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Their are some independent hookers but a high proportion of the girls working in Germany (particulary Romanian and Bulgarian girls) have some sort of male (or males) in the background. Be he a boyfriend, a manager, a pimp or a gang who takes a proportion of (or sometimes most of) the girls income. In most cases the clubs are just interested in having sufficient hookers on the premises for the customers and (provided there is no trouble) are not going to question the background of any particular working girl. Of course there are some who like to believe that all of these girls are working and saving for their future or are attending college in their down time. Some girls are independent but often this is not the case. Very often (again particularly in the case of Romanian and Bulgarian girls) poverty and lack of opportunity drive women into this trade. All is not doom and gloom but unfortunately thre is sometimes a darker reality to the nature of this business and you either go with it or not. I choose to go with this but I also prefer to know and realise what is sometimes the reality.
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Natalia
Hi all I'm stuck in a dingy internet cafe so ill give a report when I get home a full lowdown. Its 650am on Thursday morn and I went to sharks and had a stellar time last nite. Oase rocked on Monday too. I was knuckle deep in Russian natalia on Tuesday morn 3am. She is there and she is uber hot! nachste stop berlin.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;1506870]What do you mean by pimping? I don't see any reason why any of the girls in fkk:s should have or need a pimp. As far I'm concerned pimps are disgusting and should be locked away for a long, long time. But maybe its just the fact that I don't know how pimping actually works in reality.[/QUOTE]Girls in FKKs do have pimps. Like in any other paysex variation. Don't be blinded by the shiny clean surface. The dark side of the business is still there. And it is a mutli billion euro business.
HB
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[QUOTE=StarletVoyager;1501709]Has anyone seen Fiden or Polish brunette Yulia at Oase recently? 1 week to go after a 5 month break back in hessen. Lovely.[/QUOTE]Fiden I saw last time I was at Oase. I am not sure of her working timetable.
Polish brunette Julia was a blonde last I saw her in October and she was working at Sharks. I did not see Julia over the last weekend though at Sharks.
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Natasha / Russia
[QUOTE=Pistons; 1506935]Is the Russian blonde girl from Vladivostock named Natalia or Natasha still around?
I met her 2 months ago and she stood out as a very smart and intelligent girl. Much more interresting than any of the other girls I've met at Oase.[/QUOTE]Yes the blonde Natasha is still around at Oase, now with curley hair.
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[QUOTE=Hessen Bub; 1507060]Girls in FKKs do have pimps. Like in any other paysex variation. Don't be blinded by the shiny clean surface. The dark side of the business is still there. And it is a mutli billion euro business.
HB[/QUOTE]Whether the girls have pimps or not, at least the girls make their own choice to take the job, right?
If a girl is forced to work as a prostitute and is seriously exploited, the male customers will notice the reluctance and unhappiness easily.
From my very limited FKK experience, I did not notice anything wrong.
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[QUOTE=Solo Traveler; 1507161]Whether the girls have pimps or not, at least the girls make their own choice to take the job, right?
If a girl is forced to work as a prostitute and is seriously exploited, the male customers will notice the reluctance and unhappiness easily.
From my very limited FKK experience, I did not notice anything wrong.[/QUOTE]Some of the girls were promised to get job as waitress at Swiss or Germany to get better pay in Germany (being promised something different)
But then somehow they end up there. Some don't complain because they make more money in a day then what a pilot in Romania makes a month!
Only thing is the high service fee the gangs / pimps / agent imposes. They are the one making good money from us and the girls
Some of the girls are required to spend time with the gangs. Its the seedy world of pros. Lets not be naive about it.
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[QUOTE=Solo Traveler;1507161]Whether the girls have pimps or not, at least the girls make their own choice to take the job, right?[/QUOTE]Some will, others won't.
[QUOTE=Solo Traveler;1507161]If a girl is forced to work as a prostitute and is seriously exploited, the male customers will notice the reluctance and unhappiness easily.[/QUOTE]Definetly wrong. As an occasional visitor you will not notice if a girl is there on her free will or not, if she does have a pimp / manager / husband or not.
HB
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These girls have a pimp or a bf. Typically girls that are free from either will spill all the juicy info about pimps and bfs that other girls have.
Here are some intel I've gathered, can't be sure how true they are.
This one is true since I've witnessed it. When I was in a session with a girl, my girl picked up the phone and I heard a girl crying on the phone. I was told the girl got hit by her bf. This girl works in one of the clubs. I've seen her in the club, and there is no way in hell you can tell this stuff goes on behind the curtains. This bf is what we think of as a "pimp." I'm guessing the girls in Germany calls pimps boyfriend also. Quite possible these girls would call a pimp a bf, and an observer would label this bf as a pimp. When a girl say she has a pimp that probably means she has a manager.
Don't know how true this is, but a girl told me that most of the WGs have a bf that they like to buy stuff or give money to. She mean't alot of the WGs work in the clubs so that they can do this for their bf. So that means these girls are vulnerable, and men are taking advantage of them.
We imagine a pimp as a threatening man that treats the girls bad, but not necessarily according to what a girl told me. She told me pimps actually takes care of the girls, such as getting their medical check-ups, finding clubs for them, and other things girls just arrived in Germany wouldn't know how to do.
