Macunaima - Dr. Phylogene
An afterthought - I just took the book from Mario de Adrade "O heroi sem nenhum Carater" off the book-shelf and was reading a little bit - it describes the life of Macunaima - the hero without any caracter. I do not know if this applies to our Mac.
Carlos
Before voting please read
Before voting please read the policy on serial antagonists
[url]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/announcement-serialantagonists.php[/url]
The following is what I believe sums our friend:- A direct quote -:
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"Stealth Serial Antagonists are more difficult to identify. A Stealth Serial Antagonist will mask his personal attacks and/or SPAM messages by mixing them in with what appears to be genuine conversation along with tidbits of information. In many cases, he will appear to be a reasonable, although somewhat slightly abrasive, poster who it would appear from reading only one or a few of his reports is merely commenting on other reports or simply responding to attacks made against him.
This is the art of the stealth Serial Antagonist: Individually, his reports would not appear to be deliberately antagonistic, yet he consistently seems to find himself in the midst of arguments with other forum members, at times even playing the role of the victim.
I'm tired of these guys: They disrupt The Forum, they discourage other members from posting, they waste my time, and they rarely provide any useful information. For everybody's benefit, Serial Antagonists must be controlled or banned from the Forum as quickly as possible.
Here's the problem: They're difficult to identify.
Stealth Serial Antagonists can only be identified by their pattern of reporting across many reports, not by their specific individual reports. Identifying them requires that someone must investigate the history of their contributions to the Forum and render a subjective opinion.
Personally, I just don't have the time to read all the Serial Antagonist's reports, and read all the related reports from other Members, and then try to identify who actually started the problems from those members who are just responding to the original attacks, all so I can render some sort of Solomon-like decision that usually leads to somebody getting quarantined or banned, which leads to more emails criticizing my decision and enumerating the perceived flaws in my assessment of the situation. "
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It is pretty clear that everytime he posts it their is major disruption to the board.
Discussions in the Reports Section
Guys,
You know, I think what has been happening lately in the Rio 2005 Report section has happened all over the different forums over the years. I call them the classical prostitution/mongerer discussions about different aspects of the hobby that are ALWAYS guaranteed to bring on very heated, protracted debates. The most prominent ones that come to mind right now, in no particular order:
1. Does overpaying ruin it for the next guy?
2. Man, these women are so different from Western women. They aren't doing it for the money, they really enjoy it.
3. I was her first client.
4. Gosh, I am in love with this girl! Can it be real?
5. But she's only a poor girl that's hooking to get a college education.
6. Can real love bloom out of a commercial relationship?
7. Real sex isn't really free vs. why pay for the cow when you can get the milk for free.
8. I wanna take this girl out of the business, marry her and take her to (insert any Western country).
9. I think I made her cum ten times in one night! Did she fake it?
10. You get what you pay for - true or false?
11. My mongering helps people who otherwise wouldn't have any job at all.
12. Perceptions and realities of the P4P environment.
13. Regular girl vs. non-pro vs. semi-pro vs. hardcore hooker. What is she?
14. Does she really like me? Or does she just like my money?
15. Am I exploiting her? Should I feel bad about mongering?
I think that anytime anyone comments on any of these or similar issues or responds to them, a big discussion is almost guaranteed to ensue. I think this is mainly due to the fact that these issues are so common and logical that almost all of us have pondered them at one point in time, regardless of our different mongering styles, socioeconomic backgrounds, sexual and women-related preferences, and regional considerations, and because they are issues on which most of us have pretty entrenched opinions. I think if engaging in discussions about these and similar issues makes one a serial antagonist, Macunaima isn't the only one to be blamed. Let's see, is there actually anyone out there who can honestly say he has never engaged in any discussion about the above? I can't.
Considering how popular these topics have been, I can't really say that they are off-topic for me. They clearly relate to mongering and address common mongering experiences. Of course, the relative relevance and usefulness of each individual comment or rebuttal for any of us varies. But I don't think that they are not useful as a whole and per se.
EA
Thinking about this whole thing...
I started posting more or less regularly about 6 months ago was for ethical reasons. In anthropology, you're supposed to return your interpretations to the people you're getting info from. If you don't you're just using them. So that's been my main motivation here: nothing more, nothing less.
I've extracted a lot of info from this site over the past three years, as have several other Brazilian and American researchers. Of all these people, with the exception of the gang from Cadernos Pagú, I'm the only one who DOESN'T want to see prostitution banned and sexual tourists harassed in Brazil. Most people who use this site for info the way I do see prostitutes as "poor little victimized girls who need to be saved from the evil foreign scumbags" and they use strategic cuts 'n pastes from the posts here, taken wildly out of context, to "prove" their point. Over the last six months I've gone to conference after conference here as this issue has heated up (thanks to USAID's new anti-prostitution orientation and a $400,000 grant from the UN and Portugal to the Brazilian Federal Police) and everywhere I go, this site is on some yahoo's power-point as "evidence" of the "booming sexual tourism problem in Brazil".
I thought that the polite and ethical thing to do would be to post my take on the info I'm extracting from this site as well as stuff from the fieldwork my wife and I have been involved in over the last 4 years with Copa pros. These posts were not meant to "belittle" anyone and given the number of positive e-mails I've received regarding them, at least some folks find them useful.
Apparently, however, there's a small but hard-core minority of mongers on this site who seem to feel that any realistic appraisal of why women are selling sex in Copa "kills their buzz". It seems that in order to get their rocks off, these guys have to believe that the women are doing what they're doing because they are either uncontrolable sex kittens who just can't get enough or because they are sincerely falling in love with "superior" foreign men who "know how to treat their women better". Now, for every rule there is an exception or two, but in general, these ideas have about as much basis in reality as the idea that men and dinosaurs walked the Earth together 13 thousand years ago or that the moon is made of green cheese. Copa prostitutes do not fall in love with guys who barely speak their language (but who just happen to make what's considered a small fortune in Brazil) because they just can't control their hearts or twats: they do so because it's GOOD BUSINESS, for reasons that I've gone into in my posts on the 2005 board.
Now, this is the only thing I've been repeating and if it is "serial antagonism" it is so because saying ANYTHING that goes against certain peoples' views on life and prostitution will inevitably cause a stir. With all due respect to Jackson, his definition of "serial antagonism" is so broad as to be almost useless, a fact he well recognizes whe he says that it's "subjective". By the guidelines posted below, a guy who honestly, sincerely thinks that the Cubs are superior to the Brewers could be called a serial antagonist if there were a half dozen Brewer enthusiasts on the board looking to pick a fight.
But what the fuck, man. I really don't need the aggravation, you know? I've done my part for ethics in the social sciences and really, it's far more interesting for me to watch the show than to comment on it.
So I think I'll just head back to submarine mode for awhile and just keep enjoying the parade.
is macunaima a serial antagonist
I for one am in favor letting Mac continue to burst bubbles. The cold water he throws on the fantasies of some of our dreamy-eyed mongers should be fair warning to the rest of us of the perils of thinking with our small head and totally ignoring realty. He does speak in generalities and because of this there may be the exceptional Copa GP that really does have the milk of human kindness running through her veins. I would venture to guess that in plus 95% of the time he is correct in his evaluation of the situation even though he is not immediately privy to "relationship"? of the dreamer and the GP involved.
I agree his style is caustic and the person reporting his experience could easily have his tender ego bruised by his "in your face" approach. If I am reading him correctly, part of his mission in writing in this forum is as a "guardian angel" for those of us who still believe in fairy tales. Entao, por favor continua suas opiniaos o senhor.