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[QUOTE=Meeps77;1331627]I'm glad I read this because I will be on an FKK trip on these exact dates. I'm staying near Oase but will have a car and can go wherever. So Oase will be busier than normal at night, but what about during day while people are at the messe? Is world going to be completely dead with girls going into the city? I have a second trip planned on 10/26-29, perhaps I should wait till then to go to world?[/QUOTE]The Buchmesse really doesn't effect Oase all that much. True, the line-up swells a bit, but guest traffic is never all that higher than normal for this particular trade fair.
During pretty much any Messe, even the ones that effect club traffic, it usually doesn't get busy until between 20:30 and 23:00. The Messe halls close at 18:00 and people will often have business dinners right afterwards. I've seen this pretty often, and on these days, it's best to get your sessions in before 20:30. Or, grab a gal for an extended session around 20:00.
In the last few years, Oase Messe traffic has not been nearly what it was pre-2009. Too many clubs in the Hessen area, and more than a few of them have "hostesses" standing outside of the Messe doors at closing time, handing out advertisement flyers. I'm sure Palace still does a brisk trade during Messe periods. Maybe Mainhatten as well. I seen fair to moderately high traffic at Sharks during the winter 2012 Messe period. Sure, Oase has one of the more consistent line-ups of them all, but to the uninformed Messe Besucher, it's just one out of several. E pluribus unum. Aside from high hotel prices, I think Messe periods are often great times to visit Oase. Much better than those damn parties.
World gets some Messe traffic, but nothing major. Might swell up the guest numbers on the weekends a tad. It likely won't be effected by the Buchmesse.
Cheers,
Dedalus
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Tips
Tips are a personal issue between the girl and the client. They're no one else's business. Doesn't matter if you go to the FKK's every single day and have spent thousands of dollars on the girls there. That does not buy you the right to dictate to another individual what they pay (or don't pay) for sexual services in the FKK.
Some people are going to tip. Get used to it.
That said. It's silly to admit to tipping here on ISG. Since the topic infuriates so many.
Just tip (if you want) but don't bring it up here.
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[QUOTE=Syzygies;1330116]Its a new girl you are with right? While I often go for an hour (or more), I certainly can't tell up front if I will want an hour or will be totally not wanting to spend any more time with her after 15 minutes. I thought you advocated "go with the flow".[/QUOTE]If, at the 30 minutes point you aren't having fun. Then bail out. 50 Euros damage if you haven't cum in her mouth or done anal.
I don't remember the exact words I told the girls. Something like."Let's go for an hour, two hours. Whatever. As long as I'm happy I'll stay and when I'm out of fun or need a break. I'll leave". I don't think I ever went two hours with a girl. I think I did a couple of 1. 5 hour sessions though and those were mostly sessions where I popped and the girl gave me a very good massage which put me to sleep. Louisa was one of those girls and after she serviced me I was exhausted and she gave me a full body rub down. All the way to my toes, she stood up on the end of the bed and held my leg up while she did them! LOL. It was heaven and I fell asleep!
I was happily satisfied by every girl I met at Oase. Including Lucia, who's one of the most notorious sharks there.
But look. I'm an American and though I travel a lot. There is no way I'm going to be visiting the FKK's more than once a year. These girls aren't going to remember my face and I'm not going to be able to develop a rapport with any of them. If you're a regular. You don't want to use my tactics, because you CAN develop a cordial relationship with them. If the girls get to know you as a nice guy who doesn't try to rip them off or make unreasonable demands. You're going to get good service most of the time and you won't have to tell them anything.
And speaking of service. I see a lot of posters here who routinely get good service. Then there are a few posters who constantly belly-ache about poor service. What's the difference? Same girls. It's different customers. My thoughts are, that some guys invite bad service because of their attitude with the girls. What other explanation is there? I'm not going to point out who the posters are because you all know who they are. The guys who NEVER seem to be satisfied. I know that everyone can have a bad experience once in awhile, but if you're one of those who never seems to get good service you might want to re-evaluate your approach.
