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[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2116577]But what happens if a club raises session to price to 75 E? Would that bring more girls and then more mongers, creating a virtuous cycle? Or would it go the other way, higher session price leading to fewer mongers leading to fewer girls? Are girls and mongers more price-driven or quality-driven?
[/QUOTE]I would guess price-driven. According to some people, the quality has dropped. The variety has most certainly dropped. But I don't think the aggregate number of customers has not decreased. They've just scattered, because there are so many clubs now. Tourists are still flying in.
Per 2013 article, Germany has an estimated 400,000 prostitutes. There are an estimated 1 million people who pay for sex each day. So the market is way bigger than FKKs. And the FKKs must remain price-competitive with the other alternative options.
[URL]http://business.time.com/2013/06/18/germany-has-become-the-cut-rate-prostitution-capital-of-the-world/[/URL]
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Inflation in Germany has stayed quite low for the past 15 years, but 50 e back then is about 62 e today. But it is not completely bleak either as the euro has gained strength compared to the Romanian currency by about 10% the last 9 years also. This year the Romanian currency has weakened more compared to the euro than the German inflation. But it is not all to fair to use that as a comparison. It can be used related to recruiting Romanian girls, but it doesn't work regarding those who has already been here. And then the Romanian economy has probably had a higher inflation than the German too. So a price hike would be in place. It is just that competition McA mentions. If it was just 3-4 FKK's it would be simple for them to agree on something. But these top FKK's seems to sometimes have 30-40% tourists. At least in Hessen, and then you suddenly compete with other cities in Germany and Europe too. Locals would quickly move to the other options. However the rld has increased in price for the past 5 years, so a small increase is probably in place for FKKs also. It just have to be a light one. And not 50 to 100.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2116608]I would guess price-driven. According to some people, the quality has dropped. The variety has most certainly dropped. But I don't think the aggregate number of customers has not decreased. They've just scattered, because there are so many clubs now. Tourists are still flying in. [/QUOTE]Right. Globalization has affected WGs in Europe as much as the steelworker in Toledo. (Better for one, worse for the other.) A Romanian FKK girl at 50 E is still higher "quality" than what many tourists can get at home, so the customers flying in are still seeing value in the current model. That's what makes this knot so hard to unravel.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2116608]I would guess price-driven. According to some people, the quality has dropped. The variety has most certainly dropped. But I don't think the aggregate number of customers has not decreased. They've just scattered, because there are so many clubs now. Tourists are still flying in.
Per 2013 article, Germany has an estimated 400,000 prostitutes. There are an estimated 1 million people who pay for sex each day. So the market is way bigger than FKKs. And the FKKs must remain price-competitive with the other alternative options.
[URL]http://business.time.com/2013/06/18/germany-has-become-the-cut-rate-prostitution-capital-of-the-world/[/URL][/QUOTE]True what you are saying, FKK clubs especially the five stars like Shark, Oase, GT, Artemis are a part of the business, you have many girls working in apartments, in laufhaus, on internet with kaufmich etc. But globally the prices have dropped, in the big clubs more and more 50 euros sessions due to the fact the senior monger from US, Canada,. Are less numerous and are replaced by guys from other countries with lower financial capacities.
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I take part of that back actually.
[URL]https://tradingeconomics.com/romania/inflation-cpi[/URL]
They even had deflation recently. And even lower averages than Germany the past 10 years as a whole. So I guess that's why they are still coming to work in Germany. But as a metric it is not fair to use it against them now that they are already in Germany, since they live in Germany and use most of their income there.
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[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2116577]This would be a really interesting business study. As we know, FKK is platform, bringing together buyers and sellers. Right now, it's assumed there's an equilibrium at 50 E. But what happens if a club raises session to price to 75 E? Would that bring more girls and then more mongers, creating a virtuous cycle? Or would it go the other way, higher session price leading to fewer mongers leading to fewer girls? Are girls and mongers more price-driven or quality-driven?
And then, of course, you'd have to factor in the girls who stay at a certain club because their friends are there. And you'd have to factor out the population that only comes to drink and doesn't session.
(Any FKK owners here reading this, I'm available to hire as a consultant.)[/QUOTE]The solution is quite simple. Have some girls charge 50 and others charge 75. The ones that deserve it will be paid higher. Additional tiers would just require too much negotiation. You might even have a girl wear a mark to indicate their prices. That already happens but making it transparent simplifies things.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2116599]But from 50 to 60, maybe.[/QUOTE]Go to Artemis and you will see the huge effect a 60 EUR /30 min tariff has. Zero.
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[QUOTE=RogueNation;2116721]Go to Artemis and you will see the huge effect a 60 EUR /30 min tariff has. Zero.[/QUOTE]Higher cost of living in Berlin no?
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[QUOTE=Akibono;2116664]The solution is quite simple. Have some girls charge 50 and others charge 75. The ones that deserve it will be paid higher. Additional tiers would just require too much negotiation. You might even have a girl wear a mark to indicate their prices. That already happens but making it transparent simplifies things.[/QUOTE]That's interesting. I've seen some sexual services work that way, with VIPs and stars charging a higher rate. I think given the choice, most women would opt to be a 75 er, so how do you separate the two? And I'm sure a lot of the 50 ers might lie in the room. And adding so much complexity into the model. Right now, it's pretty much as simple as can be, 50 E for all.
You see the trouble that follows when there's a surcharge on kissing, anal, COF, etc.
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[QUOTE=RogueNation;2116721]Go to Artemis and you will see the huge effect a 60 EUR /30 min tariff has. Zero.[/QUOTE]One could argue that Berlin's a more expensive market with fewer alternatives. I know of WGs who have headed there for higher rates, especially since many of them are from outside the Frankfurt area -- what's 4 hours in another direction? There have others who similarly have gone to Austria.
To your point though, when I think about it, most WGs I know well are dedicated to one club, because that's where they're comfortable. They only start to move when their earnings start to wane.
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[QUOTE=RogueNation;2116721]Go to Artemis and you will see the huge effect a 60 EUR /30 min tariff has. Zero.[/QUOTE]When was 50 euros the price for 30 minutes in artemis?
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2116969]When was 50 euros the price for 30 minutes in artemis?[/QUOTE]Never. But do you get better service there compared to Sharks, LivingRoom, Babylon or World because the price is higher? Is service better at Andiamo or other Austrian clubs charging 60 or 70 EUR? Don't think so.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2116904]Higher cost of living in Berlin no?[/QUOTE]I don t believe, Berlin is not a very expensive city compare to Munich or Stuttgart or Frankfurt, Hamburg.
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[QUOTE=RogueNation;2116974]Never. But do you get better service there compared to Sharks, LivingRoom, Babylon or World because the price is higher? Is service better at Andiamo or other Austrian clubs charging 60 or 70 EUR? Don't think so.[/QUOTE]Or is service at Acapulco worse because it is only 40 Euro /30 minutes? I don't think so.
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Comparing prices across clubs in various cities doesn't yield much insight. There is a natural cost of living difference between cities which might explain prices to some extent but only partially so (like the Big Mac index). If a worker in London is getting paid twice as much as in Little Rock, AK it doesn't mean he will be happy when his boss gives him no raise for ten years and then says "look, you are still x percent higher than the guy in Little Rock". If we are going to make these comparisons, at least make them within the same region — did wages go up in Frankfurt over time, and did they go up more than the price levels in Sharks or Oase?