FKK Oase - Burgholzhausen

[QUOTE=Hessen Bub]"USED to have" is correct. They have given up the list. Different reasons, but I did not like the list very much. A lot of girls, rated as "underperforming" in the list, were TOP-performers for me. And the other way round as well. It is all about the personal relation/chemistry between you and the girl - almost as in real life! ;-)

Maybe a list containing girls that acually rip-off guests and do not offer the service that should be standard in a FKK would be possible, but everything else IMHO is not worth a byte of webspace.

Hessen Bub[/QUOTE]


Hey Bub,

Obviously you are correct about the "X" factor and how that would be difficult to put into a rating list. I always read the Top/Flop List with an open mind, the same as when I read either "Die Zeit", "Die Welt", "FAZ", or anything else.

Part of me thinks that it is unfair to only mention poor performers and rip-offs without also mentioning good performers and those that go the extra mile (or Kilometer) in order to provide a great experience. Also, the girls who were on the Top/Flop A list were proud of that, or so a number of them told me.

I do agree wholeheartedly that a good deal of this is subjective and that such a list would never be foolproof, but I have always believed that the Roemer guys abandoned that list too quickly and it is not difficult for me to imagine that they let it slip by the waist-side for other reasons rather than the list's integrity.

I would love to hear more of your ideas on the subject. Perhaps you can drop me a PM.

Cheers,

Dedalus

There's not much more to say or to discuss, especially because in the Römerforum at the time the list was updated regularly there was far more traffic and expertise about German FKK-Clubs. And there was a list for Atlantis (and maybe Oase?!) only, not for 3 or 4 clubs. Times have changed, there's an awful lot of new clubs in Germany and the girls (good and bad) spread all over. I don't think it is worth it.

And something else: The girls have not been proud about being on the list. Have you heard girls talking about "internet wankers"? They do not really like guys writing reports in the web. They will not tell you, if they know you are a writer. For the girls - I am not.

Hessen Bub

[QUOTE=Hessen Bub]There's not much more to say or to discuss, especially because in the Römerforum at the time the list was updated regularly there was far more traffic and expertise about German FKK-Clubs. And there was a list for Atlantis (and maybe Oase?!) only, not for 3 or 4 clubs. Times have changed, there's an awful lot of new clubs in Germany and the girls (good and bad) spread all over. I don't think it is worth it.

And something else: The girls have not been proud about being on the list. Have you heard girls talking about "internet wankers"? They do not really like guys writing reports in the web. They will not tell you, if they know you are a writer. For the girls - I am not.

Hessen Bub[/QUOTE]
Some girls do not like it, but some do and are very interested in what is being said. Some of them use the "who is where" from the Roemerforum to track each other. I remember Lizzy having fun with one girl who would not admit she had been working in Artemis, but Lizzy had found out on the Roemerforum. Angelique (Atlantis -> Palace) would brag about her status on the forums to anyone that cared to listen to her ranting. Other girls have brought it up without negative views so it is not possible to state that all girls do not like it.

I still think that many of them do not care much about written about (it is a hunch) so I do employ the same method though and plead totally ignorant when the subject comes up in discussion with the girls. The main thing is though that we are writing on the boards. We are giving reports, but it is all a big mess and hard to find on this board. If you look at the ijsbearforum or the hookers.nl forum, you see a much better organization of information about clubs and the girls who work there and it is not such a big deal to keep it like that with some added features like Dedalus is suggesting. If a girl is a total rippoff and perhaps gets a few reports about that, it is soon lost in the archives. In this regard, both the Roemer and Rheinforum are the same mess. The Dutch boards are doing the best job of keeping things organised.

I suggest moving the discussion to the general thread

Chivaz

Good and bad reports should be based on facts--not opinions. The criteria I consider relevant include: 1) short sessions; 2) restrictions; 3) asking for more money or charging more than the going rate; and 4) being rude.