Pay sex is not my only sexual outlet. Mostly my sexual needs are satisfied by the "free" girls I meet (I put that in quotes because no girl is really "free"). When I do paysex. I'm looking for something beyond the norm. It might be fucking in public, or outside, or it may be deepthroat which a lot of "free" girls don't know how to do. In the case of the Fkk's, the completely naked sexual smorgasbord on display and being treated like a god damn king by the girls it definitely a plus. So when I go to the Fkk's, which is going to be RARE. I'm looking to have fun. I'm not looking to conserve money so that I can come back every day this week and next week for a shag. I'm there and gone in a flash and I want a good time while I'm there. I work hard for my money, and my job is dangerous (I almost was seriously injured on this recent business trip after the Fkk visit). I'm on this planet for a flash and I could be dead tomorrow. So when I go to the Fkk it's to relax and have fun, and not to get too picky with the girls. Therefore, I don't listen to much to people who criticize me for how I "do" it. If they want to criticize. They can buy the girls for me but until that happens it's all hot air to me! .
Just have fun and do it. However you feel it should be done!
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[QUOTE=Nordboer;1331631]When you spoke about CIM in FKK whats most normal, only come in mouth or girl open mouth and come over face too? I ask because I like come over face too not only in mouth.[/QUOTE]Of course it depends on girl, etc, but in Germany, most clubs call this (extra) service "Französisch mit Aufnahme" or "Französisch Total" which literally means "Oral with intake / absorption", so Cum In Mouth (CIM).
It seems some girls "like" CIM much more than CIF (Cum in Face) , so they really "vacumize" your "device" when you cum, so nothing comes on their precious skin. On the other hand, I know also several girls that "like" CIF, but no CIM at all.
In my experience with the girls in Oase, the good ones offer a good mix of CIM / CIF, so you get a really good PSE (Porn Star Experience) , and the top ones also keep you looking in the eyes while doing this.
Compared to other clubs in Germany, the best CIM / CIF experiences I got in Oase, but it might be also that is because the extra price of this is +50 euro (in NRW for instance this costs +25 extra, in some clubs even less (Berns 0, Goch +20, etc). And "cheaper" not always means "better" (one Bernds girl was very resistance to offer it, but few months later in Residenz, she offered a top notch CIM/CIF experience (+25 euro)).
On the Dutch fora, CIM is always described as FT (Französisch Total), and CIF as MMT (MiniMe Total, named to some icebear who seems to like this a lot :) ).
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Marie
Anyone knows if the german tall and petite Marie continues in oase? Are there girls of just 18 years old?
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[QUOTE=Arctic; 1332180]Tips are a personal issue between the girl and the client. They're no one else's business.
Some people are going to tip. Get used to it.[/QUOTE]Absolutely right. You can tip as much as you want, no issues with that. You can also pay 300 EUR for an hour without extras as some customers do because they want to and they can. I was just wondering why the girls are rarely asking me for a tip. But I guess I know why.
HB
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My Sentiments Exactly! I thought I was reading my own post!
Ed
[QUOTE=Arctic; 1332193]If, at the 30 minutes point you aren't having fun. Then bail out. 50 Euros damage if you haven't cum in her mouth or done anal.
I don't remember the exact words I told the girls. Something like."Let's go for an hour, two hours. Whatever. As long as I'm happy I'll stay and when I'm out of fun or need a break. I'll leave". I don't think I ever went two hours...[/QUOTE]
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FKK Trip. Day 7. Oase
Gentlemen:
Here's my delayed follow-up report. Despite my first (somewhat lackluster) visit, I thought Oase deserved another try. I arrived on Saturday around 4 PM and things were in full swing. Similar number of girls as the day before, with about 50-70% overlap. I still did not locate any of the recommended girls from the board, but there were plenty of interesting options.
Denisa: Romanian: Fair skin, blonde hair, brown eyes, sweet face, great body with natural B cups. She arrived for the evening shift and I knew right away she was perfect for me. I went with a one hour session with much better results. No upsell. Fantastic GFE. What a gem! 9/10/9. My next selection was not so stellar, however.
