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[QUOTE=FiddyCent;1764512]Hello Bearsk.
LOL! I like the acronym. I am going to make the girl work extra hard for this, especially after I pounded her thoroughly in the ass. Ass to CICIM.
FiddyCent.[/QUOTE]Lets not get carried away with ourselves:
The girls may yearn for the good old days of A to CIM (need to consult them: suck on your own S vs. CIM).
Maybe more importantly, we need an assessment of the business model impact of A to CICIM and other sequential permeations (McAdonis to the fore).
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My 2nd time to Oase this summer just prooved to me that a club can be reborn!
Last year I had some terrible stays at oase and I felt the club was just awful with less than pretty girls and bad food policy.
This summer, the food policy is again good (eat all you can), and the lineup is just miles above where it was one year ago. At least in my eyes. So deffinately worth a visit if you are in frankfurt.
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McAdonis and PL. As a tourist I confirm you are right. Given the right girl who knows how to give top service, it is easily possible to spend several thousand on one girl in three or four days, and then repeat that maybe eight weeks later. The result is that the girl will normally reschedule their holidays etc around such a tourist's visits.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;1764696]My 2nd time to Oase this summer just prooved to me that a club can be reborn!
Last year I had some terrible stays at oase and I felt the club was just awful with less than pretty girls and bad food policy.
This summer, the food policy is again good (eat all you can), and the lineup is just miles above where it was one year ago. At least in my eyes. So deffinately worth a visit if you are in frankfurt.[/QUOTE]Of course, each one his tastes, but who are the new Ina. Lat, Maria platinium with long hair, blond Sabina, Emmanuela? So for me casting can not compete with July 2014 or October / November and last summer dogs foods were free even for girls, so no more Oase for me at the moment, I m only interested by really pretty girls with friendly GFE behavior, not extras hunters and low sex level, You want to cum in my mouth? Because the fat does not want to food them, I prefer Mainhattan and Sharks with better services quality for girls and foods, and less expensive entry, 45 many times. For me Oase is at the moment just good for tourists or old who like girls . I am a foreigner, not local, not so young anymore, but not a tourist who seem to discover what is a woman for sex, meaning for me sensuality and skill, but just my experience.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;1764525]
Syzygies is one of the more open contributors--who happens to live in FRA half the year---could probably be used as the baseline for a "local customer". I believe he once wrote that he saw Roxana roughly 25 times over the course of 1-2 years, and he admits that he normally does 100 EUR. So that means he spent 2500 EUR on her.[/QUOTE]I am quite sure this a big exaggeration. Her holidays were often not in sync with mine. Eventually she got bored with me. i have not tried the siliconised model.
Sharks improved a lot since then. Initially not many girls good enough in both looks and service to repeat often except for her. I have a wider range of favourites at Oase, and also World in the past.
There are German regulars at Oase, week in and week out. They usually have favourite girls, that they do far more times than I ever managed.
Sirioja's perspective about just tourists is rather wrong. The line up is not really better than a year ago. It probably is better than 2 years to 18 months ago.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;1764525]Not all tourists are the same. FKK girls prefer the tourists who just wandered into the club for the first time--these are the customers that are easiest to shark because they don't even know the official pricing. Then there are your tourists who know the official pricing, but they tip and knowingly pay above the market rates to incentivize the girls and earn "platinum customer status". Then there are tourists who like six-hour bookings. If you are a tourist, and not in one of the above categories, you may not be seen as "high potential for business".
Syzygies is one of the more open contributors--who happens to live in FRA half the year---could probably be used as the baseline for a "local customer". I believe he once wrote that he saw Roxana roughly 25 times over the course of 1-2 years, and he admits that he normally does 100 EUR. So that means he spent 2500 EUR on her. It's very possible that many tourists can spend this type of money on a single girl in even shorter span of time. Recently a tourist at Sharks admitted to me that he dropped over 1000 EUR on one girl in the course of three days. These are the types of tourists that are "high potential for business". My guess is the girl will know whether the tourist is a big spender or not, and the degree to which the customer is smitten with her within the first 30 mins.[/QUOTE]Of course, Asian or American tourists are easy clients for girls to try to make the most money as fast as they can, with: you want to finish in my mouth? For sometimes 100 instead of 50 , or anal for 30 seconds for 100 or more, or asking for tips because: I gave you my best services, but clever working girls know better for her to have regular weekly or monthly clients and they ask you after the room, do you want we repeat later? And at the end of the last room, when will you come again? I gave about 5000€ to my ex fav and I don't regret because it was a real pleasure for me for 1 year, I gave to Raïssa about 1000 in 1 month and it was also my pleasure. I remember I spoke about my fav with blond Sabina and she said me smiling: and what about me? But even one of the prettiest face and smiling and friendly, but not skillful enough and she deserves a better life for her health.
