Gladiator
You are a true hero!!!
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Gladiator
You are a true hero!!!
Gladiator et al.,
It seems like I'm reading more reports lately about mongers being drugged lately (see Captain Dave's report in Buenos Aires section.) Could you please describe the sensation as explicitly as possible and how you were able to overcome the effects of the drugs?
I think many of us can learn a lesson from your experiences and possibly prevent future occurrences.
Thanks for sharing.
DfB
I am glad that Gladiator came out ok. That kind of situations is one of reasons I do not go to Help. At least in Termas, those kind of things are pretty much under control. NEVER take drinks from ANYONE!
Charles,
We have met. We had a drink at MPs a few years back. And you are a true gentleman. I hope your daughter is doing well. You where very proud of her achievments. I understand you know the Rio scene and have no desire at all to stop you from going.
Given your medical history (as I remember it), one girl (such as the one Gladiator met) who puts to much drugs in your drink and you may not wake up. I hope to God that never happens. But given your repeated trips to Rio, I know you are making an informed choice and more power to you.
I would never go to Laos or Cambodia as I consider both not worth the risk. I think most people who go there understand they are going in to the wild wild west and take an informed risk. However just reading the report board here, one might think Rio very safe. Both you and I know the opposite is true.
Gladiator,
Thanks for the story. You are lucky. Some of these girls have made friends with someone in the police. I remember a few years ago an American was dragged out of the Atlantico when he refused to pay a girl who did not perform. She called a friend in the police and they messed him up. Prostitution is not a crime. Non payment is.
Finally, one word of advise. Watch you back the next few trips in Rio. This girls sees you again and she may call a Brazilian Boy friend. And as tough as you might be, you will never see it coming.
Stay safe.
I have heard about statistics similar to what Moreyada has said from reading papers, my Brazilian friends, my girlfriend, and from her cousin, who’s a cop in Sao Paulo. I’ve heard the figure of something like 11,000 murders in Sampa per year. That’s about as many that happen in the whole of the US. So these comparisons of the crime rate between Brazilian and American cities, like NY, are simply ludicrous. Remember, SP and NY are two cities of roughly the same size (around 20 million with surrounding areas), but SP has an infinitesimally higher crime rate than NY. My friend was telling me that Sampa can have around 40 murders on a week-end.
This same friend (a Brazilian man) has been mugged five times and his brother was shot in the head and lost his eye in a hold up. Thankfully, he survived. He says that the mugging rate is probably closer to 1/5 in Sampa.
And crime is the primary concern of most of my Brazilian friends.
Now this is Sampa, I have never been to Rio. Though I hear it’s much worse there, mostly because it’s not as spread out and everything is closer together, so you “feel” the violence more.
As for violence only happening in the favelas, it’s often said that the favelas are the safest areas in the big cities because the drug dealers “protect” the residents. Besides, another friend of mine has had her car broken into twice and had her apartment robbed in Barra, which is supposed to be a safe area.
Now will that scare me from going back? Absolutely not. Nothing happened to me there. And I have family obligations now so I have to go. But it doesn’t mean that I won’t be careful. Besides, I’ve been mugged several times in a “safe” country like Canada and had someone break into my house (I lived in a good area when I was there). But nobody ever complains about the crime in that country.
Point is that there are millions of people living in both cities and the vast majority of them live their lives without incident on a daily basis. But playing down the level of violence over there is simply absurd.
Now, the real question should be how the hell do many of you manage to take as much time off as you do?! What kinds of jobs allow you to do this? Anyone hiring?
Junior,
I'm a new guy to this board. Thanks for the spots to stay away from. I'm trying to learn all I can for my frist trip to Rio.
David
Gladiator
Thanks for that informative and honest report. I find it very interesting that you suspected that they slipped you a boa noite cinderella and was still able to function. I always thought that when slipped one you would be out for the count but I guess not. One of the reasons I am interested is because on my last trip I suspected I was slipped one to. I met a girl in Help took her back to my apartment and when we entered the apartment I locked the door from the inside and I hid the key. We had some drinks and I got up to take my pants off and I fell hard on the floor right after that I fell sound asleep. I had no interaction with the garota at all. Now if she was smart the first thing she would have done is test her exit strategy while I was out for the count, she did not find the key so the only way out of my apartment is if I opened the door for her so she would be stupid to rob me, she was stuck. A couple of hours had passed while I was sleeping then she woke me up and told me she wanted to leave. I never fall asleep with a girl in the room without doing anything this was a first. Before I let her out I made sure everything was secure and it was. I don't think she left happy but I wondered what had really went on that night and your report has helped me put some pieces together. Cuidado (Be carefull) in Rio guys, this can't happen in a hotel because they keep their identification at the front desk and when they leave they call to check if your ok, in an apartment your on your own so hide the key.
