FKK Oase - Burgholzhausen

FKK are extremely customer minded, of course you will never see bouncer, and you will have nothing to fear, as long as you don't start to be a dick head yourself. But don't be misleaded by this welcoming environment and friendly staff, there IS a though security behind the scene, and everything is video monitored (not in the rooms however). I have seen these guys in Oase, they are REALLY though. Don't know what has happened, but they solved the problem in a very discrete way, without any violence. Later, the police entered also, but most customers didn't even notice it. German efficiency.

But these guys are there for the security of the customers and the girls, they are not to be mixed up with pimps. Most girls in FKK have individual pimps, and those pimps don't even enter in the FKK. Sometimes you will see them at closing time when they come to pick up their girl, that's it.

In most cases, there is no direct relationship between the pimps and the management of the clubs.

Also, don't mix up the managers of the club who are friendly professional people working for their monthly salary and the real shareholders who probably never enter the Club. That's why even if some kind of maffia owns the club, you will not necessary see them.

I raised the question of pimps inside FKK, because I found one of my favorite girl I've learned to know in a Frankfurt Club back in a NRW Club. She told me she had left the Frankfurt Clubs because of the deteriorating environment. There where pimps entering FKK as normal customers, trying to catch the girls who hadn't yet a pimp.

Routard
Many thanks for clearing up this point about security, you are right there is security and they are invisible! As so much for us guests not to notice them.


Beffen1
What you have said about pimping has been very interesting. I guess many girls won't admit they are paying back their debt to their pimp/loverboy.

How long is an official German work permit valid for if someone from say Poland wants to work in Germany as a waitress etc and pays taxes. I know that some of the working girls don't have credit cards so there is no records of their earnings or spending.

Hi Tony,

The followinf is a bit off topic, but what the fuck, most of the discussion nowdays is off topic anyways so here goes:

Only those from countries outside the EU (actually outside the EEA) need work permit (physicians also need work permit EU residents or not). Poland (along with Lithuania, Latvia, Hungary, Estonia) became part of EU last year.
So called "transitional regulations" apply for those countries. I am not sure what that exactly means, but during the transition time, you need to apply directly to the foreigners authority in your future place of residence for a residence permit (which also grants access to the labour market).

The reason you will find many girls from non EU countries taking vacation every 3 months is because they do not need a residence visa is for stays less than 90 days (they are not allowed to work during those 90 days though, but still do).

Bulgaria and Romania have completed EU negotiations and are set for membership in 2007. Romanians can enter Germany without visa as of 1.1.2002. Bulgarians can also enter without visa. People from both of these countries have to apply for work permit in Germany.

I am not sure what the lenth of work permit for non-EU residents is in Germany. The maximum time for issue of work permit in UK is 5 years, but can be extended. I would guess there are similar rules in Germany (but I have no idea though).

Chivaz

Well, of course any club can be run by a criminal organization, just like any other business. And I am sure that many are. I knew the Atlantis owner a bit, and I was not surprised when all the charges against him surfaced towards the end.

But most of the people that own the clubs realise that they make most money if they run the place cleanly. I know one of the Oase owners. He cares about his place and tries to keep everything honest. He has no trouble with the police, and he tries to keep it this way. Oase has been in business for a very long time, and I believe that it is because they try to keep it clean.

Of course each club has to have some muscle in the background. But it is imperative that they do not flaunt these guys. That would make the male customers uncomfortable. Even the Hell's Angles realize what's good for business. This is why the customers see only female employees, almost entirely.

And by the way, looks can often be deceiving. I once saw a guy enter FKKW, and he was a scary sob. At least 260 pounds, 1.9 m tall, muscle-packed, shaven head, tattoos all over the place. One of the girls I know fairly well came up to him and made a big friendly to-do about him. So I though that he must be one of the Hell's Angels guys and probably her pimp. Well, I am curious and made a point of talking with her, trying to find out more about the guy and what his relationship with her was. Well, it turns out that she just knows the guy from her private life. I don't want to give too many details, but the story she was telling me was easy to verify, and it was true. The scary-looking dude was actually working a completely normal job.

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The russian mafia is the most powerful organization in the world, it does whatever it wants all over Europe, it operates in the US with complete impunity. I have seen a lot of Russians in New York, the police and LE always leave them alone.

Chivaz,

Thanks for you information. I understand now why some girls only stay less than three months and them "pop back home". One FKK working Russian girl told me that she apply's for a visa in France and then she travels to Germany to work because France is a little eaiser for visa applications.

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Yes looks can be deceiving. I was in PHG last year sitting at the bar and a guy smiled at me and said "Yakuza". He was making references to my oriental appearence. I just ignored him but would have kindly spoke to him in plain english. And yes I just an ordinary Joe with an ordinary life.

This topic has been of Pimps etc has been interesting and educational. Yes it does take the fun out of P4P on occasion. On a certain Dutch website there has been an uproar and furious debate about pimps and sex trafficking etc.....

pimping is a non-theme in a forum.

