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I think people are probably overestimating the number of people reading these forums among the total attendance. Of course, no one can prove this objectively. From what I see, most people are not that tuned into these forums. Perhaps they read it to get a sense of the club scene once but I doubt they read these things on a regular basis to keep themselves informed prior to visits.
In any case, reading these forums will not prevent anyone from getting cheated. If you are naive enough to be cheated, reading a forum will hardly help. I don't know what happened to that Asian kid. But rules are easily known and prices are easily figured out. If a girl can bully a guest to pay 200 or 300 for a service for which everyone is paying 50 - well, such a person is bound to be cheated in the club or outside. I did not read the threads a whole lot prior to my first ever visit, and don't believe I was cheated in any way then or later.
And even regular reading will not help. Unless you remember so many details in your head or carry a phone and keeping checking reviews while in the club. I ran into Raissa at Oase, and I knew I had read some reviews about her but could not remember if they were positive or negative. In the end I went with her, thinking I will make my own review of her and if it turned out to be bad decision the worst that can happen is 50 bucks.
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Delia
[QUOTE=Danny227;1935966] take Delia from Sharks for example, she takes you to the room with a great promise and after a 2 minute BJ says, oh I can really fuck today, my pussy hurts[/QUOTE]Delia did that with me too, early this year. I did not mention this bad experience in my posts as I (wrongly) thought it was genuine.
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[QUOTE=Jnpr30;1936065]ISGers need to make up their minds about Romanian girls and foreign male guests. On one hand, there is perpetual complaints that Romanian girls are not so good, and that more foreigners drive up prices. However, w / o Romanian girls there would be not enough girls in this many clubs at these prices, which is very obvious. Less onions but also equally true is that if there were not as many male foreigner guests, demand would have been much worse for the girls, especially given the weak economy in Germany and Europe for several years now. Certainly a lot of girls would have left the business in despair if foreigner business collapsed.[/QUOTE]Overseas guests comprise a larger percentage in the Hessen big-5. Those clubs would despair if foreign business collapsed. Other FKKs have less dependence and would be less impacted. I've met many Romanian WGs that spoke almost zero English--just broken German, suggesting that they do not deal regularly with overseas clientele. Majority of the 400,000 estimated WGs in Germany, do not rely on foreigner business.
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[QUOTE=Craiova;1935905]+ 1 especially the below 10 % ISG readers at German FKK clubs. Forums writing has almost zero effect to change this trend.
[/QUOTE]90% of the foreigners I meet at FKK know what ISG is. But they do not read often enough to remember many FKK girls names / details.
When I went to Brazil, I only read a few pages of the Rio de Janeiro forums as "homework". Haven't visited the Rio forum since that time.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;1936102]90% of the foreigners I meet at FKK know what ISG is. But they do not read often enough to remember many FKK girls names / details.
[/QUOTE]Hell, I read ISG all the time, and I sure as shit can't remember girl names who I've never been with before. The only names I ever recognize and can remember are the girls who I already know -- but then I don't need a report on those girls since I already know how they are with me. Still interesting to compare notes though. Maybe others have memory skills that are beyond my feeble capacities?
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;1936100]Overseas guests comprise a larger percentage in the Hessen big-5. Those clubs would despair if foreign business collapsed. Other FKKs have less dependence and would be less impacted. I've met many Romanian WGs that spoke almost zero English--just broken German, suggesting that they do not deal regularly with overseas clientele. Majority of the 400,000 estimated WGs in Germany, do not rely on foreigner business.[/QUOTE]Was that 400,000 WG number ever verified. Or is it a McKinsey interview case study problem. How many fish are in the ocean and how many WGs in Germany, LOL. The max girls at Oase at any given time seems like 200 and multiply 5 gets us to a thousand in Hessen fkks. FKKMax. The city with the most FKK girls. I doubt that there are more than 25,000 girls between all the FKKs in Germany, as it does seem dubious that Hessen share of FKK girls in the land is less than 4%.
Perhaps most WGs work outside FKKs. As street walkers, red light districts, private escorts, etc etc. I would not know, as I have exactly zero experience in there.
In any case, I was just saying that a steep decline in foreigner flows would impact FKK girls' business, and should not generalize to all prostitution in Germany. Perhaps I should stick with what I know, which is just Sharks and Oase. And Artemis, which also seems to have a good number of foreigners when I visited.
BTW, I thought Romanian girls learn English in their schools? It is the Bulgarians who are really poor when it comes to English, based on my few interactions with them (mainly Aylice, who did become better with time).
