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Photo of Dear Who Works at Utopia Rock House
If you're in Pattaya now or are planning to go, could you please get some pictures of a girl named Dear who works at the bar next to the new McDonald's (also a Subway near too). I am pretty sure the name of the bar is Utopia Rock House (unless they changed it recently). The girl is fairly cute and funny. She is friends with a nice dark skin girl with good boobs. I spent a little time with the girl calling herself "Dear" but I forgot to get pictures of her. Even a few pics with her clothes on would be great. I would appreciate it. I would like to use those pics in my upcoming report that includes her. If you meet her tell her she is beautiful. She might respond with "I know, right!" If she doesn't tell her that a friend of yours told you to remind her to say "I know right!" She will remember me. I was just there last week. Thank you! My report is coming in a few days. Hope your pic can add to it. Thanks in advance.
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[QUOTE=Nefarious;1449706]The girl is fairly cute and funny. She is friends with a nice dark skin girl with good boobs. I spent a little time with the girl calling herself "Dear" but I forgot to get pictures of her. Even a few pics with her clothes on would be great. I would appreciate it. I would like to use those pics in my upcoming report that includes her. If you meet her tell her she is beautiful.[/QUOTE]But what if she is not beautiful? Am I supposed to just flat out lie to her?
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[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1449714]But what if she is not beautiful? Am I supposed to just flat out lie to her?[/QUOTE]You have been here long enough to know small white lies are okay.
LBM
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No Tippping
To all american (USA) people here and everywhere in Thailand,
Could you please stop tipping?
Tipping is only customary in the US anywhere else the price include the tips.
If you have money to spend just spend it the regular way stop ruining the fun for others.
Not only tipping doesn't get you anywhere but it makes you look quite stupid and give the general impression that all foreigners fart money and are giving it away as they walk.
Remember, Thai people are only in it for the money, it's business, they couldn't care less about you being happy after the act / taxi trip / hotel stay etc.
No one expects you to tip.
Pay the price and stick to it!
It seems a lot of the recent posts have been mentionning tips.
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I'll be a dear and give a shot at finding Dear
[QUOTE=Nefarious;1449706]If you're in Pattaya now or are planning to go, could you please get some pictures of a girl named Dear who works at the bar next to the new McDonald's (also a Subway near too). I am pretty sure the name of the bar is Utopia Rock House.[/QUOTE]I'll be in Patts for couple of weeks in August. If your report can wait a few weeks I'll be happy to visit Utopia and ask around. Results I obviously cannot promise but I'll sweetmouth her the best I can. Is Utopia at the "far" end of Walking Street?
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[QUOTE=Kurre;1449938]I'll be in Patts for couple of weeks in August. If your report can wait a few weeks I'll be happy to visit Utopia and ask around. Results I obviously cannot promise but I'll sweetmouth her the best I can.[/QUOTE]If she is still there and if she will allow you to take pics of her but by the description below, we already have the picture.
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[QUOTE=SanLuisMex;1447835]Must get one thing off my chest. Maybe my expectations were to high. But I was way dissapointed in the Devils Den. I was all pumped up. I played it cool. Chose the smiley girl and let her chose the playmate. Maybe the wrong move. The whole experience was just very plain. I mean I was happy to have sex with two sexy Thai girls. But I asked for a little girl kissing. No. Lick her pussy. No. Strap that on and fuck her. No. Anyway maybe the luck of the pick.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your report! My experience with DD were quite similar. At one point one girl was texting while holding a vibrator against my balls and the other was pushing her chest against my face and telling some story to the first. I kind of lost my interest. The girls were pretty enough, but not really beautiful.
While Eden Club "girls" in Bangkok are look wise far (and I mean really far) behind their DD counterparts they in my experience at least give more effort and keep on working all 90 minutes you have paid for. At Eden the ladies were more open to suggestions what to do, too. Maybe a more "in charge"-attitude would yield better service at DD. A 120-minute two girl session at a decent soapie is more my cup of tea, though (more time two recover for that increasingly elusive second pop).
I visited DD in February and Eden in March.
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[QUOTE=Run Mann;1449942]If she is still there and if she will allow you to take pics of her but by the description below, we already have the picture.[/QUOTE]We do, don't we!
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[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1449714]But what if she is not beautiful? Am I supposed to just flat out lie to her?[/QUOTE]Unknown to most, there is an office at the airport where one can file claims for any issue regarding a Thai Lady or similar item, be that insufficient beauty, lie too mutt, farts in bed or anything else. Each case is accurately reviewed by an independant commission composed of all three genders, and the compensation is awarded on case by case basis. Currently the currency of compensation is beer bottle caps, but potentially you can have many of them. Why not trying your chances, just ask anybody at the airport and they will tell you where to go next.
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[QUOTE=Marcos;1449978]Unknown to most, there is an office at the airport where one can file claims for any issue regarding a Thai Lady or similar item, .[/QUOTE]On third floor, below departure, aside the booth of Fantasy Hotel chain.
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1 photos
[QUOTE=Nefarious;1449706]If you're in Pattaya now or are planning to go, could you please get some pictures of a girl named Dear who works at the bar next to the new McDonald's (also a Subway near too). I am pretty sure the name of the bar is Utopia Rock House (unless they changed it recently). The girl is fairly cute and funny. She is friends with a nice dark skin girl with good boobs. I spent a little time with the girl calling herself "Dear" but I forgot to get pictures of her. Even a few pics with her clothes on would be great. I would appreciate it. I would like to use those pics in my upcoming report that includes her. If you meet her tell her she is beautiful. She might respond with "I know, right!" If she doesn't tell her that a friend of yours told you to remind her to say "I know right!" She will remember me. I was just there last week. Thank you! My report is coming in a few days. Hope your pic can add to it. Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]I found 2 different girls who answered to the name "Dear", but this is the only one who would let me take a picture. I sure hope this is the right one.
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[QUOTE=David 2;1450092]I found 2 different girls who answered to the name "Dear", but this is the only one who would let me take a picture. I sure hope this is the right one.[/QUOTE]Great, you have provided the picture, now Nefarious has to provide the report! LOL On that, of course.
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Dear
[QUOTE=Kurre;1449938]I'll be in Patts for couple of weeks in August. If your report can wait a few weeks I'll be happy to visit Utopia and ask around. Results I obviously cannot promise but I'll sweetmouth her the best I can. Is Utopia at the "far" end of Walking Street?[/QUOTE]Seriously,
I would appreciate it if you could get some pics of Dear. Yes, Utopia is at the far end of Walking street. When you see the new McDonalds (also near a Subway) , you're there. I'll post my report pretty soon. Just need to finish editing it down. I write too much.
Any pics you can get would be great. Thank you.
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Tipping
[QUOTE=Onadlos; 1449916]To all american (USA) people here and everywhere in Thailand,
Could you please stop tipping?
Tipping is only customary in the US anywhere else the price include the tips.
If you have money to spend just spend it the regular way stop ruining the fun for others.
Not only tipping doesn't get you anywhere but it makes you look quite stupid and give the general impression that all foreigners fart money and are giving it away as they walk.
Remember, Thai people are only in it for the money, it's business, they couldn't care less about you being happy after the act / taxi trip / hotel stay etc.
No one expects you to tip.
Pay the price and stick to it!
It seems a lot of the recent posts have been mentionning tips.[/QUOTE]Because of customers who never tip, my tips are appreciated and they remember it and provide even better service the next time. Also, you're wrong. Tipping is not only confined to the USA. Your idea about no tipping is a personal idea or perhaps one from your country. Here we are talking about Thailand, and according to proper Thai etiquette, tipping is socially expected. Google "Etiquette 101: Tipping Guide." You will find the proper tipping etiquette for each country.
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[QUOTE=Nefarious;1450158]Because of customers who never tip, my tips are appreciated and they remember it and provide even better service the next time. Also, you're wrong. Tipping is not only confined to the USA. Your idea about no tipping is a personal idea or perhaps one from your country. Here we are talking about Thailand, and according to proper Thai etiquette, tipping is socially expected. Google "Etiquette 101: Tipping Guide." You will find the proper tipping etiquette for each country.[/QUOTE]Better service next time? How can you confirm that seeing that if you tipped you would not know how the service would have been next time had you not tipped. Tell me when money is NOT appreciated by anyone. Of course they remember you. Every con man remembers his biggest suckers in hopes that the money train has not dried up. If you want to know how things work, then watching and asking locals is your best bet, not google.
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[QUOTE=Nefarious;1450158]Because of customers who never tip, my tips are appreciated and they remember it and provide even better service the next time. Also, you're wrong. Tipping is not only confined to the USA. Your idea about no tipping is a personal idea or perhaps one from your country. Here we are talking about Thailand, and according to proper Thai etiquette, tipping is socially expected. Google "Etiquette 101: Tipping Guide." You will find the proper tipping etiquette for each country.[/QUOTE]You tip bartenders, servers, staff etc because they are providing you a service with a low base wage, not how well they sucked your dick. I'm from the USA, I tip at home but when I'm in the Fkk clubs of Germany I do what the German's do, I only pay the girl for her time and the services she rendered. If I like her and the service, I repeat with her. And the service is better because she knows I like her. And her co-workers can see that I'm picking her again over the other choices, making them envious which in term gives me better service. All without tipping. I'm not saying tipping is wrong, there's just other ways to go about getting better service.
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[QUOTE=Nefarious;1450158]Because of customers who never tip, my tips are appreciated and they remember it and provide even better service the next time. Also, you're wrong. Tipping is not only confined to the USA. Your idea about no tipping is a personal idea or perhaps one from your country. Here we are talking about Thailand, and according to proper Thai etiquette, tipping is socially expected. Google "Etiquette 101: Tipping Guide." You will find the proper tipping etiquette for each country.[/QUOTE]Most countries have some sort of tipping etiquette, but Americans take it far to the extreme.
I read the Conde Nast guide you mentioned. I've not been to all the countries, but I looked at a couple and it seems rather high. $1 per diner in Cambodia? Thai wait staff accept dollars? Really? $3 tip to the masseuse? $20 per person to a tour guide? You have to be kidding.
If you're going to tip, learn to do is as a local, not as some uber-wealty Conde Nast dickwad. I'm not calling you a dickwad. I used to get CN Traveler mag (as a gift) but cancelled it due to their insufferable "I'm rich and you're not" attitude.
Local masseuse? (Not the P4P kind) About 20 baht is appropriate. Local mom and pop restaurant? Zero tip. All money goes to the family. If you tip it looks like you don't think they're charging enough for the food. Mid-range restaurant? 15 to 20 baht per diner would be OK. Cabs? The locals usually round up to the nearest 10 baht, maybe an extra 10 baht thrown in.
When in doubt, don't tip at all. If you must, choose an amount that would get you screamed at by an American waitress and that should be about right.
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[QUOTE=Onadlos; 1449916]To all american (USA) people here and everywhere in Thailand,
Could you please stop tipping?
Tipping is only customary in the US anywhere else the price include the tips.
If you have money to spend just spend it the regular way stop ruining the fun for others.
Not only tipping doesn't get you anywhere but it makes you look quite stupid and give the general impression that all foreigners fart money and are giving it away as they walk.
Remember, Thai people are only in it for the money, it's business, they couldn't care less about you being happy after the act / taxi trip / hotel stay etc.
No one expects you to tip.[/QUOTE]This is rich, how does a big tipper ruin your fun? If he tips and you are against tipping then just don't tip. Also not sure how you know if "no one" expects you to tip since you have not spoken to everyone. Tipping is always one of the never ending topics on the BKK thread with many lectures like this one. After all is said, nothing will change, people will do what they want to do with their money as they should and you should do what you want with yours.
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[QUOTE=Phordphan; 1450252]Local masseuse? (Not the P4P kind) About 20 baht is appropriate. Local mom and pop restaurant? Zero tip. All money goes to the family. If you tip it looks like you don't think they're charging enough for the food. Mid-range restaurant? 15 to 20 baht per diner would be OK. Cabs? The locals usually round up to the nearest 10 baht, maybe an extra 10 baht thrown in.[/QUOTE]No offense but I would be ashamed to recommend someone to tip 20 baht. Talk about the utmost disrespect. Is the lady going to wipe her bowel movement with that 20 baht.
Better to tip nothing than 20 baht.
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[QUOTE=Phordphan;1450252]When in doubt, don't tip at all. If you must, choose an amount that would get you screamed at by an American waitress and that should be about right.[/QUOTE]Ha. Perfect comment. Having been screamed at by one or two." Honey, I'm not from your country so how would I know that the US$ 10/20 tip I left wasnt adequate" conversations that have occurred in various cities in Cleveland, Denver San Francisco and Honolulu.
Followed up by " Yes you did indeed read me the specials and yes, you did enquire if everything was ok ". But do tell, was there any other part of your job that you did in a way that merited more than a 10% add on?". Of course all this spoken with ones finest English accent.
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[QUOTE=Run Mann;1450312]This is rich, how does a big tipper ruin your fun? If he tips and you are against tipping then just don't tip. Also not sure how you know if "no one" expects you to tip since you have not spoken to everyone. Tipping is always one of the never ending topics on the BKK thread with many lectures like this one. After all is said, nothing will change, people will do what they want to do with their money as they should and you should do what you want with yours.[/QUOTE]All true. But that doesn't change the fact that is not right to over-tip. Phordphan has indicated what is right, then if one want to be and look stupid to these people, feel free.
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Yet again
[QUOTE=Marcos;1450366]All true. But that doesn't change the fact that is not right to over-tip. Phordphan has indicated what is right, then if one want to be and look stupid to these people, feel free.[/QUOTE]What I tip and you tip does not matter a damn. Because nearly 100 percent of punters have never heard of ISG and will tip what they think right.
Even ISG members are not consistent; I tip on the high side for excellent / above average service (be it restaurants or WGs) and on the low side if the service does not meet my expectations.
Thank god we no longer have all this on paper. The amount of printed rubbish would de-forest Finland.
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Everyone tips not just Americans think about what you are saying?
If you don't tip outside of the Bar fine how are you going to get it on with girls and where are all these reports coming from if one doesn't tip? No wonder so many Go Go's are asking for payment up front? What next don't give my spare change to the lady holding her child begging for money.
LBM
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Tips
The only tip I give working girls is the purple one my jizz blasts out of. I give deductions. Waiters I give about 10 baht per 130 I spend and the subway technicians get 6 of my baht because I live there and not trying to eat a bacon, lettuce, tomato, and pubic hair sandwiches. Taxi drivers I give a higher percentage.
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[QUOTE=Scorchin; 1450370]What I tip and you tip does not matter a damn. Because nearly 100 percent of punters have never heard of ISG and will tip what they think right.
Even ISG members are not consistent; I tip on the high side for excellent / above average service (be it restaurants or WGs) and on the low side if the service does not meet my expectations.
Thank god we no longer have all this on paper. The amount of printed rubbish would de-forest Finland.[/QUOTE]Fine. You are importing your country tipping standards into another. Call it "Imperialistic Cultural Stupidity", often found in certain people from certain places.
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Horse Sh*t
[QUOTE=Marcos;1450405]Fine. You are importing your country tipping standards into another. Call it "Imperialistic Cultural Stupidity", quite typical for in certain people from certain places.[/QUOTE]This has nothing to do with "Imperialistic Cultural Stupidity" as you rudely call my approach to tipping.
Irrespective of my, equally rudely implied, background I, as an individual can determine what I tip and to whom and for what.
I repeat too that ISG has a totally minimal effect on the market, as do your opinions.
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[QUOTE=Scorchin; 1450410]This has nothing to do with "Imperialistic Cultural Stupidity" as you rudely call my approach to tipping.
Irrespective of my, equally rudely implied, background I, as an individual can determine what I tip and to whom and for what.
I repeat too that ISG has a totally minimal effect on the market, as do your opinions.[/QUOTE]Yes, "it's my money". Trite, boring, unimpressing mantra.
The point you are missing is that I don't care about what you do and I did not even mention "effects to the markets".
The point you're making across, is that for you, your own habits and believings take precedence to adapting to local customs. And that is a form of cultural imperialism.
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[QUOTE=Kurre;1449951]At one point one girl was texting while holding a vibrator against my balls and the other was pushing her chest against my face and telling some story to the first. I kind of lost my interest.[/QUOTE]I think at this point you casually ram your manhood up the backside of the girl from the 'wrong' side of the line, while dialing up a mate on your cellphone and inquiring about some sports score.
It's true, the Eden and DD girls can be a bit of a challenge because they're so used to getting away with their standard procedures. But if you make it clear to them that you're expecting more, and then really take control, most of them can rise to the occasion.
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[QUOTE=Streetwalker7; 1450314]No offense but I would be ashamed to recommend someone to tip 20 baht. Talk about the utmost disrespect. Is the lady going to wipe her bowel movement with that 20 baht.
Better to tip nothing than 20 baht.[/QUOTE]What's wrong with tipping 20 baht? If I get an hour massage for 100 baht and tip 20 baht that is 20%. And if I get one of those happy hour beers for 55 baht then 20 baht tip is 36%.
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[QUOTE=Marcos;1450416]The point you're making across, is that for you, your own habits and believings take precedence to adapting to local customs. And that is a form of cultural imperialism.[/QUOTE]If you read carefully what I said you would not have this hang-up about 'cultural imperialism. ' I tip what I want, over and under, based on my experience of the local customs and culture.
I do not import the US habit of tipping 15-20% nor the Australian custom of not tipping.
So back in your box unless you have a constructive comment to make.
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[QUOTE=Streetwalker7;1450314]Better to tip nothing than 20 baht.[/QUOTE]It'd be a bit strange to hand a masseuse B20, but it's an absolutely standard tip at restaurants and bars, and usually about right for taxis too.
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[QUOTE=Onadlos;1449916]To all american (USA) people here and everywhere in Thailand,[/QUOTE]Slight change of subject. Over 19 million people visited Thailand in 2011, 684k of them were from the USA. That's only 3. 5% of the tourists.
[url]http://www.thaitravelblogs.com/2012/01/record-number-of-tourists-visit-thailand-in-2011/[/url]
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[QUOTE=Streetwalker7; 1450314]No offense but I would be ashamed to recommend someone to tip 20 baht. Talk about the utmost disrespect. Is the lady going to wipe her bowel movement with that 20 baht.
Better to tip nothing than 20 baht.[/QUOTE]If you'd get out of mom's basement and actually travel around the country you might learn something.
In that particular case I was with a friend in Chiang Mai. It was a local massage shop frequented by locals. I followed her lead. Paid for the massage and a bit extra.
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[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1450372]Everyone tips not just Americans think about what you are saying?
If you don't tip outside of the Bar fine how are you going to get it on with girls and where are all these reports coming from if one doesn't tip? No wonder so many Go Go's are asking for payment up front? What next don't give my spare change to the lady holding her child begging for money.
LBM[/QUOTE]In Thailand and other places the money paid to the lady is a "tip." In Mexico it's a "donation." Both are just euphemisms for their fee, as the payment is not optional. A genuine tip, aka gratuity, would be over and above the amount agreed upon.
And, yes, never give your spare change to the lady holding a kid. It's not her kid. If you were to watch most of them over a period of time you'd see the kid changes every few months. The money goes to support some yaa-baa addict or some other nefarious Fagin. If some beggar is hungry, offer to buy them some food. That'll weed out the scammers real quick.
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[QUOTE=FreebieFan; 1450339]Ha. Perfect comment. Having been screamed at by one or two." Honey, I'm not from your country so how would I know that the US$ 10/20 tip I left wasnt adequate" conversations that have occurred in various cities in Cleveland, Denver San Francisco and Honolulu.
Followed up by " Yes you did indeed read me the specials and yes, you did enquire if everything was ok ". But do tell, was there any other part of your job that you did in a way that merited more than a 10% add on?". Of course all this spoken with ones finest English accent.[/QUOTE]The problem in the US is that Uncle Sam has a microscope rammed up everybody's ass looking for "income."
Used to be that tips were just that. A reward for service above and beyond the call. Then some genius figured out that too many scofflaw waitresses were getting away with unclaimed income. So, now waitstaff are taxed on their gross sales. The kind and benevolent IRS assumes they'll be tipped something like 8% of their gross sales during a day and they levy income tax accordingly. If one doesn't tip the waiter actually loses money on the deal, which is grossly unfair to them unless they really suck at their job.
Yet another item in the long litany of why the founding fathers made the income tax unconstitutional.
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[QUOTE=Phordphan;1450536]And, yes, never give your spare change to the lady holding a kid. It's not her kid. If you were to watch most of them over a period of time you'd see the kid changes every few months. The money goes to support some yaa-baa addict or some other nefarious Fagin. If some beggar is hungry, offer to buy them some food. That'll weed out the scammers real quick.[/QUOTE]Didn't you notice:
* You find these "poor beggars" only in areas frequented by tourists.
* Only tourists give them money.
* Most of these beggars are not even Thai (according to my Thai GF)
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[QUOTE=Betong; 1450424]I think at this point you casually ram your manhood up the backside of the girl from the 'wrong' side of the line, while dialing up a mate on your cellphone and inquiring about some sports score.
It's true, the Eden and DD girls can be a bit of a challenge because they're so used to getting away with their standard procedures. But if you make it clear to them that you're expecting more, and then really take control, most of them can rise to the occasion.[/QUOTE]That's the ticket, Betong! I prefer a more "class-3some"-type of treatment anyway, so I guess I was looking for love in all the wrong places.
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[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1450481]What's wrong with tipping 20 baht? If I get an hour massage for 100 baht and tip 20 baht that is 20%. And if I get one of those happy hour beers for 55 baht then 20 baht tip is 36%.[/QUOTE]Why guys worry about others overpaying is beyond me. If guys here are an indication of what goes on out there, guys are just not paying.
The guys that do overpay are such a minority, that it's a statistical non-event. LOL.
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To those who don't tip-thats fine. But don't use Thai wimmin in your argument. They are absolutely the worst- ask your local massuse. LOL.
At my favorite massage parlour the sex providers grimace when I try to leave maids more than 20 baht. LOL. To keep them happy I leave 20 baht.
My first taxi ride with my favorite asshole girl. She kind of grimaced when I gave the taxi guy a 25 baht tip on 45 baht cab fare. I give her 200 baht tip in her bar for just being pretty-she likes that. LOL.
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[QUOTE=Phordphan; 1450536]In Thailand and other places the money paid to the lady is a "tip." In Mexico it's a "donation." Both are just euphemisms for their fee, as the payment is not optional. A genuine tip, aka gratuity, would be over and above the amount agreed upon.
And, yes, never give your spare change to the lady holding a kid. It's not her kid. If you were to watch most of them over a period of time you'd see the kid changes every few months. The money goes to support some yaa-baa addict or some other nefarious Fagin. If some beggar is hungry, offer to buy them some food. That'll weed out the scammers real quick.[/QUOTE]I was just joking since the guy who started all this mentioned even in the offering of sex act? Why tip? If I barfine a girl and pay the barfine and agree on 2, 000 for her and then give her something extra I would think that would be a tip, the 2, 000 doesn't count?
As for the baby and such, I fully understand that too and was meant as a joke. What you mentioned is a Mafia scam in general I see this a lot at the local markets.
LBM
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[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1450481]What's wrong with tipping 20 baht? If I get an hour massage for 100 baht and tip 20 baht that is 20%. And if I get one of those happy hour beers for 55 baht then 20 baht tip is 36%.[/QUOTE]Give up Mr. E! We all have to go back to our "boxes" , some world experienced traveler has spoken. Math and common sense are optionals, now it's all about "me and my money".
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[QUOTE=Hotman 666; 1449588]I can not see anything that says she is pregnant!
Therefore she is definitely NOT a Skogis girl!
Hotman.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Marcos;1449587]Can't be, she's below your minimum income limit :-;[/QUOTE]Hehe funny guys.
Well we don't care about the minimum salary for P4P but I guess in average, atleast the decent looking one, earn quite good in thai and phil standard (for uneducated girls). Regulars (none P4P), another story. But since the topic the last few days, in this thread, have been spinning around tipping and what is correct or not, I must admit I probably appreciate extraordinary service to some extent and then I leave good extras (tip). But for ordinary service (doing the job. I talk in almost all aspects here) I can maby run it up to the closest round number if it is not to much (dealing with coins and 20bht I rather not but I admit in pattis a 20 comes in handy fornthe Bathbus).
Hotman; what do you mean, hehe?
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Whether you over tip for P4P, a beer, a massage or even the Baht bus, Whats the big deal you think the people on ISG is " going to change the market "
Do as you please whatever just enjoy yourself even if you don't want to tip! What is the fuss? Scam or not I'm still giving my small change from time to time to the beggar lady with the baby especially when I'm trying to impress my BF that I Jai Dee? I might get her to give me more on my tip.
LBM
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[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1450809]Whether you over tip for P4P, a beer, a massage or even the Baht bus, Whats the big deal you think the people on ISG is " going to change the market "
LBM[/QUOTE]This I agree with and I have myself mentioned it a few times when the heat was on me for overpaying, tipping or whatever you like to call it. It is almost impossible to find stats of how many mongerers there are out there adjusted to how many members in ISG. My senseable thought would be we would not even come close to 1% maby far from that? But since I am a member I have lowered my compensation quite a bit and these day I go with the flow of people compensating girls and waitresses. I allways spend to much beeing out there (bottle service, extras, snacks, shots etc) but for me this is my freedom and I find it relaxing "beeing nice". I know I know it is not much worth and these days I go with normal average pricesettings for services (girls, taxi, restaurants, pubs etc etc). But why can not people just adjust to their own judgement when it comes to tipping and people trying to tell what is right what is wrong continue what they do. We come all from various backgrounds, we have different economics, traditions, behaviours, attitude, mood, kindness, emphaty, etc etc. This means FOR ME it is not ok to pay a girl 10000bht grabbed from Climax (even if that would not set me into bankarotto state).
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Skogis,
I don't think that you will EVER get people to agree on the 'Tip or not to tip' question.
As you say it depends on the culture you are from.
I am a Brit and our take on tips could probably be distilled into a few words.
I tip has to be EARNED by giving service over and above the normal service level. It is NOT an absolute RIGHT!
I have NO problem in tipping a few Baht when someone has gone out of their way to be helpful but, in MY opinion Tips have to be earned!
I posted in Cambodia forum a few years ago '. Plenty of nearby places to eat from breakfast time through to late evening. Many with young, sweet Cambodian or Vietnamese waitresses who like to practice English. These girls are paid around 2 US$/day so your tips are appreciated. '
This was based on the fact that these young girls went out of their way to make my meals enjoyable by chatting to me and generally keeping me company. A US$1. 00/2. 00 tip was a BIG percentage of my food bill (and of their daily wage) but, to me, was well worth while for the enjoyment I had and for the attention I got on my next visit.
Hotman.
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[QUOTE=Skogis;1450822]This I agree with and I have myself mentioned it a few times when the heat was on me for overpaying, tipping or whatever you like to call it. It is almost impossible to find stats of how many mongerers there are out there adjusted to how many members in ISG. My senseable thought would be we would not even come close to 1% maby far from that? But since I am a member I have lowered my compensation quite a bit and these day I go with the flow of people compensating girls and waitresses. I allways spend to much beeing out there (bottle service, extras, snacks, shots etc) but for me this is my freedom and I find it relaxing "beeing nice". I know I know it is not much worth and these days I go with normal average pricesettings for services (girls, taxi, restaurants, pubs etc etc). But why can not people just adjust to their own judgement when it comes to tipping and people trying to tell what is right what is wrong continue what they do. We come all from various backgrounds, we have different economics, traditions, behaviours, attitude, mood, kindness, emphaty, etc etc. This means FOR ME it is not ok to pay a girl 10000bht grabbed from Climax (even if that would not set me into bankarotto state).[/QUOTE]Tipping, Bar fines, Stunners, what is a 1 to 10, Where to find you action, Beach Road, Beer Bars, Go Go's, guys being on holiday and guys living here how and what they should pay, Freelancers, again how much where to find them and how they look, down to how and what we should wear, the debate about Pattaya / Bangkok, I say at this point and time do what you want, knock yourself out, use a condom or don't use a condom, agree to disagree who gives the best massage or BBBJ or CBJ, Soi 6, Soi 7, 8, to club or not to club? Who is fat or skinny, big tits or little tits, dark skin or white skins, are the Japanese or Korean ruining the market, do they smoke too much? Can I get laid in the disco and how much and am I too old?
In the end, do as you please but just remember whatever it is there are always consequences as long as you are willing to accept it do as you please it isn't going to change anything for some. For myself I have no pattern for tipping sometimes it's a little, sometimes it too much, and sometimes it is just plain stupid because I'm just having such a good time, to be alive and able to go out!
LBM
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[QUOTE=Hotman 666; 1450833]Skogis,
I don't think that you will EVER get people to agree on the 'Tip or not to tip' question.
As you say it depends on the culture you are from.[/QUOTE]Actually it depends on the culture where you _are_. That should not be difficult to underdstand.
I would be a fool if not willing to tip 10 to 15% in an American restaurant, I would be a fool if willing to tip more than round change in a Thai restaurant. No matter where I'm from.
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[QUOTE=Streetwalker7;1450644](snip)Why guys worry about others overpaying is beyond me. (snip)[/QUOTE]Really? Overpayers being perplexed by that, is beyond me.
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[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1450841]Tipping, Bar fines, Stunners, what is a 1 to 10, Where to find you action, Beach Road, Beer Bars, Go Go's, guys being on holiday and guys living here how and what they should pay, Freelancers, again how much where to find them and how they look, down to how and what we should wear, the debate about Pattaya / Bangkok, I say at this point and time do what you want, knock yourself out, use a condom or don't use a condom, agree to disagree who gives the best massage or BBBJ or CBJ, Soi 6, Soi 7, 8, to club or not to club? Who is fat or skinny, big tits or little tits, dark skin or white skins, are the Japanese or Korean ruining the market, do they smoke too much? Can I get laid in the disco and how much and am I too old?[/QUOTE]Yes,
Steep; plenty; 1 = ugly, fat, missing teeth. 10 = pretty, great body, great attitude, great performance; anywhere in Pattaya; bargain basement but few pretty girls; fun; some pretty girls (but not a fan of the half-hearted lesbian routines) ; on holiday; haggle down price but 'tip if good performance'; nightclubs. Rich hunting grounds; dress smart, trousers, shirt, shoes. Girls notice; Bangkok exciting for a short time but Pattaya my personal favourite; rubber up; disagree; New in Dream Teen; sleaze heaven; beer-bar central; club = good place to pick up massage girls / gogo girls when they finish their shift; fat = some of the girls on beach road, skinny = Baccara girls; both, depending on the mood; not ruining the market, just creating little exclusive zones best avoided; hell yes; definitely. 1000-1500 depending on your game, the girl, the time of night; no-one is too old for Pattaya.
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[QUOTE=Marcos; 1450848]Actually it depends on the culture where you _are_. That should not be difficult to underdstand.
I would be a fool if not willing to tip 10 to 15% in an American restaurant, I would be a fool if willing to tip more than round change in a Thai restaurant. No matter where I'm from.[/QUOTE]Yes I see your point you so strongly have tried to adress Marcos. But who cares if we are fools? Not the economy of P4P girls. I still pay average 3000 for a totaly doable BKK based P4P girl as I did 7 years ago. Then I prob was on the high side but lowered my stakes mostly bcs of people I was operating together with (as I allways have been a big spender. Bcs I can and like it).
If I would be so unlucky tipping one girl making it a riot in P4P market then I would realy think twice. But as far as I am conserned prices regulates itself du to known factors (sale / demand etc etc).
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I am not a Bit, but your general statement regarding tipping is "spot on." Always reward extra service.
[QUOTE=Hotman 666; 1450833]Skogis,
I don't think that you will EVER get people to agree on the 'Tip or not to tip' question.
As you say it depends on the culture you are from.
I am a Brit and our take on tips could probably be distilled into a few words.
I tip has to be EARNED by giving service over and above the normal service level. It is NOT an absolute RIGHT!
I have NO problem in tipping a few Baht when someone has gone out of their way to be helpful but, in MY opinion Tips have to be earned!
I posted in Cambodia forum a few years ago '. Plenty of nearby places to eat from breakfast time through to late evening. Many with young, sweet Cambodian or Vietnamese waitresses who like to practice English. These girls are paid around 2 US$/day so your tips are appreciated. '
This was based on the fact that these young girls went out of their way to make my meals enjoyable by chatting to me and generally keeping me company. A US$1. 00/2. 00 tip was a BIG percentage of my food bill (and of their daily wage) but, to me, was well worth while for the enjoyment I had and for the attention I got on my next visit.
Hotman.[/QUOTE]
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Funniest thing. For years I use to stay at the Rajai Hotel on Osmena Circle. Every time I came the same lady was out there with a baby. I start noticing that, over the years, the baby never grew.
Will sometimes buy kids food.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht; 1450552]Didn't you notice:
* You find these "poor beggars" only in areas frequented by tourists.
* Only tourists give them money.
* Most of these beggars are not even Thai (according to my Thai GF) [/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Streetwalker7;1450644]The guys that do overpay are such a minority, that it's a statistical non-event. LOL.[/QUOTE]No, a very huge percentage of tourists overpay. That is how the price was increased from 500 to whatever it is now (many people say it is 1000 baht!)
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It hard to believe all this talk about demands and economy when it comes to P4P, since there are many guys always saying I'm on a holiday and I will pay what I want it won't hurt the market? This goes to tipping too? I once read some guy saying he was tipping at a 7/11?
When it comes to p4p what is normal usually doesn't fit since people would never pay more for a car, a bike, you guys know what I mean but when it comes to p4p any general rule gets thrown out the window. No matter how much we want to believe it just doesn't happen 100% of the time. We all have broken rule to satisfy the little head he and only he is in control when it comes to p4p or any pussy?
If you found out one guys was getting the same girls doing all the same things for 500 baht, and you found out you earlier paid her 2, 000 baht for most likely the same service one would actually still feel they would again pay 2, 000 if your answer is yes! Knock yourself out use whatever excuse you what as long as you feel good about it. Just don't apply the same thinking when it comes to the real world like renting a car!
LBM
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[QUOTE=Opebo;1451220]No, a very huge percentage of tourists overpay. That is how the price was increased from 500 to whatever it is now (many people say it is 1000 baht!)[/QUOTE]Don't go there Opebo! It has been proved already by verbose overpayers that "the small ISG minority does not influence the market", that is "in itself self-correcting". And remember always the very first principle of a looser monger: "It's my money" (and "I got no balls" too).
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[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1451251]It hard to believe all this talk about demands and economy when it comes to P4P, since there are many guys always saying I'm on a holiday and I will pay what I want it won't hurt the market? This goes to tipping too? I once read some guy saying he was tipping at a 7/11?
When it comes to p4p what is normal usually doesn't fit since people would never pay more for a car, a bike, you guys know what I mean but when it comes to p4p any general rule gets thrown out the window. No matter how much we want to believe it just doesn't happen 100% of the time. We all have broken rule to satisfy the little head he and only he is in control when it comes to p4p or any pussy?
If you found out one guys was getting the same girls doing all the same things for 500 baht, and you found out you earlier paid her 2, 000 baht for most likely the same service one would actually still feel they would yagain pay 2, 000 if your answer is yes! Knock yourself out use whatever excuse you what as long as you feel good about it. Just don't apply the same thinking when it comes to the real world like renting a car!
LBM[/QUOTE]Well I have written about this subject a few times but I will say to extend this thinking me never beeing on vacation in south East Asia (SEA) but actually I am in some form from workingleasure combination, hehe. Inhave stated I was an overpayer and probably to some extent still is but I am better in lowering my compensation to my P4P'ies (in BKK normaly 3 K LT and in Patts between 2-3k and LT is sometimes to long but I can not pay less the longeR they stay or? It is my weak / modest personality allowing girls to stay).
Well, we can pretty much agree all members will not come to agreements regarding the matter discussed in tips, overpaying etc etc. Then it is a good comfort for the blessed educated ISG member he can make his own deal or change venue or tactics. There will allways be girls available and yeaterday I had one ruskie Elena in Soi 7/1 BKK starting at 1000 ST lowering herself down to 700 without me beeing able to pop in my rejection. For fun I just asked if I could get some pussy action for 500 and yes I could. But I was on my way and did not want to go with her for free (well seen her 30 times or so I have had some thoughts maby it would be good fun to give her some norwegian wood. But conclusion NO).
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Maybe time to get a life
[QUOTE=Marcos;1451254]"looser monger"[/QUOTE]WTF! Based upon what I've read from you lately you seem to be the pot that calls the kettle black.
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[QUOTE=Phordphan; 1450252]Most countries have some sort of tipping etiquette, but Americans take it far to the extreme.
[i]snip[/i]
Local masseuse? (Not the P4P kind) About 20 baht is appropriate. Local mom and pop restaurant? Zero tip. All money goes to the family. If you tip it looks like you don't think they're charging enough for the food. Mid-range restaurant? 15 to 20 baht per diner would be OK. Cabs? The locals usually round up to the nearest 10 baht, maybe an extra 10 baht thrown in.
When in doubt, don't tip at all. If you must, choose an amount that would get you screamed at by an American waitress and that should be about right.[/QUOTE]Right now, I'm fairly close to a massage girl and have had discussions over tipping with her on multiple occasions.
I agree that Americans tip too much, but I disagree that 20 baht tip is very much appreciated for an hour long massage. It's not terribly looked down upon, like a five baht tip would be, but it is certainly not considered appropriate. For a 250 THB foot massage, I'll give 300 THB total, and if really good (and the girl is hot) 350 THB.
Percentages are meaningless. The 15-20% rule is for restaurants in the States only. All other tips have different rules.
By the way, because different cultures tip differently, they do get different levels of service. Indians and Japanese are poor tippers according to my girl, so she avoids them if at all possible.
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[QUOTE=RBDave; 1451391]Right now, I'm fairly close to a massage girl and have had discussions over tipping with her on multiple occasions.
I agree that Americans tip too much, but I disagree that 20 baht tip is very much appreciated for an hour long massage. It's not terribly looked down upon, like a five baht tip would be, but it is certainly not considered appropriate. For a 250 THB foot massage, I'll give 300 THB total[/QUOTE]Now the question remains as to where you are getting a foot massage for 250 baht. In all the places I go to a foot massage as well as a Thai massage is 99 or 100 baht. In your case you gave 20% but I know that you said it wasn't about percentages. So how much would you suggest I tip for the 100 baht massages that I always get?
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[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1451397]Now the question remains as to where you are getting a foot massage for 250 baht. In all the places I go to a foot massage as well as a Thai massage is 99 or 100 baht. In your case you gave 20% but I know that you said it wasn't about percentages. So how much would you suggest I tip for the 100 baht massages that I always get?[/QUOTE]To be honest, I forgot this was the Pattaya thread and the 250 baht foot massages are in Bangkok. In Pattaya, the places I go to charge 200 baht, I've only seen 100 baht along Soi Buakhao, but I don't stay in that area.
You can tip what you like. As they say,"Up to you". If you get good repeat service, then it is enough. I'd still tip a minimum of 50 baht if it were a good massage. In my opinion, tipping for a massage is more important than for a meal. With a massage, you are getting personal service for one hour. For a waitress though, she is only periodically dealing with you as a customer, and taking care of multiple customers at once.
Also, when tipping, be sure to give it to the girl directly. My girl has told me that the house will sometimes keep the tip and tell the girl the customer gave no tip.
On the wider subject of tipping, I tend not to tip any P4P girl where I pay the girl directly. And not tipping on any meal that includes a bogus "service charge". It's sad, as I'm sure the wait staff get none of that charge. But more importantly, I avoid that restaurant in the future.
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I personally don't have a set standard as to tipping. As noted it is a American things and I'm American. The difference here is I'm not actually force to tip with a standard percentage.
There are times I don't tip or just leave the small change returned. Especially when I'm at a Thai place like for food, I'm not going to if I just ordering a bowl of noodles for 30 Baht.
I've been to massages place charging a variety of prices in Pattaya and Bangkok through the years and currently. This is one of my favorite things I do here foot and Thai massage and it has to be done right not just any place so when I find a place and a provider to the style I like I have no problem tipping! I've know many workers personal and it is hard work harder than cooking? So I have a standard no matter the price unless it is really bad, for every hour I tip them 50 baht, two hours 100 baht, I never think about the % here.
When I eat at Farang food like at the Beergarden, I usually no matter how large the bill not a big eater I leave a standard 20 baht. Sometimes I don't have a 20 baht and I a regular eater at the place I just leave whatever change is given back if under 20 baht.
At the Go Go's a little different especially if I'm a regular at the place. Again I set it from 10/20 depending on how long I stay. If I'm there for hours like 3 plus I leave 20 plus all the coins so it could be 30 bahts or more at times. There was a time when I was a Go Go I had this Farang sit next to me. We both got there during Happy hour, the price for drink was 70 baht, 3 hours later I already had 5 plus drinks and he was still on his first by now it was just water. When he finally was leaving he gave the guy 100 baht, that was 30 tip, for 3 hours taking up one of the best seat in the house. It doesn't make since sometimes but whatever drives a person is hard to gauge at times. If one is a regular / not a regular at a place I have no problem if they leave nothing or very little as long as you don't sit there for hours with the same drink and smoke!
The worse tipper is one who is on holiday, who has saved months for his trip and tip anyone who touches them? I seen first hand and personal that the guy is so happy to be in heaven, pent up for months and tips anyone and everyone at a go go 100 baht each, waiters etc. Even the bathroom attendant? I rather you just get up and toss them in the air like the Japanaese? And then complaint about the BF or the drinks are too expensive etc.
I once took a Songthaw ride from WS road to Soi 6, usually 10 baht to meet someone and didn't want to move my bike since I wanted to come back. I was somewhat in a hurry the ride was fast and he never stopped for anyone not sure why? But 5 minutes later Soi 6, I got off only had a 20 baht note. It was fast and I was happy I just gave him the 20 baht.
Does this all mean tipping is going to drive the market off the charts or cause inflation? All I do each day is do what I think is consistent and not stupid and I'm not sure if it is right or wrong and I'm not sure if someone who doesn't tip at all is right or wrong! I try not to judge anyone and I expect that in return.
And last then there is the tipping for service from the girls, that is the hardest of all, who is to judge what a individual get from the experience? It is hard to put a price on feelings and what one feels isn't what I might feel. But when the service is bad and you are getting ripped off it is easy to know what to tip? But when you enjoy and feel good and especially happy it is very hard to put a price on that sometimes?
Be consistent and try to meet a balance but in the end be happy?
LittleBigTipper,
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[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1451447]I personally don't have a set standard as to tipping. As noted it is a American things and I'm American.
This is one of my favorite things I do here foot and Thai massage and it has to be done right not just any place so when I find a place and a provider to the style I like I have no problem tipping! I've know many workers personal and it is hard work harder than cooking? So I have a standard no matter the price unless it is really bad, for every hour I tip them 50 baht, two hours 100 baht, I never think about the % here.
Does this all mean tipping is going to drive the market off the charts or cause inflation? All I do each day is do what I think is consistent and not stupid and I'm not sure if it is right or wrong and I'm not sure if someone who doesn't tip at all is right or wrong! I try not to judge anyone and I expect that in return.
And last then there is the tipping for service from the girls, that is the hardest of all, who is to judge what a individual get from the experience? It is hard to put a price on feelings and what one feels isn't what I might feel. But when the service is bad and you are getting ripped off it is easy to know what to tip? But when you enjoy and feel good and especially happy it is very hard to put a price on that sometimes?[/QUOTE]I'm pretty much the same. I mostly do FL girls so I stick with the agreed upon price and don't give any extra. But in the rare chance that I go to a place like Bliss where there is an established price I will usually give the girl an extra 100. When I get my manicure and pedicure done it would come out to 500 and I would give 100 tip. (I have found a new place where it only costs me 200 now and I also give her 100 tip.) At my barber, the haircut is 70, shave 70, and shampoo 70 and I always give her 300. I'm dating her now though, so I should be able to stop tipping no? Then from the airport I always negotiate 900 + 60 tolls and I just give him 1000. Going to the airport is 860, and I leave them with the full 1000 then as well. When I'm eating a meal under the tent at the market I don't leave a tip.
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[QUOTE=RBDave;1451404]To be honest, I forgot this was the Pattaya thread and the 250 baht foot massages are in Bangkok. In Pattaya, the places I go to charge 200 baht, I've only seen 100 baht along Soi Buakhao, but I don't stay in that area.[/QUOTE]So many places about town offering 100B Foot and Thai massages besides just about every shop on Buakhao. Soi 13-1/BR has a couple of shops (New hope Massage is one but they just raised their price to 150B but will give you a free massage on the 11th visit). Edens Massage and the place next to it (Pattaya Klang/off 2d Road is also 100B). There's a little open air massage shop in a small tent on BR little pass Soi 6 and before you reach Soi 7 offering 100B foot massages and the ladies who patrol the beach with 200B foot massages will gladly drop their prices to secure customers. After cheap girls Pattaya is a buyers market for cheap massages, like the girls you have to know where to go to get the good massages.
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[QUOTE=Run Mann;1451467]So many places about town offering 100B Foot and Thai massages besides just about every shop on Buakhao. Soi 13-1/BR has a couple of shops (New hope Massage is one but they just raised their price to 150B but will give you a free massage on the 11th visit). Edens Massage and the place next to it (Pattaya Klang/off 2d Road is also 100B). There's a little open air massage shop in a small tent on BR little pass Soi 6 and before you reach Soi 7 offering 100B foot massages and the ladies who patrol the beach with 200B foot massages will gladly drop their prices to secure customers. After cheap girls Pattaya is a buyers market for cheap massages, like the girls you have to know where to go to get the good massages.[/QUOTE]In my neighborhood, I get 150 baht Thai massages and tip 50 baht. Obviously, a much more demanding job then a waiter. To my understanding, the few 100 baht shops in Bangkok raised their price to 150 baht about 6 months ago. If anyone knows of a 100 baht shop in Bangkok along the BTS would be highly appreciated. I would not be surprised if their were 60 baht shops further out. If all else fails you can just find an Isaan girl. They were all brought up massaging their mom and dad and are about 40-80% as good as a professional.
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[QUOTE=Opebo;1451220]No, a very huge percentage of tourists overpay. That is how the price was increased from 500 to whatever it is now (many people say it is 1000 baht!)[/QUOTE]Still is 500b for you and I
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[QUOTE=Noddy;1451506]Still is 500b for you and I[/QUOTE]What is 500 baht? Girls?
If I only could love ugly old girls I'd be mega rich!
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[QUOTE=Skogis;1451273]Well, we can pretty much agree all members will not come to agreements regarding the matter discussed in tips, overpaying etc etc. Then it is a good comfort for the blessed educated ISG member he can make his own deal or change venue or tactics. There will allways be girls available and yeaterday I had one ruskie Elena in Soi 7/1 BKK starting at 1000 ST lowering herself down to 700 without me beeing able to pop in my rejection. For fun I just asked if I could get some pussy action for 500 and yes I could. But I was on my way and did not want to go with her for free (well seen her 30 times or so I have had some thoughts maby it would be good fun to give her some norwegian wood. But conclusion NO).[/QUOTE]What!
She tried to pull me in for 1300 after 'discounting' down from 1500. Well I am Asian so maybe should thought she could pull that exotic farang shit on me. Might try for 500 next time I see her.
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Got to Love All The Talent In Thailand
I can't wait to get back there
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[QUOTE=Orgasmico;1451672]I can't wait to get back there[/QUOTE]I need to make my first trip. Is she a bar girl?
Thank you
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[QUOTE=Pointy Stick; 1451564]What!
She tried to pull me in for 1300 after 'discounting' down from 1500. Well I am Asian so maybe should thought she could pull that exotic farang shit on me. Might try for 500 next time I see her.[/QUOTE]I have no interest on Elana other than knowing what she charges. 700 baht must mean she ain't attracting a whole lot of customers. Not hard to see why. She just isn't that pretty.
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I'm in Pattaya now and surprised at how (relatively) quiet it is. Very definitely a buyer's market. There are whole swathes of beer bars with barely a customer in them. I struggle to understand how some of these bars survive. I sat in one bar last night (Host Bar, next to Happy A-GoGo) for an hour with one incredibly sweet girl, beautiful with it, and no other customer came to the bar.
I amused myself watching punters walk happily into Happy A-GoGo, unless of course they were Indian or Arabic, who were shown the sign saying VIP membership required. I don't know how much it was, but clearly too much. Not condoning racism of any kind, but it does intrigue me that Indian guys so often go around in big groups. I guess the management think that if 10 Indian guys go in together, they are not likely to take out 10 girls, but will probably sit chatting together over their beers?
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[QUOTE=Mouse1; 1451911]I'm in Pattaya now and surprised at how (relatively) quiet it is. Very definitely a buyer's market. There are whole swathes of beer bars with barely a customer in them. I struggle to understand how some of these bars survive. I sat in one bar last night (Host Bar, next to Happy A-GoGo) for an hour with one incredibly sweet girl, beautiful with it, and no other customer came to the bar.[/QUOTE]Yes, it's quite a surreal scene. However many bars are not only empty of customers, but of ladies too. Things are changing very rapidly in Pattaya, Thai economy is strong and is not difficult to find jobs. Many older ladies are really up for retirement and sitting there doing nothing will be a good reason for them to take up the "chance". While the young and pretty will easily find a sponsor/BF/husband as always. Bar and go-go owners will have to find another way to make money, quickly.
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This is low season and this particular year, the rain seem to be putting a damper on the night life? I've persoanlly living here haven't seen it rain so often this time of the year. I'm no expert and I don't keep track in case someone wants to provide stats but stats don't always give the whole story. The last two years I noticed that right after Songkran usually starting in May first week it cool down and got overcast and started raining but this year it just went on and on the heat well into June. The finally it started to cool, overcast rain here and there it seem every night projection of Thurderstorms and rain 50. The weather is changing so do lots of other things?
Then as people was saying oh low season I wonder the places were packed each night not just Friday and Sat. Then all of a sudden it die down for a few weeks then back up again?
With all the clubs opening particularly on L. K. Metro area, along with more and more tour groups holding flags walking thru W. S. Things change and there are only so many girls that are available plus many being low season take extended leave to go back home?
LBM
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High season- Nov-Feb.
Two third is low season. LOL.
That can't be the reason for lack of girls. Maybe the girls are being educvated prostitution is a dead end. So they join the normal work force. LOL.
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[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1450481]What's wrong with tipping 20 baht? If I get an hour massage for 100 baht and tip 20 baht that is 20%.[/QUOTE]Here's what's wrong you idiot:
You are getting a one hour massage for 3 fucking dollars! The lady is getting about 50bt of that.
You are getting a massage for almost fucking free!
Anyone who doesn't have their head up their ass knows that these prices are low to attract customers and that the lady is most certainly relying on the tips as her primary income.
I go to a 100bt shop too, but I tip the lady 100bt. That is $6 total for one hour of heaven. The lady gets the majority of that money which is as it should be. Meanwhile $6 is close to nothing in the larger scale of things. As long as the ladies can make a decent living off tips, the base price will remain low.
Meanwhile, I am treated like a king at my usual several massage shops. No doubt they using dog [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] on you if you ever return to the same shop.
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[QUOTE=Slackerslacker;1451998]Here's what's wrong you idiot:[/QUOTE]You shouldn't call someone idiot if you don't know anything at all
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[QUOTE=Zauberfee;1452008]You shouldn't call someone idiot if you don't know anything at all[/QUOTE]Don't bother. Actually is more fun to be lectured by a Thai monk than an overtipper / overpayer.
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[QUOTE=Streetwalker7;1451510][QUOTE=Noddy;1451506]Still is 500b for you and I[/QUOTE]
What is 500 baht? Girls?
If I only could love ugly old girls I'd be mega rich![/QUOTE]
Noddy you're quite right, I almost invariably still pay 500 baht when I'm in Pattaya (even though I pay 1,000 in Isaan!), but I have to admit Streetwalker7 is also correct - I do usually end up with somewhat older/less beautiful girls. That's OK though as when I visit Pattaya I'm looking for high service levels (typically the Third Way). Youth and beauty can be found upcountry, but really good service almost never. Another way to put this is I wouldn't actually mind paying 1,000, its just that the kind of girls who provide what I'm looking for at Pattaya are not 1,000 baht ladies.
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[QUOTE=Opebo;1452055]Noddy you're quite right, I almost invariably still pay 500 baht when I'm in Pattaya (even though I pay 1,000 in Isaan!), but I have to admit Streetwalker7 is also correct - I do usually end up with somewhat older/less beautiful girls. That's OK though as when I visit Pattaya I'm looking for high service levels (typically the Third Way). Youth and beauty can be found upcountry, but really good service almost never. Another way to put this is I wouldn't actually mind paying 1,000, its just that the kind of girls who provide what I'm looking for at Pattaya are not 1,000 baht ladies.[/QUOTE]God bless you.
My work is done. At least 1 guy admits that for sub 1000 you not going to get young and pretty. LOL.
Nothing wrong with the sub 1000 girls mind you. Just don't expect much and you will be very happy!
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[QUOTE=Slackerslacker; 1451998]Here's what's wrong you idiot:
You are getting a one hour massage for 3 fucking dollars! The lady is getting about 50bt of that. You are getting a massage for almost fucking free!
I go to a 100bt shop too, but I tip the lady 100bt. That is $6 total for one hour of heaven. The lady gets the majority of that money which is as it should be. Meanwhile $6 is close to nothing in the larger scale of things. As long as the ladies can make a decent living off tips, the base price will remain low.
Meanwhile, I am treated like a king at my usual several massage shops. No doubt they using dog [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] on you if you ever return to the same shop.[/QUOTE]It's funny that I live in Pattaya and always use the same shops where I am always treated like a king. I'm not a two week millionaire coming to spread wealth. And what about the owner? You think he can keep his doors open AND pay bills at his own house by charging $3 / person? You should start leaving an extra 100 baht for him as well. If the lady is not making money to her standards common sense should tell you that she would move to a different shop where they charge more. With hundreds of shops in the area I'm sure she can have her pick of the litter. By the way, welcome back troll. This will be your only feeding.
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Lol
Mr E is famous for being a cheap MF. However he is consistent. He sees no reason to be generous to a poor working girl.
[QUOTE=Slackerslacker; 1451998]Here's what's wrong you idiot:
You are getting a one hour massage for 3 fucking dollars! The lady is getting about 50bt of that.
You are getting a massage for almost fucking free!
Anyone who doesn't have their head up their ass knows that these prices are low to attract customers and that the lady is most certainly relying on the tips as her primary income.
I go to a 100bt shop too, but I tip the lady 100bt. That is $6 total for one hour of heaven. The lady gets the majority of that money which is as it should be. Meanwhile $6 is close to nothing in the larger scale of things. As long as the ladies can make a decent living off tips, the base price will remain low.
Meanwhile, I am treated like a king at my usual several massage shops. No doubt they using dog [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] on you if you ever return to the same shop.[/QUOTE]
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Mr. E is THE MAN
Mr. E was kind enough to meet me a couple trips ago and took me around on his motorbike to visit 3 soapies, Soi 6, and a couple other places. If we all had his "take it or leave it" attitude and mentality it would all be good in Pattaya. The price is the price because supply outweighs demand.
I just made my plans to return on August 20. I hope to see Mr. E & others again!
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[QUOTE=Slackerslacker;1451998]Here's what's wrong you idiot___3 fucking dollars!___for almost fucking free!___ their head up their ass ___using dog [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] on you if you ever return to the same shop.[/QUOTE]As eloquently as you state your position, sir, I am perplexed by the non sequitur of your attack on Mr. E. Not that he needs me (or anyone else) to defend him, but unless my reading of this thread was wrong, Mr. E was responding to a previous poster (and a series of supporters, I might add) who were making the claim that one must not tip. At all. Ever. So Mr E came in saying that he actually does tip, modestly, and so what?
Your beef, it would seem, is not with Mr. E, but with the people he was responding to. Or did I miss something?
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But allow me to make one point, and that will be it from me (on the topic of tipping) : BOOOOOOORRRRRRIIIIIIINNNNGGGGGG.
"You must never tip or else you will spoil the market."
"You are an evil exploiter if you don't tip. Show some decency!"
"If you tip, everyone will think you are a fool."
"If you don't tip, everyone will think you are taking advantage of these poor people."
"But if we don't correct him then newbies will overtip / undertip / spoil the market / get laughed at / have their precious feelings hurt / etc."
Blah blah blah. Same. Old. Tired. Pointless. Argument.
This quibble has been going on since I first logged on to ISG more than ten years ago, and it is particularly vehement in the LOS threads for some reason (as are most things, but that's a discussion for another day). Nobody is going to change anybody's behavior, at least not in this regard, so why engage in this discussion? It's a waste of time, bandwidth and energy, IMHO.
From now on, I will keep my sanctimonious bullshit views on this topic to myself, and it would be really nice if others (on both sides of this so-called debate) would do the same. I've always been a dreamer, but I think this dream is DOA.
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[QUOTE=Kumbu; 1452221]But allow me to make one point, and that will be it from me (on the topic of tipping) : BOOOOOOORRRRRRIIIIIIINNNNGGGGGG.
"You must never tip or else you will spoil the market."
"You are an evil exploiter if you don't tip. Show some decency!"
"If you tip, everyone will think you are a fool."
"If you don't tip, everyone will think you are taking advantage of these poor people."
"But if we don't correct him then newbies will overtip / undertip / spoil the market / get laughed at / have their precious feelings hurt / etc."
Blah blah blah. Same. Old. Tired. Pointless. Argument.
This quibble has been going on since I first logged on to ISG more than ten years ago, and it is particularly vehement in the LOS threads for some reason (as are most things, but that's a discussion for another day). Nobody is going to change anybody's behavior, at least not in this regard, so why engage in this discussion? It's a waste of time, bandwidth and energy, IMHO.[/QUOTE]Kumbu,
I'm generally in agreement. This is a boring topic that people are going to fight over forever. Personally, I'm going to spend my money how I damn well please and that includes how much I tip.
However, I do find it helpful to understand local tipping customs and that includes Bangkok's sex industry. I can put up with the juvenile rants and name calling. I expect to read a range of recommended tips from too little to too much. It's up to me to decide what I think is fair in each case.
I am mindful that some guys have to work hard to stretch their funds and if they are expats living in Bangkok I don't begrudge them for tipping like locals. If you're a tourist I think you should budget a fair amount for tips and not try to stretch your vacation budget by short-changing local service providers, be they sex workers or chamber maids. If one is fortunate enough to be financially secure and able to enjoy some of life's better things I believe a generous tip is fair. I'm fortunate enough to be able to stay in 5-star hotels when I travel. So I might leave THB100 for the maid who cleans my room, and if I notice the next day she puts in little extra effort to make my room extra nice I might give her THB150. I build $3-5 per day into my budget for lodging to cover these tips. That's 2% or less of the cost of my room. Why do I do this? Years ago I was staying in a Best Western in northwest Iowa on business. Everyday I left the maid $2. After a few days as I was walking down the hall she stopped my and verified that I was the guest in the room that was leaving her a tip everyday. She then gave me one of the most heart-felt thanks I have ever received. She said it was rare for someone to leave her a tip and that for her the extra $2 a day was not a small deal; but she explained even more importantly it made her feel good about her work knowing someone noticed and cared.
I believe an appropriate tip that reflects local customs, quality of service and economic realities, for you and the service provider is only right.
Paul
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Stop trolling Pattaya!
Just over a year ago I used this forum to prepare for my maiden voyage to Pattaya. I reported on my trip too.
Since then this forum has more or less become an argue center for trolls complaining about Pattaya and people responding to it.
I love ISG. One of the really strong points in here for me is no tolerance for Ladyboys people. Besides that there are some very seasoned mongers in here that can give a lot of good advice.
A year ago I went on this forum and read great trip reports and advice. Today it's almost all about arguing about tipping and other ridiculous shit!
People who have never even been to Pattaya talk shit about the place!
OK here is my positive bite.
I will be going there on this Friday for 2 weeks. I can't wait! I love it there! There are great places all over. Visit Soi 6 places like Night Wish or Sky bar. Both are exclusive girl places with the best hosts ever. Free food, party atmosphere etc.
Go to LK Metro, Go to go go's on WS. It's all about you. If you are a boring negative asshole then you reap what you sow!
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[QUOTE=OldKool;1452170]Mr E is famous for being a cheap MF. However he is consistent. He sees no reason to be generous to a poor working girl.[/QUOTE]True that. LOL.
Evidence-he never give long time girls more than 1000 baht. Thats long time fellas!
To be fair he isn't going for young sweet hot maidens. He is going for the mature been around the block many a time girls.
Saw last night at BKK Baccara a guy give a girl $100 tip. I took him aside and asked if he knew he was ruining the market for others? He told me politely to fuck off. LOL.
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It will always be the same, there are topics people like and there are topic people don't like? And there will always be people who want the change the topic because its not their topic? It is a cycle like a cheap suit that goes out of style and comes back later?
Whatever your opinion about how much to pay a girl, how much to tip, whether you like them dark or light skin, where you like to hang out or even where to buy fake goods. This site if everyone has forgotten is.
[url]WWW.INTERNATIONALSEX[/url] " GUIDE "
It isn't the BiBLE or the CONSTITUTION! It is a guide as a guide = do whatever you think is right! Even if you want to continue about tipping?
By the way rain again today in Pattaya, topic of discussion now is when and where in Pattaya?
LBM
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I Tip Thee, I Tip Thee not
Toni Reali's take on tipping is pretty much the same as most Thais when it comes to Falangs, we're the ones on TV. Bomani Jones got it right but this clip just show the this topic will never be setted anywhere as we all have our POV and no one will likely change it for us.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ineL1PHNL8[/url]
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[QUOTE=Streetwalker7; 1452058]God bless you.
My work is done. At least 1 guy admits that for sub 1000 you not going to get young and pretty. LOL.
Nothing wrong with the sub 1000 girls mind you. Just don't expect much and you will be very happy![/QUOTE]The trouble with absolute statements like this is that we can all think of examples where you are wrong. The girl in my bed last night was young, pretty and very affectionate. I have known her for a while and she has never asked for more than 1000bht LT (and would probably accept less). For what it's worth I would be embarrassed to pay her only 1000 baht, and I have my own remuneration rate I aim to apply to all girls, no matter their looks or age.
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[QUOTE=BambiJacobson;1452248]A year ago I went on this forum and read great trip reports and advice. Today it's almost all about arguing about tipping and other ridiculous shit![/QUOTE]The problem is that any potentially interesting and useful post is rapidly overtaken by 10 posts flogging the same old dead horse. It's why I largely stopped using this forum. There is another forum that breaks it's subjects down into threads, so that issues like 'tipping' can be easily ignored.
Anyway, my 10 days in Pattaya are coming to an end soon, and despite the rain, the low season feel, and the roadworks on Beach Road, it has been one of the best yet. Enough of the doom-mongers! :)
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[QUOTE=Mouse1;1452339]The trouble with absolute statements like this is that we can all think of examples where you are wrong. The girl in my bed last night was young, pretty and very affectionate. I have known her for a while and she has never asked for more than 1000bht LT (and would probably accept less).[/QUOTE]See? That's the problem with being a charming muther fucker. Things come too easily. You forget, I've met you Mouse, and chatted over beers, and I don't think you've had to haggle once with a working girl. They throw themselves at you. And naturally, you do the right thing in response: you throw yourself right back at them.
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[QUOTE=Mouse1;1452344]my 10 days in Pattaya are coming to an end soon[/QUOTE]Well, that's a shame. Looks like we will just miss each other.
[QUOTE=Mouse1;1452344]and despite the rain, the low season feel, and the roadworks on Beach Road, it has been one of the best yet. Enough of the doom-mongers! :)[/QUOTE]Ah, the eternal optimist. That's why I've been trolling that other site, avidly watching for updates to the Mouse's Tale.
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[QUOTE=Kumbu;1452378]Well, that's a shame. Looks like we will just miss each other.[/QUOTE]Well, I didn't like to presume. :) But when are you arriving? I leave here about 8pm Thursday evening to catch a flight back home.
[QUOTE=KUMBU;1452378]Ah, the eternal optimist. That's why I've been trolling that other site, avidly watching for updates to the Mouse's Tale.[/QUOTE]I'm glad to see someone is reading! I really feel that these days I am just writing as a record for myself.
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[QUOTE=Kumbu;1452377]See? That's the problem with being a charming muther fucker. Things come too easily. You forget, I've met you Mouse, and chatted over beers, and I don't think you've had to haggle once with a working girl. They throw themselves at you. And naturally, you do the right thing in response: you throw yourself right back at them.[/QUOTE]I wish! And equally I remember that you have charm in spadefulls!
It looks like you are heading for BKK, and not Pattaya? If you make it here I can recommend a few places you might enjoy.
Happy hunting.
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[QUOTE=Mouse1;1452393]It looks like you are heading for BKK, and not Pattaya? If you make it here I can recommend a few places you might enjoy.[/QUOTE]I tried to PM you, but your box seems to be full.
Sadly, I arrive a few hours after you leave, it seems. I was actually thinking of maybe dropping by Pattaya for one night or so. Other than my massive work commitments in BKK, the problem is that there is potential for violence if I run into the wrong girl. She was a Bacarra dancer when I saw her last, and we were hot and heavy for a while before I decided I needed my own space. If she sees me snooping around her girlfriends' nether regions, she may just lose it. That's a risk I might tolerate for a night or so, but that's it. I don't even know if she is still working at Bacarra (no way of finding out) , but still.
So you might have some places to recommend? That bar outside Happy Agogo sounds fun, in a lonely kind of way.
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[QUOTE=Kumbu; 1452400]I tried to PM you, but your box seems to be full.
Sadly, I arrive a few hours after you leave, it seems. I was actually thinking of maybe dropping by Pattaya for one night or so. Other than my massive work commitments in BKK, the problem is that there is potential for violence if I run into the wrong girl. She was a Bacarra dancer when I saw her last, and we were hot and heavy for a while before I decided I needed my own space. If she sees me snooping around her girlfriends' nether regions, she may just lose it. That's a risk I might tolerate for a night or so, but that's it. I don't even know if she is still working at Bacarra (no way of finding out) , but still.
So you might have some places to recommend? That bar outside Happy Agogo sounds fun, in a lonely kind of way.[/QUOTE]Tell us more! Love funny stories.
She is a hooker for gods sake. If you not giving her money she probably wants nothing to do with you. Unles you lied for free sex. LOL.
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[QUOTE=Kumbu; 1452400]I tried to PM you, but your box seems to be full.
Sadly, I arrive a few hours after you leave, it seems. I was actually thinking of maybe dropping by Pattaya for one night or so. Other than my massive work commitments in BKK, the problem is that there is potential for violence if I run into the wrong girl. She was a Bacarra dancer when I saw her last, and we were hot and heavy for a while before I decided I needed my own space. If she sees me snooping around her girlfriends' nether regions, she may just lose it. That's a risk I might tolerate for a night or so, but that's it. I don't even know if she is still working at Bacarra (no way of finding out) , but still.
So you might have some places to recommend? That bar outside Happy Agogo sounds fun, in a lonely kind of way.[/QUOTE]Shouldn't be, but I've deleted a few messages just in case.
Yes, it's surprising that one can bump into old friends, given how big Pattaya is. But then of course, a lot of the action is compressed into a few streets, and we tend to have regular haunts. So this trip I have spend my time (in descending order) : (a) in bed, (b) in Soi 6, (c) in the beer garden, (d) in a nice little legit massage place near Soi 6, (e) in the pool / the gym / jogging along Beach Road, and (f) on my scooter between those places.
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[QUOTE=Kumbu; 1452400]I tried to PM you, but your box seems to be full.
Sadly, I arrive a few hours after you leave, it seems. I was actually thinking of maybe dropping by Pattaya for one night or so. Other than my massive work commitments in BKK, the problem is that there is potential for violence if I run into the wrong girl. She was a Bacarra dancer when I saw her last, and we were hot and heavy for a while before I decided I needed my own space. If she sees me snooping around her girlfriends' nether regions, she may just lose it. That's a risk I might tolerate for a night or so, but that's it. I don't even know if she is still working at Bacarra (no way of finding out) , but still.[/QUOTE]Did you do anything wrong or broke any promise? I'm sure if you ever run into her, nothing wll happen.
[quote]So you might have some places to recommend? That bar outside Happy Agogo sounds fun, in a lonely kind of way.[/quote]That is where the beach discount girl was supposedly working, I may go check it out just for fun. Where it is? Anyone wants to join ?
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[QUOTE=Streetwalker7;1451826]I have no interest on Elana other than knowing what she charges. 700 baht must mean she ain't attracting a whole lot of customers. Not hard to see why. She just isn't that pretty.[/QUOTE]I thought I blocked this clown as well as his alter ego H444 so I would be exposed to this garbage?
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[QUOTE=Pointy Stick;1452472]I thought I blocked this clown as well as his alter ego H444 so I would be exposed to this garbage?[/QUOTE]Yeah, I'm placing the guy on the good list again. Is not because he comes across truly contentious or anything, but simply because is like listening to a video-equipped ATM that dispenses unwanted advice about nothing of interest.
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[QUOTE=Marcos;1452451]That is where the beach discount girl was supposedly working, I may go check it out just for fun. Where it is? Anyone wants to join ?[/QUOTE]They have this game: it's a big tree trunk, and you and the girl have a 6 inch nail each. You take it in turns to hit the nail with a hammer, and the first one to bury the nail wins.
Easy. Girl takes gentle tap and the nail goes in half an inch. OK. I take a massive swing, and luckily hit the nail dead on. Sparks fly and the nail barely moves. WTF? Perhaps it's on a knot? We repeat: another half inch for the girl and my solid blow barely moves my nail. A third go, and the same thing happens, except that my hit is off-centre, and the nail falls over. Now I get it, so my next hit is a gentle tap, and the nail drops half an inch or more. But of course it's too late, and I've lost this round.
Someone else can tell me the science, but it's a bit like bouncing putty to whatever it used to be called.
Her bar is right next to Happy A-GoGo, which is the next soi on the left after AngelWitch, off Walking Street.
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[QUOTE=Mouse1; 1452571]They have this game: it's a big tree trunk, and you and the girl have a 6 inch nail each. You take it in turns to hit the nail with a hammer, and the first one to bury the nail wins.
Easy. Girl takes gentle tap and the nail goes in half an inch. OK. I take a massive swing, and luckily hit the nail dead on. Sparks fly and the nail barely moves. WTF? Perhaps it's on a knot? We repeat: another half inch for the girl and my solid blow barely moves my nail. A third go, and the same thing happens, except that my hit is off-centre, and the nail falls over. Now I get it, so my next hit is a gentle tap, and the nail drops half an inch or more. But of course it's too late, and I've lost this round.
Someone else can tell me the science, but it's a bit like bouncing putty to whatever it used to be called.
Her bar is right next to Happy A-GoGo, which is the next soi on the left after AngelWitch, off Walking Street.[/QUOTE]I've played this game before. It's not just a hammer, it's a hammer with a head shaped like a wedge. Unless you are spot on, it will be a glancing blow. I finally managed to with this game on my last trip and I used heaving blows. The trick is to hold the hammer closer to the head than you normally would. This gives you much better control.
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Dream Club A Go Go (Old Carousel)
I was in Dream Club A Go Go Monday night. It's risen from the ashes of the old Carousel bar on Soi Diamond just off Walking Street. It is brand-spanking new (open less than a week) and has a nice set up. Clearly a fair chunk of change was spent on renovation. The girls were friendly and eager to sit with customers, but didn't hassle for drinks, even though there were only a few other customers in the bar at the time. Girls who recognized me from other bars came over to say hello, but none asked for a drink.
The 20-year-old coyote I invited to sit with me was gorgeous and had a very bubbly personality. I could write,"Me sat with me" and make perfect sense, as her name was Me. The girls were a mix of agency coyotes and bikini-clad dancers. There were two tall "Bangkok-model-style" dancers who did some impressive pole dancing and were topless for most of their show. Those were the only bare tits I saw during the hour or so I was there.
The seating is arranged so you have a clear view of the stage from wherever you're sitting. The lighting was bright, which is what I prefer, but that's a matter of personal preference. The music wasn't too loud. Each set of about 10 girls danced for roughly 20 minutes, rotating their positions on stage so you got a good look at all of them. The advantage of a lengthy dance "shift" is that it gives you a long stretch sitting with a girl who isn't dancing, the disadvantage being that you have to wait an equally long time for her to come back when she takes the stage for her shift. Considering the multi-girl shifts seem to alternate with the two-girl shows, there's plenty of "down time" for each girl.
A San Miguel Lite cost 135 baht and lady drinks 150. I've been told the bar offers an all-night Happy Hour deal on some mixed drinks and bottled Leo beer. No draft beer is available. I had already made arrangements for the night, so I didn't ask about bar fines and I never talk prices with the girls unless I'm ready to clinch the deal. I read on another board the bar fine for the coyotes is 1, 500 baht before midnight and 1, 000 after. I have idea about the BF for the bikini dancers.
Dream is a nice go go bar and I'll be back, which is the real test. But unless it's able to attract more customers, I can't see it remaining in business for long. It's set up to appeal to the same guys who frequent bars like Sensations and Whats Up, but I'm doubtful if there are enough such customers in Pattaya to fill multiple bars shooting for the high end of the market.
I exchanged a few words with the farang owner and he seemed a friendly guy.
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Nice report EP, about the upper segment. With so much unimpressive material in the entry level, I understand the motivation completely.
Another possibility could be the luxury looking "entertrainment" centers on Pattaya North, kind like the soapies in Bangkok for rich Asians. I've never seen a report about.
Just to spare a separate post, this is "slim Pim" below. Smart personality with respectful boundaries (unless many others) , cute ass and tits. 1K at WS pub (I got 2 pops, one good guy could get more). I find that is very very difficult to get better than that at the discos.
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A GF experience Pattaya style
Let this following story serve as a lesson to those who seek to pick a "fresh" girl up from a beer bar. This all happened in February 2013.
1) Wine them.
After dumping my 3-day 2-night "oldie but goldie" whom I had made acquaintance with at Bamboo bar and having had a "clean" night out at Lima and some Thai music clubs on 3rd Road with expat friends and their Thai wives, I felt inclined to find someone to cozy up with for the upcoming Macha Bucha day. It was Sunday night and around 5 pm I spotted a cute little spinner sporting quite impressive C-cups at Drop In Bar and Coffee on 2nd Road, just opposite Central Festival Mall. Kreem was her name and she came from the Laotian border. We downed a couple of drinks and I asked her to go eat with me as I had missed both my breakfast and lunch. I paid the bar fine since there was a promise of great sex in her eyes.
2) Dine them.
We went to the restaurant upstairs from the night market and got the conversation going. She was divorced with a kid (surprise!) and down to Pattaya for a month of making little extra for her recently widowed mother (sob!) and on leave from her marketing job in Bangkok. She really gave credit to the acronym Land of Smiles.
3) Do some handholding.
She seemed a prime candidate for a night at movies and I really wanted to see the theater at Central Festival. After watching Denzel Washington drink booze for two hours we headed towards Walking Street and danced a little at Walking Street disco. She was not against joining me at my hotel room. Great sex happened, followed by awesome cuddling and then some more great sex. Did I mention the sex was great?
4) Play home.
I thought she would want to go to a temple on Macha Bucha, but no."Oh, you have internet! You really have to see this awesome Thai soap opera. Will you watch this episode with me?" After 5 episodes some great sex followed. Six more episodes and then dinner in room. Two more episodes followed by some great sex. As it was a holiday for her I didn't need to pay the bar fine for Monday. Would I like to stay with her on Tuesday, too? Yes, I would. I fell asleep with her legs scissored around mine.
5) Hold her hair while she throws up.
On Tuesday, after a day out on town I asked her to join me to watch this quite funny show with live Thai music at a club at the very start of the Walking Street. I can't remember the name of the place but I had watched the show by myself already and it really helped to have someone to translate jokes. She had 5 Cokes with Jack and I was afraid she would fall off my motorbike on our way to the hotel. At hotel she threw up, first in bathroom and then into the waste basket. Not a pretty sight but I held her hair out of the way. As my brother is married to a Thai lady I knew what would follow: the sad story of her life. And then a rerun. And a rerun. One of us fell asleep in the middle of rerun number three. It might have been her.
6) There will be blood.
She woke up with hangover, but she was a good sport and said she would eat me alive that day. And she did, until the sheets started to feel funny kind of wet underneath us. It was not a trickle. More like a pool. I knew the maids were going to throw a fit."Could you please go to 7-11 and get me some pads?" Pads? All the pads in SEA could not have blocked that river.
7) Buy her tampons.
Of course I couldn't find the right kind of pads, so I bought her tampons instead. She had never in her life seen anything resembling a tampon."What is this string? Why is there a tube? I can't make any sense of these instructions! Can you do it for me?" So now I had done it: putting something else beside my dick, tongue or fingers into a Thai bar girl! The maids threw a tantrum and love was not among the feelings I could read in their eyes when they eyed my "conquest". Some soap opera watching followed. Sex was sticky and not so great.
8) Go buy pads.
The tampons felt funny to her so I scootered down to 7-11. I still couldn't find the pads so I called her and she explained what she wanted to the clerk. Not the proudest moment of my life. But my lady was happy and we went to pay one more bar fine. As there was still a chance of getting some more great sex this seemed like a smart thing to do. Upon returning to hotel she felt sick and nauseated. No sex followed. I took out my laptop and started working. Cuddling was good and there was a promise of great sex in the air. And the night fell.
9) Dream of a wedding.
Thursday morning was full of great expectations. Great sex was included in mine. But no girlfriend experience is complete without talk about wedding plans. Weddings by Mekong River are not expensive: 100 000 baht as dowry would also take care of catering and a small local band. She wrote the number 100 000 on a piece of paper and told me to keep it safe and think about. Now that talk had turned to money it was natural to discuss her mothers needs as a new widow. 1500 baht a day for the past four would be a good start. We agreed on 5000 baht so far and one more bar fine as there was a possibility of great sex. There was sex. After three hours of on-and-off shagging, DATY and all that old sin business I could not get my release. The picture of her mother and a piece of paper with hundred grand written on it were holding me back, not counting the fact that it was already day 10 of my Thailand trip. We went out to the town.
10) Take her shopping.
200 baht for a dress is not much. Nor is 150 baht for a shirt. They always start small. I learned that you can buy anything for your Thai girlfriend but you cannot pay for her shoes since that brings bad luck and leads to a break-up. What the heck, I paid for her shoes without hesitation and prayed for the wheels of destiny to turn quickly. We dined on street food and watched the sunset. Apparently there is some great fishing on Mekong River and it is not expensive to build a house up there. Well, you learn something new every day. I had a feeling there would be some great sex happening before morning. There was not.
11) Money talk leads to quarrel.
On Friday she found out her roommate had skipped town without paying for her part of the rent. It was funny because they had felt like sisters for all the 8 days she had already spent at Pattaya. It was only 5000 baht. Could I loan it to her? I politely declined. Sex was almost great and there was a suggestion on her part that we could do it without condom. I politely declined. Afterwards she asked if I would pay the bar fines for her for the whole weekend. I politely declined said I was at the end of my rope money wise. I paid her 1500 baht for our last night and said that if she paid her own bar fines she could stay with me for the weekend. We parted on good terms. She said she would dream of meeting me again. I dreamed of getting a threesome at Annie's, going to Eden and then finding a spinner at Hillary 4. Which I did the on Sunday, all three of them. And the sex was great.
12) Repeat steps 1 through 11 until you realize you can take a girl out of the bar but not the bar out of the girl (bar the exception that proves the rule).
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[QUOTE=Marcos; 1452957]Nice report EP, about the upper segment. With so much unimpressive material in the entry level, I understand the motivation completely.
Another possibility could be the luxury looking "entertrainment" centers on Pattaya North, kind like the soapies in Bangkok for rich Asians. I've never seen a report about.
Just to spare a separate post, this is "slim Pim" below. Smart personality with respectful boundaries (unless many others) , cute ass and tits. 1K at WS pub (I got 2 pops, one good guy could get more). I find that is very very difficult to get better than that at the discos.[/QUOTE]Some of you who have never been I bet are asking yourselves do guys go thru all the trubble to go to Thai and do girls like this. The answer is you wouldn't believe the kind of girls guys go for. LOL. Is the money I think.
Value-a 3 should not be getting 1000 baht. 700 at most. In a pinch I bet girl take 500. LOL.
Maybe op was drunk at the time, or is just new to the scene. Overpaying often occurs to newbies-it happend to me a few times.
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Good job for recounting with such details the story that happened almost 6 months ago. Even better job for not having fallen for her.
[QUOTE=Kurre;1453069]Let this following story serve as a lesson to those who seek to pick a "fresh" girl up from a beer bar. This all happened in February 2013.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Mouse1; 1452344]The problem is that any potentially interesting and useful post is rapidly overtaken by 10 posts flogging the same old dead horse. It's why I largely stopped using this forum. There is another forum that breaks it's subjects down into threads, so that issues like 'tipping' can be easily ignored.
Anyway, my 10 days in Pattaya are coming to an end soon, and despite the rain, the low season feel, and the roadworks on Beach Road, it has been one of the best yet. Enough of the doom-mongers! .[/QUOTE]Hello mouse1 can you send me a link to the other forum in private message please? To be frank I'm getting tired of all the bickering that happens in this forum. It's turned from the brotherhood of "sweet tiny little mother" fuckers, to the mother hood of brother fuckers.
It would be a breath of fresh air to read some straight forward and helpful reports for a change, without all of the bs that follows. By the way I would have sent this to you via private message but your box is full.
Thanks, LuvAsianTang
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That Marcos girl rang me a bell. She looks like the ex-Major League Baseball player Livan Hernandez. Quite a good pitcher by the way.
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[QUOTE=Evil Penivel;1452854]I was in Dream Club A Go Go Monday night. It's risen from the ashes of the old Carousel bar on Soi Diamond just off Walking Street.[/QUOTE]Thanks Evil for another excellent report with information that is good to know.
I walked right by the place that same night declining an invitation from a coyote girl positioned outside trying to lure punters in, as I was on my way to another bar. After reading your report I'm glad I declined.
This is just one more so called "high end" go-go bar in Pattaya in the same mold as Sensations, Sapphire, and a few others which are packed with nothing but agency supplied coyote girls. 1500 baht bar fines, no nudity, expensive drinks, and ridiculous fees for mediocre working girl services. What a sad disappointment to hear about it.
These new kinds of high priced establishment joints are like a cancer which is slowly infecting the Pattaya go-go bar scene in my opinion. We can only hope that the concept doesn't spread to the other bars and thereby ruin every one of them.
The go-go bar option in Pattaya now, for the most part as far as most expats are concerned, is good only for enjoying a few drinks and viewing the eye candy on the stage. No longer is a short time 2000 baht one pop, or long time minimum 4000 baht two pop experience worth the cost for a decent looking girl after paying a high bar fine and a short time hotel.
The soapies and oil massage parlors are now a much better deal for all in service and the girls are usually more experienced and just as young and hot.
The high end sex tourists and Japanese punters are welcome to patronize these bars and more power to them; maybe the town needs a few bars like them, but for my money there are a lot better opportunities elsewhere.
Sorry to be negative but just trying to tell it like it is.
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[QUOTE=Daddy07;1453199]Sorry to be negative but just trying to tell it like it is.[/QUOTE]One has to say things as they are. Suggest some soapie if you know.
Too bad the discos not any better. I've meet four or five girls in a row with horrible, unstable attitudes, let alone the looks that were just above average. By now I think I know all their faces. There is only one left that tickles my fantasy, a very cute spinner with the five columns tattoo, but I can tell for sure she only does as she please. To go there has become just some sort of pastime for me. Actually yesterday Beach Road had better looking girls that Walking Street. I had plenty of good sex from the lover so I did not took any.
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Daddy07,
As you and I know living here, and although I'm not the King like you but just serve as a body guard for you. The list you provided is a short one and let's not forget all the ones that have open in the L. K. Area. Same concept a mix and match of ownership trying to drive the market up. I know the guy that own and ran the old location where Dreams is located and had heard the market concept they have with the new clubs to confirm my opinions regarding these clubs. Pattaya is going through a massive change right now and slowly it will affect some of the older more established clubs which again has already happen in my opinion.
How it all shakes out is anyone guess, personally I hope the majority of them fail but not all since that would give the established one to monopoly the market to do something even more stupid?
I agree with you about the soapy but I can't swim.
LBM
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Changes in Pattaya
First went to Pattaya in 1978 and have seen so many changes over the ensuing 35 years that are certainly not for the good.
Spent 5 days at Sea Me Spring hotel due to a recommendation from an earlier poster. Join for 350Bt and you get 350Bt off the daily room rate. That means 1500 a night. It was 500Bt discount in July. I would thoroughly recommend this hotel on Soi10 and especially so to people who have not been to Pattaya before. The rooms are large, clean and there is little culture shock that can be found in the cheaper hotels. Opposite there is a buffet breakfast for 99Bt at Sawasdee hotel that is OK for quantity but poor in quality. The coffee is crap but there are other options fairly nearby.
I have always been successful in finding what I want in Bamboo Bar at the end of Beach Road close to the entrance to Walking Street. The girls vary in age from 25 to 40 and I had zero problem at 1500Bt all night with girls that spoke English. Of course there is no bar fine and drinks are the same for men and women. These women want to get laid and I have rarely found a poor performer. I took three girls over a 3 night period and all were great in bed, stayed for breakfast and screwed again after that. The hotel phones the room when they go down to pick up their ID card.
I enjoy massages and as always every massage place offers the same price and service on Beach Road and Second St. For those of you who have not been to Soi 13 on the opposite side to Beach Road off Second Road go up it to Soi Metro. Prices are half and the services the same. Hard to get FS but a hand job is always available for 200Bt tip.
Enjoy the wet weather.
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[QUOTE=Kurre; 1453069]Let this following story serve as a lesson to those who seek to pick a "fresh" girl up from a beer bar. This all happened in February 2013.
9) Dream of a wedding.
Thursday morning was full of great expectations. Great sex was included in mine. But no girlfriend experience is complete without talk about wedding plans. Weddings by Mekong River are not expensive: 100 000 baht as dowry would also take care of catering and a small local band. She wrote the number 100 000 on a piece of paper and told me to keep it safe and think about. Now that talk had turned to money it was natural to discuss her mothers needs as a new widow. 1500 baht a day for the past four would be a good start. We agreed on 5000 baht so far and one more bar fine as there was a possibility of great sex. There was sex. After three hours of on-and-off shagging, DATY and all that old sin business I could not get my release. The picture of her mother and a piece of paper with hundred grand written on it were holding me back, not counting the fact that it was already day 10 of my Thailand trip. We went out to the town.[/QUOTE]Great post! This is the template for how most farang-bg relationships start! I loved the part about having to insert the tampon! It reminded me of this hilarious skit: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2-nBQMWimc[/url]
On a more serious note, just an FYI for the guys. If the lady is from a wealthy family, or the family has a high social status, then there are exceptions. But, as a general rule to absolutely live by, a sin sot is NEVER required if the lady has been previously married, or if she has children from a previous relationship, married or not. LEARN IT, LOVE IT, LIVE IT.
The sin sot has lots of cultural nuances, but essentially it was compensation to the family for loss of a daughter. The reason is that the daughters did all the work around the house. However, the quid pro quo was that she was to be a virgin. To this day most Thai guys like to marry a virgin, hence the problem puu ying Thai have with finding a husband if they have kids from a previous relationship.
100K baht would probably be OK for a young, unmarried, no kids farm girl from a modest family. It is most certainly about 95K baht too high for a girl with kids, working in a Pattaya beer bar.
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Required Reading
[QUOTE=Phordphan; 1453439]Great post! This is the template for how most farang-bg relationships start! I loved the part about having to insert the tampon! It reminded me of this hilarious skit:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2-nBQMWimc[/url]
On a more serious note, just an FYI for the guys. If the lady is from a wealthy family, or the family has a high social status, then there are exceptions. But, as a general rule to absolutely live by, a sin sot is NEVER required if the lady has been previously married, or if she has children from a previous relationship, married or not. LEARN IT, LOVE IT, LIVE IT.[/QUOTE]"Private Dancer" . It is all there and should be required reading for all newbies.
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[QUOTE=Scorchin;1453448]"Private Dancer" . It is all there and should be required reading for all newbies.[/QUOTE]Never got around to reading it, but I've heard it was good. I'll get a copy.
I learned all this from a "good" Thai lady. The bar girls certainly aren't going to tell you this! :D :D :D
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I have read a bunch of books including Private Dancer, one of the best if you are in a relationship is " Thailand Fever" but no matter what book they fail to point blank tell you regarding Sin Sot in Thailand this rule like many does not hold for Thais yet it does for a Farang especially if they are a bar girl.
I know a lot of Farang that live here married or in a relationship and one might be able to use reasoning that this is how much they are worth, because of this or that and they can say they understand and get it down to nearly nothing but sooner or later it will come back to bit them in the ass one way or another. Reading, saying and doing is two different things?
One thing I know if the parents first hand starts demanding that is when you start running but of course that is a individual choice?
LBM
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[QUOTE=BigJohn1196; 1453392]First went to Pattaya in 1978 and have seen so many changes over the ensuing 35 years that are certainly not for the good.
Spent 5 days at Sea Me Spring hotel due to a recommendation from an earlier poster. Join for 350Bt and you get 350Bt off the daily room rate. That means 1500 a night. It was 500Bt discount in July.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report. Sounds like you had a good time.
Did you notice much construction noise during your stay on Soi 10?
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Who would have thought a book about bargirls and marriges would become like a Bible. Who in their right mind would marry a hooker. LOL?
No offense to many here who have. LOL.
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[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1453514]I have read a bunch of books including Private Dancer, one of the best if you are in a relationship is " Thailand Fever" but no matter what book they fail to point blank tell you regarding Sin Sot in Thailand this rule like many does not hold for Thais yet it does for a Farang especially if they are a bar girl[/QUOTE]I'm half way through Thailand Fever right now. It is definitely about relationships with bar girls because it is far away from the point of any non-sex workers that I know. Another book I'm reading now is My Name is Lon. You Like Me? I'm not too fond of that one. It is written by an American guy supposedly from the point of view of the girl. For me it goes to shit with him adding all kinds of NGO statistics in as if it is from the girl's own thinking.
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[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1453514]I have read a bunch of books including Private Dancer, one of the best if you are in a relationship is " Thailand Fever" but no matter what book they fail to point blank tell you regarding Sin Sot in Thailand this rule like many does not hold for Thais yet it does for a Farang especially if they are a bar girl.
I know a lot of Farang that live here married or in a relationship and one might be able to use reasoning that this is how much they are worth, because of this or that and they can say they understand and get it down to nearly nothing but sooner or later it will come back to bit them in the ass one way or another. Reading, saying and doing is two different things?
One thing I know if the parents first hand starts demanding that is when you start running but of course that is a individual choice?
LBM[/QUOTE]The obvious solution is to avoid marrying a bar girl. Loads of nice ladies running around the country. Why does anybody want that kind of misery?
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Ditto
[QUOTE=Betong; 1450424]I think at this point you casually ram your manhood up the backside of the girl from the 'wrong' side of the line, while dialing up a mate on your cellphone and inquiring about some sports score.
It's true, the Eden and DD girls can be a bit of a challenge because they're so used to getting away with their standard procedures. But if you make it clear to them that you're expecting more, and then really take control, most of them can rise to the occasion.[/QUOTE]Same thing happened with me as well. Got to the point when it was too noisy. Constant chit chat between the two DD girls and little action. Now I do only out calls to my room one at a time.
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Mr. E, and P. P.
As for Thailand Fever, it is a very informative book and the one noted item in the book is and it has been a long long time since I read it is that if you are in a relationship with a Thai, if she doesn't read it consider the relationship over and if you are already in a relationship and she has family living with you and he / she refuses to read it even when you offer them money. Pack their bags and tell them to leave asap!
The remarks to not marry a Thai as the solution I agree is best but being individuals like everything we read here on this board we are all different that is just our make up. I been through hell and back but still find myself drawn to things that are forbidden so I can return to hell again. Maybe that is why when I went to the Thai temple the monk ended up telling me to leave and never come back?
People can read this book, and not everything is spell out one has to really have a good head on their shoulders to be able to read between the lines to truly understand what is being said in the books. Sadly even when you experience some of the situation noted in the book it isn't easy to deal with when the situation and emotions are in play. I have a family member that I gave the book to years ago he was making many of the mistake noted in the book and after reading it he said he understood a lot more now. A few days later he took me he couldn't have coffee in the morning he said he was going to the village of a girl he just met a few days ago to tag along to visit the parents but we are just friends. I guess he missed the part of meeting the girls parents if he doesn't intend to marry?
The author of the book doesn't live too far from where I use to live and years ago I contacted her and met her. It should be remember she was married to a Farang and they both co-wrote the book but today are divorced? No matter if they are bargirls or not from books people are reading I have lean the culture beliefs to a degree is embedded in every part of their society from top to bottom. I've concluded that the higher the education level the easier they are to deal with along with family. A bigger plus is if they have been abroad and educated that is even better but they all have a problem with loosing face and when they do people make decision when they are angry and that isn't good in my book?
LBM
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[QUOTE=Phordphan;1453578]The obvious solution is to avoid marrying a bar girl. Loads of nice ladies running around the country. Why does anybody want that kind of misery?[/QUOTE]It might be something that started back in their home country. Namely that they are afraid of normal women that it will take more than just passing money to in order to get them.
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[QUOTE=Phordphan;1453578]The obvious solution is to avoid marrying a bar girl. Loads of nice ladies running around the country. Why does anybody want that kind of misery?[/QUOTE]True enough and good advice. I'd offer a slightly more comprehensive approach however for all of any age or nationality.
Forget marriage altogether. Done. Purge it from our collective memories till it becomes no more than a rarely used word such as ancient Greek or some other dead language.
Even if children are desired why introduce any government regulations into our already much government interfered with lives and in such a sensitive area as emotion!
Marriage only helps the woman financially. There is no manly benefit either emotionally, faithfully or otherwise. And no other benefit for the woman either except as a subject of sympathy when the man fucks up.
Selective cohabitation should fill the need if one feels it that strongly.
If she wants you to wear a ring that's fine but don't sign the papers!
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Bar Girls
Folks,
Planning a trip to Pattaya shortly and was taking the ISG orientation course. Talking of bar girls, I am in touch with a bar manager (mamasan?) through facebook. MILF type, which I fancy with good looks. After being in touch for a couple of weeks, when I announced my date of travel, pat came the reply that she is in urgent need of 4000 BT for paying her rent and she would replay me when I come to Pattaya. I was surprised at her confidence that someone would send her money after exchanging few messages over facebook. I politely refused and said that I would like to meet her first and take things from there. She looks certainly doable but I do not think 4000 BT is what you would pay for a bar girl, going by the reports. Not sure if anyone has had an experience with a mamasan.
Any thoughts and advice guys?
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[QUOTE=Member #2635;1453894]Talking of bar girls, I am in touch with a bar manager (mamasan?) through facebook. After being in touch for a couple of weeks, when I announced my date of travel, pat came the reply that she is in urgent need of 4000 BT for paying her rent and she would replay me when I come to Pattaya. Any thoughts and advice guys?[/QUOTE]I think you already answered your own question before you asked it.[QUOTE=Member #2635; 1453894]I was surprised at her confidence that someone would send her money after exchanging few messages over facebook. I politely refused and said that I would like to meet her first and take things from there.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Member #2635; 1453894]Folks,
Planning a trip to Pattaya shortly and was taking the ISG orientation course. Talking of bar girls, I am in touch with a bar manager (mamasan?) through facebook. MILF type, which I fancy with good looks. After being in touch for a couple of weeks, when I announced my date of travel, pat came the reply that she is in urgent need of 4000 BT for paying her rent and she would replay me when I come to Pattaya. I was surprised at her confidence that someone would send her money after exchanging few messages over facebook. I politely refused and said that I would like to meet her first and take things from there. She looks certainly doable but I do not think 4000 BT is what you would pay for a bar girl, going by the reports. Not sure if anyone has had an experience with a mamasan. Any thoughts and advice guys?[/QUOTE]There is an old saying. If you don't ask, you'll never get.
Clearly the lady ain't shy about asking complete strangers for money. If she asks enough people, she'll get a few suckers. It's a numbers game. We will officially drum you out of the ISG Corps and strip you of your membership if you fall for something this nutty.
BTW, are you sure she is legit and really exists? I've heard rumors that some Nigerians have the temerity to pose as other people on web sites and solicit money. It's probably just a racist rumor, but you can't be too careful. :D :D
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[QUOTE=Phordphan;1453920]There is an old saying. If you don't ask, you'll never get. Clearly the lady ain't shy about asking complete strangers for money. If she asks enough people, she'll get a few suckers. It's a numbers game.[/QUOTE]The same as meeting chicks. All of them won't say yes. And even out of the ones who do, you may not fuck half. But if you never open your mouth and try to meet them you will fuck 0.
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[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1453958]The same as meeting chicks. All of them won't say yes. And even out of the ones who do, you may not fuck half. But if you never open your mouth and try to meet them you will fuck 0.[/QUOTE]That is so true it is a numbers game. In the old days in the Disco Saturday Night Fever days, my buddy use to love to dance but pretty much a wall flower otherwise. As soon as we went in I became the wallflower and he became the disco king. I would watch him go around the room and ask until someone would dance with him. He has no shame, no ego, I use to think how the f-k can you get turn down so many times and not have it affect your ego?
As for lending money if she is doing this on Facebook, you shouldn't loose any sleep over it if you just skip over it and don't give or say anything. Based on what I going to say because my membership will be stripped but what the hell I'll make the sacrifice to help you out. I was seeing a good friend with this P4P, we got it on pretty well, one day she said I'm short on the rent " I'll pay you back " months later it was she got robbed, short for this, nearly two years later the big one was " I just got a abortion " and can't work now for 2 weeks, thinking why tell me? Is it mines and did she do me a favor? Thinking whatever I might be getting off light? I said o. K, long story short in the end, she got a sponsor, saw her the other day after no call for months for a old time drink while she was visiting in town. Never got pay back even though she was showing off buying drinks for all her old friends and me that is all I got? Not even a kiss or hug just a handshake? Smiling I said have a good life and you will understand if I delete your number from my contacts. Just like the line " I will pay you back " it was " up to you " Now don't get me wrong I hope if you do she does pay you back and don't get me wrong there are one's that will pay you back and cherish those Thais that do! But someone asking for money over the Internet even if it was a scam from a Nigerian etc. You know the Chinese was recently caught doing something very similar in Bangkok. Like the other poster said " you answer you own question!"
LBM
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[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1453986]That is so true it is a numbers game. In the old days in the Disco Saturday Night Fever days, my buddy use to love to dance but pretty much a wall flower otherwise. As soon as we went in I became the wallflower and he became the disco king. I would watch him go around the room and ask until someone would dance with him. He has no shame, no ego, I use to think how the f-k can you get turn down so many times and not have it affect your ego?
As for lending money if she is doing this on Facebook, you shouldn't loose any sleep over it if you just skip over it and don't give or say anything...[/QUOTE]Why would you be stripped of membership? Now I know why you so bitter. You were one of thsoe guys who didn't understand the prostitute-customer relationship.
Good for you that now you do.
In 8.5 years I whenever chosen the girls that have stories of non-sense, I really would like to be able to say to a bargirl no I cannot help with your rent, no I don't know how much a new bffalo costs, no I'm not paying for a new heart 4 granny. LOL.
Some guys are just so luckie!
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[QUOTE=Phordphan;1453920]BTW, are you sure she is legit and really exists? I've heard rumors that some Nigerians have the temerity to pose as other people on web sites and solicit money. It's probably just a racist rumor, but you can't be too careful. :D :D[/QUOTE]I think she does exist going by the facebook page which has her pics in the bar and she updates pics everyday. With so many bars around, this could be a marketing pitch to get customers before they set their foot on the land of milk and honey.
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Better exchange rate euro-baht: by ATM or by exchange house?
The next month I will reach Pattaya and I'd like to know if there is a better exchange rate by ATM or by exchange house.
Thanks
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Pattaya. Coming back after 5 years away
Hey Fellas, I am coming to Pattaya after 5 years being away, heard a lot changed and the place is more expensive? The hotel prices seem to be quite reasonable.
