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[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2043715]Maybe it's just me but when I have to negotiate every element of what sexual activity I might receive in a room, I get totally turned off. I expect DFK no questions asked.[/QUOTE]Nah I'm with ya BB. Having a checklist and you have to ask every detail before entering the room and still you might get surprised.
Thats why I repeat with gals bc I don't have to go through my checklist again, LOL.
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[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2043715]Maybe it's just me but when I have to negotiate every element of what sexual activity I might receive in a room, I get totally turned off. I expect DFK no questions asked.
My girl at Sixsens won me over since I got extended DFK as we passed in the hallway. It helped that she had a very cute face too.[/QUOTE]I never negotiate anything before entering the room, not even how long I will stay, this week I was at Shark saw a nice girl on the bar, went to her and ask her if she would like to go to the room with me. We spent 3 hours together and I had great time with her and for sure she will be one of my new favourite, after all this I discover that it was a famous girl on this forum.
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To me simple act of knowing that the sex occurs in the context of a financial transaction is a bit of a turnoff, so negotiating (if it happens before the room) isn't that bad. Once I am inside the room, and adrenaline is pumping, I am in a trance. I forget that I am paying for it. But if the WG starts to have attitude or speak of money in the midst of action, it breaks my trance like state and I get upset.
This is part of the reason, I don't do long rooms. Because if there is a break in sexual activities and I am actually having a conversation with the WG, then I am lucid and awake. And then I remember that I am on the clock.
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[QUOTE=Voyajer1;2043694]Providers will continue to charge what (nave) people are willing to pay. Yes, we know the prices are clearly posted all over the place. Information is available and documented for those who seek it. Some guys lose their mind and will pay ANYTHING that comes out of the girls mouth. There is nothing one can do to convince some of these people to pay fair prices. Some of us know better. A lot don't, so they just hand over a 2 X, 3 X, 4 X, 5 X, 6 X, 7 X. More Euros than what the regular rates are. Of course they assume all of us are this nave, ignorant, or uninformed causing disagreements before, during or after the deed is in progress or done. There is also the ego factor in play where those who have been taken advantage of won't report the girls as a point of honor. If enough guys report the same girl over and over and over as she continues to bend or break the rules, any manager would rather expunge the wench rather that keep having to deal with her deceit. Good thing there are other places where this is not the norm. Just have to go out and what works for each individual.[/QUOTE]Sorry I don't understand your comment, personally I just pay the time, obviously I never go for a 30 minutes session, if I meet a new girl I just take her to the room if the chemistry is fine between us I will stay 2 or 3 hours and pay 100 for each hour, I never take any extra. If the chemistry is not fine I will give her 50 euros not a big damage. This week at Shark I was very lucky because had the chance to meet a new girl and had a great first long session with her. Now if you guys you still believe that the service is the same when you stay 30 minutes with the girl than if you had several long sessions with the same girl over the past months and she knows you and may be feels relax with you, I just let you believe it, or may be you are Brad Pitt or De Caprio.
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[QUOTE=Takedown;2043508]It's worse. Kim says she would not do a room at all for 50 euro, DFK or not. [/QUOTE]Is Kim the supposed Russian girl? Great knockers, light brown (with blond highlights) below shoulder length hair and tight bod with fairly cute face. Wears a torn tee shirt and hangs around with brunette Cindy and dark haired Maya. I got the same treatment the previous weekend whilst there for a quick visit. She wanted a minimum of 100 euros before engaging in any room time. Didn't ask further whether it was for 30 mins or 1 hour or what services was included as I felt put off by her snooty, high and almighty attitude. Shame really as she was a looker. Now wondering if I missed out on a good fuck or not. Anyone take her up on her terms and had a good time?
I saw Czech Elizabeth was there. As was the usual suspects curvy Roxanna, Aida / Claudia, Hungarian Elizabeth, 'Eva Green lookalike' Emma and Juicy for all there fans.
Howie.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2043725]To me simple act of knowing that the sex occurs in the context of a financial transaction is a bit of a turnoff, so negotiating (if it happens before the room) isn't that bad. Once I am inside the room, and adrenaline is pumping, I am in a trance. I forget that I am paying for it. But if the WG starts to have attitude or speak of money in the midst of action, it breaks my trance like state and I get upset.