Aida: Slovakia (but I suspect, also Romanian) : Black hair, brown eyes, dark olive skin, great body with natural Bs. I selected her at the bar and initial chemistry was good. After the "warmup" in the kino, we had to wait 15 minutes for a room. When we arrived in the room, the upsell started, and I politely declined extras. She then says that we have "already gone 30 minutes" because the time started in the kino. I point out that the wait time for the room should not count, and she gets pissed, but ultimately agrees. Then asks to leave to go get a drink (!). I said, OK, but point out that our time doesn't start until she comes back. She got pissed and said that I'm "too worried about time", changed her mind, and started the session (I probably should have cut my losses then). Things improved, then about half way through, she got up and left to go to the bathroom. Really? We ultimately finished an uninspiring and chaotic 30 minute session. Thought about complaining to the Frau, but not sure what that would do. TOFTT So much for "professionalism".8/9/3.
Fortunately, I ran into a few fellows from the board (John Dallas and others) after this and had a good time chatting with them. I was pondering leaving when a different and intriguing option appeared:
Gina: Nigeria (via Austria) : Friendly, confident, with a playful and sarcastic sense of humor. She speaks great English and we had a good time chatting before we headed off to the room. Black hair, brown eyes, average body with a full bottom. One hour session with extras that I can only describe as "unique". Overall, a good time and a nice way to finish up the evening. 7/7/8.
Much like my first day, my second day was "hit and miss" with one great session, one really bad session, and one in between. Only one could be described as GFE, despite opting for one hour on 2 of 3 sessions. I did not find the quality and variety to be as good as described by others, even the second time around. The other fellows I spoke to that evening had similar, or slightly better experiences (partially aided by information from one another).
I personally still prefer the NRW clubs where I find consistently superior service and equally attractive ladies. There still are many positive attributes to Oase (very large selection of hot, totally nude women; greater chance of meeting ISG members). I will give it a try again on future trips to increase my "sample size". It seems to me that FKK club allegiance is like preserence between two other desirable options (e. G. Mercedes or BMW, Coke or Pepsi) ; everyone has their own opinion, and they are all good in their own way.
I would challenge those of you who favor the Hessen Clubs to consider giving the NRW clubs a try if you have not done so. You may be pleasantly surprised! BP
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[QUOTE=Hessen Bub; 1332268]Absolutely right. You can tip as much as you want, no issues with that. You can also pay 300 EUR for an hour without extras as some customers do because they want to and they can. I was just wondering why the girls are rarely asking me for a tip. But I guess I know why.
HB[/QUOTE]Maybe you know why and maybe you don't.
I'm an American and none of the girls (including the infamous Lucia) asked me for a tip.
But I think I know the reason they don't ask you for a tip. .
It's because they feel at ease at you. You probably look like an honest guy who could be a promising (and pleasant) regular client. Maybe they've heard good things about you from other girls. There's probably nothing about your appearance or demeanor that antagonizes their natural prejudices, if they have any.
From my talks with the girls there are nice customers, and there are creepy customers. There are customers who haggle over very simple issues and make unreasonable demands. Put it this way. I NEVER ask a cab driver how much it's going to cost me to go from point "a" to point "be" before I get in the cab. I just automatically assume that he's going to use the meter. However, when I'm in BAHRAIN. I ask every damn time. "How much to go to the gold suk?" I do that because the Bahraini cabbies are thieves and they never use the meter. If I don't ask. They'll stick me with some outrageous bill when I try to get out of the cab at my destination. Soooo, I ALWAYS negotiate the price before getting in the cab with these idiots.
Girls are the same way. Not only are they sexual experts. They are also experts at reading human nature. They know what kind of guy you are and if you're one of those that sets off alarms in their heads then they'll cover their asses through "upsell" and other dubious techniques.
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Marie
[QUOTE=Vito Corleone;1332469]When I seesioned with her mid August, she hoped to leave this business for good. I think she said the same thing 2 yrs ago.[/QUOTE]On my last visit I didn't see marie or shirin.
However she has been telling this for some time. She will quit it as soon as she can. I think as long as the lure as easy money is there she will be in bussiness.
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Still alive!
