And if you do decide to tie the knot. regardless of what country she is from, recommend that you get a notarized, legal pre-nuptial agreement.
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And if you do decide to tie the knot. regardless of what country she is from, recommend that you get a notarized, legal pre-nuptial agreement.
The Flying Scotsman,
Thank you for your kind words. I hope that I did not write anything that would be offensive to an individual such as you who is happily married to a Filipina or Thai.
The entire subject of marrying a girl from a country and a culture other than one’s own is fraught with high risk and high reward. I would like to congratulate you and your significant other on a difficult job well done.
In my limited experience with these matters, I think that relationships with Filipinas are often more successful than with Thais for a multitude of reasons.
The first reason is that the Republic of the Philippines is a significantly more westernized society than the other Asian nations. The long period of Spanish colonization left a legacy of a western religion and a national language that is heavily influenced by the Spanish language. Combine this with the American occupation; militarily, economically and pop-culturally, and you are left with arguably the most western county in Asia.
I love the Asian culture, but a real problem I have with mongering in Thailand is that by the time the girl speaks decent English, she has already been in the business too long and is well on her way to be jaded. The widespread adoption of the English language is another reason why relationships with Filipina have a higher probability of success than with many other Asian nationals. The Filipinas tend to do a better job of communicating with their western husband/boyfriend than the Thai girls. They are also in a better position to obtain employment level proficiency at a relatively rapid pace in the West. Much of their post secondary education is based on US guidelines and is taught in English. The medical programs in the Phils, especially nursing is so highly regarded in the US and parts of Europe that their graduates are actively recruited in the Phils by US hospitals.
However, I think that the single most significant difference that gives marrying a Filipina a higher likelihood of success than marrying a Thai is the cultural attitude towards ones’ native country. The Thai’s seem to be extremely nationalistic, they are very proud of the fact that the Kingdom of Thailand has never been colonized by a foreign power. The Thais as a people just don’t have a burning desire to immigrate to the West. In contrast, many Filipinas have embraced Western culture and are extremely eager to immigrate to a Western country. This willingness to move abroad is undeniable to anyone who has spent any time in Southern California or even Hong Kong for that matter with the literally thousands of domestic helpers living and working in that city.
In closing, I guess I should state the obvious; I am a hard core Filipina lover. I never cease to be amazed at how much hardship the Filipinas endure and still maintain such a cheerful, positive outlook on life. We should ALL thank Buddha for the Filipina, one of the last best things on this planet.
--Bangkok Jim
Better Loving Through Chemistry; San Miguel Beer, Vitamin V and Filipinas
Three X,
Seen the board you mentioned. I'm too graphic to be in there. I'd rather stay here. Another thing, I'm no foreigner. Like one old fart's saying "To understand one is to be one."
Thanks anyways.
Gentlemen,
I've hobbied extensively in China and HK, but lately, I find my tastes heading more in the direction of SE Asia. In the next few years, I have made it a goal to visit the PI, Indonesia (Jakarta), and Thailand, never having visited any of these places. What I am looking for is a girlfriend experience with an early to mid 20's woman, who I can hang out with throughout my trip - I'm a 40 y.o. American. Which of these places do you think offers the best opportunity for what I'm looking for? Which has the most beautiful girls? Which has girls who are least hung up on age differences? Where among these places is it easiest to find what I'm looking for? Based on what I've read and seen on the net, I'm leaning towards Jakarta. Those Indonesian/Malay girls are just so beautiful. But are they easily attainable for more than just short time?
Crazy questions, I know. Appreciate any advice you can give.
To bangkok Jim.... definitely no offence taken....in fact, to say i agree with you would be an understatement, for someone who has a Filipina wife and a filipina g/f in the UK, and several regulars in the Phils :) you could say im addicted..!!
keep up the great posts.
The Flying Scotsman
Macauman,
The original religious war, Thai Girls vs. Filipinas, with a new twist thrown in just to make sure that none of us will agree, the exotic Indo girls.
In your post, you focused solely on the girls themselves, if this is your only selection criteria I would say that the Filipinas are by far your best choice. However, I would also recommend that you take into consideration each of the countries infrastructure, safety and possibly activities other than mongering. When you take all of these into account, the choice of the Phils is less of a slam dunk.