This is part of the reason, I don't do long rooms. Because if there is a break in sexual activities and I am actually having a conversation with the WG, then I am lucid and awake. And then I remember that I am on the clock.[/QUOTE]Ha ha. Your posts are usually quite amusing.
Practice Buddhist meditation to enable the girls unwelcome comments to be serenely ignored. LOL. There are limits.
Pick the right girls. I am sure some of my favourite girls would never do anything to spoil my mood. Fortunate since I am very unlikely to cum in 30 minutes. Maybe I just fail to get into the right Trance or not enough adrenaline.
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[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2043591]????
It didn't happen with me. Since Takedown is the one who experienced it, I asked him why he could nt or didn't report to the front desk. If it happened with me, I certainly will.
I don't understand your cryptic remark. Are you saying club rules mean nothing?[/QUOTE]Girls are not forced to accept every customer, refusal is not so uncommon. The girl can give a reason, or not. The reason can be the true reason or a fake one. Can be as simple as she does not want the business. She can do only her favourite customers if she prefers.
She does not really have to do waste of time customers, I believe. Look for girls with not enough business, I guess.
Does reporting a girl to the desk, really give you satisfaction?
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[QUOTE=Howie;2043741]Is Kim the supposed Russian girl? Great knockers, light brown (with blond highlights) below shoulder length hair and tight bod with fairly cute face. Wears a torn tee shirt and hangs around with brunette Cindy and dark haired Maya. I got the same treatment the previous weekend whilst there for a quick visit. She wanted a minimum of 100 euros before engaging in any room time. Didn't ask further whether it was for 30 mins or 1 hour or what services was included as I felt put off by her snooty, high and almighty attitude. Shame really as she was a looker. Now wondering if I missed out on a good fuck or not. Anyone take her up on her terms and had a good time?
Howie.[/QUOTE]Yes that is her but she is definitely 100% Romanian. My reaction was the same, did not need to ask her more questions. Her sister is a nice girl but very professional and lacks passion in the room, I'd assume she would be the same. That assumption was validated by another client's feedback, pure optics session.
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[QUOTE=Syzygies;2043753]Girls are not forced to accept every customer, refusal is not so uncommon. The girl can give a reason, or not. The reason can be the true reason or a fake one. Can be as simple as she does not want the business. She can do only her favourite customers if she prefers.
She does not really have to do waste of time customers, I believe. Look for girls with not enough business, I guess.
Does reporting a girl to the desk, really give you satisfaction?[/QUOTE]Have reported just one girl to the front desk in my life. Did it give satisfaction? Let me say, I would have been far more dissatisfied if I had not reported. But I can understand if you want to put up with whatever garbage is dished out by the girl just because you don't want to report a girl under any circumstance.
Anyway, this girl didn't refuse the customer, but is quite clearly saying no to a half HR session, per his comment. She is very agreeable to a higher Euro session. As far as I know, that is a club rule violation. When I walk in, the reception lady tells me "50 euro, half HR, suck and fuck". I follow the rules and I expect the other party to follow the rules as well. Why is that an unreasonable expectation?
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[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2043772]Have reported just one girl to the front desk in my life. Did it give satisfaction? Let me say, I would have been far more dissatisfied if I had not reported. But I can understand if you want to put up with whatever garbage is dished out by the girl just because you don't want to report a girl under any circumstance.
Anyway, this girl didn't refuse the customer, but is quite clearly saying no to a half HR session, per his comment. She is very agreeable to a higher Euro session. As far as I know, that is a club rule violation. When I walk in, the reception lady tells me "50 euro, half HR, suck and fuck". I follow the rules and I expect the other party to follow the rules as well. Why is that an unreasonable expectation?[/QUOTE]Legally I don t believe the club has the right to force the girls to accept it, every where in the clubs it is writing that the girls are their own entrepreneur and don t have any subordinate relation with the club.