Whats the going price today for the ladies? 5 years ago I remember stopping at Happy A-Go-Go and my memory is not crisp but it was about 3000 baht for the bf + long time for a very nice girl. I like taller girls (5'5+, yea I am in the wrong country, I know) and Happy seemed to have quite a few of these. Don't want to be an overpayer that everyone hates. Where do I find a good bargain?
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[QUOTE=Fast Buck Artist;1454353]I like taller girls (5'5+, yea I am in the wrong country, I know) and Happy seemed to have quite a few of these. Don't want to be an overpayer that everyone hates.[/QUOTE]If you want to pull out a tall stunner from Happy you probably will have to overspend just because this place usually is packed with japanese and korean guys. IMHO it's not really fun to outspend them.
[QUOTE=Fast Buck Artist;1454353]Where do I find a good bargain?[/QUOTE]Insomnia, Ibar, for some lesser quality beachroad
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Soi 6 Pricing
"On Wednesday Night a foreign operative was sent inside the 'My Friend You Bar' located in Soi 6 off Pattaya Beach Road, armed with 3,000 Baht in marked bank notes, and was able to pay the money to the cashier in exchange for a 'short time' encounter with a girl aged 15.
At Pattaya Police Station the girl revealed that [b]she would receive 1,000 Baht of the money but would have to pay 300 Baht for the use of a room which left her with 700 Baht[/b]"
[url]http://www.pattayaone.net/pattaya-news/97528/15-year-bar-worker-discovered-soi-6-bar-pattaya-police/[/url]
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[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1454409]"On Wednesday Night a foreign operative was sent inside the 'My Friend You Bar' located in Soi 6 off Pattaya Beach Road, armed with 3, 000 Baht in marked bank notes, and was able to pay the money to the cashier in exchange for a 'short time' encounter with a girl aged 15.
At Pattaya Police Station the girl revealed that [b]she would receive 1, 000 Baht of the money but would have to pay 300 Baht for the use of a room which left her with 700 Baht[/b]"
[url]http://www.pattayaone.net/pattaya-news/97528/15-year-bar-worker-discovered-soi-6-bar-pattaya-police/[/url][/QUOTE]So who wound up with the remaining 2000?
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[QUOTE=FoxesHunter; 1454198]The next month I will reach Pattaya and I'd like to know if there is a better exchange rate by ATM or by exchange house.
Thanks[/QUOTE]Check the exchange booths (non Thai bank) on Soi Buakhao.
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[QUOTE=Bumholes1;1454441]Check the exchange booths (non Thai bank) on Soi Buakhao.[/QUOTE]I thank you for your suggestion. What are the exchange booths precisely?
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[QUOTE=Zauberfee;1454395]Insomnia, Ibar, for some lesser quality beachroad[/QUOTE]Thanks mate, so what kind of prices should I be looking at to give for tips and barfines there?
I hear you on the freespending japanese, I am scratching my head where all this money is coming from, their currency just lost 30% of its value, and japan's economy is not exactly hot right now to justify this largesse.
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[QUOTE=Fast Buck Artist; 1454446]Thanks mate, so what kind of prices should I be looking at to give for tips and barfines there?
I hear you on the freespending japanese, I am scratching my head where all this money is coming from, their currency just lost 30% of its value, and japan's economy is not exactly hot right now to justify this largesse.[/QUOTE]Maybe it's because their culture they are taught to save their money instead on living on credit regardless if their currency has lost.
Living in Japan is expensive and the salaries they get aren't 3rd world. Some of these guys aren't making hourly wages?
There is also a large Japanese population of oversea workers living down the road in Siracha.
Their flight is only 6. 5 hours,
Also they still have one of the largest economy in the world regardless and just because they are hurting which nearly everyone else is too, I would assume if they are out of work or getting pay less because of their economy they wouldn't even be here?
LBM
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Depends
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1454497]Maybe it's because their culture they are taught to save their money instead on living on credit regardless if their currency has lost.
Living in Japan is expensive and the salaries they get aren't 3rd world. Some of these guys aren't making hourly wages?
There is also a large Japanese population of oversea workers living down the road in Siracha.
Their flight is only 6. 5 hours,
Also they still have one of the largest economy in the world regardless and just because they are hurting which nearly everyone else is too, I would assume if they are out of work or getting pay less because of their economy they wouldn't even be here?
LBM[/QUOTE]If you are talking the average salary man, then the last two decades have hit pretty hard, especially the young. The older ones have seniority and their pensions. The younger have none. There is also a difference whether they are expats in Thailand or guys simply vacationing. Could also be on the company tab if with clients. So you never know without asking.
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Changing Money
[QUOTE=FoxesHunter;1454445]What are the exchange booths precisely?[/QUOTE]There are many places to change money all over town. They are usually small locations with a couple of people behind glass. I guess that's why some people call them "exchange booths." You present your foreign currency, they count it, and then you get your baht. Some places ask to see your passport. Most of them do not.
The rates of exchange vary from place to place, but only by a tiny amount. Unless you are changing a large amount of money it's not worth your time to wander all over town looking for that last one-tenth of one percent You'll get the best exchange rate on large denomination notes, such as the USD $100 bill or the 100 Euro note. You should also make sure your notes are recently printed and in good condition. The money changers don't like ratty looking currency.
Bunky
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[QUOTE=Fast Buck Artist;1454446]Thanks mate, so what kind of prices should I be looking at to give for tips and barfines there?[/QUOTE]Insomnia and iBar are disco and bar. It is the same as you would find where you live. It is not a beer bar. (In a beer bar waitresses / women who are there are employees of the bar and you have to pay a bar fine in order for them to leave the bar.) So in places like Insomnia and iBar you will find freelance and non-pro women. You negotiate with them; there is no bar fine or anything to pay to the establishment because everyone inside is a patron (except for the normal waiters and waitresses). I pay 1000 for long time. Sometimes less. Non-pros I don't pay anything, hence the definition of non-prostitute.
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First night in Pattaya
Quite a change of landscape from what I remember 5 years ago. Thailand seems overrun by busloads of Chinese, they are everywhere in size. Walking street seems to have replaced english with Russian as its language. If you have blonde hair expect to be addressed in Russian at every turn. Even the thai street musicians are learning Russian songs which sound quite funny in their accents.
My first stop was Bliss Lounge, a blowjob bar, all I bought was a 50baht juice. The ladies on duty were so ugly they'd have to pay me to do them. Maybe after 5 beers instead of the juice I could be persuaded, but I just had some small chat with a fellow bar patron and moved on.
Went up to Soi 6 and the street has some annoying and aggressive ladyboys teaming up to try and grab your arm and grab your dick as you pass by, wrestling out of their clutches I picked the bar named My Friend You and took the taller young girl to go inside with me. Not a single word of english was spoken as she turned out to be a new arrival from Isaan province just a few days on the job. A comical exchange followed of me trying to use sign language to teach her a few words. This is glass, this is table, etc. I don't know how much of that sank in, but she warmed up and was happy to go upstairs for some full service action. She performed well, we managed to communicate waving hands and pointing fingers like deaf people do. Was very happy with a modest 1000 bhat offering, bowing thai style with clasped hands. The bar took 300 bhat for using the room and a bit for the drinks. Total damage 1500bhat, which isn't expensive at all, reading the negative reports here I was bracing myself for some astronomical bills.
Went on to have a meal on walking street and get amused by watching Russian grandmothers with a 6 year old in tow strolling up and down the red light district taking photos. Will check out more tomorrow. So far so good.
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[QUOTE=Fast Buck Artist; 1454599]Quite a change of landscape from what I remember 5 years ago. Thailand seems overrun by busloads of Chinese, they are everywhere in size. Walking street seems to have replaced english with Russian as its language. If you have blonde hair expect to be addressed in Russian at every turn. Even the thai street musicians are learning Russian songs which sound quite funny in their accents.
My first stop was Bliss Lounge, a blowjob bar, all I bought was a 50baht juice. The ladies on duty were so ugly they'd have to pay me to do them. Maybe after 5 beers instead of the juice I could be persuaded, but I just had some small chat with a fellow bar patron and moved on.
Went up to Soi 6 and the street has some annoying and aggressive ladyboys teaming up to try and grab your arm and grab your dick as you pass by, wrestling out of their clutches I picked the bar named My Friend You and took the taller young girl to go inside with me. Not a single word of english was spoken as she turned out to be a new arrival from Isaan province just a few days on the job. A comical exchange followed of me trying to use sign language to teach her a few words. This is glass, this is table, etc. I don't know how much of that sank in, but she warmed up and was happy to go upstairs for some full service action. She performed well, we managed to communicate waving hands and pointing fingers like deaf people do. Was very happy with a modest 1000 bhat offering, bowing thai style with clasped hands. The bar took 300 bhat for using the room and a bit for the drinks. Total damage 1500bhat, which isn't expensive at all, reading the negative reports here I was bracing myself for some astronomical bills.
Went on to have a meal on walking street and get amused by watching Russian grandmothers with a 6 year old in tow strolling up and down the red light district taking photos. Will check out more tomorrow. So far so good.[/QUOTE]The standard rate at all the bars there is 300 baht for the room. 700 baht for the girl, and perhaps a couple of drinks. Tipping is optional and generally not expected.
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[QUOTE=Bunky; 1454578]There are many places to change money all over town. They are usually small locations with a couple of people behind glass. I guess that's why some people call them "exchange booths." You present your foreign currency, they count it, and then you get your baht. Some places ask to see your passport. Most of them do not.
The rates of exchange vary from place to place, but only by a tiny amount. Unless you are changing a large amount of money it's not worth your time to wander all over town looking for that last one-tenth of one percent You'll get the best exchange rate on large denomination notes, such as the USD $100 bill or the 100 Euro note. You should also make sure your notes are recently printed and in good condition. The money changers don't like ratty looking currency.
Bunky[/QUOTE]The best rates are generally at the bright yellow Kungsri Bank booths.
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[QUOTE=Streetwalker7; 1454024]Why would you be stripped of membership? Now I know why you so bitter. You were one of thsoe guys who didn't understand the prostitute-customer relationship.
Good for you that now you do.
In 8. 5 years I whenever chosen the girls that have stories of non-sense, I really would like to be able to say to a bargirl no I cannot help with your rent, no I don't know how much a new bffalo costs, no I'm not paying for a new heart 4 granny. LOL.
Some guys are just so luckie![/QUOTE]You never lend money to a bar girl. You give it and don't expect to see it back. There's no shame in that. Sometimes the hard-luck stories are true, and giving a few 1000 baht from your relatively large income to help someone you like who may be having problems is a good thing to do.
That's not the same as sending money to a random lady on FaceBook.
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[QUOTE=Fast Buck Artist; 1454599]Quite a change of landscape from what I remember 5 years ago. Thailand seems overrun by busloads of Chinese, they are everywhere in size. Walking street seems to have replaced english with Russian as its language. If you have blonde hair expect to be addressed in Russian at every turn. Even the thai street musicians are learning Russian songs which sound quite funny in their accents.
My first stop was Bliss Lounge, a blowjob bar, all I bought was a 50baht juice. The ladies on duty were so ugly they'd have to pay me to do them. Maybe after 5 beers instead of the juice I could be persuaded, but I just had some small chat with a fellow bar patron and moved on.
Went up to Soi 6 and the street has some annoying and aggressive ladyboys teaming up to try and grab your arm and grab your dick as you pass by, wrestling out of their clutches I picked the bar named My Friend You and took the taller young girl to go inside with me. Not a single word of english was spoken as she turned out to be a new arrival from Isaan province just a few days on the job. A comical exchange followed of me trying to use sign language to teach her a few words...[/QUOTE]I am in Pattaya right now and I do not recount your experience at all.
Went to Bliss today and got a great BJ. WS was full of all nationalities as it should be. I did not experience that many Russians. Perhaps because I am not looking for them. Saw Germans, Italians, English, Indian, Dutch etc. Many nationalities.
The grabby part of Soi 6 is way overrated. There are great "new" places there like Nightwish and Sky Bar with no ladyboy policy. All girls only girls and free food, shots and great party atmos. When I write new they are not new names but the owner ships changed fairly recently.
My trip report will be posted when I return in 3 weeks time. If any BMs want to meet up and have a fun experience in Pattaya PM me.
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Pricing at Happy AGoGo Group: Happy, Baccara, Peppermint, Beach
[QUOTE=Fast Buck Artist;1454353]Whats the going price today for the ladies? 5 years ago I remember stopping at Happy A-Go-Go and my memory is not crisp but it was about 3000 baht for the bf + long time for a very nice girl. I like taller girls (5'5+, yea I am in the wrong country, I know) and Happy seemed to have quite a few of these. Don't want to be an overpayer that everyone hates. Where do I find a good bargain?[/QUOTE]When I was in Patts in Mar 2013 the pricing at Happy AGoGo Group establishments (including Happy GoGo) was:
BF 700 baht (whether you want the lady for ST or LT)
ST 2, 000 baht was pretty standard.
LT 3, 000 baht was pretty standard.
Of course it depends on your negotiating skills and what the lady thinks of you. With enough skill you can get the lady down to ST 1, 500 or LT 2, 500 (maybe even LT 2, 000 if she's really hungry / eager).
Though the stunners at Baccara GoGo will rarely go for ST 1, 500 baht. Or you could see if the lady will meet you after work (eg at iBar) to avoid the BF and maybe get her for a cheap freelancer ST / LT. Happy Group's tend to close at 4 am and after that I rarely seen any of their ladies at iBar / Insomnia. Hopefully my luck will be better this month.
There are some GoGos with exorbitant pricing (eg BF 1, 500 before midnight, BF 1, 000 after midnight) , with the ladies quoting ridiculous ST / LT prices, such as:
- On Walking Street: Sensations, What's Up.
- On LK Metro: Lady Love
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[QUOTE=BambiJacobson; 1454656]I am in Pattaya right now and I do not recount your experience at all.
Went to Bliss today and got a great BJ.[/QUOTE]Been said before, BJ bars do not employ good looking women. Good looking women can make more money selling their looks in other places, but one thing I've noticed about Bliss is the high turnover rate they have. Seems like every month the girls change over, there was a sweet 21 year old girl there last month who had a generous mouth but she has moved on, it is hard to choose from the line up. The heavy set cashier is kinda cute, smiles a lot and makes good eye contact but for whatever reason when I show up there is a bar full of customers. Hope I catch her alone one day to see if she is game.
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[QUOTE=OnePackGuy;1454500]If you are talking the average salary man, then the last two decades have hit pretty hard, especially the young. The older ones have seniority and their pensions. The younger have none. There is also a difference whether they are expats in Thailand or guys simply vacationing. Could also be on the company tab if with clients. So you never know without asking.[/QUOTE]Take what you just listed along with mines and any others that comes should give some indication as to why they spend what they spend. Just because their economy is down doesn't mean the are broke?
LBM
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[QUOTE=Amex Spg; 1454722]When I was in Patts in Mar 2013 the pricing at Happy AGoGo Group establishments (including Happy GoGo) was:
BF 700 baht (whether you want the lady for ST or LT)
ST 2, 000 baht was pretty standard.
LT 3, 000 baht was pretty standard.[/QUOTE]Thanks, thats a handy guide. What exactly is ST here? One bonk and the girl leaves or does she leave at a certain time, like midnight?
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[QUOTE=Fast Buck Artist;1454758]Thanks, thats a handy guide. What exactly is ST here? One bonk and the girl leaves or does she leave at a certain time, like midnight?[/QUOTE]The girl leaves 1/2 second after you ejaculate. LOL.
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[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1454756]Just because their economy is down doesn't mean the are broke?
LBM[/QUOTE][url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_average_wage]Average disposable income in Japan is $27, 000 a year (in USA its $42, 000 a year)[/url] and thats before Abe devalued the yen by 30%. Furthermore, in Japan the japanese are notorious penny-pinchers, very frugal and thrifty, trying to cut expenses and avoid borrowing. This is completely at odds with the kind of behaviour we see from japanese mongers splurging like money is no object.
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How do you know they are splurging? In the Japan forums a big topic is how much for short time-answer is 2500.
Girls gravtate to them because they are so gentie. Very sensous sexually. LOL. Many a Thai girl say Japan man can make them come 3 or 4 times per short time. LOL.
And they do tip too. Funny because they don't tip elswhere. Just Thai pussy!
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[QUOTE=Fast Buck Artist; 1454799][url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_average_wage]Average disposable income in Japan is $27, 000 a year (in USA its $42, 000 a year)[/url]
And thats before Abe devalued the yen by 30. Furthermore, in Japan the japanese are notorious penny-pinchers, very frugal and thrifty, trying to cut expenses and avoid borrowing. This is completely at odds with the kind of behaviour we see from japanese mongers splurging like money is no object.[/QUOTE]You seem to got all the stats but reality then why are so many afraid to complete with them at the go go based on the disposable income the places should be empty and no ping pongs should be flying. Based on how expensive a coke or noodle is in Japan they shouldn't even be able to afford the plane ride?
I've said my piece maybe all these Japanese are visiting Thailand are all millionaires. It's hard to believe a average joe on 27, 000 even if he is saving his ass off once his wife turns her back and he hops on a flight buying drinks, throwing ping pong, and barfining several girls giving them 2, 000 baht just to go eat with him and maybe even no sex. Shit if he is only maybe 27, 000 I would like to know his secret so I can start doing that?
LBM
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[QUOTE=Fast Buck Artist;1454758]Thanks, thats a handy guide. What exactly is ST here? One bonk and the girl leaves or does she leave at a certain time, like midnight?[/QUOTE]Sorry not a flame? You just quoted stats regarding the average joes makes in japan but you don't know what you are going to get for ST?
LBM
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[QUOTE=Fast Buck Artist; 1454799][url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_average_wage]Average disposable income in Japan is $27, 000 a year (in USA its $42, 000 a year)[/url]
And thats before Abe devalued the yen by 30. Furthermore, in Japan the japanese are notorious penny-pinchers, very frugal and thrifty, trying to cut expenses and avoid borrowing. This is completely at odds with the kind of behaviour we see from japanese mongers splurging like money is no object.[/QUOTE]Nonsense. I don't even need to Google that to see that your numbers are wildly wrong.
For example the average salary in the UK is about Ł25K, so I suspect your USA figure is average salary, or perhaps post-tax salary? Disposable income is perhaps 10. 15% of salary, depending on circumstances. So an average Brit might have disposable income of Ł3K; probably about double that in the States?
So why are the Japanese big spenders in Thailand? Firstly, they do have more disposable income because they have less debt in general, so more likely to spend wildly on holiday. Second, you are seeing the big spenders. There are plenty of other Japs who have cheap holidays, and perhaps stay in Japan. It's not that cheap to fly out of Japan, so there is a self-selecting group of above average earning salarymen who come to Thailand, and may even be on company expenses. But most importantly, everything is so cheap in Thailand compared with Japan that it seems like petty cash to them. I remember my first trip to Thailand, getting 70 baht to the Ł. A taxi driver tried to rip me off by asking 100 baht for a short journey. I was so embarrassed at paying just over Ł that I gave him 200 baht. I wouldn't do that again. But a Jap who is used to paying Ł500 for a session with a nice Japanese girl will think nothing if dropping 5000 baht for ST with a Thai gogo dancer.
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[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1454941]You seem to got all the stats but reality then why are so many afraid to complete with them at the go go based on the disposable income the places should be empty and no ping pongs should be flying. Based on how expensive a coke or noodle is in Japan they shouldn't even be able to afford the plane ride?
I've said my piece maybe all these Japanese are visiting Thailand are all millionaires. It's hard to believe a average joe on 27, 000 even if he is saving his ass off once his wife turns her back and he hops on a flight buying drinks, throwing ping pong, and barfining several girls giving them 2, 000 baht just to go eat with him and maybe even no sex. Shit if he is only maybe 27, 000 I would like to know his secret so I can start doing that?
LBM[/QUOTE]LBM.
He doesn't understand the concept of disposable income.
Mouse
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Insomnia Disco
The place to be in case you are in the mood for a long night of dance and festivity.
Noticed the same gangs of farang and girls day after day with their usual seating and corners.
Scored 3 times from there on 4 nights and got a snog from a starfish type gogo girl.
Well she bought me a few rounds as well and asked me to pass by her go go the next day.
That and the events will be in another story.
Overall, great place to hang out, plenty of girls. Be careful and look around before you finalise as its pretty dark.
The club card is a good investment, went for the normal one and a friend took a gold which allows 2 guest to be taken with you upstairs.
A percentage of the drinks get added up which can be exchanged for drinks or souvenirs later.
You will see that from the pics, it has a great view but the action is all down.
So the best thing is to score downstairs and bring her up where its a bit quiet and better illuminated.
Stick to one waiter and get billed in the end for extra style.
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I can see a Ippun newbie looking at the price list st 2.5 k and lt 4.5 and saying to the girl I really would enjoy paying double your asking price. LOL.
You guys are off on another planet!
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[QUOTE=Mouse1; 1454949]LBM.
He doesn't understand the concept of disposable income.
Mouse[/QUOTE]Not just the Japanese?
Last night I went out to one of the popular go go, Not much seating but one of the waiter who knew me told me to seat here and I noticed that although there wasn't a bin cup there were drinks and a asktray but no one sitting at the time. After a while a guy came back and pointed he was sitting in the inner part of the booth, I let him back in. As soon as he sat down one of the girls came up and sat down next to him. I've seen this girl many of times not a great looker but nice body and legs after a while. Sudden she gets up I move slightly to let her out and the guy says to her in English "5700 Baht" she says yes. As she left I could see him talking to a friend in the front and then counting out his money before the mamasan came with the actual bill. The transaction was one that required the guy to pay the barine and tip for the girl before the actual service.
The guy was around late 40's and a American, I hope the 5000 baht for LT was worth it?
LBM
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[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1455221]The guy was around late 40's and a American, I hope the 5000 baht for LT was worth it?
LBM[/QUOTE]I hope it was LT and not ST. :D
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[QUOTE=Streetwalker7; 1455075]I can see a Ippun newbie looking at the price list st 2. 5 k and lt 4. 5 and saying to the girl I really would enjoy paying double your asking price. LOL.
You guys are off on another planet![/QUOTE]Which bars in Pattaya have a physical price list for ST / LT as opposed to verbal communication? The Japanese don't look at a price list just like the rest of us don't. The girls know Japanese customers are easier to over charge than Western customers are and the last time you were in Pattaya was?
Regards,
BJ
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[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1455318]I hope it was LT and not ST. :D[/QUOTE]Yea, it was because I was there for hours, throwing 100 bahts around, basket of ping pong everywhere every hour on the hour. Buying drinks for the ladies as they came and went? Couldn't keep track but I never saw her the rest of the evening? Then I woke up and it was all a dream thought I was Japanese for a while.
LBM
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Walk talk but don't stalk
Random shots from Walking Street, love the atmosphere.
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The Ushers Part 1
You see them hustling customers, giving out flyers. Some of them are quite characters. Wish the ones in Baccara and Happy smiled a bit more.
Didn't judge all blokes by the color of their skin and demand ridiculous membership fees which are less than an hours wages for us.
Anyways, that's our mutual loss.
Here is a selection of some of the ones that do small and do small talk.
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Ushers. Part 2
Some more interesting shots.
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Last pull at WS
i have my flight out tomorrow (btw, bus price to airport has doubled: bt. 250) and did the usual, but last visit at ws pub around 12:30 am.
usual faces to seen, the tall stunner is still around sometime, and seem approachable; good luck with that. then there is "short air nice ass", also tallish, but i have reason to believe she's a biatch, and i never seen her with a customer.
anyway i focused on the ones sized right for me (small) of which there is always less and less. did not see "dark blonde supercutie", and that was probably good. i wanted to be sure i would not take home another useless body, so i was careful in my interview. as i approach the first that looked better than you know what, i got mixed signals."1000 ok?". "ok st". "st i come 2 times ok?". "ok 1 hour 20 minutes (wtf?)". "do you like to fuck, have feelings or not?". "nitnoi (means a little)". that was light bs, but enough to skip to the next, exactly 2 steps away at another table. there i did not negotiated the pops to be had for 1k, but the package looked right, ass grinding correctly performed, kinda got good vibes, so off we went.
she was drunkish, yet totally alert. wearing stiletto shoes two sizes too big, it was painful to just look at her stumbling around. with a bit of insistence i had her remove them, for which she said that no man had done that before. it seemed like a romantic dream coming true right in the middle of walking street.
the bike ride was encouraging with her sofly tonguing the back of my neck. "i like people that smells good". "me too". "what perfume is this?" "peng (means expensive) water". laughs.
in the room all starts ok, her body is as good as her isaan class can deliver, she shows a good will with a straight out-of-the-pants sloppy bj. as she spits on my cock i have the intuition, supported by the thai-british accent that she had a formal ladybar career, a fact she confirms.
some good shagging follows, dfk, nothing exceptional allowed, but it worked out good enough for my purposes (missed visit from lover). after a ball recharging rest, the issue of a 2nd pop comes up. her prosecution line for not allowing it: "all customers get the same treatment". i don't remember which exact words she used but it was like listening to a speech about fairness in prostitution. i had my arguments too, "all lady (never use plurals when in thailand) take 1000 lt", and "i did good for you, now show me you good too, then after i good more".
she retreated for the decision in her alcoholic mental chamber, laid back a little, visited the bathroom for a quick throw up, and generally acted like it could go my way. but it did not, her words were, and i joke you not, "ladybar never loose".
i acted all cool (jay ien ien) as any gentleman should do in most occasions. no numbers were exchanged, just as well no major body fluids. she takes the door without taxi money; i take to the thinkpad (famous chinese laptop brand) to make hobby money for tomorrow.
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Go Go Pricing Update
[QUOTE=Amex Spg;1454722]In March 2013 the pricing at Happy AGoGo Group establishments (including Happy GoGo) was pretty standard: BF 700. ST 2000 & LT 3000. There are some go-gos with exorbitant pricing (BF 1500 before midnight & 1000 after midnight) with the ladies quoting ridiculous ST / LT prices: Walking Street: Sensations, What's Up. LK Metro: Lady Love[/QUOTE]Kudos to Mr. Spg for this informative report. Always great to get hard data about the state of the market.
Bunky
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Pattaya Funnies. Indecent Proposal
Came across this fella on beach road, standing right in the middle and snapping away.
Anybody know him?
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[QUOTE=CorporateMalaya; 1456289]Came across this fella on beach road, standing right in the middle and snapping away.
Anybody know him?[/QUOTE]Yeah, that's HotShaneHot
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Thai Adventures Compendium
fellow users can get details of individual outings through separate posts. thought of penning a compendium of resources which might be helpful to fellow travelers making trips to bkk or pattaya.
[b]pre-travel[/b]
budget traveler's can pre-book your transfers through the bell transport company and carry the print out to their desk at level 1, gate no. 8. they have recently hiked up their fares to baht 250 (previously 200). they allow 1 piece luggage with the maximum weight of 20 kg. additional luggage is another 50 baht / piece. booking online will guarantee you a seat on the bus (in case its full) for the time slot you desire and save you a 20 baht. the schedule is 8, 10, 12, 2.4 and 6 pm. these guys are suckers at times and can make you wait for the next bus, so insist and show that you have the booking. being a sole traveler, this option does suit me and i used it for my travel from pattaya to bangkok as well. if you are a group of 3-4 makes more sense getting a taxi reserved, they do the same for around 1200 baht.
[url]http://www.belltravelservice.com/pages/pagehome.aspx[/url]
[b]cd's and early morning snacks. [/b]
if your hotel doesn't include a breakfast or is a bit far from the nearest 7-11. it makes sense packing some biscuits, snacks or 3 in1 coffee of your liking. this does helpto steady the morning after a night of booze, activities and eating unfamiliar food. else you can pick up something at the shops in level 2 in suvarnabhoomi or near the hotel. i carry my cd's from home to be rationed during the trip, durex and nothing else.
[b]immigration & customs. [/b]
even if your passport has visa on arrival, take my advice and get it stamped at your country of origin. saves you time, sweat and the experience sitting between 40 odd blokes belching and yawning, recovering at best from the on-flight binge. just be careful with your cigarette and tobacco limits.
[b]telecom. [/b]
if you are lucky you would be getting a happy sim card from their sales team in air bridge on disembarkation. i got one last time but needed a micro sim card for my i-phone. so swapped the free sim at their counter on level 2 for a micro at a small fee with first data unlimited data. load based on your estimate calls and retain the booklet which comes with the sim for shortcuts and codes to get the cheaper rates for international dialing. network was pretty good most places and i used the hotel wi-fi for data when indoors.
[b]pattaya action. [/b]
[b]accommodation. [/b]
you are spoilt for choice and by price. one question you can ask is the time of the year you are visiting and if you plan to rent a bike. my first trip i stayed near pattayaklang or central pattaya road, which can be roughly taken as the half way mark. after my initial study realising that there is not much of activity apart from rasputin and the drinking street near soi 1 and 2. this area is much greener and spaced out though but the same space can be scary when walking unescorted at night. my second trip shifted somewhere half way between pattaya klang and south pattaya road. this keeps you equidistant to the gogo's on walking street and the beer bars on soi8. and very near to the other action area soi lk metro and soi buakhao. my third trip (based on trip advisor recommendations) landed me a stone's throw from walking street, ideal for late night surveys of the nightclub and late take outs.
[b]action. [/b]
as others have mentioned before, patt's is a sexual disneyland. anything and everything goes or is available depending on your taste.
the variables which you need to decide before hand are three with one common result:
[b]what you need (which could be in the confined of your room or could be standing in a bar). variables 1, 2, & 3. [/b]
[b]1. how much you are willing to spend, [/b]
[b]2. how hard do you want to work for it. [/b]
[b]3. what level of looks, physique and age are requisite. [/b]
all of these are related, with 1 & 3 most strongly linear. the better the looks, the more you pay.
i will give these choices a rating as well, a, b, c with a being low, b for medium and c for high. let me recommend and list out some of these options available on thebasis of what you need starting out with an example. say you are looking for back door entry, devils den on soi lk metro out-call would be a good choice. the price is reasonable at 2000 baht for 90 mins (mid price) , it's real easy, browse the site, send a mail, rest on your bed till the room bell rings. it's as simple as that (very easy)and the girl if, picked correctly are above average (mid again) and in terms of performance superlative. so we can give it a grading of b, a, b.
let us do another one, back door entry with 2 at a time: results could be devils den again with c, a, b, the cost has gone up a bit as 4000 baht is a lot of money for the average monger to blow in one setting. another choice would be the beach road or coconut bar with a, c, a. as you can see you need work harder, chances of scoring an older gal or one with post pregnancy scarring is high; but you save yourself a good 2, 500 baht. dd can also be recommended for the variety on their menu, things like anal fingering while getting a bbbj or [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord118][CodeWord118][/url]. more of that can be found in my pick- up reports; now let us head for the listing. apologies for the formatting of the table below, my first attempt using indents and spacing. after an hour i gave up why the middle and right spacing comes shifted to the next lines. you will have to just train your eyes to read diagonally instead of a straight line.
[b]desire[/b][b][center]place to go[/center][/b][b][right]variables (1, 2 and 3) [/right][/b]
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[*][b][left]a levels[/left][/b][center]devils den[/center][right]b, a, b[/right]
[*][b][left]bbbj (on the premises) [/left][/b] [center][url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s, some bars on soi 6[/center] [right]a, a, a[/right]
[*][b][left]ladyboys (on the premises) [/left][/b] [center]pook bar, soi 6. the girls have arrangements[/center] [right]b, b, b[/right].
[*][b][left]ladyboys (takeaway) [/left][/b][center]pook again, alley behind soi 6 (beware) , wk street, marine disco[/center][right] b, b, b[/right]
[*][b][left]two / three some (on site) [/left][/b] [center]devils den[/center] [right]b, a, b[/right]
[*][b][left]two / three some (room) [/left][/b] [center]beach road[/center] [right]a, b, a[/right]
[*][b][left]two / three some (room) [/left][/b] [center]beer bars[/center][right]b, b, b[/right]
[*][b][left]two / three some (room) [/left][/b] [center]go go's[/center][right]c, b, c[/right]
[*][b][left]shows + a* talent[/left][/b] [center]go go's: windmill, xzone, living doll showcase[/center] [right]c, b, b[/right]
[*][b][left]two / three some (room) [/left][/b] [center]disco's (insomnia, lucifer, marine, mixx) [/center] [right]b, c, a[/right]
[*][b][left]european fantasy (virtual. inside your head) [/left][/b] [center]galaxy cabaret[/center] [right]b, b, c[/right]
[*][b][left]european twosome[/left][/b] [center]walking street[/center] [right]b, a, a[/right]
[*][b][left]soapy massage full service[/left][/b] [center]rasputin, honey, sabai dee, dream teen[/center] [right]b, a, b[/right]
[*][b][left]boy toys[/left][/b] [center]soi pattayaland[/center][right]? ? ? [/right]
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i am sure, as you gather more experience, the more telephone numbers you collect, the longer you stay, better economies of price do come into play. this holds true for go-go's and freelancers too. i have had freelance pickups who say up to you, now it's all in your luck how much you can get away with. but to be reasonable, do payaccording to the variables below so no party is cheated. this only ensures better performance, exchange of numbers and future sessions of to higher states of ecstasy.
[b]bangkok action[/b]
bangkok is pretty spread out and required time and preferably a set of wheels in case you are approaching it with a view of covering all the joints. i have generally find a medium star hotel between soi8 or soi11 which makes nana and soi cowboy a comfortable 10 minute walk each side. i can personally recommend on8 and the ambassador. the place has everything you need, plenty to eat, bars, massage joints, street food and souvenirs. only sad part is it is very crowded and busy. i have never visited patpong, it is still on my plans but it always takes a back seat due to distance and lack of familiarity.
now let us do the same desire, place and variable chart for bkk using the same variables 1, 2, & 3. how much you are willing to spend (1) , how hard do you want to work for it (2) and what level of looks, physique and age (3) , are requisite to fulfil a certain desire.
[b][left]desire[/left][/b] [b][center]place to go[/center][/b]. [b][right]variables (1, 2 and 3) [/right][/b]
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[*][b][left]bbbj (on the premises) [/left][/b] [center][url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s (soi 8) , dr bj (soi 7) [/center] [right]a, a, a[/right]
[*][b][left]two / three some (on site) with a*[/left][/b] [center]eden club, soi 7[/center] [right]b, a, a[/right]
[*][b][left]two / three some (room) [/left][/b] [center]beer garden, gullivers, thermae[/center] [right]b, b, b[/right]
[*][b][left]two / three some (room) africans[/left][/b] [center]soi 4 junction, towards nana bts[/center] [right]a, a, a[/right]
[*][b][left]ladyboys[/left][/b] [center]nana parking[/center] [right]a, a, b[/right]
[*][b][left]two / three some (room) [/left][/b] [center]go go's (nana / soi cowboy) [/center][right]c, b, c[/right]
[*][b][left]two / three some (room) [/left][/b] [center]disco's (q bar, climax, nana liquid) [/center] [right]c, c, c[/right]
[*][b][left]european twosome[/left][/b] [center]raja hotel (behind nana parking) , grace h[/center][right]b, b, b[/right]
[*][b][left]soapy massage full service[/left][/b] [center]annies, tulip, mango[/center][right]b, a, b[/right]
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there are plenty of more places to go, these are provided just for example, personal experience and ease of access. when it comes to smp's,
bkk is the place in the world to be. there are more than 40 places a lot concentrated in the soi's after asoke bts near emporium and ratchadaphisek road.
hope this report is useful and helps you find what you are looking for as per your budget and taste, have fun and stay safe.
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Kudos!
[QUOTE=CorporateMalaya;1456324]Fellow users can get details of individual outings through separate posts. Thought of penning a compendium of resources which might be helpful to fellow travelers making trips to BKK or Pattaya and stay safe.[/QUOTE]Now that's what a bloody brilliant report looks like.
Thanks so much for the great effort in putting this up.
I'm reaching Pattaya on the 16th and needed something like this.
Do the freelancers engage in threesomes fully? I've read contradictory reports with most of the times one girl locking herself int he bathroom till the other one is done or something like that?
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[QUOTE=CorporateMalaya;1456324]The better the looks, the more you pay.[/QUOTE]What would you pay for a Shnae type of girl? I'm thinking 100 baht, a can of tuna and a snickers bar. Am I spoiling the market. LOL.
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[QUOTE=CorporateMalaya;1456324]Fellow users can get details of individual outings through separate posts. Thought of penning a compendium of resources which might be helpful to fellow travelers making trips to BKK or Pattaya.[/QUOTE]Great help. Thanks a ton.
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It's all luck and negotiation
[QUOTE=TurnipShoe; 1456332]Now that's what a bloody brilliant report looks like.
Thanks so much for the great effort in putting this up.
I'm reaching Pattaya on the 16th and needed something like this.
Do the freelancers engage in threesomes fully? I've read contradictory reports with most of the times one girl locking herself int he bathroom till the other one is done or something like that?[/QUOTE]Of the 2 times I have tried, they have been pretty ordinary. With some training and alcohol am sure you could get better results
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[QUOTE=Streetwalker7;1456341]I'm thinking 100 baht, a can of tuna and a snickers bar.[/QUOTE]Change it to a Hershey's bar and I think you'll be right on the money SW7.
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Ushers continued Part 3
More sights and sounds from WS especially the Fahrenheit and Alcatraz crew who I think have the biggest contingent out on the road. Such a pity they apply the same silly MEMBERS only policy for entry on sober hardworking mongers such as me. Never been inside either of them. Maybe next time I will l start a new trend of ROAD FINING, pulling the help from outside, will be cost effective than bar fining. Some of them are quite cute as you can see.
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Bangkok Playboy in town
I've been too busy running shit in Bangkok I forgot how awesome this town is. 150 days in Thailand and only 6 in Pattaya is tragic. I may have to extend my 5 days down here. 8pm and 60 girls on Beach Road and I find a couple of petite MILF's up to my standard. 36 from Isan that speaks no English, and 32 from Chonburi. They look to be 25 each. Short time hotel is out of the question and I find out my hotel charges 500 baht for a second girl when the first one is free so we wind up going to the younger one's apartment. Double blowjob and smash them both and blow my coconut water on the older one who I think is hotter. Give them 500 baht each and ask if they are hungry because I am and need to find out some cheaper eating options in this town. The two take me to a spot of Walking Street and pay for my meal while constantly being hit up on their phone by free spending suckers. I ask them their rent because I just might have to move down here if I kill it this week. Yes there are a lot of dogs in this town but they can suck that dummy dick because I see a lot of opportunity too. The youngest pays 4000 and the oldest pays 6000 and asked me to move in with her. No way and don't even want their numbers but really sweet girls and a nice rendezvous after a stretch of young bad service, bad chemistry hotties. Want to hit up the club now for a more proper piece but don't too damn tired. As they say, tomorrow is another day.
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[QUOTE=CorporateMalaya; 1456324][b]Immigration & Customs. [/b]
Even if your passport has visa on arrival, take my advice and get it stamped at your country of origin. Saves you time, sweat and the experience sitting between 40 odd blokes belching and yawning, recovering at best from the on-flight binge. Just be careful with your cigarette and tobacco limits.[/QUOTE]Excuse me, WTF are you talking about? If by "stamping" you mean "getting a Visa", perhaps you are forgetting that it costs money, about $60, requires passport pictures, and that one goes to a local embassy or consulate, or mail-in passport (not all countries allow that) , with all the associated expense and inconvenience.
Then in any case, the line at immigration is exactly the same for both Visa and non-Visa holders. Only Thai citizens have a separate line.
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[QUOTE=Marcos; 1457103]Excuse me, WTF are you talking about? If by "stamping" you mean "getting a Visa", perhaps you are forgetting that it costs money, about $60, passport pictures, and that you go to a local consulate, or mail-in you passport (no all countries allow that) , with all the associated expense and aggravation.
In any case, the line at immigration is the same for both Visa and non-Visa holders. Only Thai citizens have a separate line.[/QUOTE]And many of us are even exempt from getting visa, so why should you go through all this trouble?
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[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1457105]And many of us are even exempt from getting visa, so why should you go through all this trouble?[/QUOTE]Reading OP again, he mentioned "Visa on arrival". That exists only for few countries, mostly mid-eastern ones, that certainly are home to a small minority of members of this board.
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The Emperor off his game but gets redemption
Wake up super dopey and head over to Insomnia at 4.30 am. Not exceptionally horny or in a rush to cum on something, so go for the two baddest bitches in the club and won't settle for anything less. Super sexy and professional dance level. This is becoming a problem of mine because I can't dance and do better in my native country with non-pros in this regard where I could at least charm myself into an occasional hot piece of pussy. The hottest one who I spent the majority of the time asks me to buy her and her friend drinks when I get there and I refuse. I happened to drink out both their cups which tastes like rum and coke. I chill with them for a whole 2 hours with lots of dick teasing and even get a little sugar. Then after shot person comes over for the millionth time I reluctantly finally agree to buy a shot for myself and the 2 girls, thinking it might help and I did drink out their glass earlier. Well shortly thereafter they ditched me and treated me like a piece of shit. I'm baffled. Maybe because I forgot to tip shot girl but I don't think so. I swear on the life of me I will never ever, fucking ever, fucking never ever buy a girl I just met a drink in the rest of my life. I don't care if it costs me the best piece of ass ever.
Good breakfast and then 100 baht massage and tip 50 baht. The 48 year old masseuse is physically awful but I inquire about blowjob for shits and giggles thinking I might just let her suck one out of me for 200 or 300 baht. My blowjob standards are horribly lower then my sex standards but thankfully she says hand job only and I refuse. I am trying to find my way to beach road but am going the wrong way like a dizzy dick when I see a heavy chested MILF around 3rd street and Soi 20 something. I walk right up in her room with her and find out she works at a bar on soi buakhao. And she is drinking Thai whiskey. How lovely. To my surprise she puts up a fight on my love making attempts but eventually submits and gets really into. Looks like a tyrannosaurus rex attacked and I'm going to have to stay down here awhile until these scratch marks heal because my girlfriend can't see this shit. My first dark one in months. We fuck for awhile and I finally flip it over for awhile when I see she has her period. Interesting but what is more nuts is she has one of the widest assholes I've come across so I pass on doggie and go straight up her Hershey highway. Drill it and she doesn't even tap out. Finally flip her over and spray some protein on her. She is not in love with me so I drop 500 baht on her side table and bounce. She does not complain.
If you can make it in America you can make it anywhere. And if you can make it in Bangkok you can fuck Pattaya up the ass until it bleeds.
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Well. You have corrected yourself
[QUOTE=Marcos;1457110]Reading OP again, he mentioned "Visa on arrival". That exists only for few countries, mostly mid-eastern ones, that certainly are home to a small minority of members of this board.[/QUOTE]My advice was specific for passports who have the option of getting visa on arrival, not for folks who have visa exempted for 30 days. Three big contingents come under this system: China, India and Russia. There is a separate seating area and call out where you submit the paperwork. You will see this are to your left before you get to the gentle slope which leads to the main immigration area at Suvarnabhoomi.
The List of countries and territories are:
1. Bhutan : Kingdom of Bhutan.
2. China : People's Republic of China.
3. Cyprus : Republic of Cyprus.
4. Czech : Czech Republic.
5. Estonia : Republic of Estonia.
6. Hungary : Republic of Hungary.
7. India : Republic of India.
8. Kazakhstan : Republic of Kazakhstan.
9. Latvia : Republic of Latvia.
10. Liechtenstein : Principality of Liechtenstein.
11. Lithuania : Republic of Lithuania.
12. Maldives : Republic of Maldives.
13. Mauritius : Republic of Mauritius.
14. Oman : Sultanate of Oman.
15. Poland : Republic of Poland.
16. Russian Federation.
17. Saudi Arabia : Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.
18. Slovakia : Slovak Republic.
19. Slovenia : Republic of Slovenia
20. Uzbekistan.
21. Ukraine.
22. Federal Democratic Republic of Ethiopia
23. Taiwan.
24. Bulgaria.
25. Andorra.
26. Malta.
27. Romania.
28. San Marino
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Japanese are the '2' men in Thailand
[QUOTE=Mouse1; 1454948]Nonsense. I don't even need to Google that to see that your numbers are wildly wrong.
For example the average salary in the UK is about Ł25K, so I suspect your USA figure is average salary, or perhaps post-tax salary? Disposable income is perhaps 10. 15% of salary, depending on circumstances. So an average Brit might have disposable income of Ł3K; probably about double that in the States?
So why are the Japanese big spenders in Thailand? Firstly, they do have more disposable income because they have less debt in general, so more likely to spend wildly on holiday. Second, you are seeing the big spenders. There are plenty of other Japs who have cheap holidays, and perhaps stay in Japan. It's not that cheap to fly out of Japan, so there is a self-selecting group of above average earning salarymen who come to Thailand, and may even be on company expenses. But most importantly, everything is so cheap in Thailand compared with Japan that it seems like petty cash to them. I remember my first trip to Thailand, getting 70 baht to the Ł. A taxi driver tried to rip me off by asking 100 baht for a short journey. I was so embarrassed at paying just over Ł that I gave him 200 baht. I wouldn't do that again. But a Jap who is used to paying Ł500 for a session with a nice Japanese girl will think nothing if dropping 5000 baht for ST with a Thai gogo dancer.[/QUOTE]The Japanese are known as the '2' men in Thailand by the Thai ladies. This is because most of them are only 2 inches long, last 2 min in sex and pay 2000 baht for 30min.
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When I first came to Thailand 6 months ago I did something really stupid. Went to an MP in Pattaya and got a great blowjob from a young hottie but did not give her money. I did not realize you were supposed to tip over the 200 baht massage price. I felt bad about that and wanted to repay her but have forgotten about it for months. Well unknowingly I walk past her shop and she calls me out and says I saw her before for and really wants me to come in which is funny considering the circumstances. I don't recognize her and this is amazing to me because I look different and some girls don't remember you from the night before. I tell her I forgot to pay her before and will give her a little extra this time and we get right into fucking in the shop. Last time she told me she couldn't fuck in the shop. This girl is such a diamond in the rough considering the 100's of massage shop girl offering I've seen before. Sickest young little body, great personality and amazing service. I give her more then I usually would of and split.
Later in the night I see the best piece of ass I've seen on beach road. A flawless 19 year old. I take her to my room and it's my first bad service from that venue. I give her less then the agreed upon price and more then she deserved. This shit is getting really old and I will be putting a stop to it. I will be letting girls know up front everything I want in more detail then ever and tell them if they do not I will not be giving them the full amount which should defuse the crazy. Too many girls to keep wasting my money on and this is better then giving up and just fucking 40 year old pros or constantly putting work in on gold diggers and non pros.
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Visa on arrival
[QUOTE=Marcos;1457110]Reading OP again, he mentioned "Visa on arrival". That exists only for few countries, mostly mid-eastern ones, that certainly are home to a small minority of members of this board.[/QUOTE]Americans also get "Visa on arrival", and it's just a stamp on your passport that lists your arrival date, and the date that you are required to leave the country (which for Americans is 30 days after arrival) , and there is no charge, and it doesn't take any longer than those folks that have visas.
I've never been in line at immigration for more than 15 minutes. They always know when the planes are arriving and they add extra agents as necessary.
I know everyone likes to bash the Thai authorities, but I've waited MUCH longer at immigration in Los Angeles, Miami, San Francisco, and Las Vegas.
Kudos to the Thais for their efficiency, at least in regard to immigration.
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Visa on arrival vs Visa waiver / exemption
[QUOTE=David 2; 1457402]Americans also get "Visa on arrival", and it's just a stamp on your passport that lists your arrival date, and the date that you are required to leave the country (which for Americans is 30 days after arrival) , and there is no charge, and it doesn't take any longer than those folks that have visas.
I've never been in line at immigration for more than 15 minutes. They always know when the planes are arriving and they add extra agents as necessary.
I know everyone likes to bash the Thai authorities, but I've waited MUCH longer at immigration in Los Angeles, Miami, San Francisco, and Las Vegas.
Kudos to the Thais for their efficiency, at least in regard to immigration.[/QUOTE]That's not a visa on arrival, that is a visa waiver / exemption.
As mentioned earlier, there are countries whose citizens are required to get an actual visa when they arrive. I've never seen one of these visa on arrival visas, but I imagine it's the same as the kind Americans get from the Thai embassy in the US that takes up an entire page in the passport.
This whole discussion should be in General.
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[QUOTE=AdvanceBooking;1457262]The Japanese are known as the '2' men in Thailand by the Thai ladies. This is because most of them are only 2 inches long, last 2 min in sex and pay 2000 baht for 30min.[/QUOTE]I've heard it was 333: three inches, three minutes, three thousand.
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[QUOTE=NeverJerkOff; 1457185]Wake up super dopey and head over to Insomnia at 4. 30 am. Not exceptionally horny or in a rush to cum on something, so go for the two baddest bitches in the club and won't settle for anything less. Super sexy and professional dance level. This is becoming a problem of mine because I can't dance and do better in my native country with non-pros in this regard where I could at least charm myself into an occasional hot piece of pussy. The hottest one who I spent the majority of the time asks me to buy her and her friend drinks when I get there and I refuse. I happened to drink out both their cups which tastes like rum and coke. I chill with them for a whole 2 hours with lots of dick teasing and even get a little sugar. Then after shot person comes over for the millionth time I reluctantly finally agree to buy a shot for myself and the 2 girls, thinking it might help and I did drink out their glass earlier. Well shortly thereafter they ditched me and treated me like a piece of shit. I'm baffled. Maybe because I forgot to tip shot girl but I don't think so. I swear on the life of me I will never ever, fucking ever, fucking never ever buy a girl I just met a drink in the rest of my life. I don't care if it costs me the best piece of ass ever.
Good breakfast and then 100 baht massage and tip 50 baht. The 48 year old masseuse is physically awful but I inquire about blowjob for shits and giggles thinking I might just let her suck one out of me for 200 or 300 baht. My blowjob standards are horribly lower then my sex standards but thankfully she says hand job only and I refuse. I am trying to find my way to beach road but am going the wrong way like a dizzy dick when I see a heavy chested MILF around 3rd street and Soi 20 something. I walk right up in her room with her and find out she works at a bar on soi buakhao. And she is drinking Thai whiskey. How lovely. To my surprise she puts up a fight on my love making attempts but eventually submits and gets really into. Looks like a tyrannosaurus rex attacked and I'm going to have to stay down here awhile until these scratch marks heal because my girlfriend can't see this shit. My first dark one in months. We fuck for awhile and I finally flip it over for awhile when I see she has her period. Interesting but what is more nuts is she has one of the widest assholes I've come across so I pass on doggie and go straight up her Hershey highway. Drill it and she doesn't even tap out. Finally flip her over and spray some protein on her. She is not in love with me so I drop 500 baht on her side table and bounce. She does not complain.
If you can make it in America you can make it anywhere. And if you can make it in Bangkok you can fuck Pattaya up the ass until it bleeds.[/QUOTE]Nice report, not too long and not full of foofoo junk that belongs in a romance novel
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Tips the girls and.
I am a newbie in Pattaya and learning things from you people. A lot of useful information I can see from your report. I hope I will also add some once I go there in next week. Going through the reports and people experiences I have some queries.
1. For a bar we are paying lady drinks + bar fines (if the girl is taken) but it seems they sometimes add mamasan 's drink and tip for them w / o asking is it common practice?
2. In a massage par lour like Honey 1/2 etc do we need to pay lady drink? Because we are selecting the girl from many and not talking to her or passing some time with her.
One common problem is to get enough denomination in 10/20 of which they are taking adv by keeping the changes w / o asking. But if they started billing high by adding lady / mamasan drinks also then general cost will be topped up with another few hundreds baht.
Any view on this from you experienced people? What do you think?
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[QUOTE=NewLook11; 1457473]1. For a bar we are paying lady drinks + bar fines (if the girl is taken) but it seems they sometimes add mamasan 's drink and tip for them w / o asking is it common practice?
2. In a massage par lour like Honey 1/2 etc do we need to pay lady drink? Because we are selecting the girl from many and not talking to her or passing some time with her.[/QUOTE]1. I can't recall a single incident of this happening. Quite often you'll be chatting with your choice of girl and the mamasan will ask 'drink for me? '. Just say no if you feel she doesn't warrant one. Each time you order a drink the waitress will serve your drink and then put the bill for it in a small plastic cup on your table. If you order a lady-drink for a girl the same things happens. The girl will get her watered down whiskey and coke and the bill for it will be placed in your plastic cup. All you need to do is make sure each time a bill is placed in your cup, you check it. This way you won't pay for anything you haven't agreed on.
2. No. All massage parlours tend to be similar. You go in, sit down, possibly buy a drink for yourself and make a leisurely choice of lady. When you have chosen one, you will go to a counter and pay and moments later your girl will appear at your side. She will lead you up to the room and then as she is running the bath, there will be a knock on the door and a guy / gal will appear asking 'drinks sir? '. You can buy yourself another drink or your girl a drink but it's not mandatory. The drinks prices are generally quite reasonable though.
Incidentally, although Honey and Honey 2 have some nice girls, you might like to consider some of the other massage parlours in Pattaya, like Dream Teen and Sabai Dee. I posted reports on each in my diary earlier this year (click 'view original post' if you'd like to read) :
[QUOTE=Sir Lancelot;1431324]Inside was a long fishbowl, in front of which was a row of leather couches. There were 25 girls sitting on the steps.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Sir Lancelot;1431693]I spotted half a dozen strong candidates, most of whom were sat in the cheap seats.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Sir Lancelot;1430779]Sabai Dee is a large colourful building located on 2nd road.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Sir Lancelot;1431924]I walked in and a young girl behind reception showed me a photo album with photos of the girls.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=NewLook11;1457473]I am a newbie in Pattaya and learning things from you people. A lot of useful information I can see from your report. I hope I will also add some once I go there in next week. Going through the reports and people experiences I have some queries.[/QUOTE]Waiting to hear from you soon.
[QUOTE=NewLook11;1457473]1. For a bar we are paying lady drinks + bar fines (if the girl is taken) but it seems they sometimes add mamasan 's drink and tip for them w / o asking is it common practice?[/QUOTE]In my experience, I never asked for such kind of donation on demand. I had always paid, what I used thereby.
[QUOTE=NewLook11;1457473]2. In a massage par lour like Honey 1/2 etc do we need to pay lady drink? Because we are selecting the girl from many and not talking to her or passing some time with her.[/QUOTE]It is not mandatory to buy a lady drinks for your girl. If you are thirsty or generous enough to buy a drink for your girl inside the massage room, than you can be.
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[QUOTE=Sir Lancelot; 1457679]1. I can't recall a single incident of this happening. Quite often you'll be chatting with your choice of girl and the mamasan will ask 'drink for me? '. Just say no if you feel she doesn't warrant one. Each time you order a drink the waitress will serve your drink and then put the bill for it in a small plastic cup on your table. If you order a lady-drink for a girl the same things happens. The girl will get her watered down whiskey and coke and the bill for it will be placed in your plastic cup. All you need to do is make sure each time a bill is placed in your cup, you check it. This way you won't pay for anything you haven't agreed on.
2. No. All massage parlours tend to be similar. You go in, sit down, possibly buy a drink for yourself and make a leisurely choice of lady. When you have chosen one, you will go to a counter and pay and moments later your girl will appear at your side. She will lead you up to the room and then as she is running the bath, there will be a knock on the door and a guy / gal will appear asking 'drinks sir? '. You can buy yourself another drink or your girl a drink but it's not mandatory. The drinks prices are generally quite reasonable though.
Incidentally, although Honey and Honey 2 have some nice girls, you might like to consider some of the other massage parlours in Pattaya, like Dream Teen and Sabai Dee. I posted reports on each in my diary earlier this year (click 'view original post' if you'd like to read) :[/QUOTE]Thanks a lot. I found your report very informative.
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[QUOTE=RBDave; 1457428]That's not a visa on arrival, that is a visa waiver / exemption.
As mentioned earlier, there are countries whose citizens are required to get an actual visa when they arrive. I've never seen one of these visa on arrival visas, but I imagine it's the same as the kind Americans get from the Thai embassy in the US that takes up an entire page in the passport.
This whole discussion should be in General.[/QUOTE]Some countries allow some nationalities to get visa on arrival, ie you que up at the VoA office, with our form and photo. Usually this is anticipated through a local agent sending the necessary details. This will avoid the process of the visa at the country embassy in your country.
I use this to enter Vietnam as saves the hassles of sending the passport out. But it can be terribly time consuming if your plane or other planes arriving at same time have a lot of visa on arrival passengers.
Cost wise is the same, even cheaper as there are no courier or agency fees as high as at home.
This depends from country to country and based on bilateral agreements.
Some nationals are visa exempt and just que up at immigration with the filled form and get the passport stamped. It is a visa waiver procedure. Time wise depends on how the immigration boothes are busy and attended.
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[QUOTE=AdvanceBooking;1457260]Why are members posting visa rules on a sex forum. Please refrain and take your comments to thaivisa<dot com instead.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=AdvanceBooking;1457262]The Japanese are known as the '2' men in Thailand by the Thai ladies. This is because most of them are only 2 inches long, last 2 min in sex and pay 2000 baht for 30min.[/QUOTE]Only four total posts and already you're on my ignore list.
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Pattaya Pickups. Session 9
I was sharing one of the walled seats with some end of shift gogo girls in Insomnia. Saw her, Miss R walk past at around 2 am. She stood a distance away watching the dancers inside the elevated ring. Everything about her was great, superb looks, lovely hair and a curvy body exposing her flat tummy. Wanted to grab her but played patience. She was alone, was approached by a few guys but luckily nothing materialized. Cleared my tab in a hurry, and decided to go mobile for the rest of the evening. Found a spot near her and starting admiring the dancers. One of the skinny dancers inside the ring made instant eye contact and came down, she had a hot bod too. Held on to me and asked for vodka shot which I agreed to and danced on looking for some interest from her. She finally acknowledged my presence and gave a smile. A good 15 minutes passed, she just standing there among the river of revelers moving through the club with me extracting my vodka shot through a proper top to bottom physical inspection using both of my hands. The dancer demanded a second shot of vodka and when I said later, went back to her dance routine again. Would love to get some insights from others who have scored with these dancers as well.
A bit of talk revealed a nice voice and decent vocabulary. Asked her if she was hungry and walked out of the club. She took me to an eating joint in one of soi's intersecting in WS. Asked her if she wanted to drink, and escorted her to my room. Opened a few beers and sat on the balcony waiting for the sun to rise. It is strange how sex can take a back seat at times when you find someone who you can converse with. Had to retreat inside the room, other early risers very having their morning tea on nearby balconies.
Had a shower together, she scrubbed me in a real gf way, laughing, giggling. Finally hit the bed and asked her in advance about her waking up plans in case she pulled a runner. She was in no hurry, and she slipped under the covers to start a wet BBBJ. Her skills were good, she took her time, went up and down, suckled my balls and teased my ass crack. She made this strange sound, like when you suck up the last bits of coke through a straw. With this kind of technique, I wasn't going to last long. So I pulled her head off junior corporate and brought her next to me on the pillow. Continued with DFK, her tongue probing my mouth and her hand stroking junior. Moved to give her luscious body a thoroughly deserving lick and massage, starting from her neck and ending at her feet. Stood up on the bed and planted junior corporate at her eye level asking her to finish me off. With Junior in her mouth and her hands grabbing my buttocks, she continued demonstrating her master BBBJ, I emptied my load inside her which is gobbled like a true champ, perfection!
Clean up and time for bed.
Woke up at 1pm, she was still dozing like a baby. Woke her up, took her digits and made a plan for movie in the evening. Just watching her dress up gave me a hard on but I had to run errands. Didn't ask for any money, so I have her 1, 500 baht. Definitely, one my top 3 pulls in every department and a keeper. To be continued.
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[QUOTE=Marcos; 1457103]Excuse me, WTF are you talking about? If by "stamping" you mean "getting a Visa", perhaps you are forgetting that it costs money, about $60, requires passport pictures, and that one goes to a local embassy or consulate, or mail-in passport (not all countries allow that) , with all the associated expense and inconvenience.
Then in any case, the line at immigration is exactly the same for both Visa and non-Visa holders. Only Thai citizens have a separate line.[/QUOTE]I think its because you can get a longer visiting period if you apply at the local Thai embassy than if U-turned up at the airport. I talked to a German guy on WS who said he obtained a 3 month visa through this method. $60may be the better deal than having to go to Cambodia on a visa run.
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From Bangkok. Don Mueang (DMK) to Pattaya
Hi,
as I want to fly in by AirAsia, I will arrive at Bangkok, Don Mueang (DMK) , about 20:00. But still to make customs.
(If necessary, I might be able to arrive about 18:00 + customs)
Any advice how to get to Pattaya by public transport?
Or, what is a reasonable taxi agency / price?
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[QUOTE=CorporateMalaya;1457981]I was sharing one of the walled seats with some end of shift gogo girls in Insomnia.[/QUOTE]Nice but she doesn't look Thai? Half Thai? Christian Thai? I had one Christian Thai once, but I can't remember anything beside that!
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DMK to Pattaya
[QUOTE=Reiner Otto; 1458041]Hi,
As I want to fly in by AirAsia, I will arrive at Bangkok, Don Mueang (DMK) , about 20:00. But still to make customs.
(If necessary, I might be able to arrive about 18:00 + customs)
Any advice how to get to Pattaya by public transport?
Or, what is a reasonable taxi agency / price?[/QUOTE]I believe it's about 1300 baht for an agency like Mr T.
Not sure what the fixed rate is for the public taxi, but I would imagine less than 2000 baht as it's 1500 from BKK and less than 500 between the two airports.
For me, after a long flight, I don't have the patience for public transportation.
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Baht bus question
When the baht bus goes down Beach Road then turns left on South Pattaya Road, it reaches the intersection with Second Road. Some turn left onto Second Road, some continue straight on South Pattaya Road, and some turn right to go towards Jomtien.
When on Beach Road, is there a way to know which of them goes which direction? It's annoying to have to get off, wait, then pay again.
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[QUOTE=RBDave;1458223]When on Beach Road, is there a way to know which of them goes which direction?[/QUOTE]Ask the driver
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Baht bus
[QUOTE=Zauberfee;1458239]Ask the driver[/QUOTE]I was hoping there was a way to know before they stopped.
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[QUOTE=RBDave;1458336]I was hoping there was a way to know before they stopped.[/QUOTE]There isn't, they basically do whatever they want. Sometime the drivers will just do a U-turn or change directions at will if they do not like the pickings on their route.
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[QUOTE=Reiner Otto; 1458041]Hi,
As I want to fly in by AirAsia, I will arrive at Bangkok, Don Mueang (DMK) , about 20:00. But still to make customs.
(If necessary, I might be able to arrive about 18:00 + customs)
Any advice how to get to Pattaya by public transport?
Or, what is a reasonable taxi agency / price?[/QUOTE]For me I will like to save my money and spend for the girls. I will opt for public transport. It's not much complicated if I use. Using Taxi from DMK to Ekkamai bus station (I think it will be more or less 300bht). And catch a bus for Pattya or Jomtien (136bht or less).
If you skip to using taxi, you may have more girls from coconut bars in beach road, isn't it? LOL
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[QUOTE=RBDave; 1458223]When the baht bus goes down Beach Road then turns left on South Pattaya Road, it reaches the intersection with Second Road. Some turn left onto Second Road, some continue straight on South Pattaya Road, and some turn right to go towards Jomtien.
When on Beach Road, is there a way to know which of them goes which direction? It's annoying to have to get off, wait, then pay again.[/QUOTE]Very easy based on what you just said.
If the baht bus is going to Jomtien he / she would be on far one or two lanes on the right since those two can make a right when the arrow indicates green. So if one wanted to go to Jomtien he would be at that corner or the corner across where the police box is located to go to Jomtien.
If you want to go straight or left down 2rd road you would be on the left, Now this is the key!
As you are standing there when you see the songthaw coming point to the direction you want to go. Down second or straight the driver will then pull over that is the one you take! If they don't stop their not going your way!
Another example: If I at the end of Soi 6, and Beach Road, and want to catch a songthaw to go from Beach road and turn left on Pattaya Klang when I see a Songthaw coming I point left and if that songthaw is going to turn he / she will stop! It has never failed me?
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Baht bus
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1458374]Very easy based on what you just said.
If the baht bus is going to Jomtien he / she would be on far one or two lanes on the right since those two can make a right when the arrow indicates green. So if one wanted to go to Jomtien he would be at that corner or the corner across where the police box is located to go to Jomtien.
If you want to go straight or left down 2rd road you would be on the left, Now this is the key!
As you are standing there when you see the songthaw coming point to the direction you want to go. Down second or straight the driver will then pull over that is the one you take! If they don't stop their not going your way!
Another example: If I at the end of Soi 6, and Beach Road, and want to catch a songthaw to go from Beach road and turn left on Pattaya Klang when I see a Songthaw coming I point left and if that songthaw is going to turn he / she will stop! It has never failed me?[/QUOTE]Okay. If I'm at soi 6 and Beach road, what signal do I use to get one going to Jomtien?
If I'm already at the intersection where they can make their decision, then I can easily get on the right one by walking down the road in the direction I want to go.
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[QUOTE=RBDave; 1458376]Okay. If I'm at soi 6 and Beach road, what signal do I use to get one going to Jomtien?
If I'm already at the intersection where they can make their decision, then I can easily get on the right one by walking down the road in the direction I want to go.[/QUOTE]There is not one going from Soi 6 to Jomtien unless you give him a flat rate like a taxi. You would have to transfer and get another. Just ask the driver, Khun pai Jomtien? Khun pai Pattaya Klang? (Are you going to Jomtien? Are you going to Pattaya Klang?)
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[QUOTE=RBDave; 1458376]Okay. If I'm at soi 6 and Beach road, what signal do I use to get one going to Jomtien?
If I'm already at the intersection where they can make their decision, then I can easily get on the right one by walking down the road in the direction I want to go.[/QUOTE]If you opt a regular bht bus service, you need to ride one running through the beach road. Some of These buses crossing the walking street and enter again in 2nd road. Just drop in intersection of 2nd road and you will find the ques of bht buses departs for Jomtien.
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Suggestions?
From all of you currently in Pattaya or seniors just need a tiny advice.
What would be the absolute right place to have a Bachelor's Party for a mate? We are about 12 of us.
Spending money wouldn't be a problem incase.
Cheers and thanks in advance.
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Rookie bargain
Finally, here I come in a couple of Days: first I will head down south to meet some people from my country, but then I will head to Pattaya.
I am thinking that it should be fairly easy to bargain during this time of year due to the low season, am I wrong if I Think that I can Catch a bargirl age 20. 25 to take back to my room and have a BBBJ and CIM for 500 B?
And do you have to make it clear from start in the bar that you want it BareBack + CIM or is it standard?
I totally agree that we should not overpay the girls because the more mongers who do so the more money they crave, and before we know it the prices may very well be the same as in Europe.
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[QUOTE=Reiner Otto; 1458041]Hi,
As I want to fly in by AirAsia, I will arrive at Bangkok, Don Mueang (DMK) , about 20:00. But still to make customs.
(If necessary, I might be able to arrive about 18:00 + customs)
Any advice how to get to Pattaya by public transport?
Or, what is a reasonable taxi agency / price?[/QUOTE]The 2 public transportation companies are Bell Transport ([url]http://www.belltravelservice.com/pages/PageHome.aspx[/url]) and a government affliated company. They are both on the ground level. Per the Bell Travel Site, the last bus is at 6 PM. The other transport company also ends early (7? Or 9?).
If you google Bangkok to Pattaya taxi agencies, the price is between 1000. 1200 baht. I use [url]http://www.pattaya-taxi.com/[/url] At 1000 baht (they pay the tolls). You need to reserve for this option.
Info from several years ago: The set price from the official taxi stand was 1500 baht. You can negotiate a taxi dropping off a fare on the top level for between 1000. 1200 baht (they pay toll).
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[QUOTE=GreenBud; 1458474]The 2 public transportation companies are Bell Transport (
[url]http://www.belltravelservice.com/pages/PageHome.aspx[/url]
) and a government affliated company. They are both on the ground level. Per the Bell Travel Site, the last bus is at 6 PM. The other transport company also ends early (7? Or 9?).
If you google Bangkok to Pattaya taxi agencies, the price is between 1000. 1200 baht. I use.
[url]http://www.pattaya-taxi.com/[/url]
At 1000 baht (they pay the tolls). You need to reserve for this option.
Info from several years ago: The set price from the official taxi stand was 1500 baht. You can negotiate a taxi dropping off a fare on the top level for between 1000. 1200 baht (they pay toll).[/QUOTE]Never Mind. Attempted to Delete.
Didn't notice that the question was for DMK.
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Pleased
10 in 6 days. Put a lot of work in and the last 5 were super sexy with good service; 27, 25, 22, 29 and 20 years of age. Everything about my time here exceeded my expectations.
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[QUOTE=BlygdTuktaren; 1458466]Finally, here I come in a couple of Days: first I will head down south to meet some people from my country, but then I will head to Pattaya.
I am thinking that it should be fairly easy to bargain during this time of year due to the low season, am I wrong if I Think that I can Catch a bargirl age 20. 25 to take back to my room and have a BBBJ and CIM for 500 B?
And do you have to make it clear from start in the bar that you want it BareBack + CIM or is it standard?
I totally agree that we should not overpay the girls because the more mongers who do so the more money they crave, and before we know it the prices may very well be the same as in Europe.[/QUOTE]I normally would not say never! But this is as close as it comes based on your criteria especially the bareback! And if you do although beauty is in the eyes of the beholder it most likely will be butt ugly? What you are offering you don't have to worry about overpaying and prices being like Europe. Good luck and you will need it?
LBM
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[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1458734]I normally would not say never! But this is as close as it comes based on your criteria especially the bareback! And if you do although beauty is in the eyes of the beholder it most likely will be butt ugly? What you are offering you don't have to worry about overpaying and prices being like Europe. Good luck and you will need it?
LBM[/QUOTE]Good Buddha! Have you ever even been to Pattaya? 500 is normal price for all the hot chick hanging out on road number 6 on the beach. LOL.
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[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1458408]There is not one going from Soi 6 to Jomtien unless you give him a flat rate like a taxi. You would have to transfer and get another. Just ask the driver, Khun pai Jomtien? Khun pai Pattaya Klang? (Are you going to Jomtien? Are you going to Pattaya Klang?)[/QUOTE]As Mr. E, noted, but in my opinion if you don't want to do this because most likely he / she will jack you up and think you want a private ride which would cost you more.
This is what I would do.
From Soi 6, get a songthaw going down to Beach Road, once he makes the turn at walking street and head to the right lane you just won the lottery he / she is most likely heading to Jomtien but as noted it is rare? When the Songthaw reaches 2nd road get off pay your 10 baht and walk across to the police booth and catch one of the other Songthaw they are heading up Jomtien,
LBM
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[QUOTE=Streetwalker7;1458749]Good Buddha! Have you ever even been to Pattaya? 500 is normal price for all the hot chick hanging out on road number 6 on the beach. LOL.[/QUOTE]I've lived here for 10 years! And for the rest of his criteria 20-25 YEARS OF AGE? CIM AND BAREBACK I AGAIN SAY.
GOOD LUCK! LOL.
LBM
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Hot chick?
[QUOTE=Streetwalker7;1458749]Good Buddha! Have you ever even been to Pattaya? 500 is normal price for all the hot chick hanging out on road number 6 on the beach. LOL.[/QUOTE]I've very rarely seen a woman I would have consider a "hot chick" on beach road in Pattaya. I have seen pictures of women I would consider hot from Beach Road, I've just never had the luck to see many of them.
Most of the women I've seen on Beach Road are older and about a 5 or 6 out of ten, or they are ladyboys.
Again, not impossible, but not probably to find a hot chick. And the hotter ones want more money because they know they can get it.
Regarding BBBJ, three trips I had a terrible string of bad luck and most of the women I brought back to my room only did CBJ. However, two trips ago, it was the exact opposite. And by the way, I paid for it with a trip to the doctor for some antibiotics afterwards. (But that still doesn't deter me from wanting BBBJ).
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[QUOTE=RBDave; 1458774]I've very rarely seen a woman I would have consider a "hot chick" on beach road in Pattaya. I have seen pictures of women I would consider hot from Beach Road, I've just never had the luck to see many of them.
Most of the women I've seen on Beach Road are older and about a 5 or 6 out of ten, or they are ladyboys.
Again, not impossible, but not probably to find a hot chick. And the hotter ones want more money because they know they can get it.
Regarding BBBJ, three trips I had a terrible string of bad luck and most of the women I brought back to my room only did CBJ. However, two trips ago, it was the exact opposite. And by the way, I paid for it with a trip to the doctor for some antibiotics afterwards. (But that still doesn't deter me from wanting BBBJ).[/QUOTE]All kidding aside. LOL. Truthfully I've never ever seen a HoT anything on the road in Pattaya on the beach. Just what I expect for 300-500 baht. LOL.
Glad I read your post. I'm just not into exchanging bodily fluids. Its fun while you do it, but after it just wears on your mind what did you catch, if anything. If they exchange bodily fluid with you you know they doing it with countless other men.
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Bachelor Party suggestions
[QUOTE=TurnipShoe; 1458436]What would be the absolute right place to have a Bachelor's Party for a mate? We are about 12 of us.
Spending money wouldn't be a problem incase.[/QUOTE]If your party budget is large enough, your group could rent out an establishment (a GoGo, Soi 6 BeerBar, whatever) for several hours for a private party. That way you have privacy, no interruptions from other customers, all the ladies to yourselves, etc.
A more affordable option:
- Right place: WS (Walking Street) GGs (GoGos). Alternative: Soi LK Metro (a mini-WS) GGs.
- 12 guys is a big group so if you want to be seated in the same area (not have guys spread about) you need to coordinate ahead of time otherwise end up with crappy seating.
If only staying at one GG:
19:40 Stop by Baccara to ask the manager or service captain to reserve 12 seats for 20:00 (opening time) and you should point out to him which seats you want. I suggest doing your party in Baccara's downstairs, not upstairs.
20:00 Your group (or as many of them as possible) be at Baccara GG as soon as it opens or their staff will mistakenly give away onesies and twosies of your seating area to other customers / regulars who want them.
- Baccara's a top-tier GG with lots of women, so should have enough hotties to suit the 12 guys, and you can always grab some girls from upstairs too.
If GG-hopping:
- Happy GG: After Baccara GG hit it's sister property Happy GG. Has fewer women then Baccara but I think a superior party atmosphere for a bachelor party. Depending on time your party gets there, may have to be seated at the secondary stage which is likely to have an area with 12 open seats.
- Babydolls GG: If your guys have a decent (alcohol) buzz on, then top off the night at Babydolls GG. Of the 3 sleazy / interactive GGs (the other 2 are X-Zone and Windmill) , Babydolls is the largest. The sleazy GGs don't have the best looking women but they are the friendliest GoGo girls and least shy, and with your beer goggles on the women will look better. Also, if you guys BF'd (barfined) any women from Baccara / Happy, you already brought your own eye candy. At Babydolls in the club your guys can get HJs / sucked off, finger / eat poontang, put bananas in orifices, see ice cubes pop out of vaginas in to your drinks / glasses, etc.
In Oct 2011 (?) when we did my birthday party, there was 8 of us. Our itinerary was:
19:00 Basilisk BB at new Simon BB complex to pre-game.
20:15 we arrived to Baccara, but because we were late my 20:00 reserved seating no longer had 8 open seats, so we had to take not as good seating in another part of the club.
- then we did Happy GG.
- then we did Airport GG, and unfortunately my buddies paid the mamasans to allow them to get me in to the tub with the showergirls but at least I was able to keep my shorts on (showergirls kept trying to get me completely naked).
- I'm not in to the sleazy GGs, but with 8 guys we could have done Windmill or Babydolls.
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[QUOTE=Amex Spg;1458798]If your party budget is large enough, your group could rent out an establishment (a GoGo, Soi 6 BeerBar, whatever) for several hours for a private party. That way you have privacy, no interruptions from other customers, all the ladies to yourselves, etc.- I'm not in to the sleazy GGs, but with 8 guys we could have done Windmill or Babydolls.[/QUOTE]Highly appreciate your suggestions sir.
I think what I'm going to do is on the first day do a round of as many GGs as possible to check out the talent and finalize upon one.
From what I've read and heard I was tilting towards the sleazy ones ("when in Rome. Do the Romans" being my policy).
A massive detailed report coming up right after.
Also guys who are there from 16th- 19th we're open to meeting up for a couple of cold ones together.
Cheers
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[QUOTE=Mua Tur; 1458366]For me I will like to save my money and spend for the girls. I will opt for public transport. It's not much complicated if I use. Using Taxi from DMK to Ekkamai bus station (I think it will be more or less 300bht). And catch a bus for Pattya or Jomtien (136bht or less).
If you skip to using taxi, you may have more girls from coconut bars in beach road, isn't it? LOL[/QUOTE]Alternatively you could be cash rich and time poor. I only once took a bus and spent the 4 hours thinking I would rather be in Pattaya having a shag. Never again.
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[quote=littlebigman; 1458761]i've lived here for 10 years! and for the rest of his criteria 20-25 years of age? cim and bareback i again say.
good luck! lol.
lbm[/quote]to be fair i think he meant bareback blowjob, but otherwise i agree with you.
not sure why anybody would want to scrape the bottom of the barrel and then haggle over it. there are plenty of cute girls out there and if you have a nice time then pay them a fair rate. simples.
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[QUOTE=Mouse1;1458978]Alternatively you could be cash rich and time poor. I only once took a bus and spent the 4 hours thinking I would rather be in Pattaya having a shag. Never again.[/QUOTE]4 hrs by by bus from BKK to pat! Are you sure about that? It's new to me.
Certainly a bad day for you and for the bus itself.
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[quote=mouse1; 1458980]to be fair i think he meant bareback blowjob, but otherwise i agree with you.
not sure why anybody would want to scrape the bottom of the barrel and then haggle over it. there are plenty of cute girls out there and if you have a nice time then pay them a fair rate. simples.[/quote]regardless, i understand his need to get his best bang for the baht, but thinking you are going to get 20-25 year old ones for 500 baht that look decent? sure you can walk up and down and sooner or later you will find one or two but you be half baked and half dead hurting? then the guy wants barebare even from a bar and of course this is another discussion but he is playing with fired?
two years back with another friend we ran into a 19 years old white skin cutie with a recent child. my buddy got her down to 700 baht and later became a regular on his trip lt, many of nights when she called and needed money and got 1, 000 baht, the more he took her the better she got in bed, on his last trip, they still keep in contact she brought him dinner at m. k. and now is working at irons on walking st. now that is a exception you will not find too often?
lbm
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Where to go first?
As a first-timer, and flying in for a weekend only, arriving late in the evening in Pattaya, please give some advice for the first place (s) (GoGo or beer bar) , where to find good talent.
Cause the good spots might change quite often, and I do not want to wander around the first evening.
I am looking at Baccara. Anything else?
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[QUOTE=Reiner Otto; 1459143]As a first-timer, and flying in for a weekend only, arriving late in the evening in Pattaya, please give some advice for the first place (s) (GoGo or beer bar) , where to find good talent.
Cause the good spots might change quite often, and I do not want to wander around the first evening.
I am looking at Baccara. Anything else?[/QUOTE]Actually good spots don't change that often. Go where there are lots of customers.
A shit bar 5 years ago is probably shit today.
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WS places to hit
TurnipShoe, Reiner Otto, any other cool BMs: I'm in town 8 Aug to 11 Sep and if you want to meet for a drink / whatever, my Thai mobile phone is 091-583-2295 or you can PM me.
I'd say the best in order are.
WS GGs:
- regular GGs (lots of nudity) : Baccara, Superbaby & Supergirl (but those 2 cater to Jap preferences) , Happy, Iron (especially if you like ladies with big, bolt-on tits) , Spankys.
- themed (unique) : Airport, Alcatraz (prison)
- sleazy: Windmill, Babydolls, X-Zone.
- coyote (minimal nudity) : Sensations, What's Up, Sapphire.
WS BB (BeerBar) complexes:
- "new Simon" BB complex (closest to WS entrance)
- "Sirens" BB complex, which is the one next to Pattaya Beer Garden (just before WS entrance)
- "old Simon" BB complex (past iBar / Insomnia)
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[QUOTE=Mua Tur; 1458994]4 hrs by by bus from BKK to pat! Are you sure about that? It's new to me.[/QUOTE]Yes, it is quite normal, not a good idea to take the bus daytime. I recall the trip taking 4hrs +. Either leave early morning or late night. Some are still in bed when the bus arrives for pickup, Bell Travel. From the centre Bangkok to the airport. 2hrs. Once the bus leaves Suvarnbhumi airport. 2hrs to Pattaya. Waste of the entire day, I learnt this too.
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Street Walkers: Best picking up streets?
Hi,
The next month I will reach Pattaya and I have just booked a hotel on Soi 13.
On the forum you often speak about bars. Yes I will visit some bars even if I don't like to drink but I'd like to get my hunting on the street.
What are the best streets with the best picking up in Pattaya? I'd like some street not very far from Soi 13.
Some info please!
Thanks
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Has What's Up changed?
Has What's Up changed? I knew they changed their name slightly, but the last time I was there, about a year ago, it was about the same as it has been. A little pricey, but lots of nudity, great shower shows and friendly girls.
[QUOTE=Amex Spg; 1459161]TurnipShoe, Reiner Otto, any other cool BMs: I'm in town 8 Aug to 11 Sep and if you want to meet for a drink / whatever, my Thai mobile phone is 091-583-2295 or you can PM me.
I'd say the best in order are.
WS GGs:
- regular GGs (lots of nudity) : Baccara, Superbaby & Supergirl (but those 2 cater to Jap preferences) , Happy, Iron (especially if you like ladies with big, bolt-on tits) , Spankys.
- themed (unique) : Airport, Alcatraz (prison)
- sleazy: Windmill, Babydolls, X-Zone.
- coyote (minimal nudity) : Sensations, What's Up, Sapphire.
WS BB (BeerBar) complexes:
- "new Simon" BB complex (closest to WS entrance)
- "Sirens" BB complex, which is the one next to Pattaya Beer Garden (just before WS entrance)
- "old Simon" BB complex (past iBar / Insomnia) [/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Mua Tur; 1458994]4 hrs by by bus from BKK to pat! Are you sure about that? It's new to me.
Certainly a bad day for you and for the bus itself.[/QUOTE]Not really. That was the total door-to-door elapsed time:
Taxi from hotel to bus station in BKK.
Buy ticket and wait for bus.
Bus journey to Pattaya at about 80 kph, with several stops, including one long comfort stop.
Arrive at bus station in Pattaya.
Hire baht bus to take me to hotel.
Hotel was off WS, so baht bus couldn't get too close. Walk remaining distance to hotel dragging suitcase.
Nowadays:
Taxi from hotel to hotel.
Er, that's it.
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[QUOTE=Reiner Otto; 1459143]As a first-timer, and flying in for a weekend only, arriving late in the evening in Pattaya, please give some advice for the first place (s) (GoGo or beer bar) , where to find good talent.
Cause the good spots might change quite often, and I do not want to wander around the first evening.
I am looking at Baccara. Anything else?[/QUOTE]Baccara is a good choice. Alcatraz did have some really good looking girls but to be fair that was a few months ago so it may have changed. There is a new place in Soi LK Metro called Chrystal club, although I have not actually been in there people I know in Pattaya tell me there some hot girls and I have seen some pictures on Facebook, very tasty.
Regards,
BJ
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The bus is consistently two hours nowadays, hardly ever more. I take it all the time. The new expressway plus typically no stops at all mean a very quick trip. Taking a taxi isn't really much quicker, and the taxis in Thailand ride like coal-carts (actually all modern cars do) , so the bus is more comfortable as well as cheaper.
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[QUOTE=Mouse1; 1459260]Not really. That was the total door-to-door elapsed time:
Taxi from hotel to bus station in BKK.
Buy ticket and wait for bus.
Bus journey to Pattaya at about 80 kph, with several stops, including one long comfort stop.
Arrive at bus station in Pattaya.
Hire baht bus to take me to hotel.
Hotel was off WS, so baht bus couldn't get too close. Walk remaining distance to hotel dragging suitcase.
Nowadays:
Taxi from hotel to hotel.
Er, that's it.[/QUOTE]Why don't you include your first short time to make it 5 hours then?
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[QUOTE=Mouse1; 1459260]Not really. That was the total door-to-door elapsed time:
Taxi from hotel to bus station in BKK.
Buy ticket and wait for bus.
Bus journey to Pattaya at about 80 kph, with several stops, including one long comfort stop.
Arrive at bus station in Pattaya.
Hire baht bus to take me to hotel.
Hotel was off WS, so baht bus couldn't get too close. Walk remaining distance to hotel dragging suitcase.
Nowadays:
Taxi from hotel to hotel.
Er, that's it.[/QUOTE]Well, if you calculate the time for arriving Ekkamai, and all the sorts of time consuming activities until arriving in your room at Patt, than it might be in requires for 4 hrs or more.
For many reason I have arrived in Pat in morning and return back to BKK in end of the day several times. I have been used buses, taxis or own driven car. But I never been experienced the buses get several stops on the way. Just dropping the passengers on their destination with in the city. Even considering these the buses takes time just over 2+ hrs (from BKK to pat). It will not surprising to say that, taxis usually consumed more time than buses, surely more of pretty 20mins. And self driven cars are awful to me only for the over carefulness to be keep safe in long drive. Always I feel safe to travel by bus for longer distance other than using of taxi or self driven car.
Just my POV
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M1,
The bus you took which I did once by mistake most likely was the local one that stops often and goes through route 34 the old Chon Buri route. The Bell bus from the airport is no more than 2 hours tops to the station at Pattaya Nua, the bus I take from inside BKK Ekamai is around 2. 5 if it has to makes stops going through Chon Buri, Lam Chambang, Siricha and up Sukhumvit.
LBM
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[QUOTE=FoxesHunter; 1459232]Hi, the next month I will reach Pattaya and I have just booked a hotel on Soi 13.
On the forum you often speak about bars. Yes I will visit some bars even if I don't like to drink but I'd like to get my hunting on the street.
What are the best streets with the best picking up in Pattaya? I'd like some street not very far from Soi 13.
Some info please! Thanks[/QUOTE]If you are in Soi 13, the beach road is just in your door step. And that's the place for whole day hunting. In evening make sure you are in walking street. You are not going to miss anything.
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Any update on beach road works
Hi guys,
Do any of you who are out there what is the situation on the road construction is it near to completion and is it effecting the number of freelancers present on beach road.
Thanks
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[QUOTE=Tiger 888;1459276]Why don't you include your first short time to make it 5 hours then?[/QUOTE]And the point you are trying to make is what exactly?
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[QUOTE=Mua Tur; 1459307]Well, if you calculate the time for arriving Ekkamai, and all the sorts of time consuming activities until arriving in your room at Patt, than it might be in requires for 4 hrs or more.
For many reason I have arrived in Pat in morning and return back to BKK in end of the day several times. I have been used buses, taxis or own driven car. But I never been experienced the buses get several stops on the way. Just dropping the passengers on their destination with in the city. Even considering these the buses takes time just over 2+ hrs (from BKK to pat). It will not surprising to say that, taxis usually consumed more time than buses, surely more of pretty 20mins. And self driven cars are awful to me only for the over carefulness to be keep safe in long drive. Always I feel safe to travel by bus for longer distance other than using of taxi or self driven car.
Just my POV[/QUOTE]Time consuming activities... Like getting from the bus station to your hotel? Right...
Look guys, I really don't care how you travel. I'm just making the point that the hotel door-to-hotel door times, bus vs taxi, are significantly different. The bus is a lot cheaper, and if you're living in LOS or on a long vacation, that is fine. If you are just there for a short break then just grab a cab, especially if you have a suitcase.
As an example, last trip I paid 860 baht for a taxi from Pattaya to the airport, leaving my hotel at 21:30 to catch an 00:20 flight. What time would you leave your hotel to catch a bus to the airport for that flight?
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[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1459324]M1,
The bus you took which I did once by mistake most likely was the local one that stops often and goes through route 34 the old Chon Buri route. The Bell bus from the airport is no more than 2 hours tops to the station at Pattaya Nua, the bus I take from inside BKK Ekamai is around 2. 5 if it has to makes stops going through Chon Buri, Lam Chambang, Siricha and up Sukhumvit.
LBM[/QUOTE]Quite possibly so, LBM. It was about 5 years ago, and I haven't done it since. I often spend Ł20 for a taxi to get half way across London, so I think 1000 baht for 90 minutes is good value.
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Bell bus
[QUOTE=Mouse1;1459384]Quite possibly so, LBM. It was about 5 years ago, and I haven't done it since. I often spend Ł20 for a taxi to get half way across London, so I think 1000 baht for 90 minutes is good value.[/QUOTE]Normally get a taxi but last time got Bell bus. Flight times suited. Bit slower than a taxi but pretty ok.
Bus dropped off at bus Station in Pattaya and then changed to mini bus with hotel drop off.
On the way back picked up at hotel by minibus. Moved to a coach in the bus station. Airport drop off.
Think 230 thb each way. If timing suits its pretty good.
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[QUOTE=Mouse1; 1459260]Not really. That was the total door-to-door elapsed time:
Taxi from hotel to bus station in BKK.
Buy ticket and wait for bus.
Bus journey to Pattaya at about 80 kph, with several stops, including one long comfort stop.
Arrive at bus station in Pattaya.
Hire baht bus to take me to hotel.
Hotel was off WS, so baht bus couldn't get too close. Walk remaining distance to hotel dragging suitcase.
Nowadays:
Taxi from hotel to hotel.
Er, that's it.[/QUOTE]That's my experience as well. Sure, if you only measure the time between getting on the bus and getting off the bus, it's much less. But that's not what counts, it's door-to-door time that's important. And for me, it's a pain in the ass to move my luggage at each stage.
One thing that's not always taken into consideration for the taxi drivers is the annoying stop to get fuel. With all the LPG and CNG vehicles, they claim they have to stop outside of Pattaya. This adds 15 to 20 minutes to the trip.
During my last trip from Pattaya to DMK, the driver went waaaay out of the way to get fuel near BKK. It is annoying as well, but I'd still rather that that take the bus.
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[QUOTE=Mouse1;1459384]Quite possibly so, LBM. It was about 5 years ago, and I haven't done it since. I often spend Ł20 for a taxi to get half way across London, so I think 1000 baht for 90 minutes is good value.[/QUOTE]Personally, I don't count bahts any longer when I get back to Thailand. I set aside the money to make sure once I get my bags which is 2 large full of stuff for the year I can't be bother with taking the bus. If I do which I have done before I have to pay another 200 baht to get me from the station to my place. Now I just go down to the taxi stand pay the 1500 and I'm off and in Pattaya in 1 1/2 tops. Like they say it is a individual choice and time is money and when I'm back got to spend some money that night to unwind and relax after I take my long nap?
When I go to the states that is when I take the Bell bus, coming back my arrival by the time I get out of immigration I always miss the bus a noon, not about to wait another 2 hours.
LBM
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[QUOTE=RBDave; 1459423]One thing that's not always taken into consideration for the taxi drivers is the annoying stop to get fuel. With all the LPG and CNG vehicles, they claim they have to stop outside of Pattaya. This adds 15 to 20 minutes to the trip.
During my last trip from Pattaya to DMK, the driver went waaaay out of the way to get fuel near BKK. It is annoying as well, but I'd still rather that that take the bus.[/QUOTE]True. And the other annoying thing is when you hire a taxi at the airport, and after 5 minutes he explains that actually his friend will take you the rest of the way. Not usually a problem, but last trip we had to swap cars standing in the middle of the expressway, on the painted 'island' where the road splits in two. Scary.
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[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1459462]Now I just go down to the taxi stand pay the 1500 and I'm off and in Pattaya in 1 1/2 tops.[/QUOTE]LBM I thought you were a veteran. Why don't you go upstairs to get one for 900 + the 60 for tolls?[QUOTE=Mouse1;1459521]True. And the other annoying thing is when you hire a taxi at the airport, and after 5 minutes he explains that actually his friend will take you the rest of the way. [/QUOTE]It does indeed suck when they do that. They usually go to that parking lot/office to swap off. It only takes all of 5 minutes though. Last week we got into a nice comfortable mini SUV at the airport with the air conditioner feeling good. Then went to swap off into a freaking Camry.
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Just arrived Pattaya
Arrived Pattaya last night. Exhausted. Set up my taxi online for 1000 baht. Once in the airport got taxi-jacked. Not a terrible experience but the driver had no clue where to go, and cost was 1400 baht. It was 4:30 am Japan time (2:30 Pattaya time) when arrived, and after the six hour flight really out of it. Little leg room, and Delta now charges extra for an exit row seat. Progress, go figure. This time staying right in South Pattaya. On the way to Walking Street met this one gal."Hi. I love you." "You want short time?"."You want 2000 baht? Hahahahhahahaahahahahaha." Walking Street was LOADED with gals. Why the heck would any, any sane person would pay bar fines, when there are just so so many gals avail. Usually I never pay over 800, 900 for a beauty, but was just so tired and didn't care. All caution to the wind and decided to go 1000.
Next gals wanted 1500."I love you 1000 baht." If they thought about it, just walked away. Should be a no brainer. Within 15/20 minutes found gal who offered 1000. Easy. Name: "One" and she's been in Pattaya for a year. From Issan. Lives in Jontiem. 30 years and had a kid. Had a Vit C hard on and it would not go away. Did her countless positions, and she was up to everything. Her ass was just so sexy, and nice small fit stomach. She offered me her ass for an extra 500 be. Pass. We were probably at it for 45 minutes. I had "sexy movies" prepared on my PC if needed, and she was up for them, but never got around to it. Damn she was strong. And I am proud to say that Little Popper was absolutely a monster in the sack. Completely nice, unhurried, sensual banging.
She offered LT at 2000 but I not only felt it bit high, but her attitude, though outstanding slightly materialistic. Damn could she phuk. Puzzy tasted wonderful too. She was a gal who I had a good feeling about, and would contact again. She gave me her number, and off she went. Was going to take her picture, but since I just arrived did not even know if my cell even had a charge. It did, worked fine and even told me I had 224 baht on it. However, I could not send a text message cause it wanted more money since "expired".
Sigh. Go figure.
--Popper
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Had this happen one time and never again. Now I stick strictly with Mr. T. Never has let me down yet. 1000 bt to / from BKK or 1200 bt to / from DMK.
[QUOTE=Mouse1;1459521]True. And the other annoying thing is when you hire a taxi at the airport, and after 5 minutes he explains that actually his friend will take you the rest of the way. Not usually a problem, but last trip we had to swap cars standing in the middle of the expressway, on the painted 'island' where the road splits in two. Scary.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=BobkBanner;1459402]Normally get a taxi but last time got Bell bus. Flight times suited. Bit slower than a taxi but pretty ok.[/QUOTE]I agree I have done the transfers all ways and Bell is my first choice for the price / convenience mix. They are a very professional outfit. More than one person and start to consider a private taxi.
SunLover
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Taxi swap
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1459525]LBM I thought you were a veteran. Why don't you go upstairs to get one for 900 + the 60 for tolls?It does indeed suck when they do that. They usually go to that parking lot/office to swap off. It only takes all of 5 minutes though. Last week we got into a nice comfortable mini SUV at the airport with the air conditioner feeling good. Then went to swap off into a freaking Camry.[/QUOTE]Happened to me once. They wanted to move me into a minivan.
I refused. The van was ok but I didn't want to be on a trip with endless pickups and dropoffs.
I pointed at the taxi I came in. The then offered me a volvo which I took as it was midnite already.
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Mr. E,
I take it there are no veterans, everyone pays their dues regardless of how much some brag it is a continuous process?
I use to and still from time to time I do when I don't have lots of stuff with me. I use to haul all my stuff upstairs wait at the end and usually two things happens. The taxi guy see a guy with 2 large bags and look at me like a big lolipop? And starts to tell me this and that? Then when I do get one and I'm loading a cop comes up and ask me what I'm doing? Meantime I thinking who needs all this B. S. I just want to get back to Pat and drop my pants.
So now I just budget a few hundred baht more pay the 1500 which I consider includes the toll and tip. 1500 flat. When I don't have lots of stuff I don't mine upstairs.
LBM
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Go Go Review
it was one of these evenings when they roast the pork near the stairs and serve sausages in heaven above. shared a drink with one of the owners, lets call him mr. tennis and was introduced to mr. sobbin, owner of a go-go just across. had never noticed it, with mr. sobbin acknowledging its small size and limited business. gave it a peep a bit past 1am, its called the gentlemen's club. it had this dark, red ambiance, with these scarface pacino sofa's, beers are sincerely priced and they serve peanuts (love it with my whiskey). they have a place upstairs for private stuff, will check next time and update.
came across this creamy girl on the pole, a bit on the old side but delicious. continued watching her and the shift ended, the girls do a quick round giving the usual hellos to the customers who have no company. a young girl came and sat with me. she has limited english and a cherubic face. i was getting bored holding on to the whiskey glass and her fine legs looked like a good alternative, so ordered her a drink and asked for a translator. she was barely 22 from buriram, dusky and very new to the scene. without getting into the usual details of what she do, what she like etc, decided to bar-fine her.
she turned out to be a sweet delight, expressive and innocent to every touch, kiss. lots of foreplay, dfk. turned her over and gave her one of my tongue massages. two positions and i was done. requested her is she could stay a bit longer, for another round and encountered same language issues which were solved by displaying some currency notes, her face lit up and she picks a 500 baht note. so opened up a few beers, she drank only coke (still not spoilt) and we were ready for round 2, heaven!
damage: 1, 500 + 500 + 500 bar fine
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Any Update
Hi guys,
Can any of you who are out there provide an update on the situation on the beach road construction is it near to completion and is it effecting the number of freelancers present on beach road.
Thanks
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[QUOTE=Xplorer007; 1460912]Hi guys,
Can any of you who are out there provide an update on the situation on the beach road construction is it near to completion and is it effecting the number of freelancers present on beach road.
Thanks[/QUOTE]Since this question has arisen several times of recent and there are no gentlemen providing any update, I presume the works on our beloved Beach Road should be complete by October, or if you like, certainly by the arrival of high season; of this I am confident. Been home for a month now and the works were nearing three quarters done end July, when I sadly left for home.
Of our freelancer darlings, enough should be about. I would doubt the works would effect the nightly turnouts, they have to earn a living. No work, no rent.
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I figure the construction on Beach Road is less than 1 month from completion. It's funny though because what I noticed about the new lane at the north end around Soi 6 is that it was being used more for parking than anything elae. Not to worry, there are tons of freelancers around. Most are across the street from the construction. Those whose area has traditionally been where the completed parts are, have already settled into their new homes.
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Pattaya Holiday
Finally arrived in Pattaya and had booked airport transfer from BKK to Pats. Had arranged the booking through [url]/www.pattayataxi.info[/url] And it was a hassle free experience and charged 1000 bt. The car was clean and I enjoyed the ride which took a little more then an hour. Was tired and did not have the courage to go bar hopping and decided to call a mamasan I was in touch with. She is a MILF from Issan region, surely past her prime but still has that charm in her. Must have been an A lister 10 years back. Had to go to her bar located on Soi 6 and bar fine her for 500 bt. Back to the hotel and she gets down to business. DFK, BBBJ are good and clearly I was in experienced hands. She became very friendly and was willing to stay overnight. After 2 pops I wanted some undisturbed sleep and sent her away, promising to see her again. She had not quoted any price but I gave her 2000 bt, considering that she was very friendly and was in touch with me for over a month. Maybe I paid slightly more than the benchmark for ST for a bar girl, but I think it was worth it.
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[QUOTE=Member #2635; 1461084]Finally arrived in Pattaya and had booked airport transfer from BKK to Pats. Had arranged the booking through.
[url]/www.pattayataxi.info[/url]
And it was a hassle free experience and charged 1000 bt. The car was clean and I enjoyed the ride which took a little more then an hour. Was tired and did not have the courage to go bar hopping and decided to call a mamasan I was in touch with. She is a MILF from Issan region, surely past her prime but still has that charm in her. Must have been an A lister 10 years back. Had to go to her bar located on Soi 6 and bar fine her for 500 bt. Back to the hotel and she gets down to business. DFK, BBBJ are good and clearly I was in experienced hands. She became very friendly and was willing to stay overnight. After 2 pops I wanted some undisturbed sleep and sent her away, promising to see her again. She had not quoted any price but I gave her 2000 bt, considering that she was very friendly and was in touch with me for over a month. Maybe I paid slightly more than the benchmark for ST for a bar girl, but I think it was worth it.[/QUOTE]Not slightly. More like double.
