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[QUOTE=HessenBub;1701249]It's nothing more than an illusion that there are plenty of German students working the clubs. That is a minority.
HB.[/QUOTE]I don't believe its any of our business what girls are doing in private life so I don't ask.
A couple of Sharks girls mentioned studies even though I did not ask. I would guess Sharks is a club more likely than Oase for girls studying due to very flexible working hours is more accepted at Sharks. I understand Sharks girls can turn up and leave at any time they want. Working weekends only is OK at Sharks.
Girls have occasionally told me they were annoyed by some customers wanting to know too much and the assumption that they all give their money to pimps. Just this Saturday a girl complained to me about a customer showing his attitude. Also girls have complained about stories about them on other forums that were invented by the writer.
So my advice to all guys is stay off personal topics unless the girl raises the topic all by herself, like showing her holiday snaps etc.
Unless we meet girls outside the club, we just don't need to know anything.
I have heard the odd rumours about girls forced to work, girls I have never sessioned fortunately, but feel a little better off that no girl has told me that directly herself. Might put me off my fun.
I have seen girls dropped by guys in BMWs but prefer to make no assumptions that could be right or wrong.
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[QUOTE=Syzygies;1701288]Just this Saturday a girl complained to me about a customer showing his attitude. Also girls have complained about stories about them on other forums that were invented by the writer.[/QUOTE]This Saturday girl and the other girls complained about these forum writers must be real smart chosing the right person to tell this.
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[QUOTE=Syzygies;1701288]
I would guess Sharks is a club more likely than Oase for girls studying due to very flexible working hours is more accepted at Sharks. I understand Sharks girls can turn up and leave at any time they want.
[/QUOTE]On my last visit to Sharks one of the girls told me that once they started work they had to stay in the club for a minimum period of time. So not sure whethetr you are mistaken or the girl in question was not telling the truth. I certainly believed her at the time as there were many girls that day who were getting no business so I would have thought they would have left if they were allowed to.
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[QUOTE=HessenBub;1701261]the phenomenon of exchanging beauty and sex for money.
HB.[/QUOTE]What a coincidence: Some of us are writing our own dissertations on the very same subject matter!
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[QUOTE=Syzygies;1701288] I would guess Sharks is a club more likely than Oase for girls studying due to very flexible working hours is more accepted at Sharks. I understand Sharks girls can turn up and leave at any time they want. [/QUOTE]Yeah right. Sharks is full of female students, they attend classes from 8 am to 2 pm and then work the night shift combining making good money with having great sex as they are all horny little nymphos.
HB.
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[QUOTE=Syzygies;1701288]
I have seen girls dropped by guys in BMWs but prefer to make no assumptions that could be right or wrong.[/QUOTE]Wrong assumption: Her teacher / professor is dropping her off after an inspiring day at Frankfurt university.
HB.
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[QUOTE=Syzygies;1701288]I don't believe its any of our business what girls are doing in private life so I don't ask.
I have seen girls dropped by guys in BMWs but prefer to make no assumptions that could be right or wrong.[/QUOTE]Suz (g) inella has a BF driver Mercedes who gives her a real kiss to give her strength for being fucked and sucking to make money for a bigger Mercedes to compete Hamilton.
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[QUOTE=Syzygies;1694805]I do like "go with the flow" type of girls. I dislike a bossy girl that really tries to dominate the session program, like little Paloma (dancer).[/QUOTE]In german one could say "Ist sie zu stark, bist Du zu schwach" (If she is too tough, you are too weak).
Of course she is incredible energetic, powerful and demanding in the room, but I had a lot of great and varying sessions with her and for me it was always the "perfect flow" and never simply a "program". She is my favorite since more than 1. 5 years now.
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Club fee
I did not realize the club entry fee was that much higher for a working girl compared to us. I feel sorry for them. I see quite a few girls not getting any sessions for hours and hours on. I wonder if they make enough to even pay their own cover. They have to be, or else they won't show up after a few failed days obviously, but it just seems pretty rough.
On the other hand, if the economics are so tough, one would think these girls would be more enterprising, more resourceful and more customer oriented, but lots of times, that does not seem to be the case.
I have seen people say girls ask for a thousand or 800 or some such number to go out exclusively with a guy outside the club for a day, and one time one girl did propose some such number to me w / o me asking for it. I wonder why they charge so much. At a club, to even clear 300, they need to do approx 8 half HR sessions, or a combination of half and full hour rooms, and beg multiple guys and have lots of downtime. With a single guy for a day, it is much easier, may be a couple of fucks at most a day, but plenty of easy time, guaranteed, and no pressure. And yet, the market rate seems stuck at a much higher amount.
