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[QUOTE=Hairy Wonder; 1110308]<SNIP
Whether a member of these boards has lived in the area, or only visited a few times, I think any helpful advice is better than none. One person's perception of things may not be the same as another's. But it is good that people are trying to help their fellow mongers, rather than belittle them.
HW[/QUOTE]I agree HW, but I wish guys who don't know the facts and who know they don't know the facts would just refrain from posting here and leave it to someone who does.
After having lived and worked here for 14 years I cannot believe some of the VERY INACCURATE advice that is often passed on, whether well-meaning or not.
In the mongering world, NO advice is better than WRONG advice.
Which US president was it who said: "I never got into trouble for something I didn't say" (maybe Woodrow Wilson?)
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[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1110468]I agree HW, but I wish guys who don't know the facts and who know they don't know the facts would just refrain from posting here and leave it to someone who does.
After having lived and worked here for 14 years I cannot believe some of the VERY INACCURATE advice that is often passed on, whether well-meaning or not.
In the mongering world, NO advice is better than WRONG advice.
Which US president was it who said: "I never got into trouble for something I didn't say" (maybe Woodrow Wilson?) [/QUOTE]I think that quote came from Ricky Ponting.
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I've been to the Philippines about 10 times. AC only twice although I plan another trip this June. I am also 64 years old. I never experienced a problems with ladies in AC but did observe that every time the Koreans walked in, the ladies would react by screaming and calling them over. Whatever! I don't worry much about my age or competition from Koreans. One thing I do have going for me is the fact that I stay in great shape. I work out every day (weights, etc). I do not smoke and I do not drink. I have had very positive responses when asked my age. I have had several ladies call other girls over to try and guess my age. I always get 48-50. I had one lady tell me that she like the fact that I did not drink or smoke because I did not smell. I try and treat them like ladies and when I do barfine, I always offer to take them out for dinner, etc. Although I want the sex, I like to make the lady and myself as comfortable as possible with each other. I always travel alone. I do what I want when I want while I am there. Unless the lady is exceptional, I rarely barfine with a lady more that once. Hope I did not go off topic. I just wanted to convey some of my thoughts.
[QUOTE=Sammon; 1110337]Well, in AC there is a clear example of koreans preferred at Agasya. I knew the mamasan / manager there and she would tell me almost all the girls prefer Koreans. She also said not all koreans are generous with regard to money. She said the koreans are not much interested in screwing the girl many times. They just want to drink and have a good time and also like eye candy on their arm.
It is a well known thing in AC that Koreans tip better than other expats there. Maybe 3-3-3 has some truth to it. In talking with few other girls in other bars many did not like to go with koreans. The main reason they said is because of the language problem and these girls get bored while the koreans drink and conversate with their friends.
This is a mongering business for everybody. All over the world working girls prefer to make more money with least amount of inconvenience and damage to their body. Being horny is not in their repertoire. If they want sex they need go too far. [/QUOTE]
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Whats up
IMO when the Koreans walk into a bar and the bar screams for them its the Koreans that have been working for all the corporations located out by friendship gate and Korea town. They most likely have there favorite bars and since they live and work there full time they are regular customers to the bar. Koreans have a gift of working hard for long periods of time saving up a bunch of money and then spending that money like there no tomorrow. Its any wonder the Bars like them Money talk you know. I 100% guarantee if you go to a bar and spend a ton of money on a regular basis Every time you walk into that bar they will cheer you.
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I have seen the same in cebu, China, Macau etc. With mostly japanese not so much korean.
I went out with with my japanese co workers a couple of times and I understood why.
They spent spent spent. Specially when they have guests, they want to show their guest, which are.
Often bussiness partners or customers, that they only want to serve the best to them and they will not start bargening about the money for the girls. When we had big japanese customers coming over to China my co worker from japan took care of them and he could spent for them a certain percentage for their turnover with us. So he didn't so much worry about prices. So even when we went to those places privatly we / he was welcomed like a popstar because they knew next time he would come back with customers and spent a lot of money again.
I cebu I talked to a girl and she told me that in places that cater to japanese a barfine of 8000. 10000 is not uncommon.
In China my japanese coworker went out with a KTV girl. On day one she asked if they could go shopping for a new designer handbag for her. After he declined, she told him that he would be so un japanese.
Well, he eventually threw her out of the taxi.
Anyway, you see what girls are expecting when they see japanese. Can't blame them, they are in it for the money.
On top of that seems like they also are easier to handle compared to US / Europeans. No GFE, multiple pops stuff.
They have a itching, the girls do the scratching. Finish.
