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[QUOTE=Dutedrac;1818103]Did her more than once back then, god she looked hot, plenty of DFK and even in 30 min sessions, too bad she was too profi anyway. But it was her really early days in Gt and in the job. Dates? My guess would be around 2010, +/- 1 year.
Rate 50+25+25, I NEVER paid more in Gt until the stupid official price increase.[/QUOTE]I fucked her first in June 2010. She was the only girl I ever sessioned with in GT not complying with the 50+25 rule.
HB.
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[QUOTE=HessenBub;1818351]I fucked her first in June 2010. She was the only girl I ever sessioned with in GT not complying with the 50+25 rule.
HB.[/QUOTE]Than maybe you told her you like Palace and she was trying to make you feel at home? LOL.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;1818080]If you believe what is written on Youppie. Joanna. NL at GT is a star on Youppie, did you see her body? Face and smile are OK. Did you experience her kisses? My school girlfriends when I was 5, kissed better than her. Did you experience her BJ? She is a ridiculous woman for this, even she is about 26/28, but no skill at all, I thought I was the first man she sucked.
When I look at Shayenn / Michele, she is prettier, she is friendly, I m sure can get quite good behavior from her, even not new in the business.[/QUOTE]There's like 3 guys think she's GFE, DFK, whatever. Take it for what it is. Dutch guys think her as a fine Dutch lady.
There no way to be certain what actually goes on it the room, we can only take it by what is written (can't witness it). If so many guys saying she is GFE, and think highly of her, perhaps she is consistently good. Maybe, you had bad luck, who knows. There doesn't seem to be a bad report about her, so it seems you may have gotten unlucky, bad timing, bad weather that day, she was cranky, whatnot, they like baby kisses or they are lying(Haha). We have good luck with some, and others not. If there is enough reports, a pattern can be eluded from it, like service change over time. I have been with girls that was good at one time, and would get string of bad reports. Or have had a session with a girl in-between all bad reports, she provided good service, and contradicts the reports. People call it chemistry, connection, moody, or whatever. Shit happens. I don't expect girls to be swayed by so many Casanovas in clubs, so bad luck. LOL.
Cheyenne is friendly, and there are many friendly girls in the clubs. Doesn't guarantee the service will be up to par to all people. Not wholly certain what to expect what will happen in the room. I've had a girl with worst attitude, DFK passionately as soon as we landed in the bed. I've had a really friendly girl I talked for a long time, thought there was a connection, she wouldn't kiss. Haha.
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[QUOTE=Dutedrac;1818390]Than maybe you told her you like Palace and she was trying to make you feel at home? LOL.[/QUOTE]Then she should have quoted 200/ h and 50 extra for kissing.
HB.
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[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;1818555]There no way to be certain what actually goes on it the room, we can only take it by what is written (can't witness it). If so many guys saying she is GFE, and think highly of her, perhaps she is consistently good. Maybe, you had bad luck, who knows. There doesn't seem to be a bad report about her, so it seems you may have gotten unlucky, bad timing, bad weather that day, she was cranky, whatnot, they like baby kisses or they are lying(Haha). We have good luck with some, and others not. If there is enough reports, a pattern can be eluded from it, like service change over time. I have been with girls that was good at one time, and would get string of bad reports. Or have had a session with a girl in-between all bad reports, she provided good service, and contradicts the reports. People call it chemistry, connection, moody, or whatever. Shit happens. I don't expect girls to be swayed by so many Casanovas in clubs, so bad luck. LOL.[/QUOTE]Agree with you, PL. Another part of it is also how the customer interact with the girl, some of the punters are hard, some soft. Same like the girls, some like it soft, some hard. If you are hard and the girl liek soft, then session won't be very good, because not good connection, right?
BB, is this the same pixie-cute Daria you wrote, about 1 year ago, was a pity for you because you said she had left LR, and I wrote back that she was still there until Christmas? If it is, she was quite nice to me. Very good English, a bit moody before room, honest, told me up front no DFK, and no problem for that for me. In room, she said she liked soft, I was super soft to her, and she melted and mewed (like cat), so it was good session. She treated me well.