On the plus side: 1) providing service beyond he normal w/o complaint; 2) couch time before or after the session; and 3) agreeing to special requests.

I remember when Lithuanian Laura (from Oase among other places she's worked) was quite proud of the title of best provider that Roemer bestowed on her some years back... I think '02 or '03?

Anybody know what happened to her?

[QUOTE=Akibono]Good and bad reports should be based on facts--not opinions. The criteria I consider relevant include: 1) short sessions; 2) restrictions; 3) asking for more money or charging more than the going rate; and 4) being rude.

On the plus side: 1) providing service beyond he normal w/o complaint; 2) couch time before or after the session; and 3) agreeing to special requests.[/QUOTE]
Inacceptable criteria would include 1) no genuine DFKs, 2) too much "Handeinsatz" or hand application with a BJ, 3) no eye contact, 4) no communication (you don't have a common language), 5) upsell (same as Akibonos #3), 6) lazy sex - by this I mean she doesn't want to take the initiative or sometimes move at all, 7) mechanical sex - she seems fixated on a routine, will only do one position, z. B., 8) sex which is too rough (i.e. BJs with too much Zahneinsatz), 9) won't take instructions or suggestions, 10) clearly doesn't enjoy her work, 11) no sense of humor, 12) holds condom in place with her hand while you fuck her.

Maybe not in the same category but also not acceptable are 1) strong smells (I am a non-smoker and am very sensitive to smoke and also to heavy perfumes), 2) unhygienic behavior (she should shower frequently and if we go into doggy, her asshole shouldn't smell or have bits of toilet paper or crap around it - yuck!), 3) odd behavior (I once saw someone in Montreal, we did the nasty deed, I went to clean up and when I came back to the bed she was in a fetal position in the bed with her thumb in her mouth - very strange).

To add to Akibono's #1 on short sessions would be: she seems in a hurry. As I've written before, I am particularly turned off when she starts making the bed as soon as I've come. She goes into a "business is business" or transactional mode.

I also don't like it when she ignores you after you've been together. You walk by her, wave or wink at her and she acts like you aren't there. Its the height of rudeness I think. The whole thing is based on illusion and she should at least try to play along. And why should she not expect follow on sessions so long as we got along somewhat? Its just not very smart of her as she misses out on creating a short-term relationship at the very least.

To add to my #10, I look for signs that she at least enjoys her work. Not all women should do this for a living and if she isn't fit for it, she should give it up.

On the plus side:

As I have discussed previously with Everhard, my number one criteria for defining a good session is that her internal temperature is warm and inviting. Maybe its just me but I am extremely temperature-sensitive.

And as I've written previously, I am on a quest for "talented amateurs". Pros can be good but "talented amateurs" are just more genuine. My standard for a GFE is a woman I wouldn't mind going out with in real life; someone who has something to say, is clearly not dumb and just so happens to be a bad girl in bed.

Though she might be of a high Optik standard I rate a session with her to be only average if at the end I have no sense of her personality. I've done enough sessions with women I went with based on Optik alone who turned out to be complete duds.

I think its being able to make out fine nuances in service levels which separates the newbies from the experienced punters. I rate her on her attitude and her body language not so much what she does.

I would see someone in Montreal regularly and she described a session she had with a newbie who had been following the local forum there and wanted basically for her to go through the whole list of services which he'd read a lot about: DFK, DATY, BBBJ, BBBJTC, CIM, etc... It was like he had a checklist. It was the height of ridiculousness.

No consistently good performer need have any fear of internet forums.