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Maintaining a price
[QUOTE=Jnpr30;1701527]I have seen people say girls ask for a thousand or 800 or some such number to go out exclusively with a guy outside the club for a day, and one time one girl did propose some such number to me w / o me asking for it. I wonder why they charge so much. At a club, to even clear 300, they need to do approx 8 half HR sessions, or a combination of half and full hour rooms, and beg multiple guys and have lots of downtime. With a single guy for a day, it is much easier, may be a couple of fucks at most a day, but plenty of easy time, guaranteed, and no pressure. And yet, the market rate seems stuck at a much higher amount.[/QUOTE]The girls have to pay entrance as well, plus tax and if they live in the club then the price of the room too. Living in the club is cheaper and more accessible than renting your own apartment (when an immigrant girl with no job has no credit to obtain a lease).
About the escort service for 800 to 1000 for a "day" or a " night", it is about maintaining a price. A sort of cartel.
Would McDonalds lower its price of a Big Mac because it was not making enough sales? No?
What McDonalds may do is do some marketing tricks or do more advertising. There is the upsell as well like "Do you fries with that?" being the equivalent of having a half hour session and asking if you want a come in mouth. Maybe the equivalent is that if you were a professional, would be how often would you lower your fees for someone to make a deal? Or if you are on a salary, would you tell your boss that to continue working that you would take a pay cut.
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[QUOTE=BrainFuck;1701526]In german one could say "Ist sie zu stark, bist Du zu schwach" (If she is too tough, you are too weak).
Of course she is incredible energetic, powerful and demanding in the room, but I had a lot of great and varying sessions with her and for me it was always the "perfect flow" and never simply a "program". She is my favorite since more than 1. 5 years now.[/QUOTE]What do you mean by demanding?
I guess I'm accepting of different service styles as I like the unique experience with many types of girls. Some get wild, and some are a bit subdued. If the girl wants to have a wild time, I don't mind least bit as they can get quite exciting and unpredictable. Same for those that likes to takes it slow for a good GFE time. Perhaps some punters have a strict criteria of how a session should run or girl's behavior.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1694805]I dislike a bossy girl that really tries to dominate the session program,[/QUOTE]How does the girl dominate the session program?
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[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;1701547]How does the girl dominate the session program?[/QUOTE]A girl can run a program for a room by doing this for example.
"Lie down on the bed" Not even a please. So she is already saying you are in one position and that is the prone position where you can do less if you are the active type.
"Now I suck you" (for 30 seconds) and actually use her hand to get you hard.
She puts the condom on you when you want more blowjob and does this without even asking you.
The girl gets on top of you to fuck when you want to be on top. The intention is to fuck you quickly to get you off as fast as possible.
I guess these events never ever happens to you in the room?
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[QUOTE=Dufey;1701550]A girl can run a program for a room by doing this for example.
"Lie down on the bed" Not even a please. So she is already saying you are in one position and that is the prone position where you can do less if you are the active type.
"Now I suck you" (for 30 seconds) and actually use her hand to get you hard.
She puts the condom on you when you want more blowjob and does this without even asking you.
The girl gets on top of you to fuck when you want to be on top. The intention is to fuck you quickly to get you off as fast as possible.
I guess these events never ever happens to you in the room?[/QUOTE]No never, because I will explain her that I'm the client, so I choose how to spend my money and if she doesn't agree, we leave the room with 0 money for her and we can also go to the theke if she wants, so I never left the room because girls understand what kind of client we are, clients who think with head and clients who are not able to think in front of a naked girl.
Even Suz (g) Inella didn't try to play this game because she knew me from Roxana, before our 1st room.
Only good for men who have pleasure being passive.
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[QUOTE=Dufey;1701550]A girl can run a program for a room by doing this for example.
"Lie down on the bed" Not even a please...[/QUOTE]As this discussion is about Paloma, I am sure that this is not what Syzygies meant.
[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;1701547]What do you mean by demanding?[/QUOTE]She behaves like she really want to have sex with me and demands what she likes.
[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;1701547]How does the girl dominate the session program?[/QUOTE]I am looking forward to the answer, because I don't think Syzygies have ever been in the room with Paloma. I like people writing about girls only based on third parties reports without indicating that this is not an own experience.
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[QUOTE=Jnpr30;1701527]I did not realize the club entry fee was that much higher for a working girl compared to us. I feel sorry for them. I see quite a few girls not getting any sessions for hours and hours on. I wonder if they make enough to even pay their own cover. They have to be, or else they won't show up after a few failed days obviously, but it just seems pretty rough.[/QUOTE]In Oase and World and I suppose also for Sharks, girls have to work 1 h in room to pay their entry, some don't succeed each day.