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[QUOTE=Craiova;2043698]More and more (Oase) girls charge also for DATY extra [/QUOTE]That extra is so silly. It is like a service we give to the girls. I used to have over 50% orgasm rate on the girls when I used to do this in the past without much time constraints. And every time my tongue hurt when I was done. So no pleasure for me aside from the 2% of girls where their pussy actually taste like strawberry. It is some rare gene I guess. But I would never pay to do this. LOL.
(Nobody has ever upsold that to me tho... is it really an upsell by some girls?)
(Now I skip it more based on time constraints than anything else. Or when I do it, it is normally in 69...)
Agreed with McA on the trance you get in. I only do long rooms if the girl is so good that she makes the trance last very long... Aksena (Artemis), Mandy (Sharks) and maybe a few others works me like this. If they fuck too fast they might knock me over, so I might want 2 or even 3 sessions instead a 30 min. But with Aksena and Mandy and a few more they have no issues with pace changes and touch, so then once a day is better and I think I've extended to 1hr on my last 6-8 sessions with Aksena now... because she is smart and experienced... these things are probably chemistry related also...
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2043820]I used to have over 50% orgasm rate on the girls when I used to do this in the past without much time constraints.[/QUOTE]You went to school with YamaYama?
[QUOTE=Pistons;2043820]So no pleasure for me [/QUOTE]So why did you do it?
HB.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2043820]That extra is so silly. It is like a service we give to the girls. I used to have over 50% orgasm rate on the girls when I used to do this in the past without much time constraints. And every time my tongue hurt when I was done. So no pleasure for me aside from the 2% of girls where their pussy actually taste like strawberry. It is some rare gene I guess. But I would never pay to do this. LOL.
(Nobody has ever upsold that to me tho... is it really an upsell by some girls?)
(Now I skip it more based on time constraints than anything else. Or when I do it, it is normally in 69...)[/QUOTE]I remember when I first began this hobby in the early 70's in NYC the girls would smile broadly and giggle and were delighted when you went down on them and treated it as a significant and oftentimes unexpected benefit. Nowadays its only about the money. DFK for 50 e has almost disappeared and DATY is heading that way. I must have it in my sessions and I suspect very soon I will have to pay extra for it. When I do it I will choose very carefully the mental state of my provider; I will avoid any girl who peremptorily tells me "no, 50 e more for that". If she tells me with a smile and a good attitude she would have a chance.
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[QUOTE=HessenBub;2043824]You went to school with YamaYama?
So why did you do it?
HB.[/QUOTE]I've lived in asia. Where kamasutra comes from.
As I said, a service for them. Make sex a one way thing and the girls pussy is more dry. Which doesnt matter to me. But working girls should really try to avoid this as much as they can. Sure lubricants are usefull and they use them. But lubricants in the long run can kills of nerve cells... as there are so many bad lubricants with petrochemical products... so the natural tongue is better for them...
Julia (Artemis) is one crazy girl I share my sense of humor with tho... and she is perhaps the girl I've O'ed at highest rate in daty. Get the daty working with a girl, and chemistry is so much easier... friends for life even if we dont have sex much often now...
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Does reporting a girl to the desk, really give you satisfaction?[/QUOTE]Only when it is her that taunts you that she will report you to the reception. As a bullshit comment. I have heard that twice. So in both cases I responded with 'ok, good idea, lets go to reception right away'
Once from a girl at Palace (ok, I think she is gone at palace now, but her name started with A. Brunette romanian crazy upseller). And the other one was a girl at Oase with big tits. Not naming name on her. The first girl didn't follow me to reception, and just called me crazy for several visits afterwards because of it. The Oase girl started crying because she knew she had done something wrong. The receptionist laughed and just said 'she'd wish'. So I told the receptionist that she shouldn't be hard on the girl because of it after the girl had come over to me later while crying and excusing herself. I think my standing among the girls later at both clubs got knocked up a bit. Don't forget girls talk even more among themselves regarding us than we do about them. The first girl might try the same again with other guys (even if I guess she left palace now). The 2nd girl I highly doubt will ever do that again. The experience she got seemed like was so bad that she learned. She knew she had done something wrong in an heartbeat... and I've read good reports of her later...