50 everyday until 4 pm, as written. Good breakfast is until 3 pm.
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50 everyday until 4 pm, as written. Good breakfast is until 3 pm.
[QUOTE=Ortos;1963422]Apparently a girl who told me the new "special offer" of 50 e Entry "everyday" was giving me false information. I was able to clarify now that the new policy is simply: 50 e, if you enter before 14.00 every day. 50 e Entry on Weds all day. Other days, it is the original 70 e Entry anytime after 14.00. Clearly, the new 50 e deal on Weds is a reaction to the massive popularity of the Cheapo Weds gig at Sharks. Monkey see, Monkey do..[/QUOTE]You meant before 16:00 (or 4 pm) everyday correct? Not before 14:00. At least the Oase site clearly states that entrance BEFORE 4 pm (and not 2 pm) is 50, then 70 (except Wednesday). Or did they change again?
[QUOTE=ExpatLover;1963170]Sorry to always repeat the same things, the competition is extremely hard today in Germany in the prostitution market, the offer is far above the demand. Not only for the FKK clubs but also for the RLD, the numerous escorts. That is leading to price decline in entry fees World, Oase.[/QUOTE]I don't buy that. In any business where supply outstrips demand the provider improves their quality of product and level of service because of dwindling customers. If the girls were getting less customers overall they would improve their service in order to get more clients.
[QUOTE=Ortos;1963422] Well, at Sharks, the crowds on Weds can get over the top: just too many people. Last night (Weds) I entered Sharks at 17.00 and there were no lockers available under the number 215! And that was at 17.00. By 21.00 the place was a madhouse, huge lineup, but just too many people, esp. Men. And the line for rooms was oozing almost down the staircase. I decided to abandon the club, and transfered to Oase, where I entered shortly after 22.00. While Oase was busy for sure, it was no where near the crowds at Sharks on the same Weds night, with aboslutely no waits for rooms. Obviously, the new 50 e entry deal at Oase has not filtered through to the masses; and / or the masses have a much greater preference for Sharks over Oase these days. [/QUOTE]
Don't want to sound disrespectful to anyone but saving 15 (fifteen) euro on the entrance fee really makes SUCH a difference for the average German punter (as I assume most mid week are locals not foreigners), so that hundreds of men prefer that day vs a normal one?? Ok let's say Artemis one day a week from horrendous 80 goes to 40 or 50, I would get it. But for 15 bucks, it is just a pizza coke and espresso after all.........
[QUOTE=ExpatLover;1963170]Sorry to always repeat the same things, the competition is extremely hard today in Germany in the prostitution market, the offer is far above the demand. Not only for the FKK clubs but also for the RLD, the numerous escorts. That is leading to price decline in entry fees World, Oase.[/QUOTE]I understand dis and it is obvious especially given the economical world situation in the last years bla bla bla, but I have always wondered why even in crisis time no FKK club ever shuts down! I mean not only in Germany but in Austria and CH too. Ok sex (always?) sells but. Then one thinks what could be the camouflages these clubs stands for. Ok all clear! LOL.
[QUOTE=AdamCki;1963462]I understand dis and it is obvious especially given the economical world situation in the last years bla bla bla, but I have always wondered why even in crisis time no FKK club ever shuts down! I mean not only in Germany but in Austria and CH too. Ok sex (always?) sells but. Then one thinks what could be the camouflages these clubs stands for. Ok all clear! LOL.[/QUOTE]I am not an expert on FKK financials by any means, but these would be my guesses.
1. As you said, sex always sells. For many mongers, it could be considered a staple. Perhaps these men would cut out things like sports cars, other vacations, even eating out, in order to spend on girls. Just read the comments here. Guys think nothing of spending 300 euro on club and girls but spend endless amounts of time discussing taxi fares, when is the last train so they don't have to spend on cab, walking in the nights along dark farm roads and running the risk of getting hit by a speeding car, etc.
