FKK Oase - Burgholzhausen

Dedalus,

Agnes is at the moment one of the Top-Acts at Oase. I did not session to her up till now, but my friends are very satisfied about her (DATY, DFK, CIM).

Hey, great to hear that Oase, for some of us a prized favourite club, is bak on the rise. When I was there last, exactly one month ago, the place was a bit slow and the line-up was not competitive, at least during that week, with Palace or even World. Judith was there then, but Madeline was not. I don't remember seeing anybody matching Sonja's description. She is alternatively referred to as either Slovakian or Czech. Which is it?

Re Veronika: I know those wet DFKs of Veronika quite well. I admit it has been about a year or more since I last sessioned with her. And, to be honest, her looks have gone slightly downhill as her waistline has gone uphill... Now I know you, Dedalus, have had a few sessions with this Latvian in the past. How is it that she held back those DFKs from you a former Regular? Did you ask her about it? Just curios.

Well thanks again for the update.

Ortos

[QUOTE=Dedalus]It ain't cheap. That I can tell you. Looking hard at a diesel or Auto-gas car as my next vehicle.

Of course I did (Just as reported.) What can I say? Some times I can be quite charming. Plus, my oral hygiene is impeccable!

But again, I have no problem believing what others have told me with regards to Sonja. I think that we just happen to click. Plus, I speak German and I think that being able to communicate with her in a language that she is comfortable with (her English is substandard) is a huge help.

This really is one of those times when the gal's looks might indeed make up for any performance shortcomings. But I really do get Top-Act service from her.

Cheers,

Dedalus[/QUOTE]Well, do you think speaking German benefits you in getting this fully inclusive Top-Act service not only because there is better mutual communication, but also from another angle: Namely, that if you speak good German an FKK girl will consider you a local, thus she sees you as good Stammgast material? Also, quite possibly she saw you at Oase with other girls (possibly friends of hers) during your earlier visits that week. Perhaps a few of the others commented that you were such a good guest and she knows that if she holds back from you she will loose a "good guest" forever.

Just wondering.

Ortos

[QUOTE=Dedalus]Oase seems to be attracting a bunch of talent at the moment. I saw Doro take several prospective working gals on a tour of the club (some of these ladies looked smokin’ hot, too!) I noticed many ex-World ladies who have switched their loyalties and spoke with many of them about the scene at World right now. According to them, World is just not getting enough male guests and it is making for a sour atmosphere. If this is indeed the case, then I am betting that things will pick up for World in May when the weather improves. Oase does seem to be putting a big effort into making this spring and summer a successful one. [/QUOTE]

Reading your report, made me wet all over.Hmmm.

Did you see any additional renovations in the old pool area?

Have to get back to Oase, asap. Will try to plan a long layover in FRA soon.
Thanks for a great update.

[QUOTE=Dedalus]A blond girl from Russia whose name has totally slipped my feeble mind. She was a bit of a processor and an up-seller, and had we done this session in a room rather than in the Kino, I bet she would have been more difficult. She tried to force FT on me and I had to be pretty firm. Hot looking gal. Reminded me a little of Marina face-wise. Turned up to be a good kino-pop but I would not repeat with her. If the name strikes me, then I will give it up. She did say that she was from Vladivostok. 1. 55 M. Speaks perfect German. Full of smiles and gives a very good first impression.
[/QUOTE]Jenna is her name. I hate short term memory loss.

AtIseeu

Do you mean the indoor pool area? No changes there. There indoor whirlpool has been inactive for some time now. There is an outdoor one, but I did not examine it too closely.

AtOrtos

Veronika was looking quite good. She is slightly larger than in the old days, but really only slightly. She is still in quite good shape and those legs of hers are still very shapely. Face-wise she looks exactly the same.

I did not press the DFK thing. I personally respect a lady's wishes on that score as some are just not into it and consider it to breech a certain intimacy that they save for someone else. It could indeed be that she has someone special in her life now. When I sense this from a girl, then my session priorities change a little. Sonja is a good example. I get DFK from her, but I am just as happy to spend valuable eye-time scanning that All-World body of hers. It was the same with Veronika.

