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[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2141327]It's notable that other than the one reported raid that gets repeated over and over again, other reports of the impact of this new law do not actually involve the police.
Yes, of course some of the women who choose to not provide AO, or even BBBJ, are going to pressure and give a hard time to women who do. **They have always done this. Even before the new law. ** They put themselves at a competitive disadvantage, and rather than upping their game, they choose to drag the service of other girls down. Our favorite girls get yelled at by their inferiors for "doing too much. " They always have.[/QUOTE]The enforceability of the law itself is not the biggest issue.
The fact that it is an actual law rather than just club policy, with the clubs now actually having some legal liability, combined with the fact that there are explicit signs in FKKs all over Germany, it’s in the forefront of the girls’ minds. Breaking the Kondompflicht is used by competing WGs more ferociously.
The effect is not science its not common sense.
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[QUOTE=KosherKowboy;2141396]I would not want to be the tenth of the day either, being number fifteen or twenty is much more enjoyable :D
I was offered this highly desired personalized service at Oase on my first visit there in 2016 when I could not cum in the the condom. She told me 500 e and I was not interested finally she came down to 200 e. I have no clue if this meant 200 e total for the session including the 50 e room for a half and half or 250 e total.
In the event Oase becomes an Adult Day Care Center for the Affluent and Distinguished Gentlemen than I too would like to hear more about this topic.
AO was also offered at Artemis but declined (think she asked for 1000 e) and AO was also offered and perhaps enjoyed with one or two girls at Mainhatten.
However I can not provide reports nor names for the privacy of those that may have been a participant in a latex free session.
Or two or three.
Maybe four.
Both the 500 e initial offer at Oase and the 1000 e offer at Artemis happened on my very first visit to Germany and I remembered I answered ' yes' to the ' Is this your first time here' question they always ask. They were looking for a big pay day.
But it also leads me to assume with those offers that AO goes on constant and often at all clubs where Johns fuck the Classy and Elegant version of the Gypsies.[/QUOTE]AO was and is still available everywhere but only offered by the most stupid and desperate girls, now it is your choice to put your health at high risk, I will not do it my life is far more important that the little bit more pleasure to fuck a prostitute.
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[QUOTE=Bitumen;2141318]I know what you mean. Hey, I have been there, man.
Sharks sessions feel so clinical. The Oase sessions feel like you are dealing to a girlfriend. No words and no "No". Oase girls do not in general feel like they hold back their services like a Shark does. I can get lost into the session whereas the Sharks sessions I can feel my myself counting down the bucks I need to pay for the session as the price totes up in the market.
Sharks does have a lot of teens, if you like that sort of look, but they are not the best quality for looks. The Sharks pole dancers, although older on average than the teenie boppers are much better lookers in my opinion. That is why the Sharks pole dancer group are so popular with the Ottomans and Asians.[/QUOTE]Shark has a lot of teens, are you joking, there a very few girls under 20 believe me I checked it with the receptionist, the sessions are the same in Oase and Shark it just depends on the chemistry between the people. Mostly it is difficult to get the same quality of sex with a prostitutes than with your wife or GF just because the most important thing is missing love which boost the emotions and sex is in the mind. After so many years I am only getting great sex with a young German escort, but we meet every week and each time it is better but obviously nothing the compare with the sex in a club, the girls just sex too much every day to keep some freshness, imagine you can fuck for free so much you want your favorite in a club I am sure that after several days you will get bored.
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[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2141327]On German boards attitudes are split. Some tell other posters to not talk about BBBJ or AO. Some post freely. And then they argue about it. The Germans are split on this just like the Americans. This should not be surprising. They have no patent on insight or data.[/QUOTE]Not really. It is a little more complicated. Most "serious" boards have a strict policy to comply with the law and not post about BB services (BBBJ or BB) anymore. Those are the majority. So a report will say blowjob and that is it. As the law is CBJ it must have been that. There are boards with non public sections. In those you find reports about BB and BBBJ. Makes sense for me.
There are a few "AO" boards who never cared about the girls and openly posted (and still post) about BB services. Full BB and BBBJ. Causing trouble for girls and forum members as well. If you look at the level of discussion and choice of words plus the level of moderation you will see that those boards are crap.
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[QUOTE=Bitumen;2141318]Sharks sessions feel so clinical. The Oase sessions feel like you are dealing to a girlfriend. No words and no "No". Oase girls do not in general feel like they hold back their services like a Shark does. I can get lost into the session whereas the Sharks sessions I can feel my myself counting down the bucks I need to pay for the session as the price totes up in the market.[/QUOTE]Nothing to generalize about. [B]Oase service levels are not any better than Sharks. [/B]Lots of girls trying to cut down service time to 15 min or telling you the standard session 50 EUR /30 min does NOT include kissing, DFK or DATY, it is just BJ and sex. They will try to sell you half an hour for 100 EUR or at least get an extra sold in the 30 min session.
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[QUOTE=Bitumen;2141315]Danny227,
These Sharks brand names are the girls that men fly half way across the world or the tourists that drive from OWL, NRW, Bayern, BW or Rhineland Pflaz to see a particular girl in Sharks.
These are the girls that men go to Sharks reception asking if Helen or Mandy is working today or can they point out that girl to them. Why.
Ou hear older gents at the bar tipping the bar maid and asking can she tell him which girl is Mandy or Evita?
These are the girls whose names are repeated over and over again by reporters asking about Mandy, Helen and Evita.
I agree that Oase is where it is at now. My euro bucks are coming to Oase.[/QUOTE]Slightly disagree on the definition of brand name; I don't think that the girls that people drive for are all brand names, and but some are. For me Mandy service is not amazing, but she gives it all for 50 E and she is quite beautiful. Her skill level is not in the same ball park as Evita.
