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I don't see what's the big deal about free drinks. Alchohol is so cheap in Europe, I just pop into Rewe or some other place, and buy a few wines and beers, so dirt cheap. For the price of one single meal at a restaurant, I can drink for 3 days in my hotel.
Yes, at a club is more expensive, but if I was a local, would I choose a club just because it gives cheap or free beer? And make a 70 euro entry fee decision just based on that? As a local, I can still drink at home or at a friends place, so I would think the decision on which club still should be base on girls quality. But that's just me.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;1763701]Where do You pay CIM 100 ? It s 25 in NRW and 50 maximum in Hessen, can depend, and BBBJ for free everywhere. Even if new law, girls will have to work to pay gas for Mercedes and less and less men go to room, they prefer beer and jacuzzi less expensive.[/QUOTE]Don't you understand simple English. A quick session with CIM costs 100.
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[QUOTE=Dufey;1763882]Many compatriots that I know really first and foremost go for the clubs where the comfort is the best and not for the girls. More time is spent discussing the wellness facilities, the food and drink than the girls quality and quantity. All they need is one girl for 50 euro half hour and they are happy.
As you say beer and Jacuzzi included in the entrance fee is all many guys want. Who cares about the girls. One can only fuck so many times before they give up the ghost. Even for your good friends the cocaine NL too.[/QUOTE]I see you are not wanting to own this opinion exactly. Does wellness and free beer influence your decision? I know you are heavily into favourite girls, PSE, and great looking curvy girls. I don't drink at all, but girls sometimes raise the topic of hating when guys smell badly of beer, more than one girl. I don't really do wellness at all either. So clearly my decision is based almost purely on which girls I am hoping to see, and slightly influenced by levels of fresh and cool air available in rooms and whether club will be too busy on a party day.
I talk to girls on what ever subject interests them, I hardly raise topics myself. Sometimes they gossip about annoying behaviour from other guests (usually without naming them). No girl ever raised the topic of a Covered BJ with me. However of course I should know all about this. LOL No no, Craiova is much superior with special intel and rumours. I don't claim to be expert in anything other than knowing a lot of Oase girls' names though meeting them so many times. I focus on what girls are there and how good they can do GFE for me, and if they tell me they go on holiday, I try to mention for benefit of their fans. I guess girls are even telling me some things that they want posted, obviously. Laura-Livia often demands me to know when her best special customer (s) will come to see her. Ha Ha. She gives me updates on changes to her holiday plans even though she knows I will never take her again.
I am away and haven't been to Oase for 4 weeks I think. Feels like getting out of touch very quickly. Hopefully when I get back, I will still know 70% or more of girls after a list study refresh. The turnover is high but not so much for the longer term girls, and much lower than Sharks turnover. Very ordinary girls will struggle in any big club I guess. The least desirable girls are better off somewhere other than Oase or Sharks, as here competition is too strong. Line ups of 100 girls are really a little too big in my opinion. If best 15 girls are there, the rest is just filler for other guys.
I wonder if new girls that look very ordinary realise how tough it will be, before they experience it. I seem to recall even the fabulous Ina had a quiet first week in Oase, due to shyness and small tits, I guess. However her reputation grew quickly. No one could see she has one of the best feeling silky smooth pussies around in addition to great GFE. LOL.
The most puzzling aspect, if an official rule said that condoms must be used for BJ, is that reception would not be able to quote a price for CIM, and customer arguing with girl about what services were had and how much should be paid, would be compromised. CIM is a big revenue item for girls so they won't give it up easily, Perhaps its price will go up? Can't imagine Beatrice never offering me CIM again. LOL.
Can you survive without CIM Dufey? I probably could (hypothetically), but I don't take it so often. I take it mainly when girls' pussies don't quite have the right feeling for me, or just fucked out, and only if girl has exceptionally good BBBJ. If toothy BBBJ, then no way.
I suppose that the law would never consider DATY at all. After all, DATY is surely not something that men desire? LOL
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[QUOTE=Syzygies;1764046]Don't you understand simple English. A quick session with CIM costs 100.[/QUOTE]I just understand how work girls in room.
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[QUOTE=Syzygies;1764063]I guess girls are even telling me some things that they want posted, obviously. Laura-Livia often demands me to know when her best special customer (s) will come to see her. Ha Ha. She gives me updates on changes to her holiday plans even though she knows I will never take her again.
[/QUOTE]LOL. That is funny that she uses you as her publicist. She is a savvy businesswoman and self-promoter.
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[QUOTE=Jnpr30;1763998]I don't see what's the big deal about free drinks. Alchohol is so cheap in Europe, I just pop into Rewe or some other place, and buy a few wines and beers, so dirt cheap. For the price of one single meal at a restaurant, I can drink for 3 days in my hotel.
Yes, at a club is more expensive, but if I was a local, would I choose a club just because it gives cheap or free beer? And make a 70 euro entry fee decision just based on that? As a local, I can still drink at home or at a friends place, so I would think the decision on which club still should be base on girls quality. But that's just me.[/QUOTE]1. Buying alcohol at the Lidl or Aldi (Rewe is a bit more upmarket) to take to drink excessively in your hotel room is a bit sad.
2. If you go to a bar or normal club to drink then the drinks bill do add up. So having a place where the beer is included is something people do consider.
3. Also you have the atmosphere of the club, music, warmth, naked girls that you can have free rein with and get a feel up (which in a normal club will get you a slap or a case of sexual harassment and a problem with the police).
4. Then FKKs have wellness facilities, like sauna, steam room, sun loungers, you can watch football.
5. Food is included. You do not get that in your nightclub and if you did then that is extra.
6. Opening hours are long. 10 am to 5 am for Oase for example. You cannot stay in your restaurant or bar for that long since many are not even open that long.