The language deal helps on several levels. First, it is impressive to a lot of these girls as they do not expect a "foreigner" to handle the German language that well. I dare say that it is more impressive than to have "six-pack" abs, which most of these girls could give less than a damn about anyways. Second, it is easier to spark a "click" with some of these girls if one can speak the language and further, if one can be charming with it. My German skills have not yet gone native, but I do pretty well with the language and, since it is my second language, I tend to create "Redewendungen" (idioms) that many native speakers do not know or use. The German girls find this interesting (Charming? ) as do many of the other ladies who generally communicate easier in German than in English. To put it another way, I may occasionally mess up my word order or get an article incorrect, but I can communicate pretty well and, dare I say it, be pretty creative with German.

And yes, you are correct. The smart gal will see me as a potential Stammgast. Some are so into the "churn and burn" mode that they do not think this way, but the ones who do well take this into consideration.

Sonja is Czech. She is tall (1. 75+ in heels), actually has brown hair but many blond highlights, has a tattoo around her right bicep, a tribal in her lower back and one on her ankle. Seriously, you would have noticed her if you had seen her. Absolutely stunningly good looks!

Cheers,

Dedalus

Sorry, I put names to the girls that I could remember, but doing so many girls in such a short time, I should have written them down as I went along. Since it was my first visit, I was like a kid in a candy store. My excitement overcame me to remember names, my memories were more on the event itself. Plus, my memory isn't as good as it once was, getting old is a ***** (LOL).

Since I can't remember the last girls name, she is tall and thin and one of the tallest girls there. I know there is at least one other that fits that description but if she says she doesn't kiss or BBBJ in public, thats the one. Also, when we were talking, she did have a low view of the Romania and Bulgarian girls. Saying they have no class and will do whatever sex act including bbfs to make money in the clubs.

Hope this helps,

Q

[QUOTE=Jayleesf]What do you guys do during the downtime between sessions? I am going to hit the FKKs in July but will be by myself. Is it ok to listen to an ipod or read a book while are recuperate?

Thanks[/QUOTE]
.. between sessions.

The only thing I can think of that you can't do is take photos with a camera or with a cell phone.

At this club I don't know though if they'd object to you jacking off in a corner. I just know that at Bernds it wouldn't be a problem.

[QUOTE=Dedalus]The language deal helps on several levels. First, it is impressive to a lot of these girls as they do not expect a "foreigner" to handle the German language that well. I dare say that it is more impressive than to have "six-pack" abs, which most of these girls could give less than a damn about anyways. Second, it is easier to spark a "click" with some of these girls if one can speak the language and further, if one can be charming with it. My German skills have not yet gone native, but I do pretty well with the language and, since it is my second language, I tend to create "Redewendungen" (idioms) that many native speakers do not know or use. The German girls find this interesting (Charming? ) as do many of the other ladies who generally communicate easier in German than in English. To put it another way, I may occasionally mess up my word order or get an article incorrect, but I can communicate pretty well and, dare I say it, be pretty creative with German.

And yes, you are correct. The smart gal will see me as a potential Stammgast. Some are so into the "churn and burn" mode that they do not think this way, but the ones who do well take this into consideration.

Cheers,

Dedalus[/QUOTE]
To fully participate in everything which goes on in a club, for example, the side conversations which take place between the girls, the staff and the other guests, one has to speak German.

True, you can get by with English but your level of participation is only a fraction of what a German speaker's would be.

As a rule, they don't expect a foreigner to handle the language as well so you get instant points if you can speak it gramatically correctly and without an accent. Some women think I'm fibbing when I tell them I don't live there and am only visiting.

During my last visit, Svenja at Bernds, was just incredulous: "What? You don't live here? From your accent, you sound like you've been here for years."

It takes thousands of hours of speaking the language to get everything to sound right and for all of the grammar to fall into place.

There is an expression: "Deutsche Sprache, schwierige Sprache". The language is difficult grammar-wise. Adjective declensions, for example, are kind of a form of mental torture.

And yes, German women do find it entertaining when you can joust with them verbally. The language is amazingly flexible and one can be extremely creative once one gets the hang of the rules.

Because it is not my first language, I do tend to put together words and phrases which most native speakers would never imagine constructing. It is entertaining to most of them and one might even say they find it charming. I have fun with it.

My criteria for choosing a woman to go with are not only based on her looks and attitude but also the likelihood of being able to communicate with her.