2. I don't know how these clubs are financed but my guess would be that a large part of the investment is paid upfront and the ongoing expenses are far less and can be easily met with incoming cash flows even in lean markets. FKK is a fixed asset. Like any other rental property. Perhaps if the owner rents the facility, the expense is more ongoing, but if it is paid upfront, and they invest into getting the license etc, the majority of the expense is probably paid already. And their employees are not that many. Even the girls are paying them, and paying more than us men do. Their ongoing expenses such as utility bills, food and drink, laundry, upkeep, personnel expenses, license renewal fee, other misc fee are likely much less than door fees. Someone once wondered why they lower the fee on Wednesday and how can they make money, but from their angle it probably makes perfect sense, as the larger number of men, even paying 20 euro less per head than on other days, are bringing in a lot of revenue through the door.
I don't know if the male traffic declined precipitously in 2008/09 or during the height of Greek crisis when it looked like Euro would dissolve and things looked bleak. I was not a visitor in those days. Nowadays, they have Asians and other tourists who will keep the traffic up. But if the clubs did not shut down then, there is no reason why they should do now. And since the girls pay to get in, 200 girls is a great situation for a club like Sharks.
[QUOTE=AdamCki;1963456]Don't want to sound disrespectful to anyone but saving 15 (fifteen) euro on the entrance fee really makes SUCH a difference for the average German punter (as I assume most mid week are locals not foreigners), so that hundreds of men prefer that day vs a normal one?? Ok let's say Artemis one day a week from horrendous 80 goes to 40 or 50, I would get it. But for 15 bucks, it is just a pizza coke and espresso after all.........[/QUOTE]It does for those who don't go to the room or just go once for fifty.
HB.
[QUOTE=McAdonis;1963197]So when you encounter straight stiff legs and you lose your hard on "fairly quickly", does that mean you end up voluntarily terminating the room at 10-15 minutes and pay the WG her 50 EUR? If so, then she just doubled/tripled her hourly![/QUOTE]Yes I terminate which on occasions was only after 15 minutes. Sometimes was longer. She does not get any more than 50 and no chance of a repeat. I don't take hand jobs. I don't believe HJs are a good idea for guys who don't cum easily. I don't like to waste time with bad sessions.
Any girl can be bad if she wants to. I can't easily tell if she is trying to be bad but I suspect so. However some popular girls have been quite bad for me. There are plenty of girls who made a good effort but lack stamina. That is a totally different thing. I can still recommend those types.
Most of my cancelled sessions were long ago. This year I am having a really good time with repeated girls. The last bad session does not even come to mind now.
Some girls really try hard to do a good job, but I don't agree with Turgid's logic.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;1963453]50 everyday until 4 pm, as written. Good breakfast is until 3 pm.[/QUOTE]Also good pancakes for breakfast. Best breakfast in FRA and maybe in all FKK visited. Only Sunday brunch at GT, World or Globe, can compete.
[QUOTE=AdamCki;1963454]You meant before 16:00 (or 4 pm) everyday correct? Not before 14:00. At least the Oase site clearly states that entrance BEFORE 4 pm (and not 2 pm) is 50, then 70 (except Wednesday). Or did they change again?[/QUOTE]Yes, it is before 16.00. Sorry for my typo-mistake.
[QUOTE=McAdonis;1963197]So when you encounter straight stiff legs and you lose your hard on "fairly quickly", does that mean you end up voluntarily terminating the room at 10-15 minutes and pay the WG her 50 EUR? If so, then she just doubled/tripled her hourly rate.[/QUOTE]That practice Syz talks about there should make them susceptible to forum naming and shaming. Doesn't seem to happen too often, but I have come across it 2-3 times also. If girls try to freeze guys out for something like what JohnElle talked about, we could have rules for the same here. Otherwise naming and shaming here on the forum can have harmful results.
[QUOTE=Pistons;1963783]That practise Syz talks about there should make them suceptible to forum naming and shaming. Doesn't seem to happen too often, but I have come across it 2-3 times also. If girls try to freeze guys out for something like what JohnElle talked about, we could have rules for the same here. Otherwise naming and shaming here on the forum can have harmfull results.[/QUOTE]A guy seems to spend ton of hours a week on a forum just to criticize or smear other members of forum. In about a week, he attacked so many guys who usually provided helpful information. I highly suggest the guy spend more time on girls or clubs rather than on forum.
I reiterate that I will never criticize any posts or other members unless he insanely takes the initiative to attack me.
One wonders what has finally caused Mauro to change.