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[QUOTE=RBDave; 1458774]I've very rarely seen a woman I would have consider a "hot chick" on beach road in Pattaya. I have seen pictures of women I would consider hot from Beach Road, I've just never had the luck to see many of them.
Most of the women I've seen on Beach Road are older and about a 5 or 6 out of ten, or they are ladyboys.
Again, not impossible, but not probably to find a hot chick. And the hotter ones want more money because they know they can get it.
Regarding BBBJ, three trips I had a terrible string of bad luck and most of the women I brought back to my room only did CBJ. However, two trips ago, it was the exact opposite. And by the way, I paid for it with a trip to the doctor for some antibiotics afterwards. (But that still doesn't deter me from wanting BBBJ).[/QUOTE]I've scored some absolute gems from Beach Road. My last trip had me with a 19 year old, no baby, super firm body. Only comes in on the weekends. Studies an hour away during the week. Repeated with her over a 3 week period every Sat and Sun. 500 baht a go, negotiated from her original outrageous quote of 1000.
Never had a girl ask for CBJ. If I did that would be a sure deal breaker. Bad enough prices are going up dramatically, does service have to take a hit too?
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[QUOTE=Xplorer007;1459364]Do any of you who are out there what is the situation on the road construction is it near to completion and is it effecting the number of freelancers present on beach road.[/QUOTE]No idea when it will finish, the girls say three months more, and they're moaning about it quite a lot. Huge interference with their business, though because of this they say the police arrest / drug test / shakedown problem has lessened recently. I was there a week or two ago, and the selection was pretty poor for a low-season: it seems like a lot of girls aren't bothering to come to the beach or even across the road because there just aren't many punters walking by.
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Pattaya Report
every time i head to pattaya, i learn something new. this time is no different. as stated last posting, the cell from my sim card had credit on it. however, it was not working. strange. apparently, tho the sim had just over 200 baht credit on it, the sim card itself had expired. so paid another 200 baht which gave me another month on the card. whole thing strange. need check into how to prevent the sim from expiring, if it's even possible?
just got the iphone 4 off ebay from hk. it's sim-free model, and wanted to try it here to determine cost. got the sim at tukcom at something like 250 baht. however there is only one place in all of tukcom to go to connect the iphone 4 to the internet. there was a huge line there, so passed. made my way to big c and top floor asked about getting the iphone on the net. apparently you can do it for, as i recall i paid 300 or 400 baht for 350gb of data which expires in a month. they also have unlimited internet for 999 baht. sure enough, paid, and total cost to make my sim-free iphone alive for a month is about 700 baht, and not more than 400 baht thereafter. far cheaper and more efficient than at&t, and no contract! for a while however the internet completely went. played and discovered "reset network" option, restarted the iphone and it now works fine. internet at a good speed too.
wanted to get my testosterone levels checked. to do it cheaply, and after speaking to a few of my trusted sources, decided not to do it at a clinic or hospital but went straight to the lab. while there i can get anything else i want tested for a fraction of anywhere. cost to test test levels is 500 baht. may do more tests just to examine what's under the hood.
beach road has construction which gets heavy from mikes to all the way down south. it makes walking not as much fun, and they're fewer gals. they're still around, but just need to hunt a bit. never liked the other side of the street since that's where all the tourists and tailor pimps are. funniest thing i saw was at that intersection - how to describe, where 2nd road meets beach road all the way south (a block from walking street, on the way to jontiem). there were cops stopping motorcycle drivers not wearing helmets and fining them. while they were stopping many people, including an inordinate amount of farangs, there was a thai dad in his 40s riding a motor bike, naturally with no helmet and two kids in the front of the bike about eight years old who also wore no helmets, and all three of them waved at the cops who were all giving tickets and the cops smiled at them and waved back. go figure.
if you decide to watch a movie at the theater where california fitness used to be located, you will have to sit through 25 minutes of commercials, including candy bars, sodas, cars, banks, and other crap.
had thus far four gals. here are picts of the first, sa, the third, nut or nan or somesuch, and kau. sa had horrible breath, a real turnoff for me. nut was absolutely outstanding. kau was 19 (checked her i. d.) and an absolute novice in the sack. kau just left my hotel about an hour ago. all were found around town and paid 1000 each for st. thinking this is the most i've paid here, back 2007 paid half that amount. inflation i guess.
--popper
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[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1461004]I figure the construction on Beach Road is less than 1 month from completion. It's funny though because what I noticed about the new lane at the north end around Soi 6 is that it was being used more for parking than anything elae. Not to worry, there are tons of freelancers around. Most are across the street from the construction. Those whose area has traditionally been where the completed parts are, have already settled into their new homes.[/QUOTE]Mr. E,
Guess you haven't heard the latest? As you know a little over a year ago they spent a ton of money along with all the nature lovers complaining about them cutting or trimming the trees along Beach Road. By doing this the path would now be too hot and the FL, wouldn't have anywhere to sit in the shade? While they were doing this there was supposed to be a study to look into the 3rd lane which they are working hard now to complete which all this stuff is costing millions of baht? Then let's not forget 2 years ago they spent another 123 million baht to put up all the pedestrian crossing lights throughout the tourist area that no one dare to use. They also did a study for this too!
Now I hear while they are near finished they forgot to put back in the trees / light so they got to go back and start all over again? LOL.
Oh and the study for the Skytrain is now completed and although everyone is against they plan to go ahead anyway since so many officials have already counted on lining their pockets from this project they got to go ahead with it. Lets not forget high season is coming and those tents to sell clothes and concerts yearly planned are coming too.
It is a never ending story on Beach Road?
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In addition I noticed that the dolphin fountain was gone (not that it was working or anything.) We need to find a way in on the action.
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[quote=mr enternational;1461454]in addition i noticed that the dolphin fountain was gone (not that it was working or anything.) we need to find a way in on the action.[/quote]the thing was in the way i believe for widening of the road? good that it is gone before that the pigeons loved it and so did everyone else that [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] into it at night. you walk by and it smell to high heaven on hot hot days but got rinse off during songkran and the rainy season. since you and i aren't thai we can't run for office, the other way of getting into the action the price is just too high to pay?
lbm
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[QUOTE=Popper1;1461344]All were found around town and paid 1000 each for ST. Thinking this is the most I've paid here, back 2007 paid half that amount. Inflation I guess.[/QUOTE]Maybe partly inflation, but not that much. I've been back to Pattaya 5 times in 2012 and 2013, never paid more than 700 for a beach road pick up. I don't know what "around town" means. If they are beer bar girls still a little high for my taste. If they are go go girls a bit low.
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Back in Patts. Day 1
i arrived at bkk at around 9 am and went thru immigration in less than 5 minutes, even before the bags started coming out on the baggage carousel, after getting my bag and going thru customs, i proceeded to meet my mr. t taxi by the meeting point by door number 3. he wasn't there so i called and he magically appeared about 5 minutes later. i think he was sleeping in his car but he gave some story about changing cars, blah blah. he was late, didn't help me with my bag, and then had to stop for gas along the way so no tip. total paid was 1000 baht for door to door service. the car was clean and safe driving at speeds up to 130 140 kph arriving in about 1 1/2 hours. mr. t taxi is recommended!
i'm staying at the pattaya noble place on soi post office aka 13/2 aka pizza hut street for 500 baht per night with a / see, tv, private bath with shower, wi-fi, and balcony overlooking soi post office 13/2 and two massage shops. highly recommended because i don't need any front staff to hold my guest's i'd card. the front desk is only open from 9 am to 6 pm, after that you just use your security card to enter the building & your room. of course should you choose to bring two girls or any thing else up, there is no restriction. there is also an in-room safe & refrigerator.
[url]http://www.pattayanobleplace.com/[/url]
for years, i have been going to the massage girls with the orange shirts just across the hotelat sa thai massage. some girls are new and many have been there for years. i picked my second choice, gai, that gave a great thai massage and showed me her big boobs and asked if i wanted more. i told her i don't finish with only bj / hj so we just did tit play. damage was 200 baht for the house & 200 tip for her, perhaps overly generous but massage was great and so was tit / penis play. she asked 300 so if she did some bj then i woulda tipped 300 but since did not do any, she got 200 tip & 200 to the house which she get 80 of the 200.
by now my hotel was ready so i went back across the street to take a shower then i was back at the massage shop. one of the old regulars asked for a beer so i about beer for april & gai, only 43 baht each and lunch for me. while i ate my lunch, we talked about things any introduced me to the new girl, tok. she was kinda pretty, very petite, age 31, and weighs about 42 kg. she had very nice small muscles and had returned from 3 years in south africa so she spoke english fairly well. i took her for a 1 hour thai massage. it was soooo good. she was very strong. no extra service but i will repeat as the massage was so good. i tipped 100 & 200 to the house which she get 80 of the 200.
what a great relaxing day fist half day! back to the hotel for a rest before meeting another isg member for bar hopping later.
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[quote=sushilover808; 1461551]i arrived at bkk at around 9 am and went thru immigration in less than 5 minutes, even before the bags started coming out on the baggage carousel, after getting my bag and going thru customs, i proceeded to meet my mr. t taxi by the meeting point by door number 3. he wasn't there so i called and he magically appeared about 5 minutes later. i think he was sleeping in his car but he gave some story about changing cars, blah blah. he was late, didn't help me with my bag, and then had to stop for gas along the way so no tip. total paid was 1000 baht for door to door service. the car was clean and safe driving at speeds up to 130 140 kph arriving in about 1 1/2 hours. mr. t taxi is recommended!
i'm staying at the pattaya noble place on soi post office aka 13/2 aka pizza hut street for 500 baht per night with a / see, tv, private bath with shower, wi-fi, and balcony overlooking soi post office 13/2 and two massage shops. highly recommended because i don't need any front staff to hold my guest's i'd card. the front desk is only open from 9 am to 6 pm, after that you just use your security card to enter the building & your room. of course should you choose to bring two girls or any thing else up, there is no restriction. there is also an in-room safe & refrigerator...[/quote]i always wondered about the 500 baht / night places but never felt like risking a night of getting eaten by mosquitoes. i'm assume that was not a problem and there was no a. c. but comfortable with a breeze? familiar with that massage shop and friendly with many girls on that soi. as cheap as i am i never gave only a 300 baht tip for a blowjob. have any other guys?
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Back in Patts. Night 1
i met up with a fellow isg member at the carousel bar on soi diamond at 730 pm. he is extremely knowledgeable about the scene in pattaya and took me to soi 6 to check out the scene & meet some of his favorite 3 hole providers. he usually drinks a water while i have a red bull on the rocks. the drinks are around 50 or 60 baht and we tipped many girls 20 to 40 baht for chatting with us, hanging out, or sometimes a little more or less. great karma for next time. meeting the girls in person was like meeting stars from tv because they are so prominently mentioned in his reports. i usually do not carry more than 1000 baht when walking because i usually take the girl back and get money from my safe. soi 6 is known for having clean, on site rooms so next time i will bring more money. i definitely want to go back to soi 6 so contact me by pm if you want a wingman to show you soi 6. pay it forward!
on the walk back from soi 6 around 10 pm, there were dozens of freelancers along beach road from around the hilton to mike shopping center. i found a petite girl that said she could do ass fuck for 800 baht. she was drinking a beer on the beach. small red flag #1. as we walked back she had to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] (maybe more) so she stopped on the beach and went behind some stacked chairs. small red flag #2. as we were almost back to my hotel, i asked if she wanted a drink from 7-11, she picked 2 bottles of heinekin and i bought a red bull. red flag #3. once back at my hotel, she stripped down to her panties and asked for the money first. big red flag #4. then she said the price was 1500 not 800 for ass fuck. final red flag! i told her no, and tossed her shoes in hall and asked her to leave with the one heinekin in hand. i closed the door behind me and took off. possibly a problem was averted. learn from my mistakes and watch for these red flags and you will save time and money. damage 44 baht for 1 heinekin. cheap for the lesson learned. watch out for red flags.
in less than a 1/2 hour, i found another girl, noi, who said she would do st covered bj and ass / pussy fuck for 700. it was about 11 pm and i should have probably talked her down but i was tired. offered a drink from 7-11 but she declined. back to the room. everything was good not great, she took it like a champ for about a 1/2 hour. beautiful pussy and very clean ass. she was getting dressed as i took my clean up shower so only 1 picture in street clothes. i originally tipped 40 for taxi then just gave 100 tip so total 800. i must change my thinking to tip less but give me a couple days. i went to sleep around midnight.
i woke up horny around 3 am. i'm in fucking pattaya! so i went for a short walk and found many small groups of girls. not the dozens like around 8 or 11 pm but a decent selection. across the mike shopping mall, i found bee and told her i look for someone that can fuck ass. she was a very fun person asking if i want ladyboy with dick, ladyboy with pussy or lady (her). i told her i wanted lady that can fuck ass. she said she can do for 700 baht st. offered a drink for 7-11 but she declined. back to the room. everything was great, long bbbj then she took it like she enjoyed it for about a 1/2 hour. beautiful pussy and very clean ass. i said her pussy was so wet and she said she came so i went straight to ass with no lube needed. great pussy / ass action. while we were showering, i asked her how much she said, was it 700 or 800. she said 700 but i tipped 100 to total 800 with pictures.
i have their phone numbers so feel free to pm me if you want to contact them. great first night back in pattaya!
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Reliable Taxi Service
[QUOTE=Member #2635]Booked airport transfer from BKK to Pats through.
[url]www.pattayataxi.info[/url]
It was a hassle-free experience and charged 1000 baht. The car was clean and I enjoyed the ride which took a little more then an hour.[/QUOTE]Plus one on Khun Keak. I've used his service several times and found it very reliable, even when I needed a taxi in the middle of the night. He has a stable of drivers, so the type of car you get will vary. At the low end, I've ridden in whatever they call the small two-door Toyota in Thailand, which is a little tight but just fine for one person. At the high end I once had a minivan all to myself. Usually it's a Camry-class car.
The drivers are always nice people. If you know your cell phone number when you e-mail Khun Keak to arrange the ride be sure to give it to him. Some of the drivers will call you on their way to the airport and arrange to pick you up curbside, which saves a few minutes and obviates the need to haul your luggage out to the parking lot. I always ask for a stop at the giant travel plaza that's about halfway to Pattaya (two 7-11s!) for something cold to drink, where I also buy a treat for the driver.
Bunky
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I'm staying at the Pattaya Noble place On Soi Post Office aka 13/2 aka Pizza Hut Street for 500 baht per night with a / see, tv, private bath with shower.
Hi, did you book in advance? The website shows a different price. Do they clean rooms daily?
Thanks
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[QUOTE=NeverJerkOff;1461557]I always wondered about the 500 baht / night places but never felt like risking a night of getting eaten by mosquitoes. I'm assume that was not a problem and there was no A. C. But comfortable with a breeze? Familiar with that massage shop and friendly with many girls on that soi. As cheap as I am I never gave only a 300 baht tip for a blowjob. Have any other guys?[/QUOTE]Absolutely. I've given 200 before. Negotiate with the girl during the massage. I've never given more than 300 for BBBJ.
Then again,"as cheap as I am," I've never stayed in a 500 baht room. I prefer to have a lift, air cond, etc. I think a room has more value than a few minutes of mouth.
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Pattaya Noble Place on Soi Post Office 13/2
[QUOTE=NeverJerkOff;1461557]I always wondered about the 500 baht / night places but never felt like risking a night of getting eaten by mosquitoes. I'm assume that was not a problem and there was no A. C. But comfortable with a breeze? Familiar with that massage shop and friendly with many girls on that soi. As cheap as I am I never gave only a 300 baht tip for a blowjob. Have any other guys?[/QUOTE]NJO,
I'm currently staying at the Pattaya Noble place on Soi Post Office aka 13/2 for 500 baht per night with air conditioning that is visible in the first picture on the room below, flatscreen tv, private bath with shower, wi-fi, and balcony overlooking soi post office 13/2 and two massage shops. I like being in a good location with a great price!
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500 bht / night
[QUOTE=Xplorer007; 1461841]I'm staying at the Pattaya Noble place On Soi Post Office aka 13/2 aka Pizza Hut Street for 500 baht per night with a / see, tv, private bath with shower.
Hi, did you book in advance? The website shows a different price. Do they clean rooms daily?
Thanks[/QUOTE]Actually, I did book in advance but did NOT pay in advance as they requested because I was not sure how long I wanted to stay at this place. Fortunately when I arrived, there was a sign outside saying rooms available 500, 600, 700 baht per night. The building is a walkup, meaning no elevator. First floor up the stairs is 700 baht per night, second floor up the stairs is 600 baht per night, there is no third floor (like no 13th floor in USA) , fourth floor, is 500 baht per night. I recommend that you make a reservation with your request for cheaper price or slighly higher price but on a lower floor.
Towels are changed every other day, liquid soap & shampoo are provided from a dispenser in the bathroom, floor is swept & trash emptied daily. I tip the cleaning boy 20 baht for cleaning the room and refilling the soap that I use to wash my clothes. It is warm & humid every day since my arrival 2 days ago with light rain at night so I'm wearing long swim shorts & a dri-fit shirt to try & stay cool and I just sink wash and it dries in a couple hours.
The shower has in-line water heater so you will never run out of hot water. Soap & shampoo dispensers are pictured. Nice sized shower room for 1 or more people.
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Day 2
Up around noon after a great sleep. Went across the street to get a massage but my first choice was doing a leg massage so was told to come back come back in 1 hour. I changed money at krungsri, a mustard yellow booth that also does Western Union. Some street changers only take cash but I was changing traveller's checks. Original passport was needed. The rate was 31. 56 baht to USD but there was a 33 baht per TC charge so net was 3126 baht per $100 USD traveller check. I think this is still better than getting baht thru ATM because of the ATM fee, unless you have a bank that reverses those fees.
Then I went to Top Charoen Eyeglass Shop on the second floor of the Royal Garden Shopping Center. They are a chain store. Free eye exam with purchase of glasses. I chose the cheapest frames so the total was 1590, about $48 USD and they were ready in about 1/2 hour. Paying by Visa credit card or cash is the same price.
Went back to Sa Thai Massage for another fantastic Thai Massage. 1 hour for 200 baht, tip is optional but I give 100 for satisfactory service. I recommend Tok, she is 32, only 42 kg but really strong and kinda cute.
The girls at the shop are super friendly and invite me to eat with them but truthfully, I can't eat the stuff they eat. I ate some noodle with veg then they ordered some shrimp rice for me. They paid for it but I paid the girl back. It was only 40 baht. I was planning to meet fellow ISG friend, AMEX SPG later so I decided to buy the massage girlssome drinks. 1 litre of whiskey (499 baht) .2 bags of ice (9 baht each) , and large bottle of Coke & large bottle of Pepsi (about 23 or 24 baht each). About 8 girls plus the store manager drank for hours for less than 600 baht. They were doing whiskey shots, pouring whiskey directly into my mouth, I poured whiskey into their mouth, etc. Good times. AMEX SPG texted me and said he was waking up and would meet me in about a half hour. The girls & I were halfway thru our second bottle of whiskey when AMEX showed up. I introduced him around then we took off after a couple shots. My head was spinning from the whiskey shots and the girls. The night was just beginning.
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[QUOTE=Sushilover808;1461578]Then she said the price was 1500 not 800 for ass fuck. Final RED FLAG! I told her no, and tossed her shoes in hall and asked her to leave with the one Heinekin in hand. I closed the door behind me and took off. Possibly a problem was averted. Learn from my mistakes and watch for these red flags and you will save time and money. Damage 44 baht for 1 Heinekin. Cheap for the lesson learned. Watch out for red flags.[/QUOTE]Smart move. I think most here would have still given her money while trying to get her to leave.
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You the Man!
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1461990]Smart move. I think most here would have still given her money while trying to get her to leave.[/QUOTE]If I'm ever in trouble in Pattaya, I stop and think,"what would Mr. E do in this situation?" and act accordingly!
Nice to hear from you Mr. E! Are you in Patts now?
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[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1461949]Absolutely. I've given 200 before. Negotiate with the girl during the massage. I've never given more than 300 for BBBJ.
Then again,"as cheap as I am," I've never stayed in a 500 baht room. I prefer to have a lift, air cond, etc. I think a room has more value than a few minutes of mouth.[/QUOTE]And we are talking 2013, not 2010? I'm not saying it's far-fetched but I've always been attached to the 500 baht number for some reason. Alright you convinced me. 300 baht will be my new number there. A day's worth of minimum wage sounds fair. So used to these stupid Bangkok prices. Just about done mongering here.
[QUOTE=Sushilover808; 1461958]NJO,
I'm currently staying at the Pattaya Noble place on Soi Post Office aka 13/2 for 500 baht per night with air conditioning that is visible in the first picture on the room below, flatscreen tv, private bath with shower, wi-fi, and balcony overlooking soi post office 13/2 and two massage shops. I like being in a good location with a great price![/QUOTE]Great contribution to the forum. This might be my new spot and if it's booked there are many other 500 baht places to check out. Stayed at Pattaya Bay resort last time and Tune hotel before that but think I'd rather have an extra girl and half the room price each day going forward.
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Nice freebie
From a dating website, I met and took out for dinner the attached very nice lady. She's a bit older and certainly more refined than anything on the walking street. I enjoyed her company and hope so again next trip.
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Night 2
fellow isg member, amex spg took me to the new [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] somewhere around 2nd road & soi buakhao close to oasis nightclub. for those of you that limit yourself to the very touristy walking street, give this area a try. there are many bars with lots of girls. as for [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url], it is small but very nice. we were there around 11 pm but there was no one else there. we just bought water for 50 baht each plus 20 tip. although i really wanted to try a bj bar, the girls that followed us in were not attractive. i asked to see the bj rooms. they were clean with a sofa or bed. i was told the price is 700 baht, tip is optional. one girl offered 600 baht but still not interested.
our next stop was the nearby bliss lounge. same layout: girls outside, nice clean bar inside, bj upstairs. the girls at bliss were more attractive. the place empty. we walked in and walked out a minute later.
the whiskey was finally wearing off and i was getting my head back in the game. we walked by a massage place called "thank you in love massage" on soi x-cyte, just across from triangle bar. it was only 100 baht for a massage. the girls were pretty. amex seemed to like somebody so i said "let's go!" there were 3 or 4 beds on the floor separated by curtains so i could hear everything that was going on a few feet away. after a few minutes of massage i could tell she was not skilled at massage so i asked how much for bj. i think she said 500 so i said ok. she worked it for about 20 minutes but i couldn't finish so i asked for fuck. another 20 minutes of hard fucking but i still couldn't finish. i blame it on the whiskey. i knew amex was waiting so i checked my watch and said enough. total was 100 for "massage" 500 for fuck and 300 tip.
now the fun part. amex told me the shop was closing because it was 12. amex negotiated for me 500 short time or 1000 long time plus tip if i'm happy. that sounded fine to both me and the girl. we walked back to my place and after a shower we were at it again. it was more a mission with purpose than just fun. i wanted to finish and give her the cim that she was asking for. about 20 or 30 minutes of fucking, she was dripping with sweat saying,"you kill me, i cum too much." i was tired and fell asleep. maybe 20 or 30 minutes of rest / sleep, she asks if i want to sleep and she can go home. i said ok. as she started to get ready to go, i asked her to come back and suck more, then fuck more. i was determined to finish. i went as hard as i could for about 5 to 10 minutes and gave her a nice thick load in her mouth. still hard, i went back in for a few minutes and gave her a second helping of thick white goo in her mouth. i didn't waste a drop. total was 500 plus 300 tip. 800 baht. if you add the 900 from the massage place then it was 1700 total, a little expensive but i had a good time. as she was leaving, she told me her name is noy & left me her number. pm if you want it. amex, i hope your night went well too!
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Patts?
What is going on with everyone calling Pattaya as "Patts"? Its puzzling to me. Is it because a lot of Ex-Patts live there? LOL If was referred to as Patts to a Thai, they would have no clue whatsoever, I reckon. Farangs usually do not pronounce Pattaya properly, but Patts only makes it worse. Where did the S come from? Are there any other cities in the world where the name was so shortened and an S added? I suppose there is "Honkers", right?
Pattaya should be pronounced "Put-tayar" ("Put" as in a golf 2 foot put.)
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Anal Retentive post of the Decade
[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1462023]What is going on with everyone calling Pattaya as "Patts"? Its puzzling to me. Is it because a lot of Ex-Patts live there? LOL If was referred to as Patts to a Thai, they would have no clue whatsoever, I reckon. Farangs usually do not pronounce Pattaya properly, but Patts only makes it worse. Where did the S come from? Are there any other cities in the world where the name was so shortened and an S added? I suppose there is "Honkers", right?
Pattaya should be pronounced "Put-tayar" ("Put" as in a golf 2 foot put.) [/QUOTE]You really do need to get a life.
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Hello
I am not a newbie. Forgot my previous password email everything, so created a new one. My PM is enabled. Please don't consider it a first post.
Just booked a flight, probably it's arriving Saturday. Leaves SFO Friday AM. Haven't made hotel bookings yet, will look to do so tomorrow. I will head straight to Pattaya from BKK. Will be there for about 10 days or so.
Thailand has not been my preferred destination since my only visit there a few years ago. It does not work for people of Indian origin. It eventually does but with extra effort and expenses. But the fact is that nowhere else in the world is there a city based on prostitution. There's a system in place, too many girls, round the clock availability. If one is looking for a guaranteed fix Pattaya is the place to go. So I am taking another chance.
But the thing is, I lack legitimacy as soon as I step into Thailand. So if someone happens to be there, happens to have extra time and willing to lend me some credibility, I'll happily accept it. I don't mind spending money but on occasions things end before they take off. I can make it work somehow but I am open to receiving help if available. I am around 40.
I've been preferring Vietnam lately. With some time in hand and preparation I can arrange non pros there and screw them bareback with full GFE. But this trip is being made in a hurry, so I am deciding to try Pattaya once again.
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[QUOTE=Run Mann;1462031]You really do need to get a life.[/QUOTE]That's my trade mark. LOL. Frustration from leaving the mongering zone.
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[QUOTE=Sushilover808; 1461958]NJO,
I'm currently staying at the Pattaya Noble place on Soi Post Office aka 13/2 for 500 baht per night with air conditioning that is visible in the first picture on the room below, flatscreen tv, private bath with shower, wi-fi, and balcony overlooking soi post office 13/2 and two massage shops. I like being in a good location with a great price![/QUOTE]Do they have condo too? Is there a reception? Is there some problems with girls or LBs in reception?
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[QUOTE=Sushilover808; 1461999]If I'm ever in trouble in Pattaya, I stop and think,"what would Mr. E do in this situation?" and act accordingly!
Nice to hear from you Mr. E! Are you in Patts now?[/QUOTE]Nahh. I just left on the 15th. Be back on the 9th. Tell Amex I finally got my addicts card. I wanted to be like him.
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[QUOTE=Syzygies;1462065]That's my trade mark.[b] LOL[/b] Frustration from leaving the mongering zone.[/QUOTE]Well, here is a job for you. I am commissioning a study on the validity of the most over used acronym ever, LOL. As of late the increase used of LOL on this forum is quite disturbingly noticeable. The purpose of this study is to determine how many people do actually laugh out loud when they write LOL. I suspect the number is next to zero but your report and findings will be used as a supporting document to a draft order which will eliminate LOL from the ISG lexicon. LOL is actually for chat room type discussions and since management is against chat room style of writing, this order will be a benefit to the community. Like you, I do have much time on my hands sometimes but since I am a monger for life, I lack the requisite time needed to complete said task on my own.
Finally, upon completion of your task you can select any item shown from this BR Merchant as compensation.
You're welcome.
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paradise go-go was seemingly raided by police who arrested the manager and took an **** girl into care!
[url]http://www.pattayaone.net/pattaya-news/59735/go-go-bar-central-pattaya-raided-police/[/url]
regards,
bj
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Pattaya to BKK
Thought of having a nuru massage and searched the net for the service in Pattaya. Always wanted to try this one after looking at the videos. Surprised to know that there is no nuru massage in Patts and therefore thought of making a trip to Dr. BJ's Nuru in BKK, located on Soi 7/1 in Nana. Decided to take the bus from Pattaya bus station to Ekkamai in BKK. From Ekkamai, it is only a 10 min ride in BTS to Nana. Good choice of girls and chose one with a slim build. Rooms are clean and comfortable. Good service with lots of sliding and rubbing. Was not sure if the condom would stay in place with all the slippery fluid but it held its position. Overall I would rate soapy massage to be better but nuru is worth giving a try.
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[QUOTE=Syzygies;1462065]That's my trade mark. LOL. Frustration from leaving the mongering zone.[/QUOTE]I seriously doubt this can be your trademark! Unless you are the former H444? For example the guy has something like 600 post and he has logged 600 LOL?
There is some indication that he has changed his handle but if one does some research his mother sends him to summer camp each year in August. He is most likely choking the chicken with another Leave it to Beaver kid in a log cabin? LOL.
LBM
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Re: Hello
I apologize to any gentlemen who might respond to my previous posting. I am changing my plans. I am going to work with prostitutes in Hanoi instead. It's going to be expensive but at least I know that my money is just as green in Vietnam.
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[QUOTE=Sushilover808; 1461966]Actually, I did book in advance but did NOT pay in advance as they requested because I was not sure how long I wanted to stay at this place. Fortunately when I arrived, there was a sign outside saying rooms available 500, 600, 700 baht per night. The building is a walkup, meaning no elevator. First floor up the stairs is 700 baht per night, second floor up the stairs is 600 baht per night, there is no third floor (like no 13th floor in USA) , fourth floor, is 500 baht per night. I recommend that you make a reservation with your request for cheaper price or slighly higher price but on a lower floor.
Towels are changed every other day, liquid soap & shampoo are provided from a dispenser in the bathroom, floor is swept & trash emptied daily. I tip the cleaning boy 20 baht for cleaning the room and refilling the soap that I use to wash my clothes. It is warm & humid every day since my arrival 2 days ago with light rain at night so I'm wearing long swim shorts & a dri-fit shirt to try & stay cool and I just sink wash and it dries in a couple hours.
The shower has in-line water heater so you will never run out of hot water. Soap & shampoo dispensers are pictured. Nice sized shower room for 1 or more people.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the detailed response much appreciated.
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[QUOTE=Client Number9;1462230]I apologize to any gentlemen who might respond to my previous posting. I am changing my plans. I am going to work with prostitutes in Hanoi instead. It's going to be expensive but at least I know that my money is just as green in Vietnam.[/QUOTE]Hanoi is not expensive. It's probably damn cheaper. My hotel there was only $25. You talk the service providers down like you do anywhere else. Never take the first price or even the second. As a matter of fact, you tell them what you are going to pay. They are open to negotiation. This includes the pimps managing in the massage parlors.
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[QUOTE=NeverJerkOff;1462003]And we are talking 2013, not 2010? I'm not saying it's far-fetched but I've always been attached to the 500 baht number for some reason. Alright you convinced me. 300 baht will be my new number there. A day's worth of minimum wage sounds fair. So used to these stupid Bangkok prices. Just about done mongering here.[/QUOTE]I'm talking Aug 2102, Feb 2013, and May 2013 just for my last three visits, and specifically places on 13/2. Don't know the exact names of places but orange shirts, purple shirts and green shirts. Had a regular at the orange shirt place but she wasn't there on my last trip. Beware that ladyboys sometimes work at these places, and they're the shorter / flatter / less obvious variety.
If you want to go lower there are places off Soi Buakhao that go way lower with no real reduction in quality whatsoever.
Leave the Bangkok prices in Bangkok please. Thanks brother.
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[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1462378]Hanoi is not expensive. It's probably damn cheaper. My hotel there was only $25. You talk the service providers down like you do anywhere else. Never take the first price or even the second. As a matter of fact, you tell them what you are going to pay. They are open to negotiation. This includes the pimps managing in the massage parlors.[/QUOTE]That's especially true in Vietnam, which has to be the most negotiation happy country in the world. If you don't negotiate in Vietnam you will get screwed big time, possibly up to 300 times the going rate (note only for women but everything).
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[QUOTE=Client Number9;1462230]I apologize to any gentlemen who might respond to my previous posting. I am changing my plans. I am going to work with prostitutes in Hanoi instead. It's going to be expensive but at least I know that my money is just as green in Vietnam.[/QUOTE]Second change of plans! Coming to Pattaya now! Vietnamese dumb fucks won't issue a rush visa with my passport. Last few times they did, they say there's a change in policy.
[QUOTE=Client Number9;1462039]But the thing is, I lack legitimacy as soon as I step into Thailand. So if someone happens to be there, happens to have extra time and willing to lend me some credibility, I'll happily accept it. I don't mind spending money but on occasions things end before they take off. I can make it work somehow but I am open to receiving help if available. I am around 40.[/QUOTE]Now seeking help!
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Devils Den
Few changes in their lineup witnessed in the past few months. Lots of new pics with some old timers like Cake and Alyssa still in service. Some of my favorites Vanessa, Tum and Rain (all were tall and leggy) are no longer there. Shucks, I will surely miss you girls on my next trip.
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Day 3 / Night 3
On walking to change money, I met a girl who was recruiting for a time-share presentation. I know this is a sex forum so please disregard this one paragraph that I will write about this event if you are offended. She said she makes 1000 baht if I go in for the 60 minute presentation. She paid for the 10 minute taxi ride to the resort that is affiliated with the Tai Pan Hotel in BKK. The presentation took only about 30 minutes and the offer is for $1200 you get 2 free weeks stay at a resort in their group to use in 2 years plus unlimited stays at resorts worldwide for $99 per week in Asia or $179 per week in USA. It seemed like a great deal but I declined and was given a pretty nice pair of sunglasses and a voucher to stay up to a week at the Tai Pan hotel in BKK for 800 baht taxes only per night including free wi-fi and buffet breakfast. I actually attended this presentation two years ago & used the certificate last year to stay at Tai Pan BKK when the regular rate was over 3000 baht per night as it is next door to Soi Cowboy. A private car took me back to my hotel and later I saw the girl & she thanked me because she received her 1000 baht. The whole thing took about 1 1/2 hours. I am in no way endorsing this presentation, it is simply a report of what I did and how it benefited me.
I had an early dinner & took a rest back in my hotel before meeting AMEX SPG at 930 pm. He took me to Soi 7 & Soi 8 which were not anything near as wild as Soi 6 but had many semi-outdoor bars with live music like the LK Metro area. Drinks were 1/2 price of Walking Street, about 50 baht for a Red Bull. We walked to Walking Street and checked out the girls along BR on the way. Our first stop was Gentleman's Club that was featuring 50 baht Johnny Walker Black w / mixer on Thursday nights. Saturday will be Jack Daniels night. It's a relatively small & intimate club but the girls were very nice and all topless. We tipped the nice ones and moved on to our next stop, the much more nasty Babydolls. I like the more raunchy stuff. Shower show, girls rolling around on the table, more hands on. Drinks were double the price so we just had one, tipped a few girls and moved on. I can't remember the name of the third place but there were hundreds of girls but only a few were topless. Drink prices were also high. I'm not sure why AMEX likes this place but I was getting tired. Total about 1000 baht for about 4 hours of bar hopping with somewhat generous tipping.
We parted ways and I walked back to my place along Beach Road looking for something that was at AMEX's level. AMEX has inspired me to shop at a higher level. It was about 3 am so choices were limited. Just as I was about to quit, I found Bee from 2 nights ago. I usually do not repeat but last time service was great and now options are limited. Same great service, BBBJ, front to back service, this time nice thick CIM and more back door. She washed up and was getting ready to leave and notice that I tipped 300 in addition to her 700 gift. She got on her knees to thank me which led to round two. She said "you break my ass so try fuck pussy." I tried but could not finish after about 15 minutes. I gave her another 300 plus 40 for taxi. Total 1340 baht to Bee for 2 rounds.
Now the real secret to enjoying the nightfife in Pattaya. Lunch then an afternoon to early evening nap! Wake up refreshed and ready for night action!
1st picture is AMEX with everyone's dream girl. Get in line and maybe the master will offer you his leftovers!
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[QUOTE=Sushilover808; 1462482]We parted ways and I walked back to my place along Beach Road looking for something that was at AMEX's level. AMEX has inspired me to shop at a higher level. It was about 3 am so choices were limited. Just as I was about to quit, I found Bee from 2 nights ago. I usually do not repeat but last time service was great and now options are limited. Same great service, BBBJ, front to back service, this time nice thick CIM and more back door. She washed up and was getting ready to leave and notice that I tipped 300 in addition to her 700 gift. She got on her knees to thank me which led to round two. She said "you break my ass so try fuck pussy." I tried but could not finish after about 15 minutes. I gave her another 300 plus 40 for taxi. Total 1340 baht to Bee for 2 rounds.
Now the real secret to enjoying the nightfife in Pattaya. Lunch then an afternoon to early evening nap! Wake up refreshed and ready for night action![/QUOTE]Yo bradah, Sushilover808, that some tasty kopa'a. No can get pussy like that back home in dah 808, I see why you stay Pattaya. Ever stay Bangkok, bra, or all dah time Pattaya? Me, I stay Bangkok, but maybe try Pattaya after your reports.
My best pidgin attempt, please don't take offense, and I look forward to your next (excellent) report.
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[QUOTE=Sushilover808;1462482]<Our first stop was Gentleman's Club that was featuring 50 baht Johnny Walker Black w / mixer on Thursday nights. Saturday will be Jack Daniels night. It's a relatively small & intimate club but the girls were very nice and all topless.>[/QUOTE]Nice report with good info Sushi.
Since Jack Daniels is my favorite whisky, and 50 baht is an unbelievably great price, I'm wondering if every Saturday is Jack night.
Do you know?
Regardless, I'll be sure the check the place out.
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[QUOTE=Kumbu; 1462507]Yo bradah, Sushilover808, that some tasty kopa'a. No can get pussy like that back home in dah 808, I see why you stay Pattaya. Ever stay Bangkok, bra, or all dah time Pattaya? Me, I stay Bangkok, but maybe try Pattaya after your reports.
My best pidgin attempt, please don't take offense, and I look forward to your next (excellent) report.[/QUOTE]You lose mocking rights after writing novels to describe things most men would forget seconds later and paying 2000 covered for the same pussy LuvPuss is shooting bareback loads into for 1000 and I'm dumping pearl necklaces on for 600. For the record, you can get a lot better deals in Bangkok but everything is so much easier in Pattaya.
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[QUOTE=Daddy07;1462528]Do you know?[/QUOTE]Take a look here: [url]http://gentlemensclubpattaya.com/specials/[/url]
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[QUOTE=Kumbu; 1462507]Yo bradah, Sushilover808, that some tasty kopa'a. No can get pussy like that back home in dah 808, I see why you stay Pattaya. Ever stay Bangkok, bra, or all dah time Pattaya? Me, I stay Bangkok, but maybe try Pattaya after your reports.
My best pidgin attempt, please don't take offense, and I look forward to your next (excellent) report.[/QUOTE]BKK has 10% the options available in Pattaya. Virtually unlimited in Patts.
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Yes, Daily Specials!
[QUOTE=Daddy07; 1462528]Nice report with good info Sushi.
Since Jack Daniels is my favorite whisky, and 50 baht is an unbelievably great price, I'm wondering if every Saturday is Jack night.
Do you know?
Regardless, I'll be sure the check the place out.[/QUOTE]
See here: [url]http://gentlemensclubpattaya.com/specials/[/url]
specials
Draft Beer Card - 495 Baht Save over 45%. 10 draft beers for just 495 baht.
Drink Card - 995 Baht Save over 20%. 10 drinks for just 995 baht, Basic spirits, bottled beers (excluding Coronoa).
50 Baht Specials ALL NIGHT
Monday - Gilbeys Gin
Tuesday - Jose Cuervo Tequila
Wednesday - Heineken
Thursday - Johnny Walker Black Label
Friday - San Miguel Light
Saturday - Jack Daniels
Sunday - Smiroff Vodka
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[QUOTE=Sushilover808;1462482]On walking to change money, I met a girl who was recruiting for a time-share presentation. I know this is a sex forum so please disregard this one paragraph that I will write about this event if you are offended. She said she makes 1000 baht if I go in for the 60 minute presentation. She paid for the 10 minute taxi ride to the resort that is affiliated with the Tai Pan Hotel in BKK. The presentation took only about 30 minutes and the offer is for $1200 you get 2 free weeks stay at a resort in their group to use in 2 years plus unlimited stays at resorts worldwide for $99 per week in Asia or $179 per week in USA. It seemed like a great deal but I declined and was given a pretty nice pair of sunglasses and a voucher to stay up to a week at the Tai Pan hotel in BKK for 800 baht taxes only per night including free wi-fi and buffet breakfast. I actually attended this presentation two years ago & used the certificate last year to stay at Tai Pan BKK when the regular rate was over 3000 baht per night as it is next door to Soi Cowboy. A private car took me back to my hotel and later I saw the girl & she thanked me because she received her 1000 baht. The whole thing took about 1 1/2 hours. I am in no way endorsing this presentation, it is simply a report of what I did and how it benefited me.[/QUOTE]To add a mongering twist to the story: I helped out a Tai Pan crew too (some years back and in BKK, so apologies for off-topic, but same modus operandi). That had the positive side-effect that they remembered me and still wanted to chat me up later (they always stood at the same place). Eventually they asked me join them in their favourite night club. I bought a bottle of whiskey for their gang and they were happy enough to let me screw the one among them that I fancied. Exactly my kind of time-sharing, thank you Tai Pan!
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[QUOTE=NeverJerkOff;1462534]You lose mocking rights after blah blah blah[/QUOTE]I didn't realize that was your call, I'll be sure to check in with you the next time I have a question about my rights.
I was not in fact mocking, and if that was not clear, I apologize to Sushilover808. It was intended as some brotherly ribbing, and a genuine question, given his obvious expertise at what he does, about why he goes to Pattaya more than BKK. He answered it, and that's that.
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[quote=dr bj; 1462176]paradise go-go was seemingly raided by police who arrested the manager and took an **** girl into care!
[url]http://www.pattayaone.net/pattaya-news/59735/go-go-bar-central-pattaya-raided-police/[/url]
regards,
bj[/quote]i don't understand why the well known gogo's hire **** girls. a girl i know who works in a famous gogo in bkk sent some pictures to me a couple of weeks ago. one of the girls in the pics was awfully cute, so i asked about her. answer was she is dancing in the bar and is only 16 years old. so you guys, beware of girls who looks too young!
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Ok, will go back tomorrow.
[QUOTE=Yin Yang;1462616]To add a mongering twist to the story: I helped out a Tai Pan crew too (some years back and in BKK, so apologies for off-topic, but same modus operandi). That had the positive side-effect that they remembered me and still wanted to chat me up later (they always stood at the same place). Eventually they asked me join them in their favourite night club. I bought a bottle of whiskey for their gang and they were happy enough to let me screw the one among them that I fancied. Exactly my kind of time-sharing, thank you Tai Pan![/QUOTE]I was considering tapping that girl's nice ass but was thinking more no than yes but now I want to do it just to say I done that! I'm headed back there around noon tomorrow. Report to follow.
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[quote=yin yang;1462616]to add a mongering twist to the story: i helped out a tai pan crew too (some years back and in bkk, so apologies for off-topic, but same modus operandi). that had the positive side-effect that they remembered me and still wanted to chat me up later (they always stood at the same place). eventually they asked me join them in their favourite night club. i bought a bottle of whiskey for their gang and they were happy enough to let me screw the one among them that i fancied. exactly my kind of time-sharing, thank you tai pan![/quote]that's a nice score. how did she look? those girls are usually very well put together, but things can fall apart once the clothes and makeup come off. i hit one of the beauties working the information desk near starbucks at central festival last year. she looked amazing every day at the mall. only average back in the room. still worth it though.
[quote]i don't understand why the well known gogo's hire **** girls. a girl i know who works in a famous gogo in bkk sent some pictures to me a couple of weeks ago. one of the girls in the pics was awfully cute, so i asked about her. answer was she is dancing in the bar and is only 16 years old. so you guys, beware of girls who looks too young![/quote]maybe trying to help out a family member or friend who needs money. i was at a far off beer bar far in pattaya once and the girl i was talking to kept trying to push off her "friend" on me. she said i'd be a good first farang customer for her. she was very cute. i started chatting her up and discovered she was only 17. explained the issue and asked for my "check bill." the girl assured me "no problem. she my sister. good girl, not do bad. have guest house no ask i'd card." i gave a quick no thanks and got the hell out of there.
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Day 4 / Night 4
Today was my day to catch up on some much needed rest. I woke up around 10 am, did my ISG report, went to 7-11 for lunch. And slept from 2 pm to 8 pm. Fully rested, I headed to Soi 6 to barfine one of the stunners that Amex introduced me to a couple nights ago. While on my way to Soi 6, Amex messages me at 955 about a birthday party for a bar girl we met last night on Soi 7, so I head that way. It was easy to find as they had a huge display of balloons and a karaoke singer out front. It seems the girls pay for their own be-day party & try to recoup their costs with donations to a money lei. There was a full pig being roasted slowly in the back and other food like soup & fruits. I had some of the roast pork and donated 110 baht to each of the two birthday girls and a 50 baht beer to the one that asked.
I wanted to purchase bar shirts like Amex so he took me to Night Wish & The Pussy Club on Soi 6 but they both did not have my size. We did the long walk on Beach Road from Soi 6 to Walking Street, stopping frequently to see if anything was of interest. Before going to iBar, we stopped at a go-go to meet Amex's friend, I can't remember the name of the place but it was nice and friendly. There was an entertaining lesbian show. I had to track down the girls to tip 20 baht each. They really don't expect it but certainly appreciate it. Funny part was the mama-san kept coming over to rub my chest & squeeze my nipples. Good hospitality I guess. Finally headed to iBar. It was packed for a Friday night. Hundreds, possibly a thousand girls, but just too crazy busy. I headed out.
One last walk down Beach Road on my way to my hotel. I was just keeping in mind,"raise the bar, raise the bar" I want to find someone that was at Amex's level but would still do the crazy stuff I ask for. After a quick chat with about a dozen girls, I found Noy, age 30. She agreed to BBBJ, pussy, ass, CIM for 1000 baht short time. I probably could have talked her down but I didn't even try. Service was very good. Long, unhurried BBBJ, reverse cowgirl, and cowgirl to her completion. Next was my turn. I pounded her pussy until she was almost laughing from so much fucking. That changed to deep moaning when we went anal. After about 30 minutes of front to back pounding, she started saying,"you break my ass, finish pussy or mouth." In each hole I was bumping up against and sometimes past something making her gasp. ATM, I finished with a huge thick load into her mouth. She sucked the last few drops out. Great job! I asked her to stay long time and she she laughed and said,"no, you break my ass. You call me maybe tomorrow." She gave me a goodbye kiss on my dick. Total 1000 plus 50 baht tip for her motorbike taxi ride home. As always, PM for her number.
In retrospect, Noy was a fantastic service provider but certainly not one the stunners that AMEX goes with. I must keep trying to raise the bar. Maybe Amex will pass on his leftovers.
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[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1462874]That's a nice score. How did she look? Those girls are usually very well put together, but things can fall apart once the clothes and makeup come off. I hit one of the beauties working the information desk near Starbucks at Central Festival last year. She looked amazing every day at the mall. Only average back in the room. Still worth it though.[/QUOTE]At that time, the promoters weren't model types at all but university students. The one I scored was tall and quite dark (and therefore drawn to farangs maybe). Great looks and body but sex didn't really rock. It didn't last for long anyway because the friends were a bit too nonchalant about having drinks on my account for several nights. But it was a nice change from the usual P4P routine.
[QUOTE=Sushilover808;1462806]I was considering tapping that girl's nice ass but was thinking more no than yes but now I want to do it just to say I done that! I'm headed back there around noon tomorrow. Report to follow.[/QUOTE]Good luck but don't expect a seasoned service provider!
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Longtime with 25 yrs hottie
For six nights since Sunday I have been screwing this 25 yrs hottie, mother of two so I guess you could call her a MILF.
I met her at a massage parlour where she did perform an oil massage for me, when finished I asked her for her number which she gave me with a smile.
I would rate her face, body and personality an 8 out of 10.
The first nights she ain't got really wet, but I've learned that you have to teach you're woman who's the boss, in bed as well as outside the bed but you can still treat her fair. As the nights gone by, me doing her doggy-style I have been noticing how she slowly starts to surrender to me, accepting my penis penetrating her and that she thereby is getting wetter down there.
Only thing about the sex that could be better is that she really ain't into BJ, she says that she never done it, still I don't know if to believe that?
Sure I can feel an interest in screwing different women, but still I think the sex is getting better and better the longer you're doing the same woman night after night, also I'll only stay in Thailand for 2 weeks with 4 more nights to go, so I think I stay drilling her.
Also I think she gave me quite a good deal, I can stay with her at her place so I don't have to pay for any guesthouse, and doing her every night, for both living at her place and the sex I pay 1000 THB every morning, what you say about that?
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Tempting
[QUOTE=Sushilover808; 1462593]See here:
[url]http://gentlemensclubpattaya.com/specials/[/url]
Thursday. Johnny Walker Black Label.
Friday. San Miguel Light.
Saturday. Jack Daniels[/QUOTE]Nice to see their website ready, some new talent can also be seen.
Just a bit dark inside I felt, make sure you check the talent from head to toe.
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Forgot a couple pictures from my phone last night.
The Soi 7 birthday girls with their money leis.
A couple of Soi 6 bar girls wrestling.
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Apologies as this is not an FR
Just curious what would this guy get if he lands up in Pattaya [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EANsWdp8Gac[/url]
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[QUOTE=Little Johney; 1463108]Just curious what would this guy get if he lands up in Pattaya.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EANsWdp8Gac[/url][/QUOTE]He would get nothing. His money is just not as green in Pattaya.
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[QUOTE=BlygdTuktaren; 1462952]For six nights since Sunday I have been screwing this 25 yrs hottie, mother of two so I guess you could call her a MILF.
I met her at a massage parlour where she did perform an oil massage for me, when finished I asked her for her number which she gave me with a smile.
I would rate her face, body and personality an 8 out of 10.
The first nights she ain't got really wet, but I've learned that you have to teach you're woman who's the boss, in bed as well as outside the bed but you can still treat her fair. As the nights gone by, me doing her doggy-style I have been noticing how she slowly starts to surrender to me, accepting my penis penetrating her and that she thereby is getting wetter down there.
Only thing about the sex that could be better is that she really ain't into BJ, she says that she never done it, still I don't know if to believe that?
Sure I can feel an interest in screwing different women, but still I think the sex is getting better and better the longer you're doing the same woman night after night, also I'll only stay in Thailand for 2 weeks with 4 more nights to go, so I think I stay drilling her.
Also I think she gave me quite a good deal, I can stay with her at her place so I don't have to pay for any guesthouse, and doing her every night, for both living at her place and the sex I pay 1000 THB every morning, what you say about that?[/QUOTE]Sure sounds like you believe you're getting a good deal and you're enjoying yourself so why do you care about what anyone else thinks?
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"a picture is worth a thousand words"
[QUOTE=BlygdTuktaren; 1462952]For six nights since Sunday I have been screwing this 25 yrs hottie, mother of two so I guess you could call her a MILF.
I met her at a massage parlour where she did perform an oil massage for me, when finished I asked her for her number which she gave me with a smile.
I would rate her face, body and personality an 8 out of 10.
The first nights she ain't got really wet, but I've learned that you have to teach you're woman who's the boss, in bed as well as outside the bed but you can still treat her fair. As the nights gone by, me doing her doggy-style I have been noticing how she slowly starts to surrender to me, accepting my penis penetrating her and that she thereby is getting wetter down there.
Only thing about the sex that could be better is that she really ain't into BJ, she says that she never done it, still I don't know if to believe that?
Sure I can feel an interest in screwing different women, but still I think the sex is getting better and better the longer you're doing the same woman night after night, also I'll only stay in Thailand for 2 weeks with 4 more nights to go, so I think I stay drilling her.
Also I think she gave me quite a good deal, I can stay with her at her place so I don't have to pay for any guesthouse, and doing her every night, for both living at her place and the sex I pay 1000 THB every morning, what you say about that?[/QUOTE]How about a couple pictures of the 25 year old hottie? We would luv to see her! At least her body.
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Silly?
Can somebody suggest a good laundry service around 2nd road, beach road or Pattaya south (tuk).
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Don't think I can sleep. Leaving tomorrow
For the past 3 nights, I've been going through the past 60 pages, copying & pasting worth-while reports and compiling them into a PDF file.
The total number of pages for Pattaya is 51 pages of reports! Holy smokes. I have a lot of reading to do on the plane.
I fly out tomorrow and I have to thank many people on this thread for helping me with my first trip to Thailand.
I made the bad mistake of not getting my Samsung Galaxy unlocked before I leave. It's hard to find someone here in Tokyo that does it because people here are so hell-bent on following the rules.
Does anybody know a place in Thailand (airport, Pattaya) that can unlock my Samsung quickly?
If possible, I'd like to buy some of the guys here a beer or something when I arrive tomorrow night. I'm going alone, so it's a good & bad thing. I'll be staying at the Whitehouse Condotel on Soi 13.
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[QUOTE=CorporateMalaya;1463409]Can somebody suggest a good laundry service around 2nd road, beach road or Pattaya south (tuk).[/QUOTE]On the street that connects Soi 7 with Soi 8 there is one right across from Pig & Whistle
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[QUOTE=DaniChan007; 1463410]For the past 3 nights, I've been going through the past 60 pages, copying & pasting worth-while reports and compiling them into a PDF file.
The total number of pages for Pattaya is 51 pages of reports! Holy smokes. I have a lot of reading to do on the plane.
I fly out tomorrow and I have to thank many people on this thread for helping me with my first trip to Thailand.
I made the bad mistake of not getting my Samsung Galaxy unlocked before I leave. It's hard to find someone here in Tokyo that does it because people here are so hell-bent on following the rules.
Does anybody know a place in Thailand (airport, Pattaya) that can unlock my Samsung quickly?
If possible, I'd like to buy some of the guys here a beer or something when I arrive tomorrow night. I'm going alone, so it's a good & bad thing. I'll be staying at the Whitehouse Condotel on Soi 13.[/QUOTE]Go to Second Road and Pattaya Tai, walk or take a songthaw to Tuc-com center second flow someone can unlock it for you.
LBM
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[QUOTE=DaniChan007;1463410]Does anybody know a place in Thailand (airport, Pattaya) that can unlock my Samsung quickly?[/QUOTE]Go directly across 2nd road into the Avenue shopping center, and there is a place on the ground level that does it. It's an open air store, with signs that they unlock all brands of phones. You can't miss it.
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Day 5 / Night 5
Getting more progressively tired every morning. I tried to catch up on some much needed rest. I woke up around 10 am, did my ISG report, went to 7-11 for lunch. And slept from 2 pm to 7 pm. Somewhat rested, around 7:30 I headed to "Thank you in love massage" for a 100 baht "massage" but really it is a room fee. Choose the girl you want, and negotiate a service & price. I picked a slender 26 year old, she escorted me to the small back room were there were 4 beds on the floor separated by curtains. She asks,"do you want boom-boom?" I reply "how much?" She says,"1000." I counter "500." She says "ok 700." I say "total 700 smoke & boom-boom." She agrees. 10 minutes of leg and arm massage then my penis is in her mouth. She works it well for for about 5 minutes then rides me reverse cowgirl for about another 5 minutes. I flip her over & try to finish I pound away for about 20 minutes but can't finish. I ask for pictures. At first she says no then I say I tip 100 for pictures and she agrees. Total damage 800 baht. On my way out, a see a much better looking girl, sigh, maybe next time. I saw her pay the other girl 150, possibly for the room & commission.
I arrived at Night Wish around 845 for their 1 year anniversary party. They have 2 spits roasting whole pigs. The place is packed by I get a stool at the front looking out to the street ans somewhat fresh air. I order a Red Bull and tip the girl 20 baht and another 20 to bring me a plate of food. I ask for new pork, no fat. She brings my plate in a few minutes. Delicious! I'm waiting for Amex but he is delayed for the best reason in Patts. Girl still in the room. I leave around 10 pm headed toward Waling Street along Beach Road. Hundreds of girls are available along the over 1 mile from Soi 6 to the entrance of Walking Street.
Almost at the entrance of Walking Street at around 11:30, I meet Amex and he want to go to Night Wish at Soi 6 where I just came form. I agree as the pork was delicious. We walk back together, he has 1 plate of pork, and is ready to go back to Walking Street. We go to Gentleman's Club on Soi Diamond. By this time I figured I have walked at least 5 miles. I'm wiped out but 50 baht Jack & coke somewhat revive me. I tipped about 5 dancers 20 baht each and one comes over and gives me the the full court press for a lady drink. I decline a couple times before finally just asking her to sit elsewhere.
Our next stop was Windmill, famed as the most nasty gogo. Amex says a girl will blow me right at my seat in the main room. I ask and the girl says "no, because police". Amex says maybe Babydolls so that is on my list, a semi public BJ. It's almost 3 am and I'm really wiped out so I want to get a girl and head back to my hotel. As I'm walking back to the hotel, Bee from two nights ago messages me and wants to meet me in about an hour. I tell her to message me when she is ready and I start my hunting on Beach Road. There were about 6 girls who were great looking on my way back to my hotel but I was still thinking about Bee, because I know she is a tried & true great performer. Sure enough, almost exactly 1 hour later she messages me to meet me at Pizza Hut, at the entrance to my Soi. I know I'm in for a great time with no hurry.
Sure enough, over two hours for 2 sessions of BBBJ, pussy / ass, ATM CIM then back to ass for more while she holds my thick load in her mouth then a second shot on top of the first, rest massage & repeat. Second round was longer but just one shot. I ask for long time but same thing, she says,"honey, you break my ass. I think you want to fuck my ass all night." Without asking, I give her the same 1300 baht plus 40 baht for motorbike taxi for 2 long rounds in 2 hours including a massage with BJ that led to the second round. Very tired and very sore I take a few ibuprofen and go to sleep.
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Day 6 / Night 6 / Day 7
I forgot to mention that the sun was coming up as Bee was leaving as it was after 6 am. I slept until around 11:30 then woke up still tired. I realized that I had a huge blister on my baby toe probably from the approximately 6 miles of walking the night before. It is very cheap to take the baht bus as it is only 10 baht from Soi 6 to Walking Street but while in Pattaya, I have no other exercise than walking and sex, meaning I don't go to the gym as I usually do so that is why I try to walk rather than take the bus. I tried to sleep in the afternoon but could not. Afternoon with a few movies on tv soon became midnight and I was still tired. I think I really overdid it on Day 5. At midnight, I decided to let my blister and body rest & heal so I took an Ambien and a few ibuprofen and went to sleep. Such a waste but my lesson is rest today for the adventure tomorrow.
I woke up around 8 am after a great sleep feeling refreshed! Soon, I'm going to get a massage or brunch or hunt on beach road or all of the above. Going to be a great day in Patts!
I bought a case of energy. Only 10 baht each or 50 for 500 baht, less than $17 USD. I'll bring home what I don't drink in the next few days!
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[quote=sushilover808;1462019]amex spg took me to the new [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] somewhere around 2nd road & soi buakhao close to oasis nightclub.[/quote]is it still called [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url]? i was in the area last night and could not find it and there is a new club in its old location.
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respectfully, new [CodeWord900] not at old location
[quote=run mann;1463721]is it still called [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url]? i was in the area last night and could not find it and there is a new club in its old location.[/quote]new [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] is in a new location behind oasis not on lk metro. i know you rtff because you quoted me so just for others, as i said in report 13310, "fellow isg member, amex spg took me to the new [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] somewhere around 2nd road & soi buakhao close to oasis nightclub." interior looks like old [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url]. imho, service providers looked much more attractive at bliss.
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A Location, Please
[QUOTE=Sushilover808;1463690]Getting more progressively tired every morning. I tried to catch up on some much needed rest. I woke up around 10 am, did my ISG report, went to 7-11 for lunch. And slept from 2 pm to 7 pm. Somewhat rested, around 7:30 I headed to "Thank you in love massage" for a 100 baht "massage" but really it is a room fee. Choose the girl you want, and negotiate a service & price. I picked a slender 26 year old, she escorted me to the small back room were there were 4 beds on the floor separated by curtains. She asks,"do you want boom-boom?" I reply "how much?" She says,"1000." I counter "500." She says "ok 700." I say "total 700 smoke & boom-boom." She agrees. 10 minutes of leg and arm massage then my penis is in her mouth. She works it well for for about 5 minutes then rides me reverse cowgirl for about another 5 minutes. I flip her over & try to finish I pound away for about 20 minutes but can't finish. I ask for pictures. At first she says no then I say I tip 100 for pictures and she agrees. Total damage 800 baht. On my way out, a see a much better looking girl, sigh, maybe next time. I saw her pay the other girl 150, possibly for the room & commission.[/QUOTE]Would you please tell us where we can find this "Thank You In Love Massage".
Many thanks for the good info.
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With respect, RTFF
[QUOTE=Sirwilliam4; 1463731]Would you please tell us where we can find this "Thank You In Love Massage".
Many thanks for the good info.[/QUOTE]
You're welcome! Mai pen rai!
In report #13310 entitled Night 2, I wrote,"We walked by a massage place called "Thank you in love massage" on Soi X-cyte, just across from Triangle Bar."
If you are in Pattaya now, I will meet you today and take you there as I would not mind going back. Please PM if you want to meet.
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[quote]Does anybody know a place in Thailand (airport, Pattaya) that can unlock my Samsung.[/quote]First floor on tuc com plaza many phone shops can unlock most of the phones. Have a great trip and keep reporting, thanks.
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Night 7 - Double Fun
Met fellow ISG member, AMEX SPG, at 9 pm for a little Beach Road shopping then hit a bunch of gogo bars on Walking Street, Baccara, Tiger, Shark, Gentleman's Club, Happy-A-Gogo. Baccara & Happy were very busy with lots of girls & high drink prices. Tiger & Shark were virtually empty. Gentleman's was medium busy with 50 baht Gin drinks on Monday. 4 hours and 1000 baht later I was ready to call it a night and find something fun. We parted at 1 am.
On my way home on Beach Road, I found two girls in their mid 20s who would go for 600 each. I haven't done a double in years so why not! They were "sisters" meaning close friends who shared a room. They were giggling all the way back to my room. When I asked why, one said they had never been with a man together. Maybe BS, maybe not. Back in my room, I shower then one joins me then the other. Big shower room is great but more a novelty than practical so I rinse and say take your time. One comes out and goes straight for my dick the other starts to kiss me & play with my nipples. Next a great double header BJ, then my balls for one and dick for other. Then one fucks me while the other sits on my face for a few minutes. I waited for the one fucking me to get tired or finish. Not sure which happened but next I had them lay side by side and I went back & forth fucking them a few minutes each. The smaller girl could not take it deep and was just watching tv when I fucked her friend so I stopped, said thank you and gave her the 600 baht and told her she could go. She showered, gave me a wai, and good night all while I was pounding away at her friend. Now I concentrated on fucking the heck out of the slimmer girl. I pounded away and had to stop for ky a couple times. About 30 minutes and I was a sweaty mess but I could not finish. Maybe the booze or maybe too much Red Bull but some satisfaction that it was great sex though no finish for me. We relaxed, chatted a little, she gave me her number to contact her, and I gave her 600 baht plus 200 tip. Total was 1400 for 2 girls for over 1 1/2 hour session.
At 3:37 soon after she left, I sent her a thank you text. At 7:55 am this morning, I received a text saying she wants to meet me after 9 pm tonight. Luv being in Patts! As always, phone number available on request.
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new [CodeWord900]
[quote=sushilover808;1463730]new [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] is in a new location behind oasis not on lk metro. i know you rtff because you quoted me so just for others, as i said in report 13310, "fellow isg member, amex spg took me to the new [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] somewhere around 2nd road & soi buakhao close to oasis nightclub." interior looks like old [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url]. imho, service providers looked much more attractive at bliss.[/quote]to sushi,
i have a hard time finding the new place is much smaller than the old one only 4 ugly girl 600 bht for bj walk out and head to bliss lounge on pattaya 3 road pick kit pretty small girl 700bht for a bbbj no fs here very busy with 8 girl avalible.
fast eddie 48
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Just 'Nother Pattaya Report
there are far fewer smt around. it appears pattaya is catering more to families, russians. chinese. do not understand this. i mean, isn't bringing a child to pattaya a form of child abuse? i could not imagine how i would have turned out if i knew of pattaya when i was a teenager (mean would have turned out worse, if that's even possible).
little popper going two or three different gals a day. did the bliss thing. not that it was bad, but the worst bj i've had this trip. was mostly a hand job, something which really surprised me. bad luck of the draw i guess. as posted on the form, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] moved. will check out and try to find oasis and report.
just a few misc stories:
three nights ago found a gal. she was walking into walking street disco, and immediately agreed to 500 baht. she just arrived pattaya and spoke nearly zero english. it was an all anal session. she was good looking. not great. 32 years old, one kid, and just so into butt sex. suspect regular sex would bore her. gave her a 200 baht tip and have her number for later.
around marine there a place for 40 baht chicken and grabbed two for a meal. as always, grabbing gals who walk by. one gal, beauty too. offered her food, and she wanted a drink, so gave her 100 baht to go to the local convenient store. she worked at windmill gogo before, and now working at a pretty famous gogo which i won't say the name of. she quickly agreed to 1000 baht. 28 years and a beautiful smile.
yesterday, before going to the gym, went to one of those massage parlors with a red sign at the soi po area. gal was great, giving a nice firm bj and swallowed most. have her number, which i will probably toss before too long. that night had my schwarma and went hunting. near secrets saw this one gal with her friends who was borderline stunner. like near a ten. tall and beautiful. she, 25 years, quickly agreed to 1000 baht and off we went. name was pooie, and for some reason all gals named pooie are frigging gorgeous. not a pro, but works something in the food industry. i was all over her, nearly gave her a rim job. she had an ass, perfectly round, stunning. none of this flat butt crap. unfortunately, would not let me cum in her mouth, and forget anal. however, her face, smile, long flowing hair, round breasts. easily the prettiest gal i've had this trip. she sat on my face for nearly half an hour as she watched my sexy movies on my notebook pc. had to do her doggie, since her ass was made of heaven. tried to stick my fingers inside, but no way. little popper kept it up well last evening. all the gals say that i last a long time. i do not know if they say this to everyone, or just me, but i read somewhere to make yourself last longer is to exercise that muscle which is, well, under your balls. to exercise it, try to stop yourself from pissing while mid-stream; also exercise squeeze and hold your butt cheeks for long periods of time. supposedly this exercises that muscle so you have better control. then again, could be complete bs.
after, she told me of some contest at lucifers. apparently every monday at 1:30am and 2:30am gals have a dance off. lucifers was just great. there were some white gals in the dance off, but they didn't hold a candle to the four pairs of thais, who were just awesome. gals who won were both tatooed on each butt cheek, and one had blue hair. awesome. gal i just banged, a ten was beside me, and i was dancing with this other gal, practically fingering her she was while moving. the other gal was getting into it. where else could you bang a ten, and then less than an hour after ignore her and finger another gal practically right in front of her.
damn i hate pattaya.
--popper
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Noble place
This was an excellent recommendation. I checked out 3 places on Soi post office and this place definitely was the best.
The place wouldn't budge past 500 baht for a top floor room; still a great deal.
Meanwhile, just got to Pattaya. Anyone else here that wants to meet up in the evening?
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[quote=sushilover808;1463730]new [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] is in a new location behind oasis not on lk metro. i know you rtff because you quoted me so just for others, as i said in report 13310, "fellow isg member, amex spg took me to the new [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] somewhere around 2nd road & soi buakhao close to oasis nightclub." interior looks like old [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url]. imho, service providers looked much more attractive at bliss.[/quote]appreciate you telling us about [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url], as a bj aficionado, i love these places and did not know they were back in business. just as a matter of precision for anyone who is interested in finding it, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] is not exactly behind oasis go-go bar on soi buakhao but on the same soi oasis is on once you turn off soi buakhao. however, it is about half way down the block on the right hand side. setup and girls are essentially the same as at the old location but there are several little bars and massage shops on the on that soi and some very doable girls greeting you and trying to pull you into their shops as you pass by so you make not make it to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url]. glad they are back in business though.
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[quote=run mann;1464304]just as a matter of precision for anyone who is interested in finding it, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] is not exactly behind oasis go-go bar on soi buakhao but on the same soi oasis is on once you turn off soi buakhao. however, it is about half way down the block on the right hand side.[/quote]still confused about the directions. oasis is on soi buakhao. first you say that [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s is on the same soi, which would be buakhao, but then you say it's halfway down the block once u-turn off soi buakhao. is it on soi lenkee then, which is just south of oasis and leads to 3rd road? or is it on soi diana halfway down westward toward beach road?
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[quote=daddy07;1464319]still confused about the directions. oasis is on soi buakhao. first you say that [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s is on the same soi, which would be buakhao, but then you say it's halfway down the block once u-turn off soi buakhao. is it on soi lenkee then, which is just south of oasis and leads to 3rd road? or is it on soi diana halfway down westward toward beach road?[/quote]no, i said the same soi once you turn off soi buakhao, oasis is on buakhao and that soi. i do not remember the name of that street but it is will lead you to 3rd road. so if you exit oasis turn right, then make an immediate right on that soi, oasis will still be on your right and you will see [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] down the road on the right side of the street. you have to cross the street to get to diana which is the other direction going towards 2d road.
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Thank should put the place on the same Soi as the Cantabery Book store?
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Soi Buakhao, Soi Lankee, Soi Chayapoon, Soi X-cyte
[quote=daddy07;1464319]still confused about the directions. oasis is on soi buakhao.[/quote]daddy07: new [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s is on soi chayapoon. from the club oasis gg/soi buakhao, walk down chayapoon about 1/2 way and it's on the right-side. small place so look carefully or you'll miss it. open 12 noon to 12 midnight, same as bliss lounge.
for everyone's clarification:
- [url]www.pattayabarguide.com[/url]
as you're standing on soi buakaow (also spelled soi buakhao) looking at the club oasis agogo.
- the street running down the right is soi lankee (also spelled soi lengkee).
- street running down the left is soi chayapoon (on this street is canterbury tales bookstore / guesthouse, the new english rose guesthouse, the new [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url])
- street running down angled more left is soi x-cyte which will lead you to bliss lounge at the intersection of third road; bliss is next door to a 7-11.
(soi x-cyte is not depicted on the pattayabarguide. com map)
- triangle bar is at this intersection of soi chayapoon & soi x-cyte. from triangle bar if you go down soi x-cyte about 10 meters on the left is "thank you in love" massage open 12 noon to 12 midnight.
- if you've never been to the club oasis agogo / soi buakhao street, easiest way to find this area is to first get to "canterbury tales guesthouse" (it's a well-known farang / expat business) or "soi lk metro" which every local / taxi driver knows. from there you can work your way to any of the businesses above.
- happy mongering.
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[quote=amex spg; 1464345]daddy07: new [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s is on soi lankee (also spelled as soi lengkee) , about 1/2 way down the block. open 12 noon to 12 midnight, same as bliss lounge.
for everyone's clarification:
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[url]www.pattayabarguide.com[/url][/quote]from the map you provided that soi would be chayapoon not lengkee
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yes, new [CodeWord900] is on soi chayapoon
[quote=run mann;1464349]from the map you provided that soi would be chayapoon not lengkee[/quote]run mann: sorry about that typo. i corrected my original post but apparently not fast enough.
everyone: new [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] is on soi chayapoon.
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You are the master
[QUOTE=Sushilover808; 1464192]On my way home on Beach Road, I found two girls in their mid 20s.
At 3:37 soon after she left, I sent her a thank you text. At 7:55 am this morning, I received a text saying she wants to meet me after 9 pm tonight. Luv being in Patts! As always, phone number available on request.[/QUOTE]Great report, how many more days to go.
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[quote=amex spg; 1464352]run mann: sorry about that typo. i corrected my original post but apparently not fast enough.
everyone: new [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] is on soi chayapoon.[/quote]amex,
i could not edit or delete my report but no problem about the error as we all now know the location and that it is up and running, thanks to you.
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Sweet young thing
I met this girl in Pattaya last visit. She is a sweet kid, and was very good to me, a real 10/10 GFE. She now has problems with money, and has asked me to help. I've done what I can, but at the end of the day I guess she has to work for her money. If anyone is in Pattaya and fancies meeting her then PM me for her phone number. If you meet her and she is not your thing then please buy her dinner. She is 27 (28?) but looks much younger.
And please don't flame me for pimping...!
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[QUOTE=Sushilover808;1464192]Night 7 - Double Fun[/QUOTE]Lovin' your reports Sushilover808. Not sure how you keep up the stamina, but I love reading about your exploits.
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[quote]On my way home on Beach Road, I found two girls in their mid 20s who would go for 600 each. I haven't done a double in years so why not! [/quote]Wow! I'm jealous man. Great reports I'm planning a trip to Patts in November your reports are inspiring me more and more each day!
Great monger keep up the hard work LOL
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day 8. with [CodeWord901]'s directions in pictures
[quote=amex spg;1464352]everyone: new [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] is on soi chayapoon.[/quote]the streets are not labeled in any way that i can see so just look at the pictures:
1 of 7: club oasis, go behind it to the street on the left.
2 of 7: find triangle bar, go to the street to the right of it.
3 of 7: see that red sign on the right? that's [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s!
4 of 7: [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s looks like this!
5 of 7: massage shops that offer extra services just before [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s.
6 of 7: street to the left of triangle bar.
7 of 7: thank you in love massage a short way down that street on the left.
imho, there are much better choices than [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s. see below for my choice and recommendation.
around noon, i went to aree massage in picture 5 of 7 because a really beautiful girl was calling me in for 200 baht oil massage. showered then went to massage room separated by curtains. she claimed she was 22 with no sign of having children. she asked 1000 baht for full service. i declined. she did my back then when i turned over she was totally naked. really beautiful body but regrettably no pictures. she offered hand job for 300 baht or bbbj for 400 baht or fs with condom for 500 baht or fs no condom for 600 baht. i will leave it to your imagination as to what my choice was but it was great! really great! obviously extra service prices will vary dependant on your service provider.
warning: i strongly suggest that you go in to these places with exact change so you don't get the "i don't have change" or "give me tip" excuses. if you don't have change for your 1000 baht bill, buy some 10 baht gum at 7-11. trust me, you will thank me later.
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Really?
[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48; 1464237]To Sushi,
I have a hard time finding the new place is much smaller than the old one only 4 ugly girl 600 bht for BJ walk out and head to Bliss Lounge on Pattaya 3 Road pick kit pretty small girl 700bht for a BBBJ no FS here very busy with 8 girl avalible.
Fast Eddie 48[/QUOTE]Very busy at Bliss? That's a surprise to me. It was empty when we went to Bliss. I'm glad you had a nice time.
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Happy to help!
[QUOTE=Mouse1; 1464465]I met this girl in Pattaya last visit. She is a sweet kid, and was very good to me, a real 10/10 GFE. She now has problems with money, and has asked me to help. I've done what I can, but at the end of the day I guess she has to work for her money. If anyone is in Pattaya and fancies meeting her then PM me for her phone number. If you meet her and she is not your thing then please buy her dinner. She is 27 (28?) but looks much younger.
And please don't flame me for pimping![/QUOTE]We ALL have to work for our money so can you give us an idea of services provided and prices? Does she do anal? Please PM her name & number to me. Thanks!
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Blonde Double Fun Girl from report 13362
Will someone please call her and fuck her brains out? She has been calling me all day & all night! She is a good service provider.
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Obviously.
[QUOTE=Kumbu;1464540]Lovin' your reports Sushilover808. Not sure how you keep up the stamina, but I love reading about your exploits.[/QUOTE]Obviously. Red Bull!
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Are you sharing?
[QUOTE=Popper1;1464241]Three nights ago found a gal. She was walking into Walking Street disco, and immediately agreed to 500 baht. She just arrived Pattaya and spoke nearly zero English. It was an all anal session. She was good looking. Not great. 32 years old, one kid, and just so into butt sex. Suspect regular sex would bore her. Gave her a 200 baht tip and have her number for later.[/QUOTE]Will take All Anal's name & number if you are sharing. Please PM. Thank you.
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Problem solved!
[QUOTE=Sushilover808;1464601]Will someone please call her and fuck her brains out? She has been calling me all day & all night! She is a good service provider.[/QUOTE]Blonde Double Fun Girl from report 13362 called at 4:28 AM & 5:39 AM from a different number. Total 18 calls! I told her I only look for girl that can fuck ass. I'm pretty sure she will not call back again. Should have thought of the solution earlier!
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Relax your arse girls. I'm leaving soon.
[QUOTE=CorporateMalaya;1464357]Great report, how many more days to go.[/QUOTE]Last night. I'm going to make it memorable!
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[quote=sushilover808;1464580]imho, there are much better choices than [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s. see below for my choice and recommendation.[/quote]excellent info, sushi. i'm looking forward to trying all those spots. great prices for services, and great alternative to walking street.
too bad you're leaving pattaya soon as i would have liked to meet you but i'm sure you'll be back so i'll see you next time.
regards,
daddy
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Great Stuff
sushi.
fantastic info about places for the monger in the budget. i'll try to use all your recommendations in my next visit to the candy_city.
keep coming. really enjoying your reports.
razor.
[quote=sushilover808; 1464580]the streets are not labeled in any way that i can see so just look at the pictures:
1 of 7: club oasis, go behind it to the street on the left.
2 of 7: find triangle bar, go to the street to the right of it.
3 of 7: see that red sign on the right? that's [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s!
4 of 7: [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s looks like this!
5 of 7: massage shops that offer extra services just before [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s.
6 of 7: street to the left of triangle bar.
7 of 7: thank you in love massage a short way down that street on the left.
imho, there are much better choices than [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s. see below for my choice and recommendation.
around noon, i went to aree massage in picture 5 of 7 because a really beautiful girl was calling me in for 200 baht oil massage. showered then went to massage room separated by curtains. she claimed she was 22 with no sign of having children. she asked 1000 baht for full service. i declined. she did my back then when i turned over she was totally naked. really beautiful body but regrettably no pictures. she offered hand job for 300 baht or bbbj for 400 baht or fs with condom for 500 baht or fs no condom for 600 baht. i will leave it to your imagination as to what my choice was but it was great! really great! obviously extra service prices will vary dependant on your service provider.
warning: i strongly suggest that you go in to these places with exact change so you don't get the "i don't have change" or "give me tip" excuses. if you don't have change for your 1000 baht bill, buy some 10 baht gum at 7-11. trust me, you will thank me later.[/quote]
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[QUOTE=Sushilover808;1464601]Will someone please call her and fuck her brains out? She has been calling me all day & all night! She is a good service provider.[/QUOTE]Yeah, but it seems stalking is part of the payment plan.
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[QUOTE=Naked Gunz;1464672]Yeah, but it seems stalking is part of the payment plan.[/QUOTE]Desperate chicks give good sex. Any thoughts. LOL.
Sushi was prolly her only customer this month. LOL. Rent is coming due!
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Carpe diem!
[QUOTE=Daddy07; 1464629]Excellent info, Sushi. I'm looking forward to trying all those spots. Great prices for services, and great alternative to Walking Street.
Too bad you're leaving Pattaya soon as I would have liked to meet you but I'm sure you'll be back so I'll see you next time.
Regards,
Daddy[/QUOTE]Every trip is always my last trip. I not dying or anything, I just think I should get more serious with my life.
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Very funny!
[QUOTE=Naked Gunz;1464672]Yeah, but it seems stalking is part of the payment plan.[/QUOTE]Seriously, she hasn't called since I told her I'm looking for ass fuck girl.
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Early bird
[QUOTE=Sushilover808;1464586]Very busy at Bliss? That's a surprise to me. It was empty when we went to Bliss. I'm glad you had a nice time.[/QUOTE]To Sushi
I when there at 4pm already 4 girl is with customer and 8 girl avalible didn't see anyone I want so I got a drink and wait, I like to go to BJ bar early if you go late after the girl already have 5 customer the service is so so.
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Blonde
[QUOTE=Sushilover808;1464601]Will someone please call her and fuck her brains out? She has been calling me all day & all night! She is a good service provider.[/QUOTE]To Sushi.
I think she keep calling you because she cannot find another customer that will take her.
Fast Eddie 48
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Yes!
[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48; 1464729]To Sushi.
I think she keep calling you because she cannot find another customer that will take her.
Fast Eddie 48[/QUOTE]I agree! Great ANALysis!
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S808,
I'm always looking for a good strong naked bun massage before the deed. How was the oil massage?
LBM
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I ran into the same thing
[QUOTE=Sushilover808;1462482]On walking to change money, I met a girl who was recruiting for a time-share presentation. I know this is a sex forum so please disregard this one paragraph that I will write about this event if you are offended. She said she makes 1000 baht if I go in for the 60 minute presentation. She paid for the 10 minute taxi ride to the resort that is affiliated with the Tai Pan Hotel in BKK. The presentation took only about 30 minutes and the offer is for $1200 you get 2 free weeks stay at a resort in their group to use in 2 years plus unlimited stays at resorts worldwide for $99 per week in Asia or $179 per week in USA. It seemed like a great deal but I declined and was given a pretty nice pair of sunglasses and a voucher to stay up to a week at the Tai Pan hotel in BKK for 800 baht taxes only per night including free wi-fi and buffet breakfast. I actually attended this presentation two years ago & used the certificate last year to stay at Tai Pan BKK when the regular rate was over 3000 baht per night as it is next door to Soi Cowboy. A private car took me back to my hotel and later I saw the girl & she thanked me because she received her 1000 baht. The whole thing took about 1 1/2 hours. I am in no way endorsing this presentation, it is simply a report of what I did and how it benefited me.[/QUOTE]Wow, I wish I read this sooner. I fell for the exact same thing today and also won the same prizes. The difference was, I was approached by three ladyboys. My luck isn't as good as yours, Sushi.
Thanks to this post, I know how to take advantage of this waste of 1. 5 hours.
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I'll write about my airport-to-Pattaya experience later. But first, I wanted to post about the juicy stuff.
I went down Beach Road to scope out the talent first. Many members say that there aren't many good looking girls, and I agree; however, one girl caught my eye: Non. She had a great smile, really adorable, and we could communicate. Other girls around there had their arms crossed, looking like they were in a bitchy mood. I hate girls like that.
She quoted 1000, but eventually settled for 700 ST. Up in the room was where things got interesting. I can imagine that for most members here, what she did next would be a definite turm off; however, it was the *exact opposite for me.
She was 22, 150cm, pretty slim (49kg) and I could tell she was pretty new at this; her body language said it all. On the way to the hotel, she looked a little hesitant, but said she wanted to do it. We teased each other so much on the way there; just good chemistry! She was being sassy but fun.
In the room, we showered and then she was adamant about giving a CBJ. Wow, I almost asked her to leave, but she was cute as a button, so I gave it a shot. Then, she wanted to turn off the lights. *She was shy, she said. Gah! Well, fine, I did it anyway, and then tried to fool around, but ended up hitting our heads and just weren't getting anywhere. I was like,"See! I told you it'd be difficult," and socked her in the arm (gently of course).
We turned on the bathroom light just to give the room a little light, I put on my condom, and she proceed to give me a CBJ. Big mistake. Apparently, the condoms I bought tasted like bitter shit. HAHA. She ran in the bathroom and spent the next 3 minutes washing her mouth; she was nearly in tears. I was laughing so hard, but I also lost my own hard really quick.
I washed my condom, showed her my lube, and she applied it. She started slapping me with the lube because I was making fun of her and as punishment for my condom tasting so bad. That turned into a lube-slapping war on the bed. We giggled and wrestled. By the time we were done, about 1/8 of the bottle was used up and we were both pretty oiled up.
I laid on the bed while she strattled me. OMG, she was tight. I'm not big or long by any means, but about only half of my little one went in before I could really feel the pressure of her pussy. She needed more lube to fully insert it in. Once inside, she rode me cowgirl style for about 30 seconds before she collapsed onto my chest. She couldn't take it. I went slowly while kissing her. With every thrust, her body slid smoothly over mine due to the lube fight we had earlier. It felt amazing.
Once things heated up again, she sat back up again and I could see her perky, B-cup breasts. I sat up and caressed them while she thrusted her pelvis against mine. I leaned her back a bit while I kissed her neck & chest.
She gave out slight moans when I glided my lips around her body. She'd give me a light moan whenever I hit a nice spot. She pushed me back down onto the bed (damn!) and did all of the work from above. With her arms planted on the bed, directly next my head, she bounced up and down while I admired her breasts inches away from my face.
We showered together, cleaned up, and I sent her off. It was a rocky start, but ended really well. I wish I would've taken a picture of her, but totally forgot. In the end, I felt like I was being bossed around a bit, but her attitude was anything but sour.
So far, my Beach Road experience has been pretty good.
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All good!
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1464818]S808,
I'm always looking for a good strong naked bun massage before the deed. How was the oil massage?
LBM[/QUOTE]There was actually a lot of that but personally, I did not find it so exciting. I think you can always ask for any massage and the girls are willing to satisfy.
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[QUOTE=Sushilover808;1464686]Every trip is always my last trip. I not dying or anything, I just think I should get more serious with my life.[/QUOTE]Have you been watching Dr. Phil or something? Life is to be enjoyed. And if you are enjoying it why change it?
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Meetup tonight?
[QUOTE=Daddy07; 1464629]Excellent info, Sushi. I'm looking forward to trying all those spots. Great prices for services, and great alternative to Walking Street.
Too bad you're leaving Pattaya soon as I would have liked to meet you but I'm sure you'll be back so I'll see you next time.
Regards,
Daddy[/QUOTE]Daddy07 & any other members that are in town,
How about meeting at Peppermint Go-Go on Walking Street from 830 to 930 tonight for their happy hour. AMEX says there are 70 baht drink specials. Anyplace is fine. Feel free to text me at 092 682 0131. I don't mind posting my phone number because I'm leaving tomorrow so it will be dead after tomorrow. I'll be wearing a light green dri-fit shirt & black shorts.
Hope to see you!
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She just called again.
[QUOTE=Sushilover808;1464695]Seriously, she hasn't called since I told her I'm looking for ass fuck girl.[/QUOTE]To tell me that she found an ass fuck chick for me. She promised that she is young & beautiful. I told her that I will message later to meet on Beach Road. I love it when they do my shopping for me!
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[QUOTE=Sushilover808;1464851]There was actually a lot of that but personally, I did not find it so exciting. I think you can always ask for any massage and the girls are willing to satisfy.[/QUOTE]That is good to know but not all girls giving massages what to give one. It is hard work. To give a good strong oil massage as if it was all the customer wants. I normally go no less that two hours and I tell them I'm tired? Most of them the ones I had go through the motion because they really only want the extra's? I like to be pamper, tease alittle, and when they tell me to turn over it is rise and shine time.
Thanks,
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2 reports: a freebie and Bliss Lounge
2 quick reports:
A Freebie (really). A fun bar is the Walking Street Bar, just inside walking street with the red car hanging from the wall. Just inside is two pool tables for open "challenge" play. The rest is a bar / disco kind of like Insomnia. One night last week I was playing pool and hanging out. Chatted with a girl I've seen there a few times but never met. She is maybe 25, good looking but not stunning. Since we were both alone we hung out, played pool, etc. We got along well. We seemed to be ready go leave at the same time, so I asked her if she would like to go with me. No hesitation. She followed me (we each had motorbikes) to my condo. It was very late so we just slept and then in the morning boom / boomed. Then we went for a swim and out for breakfast. Upon returning to the condo I laid down on the sofa and for some reason fell asleep. I awoke just in time to see her finishing cleaning my Condo. It was Immaculate. I had a number of errands to do that day. I could see she wanted to spend the day with me, but I suggested it was going to be a very boring day so she went back to her home in Jomtien.
Bliss: I recommend "Nong" at Bliss. She is not bad looking, maybe a 6 overall. Great technique. No hands required to get me off. I always take a thorough shower at Bliss before going to the room. With this extra cleanliness, Nong has no problem spending a long time licking and sucking my balls as a warm-up which I really like. Basic at Bliss is Bt700. I just give Nong the change as a tip so for me it is 1000 total. Maybe that is a bit much for just 15 minutes or so, but it is a really nice way to get off, and a real pleasure to get a BJ now and then by a girl who knows what she's doing.
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[QUOTE=Slackerslacker; 1464913]2 quick reports:
A Freebie (really). A fun bar is the Walking Street Bar, just inside walking street with the red car hanging from the wall. Just inside is two pool tables for open "challenge" play. .[/QUOTE]That seems like a real freebie indeed. No mind games, no endless courting and invitations to dinners, movies, a bit of shopping, etc. Part of it can be nice, of course, but ending up dearer than a P4P.
Doesn't seem the case this time. Good for you, then.
I am still always puzzled about what these girls do in life. I am not assuming that any girl going to a disco, alone or with friends is a hooker in disguise. I met a few going ou to have a good time and being "good girls".
But in that case they have a job, an occupation.
How do they handle this with an extended night out as it was your case, ie willing to spend the daytime with you?
All in holiday or in a day off? Few jobs generate days off during the weekdays, indeed.
Still I am truly curious on what they do in life.
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Her life
[QUOTE=BionicMan; 1465142]That seems like a real freebie indeed. No mind games, no endless courting and invitations to dinners, movies, a bit of shopping, etc. Part of it can be nice, of course, but ending up dearer than a P4P.
Still I am truly curious on what they do in life.[/QUOTE]This particular girl has a good situation so that made the whole thing very pleasant, she wasn't in the hunt.
She is a contract worker in Europe. From what she described, she makes really good money, and her company treats her well too.
She's only back in Thailand for about a month while she processes her next work Visa.
First thing she did upon arriving in Thailand was buy one of those brand new Honda Clicks which she will give to her sister when she goes returns to Europe.
She basically has her shit together makmak. No smoking, no alcohol, good attitude.
Nice to see a success story as rare as they are.
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An alternative suggestion
[QUOTE=BionicMan; 1465142]That seems like a real freebie indeed. No mind games, no endless courting and invitations to dinners, movies, a bit of shopping, etc. Part of it can be nice, of course, but ending up dearer than a P4P.
Doesn't seem the case this time. Good for you, then.
But in that case they have a job, an occupation.
All in holiday or in a day off? Few jobs generate days off during the weekdays, indeed.
Still I am truly curious on what they do in life.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Slackerslacker; 1465277]This particular girl has a good situation so that made the whole thing very pleasant, she wasn't in the hunt.
She is a contract worker in Europe. From what she described, she makes really good money, and her company treats her well too.
She's only back in Thailand for about a month while she processes her next work Visa.
First thing she did upon arriving in Thailand was buy one of those brand new Honda Clicks which she will give to her sister when she goes returns to Europe.
She basically has her shit together makmak. No smoking, no alcohol, good attitude.
Nice to see a success story as rare as they are.[/QUOTE]Or maybe and more simply a sitting-duck and wealthy farang who sponsors her from Europe :D
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[QUOTE=Slackerslacker; 1451998]Here's what's wrong you idiot:
You are getting a one hour massage for 3 fucking dollars! The lady is getting about 50bt of that.
You are getting a massage for almost fucking free!
Anyone who doesn't have their head up their ass knows that these prices are low to attract customers and that the lady is most certainly relying on the tips as her primary income.[/QUOTE]Is it the same guy who was telling us that we need to give massage parlor women more money running around talking about he is fucking chicks for free now? As much as I would like to agree with PunterWanderer right about now, I can't. I have met plenty of non-pro women in the discos that I have fucked. But somehow I bet that if I or someone else reported that they fucked a chick for free previously, then "some idiot" in the post quoted above would rant on about how he cheated the girl and should have given them money.
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[QUOTE=Sushilover808;1464615]Last night. I'm going to make it memorable![/QUOTE]Looking forward for your last report!
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[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1465436]Is it the same guy who was telling us that we need to give massage parlor women more money running around talking about he is fucking chicks for free now? As much as I would like to agree with PunterWanderer right about now, I can't. I have met plenty of non-pro women in the discos that I have fucked. But somehow I bet that if I or someone else reported that they fucked a chick for free previously, then "some idiot" in the post quoted above would rant on about how he cheated the girl and should have given them money.[/QUOTE]At least he could have paid her for cleaning his dirty condo?
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To Pay or Not
While the subject it out there, I'd be curious to know guys opinions on how to differentiate from a freebie and a working girl too shy to asks for money. When I meet girls away from prostitution areas I never pay unless they bring it up in a respectable manner. Club girls and street pick ups in prostitution areas is where it gets tricky for me. In these areas. 95% of the time I pay even when money is not mentioned unless there seems like a real genuine interest in me which is rare. I'd like to flatter myself into thinking girls want to have one night stands with me for my dick but as much as it happens, that's probably never the case. Probably others who fuck me in hopes that I will be a free spender but when I'm not they move on. It's tricky and I haven't got it quite figured out yet.
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Yes
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1465436]Is it the same guy who was telling us that we need to give massage parlor women more money running around talking about he is fucking chicks for free now? As much as I would like to agree with PunterWanderer right about now, I can't. I have met plenty of non-pro women in the discos that I have fucked. But somehow I bet that if I or someone else reported that they fucked a chick for free previously, then "some idiot" in the post quoted above would rant on about how he cheated the girl and should have given them money.[/QUOTE]If you think bt20 is an adequate tip to a thai lady who massages your feet for one hour, I am comfortable with my opinion about your intelligence.
Also, I'm not running around, I'm sitting, and I'm not reporting about chicks, I am reporting about one lady, one instance.
The reason I made this report is that there are sometimes (on this forum) inquiries about "freebies" but almost never reports.
There are probably a few people who will find it interesting.
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[QUOTE=NeverJerkOff;1465583]a working girl too shy to asks for money.[/QUOTE]Even if it isn't discussed in advance, I would think any working girl would ask for money if a guy doesn't volunteer it. If not, she doesn't really meet the definition of "working girl". I've found, in Pattaya at least, that working girl freelancers treat it very much like a job / business. In conversations with them they usually (without shame) refer to "customers", and "go to work tonight", etc. And frequently refer to their job as "sell pussy".
I understand that there are many girls who have a primary job (say office, restaurant, etc.) who supplement that by freelancing, but I would described them as "working girls" as they are selling sex for money. However, a girl who goes out primarily to meet a guy, or have fun, or possibly find a boyfriend is no different than a similar girl anywhere in the world.
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Despite what mant punters in the Thailand and PI thread think, a working girl will never be shy to ask for money. Ways to know:
1. Ask her what she does. She will say I go with man for money if she is working.
2. When you ask her to come back to your place, she will say how much you give me?
3. If money isn't brought up you can wait until it is time for her to go home the next day. If she is dressed and just sits on the end of the bed like she is waiting, then she is waiting for you to pay her. Give her 1000 baht and a hug and tell her to be safe.
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[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1465805]2. When you ask her to come back to your place, she will say how much you give me?[/QUOTE]Many girls won't ask this this, they will just say their price up front.
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Pattaya Prostate Massage
Has anyone checked out Pattaya Prostate Massage. Seems she moved to Jomtien from Thepprasit Soi8. Meant to go last high season, maybe try this year.
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Freebies vs working girls
[QUOTE=NeverJerkOff;1465583]While the subject it out there, I'd be curious to know guys opinions on how to differentiate from a freebie and a working girl too shy to asks for money. When I meet girls away from prostitution areas I never pay unless they bring it up in a respectable manner. Club girls and street pick ups in prostitution areas is where it gets tricky for me. In these areas. 95% of the time I pay even when money is not mentioned unless there seems like a real genuine interest in me which is rare. I'd like to flatter myself into thinking girls want to have one night stands with me for my dick but as much as it happens, that's probably never the case. Probably others who fuck me in hopes that I will be a free spender but when I'm not they move on. It's tricky and I haven't got it quite figured out yet.[/QUOTE]Wow, the topic freebies vs p4p seems to be a sort of eternal debate. As for me, I had already written something here on ISG. Since I'm lazy, I just report what I wrote previously. It's not very nice to quote oneself, but nothing has changed in the meantime:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1075-What-Country-has-the-Best-Women-for-STR&p=1412164&viewfull=1#post1412164[/url]
[QUOTE=PunterWanderer; 1412164][url]Http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?661-Paris&p=1411132&viewfull=1#post1411132[/url]
For the question freebie / P4P in LOS. I honestly think that beside gogo, massage parlors and beer bars, the 90% of the so called 'freebie' who go with the farangs basically are freelance / semi-pro, so they go for money and making up their incomes. It always the same story, with receptionists, female university students, shop assistants or waitresses. Maybe sometimes you can find the girl a bit more shy, or who doesn't ask you directly the severance tax, but I usually left the due in order to avoid misunderstandings, more take care and to become a sponsor. Sooner or later a sick relative or a family disgrace always happen.
Since BKK is a great megalopolis the freebie may happen more often, but the more touristic is a place, the more P4P you find, such as in Phuket, Koh Samui, not to mention Pattaya, a city built for mongers, where is mathematically impossible the freebie.[/QUOTE]About "freebies". Let me add just another case history: the girl who'd rather have two birds in the bush than just one in the hand. In other words, the girl who aims for future sponsorships rather than an immediate severance tax for the service. These girls can be funded by a farang and at the same time sell out themselves with others. Or also be fu***d "freebie". How many people who send money to their sweetheart 10.000 km away!
But I can agree that many times the situations are much more ambiguous compared to what I wrote, and the line between a "freebie" and a girl who makes up her wages it's not so clear. And that's one of the reasons for which I still prefer go-go girls or carry on with the session with some masseuse with whom I feel comfortable. I don't think to throw a monkey wrench onto the works for other mongers, by giving always the cash on delivery to girl the next morning (I mean, I don't think to damage other mongers or f**k the prices up in this way)
Of course, these are just my 2 cents based on my personal experience, I don't want to be argumentative nor deny other experiences of other users, especially if residents (and I'm not one of them, of course).
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[QUOTE=Slackerslacker;1465697]If you think bt20 is an adequate tip to a thai lady who massages your feet for one hour, I am comfortable with my opinion about your intelligence.[/QUOTE]20 Baht tip isn't that bad for Thailand. Thailand does not have a tipping culture (for locals). In the US that tip would be an insult, but this is Thailand.
Thailand just raised the minimum wage to 300 Baht per day. Many Thai businesses are complaining about it.
I'm guessing the massuse would make, assuming 5 customers per day, 5 x (50 + 20) = 350 Baht. For Thailand, it isn't that bad.
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[QUOTE=Slackerslacker;1465277]This particular girl has a good situation so that made the whole thing very pleasant, she wasn't in the hunt.She is a contract worker in Europe. From what she described, she makes really good money, and her company treats her well too.She's only back in Thailand for about a month while she processes her next work Visa.[/QUOTE]Got it. Sort of holiday time so, hence the abundance of free time to spend they way she likes and feels.
Makes sense. Otherwise it'd a bit strange how somebody can live and dispose of so much free time without earning.
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Tips
[QUOTE=GreenBud; 1466018]20 Baht tip isn't that bad for Thailand. Thailand does not have a tipping culture (for locals). In the US that tip would be an insult, but this is Thailand.
Thailand just raised the minimum wage to 300 Baht per day. Many Thai businesses are complaining about it.
I'm guessing the massuse would make, assuming 5 customers per day. 5 x (50 + 20) = 350 Baht. For Thailand, it isn't that bad.[/QUOTE]First, you can throw that "tipping culture" bullshit out the window. No, it is not normal to tip all service workers the way it often happens in the west, but these massage ladies are most definitely reliant on the tips to make any kind of living.
My main massage lady is a single mother with a 10 year-old daughter.
If she earns 350 / day for 30 days that equals bt10, 500. (That's with no days off. Actually, she only works 6 days / week so her monthly earnings would be only about bt9000 at that rate).
She's at the shop 10-12 hours each day. She has almost no free personal time.
Her rent / electric / water are probably at least 5000. Her food (for 2) , petrol, motorbike, clothing, etc. Are probably another 5000.