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[QUOTE=Syzygies;1764902]I am quite sure this a big exaggeration. Her holidays were often not in sync with mine. Eventually she got bored with me. i have not tried the siliconised model.
[/QUOTE]Well, I was surprised when you wrote that you only saw Roxana 25 times. I always imagined it to be a much higher number. Yes, I am fully aware that there are guys that spend 25 K EUR per annum on their FKK wife. I could be wrong, but I think those guys are extreme outliers. So your spending habits seemed like a better baseline of what a girl could reasonably expect from a "good customer who visits frequently". Strictly from a financial perspective, my guess is you were probably a "7" for Roxana, whereas the profile of the previous customer I mentioned is probably a "9", but maybe I am understimating Roxana's earning potential at her peak, or I was well off the mark on my estimates of what you spent on her.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;1765048]Of course, Asian or American tourists are easy clients for girls to try to make the most money as fast as they can, with: you want to finish in my mouth? For sometimes 100 instead of 50 , or anal for 30 seconds for 100 or more, or asking for tips because: I gave you my best services, but clever working girls know better for her to have regular weekly or monthly clients[/QUOTE]I disagree. Many regulars like to try many different girls. For instance, HB once wrote that he sampled over 65 of the girls on the Oase LU list. I believe he joked that he lost count, so that number could have been much higher. I am sure he tried all the top superstar girls before. He just doesn't get addicted to them to the point where he wants to see them every week---or even every month. He's too busy attending different clubs and trying different girls!
Some girls do not think long-term. Some girls prefer 1000 EUR guaranteed in one night, over a potential 5000 EUR that may or may not ever happen. Many customers get bored and change favorites. Some customers get a new wife or girlfriend. And some customers run into financial difficulties (stock market crash, loss of a job, etc). Also some girls know they will quit the business in 6 months or less, so they don't think, "wow I can make 5000 from this customer in the next twelve months".
Most girls who are about to quit the business soon have a change in attitude. What is the average shelf life for a WG? Two years or less?
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Jeanette / Hungary
Hungarian Jeanette is back at Oase after a break of around 1 and 1/2 year. Put on some more weight in the meantime. Now maybe 23 or 24 years old. Don't know her english skills bc she's one of the few club girls I always speak german with her that is almost close to native speaker. She's a very nice and smart girl. I always like to talk with her. Room performance was still on this top act level as she used to be before her break. Had a really good session again with her. Only thing she should lose some weight.
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Jeanette has been around for many months this spring and summer. Sadly her body is out of shape now, but her perfomance was always great (DFK, BLS, CIM / Anal). Glad to know she still performs well. She understands a variety of erotic sensations. Her English is decent when she needs to, but prefers German.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;1765248] Yes, I am fully aware that there are guys that spend 25 K EUR per annum on their FKK wife. [/QUOTE]Yep I also know some girls having clients in that range. But it seems to me sometimes a better deal than a wife. LOL. Again yes a 2500 euro client in two years on a top level like Roxanna used to be is for her only a 7 customer.
Average shelf live of a WG? Very difficult. And this average isn't important to know for me. More important for me is that almost all girls loosing her natural smile and her naturalness when they are longer in this job. Of course few exceptions I know; at Oase for instance polish Isabella around six years in job and still a natural smile.
Oh this "superstar" gossip. In no club I know general "superstars" bc they don't exist. Take this many years hype girl swiss Michelle from Blasel. Incredible hype but I wouldn't go even for free with her in room. Bc one guy fantasize about "superstars" that doesn't mean there are ones. And when I write from top acts or top level girls that is only my opinion that doesn't mean they are top acts for others. Even on a club like Sharks my last two new bookings were girls without nothing on any forum. Both were ecxellent sessions for me and better than sometimes with a so called hype girl.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;1765248]I disagree. Many regulars like to try many different girls. For instance, HB once wrote that he sampled over 65 of the girls on the Oase LU list. I believe he joked that he lost count, so that number could have been much higher. I am sure he tried all the top superstar girls before. He just doesn't get addicted to them to the point where he wants to see them every week---or even every month. He's too busy attending different clubs and trying different girls!
