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The problem with that is that some of those girls actually does do great service to some of us even if their reputation is bad. So rooting them out completely could make some of my / and other visitors favourites leave since their income could fall. Ymmv...
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[QUOTE=Danny227;1935289]No is subsidizing your sex. This behavior in the long run has consequences for the club. Many girls at Oase only go with tourist or Asian. Other girls follow. Look at Palace years back and today. This behavior is not good for anyone.[/QUOTE]Girls with that kind of behavior have been around in many clubs also 10 of 12 years ago. As long as they do differentiate between local regulars and newbie tourists I'm fine. Some can. Some stupid ones can't.
HB.
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[QUOTE=HessenBub;1935409]Girls with that kind of behavior have been around in many clubs also 10 of 12 years ago. As long as they do differentiate between local regulars and newbie tourists I'm fine. Some can. Some stupid ones can't.
HB.[/QUOTE]I will not disagree, but the numbers are far greater today than back then. Oase is the extreme case from all clubs. IMO.
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[QUOTE=Danny227;1934715]Yep, she is very good looking IMO as well. She speaks Romanian with her friends. She 100% Romanian. Maybe she thinks that if she will claim to be Russian, it will render her unique / more appealing as compared to the Romanian majority.
Another tale of Oase: Laura (Blonde, skinny, furniture) took a sweet Asian boy to the room for 100 minutes (no extras) and charged him 500 Euro. Oase girls are greedy. Be careful newbies, LOL.[/QUOTE]Anya claims to be Russian, but blond Roxana or even Suginella, even Romanians, are better in room, not only a pretty face and beautiful ass robot.
On first time I saw Laura Livia at the bar at Sharks on February 2014, she was with Isabella, so I chose Isabella and I still meet Isabella now. Laura and Juicy are smiling and friendly to chat, but not pretty face enough for my tastes, so can't say about their behavior in room, even often saw them at Sharks for Laura and Oase for both.
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[QUOTE=HessenBub;1935409]Girls with that kind of behavior have been around in many clubs also 10 of 12 years ago. As long as they do differentiate between local regulars and newbie tourists I'm fine. Some can. Some stupid ones can't.
HB.[/QUOTE]What was the percentage of newbie tourists 10-12 years ago? Went from probably 3% to 25%. Last few times at Oase, I heard almost no German being spoken, aside from a few regulars.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;1935392]The problem with that is that some of those girls actually does do great service to some of us even if their reputation is bad. So rooting them out completely could make some of my / and other visitors favourites leave since their income could fall. Ymmv...[/QUOTE]They will not go anywhere. They love money too much and let us not forget even if they make 300 a day, that is a lot of money. The will not go anywhere even for 200 a day. That is 5000 a month, which is what day make in half a back home. Plus, many of them have husbands, kids, pimps and what not to sponsor. Also, you don't out them, but make a note to be aware and ask the right questions. I bet that if our Asian Colleague had read previously that Laura is a cheater, he would not fall into that trap. The warning is not about not going with these girls, it is about doing proper negotiation before going with them. We like them, but it will not hurt to educate them. You even have to discipline your children every once in a while when they go astray. IMO. So, this is about transparency and free and equal information to all market participants. Think of it as the efficient markets theory only applied at FKK.
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[QUOTE=Danny227;1935431]I will not disagree, but the numbers are far greater today than back then. Oase is the extreme case from all clubs. IMO.[/QUOTE]I agree with you Danny227. At Oase, there are more girls seeking to dupe a customer for whatever they can get from them. Laura is a prime example of one of those, and Juicy too if she is inducing her sister to fool the customers as well.
There is a predominance of girls now thinking that a 50 euro session is beneath them such that girls will do what they can to milk the session for more than 50 euro by up selling extra services or withholding services like DFK or DATY unless extra is paid.
This behavior makes me reluctant to return to Oase which is a shame as I have three more prepaid entry cards still to use up for Oase.
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[QUOTE=HessenBub;1935223]Sure they are in this for themselves. Why should they bother about the other girls? I'm fine with her overcharging a tourist / newbie as long as I have great sessions with her for 50 or 100 EUR (standard price). [/QUOTE]Danny227 seems to address the short term and self centered view that you prescribe in his quote below.
[QUOTE=Danny227;1935289]No is subsidizing your sex. This behavior in the long run has consequences for the club. Many girls at Oase only go with tourist or Asian. Other girls follow. Look at Palace years back and today. This behavior is not good for anyone.[/QUOTE]To reiterate Danny227, allowing girls to just be in this for themselves does not in the long run benefit the punters. Eventually, with this attitude spreading to the wider group of girls, then actual prices as opposed to official prices will be higher as extras are built into tariffs such as extra for kissing, and extra for pussy licking as opposed to the standard extras of anal and come in mouth.