So, after paying for their basic survival, she is left with basically no money at the end of the month, so NO. 350 / day is not good for Thailand.
If you go back and read the original argument I had with Mr. E, we were specifically talking about the shops where the basic massage cost is only bt100! So already you are getting a 50% discount compared to many of the shops which go for bt200 base price.
Consider this again: a one hour foot massage for US$3. 00. Are you kidding me?
If you can't treat these wonderful ladies better than a bt20 tip, then you can go straight to hell.
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[QUOTE=Slackerslacker;1466095]So, after paying for their basic survival, she is left with basically no money at the end of the month, so NO. 350 / day is not good for Thailand.[/QUOTE]I agree. 350 Baht per day is "not good". I said "it isn't that bad". Many Thais are willing to work for less than that.
Yes, poverty sucks.
That is why there are many Thais working on Beach Road to support their children. It's good to know you don't take advantage of them.
[QUOTE=Slackerslacker;1466095]then you can go straight to hell.[/QUOTE]You may be right. :(
I like to come and take advantage of the poverty.
I pay between 750 to 2750 Baht for working girls, and 40 Baht tips for non-working girls (40 Baht tip for a 250 massage).
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Bottle Service at Insomnia
My birthday is coming up, and based on my current plans will be celebrated in Pattaya. Required some input on the bottle service pricing at Insomnia, common things like Vodka and Whiskey. Read on the PA site, that it is cheaper with the I-rewards card. Are we allowed to stow the unfinished bottles for a later outing.
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[QUOTE=GreenBud;1466105]I agree. 350 Baht per day is "not good".[/QUOTE]Don't want to enter the tipping war but what's missing here is that massage girls also pull good money from the extra services they provide. Go in for a foot massage and see how long it takes for the oil massage up-sell to begin. These girls make a lot more than 10, 000b per month, some of them are being sponsored but still work in the MP because they want to make more money. Others will strategically use the buffalo story ploy hoping customers will become overly generous and many do. In the end you can keep debate tips till the end of the world, the irony is that some of these girls are better off than many of the customers they service.
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[QUOTE=Slackerslacker; 1466095]Her rent / electric / water are probably at least 5000. Her food (for 2) , petrol, motorbike, clothing, etc. Are probably another 5000.
So, after paying for their basic survival, she is left with basically no money at the end of the month, so NO. 350 / day is not good for Thailand.[/QUOTE]You're probably overestimating the costs. But its true that nowadays 350 / day is quite a low income, since the legal minimum wage in many parts of Thailand is now 300 / day. My friends who employ lots of people say that 500 / day is normally the least you can get away with paying for people with any skills at all.
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[QUOTE=CorporateMalaya;1466125]My birthday is coming up, and based on my current plans will be celebrated in Pattaya. Required some input on the bottle service pricing at Insomnia, common things like Vodka and Whiskey. Read on the PA site, that it is cheaper with the I-rewards card. Are we allowed to stow the unfinished bottles for a later outing.[/QUOTE]It depends on which brand it is. I'm a Sang Som man so 1000 baht for me. Absolut and Remy will run you up to 3000. They charge extra for ice and chaser. I have seen some places charge 400 baht for 2 liters of Cola. You can stow it there or take it with you if you don't finish it.
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[QUOTE=GreenBud;1466018]Thailand does not have a tipping culture (for locals).[/QUOTE]Nonsense. Most Thais I know are more generous with tips than the average Pattaya khii nok expat.
As far as massages go, the gf went in for one the other day and on a bill of B200 tipped B60. 'I was going to give her B40 but she was really good, ' she said. Sounds about right to me. B20 these days would definitely feel cheap. But of course, as they say, it's up to you.
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Are you sure
[QUOTE=Betong; 1466180]Nonsense. Most Thais I know are more generous with tips than the average Pattaya khii nok expat.
As far as massages go, the gf went in for one the other day and on a bill of B200 tipped B60. 'I was going to give her B40 but she was really good, ' she said. Sounds about right to me. B20 these days would definitely feel cheap. But of course, as they say, it's up to you.[/QUOTE]There again Thai's are more into making face then most visitors or ex pats, face is everything.
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[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1465805]Despite what mant punters in the Thailand and PI thread think, a working girl will never be shy to ask for money. Ways to know:
1. Ask her what she does. She will say I go with man for money if she is working.
2. When you ask her to come back to your place, she will say how much you give me?
3. If money isn't brought up you can wait until it is time for her to go home the next day. If she is dressed and just sits on the end of the bed like she is waiting, then she is waiting for you to pay her. Give her 1000 baht and a hug and tell her to be safe.[/QUOTE]Maybe shy wasn't the best word and I'm going take your experience over mine but I don't think most guys realize how super submissive most Thai girls are and how tricky it can get. Can't tell you how many I've picked up cold in and out of prostitution areas and fucked within the hour but what makes it bizarre is some don't even crack a smile and seem to be very disinterested in me. Am I the only one to fuck a girl who looked totally unhappy from start to finish but no mention of money? It's like in the West a girl might not like you but give you a flirty conversation. I feel like a girl here could not like you but have sex with you. I just take charge, get them to my room and we fuck. Many then leave with no desire to see me again, regardless of the sex was great, not like it's horrible but puzzling. Now If I pursue it again some would and the girls into me are obviously easier to navigate but it's odd.
So we are going with these laws folks. Do not pay a girl unless she asks for money or looks like she is waiting for money? I followed that rule but also paid girls in prostitution areas that looked like they had no interest in me. I'm going to stop doing this and now only pay them if they ask me for money. Also, sometimes you can agree to a price off the bat with a girl and things go so great it looks like she will leave afterwards without wanting money. There may have been a few times where I paid at the end and she may have just left without asking for money. Hopefully someone can translate that gibberish.
[QUOTE=PunterWanderer;1412164]the 90% of the so called 'freebie' who go with the farangs basically are freelance / semi-pro, so they go for money and making up their incomes.[/QUOTE]On the other hand I agree with this but have to stop being such a nice guy. It's really a weakness. They will have to be more forthcoming and see myself getting cheaper and cheaper the longer I am here disconnecting with the way I did things in the West.
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[QUOTE=Col Law;1466189]There again Thai's are more into making face then most visitors or ex pats, face is everything.[/QUOTE]Ah don't get me started. Yes, there is a certain concept of face in Thai culture, but it is by no means as all-powerful as most non-Thais seem to imagine (and it also isn't as different from Western equivalents such as 'pride', 'macho', etc as they might think). If you want an organizing principle for Thai society, look into 'kreng jai'. It's more subtle and complex than saving or losing face, and it contributes to good things in Thailand as well as not-so-good ones.
Sure there are situations where Thais tip to show off (at fancy clubs for example) , but generally if you ask them why they left a tip it's because they sympathize with the person they're tipping. I've heard it a hundred times from Thai friends: 'He / she works so hard and gets paid so little'.
Sorry for the sociology in a forum that's supposed to be devoted to Pattaya, but I think we should dispel for once and for all the idea that Thais are cheap and ungenerous and therefore we can be too. It just isn't true.
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[QUOTE=Betong; 1466180]Nonsense. Most Thais I know are more generous with tips than the average Pattaya khii nok expat.
As far as massages go, the gf went in for one the other day and on a bill of B200 tipped B60. 'I was going to give her B40 but she was really good, ' she said. Sounds about right to me. B20 these days would definitely feel cheap. But of course, as they say, it's up to you.[/QUOTE]
Yeah but let's face it but (no offense) a farang's girlfriend in Pattaya is not a normal Thai person. 'Respectable' Thais (I work with them) either tip nothing or maybe tip 20 baht at the very most.
Tipping in Thailand is 'disdaining to pick up the coins', not a conscious decision to benefit the worker. That said, there are lots of exceptions depending on context, particularly as Thai society is sadly dissolving in the maelstrom of globalization. But the general cultural rule that is 'Thai' is still as it was before the bad times - no tipping.
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Tipping
[QUOTE=Opebo; 1466745]Yeah but let's face it but (no offense) a farang's girlfriend in Pattaya is not a normal Thai person. 'Respectable' Thais (I work with them) either tip nothing or maybe tip 20 baht at the very most.
Tipping in Thailand is 'disdaining to pick up the coins', not a conscious decision to benefit the worker. That said, there are lots of exceptions depending on context, particularly as Thai society is sadly dissolving in the maelstrom of globalization. But the general cultural rule that is 'Thai' is still as it was before the bad times. No tipping.[/QUOTE]I agree with Opebo 100% about this. I've lived in Thailand, and this is what I observed as well. It goes double once you get out of the tourist areas.
However, the world over, people in the service industry tend to tip more than people who've not been in the industry. Basically, they know what it feels like to get a good tip so they want to pass that on.
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[QUOTE=Opebo;1466745]Yeah but let's face it but (no offense) a farang's girlfriend in Pattaya is not a normal Thai person.[/QUOTE]No offense taken. But we're 1000km from Pattaya and she's just an ordinary middle-class Thai woman who knows exactly one farang (me) and is way too stubborn to have changed anything because of it. No doubt there are plenty of poorer Thais who couldn't afford to tip even if they wanted. But most of my Thai friends are college-educated middle class, and believe me, they do tip. And that's what I am, so I do too.
Tip a lot, a little or nothing at all here, nobody cares nearly as much as in the West.
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Tip in Pattaya
[QUOTE=Betong; 1467087]No offense taken. But we're 1000km from Pattaya and she's just an ordinary middle-class Thai woman who knows exactly one farang (me) and is way too stubborn to have changed anything because of it. No doubt there are plenty of poorer Thais who couldn't afford to tip even if they wanted. But most of my Thai friends are college-educated middle class, and believe me, they do tip. And that's what I am, so I do too.
Tip a lot, a little or nothing at all here, nobody cares nearly as much as in the West.[/QUOTE]A last thought about this tipping thing:
Since this is the Pattaya section, I assume we are talking about Pattaya massage ladies.
Keep in mind, these ladies are all living far from home. They all must pay rent, electric, and food costs at inflated prices. In fact, if they were doing massage in Issan, they would be likely be living rent-free in the family shack. In such a "local" environment, yes, the tipping situation would be different. The massage ladies come to Pattaya because that is where the farang money is. We should make some small effort to encourage these ladies to come and stay in Pattaya, and one way to do that is to make their jobs at least somewhat lucrative.
Despite Pattaya being a tourist area full of Thais looking to take our money, look at the situation:
You can get a professional Thai or foot massage for one hour for (at some locations) a mere 100baht. They are practically giving it away.
These ladies certainly deserve more than a bt20 tip.
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[QUOTE=Slackerslacker; 1467413]A last thought about this tipping thing:
Since this is the Pattaya section, I assume we are talking about Pattaya massage ladies.
Keep in mind, these ladies are all living far from home. They all must pay rent, electric, and food costs at inflated prices. In fact, if they were doing massage in Issan, they would be likely be living rent-free in the family shack. In such a "local" environment, yes, the tipping situation would be different. The massage ladies come to Pattaya because that is where the farang money is. We should make some small effort to encourage these ladies to come and stay in Pattaya, and one way to do that is to make their jobs at least somewhat lucrative.
Despite Pattaya being a tourist area full of Thais looking to take our money, look at the situation:
You can get a professional Thai or foot massage for one hour for (at some locations) a mere 100baht. They are practically giving it away.
These ladies certainly deserve more than a bt20 tip.[/QUOTE]Oops! You are making the tips mandatory and as well as the amount too. Whatever their back ground is, they came here for work and they know what they are getting from here. It happens upon the both parties mutual understanding. So far as I understand tips is a part of generosity not to be listed and printed in the menu to be placed in front of us.
Ar you like to go more deep? E. G. Their ethnic analysis?
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Percentage of the total price
[QUOTE=Slackerslacker; 1467413]A last thought about this tipping thing:
Since this is the Pattaya section, I assume we are talking about Pattaya massage ladies.
Keep in mind, these ladies are all living far from home. They all must pay rent, electric, and food costs at inflated prices. In fact, if they were doing massage in Issan, they would be likely be living rent-free in the family shack. In such a "local" environment, yes, the tipping situation would be different. The massage ladies come to Pattaya because that is where the farang money is. We should make some small effort to encourage these ladies to come and stay in Pattaya, and one way to do that is to make their jobs at least somewhat lucrative.
Despite Pattaya being a tourist area full of Thais looking to take our money, look at the situation:
You can get a professional Thai or foot massage for one hour for (at some locations) a mere 100baht. They are practically giving it away.
These ladies certainly deserve more than a bt20 tip.[/QUOTE]The cheaper the massage, the more the tip I give. As the price varies from 100 in the interior sois to 300 on the main roads. The cut the girls get I assume would be fixed and the rest for the house.
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Weather, end of Sept til first week of Oct,
[QUOTE=Mua Tur; 1467431]Oops! You are making the tips mandatory and as well as the amount too. Whatever their back ground is, they came here for work and they know what they are getting from here. It happens upon the both parties mutual understanding. So far as I understand tips is a part of generosity not to be listed and printed in the menu to be placed in front of us.
Ar you like to go more deep? E. G. Their ethnic analysis?[/QUOTE]Hi, if going to BKK.Pattaya for couple of weeks end of Sept.first week of Oct, should I let weather be a factor so much that I change plans. ? Please any info would be great, thanks, let me know how bad it rains this time of year.
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[QUOTE=RacShack;1467711]Hi, if going to BKK.Pattaya for couple of weeks end of Sept.first week of Oct, should I let weather be a factor so much that I change plans. ? Please any info would be great, thanks, let me know how bad it rains this time of year.[/QUOTE]According to the statistics that is still the rainy period and two years ago the whole of Thailand was almost flushed into the sea by torrential rains that started in August and stopped only in November. Last year however, it was OK.
You will probably see some rain every day but that should not stop you from coming here. There is always a bar or club you can hop in to shelter from the elements.
Long time forecasts (for what they are worth) at: [url]http://www.tmd.go.th/en[/url]
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[QUOTE=RacShack;1467711]Hi, if going to BKK.Pattaya for couple of weeks end of Sept.first week of Oct, should I let weather be a factor so much that I change plans. ? Please any info would be great, thanks, let me know how bad it rains this time of year.[/QUOTE]Not necessary to change your plan even it is rainy season. Everything is in business as usual they do round the year. If you are into picking girls from bars or clubs, rain can not stop you. Although no worry for the beach road girls too. Whenever rain stops, girls come back in business quickly. If you are lucky you may have a gem in easy bargaining (if she is pissed of for running off from raining).
Oh, if you are serious you can try for Tsunami forecast, if any. LOL. Once Thailand experienced with Tsunami effect too. But that was not the end of our beloved mongering world.
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Weather
[QUOTE=RacShack;1467711]Hi, if going to BKK.Pattaya for couple of weeks end of Sept.first week of Oct, should I let weather be a factor so much that I change plans. ? Please any info would be great, thanks, let me know how bad it rains this time of year.[/QUOTE]I was in Pattaya last year for 2 weeks end of Sept and 1st week in October I would not go again during that period it rained almost every day and the streets were flooded at times I'm planning my trip in November this year.
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Pattaya trip Aug last week: Cheating Lady
Guys,
My last trip was Pats & BKK, I spent 4 night in Pats & 1 in BKK. I was with our fellow monger and we had a blast each night. I never paid more than 1. 5 K for LT for the girls picked from insomnia. Insomnia is a nice place to pick the girls. If you have their member card, you will get additional discount. I was staying at Pasadena Lodge for the 4 nights, not a fantastic place to stay for 45 SGD. Me & Buddy started 9 pm everyday and roamed around beach road and visited almost all gogo s and bars.
I had picked 3 girls for the 3 nights and all of them were superb, they actually didn't want to leave me even after 3 pm. Same story for my friend too.
I am going to tell you about my last night in Pats; there are some stupid ladies they don't allow me to finish my mongering trip in 100 % success. .
In my last day, me and my buddy started early and went to "Bachelors" in Soi LK Metro, he picked a girl from there and I became alone. It was too boring, so around 11 I decided to go to Insomnia, had couple of drinks and waved with the music. Around 2 am I found a little cute girl, and we have agreed on 1. 5 k for LT. I am not going to explain too much but just briefing what was happened.
We went room and and had food, after bath she was asking me for the 1. 5 K upfront. I politely rejected then she told she want to go by 6 am in the morning. So I negotiated down to 10 am. She told Oral & Fuck will be with Condom only which I didn't have any problem. During our first fuck, unfortunately the Condom broke I realized it in 5-10 seconds and I pulled out and washed my cock asap. Then the girl changed her tone and yelling at me she want to go back with 1. 5 K. I resisted and agreed top pay 1 K. But she really wanted 1. 5 which I rejected. She threaten me by calling their people. I went down to the lobby but the guy at reception asked me to give money (I think he know her, because when she was handing over her I'd he refused to show it to me). When we were talking at lobby, two of the Motorbikes came and supported her. Finally I had no way so I paid the full amount.
She was super friendly when I met her.
Her Original Name: Mayuri Sita
Nick Name: Noi.
I need your advise (Please PM me) if we face the situation, what to do? It happened to me in Manila too. If they call police (they don't speak English) what will do if we are alone?
I was totally down with the issue and the last day I went to Devil's Den to get the rhythm back. Susi (Offered Anal) & Sasha sent me to the heaven. I did 3 shots in 1. 5 hours with swinger and finally cum in Sasha's mouth. Total paid 4 K including 200 each tip.
Thanks / G
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Weather in September
RacShack: It will rain every day but in most cases the rain usually only lasts for an hour. As Wolvenvacht stated, it can get much worse than that but it can also be much better. I normally visit Thailand in Sept and October and I think its a very good time to go. You'll avoid the crowds and save a few baht going this time of year.
I suggest you do not change your plans.
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Awesome thanks
[QUOTE=Allover; 1467977]RacShack: It will rain every day but in most cases the rain usually only lasts for an hour. As Wolvenvacht stated, it can get much worse than that but it can also be much better. I normally visit Thailand in Sept and October and I think its a very good time to go. You'll avoid the crowds and save a few baht going this time of year.
I suggest you do not change your plans.[/QUOTE]Does it put the beach and sun out all together or will I be able to still get sun inbetween the rain? Any thoughts on hotel in middle of everything thats girl frendly / thanks for your help.
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Don't be afraid
[QUOTE=Gajith; 1467942]Guys,
I am going to tell you about my last night in Pats; there are some stupid ladies they don't allow me to finish my mongering trip in 100 % success. .
In my last day, me and my buddy started early and went to "Bachelors" in Soi LK Metro, he picked a girl from there and I became alone. It was too boring, so around 11 I decided to go to Insomnia, had couple of drinks and waved with the music. Around 2 am I found a little cute girl, and we have agreed on 1. 5 k for LT. I am not going to explain too much but just briefing what was happened.
We went room and and had food, after bath she was asking me for the 1. 5 K upfront. I politely rejected then she told she want to go by 6 am in the morning. So I negotiated down to 10 am. She told Oral & Fuck will be with Condom only which I didn't have any problem. During our first fuck, unfortunately the Condom broke I realized it in 5-10 seconds and I pulled out and washed my cock asap. Then the girl changed her tone and yelling at me she want to go back with 1. 5 K. I resisted and agreed top pay 1 K. But she really wanted 1. 5 which I rejected. She threaten me by calling their people. I went down to the lobby but the guy at reception asked me to give money (I think he know her, because when she was handing over her I'd he refused to show it to me). When we were talking at lobby, two of the Motorbikes came and supported her. Finally I had no way so I paid the full amount.
She was super friendly when I met her.
Her Original Name: Mayuri Sita
Nick Name: Noi.
I need your advise (Please PM me) if we face the situation, what to do? It happened to me in Manila too. If they call police (they don't speak English) what will do if we are alone?
Thanks / G[/QUOTE]What counts is what you agreed upon with the girl beforehand. If the agreement was 1500 LT and she wants to leave after the first shot, then of course you can go down to 1000. In this case it happens that the girl starts threatening you (I will call my brother, the police etc.). From my experience, this is just bullshit. Don't take that seriously. Stay firm and very calm. If she starts hitting you, don't hit back, just protect yourself with a pillow or something. And in Thailand don't expect help from Thai people even if there is no doubt that your position is correct. They always stick together. This is totally different for instance from Brazil. Thais are nationalistics and xenophobic.
As long as the girl does not break anything in the room, the receptionist will be on her side and not on yours. It was a mistake to go down to the reception.
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Thais don't always side with Thais
[QUOTE=Pimpa; 1468097]What counts is what you agreed upon with the girl beforehand. If the agreement was 1500 LT and she wants to leave after the first shot, then of course you can go down to 1000. In this case it happens that the girl starts threatening you (I will call my brother, the police etc.). From my experience, this is just bullshit. Don't take that seriously. Stay firm and very calm. If she starts hitting you, don't hit back, just protect yourself with a pillow or something. And in Thailand don't expect help from Thai people even if there is no doubt that your position is correct. They always stick together. This is totally different for instance from Brazil. Thais are nationalistics and xenophobic.
As long as the girl does not break anything in the room, the receptionist will be on her side and not on yours. It was a mistake to go down to the reception.[/QUOTE]It may appear that Thais always side with Thais to some people, but that's not always the case. You have to remember that in the case where a hotel employee gets involved, you most likely don't know what she's saying to the employee. It could be something like,"He agreed to pay me 1500 baht, and now only wants to pay 1000". Which might technically be correct, but it only half the story. So the employee may simply be going on misinformation, or limited information.
Ages ago in Ao Nang, I became a regular at a bar. There was also this Korean guy who was a regular as well. The Korean was drunk, and was offering everyone a drink from his bucket. While doing this, he accidentally spilled some of the drink on a Thai lady customer who was there with a foreigner. She got really angry at him and started a fight. She even busted a bottle over his head. In real life, this is nothing like in the movies.
The Thai staff got involved by holding her until the police arrived. She was forced to pay the Korean enough money for the doctor as well as a little bit more.
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[QUOTE=RacShack;1468043]Does it put the beach and sun out all together or will I be able to still get sun inbetween the rain? Any thoughts on hotel in middle of everything thats girl frendly / thanks for your help.[/QUOTE]The best weather prediction models running on the world's big supercomputers can only predict the weather about 5 days up-front. After that their predictions are no different from a purely random prediction.
I doubt it whether any of the members here can do better, so our information is by necessity very "general" and YMMV.
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[QUOTE=Gajith;1467942]I need your advise (Please PM me) if we face the situation, what to do?[/QUOTE]There are times, and this sounds like one of them, where it's easiest just to pay up and move on. I mean, is all that extra grief worth B500 to you?
The problem is that once a price is fixed in Thailand, the Thais take it very seriously. Even if you don't get exactly the product or service you were hoping for, they expect full payment. The flip side of this is that Thais will almost never try to raise a price once it's been set, as for example the Vietnamese like to do. But anytime a girl asks for payment in advance, it's a warning sign.
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[QUOTE=Betong;1468254]There are times, and this sounds like one of them, where it's easiest just to pay up and move on. I mean, is all that extra grief worth B500 to you? .[/QUOTE]Sure the extra 500 baht is worth the grief if someone was trying to rip you off. Where would it end? The line has to be drawn somewhere. And a guy like me can eat 2 days on 500 baht. I don't know how good the original poster is at lying and / or being confident, but he could have just as well said that he agreed to 1000 which he was giving her, but she is trying to raise the price. It would have been his word against hers. And 1000 baht is no small sum of money. Somebody would have convinced her to take the 1000 and move on.
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[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1468329]Sure the extra 500 baht is worth the grief if someone was trying to rip you off. Where would it end? The line has to be drawn somewhere. And a guy like me can eat 2 days on 500 baht. I don't know how good the original poster is at lying and / or being confident, but he could have just as well said that he agreed to 1000 which he was giving her, but she is trying to raise the price. It would have been his word against hers. And 1000 baht is no small sum of money. Somebody would have convinced her to take the 1000 and move on.[/QUOTE]I'm all for thinking and doing it your way but everyone is different, I think his report said when " two motorbike show up and support her " and I might be speculating but I assume she was able to call for backup and they actually showed up so the poster felt outnumber and wasn't willing to risk a altercation over 500 baht.
LBM
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A good reason to choose Bangkok over Pattaya:
[url]http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/665698-russian-man-shows-his-penis-to-7-11-cashiers/[/url]
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Whats going on over there?
[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1468365]A good reason to choose Bangkok over Pattaya:
[url]http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/665698-russian-man-shows-his-penis-to-7-11-cashiers/[/url][/QUOTE][url]Http://www.pattayadailynews.com/en/2013/09/05/violent-naked-american-tourist/[/url]
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Different Situation
[QUOTE=RBDave; 1468108]She got really angry at him and started a fight. She even busted a bottle over his head. In real life, this is nothing like in the movies.
The Thai staff got involved by holding her until the police arrived. She was forced to pay the Korean enough money for the doctor as well as a little bit more.[/QUOTE]This is a different situation my friend! In this situation nobody will support the girl regardless in which country it happens.
Thanks / G
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[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1468329]Sure the extra 500 baht is worth the grief if someone was trying to rip you off. Where would it end? The line has to be drawn somewhere. And a guy like me can eat 2 days on 500 baht. I don't know how good the original poster is at lying and / or being confident, but he could have just as well said that he agreed to 1000 which he was giving her, but she is trying to raise the price. It would have been his word against hers. And 1000 baht is no small sum of money. Somebody would have convinced her to take the 1000 and move on.[/QUOTE]This is another approach I should have tried, but I was panic due to my condom break! Anyway it was a bad day for me. Thanks for your comments friends! Thanks / G
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[QUOTE=Betong; 1468254]There are times, and this sounds like one of them, where it's easiest just to pay up and move on. I mean, is all that extra grief worth B500 to you?
The problem is that once a price is fixed in Thailand, the Thais take it very seriously. Even if you don't get exactly the product or service you were hoping for, they expect full payment. The flip side of this is that Thais will almost never try to raise a price once it's been set, as for example the Vietnamese like to do. But anytime a girl asks for payment in advance, it's a warning sign.[/QUOTE]Betong, You are right; that is the easiest way. For me, I will be sad if someone tries to rip me off and I will try to avoid it as much as I can. But I strongly agree, yours is the wisest decision. Thanks / G
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Thanks!
[QUOTE=Pimpa; 1468097]What counts is what you agreed upon with the girl beforehand. If the agreement was 1500 LT and she wants to leave after the first shot, then of course you can go down to 1000. In this case it happens that the girl starts threatening you (I will call my brother, the police etc.). From my experience, this is just bullshit. Don't take that seriously. Stay firm and very calm. If she starts hitting you, don't hit back, just protect yourself with a pillow or something. And in Thailand don't expect help from Thai people even if there is no doubt that your position is correct. They always stick together. This is totally different for instance from Brazil. Thais are nationalistics and xenophobic.
As long as the girl does not break anything in the room, the receptionist will be on her side and not on yours. It was a mistake to go down to the reception.[/QUOTE]This is good information, I have the same situation as well a couple of times even with go go girls on LT.
Another tip I give is to take a pic before the session, so we can share info about these girls to avoid with others.
Gajith, do you have a pic of the lady?
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[QUOTE=Gin And Tonic;1468405][url]Http://www.pattayadailynews.com/en/2013/09/05/violent-naked-american-tourist/[/url][/QUOTE]That is a wingman of mine. We travel the world together. He doesn't do drugs and really only drinks beer. Someone spiked him. The last thing he remembers is jumping on the baht bus to go to Walking Street. Everything has been worked out though. It did cost (what to me is) a substantial sum of money. And thanks to other expats who put some money up he was able to get out of it. It pays to have friends. Be careful out there gentlemen.
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And took his clothes off? Really.
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1468444]That is a wingman of mine. We travel the world together. He doesn't do drugs and really only drinks beer. Someone spiked him. The last thing he remembers is jumping on the baht bus to go to Walking Street. Everything has been worked out though.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1468444]That is a wingman of mine. We travel the world together. He doesn't do drugs and really only drinks beer. Someone spiked him. The last thing he remembers is jumping on the baht bus to go to Walking Street.[/QUOTE]That is an amazing story. I am glad your friend is ok. It could have ended really bad. I bet he is going to be real careful about who handles his drinks from here on out. I hope it does not sour him on Pattaya.
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[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1468485]That is an amazing story. I am glad your friend is ok. It could have ended really bad. I bet he is going to be real careful about who handles his drinks from here on out. I hope it does not sour him on Pattaya.[/QUOTE]I just talked to him a minute ago. He was on the way to the airport. I don't know how it happened. It wasn't from food or drink though.
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[QUOTE=CorporateMalaya; 1468424]This is good information, I have the same situation as well a couple of times even with go go girls on LT.
Another tip I give is to take a pic before the session, so we can share info about these girls to avoid with others.
Gajith, do you have a pic of the lady?[/QUOTE]I posted the pic on my first post.
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[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1468444]That is a wingman of mine. We travel the world together. He doesn't do drugs and really only drinks beer. Someone spiked him. The last thing he remembers is jumping on the baht bus to go to Walking Street. Everything has been worked out though. It did cost (what to me is) a substantial sum of money. And thanks to other expats who put some money up he was able to get out of it. It pays to have friends. Be careful out there gentlemen.[/QUOTE]It could have turned out a lot worse. We read about punters getting spiked to death around here frequently. When I first read the article and saw his picture I couldn't imagine why he would do what he did and my first thought was here we go again, American tourists in Pattaya acting badly. Embarrassing to say the least for the poor fellow. It didn't occur to me that it wasn't his fault. I'm glad he was able to convince the police that he was the victim. If I were him I'd be paranoid about this place and all Pattaya hookers from now on.
When you find out the whole story I hope you will share it with us as we could all use the lesson.
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[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1468444]That is a wingman of mine. We travel the world together. He doesn't do drugs and really only drinks beer. Someone spiked him. The last thing he remembers is jumping on the baht bus to go to Walking Street. Everything has been worked out though. It did cost (what to me is) a substantial sum of money. And thanks to other expats who put some money up he was able to get out of it. It pays to have friends. Be careful out there gentlemen.[/QUOTE]Here is the girl who drugged him!
[url]https://www.facebook.com/loveyou.meloveyou?fref=ts[/url]
Here are some more photos of the hoe! She calls herself Strong Classic.
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[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1468444]That is a wingman of mine. We travel the world together. He doesn't do drugs and really only drinks beer. Someone spiked him. The last thing he remembers is jumping on the baht bus to go to Walking Street. Everything has been worked out though. It did cost (what to me is) a substantial sum of money. And thanks to other expats who put some money up he was able to get out of it. It pays to have friends. Be careful out there gentlemen.[/QUOTE]Seems like a fucking retard. Shirtless, flexing, looking for attention. A couple months ago I put on 10-15 pounds of muscle and noticed random Thai guys sizing me up, almost contemplating something bad for me. I have since tried to slim down, look more civilized. Not only do most Thai girls like it better but it deters any unwanted attention. On the other hand this crazy dysfunctional mixture of characters is what makes Pattaya so beautiful but I find the girls there and in Phuket to be grimier and am not surprised.
Following the to pay or not debate here. I just had a disco freebie. Works at furniture store but goes home with many of white men from the discos. Stayed at her place the next day. She fed me, spoiled the shit out of me. Good bye time and she had a grumpy face. I did not pay. She emails me next day, nice to meet you. Everything good but I can't help feeling bad. I email her, you mad I did not pay you? She kind of says it's ok but is quick to say how much she needs money and throws out her bank account after I use the aweful line if you ever really need money I would give to you but I think you will be good. Going back and forth here whether to send her money for the night. Fuck, I wish I was a bigger dick. Pretty soon, I am going to start feeling bad for these girls and just take them to dinner. Joke, that's insanity. Will be paying for pussy until I collapse.
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[QUOTE=Ipanema Carioca; 1468640]Here is the girl who drugged him!
[url]https://www.facebook.com/loveyou.meloveyou?fref=ts[/url]
Here are some more photos of the hoe! She calls herself Strong Classic.[/QUOTE]What makes you say she is the one? I see someone already asked her on Facebook if she did it.
I've never read a story where a guy was drugged randomly. Usually, it's by a freelancer in his room from a drink she pulls from the minibar.
I did read once of a girl from a beer bar doing it, then she disappeared the next day.
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[QUOTE=RBDave; 1468703]What makes you say she is the one? I see someone already asked her on Facebook if she did it.
I've never read a story where a guy was drugged randomly. Usually, it's by a freelancer in his room from a drink she pulls from the minibar.
I did read once of a girl from a beer bar doing it, then she disappeared the next day.[/QUOTE]Why don't you date her and find out?
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[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1468444]That is a wingman of mine. We travel the world together. He doesn't do drugs and really only drinks beer. Someone spiked him. The last thing he remembers is jumping on the baht bus to go to Walking Street. Everything has been worked out though. It did cost (what to me is) a substantial sum of money. And thanks to other expats who put some money up he was able to get out of it. It pays to have friends. Be careful out there gentlemen.[/QUOTE]Maybe he "blacked out", which can be caused by beer, drugs, medicines or any food or drink. Therefore it does not require that someone else "spiked him". Maybe he spiked himself. BTW he certainly looks like a candidate for steroid use.
"A blackout is a phenomenon caused by the intake of any substance or medication in which long term memory creation is impaired, therefore causing a complete inability to recall the past. Blackouts can be caused by any substance, but are most frequently associated with GABAergic drugs. Blackouts are frequently described as having effects similar to that of anterograde amnesia, in which the subject cannot recall any events after the event that caused amnesia. 'Blacking out' is not to be confused with the mutually exclusive act of 'passing out', which means loss of consciousness."
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackout_[/url]
A second possibility would be anterograde amnesia:
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anterograde_amnesia[/url]
The third thing concievable is sleep walking like in the comedy movie Step Brothers:
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleepwalking[/url]
None of the 3 require that a Thai person spiked him. Where is the evidence of that? Maybe it was the Russian guy at the 7-11 who exposed his joystick.
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Hey what you guys talking about? Did I fall asleep or get drug or something what happen to the the wingman?
LBM
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[quote=pinkpearl;1468746]maybe he "blacked out", which can be caused by beer, drugs, medicines or any food or drink. therefore it does not require that someone else "spiked him". maybe he spiked himself. btw he certainly looks like a candidate for steroid use.[/quote]typical simps, protecting a working girl. if you read the thai news reports on this, even the police said he was unknowingly drugged! do you're homework before you go out of your way to save a hoe.
"pdn reports that when police finally arrested the naked guy his "speech was blurry and it seemed like he was drunk." according to pattaya one, however, police suggested that the black nudist, who had been seen coming naked out of the nearby vc hotel earlier, was "under the influence of some form of narcotic which may have been administered [to him] without his knowledge inside a hotel room."
there are no potential wingmen on this board!
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[quote=ipanema carioca; 1468948]typical simps, protecting a working girl. if you read the thai news reports on this, even the police said he was unknowingly drugged! do you're homework before you go out of your way to save a hoe.
"pdn reports that when police finally arrested the naked guy his "speech was blurry and it seemed like he was drunk." according to pattaya one, however, police suggested that the black nudist, who had been seen coming naked out of the nearby vc hotel earlier, was "under the influence of some form of narcotic which may have been administered [to him] without his knowledge inside a hotel room."
there are no potential wingmen on this board![/quote]is there a source for the alleged quote? it, btw, does not state what you describe.
is there any evidence the guy with a "working girl" of thailand before he blacked out?
if he was with such a girl did he commit a rookie mistake with her to get himself drugged by her? highly probable.
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[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1468746]Maybe he "blacked out", which can be caused by beer, drugs, medicines or any food or drink. Therefore it does not require that someone else "spiked him". Maybe he spiked himself. BTW he certainly looks like a candidate for steroid use.[/QUOTE]Classic Pink Pearl. The king of speculation. I guess he spiked himself right before he took himself to a hotel room off Walking Street (never mind that he never lodges anywhere near Walking Street the 6+ times/year that he is in Pattaya) and robbed himself huh? Steroids? This man is a war veteran and goes to the gym every damn day. You remind me of the dumb asses on Thai Visa who always seem to post a comment right after reading the headline and without ever reading the article. Keep trolling dude.
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[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1469059]Classic Pink Pearl. I guess he spiked himself right before he took himself to a hotel room and robbed himself huh? Steroids? This man is a war veteran and goes to the gym every damn day. You remind me of the dumb asses on Thai Visa who always seem to post a comment right after reading the headline and without ever reading the article. Keep trolling dude.[/QUOTE]I am reading what you said & this stuff about a hotel room & being robbed is new. Was he unconscious at the time he was robbed? Was he on a session with a working girl? What was he doing at the hotel? Did he commit a rookie mistake to get himself spiked? Since he blacked out and can't remember what happened, could he have also forgotten that he took drugged food or drink from a working girl, or licked her breasts or the like? Yes. Normally people who are spiked are rendered unconscious & then robbed, not wandering all over town butt naked abducting people & then claiming amnesia later. And, again, a person can experience such a blackout or amnesia without being spiked by another person, Thai or other nationality.
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[QUOTE=Gajith;1467942]after bath she was asking me for the 1. 5 K upfront. she told she want to go by 6 am in the morning. She told Oral & Fuck will be with Condom only. yelling at me she want to go back with 1. 5 K[/QUOTE]Sounds like she was testing you for softness from the very beginning. Sometimes a session just goes without bad intent, but in this case it seems like she was deliberately out to scam you.
These days I'm quick to cancel the deal before it's consummated if any of the fundamentals are questioned early on. One strike I usually gloss over (as long as the girl is conciliatory and has a generally good vibe) , but two strikes (upfront fee, asking to go back early) or especially and it should be a quick cancellation with maybe a 200 baht parting fee. In other words, you could have seen it coming.
Once a conflict arises, don't get other Thais involved, it won't go in your favor. If the situation is adversarial, your goal is to kick her out of the door with minimal payment. Negotiate with all your clothes on (and insist on her being dressed too). Start out very low. If you offer 500 baht and stick with that for a while, then when you pay her 1000 she'll think she WON 500 instead of losing the same amount down from 1500. As long as she's paid _something_ semi-reasonable (even just 500 baht for the half of the ST) , once she's out of your room the chance of her calling someone to escalate it further is very small. Of course, if she's high on drugs, no way of predicting.
Giving her 1500 for nothing might have been a good idea once the thing escalated (with the receptionist and motorcycle guys). But in the long term it will only serve to encourage her to do this again to the next guy.
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[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1469053]Is there a source for the alleged quote? It, BTW, does not state what you describe.
Is there any evidence the guy with a "working girl" of Thailand before he blacked out?
If he was with such a girl did he commit a rookie mistake with her to get himself drugged by her? Highly probable.[/QUOTE][url]Http://www.pattaya-funtown.com/news.html[/url]
Police were called to a 24 hour convenience store in South Pattaya in the early hours of Thursday following reports of a naked foreign man who had taken a Thai Woman hostage.
Officers arrived at the branch of 7-Eleven on the Pratamnuk Road close to the VC Hotel, and managed to detain the man, who called himself Ken from America. He refused to give his full name or age.
Also at the scene was Khun Sirirat aged 38 who works as a cashier at a Walking Street Bar. She told Police that she was on her way home when she came across the American who appeared in a confused state and was naked.
She approached him to offer assistance when she was grabbed around the neck and dragged inside the shop where she was held hostage for a time. She attempted to release herself from his grip and was punched in the mouth causing her to lose a front tooth.
Khun Sirirat later joined the American at Pattaya Police Station where Police decided to lock him up until later in the morning. Police suspect he was under the influence of some form of narcotic which may have been administered without his knowledge inside a Hotel room. They think he then made his way out onto the street where the incident involving the cashier occurred.
The investigation will continue later on Thursday.
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Weather in September
[QUOTE=RacShack;1468043]Does it put the beach and sun out all together or will I be able to still get sun inbetween the rain? Any thoughts on hotel in middle of everything thats girl frendly / thanks for your help.[/QUOTE]You will be able to hang on the beach and get sun. The rain usually doesn't last a long time. Keep in mind the sea at Pattaya is very polluted. Hotel choices are many at every budget level. The is a separate Pattaya hotel thread you should check out. Sea Me Spring and LK The Empress are two good hotels across the street from the beach. There is also a Marriot, Hard Rock, and Holiday Inn on Beach Road. I would recommend staying away from the USA chain hotels as they are overpriced / unnecessary in Pattaya. Too many good alternatives are available.
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[QUOTE=Gajith;1467942]Then the girl changed her tone and yelling at me she want to go back with 1. 5 K. I resisted and agreed top pay 1 K. But she really wanted 1. 5 which I rejected. She threaten me by calling their people. I went down to the lobby but the guy at reception asked me to give money (I think he know her, because when she was handing over her I'd he refused to show it to me). When we were talking at lobby, two of the Motorbikes came and supported her. Finally I had no way so I paid the full amount.[/QUOTE]Sounds like your Hotel was in on the scam, if it was one. You should change Hotels. On the other hand I can understand her being angry if you were fucking her for 5 to 10 secs with a broken condom. Mostly guys should know when it feels a little bit too good, unless you are just about to cum (which is highly distracting).
When the whole thing got nasty, I would suggest paying the whole 1. 5K to get the thing over with. 500 Baht is not much to get a bad experience over with. If things got a hell of a lot worse than that, you could try calling the tourist police. Tourist police are intended to protect foreign tourists from being ripped off, but I know how far it extends to sex deals.
I agree with others, that in most cases girls that wish to be paid up front cannot be trusted to follow a deal to the full letter of that deal. Girls will rip you off time and time again. So in my view never pay upfront for private arrangements. I have been ripped off plenty of times over many years, so know that you need to know the personality of a girl very well before you rely on her to do what she says she is going to do. LOL.
Lastly, I advice not to take free lancer girls that do not work for any particular establishment. Its more risky.
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[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1468444]That is a wingman of mine. We travel the world together. He doesn't do drugs and really only drinks beer. Someone spiked him. The last thing he remembers is jumping on the baht bus to go to Walking Street. Everything has been worked out though. It did cost (what to me is) a substantial sum of money. And thanks to other expats who put some money up he was able to get out of it. It pays to have friends. Be careful out there gentlemen.[/QUOTE]Yes I can see that someone spiked him. It is not clear what substances make a person behave so badly. I suppose it is like how alcohol makes some people violent but magnified several times. I think he is lucky to get out of this.
For most of us, its very hard to imagine how we could behave like what was reported. Definitely nightmare stuff.
Is Pattaya becoming a risky place or we just hearing about the very worst things?
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[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1468329]Sure the extra 500 baht is worth the grief if someone was trying to rip you off. Where would it end? The line has to be drawn somewhere. And a guy like me can eat 2 days on 500 baht. I don't know how good the original poster is at lying and / or being confident, but he could have just as well said that he agreed to 1000 which he was giving her, but she is trying to raise the price. It would have been his word against hers. And 1000 baht is no small sum of money. Somebody would have convinced her to take the 1000 and move on.[/QUOTE]I'd pay 500 baht not to have the shit beaten out of me by a couple of motorcycle guys. It's not like we're dealing with normal Thais but criminals, lowlifes and drug addicts. My priority is to holiday uninjured.
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[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1469653]Yes I can see that someone spiked him. It is not clear what substances make a person behave so badly. I suppose it is like how alcohol makes some people violent but magnified several times. I think he is lucky to get out of this.
For most of us, its very hard to imagine how we could behave like what was reported. Definitely nightmare stuff.
Is Pattaya becoming a risky place or we just hearing about the very worst things?[/QUOTE]I'm curious what drug was used as well. There were two very similar incidents recently, one American, and one Russian (I believe). Both guys were naked. This makes me believe they were drugged while in their rooms with a girl.
Other suspected cases of guys being drugged, usually end up with the guy sleeping. It makes me wonder if these guys are being given zolpidem (Ambien / Stilnox). In combination with alcohol, they can have this effect on people. There have been cases where people drink on a plane, take an Ambien to sleep, then wake up in hand cuffs not knowing what went down.
So it's possible, the girls are trying to make the guys sleep so they can rob them, but then have to deal with the unexpected "sleep walking" side effects and get the hell out of Dodge.
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[QUOTE=RBDave; 1469684]I'm curious what drug was used as well. There were two very similar incidents recently, one American, and one Russian (I believe). Both guys were naked. This makes me believe they were drugged while in their rooms with a girl.
Other suspected cases of guys being drugged, usually end up with the guy sleeping. It makes me wonder if these guys are being given zolpidem (Ambien / Stilnox). In combination with alcohol, they can have this effect on people. There have been cases where people drink on a plane, take an Ambien to sleep, then wake up in hand cuffs not knowing what went down.
So it's possible, the girls are trying to make the guys sleep so they can rob them, but then have to deal with the unexpected "sleep walking" side effects and get the hell out of Dodge.[/QUOTE]He said whatever it was made him very hot. And that is why his clothes were off. AFTER being drugged he was taken to a hotel room and robbed. It wasn't that he was going short time with anyone. He doesn't even do short time, so if he was taking someone then it would have been back to his own room.
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Motorbike observation
this isn't about pussy, but might be of interest to some of you. this is what i saw this morning:
about 9 am i was cruising along 2nd road on my motorbike going 40-45 kph. not much traffic, mostly baht buses. i was on the far right as i was intending to turn right onto soi diana shortly.
a farang came tearing past me (squeezing between me and a baht bus, we just happened to be side by side at that time). the farang appeared to be going at full throttle, so he was probably going at least 80 kph.
once he got in front of me, it was wide open, no traffic, just him and the open road. i had the thought,"someday, that guy is going to pay a heavy price for that kind of driving". i watched as he continued on. when he was about 50 meters away from me, in an instant (i didn't even see the transition) his bike was horizontal and he was sliding along the road on his front side.
he had good sliding technique, on the palms of his hands, his forearms, elbows, and knees. the last 25% of his slide was actually a tumbling as he came to a stop.
fortunately, he hit no solid objects (parked cars, etc.) , so there was no danger of him suffering impact trauma.
unfortunately, he had no protection, so almost all his deceleration came from skin friction.
by the time i got to the scene, he was already standing up with the skin on all the body parts i listed above, now ground down to the bloody layer.
so he stood there with blood running down his arms from elbow to fingertip, and blood running down his legs. in a minute he had a pretty good puddle under himself.
my first impulse was to go up to him and ask him what did he expect to happen driving like that? but, i figured he was getting an instant graduate degree from the school of hard knocks, so there was no point in my offering any comments. an older farang seemed to be willing to take care of the guy, so i went about my business.
what happened? i'm guessing he hit some irregularity in the road, either a bump or a hole and at his high speed, it didn't take much for that wobble to exacerbate it a full splat.
i'm just relieved that he didn't hurt anyone else with his recklessness (he came close to taking me out).
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[QUOTE=Pointy Stick;1469672]I'd pay 500 baht not to have the shit beaten out of me by a couple of motorcycle guys. It's not like we're dealing with normal Thais but criminals, lowlifes and drug addicts. My priority is to holiday uninjured.[/QUOTE]Have you ever heard that such a thing happened in context of a situation Gajith described? I think we shouldn't lose common sense.
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[quote=slackerslacker;1469755]i'm just relieved that he didn't hurt anyone else with his recklessness (he came close to taking me out).[/quote]reckless driving is the norm here, there were three motor bike fatalities in the past two weeks. someone recommended more traffic lights, some crosswalks and speed bumbs on some of the busier streets to slow down the speed demons but it will probably only happen after someone important is killed. mix foot traffic in with the baht bus, mb racers and driver's who yield for no one, its a wonder there's not more fatal accidents.
[url]http://www.pattayaone.net/pattaya-news/101655/pregnant-motorbike-driver-killed-jomtien-road-crash/[/url]
[url]http://www.pattayaone.net/pattaya-news/101385/motorbike-taxi-driver-killed-early-morning-road-crash-south-pattaya/[/url]
[url]http://www.pattayaone.net/pattaya-news/100111/motorbike-driver-dies-high-impact-crash-central-pattaya/[/url]
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[quote=run mann; 1469813]reckless driving is the norm here, there were three motor bike fatalities in the past two weeks. someone recommended more traffic lights, some crosswalks and speed bumbs on some of the busier streets to slow down the speed demons but it will probably only happen after someone important is killed. mix foot traffic in with the baht bus, mb racers and driver's who yield for no one, its a wonder there's not more fatal accidents.
[url]http://www.pattayaone.net/pattaya-news/101655/pregnant-motorbike-driver-killed-jomtien-road-crash/[/url]
[url]http://www.pattayaone.net/pattaya-news/101385/motorbike-taxi-driver-killed-early-morning-road-crash-south-pattaya/[/url]
[url]http://www.pattayaone.net/pattaya-news/100111/motorbike-driver-dies-high-impact-crash-central-pattaya/[/url][/quote]nothing will ever change regarding this because the leaders of this government do not see anything wrong with what they are doing regarding driving. sure they see it on paper and from time to time get hype up on some compaign to do something but once the compaign is over they themselves go about doing what you see everyday on the streets or soi. a big example are the police who go back to the station and then go home without their helmets. wait outside the government office in pattaya on pattaya nau, the ems center in banglamung, schools, hospital who has the greatest interest in teaching and setting a example they all break the rules, take that to a higher level in government. i carry a license and nearly every endorsement including training commercial license and i can give 10 thai government official a driving test based on their own driver handbook and i will fail each one based on their own handbook.
thais are not alone i see farangs too driving reckless too, the biggest fools are the one who rent the big bikes and fly up and down from marine down 2nd road. and the biggest loser recently a few months ago was the farang who flew to heaven after he got cut in half on his big bike going down theappaya 120 plus km / h. basic commerical driver moto " if you put yourself in a position for something to happen it most like will happen ".
lbm
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[QUOTE=Pimpa;1469768]Have you ever heard that such a thing happened in context of a situation Gajith described? I think we shouldn't lose common sense.[/QUOTE]To me common sense would dictate that it would be sensible not to escalate the situation over such a petty amount of money. Who knows how far it could have gone. I've never been in such a situation but I have seen thais become suddenly violent over nothing so my reaction is based on their propensity for sudden violence. I'm also in my late 30s so I have lost any inclination to engage in violence over what is 'right' because life is too short to be dealing with cunts.
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[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1469839]Thais are not alone I see farangs too driving reckless too, the biggest fools are the one who rent the big bikes and fly up and down from Marine down 2nd road. And the biggest loser recently a few months ago was the farang who flew to heaven after he got cut in half on his big bike going down Theappaya 120 plus Km / H. Basic commerical driver moto " if you put yourself in a position for something to happen it most like will happen ".
LBM[/QUOTE]That was the point of my post. This was an entirely self-imposed accident by a farang. Nothing to do with the general chaos or other dangerous driving conditions which can exist on Thai roads.
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[QUOTE=Slackerslacker;1469857]That was the point of my post. This was an entirely self-imposed accident by a farang. Nothing to do with the general chaos or other dangerous driving conditions which can exist on Thai roads.[/QUOTE]I got your point maybe I didn't put it in the proper manner. As for Thais from my experience they just don't know any better as for Farangs they should know better.
LBM
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[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1469839]Nothing will ever change regarding this because the leaders of this government do not see anything wrong with what they are doing regarding driving. Sure they see it on paper and from time to time get hype up on some compaign to do something but once the compaign is over they themselves go about doing what you see everyday on the streets or Soi.[/QUOTE]A hilarious video on Youtube about the "new" (in 2010) pedestrian traffic lights in Pattaya: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsptD_9_kbE[/url]
Take care when crossing the streets and don't trust the traffic lights for one second.
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[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1469691]He said whatever it was made him very hot. And that is why his clothes were off. AFTER being drugged he was taken to a hotel room and robbed. It wasn't that he was going short time with anyone. He doesn't even do short time, so if he was taking someone then it would have been back to his own room.[/QUOTE]Maybe yaba pill like the USA marine at 31:50? A classic episode and classic series, must watch for tourists.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVryRNY6vrA[/url]
Still think this is something that can be avoided with some sense and charm.
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[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1469691]He said whatever it was made him very hot. And that is why his clothes were off. AFTER being drugged he was taken to a hotel room and robbed. It wasn't that he was going short time with anyone. He doesn't even do short time, so if he was taking someone then it would have been back to his own room.[/QUOTE]Last thing he remembers, you said, was being on the bus. How does someone drug him there? How would he not remember someone jabbing a needle in him, if that's what happened. Maybe the combination of Pattaya air pollution & bus exhaust fumes made him pass out. Or some other substances he took himself. Hopefully the police took fluids from him to test for drugs. If none are found the guy should see some specialists re what medical condition he has.
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[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1469691]He said whatever it was made him very hot. And that is why his clothes were off.[/QUOTE]He was clearly "hot". As in kidnapping the Thai lady & assaulting her, punching her in the face & knocking out her tooth. How does he explain that away?
When did he realize he was hot, when he regained consciousness in the hotel room? Then he takes off his clothes to get cooler, but runs out in his birthday suit into the Pattaya heat? Why not go to an air conditioned place or take a cold shower? Not that people wear that many clothes in Pattaya anyway. It's not exactly winter in Moscow.
But didn't you say he has no memory of any of this?
This has to be one of the strangest stories I've ever heard. Welcome to the Thailightzone.
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[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht; 1469907]A hilarious video on Youtube about the "new" (in 2010) pedestrian traffic lights in Pattaya:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsptD_9_kbE[/url]
Take care when crossing the streets and don't trust the traffic lights for one second.[/QUOTE]This is old news and have been written about in all the local papers since they installed the lights two years ago. The cost to the city 125, 000, 000 baht. People told them don't do it but like everything they do it anyway. Once the lights came on no one stopped and those who did stop had a car or bike run up their backside. They they provided for a month or so traffic cops to teach the drivers that they must stop. After they left it was back to same old same old and it didn't take long for the tourist or anyone with a light in their head this was crazy. Push the button for what crossing thinking you had the right of way was basically suicide! Now barely anyone uses them including the BIB nor do they enforce it. You have a checkpoint on Beach road on Soi 9 and there is a light yet no citations or stops but if you are a farang with helmet or no helmet be prepare to be stop.
LBM
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While we're on the topic of men being drugged in Pattaya, here's a story of two more men who claimed they were drugged and robbed by Thai massage girls.
[url]http://www.bangkokpost.com/breakingnews/368818/elderly-foreigners-robbed-by-pattaya-massage-girls[/url]
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Two elderly foreigners, one British and one Italian, say they were robbed in Pattaya by massage women they picked up on the first day of a visit to one of Thailand's most popular tourist destinations.
Salvatore Mancuso. 61, a British national who said he was a journalist, and his Italian friend Dolece Sraldo. 63, told police they arrived Thailand and went directly to stay in an apartment in Central Pattaya.
That night they went out and were approached by two Thai women offering massage services, who they took back to their room. Both said they drank a beverage the women gave them and passed out.
They woke up the next evening and said their rooms had been ransacked and possessions stolen.
Mr Mancuso said his camera and accessories, a watch and around Ł4, 000 and Ł5, 000 was missing, while the Italian man reported losing his watch and around US$300. The total value of the stolen property was about 600, 000 baht, they told police.
Pol Lt Kwanchai Numkanisorn, a case officer at Pattaya police station, said Monday that police will examine CCTV footage around the area to identify and find the robbers
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Objection
[QUOTE=Run Mann; 1470139]While we're on the topic of men being drugged in Pattaya, here's a story of two more men who claimed they were drugged and robbed by Thai massage girls.
[url]http://www.bangkokpost.com/breakingnews/368818/elderly-foreigners-robbed-by-pattaya-massage-girls[/url]
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Two elderly foreigners, one British and one Italian, say they were robbed in Pattaya by massage women they picked up on the first day of a visit to one of Thailand's most popular tourist destinations.[/QUOTE]What I really object to in this report is that two men (ages 61 and 63) were labeled "elderly". I always figured that "elderly" happened sometime after 80 or 85! LOL!
And, yes, crappy situation also -- happening to these "gentlemen"
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[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1470009]He was clearly "hot". As in kidnapping the Thai lady & assaulting her, punching her in the face & knocking out her tooth. How does he explain that away?
When did he realize he was hot, when he regained consciousness in the hotel room? Then he takes off his clothes to get cooler, but runs out in his birthday suit into the Pattaya heat? Why not go to an air conditioned place or take a cold shower? Not that people wear that many clothes in Pattaya anyway. It's not exactly winter in Moscow.
But didn't you say he has no memory of any of this?
This has to be one of the strangest stories I've ever heard. Welcome to the Thailightzone.[/QUOTE]Hey Mr Enternational, I would ever respond to this! As for PinkPearl, I would consider him out of this topic.
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sad sight on a recent visit - the beach promenade is scarcely any wider than a hotel hallway now, and the beach road itself is now three lanes wide. there are also no benches on the promenade anymore. the net result is it is that much more difficult for the girls to ply their trade there, and the whole beach effect is much uglier and less appealing. worst of all, it is more hazardous than ever to cross the road (now nearly a highway, with speeds increasing to match).
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[QUOTE=Opebo;1470203]Sad sight on a recent visit - the beach promenade is scarcely any wider than a hotel hallway now, and the Beach Road itself is now three lanes wide.[/QUOTE]What were the city planners thinking? The beach promenade was one of the best features of resort Pattaya. I always enjoyed walking its length enjoying the scenery and the human comedy. The town is that much uglier now that it is gone, but it will not make any difference to the ignorant cheap tourists that are now flocking to Pattaya in droves. What a cluster fuck!
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Beach Road
[quote=opebo;1470203]sad sight on a recent visit - the beach promenade is scarcely any wider than a hotel hallway now, and the beach road itself is now three lanes wide. there are also no benches on the promenade anymore. the net result is it is that much more difficult for the girls to ply their trade there, and the whole beach effect is much uglier and less appealing. worst of all, it is more hazardous than ever to cross the road (now nearly a highway, with speeds increasing to match).[/quote]with the exception that it will be slightly more difficult to cross the road with one additional lane, i must be one of the few that don't give a damn about this. i've been there both before and during rebuild with much of the area complete and don't see any big deal at all. scarcely wider than a hotel hallway is a gross exaggeration. in fact with the trees removed, i think the walkable space is actually wider than before. also the mostly even pavers make it easier to walk compared with constantly having to be on the lookout for ankle twisters. i do concede that the pavers will eventually become uneven as they did not build and compact a proper foundation for them.
i've come to the conclusion that people are mostly change averse and don't like it simply because it is different. in another ten years when they make the next change, people will complain about the changes then as well.
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[QUOTE=Ipanema Carioca;1470194]Hey Mr Enternational, I would ever respond to this! As for PinkPearl, I would consider him out of this topic.[/QUOTE]I wonder if you ever have been around drugs and if not you are lucky? This is what drugs like this do to you? In the 60"S you had LSD, people jumping off buildings thinking they can fly?
I lost several friends in the early 70"s, and nearly a brother who went camping in Lake Tahoe, they were all on drugs mostly acid partying up while everyone was sleeping one friend loaded up a automatic weapon and started shooting his buddies and then decided to go swimming in the lake drowning himself. The few that survived didn't remember anything?
Sorry quoted the wrong post should have been quoting PP.
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In one evening, I found myself alone because of my GF went to her home. It was suppose to be feeling myself lucky and it was Pattaya. But surprisingly I found myself unwilling to hunt around to come out from my loneliness. Just to be in myself was walking alone through the 2nd road after my dinner. Certainly a thin girl with her motorbike braked in front of me and offering massage service. Just made me curious and asked how much it will be. She replied 300bht including fucking. What a shit! I jumped off from her and asked to leave me alone.
300bht for FS! No way. If we like to dive in any scam, we may try for anything unusual.
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the 60's and 70's I remember
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1470316]In the 60"S you had LSD, people jumping off buildings thinking they can fly?[/QUOTE]Really? That LSD flying off buildings thing is such a 60's cliché. I remember WindowPane. I went to see the Jefferson Airplane and Quicksilver Messenger on Windowpane. Had a great time. I am sure a few idiots went that way, but statistically they were a misc colorful footnote in annals of drug history.
The major cause of death back then was from intravenous drug overdose of Meth, Heroin or Heroin/Cocaine combos. You could get prescriptions for Meth Amphetamine back in the 60's and pick the shit up at Walgreens.
Most of the drug related deaths that I personally know of came from getting stoned on Heroin, Ludes, and or Booze and getting behind the wheel of a car. Luckily, I escaped relatively unharmed from a few of those kinds of situations where friends were driving. One head on, which was totally my friend's fault broke my nose. In another accident, another friend passed out at the wheel and drove his Ford Van off the road and down a 30 ft gulch in remote Guatemala. Miraculously we all walked away from that one although the half English / half Venezuela girl we were travelling with had a few head lacerations from being thrown through the front windshield of the van. Ah those were the days! Drugs, sex, adventure, stupidity and great music. No Internet, no condoms, and no HIV. I never paid for sex back then and I got laid a lot in Costa Rica and Colombia.
That's the 60's and 70's I remember.
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[quote=natty bumpo; 1470334]really? that lsd flying off buildings thing is such a 60's cliché. i remember windowpane. i went to see the jefferson airplane and quicksilver messenger on windowpane. had a great time. i am sure a few idiots went that way, but statistically they were a misc colorful footnote in annals of drug history.
ah those were the days! drugs, sex, adventure, stupidity and great music. no internet, no condoms, and no hiv. i never paid for sex back then and i got laid a lot in costa rica and colombia.
that's the 60's and 70's i remember.[/quote]we must be close to the same age and your recollections are consistent with mine. you could get a hold of some bad acid and get sick. i personally neither knew nor heard of anyone dying from it. like you say the danger was getting a hopped up batch of heroin, mixing booze and barbiturates, and as we used to say, speed killed. marijuana was by far the most frequently used drug, and what was available then was much, much weaker than the stuff that's been sold the past couple of decades. most of us didn't even know that the female plants had more resin, hence more thc. oh ya, shrooms were silly fun.
do you remember the mazola oil parties? they were fun.
ah yes, i remember those days, but not all of them sequentially. ha ha
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Here is an email from today:
Yeah. I was down here with him. He was drugged by someone. He said he remembers seeing some strange looking people on the baht bus. One of them touches him. He pulls away and jumps off the bus and starts running. He doesn't know why he was running but he said he felt some people was chasing him. So he just kept running down Walking Street in Pattaya. He ran all the way down, got exhausted and took off all his clothes. Then went into a rage when a woman tried to help. Allegedly punched her and knocked out a tooth. Somewhere in between all that he allegedly made some damage in a hotel lobby. He was arrested, hit with a taser gun and taken to jail. We all pitched in and got bail for him. The toothless woman wanted 50, 000 baht. The hotel wanted 20, 000 baht. Now get this. No one ever saw damage to the hotel or security video. The woman never showed up at the jail to pick up her money. We did make them give us a receipt explaining everything was paid off from further mess coming up. But all he really remembers is that someone grabbed his arm, he jumping off the bus and running, then stripping. He remembers being tasered and put on the back of a truck to go to jail. Then he remembers gathering conscious inside a jail cell with only a towel on. While all this was going on, we was at a club waiting for him to show. We never knew all that went on until the next morning. Someone told us that there is a drug that they can rub on you and it will get into your system.
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Scopolamine
I'm trying to figure out what drug could cause this. I found Scopolamine. The wiki page even says it is used in Thailand, but there is no citation.
Does he remember if he was sweating? I can imagine if he was running, but not sweating as the drug inhibits sweating, he would feel very hot.
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Bath Salts
[quote=rbdave; 1470355]i'm trying to figure out what drug could cause this. i found scopolamine. the wiki page even says it is used in thailand, but there is no citation.
does he remember if he was sweating? i can imagine if he was running, but not sweating as the drug inhibits sweating, he would feel very hot.[/quote]when i was in peru, scopolamine was a popular drug to incapacitate people to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] and / or rob. now days, whenever i hear or read about someone going psycho, i wonder if they've knowingly or unknowingly ingested bath salts.
http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/features/bath-salts-drug-dangers
in the usa, bath salts are a big problem.
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[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo; 1470334]Really? That LSD flying off buildings thing is such a 60's cliché. I remember WindowPane. I went to see the Jefferson Airplane and Quicksilver Messenger on Windowpane. Had a great time. I am sure a few idiots went that way, but statistically they were a misc colorful footnote in annals of drug history.
The major cause of death back then was from intravenous drug overdose of Meth, Heroin or Heroin / Cocaine combos. You could get prescriptions for Meth Amphetamine back in the 60's and pick the shit up at Walgreens.
Most of the drug related deaths that I personally know of came from getting stoned on Heroin, Ludes, and or Booze and getting behind the wheel of a car. Luckily, I escaped relatively unharmed from a few of those kinds of situations where friends were driving. One head on, which was totally my friend's fault broke my nose. In another accident, another friend passed out at the wheel and drove his Ford Van off the road and down a 30 ft gulch in remote Guatemala. Miraculously we all walked away from that one although the half English / half Venezuela girl we were travelling with had a few head lacerations from being thrown through the front windshield of the van. Ah those were the days! Drugs, sex, adventure, stupidity and great music. No Internet, no condoms, and no HIV. I never paid for sex back then and I got laid a lot in Costa Rica and Colombia.
That's the 60's and 70's I remember.[/QUOTE]The use of the example of LSD was just a comparison maybe not a good one for a technical guy like you? That whatever drug it can have it's affect and make you do things you normally wouldn't do. As you noted whatever the drug was your choice it makes you do things and put you in situation you wouldn't normally be in it was just a example to the poster who didn't seem to understand why the guy was so hot? Etc. This is a forum like Google buddy?
Those might be the choices you had but the choices I saw most that was taken in S.F. in the Haight was LSD and of course good old pot!
LBM
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[quote=opebo;1470203]sad sight on a recent visit - the beach promenade is scarcely any wider than a hotel hallway now, and the beach road itself is now three lanes wide. there are also no benches on the promenade anymore. the net result is it is that much more difficult for the girls to ply their trade there, and the whole beach effect is much uglier and less appealing. worst of all, it is more hazardous than ever to cross the road (now nearly a highway, with speeds increasing to match).[/quote]what is happening to pattaya!
the 'coconut bar' has allways been a happy hunting ground for me. some of my very best afternoon encounters have been with playmates found there.
it was always nice to take a leisurely afternoon stroll along beach road and stop of for a smoke while sitting on one of the many benches to admire the passing ladies.
are you saying that all the benches are now gone!
i seem to remember that someone told me that the dolphin fountain on beach road at the bottom of central road has gone as well!
oh well, i will be there to check myself in a few days time. i do hope that i will not be disappointed!
never mind. there are always plenty more places to check for an afternoon playmate in pattata.
i can not believe that just because the benches have gone that all the freelancers have stopped going to there!
hotman.
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Scary Stuff!
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1470352]Here is an email from today:He was drugged by someone. He said he remembers seeing some strange looking people on the baht bus. One of them touches him. He pulls away and jumps off the bus and starts running. Someone told us that there is a drug that they can rub on you and it will get into your system.[/QUOTE]Real strange turn of events, has made me really apprehensive for future trips. What to look out for, if they can do it on the bus, they can very well do it any corner. Have been following Pattaya news website, so many stories of the ladies of the night doing the drugging, but this one beats them all. Do update us on the story as and when it moves Mr Enternational.
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[QUOTE=RBDave; 1470218]With the exception that it will be slightly more difficult to cross the road with one additional lane, I must be one of the few that don't give a damn about this. I've been there both before and during rebuild with much of the area complete and don't see any big deal at all. Scarcely wider than a hotel hallway is a gross exaggeration. In fact with the trees removed, I think the walkable space is actually wider than before. Also the mostly even pavers make it easier to walk compared with constantly having to be on the lookout for ankle twisters. I do concede that the pavers will eventually become uneven as they did not build and compact a proper foundation for them.
I've come to the conclusion that people are mostly change averse and don't like it simply because it is different. In another ten years when they make the next change, people will complain about the changes then as well.[/QUOTE]I've watch the work progress over a couple of visits, and I look forward to seeing it complete next week. I thought they were doing a pretty good job and it might be a real improvement.
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[QUOTE=CorporateMalaya;1470489]Real strange turn of events, has made me really apprehensive for future trips. What to look out for, if they can do it on the bus, they can very well do it any corner. Have been following Pattaya news website, so many stories of the ladies of the night doing the drugging, but this one beats them all. Do update us on the story as and when it moves Mr Enternational.[/QUOTE]You can get so paranoid that you won't leave your mother's basement. :)
It really is very hard to drug someone, which is why anaesthetists are paid more than surgeons. If you have had several drinks then someone spikes your drink, OK I can believe it. But drugging someone by touching them on a bus? C'mon, get real!
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To me it sounds like PCP. I have never really heard of another drug make a person run around and do crazy shit like that. It was / is a little popular with people in Texas to smoke it mixed with marijuana and embalming fluid. One friend told me that when it tried it he looked in the mirror and saw the devil. Then there are many instances of people smoking it and going on violent rampages and killing people.
[Url] http://youtube.com/watch?v=D7Cnk-bFVsA&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DD7Cnk-bFVsA[/url]
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Low season. High season
[QUOTE=RBDave; 1470218]With the exception that it will be slightly more difficult to cross the road with one additional lane, I must be one of the few that don't give a damn about this. I've been there both before and during rebuild with much of the area complete and don't see any big deal at all. Scarcely wider than a hotel hallway is a gross exaggeration. In fact with the trees removed, I think the walkable space is actually wider than before. Also the mostly even pavers make it easier to walk compared with constantly having to be on the lookout for ankle twisters. I do concede that the pavers will eventually become uneven as they did not build and compact a proper foundation for them.
I've come to the conclusion that people are mostly change averse and don't like it simply because it is different. In another ten years when they make the next change, people will complain about the changes then as well.[/QUOTE]We are in low season now. The real test will come in high season when hordes of tourists want to walk on the promenade. I think we will have to take some thai boxing lessons to be able to pass the bottlenecks.
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[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1470352]He was drugged by someone. He said he remembers seeing some strange looking people on the baht bus. One of them touches him. He pulls away and jumps off the bus and starts running. He doesn't know why he was running .[/QUOTE]Here is the thing: if you are a thief and your modus operandi is to drug someone and then rob them, it is imperative to get the intended victim alone in a private area like a house or apartment. Then when the victim comes under the influence, the thieves can rob him without any hindrance or witnesses.
It sounds like your friend was already drugged, made unconscious, and robbed. After the crime was committed, the perpetrators put him on a bus and that's when he started to come out of it, but he was still under the influence and completely disoriented and so he freaked out. A similar crime happened to someone I know in Manila. He remembers meeting a helpful women on the street. They share a cab together and the last thing he remembers he is being taken to a house in a barrio not too far away. He wakes up in his hotel room 24 hours later, his SLR camera is gone as well as a couple hundred dollars' worth of pesos. How he got back to his hotel room is a mystery. The thieves probably dropped him off somewhere near his hotel and where he originally met the helpful women and he probably walked back to his hotel semi unconscious and still under the influence of the drug. He is lucky to be alive.
The drug could be PCP or a fast acting derivative of some kind.
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Beach road works
[QUOTE=Mouse1;1470520]I've watch the work progress over a couple of visits, and I look forward to seeing it complete next week. I thought they were doing a pretty good job and it might be a real improvement.[/QUOTE]Is all the road work near to completion on Beach Road.
Thanks
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Planning a trip
Hi Guys.
Planning a trip to Pattaya at the end of October. A couple of questions.
What's the weather generally like at the end of October to the middle of November?
Should I bring Canadian Dollars or US dollars?
If somebody can post the latest exchange rates available in Pattaya for both currencies. That would be immensely helpful.
Thanks guys. Will post with confirmed dates and looking forward to meet some of you there.
SexMachine
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[QUOTE=Sexmachine1; 1470718]Hi Guys.
Planning a trip to Pattaya at the end of October. A couple of questions.
What's the weather generally like at the end of October to the middle of November?
Should I bring Canadian Dollars or US dollars?
If somebody can post the latest exchange rates available in Pattaya for both currencies. That would be immensely helpful.[/QUOTE]Today's rates likely won't be the same in October as they constantly changing but as of yesterday the U.S. Dollar was 32.12 and Canadian was 31.10. The weather channel online will tell you all you need to know about the weather anywhere.
[url]http://themoneyconverter.com/CAD/THB.aspx[/url]
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Exchange rates
[QUOTE=Sexmachine1; 1470718]Hi Guys.
Planning a trip to Pattaya at the end of October. A couple of questions.
What's the weather generally like at the end of October to the middle of November?
Should I bring Canadian Dollars or US dollars?
If somebody can post the latest exchange rates available in Pattaya for both currencies. That would be immensely helpful.
Thanks guys. Will post with confirmed dates and looking forward to meet some of you there.
SexMachine[/QUOTE]The end of October can be rainy or can be sunny, but transition to more sunny / dry in November which is the beginning of the dry season.
This is a good site to find the latest exchange rates.
[url]http://bankexchangerates.daytodaydata.net/default.aspx[/url]
1 CAD approx 30. 4 THB.
1 USD approx 31. 5 THB.
I don't think it matters if you bring CAD or USD. But I would bring an ATM card and make withdrawals from Aeon ATMs (no 150-180 THB service charge).
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[QUOTE=Xplorer007; 1470621]Is all the road work near to completion on beach road.
Thanks[/QUOTE]Nearly. And it looks fantastic.
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[QUOTE=Bro2012;1470736]Nearly. And it looks fantastic.[/QUOTE]Can someone post a current pic of the promenade in front of Mike's mall. I enjoyed that area with the raised concrete benches around the trees, always a bit of a mystery with the subdued lighting
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[QUOTE=MilesToGo;1470737]Can someone post a current pic of the promenade in front of Mike's mall. I enjoyed that area with the raised concrete benches around the trees, always a bit of a mystery with the subdued lighting[/QUOTE]Just relax. The games, that took place there before, are continuing. It's not a big deal.
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Soi 6 Newbie
Want to spend some time in Soi 6, this time. Could the senior members share the following:
1. Which bars have the best lineup and what is the best time.
2. Which have the cleanest rooms.
3. Things to look out for, and how to handle girls who get rough or grope on the street.
Thanks in advance.
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[QUOTE=CorporateMalaya; 1470899]Want to spend some time in Soi 6, this time. Could the senior members share the following:
1. Which bars have the best lineup and what is the best time.
2. Which have the cleanest rooms.
3. Things to look out for, and how to handle girls who get rough or grope on the street.
Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Most popular, is Nightwish, Skybar, RedPoint, Pussy club the cleanest might be Ruby Bar and Chill Bar, if you aren't into LadyBoys then stay away from Soi 6/1 especially at night. There are one or two ladyboy bars that have them staying outside some can be a little pushy or agressive.
LBM
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Soi Six
[QUOTE=CorporateMalaya; 1470899]Want to spend some time in Soi 6, this time. Could the senior members share the following:
1. Which bars have the best lineup and what is the best time.[/QUOTE]I am not a big fan of Soi 6, but I can see why some punters love this part of town and never leave it. It is a party street. You drink, you shag, you meet some fellow like-minded punters, drink some more, shag some more, drink some more and then go to sleep. Next day, Soi Six lovers do it again. There is a camaraderie on Soi Six between the punters, the girls, the punters and some of the bar owners. Soi 6 is just one of those places where you really have to go there, see it, and experience it before you can decide if it is for you or not. I suggest you go there around sundown and take a slow deliberate walk from Beach Road to 2nd Road and back a couple times. Take note of any girls and their respective bars that you find attractive. Then take the plunge, say hi and flirt a little. Soi 6 girls are very friendly, about the friendliest girls I have ever met in Thailand. Buy the girl a drink if you want to take it another step further and if everything seems good, it probably is, so let her take you upstairs for a good time. Afterwards, come downstairs, settle down, have another drink, and relax into the gentle flow of the evening.
Here is my short list of some of the more popular Soi Six bars in preferential order based on my personal comparative observations of the number of cute girls hanging around, the good vibe of the place, and general ambience of the bar over the years.
Nightwish *
Red Point *
Ruby Bar *
Sky Bar *
OBAR *
Pussy Club (Amsterdamaged) *
Saigon Girls *
I wouldn't rely too much on my list except as a general guide. A girl from any of these bars is most likely going to show you a good time provided she passes the initial audition when you buy her a drink. Go with your own intuition and attraction towards a girl you see. None of these bars have Ladyboys.
Last time I was in Pattaya in March, I stopped by Soi Six one evening as the sun was going down. I walked the SIX three times until I found a cute little girl I thought I might want to shag. Actually I spotted two cuties. One was from Ruby Bar or Red Point (I forget which) and one was from OBar. I chose Porn from OBar for no particular reason over the other girl. They both seemed nice. Porn smiled and got sexy with me as soon as I walked her way. No, actually she smiled and came to life as soon as I looked her way. Boom! The accommodations upstairs were rustic if you know what I mean, but that is part of the charm of doing it on the SIX. All in all I had a very good time. ST: 300bt for room + 700bt for girl + 200bt tip + ? For drinks. Here is a picture of the lovely and charming Porn. She is a nice girl. I wouldn't mind repeating with her. Of course you can find better looking girls in Walking Street Go Go's, but that is not the point, is it?
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[QUOTE=Sexmachine1; 1470718]Hi Guys.
Planning a trip to Pattaya at the end of October. A couple of questions.
What's the weather generally like at the end of October to the middle of November?
Should I bring Canadian Dollars or US dollars?
If somebody can post the latest exchange rates available in Pattaya for both currencies. That would be immensely helpful.
Thanks guys. Will post with confirmed dates and looking forward to meet some of you there.
SexMachine[/QUOTE]There's lots of websites that will give you the exchange rate. There are also lots of exchange places in Pattaya and they give the best rates. Don't change money at home. I generally change about €50 at the airport and then change the rest in Pattaya as I need to. US dollars might be better, but Pattaya and Thailand are on their game. You aren't going to the boondocks, they will facilitate you.
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[QUOTE=Hotman 666;1470421]I can not believe that just because the benches have gone that all the freelancers have stopped going to there![/QUOTE]
No, they're still there - only serious police crackdowns (like in the mid 2000s) can drive them away. Nowadays they just face a very awkward venue - nowhere to sit, and with people walking all over them.
[QUOTE=Mua Tur;1470329]She replied 300bht including fucking. What a shit! I jumped off from her and asked to leave me alone.
300bht for FS! No way. If we like to dive in any scam, we may try for anything unusual.[/QUOTE]
Ten years ago I always paid 300 baht. I think the last time I was offered that price was less than a year ago, though certainly it is very rare. You should've given her a chance.
[QUOTE=RBDave;1470218]I've come to the conclusion that people are mostly change averse and don't like it simply because it is different. In another ten years when they make the next change, people will complain about the changes then as well.[/QUOTE]
I was born at the height of human achievement - the late 1960s - and have observed only decline and worsening in every aspect of life ever since.
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Never picked up a beach road girl before as I had never seen anything of interest in the past. Maybe I was going at the wrong times? So last night I decided to take a walk around 9 pm. Surprised to see as many as girls as I did since there are no longer any benches for them to sit on. I still did not take anyone as I kept getting hounded by ladyboys. I hate that they do often look pretty in the shadows. LOL.
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[QUOTE=CorporateMalaya; 1470899]Want to spend some time in Soi 6, this time. Could the senior members share the following:
1. Which bars have the best lineup and what is the best time.[/QUOTE]In August I had a girl from Red Point. 2h, in my hotel. 2000+500fine. Was worth it.
Opposite Red Point a beer bar, where I waited before, while having a drink, to check the girls "changing the guard", about 18:00.
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[QUOTE=MilesToGo;1470737]Can someone post a current pic of the promenade in front of Mike's mall. I enjoyed that area with the raised concrete benches around the trees, always a bit of a mystery with the subdued lighting[/QUOTE]Here are various shots that I just took along Beach Road. Last night the girls were sitting on stacks of bricks or on top of the chair stacks that the vendors had locked up. There were plenty of women out. It is business as usual. For motorbike riders, as I took these pictures a few minutes ago I did count 5 police officers stationed throughout Beach Road from Pattaya Klang to Pattaya Tai giving out tickets.
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I don't know what got in to me last night. I was walking down Walking Street at 3:15 and a chick stopped me. I decided I wanted her to come home with me. She asked short time or long time. I said long time always. She said 2000. I told her 1000. She agreed. Since we both had motorbikes to retrieve I told her to meet me in front of the temple on Pattaya Tai. She didn't believe I was going to show. We got to the crib and there were fireworks. When all was said and done she said that she wanted to go home now. It was 5am. I said wait a minute. We agreed that you would stay and I would give you 1000. So since you want to leave now how much should I give you? She said up to you. I said no you tell me. Again she said up to you. I said okay 500. She said 600 so she could buy food the next day and go to the pool at Pattaya Park. I agreed. She told me to call her whenever I miss her and she would stay the whole night.
I walked her out and told her that I was going to hit the streets again. She asked was I going to look for another lady who would stay. I told her no. I went to one of my favorite discos and got a drink. A stunner who was sitting with another Thai female and a French male called me over. She said that her friend and the guy were married. They were arguing like they were married too! Somehow I ended up taking this chick home about 6:30am. When we were on my bike she asked me how much I would give her. I said how much do you want? She said I need 2000. I said you need 1000. She said okay.
We got back to my place and she told me the story of how she lived in Scotland with a 47 year-old guy for a year and a half. They came back to Pattaya on vacation (common story - why the fuck do they do that?) The guy went down to Soi 6 with some buddies. He met a 39 year-old there, and told the girl I had, who is now 27 but looks 21, that he was finished with her. The reason he gave is that she is to young to be a family woman. So now he has taken the 39 year-old to Scotland. I will never cease to be amazed how guys actively seek out hookers for relationships.
As soon as we walked in the door she starting saying that her friend wanted her to take nekkit pictures but she has never done it. Then she striped off her clothes and gave me her cell phone and told me to take pictures so she could send to him. I was like huh? Okay, if you insist. I was directing her poses. Then I thought, while I am doing this I may as well get my phone out as well. So now I have a phone in each hand simultaneously taking pictures of this chick. Then I brought my Big John vibrator out and let her do several poses with it. I told her that he would really like that. I told her that I thought we should take a picture of my dick in her mouth and send it to him. She told me to take my pants off and she went to work with her tongue ring. I didn't take any pictures of that though.
While we were fucking I picked up her phone and was about to answer a message on facebook that a guy had sent. She told me not to do it because he sends her money. I told her that I wouldn't fuck that up for her. So I wrote some lovey dovey bullshit like it was from her. There was another guy as well that she was talking to on facebook. He is supposed to come in the next couple of days. Then there was one more guy who she said that everyday he says he is going to send money tomorrow but he never does. I said how much is he supposed to send. She said it was up to him. I asked her how she met these guys. She said she met them here in Pattaya. I said okay, I thought you may have met them on the internet. She said no. Guys are the internet are full of shit. They only want to talk and get on cam. They will never come to Thailand. We were going back and forth with that facebook shit, her asking me how to spell things in English and all. I finally told her to put the phone down so we could go to sleep. We woke up at noon and I took her home.
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Coming to Pattaya
Hey guys,
I am looking at coming to Pattaya in a couple of weeks, I trying to get a handle on how much everything is going to cost. How do Bar fines work and what should I expect to pay. The prices there seem to be all over.
Thanks,
Timmy
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[QUOTE=Seaman Timmy; 1471249]Hey guys,
I am looking at coming to Pattaya in a couple of weeks, I trying to get a handle on how much everything is going to cost. How do Bar fines work and what should I expect to pay. The prices there seem to be all over.
Thanks,
Timmy[/QUOTE]You're a brave soul, Timmy, to ask a question like that. Many people would suggest that you read some of the forum reports, where much helpful information is given. I'll simply restrict myself to saying that the prices do vary depending on the location and the girl.
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Soi six 700 baht?
[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1471025]Last time I was in Pattaya in March, I stopped by Soi Six one evening as the sun was going down. I walked the SIX three times until I found a cute little girl I thought I might want to shag. Actually I spotted two cuties. One was from Ruby Bar or Red Point (I forget which) and one was from OBar. I chose Porn from OBar for no particular reason over the other girl. They both seemed nice. Porn smiled and got sexy with me as soon as I walked her way. No, actually she smiled and came to life as soon as I looked her way. Boom! The accommodations upstairs were rustic if you know what I mean, but that is part of the charm of doing it on the SIX. All in all I had a very good time. ST: 300bt for room + 700bt for girl + 200bt tip + ? For drinks. Here is a picture of the lovely and charming Porn. She is a nice girl. I wouldn't mind repeating with her. Of course you can find better looking girls in Walking Street Go Go's, but that is not the point, is it?[/QUOTE]I went to Soi Six several times in the past months. Almost all girls quoted 1000 + 300. Okay, I prefer very cute girls and I didn't haggle. Nevertheless it astonishes me a little bit that you used to pay only 700. Did you haggle?
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[QUOTE=MisterO;1471134]there are no longer any benches for them to sit on.[/QUOTE]Have not been in a year. So now the benches are gone. Another notch in the slow change from Pattaya party on earth to Little Moscow family fun center.
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Soi Six and then Baccara
[QUOTE=Pimpa;1471346]I went to Soi Six several times in the past months. Almost all girls quoted 1000 + 300. Okay, I prefer very cute girls and I didn't haggle. Nevertheless it astonishes me a little bit that you used to pay only 700. Did you haggle?[/QUOTE]Hi Pimpa, no I don't haggle or negotiate. I do my market research before I travel so I am aware of prevailing rates in various venues. When I see a girl I am attracted to; I smile, I flirt with her, and if she is responsive to my overtures, I buy her a drink. If she seems like a nice girl, I will ask her how much. If she quotes me the market rate or near the market rate; it is on. If she quotes me too much I make a joke about it and give her an exaggerated frown. That is all I will do. I continue sipping my drink and some more polite banter. If the girl negotiates herself down in price; it's on. If she says nothing more on the subject by the time I finish my drink, I get up and politely say, 'I'll see you later' and I am off to the next bar and the next girl. Leaving the bar empty handed does not happen very often to me. I think that is because my vibe is friendly, relaxed, and I don't care if I get laid right now or not because I got laid 3 times yesterday, 3 times the day before yesterday, and 3 times the day before that.
Now to the case at point: to the best of my recollection, Porn asked 700bt plus 300bt for the room. I think I would have remembered it if she had asked more. I am 90% sure of this. Now this was in early March. 2013 and even at this early date, board members were reporting that some girls on the 6 were trying to get 1000bt, but most were still happy with the 700bt going rate. The pertinent question is what is the going rate now and what will it be in March 2014 when I return? I don't know. Maybe you are right and the rate most girls are now asking is 1000bt. I think more forum members need to come forth with their experiences for us to know for sure.
In any case, when I return to Pattaya and Soi Six, I will know better about prevailing market rates. If I run into Porn and she recognizes me, I won't even ask what her rate is. It will be a happy moment. I will ask her how she is doing. I'll buy her a drink, and probably take her back to my hotel for a longer more relaxed session of reunion sex. Thai working girls like reunion sex with friendly returning customers. This has happened to me many times in Thailand. I love it too. On the other hand, if I do not spot Porn or she does not recognize me, it's no big deal. I will slowly cruise the Soi up and down until I find another cutie or two. By the way, I only prefer cute, friendly girls at the minimum and beautiful friendly model quality girls at the max. I never take a plain girl or someone I am not attracted too. Well almost never, HA. I think Porn was one of the two cutest girls on the Soi at the time I met her. There might have been a couple of more attractive girls upstairs with customers. You never know. At the time, I was looking for a little cutie just like Porn and I am glad I found her. She was perfect.
Later I walked down Beach Road to Walking Street checking out the FL's and everything else. I had something to eat at one of the portable food carts on Soi 15 and then I wandered into Baccara. I saw nobody that interested me on the 1st floor, but on the 2nd floor I ran into a little spinner named Ning, #337. I was not very horny, but Ning won me over with her sweet 'bad' girl personality. When she started pole dancing, she suddenly ripped off her top and slid down the pole to the 1st floor. I immediately jumped up and started clapping. I remember shouting, 'now that's what a call a show! ' purposely quoting George Clooney in 'From Dusk Till Dawn'. I don't know if any of the other customers (mostly Asians) got it or not. I don't care. After her act, Ning came back to me and I told her she was my Baccara superstar. A few tequila shots later, we left for my hotel room. I liked Ning so much, I barfined her the next night as well. ST 2000bt + 300bt tip + 600bt barfine (I think) + drinks (? can't remember/don't care?).
Just another night in Pattaya. No big deal.
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[QUOTE=Pimpa;1471346]I went to Soi Six several times in the past months. Almost all girls quoted 1000 + 300. Okay, I prefer very cute girls and I didn't haggle. Nevertheless it astonishes me a little bit that you used to pay only 700. Did you haggle?[/QUOTE]I regularly frequent Soi 6. If I am interested I usually just say '700 baht plus room, OK? ' Most if not all (20+ over the last 12 months) say yes. If the girl insists on 1000 baht I just say 'Thanks', and move on. I only once paid 1000 baht, for my very last shag last trip because I decided I wanted the girl, and couldn't be bothered to find another in the hour before my taxi arrived.
Similarly I always pay 1500 baht for o/n, from 10pm to 10am. Only one girl has complained, and wanted 2000 baht.
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[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1471373]Hi Pimpa, no I don't haggle or negotiate. I do my market research before I travel so I am aware of prevailing rates in various venues. When I see a girl I am attracted to; I smile, I flirt with her, and if she is responsive to my overtures, I buy her a drink.[/QUOTE]Absolutely spot on regarding Soi 6. And I only ever go with a girl who shows interest in me, which rules out a good few who seem bored or are chatting to their friends or are eating or are on the phone. Unfortunately the most enthusiastic are not always the most attractive, but that still leaves a substantial number of attractive girls looking to earn their money.
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[QUOTE=Mouse1; 1471519]I regularly frequent Soi 6. If I am interested I usually just say '700 baht plus room, OK? ' Most if not all (20+ over the last 12 months) say yes.
Similarly I always pay 1500 baht for o / and, from 10pm to 10am. Only one girl has complained, and wanted 2000 baht.[/QUOTE]Are the prices that you are mentioning for the bar girls? This means that you should pay 700 (1500 for LT) baht for the girl + 300 baht for the room + bar fine + tip (optional). You don't mention the bar fine. Does it mean that for those girls the price for a girl includes the bar fine? Or you are referring to freelancers?
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[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1471373]Maybe you are right and the rate most girls are now asking is 1000bt. I think more forum members need to come forth with their experiences for us to know for sure.[/QUOTE]The standard rate on Soi 6 is now transitioning from 700 to 1000 (room rate holding steady at B300). What this means is that most of the more popular girls have been getting B1000 for a year or two now, while the less in-demand ones are still happy to get B700. The rest are somewhere in between, but increasingly want B1000. It's just ordinary inflation, and it exactly mirrors the way the basic rate went from 500 to 700 some years ago.
Like you I don't negotiate, not for prices or time or services. In fact I don't even bring up the subject, and if the girl starts trying to, I lose interest pretty quickly. I just take them and then pay what I think the service was worth. Once in a long while one will seem a little dissatisfied, in which case I ask her how much more she wants. I remember the first time this happened on Soi 6, when a girl wanted 1000 instead of 700, a couple years ago. I like to think I can tell when they honestly feel they're being underpaid, and in this case there was no doubt. She was a hottie and that was what she was getting. So I paid up, no problem. These days I give 1000 as a matter of course, unless it was disappointing (or phenomenal).
I'm always amused how guys can deal with inflation in most things, but get all offended when they encounter it in commercial sex. Given that the typical kap khaao meal has gone from B20 to B40 over the past couple years, the price rises on Soi 6 if anything are still on the low side.
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[QUOTE=Betong;1471617]I'm always amused how guys can deal with inflation in most things, but get all offended when they encounter it in commercial sex. Given that the typical kap khaao meal has gone from B20 to B40 over the past couple years, the price rises on Soi 6 if anything are still on the low side.[/QUOTE]Fair and true enough. Its just too bad that most of disposable incomes (in Canada at least) have not kept up with the inflation.
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[QUOTE=Betong;1471617]I'm always amused how guys can deal with inflation in most things, but get all offended when they encounter it in commercial sex. Given that the typical kap khaao meal has gone from B20 to B40 over the past couple years, the price rises on Soi 6 if anything are still on the low side.[/QUOTE]I am watching the USD / TBT exchange rate. In March the rate was hovering at around 2900bt per $100. A couple of times all I got was slightly below 2875bt for $100. Since March, surprise, surprise, the dollar has rallied. Today it is at 3168bt per $100. That is a 13% gain! That should help ease the pain from the increased local inflation. In fact if you are holding US Dollars, Thailand is cheaper today than it was in March. Now maybe this is not much to cheer about, I remember back in 2004, when $100 was worth over 4200bt. And even though it would be real nice to see that exchange rate again in the foreseeable future, Thailand would still be more expensive today than it was in 2004.
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[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1471691]Today it is at 3168bt per $100. That is a 13% gain![/QUOTE]Yeah, the dollar has been surprisingly strong against most Asian currencies lately, especially the baht and the Philippine peso. Great for you guys who make USD. Not so good for us who get paid in baht!
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[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1471691]I am watching the USD / TBT exchange rate.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Betong;1471708]Yeah, the dollar has been surprisingly strong against most Asian currencies lately, especially the baht and the Philippine peso. Great for you guys who make USD. Not so good for us who get paid in baht![/QUOTE]I try to follow currency, though I am far from an expert. Here's what I'm reading. The smart guys thought the baht was artificially high went it was around 28-29 to the US dollar. They think right now. 32. 2 to 32. 4 is about right. The sudden swing was a reaction to capital leaving Thailand and emerging markets in general. This was precipitated by the rising rates on US Treasuries and anticipation of the ending of QE. Some smart guys think it is possible all of this is a precursor to another Asian crisis. If they're right you could see 42 again. While I follow their reasoning, I wouldn't bet on it.
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Currency Speculation
[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1471721]I try to follow currency, though I am far from an expert. Here's what I'm reading. The smart guys thought the baht was artificially high went it was around 28-29 to the US dollar. They think right now. 32. 2 to 32. 4 is about right. The sudden swing was a reaction to capital leaving Thailand and emerging markets in general. This was precipitated by the rising rates on US Treasuries and anticipation of the ending of QE. Some smart guys think it is possible all of this is a precursor to another Asian crisis. If they're right you could see 42 again. While I follow their reasoning, I wouldn't bet on it.[/QUOTE]Is not for the amateurs! Given the manipulation of exchange rates by currency speculators (who deal in millions daily) it is not for us little guys to make a killing.
I for one, when I am changing my few hundred dollars at a time bluntly find an exchange booth and worry not about the $5 I might gain or lose walking the streets to find a better rate. For the price of a beer it just ain't worth the hassle.
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[QUOTE=Scorchin;1471724]Is not for the amateurs! Given the manipulation of exchange rates by currency speculators (who deal in millions daily) it is not for us little guys to make a killing.[/QUOTE]It is not even for professionals. Just think of those financial traders and banks that plunged the world in a crisis we are all still struggling to escape from.
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[QUOTE=Scorchin;1471724]I for one, when I am changing my few hundred dollars at a time bluntly find an exchange booth and worry not about the $5 I might gain or lose walking the streets to find a better rate. For the price of a beer it just ain't worth the hassle.[/QUOTE]Right, but let's say you are planning on spending $2000 in x amount of time in Pattaya. At the average March. 2013 rate of 29bt per dollar you will have 58, 000bt to spend at your discretion. At around today's rate of 32bt per dollar you will have 64, 000bt or 6, 000bt more discretionary spending power at your disposal. That differential is worth a couple of sessions with the lady of your choice at the very least, so the fx is pretty important. That was my point.
I am not suggesting that anyone start trading Baht on the forward currency market. I am suggesting that the inflationary cost of pussy in Dollar or EU terms is significantly explained by the foreign exchange rate and the value of our currency is dependent on the fiscal and monetary policies of our respective governments and central banks. And those bastards have not been doing a very good job over the past 10 years to say the least. That is the main reason that pussy has been getting more and more expensive for us westerners everywhere in Asia. We need to elect smarter leaders with better ideas and for fuck sake stop printing money! It only leads to inflation. The last 5 years should have proven that.
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[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1471733]Right, but let's say you are planning on spending $2000 in x amount of time in Pattaya. At the average March. 2013 rate of 29bt per dollar you will have 58, 000bt to spend at your discretion. At around today's rate of 32bt per dollar you will have 64, 000bt or 6, 000bt more discretionary spending power. That is a couple of sessions worth of increased spending power at the least so the fx is important.[/QUOTE]The fx is not at all important since I cannot do anything about it. In March 2013 I could look far and wide and will not have found an exchange booth selling bath at 32 to the dollar. If you cannot do anything about it, it is not worth worrying about.
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[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1471735]The fx is not at all important since I cannot do anything about it. In March 2013 I could look far and wide and will not have found an exchange booth selling bath at 32 to the dollar. If you cannot do anything about it, it is not worth worrying about.[/QUOTE]Well we do have a vote every 4 years. The last one in 2012 was real important.
In general though I do agree with you. There is nothing much we can do about the rising cost of girls in Asia. I am going to keep playing and that is all there is to it. But some guys will have to move on to other countries (Africa ?), or cut back on quantity or quality.
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[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo; 1471741]Well we do have a vote every 4 years. The last one in 2012 was real important.
In general though I do agree with you. There is nothing much we can do about the rising cost of girls in Asia. I am going to keep playing and that is all there is to it. But some guys will have to move on to other countries (Africa?) , or cut back on quantity or quality.[/QUOTE]Isn't there a word for that. Like inflation or something. Your investments & or salary increases are supposed to keep up with that.
The good news, though, is that as you age you'll get to a point where the mojo is progressively lost, or you get bored doing the same thing all the time, or you get some game, or get into a real relationship, or learn how to please yourself, or any combination of the above money savers.
After having banged stunners galore & done everything imaginable with them, for years on end, I think one might get to the point of being very selective & not all that interested, unless there was something extremely tempting, as in mind blowing, on the table.
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[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1471774]After having banged stunners galore & done everything imaginable with them, for years on end, I think one might get to the point of being very selective & not all that interested, unless there was something extremely tempting, as in mind blowing, on the table.[/QUOTE]I've lived and mongered in SE Asia for my whole adult life, over 30 years now, so I guess I fit your description. And you're right, I have gotten pretty selective. These days for me it's all about quality over quantity. So yes, I guess I spend less on our hobby than I used to, though it's still plenty (and to quote George Best, the rest of my money I just waste).
I just hope I never get so jaded that I lose interest. With luck in another 30 years if there's still a Soi 6 and you see some impossibly old geezer trying to climb up the stairs with some 19-year-old, that'll be me.
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[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1471212]Here are various shots that I just took along Beach Road. Last night the girls were sitting on stacks of bricks or on top of the chair stacks that the vendors had locked up. There were plenty of women out. It is business as usual. For motorbike riders, as I took these pictures a few minutes ago I did count 5 police officers stationed throughout Beach Road from Pattaya Klang to Pattaya Tai giving out tickets.[/QUOTE]thanks mr E!
So the promenade not completely gone, maybe 25-35, but still quite a wide area, less or little seating, so guess I will have to catch the ladies while they are strolling too.
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[QUOTE=Otari;1471578]Are the prices that you are mentioning for the bar girls? This means that you should pay 700 (1500 for LT) baht for the girl + 300 baht for the room + bar fine + tip (optional). You don't mention the bar fine. Does it mean that for those girls the price for a girl includes the bar fine? Or you are referring to freelancers?[/QUOTE]Soi 6 is slightly unusual in that you are not taking the girl from the premises, so the bar-fine is the room charge ie that is the money the house makes. So I typically pay 1000 baht in total for ST. The attraction of Soi 6 is that simplicity. 1000 baht plus perhaps a drink or two. Like I say, you can make it more complicated by taking the girl out, which works out at 500 baht after 10pm or 700 baht before 10pm. You then pay the girl what you think is fair, and my personal calculation is about 700 baht per shag. I'm a very old man, so overnight is 2 x 700 = 1500 baht. Sometimes I'll take a girl earlier, and go for dinner or drinks in the evening, so she might get 3 x 700 = 2000 baht. You get the idea.
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[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1471774]Isn't there a word for that. Like inflation or something. Your investments & or salary increases are supposed to keep up with that.[/QUOTE]Well yes, but inflation is not an automatic fact of life. We just happen to live in an era when it is more or less accepted. I don't know what the real rate of inflation is in Thailand. I think in Japan the economy has been deflating the past few years, ie prices getting cheaper.
