewer really slim hot bodies (if you like that sort of girl), IMHO. Fewer girls in total. World may well be okay For me on best days if it turns out I like the new girls there. My favourites there have dwindled, some moving away.
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Wow, seriously that almost sounded poetic. You definitely have a gift of the gab. LOL.
[QUOTE=XXL;1630320]But remember a girl wants to marry so that she will no lose her standard of living. If you want to marry her you'd better be able to afford giving her that guarantee. And why do so - and run a 80% chance of becoming an alimony slave - since you will be marrying a girl who's past her prime and whose looks will be downhill from now on? When she was at the top of her looks she ran the cock carrousel and gave it free to badboys and didn't give you a 2nd look. Now she needs you for a soft landing she finds you interesting. Leave her to take her menopause back to Rumania or wherever, and keep your pension for your retirement .[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Jooeey;1630098]Nothing of that sort had happened! I was meeting her after 6 Months so where is the question of annoying her?? That day I was meeting her after 6 Months and we were just with each other for some odd 40 Minutes! As far as gifts is concerned she herself had asked me to bring it whenever I come again is what she had said!![/QUOTE]Maybe she didn't explicitly ask you to "stop being romantic". But if you treated her romantically, I think it is unlikely that she would just blurt out "I only do this for the money" early during the meeting. If her social intelligence / intuition was that low, she'd fail miserably as a hooker.
She told you "I only do this for the money" much later during your second (and most recent) meeting. At the beginning of your second meeting, she was smiley and sweet, yes? Then you started being more romantic, telling her stuff like "you are the type of girl that I want to marry". She smiled and humored you at first. You then escalated with your prince charming routine. At that point, she may have rolled her eyes. Or she may have just stared at you like you were crazy. Or she may have deliberately created an awkward silence and broke eye contact. She tried to be nice. She tried to maintain "customer friendly". She tried to use her body language to explain. You continued trying to be prince charming, not taking the hint. Then she felt forced to say to your face "I only do it for the money".
You told your hooker that you spent all your money on her thinking that she would be impressed. That is fine but don't follow her around the rest of the night, wasting her time as she is trying to catch paying customers. That is just asking for it. Because she will get impatient very quickly and say things like "Go fuck another girl" or "I don't fuck for 50 EUR". At this point, you are bothering her. Normal polite people (who are not on medication) only say such ugly things after they've become annoyed. Take for instancethe small child that asks his mom for a toy: At first the mom reacts nicely with "maybe for Christmas". The kid keeps pestering. Mom keeps saying "No". Finally mom gets upset and snaps!!
Go to a casino. Start gambling with your life savings. Whilst you are gambling, the casino will give you free things and treat you like a VIP. After you lose all your money, you can go back into the casino. But don't expect the same treatment. You can tell them you lost everything. But don't expect sympathy.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;1630487]She told you "I only do this for the money" much later during your second (and most recent) meeting. At the beginning of your second meeting, she was smiley and sweet, yes? Then you started being more romantic, telling her stuff like "you are the type of girl that I want to marry". She smiled and humored you at first. You then escalated with your prince charming routine. At that point, she may have rolled her eyes. Or she may have just stared at you like you were crazy. Or she may have deliberately created an awkward silence and broke eye contact. She tried to be nice. She tried to maintain "customer friendly". She tried to use her body language to explain. You continued trying to be prince charming, not taking the hint. Then she felt forced to say to your face "I only do it for the money".[/QUOTE]LOL! I like your analogy and anecdotes that you use. But again nothing of that sort had happened, at least the way you describe it!