Evita is super service, super illusion and falls under brand name, but not many left at Sharks that are like Evita, if at all. Nothing comes to mind now.
Sharks became a collection of good looking mediocre girls in terms of service. The natural service culture changed and with so many girls coming from clubs across Germany. Each bringing a different service mentality. Sharks lost a bit of its personality (for example, oase we know what we get, we know palace, we know GT, we know Artemis) and turned in to a huge metropolitan city, hosting a tone of cultures. This is just my two cents.
Plus service level in the kitchen and bar is declining.
I know my answer is a bit more than discussed, but overall, yep, I don't visit sharks anymore as much, so I agree.
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Girls at the "respectable" clubs like Oase who are believed by the management to do bareback or deal / take drugs have been bundled out of the clubs immediately, given only minutes to collect their belongings and leave. I have seen this several times, on two occasions I was actually with a girl who was evicted :( The new law and the political climate engendering the law, (the probability that the law is largely unenforcible in relation to the individual customers is a red herring) increase the incentives for the clubs to be seen as respectable and remove any hint of barebacking.
Like drug use, it will go on, but no girl or club will want to be identified with it (unless some bright spark works out a business opportunity to be made by challenging the law).
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[QUOTE=RogueNation;2141497]Nothing to generalize about. [B]Oase service levels are not any better than Sharks. [/B]Lots of girls trying to cut down service time to 15 min or telling you the standard session 50 EUR /30 min does NOT include kissing, DFK or DATY, it is just BJ and sex. They will try to sell you half an hour for 100 EUR or at least get an extra sold in the 30 min session.[/QUOTE]I agree that 50 euro sessions at Oase suck, as much if not worse than at Sharks. However I think Bitumen and I were both reflecting on the fact that the average 1 HR room at Oase is superior than Sharks. Something about either the club itself or the current girls is dirtier in a good way.
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Idk if there is a big difference between Darmstadt and Burgholzhausen regarding service levels in a 100€/60 min session. Depends on the girl. Not so much the location.
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[QUOTE=Danny227;2141505]Slightly disagree on the definition of brand name; I don't think that the girls that people drive for are all brand names, and but some are. For me Mandy service is not amazing, but she gives it all for 50 E and she is quite beautiful. Her skill level is not in the same ball park as Evita.
Evita is super service, super illusion and falls under brand name, but not many left at Sharks that are like Evita, if at all. Nothing comes to mind now.
Sharks became a collection of good looking mediocre girls in terms of service. The natural service culture changed and with so many girls coming from clubs across Germany. Each bringing a different service mentality. Sharks lost a bit of its personality (for example, oase we know what we get, we know palace, we know GT, we know Artemis) and turned in to a huge metropolitan city, hosting a tone of cultures. This is just my two cents.
Plus service level in the kitchen and bar is declining.
I know my answer is a bit more than discussed, but overall, yep, I don't visit sharks anymore as much, so I agree.[/QUOTE]The service level is going down everywhere just because it is always the same girls moving from 1 club to another and trying to reduce their service level but never forgetting to suck our cash. If a new girl is giving too much immediately the other girls will push her to reduce the service level, the girls have 0 respect for their clients, we just buy illusions nothing more. Are you aware how many girls are fucking even they have their red days? Sorry if they respect us they will not do it.
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[QUOTE=RogueNation;2141497]Nothing to generalize about. [B]Oase service levels are not any better than Sharks. [/B]Lots of girls trying to cut down service time to 15 min or telling you the standard session 50 EUR /30 min does NOT include kissing, DFK or DATY, it is just BJ and sex. They will try to sell you half an hour for 100 EUR or at least get an extra sold in the 30 min session.[/QUOTE]Your report reflects exactly my own experience, difficult to get something nice for 50 euro, most of the girls are pushing a lot for extra this club is following Palace and Manhattan, for me just a no go club until the management will regain the control of the things but I seriously doubt about it.
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[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2141327]....On German boards attitudes are split. Some tell other posters to not talk about BBBJ or AO. Some post freely. And then they argue about it. The Germans are split on this just like the Americans. This should not be surprising. They have no patent on insight or data. To the extent that local management gets a say in this, they have occasionally posted that they don't want posters to tell other posters to not post about BB services.[/QUOTE]I must commend ISG posters. So much talk about BBBJ and BBFS but no mention of girls' names nor clubs. Very entertaining and responsible. I am old enough to have had hundreds of bare back full sex sessions with working girls prior to the 80's. Then AIDS came around and I reluctantly had to cover up to protect my health. Now there is a law in Germany about no BBBJ and here I am in Brazil getting tons of BBBJ and as much DFK as I can stand. Still looking forward to visiting FKKland later this year though.
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Anyone seen Elizabeth HUN lately? Have not seen her for a while. On a side note, Adele is in ROM and should be back next week.
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[QUOTE=KosherKowboy;2141396]But it also leads me to assume with those offers that AO goes on constant and often at all clubs where Johns fuck the Classy and Elegant version of the Gypsies.[/QUOTE]Happens in all FKK Sauna establishments including all the MEGA-clubs. Girls hold onto regular and well paying customers by providing this service.
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[QUOTE=DerAuslander;2141790] Girls hold onto regular and well paying customers by providing this service.[/QUOTE]I agree it goes on everywhere.
And they also use it to steal other girls clients especially if it is a high roller. Seems no different than any other market anywhere. There will always be a segment of guys in any locale or venue that desire bareback sex and there will always be a WG to soak up the profits from such desires.