My opinion is that Akibono has got it about right for the negatives. I admit that I only take note of negative remarks on our forum, mainly because I have a feeble memory and the negatives are thankfully a shorter list :-) :-), but also because the positives are without fixed reference values. What do we mean and expect in a good performance? But there are ways to organize the positives:

Jackyo,
You may know the site well already, but I really rate the way the Lusthaus forum organizes its TA-Liste (Top Act list) and STA-Liste (Super Top Act list) at Colosseum. There is a posting which has defined what the forum thinks a TA and STA must bring and the lists are compiled against those values from posted reports. A provider must consistently receive good reports to get/stay on the list. Recommendations (inclusion or deletion) are posted. It is upgraded periodically (typically fortnightly) by some poor masochistic bugger like you (LOL), and movements or pending movements are highlighted. The Standard & Poor's of FKK prostitutes if you like. It seems to work, and I have found this list invaluable. (And incidentally the STAs are aware and proud to be on the list.)

[url]http://huren-test-forum.lusthaus.cc/forumdisplay.php?f=122[/url]

The only question I have is whether we have a critical mass of reports for a useful List. Maybe for the Frankfurt big three.

[QUOTE=Toscana]Jackyo,
You may know the site well already, but I really rate the way the Lusthaus forum organizes its TA-Liste (Top Act list) and STA-Liste (Super Top Act list) at Colosseum. There is a posting which has defined what the forum thinks a TA and STA must bring and the lists are compiled against those values from posted reports. A provider must consistently receive good reports to get/stay on the list. Recommendations (inclusion or deletion) are posted. It is upgraded periodically (typically fortnightly) by some poor masochistic bugger like you (LOL), and movements or pending movements are highlighted. The Standard & Poor's of FKK prostitutes if you like. It seems to work, and I have found this list invaluable. (And incidentally the STAs are aware and proud to be on the list.)

[url]http://huren-test-forum.lusthaus.cc/forumdisplay.php?f=122[/url]

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I've not actually seen this list so thanks for bringing it to my attention. I will investigate and see if I can summarize the criteria. Sofort!

I am only familiar with the RF lists, particularly the year-end ones where they vote on a Miss Roemerforum for the year.

I've found that the French forum is organized in a very logical and imaginative manner. Each club is broken out and then within each club each woman is discussed by name. They aren't ratings per se but they are very thorough and don't leave any stones unturned.

And yes, my obsession with this topic borders on the masochistic!

well. finally, highly anticipate part 3 is coming, sorry for the waiting. (warning, it is a long report, you gentleman might want to take some nap before you read it).

my last day of trips (tuesday, 12, 12, 2006), i walk into club at 4: 00pm, perfect timing, plan to have one session before my dinner. since this is my last day of this trip, so i want to make it perfect, hope play all the cards right.

as my routine, i start my first drink is strong coffer and sit on the bar area watching (not hunting), just to relax and hope to get into mood. immediately, i saw my all time favor anastasia (ukrainian), i know that she disappoint some of you as i read the reports. as i always said, chemistry is a funny things, the one work for you, not necessary work for me. i think, one of the reason we get along so well, is lizzy introduce anastasia and staffi for me long time ago. anyway, i waived her (anastasia) over to my table, we were kissing & hugging like lover have not sees each other for long time (the fact was we had sessions just one month ago), perhaps one month is too long for us. i ask her, i will looking for her then do the sessions right after my coffee, big mistake. because she does not understood english that well.

you see, my plan is simply and perfect, as far as i saw all the available girls right now, she (anastasia) is only one can give me perfect bbbj then perfect cim (we did many times before). i intent to save my first session for her cim, because my first session usually coming fast, if i wait the sessions after first one, i know that is going to take a long time for girl to do bbbj & cim, i do not like that, i know that is going to hurt the girls jaw. i guess that's why some (not all) of girl like me in the room, i always consider both our feelings. trust me, rewards is well worth it. for instance, some time my twin brother just not going to be hard no matter how good the bbbj i received, or fuck so long time just not going to come, in both case, i will thank the girl for their hard work, tell them not necessary i have to come every time we are in zimmer, important things is we are having a good or perhaps great time. example, last time (one month ago) i had sessions with staffi (i know, for some of you, she is eye candy, and charged 50 euro extra for over 2 minutes, but she always very nice to me) we both know we went over 30 minutes, perhaps 50 minutes, guess what she said when i asking her, how much i owe her in front of the money locker, she reply " you decided it! " wow. i am impressed, is she good or what.