Further if the tourist market is starved off since they are not happy with being cheated on prices, who then will be continuing to keep the clubs buoyant? The same guys that attend the cheap entry days at World and Sharks?
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Well said bitumen. I just saw a few 'tourists' this past week spend between 2000 and 3000 euro in one night at a few FKK's. I never see locals do the same. Perhaps bar the VIP groups that puts it on their company tabs. And these 3 tourists I saw that spent that much didn't get cheated either. They just had money to spend and not as much time as the locals. But give the tourists the idea that they get cheated and they won't return next year. (At least one of whom is a ghost reader here at isg too)
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After attending sharks on Friday and Saturday, I trudged up to Oase on Sunday. I rented my room close to Sharks, so Oase was a long drive, especially coming back late in the night. I would not have minded going to Sharks for 3 days in a row. But the lineup was somewhat disappointing, and I missed some of my fav girls. The parking situation was clearly a factor, and all the horror stories about sausage celebrations. I had initially expected to be busy with someone the whole day but that plan fell through due to some logistical issues last min.
In recent past, Sharks had been my top club, but I was pleasantly surprised with Oase. I thought the girls quality was better, especially given It was Sunday. I liked the new kino setup, that whole hall feels a bit more wider and less boxed in. Although still too dim and gloomy. The outdoor food facility was good. I was a bit pissed that they took off the paid pizza off the menu, but that's a small gripe.
Most importantly, there must have been 50/60 girls. Not bad for a Sunday. If I know the names of only a third of girls at Sharks, I know far fewer at Oase. Even the faces are new. Some girls I chatted with are below.
Antonia.
Aida.
Adele.
Hadina.
Evelyn.
Becky.
Tanya.
Cleo.
Claudia.
Vicky.
Maya.
Cheyenne.
Helena.
Sasha.
Raissa.
Michelle.
Laura.
There were a couple of Asian girls, one said half Thai and half Rom, forgot her name. Another who looked more fully Asian. Never got her name. Both looked cute.
In general, girls were pretty decent. I think the average quality was better than at Sharks. And the service was definitely not bad at all. Certainly no worse than Sharks whatsoever. OK, you can say that's a small sample but it is also a random sample.
I tried the last four girls on the list.
Sasha. She was in Spain I think for a few months and only recently moved to Oase. Romanian, 25, small piercing above right lip and a couple of tats on left hand down the leg, one has her boy's name in there. Tied her hair in the back into a pony tail. Small tits, and probably 165-170 cm. Nice smiling face. She is not a knock out, probably 7 on face and 8 on body. But wow, what service, she is absolutely willing to go the last mile to please her man. Gave me a quick blow job on the kino couch and went to the room for an hour. Began kissing me passionately, and I gave in, she was the 5th girl so far in my FKK like to have done DFK. Absolutely fabulous experience in one hour, and I finished or else I would have gone longer. Told her that she should look me up a bit later for an encore, and she came back to me smiling again, after less than 40 min as I was sitting in kino, and this time we went to the garden. The curtained chalets were a bit gloomy, so we moved to the far end and did in the open bed with a little umbrella top. Another hour of fabulous sex, although I could not finish - 3rd straight of FKK'ing is a bit too much these days for me. There were a few guys and one or two naked club girls playing volleyball less than 20 feet from us, while we fucked away blithely and blissfully ignorant of them. If someone had told me when I was growing up that such a thing could happen, I would have thought them nuts, but here I was. As if it was the most natural thing to do in the world. What a life. I think my work here is done.
Raissa. I vaguely remember reading reviews of this girl, and don't remember if they were good or bad. She had hit upon me early in the day but I was not interested. She approached me again, and this time I said yes. Truth be told, I knew I was not ready but it was my last club day and I wanted to sample as many girls as possible. She provided pretty decent service, including some nice BLS, but after 15 to 20 min, my man started going soft, and I just gave up. Not her fault however. She said she was 30 and she looks pretty good for her age.
Michelle. Another Romanian. Said she is 25, and has been at Oase for 2 years. Surprised I never saw her before. Her face to me, hands down, the prettiest in the 3 days of this trip, between Sharks and Oase. Body is not bad either, nice tits, and a curvy body but I prefer the Aurelia, younger Roxanna types. But by god, Michelle had a truly beautiful face for me, I have to say 9 or 9.5 on face. She volunteered that she does not do any kissing or other things unless extra money is paid, and I said fine not an issue. Minimal blow job, and she began riding cowgirl, first normal then reverse, and then some mish and doggie. Pretty intense fucking for 20,25 min, but no finish unfortunately. She is not one to admit defeat however, and took some hand lotion and removed the condom, and brought me to a climax. She said "I don't know why you go into rooms thinking it is not to finish, but for me that's not acceptable, and I won't let my man leave w / o finishing".