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Motorcycle rental
I plan to be in Angeles for a few days. I would like to hop up and visit a friend about an hour+ north in Dagupan. Can I rent a real motorcycle in Angeles and make a day trip there? I ride a Kawasaki 750 here at home. Nothing under like 500cc makes sense for me for an hour drive. If yes, what are the rental prices?
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Money Talks
[QUOTE=Osuul; 1110702]I have seen the same in cebu, China, Macau etc, with mostly japanese not so much korean.
I went out with with my japanese co workers a couple of times and I understood why. They spent spent spent. Specially when they have guests, they want to show their guest, which are.
Often bussiness partners or customers, that they only want to serve the best to them and they will not start bargening about the money for the girls. When we had big japanese customers coming over to China my co worker from japan took care of them and he could spent for them a certain percentage for their turnover with us. So he didn't so much worry about prices. So even when we went to those places privatly we / he was welcomed like a popstar because they knew next time he would come back with customers and spent a lot of money again.
I cebu I talked to a girl and she told me that in places that cater to japanese a barfine of 8000. 10000 is not uncommon. [/QUOTE]Yeah, money talks. But you don't have to be Japanese in HKG, Macau, PI, or Thailand to have it work for you. Money will work for anybody that cares to leverage it. When I got into trading commodities, I was taught this lesson first hand by some of my new friends. The stories I could tell. Tip large, tip freely and with a smile at all the places you frequently visit and the 'little people' will bend over backwards for you. Americans, Euros, Indians, Chinese, even Japanese. It doesn't matter. Money talks. You don't want to wait in line at a restaurant, you want that new BMW without waiting in queue for it, you want the girls to drop everything when you walk into a bar; tip big! No reason to get upset about it. It's human nature. What's the alternative, communism? Well in communism, you don't need money as much as political connections. It's the same thing basically. I hear Kim Jong-Il's son (not the one slated to take over the country, but the eldest son) likes to party big time in Macau. He's a big fat pig, but I bet he has amazing women doing whatever he wants them to do. Now how does he do it?
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[QUOTE=Towelboy2010;1110732]I plan to be in Angeles for a few days. I would like to hop up and visit a friend about an hour+ north in Dagupan. Can I rent a real motorcycle in Angeles and make a day trip there? I ride a Kawasaki 750 here at home. Nothing under like 500cc makes sense for me for an hour drive. If yes, what are the rental prices?[/QUOTE][url]Http://www.nice-bike.com/[/url]
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[QUOTE=Towelboy2010;1110732]I plan to be in Angeles for a few days. I would like to hop up and visit a friend about an hour+ north in Dagupan. Can I rent a real motorcycle in Angeles and make a day trip there? I ride a Kawasaki 750 here at home. Nothing under like 500cc makes sense for me for an hour drive. If yes, what are the rental prices?[/QUOTE]After you see the roads I think nothing OVER 500cc would make sense! (I ride a ZX7 myself.)
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[QUOTE=Osuul;1110702]I have seen the same in cebu, China, Macau etc. With mostly japanese not so much korean.[/QUOTE]A lot of the koreans in Cebu skew younger and are not businessmen on holiday but english students surviving on stipends from mommy and daddy. You will see them in the clubs but they don't spend like in Luzon.
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[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1110743]After you see the roads I think nothing OVER 500cc would make sense! (I ride a ZX7 myself.)[/QUOTE]Note though that you are not allowed to ride on the freeways on a bike under 400cc
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Perimeter vs Fields
Without ever having been to AC I assumed that Fields between Santos and Constantine was the place to be but now that I have been reading some of the posts going back 20 pages or so I see that many of the regulars prefer Perimeter, especially for expats.
What do you people in the know recommend for a newbie in town for a short trip? Is fields nothing but an over-priced rip-off area or is Perimeter a sparse area with nothing but low-end skags? Of course I jest with the extreme classifications and am starting to think that it may be easier to find quality companionship and an in-bar good time in Perimeter but it will require a little bit more travel and leg-work. I suppose I can go to Fields once or twice to see some fancy shows but then ignore the over-priced action there and get myself some nice bargain action back in Perimeter.
Note that I already have a deposit in a Fields hotel but even if I eat my deposit the Perimeter hotel rates will still be cheaper. I just would feel like a ******* if I lost this deposit and then ended up spending most of my time in Fields and had to spend extra on transport to get there.
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[QUOTE=Edward M; 1110785]Without ever having been to AC I assumed that Fields between Santos and Constantine was the place to be but now that I have been reading some of the posts going back 20 pages or so I see that many of the regulars prefer Perimeter, especially for expats.