I have much better sessions with either native German women or foreign women who have lived in Germany for a while and speak the language well.

My original interest in Germany goes back thirty years and did not start with FKK clubs but with the language and culture.

Investing time and effort in it is the single best decision I've ever made. It has paid off in so very many ways.

I would be potential Stammkunde material if only I lived there. Sigh.

On the other hand I'd be close to broke if I did. I'd have to set up direct debits from my bank account to fund my habit.

I've said this before: I would not go to visit clubs if I didn't speak German. I don't know how those of you who don't speak the language do it.

Its the equivalent of me saying I want to hobby in Poland. I speak a few words of Polish. Thats it. Its not even in the realm of possibilities as far as I am concerned.

I personally don't think pidgin German cuts it. First impressions matter and speaking broken German does not create a positive image with either the women or the staff, IMHO.

I think a non-German speaking guy can have a great time at an FKK, although any knowledge of German will greatly enhance the experience. Often there are lots of girls there that are new and don't speak German so well themselves.

I do speak passable German but there are times I don't even try. My problem is that I formally studied the language and know when I am butchering the grammar and that tends to slow me down at times. But when I do speak, it can make a big difference. I find it helps to let them know your level of proficiency and apologize in advance for the errors you will make speaking.

All in all I think it really depends on the girl you pick. My advice to a non-German speaker is to try and find girls that speak english well. Being able to communicate goes a long way to turning mechanical into something more.

In all of my mongering around the world, I find being able to talk to the girl always makes for a better experience.

[QUOTE=Jackyo]

I've said this before: I would not go to visit clubs if I didn't speak German. I don't know how those of you who don't speak the language do it.

Its the equivalent of me saying I want to hobby in Poland. I speak a few words of Polish. Thats it. Its not even in the realm of possibilities as far as I am concerned.

I personally don't think pidgin German cuts it. First impressions matter and speaking broken German does not create a positive image with either the women or the staff, IMHO.[/QUOTE]


I'm glad that's your humble opinion because you are wrong on many levels.

[QUOTE=Jackyo]...I would not go to visit clubs if I didn't speak German. I don't know how those of you who don't speak the language do it.
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I personally don't think pidgin German cuts it. First impressions matter and speaking broken German does not create a positive image with either the women or the staff, IMHO.[/QUOTE]
I rely on my incredible good looks and amazing sexual stamina :-0

Seriously Jackyo, you got to be kidding. "positive image with either the women or the staff". I mean...C'mon!

LOL

Chivaz

[QUOTE=Chivaz]I rely on my incredible good looks and amazing sexual stamina :-0

Seriously Jackyo, you got to be kidding. "positive image with either the women or the staff". I mean...C'mon!

LOL

Chivaz[/QUOTE]

Hey Chivaz,

I thought that when you showered all those ladies with bucket loads of Euros that you gave off a pretty positive impression ;-))) That, plus the incredibly good looks and amazing sexual stamina must be why all of those dandies keep asking me about you when I go to the clubs. Seriously, Gents. The gals are always asking me where our good friend here is.

With regards to having some Deutsch and its advantages in the clubs, it is certainly a help on many levels. I am also quite sure that it is not a prerequisite to having a good time in a German FKK. One guy I know who some of us run with can barely say "Hello" auf Deutsch and he still does quite well at all of these places that we visit together. I will never forget this dude smiling and charming the socks off of Russian Melissa at GT last year. I know that she only understood 5% or less of what he was saying, but she dug both him and his Euros. Beffen seems to do quite well with his pidgin Deutsch. To his credit, he has the basics down pat. "Muschi", "Zimmer", "Blasen", etc.

Also having good German skills, while certainly helpful, is no guarantee that a club will automatically roll out the red carpet for you. A lot of Gents who I run around the clubs with speak little or no German and they always seem to get a smile and a "Good to see you again" when we visit a place. That is, unless that frowning dark-haired lady with glasses is working the door at Oase. Not sure what her problem is but she is in a permanent bad mood.
Also I know a Dutch dude who is loud, a tad obnoxious, and yet a fun-loving guy who is always welcomed with open arms at LR and GT. He has some German but it is pretty weak by most standards. This does not get in the way of his fun at those places.

Fazit: Having some German can be a great help and advantage, but not having any should not scare anyone away from having a good time at any of the German FKKs.