guess what, after my coffee & cigarette, anastasia is no where to find, i did some surface looking, could not find her, so i relax myself on the new couch back in the big room, waiting for her. funny things i like to mentions when i sit there, manager run so fast to me (i though she want give me back 65 euro entry fees since i am a nice customer, no luck) after i was there 30 minutes later, because she gave me the wrong color band (the one i have is for girl), is funny.

anyway, when i was sit there, they got be at least 20 girls asking me for company, one of them cached my eye and heart. her name is ennak from latvia (? ), speak russian, some english, 177cm, long blond hair tights in the back, see-cup, excellent body, wear pearl jewels around her neck then extend between two of her beautiful breast. most time she sit with russian group. as some of you already know, girls speaks same language (not necessary came from same country) always sit together except some independent, new, or free lance. ok, back to the ennak (? ), i told her, i am waiting for anastasia since i promise her save my first session for her, for sure, i will have second sessions with her, she understood then back to her couch. one hour past, i still did not see asastasia, so i walk around, including out door (not much this day), still no where to find her, must in the zimmer. (i have a great suggestions, let's asking manager keep track the name of girl in the room) ennak keep asking me, i apology to her, hard to explain my plan was 1st session cim with my girl. 1. 5 hours past, some lucky guy took ennak to the room, i switch my seat from back of couch to the front table seat, i have great view of bar, entry, locker, all this efforts is to hunt down my girl.

finally, all my efforts (after 2. 3 hours) was not waste, i saw my anastasia walking out of room with customer toward to money compartment, i rush to her, reserved the right with her for next sessions. in the zimmer, we were like (in our culture, dry wood with flame) super gfe and pse, of course, the main even was cim, her cim (ymmv) was beyond speech, let me asking you this, who would continue suck your twin brother for 20 minutes (make it hard again) after your cim. as far as i know, she was only one did this for me. 150 euros what a bargain.

time out, i hope you gentleman still keep reading my reports. you see, my reports doesn't have graphic actions like some of you but all about how to having a best time in our life by choosing the right girl and enjoy ourselves in the club. however, with all the references (from all kind of forms) and many years experiences i have, 5 % of time i still got it wrong, no guarantee there.

went to get something to eat and some rest, i am ready for next sessions. of course, promise is promise, i went with ennak. this is our first time together, dfk (not too deep), daty (delicious there), bbbj (7), some fucking then released. not too bad for the first time, has potential become great sessions next few times. it is too bad, she has to call off at 8: 00pm since she has class tomorrow, basically, she is a very sweet girl. repeat. yes, but not 100% has to. (ps, i think, i need to explain what is dfk not too deep, when i said that, is mean we have regular dfk. for example, few days ago me and veronica we had super deep dfk, is like my mouth become her mouth, and her mouth become mine. is that make sense? )

now, my next session is quite interesting, and quite un-usual if i may say so. after two great sessions, i need to relax, so i went to "looser couch" (you know, is the one on first small room all the way in the back) laid down, take a nap. (this area, we called looser couch, because lots guy like to set here together, girls knows that, they are not interesting for fuck, for some of us, is a perfect spot for take a nap).

after 30 minutes of nap, my eyes were half way open, i saw this cute girl (she is 70% cute, 30% pretty type) sit on corner of the looser couch all by herself, black hair, 160 cm, see-cup, big brown eyes, if you let me guess, i would said she is from southern european country, like bulgaria or hungary. anyway, absolute not from russia, northern european or germany. remember, i still laid down on my couch, i did all this observations with my eyes open only, so i could not see anything below her breast. (boy, red flags (rf) #1).