But, she told me overall, the type of girls that work in the clubs are the ones that are vulnerable or easily charmed by men that would use them.
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Two links around human traffickers (in Romania) :
[url]http://www.caritas.org/Resources/Coatnet/TraffickersRomania.html[/url]
[url]http://www.mydangerousloverboy.com/[/url]
You may not call them pimps. But that's what they are.
HB
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Pimps involvements are often discussed about in FKK.
Most famous one seems the tattooed name Andul on some girls in palace fkk and also I spotted few girls with same tattoo in fkk Artemis too.
Once I asked one girl who do not have this tattoo and she told me this is two brothers and they live in Majorca and from biker gang and boom, what did I find this summer?
I found bunch of high scale media reporting that many high ranking biker gang guys got arrested in Majorca.
I do not know if it is the same guy, but one of the guy is Abdul and he has brother according to my web research.
There are many articles and video footage about this incident and I put link to English one:
[url]http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/24/hells-angels-members-arrested-mallorca[/url]
I think, since prostitution is actually legal in Germany police are cracking down on this pimping problem I think.
It is hard for us mongers to accept this fact, but it is true that these pimps help FKK clubs get better looking girls and indirectly benefit us. I want girls to have best for future, but we are unfortunately benefiting from this dark "service" of pimps.
Well I think:
I am sure romanians have broker who got them into germany, set girls up the base here in germany.
But! Actually most of the girls I met who has tattoo of the guys name (sign of ownership right) are actually German girls. Funny fact hey. Some seems quite normal girls without these tattos of guys name etc.
In contrary. I feel Hungarian and Czech girls are mostly independent girls and have no pimps. Just doing it for better lives, this is my experience but I see less girls from hungary and Czech, especially hungary who seems to be more independent girls just had no opportunity, so doing do better their lives.
Do you guys feel the same?
Guys, I was hoping this conversation was in lounge and chat as it is interesting topic. If you like try to dig on article I put up above as you find many articles in German (use google translator) and also some video footage. It is interesting as we were indirectly involved as end customers of these guys.
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I was friends on FB with a working girl before. Seeing photos of 5-6 working girls I recognized in a nightclub setting was different. Sometimes there were Albanian guys in the photos or commenting, so makes you Wonder. Coming from a corrupt place, they probably don't trust authorities. Pimps may also threaten to hurt family members, or get them addicted to drugs. And like everybody said, even if the pimps are taking their cuts, the girls are still making a ton a lot more money than they would, so they don't get complain.
Once when I was at world, I saw a younger guy with a mohawk sitting on the sofa with bottle service. I was one sofa away, near the stripper pole by the money locker. I saw a girl sit next to him. But the body language was a little different. The girl wasn't flirting or trying to get him to go to the room. Then he told the girl to summon the next girl. One by one girls were reporting to him, sitting next to him on the couch. Some of the conversations were jovial and joking. Some seemed stern. Others it seemed like the girl was looking for approval, like the girl was coming up with an excuse and the pimp was pensive, presumably trying to figure out if she was lying. At some point, I closed my eyes and took a nap. Was awoken when he barked at one girl that was at the bar a couple of meters away. He noticed that he startled me so he apologized.
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Haha, now you both have me confused. Is her name Natalia or Natasha? Are there two different russians at Oase? One named Natalia, and one Natasha?
And which one of them is from Vladivostock?
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[QUOTE=Pistons; 1507947]Haha, now you both have me confused. Is her name Natalia or Natasha? Are there two different russians at Oase? One named Natalia, and one Natasha?
And which one of them is from Vladivostock?[/QUOTE]Natasha is the informal version of Natalia so unless two separate girls are identified there is only one.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis; 1507862]I was friends on FB with a working girl before. Seeing photos of 5-6 working girls I recognized in a nightclub setting was different. Sometimes there were Albanian guys in the photos or commenting, so makes you Wonder. Coming from a corrupt place, they probably don't trust authorities. Pimps may also threaten to hurt family members, or get them addicted to drugs. And like everybody said, even if the pimps are taking their cuts, the girls are still making a ton a lot more money than they would, so they don't get complain.
Once when I was at world, I saw a younger guy with a mohawk sitting on the sofa with bottle service. I was one sofa away, near the stripper pole by the money locker. I saw a girl sit next to him. But the body language was a little different. The girl wasn't flirting or trying to get him to go to the room. Then he told the girl to summon the next girl. One by one girls were reporting to him, sitting next to him on the couch. Some of the conversations were jovial and joking. Some seemed stern. Others it seemed like the girl was looking for approval, like the girl was coming up with an excuse and the pimp was pensive, presumably trying to figure out if she was lying. At some point, I closed my eyes and took a nap. Was awoken when he barked at one girl that was at the bar a couple of meters away. He noticed that he startled me so he apologized.[/QUOTE]Hehe, at least he apologize and polite to the end customers LOL.
We took this discussion to forum category go "Lounge and chat".
It is interesting topic to wonder and chats, so if you want to continue this topic, come to "lounge and chat" forum section, we will be there.
Pimp aint just in Hip Hop music hey LOL They are in German FKK LOL.