Guys:
Rio is not the only place this thing can happen. Recently, similar situation was experienced by one of our friends in Buneous Aires. Read the 1/1/04 report by Capt. Dave in the Argentina Board under the General Info section. He was totally cleaned out. I think apratment living makes you somewhat vulnerable as compared to staying in a hotel with security. Rio Bob, you were very smart to hide the key. In fact, that was also Jackson's suggestion for this kind of situation. Safe mongering everybody!
Bandy
Dick for Brains,
The effect of the drug was just making me sleepy, that's why at the beginning I found nothing suspicious as I hadn't slept much lately. Also, I had been drinking beers and whisky from around 11 pm till we left Help, I wasn't really drunk but there was enough alcohol running through my veins to make me more vulnerable and prevent me from realising I had been drugged.
The drug itself was fine, it made me feel relaxed and sleepy, I had never tried a drug like that before. The critical moment was when I started dozing off in the sofa, with the 2 chicks talking and all the lights off, and I stood up and went to my bedroom. While I was in my bedroom thinking out what to do next I felt really sleepy, I thought for a moment that I might just fall asleep even being standing up, but somehow I managed to keep awake and proceed with my plan.
When I went out of my bedroom into the living room, as I explained, I told the hardcore to leave because it was too late and I turned on all the lights in the apartment. I also opened the door, so that the hardcore could understand that she definitely had to leave soon. It took around 15-20 minutes for the hardcore to leave since I came out of my bedroom as she was finishing her drink, going to the bathroom, etc. So that was the critical period over which I felt the knock-out drug effect was actually at its highest and then it started to stabilize, i.e. I was feeling more awake, more in control. There was a moment before the hardcore left when she told me 'you look very tired, why don't you go to sleep?' I replied 'I'll go to sleep after fucking your friend'. That was just another piece of evidence against them in my mind. When the hardcore finally left I was positive that I wouldn't fall asleep, even though I still felt a bit sleepy.
There was no problem starting having fun with the sweetie, I was still horny. I suggested taking a shower first but she refused strongly, obiously a shower would contribute to wake up his victim (more evidence), so she started with the BBBJ without even having had a shower.
I also thought that knock-out drugs took effect abruptly, I've read some reports on this board and that was always the case, but that wasn't my experience. They might have just given me a lighter dose, although the key factor was realising in time and stopping drinking.
After hitting hard the chicks, when all had finished and I was just waiting for the police, I felt my mouth and throat extremely dry and I also had very red eyes. These were both aftereffects from the drug, I haven't got any doubt. For the rest, I was fine, only a bit concerned about what action the corrupted Rio police would take. But the doorman explained to me the following day that they didn't even call the police as they convinced the chicks to leave so as to avoid further problems, and that was it.
I talked to the doorman and one neighbour the next day, explained to them what had happened and apologised for all the hassle, and they were great, very understanding, they seemed to have no doubt that I was telling the truth, they just told me that they have heard that from time to time some tourists are robbed by chicks employing knock-out drugs. The doorman even congratulated me for having hit back both chicks when they attacked me. He said they wouldn't have stopped otherwise.
Anyway, that was a good lesson from which I learnt that I must not take chances with freelancers and security must be tight regarding drinks. At the beginning of my hunting career I was very careful with drinks and freelancers, but after having picked up plenty of freelancers with no problems at all in that respect I kind of relaxed the security measures up to the point that my control over drinks was finally minimum or even inexistent. From now on I will step up security again to avoid problems. It doesn't really take any effort keeping an eye on what you drink.
It's also true that this can happen in any country, it's not just Brazil.
In Rio I suppose knock-out drug chicks will target only those of us who stay in apartments, as hotels require ID's and don't give them back till they call you back to see if all is OK, so saying you're staying in a hotel should be an effective way to avoid being a target: they'd probably move on to look for a new victim.
Gladiator
Your right about relaxing security, I find this happens every so often. Things are going so good for a long time and you put your guard down. This has happened to me on several occasions and then something happens and Bam your like whats the matter with me I know better than that.