so i get up, gave her this eye contact, she smile back to me, that smile. that smile melt my heart, (very very few girls in this business has this capability to do that to me) is like there was this invisible chains pulled me toward to her. before our conversations, i noticed rf #2 and #3, she wear this long black boots and little pink cover her hips. the reasons these were rf for me, i never go with girl who wear long boots, (no matter how beautiful and sweet they are) because most likely they will not take off their boots during the sessions, then after the sessions, who knows how did they clean themselves with the boots on. second, wear something (not jewels) in oase on tuesday, that mean you got something to hide, i was right (later in the room, i discovered), she had this scar due to see-sections, she has a boy, 5 years olds, his name is david. however, we already sit together, i have to say something just to be polite despite of rf #2 and #3. turn out, her name is "lisa" from koln, it was funny, in the first, i though the name (koln) is a country. i asking her, this can not be right, no way she is german. she told me, her hair color was dark blond, both her parents are real german, she told me, this was not first time someone mistake her as non-german. i did try her deutsch, yeah, she is german. i believed her, you see, these day, who would said they are german in this club (oase) if they are not. wait. time out, german girl? no offences for some of you, as i remember (18 years experiences) i never had good sessions with german girl, they might looks charming in the first place, in the zimmer, they are so bossy, like two totally different person. so usually, when i heard "german girl", i will made up some kind of excuses, running away.

instead, we were sit together having a meaningful conversation (no sexual contacts), she used to married to american guy for 5 years, she speak excellent english, i think that help a lots. despite all the red flags, my body just can not move a inch, my heart already sucks dry by her, my instant told me, "go for it".

turning our, she is fairly new in this club, i joking her, she sit on the looser couch. in the zimmer, as you all know, i am a perfect gentleman, i like to let the new girl do whatever they want as long as they are not rip-off or try to hurt me. guess what, what was first things she did before she get on bed, she removed her boots without i said a word. woooooh. this was a big turn on for me. as they say, the rest is history. dfk, daty, bbbj, bls, fucking in between, during the whole sessions, our body never be a part, you know, from one position to the others, without saying word, she seems to know, exactly what i want next, amazing, this is our very first time, i joking her, perhaps, we know each others from the past life. as you know, for new girls, my intentions was 30 minutes normal sex, just to check it out, during the bbbj, i decided, how can i not to disappoint her oral skill (no hands, start very gentle and slow.), so i go for cim. boy. we were so happy (at least i am) when we finished. oh. during the sessions, i can see, lisa has something in her mind (not because me), of course, we are not here to discuss girls problems, we are here to enjoy the company as much as we can.

after some resting, i spot this very attractive brunet (shoulder length, killer smile and body, 168cm, very pretty in every departments). make eye contacts, went to talk to her, oh. she is "mona" from kazakhstan, you know she is like mix of european and asia, but this day, she just tell people she is from russia. my memory start to come back, we had session few months ago, i remember, it was terrible, way too many restrictions, no this. no that. how about no 50euro for you. so i said nice to meet you again, then i left. she is easy to spot, very very beautiful, but very little business. she could be a excellent wife, but that is not what we are here for.

now is about 10: 00pm, as i remember, asastasia told me, she will get off tonight 12: 00, so we went to zimmer again, great girl, great sessions. we sadly say good bye to each other, i promise her, i will sms her next time before i come.

check my wallet, only have 150euro left beside my cab fees, as you know, yesterday (mon) i only spend 100euro, but today, already way too much. so you see, in this place, you better prepare some amounts of euros, you never know when is going to be your luck night. i saw many people, shot of money, either pay high interest for cc cash adv or went out get some more euros.

only have 150euros left, i want to end my trip as high note, ie, i don't want to take any chance try any new girls, so i went to looking for lisa, but she is no where to find. i wait. for 40 minutes, still no where to find, wait. for another 30 minutes, now is 12: 30, i told to myself, i will go home if i can not find her this time. finally, i found her in the last table by the pool, she turned her back having a dinner there, that's right having dinner at 12: 35. not much food left of course, i could not help to know this, manager actually arrange some more food there if she saw the food is not enough. however, the food are crap, don't we all wish "oase's girls" + the palace's food + world's facilities = perfect fkk"

anyway, i asking lisa permissions to sit down with her, she was happy to see me again, i polite wait for her finish her meal because she needs the energy for our sessions. after her meal, i let her have few minutes break, then we found ourselves twist our body become one, kissing and fucking like no tomorrow. she mention, she is going to check out the palace, i gave her brief introductions of palace. gentleman, if you have same taste of mine, grab her when you can, i got a feeling, she is not going to stay too long in this business.