What do you people in the know recommend for a newbie in town for a short trip? Is fields nothing but an over-priced rip-off area or is Perimeter a sparse area with nothing but low-end skags? Of course I jest with the extreme classifications and am starting to think that it may be easier to find quality companionship and an in-bar good time in Perimeter but it will require a little bit more travel and leg-work. I suppose I can go to Fields once or twice to see some fancy shows but then ignore the over-priced action there and get myself some nice bargain action back in Perimeter.
Note that I already have a deposit in a Fields hotel but even if I eat my deposit the Perimeter hotel rates will still be cheaper. I just would feel like a * if I lost this deposit and then ended up spending most of my time in Fields and had to spend extra on transport to get there.[/QUOTE]Perimeter area is only a 5 min trike ride and about 150P away from the strip. You probably want to stay in a hotel closser to fields as perimeter is kinds dumpy area. I would guess the better looking girls will be found in the bars on fields if thats what your after. I had fun at Jolly Frog perimeter bar when I was there.
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[QUOTE=Edward M;1110785]Without ever having been to AC I assumed that Fields between Santos and Constantine was the place to be but now that I have been reading some of the posts going back 20 pages or so I see that many of the regulars prefer Perimeter, especially for expats.[/QUOTE]I have been to Angeles 3 times so I think I have a decent perspective for you. Newbie with a touch of experience. I have seen both Fields & Perimeter Road.
I still remember how overwhelmed I was the 1st time I visited Angeles. On the last trip there in March 2008 I had a car and met up with an experienced ISG'er and we went to the Perimeter bars. The car added a bit of easy mobility.
First, it depends how long you will be there. If just a couple of days, I would suggest Fields because all the action is easily accessible and within walking distance. Prices are still very fair. I enjoyed the afternoon sojourn to the Perimeter bars. I think we hit about a dozen. It was in the afternoon and we were just looking, so it was more for entertainment.
Later that evening, I did go back to Perimeter solo and all the lookers I had my eye on earlier were gone. I didn't find anything to my liking at about 3 or 4 bars so I went back to Fields for the rest of the evening. Took a waitress out of Atlantis. Had fun. Returned her. Then took a spotlight dancer from Atlantis. Had even more fun.
Whatever you do. Fun is almost a guarantee.
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[QUOTE=Towelboy2010; 1110795]I have been to Angeles 3 times so I think I have a decent perspective for you. Newbie with a touch of experience. I have seen both Fields & Perimeter Road.
I still remember how overwhelmed I was the 1st time I visited Angeles. On the last trip there in March 2008 I had a car and met up with an experienced ISG'er and we went to the Perimeter bars. The car added a bit of easy mobility.
First, it depends how long you will be there. If just a couple of days, I would suggest Fields because all the action is easily accessible and within walking distance. Prices are still very fair. I enjoyed the afternoon sojourn to the Perimeter bars. I think we hit about a dozen. It was in the afternoon and we were just looking, so it was more for entertainment.
Later that evening, I did go back to Perimeter solo and all the lookers I had my eye on earlier were gone. I didn't find anything to my liking at about 3 or 4 bars so I went back to Fields for the rest of the evening. Took a waitress out of Atlantis. Had fun. Returned her. Then took a spotlight dancer from Atlantis. Had even more fun.
Whatever you do. Fun is almost a guarantee. [/QUOTE]Thanks for the input. The reason for my question was a forum member that I have never met but whose opinion I respect has advised me I would be better served on Perimeter. I think he may be right although I also think that he may be more right for someone staying longer term as I will only be in town for a week. This will be a research trip hopefully followed by a longer one in a few months so I mean to hit Perimeter and Fields. As a newbie I do not mind spending a little more on the short trip and figure by the second trip I will be able to optomize my budget better.
Normally I would just say stick with my hotel and while I am there find the better place for the second trip. In fact I did a lot of travel before I even knew about ISG and I did fine. It is just this forum member was pretty convincing in his arguments. Of course tastes vary and I wanted to poll this group here to get some varying opinions. Perhaps some guys hate Perimeter and love Fields or conversely everyone in the know might consider Fields an overpriced tourist trap.
I don't doubt that I could be able to find someone I like in Perimeter but for a short trip I will be more concerned with consistency where one bad night will be a large percentage of the trip. That being said I am not assuming that Fields will be more consistent or higher quality, just larger and with more options, but also more expensive. Part of me too thinks that the Fields girls may be more jaded and quicker to run but I have no evidence of any of this, just an educated guess.
I think you are right too. Fun will almost be guaranteed with even top Fields prices a bargain even compared to Pattaya. I am not worried about being overwhelmed by Fields as 2 months ago I stayed dead center in Walking Street.