Last girl was Laura. A new one to Oase, she claimed. Half Rom, half Italian. Really big girl, at least 6 foot tall, and massive natural tits. Got to be D4. My natural specs are petite, small natural tit girls, and I normally reject girls like Laura, out of hand, with extreme prejudice LOL. But something about this girl was endearing. She is just 20 and talks like a small kid, and her English is not so good either. And I had no business being in the club, my dick was tired and sex was not pleasurable anymore but I am a greedy bastard after all, and my next trip is several months away. So, I succumbed to her charms, and we went. She did kiss me on lips voluntarily and DFK is on the cards for folks interested. I asked her to give a slow blow job, and she did do so, really really well. We tried a short cowgirl sex as well, but aborted that after 5 min, and she gave me another slow BJ, and we called it a day.
Thus ended my 3 day trip, one day shorter than my normal trips. Oase Sunday made up for disappointment at Sharks. 11 sessions in 3 days. I used to set a budget of 2000 euro per trip, and brought it down to 1500-1700 and on this trip, just barely made past the thousand mark. Even just 3 years ago, was doing 15-20 sessions in 4 days, now even 11 sessions in 3 days seemed like a chore. The declining productivity is quite depressing to be honest.
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[QUOTE=Danny227;1935293]I would vote further; why not prepare here a list of the girl to stay away from in every club (the greedy, upselling, problems by lockers when paying, multiple reception issues). Maybe twist their arm in to better behavior / service.[/QUOTE]That will never happen, nor will it work.
First, there is no universal agreement on who is a bad service provider. Many people think Janine provides weak service but there are some who think she is OK, yours truly among them.
Secondly, for understandable reasons, guys are happier to provide positive reviews and less so on providing neg reviews. And many regulars have openly admitted that they need to be careful about what they write, because their identity is somewhat blown already. Who wants to go out in the open, and forcefully argue that a specific girl is so bad, that she has to be placed on some "stay away warning list"?
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High spenders are fine and are a bonus for girls and as HB says, help keep girls happy with their bread and butter locals.
Widespread cheating is a different matter. If successful it can spread and make girls unhappy with 50 euro sessions, since honest girls might feel they are being stupid. This is especially when the girls are from one country and can enforce new norms easily.
It is already the norm for girls to try to get a little bit extra by being creative on timekeeping: they very often tell me the small things they do with what they consider not nice customers. These same girls will however give a little extra time for customers they like so on balance they are keeping to the rules.
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I'd prefer a situation were all girls gave great passionate service including DFK, BBBJ, FIP and sex for 50/30 min. But this is a phantasy, it's not happening, it never happened. There's more and more inexperienced tourists in the clubs, willing to overpay as they get less service for higher price with non european girls in their home countries. They are ruining the FKK scene. The girls happily take their money, some of them even specialize in easy clients spending big money. Don't know how high the percentage of ISG readers is between FKK visitors, my estimate would be below 10%. So warnings have little effect. That's the current situation.
HB.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;1935453]Anya claims to be Russian, but blond Roxana or even Suginella, even Romanians, are better in room, not only a pretty face and beautiful ass robot.
On first time I saw Laura Livia at the bar at Sharks on February 2014, she was with Isabella, so I chose Isabella and I still meet Isabella now. Laura and Juicy are smiling and friendly to chat, but not pretty face enough for my tastes, so can't say about their behavior in room, even often saw them at Sharks for Laura and Oase for both.[/QUOTE]I agree. I have had good fortune with Romanian gals, but, also, whether she is Russian or Romanian is not a consideration in the room decision. A weighted average of service and optics are the two main criteria, assuming cleanliness of course.
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[QUOTE=HessenBub;1935651]I'd prefer a situation were all girls gave great passionate service including DFK, BBBJ, FIP and sex for 50/30 min. But this is a phantasy, it's not happening, it never happened. There's more and more inexperienced tourists in the clubs, willing to overpay as they get less service for higher price with non european girls in their home countries. They are ruining the FKK scene. The girls happily take their money, some of them even specialize in easy clients spending big money. Don't know how high the percentage of ISG readers is between FKK visitors, my estimate would be below 10%. So warnings have little effect. That's the current situation.
HB.[/QUOTE]I think the percentage is higher than that. Every tourists that speaks with me mentions ISG. Everyone is doing research before travelling, including us when we go on fuck tours. Don't underestimate the power of internet information. In addition, let us not be extreme with only expecting all the services for 50 euro. 100 euro for DFK is also fair game. However, the problem is with the girls that cheat and in the room after the BJ reveal more information of what they don't do or at the end say 500 euro for 2 hours. If a girl states outside the room the true cost and service, that is at least fair and is not considered cheating. We do not have to buy the service, but putting us in the predicament after the session of choosing let make a big deal and go to reception or lets pay some extra and save the embarrassment. I can't count how many times in my last visit in Oase I see the girls receive money and say what? This is too little. You have to give me more and please what is with my present.
The cheaters do not deserve common courtesy.