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[QUOTE=HungryStud101;2151579]So the only impact the law has had on the FKK scene is that it has given the RO women another bargaining chip for the upsell to a 1-hour date.[/QUOTE]It gives authorities additional reasons to harass clubs as they are allowing illegal practices. Sometimes it's worth thinking ahead.
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I think I give information on this forum, even I can't anymore name some of my girls to protect them from so jealous readers who tell to girls bullshits about me, but I agree with Rogue, giving sexual details about girls services can make them problems with other girls jealousy, like for Lucy. De at Palace, or staff if they are controlled about new law. Some of my very regulars know I'm a writer, for my respect for them and as some ask, I don't give details about private sex in room.
I have my eyes and brain to choose girls, my behavior and manners to get from them, I don t need to follow others list or experience. Besides, all girls don t give the same with all of us, anal sex with Asian size is not the same than with African size.
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[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2151471]What change? What real evidence of a significant change is there? Where are the reports that "I used to go to X, why, and Z, and had no problem finding BBBJ, but now it's gone"? If there was a significant change we would have more than hearsay confirming such. The only change I see is an uptick in guys telling others what they should and shouldn't post.[/QUOTE]BBBJ was the default up until the law change. In over a decade of frequent club visits I was never offered CBJ before the law changed. A week ago Kira told me she wouldn't go to the room with me if I wanted BBBJ, so I refused her. The old service is still offered by many, if not most, but it's no longer a given. The most common issue appears to be with obtaining BBBJ in a 50 Euro session. There's plenty of examples in reports since the law change of negotiations over BBBJ, but here's one example.
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3172-FKK-Mainhattan-Frankfurt&p=2132278&viewfull=1#post2132278[/URL]
[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2151344]The only thing not reporting on BBBJ will accomplish is making BBBJ harder to find, more expensive, and less likely others will report on it as well.[/QUOTE]If there's been no change to the status quo, then why do you need reports to help you find BBBJ?
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[QUOTE=Takedown;2151586]LOL, just realized I jokingly made references to prostates and ass licking. I just realized that you reported both of those things. Unintentional referendes to you. Must have been subliminal, LOL. Nice reports.[/QUOTE]LOL, no offense mate. Yes, I have violated every hole now and I have even had my hole violated fro good measure. I had to like a couple more at LR (see report.).
[QUOTE=Mac75;2151538]. Before my trip to Oase last week I had a scan of the previous ten pages of posts to see if I could pick up any tips on girls and services received and I couldn't see anything. We need to get back to sharing useful information with each other about girls / services / costs in an uninhibited manner without self appointed moderators such as yourself interfering and deciding for us what is right or wrong. Enough said![/QUOTE]You are absolutely correct. We are here to help our brothers. If we are just here to insult and argue and act miserable than fuck it, I will quit. I really had to dig for anything useful. Thank God for the PM function. Right now the reports seem to be flowing and the cynic in me believes that the self appointed moderators don't like it. Maybe we are sharing info on their favorites and they would prefer us tourists get ripped off by Melanie at Sharks type ladies and go home dissatisfied and then they can tell us that we need to learn how to seduce cat-house girls.
BTW - The girls are passing info about us all the time. I have caught them at both place I have visited the past 3 days. Why do I have to be the one that is disadvantaged?
Note from Jackson: The reports must flow!
Let's have some fun!
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[QUOTE=HungryStud101;2151647] Thank God for the PM function. Right now the reports seem to be flowing and the cynic in me believes that the self appointed moderators don't like it. Maybe we are sharing info on their favorites and they would prefer us tourists get ripped off by Melanie at Sharks type ladies Why do I have to be the one that is disadvantaged?
[/QUOTE]It's been alluded to that it's better to PM some info and most who mention that certain topics being taboo happily give out info via PM. Information on bad providers is openly posted so you're not disadvantaged. I'm no moderator, probably always on the brink of moderation actually, but those that go enough would rather not see some people fuck it all up.
But like another poster mentioned to you, pointing out a provider for giving 50 euro anal at Sharks will probably poor form.
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[QUOTE=HungryStud101;2151647]
BTW - The girls are passing info about us all the time. I have caught them at both place I have visited the past 3 days. Why do I have to be the one that is disadvantaged?