Anyway, nobody likes paying more than they were paying 12 months ago, so I will resist the push to 1000 baht ST in Soi 6, but not to the point of spoiling my vacation. But realistically, if after a week here I have spent at most Ł100 more than anticipated, I won't have to remortgage my house.
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Thank you very much Mouse 1 for your explanation
[QUOTE=Mouse1;1471840]Soi 6 is slightly unusual in that you are not taking the girl from the premises, so the bar-fine is the room charge ie that is the money the house makes. So I typically pay 1000 baht in total for ST. The attraction of Soi 6 is that simplicity. 1000 baht plus perhaps a drink or two. Like I say, you can make it more complicated by taking the girl out, which works out at 500 baht after 10pm or 700 baht before 10pm. You then pay the girl what you think is fair, and my personal calculation is about 700 baht per shag. I'm a very old man, so overnight is 2 x 700 = 1500 baht. Sometimes I'll take a girl earlier, and go for dinner or drinks in the evening, so she might get 3 x 700 = 2000 baht. You get the idea.[/QUOTE]I'm planning my trip to Pattaya, therefore those newbie's questions.
How long is the usual ST in Soi 6? Is 300 baths per 1 hour? Does girls expect 1 cum and you have to go or you have, let's say 2-3 yours with reloading time?
Is this true what I'm saying below?
1) Walking street highlight are bars girls ('take away' to your hotel approach: bar fine + money for a girl) and freelancers (obviously 'take away' approach). The scene there is similar to Angeles City in Philippines.
2) The best of Soi 6 is 'in house' consumption (similar to MPs) – money for the room + money for a girl.
3) For good and diversify massage possibilities, the best idea is to go to Bangkok.
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Soi 6,
Lets just go back around 3 years ago, I did most of my ST there since I had a few regulars. At that time it was in a decline with lots of shop closing. The opinions were it was dying a slow death?
Around 2 years ago a group of guys took it apon themselves to try to save Soi 6, First they open up Nightwish, took over Skybar and recently this year open Pussy club. They promoted their clubs through another forum and threw a bunch of parties creating website for their bars. The biggest things they did was bring in more girls and actually instruction and monitor that they try to provide a specific service and try to provide what customers wanted along with a party type atmosphere. From what I saw they succeeded which got the Soi going again bring in new talent along with higher prices.
Beginning of the year I went down to see what the hype was about also to see the changes on the Soi, the Soi was certainly more alive. I walked the length a few times before going in to check them out. As noted, I saw NW, Skybar were very busy compared to the others. Pussy Club was having its Pre-Grand opening that same night. Can't remember the clubs I visited but the first one it was dead but the girl told me 400 BF and 1, 000, Second one was 350/1000 baht, after that I decided to go to Nightwish since I spotted the famous Ning from D. D. Who I had known. She filled me in that it was 350/1000 for all three of their clubs after a drink with her I went to Pussy Club, it was pretty much dead, but went back next time with a friend and the girl told me 350/1000, over a drink we talked and I told her I can get LT, where I live for 1, 000 baht and I would have to nearly kick them out because they wouldn't leave. She said laughing quoting in English " old shit " and after a good laugh she came down to 700 but I wasn't there to partake just to get information. Next time I went she was gone.
I checked out Skybar all the same 350/1000, decided to check out the other one's surrounding these three bars. Here is basically what I got. Nearly every girls I spoke when I ask and we talked that I was use to paying 300/700 without a problem the only time I paid 1, 000 was if the girl did 3 holes and gave me GFE along with a nice massage. They responded that clubs like Nightwish are asking for 350/1000 and the girls are getting it so that is what we should charge for BF etc. I look around each of these clubs and they didn't have the customers that these clubs had and I ask the girl how many customer have you had today many were Zero and a few only had 1, and it was already 10pm, and as we know the majority of them close at 1am.
Just the other night it was 3:30am, I was cruising on my bike and went down Soi 6, for the hell of it. 99. 9% were closed accept Nightwish which I heard the owner has a contact to allow him to open late as long as he kept the light off the place although small was packed. In April of this year I went by Pussy club and saw Ning who normally works at Nightwish, stopped to have a drink and chat and ask why she was working PC, said not enough girls so she is helping out. Ended up taking her ST but we had to go back down NW since PC was closing for the evening.
So, comes success for some clubs and the Thai way at times is to increase the prices although the real definition of Inflation doesn't really have anything to do with the increase. As many are asking and getting 1000, you still can 700 throughout Soi 6, you just let to work on it a little more which of course is a individual choice or not?
When I go to Soi 6, I'm not there to drink and party so if prices are going up and too much work I will pass too many options in Pattaya. As I reported the other week. 4am cruising I was on Soi Honey, decided to get a oily, found a cutie better than anything I have seen on Soi 6, although a weak oil, she gave more than I expected and did a much better job licking LBM, with FS than the famous Ning at NW, left happy all for 1, 000 baht although it was on the floor on a mat with people next down, didn't bother me a bit.
LBM
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So true!
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1471876]Soi 6, Around 2 years ago a group of guys took it apon themselves to try to save Soi 6, First they open up Nightwish, took over Skybar and recently this year open Pussy club. They promoted their clubs through another forum and threw a bunch of parties creating website for their bars. The biggest things they did was bring in more girls and actually instruction and monitor that they try to provide a specific service and try to provide what customers wanted along with a party type atmosphere. From what I saw they succeeded which got the Soi going again bring in new talent along with higher prices.
LBM[/QUOTE]This is true, I remember it being quite dull in 2009, my cherry trip. These clubs you mentioned have loaded 100's of pics of their parties on the addicts, soi 6 threads. Good marketing on their part.
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1471876]after that I decided to go to Nightwish since I spotted the famous Ning from D. D. Who I had known. She filled me in that it was 350/1000 for all three of their clubs after a drink with her I went to Pussy Club, it was pretty much dead, but went back next time with a friend and the girl told me 350/1000, over a drink we talked and I told her I can get LT, where I live for 1, 000 baht and I would have to nearly kick them out because they wouldn't leave. She said laughing quoting in English " old shit " and after a good laugh she came down to 700 but I wasn't there to partake just to get information.
LBM[/QUOTE]Ning is Legend, is she a 3 holer. Does anyone have update on the 6 up bar above Pook, is it still running.
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[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1471876]Soi 6,
Nearly every girls I spoke when I ask and we talked that I was use to paying 300/700 without a problem the only time I paid 1, 000 was if the girl did 3 holes and gave me GFE along with a nice massage. They responded that clubs like Nightwish are asking for 350/1000 and the girls are getting it so that is what we should charge for BF etc. I look around each of these clubs and they didn't have the customers that these clubs had and I ask the girl how many customer have you had today many were Zero and a few only had 1, and it was already 10pm, and as we know the majority of them close at 1am.[/QUOTE]Sorry, LBM, are you saying that Nightwish and similar have the customers, or the other way round?
I don't think I have ever been in Nightwish, or if I have I probably politely walked out after hearing the prices. For what it's worth, I just came from Ruby Club and the girl was happy with 700 baht. She could have earned a tip; nice enough girl but her service was nothing out of the ordinary. I am picking up another regular tonight and anticipate paying 500 + 1500 baht. I'll let you know.
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Aerobics
Does anyone know where the aerobics class has gone, that used to be at the bottom of Soi 6 around 6-7pm? I used to enjoy watching it.
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[QUOTE=Mouse1; 1471940]Sorry, LBM, are you saying that Nightwish and similar have the customers, or the other way round?
I don't think I have ever been in Nightwish, or if I have I probably politely walked out after hearing the prices. For what it's worth, I just came from Ruby Club and the girl was happy with 700 baht. She could have earned a tip; nice enough girl but her service was nothing out of the ordinary. I am picking up another regular tonight and anticipate paying 500 + 1500 baht. I'll let you know.[/QUOTE]Out of all the clubs now on Soi 6, the three I hear about most which seem to be also the most popular with customer but in my opinion a much younger crowd. As you mention Ruby club which I know well one of my regulars were there which is gone out of the business now. Most of the girls at the three clubs have no problem asking and getting the 1, 000 baht, from the customers but I'm sure there are some if not many that might get it at the old price. The only girl I took was Ning and it would be stupid of me to offer 700, personally knowing her history I couldn't even say 700Bath. All three clubs now are open and I more of a guy that likes to hide in dark corners.
My experience was early this year and in April, I'm sure by now those same girls thinking they can ask for 1, 000 baht because these 3 clubs the girls are getting it most likely after all these months might be coming back to earth. My final opinion is most likely you are going to be quoted 1, 000 but it doesn't mean you got to pay it just like the go go's. It is up to you a experience guy like you will have no problem smoothly getting the girls to take 700/1500, what I can't help you with is the aerobics class?
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Beach Road
Just back from my evening jog along Beach Road, and before I collapsed with heat exhaustion I noticed that there are a series of bolts embedded in the pavement. They are arranged in a small square, in groups of three, about 1m apart in a straight line.
I'll bet a pound to a penny these are the fixing points for a series of concrete benches, yet to be installed. The ladies will be pleased.
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Soi 6 Pricing
[QUOTE]Are the prices that you are mentioning for the bar girls? This means that you should pay 700 (1500 for LT) baht for the girl + 300 baht for the room + bar fine + tip (optional). You don't mention the bar fine. Does it mean that for those girls the price for a girl includes the bar fine? Or you are referring to freelancers?[/QUOTE]The last few posts have talked about prices for a short time session with a Soi 6 girl, which takes place upstairs at the bar where she works. As others have noted, for years the price was 700 to the girl and 300 to the bar. (Plus drinks and a tip, if you choose. And I'm not going to get into the price for taking a girl back to your hotel, either long time or short, because that varies somewhat.)
Recently the girls are asking for 1000, and some bars (usually the ones with nicer renovated rooms) are asking 350 for the short-term lodging. Going from 1000 all-in to 1350 represents a 35 percent increase. I hope this attracts hotter girls to Soi 6. If so, I won't have a problem with a USD $11 increase.
On the other hand, I won't be wild about paying 35 percent more for the same experience with the same girls. When I arrive in December I plan to make the decision in real time. If the girl strikes my fancy and I'm in one of the bars with the renovated rooms, I'll probably pay the higher prices. If not, I'll counter at the old price and see what happens, perhaps leaving a tip if the girl does a good job.
Bunky
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New Promenade
[QUOTE=Mouse1; 1471962]Just back from my evening jog along Beach Road, and before I collapsed with heat exhaustion I noticed that there are a series of bolts embedded in the pavement. They are arranged in a small square, in groups of three, about 1m apart in a straight line.
I'll bet a pound to a penny these are the fixing points for a series of concrete benches, yet to be installed. The ladies will be pleased.[/QUOTE]The new promenade is okay up to Soi 12 or 13. You can say it is even better than before. But the closer it gets to Walking Street, the narrower it becomes. At some points it is not two meters wide. There it really sucks.
Another aspect is the three lane thing. It is just stupid. The influx of cars and buses was already too big before to be able to pass the bottleneck at the end of beach road without causing a traffic jam. Now it has gotten even worse because of the three lanes.
I tell you why they did this stupidity. Construction projects are an excellent opportunity for corrupt officials and politicians to collect a lot of money.
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[QUOTE=Bunky; 1472075]The last few posts have talked about prices for a short time session with a Soi 6 girl, which takes place upstairs at the bar where she works. As others have noted, for years the price was 700 to the girl and 300 to the bar. (Plus drinks and a tip, if you choose. And I'm not going to get into the price for taking a girl back to your hotel, either long time or short, because that varies somewhat.)
Recently the girls are asking for 1000, and some bars (usually the ones with nicer renovated rooms) are asking 350 for the short-term lodging. Going from 1000 all-in to 1350 represents a 35 percent increase. I hope this attracts hotter girls to Soi 6. If so, I won't have a problem with a USD $11 increase.
On the other hand, I won't be wild about paying 35 percent more for the same experience with the same girls. When I arrive in December I plan to make the decision in real time. If the girl strikes my fancy and I'm in one of the bars with the renovated rooms, I'll probably pay the higher prices. If not, I'll counter at the old price and see what happens, perhaps leaving a tip if the girl does a good job.
Bunky[/QUOTE]This is very wise decision in my opinion. There are always going to be cheap charlies and guys that come for holidays that just don't care. I come to a point in life to try to let people do what they want without judging them it doesn't work all the time at least with me but this is how I try to think now.
Whether it is Soi 6, or not, take each situation, each case, each girl, each venue, whatever / whenever a person chooses but thinking or demanding it has to be a specific way because that is the way it always been. Making decisions and coming to the middle is the best way to go and if it works for you and you have a good time that is why a person comes and even stays.
LBM
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[QUOTE=Pimpa; 1472080]The new promenade is okay up to Soi 12 or 13. You can say it is even better than before. But the closer it gets to Walking Street, the narrower it becomes. At some points it is not two meters wide. There it really sucks.
Another aspect is the three lane thing. It is just stupid. The influx of cars and buses was already too big before to be able to pass the bottleneck at the end of beach road without causing a traffic jam. Now it has gotten even worse because of the three lanes.
I tell you why they did this stupidity. Construction projects are an excellent opportunity for corrupt officials and politicians to collect a lot of money.[/QUOTE]This is so true corruption corruption articles have been written over and over again. Even surveys regarding corruption the Thai feel it is okay as long as it has benefits. Three years ago there was a article in BKK Post estimating 200 Billion is lost to corruption it must be double by now?
From the corruption of doing a study whether it should be done to actually doing the project it goes on and on. Months before they started the road expansion they spent millions on trimming the trees from Walking Street all the way up to the top locals complaint about the shade being gone and the mongers complaint about that the FL, will be gone? Months later as things quiet down the so call study ended and they started the work when all they had to do was come up with a plan to limit the number of motorbike rentals operators or bike being rented or move them to the otherside to the promenade which they all had to do when the construction started. No one complaint about why the same trees were trim when they are being pull out of the ground now?
The problem areas were very clear to any unprofessional like ourselves, Buses with large tour groups double parked around the A-1 Hotel up from Soi 6, constantly loading and unloading groups to the beach. The bottle neck at the end of Pattaya Klang and Beach road due to two large motorbike rentals operators just outside Soi 7/8, along with Songthaws coming down Pattaya Klang and Beach Road all stopping to fight for customers in one place while the BIB a few feet away on Soi 9, doing their corruption stops on Farangs, then after that you got Central festival again another bottle neck. Thereafter you got Mike shopping and Royal Garden bottle neck and finally you get to the end, which they decide to cone off the left for the Songthaws to pick up customer that leaves one lane for everyone else to fight over.
When I come down Beach Road each day I have to admit they have done a good job how fast they have done this project. I like to bash the official regularly in the Pattaya Mail Newspaper but I must admit the widen of the road isn't as bad since it was done in low season. But just the othernight, the area around Soi 7/8 there was still a bottle neck, the area in front of Mikes a long bottle neck with Songthaw weaving for lane to lane stopping for customers and of course they could never do anything at the end. All this money spent because too scare too much corruption to tell the Mafia to move the motorbikes.
High season is here or coming, the trees and the benches will be put back but one will have less space but the girls will return just the other night cruising I came to the bottleneck at Mikes and plenty of girls sitting looking for customers they adjust they will come back and so will the traffic jams since they have plans for concerts, Loy Krathong, tents with ventor. Events to bring in the tourist for the upcoming holidays like everything most problems here are self inflicted!
Enjoy, LBM
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6 Days 5 nights during Rainy August in Words Part 1
i had a trip to london coming up in july, was real excited. did all my planning but then it was cancelled. where else can i go at short notice to make use of these 5 days of eid holidays. this was not like me, booking a ticket 2 weeks ahead. checked my airmiles balance and it was showing a handsome figure, converted them into vouchers and walked in with full confidence to the travel agent. he asks me have you tried etihad, they are the lowest i can get you, will be 700 dollars, i remind him i am going to bangkok, not jfk. no my friend, this is the cheapest you can get. ok brother, book it, gave him 600 in vouchers and 100 in cash. the trip is on, spent the next few weeks working out how to bring some economy to this trip. decided to go back to jasmine, in soi bj. booked superior for 900 baht a night and transfer with bell. my colleagues at workhave noticed this new vigor and excitement, god bless they are not aware what the true purpose of my visit is.
14, 13, 12, 11, 10, 9,8, 7,6, 5,4, 3,2, 1.
you know how difficult it is, you have felt the same, this constant clock which ticks in your brain.
day 0.
finally the day arrives and i am transferred by bus to abu dhabi. my first time at the airport, flash my card and get into the lounge, super buffet they have got on there. tank full, now for the flight. ignore the duty free completely, the indian ladies are trying watches, the falangs filling suitcases with cigarettes, same sights. different airport. suddenly i get this urge for a cigarette, and am directed to the food court, while being reminded that the boarding gates close 30 min. bla bla. get there, and its quite nicely done, more like a lounge.
rush back to reach the waiting area for the flight, and man it is packed, no chance for an upgrade, this is not my territory, have been lucky with emirates or gulf air. a few steps before boarding i get a peep into the cockpit, a fit blonde and a baldy (no offence) are going to fly this bird. finally, make it into the flight. have a window, with 2 blokes from stuttgart marking out their lonely planets. the plane is a bloody sauna, thats why boarding late is always a great idea. a good 40 minutes later, we are in the air, things are cooling down. i have a few bits of the otherwise inedible on-board meal and dream off. the germans are busy watching a movie on their ipads. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
day 1.
my dream at 35, 000 feet (how do i know, wait its coming) is interrupted by the usual chime of the weather forecast, altitude and temperature by the captain. i think this is the airline equivalent of mama's wake up for school. i reluctantly open one eye to scan the environment. german 1 has notoriously laid his head to rest on my shoulder, cho chweeet. i wriggle forward, acting to open the tray, waking him up. a few seconds have only passed that these blinding cabin lights coming on all at one. i hastily get out of my seat to avoid the boxing day sale queue at the toilets. i freshen up and get out of the bog in around 4 minutes flat, and receive these cold stares from the 8 odd guys lined up for release. anyways, back to my seat and my german row mates are back to their lonely planets, they ask me about my trip and how many times i have come to thailand. i reply thrice, so they pass me their lp and ask me some details on the text of khao san road. i politely reply, i have never been there to their utter disbelief. luckily the breakfast trolley arrives which saves me from any further questions. as i swallow the orange juice, i open the window to have a peep. i fail to see the ground, its all clouds and milky white to the horizon. finish the breakfast and fill the landing card. a few minutes later we are on the ground.
as i reach the airway bridge, there are these sweet promo staff giving out happy tourist sim cards, what a wonderful thought. i ask them if they have one for the iphone, and they reply i could pick one from the arrival hall by showing them the same. what a good start, saved me 140 baht already. rush to the gate on the ground floor and present my bell travel print out, am given a sticker and led to the waiting area where some local staff are having coffee and eats. also notice a big contingent of indian families, with strollers, kids and even grandparents enroute to pattaya. myyyyyy godddd! i am scared to death if one of them asked me any more questions, so i quickly head back to level 1 to get my iphone sim. i do a quick end to end terminal walk to check out the crowd. see a big group of sweeties holding brazilian passports, wouldn't it be fun to join up with them to some deserted island. end of dream sequence, its 9:40 am, i stop admiring their bunda perfection and head back to board the bus.
i am the last to board the bus, finishing my cigarette glancing around for any cops. the area says no-smoking, but its lined with cigarette butts. as per my calculations, i am heading to a last row seat on the big bus. now, luckily for me this bus is overbooked so another small white van also run by bell parks up behind. the bell guy, says to me: you go there! a few smiles and a 20 baht to the driver. he asks me join him in the front of the van to me delight. now we can head off, headphones out, ministry of sound chillout on, we are off! finally at around 12:30, i am deposited at soi bj. walking street at daytime is another site, baccara has its beer being delivered and the massage touts are aimlessly dozing in stools and along the kerb. i make my wee walk and check-in. am promised a 3rd floor room, let us see if the economics pays off. this one is spacious, and past a few building i can see the sea. i decide to do a quick shower and do a quick our of town. exchange my money, have lunch at cf food court which is always clean and edible.
its 3 pm and i take a beach road walk. the clouds and sun are playing hide and seek which in turn is giving me a bloody sweat. get onto the next baht bus and collapse in my bed. a few minutes later, am reminded by junior below of a pressing urge. quickly make an in call booking for 5 pm with dd and leave the phone on vibrate. trshhhhhhhh trshshh, the phone vibrates my pillow, your choice is not available, but miss x, you e, i are available. boorishly reply to a one of them and pass out. an hour and forty six minutes later another set of knocks resonate in my head. i dismiss the first set, which are followed by another. shit. my take away has arrived. i quickly glance at my watch its only 4:50 pm, she is before time, airlines take a bow to the dd planners for on time performance. examine the state of the room and tidy up the bed. rush towards the door and welcome miss p inside. these first few moments are very precious and awkward, both of us observing each other for the first time. she places her bag on the dresser and passes me a pristine white envelope with a whiter paper with my invoice and details, great job dd. i make a mental note to destroy all this incriminating evidence after she leaves, lest it sneaks back all the way home. i pass her the cash and she places it back in her bag.
she moves to the bed and lays out her toolkit: cd's, ky, dildo's, mouthwash, shampoo etc. she ushers me to the shower, and starts undressing with me following suit. during the brief walk i admire her fitness, sweet face, thick thighs and completely trimmed honey pot. shower completed, i ask her to clean my ass thoroughly as i wanted some deep action today. out of the shower, she asks me what do you want, i just drop the towel and ask her to blow me. she drops down to her knees and gives me a proper dyson suck. she does a great job of that, a true master, aren't they all at dd. i lose track of time, this is so good, i ask her to take a break and get on to the bed. ask her to rim from with me being a doggie for a change. she offers a dildo with a condom in me, which i politely decline. back to the bj, i am about to explode. i keep changing positions to prolong this session. now i am standing on the bed, and finish with a big smile, designing a nice face painting with my love juice. due to the overdose, she rushes to the toilet for a proper scrub. i light up and switch on the tv and leave it on at low volume for the next round, the bed is near the door and i don't want to entertain the passersby and neighbors.
she is back with a smile and sits up on the bed, i ask her to lie down next to me. time for some pillow talk. i tell her i really admire her particular job, as it personally takes a lot of courage to go to a strangers room who you haven't even seen. we share some stories, go go girls, pattaya in general, etc. as you are very well aware, dd is a wysiwyg outfit, so i will skip the rest of the action. she did whatever i asked, sometimes looked a bit tired and unenthusiastic but i understood her well. so never rushed her, and took good breaks in between the sessions and made sure she went back smiling with a small tip for her purse.
i kill the next 5 minutes checking the damage to the bed, two towels are ridden with spit and love juice, so i trash them and head to balcony. there is a thunder storm building, in the distance i can see a ship glittering in a distance. i rush to my bag to get the camera out, the first picture baby lumix takes is a collection of dots, my eyes don't believe the camera and shoot again and still get these funny dots, aaah it's on manual. another click, much better, what could this be, loos so commercial, must be some floating restaurant in p bay.
i leave the door open and switch the air con off. a quick shower and now it's coming down and heavy, all my fatigue moves deeper inside my body at the sight of rain. it has been almost 6 months since i saw one, so i am glued to the scene like a school boy. my left hand realises it is missing something, yes it's the coffee. i rush to the reception with my coffee cup to get hot water. believe it or not there is a cooker, stove and utensils but no kettle at jasmine. i smile at the receptionist mentioning i am only borrowing water, and have my own coffee. back in my '1 more step or you are history balcony', parts of the curtain are getting wet, i push them aside with a stool against the wall and light up another davidoff. people are running at the bottom of the soi, ws has people lined up against the gg's for shelter.
coffee is done, body craves for a repeat but the trek down seems distant. lay back on the bed and flick on the tv, condo ads, plots for sale, what is this channel, off. close my eyes and swap to a cooler pillow, zzzzzzzz. wake up at around 9, check my appearance and am out the door. ws has not changed a bit, same old same old. get to the mc d on beach road, really wanted get some pork into my system. they call it the samurai burger, great job mc d marketing.
squeeze into a table, lots of young couples and tourists make up the floor, take my first bite and realise did i forget my ketchup or they didn't serve me. no i didn't, they just don't gift you the 2 packets as default like in the middle east. i am relieved i just have to walk across and fill them up from the squeeze me bottle, what a relief after paying 50 cents in amsterdam for every sachet a few months back and a euro to use the toilet, what a rip off. walk off with half of my upsized pepsi still in hand back to the strip, my mind doing quick calculations which place should i hit first.
enter walking street, it has filled up in the past hour. i don't want to spoil my first night by a push back at baccara or fahrenheit, it happens sometimes, and my color does not help either. so i decide on heaven above at soi diamond. as soon as i make my turn into sd, i see these two chaps with small plackards for cheap draft coaxing me inside.
i try to brush them, but big daddy with the pony tail near the entrance calls me towards him. he opens the curtain to show me a glimpse inside, i can't see shit, and what i see inside is not that great. the only think notable is a something in a two piece with braces with and gorgeous dimples next to the door. i give her a big smile and she gives me the folded hands and says you go innnnnnn.
55 baht sounds fine and it was early, only 10pm, will save me the from the terminal sin of barfining early. so i head right in and find me a seat with a good vantage point. part of the seating is blocked by these floor columns so i move to the right hand side of the bar next some japs with heir cuddlies. the draft is served, and its finished in two gulps, man these glasses are small. as a rule, i never order myself unless reminded by the staff, after all we have to support their employment. the second round arrives and i ask the service girl to send miss braces.
she speaks well for her self, and we make small talk. get her a drink while some girls are busy pouring soap on themselves. the soap is dry on and they come over asking for tips, i give me 20 each and get back to miss braces. she says, maaii turn to daance nuw. nothing i can do about that and god bless, saved me the lady drink. she takes stage and another older mama with a great fit body who was eyeing me earlier starts idling near my table. i chose to ignore her and enjoy my second drink while fantasizing about miss braces. its 11 pm and this dance round isgoing on and on. considering the close distance i decide to move on to ha blowing a kiss to miss b.
heaven above, lots of rain below. ha is buzzing with activity, lots of punters everywhere. spot this super-hot-dusky thing in a classy dress on the way in, make a mental note for later. the service girls get me a stool on the left side near the bar. the spot is good and bad in the same way, people are walking past and so are the ladies. get my usual vodka and juice and try to make eye contact. unfortunately 80% of the lineup is facing the other side where a big gang is seated. i finish my drink in a hurry and make a plan to get back post at around 1 am.
come outside and see its raining, start walking and take shelter at the carousel. decide to get back to the room and rest for a while as ws is unwalkable and lazily doze off. no sweat, the dd girl had given me 2 hours of bliss, time to rest and recharge my batteries proper for tomorrow.
day 2
wake up around nine am, perfect. its 6 in dubai, my usual wake up time so there will be no significant sleep adjustment required going forward. a quick gargle and i am down at the reception, again pouring my hot water. my first plan is to buy a kettle, engrave it and donate it them for my sole use only on future trips. was praying some rogue staff was running his private kettle rental racquet, but there wasn't. if any of you other folks have been made any offers do pm me immediately.
freshened up, i start my walk and reach the 2nd road intersection. get a pair of whites from the towl man and stove them into my daypack. some will wonder why i buy my towels, i generally don't but jasmine's are blue in color so i just don't trust them no matter how nice they smell and clean they appear plus i think thai cotton products are real good value. hop on to the baht bus, ring-ring. 10 baht through the window and i am in s d. head to the billabong for their all day breakfast. the place is empty, only one more customer, and for that matter most of slkm. eat my breakfast slowly and clean the entire plate. do an extended walk to digest this heavy dose, and end up at cf. enter through the ground floor, the perfume section and check out some new launches. find james franco gazing at me, with gucci's new fragrance called,"made to meausure". take a sniff and find it too bland and the bottle plain ugly. the salesman obviously doesn't think so, and goes on and on telling me it is a bestseller bla bla. personally, i think gucci has lost it since tom ford left, period. try out a few more sections, they are all over priced compared to home, so spray a few sticks and stove them in my wallet. these will be later distributed within my clothes for obvious reasons. walk past the usual unknown brand sales set up in the atrium and head straight up to electronics.
nothing to my fancy, so decide to flip a coin between a soapy and a movie. heads for soapie, tails for movie. and as you will all agree with me, you should always listen to your head. a little walk later i am at honeys mp. the line-up was seriously disappointing, perhaps i went too early and i am out in 10 minutes. get onto the first moto taxi and do a one stop deal, mike shopping so i can get some fruits and later to my hotel. the bike fella has seen me coming out of honey and recommends me rasputin. i ditch the earlier plan for fruits and head to rasputin for some desert. no charge to the bike fella, he will get his commission. this place really amazes me at its size, luckily the place is near empty and there around 30 ladies in the fish bowl. the elderly and busty ones make immediate eye contact, i smile back. find myself a tallish looking lady with a deep cleavage on the left. call papasan, make the payment and we head up to the room.
coming out of the elevator this had the make and feel of a star hotel with corridors with no end in sight. the room was spacious and clean, with this jacuzzi on the right as you enter followed by the bed. my new friend for the day was called nam, from udon. 24 years of age, flawless skin, slim body with perk tits. she asked me to undress while she got the jacuzzi going. i followed and waited naked on the edge of the bed for further instructions. she goes near the door and switches off the main bedroom lights. i wonder what this is all about and am about to find out. i reach the water and check the temperature, its perfect and there is this eerie red and yellow glow from the jacuzz in lighting, groovy. enter the warm water was a relief to my tired body, she followed suit a minute later and starting pouring water over my body. i retract my legs to get her a bit closer and urge for a kiss which she provides with an open mouth. we stay lip locked for a few minutes, the water rising slowly and submerging our bodies. she asks me to move back and rest my head at the back of the tub and starts rolling over me. here i am 3000 miles from home, trying under water gymnastics, brilliant. after a few rounds of the repeated up and down moves, i lock her near my head and kiss her again. i can feel junior springing to attention, and ask her to blow me. she obliges while i sink back closing my eyes, enjoying the multiocolor glow outside my eyes like in a predator film. mid way she says, we better move to the bed, you can finish only once. i tell her i can pay her extra, to which replies, can't do mister. i stand up, while she rinses off all the remaining foam off my body. she dries me again outside the tub, she come out dripping wet.
i return back to the bed and lie right in the middle looking up at the ceiling, waiting for her to join me. she looks great with her towel on which i ask her to retain. she ends up on the bed and i do some pillow talk, her life, family, story in pattaya, etc. i light up a cigarette too, which she doesn't appreciate, so i put it out. i pull her face closer, pillow to pillow and slowly remove her towel. her damp body feels great in my hand so i decide to give her a top to bottom lick. she reciprocates by a blow again, followed by a good ride. i grasp her and bring her below me for some deep mish followed by the statutory release of love juice in the confines of the cdom.
she gets up instantly and goes for a wash and i finish that 9/10th of a cigarette in the tray. she calls out for me to come and wash and she dries me with another towel. i ask her for a picture but she refuses. i don't insist and plant a kiss on her cheek with a 200b extra in her palm. walk hand in hand down the elevator, and back to the main auditorium. i am a bit thirsty and ask the papasan in the suit if i could some drinking water which he orders for me. i just stand behind the main row of sofa's where i notice some fresh faces and a big troupe of indian in their shorts collecting and counting bahts. i wish they built these things like a cinema, tickets and popcorn on the way in and a quiet exit out the back. nevermind, i finish my water and head out the door. picking up some brochures, including a big one for rasputin itself which is one of the things i risked bringing back home for a souvenir. asked the reception people on what is on the right hand side of the main hall, they inform me that it some some vvip club of sorts which starts at night. step out and the daylight brings me back to reality, find my bearings, there is no body in sight, turn right and follow a narrow road out to beach road.
do a brisk walk along beach road all the way to central festival thanks to the cloud cover and nice early evening breeze. notice all types of gentry on the way and wished they do a proper clean up of the pathway and some of the crazy characters who have made it home of sorts.
am a bit hungry, but can't be asked walking the a length of a soi to get to the food court. settle in the irish pub on the right hand side of cf. perch myself on a really uncomfortable stool outside and enquire if there are any specials. the place is dead, at around 5pm. decide on a guinness and some snacks and resume people watching. hiso's, tourists, families and hawkers make up most of the crowd, my apologies if they are related to people on the forum. it will be dark soon and i need a rest, i settle the tab, get up from the table and continue my walk back to the hotel. i find myself sharing a table with 2 baccara board girls in their black and red. they look at me amusingly, i offer my greetings which get half smiles and they continue gulping down their sticky rice. my food is delivered in those small plastic bags, i feel like i just got myself a fish for my acquarium. papa uses his fingers to tell me how much i have to pay, i just hand them a 100 note and walk off. back in my room, i get the plates ready and a coke and arrange myself dangerously in the narrow balcony. eat the food with my hands, and the curry has some gigantic killer chillies which i remove and keep on the side.
wake up with this strange head ache at around 9pm, all i can hear is the base reverberating from the walkiing street bars. head down to the soi to get my self some dinner. there is this mama-papa joint on the right who make thai food in soi bj. ask them me to make me some fresh green curry with chicken. i am idling in the soi, looking around at objects and taking some random pictures when papa asks me to sit inside their tiny establishment. that was a good meal, i light up my cigarette and ponder over what to wear. decide on linen and boots and have a quick shave and shower. its almost 11 as i reach ws, there is a nice set of legs outside galaxy cabaret, one of them gives me some eye contact, i smile back and spend another 5 minutes just glued to my spot. the band in the rock bar on the left is playing hotel california, i wait for them to finish, give them my fenceline applause and move towards the galaxy girls. a few words of russian with my leggy friend, she complements me on my boots and tries to explain what is inside. i have been there before and don't have any small baht bills to plunder around so enjoy her perfume and say i will be back later. walk past baccara, the 2 girls who i shared the table with are on duty are pleased with my refined look compared to the crumpled t shirt, shorts and flip flop avatar an hour ago. they ask me where you go! i say heaven above. they say, that place small, come here. only if the girls knew my record of push backs at baccara from the door staff. i don't want a repeat so move on, skip past the boys at the entrance of soi diamond and head up straight for heaven above.
stop for a picture, am not getting good vibes from this row of girls near the entrance, they are guessing what on earth am i trying to click and yell out no photo which i chose to ignore. plant and page would appreciate the rendering of their lyrics at such a dandy spot. some times i feel i should leave the camera behind. it is in a way an obnoxious unpunter-iike touristy habit, but can't help it. cover the flight of stairs, stub out my smokes and perch myself a nice seat on the right hand side all to myself. order myself some vodka orange juice, i want this night to last and want minimal trips to the loo. lots of talent on the floor, wait for the shift change to see all the talent. ask for a tall skinny girl with a see through bra and panty, she comes and joins me. do the usual get to know each other chit chat. she gulps her drink in a hurry and keeps her hands on my legs. she wants to call over another friend, i say ok, she also joins us, i rearrange myself so i have a bird on each side. more ld's, don't want to get carried away so ask both the plan for the night. they just nod and say something silly like, we look for nice customer. i am open to either one of them, but make it clear that i can bar-fine only one. time for them to dance, any my turn to get some fresh air, lot of activity near the toilets, lot of girls having their dinner, i need my space so walk down, the door staff want to check if i have paid my tab, i tell them softly i need a little walk. move behind the row of girls still standing near the stairs and sit on the steps of what seems like some hotel.
back inside make some conversation of some new customers who have taken up seats next to me. a good 40 minutes later the girls are back from their dance. i lay out my plan to them in the simplest words i can find, nice slow boom boom, then insomnia, then zzzz, wake up when we wake up, boom boom and then bye bye. the girl who has joined me later looks more excited at the plan, the other one wants only st. i ask for the waitress and say the magic words, bar fine. give her two crisp 1000 notes, stretching them out so there is no confusion. the girl gets up to get changed. the mamasan, the dark and slightly built comes over to hand me back the change. around 400 baht, i tip her and the service a hundred each and stuff 200 down the panty of girl number 1, she gives me a kiss on my lips and moves off. while i am waiting for the girl, another asian customer next to me is having some issue with the waitress, seems he doesn't like the music and wants a cd to be played which he has carried with him. i tell him, he better speak to the dj at the back. my girl arrives and asks me if i am ready, vodka orange juice takes a second to swallow, i am done and we step out for our short walk to the hotel. i make sure i walk on the right hand side of ws, and intentionally stare at the baccara girls. get a few smiles from papa food man, pick my laundry from the reception, into the lift and.
we enter the room and miss b dives into the bed. i open the balcony door for some air, get a breezer and sit on the chair admiring her beautiful frame. she has grabbed most of the bed, lying diagonally, must be tired i think. i ask her if she fancies a foot massage for those tired feet. she raises her head a few inches from the pillow and nods. i get a face towel doused in warm water and give her a gentle scrub to the ankles and feet. move her feet a bit closer to the end of the bed so i can sit with my feet out, have my cigarette with one hand and massage her with the other. continue this for some time, not much words are coming her or sounds of relief. i begin to get worried, that she might just doze off so check the watch again. it's only 1 am, i let her rest move to the middle of the bed and do some accounts in my mini notebook on today's spending. suddenly, i feel these warm hands across my chest, miss b has woken up. she sees the numbers and am sure understood what i was upto. her hair touching my neck was an exquisite feeling. she asks me," why you give me massage, you laav me, here thailand man don't give massage". i reply back, that i thought she needed it.
her head is bobbing on my shoulder and i take advantage of the proximity. turn towards her and close my eyes, we kiss. we continue kissing, more kissing and just some more kissing. i am in no hurry to undress her, have inspected the goods already at the go go. she pulls me out of bed and into the shower undressing quickly. shit, i really enjoy doing that part, never mind i will get her later. she is curious at some of my cosmetics and i recommend she try the d&g body wash. she loves the smell and we give each other a great rub. the hot water runs out every 5 minutes or so we have to time the scrubs.
the kissing continues, all the way back from the shower to the bed. we make out, and go all the way, she is soft and gentle. no fake moans, no nonsense. kisses more when she is turned on, and knows what she wants in bed. this was better than an average boom boom. session done, we continue lazing in bed and watch some tv. she asks me about how much i pay for the room and says price is ok, but better i stay a bit further as girls knowing the short distance would be tempted to pull a runner. i tell her, i don't mind and it has happened before as well, god is watching and whatever happens, happens for good. i lie face down and open up a local magazine which i have brought along. she moves right on top of me and is in a hurry to turn the pages. she says,"your women biutiful". i say yaa, all woman in world biutiful. get up for a smoke, its nearing 3 am, so i ask her about our original plan of going to insomnia. she starts shaking her head like a child, so we head back for a quick shower. dressed and ready, we make the short walk to insomnia. she forgets her i'd at reception, great. she wanted to walk through ibar and see if any of her friends are around. i tell her it's too many "excuse me's" for me to get from one end to the other, so il get a drink and wait at the entrance. join up with some plum fella on the first few tables who is alone with his girl. he turns out be really young, a dane and courteous enough to do some talk rather than the usual first smile and then perpetual silence. miss d comes back and joins me, luckily the dane's girl and her don't know each other. otherwise the usual sidelining will happen with them talking yap yap and swallowing shooters while the only action you get is paying off each round. we decide to move up, and the dane is quite friendly and invites us to the vip which we do. i get the next round, and we are perched on a nice sofa near the bar. do some chit chat, and miss d wants to dance. upstairs just doesn't have the vibe to be dancing so we head down. the river of people carries us right to the middle. it's packed to the hilt and we do our best not to step onto each other or the people adjacent who keep changing with every passing minute. back to the vip, more vodka's, more talk. the dane is has girl sitting on him and getting good lip service. i had no idea you could do this so openly and blink mischievously to miss d. she takes my hand, and we move to the corner against the grill with the dance floor below. she whispers that she is a bit shy at this too, and we get ourselves entangled in a deep snog. junior is getting real excited and we decide to tell goodbye to the dane and head back to our room.
i am hungry again and drop into a 7-11 to get my favorite thai sea weed sandwich. entering the room, i am still not sleepy so spend the next 5 minutes undressing miss d and making love to her with my eyes. more kissing in bed, she asks me for a toothbrush, which i don't have. she gargles and brushes with her teeny fingers and is back in bed. we make love again, this time it doesn't last very long, me that is. we lie back in bed, first holding each other. then me selfishly turning away, lack of practice you see, my mind secretly making plans for the next day's activities.
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Visited the "themepark" a couple of weeks in August, Went out drinking in the bars first night, but since I've spend some time without women I almost felt like 16 again, at a party with you're 20-something friends of you're sister.
So for 3 nights I was only out drinking, chatting and played pool.
The third morning I was sitting in a restaurant to have some breakfast when I noticed a good looking and flirty girl outside a massage parlour on the opposite side of the street, I just felt I have to go there and check her out.
So, after I had finished breakfast I walked over and there she was, looks 9/10, charm / spirit 9/10. She gave me an hour oil massage well Worth the price of 300 B and when she finished I did not hesitate to ask for her number, I just felt that this is the girl who I'm going to do it with for the first time in quite a while.
She finished work 11 pm but I returned 10:45 and we hit the bars, chatted out and played some pool. That night I did not spend alone.
Was kinda little unused to spend the night with a woman and combined with the alcohol well, couldn't finish but shit happens, just go for it again and so we did the following night and by then things Went better.
She was happy with 1000 B the first night (LT) and still happy the second night with only 500 B, maybe she felt I had spend some time without women and wanted to make it up to me in a kind of way I don't know.
I told her I did not like the guesthouse I was staying at and that I was thinking of changing, then she told me I could stay at her place if I wanted to and I accepted.
Now I had both a place to stay, LT and GFE with quite a stunner and spirit who attracted me, for only 1000 B per night, hard to find a better deal I thought.
All in all I think I spend a week with her, but when she got her "Period", and at the same time I may have been starting to like her a little too much I did know I had to leave.
Anyway, she was not all shaved down there which I like a lot with women, the scent of pussy comes easier when they have some pubic hair I think, once you go hair. You'll never go bare.
Then I spend one night alone in a new guesthouse trying to get her out of my mind, it was not the easiest thing but I Think I came quite a bit the second night when I picked up Another massage girl, looks 7/10, personality 8/10 and sexual experience 9/10!
The "usual", bars, drinking and pool for a couple of hours, then we head to the guesthouse.
This girl was also hairy, Bingo! And down I went : p she did not even took a shower and the scent of her pussy sent me straight to heaven, making a rude dog out of me and soon enough I sent her to heaven with my tongue. The rubber got on, she bended over on all fours and the horny dog in me climbed on her with his tongue still hanging out .
She was moaning like she really got going and this must have been one of the best sex I had in my life. 15 min. Later I could not hold on no more and I released my load where it belongs.
Thailand have become my elixyr in Life, when I can't stand it no more back home and the lowseason comes, I know where to go.
I will end this FR with one question I hope someone have any knowledge about.
Due to what I've heard the minimum legal age of girls is 18, am I right?
If so, how come you have such a hard time finding girls who is 18 and 19 in the bars, the youngest I've spoken to in a bar was 20.
If it is legal due to what I've Heard where do you find 18-year Girls?
See you next year Thailand, but then for a whole month.
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[QUOTE=BlygdTuktaren; 1472961]Due to what I've heard the minimum legal age of girls is 18, am I right?
If so, how come you have such a hard time finding girls who is 18 and 19 in the bars, the youngest I've spoken to in a bar was 20.
If it is legal due to what I've Heard where do you find 18-year Girls?
See you next year Thailand, but then for a whole month.[/QUOTE]An interesting post. You are probably more likely to find younger girls in the discos. I wouldn't know as neither interests me.
But just to clear some confusion, Thai girls don't sit around moping and waiting to turn 18 so they can start work as prostitutes. It generally isn't something they or their mothers dream about or plan as a career. Many are forced into it by circumstances, such as loss of their partner, or of course by the realisation after a few years' of work that there is easier money to be made.
Don't know your age, but I suspect most guys here would say you get the best service from girls in their mid-twenties, perhaps older.
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Bravo!
Kudos to Mr. Malaya for a most excellent report. I very much enjoyed reading it.
Bunky
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[QUOTE=Mouse1; 1473197]An interesting post. You are probably more likely to find younger girls in the discos. I wouldn't know as neither interests me.
But just to clear some confusion, Thai girls don't sit around moping and waiting to turn 18 so they can start work as prostitutes. It generally isn't something they or their mothers dream about or plan as a career. Many are forced into it by circumstances, such as loss of their partner, or of course by the realisation after a few years' of work that there is easier money to be made.
Don't know your age, but I suspect most guys here would say you get the best service from girls in their mid-twenties, perhaps older.[/QUOTE]The discos ah okay, I will try those next year.
Ok, yes you are probably right about that, same for me actually, my dream as a teenager was not to have to travel to the other side of the World "just" to get to have sex with good looking girls and "plant my seed" in more than 5. 10 girls for my entire Life, but the years Went by without success with the girls back home, finally I had to realise that I just don't have what it takes (the charm) to pick up girls in the nightclubs back home.
That sucks, but sooner or later I had to accept reality and play with the cards I got in Life, a decent income of money that makes it possible for me to be the guy that get the girls, at least for 2. 4 weeks a year.
I'm in my late-twenties.
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Bar age
due to what i've heard the minimum legal age of girls is 18, am i right?
if so, how come you have such a hard time finding girls who is 18 and 19 in the bars, the youngest i've spoken to in a bar was 20.
if it is legal due to what i've heard where do you find 18-year girls?
see you next year thailand, but then for a whole month.[/quote]
believe the legal age for being on a bar is 20 there, working or not. if they are **** they will still say they are 20.
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[QUOTE=BlygdTuktaren; 1473596]The discos ah okay, I will try those next year.
Ok, yes you are probably right about that, same for me actually, my dream as a teenager was not to have to travel to the other side of the World "just" to get to have sex with good looking girls and "plant my seed" in more than 5. 10 girls for my entire Life, but the years Went by without success with the girls back home, finally I had to realise that I just don't have what it takes (the charm) to pick up girls in the nightclubs back home.
That sucks, but sooner or later I had to accept reality and play with the cards I got in Life, a decent income of money that makes it possible for me to be the guy that get the girls, at least for 2. 4 weeks a year.
I'm in my late-twenties.[/QUOTE]It's not for me to give lonely-hearts advice, but for what it's worth, iit has always baffled me how anyone picks up a girl in a nightclub, or at least a girl that you might want to have a relationship with. Anyway, I guess I got lucky. But these days doesn't that new interweb thing provide 1001 ways to meet interesting girls back home?
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U are welcome
[QUOTE=Bunky; 1473226]Kudos to Mr. Malaya for a most excellent report. I very much enjoyed reading it.
Bunky[/QUOTE]2013 is turning out to be a bumper year, have just finished writing up the rest of the trip from August. New trip to Pattaya commencing on the 4th of October, look out for the live feed.
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[quote=gin and tonic;1473917]believe the legal age for being on a bar is 20 there, working or not. if they are **** they will still say they are 20.[/quote]ok i see. but it's still legal to pay for sex with a girl who is 18 then. if you find one in a disco or somewhere else.
[quote=mouse1;1473925]it's not for me to give lonely-hearts advice, but for what it's worth, it has always baffled me how anyone picks up a girl in a nightclub, or at least a girl that you might want to have a relationship with. anyway, i guess i got lucky. but these days doesn't that new interweb thing provide 1001 ways to meet interesting girls back home?[/quote]yeah, i think we / there are many guys who doesn't succeed with free one-night-stands or more with girls in nightclubs / bars or anywhere.
but, some guys have all the luck when it comes to woman, i had a friend who, when we hit the nightlife, every saturday night he almost always got to spend the night with a good looking girl, next weekend he was on the hunt again and the girls complained about him leaving them after they've slept with him the first night.
at least where i live (sweden) who is a feminist / socialist country, if you, like me, does not really have the charm / social skills, you are pretty much doomed to a lonely life here, at least if you don't want to settle down with a woman who slept around with 50 guys and have a kid at home while you compared to her will almost be a virgin. it's totally acceptable for women here to sleep around with the most charming guys and get pregnant at some point, but since these guys have a lot of women, there are many single mothers who raise their children alone and get full support both socially and financielly from the society from tax money.
naaw, i've tried the internet thing but it's same same as the nightlife. 1/3 of the guys get 2/3 of the women.
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A quick fix at Soi 6
Overnight in Pattaya after a brief meeting on a Friday last week. I walked Soi 6 for the first time in years (like 2001 was the last time). Did my stroll, fight off the aggressive Lady boys here and there, eyes contact with a few young ones as I passed. At around 9pm, the street was practically dead, lots of girls, not too many punters. Walk passed Red Point, and spotted a nice smile and long legs with the come-hither look. Did my 180 and walked in, sat down on the couch, she followed me in and introduced herself. Short tight pink dress, hiked up almost to the round perfect bottom, and I was game. She spoke English very well, and I enjoyed the chat on the couch. The bar has 4 other guys, regulars who came to drink and hang out. Bought her a LD, messed around on the couch until I told her I'm ready. Up we go to the room, brand spanking new, extremely clean, nice towels and very comfortable bed!
She is very friendly, and told me straight up that she would do anything except anal. Fuck me! And well, we did. For 30+ minutes, it was a great fuck with a young and beautiful girl. Price is 1,000 THB, and I believe she will get this price for her hotness. I ain't complaining. There were 2-3 others in the bar that also pushes the hotness look. I like the place.
Place: Red Point Bar.
Name: Aey
Face: 8/10 (very pretty, braces)
Age : late teens early 20s.
Height: 1. 65m (long legs, great round butt)
Body: 9/10 (firmed, flat stomach, shaved, long legs, perfect curve butt, nice feet)
Boobs: Natural B cup. 33ish.
BBJ: 9/10 (deep throat, face-fuck allowed, balls sucking). CIM after all positions!
FJ: 9/10 (Missionary, sideway, power drill, She came during CG)
DATY: allowed, clean, shapely pussy.
Butt: curvy round and fucking awesome during doggy.
GFE: 8/10 (full on French & tongue play, nice soft lips)
Damage: 1,000 THB. 350 THB for brand new very nice room.
WIR: Most definitely!
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[QUOTE=BlygdTuktaren; 1474021]SNIPPED.
Naaw, I've tried the internet thing but it's same same as the nightlife. 1/3 of the guys get 2/3 of the women.[/QUOTE]Ahh. With all due respect maybe it is you. I am not 20 / something like yourself. I am 60 / something and I have more than I can handle and it ain't because of my money or package. Neither is large. Its all in ones attitude!
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[QUOTE=Jgm005;1474072]Ahh. With all due respect maybe it is you. I am not 20 / something like yourself. I am 60 / something and I have more than I can handle and it ain't because of my money or package. Neither is large. Its all in ones attitude![/QUOTE]May be that it's me, or at least that I have a part in it, in that case well, sorry I don't got the same high self-esteem as you did.
Still can't understand what you're doing in a forum about P4P if you have more than you can handle for free, it doesn't make any sense at all if you ask me.
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[QUOTE=BlygdTuktaren;1474021](...) if you, like me, does not really have the charm / social skills, you are pretty much doomed to a lonely life here, at least if you don't want to settle down with a woman who slept around with 50 guys and have a kid at home while you compared to her will almost be a virgin.[/QUOTE]I fail to see what is the problem or do you mean that women should not sleep around, but men are allowed to? Who cares about the 50+ guys she slept around with, as long as she now sleeps with you?
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Pattaya
Will be in Pattaya next month. I go for the fun and the women.
When I was young, I would pull many women out of clubs and would meet them in other places. I then went to Korea and the women were cheap and no drama.
I pesonally don't like dating and don't want to sit around listening to some hags problems when I can be with a hot babe that will fuck my brains out for a little money. Best part afterwards she leaves.
Those that like to date go for it, but I have better relationships with working girls because we know where we stand.
Date a lot, that leaves more P4P for me.
My advice is if you are fucking hot babes for less then the cost of dinner and a movie, you are one of the chosen.
Be happy and enjoy.
Tellall
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Thanks
Hi,
Please allow me to use my first post on this forum to say a huge thank you to those of you that go to incredible efforts to provide such detailed reports of your experiences.
I have been reading this forum for a while, and as a result of the quality information available here am now looking forward to my first mongering "adventure".
I will be visiting Bangkok / Pattaya for three weeks in November and can only hope that I can emulate the standard of reports already posted.
Big thanks!
Jack Spade
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[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1474161]I fail to see what is the problem or do you mean that women should not sleep around, but men are allowed to? Who cares about the 50+ guys she slept around with, as long as she now sleeps with you?[/QUOTE]Well, if you ask me when it comes to relationships I would not want to (try to) settle down with a promiscuos woman, whether she's an ex prostitute or slept around of promiscuity, maybe even worse if it did not involved money, then it's her nature / personality.
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[QUOTE=BlygdTuktaren; 1474111]May be that it's me, or at least that I have a part in it, in that case well, sorry I don't got the same high self-esteem as you did.
Still can't understand what you're doing in a forum about P4P if you have more than you can handle for free, it doesn't make any sense at all if you ask me.[/QUOTE]Hm what does not make sense? I am sure jgm can answer for him self but maby he is like many others members I would think. I think the use of a sexforum in general and ISG in particular does not tell anything regarding how easily guys can pick up girls and vica versa. I think it only tells something about a common interest in life (sex and girls). Knowing a few members I would say my impression from that is that atleast they would have no problem meeting girls in the old fashion way. What attracts us is the freedom in choosing new pussy almost everyday (and we know from reading this forum we have lots of different styles to obtain this).
To do some more or less qualified speculations I would guess all the members in ISG would cover almost all types of human beeings. And for sure there will be some out there having no choice but to deal with P4P (sad for them I might add).
I guess there are many like me as well having no trouble playing in my own backyard (back home) if that was my only option and what I wanted. Beeing a world traveler it is on the other hand convenient for me to use ISG to get some headsup what is cooking around in my next destination. This forum is crowded with good info and it is good entertainment as well. I have enough pussy out there and probably more than I can handle as well. I even have a gf back home. My problem is I have high libido and I get tired from the same pussy after only a few weeks realy. I want new pussy all the time. So even if it might sounds odd, fucking a lot of other pussies out there, makes my gf's stand out as almost new when I return home, hehe. I guess there are others out there with simular thoughts.
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[QUOTE=Skogis;1474227]I think the use of a sexforum in general and ISG in particular does not tell anything regarding how easily guys can pick up girls and vica versa. I think it only tells something about a common interest in life (sex and girls). Knowing a few members I would say my impression from that is that atleast they would have no problem meeting girls in the old fashion way. What attracts us is the freedom in choosing new pussy almost everyday (and we know from reading this forum we have lots of different styles to obtain this).[/QUOTE]I stopped in to a bar on Walking Street the other night with another forum member. I decided that I would like to have one of the waitresses for the night. She said you pay bar fine? I started laughing. I told her that I live here and I have never paid a bar fine. But I would see her LT for 1000 after the bar closed at 3. She said you know too much. She said she would meet me under the Walking Street sign at 3:20, after they cleaned up.
We went to check out a couple of agogos then it was time to go meet the lady. I arrived under the sign at 3:23. She was not there. I called her and she did not answer. She called me back immediately. She said she had been at the meeting spot at 3:20, but I was not there so she thought I was full of shit and she went home. I told her to have patience. She arrived again in 8 minutes and off we were to my place.
We when got to my place she asked why I pay her, because she was sure I could have any woman without giving them money. I showed her some text messages from a businesswoman in Bangkok whose mother is a retired doctor. She was insisting to come spend time with me in Pattaya the next day, but I refused. I explained to my date that if I allow this girl to come from Bangkok she will stay and I could never get her to leave if I wanted to be alone. If I want you to leave then I just give you money and tell you that you can go now. She thought about it for a minute then said yes that is very true.
I went to take a shower and no sooner than I could plop down on the bed, she had her tongue half way up my ass. She's a keeper!
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Sky Bar
Me and a wingman went by Skeeter's the other night. We sat down and ordered some beers. He told us that he would be back shortly to make burgers but he was in the middle of buying Red Light Bar next door. The cashier passed him what looked to be 4 stacks of 100,000 baht and he left out. He came back in later and rang the bell to celebrate. He said he would knock the wall down to extend Sky Bar and do some remodeling.
The strange thing is that I was just in Sky Bar a month ago, but I knew not one of the girls who was there this time. They were all new. I asked him about it. He said that in the past 10 months 11 girls have gotten married and moved to Europe. He said he would be glad when they break up so they can bring their asses back to work. I had no idea guys were coming marrying bar girls like that.
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[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1474287]Me and a wingman went by Skeeter's the other night. We sat down and ordered some beers. He told us that he would be back shortly to make burgers but he was in the middle of buying Red Light Bar next door. The cashier passed him what looked to be 4 stacks of 100, 000 baht and he left out. He came back in later and rang the bell to celebrate. He said he would knock the wall down to extend Sky Bar and do some remodeling.
The strange thing is that I was just in Sky Bar a month ago, but I knew not one of the girls who was there this time. They were all new. I asked him about it. He said that in the past 10 months 11 girls have gotten married and moved to Europe. He said he would be glad when they break up so they can bring their asses back to work. I had no idea guys were coming marrying bar girls like that.[/QUOTE]What is amazing is that it seems on the surface so easy for a Thai to get a visit to go to Europe married or not? Try doing that to the USA and it is like pulling teeth if not impossible?
LBM
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[QUOTE=BlygdTuktaren;1474208]Well, if you ask me when it comes to relationships I would not want to (try to) settle down with a promiscuos woman, whether she's an ex prostitute or slept around of promiscuity, maybe even worse if it did not involved money, then it's her nature / personality.[/QUOTE]Don't you think women will think the same of men? Or is male promiscuity "different" somehow? If you think that I can see where your problems with relationships are coming from.
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Pattaya
I like skeeter, he makes some amazing drinks. Some I don't know the names of but still good.
This board makes my case for me. Go have fun, have sex and then go home. I am glad it is hard to bring a Ho' to the US. You should know better.
You can aways find a loser in your own country, no need to export.
Tellall
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[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1474334]What is amazing is that it seems on the surface so easy for a Thai to get a visit to go to Europe married or not? Try doing that to the USA and it is like pulling teeth if not impossible?
LBM[/QUOTE]When I went to book with my taxi lady there was a stand-in guy there instead. He said that she had gone to Bangkok to the Norwegian embassy because her daughter was obtaining a visa for Norway.
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[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1474349]Don't you think women will think the same of men? Or is male promiscuity "different" somehow? If you think that I can see where your problems with relationships are coming from.[/QUOTE]It's different. Men are expected to sow wild oats. Women are not expected to have many wild oats sown into them. So the question remains, who are the men supposed to be fucking if the women aren't expected to fuck too?
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[QUOTE=Skogis;1474227]And for sure there will be some out there having no choice but to deal with P4P (sad for them I might add).[/QUOTE]My ' guesstimation' is that its more like 80. Just read between the lines or in this case read between the posts (or the post itself in many cases). Our new friend with the silly name is a case in point. Like the old saying 'can't get laid in a women's prison with a fistful of pardons'.
The remainder I believe is divided between sex addicts who can't possibly satisfy the urge through conventional means (just not enough time or energy, etc.) and those like me who just can't stand to listen to the little idiots talk and talk and talk after the deed.
I pay them to leave. I much prefer my own company to that of someone with nothing more to offer than a warm body and needs, and needs, and needs. I can easily pay for that.
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[QUOTE=Rjsss212;1474451]My ' guesstimation' is that its more like 80.[/QUOTE]80 percent.
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[QUOTE=Rjsss212; 1474451]My ' guesstimation' is that its more like 80. Just read between the lines or in this case read between the posts (or the post itself in many cases). Our new friend with the silly name is a case in point. Like the old saying 'can't get laid in a women's prison with a fistful of pardons'.
The remainder I believe is divided between sex addicts who can't possibly satisfy the urge through conventional means (just not enough time or energy, etc.) and those like me who just can't stand to listen to the little idiots talk and talk and talk after the deed.
I pay them to leave. I much prefer my own company to that of someone with nothing more to offer than a warm body and needs, and needs, and needs. I can easily pay for that.[/QUOTE]Right. You always do that long time because you prefer to be alone. We should all travel 10,000 miles to bust a nut and sit in a room.
Nothing more to offer? For starters, how about a new language that over 80 million people speak. I am constantly improving my Thai from my sex adventures and can tell you it goes places your wallet can not.
And don't talk about the sex on a sex forum. I'm in the business of getting pussy so there is no such thing as too much information to me.
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Working scheme
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1474386]When I went to book with my taxi lady there was a stand-in guy there instead. He said that she had gone to Bangkok to the Norwegian embassy because her daughter was obtaining a visa for Norway.[/QUOTE]Some girls go to Norway to work there for some time. It is a tight working scheme.
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[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1474334]What is amazing is that it seems on the surface so easy for a Thai to get a visit to go to Europe married or not? Try doing that to the USA and it is like pulling teeth if not impossible?
LBM[/QUOTE]Don't forget that Europe is many countries, but the visa you get is for all Schengen-countries, so there is actually a certain form of competition between the embassies in Thailand. If one country is too difficult to grant a visa, people will simply apply to other embassies. Don't forget that each embassy charges a fee for the visa (easily a few thousand baht) so no embassy / country will want to loose that income since it will not keep the Thai out of their country.
Also Thai are not known for becoming illegal immigrants.
As far as the USA is concerned, they have become so paranoid that it seems they consider everyone trying to visit them is assumed a terrorist or illegal alien unless proven otherwise.
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As far as the USA is concerned, they have become so paranoid that it seems they consider everyone trying to visit them is assumed a terrorist or illegal alien unless proven otherwise.[/QUOTE]
Paranoid with good reason. Boston bombers. 9/11, Fort Hood massacre, Times Square attempted bomber, etc. Not to mention 100s of foiled attempts of terrorism. Mostly done by some kind of immigrant. I want to keep out the terrorists since I don't want my legs blown off. Americans want Immigration to assume everyone is a terrorist and, if in doubt, kick them out. There's a plethora of immigrants in the USA, so it is not impossible, to gain entry.
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[QUOTE=JesseJames;1474564]Paranoid with good reason.[/QUOTE]Yep, got to watch those young Thai girls and keep them out! And the sexier they are the more dangerous, right Jesse? Glad your on board.
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AmexSpg Trip 3 Report & 2013 Trip 4 on 2. 30 Nov
[QUOTE=JackSpade9009;1474206]I will be visiting Bangkok / Pattaya for three weeks in November and can only hope that I can emulate the standard of reports already posted.[/QUOTE]- I can't PM (private message) you since you're not a Senior Member on ISG. I recommend paying the $20 / yr for membership as you'll have PM ability and more importantly, ability to view photos posted by BMs (board members).
- I'm in Patts 2. 30 Nov (my 2013 Trip 4) and will be staying at WS (Walking Street) Soi BJ Jasmine Hotel. Once I'm there you can reach me via Thai mobile 091-583-2295 or PM (if you have PM ability). Not allowed by ISG to post my e-mail address.
- I was in Patts 9 Aug. 11 Sep (2013 Trip 3) and will complete / post my TR (trip report) by 30 Sep.
- My previous TRs are available from.
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[QUOTE=JesseJames;1474564]As far as the USA is concerned, they have become so paranoid that it seems they consider everyone trying to visit them is assumed a terrorist or illegal alien unless proven otherwise.[/QUOTE]Paranoid with good reason. Boston bombers. 9/11, Fort Hood massacre, Times Square attempted bomber, etc. Not to mention 100s of foiled attempts of terrorism. Mostly done by some kind of immigrant. I want to keep out the terrorists since I don't want my legs blown off. Americans want Immigration to assume everyone is a terrorist and, if in doubt, kick them out.
There's a plethora of immigrants in the USA, so it is not impossible, to gain entry.[/QUOTE]
This all so true but from my interview in 2005-06, when I spoke to the American Representative regarding my request for my wife which we had been married for a number of years I was told point blank the reason. She told me why am I not applying for a Visa for her to Immigrate this would be much easier. I told her if it was my intent to live in the USA with her I would have but my intent is to live in Thailand. Why is that so hard for you to understand? She said now your passport doesn't reflect your Thailand is your " democile " I said I have been working in the USA and just now retired and here is all my documentation including a letter from the a Congressman head of the foreign affairs division detailing my story and a copy of the Fax receipt of this letter forwarded to the Ambassador of Thailand. She refuse to read the letter and told me basically I couldn't care less who the letter was from and reply the reason given to me was she didn't believe what I was saying and that there are many guys like you who take women to Thailand to work in massage parlors etc. And once they are there overstayed and hire lawyers to fight the return and this cost the govenment lots of money! And again respond " if you read the letter you would understand that isn't my intent " she just said interview over sorry!
I walked outside and once I got my phone I called back to the USA as to the results, I was asked to give them a few weeks and I will get a call back. Several weeks later got a call from the USA and told to go to the Emb, in Bangkok and see so and so, walked out a hour later with the Visa and a simple sorry from the Interviewer.
In the end, I don't really blame them because our immigration system does need reform especially in the area of enforcement?
LBM
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Pattaya with Angeles City GF
Looking for a new twist, took a girl from Angeles City Philippines to Pattaya to show what is missing in AC. What an experience indeed.
In particular, making her do the the hand workout with XZone girls was a wonderful scene to remember. For sure, AC girls are different from Thai and in particular Pats girls.
I had good time with lesbo in Body Shop. Great bunch of girls to entertain and do what ever you want them to do for you.
Shark was surprisingly good. Bar was quite considering it is upstairs. But that allows you to go beyond normal boundaries.
Baccara was boring as always.
Devils Den quality is still down. Sad. They need some fresh blood there.
As last time, stayed in LK Ren in LK Metro.
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[QUOTE=JesseJames;1474564]As far as the USA is concerned, they have become so paranoid that it seems they consider everyone trying to visit them is assumed a terrorist or illegal alien unless proven otherwise.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=JesseJames;1474564]Paranoid with good reason. Boston bombers. 9/11, Fort Hood massacre, Times Square attempted bomber, etc. Not to mention 100s of foiled attempts of terrorism. Mostly done by some kind of immigrant. I want to keep out the terrorists since I don't want my legs blown off. Americans want Immigration to assume everyone is a terrorist and, if in doubt, kick them out. There's a plethora of immigrants in the USA, so it is not impossible, to gain entry.[/QUOTE]
That's ridiculous.
If the United States government didn't aspire to be policeman for the entire planet and maintain military bases in hundreds of nations all over the globe, meddling into the affairs of other sovereign nations, we wouldn't have any foreign terrorists to worry about.
The real terrorists don't have much problem getting in, nor do the tens of thousands of Mexicans who come illegally every year.
Fat chance indeed of you getting your legs blown off by a Thai bar girl terrorist. The Thai's don't have any beef with the USA, so there is no such thing as a Thai terrorist out to blow up people in America. Why would any reasonable immigration authority be in doubt about that?
The plain fact is that the USA government coddles and caters to the illegal immigrants flooding the country and sucking up its resources, and then won't allow even tourist visas for honest law abiding visitors, such as pretty Thai girls, much less immigration visas for them.
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[QUOTE=JesseJames;1474564]As far as the USA is concerned, they have become so paranoid that it seems they consider everyone trying to visit them is assumed a terrorist or illegal alien unless proven otherwise.
Paranoid with good reason. Boston bombers. 9/11, Fort Hood massacre, Times Square attempted bomber, etc. Not to mention 100s of foiled attempts of terrorism. Mostly done by some kind of immigrant. I want to keep out the terrorists since I don't want my legs blown off. Americans want Immigration to assume everyone is a terrorist and, if in doubt, kick them out. There's a plethora of immigrants in the USA, so it is not impossible, to gain entry.[/QUOTE]
You forgot to add Oklahoma City, and of course the Fort Hood killer was born in the USA (but I agree funny skin colour, so that counts). And 100s of foiled attempts? Also by people with funny skin colour presumably? Mind you, half you guys think the US government blew up the Twin Towers, and Obama is a Muslim, right?
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[QUOTE=Mouse1;1474706]You forgot to add Oklahoma City, and of course the Fort Hood killer was born in the USA (but I agree funny skin colour, so that counts). And 100s of foiled attempts? Also by people with funny skin colour presumably? Mind you, half you guys think the US government blew up the Twin Towers, and Obama is a Muslim, right?[/QUOTE]And the new Miss America of Indian origin is an ARAB!
Slim
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[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1474643]I walked outside and once I got my phone I called back to the USA as to the results, I was asked to give them a few weeks and I will get a call back. Several weeks later got a call from the USA and told to go to the Emb, in Bangkok and see so and so, walked out a hour later with the Visa and a simple sorry from the Interviewer.
In the end, I don't really blame them because our immigration system does need reform especially in the area of enforcement?[/QUOTE]Not to mention, you could be granted a visa by the embassy or consulate, but it is still immigration's call as to whether you are allowed to enter the country or not. Woe is the person who has paid for tickets and made all kinds of reservations, and flown to the other side of the world, only to be turned away at the door.
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[QUOTE=JesseJames;1474564]Paranoid with good reason. Boston bombers. 9/11, Fort Hood massacre, Times Square attempted bomber, etc. Not to mention 100s of foiled attempts of terrorism. Mostly done by some kind of immigrant.[/QUOTE]When you look it that way, I have to agree: with the exception of the Native Indians, everyone is an immigrant in the USA if you go back a few generations.
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[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1474740]When you look it that way, I have to agree: with the exception of the Native Indians, everyone is an immigrant in the USA if you go back a few generations.[/QUOTE]The natives who are actually the present day Mexicans? They are just coming to get their shit back a little at a time; not swiftly and in a big chunk as the Israelis got theirs from Great Britain.
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[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1474745]The natives who are actually the present day Mexicans?[/QUOTE]I was actually thinking more of the Apaches, Sioux and such, you know, from the "Cowboy and Indians" games we played as a kid.
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The Sponge
Last month when I was going down Walking Street with my dad I briefly met a woman of my dreams. I told her that I would definitely get with her later. What stood out most was her rack. Later determined to be of the 36F variety. Last week I saw her in the disco and I grabbed her and told her that she would be coming with me that night. It's funny just how insecure many of these women are. For she, like many before her, questioned my sincerity. I had to reinforce it. Look don't you go ANYWHERE without me, because you are coming with me tonight.
When the time came to leave she told me where her car was parked. Since my motorbike was right outside I gave her a ride to her vehicle. Damn, a big ass pick-up truck. And pretty damn new at that. When we got to my place she ran her story by me. 29, no kids. She was married to a guy from England for 7 years and they had businesses together in a couple of cities. When they recently broke up she signed everything back over to him and told him that she didn't want any of it. (How often do you hear it work out this way?) Evidently she kept the truck though.
I did something with this girl that I haven't done in quite a long time. I stayed in bed with her until 5pm. Well not straight, because there was a time when I went out to get lunch and she stayed there asleep. But when I returned home, right back into the be I went. It fucked up my whole day, but it was worth it.
After all the deeds were done and we were relaxing enjoying each other's company, she said I'm sorry. I said okay. She said do you know why I'm apologizing? I said no. She said because I was on my period last night and I let you take me anyway. Huh? Not that it matters in the least bit to me. Then I remembered. I told her of my ex who is a taxi driver in Bangkok that used to use the damn thing to block the blood flow, but she would never let me see it. I said that I know you could buy it at the pharmacy. This girl informed me that some salons sell them as well. After a couple of minutes I was able to convince her to let me see it. She went into the bathroom for a while then came back out. She said that is why she wasn't really wet, because it soaks the wetness up. She said sometimes blood will be on the tip of the condom. I guess that is why she was racing to take the condom off of me the times that we finished.
I told her that I would probably want her to go on a trip to the Maldives with me soon. She said that she didn't have any money to do that. I told her to leave that to me. The truth is that I get tired of doing shit alone all of the time and she has proved to be great company. She still insists that if it costs too much that she does not want to go because she does not want me to have to spend much money. This girl is definitely a keeper.
Side Note: Her friend kept calling her throughout the day. Eventually she told me that her friend went with one of my friends (who I did not even know was in town. So how the hell did they know it was my friend?. Their network is a MF.) She said they negotiated to the standard price of 1000 LT, but when they got to the hotel my friend wanted to change the deal to 800 LT. Eventually I figured out who the friend was. I said I was going to clown his ass when I saw him. And I thought I was a Cheap Charlie.
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Just to Beat a Dead Horse
I met and went to dinner with a woman who is an assistant director at a beauty clinic. Dinner came to 543 baht. Somehow we got on the subject of tipping. She said that she is Thai so usually she does not give tips. She said when she goes to get a massage she will tip the person 100 baht because they work so hard. And the same for the person at the salon who does her nails. I paid for our dinner with a 1000 baht bill. She said next time she would pay. When the change came back I gave her the book and said okay now how much would you leave for this waitress. She said since I liked her...she gave me my change leaving 37 baht in the book (which figures to be 6.8%.)
Side Note: Just to say again it's funny how being a foreigner you have the mindset that Thais know their fellow countrymen. But that could not be farther from the case. The girl I was with asked the waitress if she was Thai. She thought that she may have been Filipina. She was indeed Thai though.
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[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1474736]Not to mention, you could be granted a visa by the embassy or consulate, but it is still immigration's call as to whether you are allowed to enter the country or not. Woe is the person who has paid for tickets and made all kinds of reservations, and flown to the other side of the world, only to be turned away at the door.[/QUOTE]This is partially true but one a Thai as the example we are using must get be given the permission by the USA Embassy in Bangkok which is why one goes through the process. The stamp or sticker is place in the passport and information is all placed in the data base for Immigration. If you go to a travel agent to buy your ticket if they know what they are doing will make sure you actually have permission before they even sell you the ticket. If not, a travel agent the staff when you check in will in this case Thai National look at the passport to make sure that permission is given before you even are issue a boarding pass. The you have another two line of defense which is the Thai Immigration and once through it finally the USA Immigration. Without the permission or stamp / sticker I doubt you would get out of the airport in Thailand. Every Immigration check stop this is what they are looking for and the few questions they ask by our immigration unless a red flag comes you are in.
At least that was my own experience in 2007.
LBM
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[QUOTE=Daddy07; 1474694]That's ridiculous.
If the United States government didn't aspire to be policeman for the entire planet and maintain military bases in hundreds of nations all over the globe, meddling into the affairs of other sovereign nations, we wouldn't have any foreign terrorists to worry about.
The real terrorists don't have much problem getting in, nor do the tens of thousands of Mexicans who come illegally every year.
Fat chance indeed of you getting your legs blown off by a Thai bar girl terrorist. The Thai's don't have any beef with the USA, so there is no such thing as a Thai terrorist out to blow up people in America. Why would any reasonable immigration authority be in doubt about that?
The plain fact is that the USA government coddles and caters to the illegal immigrants flooding the country and sucking up its resources, and then won't allow even tourist visas for honest law abiding visitors, such as pretty Thai girls, much less immigration visas for them.[/QUOTE]That is the way I think although there are plenty of problems down south they take don't want you to know about. I live now on Nernpludwan which is considered Muslim road. Never had a problem with them seem to be like every other Thai all their men are going around fucking anything they are a allow to get their hands on. Break all the rules like the rest of them butterfly etc. In their religion and still pray like the world was coming to an end asking for forgiveness like every other religion. If I meet a girl in a bar and she tells me she is Muslim everything is off the table for me I don't care how much of a stunner she might be and how cheap or what I'm gone! My sister in-law is one and I hate her guts and she knows it told her to her face you better hope I die first because if my brother does you are on you ficking own and I don't care if my nephew or nieces suffer I won't look back.
LBM
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[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1474783]That is the way I think although there are plenty of problems down south they take don't want you to know about. I live now on Nernpludwan which is considered Muslim road. Never had a problem with them seem to be like every other Thai all their men are going around fucking anything they are a allow to get their hands on. Break all the rules like the rest of them butterfly etc. In their religion and still pray like the world was coming to an end asking for forgiveness like every other religion. If I meet a girl in a bar and she tells me she is Muslim everything is off the table for me I don't care how much of a stunner she might be and how cheap or what I'm gone! My sister in-law is one and I hate her guts and she knows it told her to her face you better hope I die first because if my brother does you are on you ficking own and I don't care if my nephew or nieces suffer I won't look back.
LBM[/QUOTE]You don't know what you miss out. The Indonesian Muslim girls are the lay of the century with very little exceptions. They wear scarves during the day and then text you how they like to suck you. In Hong Kong that is.
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[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1474783]My sister in-law is one and I hate her guts and she knows it told her to her face you better hope I die first because if my brother does you are on you ficking own and I don't care if my nephew or nieces suffer I won't look back.
LBM[/QUOTE]And totally irrelevant to f*ck*ng in Thailand.
At least your brother has a chance of one or two of the 73 virgins whilst your future look rather hotter than most.
Back to Pattaya.
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[QUOTE=Tiger 888;1474902]You don't know what you miss out. The Indonesian Muslim girls are the lay of the century with very little exceptions. They wear scarves during the day and then text you how they like to suck you. In Hong Kong that is.[/QUOTE]Lived in Semarang, Central Java off an on from about 2003 to 2007. My experiences with the Javanese girls was the same as yours. They were the sweetest girls, cute as hell, wore low cut skin tight jeans, tight tee shirts that exposed their belly buttons and colorful scarfs to cover their heads. They claimed to be Muslims but never observed the call to prayers, fucked like little rabbits and loved to suck cocks. Semarang is no mongering destination, but the Javanese girls are fantastic. Jakarta is worth checking out. Lots of good info on ISG thread. Currency is dropping like a rock. Maybe a good bargain.
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[QUOTE=Scorchin; 1474908]And totally irrelevant to f*ck*ng in Thailand.
At least your brother has a chance of one or two of the 73 virgins whilst your future look rather hotter than most.
Back to Pattaya.[/QUOTE]That is obvious you problem with everything! My brother has been here over 12 years never once has he ever dip his stick into another women in Thailand period. The relevants here is dipping which in your simple definition f*cking and has produce through her Muslim lying ass a bunch of kids.
Get over it there are no Muslim virgins are far as Pattaya goes and some might think I'm missing out on something I have no intent in fucking a women in a black tent no matter how good it is what I don't experience I don't miss!
Now I'll be the first to admit I have a personal problem with Muslim! All this talk about Jakarta and so forth might be true but aren't we on the Thailand Thread which I'm referring to Muslim women here.
Scorchin, you seem to have a real problem when someone says something that you don't like personally get over it you M.O. is very obvious you are constantly looking for a fight from your responds.
LBM
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There is a big difference culturally, physically, ethnically between Indonesian women and Middle Eastern women. Indonesian girls are attractive, sexy, passionate, and highly doable. I can't say the same for the Middle Eastern variety.
LBM, what is it about your sister in law that turns you off to all Muslim Thai and possibly Indonesian girls? Is the problem part of her cultural way of thinking and behaving or is she just a b*tch on to herself? I've met some very wonderful Indonesian girls who were great shags and a lot of fun to be with. To my knowledge I have never been with a Muslim Thai girl so at present I wouldn't reject a sexy Muslim Thai girl all else being equal and out of curiosity. But I would like to know what it is about them that turns you off. Personally, I can't see myself ever settling down with a Muslim Thai or Indonesian girl, let alone having kids with her. I could live with the Buddha long term though. Intellectually I like the Buddha and I like the cultural effect Buddhism has on its people.
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Humans are almost like animals concerning sex
[QUOTE=Rjsss212; 1474451]My ' guesstimation' is that its more like 80 percent. Just read between the lines or in this case read between the posts (or the post itself in many cases). Our new friend with the silly name is a case in point. Like the old saying 'can't get laid in a women's prison with a fistful of pardons'.
The remainder I believe is divided between sex addicts who can't possibly satisfy the urge through conventional means (just not enough time or energy, etc.) and those like me who just can't stand to listen to the little idiots talk and talk and talk after the deed.
I pay them to leave. I much prefer my own company to that of someone with nothing more to offer than a warm body and needs, and needs, and needs. I can easily pay for that.[/QUOTE]I think you're guesstimation is quite accurate, if I got you right as to say due to that I'm not a 100 percent when it comes to the English language.
But anyway, my own guesstimation when it comes to guys like me who pay prostitutes for one night stands is that we may very well be attractive for women when it comes to settle down with a man in a long term relationship.
But, before women seek a long term relationship, many women, at least in the western world like to sleep around with the most charming and attractive guys, and even if I don't like it, why wouldn't they?
These men are more than willing to sleep around for a night or a shorter period with many women, after a shorter period if not one night, these men are on the hunt again for new women to conquer, one of my friends was this kind of man for example.
The women may very well want to settle down with these top notch / alpha males, but as the years go by they realise that in most cases this will never happen, these alpha males just have to many women to choose from and will almost to never settle down with an average woman which the women realize after a while and settle down with an average man instead.
When money is not involved our humans sex life is not much different from what's shown on the channel Animal planet where the strongest / most attractive male get to inseminate most of the females while the average or less strong / attractive males will have a poor sex life.
Very much is written on this topic throughout the internet, some call it the 80/20 rule which means that 20 percent of the men get to sleep around with 80 percent of the women in the free western world, I may think that is a little way out, but it's got some truth in it, and more is written on the topic of PUA which means Pick Up Artist, some are naturals, some can learn and some, like myself feels fuck it! And book a flight to Thailand instead.
Thank God for the money, poor women and ISG.
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[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo; 1475039]There is a big difference culturally, physically, ethnically between Indonesian women and Middle Eastern women. Indonesian girls are attractive, sexy, passionate, and highly doable. I can't say the same for the Middle Eastern variety.
LBM, what is it about your sister in law that turns you off to all Muslim Thai and possibly Indonesian girls? Is the problem part of her cultural way of thinking and behaving or is she just a be*tch on to herself? I've met some very wonderful Indonesian girls who were great shags and a lot of fun to be with. To my knowledge I have never been with a Muslim Thai girl so at present I wouldn't reject a sexy Muslim Thai girl all else being equal and out of curiosity. But I would like to know what it is about them that turns you off. Personally, I can't see myself ever settling down with a Muslim Thai or Indonesian girl, let alone having kids with her. I could live with the Buddha long term though. Intellectually I like the Buddha and I like the cultural effect Buddhism has on its people.[/QUOTE]As I noted it on me about Muslim, call it racist or whatever on my part but I guess you would say as noted she a lying be*tch and everyone of her friends and especially her whole family is just like her. So I guess I have taken her and her family as the standard to dislike and it just bugs me that everything that comes out of her mouth is Koran this Koran that as if this is the only way to live yet she a lying, dishonest and it seem everyone associate with her and family is just the same a bunch of lazy bunch of freeloaders
Yes, my comments are ignorant and I have no idea what a Indo women can do in bed but I'm talking about Thailand and as far as I'm concern here I have too many choices that go with a Muslim women. I don't say or do anything mean to those who I don't know I just rather not have anything to do with them here.
Sorry if my comments offend others but I'm just be honest as to how I feel.
LBM
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[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1475212]As I noted it on me about Muslim, call it racist or whatever on my part but I guess you would say as noted she a lying be*tch and everyone of her friends and especially her whole family is just like her. So I guess I have taken her and her family as the standard to dislike and it just bugs me that everything that comes out of her mouth is Koran this Koran that as if this is the only way to live yet she a lying, dishonest and it seem everyone associate with her and family is just the same a bunch of lazy bunch of freeloaders
Yes, my comments are ignorant and I have no idea what a Indo women can do in bed but I'm talking about Thailand and as far as I'm concern here I have too many choices that go with a Muslim women. I don't say or do anything mean to those who I don't know I just rather not have anything to do with them here.
Sorry if my comments offend others but I'm just be honest as to how I feel.
LBM[/QUOTE]Your first hand comments do not offend me nor do I find them ignorant. I do find religious zealotry and intolerance as practiced by "devout" Muslims intolerable and dangerous. 90% of all conflicts going on in the world at present involves Islam in some way. 99% of all terrorists acts commited in the last 15 years involves Islam. No clear thinking individual can ignore these facts of modern life. Now I like Indonesian girls. They are fun, but I reiterate my position, that no way would I ever settle down with a Muslim Women or live in a Muslim Country.
Nobody articulated the problem with Islam better than Winston Churchill way back in 1899:
"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries!
Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia
In a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many
Countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods
Of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet
Rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the
Next of its dignity and sanctity.
The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as
His absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must
Delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased.
To be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid
Qualities. But the influence of the religion paralyses the social
Development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists
In the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and
Proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa,
Raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity
Is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it
Had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell
The civilization of ancient Rome."
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Good to know, PK. I'm going to Bali for a conference in 2015 and hope to slide into several sexy ones as you described. Regarding the "Muslim discussion" I met a busty DIA Indo Christian girl when I was in Jakarta last year and the second time she brought a younger even bustier Indo Muslim girl and the three of us had a great time.
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[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1474765]Side Note: Just to say again it's funny how being a foreigner you have the mindset that Thais know their fellow countrymen.[/QUOTE]That is SO true. And while we sometimes like to say the Thais do this or the Thais do that, the fact is that the Thais do all kinds of things. It's no easier to generalize about them than about farang (which of course a lot of Thais like to do too).
Bottom line: stay sensitive to the situation and learn to improvise. Trying to make up rules and then follow them just doesn't work too well here.
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[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo; 1475223]Now I like Indonesian girls. They are fun, but I reiterate my position, that no way would I ever settle down with a Muslim Women or live in a Muslim Country.[/QUOTE]
Natty, you are so right. I loved the Indonesian ladies; and the average Indonesian whom I encountered as individuals and in small groups on a daily basis were very nice; but I found the society as a whole difficult to deal with and the government impossible. You think Thailand can be frustrating. Go live in Indonesia for a while.
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[QUOTE=D Cups;1475277]Good to know, PK. I'm going to Bali for a conference in 2015 and hope to slide into several sexy ones as you described. Regarding the "Muslim discussion" I met a busty DIA Indo Christian girl when I was in Jakarta last year and the second time she brought a younger even bustier Indo Muslim girl and the three of us had a great time.[/QUOTE]Bali and Java are two very different cultures. A plethora has been written on the subject. It's worth it to plan a stop for a few days in Jakarta. The city is terrible and the mongering scene is totally different than Thailand. There is nothing like Soi Cowboy or Walking street. There are clubs and entertainment centers that are filled with P4P girls, pros and semipros. You can also find some pretty sophisticated ladies from good backgrounds that are fair game. Read the appropriate threads on ISG to learn more.
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Pissed off with Pattya
On some previous vists to Pattaya, not frequent but spanning over a decade, I have usualy found what I want in the beer bars with a bit of looking and a couple of wasted drinks here and there but on this visit I have found the type of girl I'm looking for and with a certain look (ie my taste). Anyway on finding these girls who have been more than enthusiastic to get me into the bar, extremely enthused about being bought a drink and idle chitchat but then a bit down the track either not wanting a bar fine or only short time at a local short term joint at best which usualy amounts to 'brothel' sex, a quick jigjig and hurry up I've got to get back to the bar. Now after a week of this stuff and spending far too much money on drinks etc I actualy got 2 back to my hotel (on different nights that is) and both of them 22 years old but both behaving like theyve never had sex before and more coy than any naieve teenager I have gotten off with in my long lost youth. What I am getting at here is that things must have changed over the years and its not just my age either, in fact I look younger now than I did 10 years ago on account of being infinitly fitter, far less weight and with a complete set of teeth etc etc, ie I never used to get this crap and in fact this is the first time I have come across all this stuff, (back in London recently I had a couple of pay for European girls barely 20 years old and no problem) I could understand it if I was a fat gross, bad breathed 70 year old but being quite a long way off that and getting the 'dirty old man' routine is getting depressing. Is this new ploys to get you into the bar then hope you will swith to the bored 40 year old sulking in the corner? Who knows.
Anyway have had a complete change of strategy now, have been to my favorite gogo (the Windmill) where you can see what you are going to get, get to touch the good bits first, get the slant of the girls personality then pay the exhorbitant bar fine and off for some real sex even if only short time, much more fun and predictable (I don't mind unpredictable if its cheap enough) so even porking every other day still works out better and cheaper than the beer bar bullshit I've had a belly full of.
Another moan here, anyone noticed how so many beer bars now have a token lady boy? They usualy stick out like dogs balls but last week I nearly got fooled for the first time ever, in the not so good lighting I headed over to a bar with what was a few reasonable looking girls, sat down and the stool next to me was taken up by a passable looking barmaid but after a couple of minutes I thought 'don't those fingers look a bit long' dito the feet were a bit big, nice femine voice though and no adams apple, but hey, with a lady boy in every bar I'm absolutly not going to chance getting the unlucky dip now am I? I don't thing this is a good move re the bar owners, very offputting. Ok moan over, but just curious as to what others with more experience thinks on these topics.
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Can not completelly agree
Actually I am in Pattaya since Friday evening. Leaving tomorrow with a girl to Phuket, which I picked up yesterday from a beer bar on WS. I consider her quality a bit below gogo, but a huge difference in price and performance: I had one girl from Bacarat, and one from Iron. 4000LT+1500Barfine. Exceptionally good looking, but terrible performers.
Both even tried to escape very early morning, begging for more money after a "bad job" etc.
So my experience with gogos is not positive. That is the reason I first tried Soi 6. Took out a girl for 2h to my hotel. 2000+600. Good performance. Asked for LT, she denied, never does this.
So then to try a beer bar. I decided one of the bars on WS, assuming better quality there. Yesterday, during the rain, I was almost the only guy among 100 girls or more.
Chose one of the dancers for 2000+600. Was OK, good GFE, so now we go to the islands. 10 days. 1300 / day+600 / day. Not bad, I guess.
So, in short, my experience is just opposite to yours. However, regarding the lady boys, I am also quite a bit concerned. I am already afraid to approach the best looking "girls" in the bars.
Went to 2 different big body massage salons, at 2nd road / Soi 1. 2000Baht and 2400Baht. Excellent both times. As I like good boobs, there to be found. Although silicon, but better than nothing, and well done. One lady even offered me take-out. 4000BHT. Would definitely prefere this one to a gogo. Because you can even check fher attitude during body massage, before deciding to shell out the 4000 next day or so. For the excellent body massages I did not chose the youngest girls.
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Beer Bar
If I was the type of guy who likes getting women from beer bars then I would:
1. Enter the bar.
2. Scan for a woman who is my type. If I did not see my type I would leave and go to the next bar.
3. Ask the woman if she goes long time if that is my thing.
4. Buy drinks or do whatever else in order to determine if there is any chemistry.
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Reiner Otto, why are you paying double price wherever you go?
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Things get better
Mr Enternational. Think that is the correct order. Much cheaper than finding out after a few 100bt worth of drinkies.
Luck changed tonight, found an absolutly stunning 19 year old in a beer bar, a bit shy but completlely beyond most of the gogo bar girls, re looks and most certainly personality. Was only willing for short time (says due to language but who knows) but at least to my hotel for a couple of hours and was amazing in bed, to add she had the most perfectly formed conical tits I have ever seen / felt on any girl. Luck of the day / draw is a big part of it of course but when you are on limited time can be frustrating wasting lots of time and money. I choose to be picky on account of I can get skank and rough stuff back home for free (and I don't do that on account of the implications) so being picky means more potential dissapointment. As for me, I will be back for more of MsConical tomorow.
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Pattaya
I also thought he was paying to much. I routinely get girls from Soi 6 for 2hrs for 700 to a 1000. Most of the women I pull are either freelance or from beer bars and don't pay those prices.
Never had any problems from beer bar girls. Granted some perform better than others but that is expected.
From time to time I will pull a hottie from a go go on lk metro and still not paying 2600.
I think some need to do the research before stepping into Pattaya.
I don't have a problem with a guy over paying if he chooses to. But I don't think anyone wants to get ripped off, at least I hope not.
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[QUOTE=Steve99; 1475346]On some previous vists to Pattaya, not frequent but spanning over a decade, I have usualy found what I want in the beer bars with a bit of looking and a couple of wasted drinks here and there but on this visit I have found the type of girl I'm looking for and with a certain look (ie my taste). Anyway on finding these girls who have been more than enthusiastic to get me into the bar, extremely enthused about being bought a drink and idle chitchat but then a bit down the track either not wanting a bar fine or only short time at a local short term joint at best which usualy amounts to 'brothel' sex, a quick jigjig and hurry up I've got to get back to the bar. Now after a week of this stuff and spending far too much money on drinks etc I actualy got 2 back to my hotel (on different nights that is) and both of them 22 years old but both behaving like theyve never had sex before and more coy than any naieve teenager I have gotten off with in my long lost youth. What I am getting at here is that things must have changed over the years and its not just my age either, in fact I look younger now than I did 10 years ago on account of being infinitly fitter, far less weight and with a complete set of teeth etc etc, ie I never used to get this crap and in fact this is the first time I have come across all this stuff, (back in London recently I had a couple of pay for European girls barely 20 years old and no problem) I could understand it if I was a fat gross, bad breathed 70 year old but being quite a long way off that and getting the 'dirty old man' routine is getting depressing. Is this new ploys to get you into the bar then hope you will swith to the bored 40 year old sulking in the corner? Who knows.
Anyway have had a complete change of strategy now, have been to my favorite gogo (the Windmill) where you can see what you are going to get, get to touch the good bits first, get the slant of the girls personality then pay the exhorbitant bar fine and off for some real sex even if only short time, much more fun and predictable (I don't mind unpredictable if its cheap enough) so even porking every other day still works out better and cheaper than the beer bar bullshit I've had a belly full of.
Another moan here, anyone noticed how so many beer bars now have a token lady boy? They usualy stick out like dogs balls but last week I nearly got fooled for the first time ever, in the not so good lighting I headed over to a bar with what was a few reasonable looking girls, sat down and the stool next to me was taken up by a passable looking barmaid but after a couple of minutes I thought 'don't those fingers look a bit long' dito the feet were a bit big, nice femine voice though and no adams apple, but hey, with a lady boy in every bar I'm absolutly not going to chance getting the unlucky dip now am I? I don't thing this is a good move re the bar owners, very offputting. Ok moan over, but just curious as to what others with more experience thinks on these topics.[/QUOTE]Pattaya, just like the rest of the planet, is changing.It's the circle of life in full swing. This is normal. Whenever I re-visit my old manors they have changed. As have the people. There are also many areas of Pattaya not inhabited by LBs. Why don't you give the Drinking Street a try up past Soi 2. They only allow real girls there. And there are many other areas as well. No need to get obsessed with that issue. Just drink and enjoy more.
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[QUOTE=Steve99; 1475774]Mr Enternational. Think that is the correct order. Much cheaper than finding out after a few 100bt worth of drinkies.
Luck changed tonight, found an absolutly stunning 19 year old in a beer bar, a bit shy but completlely beyond most of the gogo bar girls, re looks and most certainly personality. Was only willing for short time (says due to language but who knows) but at least to my hotel for a couple of hours and was amazing in bed, to add she had the most perfectly formed conical tits I have ever seen / felt on any girl. Luck of the day / draw is a big part of it of course but when you are on limited time can be frustrating wasting lots of time and money. I choose to be picky on account of I can get skank and rough stuff back home for free (and I don't do that on account of the implications) so being picky means more potential dissapointment. As for me, I will be back for more of MsConical tomorow.[/QUOTE]Well there you go. It's not all doom and gloom in Pattaya. Let's not get obsessed with the doom and gloom factor. Focus more on the enjoy factor and, always remember, that the world is changing. Nothing stays the same.
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[QUOTE=Reiner Otto;1475655]"Spending a lot of money on the girls."[/QUOTE]Thank you very much Reiner Otto, for overpaying and raising the prices for sex in Pattaya, it is guys like you who will make the prices comparable to Europe's at the end of the day. Thank you for ruining the market for the rest of us.
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[QUOTE=Bro2012;1475937]Pattaya, just like the rest of the planet, is changing.It's the circle of life in full swing. This is normal. Whenever I re-visit my old manors they have changed. As have the people. There are also many areas of Pattaya not inhabited by LBs. Why don't you give the Drinking Street a try up past Soi 2. They only allow real girls there. And there are many other areas as well. No need to get obsessed with that issue. Just drink and enjoy more.[/QUOTE]Drinking Street? Sorry Bro. The last 3 nights I've been in the Drinking Street and the mix in very exciting. I drink. I party. I don't judge. And I have a fantastic time.
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Rubbish
[QUOTE=BlygdTuktaren;1476108]Thank you very much Reiner Otto, for overpaying and raising the prices for sex in Pattaya, it is guys like you who will make the prices comparable to Europe's at the end of the day. Thank you for ruining the market for the rest of us.[/QUOTE]The guy had fun and has rightly ignored all the cheapskates who want to pay the minimum amount. Tourists on holiday don't give a b*gg*r about the prices pretty sexy girls charge after they have drunk half a bottle of Scotch and had their crutch felt up in the bar.
Guys like him do not make prices look like European prices. It is perhaps the miserable moaners who constantly complain who force up prices. Because the girls may well say "F*ck this. If I am going to have to put up with cheapskate BT'aren, I am going to up my price."
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[QUOTE=Scorchin; 1476161]The guy had fun and has rightly ignored all the cheapskates who want to pay the minimum amount. Tourists on holiday don't give a be*gg*are about the prices pretty sexy girls charge after they have drunk half a bottle of Scotch and had their crutch felt up in the bar.
Guys like him do not make prices look like European prices. It is perhaps the miserable moaners who constantly complain who force up prices. Because the girls may well say "F*ck this. If I am going to have to put up with cheapskate BT'aren, I am going to up my price."[/QUOTE]So right. And what percentage if guys who monger in LOS have ever heard of ISG? 50% 10% 1% less than 1% Anyone care to guess?
Oh well, the betching, moaning and insults are part of ISG's appeal.
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What others pay is almost irrelevant to what you pay.
1) The same girl (whether GG, BG, FL, Soi 6.) may go with:
- me: LT B 1, 500.
- John Doe: LT B 4, 000.
- Mr. Enternational: LT B 1, 000.
- young / handsome / fun / lucky guy: free.
It just depends on the dynamics / negotiations between the girl and the customer.
2) I hung out with BM Reiner Otto in Aug and he was very selective with picking the hot girls from Baccara, etc.
- The hotties from the top end GGs (Baccara, Iron, What's Up.) are expensive ST / LT if you want to successfully BF them.
- I prefer FLs and even the ok loooking off-duty GGs from Baccara I chatted up on WS wouldn't FL with me for less than ST 2k / LT 3k. That doesn't really bother me because Patts has enough supply of women that I'll find a lady / price I want. And the demand (whether CC or big spenders) is such that Patts attract enough ladies to fill all the niches: stunners dancing naked at the GGs, FL hotties every night at BR / WS / discos willing to consider ST B 500 / LT B 1, 000 for the right guy and time, and so on.
- Agreed that it would be expensive to pay a BG from a BB ST 2k / 3k (though I can think of a couple BGs who might be worth it) , but BBs vs GGs is apples vs oranges. And among the GGs there are cheaper ones (ST 2k / LT 3k or less, easily) and there are pricier GGs.
I'm a CC so I've accepted the fact that I'm unlikely to get a ST B 1, 000 / LT B 2, 000 + BF from a top end GG.
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[QUOTE=Amex Spg;1476227]That doesn't really bother me because Patts has enough supply of women that I'll find a lady / price I want. I'm a CC so I've accepted...[/QUOTE]
How long have you been coming to Pattaya? I find that it is incredibly rare that I find what I want there (at any price). I think this is because my Pattaya tastes were formed many years ago when it was a better place.
Why it's changed so much for the worse I'm not sure - is it that Thailand is so much richer (it certainly is), or that there are a lot more big-spending tourists (perhaps there are, but the depression makes that dubious). Finally I think it may be because the drug addicts who used to provide such excellent service are now in jail.