I have hobbied in The Phils and in Thailand, but my only experience with Indo girls has been in Singapore and Hong Kong. I have always found that these exotic delights are more appealing when enjoyed in their home country, so my experience with the Indo girls is not equivalent with my Thai and Filipina experiences. By the way, if your only Asian hobbying experiences are with Chinese pros, you are going to very pleasantly surprised by level of GFE you will get out of the Filipinas.
Addressing your question individually.
“What I am looking for is a girlfriend experience…” I think that this is a slam dunk factor in favor of the Filipinas. The problem with the Thais and the Indo girls is that by the time they have sufficient English language skills for a true GFE, they have been in the business too long, and they have heard so many bull-shit lines from foreigners that they can’t help but being jaded. With the Filipinas, you can literally be the first foreigner that these girls have ever boom-boomed, and they still have adequate English skills. The Filipinas are so tuned into American pop culture that they usually know more of what is going on in pop music than I do.
Another factor that makes it much easier to find the GFE in the Phils is the simple fact that many of the girls in the business are there specifically with the intent of marrying a foreigner and emigrating to the West. Most of these Filipinas do not even think of themselves as being prostitutes, and would actually be seriously upset if they realized how most of the Westerners view them. On the other hand, the Thais do not share this desire to move to the West, they are very nationalistic and they are much more focused on the financial aspects of the business. As they say in Thailand, “Their business is pleasure, and their pleasure is business.”
“Which has the most beautiful girls? “ Personally, I would give this one to the Thai girls. They tend to be smaller wasted and smaller boned that the Filipinas or the Indo girls. That is to say, that if you go into go-go bar with 100 girls in the Phils or Thailand, I think that a higher percentage of the girls will be stunners in Thailand. But I actually don’t think that is a matter of importance, we don’t need 100 stunners in a bar, we need 1 or 2 or 3, how ever many we are going bar-fine and in my experience there is always plenty of extremely beautiful girls in all of the larger go-go bars in the Phils or in Thailand. In your post you mention that you find the Indonesian/Malay girls to be beautiful, are you aware that the Philippinos are also of Malay decent? Another factor that I like about the Phils over Thailand is that the Thais, although often very beautiful, tend to look very similar. In contrast, the Filipinas from the various provinces tend to have significantly different features which contributes to more of a sense of variety.
“Which has girls who are least hung up on age differences? “ I am not sure that the age thing is really an issue in any of the countries; it certainly is no problem in the Phils where it is very common to see 50 or 60 year old foreigners with 20 year old non-bar girls.
As I mentioned previously, you may also want to take into account some factors in addition to the girls. I would give Thailand the top marks for transportation infrastructure, food, cultural activities, and safety. Obviously Indonesia, especially in the areas with large numbers of Westerners such as Jakarta and Bali, is potentially more dangerous than Thailand or the areas frequented by sex tourist (Angeles, Manila and Cebu) in the Phils.
The bottom line is that you can’t go wrong in Pattaya or Angeles, your biggest problem is going to be choosing amongst the 100s of girls who would love to join you on your holiday.
Let us know how it goes,
Travel to Monger (Bangkok Jim)
Better Loving Through Chemistry; San Miguel Beer, Vitamin V and Filipinas
Travel to Monger,
Thanks for the advice. It looks like the Phils will definitely be at the top of my agenda!
Travel to Monger
Excellent posts. You raised a number of issues I've been mulling over. I'm a bit younger than most, finishing my MBA hoping to work for an IB that has offices in the Phils. I was hoping to snag a honey-ko and if I can find the right one make a wife of her. You have definately articulated some things I need to think about. I'll be making my first trip to the Phils the coming March. I may pay a visit to that IB office there see if they'll pay me a decent rate to start there then migrate back to the U.S. later. Well enough of my life story. Thanks for the posts, keep them coming.
Jamal
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Travel to Monger:
Thanks for your accurate and articulate post. In general, I would agree with your conclusions, however, as one who is just experiencing the Philippines long-term for the first time, I have found the Filipinas (of the non-bar girld variety) much more jealous than their counterparts in Thailand> As you said however, the Thais are much more mercenary than the ladies here.