Just to let everyone know I do still exist. Haven't had much time to scan the board over the last week as I've just moved into new university accommodation and have been going through an "adjustment" period! LOL. I've just moved up a step in my academic adventure here in the uk. Last night was schoolgirl theme night and the girls were dolled up in uniform. The crazy thing is that as a mature 37 year old student myself I found myself rating them in much the same way as I do when I'm in oase. I realised that my taste and minimum level of attractiveness that a girl must possess in order for me to want to "do her" has shot through the roof since I started fkking through germany and switzerland 4 years ago. Girls that younger lads were hitting on here were a definite no no for me (overweight females with lovely personalities?) and even the fittest girls here would just be average in oase. The funny thing is however is that I'm quite a smart well groomed character and the girls have noticed that I have been taking a very cool laid back approach to them whilst the other males seem to be scurrying around like rabbits on heat and only if they all knew I was planning to hit oase this Christmas using savings from my student loan. LOL LOL. I have decided on a complete silence policy regarding what and why I go to germany here to stay on the safe side. I'm wondering if any of you have had similar experiences? At this point in my life I just feel alot more comfortable concentrating on my work; not worrying too much about casual sex encounters here; saving my money and energy for my 3/4 monthly fix at oase but also just keeping a very small third eye open just in case I do meet someone here although I really am having too much fun at present doing my hops over to frankfurt to even be bothered about that at all. Will return to the board as and when practical.
Voyager out.
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Hey
By the way buddy, why you don't try some places in uk. Or there aren't any in uk?
[QUOTE=StarletVoyager; 1332663]Just to let everyone know I do still exist. Haven't had much time to scan the board over the last week as I've just moved into new university accommodation and have been going through an "adjustment" period! LOL. I've just moved up a step in my academic adventure here in the uk. Last night was schoolgirl theme night and the girls were dolled up in uniform. The crazy thing is that as a mature 37 year old student myself I found myself rating them in much the same way as I do when I'm in oase. I realised that my taste and minimum level of attractiveness that a girl must possess in order for me to want to "do her" has shot through the roof since I started fkking through germany and switzerland 4 years ago. Girls that younger lads were hitting on here were a definite no no for me (overweight females with lovely personalities?) and even the fittest girls here would just be average in oase. The funny thing is however is that I'm quite a smart well groomed character and the girls have noticed that I have been taking a very cool laid back approach to them whilst the other males seem to be scurrying around like rabbits on heat and only if they all knew I was planning to hit oase this Christmas using savings from my student loan. LOL LOL. I have decided on a complete silence policy regarding what and why I go to germany here to stay on the safe side. I'm wondering if any of you have had similar experiences? At this point in my life I just feel alot more comfortable concentrating on my work; not worrying too much about casual sex encounters here; saving my money and energy for my 3/4 monthly fix at oase but also just keeping a very small third eye open just in case I do meet someone here although I really am having too much fun at present doing my hops over to frankfurt to even be bothered about that at all. Will return to the board as and when practical.
Voyager out.[/QUOTE]
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Mohab
depends where in the uk you live.
uk sucks in comparison to germany, then again it's better than other european countries.
london is your best bet, many hungarian and polish privat houses are rep001tered around
central, east and west london charging from £80 to £120 per hour, with fs, bbbj.
[quote=loverboyjerico;1332676]by the way buddy, why you don't try some places in uk. or there aren't any in uk?[/quote]
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Couldn't with Artic more,
The English word for this hobby is known as a "Punt" to take a gamble.
The mitigate this punt, we may need to revise our approach.
[QUOTE=Arctic;1332193]And speaking of service. I see a lot of posters here who routinely get good service. Then there are a few posters who constantly belly-ache about poor service. What's the difference? Same girls. It's different customers. My thoughts are, that some guys invite bad service because of their attitude with the girls. What other explanation is there? I'm not going to point out who the posters are because you all know who they are. The guys who NEVER seem to be satisfied. I know that everyone can have a bad experience once in awhile, but if you're one of those who never seems to get good service you might want to re-evaluate your approach.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=StarletVoyager; 1332663]Just to let everyone know I do still exist. Haven't had much time to scan the board over the last week as I've just moved into new university accommodation and have been going through an "adjustment" period! LOL. I've just moved up a step in my academic adventure here in the uk.
Voyager out.[/QUOTE]Hey Mohab,
Thanks for letting us know that you are still alive, we were worried that you died of STD. LOL, sorry couldn't help. LOL.
I don't understand why you keep repeating your story being a poor mature student, why don't get some young student pussy, they can't be all fat and ugly.
What has this to do with the Oase thread, if you want to vomit your thoughts and feelings do it in the
Lounge and chat area! Thanks.
NC