Some girls do not think long-term. Some girls prefer 1000 EUR guaranteed in one night, over a potential 5000 EUR that may or may not ever happen. Many customers get bored and change favorites. Some customers get a new wife or girlfriend. And some customers run into financial difficulties (stock market crash, loss of a job, etc). Also some girls know they will quit the business in 6 months or less, so they don't think, "wow I can make 5000 from this customer in the next twelve months".
Most girls who are about to quit the business soon have a change in attitude. What is the average shelf life for a WG? Two years or less?[/QUOTE]I was meaning, for my experiences in FKK, I met many girls who try to get regular clients with appointments for months, but I also experienced changing behavior, one day, you meet the girl and she comes to you smiling all night, you take appointment for the day after when she will arrive, she comes smiling when she arrives as agreed and for a small problem out of room, changing mood and behavior. Girls behave from how they feel the client, they know who can become a real regular or not, but things can change, of course.
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I too agree that 2500 in a year or two is not very high, but makes for a steady and reliable income. However, Roxana used to be more than a steady performer who looked to please. Something changed, perhaps she wanted to get to her retirement goals more quickly than previously planned. I used to give her 400 to 500 per trip, each trip being a couple of days at sharks and a couple of sessions a day. I would make may be 3 such trips a year, and she was happy to provide good to great service for that amount. Then she decided that was not enough, and tried to squeeze too much, to a point where it no longer made sense to accede to her crazy demands. But every trip I seem to find a new star (for me) who I end up giving 500 or more. Roxana was my #1 for 3,4 trips, and After Roxana it was Sandra, then it was Aylice on the most recent trip, when she took 800 or 900. Was Worth every penny though.
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[QUOTE=Jnpr30;1765349]I too agree that 2500 in a year or two is not very high, but makes for a steady and reliable income. However, Roxana used to be more than a steady performer who looked to please. Something changed, perhaps she wanted to get to her retirement goals more quickly than previously planned. I used to give her 400 to 500 per trip, each trip being a couple of days at sharks and a couple of sessions a day. I would make may be 3 such trips a year, and she was happy to provide good to great service for that amount. Then she decided that was not enough, and tried to squeeze too much, to a point where it no longer made sense to accede to her crazy demands. But every trip I seem to find a new star (for me) who I end up giving 500 or more. Roxana was my #1 for 3,4 trips, and After Roxana it was Sandra, then it was Aylice on the most recent trip, when she took 800 or 900. Was Worth every penny though.[/QUOTE]For all we know, Roxana may have hooked herself a sugar daddy. So maybe she can afford to be more selective with the customers because she doesn't need the money as much. So she wants customers that are less demanding--mentally, physically, emotionally. There are aspects of my job that are very customer-facing. I have one customer that I find so annoying I want to punch him in the face. For the most part, I can deal with the interactions if they are only 30 minute meetings once a week. Pretending to like him for any longer than that is too taxing. Basically it ruins my day and I end up hurling obscenities all the way home.
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Average shelf live of a WG? Very difficult. And this average isn't important to know for me. More important for me is that almost all girls loosing her natural smile and her naturalness when they are longer in this job. Of course few exceptions I know; at Oase for instance polish Isabella around six years in job and still a natural smile.
[/QUOTE]Most of the girls that have become favorites of mine usually disappeared several months after I met them. Typically I find out through their club friends that they quit. Once I find a favorite, I like to know how long they've been in the business. Most of my favorites quit at or before their three year mark. This makes their attrition rate very similar to investment bankers. Half of all investment bankers supposedly quit within the first three years. Some find out that they do not have the aptitude for it. Others realize that the money isn't worth the stress, health risk, or lack of social life. The ones that stay beyond the three year mark, make a career out of it. I can only think of three favorites who lost their "naturalness" during the time I knew them.
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Oh this "superstar" gossip. In no club I know general "superstars" bc they don't exist. Take this many years hype girl swiss Michelle from Blasel. Incredible hype but I wouldn't go even for free with her in room. Bc one guy fantasize about "superstars" that doesn't mean there are ones. And when I write from top acts or top level girls that is only my opinion that doesn't mean they are top acts for others. Even on a club like Sharks my last two new bookings were girls without nothing on any forum. Both were ecxellent sessions for me and better than sometimes with a so called hype girl.[/QUOTE]Nearly all the hyped girls--I need a regular to point them out to me. Half of the time, its a girl that I saw many times, but never took mental note of her because they weren't that attractive to me.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;1765363]There are aspects of my job that are very customer-facing. I have one customer that I find so annoying I want to punch him in the face. For the most part, I can deal with the interactions if they are only 30 minute meetings once a week. Pretending to like him for any longer than that is too taxing. Basically it ruins my day and I end up hurling obscenities all the way home.