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[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1475312]It's worth it to plan a stop for a few days in Jakarta. The city is terrible and the mongering scene is totally different than Thailand. There is nothing like Soi Cowboy or Walking street. There are clubs and entertainment centers that are filled with P4P girls, pros and semipros. You can also find some pretty sophisticated ladies from good backgrounds that are fair game. Read the appropriate threads on ISG to learn more.[/QUOTE]Jakarta is terrible as a tourist destination but I found it wasn't as polluted as other Asian cities and is easy to get around thanks to the bus-lanes. I also think it's one of the most under-rated sex-scenes in Asia. The Blok M bars have lots of freelancers, there are great hotel venues like Hotel Classic and Hotel Travel which stock lots of pretty girls (Classic is one of my top five venues in Asia while the latter specialises in threesomes) , there are soapy massage parlours, Stadium nightclub with on-site rooms and Dateinasia is alive and well too. My favourite area though is Pen J, near Kota train station where there is a kind of fishbowl set-up in about half a dozen bars. Jakarta is exceptionally cheap compared to other pay-for-play destinations and it seems the further south in Asia you go, the more voluptuous the women. On the down-side, the girlfriend experience is harder to find. I'd recommend Jakarta to any fan of Pattaya. If you visited you could also visit the Dolly brothels in Surubaya or go on a treasure hunt at the X-houses in Sanur.
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[QUOTE=Opebo; 1476261]How long have you been coming to Pattaya? I find that it is incredibly rare that I find what I want there (at any price). I think this is because my Pattaya tastes were formed many years ago when it was a better place.
Why it's changed so much for the worse I'm not sure. Is it that Thailand is so much richer (it certainly is) , or that there are a lot more big-spending tourists (perhaps there are, but the depression makes that dubious). Finally I think it may be because the drug addicts who used to provide such excellent service are now in jail.[/QUOTE]Your last sentence made my day. Can't wait to hear your explanation of that one.
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[QUOTE=Amex Spg; 1476227]1) The same girl (whether GG, BG, FL, Soi 6.) may go with:
- me: LT B 1, 500.
- John Doe: LT B 4, 000.
- Mr. Enternational: LT B 1, 000.
- young / handsome / fun / lucky guy: free.
It just depends on the dynamics / negotiations between the girl and the customer.[/QUOTE]Amex's observations are spot on. If a girl likes you and is comfortable with you; if she has fun with you and likes to be with you, she'll go for less than she expects from ordinary customers. Even an old geezer like me can score. I have, for example, a regular who is a show girl that dances nude at one of the Pattaya go-go's. She calls me every week asking to come to my condo to service me ST for 500 baht, and the service is top notch. She just likes me; likes to pet my dog and we have fun together while she's here.
All the girls at the disco's know Mr. E. And know he doesn't put up with ridiculous high prices or bullshit, so he knows how to get them to go with him at low prices. If they don't he just moves on to the next one. He knows where to find them.
As for Amex Spg, I've met this guy. He's young. He's handsome. He's fun. He walks into a bar and the girls are all over him. So I'm surprised he pays 1, 500 for LT. He should be getting it for free.
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Another placement
[QUOTE=Sir Lancelot;1476267]Jakarta is terrible as a tourist destination but I found it wasn't as polluted as other Asian cities and is easy to get around thanks to the bus-lanes. I also think it's one of the most under-rated sex-scenes in Asia. The Blok M bars have lots of freelancers, there are great hotel venues like Hotel Classic and Hotel Travel which stock lots of pretty girls (Classic is one of my top five venues in Asia while the latter specialises in threesomes) , there are soapy massage parlours, Stadium nightclub with on-site rooms and Dateinasia is alive and well too. My favourite area though is Pen J, near Kota train station where there is a kind of fishbowl set-up in about half a dozen bars. Jakarta is exceptionally cheap compared to other pay-for-play destinations and it seems the further south in Asia you go, the more voluptuous the women. On the down-side, the girlfriend experience is harder to find. I'd recommend Jakarta to any fan of Pattaya. If you visited you could also visit the Dolly brothels in Surubaya or go on a treasure hunt at the X-houses in Sanur.[/QUOTE]Could this solid piece of info be inserted into the Indonesia forum? It will get lost under Pattaya.
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[QUOTE=Sir Lancelot; 1476267]Jakarta is terrible as a tourist destination.
I also think it's one of the most under-rated sex-scenes in Asia.[/QUOTE]You are absolutely right on both counts. There are three reasons to go to Jakarta: (1) on business, (2) you're making a connection through the airport and (3) you want to sample the great sex-scene. Shhhh! Don't spoil a good thing by telling anyone.
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[QUOTE=Opebo; 1476261]How long have you been coming to Pattaya? I find that it is incredibly rare that I find what I want there (at any price). I think this is because my Pattaya tastes were formed many years ago when it was a better place.
Why it's changed so much for the worse I'm not sure. Is it that Thailand is so much richer (it certainly is) , or that there are a lot more big-spending tourists (perhaps there are, but the depression makes that dubious). Finally I think it may be because the drug addicts who used to provide such excellent service are now in jail.[/QUOTE]Opebo, my friend, you are the perennial pessimist.
Yes, Pattaya is changing rapidly and in many ways not for the better, but you can still get quality girls here for reasonable costs if you have the time and know where to look. There are just as many or more very pretty girls here now as before.
Most of the freelancers on BR are asking the same amount as 6 years ago: 500 ST. 1,000 LT, and you can still occasionally find a cute drug addict who will go for 300 baht. Watch out though as they are likely to have criminal tendencies.
As far as I know, beer bar girls are also asking the same prices as long ago, the bar fines are the same too, but now as then one has to look long and hard to find a pretty beer bar girl. 99% of them are average to below average in looks. I don't hunt at beer bars.
The part that has really changed for the worse is the Go-go bar scene where bar fines have increased and the girl's asking prices have doubled across the board. In 2006 ST with a go-go stunner was 1000 baht; LT 2000 baht. The price has doubled just within the last 2 years and some of the stunners are asking a lot more. Go-go girls are just not worth it anymore unless you pick them up at the late night disco's.
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Pattaya
I guess chemistry is chemistry anywhere. Even in a place like Thailand where money number one, there is still the human element.
I love Being in Thailand. When I am there I have more fun in weeks then I have in the USA in months.
I am in my fifties and I have hot women all over me. A lot of them ask for less because they just want to be with me.
Some people would say I need to act my age. I say I am acting my age. I'm in my 20's again and youth is not wasted .
Living the dream.
Tellall
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Not always so!
[/quote]believe the legal age for being on a bar is 20 there, working or not. if they are **** they will still say they are 20.[/quote]
i thought that the magic age was 20 as well for the bars but i am in pattaya now and in several of the go go's when i have asked the girls ages i have been told "me 18!"
this includes some of the nude dancers as well!
also one of the go go's had a meeter / greeter with beautiful big tits who told me she was only seventeen!
so, be careful.
sorry guys, before you ask no, i will not tell you which go go's they were.
enjoy,
i am.
hotman
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Good to know. Thanks, DaddyO. I hope it stays like this in 2015 when I am there.
[QUOTE=Daddy07; 1476348]Opebo, my friend, you are the perennial pessimist.
Yes, Pattaya is changing rapidly and in many ways not for the better, but you can still get quality girls here for reasonable costs if you have the time and know where to look. There are just as many or more very pretty girls here now as before.
Most of the freelancers on BR are asking the same amount as 6 years ago: 500 ST. 1,000 LT, and you can still occasionally find a cute drug addict who will go for 300 baht. Watch out though as they are likely to have criminal tendencies.
As far as I know, beer bar girls are also asking the same prices as long ago, the bar fines are the same too, but now as then one has to look long and hard to find a pretty beer bar girl. 99% of them are average to below average in looks. I don't hunt at beer bars.
The part that has really changed for the worse is the Go-go bar scene where bar fines have increased and the girl's asking prices have doubled across the board. In 2006 ST with a go-go stunner was 1000 baht; LT 2000 baht. The price has doubled just within the last 2 years and some of the stunners are asking a lot more. Go-go girls are just not worth it anymore unless you pick them up at the late night disco's.[/QUOTE]
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This thing about girls asking different prices for different customers make me upset, it's like the carpenter would take care of you're house for 1000$ but charge 2000$ if some other guy were the house owner.
I don't go to prostitutes to feel less attractive compaired to one other guy, then I could just go to the nightclub back home.
What is wrong with these prostitutes in Thailand, they're not a bunch of college girls going to the nightclub for fun and to only sleep with prince charming, they're prostitutes sleeping with customers as their profession to be able to support their families and themselves.
[QUOTE=Daddy07; 1476348]Opebo, my friend, you are the perennial pessimist.
Yes, Pattaya is changing rapidly and in many ways not for the better, but you can still get quality girls here for reasonable costs if you have the time and know where to look. There are just as many or more very pretty girls here now as before. Most of the freelancers on BR are asking the same amount as 6 years ago: 500 ST. 1,000 LT, and you can still occasionally find a cute drug addict who will go for 300 baht. Watch out though as they are likely to have criminal tendencies.
As far as I know, beer bar girls are also asking the same prices as long ago, the bar fines are the same too, but now as then one has to look long and hard to find a pretty beer bar girl. 99% of them are average to below average in looks. I don't hunt at beer bars.
The part that has really changed for the worse is the Go-go bar scene where bar fines have increased and the girl's asking prices have doubled across the board. In 2006 ST with a go-go stunner was 1000 baht; LT 2000 baht. The price has doubled just within the last 2 years and some of the stunners are asking a lot more. Go-go girls are just not worth it anymore unless you pick them up at the late night disco's.[/QUOTE]I guess you have a point here even if I'm allergic to overpayers.
But after all, how will one explain the gogo girls asking twice as much today compared to a couple of years ago if it ain't because of the overpayers?
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You obviously do not understand Thai
[QUOTE=BlygdTuktaren; 1476572]T.
But after all, how will one explain the gogo girls asking twice as much today compared to a couple of years ago if it ain't because of the overpayers?[/QUOTE]Economics 101. When demand is low, raise prices to maintain income stream. Simple init. This incidentally applies not just to WGs but many products in Thailand.
There is a corollary. At the end of the month accept lower prices to earn enough to pay the rent.
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[QUOTE=BlygdTuktaren; 1476572]This thing about girls asking different prices for different customers make me upset, it's like the carpenter would take care of you're house for 1000$ but charge 2000$ if some other guy were the house owner.
I don't go to prostitutes to feel less attractive compaired to one other guy, then I could just go to the nightclub back home.
What is wrong with these prostitutes in Thailand, they're not a bunch of college girls going to the nightclub for fun and to only sleep with prince charming, they're prostitutes sleeping with customers as their profession to be able to support their families and themselves.
I guess you have a point here even if I'm allergic to overpayers.
But after all, how will one explain the gogo girls asking twice as much today compared to a couple of years ago if it ain't because of the overpayers?[/QUOTE]Well it is not like the government set fixed pricings for hookers. Unlike a carpenter there will allways be a human element in play dealing with I. E a freelancegirl. Ofcourse girls will react upon behaviour, looks, age, treatment, politliness, bargingskills etc etc so where you have to pay 3000 I can get away with 1500 (just an example). Other factors are time in day and demand. A carpenter does not give a shit mostly in your looks but here maby your bargingskills will also make prices vary a bit.
And to the Go Go girls I guess they are not to blame about the prices beeing quoted inside the Go Go here you have to adress the owners / management.
If you can not play (pay) the game stop playing
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Everything changes, in bad and good ways
[QUOTE=Opebo;1476261]How long have you been coming to Pattaya? I find that it is incredibly rare that I find what I want there (at any price). I think this is because my Pattaya tastes were formed many years ago when it was a better place.[/QUOTE]1) I first came to Patts in 2007. If you can't find what you're looking for in Patts at any price, you could just adjust your tastes accordingly or move on to greener pastures: Philippines, Indonesia, South America, Europe, etc. I suspect Cambodia P4P (pay for play) now is what Thailand P4P was about 20 years ago so that's an option.
2) In part due to selective memories, the John Does complain that LOS (Land of Smiles) has gone downhill, that things were better 10 / whatever years ago, but everything changes including those John Does who have gotten old (er) (and I'm guessing pickier / crankier) in that time. For the bad that's happened to Patts, I can think of the good.
Pattaya 2007: Superbaby / Supergirl GGs (aGoGos) BF B 600 + ST 2k / LT 3k (Both those GGs charge every customer a standard ST / LT price).
- Bad / missing things in 2007: There was no iBar / Insomnia, no Secrets Bar / guesthouse, no Baccara / Gentlemen's Club / other excellent GGs, no Drinking Street, no Action Street, no Tourist Police (volunteers helping farangs and they serve as translators with the Thai police) , no Central Festival mall, LK Metro area only had 2 GGs (Champagne & Oasis) and so on.
Pattaya 2013: Superbaby / Supergirl GGs BF B 700 + ST 2k / LT 3k. (Prices haven't changed much).
- Improvements / good things now available in 2013: LK Metro is a mini-WS (new GGs: Queen, Lady Love, Showgirls, Paradise, Bachelors, Crystal, Submarine, Kiss, The Office, Funhouse, etc) , Soi 6 now has Night wish / Pussy Club / 3 Angels / Sky bars, new WS GGs: Sugarbaby / Sensations / Fahrenheit / Lighthouse / Glasshouse / Ginza / Mandarin / Pepe / Alcatraz / etc, new discos: Lima Lima / Flexx / Mixx / Halo.
3) Sure, the WGs (working girls) have also changed from 2007 to 2013, in both good & bad ways. I choose to focus on the good. Years from now if I don't like what Patts / the Thai WGs have become, I'll just move on to Cambodia or someplace else.
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Mr T Taxi replacement
In the last 3 years of coming to Pattaya I have exclusively used Mr T Taxi, based in LK Metro area. But I'm kind of done with the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url]-poor attitude I keep getting from them of late, and I'm looking of a new email-friendly Taxi service for Airport pickups / dropoffs, as well as my occasional day limo service to places outside of town. If anyone has a recommendation for a comparable Taxi service (using email) please PM me, or feel free to post here for the benefit of other members.
Thanks in advance,
- Gunga
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[QUOTE=Gunga Din; 1476622]In the last 3 years of coming to Pattaya I have exclusively used Mr T Taxi, based in LK Metro area. But I'm kind of done with the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url]-poor attitude I keep getting from them of late, and I'm looking of a new email-friendly Taxi service for Airport pickups / dropoffs, as well as my occasional day limo service to places outside of town. If anyone has a recommendation for a comparable Taxi service (using email) please PM me, or feel free to post here for the benefit of other members.
Thanks in advance,
- Gunga[/QUOTE]These guys are very reliable:
[url]http://www.pattayataxi.info/[/url]
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[QUOTE=BlygdTuktaren; 1476572]This thing about girls asking different prices for different customers make me upset, it's like the carpenter would take care of you're house for 1000$ but charge 2000$ if some other guy were the house owner.
I don't go to prostitutes to feel less attractive compaired to one other guy, then I could just go to the nightclub back home.
What is wrong with these prostitutes in Thailand, they're not a bunch of college girls going to the nightclub for fun and to only sleep with prince charming, they're prostitutes sleeping with customers as their profession to be able to support their families and themselves.[/QUOTE]What I have noticed is that the price disparity is in effect in countries that have a large freelance pool and is known for GFE. My definition of GFE is nothing sexual. It is that the girl will make you feel like she is your girlfriend. You have met her in a normal setting such as a disco or at the beach. You can take her to eat, go to the movies, and she is willing to spend time with you doing a bunch of normal shit. Not just, take her to the hotel, she sucked me without a condom, I came, and she was on her way. To me that is the hooker experience and has nothing to do with GFE. For the most part you are going to find these types in places such as Thailand, Philippines, Brazil, and Dominican Republic.
Now if I walked into Angel Witch or Devil's Den, then I know the price is carved in stone. So if I want to take a girl from there I will be paying a set bar fine and a set price for the girl that is across the board the same for everybody. But what I know is that many of those girls can be found other places when those establishments close. And that is when the price is more flexible. Now if you have your heart set on a certain girl then it is best to get her whenever you see her, because you do not know what girl is going where after work, unless you ask. And a lot of them will just go home instead of going to party afterwards.
Also, what you are not taking in to account is that freelancers can pick and choose who they want to go with. They are their own boss. Just like the carpenter can pick and choose what job he accepts. It is not all about money to these freelance GFE types. For they also want BFE. They want someone who they can see as their actual boyfriend. They are not the ones to go with the fat, smelly, drunk farang stereotype who is usually found in a beer bar and do whatever he says just because he is giving them money. They have their own mind, program, agenda, and many times they already have a wallet full of money and will buy drinks for you.
The other day my new 36F girl was telling me she went out. I asked her if she went to the hotel with anyone. She said no. I said why the fuck not? She said there was a guy who wanted to take her, but he was not her type. I told her fuck that. Your type is whoever is giving you money. From now on if someone wants you to go with them and they are giving you money then you go.
Just last week a buddy of mine was in town and a chick in the disco told him that she wanted to go with him LT, but did not want any money. He said that he ended up giving her 1000 baht anyway when she got on the elevator to leave. Another story that I have told before is about the girl who works in Alcatraz. She bar fined herself for 1000 baht. Then she went to the disco to drink with her friends. Then she came home with me LT for 1000 baht. It is not only about money with these type girls. Yes, at the end of the day they are still prostitutes because they go with men for money, but not in the traditional sense that you are expecting them to be.
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Legal working age
[quote=hotman 666;1476564][/quote]believe the legal age for being on a bar is 20 there, working or not. if they are **** they will still say they are 20.[/quote]i thought that the magic age was 20 as well for the bars but i am in pattaya now and in several of the go go's when i have asked the girls ages i have been told "me 18!"
this includes some of the nude dancers as well!
also one of the go go's had a meeter / greeter with beautiful big tits who told me she was only seventeen!
so, be careful.
sorry guys, before you ask no, i will not tell you which go go's they were.
enjoy,
i am.
hotman[/quote]actually, the legal age to work in a bar is 18, but the legal age to be a patron is 20. there have been girls fined who were barfined by customers who then went to another bar that was raided by police.
i remember a similar law in maryland decades ago. one needed to be 18 to pour drinks, but 21 to drink drinks.
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Great Taxi Service
I use them every time I travel between BKK and Pattaya. They are great.
SW4.
[QUOTE=Run Mann; 1476625]These guys are very reliable:
[url]http://www.pattayataxi.info/[/url][/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Opebo;1476261]Finally I think it may be because the drug addicts who used to provide such excellent service are now in jail.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=PinkPearl;1476305]Your last sentence made my day. Can't wait to hear your explanation of that one.[/QUOTE]What explanation? I should've thought it was self-evident. The drugs give them both a slim physique and a high motivation to provide great service.
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[QUOTE=Opebo;1476670]What explanation? I should've thought it was self-evident. The drugs give them both a slim physique and a high motivation to provide great service.[/QUOTE]I wasn't expecting that comeback, or any at all, actually. The willingness for 3 hole backbacking had occurred to me, but I'm sure many TGs are up for that anyway, whether ice heads or not. The motivations to karma, family & the latest iphone are the only drugs they need to do anything your heart desires.
Likewise Thailand is slim central station already. Add yabba, the crazy drug, to that, and you may end up with an anorexic looking thing, and one more likely to be fucked up than provide "great service". Fucked up including such things as being HIV positive & running around town butt naked. While I found the occasional addict sex worker in Canada was amazing, long ago I left that scene for the safer arena & more consistent efforts of Thailand's ladies.
But if you're looking for meth heads, come up to Bangkok. You'll have no trouble finding many there. Though if I was you, I'd look into relocating to Singapore or Hong Kong. They are in dire need of English teachers, salary would be much higher than LOS, and you could feast on economical dishes from Vietnam, PI, Indonesia, PRC, as well as Thai. What's that they say, variety is the spice of life?
You should enjoy yourself while you're relatively young & haven't yet lost your mojo or become bed ridden. Alas, there won't be much left to live for after that happens!
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Taxi service within Pattay
[QUOTE=Run Mann; 1476625]These guys are very reliable:
[url]http://www.pattayataxi.info/[/url][/QUOTE]Thank you Run Mann, and also SirWilliam4, for your recommendation. I really appreciate the fast response, and will try them out on this upcoming Saturday.
Just to be clear, Mr T Taxi has always delivered on their promise for pickups, and I don't mean to suggest anyone should avoid them. As a businessman myself I know the power of negative publicity that is unwarranted. However, my problem with Mr T is that increasingly they avoid answering emails within a few hours (prompting me to physically go to their office to confirm a booking) , as well as their unprofessional and hostile dealings in the last several face-to-face encounters with their staff. In the face of that unpleasantness I'm happy to move on to regular use of PattayaTaxi as a substitute service. Thus the free market speaks.
All the best to you both,
- Gunga
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[QUOTE=Gunga Din;1476706]...Just to be clear, Mr T Taxi has always delivered on their promise for pickups...[/QUOTE]When I booked them last time I was there, they didn't show up and left me stranded at DMK. Ended up taking the shuttle to BKK and the bus from there.
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Interesting replies from Mr E and all you other mongers. Maybe I have to apply a new way of looking at the scene of hookers in Thailand.
This makes me wonder if the girl who invited me to live at her place and all the GFE for a total cost of 1k B actually liked me. Of course she said she did but of course because she indeed wanted 1k B every morning I thought it was all about the money in the end of the day, thinking if she really was into me she would not have asked for the money. It feels like it's not that easy to understand the Thai WG market with a western mind.
After all, I would not have succeeded with her in the disco back home.
[QUOTE=Rjsss212;1476587]So, you're upset huh? How many times have you been to the LOS?[/QUOTE]2 times if that makes any difference concerning that.
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[QUOTE=Daddy07; 1476338]Amex's observations are spot on. If a girl likes you and is comfortable with you; if she has fun with you and likes to be with you, she'll go for less than she expects from ordinary customers. Even an old geezer like me can score. I have, for example, a regular who is a show girl that dances nude at one of the Pattaya go-go's. She calls me every week asking to come to my condo to service me ST for 500 baht, and the service is top notch. She just likes me; likes to pet my dog and we have fun together while she's here.
All the girls at the disco's know Mr. E. And know he doesn't put up with ridiculous high prices or bullshit, so he knows how to get them to go with him at low prices. If they don't he just moves on to the next one. He knows where to find them.
As for Amex Spg, I've met this guy. He's young. He's handsome. He's fun. He walks into a bar and the girls are all over him. So I'm surprised he pays 1, 500 for LT. He should be getting it for free.[/QUOTE]I always wonder when my number comes up and the man ask me what I want to come back after reading this I know what to tell him along with making sure I never have to worry about money?
LBM
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[QUOTE=BlygdTuktaren; 1476572]This thing about girls asking different prices for different customers make me upset, it's like the carpenter would take care of you're house for 1000$ but charge 2000$ if some other guy were the house owner.
I don't go to prostitutes to feel less attractive compaired to one other guy, then I could just go to the nightclub back home.
What is wrong with these prostitutes in Thailand, they're not a bunch of college girls going to the nightclub for fun and to only sleep with prince charming, they're prostitutes sleeping with customers as their profession to be able to support their families and themselves.
I guess you have a point here even if I'm allergic to overpayers.
But after all, how will one explain the gogo girls asking twice as much today compared to a couple of years ago if it ain't because of the overpayers?[/QUOTE]This is the oldest profession in the world? The reason why things doesn't make sense is because you can't apply Econ 101 to this professional if you do you will certainly be confused?
As they like to charge more for their services we also do the same by trying to get them to take less, it works both ways buddy? Don't get yourself all bent out of shape?
LBM
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[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1476688]The motivations to karma, family & the latest iphone are the only drugs they need to do anything your heart desires.
Likewise Thailand is slim central station already.[/quote]
They look rather fat to me lately, and I've never noticed karma, family, or iphones to be any motivation. After all, the cost of an iphone is nothing compared to the earnings of any even moderately good looking Thai sex-worker, good service or bad. Also I think the devotion to family thing is outdated as well.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1476688]Though if I was you, I'd look into relocating to Singapore or Hong Kong. They are in dire need of English teachers, salary would be much higher than LOS, and you could feast on economical dishes from Vietnam, PI, Indonesia, PRC, as well as Thai. What's that they say, variety is the spice of life?[/quote]
Well, that isn't my profession; but since you bring it up, why would they need English teachers in those places where they already speak English? Secondly, the higher salary in such places is negated by the much higher cost of living, n'est ce-pas?
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[QUOTE=BlygdTuktaren;1476847]2 times if that makes any difference concerning that.[/QUOTE]I wasn't being snarky. Your posts, while apparently sincere suggest a naiveté that, I'm guessing, is supported at least in part by a lack of mongering experience whether in the LOS or elsewhere.
It's really not all that different wherever you go once you've read the playbook.
I can't speak for others (though I suspect many are the same) but I've learned to separate or at least redirect the emotion from the sex. It's great when it goes well but I've read many posts where its clear a mongers emotions got the better of him.
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[QUOTE=Opebo;1476893]They look rather fat to me lately, and I've never noticed karma, family, or iphones to be any motivation. After all, the cost of an iphone is nothing compared to the earnings of any even moderately good looking Thai sex-worker, good service or bad. Also I think the devotion to family thing is outdated as well.[/QUOTE]Do you spend any time talking with P4P ladies getting to know their minds? Or is it basicly wham bam, thank you man?
Re cell phones, it seems many of them in BKK have to have the latest & best. So a new 20,000 baht phone every few months. That's on top of the money for personal expenses, the thousands they send every week or month to family, cost for any kids they have, their education, etc. At the end of the month when rent is due they can be especially desperate.
[QUOTE=Opebo;1476893]Well, that isn't my profession; but since you bring it up, why would they need English teachers in those places where they already speak English? Secondly, the higher salary in such places is negated by the much higher cost of living, n'est ce-pas?[/QUOTE]I seem to recall OTH speaking of that as your job, though I noticed recently your reference to a business. In Singapore English proficiency is much better than Thailand, although IME it appears Chinese is the primary lingo in daily usage. Those I've encountered don't speak it very well, if at all, in most cases. I wouldn't be surprised if many of the rich have tutors for their kids so they can get a leg up education wise. I know quite a few of them hire expert chess players towards the same goal.
Aside from accomodations expenses I haven't found SG any more expensive than BKK. If I wanted to I could downgrade my place so that I pay the same amount as I do in Siam. A quickie with a Thai, Viet, Indo, EI is easily attainable for the SG equivalent of 600 baht. Check it out. Flights from BKK with AirAsia only around 50 USD.
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[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1477017]Do you spend any time talking with P4P ladies getting to know their minds? ...the thousands they send every week or month to family...[/quote]
Yeah, I do talk to them, I find it interesting. I've never run across anyone who actually claimed to send thousands home to family. I think they almost all just live hand-to-mouth and just take a few thousand home when they go to visit. Could be wrong of course.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1477017]Aside from accomodations expenses I haven't found SG any more expensive than BKK. If I wanted to I could downgrade my place so that I pay the same amount as I do in Siam. A quickie with a Thai, Viet, Indo, EI is easily attainable for the SG equivalent of 600 baht. Check it out. Flights from BKK with AirAsia only around 50 USD.[/QUOTE]
Well, I've never lived in Bangkok, but I think of 5,000 baht/month as the upper limit for residence costs anywhere in the kingdom. I have been to Singapore a couple of times - it was nice enough. I seem to remember paying more like 1,500 baht equivalent for short time service with non-Chinese girls (if I remember rightly Chinese were even more, but I don't like Chinese).
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Pattaya now
Hello friends,
Now I am in Pattaya. There are not many tourists now and girls should be all for me. Jejejeje.
But I have to be sincere with you: it is the first time I visit Pattaya and I'm I so surprised about many girls that you can buy here.
My hotel is at Soi 13. I don't like bars and every night I am at Beach Road. There are many many girls here after the 8:00 pm but it is hard to find a very beautiful girl.
Some ask 2000 bath for ST, other 1500 bath for ST and other 1000 bath for ST. I have seen many outdoor bars too and if I have to be sincere it is hard to find a real gem. May be my taste is different from other guys here and I have to tell you I will not go anymore to Pattaya. Many girls but not for my taste.
I have chatted with a regular girl on Badoo and tomorrow I will meet her in my room. She has some beautiful pics on the net and I hope she is beautiful in person too.
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Agree on the first one
[QUOTE=FoxesHunter;1477658]I have seen many outdoor bars too and if I have to be sincere it is hard to find a real gem. May be my taste is different from other guys here.[/QUOTE]Actually with my girl, which I picked from a beer bar on WS, in Krabi, I have to agree to the first one. Took me some time to find her, like you said. In case, you have higher requirements, you should try a gogo. But be aware of high prices, like I mentioned in my previous reports. Note the protests against the prices I paid. Being used to top quality in Ukraine or Russia, where I go quite often during the year, I am not happy with the average quality to be found in Pattaya, too.
Regarding the second statement, looks like we both share some higher level. So, try one of the big Body Massage Salons, on Second Street, between Soi 3 and Soi 1. The (not too young) ladies are good looking, and excellent performers usually.
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Take your time
[QUOTE=FoxesHunter; 1477658]Hello friends, now I am in Pattaya. There are not many tourists now and girls should be all for me. Jejejeje.
But I have to be sincere with you: it is the first time I visit Pattaya and I'm I so surprised about many girls that you can buy here.
My hotel is at Soi 13. I don't like bars and every night I am at Beach Road. There are many many girls here after the 8:00 pm but it is hard to find a very beautiful girl.
Some ask 2000 bath for ST, other 1500 bath for ST and other 1000 bath for ST. I have seen many outdoor bars too and if I have to be sincere it is hard to find a real gem. May be my taste is different from other guys here and I have to tell you I will not go anymore to Pattaya. Many girls but not for my taste.
I have chatted with a regular girl on Badoo and tomorrow I will meet her in my room. She has some beautiful pics on the net and I hope she is beautiful in person too.[/QUOTE]Dude, with more than 500 posts, I'm sure you know how the scene works.
Pattaya is an awesome place. Take your time in searching for your taste. You will find it there.
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[QUOTE=Reiner Otto;1477760]Regarding the second statement, looks like we both share some higher level. So, try one of the big Body Massage Salons, on Second Street, between Soi 3 and Soi 1. The (not too young) ladies are good looking, and excellent performers usually.[/QUOTE]How could you know the type of girl the original poster likes without seeing a picture? Or did you just assume that because it was hard for him to find someone for his taste and it is hard for you to find someone for your taste that you both have the same taste?
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[QUOTE=FoxesHunter; 1477658]I don't like bars and every night I am at Beach Road. There are many many girls here after the 8:00 pm but it is hard to find a very beautiful girl.
Some ask 2000 bath for ST, other 1500 bath for ST and other 1000 bath for ST. I have seen many outdoor bars too and if I have to be sincere it is hard to find a real gem. May be my taste is different from other guys here and I have to tell you I will not go anymore to Pattaya. Many girls but not for my taste.[/QUOTE]Why are they asking you for this money? They usually ask me 500 to 700.
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[QUOTE=Opebo;1478084]Why are they asking you for this money? They usually ask me 500 to 700.[/QUOTE]Does your race increase what the girls quote you? If your a farang, will that increase what the girls quote you?
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Regular know better
[QUOTE=Opebo;1478084]Why are they asking you for this money? They usually ask me 500 to 700.[/QUOTE]To Opebo.
They know you are a regular not one of the sucker newbie that will paid the tourist price, but for me even at 500 bht cannot find anyone that I like to take home.
Fast Eddie 48
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[QUOTE=Opebo;1477292]Yeah, I do talk to them, I find it interesting. I've never run across anyone who actually claimed to send thousands home to family. I think they almost all just live hand-to-mouth and just take a few thousand home when they go to visit. Could be wrong of course.[/QUOTE]Yes completely wrong. Many working girls are supporting several members of family sometimes including gambling debts, and stupid stuff.
[QUOTE]Well, I've never lived in Bangkok, but I think of 5,000 baht/month as the upper limit for residence costs anywhere in the kingdom.[/QUOTE]Ha Ha. Very very wrong again. Inner Bangkok prices are high. You don't get much for 5K and certainly not close in.
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6 Days 5 nights during Rainy August in Words Part 2
Wake up and check my watch, its 11am. Miss D is showing no sighs of movement, so I use the time to sober up. Open the balcony door for some ventilation and reduce the fragrance of sex from the room. The body needs some hydration, so opt for some orange juice instead of the stable coffee. Can't be asked walking down again with my cup for the hot water. Rummage around the fridge to get some mangoes and dragon fruit out, perch myself on the scary balcony soaking the sun.
Noon, get into bed for some coochie coo. Miss D, comes around, she looks a bit different from the one I had slept with. Parts of her makeup must have come on to the pillows or she must have had a thorough face wash sometime during the night. Try for some DFK, she bluntly refuses and whines like a child,"not brush". No issue, at least she is up and we end up showering and getting ready for the day. She gives me her number and asks me if I come tonight to visit her tonight. I nod in agreement and walk with her all the way to beach road where she gets on a moped. I walk on to second road and get a songtaew. Its time to pay an old friend a visit so end up at the lane after soi 6 near the bank looking for Mong Tattoo studio, the shop has disappeared and the ladies in bar next door don't have a clue. What a waste of time, and start calculating which will be faster, me walking back to Pattaya Klang or going a full circle in the baht bus. Decide on the baht bus, it is a good way to pass time. Find this gentleman with his version of a sombrero on the truck. He is oblivious to me taking pictures, and smiles from time to time.
Gets off at Dolphin circle, and we get stuck in this bcklog of traffic near Amari. A good 30 minutes later I jump off at CF, for lunch. End up at the food court again, top up a 500 on my card and take a good walk wishing something new has been introduced in the menu. For all the activities I do, I am quite a poor eater and prefer smaller meals from time to time. Decide to go for some pork and the usual lemongrass drink without ice.
Start walking aimlessly and end up in a regular massage place joint opp Ceasars. Decide for a normal thai, and am asked to wait, as some of the girls are on their lunch break. They give me a seat in the hallway outside the main glassed massage hall. TIme to check on the regular world through facebook, the usual checkins at airports, birthday candles, dinners at fancy restaurant, trying to be intellectual forwards and quotes. Should not complain, this is the world I spend my other 11 months in. Time for my massage, into the baba suit and tell them I want the back and legs only. The next thing I remember is somebody asking me to wake up, and advising me to rest more. 200 + 50 tip, I am on the road again. Maybe its time I should get a proper rest. Walk through soi 7 and 8, its completely dead. End up at the back of some bar on WS facing the sea, having my Heineken with a furry fellow for company. Its close to 7pm, time to reflect on the day and plan for the night as twilight falls.
Finish my drink, stock up on some supplies from 7-11 and head back to my room at Jasmine. Lie down on bed for some relaxo, body is tired but the processor in the mind is overclocking on the options for the night. Shower, a fresh set of clothes and am back on WS. Head to the corner of SOi Diamond to grab a pizza. The crust is too thick, but I am too hungry to complain. Watch a lot of talent in Candy shop so head there and grab a table just behind the first row. It is still early and a few seats to be had, am praying for some talent looking for a place to sit join me in the coming hour. Am tempted to opt for a shisha, but what the hell, I have one at home and the flavors they offer here are no match for the traditional Bahraini. It is nearing 11 and the place is getting packed, am getting a lot of eye contact as I hold on to my table. My bad luck, none of the crowd share my table, they keep heading back to the back of the bar. Pay my tab, and decide to move on to ibar.
Place is busy already, and want to take a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] before I get a table as I am alone. Back outside, take a walk to the end near the sea inspecting the talent. Sheesha-sheesha everywhere, would look odd if I sat here and didn't order one. So I head back to the entrance, am only half way there, that something starts lugging to the back of my trouser. Its the dane's gf from a night before. She invites back to their table where M Dane has just bought a full tray of shooters for the gf and her troupe. This routine continues into the night, with Mr Dane buying trays after tray and paying for each round in cash. My throat starts feeling odd after a couple, so I stick to my JD and coke. The Dane offers me a bottle. 1600 baht+ if I remember correct. I politely decline, I don't take favors from people I have just met nor am I capable of finishing it alone. Finishing the bottle wouldn't be much of any issue, as I observe on every other table girls are feasting on whatever is placed in the middle, moving from drink to drink based on whats available, no drink ethic. Dane's GF wants to do dance and gets me off the stool. Do a small dance with some her of pals joining in, reach for a cigarette on the table and am shocked to find it cleaned by the gang of ladies, mea culpa. Whisper to the Dane, I need to get some fags and a sandwich. Turn left to the nearest 7-11 and get a pack of M'boro lights with those shocking pictures on the cover, a sandwich and some water. Do a quick WS reconnaissance, eating and drinking along the way. Reach Baccara and turn back around to ibar. Luckily, the drinks are still there. Some more dancing on songs I don't know or will ever play in my car, tell the dane good night and I shall see him upstairs later.
Get myself a table and order a double jack and water. Drink the water slowly and leave the jack for the sake of appearance. A few minutes later a very nice dusky lady comes and stands on the table next to me. Wait for her to make her next 360 sweep to exchange a smile, she smiles back. I get up and ask her if she would like to share my table. She agrees and we do some chit chat, she was with some Turkish man for a week, he got into a fight and now she is single and free. I liked her attitude and simplicity, she even ordered a round for me. We kept on chatting and decide to head out for a go go tour. Tried Living Dolls which was nearby, and chatted up some hot dusky bird with big knockers. Needed a refill of cash so walked back down Soi BJ, near the hotel she asks what this place was. I tell her this is where I am put up. She likes the view from the balcony and we do some DFK right there and decide to chill in the room. Some more beers and talk till 4 am, then a quick shower and hit the sheets. She is very affectionate and has a very soulful face and eyes. Give her a good licking, and she gives me a great BJ making some funny sound in her throat while she is at it which I find very amusing and a bit later distracting. Takes the whole load in her mouth, we crash and I ask her for a wee massage to put me to bed. She obliges and brings day 3 to a conclusion. Started day 4 with a great BJ from Miss R, her name in Thai means gem, and she truly was. I really just loved her face and lips, so kissable. We showered and went out for breakfast to Kiss Foods near Soi Diana. Really wanted to hold on to her, but with only 2 days left, I had to give her the usual words of I will call you yaa and move on. Decided to do some shopping, so off to Tuk. Com. There is this DVD chain Mangpong, where I pick my suitcase full of DVD's for home. This shop is staffed by 2 geeky boys who are very much into movies.
I prefer this shop to MBK Bangkok which is real busy and full of tourists at any given time. I get my usual hand cart, slip it on the floor and start looking for latest releases. This place is real economy and the prints are pretty decent. I generally get a lot of Japanese horror, foreign language and independent films which never get released or distributed in the gulf. Only thing you have to be careful of is to check the subtitles, as sometimes they are only in Thai.
Spent a good hour and a half here with the guys, even showed them their pic I took on a previous tip. Paid off and asked them to hold on to my parcel while I did a little tour upstairs.
The usual so trinkets and cosmetics, and some cute promotion staff. Went a floor more to the mobile ghetto and got some girly phone covers for S3 and Iphone to be given as gifts later. Came across this very cute T-shirt packed in a box, bargained and got it for 300 baht, a set of two t-shirts one for a boy and one for a girl with some funny slogan. Back down, parcel in hand. A little walk around the gay / french quarter. Wanted to check out Mosaik for my next stay, decided to give it a skip. A few pictures and back on a moto-taxi to deposit the loot in my duffel. Slept for a while and decided to watch the sunset again from Beach Road. Spotted this group of tourists with this hottie amongst them. Cursed myself for not carrying my SLR, is any body has a problem I will take them off. Strangely, this girl spotted me and maintained eye contact while I was snapping her. Me a true people catcher continued being glued to the eye piece giving her the impression I am shooting something else and later panned away. Started by wee walk back and ended up in Pattaya Beer Garden, started with some coffee and ordered a main course after the sun had set as I had already got myself a nice sea view table already. The steak was pretty ordinary, and the ambiance was bit dark too with the solitary candle making it difficult to see what you are eating. The place was dead at this time, the inside section I mean where the free lancers are supposed to hang out. I could only see couples and a few falang groups. Paid my tab and made my way through the beer bar complex, I spotted this nice looking face. Got myself a drink and took it slowly, can't drink really after a meal. She was spelling some words out using a board game which I found very amusing. Decided to bar fine her, considering her youth a tender 19. 10 minutes later we are in our room waiting for the other to make the first move. Miss 19, turned out to be a bushy wonder. Had smooth, supple skin (like a child) and a decent rack. Had to do most of the training for the next 2 hours. She did everything with a gentle nod and I used my judgement by gauging her expressions of continuing acts she liked and stopping what she didn't. Coming to 10 pm I gave her cash, a kiss on her forehead and sent her packing. Passed out on the bed, for a while waking up at around 1 am with a call from Miss R. She was coming to ibar and wanted me to join her. I asked her that I was feeling a bit groggy and asked her if she would join me in my room. 30 mins later, we are in bed watching some Thai soap in our birthday suits. Sleep off, action postponed to tomorrow.
Woke up very refreshed, a bit of sleep and spacing the sex can be a good thing. Got ourselves some noodles from the soi and fresh fruits. A super round of sex followed the breakfast, one of the most erotic sessions of my life. We showered and went back to bed again for another about. Got a knock from housekeeping around noon, a greedy woman who always demands tips. So I kept a mountain of coins on the dresser just for her. I tell her I am tired and will be some time in the room and plant some of the coins in her palm. Another shower and we are ready for the world outside. This girl doesn't mention any money, and I play along just to verify what is her agenda. We walk all the way to the end of WS, she jumps onto a S'taew and she is off. Wow, what a woman. Who gives freebies. I only have a day left, so defer all maths about Miss R and our future prospects and continue my day.
Call up Bell for my transfer to BKK for tomorrow noon, one last round of CF and lunch at the food court, some more cash from Kasikorn for last nights festivities. Spend the rest of the day taking pics around WS and some of the other soi's. Do a traditional oil massage and get back to the room for some ZZZ. Time to hit to the go go's. I find we always waste a lot of cash on the last night, it is just nature, to save the best for last. What actually happens, is that in that hurry to do more and have more fun we end up with the more mediocre, star fish type of girls. And this is exactly what happened with me. The first barfine was very early at around 10pm. A big boobed wonder from one of the smaller go go's on the right, the only thing I remember is her number was no 1.
Unfortunately her 36C's didn't compensate for her lack of enthusiasm in bed, it was a hurried job like a master chef pressure challenge. 1 minute left, fuckkkkkkk. Recovering from this sad event, decided to cheer myself up at Windmills. Had a girl stroking cock within 5 mins of me getting a seat near the exit. She was nice looking but what really got me was that blank look in her eyes all the time she was with me. Tipped her a 100 and moved to the table on the back left where 2 girls were doing the banana and ice routine.
Another punter was licking one of them out, so the other offered me her honey pot. I have still some inhibitions to shed when it comes to doing acts in public so I decline. She keeps on insisting and offers me her bum instead. I will be begged for tips when the finish the act so I insert my index into her bum hole. She starts jerking her entire hip taking my hand with her, oh god this has to stop. I disengage and ask for one of the nicer looking girls who is dancing on the table next to join me. Get her a drink and start fondling her boobies while she robotically strokes my cock. I hate this kind of disconnect, so I pay my tab and am out.
Heaven Above Next. Heaven above looks busy, some kind of party. Can see Mr Pig being roasted on the left hand side. Hmm, perfect. Just when I was getting hungry.
Enter and try to find a seat, am given one of the portable chairs near the poles, perfect. Not much of back support, but good scenery all around. Get some eye contact from Ms Dusky from the previous night, she wants to some tequila shots but claims she is not bar finable, bla bla and only a certain gentry can afford her. Bla bla. Clear my tab and get outside to get some sausages and bread before its too late. Meet another Briton Dave or Dennis (can't recollect) , who makes great conversation, he turns out to be the co owner of the joints. We head back inside and am introduced to a lot of folk at the back near the DJ, seems all friends of the owner and other regulars. Get some positive signal from another skinny lass in a red lingerie who has just come of her shift on the poles. Get her a drink and do the usual get to know each other chit chat. Doesn't do LT, so I give my good byes and head out. Want to try Happy but get the usual members only talk, walk back from the alley and head to ibar. One drink is consumed looking for talent from end to end, head upstairs and bump into the Great Dane again. Up to the VIP, decide to just enjoy the evening, pulling will have to take a back seat. Have a dance and drink with around 4 girls, that night waiting for a proposition. I know when I am drunk and coming to 4 am, I decide to end the last evening on a high. Walk back to the hotel and tell the reception to wake me at any cost at 10am.
TBC in the Bangkok thread. Have attached a few pics which depict the story line.
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[QUOTE=CorporateMalaya;1478175]Get her a drink and start fondling her boobies while she again robotically strokes my cock.[/QUOTE]Damn, I too hate when this happens! :D
Good TR, thank you!
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The Windmill
the windmill club must be the nastiest go2 bar in pattaya (in the nicest possible way). within minutes of entering, i had one girl in a bowling ball grip with forefinger inserted in her ass and thumb up her twat whilst another girl was gyrating her juicy bits just inches from my face and inviting me to shove an unpeeled banana up her (memo to self - never ever order a banana sundae in the windmill). and all for the price of a few ladydrinks. later, witnessed a marvelously erotic scene play out. a guy had brought his bi-curious thai gf to the bar and and told one of the bg's, who was a self professed lezzie, about her. his gf proceeded to get near raped by the horny bg. very entertaining. this is the place to come if you are with your gf and want to make a threesomes.
barfines are a bit steep though at 1000 if you want to take a girl lt.
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[quote=cunning stunt; 1478254]the windmill club must be the nastiest go2 bar in pattaya (in the nicest possible way). within minutes of entering, i had one girl in a bowling ball grip with forefinger inserted in her ass and thumb up her twat whilst another girl was gyrating her juicy bits just inches from my face and inviting me to shove an unpeeled banana up her (memo to self. never ever order a banana sundae in the windmill). and all for the price of a few ladydrinks. later, witnessed a marvelously exotic scene play out. a guy had brought his bi-curious thai gf to the bar and and told one of the bg's, who was a self professed lezzie, about her. his gf proceeded to get near raped by the horny bg. very entertaining. this is the place to come if you are with your gf and want to make a threesomes.
barfines are a bit steep though at 1000 if you want to take a girl lt.[/quote]pataya bf now goes up to 1000bht? wow! in bangkok be it st or lt, bf is unified in all bars at 600 bht only.
in the past, in my memory pataya always stay the lowest as compare to bangkok, be it lt or st. i wonder how much they charge now? my last visit way back 4 years ago in pataya, i pay 3500bht but i know that is way high for lt as i like the girl, so i just give it. but in my last trip few months ago to bkk, the lt still at 4000 bht and st at 2000 bht.
cheers,
md
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[QUOTE=Macho Dik; 1478261]Pataya BF now goes up to 1000BHT? Wow! In Bangkok be it ST or LT, BF is unified in all bars at 600 BHT only.
In the past, in my Memory Pataya always stay the lowest as compare to Bangkok, be it LT or ST. I wonder how much they charge now? My last visit way back 4 years ago in Pataya, I pay 3500bht but I know that is way high for LT as I like the girl, so I just give it. But in my last trip few months ago to BKK, the LT still at 4000 BHT and ST at 2000 bht.
Cheers,
MD[/QUOTE]Think it is only The Windmill that has a two tiered Barfines system at 700 st and 1000 long.
To be fair, the girl only asked 2k LT (1k st) and actually stayed until morning.
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Beach Road playmates.
Beach Road (Coconut Bar.)
There are still many available playmates on Beach Road. Virtually 24/7.
This has always been a Happy Hunting Ground for me when I want some afternoon company.
I must admit that I do NOT go there expecting to meet a 'Model Type' but am more than happy to have a few hours playtime with a 'Girl next door' type with a good attitude at a very reasonable price.
Many of the girls are now starting negotiations at 600 or 700 Baht (some are, rather optimistically trying for 1000 Baht!) but my recent experience is that most will drop the asking price to the norm of 500 Baht rather quickly.
There is also the possibility of finding a 'civilian' who is enjoying a few hours or a day off from work and happy to have some fun (and a few extra Baht) with a Jai Dee Farang.
I read a post a few days ago about the reconstruction of Beach Road. And the seating arrangements.
Yes, there do seem to be fixings already in place for benches to be fitted about every 50 mtrs from around Soi 2 down to Central Road. But I did not see anything in place South of Central Road.
Currently the girls seen to be taking advantage of the sandbags that are on the edge of the beach walk to sit down but these are only there during construction and, I am sure, will soon be removed. I do hope that they will be installing benches there as well for the girls to sit and for our viewing / interviewing pleasure.
Enjoy,
Hotman
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What's Up and two tiered barfines
[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt;1478267]Think it is only The Windmill that has a two tiered Barfines system at 700 st and 1000 long. To be fair, the girl only asked 2k LT (1k st) and actually stayed until morning.[/QUOTE]What's Up has a two tiered barfine system too. It is designed a little different than the one in Windmill. At What's Up, barfines before 12:30am are 2000bt. After 12:30am the barfine is 1000bt. This system is designed to keep the girls in the bar until after midnight and it works. The result is that punters spend more on drinks waiting for the magic moment and the place is really lively and happening most of the evening unlike a lot of other Go Go's that see a lot of girls disappear early. In fact, What's Up is at its best and busiest from around 11pm to 12:30am. I hate this barfine pricing structure, but what can I do, What's Up has some of the best looking girls in any Go Go in Pattaya or all of LOS for that matter. I have a favorite girl in What's Up and believe me she is a stunner. I have barfined her many times and spent many afternoons with her. It is all very GFE. We have a deal. If I want to see her on a particular evening I just call her in the afternoon and tell her I want her that night. The deal is she won't barfine another customer provided I show up before midnight to honor my reservation so to speak. That gives me most of the evening 8pm to 11:45 to barhop and meet other girls or do whatever I want. I then show up at What's Up before midnight, spend an hour in the bar at it's peak time, buy my girl a couple of drinks at the most, and have a great time. Sometimes when I show up she may be sitting with a Japanese or Western customer who is buying her drinks. I sit down at a table, give her a discreet smile, check out all the beautiful girls, say hi to the ones I know, smile at the others I want to know in the future, and order myself a drink. It does not take long for my girl to extricate herself and join me. At the magic hour she changes clothes, I pay the barfine (1000bt) and we go out for dinner before going back to my hotel room for boom boom.
I know some forum members will object to the pricing at this bar. I don't like it much myself. But I have yet to find any Go Go in Pattaya with better looking girls. All things being equal, meaning the sex is as good here as elsewhere and GFE is available, I chose to pay up for quality looks. In any case, I suggest you guys go to What's Up around 11:30pm and see for yourself what all the hubbub is about. You may like it / you may hate it. Up to you.
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[quote=cunning stunt; 1478254]the windmill club must be the nastiest go2 bar in pattaya (in the nicest possible way). within minutes of entering, i had one girl in a bowling ball grip with forefinger inserted in her ass and thumb up her twat whilst another girl was gyrating her juicy bits just inches from my face and inviting me to shove an unpeeled banana up her (memo to self. never ever order a banana sundae in the windmill). and all for the price of a few ladydrinks. later, witnessed a marvelously erotic scene play out. a guy had brought his bi-curious thai gf to the bar and and told one of the bg's, who was a self professed lezzie, about her. his gf proceeded to get near raped by the horny bg. very entertaining. this is the place to come if you are with your gf and want to make a threesomes.
barfines are a bit steep though at 1000 if you want to take a girl lt.[/quote]how do the girls compare looks wise to the other bars? i could see myself living in a place like this. literally!
jack of spades
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[QUOTE=Hotman 666;1478286]I must admit that I do NOT go there expecting to meet a 'Model Type' but am more than happy to have a few hours playtime with a 'Girl next door' type with a good attitude at a very reasonable price.[/QUOTE]Dear Hotman,
What do you mean about 'Girl next door' type? I'm in Beach Road now and I have to tell you all the girls are hardened prostitutes calling passers with the hands and some runs towards you and hugs you. Nice and kind girls, I like their character but certainly 'Girl next door' type.
However after days of searching and testing I found a wonderful girl on Badoo. It is a regular girl not working. She needed money ad for two hours asked me 1500 bath. Her body is 9. 5, her face is 9, attitude is 7. I hope the second time I will meet her I can get better performance. I hope!
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[QUOTE=Jack Of Spades; 1478320]How do the girls compare looks wise to the other bars? I could see myself living in a place like this. Literally!
[/QUOTE]Do you mean in Pattaya or the bar itself? If the latter, they do have a ST room on the premises. Maybe they will rent it out to you. LOL!
Looks wise, I should say that the Windmill girls hold up quite well. Not the quality of one of the better clubs in town but then again you are not getting the attitude either. Just XxX rated entertainment. Mainly 6"s and 7"s with a couple of 8"s thrown in. Didn't see any old girls. Mainly young totty between 18-25.
I would recommend every guy try to get to The Windmill at least once whilst in Pattaya. The place might not be to everyone's taste but the girls are not up themselves like in some places and it is certified 100 per cent fun.
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Working girl
I love it when someone says she's a regular girl not a working girl but she asks for 1500 for 2 hrs.
I will be in Pattaya next week and I will be looking for lots of regular girls like that.
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Shuttel busses
Dear All,
Is the shuttle busses from suvanmaphone airport in bankok to Pattaya has schedule every hours what is the last trip of the day?
Thanks in advance.
Cheers,
MD
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[QUOTE=Macho Dik; 1478576]Dear All,
Is the shuttle busses from suvanmaphone airport in bankok to Pattaya has schedule every hours what is the last trip of the day?
Thanks in advance.
Cheers,
MD[/QUOTE][url]Http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3415-Logistics-Bus-from-Bangkok-to-Pattaya-return[/url]
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In search of fake tits
About a year ago I was bar hopping on Walking Street. I wandered into yet another go go without looking at the name. The interior was red if I recall correctly, with plush seats on the walls. It wasn't very big. There were a decent number of girls dancing, topless, and a big percentage of them were porn star type with big fake tits. I took two out and had the time of my life. I just returned and did the same bar crawl over a three day period but never found that bar or any bar with a large percentage of big fake tits. LK Metro too was almost devoid of silicone. Does anyone have a clue which club I went to the first time, or can recommended a club with a good amount of plastic?
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[QUOTE=BlygdTuktaren; 1476572]This thing about girls asking different prices for different customers make me upset, it's like the carpenter would take care of you're house for 1000$ but charge 2000$ if some other guy were the house owner.
I don't go to prostitutes to feel less attractive compaired to one other guy, then I could just go to the nightclub back home.
What is wrong with these prostitutes in Thailand, they're not a bunch of college girls going to the nightclub for fun and to only sleep with prince charming, they're prostitutes sleeping with customers as their profession to be able to support their families and themselves.[/QUOTE]There is no ISO standard for P4P performance, no union scale for compensation. The girls don't have one set price for all customers, just like all customers don't offer the same compensation to all girls. Each transaction is unique, with a myriad of factors determining what any girl or customer will offer / accept at a given moment. A girl can make two wildly different offers to two different customers in the space of five minutes and at 1. 00 a. M, she may be willing to accept a lower offer from a customer she'd initially declined a few hours earlier for even more than that amount.
A lot of it comes down to the luck of the draw. The experience of others can be a useful for getting a idea of what is normally paid by some punters to the girls, but such "price guides" are never deterministic. On any night, in any bar in Pattaya, a punter may end up paying more or less than what many consider the most commonly paid price. Whether he accepts or rejects a premium price will be decided by how much he values that particular girl's services at just that moment.
Forget the rules and ceilings on compensation spouted by a few skint ex-pats. Pay the girl what you consider to be fair and she's willing to accept. If you're happy and she's happy, then the price was right. Don't pay more than you can afford, but don't worry about what anyone else claims to pay.
[QUOTE=BlygdTuktaren;1476572]But after all, how will one explain the gogo girls asking twice as much today compared to a couple of years ago if it ain't because of the overpayers?[/QUOTE]Again, the problem is consistency and universality. It's not a general rule that go go dancers are getting double what they did a couple of years ago. There are about 90 go go bars in Pattaya and between 10 and 20 coyote-style places. Thousands of girls work in those bars and many are being compensated at the same rate they were in 2011. It's at the top-end of the scale that prices have risen for a few popular girls whose services are much in demand.
Also, the notion that prices have gone up sharply for all go go girls would assume there was one set price for go go girls in the past and there never has been. Since the very earliest days of farang-facing P4P on the "Golden Mile" in Bangkok in the 1960's, there have been differentiated prices among the girls. There was never a time when all girls, young, old, attractive and unattractive, got the same price.
However, there have always been guys who have had a "fixed limit" on how much there are willing to give the girls, usually an extreme low-ball figure. It's true that those guys probably have a harder time finding companionship these days in the top go gos, simply because the girls are less desperate than they once were.
The "elite level" girls are also more selective about taking risks on new customers and tend to knock back more requests than before. Since the earliest days of P4P in Thailand, girls have used a high price to refuse customers they find undesirable. It doesn't matter how closely the dude resembles Jack the Ripper, Quasimodo or a circus fat man, he still rather hear from the girl, "5, 000 baht for short time," than "You're so hideously repulsive I wouldn't f*ck you for any amount of money." It's the Thai way of saving the customer's face. It also leaves the door open for her accepting a lower fee from him in future if she needs money badly and doesn't have a better option.
Evil
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[QUOTE=Evil Penivel;1479270]It's not a general rule that go go dancers are getting double what they did a couple of years ago. There are about 90 go go bars in Pattaya and between 10 and 20 coyote-style places. Thousands of girls work in those bars and many are being compensated at the same rate they were in 2011. It's at the top-end of the scale that prices have risen for a few popular girls whose services are much in demand. Evil[/QUOTE]Yes, I'm afraid that it is indeed a "general" rule that the price of go-go girls has in fact doubled within the last six years and that most of the increase in cost has occured just within the last two years. Of course there are many exceptions among the girls at the several go-go bars in Pattaya and punters will likely find the general rule more rigidly observed in the higher end go-go establishments.
Average to below average girls at the Happy Group of go-go's, for example, are demanding 2000 baht for short time which is double what they were demanding only 2 years ago. Most of them are not budging even if it means they don't get bar fined. The top stunners in these bars, that is the most popular girls, are asking even more. I know of instances where they are asking and getting as much as 5000 baht for short time. They ask that much because they know they can get it; not because they are trying to knock back the punter because they might not like him.
Even the prices on Soi 6 have increased substantially over the last two years. The cost for girl plus room two years ago, again as a general rule, was not more than 1000 baht all in. Now it is more likely 1350 all in except for girls with below average looks who are much more inclined to accept less because they need the money.
Punters can still find cheap service on Beach Road but even there the better looking girls are starting to demand more; whether they like the customer or not, they know they can get it.
Let's face it; the price for pussy in Pattaya has gone up significantly as a "general rule" nowadays while the value of the dollar has declined substantially against the Thai Baht. Pussy is a lot more expensive here now. All around and all things considered, however, it's still a good deal and Pattaya is still IMHO a great place to pursue the mongering hobby.
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[QUOTE=Evil Penivel; 1479270]The "elite level" girls are also more selective about taking risks on new customers and tend to knock back more requests than before. Since the earliest days of P4P in Thailand, girls have used a high price to refuse customers they find undesirable. It doesn't matter how closely the dude resembles Jack the Ripper, Quasimodo or a circus fat man, he still rather hear from the girl,"5, 000 baht for short time," than "You're so hideously repulsive I wouldn't f*ck you for any amount of money." It's the Thai way of saving the customer's face. It also leaves the door open for her accepting a lower fee from him in future if she needs money badly and doesn't have a better option.
Evil[/QUOTE]I have had this couple of time. I thought the girls were being so greedy! Never explored the possibility of them saying no. But, looking back, I agree, it could also have been a reason.
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[QUOTE=Daddy07;1479306]Let's face it; the price for pussy in Pattaya has gone up significantly as a "general rule" nowadays while the value of the dollar has declined substantially against the Thai Baht. Pussy is a lot more expensive here now. All around and all things considered, however, it's still a good deal and Pattaya is still IMHO a great place to pursue the mongering hobby.[/QUOTE]Daddy,
I would agree with you that the INITIAL ASKING prices in Pattaya have certainly increased.
However, if you have some previous experience, are not completely repulsive and perhaps speak a few words of Thai then the final price paid is not so different to that of a few years ago.
This is just MY experience and I have to qualify my comments by saying that this ONLY relates to Beach Road. And Bar Beers. (As I rarely take playmates from Go Go's.)
One thing that I will add.
When I was much younger my experience was that the rule of 'no money, no honey' firmly applied in Thailand.
Now, when I am MUCH older and uglier, I seem to get 'freebee's' with civilians rather regularly both in BKK and Pattaya with just the costs of a Thai meal for two or a couple of drinks and a little taxi money involved.
Don't as me why but perhaps I am rather more laid back and relaxed now about the whole scene.
I am certainly a LOT more experienced and I do always try to treat my playmates as 'human beings' rather than 'pieces of meat. '
I regularly find that girls are also happy to stay with me rather longer than the minimum expected time and are happy to meet again with NO mention or expectation of money changing hands.
I have been told by my playmates that I am Jai Dee and that the time together with me is Sannuk Mak Mar!
I have recently returned home from Thailand and, together with a good amount of P4P managed two 'freebee's in Bangkok and two in Pattaya without any huge effort. Go figure!
Enjoy,
Hotman
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[QUOTE=Hotman 666; 1479470]Daddy,
However, if you have some previous experience, are not completely repulsive and perhaps speak a few words of Thai then the final price paid is not so different to that of a few years ago.
I have been told by my playmates that I am Jai Dee and that the time together with me is Sannuk Mak Mar!
Hotman[/QUOTE]
Yes, since it's 'mag mag' I guess you really only speak a few words of Thai. You'd think with all your 'experience' you'd learn at least the most basic of Thai words. What exactly do you talk about with all these supposed Thai civilians you're pulling in ?
And who says Daddy doesn't have experience, doesn't treat the Thai women with respect, doesn't treat them as 'pieces of meat', isn't 'jai dii, isn't 'completely repulsive' and all the other bullshit assumptions you've piled on him. It might have nothing to do with the punter but prices having increased for every day living and the insane amount of tourists shoveling through Pattaya. You're such a HOT STUD who somehow pulls in all these Thai women with zero Thai speaking capacity you tell me. BTW, in my experience Jai dii means the same as siu nung, look it up because I know you haven't a clue what it means.
The price for a skanker off beach road hasn't changed appreciably but 19 year old go-go hotties are asking 2000-2500 short time (and only short time).
I'm posting this from Pattaya where I'm leaving today back for Bangers, another place where prices have gone up except for the lowest rent fuglies.
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[QUOTE=Opebo;1477292]Well, I've never lived in Bangkok, but I think of 5,000 baht/month as the upper limit for residence costs anywhere in the kingdom. I have been to Singapore a couple of times - it was nice enough. I seem to remember paying more like 1,500 baht equivalent for short time service with non-Chinese girls (if I remember rightly Chinese were even more, but I don't like Chinese).[/QUOTE]5000 baht won't get you much of a place in Singapore, maybe a hostel. Though if you're making the minimum 2 or 3 thousand USD a month for a "foreign talent", then splurging a bit on living & entertainment expenses becomes an option, as well as long term investment deposits. Most street walkers may ask 50 SG which is 40 USD or 1200 baht from farangs, but I've been offered half that, even from PRC Chinese, as have others of our kind.
[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1478099]Yes completely wrong. Many working girls are supporting several members of family sometimes including gambling debts, and stupid stuff.
Ha Ha. Very very wrong again. Inner Bangkok prices are high. You don't get much for 5K and certainly not close in.[/QUOTE]Had a TG tell me the other day she paid a mere 3000 baht for her room with AC only a 10 minute bike ride from NEP in BKK. She seemed quite pleased with this find.
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Prices in Pattaya
After reading a few posts on this topic, I would say the truth is "in the middle". It is true that the price has increased in the top places, in particular those patronized by Asian customers. If you see a place with losts of Asian customers, you can be sure it has an effect on the price. It is also true that it is rather recent (just to name an example, the "super" bars fixed tarif was 1500 ST / 2500 LT 2 years ago, and now 2000/3000. And anyway the top girls in this bar will probably not look at you are not a big tipping japanese ATM). It is also true that it has an effect on the other bars (and on the less pretty girls). It is often possible to negotiate a bit, but not too much (I. E. In WS gogos, difficult to get less than 1500 ST / 2000-2500 LT, less in Soi Bukhao area). As concerns the less pretty girls, some accept lower prices, some don't. It depends of the girl's proudness and needs (I. E. To pay room rent) , late time, alcohol.
Having said that, there plenty of cheaper opportunities if you spend some time on it. And if you entertain the girl and not only fuck her. I have a 18 yo FL in Bangkok for 2000 LT / 24h, a pretty 23 yo WS beer bar girl in Pattaya for 1500 LT (untill around 2 pm) , a gorgeous 22 yo gogo friend for 2000 middle time (from around 10 pm to 3/4 am) , and sometimes find a gem in Insomnia for 1000 LT plus small tip. Precision: I am not young.
Moreover (for newbies) , if you ask "how much you want?", you are nearly sure to be overpriced. You need to know the price and shoot first "I give you this, OK?" (It is wise to keep a margin for negotiation.)
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About Pattaya
Hello,
I'd like to share another experience on Pattaya. On my previous post I have told you about Pattaya girls. I have told you I don't like Pattaya girls and it is very hard to find a real gem. Yesterday I had a good luck. I have chatted with a regular girl on Badoo. She before was reluctant to come to my room because she was shy. Later she has undertood I am a different guy who don't like to fuck every girl in Patta, therefore she came to my room. On Badoo she was beautiful more than many other girls but when I met her at the lobby of my hotel she was shiny, a very beautiful girl, a real gem. My heart was beating with thousand beats per minute. The first time I get with her a normal sex. The second time she burst out. She get two orgasm and me too. She is very hot and likes very much to fuck. Every time I gave her 2000 bath for about two hours but she deserves more for the delight she gives me. Now every day I like to meet her and she is very happy to meet me. These are the histories I like to tell.
This is all.
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[QUOTE=FoxesHunter; 1480322]Hello, I'd like to share another experience on Pattaya. On my previous post I have told you about Pattaya girls. I have told you I don't like Pattaya girls and it is very hard to find a real gem. Yesterday I had a good luck. I have chatted with a regular girl on Badoo. She before was reluctant to come to my room because she was shy. Later she has undertood I am a different guy who don't like to fuck every girl in Patta, therefore she came to my room. On Badoo she was beautiful more than many other girls but when I met her at the lobby of my hotel she was shiny, a very beautiful girl, a real gem. My heart was beating with thousand beats per minute. The first time I get with her a normal sex. The second time she burst out. She get two orgasm and me too. She is very hot and likes very much to fuck. Every time I gave her 2000 bath for about two hours but she deserves more for the delight she gives me. Now every day I like to meet her and she is very happy to meet me. These are the histories I like to tell.
This is all.[/QUOTE]Just to confirm, you have been chatting with a 'regular girl' on Badoo in order to try and give off the impression you are different to the hoards of sex seekers. Yet she then fucks you on the first meet and pay her 2k every time?
What is the matter with some of you people? You are dealing with prostitutes.
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[QUOTE=Wolf Hound;1480537]Just to confirm, you have been chatting with a 'regular girl' on Badoo in order to try and give off the impression you are different to the hoards of sex seekers. Yet she then fucks you on the first meet and pay her 2k every time?[/QUOTE]Just to confirm. If I understand fine what you are telling me. How much do you pay for a very beautiful sex worker or prostitute for 2-3 hours?
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First night
Just got to Pattaya, any fellow mongers kind enough to show me around tonight? PM me
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[QUOTE=Wolf Hound; 1480537]Just to confirm, you have been chatting with a 'regular girl' on Badoo in order to try and give off the impression you are different to the hoards of sex seekers. Yet she then fucks you on the first meet and pay her 2k every time?
What is the matter with some of you people? You are dealing with prostitutes.[/QUOTE]Welcome to ISG, where the motto seems to be,"I know you are not a hooker, but since we fucked here is some money for you." And it's funny how he gave the regular girl more than the real hooker would have required, THEN said she deserves more. Land of Smiles turns into Land of Schmucks when some of these guys get off the plane.
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Pattaya
Will be in Pattaya in a couple of days. The reason so many guys get played over there is because they fool themselves.
They don't seem to realize they are in a money based relationship.
At one time, I would try to advise them what was going on but they won't believe me. Now I just smile and say good for you knowing soon they will be back crying in their beer.
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He is not serious.
[QUOTE=FoxesHunter; 1480322]Hello, I'd like to share another experience on Pattaya. On my previous post I have told you about Pattaya girls. I have told you I don't like Pattaya girls and it is very hard to find a real gem. Yesterday I had a good luck. I have chatted with a regular girl on Badoo. She before was reluctant to come to my room because she was shy. Later she has undertood I am a different guy who don't like to fuck every girl in Patta, therefore she came to my room. On Badoo she was beautiful more than many other girls but when I met her at the lobby of my hotel she was shiny, a very beautiful girl, a real gem. My heart was beating with thousand beats per minute. The first time I get with her a normal sex. The second time she burst out. She get two orgasm and me too. She is very hot and likes very much to fuck. Every time I gave her 2000 bath for about two hours but she deserves more for the delight she gives me. Now every day I like to meet her and she is very happy to meet me. These are the histories I like to tell.
This is all.[/QUOTE]This guy is trolling us right? This has to be a joke just to mess with us.
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[QUOTE=FoxesHunter; 1480322]Hello, I'd like to share another experience on Pattaya. On my previous post I have told you about Pattaya girls. I have told you I don't like Pattaya girls and it is very hard to find a real gem. Yesterday I had a good luck. I have chatted with a regular girl on Badoo. She before was reluctant to come to my room because she was shy. Later she has undertood I am a different guy who don't like to fuck every girl in Patta, therefore she came to my room. On Badoo she was beautiful more than many other girls but when I met her at the lobby of my hotel she was shiny, a very beautiful girl, a real gem. My heart was beating with thousand beats per minute. The first time I get with her a normal sex. The second time she burst out. She get two orgasm and me too. She is very hot and likes very much to fuck. Every time I gave her 2000 bath for about two hours but she deserves more for the delight she gives me. Now every day I like to meet her and she is very happy to meet me. These are the histories I like to tell.
This is all.[/QUOTE]Sorry but your effort turning your "hook up with this prostitute story" into a love story failes big time. I can see the comedy in it though as I laughed. Laughed in a non disrespectful way I might add. You try fuck her and don't give her something then you can get back at us and tell us how things turned out. Best wishes.
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[QUOTE=FoxesHunter;1480731]Just to confirm. If I understand fine what you are telling me. How much do you pay for a very beautiful sex worker or prostitute for 2-3 hours?[/QUOTE]Between 1000 and 1500b.
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[QUOTE=BionicMan;1481386]Between 1000 and 1500b.[/QUOTE]I'm sorry but I don't believe you. Are you 25 years old and you look as Rodolofo Valentino or Casanova?
1500for her +500 barfine = 2000 bath.
I stayed in Pattaya for 12 days. If you don't want to pay the barfine you have to walk on the street. Some days ago I walked on Beach Road at 9:00 pm and I counted the prostitutes on this street. They were more than 150 sex workers and do you know how many girls were real gems? There were 2 gems only. I have asked them their prices and they asked me 2000 bath for 2-3 hours. Therefore either your calculations are wrong or you like many more girls than me.
I'd like to tell you also I chose two girls on Beach Road in different days and to my great surprise I knew they both were from Udon Thani town. Udon Thani is a town on the border with Laos. It was incredible: among 150 girls I chose 2 girls from Udon Thani town. It means I don't like thai girls, or better I like only few thai girls. My God it is a matter of tastes. Therefore when I tell you about real gems it mean real gems really. What more can I say? Then if you get a good relationship with them for some days. It is the maximum for me.
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[QUOTE=FoxesHunter;1480731]Just to confirm. If I understand fine what you are telling me. How much do you pay for a very beautiful sex worker or prostitute for 2-3 hours?[/QUOTE]Depends who, where, when. For Freelancers and beer bar girls, it usually doesn't exceed 1000. Long time (overnight) , usually doesn't exceeds 1500, eventually 2000 in case of a real gem barfined every night. For Gogo girls. 1500/2000 ST in Walking street (2000/3000 LT overnight usually) .1000/1500 ST in soi Bukhao area. Plus barfine, of course if she works in a bar.
This is of course the price during working hours (evening / night). If you ask a girl to come to your room during the afternoon, even beautiful gogo girls will be happy with 1000. Expats often do that
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Pickpockets!
Fellow mongers,
Just arrived in Pattaya, and was targeted by a gang of pickpockets on the baht bus.
I am guessing they were prowling about at the airport bus station, and quickly got on the baht bus with me after they saw me lugging my stuff. There were about 5 to 6 of them, including a tranny. The rest seem to be in their teens. Mostly girls along with a boy who seemed a bit older.
I had noticed something odd when the ladyboy decided to sit beside me, despite the space beside me being cramped AND the fact that the seat opposite me was empty. The fella was also carrying several large shopping bags, which he laid on top of his lap. The others filled the baht bus, flanking me on both sides.
I moved my hands to cover where I usually keep my wallet, and tried to act cool about it. Not sure if I did pull it off; there were a few Chinese tourists also on the bus, and they didn't notice anything going on.
Eventually, as we approached the intersection leading to walking street, the ladyboy asked one of his male companions something. Then the other guy asked me what time it was.
I told him the time without checking my watch. It helps that one of the Chinese tourists was wearing one. A few moments later, the group got off. I quickly checked my stuff to see if anything was amiss.
Sure enough, my hand-carry was already partially opened. The camera bag inside was also opened.
Nothing was missing, fortunately. But that was a close call. I don't even remember if they paid the baht bus driver when they got off. I reckon they would have made back their day's bus fare if they had stolen my stuff. Or the baht bus drivers know who they are, and turn a blind eye either for fear of reprisals / they get a cut.
This is the first time it's happened to me in Pattaya: [B]stay alert folks[/B].
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Hey folks, quick report fro Pattaya as I'm here now. More a cautionary take than anything.
First 2 days have been pretty good, excellent GFE x2.
Tonight, started in Sois 7-8 wandering around. Personally think that the beer bars do offer talent, just a matter of searching properly. Anyway, I decide on gogo hopping, start off in Baccara, have to agree, best girls I've seen here, and the mostl but very busy, most of the others I check are pretty quiet.
Head into Alcatraz where they are playing semi them. Good start. Mosey, around, extremely attractive girl is getting it on with ahoy next to me. Alas, by the time I get my shit together to get my target girl, she's been bar fined. Not to worry, the first girl has been let off the hook by the gut next to me, she circles, comes to me, we talk, she asks for slot of money. I pussy out and decide to Check out iBar / Insomnia. Plenty of talent, but I'm lazy, and it's busy. Decide, scre it, back to Alcatraz. BF 1k, LT 3k. We end up in a nearby beer bar because I want to establish a bit of rapport (getting her to agree to 3k was a bit of ordeal). Alas, she starts wiggins out a bit! I think she's drunk! I drag her back to Alcatraz as I'm not entirely happy, but also didn't want to tempt fate or pay for a lousy time. Lots of toing and fro it in Thai, between friends and Mamasan. I'm levelled with the accusation of me wanting to go with anothe girl. Sure. Anyway, she's too upset to go. Fine, initially wasn't going to ask for my BF back, but in the end ask for half. Not wanting to burn my bridges or paint a target on my back. Mamasan agrees, she apologises as do I. She invites me to come back tomorrow to talk to her, I think I will do so. I do want to screw her, but also I want to clear the air.
It is now quite late, the bars are closing. Fine, will try WS FLs. End up agreeing to one girl, ST 1k. Alas, in ST room, look closely. And I get suspicious that she may not all be woman. And she isn't. Bummer, I try to extricate myself from the situation, but she actually doesn't seem to care too much about the money. Either way, not wanting to have a gang of ladyboys attack me for skipping Out, I push the 1k into her hand and skedaddle. Now some may disagree, but I was trying to make sure I got out of there safely.
Either way, admitting that my judgment is severely impaired (I'd been cautious about anyway I even suspected of being a ladyboy out until then), I return home without a nightly companion. Maybe silly, but not the most unintelligent decision I've made.
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Oil massage in Pattaya?
Another quick question (I have googled and the like)
Any oil massage places similar to Tulips etc in Pattaya? I could barely walk after I went to Tulips last and wouldn't mind something similar hah?
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[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt; 1478538]Do you mean in Pattaya or the bar itself? If the latter, they do have a ST room on the premises. Maybe they will rent it out to you. LOL!
Looks wise, I should say that the Windmill girls hold up quite well. Not the quality of one of the better clubs in town but then again you are not getting the attitude either. Just XxX rated entertainment. Mainly 6"s and 7"s with a couple of 8"s thrown in. Didn't see any old girls. Mainly young totty between 18-25.
I would recommend every guy try to get to The Windmill at least once whilst in Pattaya. The place might not be to everyone's taste but the girls are not up themselves like in some places and it is certified 100 per cent fun.[/QUOTE]The same group runs Sugar baby on walking street, and they have a tendency to move the lookers from Windmill to sugar baby as they get hired. You CAN have the same experience in Sugar baby, but the girls are not as "experienced" or as extroverted. Mostly this means the girls don't lead as much, but certainly will follow to the same levels of depravity.
As for living on premises, yes you can, just negotiate properly!
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Of all the nights to go to WS, I had to pick this one when the rain returned with a vengeance halting the action. People were lined up on both sides of the street / side walk trying to stay dry. A couple of Thai bouncers showed their true Thai hospitality by telling people not to stand in from of their bar as if anyone else would be going in there during the downpour. When the poor civilians didn't move, this kind Thai 'gentleman' pulled out a stun gun and start zapping it in the direction of the masses giving them the option of being stunned or getting soaking wet. Of course they all ran in the rain to seek cover elsewhere, amazing Thailand.
The people selling umbrellas were out in full force. 100 and 200 baht for small and large sizes and the taxi drivers saw an opportunity to make big baht by charging ridiculous prices. Some bars were closed before 1AM. The alley way to Windmill club was flooded, I was looking on the ground for any loose or drop electrical wires but did not see any. As reported here before BF and lady fees are crazy in some of these bars. Was in Champion a GOGO and the girl who was at best a 7 but petite with a nice body wanted 2000 for ST and 3500 for LT, BF was 600B. No way would I pay that as I can get much better looking girls for less. As soon as I walked in the club she ran over to sit with me and soon after like clockwork the wait staff comes over to ask me to buy her a drink, five minutes later the wait staff wants to know if I will BF her. Had to run them off but this just reminded me of why I stopped going to these places. Champion now has a sexy show, same routine as the others bars with sexy shows. Girl inserting marker in her stuff and writing welcome to Champion on a piece of paper and inserting a toy flute in her stuff and blowing it, then asking if anyone wanted it. Good fun if you've never seen it before but a tiring act for me. Don't forget your umbrellas.
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[QUOTE=Run Mann;1483359]Of all the nights to go to WS, I had to pick this one when the rain returned with a vengeance halting the action. People were lined up on both sides of the street / side walk trying to stay dry. A couple of Thai bouncers showed their true Thai hospitality by telling people not to stand in from of their bar as if anyone else would be going in there during the downpour. When the poor civilians didn't move, this kind Thai 'gentleman' pulled out a stun gun and start zapping it in the direction of the masses giving them the option of being stunned or getting soaking wet. Of course they all ran in the rain to seek cover elsewhere, amazing Thailand.[/QUOTE]I would like to know the name of that bar, RM, so I can avoid it in the future. Those bouncers should be doing time in a Thai prison for that.
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[QUOTE=Daddy07;1483418]I would like to know the name of that bar, RM, so I can avoid it in the future. Those bouncers should be doing time in a Thai prison for that.[/QUOTE]But they do! Their day-time job is probably warden in the prison.
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[QUOTE=Daddy07;1483418]I would like to know the name of that bar, RM, so I can avoid it in the future. Those bouncers should be doing time in a Thai prison for that.[/QUOTE]It was the Moon Club, which is across the street from nearby Sensations a Go-Go and Air Port Club.
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[QUOTE=Run Mann;1483504]It was the Moon Club, which is across the street from nearby Sensations a Go-Go and Air Port Club.[/QUOTE]Thanks, I know the place. I'ts on the corner of Walking Street and Soi Diamond. I've never been inside the joint as it seems to be just another one of those rip off establishments offering high drink prices and little else. They do have a few cuties outside though holding signs. Moon club won't be getting any of my business.
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[QUOTE=FoxesHunter; 1481420]I'm sorry but I don't believe you. Are you 25 years old and you look as Rodolofo Valentino or Casanova?
1500for her +500 barfine = 2000 bath.
I stayed in Pattaya for 12 days. If you don't want to pay the barfine you have to walk on the street. Some days ago I walked on Beach Road at 9:00 pm and I counted the prostitutes on this street. They were more than 150 sex workers and do you know how many girls were real gems? There were 2 gems only. I have asked them their prices and they asked me 2000 bath for 2-3 hours. Therefore either your calculations are wrong or you like many more girls than me.
I'd like to tell you also I chose two girls on Beach Road in different days and to my great surprise I knew they both were from Udon Thani town. Udon Thani is a town on the border with Laos. It was incredible: among 150 girls I chose 2 girls from Udon Thani town. It means I don't like thai girls, or better I like only few thai girls. My God it is a matter of tastes. Therefore when I tell you about real gems it mean real gems really. What more can I say? Then if you get a good relationship with them for some days. It is the maximum for me.[/QUOTE]I like your analysis. The term GEM is used to much! Price and quality of girl just doesn't compute. 1000 for a GEM? These GEMs must have the IQ of a rock if they only accept 1k if they are surrounded by hideous creatures who also go for 1k.
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In other words this is a pissing contest of my real gem is better than your real gem, when all of the while everyone refuses to show their real gem. The next game should be my bank account versus your bank account.
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Wrong. As usual by all accounts
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1483622]In other words this is a pissing contest of my real gem is better than your real gem, when all of the while everyone refuses to show their real gem. The next game should be my bank account versus your bank account.[/QUOTE]My pr*ck versus your pr*ck.
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[QUOTE=IndianManGood;1483566]I like your analysis. The term GEM is used to much! Price and quality of girl just doesn't compute. 1000 for a GEM? These GEMs must have the IQ of a rock if they only accept 1k if they are surrounded by hideous creatures who also go for 1k.[/QUOTE]Those gems must be reading ISG and having taken pity on us poor overpaying mongers decided to gain much good karma by teaching us a lesson and asking only the standard price of 1000 baht.
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[QUOTE=Scorchin;1483651]My pr*ck versus your pr*ck.[/QUOTE]Totally agree, there is little value in comparing perceived quality vs cost. Its highly emotional, and we have all seen someone overpaying a "ugly" women, which is the same situation really. This is a meat market, but still a Market. Its about price discovery, and brinkmanship. If a lady clearly has no clients for a day, and she gets a "low ball" offer she may accept. If she thinks you will walk away, and she thinks you have better options, and she doesn't put a emotional value on her "clearing price". You might happen across her at a unusual time of need [rent, family emergencies, etc]. She may value experiences as well as money, ie; Unique locations, adventures, good personality, positive feedback, etc.
For people who stay longer then your average vacation, and build relationships / contacts; its not unheard of to get a gogo-girl, at the top of whatever relative hotness scale you care to employ, to come over for a fraction of the gogo price. I know of quite a few expats who get phone calls when bars close, or business looks low, or if the lady just happens to have a free afternoon, or she just happens to need cash NOW and knows your dependable. Basically your trading off scheduling flexibility vs a discount; The less flexible you are, the smaller the discount. That said, there are many ladies who won't partake in this "off-the-clock" market, for a variety of reasons. Typically a expat "low-ball" offer is higher then they can expect from the Thai market.
Now, walking into a venue on your first day, it may be hard / impossible to get such a discount, but the following may help craft the right image: 1) Sound like an expat. Know Thai phrases, claim you live in some Thai city for a long time. 2) Approach near close of business, or when there haven't been many customers visible [for short-time, etc]. Basically you want to keep her opportunity costs low. 3) State your desired price with confidence, don't haggle; 4) If your not willing to walk away, your not free to negotiate.
Obviously the best time for this is. Low season, during a torrential rain, after the roads have been flooded for a week, right near the end / beginning of the month.
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[QUOTE=Null Avenger;1483709].For people who stay longer then your average vacation, and build relationships / contacts; its not unheard of to get a gogo-girl, at the top of whatever relative hotness scale you care to employ, to come over for a fraction of the gogo price. .[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1483622]In other words this is a pissing contest of my real gem is better than your real gem, when all of the while everyone refuses to show their real gem. .[/QUOTE]In a effort to paint a realistic picture, or at least provide actual data points; I've posted 3 of my GEMs in the Thailand photo gallery:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2183-Photo-Gallery&p=1483754&viewfull=1#post1483754[/url]
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[QUOTE=Null Avenger;1483709]. That said, there are many ladies who won't partake in this "off-the-clock" market, for a variety of reasons. .[/QUOTE]Slight loss of focus, but worth mentioning: Of the gogo girls I've seen [Maybe 150], the one's I've tried to see "off the clock" [Maybe 30], I've had roughly a 80% [ 24] success rate. By off the clock I just mean outside of a bar-fine context, not necessarily changing their rates.
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[QUOTE=Skogis;1481369]Sorry but your effort turning your "hook up with this prostitute story" into a love story failes big time. I can see the comedy in it though as I laughed. Laughed in a non disrespectful way I might add. You try fuck her and don't give her something then you can get back at us and tell us how things turned out. Best wishes.[/QUOTE]Nothing in the quoted story indicates he was looking for love, neither that he didn't wanted to give. Seems like you're barking up the wrong tree.
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Back home
from holidays in Thailand. During the first few days in Pattaya, after my bad enconter with a girl from Iron, I picked up a girl from a beer bar (go go dancer) and went on tour with her, to Krabi, Phi Phi, Phuket.
When I look at all the photos of the so called "Gems" here, I should say, she was almost a GEM. I would consider her good average, though. Damage was 2000BHT / day.
Back then for my last few days in Pattaya, before flying back home, I was in Iron again, and the "Bad Experience" picked me up. What a surprise. This time it was terrific. Damage 3000+1500 BF. Worth the money, as, at least according to my taste and standards, a REAL GEM.
Will be back in a few months.
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Back from the Tensed Days
I thought I should share my experience how I lived in a window period after a Condom broke incident with a BG. Well, It happened on 30th August at Pattaya, many of our fellow mongers already read the story and saw the crazy lady's photo there. Now let me come to the point.
Once I back to Singapore, I got fever (may be because of the fear)
The next day I saw couple of pimple like bumps on my cock, which is ready to break with white tip.
Soar Throat.
Cough.
Some allergy on face.
I was down completely, generally I have a tight physique but all my muscles became soft. Most of the times I was inside the internet reading the symptoms of HIV. And whatever I was seeing and whatever happening to me are all HIV symptoms.
So guys, I know most of you knows about how HIV & Syphilis spreads but I am damn sure many are here who doesn't know much theoretical background.
Caution:
If you are working on an Employment Pass in any country, prefer anonymous testing. Or else your pass will be cancelled and send back to home country. (At least for Singapore there is a clause in the offer letter).
Syphilis can be tested immediately after exposure (Test name is VDRL) ; Indian Councillor told me now there is medicine for syphilis.
Window period for HIV is now 4 weeks to 13 weeks.
If you are an Indian citizen you can do HIV test free of cost and result will be given in couple of hours (No anonymous testing, but just give wrong details). In Singapore, normal clinics will inform Ministry of Manpower if they found us HIV +ve. DSC (Department of STI Control) clinic Singapore offers anonymous HIV testing and you need to pay 30 $ and result will be given in 15-20 mins.
I know everyone here wants enjoy and nobody wants to get any STIs, I had been using Durex ExtraSafe for quite sometime but the broken condom was Durex Love. Can somebody share which condom is best, it is good for all of us here.
BTW, I was totally panic and skipped couple of my planned trips and did HIV test 3 times (9th day. 20th Day & 35th Day) and found I am non- reactive. Thanks God. But to others my advise is, if you have fear about HIV, you will down like anything. So TRYto be confident and always be positive.
Thanks / G
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[QUOTE=Gajith; 1484583]I thought I should share my experience how I lived in a window period after a Condom broke incident with a BG. Well, It happened on 30th August at Pattaya, many of our fellow mongers already read the story and saw the crazy lady's photo there. Now let me come to the point.
Once I back to Singapore, I got fever (may be because of the fear)
The next day I saw couple of pimple like bumps on my cock, which is ready to break with white tip.
Soar Throat.
Cough.
Some allergy on face.
I was down completely, generally I have a tight physique but all my muscles became soft. Most of the times I was inside the internet reading the symptoms of HIV. And whatever I was seeing and whatever happening to me are all HIV symptoms.
So guys, I know most of you knows about how HIV & Syphilis spreads but I am damn sure many are here who doesn't know much theoretical background...[/QUOTE]Why do hiv test on 9th, 20th and 35th day when incubation period can be as you say 13 weeks?
So you caught syphillis from a hooker? You must have caught something.
I wonder how many times a day what happened to you happens all over Thailand. Condom breakage and slip off rate is quite high. Something like 4% total. Imagine what the girls have to deal with.
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Safe sex
[QUOTE=Gajith; 1484583]I thought I should share my experience.
[/QUOTE]I am relieved you're ok, but I think this report would be more appropriate in the safe sex thread. You provided some useful information. Thanks!
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Be clear on price
I did the usual routine today, starting from Walking Street pub about 1:30am, then Lucifer, then Marine Disco.
In each place you could count the good lookers on a single hand sparing most fingers. Let's say Lucifer was the best, the resident band is always good and there were few hotties, however they did seemed of the stuck up type, so I passed. Finally at Marine, after a quick fight that saw some guys punched and ejected, I saw a fresh face together with a sexy petite body. Since the beginning I could tell this pretty girl had nice soft manners, but didn't really promised the best. I offered 1000, she wanted 2000 to which I shook my head and promised she would habe been treated well, it took a while to convince her. To make a long story, she was sexy, talkative, but not very good in bed, the typical passive type. As we were done the 1st round she goes for her dress, I asked if she wanted to go already. She nodded so I handed her 1000 + 100 taxi. She was still expecting 2000! In a firm tone I reminded her that I never said Ok to that, and that in Pattaya that is more the going rate for short time. She was not happy but took the door and left.
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[QUOTE=Marcos;1485108]I offered 1000, she wanted 2000. To make a long story, she was sexy, talkative, but not very good in bed, the typical passive type. As we were done the 1st round she goes for her dress, I asked if she wanted to go already. She nodded so I handed her 1000 + 100 taxi. She was still expecting 2000! In a firm tone I reminded her that I never said Ok to that, and that in Pattaya that is more the going rate for short time. She was not happy but took the door and left.[/QUOTE]Yeah it is a good policy to never go with any girl who throws out a ridiculously high price as her first offer. It shows they're bad news, problem prone, and best avoided.
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[QUOTE=Opebo;1485398]Yeah it is a good policy to never go with any girl who throws out a ridiculously high price as her first offer. It shows they're bad news, problem prone, and best avoided.[/QUOTE]From the description of the girl she deserved 2,000. LOL. Nevermind, fresh face could mean ugly. LOL. Guys go goo goo over fresh sweet faces.
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Champagne Closed
I was in the Soi LK metro area last night for dinner and decided afterwards to visit Champagne a-go-go for a drink or two. As I drove my bike along the soi I didn't see the customary sign and then noticed that it was because the whole place was gutted as though it had been hit with a bomb. Don't know if it's just for renovations or perhaps it's closed for good. It's too bad because that was one of the better bars in the Soi Buakhao district.
I ended up at Oasis and was disappointed at the poor lineup of average to below average looking girls. Buakhao just doesn't measure up to the quality you can find on Walking Street so that's were I went and wasn't disappointed. The line up at Happy has vastly improved over last year and the girls at Baccara are always the best looking on average.
Now if only all the joints would start enforcing the Thai laws against the smokers who swarm like locusts in enclosed bars, I'd be perfectly happy.
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[QUOTE=Daddy07; 1485524]I was in the Soi LK metro area last night for dinner and decided afterwards to visit Champagne a-go-go for a drink or two. As I drove my bike along the soi I didn't see the customary sign and then noticed that it was because the whole place was gutted as though it had been hit with a bomb. Don't know if it's just for renovations or perhaps it's closed for good. It's too bad because that was one of the better bars in the Soi Buakhao district.[/QUOTE]Renovation, they opened "Fun House" agogo on the other end of LK Metro. The girls are at the Fun House now. Across from Sugar Sugar where Blue [Blu? ] used to be. I thought they put a sign up at Champagne, surprised it wasn't there.
Smokers in bars: I thought the whole point of the local business regulations was to give better tea money negotiation leverage. I don't think I've ever seen a gogo enforce no-smoking in Thailand - I just can't see it happening. Although, Perhaps we could convince a entrepreneur to install a 100B smoking fee / ashtray free.
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[QUOTE=Null Avenger; 1485558]Renovation, they opened "Fun House" agogo on the other end of LK Metro. The girls are at the Fun House now. Across from Sugar Sugar where Blue [Blu? ] used to be. I thought they put a sign up at Champagne, surprised it wasn't there.
Smokers in bars: I thought the whole point of the local business regulations was to give better tea money negotiation leverage. I don't think I've ever seen a gogo enforce no-smoking in Thailand. I just can't see it happening. Although, Perhaps we could convince a entrepreneur to install a 100B smoking fee / ashtray free.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info; much appreciated.
Two years ago both SuperBaby and SuperGirl on Soi Diamond strictly enforced a no smoking policy; there were no ashtrays and guys who came in with a cigarette burning were escorted off the premises. It was great then because there were lots of young cuties and the air didn't stink with smoke. Sadly, they changed the policy to allow smoking to attract more Asian customers and it has seemed to work as in my estimation 90% of them smoke like forest fires.
I'm sure the Japanese and Chinese smokers would happily pay a 100 baht fee for an ashtray. The only way to enforce the law IMHO is for the cops to fine the bar owners 10, 000 for each violation. That would get their attention and they would no longer furnish ashtrays to the addicts. In the meantime, I'd settle for no smoking areas but the powers to be just don't seem to care about non-smokers.
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[QUOTE=Daddy07; 1485571]Thanks for the info; much appreciated.
Two years ago both SuperBaby and SuperGirl on Soi Diamond strictly enforced a no smoking policy; there were no ashtrays and guys who came in with a cigarette burning were escorted off the premises. It was great then because there were lots of young cuties and the air didn't stink with smoke. Sadly, they changed the policy to allow smoking to attract more Asian customers and it has seemed to work as in my estimation 90% of them smoke like forest fires.
I'm sure the Japanese and Chinese smokers would happily pay a 100 baht fee for an ashtray. The only way to enforce the law IMHO is for the cops to fine the bar owners 10, 000 for each violation. That would get their attention and they would no longer furnish ashtrays to the addicts. In the meantime, I'd settle for no smoking areas but the powers to be just don't seem to care about non-smokers.[/QUOTE]There was this new technology wherein cigarette is electronic, flavored with different taste. It has a real smoke coming from your mouth upon sipping it, less pollution I think. Is it also prohibited?
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[QUOTE=IndianManGood;1485402]From the description of the girl she deserved 2,000. LOL. Nevermind, fresh face could mean ugly. LOL. Guys go goo goo over fresh sweet faces.[/QUOTE]Ok. If you think 2000 is appropriate, that's fine. But I find that when any freelancer quotes over 1000 for short time, its a virtual guarantee of a bad experience, bad attitude, poor service, etc.
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[QUOTE=Opebo;1485698]Ok. If you think 2000 is appropriate, that's fine. But I find that when any freelancer quotes over 1000 for short time, its a virtual guarantee of a bad experience, bad attitude, poor service, etc.[/QUOTE]My bad. I thought he got girl at an agogo. I see it was a disco.
Agogo girls are bad values. 9 out of 10 times. Even though they have better faces and bodies, their attitudes just prevent having a good time.
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Does anyone know this guy?
[url]http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshh3NXP1ly80raF0AAW[/url]
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Tim "Sharky" Ward
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1485866]Does anyone know this guy?
[url]http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshh3NXP1ly80raF0AAW[/url][/QUOTE]I know of him and I've walked past him on BR a few times. I never had a reason to talk to him. If anyone has questions you seriously want me to ask him (eg you want to hire him to protect your Thai lady) , let me know. If I run in to him when I'm there in Nov I can ask him on your behalf.
1) Talking to BM Eamonn (a friend of Sharky's and an acquaintance of mine) :
- Sharky's a nice guy, easy to talk to.
- He loves to work out (that's how him and Eamonn started chatting, it was at their Pattaya gym).
2) A discussion thread on another forum, BMs said that:
- Sharky's a nice guy, easy to talk to.
- Supposedly he was a loan shark back in Australia.
- He claims working girls give him protection money but the number of claimed clients (100? Or whatever) and his protection price seems too high.
Example: if he's getting B 500 (US $17) per week x 100 clients = B 50, 000 / week ($1, 700 / week). Hard to believe he's getting B 20, 000+ per month ($6, 800+/mo). Even 1/4th that would be hard to imagine.
- Hard to believe that WGs would pay a Sharky / any foreigner protection money when they could get Thai guys / boyfriends to perform the same function, probably for less money. Or, on an as needed basis (eg instead of weekly protection payments just a one time fee for some Thai guys to teach the abusive / bad customer a lesson).
- Supposedly when a farang abused one of Sharky's clients, he did end up stabbing the farang in the arm. Supposedly the stabbing victim was an English teacher which would indicate that farang was an expat. (If it's true the English teacher abused a Thai lady, he got what he deserved by being stabbed / roughed up).
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Pattaya trip
My trip (week long) to Pattaya.
Day 1.
Thought I'd give a Soapy a go. Tried one of the Sabais (the one on 2nd road on the Northbound side). Damage 2500 baht. SOP, not a great deal of enthusiasm, but you expect a great deal in these places as rapport building isn't exactly easy to do.
Thought about retiring afterwards (having spent the better part of the day travelling from Jakarta) , but figured hey, let's explore. Ended up in the first set of beer bars in Walking Street. Pulled a girl, minimal English. Very young. 20? BF 300, LT 1500. Very wet in the morning (oh my, my sheets were stained!)
Day 2.
Went through iBar, Insomnia, on to Lucifers. Ended up chatting to a girl who apparently has been in Pattaya 8 years now and is the age of 31 (no exit plan it would seem). Anyway, got on fantastically well, back to Insomnia at something like 3. At about 4.30 I ask to go back as I'm stuffed. Very good GFE. Exchange numbers, toss up whether to repeat later on.
Day 3.
Received phone calls x 2 from girl from above. Didn't reply, as per my previous post, disaster that occured with girl from Alcatraz and alcohol-induced near miss with a ladyboy.
Day 4.
Make my amends at Alcatraz. Now a bit of a whinge, entered pretty early, about 8.30, bought her and friend a LD. Usual "I need to go dance now", ok fine. At one point appears to be off stage talking to some other dude who appears to have bought her a drink. Dancing finished, she goes and finishes drink with him first. :\ Finally comes back to me."I need to do my hair now." Disappears for another 10 mins, comes down the stairs, Mamasan calls her into office to 'discuss' events of last night. Another 15-20 mins. As hot as she is. I know my luck is not going to be with me even if I take her out so cut my losses, kiss her on the cheek and bail.
End up in Sugarbaby, talk to another girl, seems to get involved with the stage shows etc. Take her out after 2. BF 700, LT 3000 (agree to stay to 10). Take her to eat. Everything fine, get to hotel room,"can I go at 6". Errr no honey, you agreed to 10."I want to go now". No explanation given. Spend 45 mins, including use of google translate to get point across. 3 options are presented, you stay to 10 for 3k, you go at 6 for 2k OR you go now, and I get my BF back in the morning. She reluctanty agrees to ST. I tell her "you probably thing I'm some sort of horrible person" to which she says "a little.".
At the end of the day, I don't want to cause too much trouble hence why I offered her the option of ST. You want 3k to leave at 6? Err. You agreed on something different and I could get you into a lot of trouble. Tell her off. 'don't agree to something you don't want to do. ' Clearly doesn't register with some of these girls (and this seems to transgress international borders, the 'changing of mind' once in the room).
Day 5.
Give Devil's Den ago, girls are ok looking enough. Initial pick is a girl from the L of the yellow line (no anal) , but she chooses a girl from the R. 3 pops including anal with the second girl. Struggle to walk out. Happy chappy. 3600 for 90 minutes. Anyone else think the swing is positioned a little to high unless you're standing on the bed?