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[QUOTE=Jnpr30;1936109]Was that 400,000 WG number ever verified. Or is it a McKinsey interview case study problem. How many fish are in the ocean and how many WGs in Germany, LOL. The max girls at Oase at any given time seems like 200 and multiply 5 gets us to a thousand in Hessen fkks. FKKMax. The city with the most FKK girls. I doubt that there are more than 25,000 girls between all the FKKs in Germany, as it does seem dubious that Hessen share of FKK girls in the land is less than 4%.
Perhaps most WGs work outside FKKs. As street walkers, red light districts, private escorts, etc etc. I would not know, as I have exactly zero experience in there.
In any case, I was just saying that a steep decline in foreigner flows would impact FKK girls' business, and should not generalize to all prostitution in Germany. Perhaps I should stick with what I know, which is just Sharks and Oase. And Artemis, which also seems to have a good number of foreigners when I visited.
BTW, I thought Romanian girls learn English in their schools? It is the Bulgarians who are really poor when it comes to English, based on my few interactions with them (mainly Aylice, who did become better with time).[/QUOTE]Officially there are around 600.000 prostitutes in Germany nobody knows exactly what and where they are working.
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[QUOTE=Jnpr30;1936065]ISGers need to make up their minds about Romanian girls and foreign male guests. On one hand, there is perpetual complaints that Romanian girls are not so good, and that more foreigners drive up prices. However, w / o Romanian girls there would be not enough girls in this many clubs at these prices, which is very obvious. Less onions but also equally true is that if there were not as many male foreigner guests, demand would have been much worse for the girls, especially given the weak economy in Germany and Europe for several years now. Certainly a lot of girls would have left the business in despair if foreigner business collapsed.[/QUOTE]The economy in Germany is very good the unemployment rate is quite low, that is why many German girls don{t need to work in a FKK, they can find easily a job and had some cash by having a escort activity. Many German escort that I met will never work in a FKK club, too much sexe every day, can{t choose the customer (if you want to earn good money) and on top of them by doing escort they don{t really believe they are prostitute but working in a FKK mean for them to be a prostitute. Many German men also think the same, when they meet a escort it is not exactly meeting a prostitute.
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A Foreigner's POV
[QUOTE=Jnpr30;1936065]ISGers need to make up their minds about Romanian girls and foreign male guests. On one hand, there is perpetual complaints that Romanian girls are not so good, and that more foreigners drive up prices. However, w / o Romanian girls there would be not enough girls in this many clubs at these prices, which is very obvious. Less onions but also equally true is that if there were not as many male foreigner guests, demand would have been much worse for the girls, especially given the weak economy in Germany and Europe for several years now. Certainly a lot of girls would have left the business in despair if foreigner business collapsed.[/QUOTE]Some good, interesting points being made here by the board regulars. What I don't hear is an opinion from an outlier, so here it goes. First of all, if you're a German regular and happen to see a hapless Americano in FKK being gussied up for the slaughter, try reaching out to him and give him some pointers. Maybe he'd appreciate a wingman so he doesn't fuck up a great thing in the DE land of paradise. Second, there are, I suspect, a boatload of decent foreign mongers lurking on this board, doing their best to educated about FKK protocol because we are guests in your country and we naturally wish to earn the approval of our German friends. Third, our German hosts may not be familiar with how American mongers are programmed to operate in the "hobby. " American SPs (service providers) put punters through rigorous screening to avoid LE (law enforcement) and therefore do not accept 30 min appointments. The minimum is at least 60 minutes. These longer appointments are expensive, and the SP is expected to provide GFE (girl friend experience) DATY DFK etc. This is the level of service that is expected by punters here, but everything goes "without saying," and punters just have to feel their way during the appointment (oftentimes YMMV). Therefore, when we get to FKK, we are very practiced at stretching the clock to get what we want from the appointment. I seriously doubt that you would ever see an American in his 40's or 50's doing a 30 min appointment in FKK unless the girl was awful and he decides to cut his losses. For an American, it's not a numbers game, it's the quality of the experience, and just a single, albeit long session is enough for the day. As an aside, we like the big Hessen clubs, but also like to retreat to GT for the same reasons as yourselves. LMFAO. Salut!