[/QUOTE]So you have to deal with Sirioja both here and at work once a week? Hats off to you.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;1765248]Well, I was surprised when you wrote that you only saw Roxana 25 times. I always imagined it to be a much higher number. Yes, I am fully aware that there are guys that spend 25 K EUR per annum on their FKK wife. I could be wrong, but I think those guys are extreme outliers. So your spending habits seemed like a better baseline of what a girl could reasonably expect from a "good customer who visits frequently". Strictly from a financial perspective, my guess is you were probably a "7" for Roxana, whereas the profile of the previous customer I mentioned is probably a "9", but maybe I am understimating Roxana's earning potential at her peak, or I was well off the mark on my estimates of what you spent on her.
I disagree. Many regulars like to try many different girls. For instance, HB once wrote that he sampled over 65 of the girls on the Oase LU list. I believe he joked that he lost count, so that number could have been much higher. I am sure he tried all the top superstar girls before. He just doesn't get addicted to them to the point where he wants to see them every week---or even every month. He's too busy attending different clubs and trying different girls!
Some girls do not think long-term. Some girls prefer 1000 EUR guaranteed in one night, over a potential 5000 EUR that may or may not ever happen. Many customers get bored and change favorites. Some customers get a new wife or girlfriend. And some customers run into financial difficulties (stock market crash, loss of a job, etc). Also some girls know they will quit the business in 6 months or less, so they don't think, "wow I can make 5000 from this customer in the next twelve months".
Most girls who are about to quit the business soon have a change in attitude. What is the average shelf life for a WG? Two years or less?[/QUOTE]
Your post seems a little misplaced in the Oase thread.
I don't think you should be at all concerned about how much money I spent on some girl, since you were not there. Should leave that to me, and I don't even know. I don't keep track of that. For me its just regular sessions and who I want the most on the day, and who is not boring.
You really should be focussing on the girls and yourself in your reports. I am sure I am not a typical customer suitable for any so called "baseline".
We can't tell how long girls are in the business because Sharks has very high turn over and we don't know which other clubs they go to. Many girls would just fail to get counted. Yet Oase has many girls that have been there for many years. Really who cares how long girls typically last? I only care about the stunners and my favourites, and they disappear all too rapidly. You do have to get almost a completely new set of favourites every 1 to 2 years. Some of my highest rated girls for either looks or service, I only ever got to session once or twice.
Girls with a lot of repeat customers, will treat the customers very well if they spend a lot of money for little or reasonable effort. Girls will dump customers who are too much trouble for the money. I could fall into this second category for some girls as I don't finish quickly. Girls like Roxana could be looking for easier money customers, with little wear and tear involved. That maybe why I am now offered a 2 girl session but not a single girl session. She probably though Jessica could do more than her share.
Girls with very few customers or desperate for money may take any customer at all. I was surprised the very dick scared Leya would take on H the Horse. She said she knew he was big but needed the money. I am sure he did not get a satisfactory fuck from her.
A tourist customer who drops very big money on a girl in one day will be highly desired for sure. Also any customer that is a reliable stream of money, if the girl has relatively few regular customers.
Paloma is probably the girl at Sharks I have known for the longest time, several years (including at Sharks), and I still do her from time to time. I like her personality as she is smarter than most and no apparent bullshit. I have no other long term favourites at Sharks given that Sarah (World Andrea) is not around and Roxanna doesn't take me anymore. I have very few shorter term favourites as well. Maybe Agnes is the only one remaining. There are a few others I am willing to repeat but have not sessioned so many times as to call a favourite. I have significantly more favourites at Oase.
I don't think there is any really typical customer unless it is the one who just does an endless stream of new girls and new clubs and hardly ever wants to repeat. For me, my model is basically to try to repeat girls I liked before, and maybe try one new girl on each visit on average, sometimes none, and sometimes more than one, depending on talent available. I prefer repeating girls as a better session is far more likely. Less of a gamble.
In my early days at Sharks, I found very few girls were really good enough to keep repeating (too many average sessions or average looks), but obviously the repeat sessions were overall far better than the first tries. Sharks has a stronger line up these days generally, yet still I haven't collected a big list of favourites. So overall, I much prefer the Oase line up, particularly for looks, but plenty of girls with good service.