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Shayenn / Michele was Darla at LR until February, then went to Oase. Would be surprised, if treated like a woman, she doesn't provide at least friendly services.
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[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;1818555]There's like 3 guys think she's GFE, DFK, whatever. Take it for what it is. Dutch guys think her as a fine Dutch lady. :)
There no way to be certain what actually goes on it the room, we can only take it by what is written (can't witness it). If so many guys saying she is GFE, and think highly of her, perhaps she is consistently good. Maybe, you had bad luck, who knows. There doesn't seem to be a bad report about her, so it seems you may have gotten unlucky, bad timing, bad weather that day, she was cranky, whatnot, they like baby kisses or they are lying(Haha). We have good luck with some, and others not. If there is enough reports, a pattern can be eluded from it, like service change over time. I have been with girls that was good at one time, and would get string of bad reports. Or have had a session with a girl in-between all bad reports, she provided good service, and contradicts the reports. People call it chemistry, connection, moody, or whatever. Shit happens. I don't expect girls to be swayed by so many Casanovas in clubs, so bad luck. LOL.
Cheyenne is friendly, and there are many friendly girls in the clubs. Doesn't guarantee the service will be up to par to all people. Not wholly certain what to expect what will happen in the room. I've had a girl with worst attitude, DFK passionately as soon as we landed in the bed. I've had a really friendly girl I talked for a long time, thought there was a connection, she wouldn't kiss. Haha.[/QUOTE]So you should try Joana next time instead of believing all what is written, if You know men who wrote. We don t have all same meaning for DFK, not only opening mouth for me, same for good BBBJ. I never wrote she is not friendly, she even had a beautiful smile all along and she enjoyed DATY, it s her best point, but not enough to dream with her in a room, and we were in a good room.
For Shayenn / Michele, being friendly is a good start when we are attracted, then just have to do the job to get her best.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;1819115]So you should try Joana next time instead of believing all what is written, if You know men who wrote. We don t have all same meaning for DFK, not only opening mouth for me, same for good BBBJ. I never wrote she is not friendly, she even had a beautiful smile all along and she enjoyed DATY, it s her best point, but not enough to dream with her in a room, and we were in a good room.
For Shayenn / Michele, being friendly is a good start when we are attracted, then just have to do the job to get her best.[/QUOTE]Joana. NL enjoyed much more than DATY with me, her BJ skills are not technically outstanding but being not a full pro she is able to provide something that friendly Carla / Cheyenne (full pro) has probably never offered, which is genuine ymmv involvement in the sex if the feeling is right.
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[QUOTE=Dutedrac;1819225]Joana. NL enjoyed much more than DATY with me, her BJ skills are not technically outstanding but being not a full pro she is able to provide something that friendly Carla / Cheyenne (full pro) has probably never offered, which is genuine ymmv involvement in the sex if the feeling is right.[/QUOTE]Don't make me laugh with your feeling, do you want I tell you about her private life? Or clients she doesn't like? Reason why she doesn't work on Saturday, but I felt like I was first man in her life, no skill at all and she is not 18 anymore and not so new at GT. Never tried but Shayenn can't be less skillful. I met many under 20 yo, Romanian girls, much more skillful than GT star who is also sensitive being fucked, after DATY, but limited for size.
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For someone 'not having delivered genuine ymmv', she surely has gathered lots of attention at the forum. Or perhaps there is more to ymmv than meets the eye?
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[QUOTE=Pistons;1819288]For someone 'not having delivered genuine ymmv', she surely has gathered lots of attention at the forum. Or perhaps there is more to ymmv than meets the eye?[/QUOTE]She's cute and extremely personable, at least back at GT in 2012. I took some razzing for dubbing Carla/Daria as "cutest girl ever". She was my buddy at GT, goofy and fun the way I like them.
I don't recall any great mileage with her.
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It is interresting how you all talk about blowjob skills, but have you ever wonderred if guys feel the blowjobs differently the same way a girl feels the DATY differently? Some prefers one technique, others prefer another one. Some girls play with the shaft, some play with the lower front of the head, others suck it without removing the skin (yeah, that is kinda LOL), some girls uses the other hand as well doing all sorts of things like stroking, playing with their tits etc etc, while others suck the balls. Guys prefer different things, and report based on the idea that all guys have the same kinks and impressions of a great BJ. Ball licking does nothing to me for example. They might as well lick a toe.
