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[QUOTE=Jnpr30;1701527]I did not realize the club entry fee was that much higher for a working girl compared to us. I feel sorry for them. I see quite a few girls not getting any sessions for hours and hours on. I wonder if they make enough to even pay their own cover. They have to be, or else they won't show up after a few failed days obviously, but it just seems pretty rough.
.[/QUOTE]Some girls simply don't make money, those under-girls are seen in every clubs, they are not charming as the good ones, or just not charming at all, walk around in the club with a poker face or dead-fish eyes. What they make could just barely cover the entrance and other basic living cost, or even worse. I've seen few times they crying at the corner of garden or in the toilet or while making phone calls. I feel sorry too.
I remember someone here mentioned he personally doesn't suggest these kind of girl come to work in the club, which is also my point. When they are here, it feels like they are stuck in between: making no money in FKKs while too shame to go back home since they make no money in Fkks.
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[QUOTE=Dufey;1701546]The girls have to pay entrance as well, plus tax and if they live in the club then the price of the room too. Living in the club is cheaper and more accessible than renting your own apartment (when an immigrant girl with no job has no credit to obtain a lease).
[/QUOTE]They may pay a higher entry fee than the men plus tax plus lodging plus WiFi plus paper towels adding up to 110€.
Some clubs charge 15€ for lodging. Renting an apartment with two girls can be cheaper and more comfortable. A lot of girls are not living in the club.
HB.
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[QUOTE=Faceless78;1701595]Some girls simply don't make money, those under-girls are seen in every clubs, they are not charming as the good ones, or just not charming at all, walk around in the club with a poker face or dead-fish eyes. What they make could just barely cover the entrance and other basic living cost, or even worse. I've seen few times they crying at the corner of garden or in the toilet or while making phone calls. I feel sorry too.
I remember someone here mentioned he personally doesn't suggest these kind of girl come to work in the club, which is also my point. When they are here, it feels like they are stuck in between: making no money in FKKs while too shame to go back home since they make no money in Fkks.[/QUOTE]What about the impact on the customer? Such a behavior from the girls could create negative environment and ruin the enjoyment and experience for the customers. Do the clubs not discipline girls for poor customer relations? I am glad I have never seen such things.
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[QUOTE=Dufey;1701550]A girl can run a program for a room by doing this for example.
"Lie down on the bed" Not even a please. So she is already saying you are in one position and that is the prone position where you can do less if you are the active type.
"Now I suck you" (for 30 seconds) and actually use her hand to get you hard.
She puts the condom on you when you want more blowjob and does this without even asking you.
The girl gets on top of you to fuck when you want to be on top. The intention is to fuck you quickly to get you off as fast as possible.
I guess these events never ever happens to you in the room?[/QUOTE]I have had this happen to me before. I am too scared of girls like that as I am in a foreign country full of very large people and I do not know what they will do. I would like to say to the girl "I am the customer, within fair reason you should do what I say".
I am too scared that maybe some gigantic Germans will come and beat me up for being nasty. What if she just makes up some lie and says I was abusive and called her a nasty name or something? Most girls are terrific. However, this one girl was a really telling me I do not cum fast enough and that she cannot make enough money like that.
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[QUOTE=MrManGuy;1701622]
I am too scared that maybe some gigantic Germans will come and beat me up for being nasty. What if she just makes up some lie and says I was abusive and called her a nasty name or something? Most girls are terrific. However, this one girl was a really telling me I do not cum fast enough and that she cannot make enough money like that.[/QUOTE]Either you are be. S. ting us or you should change your nick to MrsPussyGirl.
HB.
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[QUOTE=HessenBub;1701630]Either you are be. S. ting us or you should change your nick to MrsPussyGirl.
HB.[/QUOTE]I am sorry to say that you are wrong on this one.
What if you get beaten up, your money and cards stolen and maybe even your pass-port stolen too (if you take it with you like you're supposed to do) ? Say, you've got a cracked rib and need medical attention. What are you going to do then?
Go through insurance? You'll need to make a claim. They probably won't cover it. You could die. I had a friend suffer an injury in Europe, insurance was useless, luckily he was admitted to the ER because he had a credit card with some ridiculous limit.
Are you going to call relatives or friends back home and ask for help because you got bashed in a German brothel for allegedly being inappropriate towards a girl?