At night, decide that I'm looking for someone to keep for the remaining days. End up pulling a nice girl from Soi 7. She likes me, I like her. And interestingly when the question of "how long do you want to stay" comes about, she asks for LT. BF 300, LT 1500.
Likes DATY, but keeps stopping me as she's 'shy'. Session number 2 in the morning doesn't happen as she says she has to go and transfer money. My own fault partially as I slept too much. She asks me to go see her tonight. I say I will think about it.
Day 6.
During the day, end up at Teen Dream Massage. 2 hour oil masage for 750. Ask for the extras, agree to 2k for 2 pops. Ok body, unshaven, face average. Scars on L arm (self-harm). Hmmm, anyway, she cums 3 times. So that makes it worthwhile. Haha.
That evening, return to soi 7 for girl from last night. Take her out, she seems happy to see me. Check out Mix club. And get caught in the rain. Bleh.
Day 7.
She wants to eat the Japanese buffet so we end up parting but meeting there at 1pm. She goes to work at 3. I go to LK Metro to suss a ST proposition prior to meeting her at night. After a while, figure it might be an expensive proposition and if I want to get my rocks off. Should just hit soi 6.
End up in Red Spot bar? 22 year old girl, name "Pussycat", offers 3 holes for 1k, more than the average, but happy to oblige. Takes it like a trooper. She wants me to go party with her tonight. I unfortunately have to decline (turns out BF here is 500 baht) , she does say to me "no-one's going to kill you." True as that may be, I am a man of my word. Visit my dearest at soi 7, take her out until I leave the next day.
Sad to leave, my repeat was not the tallest, or prettiest, or had the best body. But was very sweet to me (picked up a nasty cough in my travels. She went off to the pharmacy down the road and bought Strepsils for me).
Overall impressions of Pattaya.
Lots of poon to be had, depending how much, or little you want to spend. Plenty of stunners in the Gogos, but lots of very very quiet bars (well, it is low season).
Agree that Baccara has the best girls, but it's a zoo. Sensations also is teeming with girls. Re. LK Metro, not as attractive, but few places open early (around 2-3pm). Interestingly, one of the girls told me there's a 2-8pm shift, wonder what they do after if they don't get BF?
Would I return? Probably, do like the resort-esque nature (as opposed to Angeles) , English proficiency can be patchy. And I know it's been asked / discussed before, but why so many Russians? I didn't see this many in Phuket.
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Good report Zeppelin. If everybody was to not let girls change deals, it wouldn't happen so much.
Where is the Japanese buffet? I knew of one near Soi 6, but has closed doors years ago already.
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[QUOTE=Marcos; 1486395]Good report Zeppelin. If everybody was to not let girls change deals, it wouldn't happen so much.
Where is the Japanese buffet? I knew of one near Soi 6, but has closed doors years ago already.[/QUOTE]In the Central mall. Level 6, there's actually a few there. 339 baht for 1 hour 15 minutes of eating glory. Haha.
There's a simliar place in MBK in Bangkok.
BTW. I keep hearing stories of girls who for periods of time or previously were 'not working' because some dude from the West was supporting them from afar. I asked what they did all day "nothing, I got very bored."
No shit, I'd get pretty bored even I just got given money to stay home all the time (it's not like they're millionaires). Just goes to show, despite all that's been written, fiction and non-fiction, the paying for a bargirl to not work whilst the guy goes on living his life and does his twice a year visit for a few weeks at a time is alive and well, even in this day and age.
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[QUOTE=Zeppelin029; 1486487]BTW. I keep hearing stories of girls who for periods of time or previously were 'not working' because some dude from the West was supporting them from afar. I asked what they did all day "nothing, I got very bored."
No shit, I'd get pretty bored even I just got given money to stay home all the time (it's not like they're millionaires). Just goes to show, despite all that's been written, fiction and non-fiction, the paying for a bargirl to not work whilst the guy goes on living his life and does his twice a year visit for a few weeks at a time is alive and well, even in this day and age.[/QUOTE]I think the best chances of a successful "sponsorship" are to get your girl to move away from temptation, to her home back in the country; Or at least send her to finish school / start college. If you don't get her away from other bar girls showing off their latest conquest."Idle hands are the devil's playthings", probably extends to other body parts.
Either way have a third party send you reports on her.
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[QUOTE=IndianManGood; 1486449]Thanks for teaching the girl a lesson.
My question is once girl makes it obvious she isn't into you why would you want her to stay.[/QUOTE]Girls like that are not into anything or anyone. They just live by the hour, trying to make it off with the most they can. That's why they work at the go-go, otherwise they would have to dedicate themselves daily to a sponsor, thing that doesn't suit them at all.
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[QUOTE=Marcos;1486658]Girls like that are not into anything or anyone. They just live by the hour, trying to make it off with the most they can. That's why they work at the go-go, otherwise they would have to dedicate themselves daily to a sponsor, thing that doesn't suit them at all.[/QUOTE]I've always wondered what percentage of long times work out when you've never done the girl before. There must be a reason so many desireable girls want none of it!
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I know what you're saying, few reasons.
It's 5am and I still want to get my rocks off.
Don't particularly want to go down the path of complaining. I believe that most girls would prefer not to work in a gogo, and are doing it for whatever reason. Can appreciate a lack of enthusiasm, so I do sympathise and don't want to make things hard unless I really have to.
She will learn, told her not to agree if she didn't want to.
Am sure we've all had dud experiences, sometimes you get lucky, sometimes with alcohol, sleep deprivation and having visited your 5th or 6 th gogo your judgement gets hazy.
[QUOTE=IndianManGood; 1486449]Thanks for teaching the girl a lesson.
My question is once girl makes it obvious she isn't into you why would you want her to stay.[/QUOTE]
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On a recent visit the Beach Road is looking pretty unrewarding: less girls than usual, and not many decent ones left. Is it just me are have they almost all gotten fat?
Perhaps the low numbers are due to the rains or they've not yet come back from low-season visits home. Or maybe the lack of benches on Beach Road promenade: I noticed the old low-budget retired farang who used to sit there are gone as well. If you can't afford a 5-star rip-off hotel and incessant drinking, it seems you're not welcome.
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[QUOTE=Opebo; 1486867]On a recent visit the Beach Road is looking pretty unrewarding: less girls than usual, and not many decent ones left. Is it just me are have they almost all gotten fat?
Perhaps the low numbers are due to the rains or they've not yet come back from low-season visits home. Or maybe the lack of benches on Beach Road promenade: I noticed the old low-budget retired farang who used to sit there are gone as well. If you can't afford a 5-star rip-off hotel and incessant drinking, it seems you're not welcome.[/QUOTE]Numbers of prostitutes in NANA is down big according to Stickman. I can't argue if you go by how many show up at R4 on any given night. Raids was the culprit. Although number were down prior to the raids too. Just don't make sense.
I just don't buy the Thai econ is booming line. What skills would a prostitute have to offer a business that ends up paying her what she made taking insertions.
Let's see if the girls return 4 high season.
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[QUOTE=IndianManGood;1486712]I've always wondered what percentage of long times work out when you've never done the girl before. There must be a reason so many desireable girls want none of it![/QUOTE]I don't see the point in anyone doing "long time". If you take a girl short-time and she likes you, she will stay long time without any extra-fees or discussion. If she doesn't like you or is indifferent, she will leave as soon as she can regardless of "long time".
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That makes sense
[QUOTE=Null Avenger;1486911]I don't see the point in anyone doing "long time". If you take a girl short-time and she likes you, she will stay long time without any extra-fees or discussion. If she doesn't like you or is indifferent, she will leave as soon as she can regardless of "long time".[/QUOTE]That makes very good sense. Plus if you are in the middle of a short time and feeling the love there is nothing to stop you trying to renegotiate a long time by agreement.
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AmexSpg Trip 3 Report (8 Aug. 11 Sep)
all my trs can be downloaded from.
[url]http://sdrv.ms/1elkzsp[/url]
if you need me to e-mail the files to you (word. docx files and pdf files, with photos embedded) , pm me your e-mail address.
- warning: skip this tr (trip report) if you're going to complain (too long, fuglies, underpaid / overpaid.) or just look at the pics. if you have useful advice, that i'the like to hear.
- disclaimer: i apologize in advance for the mistakes, typos, and not really finishing this tr. got distracted with some business opportunities (in farangland & los) and besides, i'm moving on to next week's trip 4 / report.
table of contents:
1) background.
2) business musings.
3) diary.
1) background.
- audience: i write trs for myself, buddies who may or may not monger, and people interested in my trs. this one is geared towards the patts / los newbs (but not the noobs) trying to save money. take everything with a grain of salt. all numbers indicated (money, time.) are approximates.
- about myself: american, neutral asian features (people confuse me for jap / korean / thai / etc) , late 30s, height 5' 6. 5' (169 cm) , average looks / personality, cheap. bm (board member) deuces nicknamed me 7c for cheap charlie chan can't cum can chuckwow.
- friends wanted: young lbfm who's < 100 lbs (45 kg) , < 5' (152 cm) , straight / long black hair, natural breasts proportionally large compared to her torso, little / no make-up. 3-holer / atm, bbbjcim, gfe. bonus if she swallows. doesn't have to be asian. finding free internet porn featuring these women is difficult, and trying to hire them in patts for a sensible price is even trickier.
- compromise: easy to find friends with 1 or 2 out of 3 ideal traits: good looks (face / body) , good service (sex / gfe) , low price (st b 500+/lt b 1, 000+). rare to find a friend with all 3.
- helped me out: all my good advice originated from buddies i've hung out with or simply read their posts. bms littlebigman, mr. enternational, sushilover, daddy07, etc and bms dr copenhagen, laamok, theroadwarrior, frbt, milos, xylanic. 999baht, qwerty12345, kangarooted, alleycat, dmon, so forth. the bad advice and mistakes in my trs, i came up with myself.
- camera: 1) something for low-light (eg ibar / discos) & pocketable so you'll always have it & won't have to rely on cellphone camera quality. 2) back in 2006 i got a $260 waterproof pentax optio wpi which was handy at the beach but took mediocre friend photos. 3) now my camera kit is a nov 2011 $250 nikon p7000 + $6 camera remote + $18 spare battery + $33 dslr gorillapod + $30 eye-fi sd card to add wi-fi ability, though the eye-fi wouldn't work in my patts hotel (due to their wi-fi security / firewalls?). i went with nikon since they're known for durability (standard camera brand for us army photography) , the p7000 was on sale & i could eventually up my photog skills on that model. i still lack skills so if my friend photos aren't worthy it's not because of the camera. if i had to buy a new camera i'the get a < $300 canon p1x0 or nikon p3x0, built-in wi-fi would be a bonus but no available camera remote is a bummer.
- monger map.
[url]www.pattayabarguide.com[/url]
- slang / acronyms look-up.
[url]www.urbandictionary.com[/url]
[url]www.acronymfinder.com[/url]
acronyms.
- atm = ass to mouth; after condom anal sex the lube / [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord113][CodeWord113][/url] particulates are on the condom that i throw out but the ladies who take bb backdoor sex then atm, it's almost gross enough for me to not do it to them.
(not sure what's a more unhealthy risk for the lady: atm or ass-to-pussy)
- bb, bbbj / cim = bareback (vaginal) intercourse, bareback blowjob / cum in mouth.
- bm = board member (ie i'm 'amexspg') ; i post to 2 different message boards which i can't name.
- cc vs ldop = cheap charlie vs lame dupe overpayer.
- cfs, cbj = covered full service sex (vaginal intercourse) , covered blowjob; using a condom.
- gfe, bfe = girlfriend experience, boyfriend experience; more than just sex but also being caring.
- hh = happy hour for good drink specials.
- lb = ladyboy.
- ld = lady drink.
- bb, bg = beerbar / barbeer, bargirl.
- bf = barfine, commission you pay to the business / mamasan to release the girl from her work-shift.
- br = beach road, br lady.
- gg = agogo, gg lady.
- fl = freelancer, ladies who work for themselves (so no bf) ; also bgs / ggs who are off-duty.
- st = short time eg 1 shot / pop / finish / cum, maybe an hour or so.
- lt = long time. 1 shot + sleep + 1 shot (llt = long long time, taking the lady for 2+ consecutive days)
- semi-pro or amateur fl = ladies who only do it occasionally.
- pbg, ws = pattaya beer garden, walking street; pgb bb complex is just before ws.
- pos = piece of sh*t, customer who mistreats a lady (such as cheats a lady out of her st / lt payment)
obscurer terms.
- abstract painting = cum on them (instead of in them)
- disco mask vs naked face = make-up vs no make-up.
- naked / nude = in ggs i consider them naked / nude if they're showing their breasts as sometimes they wear panties / bikini bottoms, skirts with no underwear (baccara upstairs) , see-thru skirts (superbaby) , etc.
- young lady, middle-aged, older, old = to me it's age 18 – 22, age 23 – 29, age 30 – 35, age 36+
thai phrases
- boom-boom toot = anal sex.
- chuckwow = masturbate (part of the nickname bm deuces gave me: 7c – cheap charlie chan can't cum can chuckwow since i only finish via chuckwowing) and my facebook profile 'chan cuckwow'
- farang = foreigner / white man.
- key-niuew = has the money but won't spend it / a chinese jew depending on how you perceive frugal folks.
- mai ao krap = i don't want (useful to deter lbs, touts, suit and souvenir sellers)
- mao, mao mao = tipsy, drunk.
- nongsao = little sister; women (i have or haven't been with) i won't be screwing again.
- teerak = girlfriend; i call them this if i don't remember their name.
- songtaew = baht bus, the blue converted pick-up trucks shuttles that are b 10 to ride.
- wai = thai gesture greeting; never do it to children, as a rule don't initiate a wai, and selectively reciprocate a wai (i'll reciprocate to managers / mamasans / friends of my buddies / show of respect / apology)
terms the locals use = monger / farang term.
- contract / company = agency ladies, from an agency on contract to a specific gg 10 nights in a row; have higher wages (b 1, 000 / night) than the ggs in-house ladies but have stricter work requirements (eg must sell 35+ lds in those 10 nights) ; usually they're coyotes (in-house ladies work exclusively for that gg)
- freestyle / free = freelancing.
- shot = pop / cum.
- service = waiter / waitress.
- welcome girls = door greeters holding the gg signs.
- soda = club soda / seltzer (also in los it's 'coke light, ' as they don't know what a diet coke is)
- bin = your bill (usually in a wooden or plastic bin) , and 'check bin' is to close your tab.
hierarchy at the ggs: owner manager mamasan / service captain
- mamasan ladies (showgirls / dancers / coyotes)
- service captain service.
i once made the mistake of calling toto, the manager of happy gg, the papasan.
gg biz group: if you like one, you'll probably like their sister properties.
- happy group: baccara, happy, peppermint, beach.
- tiger, shark, lighthouse, fahrenheit.
- babydolls, private dancer.
- windmill, sugarbaby.
- superbaby, supergirls.
- iron, bachelor (i think this one's just a coyote joint though) , queen.
- i read that what's up is affiliated with another gg (perhaps sensations?)
bb biz group on soi 6: night wish, pussy club, horny club (but this one's a lb joint)
free to enter: in to any establishment (sometimes they'll discriminate who's allowed in for free; one time for champagne gg i had to show my passport & to enter insomnia the security occasionally asks where i'm from) so i'the suggest just entering practically every establishment & decide for yourself if you like it. 2007-2010 i disliked tiger / shark ggs but now-a-days i like them. if you feel guilty about going in to a biz & just walking out on them, slip a tip b 20 to your favorite lady (dancer / service) & they'll be content that you at least gave their place a chance & contributed b 20. it really is hit-or-miss so even my favorite places (ws ggs. baccara, happy, gentlemen's, airport; ws bbs – basilisk, dream pim 1 both in new simon bb complex; pbg bb complex) may be great one moment & bad the next.
- exchange rates: i'm using b (aht) 30 = us $1
(so b 5 = $.17, b 10 = $.34, b 20 = $.70, b 50 = $1. 70, b 100 = $3. 40, b 500 = $17, b 1, 000 = $34,)
- fri / 8 aug: bkk (bangkok airport) scb (siam commercial bank, the purple booths / atms) had b 29. 60 (whether before or after baggage pick-up / customs) but withdrawing from the scb atm i got b 31. 35.
- i think i get the same x / see rate regardless of atm machine but an x / see booth at airport gives slightly less baht than an x / see booth outside of the airport (common case worldwide).
- atms: can withdraw up to b 20, 000, atm fee b 150 (i've heard aeon atms don't charge a fee)
- my bank reimburses me the atm fee so that's moot (options: ally, schwab, & usaa banks)
- saw that the euro x / see rate was b 41. 50 for euro 50 – 500 denominations & b 41. 45 for euro 5 – euro 20. you get a better x / see rate with larger denominations (eg us $50/$100) and better if bills are new (er) , unmarked / undamaged.
- i get the best x / see rate via atms (or paying with my credit card if there's no 3/4/5% convenience fee) but when i use an x / see booth i just stick with friendship mart or ws rather than running around patts trying to score an extra. 05 baht better x / see rate.
- pricing: your price depends on what the lady thinks of you, what time it is (prefers a quick st or lt late as a last chance to get paid before ending the night). helps if you're: fun / charismatic, young / good-looking / well-dressed, a good negotiator / patient. they love whiteness (i'm not caucasian & i don't have north asian porcelain skin) & dislike beards. the same lady (whether gg, bg, soi 6, fl) for an lt may charge me. b 1500, john doe. b 4000, mr givesemtittyboners. b 1000, lucky guy. free sex.
- free sex? : if you're on vacation, be generous to a pattaya lady giving you free sex, perhaps st b 500+/lt b 1, 000+ for taxi / food / whatever. if you give her the money & she declines it, yeah i guess don't pay her but chances are she'll accept the money as she has bills to pay. i've met women who gave away supposedly 'free sex' (received 0 payment from the guy) but it was because they were too timid (friend sen was too nervous to ask for the post-sex st b 500 one time when she was a new br fl & there was the english / cultural barrier, so the pos (piece of shit customer) took advantage of that) or too forgetful (from being hungover / tired, pre-occupied / in a rush to leave, etc) to confirm they were paid for the st / lt.
i came close to freebies: 1) in 2010 i hooked up with this aig. pattaya office worker & she didn't want to accept the st b 700, but i insisted she take it 'for taxi. ' 2) early 2013 with ibar fl am, off-duty from her soi 6 quicky bb job. she was leaving my room before i had a chance to place the lt b 1, 000 on her purse so i handed it to her, she looked at it & i wasn't sure if she'the accept, she did then left.
- this trip i wanted to again test my theory that some ladies just overlook getting the money but when given it, will accept. 1) ibar / jp bar fl friend 13 pupe, off-duty from gentlemen's club gg, after we exited my room & just before we parted ways i gave her st money. the next time we did lt & i didn't pay her before she left my room but gave her a tip b 1, 000 (& some lds) the next night when i was at her gg. 2) friend 24 fl from sensations gg, after the bbbjcim+swallowing, i didn't pay her, we went to insomnia & lost each other. i gave her a tip b 500 + a ld when i was at her gg the next night. 3) friend 33 mai, after the st we were walking on soi bj and i said i had to get change. she said if i didn't have the money i didn't have to pay (i could hardly believe she said that). i didn't want to stiff her (additionally, it was her 22nd birthday and i had popped her cherry ass). after i broke the b 1, 000 bill at 7-11 i ended up paying her st b 700 (i was considering b 500 but she deserved more than that).
- bottom line: life doesn't get much better than being on vacation in pattaya, so you getting a freebie & the lady receiving b 500+/b 1, 000+ because you're a good guy is a win-win.
gg terms & pricing: if i'm going to pay gg prices, i'm going to bf one i've seen naked / is confirmed hot.
- coyotes = ladies who show no nudity (keep their top / bottom bikini eg lady love gg or wearing jean-booty shorts & sexy top eg sensations gg)
- dancers = shows nudity (at minimum they're topless)
- hostess, showergirls = both self-explanatory but the latter is obviously fully nude.
- showgirls = do performances usually starting at 10 pm and maybe every 20+ min thereafter,
usually dancers / showgirls are in-house ladies but i've met agency ladies who were nude / did shows.
- ld b 135 but some places have different prices (small vs big ld, in-house lady vs agency lady ld)
- st b 2, 000, lt b 3, 000 usually.
- bf service / dancers / hostess = cheapest eg bf b 700.
- bf showgirls = higher pricing eg bf b 1, 000 since she won't be available to do shows if you bf her.
- bf agency lady = before midnight bf b 1, 500, after midnight b 1, 000, typically.
- cheaper bf (by 50+%) after 01:30 at some ws ggs
- st rooms = i can think of 6+ ggs with their own st facilities which you have complimentary use of as part of the bf (example: b 2, 100 = st b 1, 500 + bf b 600 including use of the st room).
bb pricing:
- bf b 300, unless she's a bb dancer than it's bf b 600.
- ld b150 (i don't know why a bg ld is usually more expensive than a gg ld)
- st b 500 – b 1, 000, lt b 1, 000 – b 2, 000 usually.
soi 6 pricing:
- bf b 300 – b 350 including use of an in-house st room.
- st b 700 – b 1, 000.
- lt bf b 600 (sometimes you can only lt bf after sundown) + lt b 1, 500 – b 2, 000.
fl pricing: no bf.
- from br: st b 500 – b 1, 000 and lt b 1, 000 – b 3, 000.
- from ws: st b 1, 000 and lt b 1, 500 – b 3, 000.
- from discos: st b 500 – b 1, 000 and lt b 1, 000 – b 2, 000.
ld: the lady gets a b 50 commission per ld, which is reasonable since the ld is about b 50 more than a regular drink (eg my jack+coke b 150, her ld jack+coke b 200). you could also just give her a tip b 20+ (tip b 100 & she'll fondly remember you).
maximizing my money: on this trip i managed to not pay a single bf since i only got fls. as you can tell by the pictures i also prefer quantity over quality. i value:
- (35 people i can tip x tip b 20) (br fl b 700) (5 x ld b 140)
- (2 fl x lt b 1, 500) (2 bg x (bf b 300 + lt b 1, 200) (1 gg x (bf b 700 + lt b 2, 000)
p4p (pay for play) :
- i tried to spend on st b 500 – b 800 and on lt b 1, 000 – b 1, 500 including all money i give her for tips / songtaew / taxi / food. as appropriate i give tip b 100 – b 200, songtaew b 20, (motorbike) taxi b 100, food b 20+.
3 discounts cards, good for life, i bought, use and recommend:
- bm privilege card b 250: usually save 10% on your drinks at 20 participating businesses.
- irewards member b 100+: save 20% on ibar / insomnia drinks; get gold member b 500 so on the rare occasions you go up to the insomnia vip area you're permitted access (i go up when a friend drags me)
- gentlemen's club gg vip card b 500: save 10% on your drinks (except for the nightly b 50 / drink special) & also on lds, access to their vip area upstairs.
expenses:
plane tix: from lax (los angeles) to bkk is about $1, 200 round trip. this trip i flew lax-hkg-bkk for 42, 500 british airways miles + $160 taxes / fees. i flew bkk-hkg-lax for 30, 000 american airline miles + $65 (= $40 taxes / fees + $25 telephone booking since the online booking was giving me problems).
airport transportation:
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$20 / ride one-way between la / oc (la / orange county) house & lax.
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shuttle b 220 / ride one-way between bkk & patts hotel.
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private taxi b 1, 000 for bkk-patts hotel and b 900 for patts hotel-bkk.
jasmine hotel, soi bj, ws (walking street) ; standard (cheapest) room:
- total b 17, 800 in low season = 28 nights for b 15, 000 long stay rate + 5 extra nights for b 2, 680 (ie b 537 / night extra). so b 17, 800/33 nights = b 540 / night average rate.
misc (entertainment / food / drink / friends / etc) : spent about $4, 080/34 days = $120 / day (b 3, 600 / day).
- daily breakdown $120 = food $10 (b 300) + my drinks $30 (b 900) + st (s) /lt $50 (b 1, 500) + other $30 (b 900) including laundry / tips / souvenirs / transportation / etc.
total on trip 3 = about $5, 000 = plane tix $225 + shuttle to / from lax $50 (including $5 / ride tip) + taxi to patts $40 (including b 220 tip) + bell shuttle to bkk $8 + hotel $ 622 (including b 20 / morning tip to the housekeeper) + spending money $4, 080.
2) business musings.
buying / owning / running a bb: any pattaya business is a high risk undertaking but my buddy wants me to research getting a bb. off the top of my head some selection criteria:
- location: purchase an existing biz on soi 6 (alternate: on ws)
- requires minimal refurbishment / new furnishings: st rooms should have air-con, ensuite shower (not down the hallway) , decent beds.
- start-up costs: to buy the business, rental / lease key money, etc.
- operating expenses cushion: to sustain the biz for 6+ months as we build up our clientele / reputation.
- security system: internet connected to allow remote live viewing, deter theft, etc, eg the sentinel
- big uncertainty 1: paying tea money.
- big uncertainty 2: spiteful competitors (out to sabotage us, complain that we're stealing their ladies / business, etc) & organized crime (is that an issue if we're paying tea money to the right people?)
- minor details: accept credit cards with a 3% surcharge.
case studies: i'm not creative so i'the take cues from the successful bbs, ggs and discos / ibar.
- i'm guessing: the 2 most profitable large ggs are baccara & sensations which rely on disparate business models. most profitable medium gg is superbaby (which is busier than supergirls). don't know what's the most profitable small gg (gentlemen's?).
business model 1) moderate pricing, most in-house ladies (0 or few agency ladies) , mostly st 2k / lt 3k.
1) happy group ggs: happy, peppermint, beach (baccara is an outlier on st / lt pricing)
- open 20:00 – 04:00.
- hh 20:00. 21:30 drinks specials b 70
- all night draft beer b 65
- ld b 130
- bf b 700 (same bf regardless of lady: hostess, coyote, dancer, showgirl)
- flagship is baccara: 100 women, rep for having hotties, attracts jap / korean big spenders / regulars.
2) casnovy gg (part of the blue sky group which also owns the blue sky live music bar on ws soi bj)
- open 20:00 – 03:00.
- hh 20:00 – 23:30 (, need to double-check info on casnovy)
- all night draft beer b 70 (?)
- ld b 110.
- bf b 700 for dancer / hostess, and i think showgirl bf b 1, 000.
3) hands-on ggs:
a) babydolls & private dancer.
- open 20:00 – 03:00.
- hh 20:00 – 22:00 (?)
- all night draft beer b 70 (?)
- at 01:30 all bfs drops to b 350 (?)
be) windmill & sugarbaby.
- open 19:00 – 03:00.
- hh 20:00 – 22:00 (?)
- all night draft beer b 70 (?)
4) airport gg:
- open 20:00 – 03:00.
- all night heineken draft beer b 85.
- showergirl / showgirl bf 1, 000, other ladies b 700.
5) gentlemen's club gg:
- each night has a drink special b 50 (sun smirnoff vodka, mon gilbeys gin, tue jose cuervo tequila, wed heineken bottle, thu johnnie walker black, fri san miguel light bottle, sat jack daniels)
- ld b 135 for an in-house lady; to an agency lady it's regular ld b 150, big ld b 200
business model 2) premium pricing (& most of the ladies want st b 2, 000, lt b 3, 000)
1) sensations gg: 100 women, rep for having hotties, very little nudity.
- agency coyote bf: bf b 1, 500 before midnight, bf b 1, 000 after midnight
- service / dancer bf: b 700 (?)
- no hh or draft beer / drink specials.
2) what's up gg: rep for having hotties, being expensive, has some nudity.
- different st bf & lt bf, both expensive (st bf b 1, 000, lt bf b 2, 000 or something)
- no hh or draft beer / drink specials.
- regular ld b 185, big ld b 220.
business model 3) fixed pricing (ie superbaby / supergirls, don't know other ggs with fixed st / lt prices)
- bf b 700 + st b 2k or lt b 3k that the customer pays upfront to the service / mamasan.
- no hh or draft beer / drink specials.
opening up an after-hours / ibar / casino club type biz on soi lk metro would do well. have discounted drinks (sell at-cost if necessary) for ladies to attract local ladies / fls which in turn attract punters, appeal to the ladies on buakhao / lk metro getting off work in that area who don't want to / can't compete as a fl on ws (ibar / insomnia / etc) , appeal to the expats and tourists avoiding ws. hollywood club does well in its remote location, a lk metro after-hours biz would be a median between hollywood club and the ws-places.
3) diary (i'm guessing 20. 50% of the ladies who said i popped their cherry asses are lying).
day 1, thu / 8 aug, plane twice delayed.
friend 1 jaeb, see photo, age 35, phone 084-457-5400, insomnia fl. 2 rounds 2 pops, pop cherry ass 1, atm 1, cim 1
total b 1, 630 = lt b 1, 500 + taxi b 20 + slushee shot b 30 + mini-mart stuff b 80
overall b = service a + face c + body c + total b 1, 630
03:00 land at suvarnabhumi (was supposed to land at 21:45)
03:50 mr. keak's taxi driver b 1, 000 + tip b 260 (the driver waited 5 extra hrs because of my plane delays)
05:00 jasmine hotel standard room 104 check-in (didn't like the room and later changed to room 102)
05:20 ibar basically closed so i go insomnia.
07:00 friend 1 jeab round 1 fellatio, pop cherry ass, atm after removing condom, cim
day 2, fri / 9 aug, b 500 / drink
friend 2 nam, see photo, age 22, phone 088-310-5419, ibar fl, normally works soi 6, 3 rounds 4 pops, cim 2
total b 1, 710 = lt b 1, 000 + taxi b 100 + slushee shot b 30 + mini-mart stuff b 80 + grey goose cocktail b 500
overall b = service a + face c + body b + total b 1, 710
08:00 sleep
10:00 b 50 seafood fried noodles
14:00 friend 1 jeab round 2 and she leaves.
(towards the end of my trip i was with friend 1 jeab again. that time she was a drama queen / high maintenance. i won't be fl'ing her again).
15:00 eat again
15:30 i get a facial (from a masseuse at a legit spa, not from a lb) b 300 + tip b 100
17:00 internet
19:00 sleep
20:40 wake up
21:05 at 3 angels bar (soi 6) to meet up with bm doctorcopenhagen
21:40 nightwish
22:30 worldwide gg
23:00 walk around soi 7 and 8
23:40 ws: hit several ggs superbaby, sensations, happy, sapphire, then ibar
03:00 hit baccara for 4 draft beers at b 65 / ea. 1 ld b 130 lady says i'm the first one to buy her a ld all night, that the 2 months she's worked at baccara she's only had 7 bf's so she may not work much longer, that she can't work as an agency / contract girl as she wouldn't be able to earn the required number of lds (she says it's 10 lds / night, which seems too high)
03:40 go to my room to do some stuff, people watch on ws
05:10 ibar, bee (who used to work at soi 6 quicky bar) recognizes me and asks me to join her group: she's with friend 2 nam, another female and their european friend
05:30 insomnia vip area for grey goose bottle service b 2, 500 with membership card (the euro guy paid for it but bee asked me to kick in b 1, 000 which seemed fair. unfortunately, after friend 2 nam and i each had only 1 grey goose cocktail, friend 2 nam wanted to go to the hotel. b 1, 000/2 grey goose cocktails = b 500 / cocktail).
07:00 friend 2 nam and i go to my room, round 1 with 2 pops, got my finger in her backdoor but she insists on no backdoor sex, ed makes it impossible anyway
08:00 sleep
day 3, sat / 10 aug, hello darkness, my old friend
friend 3, see photo, age 25, has a kid. 4 rounds 4 pops, pop cherry ass 2, atm 2, cim 3
total b 1, 220 = lt b 1, 000 + tip b 200 + taxi b 20
overall b = service a + face d + body d + total b 1, 220
10:10 i wake up, round 2 pop 3, abstract painting then she goes back to sleep
13:00 round 3 pop 4, she chides me about wanting too much sex
13:40 eat
17:30 meet bm kbwinaga at soi diamond carousel bb
18:30 i walk to soi 6, get some thai dinner and a drink at sky bar, say hello to bm skeeterp
20:00 walk br to ws
20:30 supergirl gg, kbwinaga meets me there
21:15 we hit superbaby gg
22:00 then baccara and kbwinaga stays upstairs to hook-up with a waitress
23:00 people watch from new star bb at corner of soi diamond & ws
00:00 airport gg and i buy showergirl ohm (?) a ld (she gets a bottle of spy, so it's a pricy ld). i get hit up for lds by 3+ employees (mamasan boom, waitresses) , happens almost every time i'm in airport. one mamasan persuades me to give the birthday waitress b 100 for her be-day money necklace, which i'm ok with as long as i get some of the be-day food. that mamasan also gets me to buy her a regular ld b 140 (?) and in return she'd buy me a draft beer b 85. after i finish that draft beer i get to go to airport's very back, open-air, over / over-looking the water and grub but most of the good stuff is gone. showergirl ohm hooks me up with a bottle of water when she notices i'm sweating bullets from the spiciness.
01:00 basilisk bb new simon bb complex to meet up with kbwinaga who's done with his st. it's miss cambodia's be-day (i don't her real name but she looks cambodian) so i give her b 100 and i eat lots of her be-day tasty rotisserie chicken.
01:40 cheers bb at old simon bb complex (same owners as basilisk bb)
02:20 we walk thru ibar & insomnia
02:40 marine disco and i meet friend 3 and her friends
03:00 ed during round 1 so i lose the erection the moment the condom's on, so just a bj and finish via cim and couldn't convince her to swallow. get some sleep.
05:30 ed gone, round 2 pop 2 including popping her cherry ass, atm, finish via cim and still won't swallow, time for some more sleep. turns out her looks are lacking but she rocked my world when she was doing woman-on-top.
day 4, sun / 11 aug, abstinence
08:30 friend 3, round 3 pop 3, abstract painting
10:00 b 40 seafood fried noodles from the chef lady on soi 14 near 2nd road (she's just to the right of sanya nightstar)
13:00 back in my room, round 4 pop 4
14:30 friend 3 leaves, i tipped her b 200 for popping her cherry ass, giving such good head and taking cim, though she wouldn't swallow.
15:00 my room gets cleaned and i get some food. on ws i befriend swedish buddy, who tells me about getting kicked out of baccara the night before over a dispute with a waiter about his bill / bin. of course the swede was drunk.
16:00 swedish buddy only got to town yesterday and it's his first time to patts, so i'm show him around soi 6.
16:30 at 3 angels bar the girls i like (pin, ou) are there.
17:30 nightwish bb, run in to kbwinaga
18:30 i introduce swede to soi 7 and 8
19:30 relax in the hotel room
21:00 take swede to the 3 other happy group ggs: peppermint, beach, happy. we also hit sweethearts because he says there's a spinner i'd like, but she's not there. sweethearts manager comes by our table and introduces himself, friendly chap. sweethearts is a small gg but had dozens of women, but none to my liking. their draft beer is b 75, not sure if it's a bigger glass than the happy group ggs' b 65 draft beer.
00:00 somehow i lose swede, so i go in to baccara.
01:00 meet up with kbwinaga again and he recommends pepe gg (below x-zone) , which turned out to be pretty good.
02:00? i have no recollection after pepe.
day 5, mon / 12 aug, blissful masseuse
friend 4 kaem, see photo, age 26, phone 088-846-8932, soi x-cyte masseuse. 2 rounds 3 pops, cim 4
st total b 700 = massage b 100 + bj b 500 + tip b 100
lt total b 1, 390 = bf (?) b 100 + lt b 1, 200 + motor taxi b 50 + san miguel light b 40
overall b = service a + face c + body b + st total b 700 + lt total b 1, 390
08:30 i wake up in my room, not sure how i got home last night. no lady, no morning bj / sex but on the plus side i'm mostly caught up on my sleep which means i should have more power for the first rounds with the ladies and less issues with ed. in the us, being unemployed for the last 3 years, i can get 8+ hrs sleep / night and an afternoon 1 hr nap. when in patts, getting by on sporadic 3 hr sleep sessions (as i try to tap the girl anytime i have a boner) is exhausting. it's practically the effort of a full-time job.
09:30 b 40 noodle soup. stop by swede's hotel (he doesn't have a cellphone) to say hello.
10:30 on ws can't find a decent, available chick for a morning st / bj. was about to go jog br to get a fl but it starts to rain. no bj so distant second choice: delicious b 50 egg / shrimp crepes.
16:00 meet with swede who's staying at the encore hotel (ws soi 14, across from sanya nightstar) and take him past tukcom
16:30 on soi buakhao eat at "i saan restaurant"
17:00 point out action street to the swede, and then walk him by soi lengkee, chaiyapoon, thru lk metro and then bliss lounge. to my horror, it's closed (i hear today's the thai queen's birthday, so it's a mother's day holiday but closures / prohibitions aren't as monger-handicapping as buddha day)
17:20 triangle bar which has the buy 1, get 1 free special (leo beer is b 80 and you get 2 bottles).
17:30 at "thank you massage" (?) on soi x-cyte (just past triangle bar on the way to bliss) i ask the masseuse in front
me: "how much for blowjob?"
her: "how much you give me?"
me: "500 baht"
her: nods yes.
friend 4 kaem leads me in to a back room with massage mats separated by only curtains, but i'm the only customer so we actually have privacy. i told the swede i'll meet up with him at 18:00 so to save time, after i shower, i don't bother asking masseuse to get naked, she just bbbjcim. after finishing i tell / show her i accidentally broke the towel bar in the shower and offered to pay for it, but she said don't worry about it. at the front i pay her bj b 500 + she says massage b 100 (which i didn't get unless we're counting massaging mini-me with her mouth / hand, but that wasn't 1 hr) + tip b 100. i also tip her 2 co-workers b 100 (so b 50 / ea)"for food" since i was happy to finally get a bj, so that adds up to b 800. since bliss lounge all-in (bf / room use + lady's payment) is b 700 anyways and i tip about b 100, i would have spent b 800+ (if i got a drink / ld) anyways at bliss (though i would of use the allotted bj 40 min limit) , and friend 4 kaew is cuter than any available bliss gal i've ever seen. i get her number and she agrees to lt after she gets off work at midnight.
18:05 at triangle with swede, then to look at english rose guesthouse (just past canterbury tales bookstore & guesthouse) which is nicely new. previously it was a karaoke bar but bm english rose seemed to put lots of money / effort / care in to the rooms (eg 32" lcd tvs, i think toshiba) , lobby / bar has nice pool tables, mod decor, etc. i'll only stay at a ws' hotel, but i hope english rose does well as a lk metro vicinity guesthouse.
18:30 billabong bb near office gg. they discontinued the 10% discount using my pa membership card so i didn't save b 2. 5 on my water b 25. instead, they have a 14:00. 02:00 buy 1 beer, get 1 free.
19:15 bm doctorcopenhagen meets up with us.
20:30 hit office gg (ok) , peeked inside queens and bachelor but didn't seem worth staying for a drink
21:15 crystal club gg. end up having several drinks there. the scandinavians (swede & danish) dudes buy lds (b 130 / ea) , i considered it but the ladies i liked were coyotes. if i buy a ld, hard / unlikely to see her breasts and feel them up, which is the price they pay for accepting a ld from 7c (cheap charlie chan can't cum, can chuckwow). i ended up tipping 2 different naked dancers b 20 / ea.
22:45 friend 4 texts me. i had told her to meet me on ws in front of candyshop disco, but since i was still at lk metro i offered to swing by her massage.
23:00 bid farewell to the scandinavians then i meet friend 4. some miscommunication and i think she asked me to pay the massage parlor b 200 (for a bf, i'm not sure) but it's closed and i say b 100 and she says ok. i hand it to the co-worker who gives me a quizzical look and i think friend 4 tells her it's a "tip." it starts to lightly rain so instead of saving money & exercising by going to ws on foot, i offer to get us a motorbike (taxi). b 50 / person and the driver takes both of us to ws, i pay b 100. i get b 40 pad thai take-away for myself and she gets for herself a san mig light b 41 (though i thought the b 40 would have covered it, so she came out of pocket b 1) from a mini-mart.
00:30 round 1 pop 1 via cim and she swallows. when she was blowing me then riding on top of me i needed 15 minutes to type time-sensitive e-mails and she voiced her displeasure with my distraction. monger can't multi-task in peace with this lady. still have an erection and she asks if i took viagra, in the past i would deny it but now on i just say "yes." hand party and abstract painting as pop 2. i eat the pad thai post-sex. if i had tried to eat the pad thai and type e-mails while getting a blowjob, she'd probably be angry.
01:15 it's raining heavily, glad i'm not on the hunt for a friend. we sleep.
04:15 i tap, she denies anal-entry, i finish on her round 2 pop 3. she goes back to sleep.
05:00 instead of surfing the web for the next several hrs because i can't sleep, i finally had the epiphany to go jogging. during times when the friend is asleep, mini-me is recharging for the next pop, i'll remember / force myself to exercise instead of 2. 3 hrs of.
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05:40 br jog done. from a fruit vendor i get 2 (servings of) watermelons. 1 pineapple. 1 cantaloupe which should cost b 40 (b 10 / ea) but he says b 60. i should have asked him the price first, or tell him that it's b 40, but too lazy / tired to argue over b 20 ($.67). i was going to tip him b 20 anyways, but now i've just been cheated of b 20. yes, i am a sucker but b 20 are the least of my concerns. bigger worry: how i'm going to pay for my oct-nov 2013 trip.
05:50 eat my fruit and see who's available on ws. when i have a lady i always seem to spot plenty of other potential candidates that i'm missing out on. jp bar's pretty happening also.
day 6, tue / 13 aug, anustart.
friend 5 faii, see photo, age 20, has kid, phone 087-940-3632, insomnia fl. 3 rounds 3 pops, pop cherry ass 3, atm 3
total b 1, 185 = lt b 1, 000 + mototaxi b 100 + popcorn b 65 + toothbrush b 20
overall a = service a + face a + body a + total b 1, 185
07:40 done adding to this trip 3 report and headed out to see who's available (since insomnia closes at 08:00 and jp bar is happening 06:00. 10:00) and to get some food. love staying at a ws hotel.
21:00 meet bm milos at beach gg, then we hit superbaby, supergirl
23:30 ibar, bacardi black bottle service b 1, 280 (with ibar member card) includes bucket ice and 4 mixers
02:00 milos calls it a night
04:00 insomnia meet friend 5 faii, she loses my hat
05:00 leave insomnia, round 1 pop 1 including popping her cherry ass and do atm
06:00 round 2 pop 2, i offer her a b 20 toothbrush since she doesn't have one. had i known she wouldn't be able to sleep at my place, i wouldn't have.
07:00 says she can only sleep in her own room and asks if she can leave now, which i prefer not. asks what time can she leave, i suggest 15:00 since the housekeeper cleans the room then. she asks for 12:00. i already worked her pretty hard by tapping her cherry ass + atm so i'd feel bad if i also made her do a full lt period of 7 hrs (from 05:00. 12:00) so i tell her to if she does another bj and i get one more pop in, she can then leave. round 3 pop 3, bbbj but denies cim.
07:45 she leaves and i sleep alone.
day 7, wed / 14 aug, ex-happy gg coyote # 100
friend 6 new, see photo, age 18, phone 092-051-4093, br / ws fl. 1 round 1 pop, cbj (will not do bbbj)
total b 640 = st b 600 + taxi b 20 + for mini-mart b 20
overall b = service c + face b + body c + total b 640
friend 7, see photo, age 23, insomnia / ibar fl, says she used to work at some ggs including as happy gg coyote # 100, says she currently has a bangkok hair salon but fls in patts when she needs extra cash, i think she said she has a kid. 3 rounds 3 pops, pop cherry ass 4, atm 4
total b 1, 300 = lt b 1, 000 + tip b 200 + motortaxi b 100
overall b = service c + face b + body c + total b 1, 300
16:00 sleep
20:30 wake up, eat b 30 chicken coconut curry with rice
21:00 pbg (pattaya beer garden) bb complex; at easy bb the age 19 cutie spinner (though has a kid) doesn't mind bjs but wants st b 1, 000, refuses my offer of lt b 1, 000 or lt b 1, 500. well that was a waste of a ld b 150 but at least my water is only b 30. didn't want to bf b 300 her just for a st so didn't bother trying to negotiate her st rate down to b 500. b 700. easy bb owner (i've known him since january) tells me bb girls wouldn't go lt for b 1, 000; apparently he hasn't read the forums where the ccs say a bargirl should be lt b 1, 000.
21:30 br parking lot, couple of good candidates. first one is age 22 and quotes me lt b 3, 000, so i pass. second one i approach, friend 6 new, says st b 1, 000, lt b 2, 000. i offer her lt b 1, 500 but she declines. i'm about to walk away and she suddenly changes her mind. she said she was worried it was about to rain so she didn't want to pass me up as a customer. off we go and i confirm she does bjs but should have said "you smoke, no condom, ok?"
21:45 in my room she won't try anal or do bbbj. not having taken kamagra, no potential for anal, and only getting a cbj (which was pretty good for a cbj) , mini-me was only semi-enthused, semi-rigid for intercourse. since i don't / can't finish via intercourse or (c) bj, she resorts to hj. 10+ minutes later (i wanted her arm to go sore) i tell her i don't finish via hj either, so then i do my abstract painting.
22:40 she wants to go to insomnia to see famous thai singer ms. baitoey rsaim perform. i tell her that ok if she'll give me bbbj and / or pop her cherry ass, she declines. tell her that at insomnia i'll get bacardi black bottle (i misunderstood: she likes bacardi but the breezer strawberry). she says bacardi black bottle service is b 1, 800 and why do i pay that but i only pay small money lt b 1, 500. i show her pics of friends 1 (who would have been lt b 1, 000 if i forgo'd the cherry ass popping) and she says she's old (correct: she's 35). show pics of friend 2 and she says she's not pretty (i respond that friend 2's photo is of her in the morning, and she's not wearing make-up).
22:45 she gets a phone call, tells me she has to give the room key to her friend but i can go with her to meet her friend if don't believe her, or she could just return to me in 1 hour. she asks for b 800 as payment for 1/2 of the lt b 1, 500 (obviously not 1/2) and that she'll come back to me in 1 hour for the rest of the lt / payment and because she likes talking to me (presumably because i speak english and understand what she's saying, she doesn't go with non-asian dude, her only customers are jap / korean / chinese). i initially give her b 700 + songtaew b 20, then i just pull one of the b 100 for no good reason but she doesn't protest with the st b 600 + taxi b 20.
22:50 see her standing on ws working as a fl, and we smile at each other. i hand her a b 20 and tell her it's for a drink and i point at the 7-11 behind her.
23:00 walk thru ibar and to insomnia, get a table along the wall across from the dj booth. get bacardi black b 1, 800 (with ibar card) which comes with a bucket of ice + i want 2 waters + 2 coke lights (though the waitress brought me 3 cans).
24:00 insomnia's full with no empty tables left. i see friend 5 (and later friend 1) and waive hello. (friend 1 was happy to see me, friend 5 was not).
01:00 singer ms. baitoey rsaim performs, i recognize 1 or 2 of her songs.
02:00 performance over and i proposition standing next to me this cutie spinner, age 20, no kids, her and her friend works soi 7 (probably at a bb). she declines my lt b 1, 200 and counters with lt b 2, 000 which i decline.
04:00 dancing next to the center go-go stage (one with the arm rails) and proposition one dancing girl lt b 1, 000, she wants lt b 2, 000, no dice. i buy 6 slushee shots for 6 ladies, b 180 spent (b 30 / slushee shot) , zero accomplished. 2 italian dudes with grey goose bottle service like how i drink my bacardi as straight shots (coke / water as a chaser) and end up giving me total 3 shots of their grey goose. to reciprocate i would rather buy them popcorn b 65 but don't see the guy so i get the 2 italians and myself total 3 slushee shots.
05:00
day 8, thu / 15 aug, anti-jihad (i stopped taking detailed daily notes).
friend 8, see photo, age 31, br fl, normally a cook at kiss food (soi diana / second road).1 round 1 pop, pop cherry ass 5, atm 5, cim, she's malaysian and muslim (won't even drink alcohol)
total b 600 = st b 500 + petrol b 100 (she has a motorbike)
overall a = service a + face c + body c + total b 600
friend 9 reaya, see photo, age 23, 081-152-2598, ibar / ws fl, normally living dolls gg (across from 7-11) coyote # 88, 3 rounds 3 pops, cim, she's 1/2 cambodian. 1/2 filipina (i think)
total b 1, 220 = lt b 1, 000 + tip b 100 + motortaxi b 100 + tip b 20
overall a = service a + face c + body c + total b 640
day 9, fri / 16 aug, yodsak's b-day
friend 10, see photo, age 21, insomnia fl. 2 rounds 3 pops
total b 1, 120 = lt b 1, 000 + motortaxi b 100 + taxi be 20
overall a = service a + face c + body c + total b 1, 120
day 10, sat / 17 aug, sensational fl
friend 11, see photo, age 25 (?) , ibar fl, normally sensations gg coyote # 3 (before that she worked airport gg).1 rounds 1 pop, pop cherry ass 6, atm 6
total b 1, 000+ = lt b 1, 000 + ld b 150
overall a = service a + face c + body d + total b 1, 000+
day 11, sun / 18 aug, soi 7 fl
friend 12 num, age 22, 089-376-7601, see photo, ibar / insomnia fl, normally works soi 7 happiness 2 bb. 4 round 4 pops. 3-holer
total b 1, 370 = lt b 1, 200 + motortaxi b 100 + ibar slushee shot b 30 + noodles b 40
overall a = service b + face a + body b + total b 1, 370
day 12, mon / 19 aug,
friend 13 pupe, see photo, age 22, 088-733-5603, insomnia fl, normally gentlemen's club dancer # 3, 1 round 1 pop
total b 630 = st b 500 + motortaxi b 100 + ibar slushee shot b 30
overall a = service b + face b + body a + total b 630
friend 14 louise, age 26, 090-982-9816, insomnia / jp bar fl, owns a bb with her sister. 2 rounds 4 pops, cim.
total b 1, 500 = lt b 1, 500
overall a = service a + face a + body a + total b 1, 500
03:30 at ibar with bms theroadwarrior and frbt (who had bfd a dancer from gentlemen's club gg). frbt's lady invites her 2 co-workers, who meet us at ibar. one of those co-workers is friend 13 pupe. 05:xx pupe and the other lady go their own way.
05:15 me, theroadwarrior, frbt and his lady eat at marine seafood.
05:45 everyone else leaves, i swing by jp bar and see pupe playing pool. i order a b 85 heineken which she pays for on my behalf (i was in the toilet when the waiter brought it over).
06:00 pupe says she's ready to go, we do a st in my room.
06:40 i was hoping for an lt but she has to leave. while walking near jp bar i hand her st b 500 (though if i hadn't paid her anything at this point, she wouldn't have said anything) , and she accepts (there goes my freebie).
06:45 go to insomnia and see friend 14 louise there.
07:00 insomnia closes and i head over to jp bar, and there's louise again. i approach her and she agrees to go with me. during our rounds, she reveals that she loves tossing the salad (licking butt-holes) and wants me to lay on my stomach as she rims me. i thought it was a ploy and that she would stick her finger or something in my butt, so as i'm laying on my stomach that was the most scared i had ever been during sex. although getting my salad isn't my thing, she's good at it and more importantly, no penetration.
- during the round 1 with 2 pops, and during round 2 with 2 pops, all of them she takes as cim because she likes cim.
day 13, tue / 20 aug,
friend 15 ann, see photo from facebook, age 20, 085-785-3367, has a kid, br fl, used to work soi 6, 3 or 4 rounds and 3 or 4 pops, pop cherry ass, atm
total b 1, 820 = lt b 1, 500 + tip b 100 + taxi b 20 + snacks b 100
overall a = service a + face b + body c + total b 1, 720
14:00 i hand friend 14 louise lt b 1, 000, she says that's not enough and that she gets st b 2, 000. we agreed upon lt b 1, 500. i see her several times again at ibar / insomnia but she won't go with me for only lt b 1, 500. i would like to get her again at least once more, even if it is for lt b 2, 000.
22:00 i see friend 15 ann on br and we agree upon lt b 1, 500.
day 14, wed / 21 aug
friend 4 kaem again, see photo, age 26, phone 088-846-8932, soi x-cyte masseuse. 1 round 2 pops, cim
total b 700 = massage b 100 + st bj b 500 + tip b 100
overall b = service a + face c + body b + total b 700
friend 16, age 22, jp bar fl. 2 rounds 0 pops
total b 595 = st b 500 + jp bar heineken b 85
overall d = service d + face c + body c + total b 595
08:00 (really on 22 aug) at jp bar i ask her if she wants to go with me lt b 1, 000, she eagerly agrees to it. turns out she just wanted a place to sleep so round 1 was awful with 0 pops.
10:00 she wakes up, i try round 2 and to see if i can pop her cherry ass, she says she'll box me, i think she's joking, she's pissed i'm trying to anal probe her, she punches me in the jaw and it hurt. i go back to vaginally tapping her, she says she wants to go home, i say ok and stop (without popping, so that's 2 rounds. 0 pops). at the jasmine reception desk i hand her b 500 as it was 2 hrs of badness but she says b 1, 000, i shake my head and she stomps on my foot with the heel of her high heel. i was wearing flip-flops but luckily her heel tip slipped / only scrapped my toe.
epilogue: another time at jp bar she recognizes me and gives me the stink-eye, i offer to buy her a heineken b 85, she accepts the peace offering so i think i've gotten amnesty (instead of a shank in the back).
day 15, thu / 22 aug
friend 17, see photo, age 24, ibar / insomnia fl, normally bachelor club gg coyote, pop cherry ass, atm
total b 730 = st b 500 + tip b 200 + slushee shot b 30 + ibar drink b 120.
overall b = service a + face b + body c + total b 730
friend 18, see photo, age 27, has a kid, insomnia / jp bar fl. 2 rounds 2 pops
total b 1, 095 = lt b 1, 000 + jp bar san mig light b 95
overall c = service c + face c + body c + total b 1, 095
day 16, fri / 23 aug
friend 19, age 22, insomnia fl. 4 rounds 4 pops
total b 1, 030 = lt b 1, 000 + chicken rice curry b 30
overall a = service b + face b + body b + total b 1, 030
day 17, sat / 24 aug
friend 20 nam see facebook photo, age 25, has 2 kids, ibar fl, sometimes works soi 6 sky bar. 2 rounds 2 pops. 3-holer (?) , cim
total b 1, 200 = lt b 1, 000 + tip b 200
overall a = service a + face c + body c + total b 1, 200
day 18, sun / 25 aug
friend 21 ning, see photo. 085-238-0056, age 19, br / candyshop disco fl. 1 round 1 pop, no dfk
total b 720 = st b 600 + tip b 60 + snacks / misc b 50
overall a = service b + face b + body a + total b 720
friend 22, see photo, age 26, has a kid, ws fl, runner. 2 rounds 2 pops
total b 1, 500 = st b 1, 000 + mediation resolution b 500
overall f = service f + face c + body c + total b 1, 000
friend 13 pupe 2nd time, see photo, age 22, 2 rounds 2 pops. 3-holer, cim (no atm)
total b 1, 405 = lt b 1, 000 + ld b 135 x 3 drinks
overall a = service a + face b + body a + total b 1, 405
21:00 i see friend 21 ning on br and she agrees to st b 600 (originally she wanted b 800 or b 1, 000, can't remember).
04:15 i see friend 22 on ws, she agrees to lt b 1, 500 and staying until 13:00. in my room i do round 1, 2 pops.
06:15 friend 22 says that since i had my 2 pops, she's leaving now. i only give her b 1, 000, and she's pissed and insists on lt b 1, 500. she's about my height but i'm able to kick her out of my room. she calls the cops.
06:30 so 2 bibs (boys in brown, ie thai police) , with friend 22 and her female friend, knock on my hotel room door. i explain my side of the story, that she was only with me 2 hrs so i gave her b 1, 000 but if she stayed with me until 13:00 i would have given her b 1, 500. i was hoping the bibs would mediate and render a fair verdict (b 1, 000 vs b 1, 500) , but they wanted me to work it out with her (basically they said 'up to you'). i offered her another b 200, she says hell no. i cave and offer b 500, she says now she wants total b 3, 000 (instead of b 1, 500) because i had kicked her out of my room and it's all on the hotel cctv / camera. i say nope, hand her the b 500 which she won't take and she lets it drop to the floor. i look at the bibs, shrug, and wait. the bibs tell her in thai (i'm guessing 'take the money so we can all go home') something, she picks up the b 500 and goes to hotel reception. the bibs leave the hotel, i don't know why she's at hotel reception, i go there, she tells me to f%k off and finally leaves. i give my hotel receptionist tip b 20 as an apology for causing a scene.
06:50 friend 13 pupe about not wanting to be alone in her room and if she can come to mine. surprised that she's contacting me out of the blue, i of course agree. once she's in my room while we're talking it turns out she thought i actually worked at happy gg since of the 3 times she had seen me. 2 times i had been wearing a happy gg black polo shirt. now she knows i'm just a tourist.
day 19, mon / 26 aug
friend 13 pupe 3rd time, see photo. 2 rounds 2 pops. 3-holer, cim (no atm)
total b 1, 215 = lt b 1, 000 + ld b 135 + jp bar pool b 40 x 2 games
overall a = service a + face a + body a + total b 1, 215
14:30 not a freebie. so friend 13 pupe leaves my room and i intentionally hadn't given her any money, to see what would happen.
21:00 i'm at gentlemen's club gg, give her tip b 1, 000 for the lt the previous night (well, really earlier that morning / day) , and bought her 3 lds.
00:00 she says she says she wants to go with me again, and i have a hard time saying no to fl'ing her (ie once she was done with work, as i didn't want to pay the bf, which for her was b 1, 000).
day 20, tue / 27 aug
friend 21 ning 2nd and last time, see photo, age 19, br / candyshop fl. 3 rounds 3 pops, no dfk
total b 1, 275 = lt b 1, 200 + motorbike taxi b 50 + magazine b 25
overall a = service b + face b + body a + total b 1, 275
friend 21 ning was reluctant to go with me for lt, especially for lt b 1, 500. after our st previously, she decided i was ok for an lt. the st performance was ok (though she does have a great body) so i wasn't about to pay lt b 1, 500 like i originally offered. she agreed to lt b 1, 200. the sex was so-so, but the gfe was great. she said she could stay with me llt (long long time) if i would take care of her. i asked her how much i would need to give her each day, and she said lt b 1, 000. i wanted to take her up on her offer, but her sex performance was just so half-assed and unenthusiastic. i told her that i won't go with her st / lt any more.
epilogue: she offers me st b 500 but i tell her no more st / lt since the sex is blah. to me she's just a nongsao, but she just wants me to be a customer.
day 21, wed / 28 aug
friend 23, see photo, age 21, has a kid, br fl. 1 round 1 pop, cim
total b 750 = st b 700 + songtaew b 20 + chicken rice b 30
overall a = service a + face c + body c + total b 750
friend 24, see photo, age 23, ibar fl, normally works sensations gg. 1 round 1 pop, cim
total b 650 = st b 500 + ld b 150
overall a = service a + face b + body c + total b 650
day 22, thu / 29 aug
friend 25, see photo, age 30, has 3 kids, insomnia fl. 1 rounds 3 pops, cim
total b 1, 030 = lt b 1, 000 + ibar slushee shot b 30
overall b = service b + face c + body d + total b 1, 030
friend 25 and i met around 05:30 at insomnia and agree to lt b 1, 000. after the fiasco with friend 22, with friend 25 i negotiate for 3 pops. in my room, friend 25 tells me she has to leave at 09:00 to get to work. she says it could still be lt but she'll leave at 09:00, or it could be st, but either way it's b 1, 000. i tell her i can get in my 3 pops, which wasn't easy but i did, ahead of schedule even. at 07:30 i'm done with the 1 round. 3 pops, she leaves and i sleep in peace / alone.
day 23, fri / 30 aug
fri / 30 aug: doctor tells me i have a throat infection.
- 2, 500 baht for the exam, antibiotic shot in the butt and a bunch of medication.
- doc says for 5 days (fri / 30 aug. tue / 3 sep) i must have no alcohol, no ice cream, no cold drinks (suggests warm water). so far i've been good at avoiding ice cream.
(the throat infection was from approx 20 aug – 15 oct, almost 8 lousy weeks. messed up my mongering ability on trip 3).
friend 26 jane doe. 085-665-3934, age 28, br fl. 1 round 1 pop, no longer does anal.
total b 615 = st b 500 + tip b 100 + tip for watermelon fruit b 10 + tip for toilet b 5
overall a = service b + face c + body b + total b 615
friend 26 says her sponsor gives b 15, 000 / mo so she doesn't work mandarin gg any more (because the sponsor would definitely find out) , now has silicone c-cups (which she got because she started working at a gg) , but her rent room & motorbike b 7, 000 / mo + give mom b 10, 000 / mo, so she has to br fl on the sly and won't let me take photos (face or tattoos on her back) as her sponsor might see the pics. says she was offered b 10, 000 for 2 hrs to film a movie with cpt (?) and the guy on viagra, but she declined (2 hrs + him on viagra was too much). before she was a 3-holer and had a perfect body, but now the bolt-ons and no to anal, i won't go with her ever again.
friend 27 ann 1st time, see photo. 086-023-5053, age 22, ibar fl, pop cherry ass, atm, cim
total b 1, 280 = lt b 1, 000 + tip b 100 + slushee shot b 30 + popcorn b 65 + alcohol syringe shot b 95
overall a = service a + face c + body a + total b 1, 280
day 24, sat / 31 aug
friend 13 pupe 4th time, see photo. 2 rounds 2 pops. 3-holer, cim (no atm)
total b 1, 300+ = lt b 1, 300+
overall a = service a + face a + body a + total b 1, 300+
day 25, sun / 1 sep
friend 28 jep, see photo. 086-150-1979, age 35, br fl. 1 round 1 pop
total b 640 = st b 600 + food b 40
overall b = service c + face c + body a + total b 640
friend 29 anny, see photo. 084-462-7054, age 19, ibar fl, normally works pbg bb. 2 rounds 4 pops
total b 1, 250 = lt b 1, 000 + tip b 200 + songtaew b 20 + slushee shot b 30
overall a = service a + face c + body b + total b 1, 250
day 26, mon / 2 sep
friend 27 ann 2nd time, see photo. 086-023-5053, age 22, ibar fl, atm
total b 1, 450 = lt b 1, 000 + tip b 200 + phone top-up money b 80 + slushee shot b 30 + bacardi breezer b 140
overall a = service a + face c + body a + total b 1, 480
day 27, tue / 3 sep
friend 27 ann 3rd time, see photo. 3-holer, atm
total b 1, 710 = lt b 1, 000 + tip b 200 + shisha b 220 + bacardi breezer b 140 + san mig light b 110 + pad thai b 40
overall a = service a + face c + body a + total b 1, 710
day 28, wed / 4 sep
friend 30 ann, see photo, age 26, 087-067-0421, has a kid, br fl, cim
total b 740 = st b 700 + food b 40
overall a = service a + face c + body c + total b 740
friend 31 apple, see photo, age 19, 085-373-4756, ibar fl, normally works bb on naklua's soi 33, pop cherry ass, atm
total b 1, 290 = lt b 1, 000 + tip b 200 + motorbike taxi b 60 + slushee shot b 30
overall a = service a + face c + body c + total b 1, 290
day 29, thu / 5 sep
friend 32 sen, see photo, age 26, has 2 kids, br fl
total b 640 = st b 100 + tip b 500 + food b 40
overall a = service a + face b + body c + total b 640
friend 33 mai, see photo, age 22, 090-820-5653, ibar fl, sometimes works soi 6 miss saigon bb, pop cherry ass, atm
total b 700 = st b 700
overall a = service a + face c + body c + total b 700
day 30, fri / 6 sep
friend 34, see photo, i don't remember anything about this one. wish she had let me take a photo of her front-side so it could jog my memory.
dates mostly unknown:
friend 35, see photo, age 22 (?) , normally works pbg / siren's bb complex, ibar fl,
total b 780 = ld b 130 + st b 500 + ibar drink b 150
overall a = service b + face c + body c + total b 780
friend 35: on my previous trips she wouldn't go with me because i had been with her friend. on this trip i forgot that, bought her a ld and she wouldn't go with me. i see her again at her bb, we exchange numbers and she says she'll go with me but how about midnight. midnight rolls around, she didn't text me (she was expecting me to contact her) so i erroneously assumed she wasn't actually going to go with me. lastly, i see her at ibar, she agrees to st b 500 so i go for it, and it was good so i gave her b 150 to buy herself a drink at ibar.
friend 36, see photo, age 22 (?) , works at a hair salon (?) , ibar fl
total b 910 = st b 700 + ibar drink b 150 + singha beer in my room b 60 (?)
overall b = service b + face c + body b + total b 910
friend 36: met at ibar around 05:00. she wanted lt b 1, 500, i wanted lt b 1, 000, settled on lt b 1, 200. i buy her a ibar beer and her friend an ibar beer. claims to work in a hair salon (?) in bangkok (?) and that her and her friend are vacationing in patts. in my room she further claims that she hadn't had sex in 7 (?) months and that she's really horny, that she had only been with 2 thai guys before and no farangs. if that's true than i'm her first customer, ever. total pocket rocket in bed and screwed my brains out and keeps asking me if it (woman-on-top) is good for me (hell, yeah). her friend calls and needs their room key. friend 36 can't find the key, ask me if i had seen her give it to her friend on outside ibar / ws, so now friend 36 (acts) pissed that she doesn't know where her room key is. friend 36 says she has to go now. she could be lying about the lost room key, but that's a really elaborate story when all she had to say was 'i need give key to my sister. ' instead of lt b 1, 200 i give her st b 700 or b 800, sad that i didn't get any more rounds with her.
friend 37 tauey, age 22 (?) , bf fl, was in a cpt video.
[url]http://www.asianpornforum.com/tag/creampiethais-asianmovieclips/page/4[/url]
total b 1, 000 = st b 800 + for photos b 100 + taxi b 100.
overall a = service c + face c + body c + total b 1, 000.
friend 37 tauey i met on my last night in patts. i was walking br around 22:30 and wasn't planning on getting any fl since i had an appointment with friend 27 ann later that night. i come across friend 37 tauey and recognize her from cpt (creampiethais. com) so ask for st. she wants st b 1, 000, i negotiate down to st b 800. in my room i want photos and she says that's tip b 100, which i agree to. she denies ever being in a porn video, i show her the website video of her and she's none too pleased. the sex was ok (banging body, though). i pay st b 800 + photo / tip b 100 and she asks for taxi money and i give her it b 100. yep, i've gotten soft by the end of this trip.
for my last night friend 27 ann and i met around 01:30 and she was to stay with me until 16:00 for lt b 2, 000. got 4 rounds. 4 pops and then it was off to farangland abstinence for me.
the end.
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Wow this is serious intel Amex, clearly you were in the Army.
I'd say, very well done on the entire campaign. Overpayers take note.
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7 barfines in 2 months. I see it all the time. Half the girls anyplace are just not getting guys to pay consistently for their services. I see some girls stay at a place for years. They can't possibly be making salary. So why do they do it?
At least amex girl has an idea that she just doesn't have what it takes to be a success.
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What would make amex's reports better would be more on interactions between the girls. All his reports are too robotic. They are all the same. His December report will be like this one all he needs to do is change the dates- no one will notice.
Since amex brought it up. $5000 on a month trip to pattay and its not a once in a life time trip. How does he do it? I recall he gave a brief overview of his fanances and I don't remember it included large amounts of wealth.
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[QUOTE=IndianManGood;1487739]What would make amex's reports better would be more on interactions between the girls. All his reports are too robotic. They are all the same. His December report will be like this one all he needs to do is change the dates- no one will notice.[/quote]You try squeezing 40 girls in a report see what comes out? No room for too many details, this is active mongering, not a romance book.
[quote]Since amex brought it up. $5000 on a month trip to pattay and its not a once in a life time trip. How does he do it? I recall he gave a brief overview of his fanances and I don't remember it included large amounts of wealth.[/QUOTE]Maybe you should mind your business? I have an Indian friend that can easily spend $5000 in less than a week. Not everyone is the same and there is no point in quibbling how and how much each one makes his money.
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[QUOTE=IndianManGood; 1487739]What would make amex's reports better would be more on interactions between the girls. All his reports are too robotic. They are all the same. His December report will be like this one all he needs to do is change the dates- no one will notice.
Since amex brought it up. $5000 on a month trip to pattay and its not a once in a life time trip. How does he do it? I recall he gave a brief overview of his fanances and I don't remember it included large amounts of wealth.[/QUOTE]IndianManGood is Harold the troll who later became Streetwalker. The only person I have ever blocked. You will see soon enough the reason.
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Don't spoil it for all of us.
Dude,
Don't spoil the reputation of Indians globally. If you disagree or dislike or disbelieve a report, just ignore and move on. When you act like a sour puss and a Nagger, you are spoiling it for the rest of us when we approach some one here on the forum in future. I found this place quite helpful during my visit due to many such tour reports and member guidance. Take this as a request and not an insult.
Peace
[QUOTE=IndianManGood; 1487739]What would make amex's reports better would be more on interactions between the girls. All his reports are too robotic. They are all the same. His December report will be like this one all he needs to do is change the dates- no one will notice.
Since amex brought it up. $5000 on a month trip to pattay and its not a once in a life time trip. How does he do it? I recall he gave a brief overview of his fanances and I don't remember it included large amounts of wealth.[/QUOTE]
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Beach Road
I took a long stroll down the Beach Road promenade last night from Soi 8 to Walking Street, and to my amazement I found it wider and much better than it was before the construction. There are no benches yet but plenty of room for them to return once all is finished. Only about 100 meters remain under construction where BR meets Walking Street.
The addition of a new lane for traffic has reduced the baht bus bottlenecks and the widening encroaches quite a lot more on the beach chair vendors turf instead of narrowing the promenade.
I also saw lots of freelancers lining the walkway, some of whom were young and cute, so it hasn't ruined the hooker trade.
All things considered, it seems to me that the project was worth the trouble.
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[QUOTE=IndianManGood; 1487739]What would make amex's reports better would be more on interactions between the girls. All his reports are too robotic. They are all the same. His December report will be like this one all he needs to do is change the dates- no one will notice.
Since amex brought it up. $5000 on a month trip to pattay and its not a once in a life time trip. How does he do it? I recall he gave a brief overview of his fanances and I don't remember it included large amounts of wealth.[/QUOTE]Personally you have no idea what you are talking about! Maybe you ought to stop expecting reports like if you were reading Playboy or Penthouse! What would you like instructions and interactions on how a girl should hold you dick and wash it? You should not be asking or citicizing a report which you yourself can't provide in your own reports!
I know the guy first hand w that he goes out of his way to meet a lot of people on ISG and other forum, maybe its the military thing but he isn't shy nor is he picky about the color of people he meets. He is I believe in his Mid-Thirties, very fit, and not shy what so ever and although he speaks little Thai he has a way getting across to the girls and last doesn't even come close to looking his age. The girls tell me he looks like a 21 or 22 years of age.
The few times I have met him for a quick drink or so at places I visit I basically introduce him because he is Asian and so am I that he is my son or nephew jokingly and I can see why the girls he meet would go for nothing or take very little. The guy reminds when I was his age and I ran around Hong Kong and China doing my thing very similar to him. Being Asian, from the USA you are like a magnet? IMHO, living here for a while now with the locals I see and hear things along with my own experience that when they meet someone like me or AMEX, a guy that looks like them minus the langauge a little they feel a lot more comfortable being with them and this is only in general and if they can nap a guy like AMEX, they are half way there meaning they can walk and be with them and not feel or think everyone knows they work the P4P. This is no knock on anyone if they aren't Asian it is just the way I have learn to see it in general.
AMEX, has a good grasp of life and how to spend his money without offending or treating the girls like a piece of meat that is why in my opinion they are drawn to him. Personally, from what I have seen from him his parents should be very proud of him and in many ways I would gladly die today if my own son could be half the man I see in AMEX. Whenever I see him and I have told him many times I have nothing to teach that you don't already know about P4P, what I can give him only is what not to do in life as to what I have experience that you can enjoy yourself try to meet a balance but at your age, pay yourself first and save and invest so when it is time to retired in Thailand or wherever you can have a even better time than he is having now!
His latest report should be in the Report of Distinction.
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Anyways. I'm just saying the reports are just as hard to read as Kumbus used to be. Just making an observation.
I take Amex as a serious guy. HAHA! But seriousneess goes out the window when he comments about buying a BAR. It shows he isn't all there!
Please anyone who wants his son to grow up and behave like amex is a comedyian. A long time unemployed guy who is doing the Pattaya thing. He is in the prime of his life. He is surely wasting whatever talent god gave him by hanging around with hookers. Young guys should be conquering the world not boning Pattaya bar girls!
I'm afraid he is going to become what you don't want him to become. He is going to be an old broke dude! The older you get the harder it is to make money. Ask the girls.
I've seen Amex photo I'd be surprised if it really were true girls were just naturally attracted to him. I mean they are prostitutes and he does pay! He admittedly goes for very mediocre faces which explains the cheap prices he gets.
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[QUOTE=NeverJerkOff;1487960]IndianManGood is Harold the troll who later became Streetwalker. The only person I have ever blocked. You will see soon enough the reason.[/QUOTE]I don't think is the same person. By the way and take no offense, but even your reports come across with a certain attitude and insistence on certain stuff that one can like or dislike.
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[QUOTE=Fun In Mumbai; 1487980]Dude,
Don't spoil the reputation of Indians globally. If you disagree or dislike or disbelieve a report, just ignore and move on. When you act like a sour puss and a Nagger, you are spoiling it for the rest of us when we approach some one here on the forum in future. I found this place quite helpful during my visit due to many such tour reports and member guidance. Take this as a request and not an insult.
Peace[/QUOTE]Bet he's not even Indian but some former ISG member just trolling along as he winds up the board. Watch how fast these types disappear once no one gives then the attention they're looking for.
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[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1488022]Being Asian, from the USA you are like a magnet? IMHO, living here for a while now with the locals I see and hear things along with my own experience that when they meet someone like me or AMEX, a guy that looks like them minus the langauge a little they feel a lot more comfortable being with them and this is only in general and if they can nap a guy like AMEX, they are half way there meaning they can walk and be with them and not feel or think everyone knows they work the P4P.
Whenever I see him and I have told him many times I have nothing to teach that you don't already know about P4P, what I can give him only is what not to do in life as to what I have experience that you can enjoy yourself try to meet a balance but at your age, pay yourself first and save and invest so when it is time to retired in Thailand or wherever you can have a even better time than he is having now!
His latest report should be in the Report of Distinction.[/QUOTE]I know you mean well. But you are funny and you don't know it.
1. We all know Asians are favorite customers. But an Indian can be a magnet too-magnets are personality based not race based.
2. All said and done. Customers are customers. Amex doesn't do much repeats so whats the big deal. A girl is going to lose interest quickly if guy not interested no matter how much of a magnet one is.
3. I want to hear reports how amex is attracting non hookers as he walks thru shopping malls. I want reports how girls are throwing their panties at him as if he were a rock star. Then you got something.
4. If Amex were my son I'd slap him on the head and tell him NO inheritance if you set foot in Thailand ever again before age 65. HAHA!
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[QUOTE=Marcos;1488039]I don't think is the same person. By the way and take no offense, but even your reports come across with a certain attitude and insistence on certain stuff that one can like or dislike.[/QUOTE]Work on your evaluation skills. Rapid fired posting in Bangkok and Thailand with mention of Rainbow. It's Harold without the LOL's.
Seeing most guys want to talk about testosterone or just hate on someone I think my posts have been among the most informative and entertaining. I gloat a little (could a lot more) for the haters and they definitely don't cater to guy's insecurities.
To keep up with that, I'll just say from what I am seeing guys are still paying too much for women, transportation, hotels and probably everything else. If you have the time look around. The same exact thing in this country can be offered at 50 different locations with 50 different prices.
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[QUOTE=IndianManGood; 1488033]Anyways. I'm just saying the reports are just as hard to read as Kumbus used to be. Just making an observation.
I take Amex as a serious guy. HAHA! But seriousneess goes out the window when he comments about buying a BAR. It shows he isn't all there!
Please anyone who wants his son to grow up and behave like amex is a comedyian. A long time unemployed guy who is doing the Pattaya thing. He is in the prime of his life. He is surely wasting whatever talent god gave him by hanging around with hookers. Young guys should be conquering the world not boning Pattaya bar girls!
I'm afraid he is going to become what you don't want him to become. He is going to be an old broke dude! The older you get the harder it is to make money. Ask the girls.
I've seen Amex photo I'd be surprised if it really were true girls were just naturally attracted to him. I mean they are prostitutes and he does pay! He admittedly goes for very mediocre faces which explains the cheap prices he gets.[/QUOTE]Personally, I don't care what is done from Harold to Indian now if he is a troll he still get a answer from me. As I noted whoever you are when you decide to provide this board or any board with information other than what you have now provided you yourself won't be taken serious HAHA! And if you don't want to read long reports like Kumbu and Amex, no one is making you so whenever you see their names just skip it is as simple as that.
As for being a comedyian, I think if anyone is that it is you! To judge someone or anyone when you should ask yourself what are you doing on this board? If anyone is a joke it is you and your point of view which basically doesn't hold water whatsoever and I'm pretty sure if your dad knew what you were doing he would think you are a big failure and a joke. We are all here to monger but does that mean we are all outcast in life? Look around the world you have world leaders etc. who are doing what we are doing or wish they could! does that make us all criminals. There are guys who come with their dads etc. Does that mean if one mongers he is a bum, a person without honesty and character? Look in the mirror when you start to judge others in life!
Whether he pays or not I can safely say if you were with him at IBar Insomia you would come out % the loser in personalility and even a p4p would see that in you and given a equal proposal I put a bet on him everytime without hesitation but someone like you would most likely feel is better by overpaying to get what you want. Sure he is young full of cum and I will be the first to tell you I don't know 100% his money situation so as I noted I don't talk to try to teach him about Mongering I provide him with enjoy themself but don't forget about the future.
You are right as for owning a bar, they are dime a dozen and dime a dozen to be sold to another sucker here in Pattaya. I tell people if you got to buy a bar why when you can open your own for less. If you want a bar you better have money to blow that you never miss otherwise just visit someone elses problems. In time he might get it out of his system but he is enjoying his youth just as you are now or were doing when you were his age. And it doesn't seem you have conquer a damn thing except make a ass out of yourself on this board by criticizing others on a personal level when you should just stick to the report whether you like them or not.
If it is true that your were Harold444 and changing your handle is going to change your reputation as being a Troll you are sadly mistaken you are nothing but a coward who is hiding behind the Internet.
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Another negative telltale
This one may seem obvious, but had never happened to me before. Girl with extreme dental braces will not give BJ at all, "pain too much". To be honest she has a serious case of bad teeth but hey lips play a part in sucking cock, at least from my dick perspective. Tried some backdoor action, that did not worked much better either. OK face, body and attitude, that doesn't change having basically wasted 800 Bt.
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[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1488022]Personally you have no idea what you are talking about! Maybe you ought to stop expecting reports like if you were reading Playboy or Penthouse! What would you like instructions and interactions on how a girl should hold you dick and wash it? You should not be asking or citicizing a report which you yourself can't provide in your own reports!
His latest report should be in the Report of Distinction.[/QUOTE]I completely agree. AMEX is a good guy and his reports are very detailed. He is someone I would share drinks with as well as Skogis. His reports take time and effort and I applaud his contributions to the forum. He is not one to just criticize like others do.
Kudos AMEX
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Hi fellas.
I stayed 2 days in Bangkok and 4 days in Pattaya. It was my first trip to Tailand. Before, I many times visited Ukraine and Russia for mongering. After I see Thailand, especially Pattaya, I understand what the monger travel is.
Lets start my trip report:
Shortly, in Bangkok great area but very big traffic and for GFE I believe nana plaza best. Soi cowboy and patpong mostly surrounded gogo clubs, not beer bars or I couldn't see because only 2 days I stayed. I visited Annes and Tulip, both great. Unfortunately no photo about Bangkok.
And lets jump to Pattaya. It is a paradise! In my Thailand trip, in six days, I had 14 girls! 3 of them in Bangkok.
First day in Pattaya, went to WS, after several gogo, about 2100, I went in peppermint and took this chick. She was 21, very GFE. Short time. Barfine 700 baht and 2000 for girl.
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Next day, I decided to blowjob bar, it is Bliss lounge, just upper of LK Metro and opposite of XYZ disco. Had a coffe, redbull. And for 700 baht, I bought a blowjob on upstairs. I understood why there are these special bars, because they specialized on blowjobs. There were 6 girls outside, I chose her. She knew how to blow. And a lady drink for her. Total damage was 950 baht or something so, I left rest of money as tip. She and all other girls were in schoolgirl costume and I liked!
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After that, I went a escort agency, it is devils dent in lk metro. I told I want a girl she make anal. Manager showed me which girls make anal and I chose this chick. She was 21 years old. 2 hours was 3000 baht and 80 baht for taxi. We came to my hotel together, she made anal really, 2 popped, cim included.
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Same night, I went gogo clubs for some action. There are hard lesbi shows on whatsapp, windwill and sugar baby. Also iron was good. I decided to pick up a gem from sugar baby. She was 18 years old, I checked her ID. Long time. 3000 for girl. 1500 for barfine. She absolutely needed epilation for legs. Also she was very shy in bad, almost didn't know or didn't want to make blowjob. Cif and cim allowed. I was drunk and had sex without condom. Hope all ok. She was not good for sex but very good GFE.
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I was walking about 0300 at night. Half drunk. I saw this girl in beer bar. Around Soi 11. I didn't want go hotel alone and start conversation with her. Bought a lady drink, very charm and lovely girl. I decided to take her. The guy asked me 600 baht for barfine, it was too much, but I said ok. Also 2000 for girl. I asked her to show me nice places in Pattaya tomorrow. So we agreed on long time. We went hotel together. Very decent sex, she was very very passive and almost stay without doing someting. Cif and cim allowed. Sex I didn't like. But very GFE. We visited all good places in Pattaya together. I liked her although bad sex.
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Next day I decided to another blowjob bar, lollipops. Just little up from lk metro. I chose her around 4 girls. It was 1200. There were 4 girls. One of them was fat. 2 girls other guy. And she was only chance. She made her job good. 700 baht. She told me to not forget me. LOL.
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It was my last day and I went out from hotel to go soi 6. But I saw a stunned girl or she stunned me with her red costume. She was in soi 7, in a beer bar. Paid 600 baht bar fine, because she was ready for show but I took her away. Also 1000 baht for her, it was short time. 90 minute, only one time allowed. Cif ok, but no cim.
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Finally I was in Soi 6. Many women around and they screaming for cum (and some baht). I saw this chick a club opposite of 69. She was 19 yo. Very very slim, pretty girl. I bough a lady drink for her, then I wanted to go upstairs. I paid 300 baht for room and 1000 baht for her. 1 hour. Later in bar we spent some time in my lap. Bar owner gifted me a absinite shot. I said thanks, drink and went. She was one of the best. During sex, she prayed me with broken english "slowliiii slowliii" , but i didnt listen her. It was amazing .
After her, I went pump station for another blowjob. There was only one girl and eating something. I wanted a blowjob. Gave 700 baht. She warned me about she ate spicy and condomed BJ. I said no. She started to suck. Then I understand what she said. My penis was burning. I stopped the session. Asked to give me handjob. I popped and went hotel. I couldnt take photo of girl in pump station because my penis was burning.
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[quote=kiev freak;1488280]next day i decided to another blowjob bar, lollipops. just little up from lk metro. i chose her around 4 girls. it was 1200. there were 4 girls. one of them was fat. 2 girls other guy. and she was only chance. she made her job good. 700 baht. she told me to not forget me. lol.[/quote]for those keeping score, the bj bar is [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url]. lollipop is in bangkok.
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yes you are right. i also went lollipop in nana plaza. it was [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] in pattaya really.
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Way to Go Kiev Freak!
I really enjoyed your short, shoot straight from the hip, no excess fat, field reports. The pictures were a great addition. I think your Peppermint girl and your Soi 7 Beer Bar girl in red were real standouts. I am glad you had a great time.
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[QUOTE=Kiev Freak;1488285]I wanted a blowjob. Gave 700 baht. She warned me about she ate spicy and condomed BJ. I said no. She started to suck. Then I understand what she said. My penis was burning. I stopped the session. .[/QUOTE]WTF, a girl in BJ place eating spicy?
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My first BJ bar
[QUOTE=BionicMan;1488348]WTF, a girl in BJ place eating spicy?[/QUOTE]Was my friend you on soi 6. That girl was hotter then the rest of the BJ bar girls around but my dick paid the price. She must have just eaten her tom yung goon soup. Fuck I was burning for a while after.
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Girl or LB?
[QUOTE=Kiev Freak;1488263]After that, I went a escort agency, it is devils dent in lk metro. I told I want a girl she make anal. Manager showed me which girls make anal and I chose this chick. She was 21 years old. 2 hours was 3000 baht and 80 baht for taxi. We came to my hotel together, she made anal really, 2 popped, cim included.[/QUOTE]I'm not so sure what are your thoughts guys?
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[QUOTE=Nclpimp;1488360]Was my friend you on soi 6. That girl was hotter then the rest of the BJ bar girls around but my dick paid the price. She must have just eaten her tom yung goon soup. Fuck I was burning for a while after.[/QUOTE]Too bad we live in a time when protected sex is a must. In a different time, had she done that to me, I would have told her I want sex now and I would have returned the happiness she gave to you. I would love to see the look on her face. In any case, no permanent harm done. You had a good time and even though it burned you have a story to tell. I don't know any of my friends who can say their dick got burned getting a blowjob from a spicy Thai girl. Good for you.
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[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo; 1488294]Way to Go Kiev Freak!
I really enjoyed your short, shoot straight from the hip, no excess fat, field reports. The pictures were a great addition. I think your Peppermint girl and your Soi 7 Beer Bar girl in red were real standouts. I am glad you had a great time.[/QUOTE]Yes me to I enjoyed it to.
I do the same from one place to the next place.
Love to see photos with there tits out next time.
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[QUOTE=Nclpimp;1488360]Was my friend you on soi 6. That girl was hotter then the rest of the BJ bar girls around but my dick paid the price. She must have just eaten her tom yung goon soup. Fuck I was burning for a while after.[/QUOTE]Feeling sorry for you!
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Seriously, because of people like you still exist that Indians have really no respect anywhere in the world. Thailand forum is filled with lot of info. And the people are so helpful over here. What more do you need? Unlike here in Indian forum one need to go and beg for contacts. And information are encrypted in code languages. Here contacts and info are shared freely. If you have a problem with people visiting Thailand and Thailand girls. Why don't you go back and rot in India. You know how hard is to hook with a hot foreigner in clubs and disc. And because of people like you make it even harder for us. Why is your butt itches when somone spend $5000 for mongering. You have only one life to live. Only Indians like you keep finding fault. I know a lot many like you in the Indian forum. Why don't you use your fantastic brain to get laid. And pass uselful information to the new bees than finding fault in someone s FR. And spamming this forum. Or else go back and rot in India or Ps.
I apolagize if any Indians got offended. I couldn't help it. I apolagize and am not here to fight with anybody. I'm just having a good time in Thailand. Because my country is still 100 years behind. Thailand is an amazing place filled with amzing people and friendly foreigners. Now I know why Indians are not allowed in same bars in Thailand. Thanks to people like you. All my hard earned money are well spend in Thailand. Thank you Thailand, ISG and ISG forum member!
Peace!
Happy mongering!
[QUOTE=IndianManGood; 1487739]What would make amex's reports better would be more on interactions between the girls. All his reports are too robotic. They are all the same. His December report will be like this one all he needs to do is change the dates- no one will notice.
Since amex brought it up. $5000 on a month trip to pattay and its not a once in a life time trip. How does he do it? I recall he gave a brief overview of his fanances and I don't remember it included large amounts of wealth.[/QUOTE]
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Mourning didn't last
It's almost back to normal today. Go-go are semi open and might restart at any moment. Other places playng less louder than usual and that's it. Soy six in full swing.
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[QUOTE=Marcos; 1487857]You try squeezing 40 girls in a report see what comes out? No room for too many details, this is active mongering, not a romance book.
Maybe you should mind your business? I have an Indian friend that can easily spend $5000 in less than a week. Not everyone is the same and there is no point in quibbling how and how much each one makes his money.[/QUOTE]Fully agreeing. Someone here is looking for the juicy details as play with his five sisters.
And how one decides to allo this own finances is nobody's business, as well as having knowledge of the money can or cannot have.
FFS is someone her checking the wallet of the poster?
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IAmRamesh86.
I can see your point but this IndianManGood no one takes seriously as he is only trolling and did so under a lot of nicks. I know indian people have a way to go to earn certain respect (in general) so just work on that domesticaly. This guy aint for sure destroying anything as no one care about his writings from his mothers basement. Beeing for some years now I believe he is soon to get his license.
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Couple of days before I was in Jomtien. At 2:00 pm it started raining cats and dogs for couple of hours. As a result Jomtien Beach Road gone under water. See the pictures in evening.
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Water Quality
[QUOTE=Mua Tur;1488828]Couple of days before I was in Jomtien. At 2.00 pm it started raining cats and dogs for couple of hours. As a result Jomtien beach road gone under water. See the pictures in evening.[/QUOTE]What does that much runoff do to the water quality at the beaches?
Slim
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Pattaya Fireworks Festival
Just information for those who maybe visiting Pattaya over 29/30 November. There is a two day 'International Fireworks Festival' that has various countries competing against each other. I was there last year and will be there this year. If my memory serves me right the barge used as the platform is anchored in Pattaya Bay off the vicinity of Central Festival. I was (and again) am in View Talay 6 and it was a great sight to see. And yes it was crowded as all get out. Just FYI.
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Pattaya Trip Report. July 2013
Bit late in coming, but better late than never.
Jakarta to Pattaya.
Jakarta to Bangkok flight with Air Asia was delayed so not arrive in Pattaya till gone midnight and I was exhausted. Shared a taxi from Bangkok to Pattaya with an Aussie I had met the night before in Top Gun Blok M. Checked into the Bayview Residence right on Beach road, not far down from Walking Street. Lovely hotel, quite a few Arabs staying there though. I not venture out that night, too tired, I just fell asleep.
Pattaya Waitress.
The next day I decide to have some dinner in a seafood restaurant along Walking Street, an Indian looking waitress asks me where is my girlfriend? I tell her not have one, you want to be my girlfriend, She replied yes and gave me her phone number and told me to meet her outside the restaurant at 11pm. She not bad looking, lovely smile, super friendly.
I do a gogo crawl that first night out in Pattaya down Walking street. I notice one really cute stunner in Heavens Above, but could not get a look in as she was very popular with the punters, I make a mental note to return another day when its less busy.
Not really see any other nice girls so return to meet the waitress from the restaurant, and she is waiting outside for me, take her for some drinks and play some pool. We get on well, she originally from Burma, come down from Chan Mai to work in Pattaya.
She come back to hotel with me and stays the night. The next morning walk her back to Walking Street and slip her 1000 baht gift and promise to come and meet her another night. Which I don't.
She was a bit old for me even though I am 15 years older than her.
Soi 7 Bar Girl.
The next evening I head down to the beer bars of Soi 7. Its looking very quiet, even for low season. I sit at one of the first beer bars, not because I had seen a nice girl just wanted a beer and a rest. Then out of no where a cute bar girl joins me, just my type.
She is a nice girl, we settle on 1500 baht short time, pay 300 baht bar fine then jump on a baht bus back to Bayview residence. No problem taking the girl to my room, Bayview Residence is girl friendly, don't need to check them in. But lots of normal tourists.
Around this area looking at my catch. She was a lovely girl, giving a full on girlfriend experience.
Coyote Dancer.
The next night I do a few more gogos down walking street, a few I had not been in the night before, quality of the girls is overall low. Not seen it this bad before. I remember complaining the girls were too skinny now a lot are fatties.
I head back into Heavens Above around 9pm and that girl is on stage the one I had my eye on the night before I tell the waitress I would like to talk to her. I buy her a lady drink, then it transpires she is only a coyote dancer. I should have realised this, if you now see a hot girl she dances only. Its not always obvious who is gogo and who is coyote, you should enquire before investing any time or expenses on lady drinks.
Later I notice a really cute girl working in a massage parlour along walking street, not my night, she was not offering any extras, massage only, privates covered.
Devils Den.
The next afternoon, I try something different and head to Devils Den tightly packed within Soi LK Metro. Manager explains the setup to me, have to take two girls for a threesome, all girls work well together and all do CIM, only some do anal and stand a particular side of the infamous yellow line, I was not here for anal. Only half a dozen girls to choose from. But a couple I did like, looked real slutty. So they take me to the room and we have a shower together. On the bed they give me a blowjob together, not bad, but not brilliant. They wanted full sex but I was feeling selfish and just had the blowjob until completion. I don't really see the point in a threesome, when you have to keep changing condoms.
Afterwards to make up the time they gave me a lack lustre massage. Total fee was 3600 baht.
That night enjoy the gogos down Soi LK Metro, one girl was nice, but as I had already cum she was not interested in doing long time. Would have been nice to wake up with her in the morning, like the good old days.
Soi 6.
The next evening I head down seedy Soi 6. Things really get busy down Soi 6 around 4pm. I walk the complete stretch of Soi 6 from second road to beach road, keeping my eyes left hand side. Not see anything I like, so start the walk back up the other side.
Second bar I see a really cute 19 yo, she wants a 1000 baht short time and 300 bar fine. So upstairs we go to one of the rooms. Good session with her, can't complain. A lot of the girls will only charge 700 baht, the better looking ones more though.
After Soi 6, head down to Soi 2, very quiet some of the beer bars have been demolished. I head up to Drinking street. Loads of girls not many mongers. One nice looking girl 28yo wants to do long time, will massage me all night for 2000 baht. Not a bad offer, but was feeling relieved now. Head down to Soi 7 and try the gogos down there. Just more fuglies.
African Girl.
My last night in Pattaya and first I try the Honey 1 body massage up Soi 11, a couple of cute girls in the models lounge, here the girls are younger, no kids, a couple looked like genuine student types but not once did they look up from their mobiles phones at me, so I left them to it. The girls in the model lounge go for 3000 baht for 90 minutes. There were much more mature MILF types in the fish-bowl, overweight most of them, tight dresses, tons of makeup, mutton dressed up as lamb, they go from 2500 to 2000.
I left there and headed back towards Walking street.
This time I would try the Russian disco Mixx, was a little early, intelligence was there was a Japanese pimp working there, dressed in black, wearing sun glasses, set you up with cute Russian girls. Could not find anyone fitting this description, no obvious freelancers. Headed back down Walking street and saw a bunch of African girls sat at a bar. Sat next to one who looked nice. 23yo from Ethiopia. She wanted 2000 baht short time. I say 1500, she would not budge. I say 'compromise'.
She liked this word and come back with 1600, deal was struck, no barfine to pay so took her back to the hotel for a good session.
Conclusion.
Pattaya is changing, it notices when you only go every 3 years or so. Tourist numbers are up mostly from the BRIC nations (excluding Brazil) sex tourism is down. The quality of the girls working in the gogo clubs is the worst I have ever seen.
If they look hot then they are probably just coyote dancers. Prices were no cheaper for low season. Beach is looking alot cleaner. Some places still have the old spirit like soi 6 and soi LK Metro.
Even so there are still some gems to be found in the smoothing over and it still beats a night out back home by miles, For how much longer though I don't know.
Next trip to Asia may leave out Pattaya and return to Cambodia and the Philippines.
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[QUOTE=SirMarjAlot;1489827]Bit late in coming, but better late than never.[/QUOTE]Ahahah! Timing is not all. I think you are right on all accounts. I have few stories too, but also need some "writer's maturing time".
[quote]Tourist numbers are up mostly from the BRIC nations (excluding Brazil) sex tourism is down.[/quote]I have friended two guys from Brazil! Really nice guys, they came for Muai Thai traning and both won their respective matches with impressing performance. With one of them I did a great threesome with a ladiy from Walking Street pub, that I've reported. She was grinning ear to ear when walking hand-in-had with us :) The other guy was addict to religion and I couldn't help.
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[QUOTE=Marcos;1490243]Ahahah! Timing is not all. I think you are right on all accounts. I have few stories too, but need some "writer's maturing time".[/QUOTE]Thanks, yes you are right, it needs time to sink, to be absorbed so you can come up with some conclusions. Look forward to reading your stories too.
A few months don't matter much, with Pattaya changing so fast now, if I posted July last year, probably would be different now.
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[QUOTE=SirMarjAlot; 1489827]Conclusion.
Pattaya is changing, it notices when you only go every 3 years or so. Tourist numbers are up mostly from the BRIC nations (excluding Brazil) sex tourism is down. The quality of the girls working in the gogo clubs is the worst I have ever seen.
If they look hot then they are probably just coyote dancers. Prices were no cheaper for low season. Beach is looking alot cleaner. Some places still have the old spirit like soi 6 and soi LK Metro.
Even so there are still some gems to be found in the smoothing over and it still beats a night out back home by miles, For how much longer though I don't know.[/QUOTE]I agree. I remember when 1500 baht was for LT (sigh). They still need to address the rodent problem on the beach road. It's just nasty to have rats running around your feet at night. For me the shine is wearing off the Pattaya coin. Same hardcore barflys for the most part. You find a stunner every now and then, but they seem to want their ass kissed a bit more these days. Had a long talk with a friend that's lived here 3 years. He can't find a decent GF. He hears same shyt. Where you from, what your name? Like talking with idiots. No wonder CIS bring their own women. Some many condos going up, with the worst construction quality I have ever seen. Think it will be at least year and half before I get back.
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[QUOTE=Marcos;1490243]I have friended two guys from Brazil![/QUOTE][QUOTE=Marcos;1490243]With one of them I did a great threesome with a ladiy from Walking Street pub, that I've reported. She was grinning ear to ear when walking hand-in-had with us :)[/QUOTE]Say what now? Yikes.
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[QUOTE=SirMarjAlot;1489827]Next trip to Asia may leave out Pattaya and return to Cambodia and the Philippines.[/QUOTE]An interesting trip report Sir. It sounds like you still had a pretty good time even though it might not have been as good as previous times. Let's see: you picked up a Burmese waitress in a restaurant, Check; you had a Devil's Den session with Lexi, Check; and you made it with an Ethiopian FL of all things, Check. Hey, that's not too shabby if you ask me. Now I don't know how or why you didn't spot any quality talent in the Walking Street Go Go's other than one or two girls in Heaven's Above. I always find great girls in Airforce, What's up, Happy, Sapphire, and Supergirl to name just a few of my regular joints. Guess it wasn't your fate to do the Go Go scene this time out.
Now I have always preferred BKK over Pattaya. I find there is more to do and a much more varied nightlife in BKK. Also, BKK girls seem more attractive IMHO, but I have always had good times in Pattaya too. I was last there in March and I had as good a time as I have ever had. I just don't let the bull shit, like the influx of Russian couples, Arabs, and coyote dancers bother me. If I let that stuff bother me, I guess I would stop going to Pat.
I think the key to having a great time in Pat is to stay only 4 or 5 days, a week tops, to make a list of all the places I want to hit beforehand, and to get in party mode as soon as I arrive. Pattaya is a resort town. I always drink more, barhop more, and stay up later in Pat than in BKK. In any case I think Pat is still good. I don't compare it to 2002, the first time I went there. 2002 is long gone. My suggestion to you is take your own advice and visit AC, Subic, and Phnom Penh. As you know, those scenes are very different from that in BKK or Pat and I think the change will do you good.
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[QUOTE=Naked Gunz;1490246]I agree. I remember when 1500 baht was for LT (sigh). They still need to address the rodent problem on the beach road. It's just nasty to have rats running around your feet at night. For me the shine is wearing off the Pattaya coin. Same hardcore barflys for the most part. You find a stunner every now and then, but they seem to want their ass kissed a bit more these days. Had a long talk with a friend that's lived here 3 years. He can't find a decent GF. He hears same shyt. Where you from, what your name? Like talking with idiots. No wonder CIS bring their own women. Some many condos going up, with the worst construction quality I have ever seen. Think it will be at least year and half before I get back.[/QUOTE]Yes, those were the days.