7. The clubs is that third space for those working men in between their work and home that they can go to. For the retired, it is somewhere to go to idle their time doing something more constructive or to just get out of the house. They can chat to young girls and feel a bit of life.
Have we all not heard the complaints of the many local German men in the clubs that come regularly and do not even fuck? I guess you have never met any in your FKK visits. Just giving a different perspective.
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[QUOTE=Dufey;1764200]
Have we all not heard the complaints of the many local German men in the clubs that come regularly and do not even fuck? I guess you have never met any in your FKK visits. Just giving a different perspective.[/QUOTE]Not me. I go to restaurants to eat. I go to bars to drink. I go to clubs to fuck.
HB.
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Hello Dufey,
I was not disputing your prior assertion that some men value free beer and other things, just questioning why they would do it. And BTW, my question was limited to the free beer issue. I perfectly understand all the other things you said and probably value many of those attributes myself. A pleasant, large enough club with good facilities is a great place to spend a long amount of time, we can all agree. And food too. I Am rarely in Germany, so when I go, I do spend 10 to 12 hrs in the club straight, and I don't go in and out, so having a decent quality food is desirable as well. Ditto about TVs with good sports etc, I can understand all of it. In that vein, I guess free beer plays a little part also, but it is not a deal breaker, and probably down the priority list. Even with those retired old men you mentioned, they are spending 70+50 (for a single session) and in the scheme of things, free beer or lack of, makes a difference of a few bucks. And oh, BTW, I grab a beer and watch a baseball or basketball game at home all the time, alone or with others, and never feel sorry for myself.
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[QUOTE=HessenBub;1764208]Not me. I go to restaurants to eat. I go to bars to drink. I go to clubs to fuck.
HB.[/QUOTE]The outdoor BBQ starts at 5 PM in FKK Oase. You can't get outdoor BBQ in any restaurant of Frankfurt. You can only get outdoor BBQ in Hessen FKK clubs. LOL.
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Market flux at the FKK.
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The most puzzling aspect, if an official rule said that condoms must be used for BJ, is that reception would not be able to quote a price for CIM, and customer arguing with girl about what services were had and how much should be paid, would be compromised. CIM is a big revenue item for girls so they won't give it up easily, Perhaps its price will go up? Can't imagine Beatrice never offering me CIM again. LOL.
[/QUOTE]Blackmarket CIM and a mid rate of CICIM. Cum in condom in mouth?
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[QUOTE=Bearsk;1764499]Blackmarket CIM and a mid rate of CICIM. Cum in condom in mouth?[/QUOTE]We can and should keep it at 50 euros by sticking together on this. There's no reason at all to pay a girl more than that for BBBJ / CIM services. After all, remember that according to the proposed changes, penalties if caught for noncompliance are to be imposed upon the client and not the service provider. So what basis is there for the tute to charge more? She doesn't face the wrath of the law if caught. It's the monger who does. But like I said, good luck with enforcement!
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Great acronym!
[QUOTE=Bearsk;1764499]Blackmarket CIM and a mid rate of CICIM. Cum in condom in mouth?[/QUOTE]Hello Bearsk.
LOL! I like the acronym. I am going to make the girl work extra hard for this, especially after I pounded her thoroughly in the ass. Ass to CICIM.
FiddyCent.
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[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;1763893]This is why I think sex tourists are high potential for business as they are there to fuck with a big fat wallet. They could do 2-4 days at the same club if like the girls there, and that's good potential for repeated business. Within a period of days, a girl a tourist likes would get repeated business. A service oriented girl will bring up her business with such clients. I've had times, I would come back to a girl I liked during the trip. If I was a local, I can always visit the club whenever I need, I'd take my time to enjoy the faclities, the naked girls, and if the food is great and beer is included, much better. As a local, if I'm going to a club, I'm there fuck still, and perhaps 1 or 2 sessions are sufficient.[/QUOTE]
Not all tourists are the same. FKK girls prefer the tourists who just wandered into the club for the first time--these are the customers that are easiest to shark because they don't even know the official pricing. Then there are your tourists who know the official pricing, but they tip and knowingly pay above the market rates to incentivize the girls and earn "platinum customer status". Then there are tourists who like six-hour bookings. If you are a tourist, and not in one of the above categories, you may not be seen as "high potential for business".
Syzygies is one of the more open contributors--who happens to live in FRA half the year---could probably be used as the baseline for a "local customer". I believe he once wrote that he saw Roxana roughly 25 times over the course of 1-2 years, and he admits that he normally does 100 EUR. So that means he spent 2500 EUR on her. It's very possible that many tourists can spend this type of money on a single girl in even shorter span of time. Recently a tourist at Sharks admitted to me that he dropped over 1000 EUR on one girl in the course of three days. These are the types of tourists that are "high potential for business". My guess is the girl will know whether the tourist is a big spender or not, and the degree to which the customer is smitten with her within the first 30 mins.
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Yup, my point was generally about the amount of business that collects over shorter period of time comparatively to longer time frame from a local. Of course this all depends on how much is dropped. In a strictly business sense, a screening process will happen at the negotiation or during the session. Extended room or receptiveness to pitches of extras is the indicator for it of course. Market reflects the clientele.
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[QUOTE=TheCane;1764502]We can and should keep it at 50 euros by sticking together on this. There's no reason at all to pay a girl more than that for BBBJ / CIM services. After all, remember that according to the proposed changes, penalties if caught for noncompliance are to be imposed upon the client and not the service provider. So what basis is there for the tute to charge more? She doesn't face the wrath of the law if caught. It's the monger who does. But like I said, good luck with enforcement![/QUOTE]She stares deeply into your eyes and says repeatedly: "Please whatever you do, don't come in my mouth!" That's GFE for some guys!