[/QUOTE]Absolutely true. Many customers seem to have rivalries with one another over certain WGs, so don't want to share info. Other mongers choose to self-censor to maintain their anonymity, citing issues they have had with WGs or more often other mongers.
Best info is usually shared inside the clubs with other men. At minimum there is no confusion, because we are both rudely looking at same WG as we are talking about her. But this works better at smaller clubs where there is a higher proportion of regulars (although Sharks Sunday used to be okay for this in the past). At certain clubs, WGs that I approach for the first time, will say, "I saw you talking to (some customer who she knows as a regular). Were you two gossiping about WGs?"
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[QUOTE=HungryStud101;2151647]Right now the reports seem to be flowing and the cynic in me believes that the self appointed moderators don't like it. Maybe we are sharing info on their favorites and they would prefer us tourists get ripped off by Melanie at Sharks type ladies and go home dissatisfied and then they can tell us that we need to learn how to seduce cat-house girls..[/QUOTE]Au contraire, the more business the good girls get the longer they stay. So report as much as possible, good or bad girls, we will all benefit from it. Me with my opposing pov on BBBJ reporting is another topic.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2151677]Absolutely true. Many customers seem to have rivalries with one another over certain WGs, so don't want to share info. Other mongers choose to self-censor to maintain their anonymity, citing issues they have had with WGs or more often other mongers.
Best info is usually shared inside the clubs with other men. At minimum there is no confusion, because we are both rudely looking at same WG as we are talking about her. But this works better at smaller clubs where there is a higher proportion of regulars (although Sharks Sunday used to be okay for this in the past). At certain clubs, WGs that I approach for the first time, will say, "I saw you talking to (some customer who she knows as a regular). Were you two gossiping about WGs?"[/QUOTE]Excellent post all points I wholeheartedly agree on especially the mention of the rivalries between guys. I do not understand (well I actually do I have been there been done that and learned from my mistakes) why some of these guys are getting emotionally attached to these girls some to the point of obsession as is the case with one Princess who is not at Oase and it does not take a rocket scientist to figure out who.
I will add to your list of not sharing information is some guys simply develop sentiments and can not bear the thought of a random poster writing how his favorite girl sucked some other guys cock, got fucked by him hard and did in her in the rear and shot his wad of cum down her throat although that is what these girls get paid to do in the first place. These girls do not give a fuck about us just our Euros and IMO guys are best off leaving their experiences at the club door when they leave. I would much rather read reports than guys trying to get one up on another to try to show ownership of a girl or that they are ' liked ' more by letting other guys know they saw a WG in the mountains on FB or another WG is hanging out in a certain city now per Instagram or another WG went sailing off the Italian coast because frankly I do not care. That is their personal life.
Why not be mongers and talk about fucking them and share the stories because your favorite working girl as I type is not thinking of you just getting paid by whatever john right now has her in doggy ramming his massive thick cock deep in to her and she probably loves it while she howls and cums without you.
Anyway along the lines of your very comment McAdonis my mystery girl was identified, positive ID 100 percent and my description was right on. I was told not to post or share her name and normally I would like to for discussion purposes but since asked not to I will respect this guy's wishes who did decide to share his regular's name. He told me the reason not to post it is because two guys maybe a few more on here in specific would get upset and tell her she is being discussed on the ISG which they apparently do not like. (Back home we call these guys White Knights) Respectful of this guy willing to share, I will respect his wishes.
Anyway, for all those dreamers there is no wedding chapel in Sharks and the ISG is not a dating site. At least not for me. I believe in writing reviews and giving back the best I can for what I take, is that not the purpose?
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[QUOTE=RogueNation;2151715]Au contraire, the more business the good girls get the longer they stay. So report as much as possible, good or bad girls, we will all benefit from it. Me with my opposing pov on BBBJ reporting is another topic.[/QUOTE]Yes, the more reports the better. KK, Lanthano and others are doing some real reporting.
As for the reporting on BBBJ, I would be a pathetic specimen if I could only get the services I wanted if somebody else had already reported on it, as Samplerr says.