When you go overseas you need to be careful and you need to think what consequence can each of my actions have here? Especially in a country like Germany. Assume everything will hurt you and everything is a scam until proven otherwise.
In theory you should have back ups at the hotel anyway, but I prefer not to take risks and start arguments with people abroad.
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Sorry man, I have to laugh at you. You're in Germany, not Irak or Afghanistan. Probably one of the safest of the bigger countries in the World. Where are you from? Who's been telling you horror stories about Germany? Besides Germany being safe (if you don't walk around the "ghettos" in the major cities) FKK clubs are one of the safest places to be.
NOBODY gets bashed in a German FKK club. If you don't physically abuse or [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] a girl. If you're admitted to a hospital in Germany because of let's say a car accident or whatever you will ALWAYS get proper treatment, no matter if you have insurance or not.
If you worry about your safety in a country like Germany. Stay home.
HB.
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[QUOTE=Jnpr30;1701527]
On the other hand, if the economics are so tough, one would think these girls would be more enterprising, more resourceful and more customer oriented, but lots of times, that does not seem to be the case.[/QUOTE]Well, they are more enterprising. It's called endlessly harassing people for a session, even when they are taking a nap or clearly indicate that they are not interested.
Some humor: [URL]http://www.theonion.com/articles/courageous-man-overcomes-womans-body-language-to-c[/URL], 38152/.
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[QUOTE=Dufey;1701550]A girl can run a program for a room by doing this for example.
"Lie down on the bed" Not even a please. So she is already saying you are in one position and that is the prone position where you can do less if you are the active type.
"Now I suck you" (for 30 seconds) and actually use her hand to get you hard.
She puts the condom on you when you want more blowjob and does this without even asking you.
The girl gets on top of you to fuck when you want to be on top. The intention is to fuck you quickly to get you off as fast as possible.
I guess these events never ever happens to you in the room?[/QUOTE] It never happens to me. Maybe a handful times in the first FKK years, when I would not select carefully my sessions, and I would call quits after 5 mins of this bullsh*t.
But I am sure some posters here would call what you a described an ok session LOL.
BTW Paloma I found also not at all bossy in the room, she is a smart bit*h and knows when she can take advantage of the (weak) guys but if you are selfconfident she acknowledges. And can get naughty. Everybody has is parameters for go-with-the-flowliness.
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[QUOTE=HessenBub;1701651]Sorry man, I have to laugh at you. You're in Germany, not Irak or Afghanistan. Probably one of the safest of the bigger countries in the World. Where are you from? Who's been telling you horror stories about Germany? Besides Germany being safe (if you don't walk around the "ghettos" in the major cities) FKK clubs are one of the safest places to be.
NOBODY gets bashed in a German FKK club. If you don't physically abuse a girl. If you're admitted to a hospital in Germany because of let's say a car accident or whatever you will ALWAYS get proper treatment, no matter if you have insurance or not.
If you worry about your safety in a country like Germany. Stay home.
HB.[/QUOTE]You should not make fun, you live in Germany so you know how it works and I agree with you: I feel more safe in Germany and FKK than in Paris where I live, but if you want we can go together to St Pauli stadium and shout we support HSV and then I hope you run faster than H Bolt.
Easy when you live in Germany for long time, but when I see my Romanian fav afraid about club where she works rules, not to have penalties or to loose her job she needs at the moment and I wish her to stop as soon she will be able, or Asian who pay how much girls asked even when they ask more or ask for tip, because they don't know that they can just pay club rates and not more.
Advice for MrManGuy: HB is right, Germany and FKK are quite safe, as long you stay respectful, FKK and girls need clients like you, less and less clients at the moment, and as a client you decide how you choose to spend your money, ask for club rates, better to speak with girl before room, have a watch on you and if girl is not friendly, you stay respectful and you stop before 30 mn, you give her 50€ , you can go to say what happens to "theke" and you choose other girl or you go to other FKK.
Not so easy when you don't know the country, but you don't have to be afraid of girls nor about security as long you stay respectful, they need you as client.
Most FKK are not full and most girls don't work much.
If you are black or Arabian type, don't go to GT or LR with Russian boss, you will be refused there.
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[QUOTE=Dufey;1701550]A girl can run a program for a room by doing this for example.
"Lie down on the bed" Not even a please. So she is already saying you are in one position and that is the prone position where you can do less if you are the active type.