I would like to weigh in on behalf of Indonesia, where I spent several years. It's true that the general lack of English language skills severely limits the ability to interact with the ladies. On the other hand, most of the university-educated women have adequate English, and they too are readily available to the horny foreign mail. Just walking into a large department store, restaurant, office or other gathering place, and chatting pleasantly with an attractive lady is often enough to gain you a partner for the week-end. Like the Filipinas, these ladies are mainly looking for an alternative to local men, and money is not a pressing issue. I would rate the Filipina vs. Indonesian issue as a toss up. Further, unless you find a university-educated girl in the Philippines (admittedly not a difficult task) the English language skills are likely to be pretty limited as well if you seek to go beyond very basic communications. Finally, given the recent spate of ethnic violence in the Philippines, and the glut of violent kidnapping of foreigners for ransom, I'm not sure that Indonesia is any more dangerous.
I do agree with your point about the physical variety of Filipinas from various provimces, but would like to point out that you find the same sort of diversity in Indonesia; perhaps to an even greater extent.
goodenough wrote:> [...] given the recent spate of ethnic violence in the philippines, and the glut of violent kidnapping of foreigners for ransom [...]
huh? *what* "glut of violent kidnapping of foreigners"? why haven't i heard of that on the news or in the papers or on the street _here_in_phils_? true there was the abu sayef nonsense down in mindanao a few _years_ ago and there's the mnla (or whatever) in the mountains who seem to have a deal with the government to behave in exchange for their lives, but really, you would go _there_ looking for trouble anyway?
yes, there have been some kidnappings recently - after all they have to fund the election campaigns somehow, but those were 100% (read: *all*) filipinos. most of those were chinese filipinos since they don't complain, they just pay. further, since they caught the doctor leading one of the major kidnapping groups and a few others, the whole mess seems to have virtually stopped now.
we have this ongoing debate, asawa ko & i. she thinks i'm a prime candidate for kidnapping. she's probably right if she's thinking about me being kidnapped and raped by attractive horny young filipinas, and that might just be a real factor in her opinion. but kidnap a *foreigner* for ransom? create an international incident guaranteed to get the kidnappers dead fast? they're not that stupid! they want money, not their funeral. that's why those not already hunted down now pick on low-profile family people to maybe extort 50,000pesos (translation: less than $1000us) with minimal hassle. you should worry more about being accused of j-walking by the mmda (translation: manila traffic cops).
everyone who lives here that i talk to agrees that obvious (non-chinese) foreigners are probably safer in phils than in north american city centers, always of course excepting truly stupid people who are never safe anywhere.
the wife of course prefers that i don't talk to cute female neighbours in front of our house, just in case.
CanContrib nice report. Humorous and very true..!!
CanContrib:
I agree that the threat is not substantial for foreigners. However, I did have a white, American colleague who was kidnapped last year, physically mutiliated and eventually released after his company paid a ransom. Not only that, but he was taken from an upscale shopping mall, in the middle of the day in Makati. Obviously whoever took him didn't "know better." The threat is marginal, but it does exist.
Need some advice, guys.
I found out one of my managers niteowls as a high price escort. Caught her in the act during a KTV night with some prospective Korean clients. As one of my best managers, her performance had dropped the past couple of weeks and has given her notice. I tried talking to her but all she can say is about saving face and the shame it could bring to the family. This girl comes from a very good family, a top private school and college and good credentials. Last person you'd expect to be an escort. So far, I am the only one in the comapny that knows. Nor am I telling.
Any advice on how I could talk her out of quitting or at least ease her mind that her alternate life is safe with me. Filipinas can be so stubburn at times and single minded.
PinayLover,
Is her performance as a manager in your company very good that you want to keep her? Then call her in for a heart-to-heart talk. Tell her that her secret is totally safe with you, and not to quit right away. Ask her to keep up her prior work quality in the office, and as far as you're concerned, her extra work outside your company is her own private business.
Tell her that there is no need to save face and keep the shame from her family, because you are not going to tell anyone else. And there is no need for her to quit, because you really value her contribution to your company.
I would do exactly what genuis8 said with the addition of a promotion. This demonstrates your sincere desire to keep her. You may get away with a title change with no or a token increase in pay.
Good luck.
FD