Actually one time I was in Barbarellas and I was talking to a garota and I was having a drink. I went to the mens room and took my drink with me for security reasons. She commented to me on the way back why I took my drink with me. I told her because I was worried about somebody slipping me a micky a boa noite cindarella. She told me that she thought I was taking the drink with me so I had something to use to swallow drugs down with. Then she told me that she doesn't understand what everybody is worried about. But now we know better don't we?
I am going to continue to use apartments and I am going to continue to hide my key and everything else. Usually after we enter the room and then the garota goes to the bathroom, I hide everything except the money I am going to give her while she is in the bathroom. Thats the only thing I keep in my pocket so if anything does happen then the only thing she can get is the money she was going to get anyway.
Driving in Brazil:
There has been some discussion in the forum about cabs versus rental cars so I thought I'd offer this insight. I always rent cars, everywhere I travel, because I like the flexibility and I hate being ripped off by cab drivers. It's also the best way to get to know an area like a local. In Brazil, car rentals are dirt cheap. Someone mentioned that rates are 100 R per day. That's ridiculous! They're under 50 R/day if you go through Expedia, and less still if you know the local off airport rental agencies.
What you do need to know are your rights as a driver. First of all, you do not need an international driver license in Brazil if your stay is less than 6 months. Even the car rental agencies get this wrong sometimes. I got stopped by a policeman one day, who threatened me with a 5000 R fine for not having an international license (I didn't have a way to check him out), so I bribed him 200 R. Later, I found out that the going rate for a bribe is 50 R, plus found out that the international license thing was a scam.
Parking on the streets is organized chaos, but it works. You pay generally 2 R for parking everywhere on the street (if they ask for more, I still give them 2R). Sometimes you get a receipt, sometimes not. I've never had a problem with any of the parking urchins, and sometimes I've parked for free.
There are also lots all over Rio, and they're pretty reasonable, like 10 R for all day in Ipanema.
Despite the corrupt cops, bad traffic, and lack of street parking, I will continue renting a car because it helps me to discover the area at my own pace in my own way. And if I feel like driving to Barra da Tijuca, Centro, Niteroi, Buzios, Angra dos Reis, or even Sao Paulo, I can do that without having to make complicated arrangements.
>> so I bribed him 200 R
So you really came out ahead there, didn't you?
You could just go to the AAA and get an Americas license for a few bucks, and then you wouldn't get shaken down like that. I disagree with your statement that this isn't "required", and your own story seems to prove that in fact it is.
I read somewhere that Brazil doesn't even recognize international liscenses. Maybe this cop was trying to get you on a shakedown.
Driving in Brazil:
It is correct that a small Fiat Punto without AC costs around 50 Reis. Usually the car rental companies like to sell you also a theft insurance which will cost you another 30 Reis. Otherwise they will block on your credit card an amount of the value of car, which is usually around 10.000 Reis. After you return the car, there is no extra charge.
It is correct that as a visitor you do not need an International Driving Licence. The police is very often trying to get money from you. Very often they work together with these little hoodlums which are hanging around at the traffic lights. One time, when I stopped at a red traffic light at Avenida Atlantica one of these little bastards came to my car-window and demanded money. I told him to f**k off. This little bastard signaled to a traffic cop, the cop came over and told me that it is mandatory in Brazil to buckle up (which it is but nobody does it in Rio) and that he has to fine me 500 Reis. I told him to shove it up his a** and simply drove off. What can this guy do? Charge you with what? Simply ignore it and get away. Never start an argument or get out of the car. In the car you are faster than a cop by foot with a note-pad. Remember this!
Usually I rent a car if I stay longer in Rio in order to venture around. Last time I had only 4 days in Rio and therefore I used the taxis. As I know my way around the taxi drivers do not have a chance to rip me off. One con-artist tried it but I simply paid him what the usual charge is and walked off. I ended up paying a little less for taxis than what I would have paid for 4 days car rental. One benefit was also that I did not have to look every time for a parking lot and you know that during the day at the Copa it is difficult to get a parking lot.
Carlos
[blue]Great advice Carlos! I've been utilizing these same strategies for years, especially the cop on foot trying to give me a ticket. I remember driving in the DR a couple of years ago, and at every small town there would be a cop standing on the site of the main street just looking for white faces driving rental cars. Once he spotted you, he would waive you over to initiate the extraction of funds. This is typically very easy given the pussified nature of most Americans traveling in a foreign country. Fortunately I learned a long time ago what their game was, so now I just wave back and keep on driving. HA HA!
Jackson[/blue]