Cheap entry of 50 Euro up to 4 pm and all day Wed. Improved breakfast with fruits and smoked salmon, etc. Some girls dancing atop the bar, like Coyotes, but naked. Even a lesbian show put on by Zsanett (spelling? Blonde Diana (once a curly redhead), and a brunette girl, making 3 girls.
The girls can eat all day, not limited to one meal. Daytime girls starting by 11 can leave at 8 PM, (or stay on if they please). The girls are feeling better, the customers are feeling better. Noticeably more newer girls than at my last visit, and some quite pretty ones. Service is another thing.
It's all a psychological thing, but there is a feeling of optimism, and that business has perhaps already started to pick up just a bi, give it time. There still exists the basic problems of upsell and limited service by girls for just a 50 note.
Unfortunately the day started unlucky before breakfast. My target girls did not show up.
I decided to try a new girl. First target was Amy, a very sleek but curvy long haired brunette girl with good sized tits, maybe see cups but a little bit saggy. Amy had seemed very sweet and smiling. I think she is not very new, and maybe first started this last summer. She was smart enough to do only the mildest upsell, asking how long, and at some later time asking if I like CIM. I said probably no CIM but if session is good will extend the time. She seemed to accept this. No trouble getting DFK and GFE. She was just mildly timid, but session went very well. Clearly a girl to see again.
Later took Krina, a well known good performer as day time had limited options, with the target girls missing. I thinking of leaving when suddenly some good looking night time girls started to arrive.
Some newer pretty girls met: Cami (brunette), Bella. Blonde with stunning face but so so ass, Christina. Slim brunette with fabulous ass, Marie very wickedly playful brunette with so so ass, Gia. Wow a sex bomb brunette, Anna. A new shapely blonde friend of Christina, Elli sex bomb brunette with sillies, and plenty more.
Was tossing up between the two friends Christina and Anna. Both seemed very attractive. Tried Christina first and we just did not click. Although I promised to extend the time if was enjoyable she whinged a bit about 50 Euros customers. She did not want pussy licking, only pussy kissing, no mouth kissing, etc. 50 is for just fuck and suck. Seems she ate some mint before the BBBJ. The BJ was really quite good but the cool mint taste from her mouth was interfering with the dick feeling. Added to that, a quite tight pussy, and fucking was difficult. Session was not improving so terminated with no cum and no extend.
Next tried Anna. Session started off similar with the 50 Euro whinge. She claimed all the girls will say the same. Wrong. Amy did not. Some of the new girls may have been indoctrinated badly. Just have to find a way to get past it. I had to explain to her that fuck and suck only takes 30 minutes, but if we do other things, time will go over up to 1 hour. On threatening to terminate the session having done nothing at all, she grudgingly agreed to DATY. Shortly later she accidentally started to enjoy the DATY. Soon the session was transformed from doubtful to great. Not full GFE with only lip kissing but her pussy was exquisitely suited to me, and did cum very easily in doggie, which was superb. Yes I would repeat Anna but not her friend Christina.
Marie was a highly recommended new girl by more than one friend but I did not get round to try her. Gia was also very hot and sexy, but did not have enough time to find out if we might have chemistry. Cami also appealed. Bella was eliminated by my friend when she claimed she came from England LOL.
Quite a few of the prettier long time girls were there too. The line up became quite good in the evening, even though a bit weak just today in the daytime.
Same experience: better foods with the best breakfast in FRA, give new girls mood, better atmosphere, improvement. No upselling from Irina. Ru for me, but I don't seem to have the face and behavior for upselling.
I nearly forgot the dinner at 5 PM. Bayern had had just been beaten by Dortmund, all important for quite a few German guests.
The dinner selection was significantly improved over previous Oase visits, not just from cakes and desserts. My choice was shrimp and pea stew, and some lamb cutlets with rosemary. Lamb was slightly over cooked to my taste. This is common in FKKs. Never seem to be able to get anything other than well done. Various salad options or mixed vegetable options. Free Pizzas could be ordered.
To avoid the overly loud Italian music in the dining area, one could move to the tables near the back door out to the Saunas. There the Italian music could still be heard but much reduced. You could have a conversation with your friends without struggling against the music. I will always sit there in future to eat. Those who love the loud music can stay in the restaurant area proper.
Quite a few long term pretty girls were present, although I have not tried many of them. The ones I know well were mostly missing. Just the luck of who showed up on the day. So I went to mainly newer girls to try.