We will never be able to discuss this issue in detail - pimping is not a profession in Germany, its a crime! So most of us will never have a detailled insight into the scene, because the guys take care that confidential things are kept confidential. And dont believe the girls too much! They will tell you everything they think you´d like to hear - hoping they´ll get a session, a regular customer or just a nice gift. At least 80% of all the stories I heard in the last to years didn´t stand examination.

Working as a prostitute is legal in Germany - but even the citizens of EU-countireis need a residence and work permit. Citizens of the "old" EU-countries have a legal claim to get both, citizens of the "new" EU-countries have a claim on the residence permit only. They have a legal right to work self-employed, but it´s not easy to get the necessary papers from the german authorities - especially not for the prostututes. Citizens of Bulgaria and Romania face the same situation.

Except for the marriage case Beffen mentioned, the "boyfriends" don´t provide legal papers to the girls.

At many FKK clubs, a good number of women have been trafficked into the country. Despite prostitution's legal status in Germany, the underworld elements are deeply involved in this business. In fact a few years ago in a brothel outside of Frankfurt, the owners of the establishment, a married German couple and a Russian prostitute, were found shot to death. Where I live in Australia, while brothels are legal, there is a heavy organized crime element involved, particularly those from the Asian countries. As far as you running into a big muscular guy in an FKK, looks are very deceptive. I am fairly sizeable myself at 6'2"(about 1.9m) and a bit over 200 pounds, I used to be much bigger but lost a lot of weight, mostly fat, and look more cut.

You are right Novize, but may be we were all secretly believing that in this anonymous forum, one WSG member would reply: "Yes fellows, I'm a pimp, and I will explain you everything you have always wanted to know about the hidden scene!"

Still we have always to keep in mind that this forum is read not only by customers, but also by the girls (that's why he have to be gentlemen in our reports), the club managers (these forum's are their best marketing information provider) and probably also pimps (take care of the security of the girls when providing sensitive information).

Does anyone know the present location of a Polish provider named "Cora" who used to work at Atlantis? Black Hair, middle aged, very talented.

She found another club after Atlantis closed.

Thanks,

Mahaba

You can expect organized crime in any situation where there is easy money and a lot of cash. If the activity is illegal, there is even more involvement since you can't go to the police and the profits are high.

If there were no FKK, the girls would be working in dangerous environments and subject to abuse. The customer would be at risk of being ripped off, beaten up, or worse. This is the situation in the US.

There will always be a demand for sex and someone will provide it at the right price. At an FKK, I am assured of a clean, safe environment and a reasonable price on top of that. There are free lancing girls, but most of them are from legal countries. You can always choose who you go with.

Given a choice, I think very few girls would choose this profession. Sure, there are a rare few that are in it for the sex. That does not make it better or worse and I certainly don't look down on the girls who choose to make this a profession. If a girls chooses to work by the only way possible (illegal marriage), that is a willing choice and I do not consider this exploitation.

I don't see any drug addicted girls which would suggest illegal activities. I suspect there are some guys that live off the girls income. There is not much that is illegal about that and it is not much different from a guy that tricks a girl into having sex or one that abandons a girls if she becomes pregnant. There are always slimy people in this world.

I view the sex industry like the porn industry. It provides an outlet for many people-- the performers and the customers. I treat the girls with respect and mostly they return the favor. I find it difficult for pimped out girls to provide a gfe. There are usually emotionally strung out and really hard. I guess that is why I am suspicious of the girls who "process" guys. They tend to be the kind of girls with pimps.

Anyone who does not think that there is no trafficking or mafia element involved in the FKK or any kind of prositution anywhere in the world is seriously mistaken. Organized crime runs prostitution all over the world, including much of the developed first world, whether it is in Germany, Netherlands, the UK, Canada, Japan, Australia, or elsewhere.

Please advise: How much may cost a taxi ride between the Frankfurt airport (FRA) and Oase. Does it depend on direction (FRA to Oase or return) or on a day of the week?

Thanks for reply

[QUOTE=Random Integer]Please advise: How much may cost a taxi ride between the Frankfurt airport (FRA) and Oase. Does it depend on direction (FRA to Oase or return) or on a day of the week?

Thanks for reply[/QUOTE]It should be around 40 euro.

Just a couple of quick reviews:

I had the pleasure of visiting Oase last weekend and the weekend before, and I met these nice girls:

Jelena (or Elena) from Russia. A little bit older than many of the girls, I would say about 35 or so, about 160cm tall, with nice enhanced breasts (I actually like a nice breast job), and a very pleasant attitude. I really liked this girl, and she was extremely friendly, did an excellent BBBJ in the room, and I had a very good time. Twice.

Monica from Poland: Great BBBJ! What can I say. Thoroughly nice girl.

Is there something funny about Sydney (Sidney) from Malaysia? She gave me some strange vibes. Slim girl, clearly enhanced breasts, strange attitude.