"Now I suck you" (for 30 seconds) and actually use her hand to get you hard.
She puts the condom on you when you want more blowjob and does this without even asking you.
The girl gets on top of you to fuck when you want to be on top. [/QUOTE]Was that a typo on the first line: Didn't you mean to write "ruin"? LOL.
Something like this has probably happened to all of us at one stage of our mongering career-experience, often at the start. The point is, however, as you get more experienced (hopefully) you begin to improve your girl selection techniques and your criteria change / rise up in level.
So if you are in this game long enough, and are attentive enough to these kind of things (some guys don't care enough and just plunge head-first into a session based on a girls' looks and / or focusing on individual physical aspects: big tits (we know who that is! LOL), nice ass, body-types, face / facial features, or (we've all heard this one): Oh I just had to fuck this girl regardless of her personality / attitude because she reminds me of a) my ex-girlfriend; b) my best friend's girlfriend; c) my co-worker, etc. , etc.
With good GFE 'radar' (if that's what your after) and some focused attention to your selection process, you should be able to narrow down the odds of the session Dufey describes above to slim. Of course, we can always get unlucky or tricked a bit. And one must be careful not to trigger a reaction towards this kind of coldness in a girl by our own behaviour.
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Good luck with that
[QUOTE=Sirioja;1701566]No never, because I will explain her that I'm the client, so I choose how to spend my money and if she doesn't agree, we leave the room with 0 money for her and we can also go to the theke if she wants, so I never left the room because girls understand what kind of client we are, clients who think with head and clients who are not able to think in front of a naked girl.
[/QUOTE]Oh yeah? What happens when the girl gets your "schwanz" in her mouth for a few seconds before you realise you chose a bad apple of a girl with a rotten attitude? Go ahead, take it to the Thekefrau or even to the big boucer Security boys, and see how far you get giving the girl 0 money. The kind of shit Dufey describes can / does happen to all of us at some point, even to SuperMonger! LOL.
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[QUOTE=BrainFuck;1701572]As this discussion is about Paloma, I am sure that this is not what Syzygies meant.
She behaves like she really want to have sex with me and demands what she likes.
I am looking forward to the answer, because I don't think Syzygies have ever been in the room with Paloma. I like people writing about girls only based on third parties reports without indicating that this is not an own experience.[/QUOTE]I've been to the room with Paloma a few times last year, so I know and understand exactly what you mean about her in the room behaviour. Maybe until you experience this girl or develop the write chemistry or even insight into where she's coming from you cannot really see the nuances in her being "demanding" and beyond that. But it's actually a positive thing for me, the way she does it. It adds to the erotic flavour of the hour, at least for me.
It's important to note here we are NOT talking about another Paloma at another club, a girl Syz knows wells (others of us know her too): ex-Word "Skinny" Karina, now Paloma at Sharks. This Paloma under discussion, the "Oase Paloma" (used to be Melissa or smoething at Sharks? Is a petite-ish girl, built like a Romanian gymnast, yes? Short hair and lots of tattoos (stars ain't it? Distinct personality and a strong character for sure. But I found once I built a mutual understanding with her on the couch, in the room things go great. She is "demanding" in a fun way, and so was I "demanding" in other fun ways, ways she rose to and helped take to a high level. Very erotic girl for me. But not when she got drunk the last time I saw her. Not so good a session.
I haven't seen her working for several months, yet I'm no regular like some of you guys, or not as much so, more a kind of seasonal or migratory Stamg / t, so maybe I've just been unlucky and she's not been working the specific days I've visited over the past several months.
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[QUOTE=Ortos;1701768]Oh yeah? What happens when the girl gets your "schwanz" in her mouth for a few seconds before you realise you chose a bad apple of a girl with a rotten attitude? [/QUOTE]I spin them around to doggy and get a solid 28 minute cardio workout in.
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[QUOTE=Ortos;1701773]This Paloma under discussion, the "Oase Paloma" (used to be Melissa or smoething at Sharks? Is a petite-ish girl, built like a Romanian gymnast, yes? Short hair and lots of tattoos..[/QUOTE]She was Vanessa in Sharks.
[QUOTE=Ortos;1701773]I haven't seen her working for several months, yet[/QUOTE]She is not in Oase anymore. She is working frequently in FKK Rom, now. I recommend to call the club before your visit, if you want go for her.