as usual, manager was very nice to ask me how was my day when i leaving, i ask her to call the cab, then i wait in the bar area, guess what, i left my small beg (my personal stuff along with my hotel keys, not my wallet) hanging on the chair. i did not know until we arrived to my hotel, man, without the keys, i could not get in (be&be), so we drove back to oase again, my cab driver called them, they said they couldn't find it, but, i believed my beg still there since this is germany, i was right, however, supposed 15euros cab become 45euros. ouch.

get few hours sleep, catch the noon flight, back to us, man. what can i say, us certainly can learn so many good things from other country, perhaps, we should voted jackson be a us president or some kind of secretary.

until next time.

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Hi everyone

I am a 'virgin' poster on here and an FKK virgin too. I am looking forward to going to Oase on the 4th of Jan. If any of you 'old hands' are going to be there and show a newbie the ropes, that would be very cool. I speak English and a little Dutch as I am South African but now living in London.

The closest to an FKK I have ever been is Sudfass Oase last January where I had an amazing 3 hour 3-some with 2 lovely Brazilian girls whose name's escape me. Are there any combo's of girls at Oase that anyone can recommend as I would love to try to repeat the experience :)?

I will also be at FKK Palace on the 15th of Jan too.

Chat soon

Bok

Hi folks

I just wanted to confirm the best route through to Oase on the 4th. I am staying @ the Aurelia Hotel in Rodelheim which is on the S5 line to Friedrichsdorf. I will take the train there and take a cab to Oase (it will be about 16h00). I will take the cab all the way back to the hotel @ about 02h00 or so.

Is this the best way to get there? About how much will a cab back to Frankfurt cost @ 02h00? Any tips or suggestions?

TIA

Boknaai

The train route is correct. FYI, I usually stay at the Mercure in Friedrichsdorf. The cab from the train station to Oase is about 10Euro. Dont know how far it it is to the hotel but it is about 50 Euro all the way to Frankfurt.

[QUOTE=Boknaai]Hi folks

I just wanted to confirm the best route through to Oase on the 4th. I am staying @ the Aurelia Hotel in Rodelheim which is on the S5 line to Friedrichsdorf. I will take the train there and take a cab to Oase (it will be about 16h00). I will take the cab all the way back to the hotel @ about 02h00 or so.

Is this the best way to get there? About how much will a cab back to Frankfurt cost @ 02h00? Any tips or suggestions?

TIA

Boknaai[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DeepVoid]The train route is correct. FYI, I usually stay at the Mercure in Friedrichsdorf. The cab from the train station to Oase is about 10Euro. Dont know how far it it is to the hotel but it is about 50 Euro all the way to Frankfurt.[/QUOTE]

I have never paid more than EUR 40 for the ride. It is usually EUR 35- 40 I think (late night taxi). I once agreed with a taxi driver to take me from Burgholshausen to FRA airport for EUR 40 (a Sunday without traffic).

Happy New Year all and thanks for all the information. It is much appreciated.

Bok

Had a good time with 3 good cums to break in the new year. Juliette has been working for several months and I was lucky to run into her. She is around 5'4" 105lbs, dirty blonde hair, blue eyes with a very pretty face. Nice tits--I guess around 36C. She knows how to work her tongue around your woody. With her body, face and style you will get hard quickly. An excellent GFE. Edith is also from Ukraine, 5'4" dirty blonde with brown eyes. Slim figure. She was all I needed to end a good experience.