Cheers,

Dedalus

[QUOTE=Dedalus]Hey Chivaz,

I thought that when you showered all those ladies with bucket loads of Euros that you gave off a pretty positive impression ;-))) [/QUOTE]
That coupled with premature ejaculation is a sure thing to win a working girl's love forever :-)

[QUOTE=Dedalus]
One guy I know who some of us run with can barely say "Hello" auf Deutsch and he still does quite well at all of these places that we visit together. I will never forget this dude smiling and charming the socks off of Russian Melissa at GT last year. I know that she only understood 5% or less of what he was saying, but she dug both him and his Euros.
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Hey, I would trade my German skills with his southern accent any day.

[QUOTE=Dedalus]
Beffen seems to do quite well with his pidgin Deutsch. To his credit, he has the basics down pat. "Muschi", "Zimmer", "Blasen", etc.
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So true. Walking with Beffen into World is like walking with Norm into Cheers. He sure did not get that status through his language skills. He is a prime example of somone who sure has a "positive image with the women and the staff", a good example of how easy it is to display charisma and style without advanced language skills.

Putting things into perspective: I do understand German quite allright and I am able to get by ok speaking it as well. I still use English in the clubs as I usually find that the girls I hang out with are often just as able to speak English as German and my English is better than my German (English is not my first language either). Add to that, I usually play dumb when spoken to in German (often just to have some fun). I had great fun during the threesome with Melissa and Samantha at GT last summer when they thought I could not understand a word they were saying. Same thing with Chanel and "dont remember name" threesome. When grumpy Jill at Palace started to b_itch about everything and nothing I just pretended not to understand and finally she gave up and we ended up having a fucking great session.

Yes, German skills are a plus, but I can think of many things that are way more important in order to get a "positive image with the women and the staff"

Chivaz

[QUOTE=Thor93]I think a non-German speaking guy can have a great time at an FKK, although any knowledge of German will greatly enhance the experience. Often there are lots of girls there that are new and don't speak German so well themselves.[/QUOTE]

I completely agree. I speak pretty much fluent German however many of the girls in these clubs come from Eastern Europe and unless they're planning to stay a long time in Germany they're probably not going to be able to speak much German themselves. A lot of women like to practice their English and the majority of the time we end up speaking English rather than German. This has been the case with some of the best performers I've ecountered (Josi and Carey at Samya, Regi at GT and Lavinia at PHG).

Many Eastern European schools teach English as a 2nd language and in Germany it is taught from the age of 7. To be perfectly honest if I had the choice of being fluent in another language in addition to English then I would probably pick Polish as a lot of these clubs are full of Polish women.

[QUOTE=Chicafan]I'm glad that's your humble opinion because you are wrong on many levels.[/QUOTE]
I don't doubt that one can have fun with and without communication.

If you can have fun and not communicate at all, then thats just great. To each his own. Then you are a far better man than I am (Gunga Din!) if the communication barrier doesn't hold you back.

I see it as a multi-layered cake with lots of levels of communication in between.

There is cave man sex where the most communication you have going between each other is grunting and moaning because neither of you can make complete sentences in the other one's language.

Then there is sex which is like a conversation and the physical part is just a part of the whole. This is my standard for a GFE: she has to be someone I'd actually be interested in going out with in real life - someone who is funny and smart and has something to say. The only difference being her and a girl I'd meet in real life is she is being paid for it at an FKK club.

I almost never hang out with women in real life I can't have a conversation with. I don't bend that standard when I'm at a club.

The whole thing, at least to me, is about interaction. If she simply lies there and isn't interactive, I can't get into it. If, on the other hand, she gets into it, I get into it too.

But don't get me wrong: I've had cave man sex too and had fun at it but given a choice, I'd much rather have the latter rather than the former.

This explains why I don't particularly like clubs where there are no German women who work there; where the team consists of EE women who've just arrived by train or bus or however else they arrive and they speak two or three words of German and thats it. I mostly can't understand these women, can't get any kind of conversational connection going.

German women can work anywhere they want to (its their country) and if none of them work at a certain club then its a club where my chances of finding the women I'm looking for are smaller.

Call me provincial if you want to but the language thing is what holds me back from exploring Brazil, Argentina, Costa Rica or Thailand. I speak neither Portuguese nor Spanish nor Thai.