So what makes a BJ great or proish/amateurish for everyone would you say? Is it the eye contact? The slow / fast pace based on mutual instinct? Deep throat skills? Use of or lack of the use of hands? Guys, there is an ocean of different blowjob techniques out there, don't just report by saying their BJ's were 'pro', 'great', 'amateurish' etc.
[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;1817854]Pistons, let us know where your part of the stats lie. VC hit the DFK central at one point.[/QUOTE]
Lots of kissing, but no dfk. Personally it is not a biggie for me with the dfk. With some of the russian girls (Tatiana and a few girls at other clubs) the dfking gives me breathing problems, lol. So I've come to realise oxygen is just as important during sex...
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I'm a BBBJ connoisseur. You know, like the wine connoisseurs. Haha. Quality BBBJ goes a long way, although kissing is higher on the echelon for me.
Bad: Teeth and hands. Yes, girls scrapping my skin is a pain!
I like eye contact, and lots of play like a lollipop or icecream, but soft still. I sometimes tell the girl how I like it, if she does it a way I find kinda bland. Some girls switches it up quite well that matches how I like it. There are those has the skills, and can do it quite well, if lead to it.
What amazes me with some girls that does the BBBJ well, and I will ask, how did you learn to do that? She will say,"nowhere, this is how I do it." Blows my mind. Some girls I guess naturally do it in a erotic way. A girl told me she watch porn to learn. Haha. I've had so many BBBJs now that it's not going to get that much more exciting. Just some differences in how different girls do it.
You know clubs have mirrors, especially Oase. Have you noticed how they look on the mirror while blowing you at times? Haha.
I find pro'ish BBBJ the best kind. That just means she is professional at it. Haha. So therefore, she is experienced enough to be skilled.
Even if she blows me just plainly without play, it can be super good feeling. I dunno what it is, but if she does it with enough pressure (light or not too much, of course no teeth), it can get me to finish in her mouth. Some do it quite well(I dunno if it's purposeful from her knowledge). I think BBBJ skills takes experience running into enough punters that requests it in different ways, and she will get an idea after awhile(or some are just naturally gifted. Haha). Fresh girls will likely not be that skilled. You really can sense the inexperience with the girl with her BBBJ skills.
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[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;1819530]A girl told me she watch porn to learn.[/QUOTE]Porn is not a good teacher since it teaches to roll out the lips while a good blow-job is with lips rolled in (so as to avoid contact with teeths). Porn is for visual effect only.
Sexual behavior is inborn. Through History girls never learnt to moan. Even (especially?) in times where pornography was not available, girls of a certain age (an earlier age in those days) moaned & sucked & humped from day one if they were any good in bed. If not, they never learnt. This follows from old porn writings. They make interesting reading in that respect. Brantomes' "The Lives of the Gallant Ladies" is an extraordinary document (16th century).
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;1819243] Don't make me laugh [/QUOTE]Why not? You are one of my favorite forum fun provider, time to give something back.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;1819243] Do you want I tell you about her private life? Or clients she doesn't like? [/QUOTE]Probably you are one of them, cigar smelling Quasimodo, since as you say she was not motivated in giving you a good time, unlike with me (and with a few GT regulars I know personally).
Private life I don't give a sheet and has nothing to do with this.
After years of mongering almost every day it looks like you still have a lot to learn about (working) women behavior and skills, which are not same for everyone.
To the BBJ / DATY skill issue, it is not really so that hard to tell: technique (slow, fast, hard soft, wet, etc) can be adjusted, but good skills is mainly consequence of how much you care that the man / woman is enjoying what you are performing.
Carla / Cheyenne is very skilled at her BBJ because she has work ethics and takes pride at what she is doing (and she can make some man cum faster), but no passion in her sex (with me).
Joana (who works in GT and not in Oase, let's remind it) is not so skilled, probably because she does not have hard core pro mentality, but it does not mean she can not be passionate and enjoy sex (with me).