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;1936010]May be you should try my advice, take a girl don t speak about money and in the room just tell thanks give me good service and I will give you 100 or 150 euros, I do this since 10 years and I was more or less never cheated, but don t look the watch you are purchasing time but service, some girl when the chemistry is fine will be very happy with you. A girl can have great pleasure with one monger but 0 with you or me so all this reports about the performance of the girls are useless for me, I respect too much the girls that is why I never give names or reports but I think for many of us what is important is the global atmosphere in a club, and not if this girl do this or this. Visited in the last 2 weeks Sakura and Paradise Saarbrucken and I had great experiences in both clubs even many of you will not go there. We are humans, the girls are humans we have to accept inconsistency this is life.[/QUOTE]Thank amigo, I am really good on my personal sessions front. It isn't about a personal experience that can vary, this about systematic behavior (with a certain significance level say 0. 05) regardless of how nice you are or how much money you pay. Girls who cheat will do it when you give them 200 as well because it is never enough. They will always ask more. Names should be given here for girls who cheat, obviously in a smart way. In a 250 session in Oase a couple of weeks ago, the girl almost crying in the room saying please give me more money I have car trouble and I need to fix it before I go home it will cost me 800 euro. This girl didn't cheat but was greedy, but it brings across the approach. I will not book her again even though she was a decent plus session.
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[QUOTE=Danny227;1935966]
take Delia from Sharks for example, she takes you to the room with a great promise and after a 2 minute BJ says, oh I can really fuck today, my pussy hurts (so why do you think we are in the room? For me to draw on you astute insights on the Euro zone refugee strategy? She did that trick with a few clubbers I know.
Or a new girl at Sharks, Stella, BJ includes licking the top and sex includes 5 cm in you push hard. For me that is cheating as well. You pay for a standard service and you get 30% of it.
Honestly, I just feel bad for that Asian kid from Oase. Personally, I have my regulars and when I try new girls, I am OK with a 50 euro mistake. Usually when I get cheated (time lies, regular extras not announced, Delia can't fuck) I let it go, but from now on, reception, here we come.[/QUOTE]You seem unlucky at the moment, but in casino in Vegas, you will lose 99% of time, in FKK, sometimes you win, quite often for my experience, sometimes you lose, when you feel you are losing, even frustrating, stop, 50 € lost and next one to enjoy, same for regulars who change behavior. There are many friendly girls waiting for business, my only problem is too find pretty enough girls, and then to enjoy for only 50/30 mn without being upsell, I should not have the face to be upsell.
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[QUOTE=Danny227;1935966] , take Delia from Sharks for example, she takes you to the room with a great promise and after a 2 minute BJ says, oh I can really fuck today, my pussy hurts [/QUOTE]This happened to me at Oase three years ago, girl did the BJ for a good ten minutes then said she couldn't fuck. Language barrier made it difficult to find out why but I think she was working on her period. I took her to the front desk after the lackluster BJ only session and the look on her face as they told her to get dressed and go home since she couldn't properly work was priceless. They did say since I was in the room such a long time getting a BJ that I owed her 20 euro's.
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[QUOTE=Breadman;1936336]This happened to me at Oase three years ago, girl did the BJ for a good ten minutes then said she couldn't fuck. Language barrier made it difficult to find out why but I think she was working on her period. I took her to the front desk after the lackluster BJ only session and the look on her face as they told her to get dressed and go home since she couldn't properly work was priceless. They did say since I was in the room such a long time getting a BJ that I owed her 20 euro's.[/QUOTE]Excellent. An example to us all.
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[QUOTE=Breadman;1936336]This happened to me at Oase three years ago, girl did the BJ for a good ten minutes then said she couldn't fuck. Language barrier made it difficult to find out why but I think she was working on her period. I took her to the front desk after the lackluster BJ only session and the look on her face as they told her to get dressed and go home since she couldn't properly work was priceless. They did say since I was in the room such a long time getting a BJ that I owed her 20 euro's.[/QUOTE]You are my personal hero, seriously. All I am saying is we should all follow this or tell the girls if you don't fuck you don't get paid.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;1936226]You seem unlucky at the moment, but in casino in Vegas, you will lose 99% of time, in FKK, sometimes you win, quite often for my experience, sometimes you lose, when you feel you are losing, even frustrating, stop, 50 lost and next one to enjoy, same for regulars who change behavior. There are many friendly girls waiting for business, my only problem is too find pretty enough girls, and then to enjoy for only 50/30 mn without being upsell, I should not have the face to be upsell.[/QUOTE]Don't get the wrong impression, I am always lucky. I go mostly with the same girls. New girls I try recently have been somewhat disappointing, but I leave the room and run to my superstars. There is no club of the big 3 where I will be "unlucky" because of that. It just feels recently that greediness and cheating is climbing to new heights. Again, I don't recall a single problem at World. Recently at Sharks there are quite a few of those. Oase doesn't surprise me. It has been like this forever there, but Laura really screwed this guy. I felt bad for him.