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[QUOTE=RogueNation;2151590]It gives authorities additional reasons to harass clubs as they are allowing illegal practices. Sometimes it's worth thinking ahead.[/QUOTE]There have just recently been a coordinated string of raids in several towns, allegedly focusing on trafficking and illegal working. Press reports have referred to this enforcement as being made easier by the new law (registration requirements). The new law is said to be having an effect, and (my opinion) will gradually increase its effects over time.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2151528]Your post here makes me think you haven't visited an FKK at all. And if you have, it was a long long time ago.[/QUOTE]Your post here makes me think you have no actual specific evidence, and so you attack the poster rather than the post.
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The question was asked as to why not posting about BBBJ or BBFS (AO) would lead to those services being harder to find or more expensive if found.
This goes back to the basic phenomena that any kind of prohibition brings. During the alcohol prohibition in the US what happened? People didn't stop drinking. Booze was a bit harder to find. It became more expensive. It became the basis for all manner of criminality. The downside of prohibition was so bad that it overwhelmed the anticipated upside, and after a few years was abandoned.
It should be obvious that if X goes unreported, it becomes more difficult to find. The main point of posts on boards like this is to make services easier to find at a fair price. Those who will find it the most difficult will be those guys just starting out. And at one point we were all just guys starting out.
What some of those who insist reporting on BB services is a bad thing are really saying it's bad FOR THEM. (Or so they think.) The attitude is "I've got mine, and if sharing will endanger that, I'd rather not share. " This is not returning the favor of sharing info as it was shared with them at one time.
So self-censorship obviously makes BB services harder to find. No info is no info. But does it cause prices to go up? Yes, and for the same reason. Self-censorship ends up limiting things on the supply side, and when supply goes down and demand remains static, prices go up. It's basic economics, and you can see it in the reporting here. It's not the law causing girls to want to up-charge for BB services. It's the fact that thanks to things being pushed underground they think they can command higher prices.
And it's the guys trying to get everyone to self-censor who assist these would-be up-charging girls in getting away with it.
The more BB services are normalized by open reporting, the more they will be expected, the more they will be easy to find, the harder it will be for girls to charge extra, and the more ineffective this already impossible to enforce law will become. This is one area where perception really does become reality. If you want a reality where BB services are hard to find and more expensive, then go ahead and contribute to the perception that because of this mostly ineffectual law guys need to self-censor.
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[QUOTE=RogueNation;2151715]Au contraire, the more business the good girls get the longer they stay. So report as much as possible, good or bad girls, we will all benefit from it. Me with my opposing pov on BBBJ reporting is another topic.[/QUOTE]Indeed, that's why I name names of the top girls I want should stick around so often. Although I do hide much of the intimacy.
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[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2151815]Your post here makes me think you have no actual specific evidence, and so you attack the poster rather than the post.[/QUOTE]I just haven't seen any reports at all by you, and your knowledge regarding the status quo on BBBJ makes me think you haven't visited FKK's in awhile. True or false?
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[QUOTE=KosherKowboy;2151807]
Anyway, for all those dreamers there is no wedding chapel in Sharks and the ISG is not a dating site. At least not for me. I believe in writing reviews and giving back the best I can for what I take, is that not the purpose?[/QUOTE]It's a forum of discussion. International Sex guide, not FKK girls directory. You'll find plenty of info mixed in with a plethora of other conversation. If you want a template format, lobby the moderators to post a sticky like they do on other boards.
The nature of the FKK scene will naturally lead to more discussion than just reviews. Social dynamics do exist, and by design. That's what makes the scene special. If the reviews of another man's one hour is all you're interested in, then don't participate in the other discussion and skip to posts with the content you want. It takes 10 seconds to skim each page until you find a review. At the same time, I can extract plenty of info about girls and the scene from some of these fluff posts.
And just because you've never known a girl outside of a club doesn't mean it doesn't happen regularly. Whether seeing a girl outside of a club is a healthy activity is another story. I for one have no regrets. These girls have caused me no more grief than civilian girls.
As for not posting info, no one is saying not to post reviews. Detailed newbie posts are interesting and appreciated. Some logical heads just suggest that using some discretion on certain topics is, ahem, Kosher. The few months after BBBJ laws were instated, discretion didn't hurt anything. I don't see people posting specific names about girls who do AO outside of the Dietz board. Why don't some of you whine about that too?