Funny you mention the quality of girls. My GF has to travel to Chonburi often on business. She mentioned, just a couple of days ago, how low-class the bar girls were these days.
I remember years ago actually having intelligent conversations with beer bar girls in Pattaya, including world events. My last trip to a beer bar (which was probably my last trip, period) I chatted up an older girl with a sweet personality. She'd obviously been working bars for quite some time, yet it was just as you described."Where you flom, what you name?" Like talking with idiots, indeed. I fled the scene and never looked back.
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[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo; 1490370]An interesting trip report Sir. It sounds like you still had a pretty good time even though it might not have been as good as previous times. Let's see: you picked up a Burmese waitress in a restaurant, Check; you had a Devil's Den session with Lexi, Check; and you made it with an Ethiopian FL of all things, Check. Hey, that's not too shabby if you ask me. Now I don't know how or why you didn't spot any quality talent in the Walking Street Go Go's other than one or two girls in Heaven's Above. I always find great girls in Airforce, What's up, Happy, Sapphire, and Supergirl to name just a few of my regular joints. Guess it wasn't your fate to do the Go Go scene this time out.
Now I have always preferred BKK over Pattaya. I find there is more to do and a much more varied nightlife in BKK. Also, BKK girls seem more attractive IMHO, but I have always had good times in Pattaya too. I was last there in March and I had as good a time as I have ever had. I just don't let the bull shit, like the influx of Russian couples, Arabs, and coyote dancers bother me. If I let that stuff bother me, I guess I would stop going to Pat.
I think the key to having a great time in Pat is to stay only 4 or 5 days, a week tops, to make a list of all the places I want to hit beforehand, and to get in party mode as soon as I arrive. Pattaya is a resort town. I always drink more, barhop more, and stay up later in Pat than in BKK. In any case I think Pat is still good. I don't compare it to 2002, the first time I went there. 2002 is long gone. My suggestion to you is take your own advice and visit AC, Subic, and Phnom Penh. As you know, those scenes are very different from that in BKK or Pat and I think the change will do you good.[/QUOTE]Yes I still had a good time, I guess I am always comparing it to years gone by, rose tinted glasses you might say. I guess we do have to get accustomed now to all the Chinese, Indian and Russians now. And I have been too many times over the past 10 years I do try different places but always come back.
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[QUOTE=Phordphan;1490497]I remember years ago actually having intelligent conversations with beer bar girls in Pattaya, including world events.[/QUOTE]May be, simply a consequence of improvement of economy in Thailand. Now, the smart or educated girls do not need to work in beer bars any more (so badly).
I remember my golden times in RF, end of 90'es.
Then I had also a Ph. D. (medicine) as a playmate at that time. Because she told me, her small regular salary (60$/month) was already overdue for a few months.
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Small town
I don't know if you have ever noticed how the bigger a city is, the more you keep running into people.
Yesterday night I had finally ditched Slimpadded for a new lady that I want to consider a gem. Not later that 1 hour ago, as I went shopping at the big beauty shop with the new receiver, Slimpadded walks in, situation smiling as she realized I was with somebody else. She had said four times in a week that she was going home the following day to prepare her trip to Europe. Yeah right Buddha knows what is real and what is not here, sometime I think I'm an invention myself too.
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Fireworks Festival
[QUOTE]Just information for those who maybe visiting Pattaya over 29/30 November. There is a two day 'International Fireworks Festival' that has various countries competing against each other. The barge used as the platform is anchored in Pattaya Bay off the vicinity of Central Festival.[/QUOTE]Here are some photos from the 2011 competition, shot from the roof of the Page 10 Hotel. It's a pretty neat show. Just remember that there is a few minutes of quiet time between each team's exhibition. So don't leave after the first one finishes!
Bunky
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Sweet lady and good looking.
i'm not pimping her, but just think that she deserves a genteman's attention.
mrs j is 32, but looks like 23 and i'm not joking. tonic, firm and shaped body, fantiastic breast with grapefruit size consistency, out of this world. butts to die for. face perhaps a just little plain, but lovely anyway. soft dark honey skin, manicured hand and feets. she's not an hard hooker at all just had a change of fortune for which she moved to pattaya.
great manners, intelliigent and good english, always smiling, always positive. a gem for the long term, and happy with 1, 500 bt to stay all day and night.
she's not a tiger in bed, no anal but very sweet and always giving the full gf experience. but for my own reasons, i can't really engage with her or any other lady.
contact shared with selected members only.
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Can't answer more
[QUOTE=Marcos; 1491687]I'm not pimping her, but just think that she deserves a genteman's attention.[/QUOTE]Got few inquiries to which I'll reply ASAP. Please ignore the posting now, as I won't be able to respond any further.
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Big / chubby / plump Girls
Hello Fellow Punters:
I am wondering where I can find some of the larger working girls in Pattaya. I know where the area is in Bangkok but have yet to figure out where the area is in Pattaya. The coconut bar has some but that is hit or miss. There must be an area where these girls tend to hang out. I am told that Arab men tend to like them bigger. This might be a clue but I don't know where the Arab clubs or bars are either. Appreciate anyone who could help. Thanks!
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[QUOTE=JohnnieBravo; 1492241]Hello Fellow Punters:
I am wondering where I can find some of the larger working girls in Pattaya. I know where the area is in Bangkok but have yet to figure out where the area is in Pattaya. The coconut bar has some but that is hit or miss. There must be an area where these girls tend to hang out. I am told that Arab men tend to like them bigger. This might be a clue but I don't know where the Arab clubs or bars are either. Appreciate anyone who could help. Thanks![/QUOTE]On 2nd road and 16, that taken from Walking Street is the last exit before the long walk to the pier. Big bar complex with unbearably loud music at night. However being things now they way they are, the type you described is common anywhere.
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Amusing story
Thought you guys might like this.
Did my first load of washing since getting back from overseas. Machine in my complex is broken so taken to an outside laundromat. Get my clothes back next day in a big bag, going through putting stuff away and a pair of black panties falls out!
Somewhere in Pattaya, a girl is missing a pair of panties, though I'm sure she's not the only one!
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Big
[QUOTE=JohnnieBravo; 1492241]Hello Fellow Punters:
I am wondering where I can find some of the larger working girls in Pattaya. I know where the area is in Bangkok but have yet to figure out where the area is in Pattaya. The coconut bar has some but that is hit or miss. There must be an area where these girls tend to hang out. I am told that Arab men tend to like them bigger. This might be a clue but I don't know where the Arab clubs or bars are either. Appreciate anyone who could help. Thanks![/QUOTE]I am no expert since I like them small but you might want to try Tony's on walking street. East side-lots of Arabs
There and Indians and chubby girls, time I went. A funny place to check out anyway even if you're not partaking.
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[quote=marcos; 1491687]i'm not pimping her, but just think that she deserves a genteman's attention.
mrs j is 32, but looks like 23 and i'm not joking. tonic, firm and shaped body, fantiastic breast with grapefruit size consistency, out of this world. butts to die for. face perhaps a just little plain, but lovely anyway. soft dark honey skin, manicured hand and feets. she's not an hard hooker at all just had a change of fortune for which she moved to pattaya.
great manners, intelliigent and good english, always smiling, always positive. a gem for the long term, and happy with 1, 500 bt to stay all day and night.
she's not a tiger in bed, no anal but very sweet and always giving the full gf experience. but for my own reasons, i can't really engage with her or any other lady.
contact shared with selected members only.[/quote]hello marcos,
can you please help me with the contact of mrs j as i am in pattaya next month and would like to experience the buts to die for.
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[QUOTE=Marcos;1491687]A gem for the long term, and happy with 1, 500 Bt to stay all day and night.[/QUOTE]Was in Pattaya in Sept, picked up a dancer (so a better looking girl) from a beer bar for my trip to Phuket, Krabi, Phi Phi etc, for 10 days in summary.
She was really 23, cute. Damage: 1300BHT / day. Plus expenses, like food, travel costs etc., of course.
Anyway, your offer does not really sound like a good one.
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[QUOTE=Reiner Otto; 1492601]Anyway, your offer does not really sound like a good one.[/QUOTE]First of all, there is no offer. I'm not sharing the contact as she did not wanted after all. And you have no reason to say "not a good one", so just report on what you have done, do not compare to things that you have not experienced. Unless you are talking on the basis of $7 difference, now that would be pitiful.
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No.
[QUOTE=Marcos;1492707]And you have no reason to say "not a good one", so just report on what you have done, do not compare to things that you have not experienced. Unless you are talking on the basis of $7 difference, now that would be pitiful.[/QUOTE]Pityful, you did not care about:
She was really 23, .
Usually, when people go onto the market, they buy fresh stuff.
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Hello all,
Mid 40's and reasonably fit bave a 30 day trip to Thailand coming up 18th November 2013.
Was in Pattaya in Jan 2011 and Bangkok years before (Nana / Soi Cowboy) not a fan of big cities so will not stay in BKK,
But never been to Phillipines. Happy to use Pattaya as a base but would like a beach to swim in.
Have read the threads and think PI Cebu / AC is interesting option but curious about north Thailand Udon and possibly into Laos.
The priority is mongering preferably slim not a mummy upto 25. Budget about $750 a week.
Given the above which would you do and why?
Answers on a postcard,
Thanks
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[QUOTE=Reiner Otto; 1492739]Pityful, you did not care about:
She was really 23, .
Usually, when people go onto the market, they buy fresh stuff.[/QUOTE]Sad to see (from your nickname that certain nationalities stereotypes) are true at times. Just do your meat shopping and leave me alone from now on.
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[QUOTE=Del049; 1492960]Hello all,
Mid 40's and reasonably fit bave a 30 day trip to Thailand coming up 18th November 2013.
Was in Pattaya in Jan 2011 and Bangkok years before (Nana / Soi Cowboy) not a fan of big cities so will not stay in BKK,
But never been to Phillipines. Happy to use Pattaya as a base but would like a beach to swim in.
Have read the threads and think PI Cebu / AC is interesting option but curious about north Thailand Udon and possibly into Laos.
The priority is mongering preferably slim not a mummy upto 25. Budget about $750 a week.
Given the above which would you do and why?
Answers on a postcard,
Thanks[/QUOTE]You can make Pattaya your base for mongering but stay in Jomtien (a short songthaew ride away only). The beach is much bigger and nicer and has more a "family" atmosphere to it, but in a number of sois of beach road you can find bars that provide the entertainment you are looking for. There are also some massage shops at the bus-station. I have stayed in one of the View Talay condo's and had no problem with bringing any guests I fancied. Have a look at the.
[url]www.dancewatchers.com[/url]
Website for good rental offers.
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Le Carre Blanc
Was in the mood to try something different after being a bit bored after countless trips to Thailand and Pattaya. I had a discussion with a friend and he told me about some bars out in the nether regions (for me anyway) where sex was more or less out in the open. I was intrigued, so I gave it a shot.
I did some research here and on other sites, and I was off for my adventure. Many thanks to Ehunter who's most excellent trip reports here were super informative and convinced me to try these places out. The three bars I was considering were Le Carre Blanc, Le Telephone Box and Club 4.
First stop was Le Carre Blanc as it had some good reviews and seemed the easiest to find, just off Soi Bukhao, which I am familiar with. It's not that easy to find, as it's technically on Soi 33 off Third Road, but it's actually a fairly short walk from the center of Soi Bukhao. If you just do a bit on online research like I did, you can find it easy enough.
It was about 10PM when I walked into this very small bar, and there were 4 customers seated at the bar and one at the table behind with maybe 15 girls. 8 or 9 of the girls were occupied, sitting with the guys who 2 of which I think had their pants open and equipment out as far as I could tell. I'm not one to look, but the motions of the girls made it obvious their hands were occupied. The bar is about 15 meters long and 5 meters wide (rough guess). The bar and tables and men's room are to the right. The girls sit in front of you on couches as you enter. Then there is sort of an empty space and the curtained area to be described later is to the far left. So essentially, at least when I was there, everyone is on the right half of the bar when you enter and the left side if unoccupied.
I was immediately approached by an older, heavy girl who did not appeal to me. I ordered a beer and sat at the bar and was approached by a second girl, also not attractive to me. By now my eyes had adjusted and it looked like there were some good looking girls, but most were occupied. There was one next to me playing with the guy at the bar and she had a terrific body. Finally, some guys left and a pretty but slightly chubby girl named Pat joined me. Soon, she had my cock out playing and trying to entice me into the back room, which is really just a curtained off part of the bar. The curtains were open as nobody was inside playing. Luckily other guys left and I was joined by the girl with the hot body who it turns out was Pat's older sister named A who is a bit of a legend there. She seemed a bit spacier and hornier too. It wasn't long before they enticed me into going to the back room.
While there, most of the guys were having exposed hand massages but I didn't see any open air blow jobs going on, although from reading reviews I guess it happens. I didn't feel like being the only guy so I opted for the 'room', which again is not a room at all just the curtained off back of the bar. It has some vinyl sofas and chairs and a coffee table. The curtains closed, the girls brought out about two dozen wipes, disrobed, and we were off to the races. There really isn't much of an 'exhibitionist' thing as you're behind curtains, sort of like The Strip in Patpong. But it was cool anyway as everyone was chatting away just on the other side of the curtain. Nobody can see inside. These were two extremely skilled cocksuckers who loved DATY too and after numerous position changes, I wanted more. The ante was upped to boom-boom and the condoms came out and after many position and condom changes I popped in Pat's mouth who I felt was the superior dick sucker of the sisters. Plus, I thought older sister A was hotter so kissing her with my finger up her pussy while little sister Pat sucked me to completion was the best combo.
Total damage was 300 each to the house (paid to the girls when done). Plus 1000 each for boom-boom. If I had just done oral it was 500 each. Lady drinks are 130 each, of which I bought a few. Total damage was about 3500. Well worth it for this 'different' experience.
After cleaning up with those packaged wipes, we went back to the main bar for one last round and I was gone. Some new guys had entered and were getting hand service at the bar. Overall, it was something different and I really liked the seediness of the bar and the scene there. I was lucky and got two attractive girls, as several of the others were not so attractive in my opinion. I thought many of the girls were good looking, although older and not "go go quality", but then you're not going to get this in many go-go's.
I read that it's not uncommon to be joined 'behind the curtain' by another customer (or two) and his girl (s). There are three couches / chairs, so theoretically you could have 3 groups in there. But this didn't happen to me and I'm not sure if I would have liked that but that's certainly upping the ante on the experience. It's pretty dark anyway, so not that big of a deal. Someone posted that there are curtains that can separate the customers behind the main curtain, but I am almost 100% sure after today's 2nd visit that this is not true, or maybe just no longer true. So if you go, be prepared for someone to be near you in full view, but there's plenty of room so you won't be touching or anything.
Overall, it was different, fun, and worth it to me. In fact, I returned two days later and will try to report on that visit. For those who are a bit bored of the Pattaya scene of endless gorgeous, willing young girls, you might want to give it a try!
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It's that time again!
Hi folks, been a LONG time since been on here. 3 years since had a mongering holiday, longest break since I started about 15 years ago. I try to avoid the site until about a 3 weeks / month before I head back as jealousy is a terrible thing. .
Got a lot of catching up to do, RTFF etc. Just hoping that we have moved on from the "which atm doesn't charge for withdrawals","what's the going rate for LT / ST"," I never pay more than 100 baht for a LT stunner" etc etc. But some how I doubt it. Got a LOT of catching up to do on the site. I'm sure I'll come across a lot of old favourites and a lot of new names to give me hints and tips. No matter how many times you go there (18 trips now) you never know it all and we all can still fall for the occasional scam or do something stupid. Guess that is part of the excitement. Looking foreword to posting some of my inane drivel and travel reports (including my guaranteed fuck ups).
3 weeks in my favourite View Talay 6. Wouldn't go anywhere else now.
Glad to be back here. .
JohnThe Scot.
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Maybe we will be neighbors. LOL. I am there in to VT6 in 17 days.
[QUOTE=Johnthescot; 1494174]SNIPPED.
3 weeks in my favourite View Talay 6. Wouldn't go anywhere else now.
Glad to be back here. .
JohnThe Scot.[/QUOTE]
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Where else to go?
Hey folks been going to Pattaya for about ten years and will be in Pattaya tomorrow for couple of weeks. I was planning to make a quick shot to Angeles for 3 days but with that Typhoon stuff, I don't know if I will be going. Was also thinking about Indonesia. Any recommendations for a short hop away from Pattaya? Women wise? Thanks.
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Jakarta
[QUOTE=Long91;1494542]Hey folks been going to Pattaya for about ten years and will be in Pattaya tomorrow for couple of weeks. I was planning to make a quick shot to Angeles for 3 days but with that Typhoon stuff, I don't know if I will be going. Was also thinking about Indonesia. Any recommendations for a short hop away from Pattaya? Women wise? Thanks.[/QUOTE]Consider Jakarta. It's a big ugly city but is a very good mongering destination. Muslim country so the sex scene is not out in the open like in Bangkok and Pattaya, but there are plenty of venues filled with pros and semipros. You need to do your homework and know where to go, but there is no shortage of good mongering destinations. Many Indonesian women are very pretty, sexy and eager to play.
A few websites to get you started.
[url]http://www.jakarta100bars.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.jakartasexguide.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.jakartablokm.com/index.htm[/url]
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[QUOTE=Long91;1494542]Hey folks been going to Pattaya for about ten years and will be in Pattaya tomorrow for couple of weeks. I was planning to make a quick shot to Angeles for 3 days but with that Typhoon stuff, I don't know if I will be going. Was also thinking about Indonesia. Any recommendations for a short hop away from Pattaya? Women wise? Thanks.[/QUOTE]News reports say Vietnam is next, what's the forecast for Thailand?
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[QUOTE=Breadman;1494559]News reports say Vietnam is next, what's the forecast for Thailand?[/QUOTE]Thunderstorms on the 13th are forecast, with a few showers, clouds or a mix of clouds and sun other days of the week.
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[QUOTE=Paul Kausch; 1494557]Consider Jakarta. It's a big ugly city but is a very good mongering destination. Muslim country so the sex scene is not out in the open like in Bangkok and Pattaya, but there are plenty of venues filled with pros and semipros. You need to do your homework and know where to go, but there is no shortage of good mongering destinations. Many Indonesian women are very pretty, sexy and eager to play.
A few websites to get you started.
[url]http://www.jakarta100bars.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.jakartasexguide.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.jakartablokm.com/index.htm[/url][/QUOTE]Thanks for the fast response. Airline tix look about $260 from BKK. Appreciate the links for study notes. Back to my homework.
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[QUOTE=Long91;1494581]Thanks for the fast response. Airline tix look about $260 from BKK. Appreciate the links for study notes. Back to my homework.[/QUOTE]Jakarta offers good value. Six months ago the rupiah was US$1 = IDR9,735, today it is US$1 = IDR11,407.
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[QUOTE=Pablo;1494011]First stop was Le Carre Blanc[/QUOTE]Thanks, I didn't realize it was open again. They got busted a while back and were closed down tight for some months.
While I always liked the format, the talent never did much for me. But in a funny way sometimes these police shutdowns can boost a place's popularity and bring in new girls, so it sounds worth checking out again.
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Met this sweet thai girl in Pattaya floating market. Decent looking, amazing attitude, speaks very less English, thanks to google translator. Good in bed, tight pussy, amazing DFK. She took me to all descreet clubs and discotheque in Pattaya . I thought I'm going to get robbed. But she ended up naked in my bed at 3Am in the morning. Amazing in bed. She is 21 years old. She is the only unpaid encounter I had in Thailand, am still in touch with her through whatsapp and facebook. That the reason why I cropped her pic. Rest all were paid sex, difficult to hook up for free in Thailand, I met many cute sexy Thai college girls in Bangkok, they were very sofisticated couldn't get them into bed or may be I didn't try harder, promised to meet them for clubbing the next time I go to Bangkok. I miss Pattaya and Bangkok minus the heat. Everything else was perfect in Thailand!
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Sea Falcon on the water?
Am just looking to book accommodation for my first trip to Pattaya / Thailand. Looking at this place.
Anyone any experience of it? For me it looks a good place low key. Sea view rooms and in a quiet location and at a cheap rent. Reports to follow obviously!
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A Patay bat girl's story
While doing some research on Pattaya I came across this story. I found it rather moving- it kind of tells the other side of the story.
[url]http://www.dancewatchers.com/A_Pattaya_Bar_girls_story.html[/url]
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[QUOTE=Ripple67; 1496346]While doing some research on Pattaya I came across this story. I found it rather moving- it kind of tells the other side of the story.
[url]http://www.dancewatchers.com/A_Pattaya_Bar_girls_story.html[/url][/QUOTE]Good story. Might've fit the situation on the ground 20-30 years ago, but not anymore. For one thing, the idea of a virgin arriving to work in Pattaya is pretty hilarious! We get the second-hand stuff after its been passed around from Thai to Thai. Only when no Thai wants it does a farang get it - that's the way it works.
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[QUOTE=Ripple67; 1496346]While doing some research on Pattaya I came across this story. I found it rather moving- it kind of tells the other side of the story.
[url]http://www.dancewatchers.com/A_Pattaya_Bar_girls_story.html[/url][/QUOTE]Here's the first of three YouTube videos that tell a variation on this story. The videos are several years old but still relevant.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STCpKDAmKSs[/url]
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Opps!
[QUOTE=Paul Kausch; 1496405]Here's the first of three YouTube videos that tell a variation on this story. The videos are several years old but still relevant.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STCpKDAmKSs[/url][/QUOTE]There are 6 parts to the story. Sorry been awhile since I viewed it.
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[QUOTE=Ripple67; 1496346]While doing some research on Pattaya I came across this story. I found it rather moving- it kind of tells the other side of the story.
[url]http://www.dancewatchers.com/A_Pattaya_Bar_girls_story.html[/url][/QUOTE]Thanks, Rip. I always thought dowry was for the guy, at least in Western culture. After all, he gives up his freedom and money in exchange for? However, the video taught me it's matrilineal and driven by greedy banks (landholders) who in turn force families to basically sell their daughters to pay off their mortgage. Philippine culture is similar in that the richest guy has to put up with all the wife's moocher relatives. Hell, I may never get married.
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[QUOTE=D Cups;1496643]Thanks, Rip. I always thought dowry was for the guy, at least in Western culture. After all, he gives up his freedom and money in exchange for? However, the video taught me it's matrilineal and driven by greedy banks (landholders) who in turn force families to basically sell their daughters to pay off their mortgage. Philippine culture is similar in that the richest guy has to put up with all the wife's moocher relatives. Hell, I may never get married.[/QUOTE]Every girl I have met either a bargirl or Non-bargirl has a story to tell if you keep her more than one day. Usually they are sob stories of why they are having sex with me for help.
Whether they are true or not no way to tell. As for me I listen but make no judgement whatsoever.
Yes, all girls prefer to marry guys with money or good earning. First they try their own kind. If unsuccessful they try foreigners. According to stories many have a good life marrying a foreigner along with stories of abandonment and other issues.
At least in some countries they can make money being with foreigners. Some have done very well by the time sell by date has expired. Even the girl telling her story said the same.
We as mongers are happy to see there are available girls for us. If we feel we are exploiting the situation we should not be in the game. Cannot feel sorry for all sob stories real or imagined.
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[QUOTE=Opebo;1496391]Good story. Might've fit the situation on the ground 20-30 years ago, but not anymore. For one thing, the idea of a virgin arriving to work in Pattaya is pretty hilarious! We get the second-hand stuff after its been passed around from Thai to Thai. Only when no Thai wants it does a farang get it - that's the way it works.[/QUOTE]If the stunners I've had every year since 2007 at Nana Parking Lot for 1000 baht ST are Thai throw aways, what would happen to me if I saw the girls Thai men are doing? I almost have a heart attack as it is when I see the NPL girls. But perhaps what Thai men consider attractive is not the same idea as for farang males. Moreover I wonder if I'd even be interested in humping a virgin. Experienced nymphos with some skills & talent are those I seem to get the most pleasure with.
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[QUOTE=D Cups;1496643]Thanks, Rip. I always thought dowry was for the guy, at least in Western culture. After all, he gives up his freedom and money in exchange for? However, the video taught me it's matrilineal and driven by greedy banks (landholders) who in turn force families to basically sell their daughters to pay off their mortgage. Philippine culture is similar in that the richest guy has to put up with all the wife's moocher relatives. Hell, I may never get married.[/QUOTE]You are right: dowry is a gift to the groom, but "sin sot" in Thailand is not a dowry, but a bride-price system. The rationale behind this is that it allows the groom to demonstrate that he has enough financial resources to support the bride (and possibly her family) after the wedding
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Hi All,
I'll be visiting Pattaya next week and was hoping to get some dental work done while I'm there. Can anyone recommend a good English speaking dentist? Sorry if this was posted before but I searched and couldn't find anything. Also, if anyone wants to meet up thanksgiving week PM me.
Cheers,
TT
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Hi all,
I've been browsing this forum for more than a year and decided to make a post finally. I've been to many countries in Europe and I realized that its' time to go to the heaven of mongers on my next vacation. I am planning to visit Thailand sometime next year. I've been surfing the internet regarding Thailand, but I have some specific questions to which I couldn't find any answers. So, my questions are as follows:
1. Are there high / low seasons when it comes to mongering scene?
2. Does high / low season affect prices for girls and hotels?
3. I read on this forum that price range in Patayya is more than double cheaper than Bangkok. So, taking into account my 10 days vacation how many days do you recommend for each destination?
4. Given the abovementioned 10 days time period how much money on average should I take with me for solely fucking purposes? (I mean in order to get at least average quality girl every day)
Personally, I'd like to visit on low season due to some reasons that are not related to financial matters. In my native language we have saying "the more stuff / option you have, the less quality it eventually becomes".
Thanks in advance.
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Beach road nov 2013
Happy to report the walkway has been narrowed but still planty of FL's lining up from Pattaya klang to a bit south of royal garden.
Have prices increased? Not so sure, as there are still the 500 rates, then 700 is where I shop, gives me a decent looked with services I need. Even had a Bangkok semi decent looked for this, yes easy to spot- definitely a better style of dressing and overall appearence. Sorry no pm's for this one as it turned into a bit of a starfish, done the deed and sent her off, did not collect ph#
Mtg
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[QUOTE=MilesToGo; 1497160]Happy to report the walkway has been narrowed but still planty of FL's lining up from Pattaya klang to a bit south of royal garden.
Have prices increased? Not so sure, as there are still the 500 rates, then 700 is where I shop, gives me a decent looked with services I need. Even had a Bangkok semi decent looked for this, yes easy to spot- definitely a better style of dressing and overall appearence. Sorry no pm's for this one as it turned into a bit of a starfish, done the deed and sent her off, did not collect ph#
Mtg[/QUOTE]It's correct the construction of beach road not yet finished. Even the space gets narrow, but nothing can stop the action out there. No benches or sitting facilities, no worry, sand bags are there to serve the vibrant beach road.
See the pics.
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[QUOTE=Tequila Tim; 1496830]Hi All,
I'll be visiting Pattaya next week and was hoping to get some dental work done while I'm there. Can anyone recommend a good English speaking dentist? Sorry if this was posted before but I searched and couldn't find anything. Also, if anyone wants to meet up thanksgiving week PM me.
Cheers,
TT[/QUOTE]Go to the 4th floor in Central Festival. The name is something like at Beach Dentistry. I have been in Thailand since mid September and have seen this dentist for teeth cleaning. I don't remember her name, but just ask for the lady dentist. She speaks decent English and has a nice personality and did a good job for me. I would repeat.
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[QUOTE=Zidane10; 1497005]Hi all,
I've been browsing this forum for more than a year and decided to make a post finally. I've been to many countries in Europe and I realized that its' time to go to the heaven of mongers on my next vacation. I am planning to visit Thailand sometime next year. I've been surfing the internet regarding Thailand, but I have some specific questions to which I couldn't find any answers. So, my questions are as follows:
1. Are there high / low seasons when it comes to mongering scene?
2. Does high / low season affect prices for girls and hotels?
3. I read on this forum that price range in Patayya is more than double cheaper than Bangkok. So, taking into account my 10 days vacation how many days do you recommend for each destination?
4. Given the abovementioned 10 days time period how much money on average should I take with me for solely fucking purposes? (I mean in order to get at least average quality girl every day)
Personally, I'd like to visit on low season due to some reasons that are not related to financial matters. In my native language we have saying "the more stuff / option you have, the less quality it eventually becomes".
Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]1. Yes, generally May through October. Keep in mind that Sept. and Oct. Has a lot of humidity and rain. So does June through August, but not as bad. I saw Beach road flooded over and looked like a river. That was in October. The water was 6 inches deep or more in some places. I know cause I was walking in it. I may give Thailand a pass next October. Maybe even September. I prefer June through August.
2. Yes, many of the hotels are cheaper and so are some of the ladies, but that varies.
3. I have been getting Pattaya prices in Bangkok with freelancers (currently in Bangkok). With only 10 days, I would recommend that you spend your time in Pattaya.
4. In Pattaya, freelancers and some bar ladies can be had for 1, 000 Baht for LT. Bar ladies will also cost you at least 300 Baht BF. Some will want 1, 500. 2,000 for LT. Average those prices and figure out how much banging you plan to do and you will have a good estimate.
Good luck
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Thank you.
[QUOTE=Hobbyist2; 1497326]1. Yes, generally May through October. Keep in mind that Sept. And Oct. Has a lot of humidity and rain. So does June through August, but not as bad. I saw Beach road flooded over and looked like a river. That was in October. The water was 6 inches deep or more in some places. I know cause I was walking in it. I may give Thailand a pass next October. Maybe even September. I prefer June through August.
2. Yes, many of the hotels are cheaper and so are some of the ladies, but that varies.
3. I have been getting Pattaya prices in Bangkok with freelancers (currently in Bangkok). With only 10 days, I would recommend that you spend your time in Pattaya.
4. In Pattaya, freelancers and some bar ladies can be had for 1, 000 Baht for LT. Bar ladies will also cost you at least 300 Baht BF. Some will want 1, 500. 2,000 for LT. Average those prices and figure out how much banging you plan to do and you will have a good estimate.
Good luck[/QUOTE]That's why we have this forum. To exchange information that we can use in our mongering. Thank you Hobbyist 2
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Loy kathrong nite on beach Road
[QUOTE=Mua Tur; 1497184]It's correct the construction of beach road not yet finished. Even the space gets narrow, but nothing can stop the action out there. No benches or sitting facilities, no worry, sand bags are there to serve the vibrant beach road.
See the pics.[/QUOTE]thanks for adding the pics MT. Pm if you want to meet up.
Last nite around 830pm, sombody or some.
Thing turned off all the power on the walkway side. Unless you could qwitness a little hard to believe. Maybe 60, 000 people crowded onto that one side, vendors lining both edges, no panic, no looting. I left soon just to avoid pickpockets.
Advantage of less seating also gives us better view of the ladies too!
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[QUOTE=MilesToGo; 1497565]thanks for adding the pics MT. Pm if you want to meet up.
Last nite around 830pm, sombody or some.
Thing turned off all the power on the walkway side. Unless you could qwitness a little hard to believe. Maybe 60, 000 people crowded onto that one side, vendors lining both edges, no panic, no looting. I left soon just to avoid pickpockets.
Advantage of less seating also gives us better view of the ladies too![/QUOTE]Thanks for the invitation. It's a pleasure to be with a fellow ISGer. But unfortunately I am not in Pattya now.
Some other day, if we get our right time.
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[QUOTE=MilesToGo;1497565]Last nite around 830pm, sombody or something turned off all the power on the walkway side. Unless you could qwitness a little hard to believe. Maybe 60, 000 people crowded onto that one side, vendors lining both edges, no panic, no looting. I left soon just to avoid pickpockets.[/QUOTE]They must have turned the lights back on by the time I got out there about 1030.
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Walking Street fight I caught two nights ago:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3L_t7QQDQc&feature=youtu.be[/url]
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Luckily my girlfriend had to go to Bangkok for the weekend to her cousin's wedding. I was able to get one of my online girls, who is only off work on the weekends, to drive from Chonburi to visit me. A lot thin for my taste, but so damn beautiful. Whenever we went for an outing she had her wallet out before the cashier could punch the numbers into the computer. Definitely a keeper.
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[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1497640]Walking Street fight I caught two nights ago:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3L_t7QQDQc&feature=youtu.be[/url][/QUOTE]By Pattaya standards, those were some plump ladies.
See you around Christmas if you are around.
Thanks for posting the video.
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Thai Women are getting Fatter
[QUOTE=Tomjackin;1497650]By Pattaya standards, those were some plump ladies.[/QUOTE]By any standards fast food is taking its toll on the number of svelte size 6 ladies in Pattaya and elsewhere. I used to think that missionary would be hard on many WGs, now I get worried about cowboy.
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Don't you mean cowgirl? Unless you meant cowladyboy!
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i've been complaining about this for years. very few slim girls anymore, probably more about the draconian drug suppression going on under this government than any change in diet. back in the day most girls were on drugs, which made them thin and highly motivated. now they go to jail for months for 'test [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url]-[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url]', and come back enormously fat.
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[quote=opebo;1497880]i've been complaining about this for years. very few slim girls anymore, probably more about the draconian drug suppression going on under this government than any change in diet. back in the day most girls were on drugs, which made them thin and highly motivated. now they go to jail for months for 'test [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url]-[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url]', and come back enormously fat.[/quote]there's plenty of skinny white viet girls here in sg. the communist country hasn't yet introduced fast foods joints such as mcdonalds & burger king. i wonder if they do nothing but blab, eat & sleep all day like tgs. certainly the ones from hanoi expend more calories fucking me than los ladies have. ever been to vietnam? i'm planning a trip to the capital, which seems it may be even cheaper than pattaya, let alone bangkok.
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Sweet lady
I echo the previous report that Thai ladies are getting larger over the years. Met this lady on line. She works in a clothing store. It's just great in Asia where a warm blooded woman who happens to be motivated by natural hormones can meet a guy and be in bed within an hour.
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Hi everyone,
I am interested in Russian / Uzbaki or euro girl. For that which is better place BKK or Pattaya. I know the places in BKK to find Russian girls but I have not been to Pattaya since last 10 year. Update on that will be highly appreciated.
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[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1497927]There's plenty of skinny white Viet girls here in SG. Ever been to Vietnam? I'm planning a trip to the capital, which seems it may be even cheaper than Pattaya, let alone Bangkok.[/QUOTE]SG. Saigon? Yes I've been to the North and South of Vietnam. 7-8 years ago. Back then mongering was strongly suppressed by the government, and it seemed very expensive to me. Say $50-60 at a bare minimum if you could even find a working girl. I liked the Vietnamese girls one used to be able to get in Cambodia in the old days, but as I understand it they're hard to find there now, and mongering there is generally under crackdown.
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[QUOTE=Opebo;1498741]SG. Saigon? Yes I've been to the North and South of Vietnam. 7-8 years ago. Back then mongering was strongly suppressed by the government, and it seemed very expensive to me. Say $50-60 at a bare minimum if you could even find a working girl. I liked the Vietnamese girls one used to be able to get in Cambodia in the old days, but as I understand it they're hard to find there now, and mongering there is generally under crackdown.[/QUOTE]SG can be Spice Girls, School Gyrls or Singapore:
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SG[/url]
Not only are the Viet girls slim, but also many of the PRC in Lion City. These are in contrast to what I've seen of the Indonesians who look like they've lived their whole life on a steady diet of big macs.
A large percentage of the Hanoi & Saigon girls in SG ask only 700 baht for a quicky. Several I saw the other day were quite the stunners, like you might have seen at Thermae in BKK, looking to be about 18 years old.
Prostitution in communist Vietnam is hidden or underground relative to LOS. Yet the many dozens of BJ type of places are much more common than in BKK or Pattaya. Code for a BBBJ is when the girl asks "massage baby". If she's offering you sex it is "bum bum?"
Unless you are being taken for a ride, you should expect to pay less for Viet girls in their home country than I'd pay for them in SG.
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Russian Girls in Pattaya
[QUOTE=Fun Filled; 1498558]Hi everyone,
I am interested in Russian / Uzbaki or euro girl. For that which is better place BKK or Pattaya.[/QUOTE]Have been in Pat 2 months ago. Saw a few Russian and Ukrainian girls on WS, attracting customers to a "Russian" bar, even had a talk with one of the girls in the "Russian" bar, as "Ya gavariu po-Russkii".
Quality is 3rd choice, at least, according to my standards, as I lived and worked a few years in RF and UA. So I did not even ask for prices.
But prices for drinks in the "Russian" bar on WS were very high, about 800UHA for a cocktail for the girl. You should better avoid the "Russian" bars on WS.
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[QUOTE=Opebo;1498741]SG. Saigon? Yes I've been to the North and South of Vietnam. 7-8 years ago. Back then mongering was strongly suppressed by the government, and it seemed very expensive to me. Say $50-60 at a bare minimum if you could even find a working girl. I liked the Vietnamese girls one used to be able to get in Cambodia in the old days, but as I understand it they're hard to find there now, and mongering there is generally under crackdown.[/QUOTE]Very easy to find working girls in Vietnam. I had them in Ho Chi Minh City, Nha Trang, Da Nang, and Hanoi back in March. The most I paid was $30, which was in HCMC. Paid $15 or so in Nha Trang and Da Nang, and $10 in Hanoi. I think those were my prices. You would have to search to forum to find precisely. The women there were not my type though. No shape whatsoever. And a brother has to have a chick with some ass if nothing else. The first Viet chick I fucked was last year in Cambodia for $20. Nothing to write home about.
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Back to Pattaya and Thailand, please
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1498932]Very easy to find working girls in Vietnam. I had them in Ho Chi Minh City, Nha Trang, Da Nang, and Hanoi back in March. The most I paid was $30, which was in HCMC. Paid $15 or so in Nha Trang and Da Nang, and $10 in Hanoi. I think those were my prices. You would have to search to forum to find precisely. The women there were not my type though. No shape whatsoever. And a brother has to have a chick with some ass if nothing else. The first Viet chick I fucked was last year in Cambodia for $20. Nothing to write home about.[/QUOTE]International price comparisons don't help as you are either here or there or nowhere.
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[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1498932]Very easy to find working girls in Vietnam. I had them in Ho Chi Minh City, Nha Trang, Da Nang, and Hanoi back in March. The most I paid was $30, which was in HCMC. Paid $15 or so in Nha Trang and Da Nang, and $10 in Hanoi. I think those were my prices. You would have to search to forum to find precisely. The women there were not my type though. No shape whatsoever. And a brother has to have a chick with some ass if nothing else. The first Viet chick I fucked was last year in Cambodia for $20. Nothing to write home about.[/QUOTE]"And a brother has to have a chick with some ass if nothing else." LOL.
In SG recently I've seen a couple Viet derriere that were so perfect I'd like to buy them & take them home with me. Play with them everyday, frame them or something. I've seen a few TGs with similar assets.
They were all rather slim, with small roundish bubble butts. Certainly no where near your 200 pound USA grade black American booty. That's not my cup of tea at all, but like faces, tits, etc, bottom beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
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[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1498932]Very easy to find working girls in Vietnam. I had them in Ho Chi Minh City, Nha Trang, Da Nang, and Hanoi back in March. The most I paid was $30, which was in HCMC. Paid $15 or so in Nha Trang and Da Nang, and $10 in Hanoi. I think those were my prices. You would have to search to forum to find precisely.[/QUOTE]Well I did look, there's very little on the Vietnam forum, and most of it does look very expensive. Maybe you should write a report. I've always heard its a poor country for mongering, with few venues and high prices.
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Hello guys,
I'm from Italy. I'll be in Pattaya from dec 7th to 22nd, if someone of you would like to join for a beer and to spend some nice evening mongering together, please contact me in private. And if somebody of you, gentlemen, has some suggests, well. It would be appreciated.
Have a nice evening!
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[QUOTE=Opebo;1499010]Well I did look, there's very little on the Vietnam forum, and most of it does look very expensive. Maybe you should write a report. I've always heard its a poor country for mongering, with few venues and high prices.[/QUOTE]I did write reports. Search those threads in March 2013. And most of my info I did get from there. As anywhere, it may start expensive. It is up to you to use bargaining skills to make it cheap. I don't take the first price as the final price. I'm a shrewd negotiator when it comes to pussy and damn near anything else for that matter.
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[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1499215]I'm a shrewd negotiator when it comes to pussy and damn near anything else for that matter.[/QUOTE]I can vouch for that!:)
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Senior Members can private message & view ISG photos
[QUOTE=FashionKeep;1499025]I'm from Italy. I'll be in Pattaya from dec 7th to 22nd, if someone of you would like to join for a beer and to spend some nice evening mongering together, please contact me in private.[/QUOTE]Hi FashionKeep:
- I suggest you upgrade to "Senior Member" membership for $20 / year. As a Regular Member you can not use PM (private messaging to send or receive) and an additional benefit as a Senior Member is the ability to view photos on ISG.
- Unfortunately I leave Patts 30 Nov otherwise I would wingman with you. If you do not find a wingman thru ISG, if you go to Soi 6 (it mostly opens at 1 pm) and visit Night Wish Bar, Pussy Club, Sexy in the City, Ruby Club and / or 3 Angels Bar, there are lots of BMs (board members) who hang out at those places. Some of 'them may need a wingman, some of 'them are experienced and can show you around. They tend to be very friendly (like you and me) so just talk to them and they can give you advice and maybe wingman with you.
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Thanks Amex Spg
[QUOTE=Amex Spg; 1499231]Hi FashionKeep:
They tend to be very friendly (like you and me) so just talk to them and they can give you advice and maybe wingman with you.[/QUOTE]I met Amex Spg on a recent visit a very helpful and down to earth guy will help anyone. Unfortunately I had to leave early so did not get to monger together. Thanks for inviting me to your room and showing me the photos and sharing your experiences YOUR THE MAN! Wish all were like you.
Happy Mongering
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I agree
'Three things cannot be long hidden: the sun, the moon, and the truth. '- Buddha.
Amex SPG has given me lots of useful info and I hope to buddha that one day our paths would cross so I can buy him a few drinks.
Speaking of drinks and buddha. Was he a thirsty man? All of those shrines are full of water and fruit punch. It was always interesting that there were dozens of drinks all around the shrines and the thai honeys have to stop at every shrine to bow and pray while walking back to my hotel with me. I found it funny. They are so religious one minute and complete nymphs the next in my room. Buddha bless them. .
[QUOTE=Xplorer007; 1499318]I met Amex Spg on a recent visit a very helpful and down to earth guy will help anyone. Unfortunately I had to leave early so did not get to monger together. Thanks for inviting me to your room and showing me the photos and sharing your experiences YOUR THE MAN! Wish all were like you.
Happy Mongering[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Nclpimp;1499772]I found it funny. They are so religious one minute and complete nymphs the next in my room. Buddha bless them. .[/QUOTE]Nymphs? Nahh. They are just people trying to take care of their families.
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[QUOTE=Nclpimp;1499772]Speaking of drinks and buddha. Was he a thirsty man? All of those shrines are full of water and fruit punch. It was always interesting that there were dozens of drinks all around the shrines and the thai honeys have to stop at every shrine to bow and pray while walking back to my hotel with me. I found it funny. They are so religious one minute and complete nymphs the next in my room. Buddha bless them. .[/QUOTE]Most of these shrines are not for the Buddha, but for the "spirits" who live everywhere and need to be placated less they pull some pranks (or worse) on you.
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Sabai Land
Have not tried Honey yet, but I went to old school and went back to Sabai Land, Sai song. Kinda regret it because the girl was beautiful with nice big rack (did not allow pics) but was sort of clinical and not GFE at all. Wonder if this is the typical experiance now at soapys. The only good moment I had was when she was cow girl and let her hair down while riding me. It was like out of a movie because she was so cute and looking down at me. Took her missionary after that and finished her off. I think I will try Honey next time. FYI, now I noticed why the girls on the right side were more enthusiastic than the ones on the left. Right side girls, I was told, are older. The ones on the left are a little hotter, but just sit there preening themselves and not giving eye contact.
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Pattaya Fetishes that are on my list
[QUOTE=Fun Filled; 1498558]Hi everyone,
I am interested in Russian / Uzbaki or euro girl. For that which is better place BKK or Pattaya. I know the places in BKK to find Russian girls but I have not been to Pattaya since last 10 year. Update on that will be highly appreciated.[/QUOTE]I thought I would also second this post as I am interested in Russian / Uzbaki or euro girl as well. I also have a few other interests if any of my fellow punters have some intel about any of these I'd appreciate it:
1. Preg Girls.
2. Girls who will do anal.
3. Bigger or plus sized girls.
4. I heard there was a Dom / Sub bar in Pattaya. Anyone have any experience with this place?
5. A good show bar where one is not hassled too much.
6. Also any useful information about the current status of the coconut bar.
7. Prostate messages.
Sorry for the long laundry list but I know how rapidly things can change and it's been a few years since I've been in Pattaya. Thanks everyone so much for their help.
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[QUOTE=JohnnieBravo;1500298]2. Girls who will do anal.[/QUOTE]
I share this interest. I find that a fair percentage of older/less attractive women will provide this.. maybe up to 25% or so. By older I mean over 40. (remember women in Pattaya are almost always 5-10 years older than you might think they are at first glance)
Alas, younger, more attractive women will almost [i]never[/i] provide this service because after all they have no need to do so - their wares sell every night without difficult extras. I have in the past very rarely found sexy-but-far-from-perfect 30ish women who are willing to do anal properly, but they're a real prize.
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[QUOTE=JohnnieBravo;1500298]7. Prostate messages.[/QUOTE]Can probably be found in Boyztown
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Thai News
Gents,
Recent news reports suggest that there are protests going on in BKK and other parts of Thailand. An update on the ground situation would be much appreciated from the forum members.
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Bangkok in Chaos- oh yes
[QUOTE=Member #2635; 1500821]Gents,
Recent news reports suggest that there are protests going on in BKK and other parts of Thailand. An update on the ground situation would be much appreciated from the forum members.[/QUOTE]No problem in all most of Bangkok except around the GoT offices west of China Town on the river. Sukhumvit grabbing every tourist US$ as normal.
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[QUOTE=JohnnieBravo; 1500298]I thought I would also second this post as I am interested in Russian / Uzbaki or euro girl as well. I also have a few other interests if any of my fellow punters have some intel about any of these I'd appreciate it:
1. Preg Girls.
2. Girls who will do anal.
3. Bigger or plus sized girls.
4. I heard there was a Dom / Sub bar in Pattaya. Anyone have any experience with this place?
5. A good show bar where one is not hassled too much.
6. Also any useful information about the current status of the coconut bar.
7. Prostate messages.
Sorry for the long laundry list but I know how rapidly things can change and it's been a few years since I've been in Pattaya. Thanks everyone so much for their help.[/QUOTE]Short answer to your long list is go there and ask the girls. What one girl will do with one punter has nothing to do with you. If the girl likes you and negotiated amount is right sky is the limit what the girl will do.
For pregnant girls ask girls. Usually they know somebody who is pregnant.
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soi 6 ****
I went drinking last night on Soi 6 before heading to walking street. I normally give my number to girls and meet them later at a discounted rate. I saw this girl who I was thinking was the same one I arrange to meet with at Ibar the night before but I had a change of plans with a girl from Mixx. But, After talking to this girl for a few second I knew it was the same one plus this girl wasn't as thick as the one the night before. So I told here I was heading to walking street and maybe will stop by her bar tomorrow but she grab my hand a told me to come inside for one drink. I was a little drunk and wanted to sober up before I going to the disco. So I was think what the hell I could have a soda and rub on her a little bit before sobering up. So I went in the Bar she started rubbing on my dick and I was playing with her tits and rubbing on her ass. She didn't have too much up top but had a firm ass so, The question came do you want to go upstarts. I told her I drink too much but if she wanted to meet at the disco later we could hook up then. She didn't understand my answer and called an older lady over she to find out what I was asking her. I didn't want to have any problem about not paying the barfine so I just asked the older what's the price different for LT and ST She said the girl is new and speaks little English but can translate with and app on her phone. She also told me the girl will only do short time. I asked Why and told here I don't like short time. She asked me where I stay I told here it was a nice place and not a little shit hole room but a nice apartment hotel. She said ok t told me the price. I asked here for a lower price for the girl and barfine because it was late she said ok and I paid the bafine. The girl changed and came out the room with a FUCKING mickey mouse jacket and her same outfit on and some item in a plastic bag. I was thinking I hope she don't wear this shit to the club and please have a sexy outfit in that bag. So Instead of going to club. We go to the apartment so she can leave here plastic bag there and take off that mickey mouse jacket. After entering the hotel the front desk asked for her I'd she gave to him but was looking unsure about if she should. The from desk guy call another guy and said sir she is 16 years old and guess have to be 18 and older. I asked her what was her age but now she don't understand any English. So took her back to the bar and told the older lady the front desk said here I'd shows her being 16 . She fucking said sorry and gave me the money back for the barfine then have nerve to ask me if I wanted the girl upstairs for ST. I told her NO fucking way but there are some cop who might like to spend some me LT with you and I walked out the bar. Watch out guys just because they working in the bar don't mean they are legal age to work.
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Prostate message
[QUOTE=Naked Gunz;1500756]Can probably be found in Boyztown[/QUOTE]I did some research and found there is a joint in Jomtien that seems to take this very seriously:
[url]www.pattayaprostatemassage.com[/url]
Could please anyone of the gents of this noble forum try out the service and do a report of the benefits, thanks a lot for the efforts, BTW, they offer enemas too!
Lp
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Day 5-6 con't from Bangkok Reports
Got settled in hotel and took a long deserved siesta. Woke up about 9PM, showered got something to eat. Took a walk to Beach road that I have been hearing about. There were providers of all types. I eyeballed this girl sitting on steps to beach. She smiled and I went over to talk to her. Her name was Tia or something, Very little english but I interrogated her and she would always say yes. She said 700 baht for everything short time. The everything was, BJ, CIM, Anal 2 pops, etc. Well, we get in my room she says for me to take a shower, so I did. Came out laid on the bed and then she took a shower. She comes and gets next to me and asked if I have condom. I say yes. She lays there staring at me. I say blow job she shakes her head no. WTF, she wants to put condom on me and ride me. Well, I am know pornstar but I need some warming up. No go, so I got a little pissed and told her she has to leave. I thought I was generous giving her 500 baht to leave and she didn't argue. How can girl on Beach road not give Blow Jobs? Live and learn. Maybe my small dick scared her. Next day did tourist shit and to a nap and headed down to Walking Street. Searched out this Windmill A Go Go and wow what a wild place. I played hard to get in the beginning and finally settled on Pin. She was IMHO one the hotest. Bought her couple drinks had some fun with the Mamasan. She came over and said you want girl, I said no I want you! She laughed and said 700 baht bar fine after midnight. It was 11:30 or so ordered us some more drinks. Pretty stupid because they still got the baht they wanted out of me anyway with the drinks. At midnight we left. Pin only wanted ST for 2000 baht and I was OK with it because I thought I could do some damage in 2 hours. And I did. Great gal she even rimmed me to get me off second time. I was impressed, my first Go Go takeout in Pattaya and I am walking on air. Well, a week to go and maybe I should take a day of for rest, not!
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Pattaya short trip.
Arrived Monday afternoon and was staying in Soi Lengkee, Pailin House 600 THB, basic rooms but fridge, cable, a / see and fan over the bed, clean, does the job.
Went off to my regular afternoon bar in Soi 7, cute new girl and one or 2 others not there when I left in December.
After a couple of thirst quenchers I decide to BF the new cute one. 300 THB. This was just a quickie for me, ST, she was happy with 800 THB. Basic service certainly no CIM or A but gave a reasonable session of CG, Mish and I finished in Doggie and her English was good.
Over to the Devonshire for some English scoff that's hard to find up in the Bush
And then a crawl around LK.
Some of the Gogo's were like mortuaries but after several, Sugar Sugar seemed to have the best vibes, so I went back.
Eventually did a BF from there. 600 THB. 27 year old, nice bod and lovely face. She needed some coaxing back in the room but after some DATY she soon got into it. I finished after 2 or 3 positions with CIM but no swallow.
I had a second round mid-morning and she left at 1pm with 1500 THB in her purse.
Day 2 and I decided to check out the new M club Soi 14 off 3rd road. I got there about 3. 30pm. Half a dozen girls there all quite reasonable, when I arrived only 2 other punters but 3-4 drifted in before I left. A nice place but lacks atmosphere (on my visit) be better if you had a couple of mates in tow.
Went to Walking, Secrets was dead as was Casanovy and was low on quality but I ended up in Mandarin which had a good vibe and the girls looked like they were enjoying it. There was a good selection with plenty to choose from. M was a cracker, superb figure with A cuppers and a lovely pussy. She wanted 3000 LT but I agreed 2500 with her until at least midday, in the end she left at 2pm and 3 pops later and was a good laugh too. Saw her again the following night before departing and just had a ST as I had an early start back to the Isaan Bush.
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Go-Go's
Since I'm in Pattaya thought I would try some go-go's to look for an attractive lady for ST or LT. Can anyone with recent experience there suggest a few go-go's where they have the most attractive girls and what is reasonable offer to make the girl for ST and LT? (Not what they will ask for; but what will they usually accept) Report will follow my visits.
Thanks!
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[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1499777]Nymphs? Nahh. They are just people trying to take care of their families.[/QUOTE]Actually most don't even pretend to be. But the rare nimpho can't hide her nature, hang to them if you can find one.
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[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1497640]Walking Street fight I caught two nights ago:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3L_t7QQDQc&feature=youtu.be[/url][/QUOTE]Lucifer must be a good venue for catfigths. Time ago a friend of a friend had one but The only result was a bruised cheek or so. Unlike the falang-thai confrontation where the cowards are just waiting to break a bottle or stick on your head from behind. Remember, don't ever fight Thais, but if you do, keep a wall behind you.
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[QUOTE=New Old Guy;1502019]Actually most don't even pretend to be. But the rare nimpho can't hide her nature, hang to them if you can find one.[/QUOTE]The vast majority of guys (well over 95 percent) aren't interested in nymphs, couldn't keep up with them or handle them, only wanting a 5 minute release. Go longer than 10 minutes in SG & the girls start asking why you take so long.
Plenty of non nymph TGs are willing to service you in various ways or let you bang them for hours, though, if you make it worth their while. Even non nymph girls often enjoy sex in sex supressed LOS.
A beautiful busty PRC in SG kept saying "quickly" & I kept on nodding in agreement, repeating the word back to her & banging for half an hour with no intention of "finishing". I suppose like many TGs she felt it was her duty to make me cum. A ST could get me a week or two & many hours of humping under the rule of one shot.
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Coconut Bar / freelancers
Does anyone know where the freelancers are now that they have taken to selling all of that crap on the ocean side of Beach road? Any information would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Johnnie
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[QUOTE=JohnnieBravo; 1502259]Does anyone know where the freelancers are now that they have taken to selling all of that crap on the ocean side of Beach road? Any information would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Johnnie[/QUOTE]Which ocean? That is the Gulf of Thailand. Where are they, I don't know, but isn't a great loss.
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[QUOTE=JohnnieBravo; 1502259]Does anyone know where the freelancers are now that they have taken to selling all of that crap on the ocean side of Beach road? Any information would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Johnnie[/QUOTE]It's over tonite. Sunday or maybe Monday it should be biz as usual. Until New Years week. But they are out there you just have to look around mostly on the side opposite of the water / beach. It's a great loss to me and a lot of other guys.
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A loss in is
[QUOTE=JesseJames;1502342]It's over tonite. Sunday or maybe Monday it should be biz as usual. Until New Years week. But they are out there you just have to look around mostly on the side opposite of the water / beach. It's a great loss to me and a lot of other guys.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the update Jesse. Unlike some on here apparently, I agree that cheap pussy is always a loss. It is very useful in augmenting my mongering budget. This really sucks as I was not going to be here more than just a few days.
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[QUOTE=New Old Guy;1502327]Which ocean? That is the Gulf of Thailand. Where are they, I don't know, but isn't a great loss.[/QUOTE]Speak for yourself. They're the only part of Pattaya that interests me.
I was last there just a couple of weeks ago and things were fairly normal along the beach other than the usual police crackdowns. Has the selling nonsense started up again along there?
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[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1502211]The vast majority of guys (well over 95 percent) aren't interested in nymphs, couldn't keep up with them or handle them, only wanting a 5 minute release. Go longer than 10 minutes in SG & the girls start asking why you take so long.[/QUOTE]Speak for yourself. Everybody want to have an orgasm if if its possible, even working girls (in my experience). If you hit that spot, then you've HIT THAT SPOT. Then nature takes over and she just has to let it happen. Again, my experience. Even in Geylang.
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[QUOTE=Opebo; 1502460]Speak for yourself. They're the only part of Pattaya that interests me.
I was last there just a couple of weeks ago and things were fairly normal along the beach other than the usual police crackdowns. Has the selling nonsense started up again along there?[/QUOTE]If there were no girls on Beach Road I wouldn't go to Pattaya at all.
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[QUOTE=Naked Gunz;1502988]Speak for yourself. Everybody want to have an orgasm if if its possible, even working girls (in my experience). If you hit that spot, then you've HIT THAT SPOT. Then nature takes over and she just has to let it happen. Again, my experience. Even in Geylang.[/QUOTE]IMO that would be the exception to the rule, particularly with Geylang girls doing 10, 20 or more guys a night.
Hookers will often act like they're having an orgasm or enjoying sex, but this is almost always a facade in order to make the guy come quickly, get onto the next customer & consequently make more money. If the girl is a half decent actress, how would you know the difference.
Personally I'm not interested in cumming in 5 minutes with a momentary orgasm, but banging away in ecstasy for hours at a time. Far more pleasure & satisfaction that way, but it takes some training & discipline.
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[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1502211]The vast majority of guys (well over 95 percent) aren't interested in nymphs, couldn't keep up with them or handle them, only wanting a [u]5 minute release[/u]. Go longer than 10 minutes in SG & the girls start asking why you take so long.[/QUOTE]Really? I thought this was the stereotype about non-western guys. The number one complaint one hears from working girls in Thailand is that 'farang go on too long', even more than the 'too big' complaint (also common).
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Back to Normal.
The festival where they allowed them to sell all of that stuff on Beach Road has ended thank goodness. To celebrate I took two pretty attractive women back to my hotel from Beach Road. It never ceases to amaze me how kind every lady has been and how willing they are to please; every bit as good as their bar girl sisters for less money. These ladies wanted 700 bht. But they were both so very awesome in their efforts working to please that I gave them each $1000 bht. As they were both well worth it.
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[QUOTE=Opebo;1503234]Really? I thought this was the stereotypbe about non-western guys. The number one complaint one hears from working girls in Thailand is that 'farang go on too long', even more than the 'too big' complaint (also common).[/QUOTE]Most often heard from street walkers selling a cheap quickie, the type which quite a few members seem to appreciate here.
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[QUOTE=JohnnieBravo;1503241]every bit as good as their bar girl sisters for less money.[/QUOTE]There are usually one and the same since you will find coconut bar girls migrate to the bars / clubs later in the evening. That's when I like to jam them up when they want more than 700 inside.
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[quote=opebo;1503234]really? i thought this was the stereotype about non-western guys. the number one complaint one hears from working girls in thailand is that 'farang go on too long', even more than the 'too big' complaint (also common).[/quote]from reading this site over the years i haven't noticed any guys saying tgs complain about them taking too long, although i recall a few mentioning remarks about being too big. although tgs tend not to complain or say no to customer requests. it's a face saving thing.
if they think you are too big or taking too long, they can say they have to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url], hurt, have men or must go tend to sick water buffalo.
the foul smell of a sweating farang body is, i suggest, of more concern to them than the duration of humping. they aim to please, but stink is one thing they are sensitive to. so change from mish to doggy or keep a perfume bottle handy or resume the session after showers if she mentions being "hot".
any thoughts of taking too long are likely nuked if they know you will compensate them accordingly.
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[QUOTE=Naked Gunz;1503464]There are usually one and the same since you will find coconut bar girls migrate to the bars / clubs later in the evening. That's when I like to jam them up when they want more than 700 inside.[/QUOTE]Ladies in most bars and clubs have to pay insulting high prices for drinks, unlike Hollywood in Patong where they are given at least a free wetting. So it is fair that they demand a little more.
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[QUOTE=New Old Guy;1503480]Ladies in most bars and clubs have to pay insulting high prices for drinks, unlike Hollywood in Patong where they are given at least a free wetting. So it is fair that they demand a little more.[/QUOTE]Funny thing is they never have a problem paying for said drinks and on many occasions girls I know buy me drinks as well. Don't forget there are farang / Thai prices for certain drinks too. A friend of mine called herself buying drinks for me and a wingman a couple of months ago. She was shocked when the bill came with the farang price. That is why if I want to buy a girl a drink I slide her 100 baht and let her order it and pay for it herself.
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[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1503477]Although TGs tend not to complain or say no to customer requests. It's a face saving thing.[/quote]Again, totally opposite to my experience. I find that the vast majority of girls complain a lot, and don't provide much good service or acquiesce to requests. The rare ones that do are 'keepers'.
[quote]The foul smell of a sweating farang body is, I suggest, of more concern to them than the duration of humping. They aim to please, but stink is one thing they are sensitive to. So change from mish to doggy or keep a perfume bottle handy or resume the session after showers if she mentions being "hot".[/quote]Don't be silly. One always showers before any sexual encounter in Thailand - the girls [i]require[/i] it (though in my case I would do it anyway) - and one always fornicates in cold air-conditioning. So, I'm not sure why one would 'sweat'. I come from a farang country where very high levels of personal cleanliness are de rigeur. Frequent showering and applications of deodorant. I've never heard any girl complaining of being 'hot' (usually they complain I keep the air-con too cold). They specifically complain that the sex is too long in duration and the penis is too large for their vagina or anus, both factors leading to damage or discomfort.
In my experience the majority of Thai working girls are very picky and demanding. Apparently we meet different girls. The precious few I do meet that don't mind (or even apparently enjoy) a 'proper good hard f*k' or full-sized equipment are worthy of frequent repeat visits.
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[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1503612]Funny thing is they never have a problem paying for said drinks and on many occasions girls I know buy me drinks as well. Don't forget there are farang / Thai prices for certain drinks too. A friend of mine called herself buying drinks for me and a wingman a couple of months ago. She was shocked when the bill came with the farang price. That is why if I want to buy a girl a drink I slide her 100 baht and let her order it and pay for it herself.[/QUOTE]In most places the prices are the same. I say that because out of curiosity I watched the bill come and notes change hands. Some girls may not have a problem spending but for the average looking ones that is 99% of them the only reasonable investment is a single drink otherwise losses would be mounting quicky. When you see them drunk is because they shared a cheap bottle with the posse at another place.
BTW yesterday a waiter at walking street pub tried to stiff me of the change. When I asked her about she angrly pushed it in my hand. Only because this latter attitude I reported her to the manager.
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[QUOTE=Opebo; 1503631]Again, totally opposite to my experience. I find that the vast majority of girls complain a lot, and don't provide much good service or acquiesce to requests. The rare ones that do are 'keepers'.
Don't be silly. One always showers before any sexual encounter in Thailand. The girls [i]require[/i] It (though in my case I would do it anyway). And one always fornicates in cold air-conditioning. So, I'm not sure why one would 'sweat'. I come from a farang country where very high levels of personal cleanliness are de rigeur. Frequent showering and applications of deodorant. I've never heard any girl complaining of being 'hot' (usually they complain I keep the air-con too cold). They specifically complain that the sex is too long in duration and the penis is too large for their vagina or anus, both factors leading to damage or discomfort.
In my experience the majority of Thai working girls are very picky and demanding. Apparently we meet different girls. The precious few I do meet that don't mind (or even apparently enjoy) a 'proper good hard f*k' or full-sized equipment are worthy of frequent repeat visits.[/QUOTE]That explains a lot.
I guess the difference is that I don't require or want anal which over 95 percent of girls dislike.
Moreover neither am I big or a hard banger, so not going to hurt her or rip her open as a few girls have told me happened to them with other farangs.
Furthermore I don't freeze them to death with aircon, as TGs dislike the cold. So after 30 to 60 minutes of mish I am going to be sweaty & may even smell my own stink, which means she smells it 5 times as bad. Having had showers beforehand & using deodorant won't spare you from that after such a workout of sexercise.
Also I tend to seldom take new untried ladies but stick to "keepers" & pay them well, all of which serves to create happy non complaining sessions the vast majority of the time.
Ninety percent of the time I wouldn't repeat with P4P TGs. Not because they complain a lot, because they don't relative to Western women, & are comparatively submissive shy & compliant. Generally they have more on their menu, especially as regards dirtier practices like BBBJ, DATO & BBFS.
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[QUOTE=New Old Guy;1503480]Ladies in most bars and clubs have to pay insulting high prices for drinks, unlike Hollywood in Patong where they are given at least a free wetting. So it is fair that they demand a little more.[/QUOTE]Fine YOU can think about fair. Is it fair if she turns out to be a runner? Fair if she does not tell you she is on her period? Fair if she is a starfish? Nice guys finish last.
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Aussie? Drink free!
I have about AUD 20 in coins that I can't exchange here. Buy these from me for the baht price you want and hang out if you want. PM your no. Offer expires 8/12.
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OK strange question.
Probably one of the most random questions on here, but does anyone know where I could buy a guitar in Pattaya? .
JohnTheScot
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[QUOTE=Johnthescot; 1504961]Probably one of the most random questions on here, but does anyone know where I could buy a guitar in Pattaya? .
JohnTheScot[/QUOTE]The closes shop I can think of unless you want to drive down Sukhumvit heading to Jomtien opposite the Outlet Mall?
There is a guitar shop near Big C, Central. If you go up 2nd road and just past the Big C, the is a Soi? That is the upper level of the the parking lot for Big C, there is a entrance for motorbike parking across from that entrance is the GUITAR SHOP.
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[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1504970]The closes shop I can think of unless you want to drive down Sukhumvit heading to Jomtien opposite the Outlet Mall?
There is a guitar shop near Big C, Central. If you go up 2nd road and just past the Big C, the is a Soi? That is the upper level of the the parking lot for Big C, there is a entrance for motorbike parking across from that entrance is the GUITAR SHOP.[/QUOTE]Brilliant. Thanks mate.
John
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[QUOTE=Johnthescot; 1504974]Brilliant. Thanks mate.
John[/QUOTE]LittleBigMan, not been on site for 3 years since my last trip but you are still a legend on here. Would love to buy you a beer sometime.
John
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[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1503612]Funny thing is they never have a problem paying for said drinks and on many occasions girls I know buy me drinks as well. Don't forget there are farang / Thai prices for certain drinks too. A friend of mine called herself buying drinks for me and a wingman a couple of months ago. She was shocked when the bill came with the farang price. That is why if I want to buy a girl a drink I slide her 100 baht and let her order it and pay for it herself.[/QUOTE]Good call. I've had girls tell me to do same. Give them the money and they order their own drinks. Can't really get them to do yours too though as that will really [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] bar off. Cool when you get a girl like that that's trying to look after you. Guess if you are a decent guy and look after them then a lot of them will do the same back.
JohnTheScot
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That's it
I still have three nights before leaving but the balance can be seen and is grim. I stayed a total of six weeks interrupted by a business trip, during this entire time I had nothing that really worth it. Things have dramatically changed from only two or three years ago. Peak experience was two shags with the isaan nympho before her new guy, owner of a very popular night club, found out. All the rest was at most mediocre, with all the variations, from the blowjob refusal, to the analphabet yaba taker, all that within the strict bounds of modest looks, despite my efforts. What must be remarked is that apparently even ugly fat old women do not have too much problem in getting a customer. I will spare the details, no story is really worth to be told. The most I paid was 1500 to a girl that really did her best.
The only alternative way that I can think of would have been to visit a different gogo bar every night as early as possibls (good ones get barfined quickly) , making no issue of money, and hoping to find a repeatable one to stick with. Unfortunately I cannot see myself betting some thousand dollars on such an experiment, even if in hindsight it would have made more sense.
Conclusion, it's time to move on. I'm not bothered by having to go home this time.
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Ripoffs
Going to Pattaya for the first time, and I know that the city is packed with agogos. Everbody has its own favourite, but which agogos are well known ripoffs to been avoid?
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Pattaya Go Go's
What do you mean by "agogos [that] are well known ripoffs"? If you mean high price bars that's one thing, but if you mean bars where bills are padded or where girls have a history of not performing that is entirely different. For example, Whats Up is a very expensive Go Go, but I don't consider it a ripoff bar because they do not conceal their prices and the place has some very beautiful girls and a good party atmosphere. I like What's Up and when I chose to go there I know it is going to be an expensive night, but I also know it is going to be a great night. On the other hand, rippoff bars where something shady is going on, sorry, I can't help you because I do not know of any.
Here is a short list of quality Go Go's. Prices vary as well as quality of the girls. I am not saying you are going to like every one of these bars. Your tastes and my tastes probably differ. Great girls leave bars and new girls are always being added to the lineup. I suggest you conduct a barhop on your first couple of nights in town and discover for yourself which bars you like the best. The thrill is in the hunt.
Baccara, Airport, Babydolls, What's up, Happy, Sapphire, Heavens Above, Angelwitch, Super Girl, Living Dolls Showcase, Windmill, Queen Club, and Champagne
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[QUOTE=Marcos; 1505109]I still have three nights before leaving but the balance can be seen and is grim. I stayed a total of six weeks interrupted by a business trip, during this entire time I had nothing that really worth it. Things have dramatically changed from only two or three years ago. Peak experience was two shags with the isaan nympho before her new guy, owner of a very popular night club, found out. All the rest was at most mediocre, with all the variations, from the blowjob refusal, to the analphabet yaba taker, all that within the strict bounds of modest looks, despite my efforts. What must be remarked is that apparently even ugly fat old women do not have too much problem in getting a customer. I will spare the details, no story is really worth to be told. The most I paid was 1500 to a girl that really did her best.
The only alternative way that I can think of would have been to visit a different gogo bar every night as early as possibls (good ones get barfined quickly) , making no issue of money, and hoping to find a repeatable one to stick with. Unfortunately I cannot see myself betting some thousand dollars on such an experiment, even if in hindsight it would have made more sense.
Conclusion, it's time to move on. I'm not bothered by having to go home this time.[/QUOTE]You have summed up P4P in Thailand, not just Pattaya.
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[QUOTE=Marcos; 1505109]Things have dramatically changed from only two or three years ago. [snip] most mediocre, with all the variations, from the blowjob refusal, to the analphabet yaba taker, all that within the strict bounds of modest looks, despite my efforts. What must be remarked is that apparently even ugly fat old women do not have too much problem in getting a customer. I will spare the details, no story is really worth to be told. The most I paid was 1500 to a girl that really did her best.
The only alternative way that I can think of would have been to visit a different gogo bar every night as early as possibls (good ones get barfined quickly) , making no issue of money, and hoping to find a repeatable one to stick with. Unfortunately I cannot see myself betting some thousand dollars on such an experiment, even if in hindsight it would have made more sense.
Conclusion, it's time to move on. I'm not bothered by having to go home this time.[/QUOTE]Wow! This is a real gloom and doom report. I hope you don't mind if I remain skeptical. I always seem to find fun girls in Pattaya. But then I am willing to pay the market rate which is now 2000bt ST for a Go Go girl and considerably less for a Soi Six bar girl. I was never much interested in Coconut FL's although I like to walk Beach Road every night to see who is out and about. Anyway, I will be back in LOS in mid March so I will see for myself what is going on. By the way, the Bhat keeps falling which is good. I see it is now 32. 35 per dollar. When I was last in Thailand it was 29. 85 per dollar. Every little bit helps.
Marcos, the only thing I can say to you is, if you are unhappy with things in Thailand, maybe it is time for you to consider a trip to the PI. I started going to the PI in 2011. It was great. I now make it a regular part of my itinerary every time I swing through South East Asia. The girls are not quite as pretty as Thai girls (on average) , but they sure are friendly as in GFE. It is remarkable and palpable their difference from Thai girls. And Makati excepted, prices are very user friendly. Yeah, don't hesitate. Check it out. But remember, in order to receive great service you have to treat the girls nice and make them feel good to be with you. Another bonus to visiting the PI is that their beaches are better and less touristy than Thai beaches. I am talking about places like Sabang, Port Barton, and El Nido, Palawan. It's simple; find a good girl in AC or Subic and take her with you to the beach for a little holiday.
NB
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Good Trip
I recently returned from a 2 1/2 month stay in Thailand. One month was living with a Thai lady in her home in Bangkok, but that's another story. I was inspired to write after reading Marcos' report. I am not going to write every detail, but will add a few experiences.
My time in Pattaya was great. I had many ladies and not one on this trip was a disappointment. The only thing I did not like was the weather. The worst I have experienced in Thailand in all my trips. Keeping in mind that I arrived about mid Sept and left near the end of November (Sept & Oct being the months with most rain).
One day I was walking down 2nd Road and saw this lady with beautiful legs. This was about 8:30 am. I believe the bar was Irish Rover. If you walked up soi 12 from Beach Road and crossed 2nd Road you would be close to the bar. I went to Au Bon Pan for breakfast and then walked back to the bar with legs in it. When I arrived she was sitting at the bar eating, so I got a drink and when she finished eating she walked around and I asked if she wanted to play pool which she did. The lady behind the bar asks me if I want to bar fine her. This is before 9:00 am. I said maybe and kept playing pool. The lady I'm playing pool with speaks very little English, so communicating is difficult at best. The other lady keeps trying to get me to bar fine this gal and I'm planning to do it, but it is early. I then ask how much for bar fine and she says 300 B. She then tells me that some pay 1000. 1500 for LT with the lady. Now this lady has on a mini skirt and those legs just keep getting my attention so I said that I would give her 1000 for LT and if she did a good job I would tip her. I pay bar fine and legs (I don't remember her name) and I head for my room.
Get back to the room and after cleaning up hit the bed for some very fine sexercise. This lady can't speak much English, but she made up for it in the sack. I was not at all disappointed with her. Now I had her for the rest of the day and all night. Slept for awhile and went to C. F. To MK for lunch and killed some time in there and back to the room. She had a Thai / English phrase book with her and she was reading it and using it to communicate with me. To make this shorter, there was more activity in bed and again the next morning and when she was ready to leave she opened the book and showed me where it said "it was very nice to meet you". The feeling was mutual. What a sweet lady.
Was walking down soi Buakao and one lady standing out front of her bar was asking me to come in. I decided to check her out. She was kind of young maybe 24. She wanted me to bar fine her and I was not really sure if I wanted to, but in the end I did. The problem was she couldn't speak much English either. Oh well. 300 B bf and 1000 LT and back to the room we go. Same same, clean up and into the bed. She was another fine choice as she took care of me with nice BBBJ and good sex. No issues with kissing and no attitude at all.
She told me she was looking for a BF. I told her I am too old and she says no, I like older men. She is using her phone to translate as she doesn't know much English and I don't know much Thai. I think she really thought I would be interested, but in the morning after another great session, I just walked her to the door and handed her the money as she left.
One thing I noticed this trip more than before was the number of ladies looking for boy friends. They want to get out of the bar thing. I met a lot of ladies and not just the ones I took to my room who either hinted or outright asked if I was looking for a girlfriend. Maybe since it was toward the end of low season and a dry spell for them as there were fewer customers or maybe I really am a hansum man. It really was brought up more than any previous trips.
I took numerous ladies from Beach Road and other bars, but one B. R. Lady really stood out. She was not the most beautiful, but was attractive and was hot in bed. Her name is Jane. Maybe some of you ran into her. She said she is from Bangkok and said she was on vacation. She also told me what she does for a living, but no way could I verify it or did I even care. She also told me something I didn't know and that is there is a pool on the roof of Mike's Shopping Mall. She said you can use the pool all day for 100 Baht. If you have a room with no pool and you want to swim, there is an option.
Now Jane is a hot lady. I usually don't cum quickly. Of course there are exceptions to that. However I sometimes just quit cause the lady had enough and I know it will be awhile before I can finish. With that I was banging away on Jane and she finished and then I finished and I was thinking of going to sleep soon and then Jane starts playing with my dick and then starts going down on me again. This was within 15 minutes of me just banging her. This lady is 40 years old and has an 18 year old son in college. I was dead tired from walking all over Pattaya as I usually do, so I just wanted to sleep. She was really disappointed and I said in the morning and I rolled over and went to sleep. In the morning Jane was ready to go. She is playing with my dick and sucking it and of course I was ready to go as I love morning sex. That is why I do mostly LTs.
There were more ladies and also trips to Philippines and Cambodia for visa runs. I even took my Thai lady from Bangkok to Cambodia with me. That was an experience. I also have come to like Bangkok much more than before as I had a great time there before and after my time with the Thai lady I was with for a month. I may write a report later on those experiences in the other forums.
There is a Lab in Pattaya I used that does various blood tests. You can get cholesterol testing and many other tests including STD tests. If you are thinking about a GF, you may want to go there to get her tested or get yourself tested if you are concerned about anything. They even do the HIV DNA by PCR test for 3000 B. I would assume cheaper than the hospital and more private, but never had any tests done at the hospital. Although they send out those samples. Much more expensive here for that.
The lab is between 2nd Road and Beach Road. If you are on soi 6 and walking towards 2nd Road go left and at the 7/11 go left. Follow that little alley until you come to an opening where you will see what once may have been a water fountain. Keep left and you will see a number of shops on the left. Go to the last one and that is the lab. From there you can continue down to Beach Road.
The only thing they ask for is your name and age and they don't ask for any kind of verification. You can also call for results or email (I wouldn't). They will also give you documented results if you want. Syph and Gon cost 100 B each and results are in an hour. I think the HIV quick test is 400 B. Herp, I think is 700.
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[QUOTE=Hobbyist2; 1505274]I recently returned from a 2 1/2 month stay in Thailand.
She told me she was looking for a BF. I told her I am too old and she says no, I like older men.
One thing I noticed this trip more than before was the number of ladies looking for boy friends. They want to get out of the bar thing.
There is a Lab in Pattaya I used that does various blood tests. [/quote]
With all respect for the legitimate wishes of those ladies (any lady would like to get out of the P4P scene unless she rates the sex side of it as a priority) I think they are looking more for an escape route and a financial set down routine, rather than a boyfriend.
How can one think to hook up as boy / girl friends after a couple of hours of mutual knowledge in the bed (reached through money being paid and received). Doesn't have to be a love book romance, but usually a boy / girlfriend relationship happens after sometime the two know each other. Not after a BF and LT affair. With difficult communications too.
Good info on the lab.
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In short, when a Thai hooker (and many regular Thai women) says she wants a boyfriend she means a guy to take care of her. If you keep going and ask what does taking care of them entail they will tell you making sure they and their family have everything they need. So, to them a boyfriend means some guy who gives them money on a regular basis. It has nothing to do with the western lovey-dovey sense of girlfriend-boyfriend.
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[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1505299]In short, when a Thai hooker (and many regular Thai women) says she wants a boyfriend she means a guy to take care of her. If you keep going and ask what does taking care of them entail they will tell you making sure they and their family have everything they need. So, to them a boyfriend means some guy who gives them money on a regular basis. It has nothing to do with the western lovey-dovey sense of girlfiend-boyfriend.[/QUOTE]Exactly, you summed it up!
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[QUOTE=BionicMan; 1505287]With all respect for the legitimate wishes of those ladies (any lady would like to get out of the P4P scene unless she rates the sex side of it as a priority) I think they are looking more for an escape route and a financial set down routine, rather than a boyfriend.
How can one think to hook up as boy / girl friends after a couple of hours of mutual knowledge in the bed (reached through money being paid and received). Doesn't have to be a love book romance, but usually a boy / girlfriend relationship happens after sometime the two know each other. Not after a BF and LT affair. With difficult communications too.[/QUOTE]I usually don't try to rationalize Thai logic, but I have asked some of the ladies what they want in a boyfriend. My take in most cases from what they tell me is the boyfriend to some BGs means you take care of me and I take care of you. The boyfriend provides the financial part. That would include her kids if any and maybe even the parents. The lady provides sex and cooking and cleaning. That is about all she has to offer. Whether there is real love or not on their part is another issue. Especially when a twenty something lady hooks up with a guy pushing sixty or even older. How long it lasts is another issue.
Every time I am in the P4P scene, I notice the ladies situation. Many times begging for customers. Most of the time going with complete strangers they have no interest in and doing all kinds of sex acts with them. The better looking ones have more choices, but the older ones usually get stuck with the less desirable customers. Of course there are exceptions. With that for a life and to look forward everyday to that, it doesn't surprise me that a BG would want a "boyfriend" who she may barely know. They are not looking at it the way westerners do. Of course not every man they meet is one who they would want for a boyfriend.
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[QUOTE=Hobbyist2; 1505305]I usually don't try to rationalize Thai logic, but I have asked some of the ladies what they want in a boyfriend. My take in most cases from what they tell me is the boyfriend to some BGs means you take care of me and I take care of you. The boyfriend provides the financial part. That would include her kids if any and maybe even the parents. The lady provides sex and cooking and cleaning. That is about all she has to offer. Whether there is real love or not on their part is another issue. Especially when a twenty something lady hooks up with a guy pushing sixty or even older. How long it lasts is another issue.
Every time I am in the P4P scene, I notice the ladies situation. Many times begging for customers. Most of the time going with complete strangers they have no interest in and doing all kinds of sex acts with them. The better looking ones have more choices, but the older ones usually get stuck with the less desirable customers. Of course there are exceptions. With that for a life and to look forward everyday to that, it doesn't surprise me that a BG would want a "boyfriend" who she may barely know. They are not looking at it the way westerners do. Of course not every man they meet is one who they would want for a boyfriend.[/QUOTE]I was writing the above post while you guys posted yours. I think we are on the same page.
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Hobbyst2, your is a well written report with good information. I had never knew about breakfast time barfines, but then again I don't know squat about bars. You have also paid very little. Good that Pattaya has worked for you.
Irony just as I had finished writing, the lost nympho unexpectedly called, we'll see if she can deliver a solid farewell. If not, mai pen rai.
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Rasputin
Visited Rasputin massage today in the afternoon. Perhaps was a bit early in the day because there were only around 20 girls in the line up. Selected a girl with good racks and paid the 2000 BT fee. She led me to the room which was clean and she started preparing the tub for soapy. Nice rub but strangely she did not allow me to fondle her much and kept my hands away. Not a good sign and anyways I enjoyed the soapy. Moving on to the bed, she gave a mechanical BBBJ and even here was resisting my hand when I tried to touch her boobs! Did cowgirl, missionary and doggy when I finished. The girl had good tight body but the attitude was crap and that spoilt the pleasure. I think most of the girls in soapies have the same attitude as I had experienced the same in Honey's massage in my previous trip.
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[QUOTE=Member #2635;1505425]Visited Rasputin massage today in the afternoon. Perhaps was a bit early in the day because there were only around 20 girls in the line up. Selected a girl with good racks and paid the 2000 BT fee. She led me to the room which was clean and she started preparing the tub for soapy. Nice rub but strangely she did not allow me to fondle her much and kept my hands away. Not a good sign and anyways I enjoyed the soapy. Moving on to the bed, she gave a mechanical BBBJ and even here was resisting my hand when I tried to touch her boobs! Did cowgirl, missionary and doggy when I finished. The girl had good tight body but the attitude was crap and that spoilt the pleasure. I think most of the girls in soapies have the same attitude as I had experienced the same in Honey's massage in my previous trip.[/QUOTE]Try this next time, at the very first sign of attitude get up and get dressed, demand another girl or refund.
It will teach fhe girl a lesson and renew your chances of a normal session.
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Go Go Bars to Avoid
There is at least one go go bar on Walking Street that claims to have Russian girls, or girls from Eastern Europe, or some other kind of girls that are not Thai. While there may, in fact, be girls in there who are not Thai the bar is a rip off. I recommend avoiding that bar, and any other advertising non-Thai girls.
Bunky
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[QUOTE=Bunky; 1505553]. While there may, in fact, be girls in there who are not Thai the bar is a rip off. I recommend avoiding that bar, and any other advertising non-Thai girls.
Bunky[/QUOTE]Wondering why rip off bars and Russian girls often pair. Seems common in other towns too. Is the "management" Thai only or they have a JV with Russian fleet suppliers, so that to give everyone a slice of the cake they need to rip off customers?
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Avoid "Russian" GGs: Galaxy, Moulin Rouge, etc
[QUOTE=Bunky; 1505553]There is at least one go go bar on Walking Street that claims to have Russian girls, or girls from Eastern Europe, or some other kind of girls that are not Thai. While there may, in fact, be girls in there who are not Thai the bar is a rip off. I recommend avoiding that bar, and any other advertising non-Thai girls.
Bunky[/QUOTE]- They tend to be upstairs and are easy to identify: they have "Russian" welcome girls / touts, and they have a white girl dancing in the window.
- They're eastern European women (Ukraine, Uzbekistan.). If you still want to go in there, your drink will be expensive (B 300?) , you'll be pressured in to buying pricey LDs (B 500?) and if you pay the steep BF for a lady, there's no guarantee she'll fornicate. She'll have dinner / drinks / spend your money but probably won't do BJs / FS.
- If any one must hook up with a white working girl in Patts, walk BR (Beach Road) about between 8 pm and 10:30 and they'll be a few white FLs (freelancers).
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[QUOTE=Opebo;1503631]In my experience the majority of Thai working girls are very picky and demanding.[/QUOTE]This has become a bit of a new trend within the last 2-3 years.
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[QUOTE=BionicMan;1505564]Wondering why rip off bars and Russian girls often pair. Seems common in other towns too. Is the "management" Thai only or they have a JV with Russian fleet suppliers, so that to give everyone a slice of the cake they need to rip off customers?[/QUOTE]Russian mafia is very strong in Pattaya and Phuket. They know how to run businesses and extract money from mid easterners, that are the typical preys for these establishments. Stay away.
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Totally agree
[QUOTE=Bunky; 1505553]There is at least one go go bar on Walking Street that claims to have Russian girls, or girls from Eastern Europe, or some other kind of girls that are not Thai. While there may, in fact, be girls in there who are not Thai the bar is a rip off. I recommend avoiding that bar, and any other advertising non-Thai girls.
Bunky[/QUOTE]Having lived several years in Russia and Ukraine, I must say, the girls in this gogo are 3'Road choice, which is already a compliment for them. But the prices are first class.
I tried this gogo in September, just being curious, and to compare with my experience, and have to say:
Keep out!
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[QUOTE=Amex Spg;1505623]- If any one must hook up with a white working girl in Patts, walk BR (Beach Road) about between 8 pm and 10:30 and they'll be a few white FLs (freelancers).[/QUOTE]Some hotels will not charge a joiner fee for Thai national ladies, but will charge a joiner fee for farong ladies that are not registered guests. YMMV and you should ask their policy first so as not to be surprised in the heat of the moment.
SunLover
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Devil's Den
After reading several good reports (mostly elsewhere) I visited Devil's Den last night. Friendly owner, good selection of girls, well kitted out rooms (with love swing in every one that doubles as a bondage device should you so choose). I picked on girl from the right side of the line (which indicates the possibility of A levels). I asked her to pick the second and to my surprise she picked the girl I would have picked.
Ninety minute threesome in a room with mirrors on the ceiling and walls and with the girls bringing an extensive bag full of toys. Vibes, plugs strap-ons, ties, blindfolds etc. We pretty much worked our way through the whole set. Damage 3600 Baht. Not cheap. But to make so many fantasies come true in one session. And without having to listen to either of the girls griping on about their 'issues'. Well worth it. Probably will repeat. But only as an occasional treat.
They have a web site if you want to check it out yourself.
Ripple
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[QUOTE=Amjeck;1505715]This has become a bit of a new trend within the last 2-3 years.[/QUOTE]More like the last decade or so, in my experience. But in general I think Asian girls have always been a lot less accommodating than Western girls.
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[QUOTE=Opebo;1506389]More like the last decade or so, in my experience. But in general I think Asian girls have always been a lot less accommodating than Western girls.[/QUOTE]Where did you get that strange idea? Isn't the success of Asian women just because they are [b]very[/b] accommodating?
All the non-pro Asian women I met ended in bed with me on the first date. I never had that success with non Asians.
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[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht; 1506394]Where did you get that strange idea? Isn't the success of Asian women just because they are [b]very[/b] Accommodating?
All the non-pro Asian women I met ended in bed with me on the first date. I never had that success with non Asians.[/QUOTE]Just the opposite for me. With non-pros (educated middle class girls) that I have rarely gotten involved with, sexual interactions took a long time to occur. Thailand is a very conservative place. With American girls it was [i]right away[/i], within a week of dating at most.
With pros in America, they were extremely 'capable'. Asian girls are mostly just slimmer and cheaper, plus there's no danger of getting busted by the cops. They're certainly not better in bed on average.
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[QUOTE=Opebo; 1506701]Just the opposite for me. With non-pros (educated middle class girls) that I have rarely gotten involved with, sexual interactions took a long time to occur. Thailand is a very conservative place. With American girls it was [i]right away[/i], within a week of dating at most.
With pros in America, they were extremely 'capable'. Asian girls are mostly just slimmer and cheaper, plus there's no danger of getting busted by the cops. They're certainly not better in bed on average.[/QUOTE]I don't know if Asian non-pros are better than American pros "on average" or otherwise, as I have never been with an American pro. All I can add is that with non pros and pros alike in Asia I had good fun.
Which goes just to prove that all our stories here are purely anecdotal and "YMMV" rules!
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[quote=opebo;1506701]with pros in america, they were extremely 'capable'. asian girls are mostly just slimmer and cheaper, plus there's no danger of getting busted by the cops. they're certainly not better in bed on average.[/quote]american girls are bigger, hence have larger holes, so more "capable" of performing sex acts for you big guys without being hurt or seriously damaged.
american girls. plastic baggie freaks.
american girls. feminist attitudes.
asian girls & cops. mongers busted in vietnam for illegal cohabitation. in pi working together a false [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] scam on punters.
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[quote=pinkpearl; 1507078]american girls are bigger, hence have larger holes, so more "capable" of performing sex acts for you big guys without being hurt or seriously damaged.
american girls. plastic baggie freaks.
american girls. feminist attitudes.
asian girls & cops. mongers busted in vietnam for illegal cohabitation. in pi working together a false [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] scam on punters.[/quote]i beg to differ. american girls come in all shapes, sizes, shades of color. many have extremely tight pussies just like asian girls. a good percentage have bigger boobs. so naturally bigger they are droopier they become as they age. american girls like to experiment unlike asian girls. lots of american girls are into kinky sex. do not mind having sex in public as well as unusual places. more affectionate in public. even feminist girls love sex.
as for prostitutes in usa they also come in different sizes and shapes and colors. not all are drug addicted. only if you go for sw in cheap neighborhoods they tend to be dirty. there are plenty of college girls looking for extra money. nowadays with online chats it is not difficult to connect. these tend to be cleaner. only problem is most if not all of them require condom sex. even if you are casually dating girls they want condom sex.
advantage in asia countries is bare backing is normal.
scams are everywhere in the world. just need to be careful.
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[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1507078]American girls are bigger, hence have larger holes, so more "capable" of performing sex acts for you big guys without being hurt or seriously damaged.
American girls. Plastic baggie freaks.
American girls. Feminist attitudes.[/QUOTE]Sounds like you are sore because you have a hard time getting American girls.
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[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht; 1506875]I don't know if Asian non-pros are better than American pros "on average" or otherwise, as I have never been with an American pro. All I can add is that with non pros and pros alike in Asia I had good fun.
Which goes just to prove that all our stories here are purely anecdotal and "YMMV" rules![/QUOTE]The best sex I ever had was with a non pro American woman in the US. And I have been with a lot of different women from various countries. Having said that, no matter which women I have been with for sex, regardless of the country and as long as I didn't have to boot them out of my room, the worst one was wonderful. Well, at least the sex part.
You said it right, YMMV always applies.
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[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1507201]Sounds like you are sore because you have a hard time getting American girls.[/QUOTE]If I prefered American girls I'd still be in the frozen north getting them as easily as I used to get their neighbors.
Asia offers way more bang for the buck, better quality P4P experiences & cheaper living in general.
Year round summer in cheap spinner heaven Asia vs overpriced ugly-fat feminist America.
It's a no brainer.
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[QUOTE=Sammon; 1507179]I beg to differ. American girls come in all shapes, sizes, shades of color. Many have extremely tight pussies just like Asian girls. A good percentage have bigger boobs. So naturally bigger they are droopier they become as they age. American girls like to experiment unlike Asian girls. Lots of American girls are into kinky sex. Do not mind having sex in public as well as unusual places. More affectionate in Public. Even feminist girls love sex.
As for prostitutes in USA they also come in different sizes and shapes and colors. Not all are drug addicted. Only if you go for SW in cheap neighborhoods they tend to be dirty. There are plenty of college girls looking for extra money. Nowadays with online chats it is not difficult to connect. These tend to be cleaner. Only problem is most if not all of them require condom sex. Even if you are casually dating girls they want condom sex.
Advantage in Asia countries is bare backing is normal.
Scams are everywhere in the world. Just need to be careful.[/QUOTE]Of course American girls come in various sizes since, for example, many of them are of Asian descent. I didn't think my comment, in the context of P4P, needed to have it spelled out that it was speaking in general, of the overall average.
Re big tits I'd say 50 percent of the PRC P4P I've seen in SG have DDs or up & are bigger than the typical USA or Canadian woman. The sort of girl I consider slim, busty & beautiful (a stunner) is way more common in P4P in Asia than America. Americans are fat which I find repulsive.
As for kink & experimenting, my experience & research found that Asian P4P gals are much more likely than Westerners to be up for anything I'm interested in. No plastic baggie BJs & sex being amongst the most important.
"Because of its relation to "normal" sexual boundaries, which themselves vary by time and place, the definition of what is and is not kink varies widely as well. Practitioners are sometimes considered to be perverts by "outsiders." "
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kink_[/url]
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[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1507383]Of course American girls come in various sizes since, for example, many of them are of Asian descent. I didn't think my comment, in the context of P4P, needed to have it spelled out that it was speaking in general, of the overall average.
Re big tits I'd say 50 percent of the PRC P4P I've seen in SG have DDs or up & are bigger than the typical USA or Canadian woman. The sort of girl I consider slim, busty & beautiful (a stunner) is way more common in P4P in Asia than America. Americans are fat which I find repulsive.
As for kink & experimenting, my experience & research found that Asian P4P gals are much more likely than Westerners to be up for anything I'm interested in. No plastic baggie BJs & sex being amongst the most important.
"Because of its relation to "normal" sexual boundaries, which themselves vary by time and place, the definition of what is and is not kink varies widely as well. Practitioners are sometimes considered to be perverts by "outsiders." "
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kink_[/url][/QUOTE]I am not talking about girls of Asian descent. White american girls also come in various sizes, shapes and shades of color. Depends on from which part of the world their fore fathers came from and how mixed they became after being here. IMHO only few have big loose vagina like you said. Most of them have small tight pussy. Just because their body structure is big has no bearing of how tight their pussies are.
Generally good percentage of US girls have big boobs. In China only northern girls have big boobs. They tend to be more pretty also. Sichuan, Hubei girls are known for their beauty.
Yes, P4P is expensive in USA compared to many other countries. Prostitution is not tolerated. However can find P4P options easily if you have money to spend.
Yes, there are many fat girls in USA. It is true in Asian countries also these days. Mainly because of overall rich food people eat.
Generally Asian girls are not much into experimentation sex.
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Guys please, enough of the compare, this is the Thailand section not a compare section, can we please come back to the topic " Pattaya Reports "?
Thanks
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[QUOTE=Fawn The Guyver; 1507610]Guys please, enough of the compare, this is the Thailand section not a compare section, can we please come back to the topic " Pattaya Reports "?
Thanks[/QUOTE]What does "Fawn The Guyver" mean?
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I mean the othere posts all about US woman here and US body there.
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Changes
change is everywhere of course. a few observations:
i am astounded by the decline of the established / old bj places "pumpstation" and "golden girls". i understand that sometimes in a bar there are up's and down's, but these two just went almost under."pumpstation" was even a place where i spent new year's eve some ten years ago, or so! no need to go there at all any more, price is high, ladies are unfriendly, there are no customers (go figure!) , and they closed the upstairs bar area. what's left is a terrible room with a bed.
"[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url]" has opened at the new location on a side street of soi buakhao. you need to turn where the "oasis a-go-go" is. this place is spanking new, the girls are fun, even the one from kon khaen who claimed that she started working just a few days ago. you could tell. prices are 200 tbh less than at ps and gg, and the performers are actually willing to perform. recommended, pleasant.
soi 6 is still rocking. i had so far an excellent time at friends bar you (three times, twice in the afternoon upstairs, great girl). yesterday i was pulled into a bar whose name i can't recall and had a great time.
one of my once favored a-go-go bar on walking st, champion-a-go-go, from where i took several great girls years ago, is now a place you want to avoid. the happy hour has ended, they started having a stupid banana and soda bottle performance every two hours, and the only attention you will get is if you look japanese and come in a group of more than two. big, big disappointment.
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[quote=frankfurter;1507766]"[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url]" has opened at the new location on a side street of soi buakhao. you need to turn where the "oasis a-go-go" is. this place is spanking new, the girls are fun, even the one from kon khaen who claimed that she started working just a few days ago. you could tell. prices are 200 tbh less than at ps and gg, and the performers are actually willing to perform. recommended, pleasant.[/quote]200thb less for what? from what? how much is bar fine? st? lt? please, be more specific.
want to check out in january, when i am back to pat.
i payed 500bht for a reasonbale st with a freelancer from beach road up to 4000+1500 (lt+barfine) for a top stunner from one of the gogos on walking street, beginning of october.
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[QUOTE=Frankfurter;1507766]One of my once favored A-go-go bar on Walking St, Champion-A-go-go, from where I took several great girls years ago, is now a place you want to avoid. The happy hour has ended, they started having a stupid banana and soda bottle performance every two hours, and the only attention you will get is if you look Japanese and come in a group of more than two. Big, big disappointment.[/QUOTE]Was in Champion earlier tonight and they do have the draft beer special for anyone who drinks. Told three different girls I did not want them to sit with me and I look nothing like Japanese and was not in any group so as always YMMV. Champion's girls are not the best lookers and not the type the Japanese males are drawn to. Bad as the sex show is, it is free but there are bars selling that same show. Many touts all over WS trying to get customers to go see their version of the sex show.
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[QUOTE=Sammon; 1507543]I am not talking about girls of Asian descent. White american girls also come in various sizes, shapes and shades of color. Depends on from which part of the world their fore fathers came from and how mixed they became after being here. IMHO only few have big loose vagina like you said. Most of them have small tight pussy. Just because their body structure is big has no bearing of how tight their pussies are.
Generally good percentage of US girls have big boobs. In China only northern girls have big boobs. They tend to be more pretty also. Sichuan, Hubei girls are known for their beauty.
Yes, P4P is expensive in USA compared to many other countries. Prostitution is not tolerated. However can find P4P options easily if you have money to spend.
Yes, there are many fat girls in USA. It is true in Asian countries also these days. Mainly because of overall rich food people eat.
Generally Asian girls are not much into experimentation sex.[/QUOTE]What I said actually is that Asian women, on average, have smaller pussies than American women. Likewise Asian men are smaller & have shorter penises. American men may have difficulty in Asia finding a condom large enough to fit them. All of this is simply scientific facts.
As for bosoms, the only ones that concern me in Asia are those in P4P, which have a much higher proportionate amount of big juggs than those in the general populations. One would have to be retarded not to find tons of them in SG among the PRC, & I would add Viet girls there as well. The Hong Kong 141 site suggests that city is not lacking in this asset either. Even in Bangkok it is not difficult to find well endowed ladies, whether enhanced or naturals. I'm sure Pattaya is much the same.
Re "experimentation sex", what does that include? Illegal public sex? Using toys? S & M? Gang bangs? I'm not into any of that & have seldom seen it mentioned in the Thailand sections of ISG.
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Good Walking Street Hotels. Guest friendly
Good near Walking Street Hotels. Guest friendly.
Hey guys heading to Pattaya in a couple days. I see a lot of post for hotels near Soi 8 but not Walking street areas. Dive lounge or Flipper hotel, any other recommendations? Kinda lazy and don't want to walk far to the action. Thanks. Diamond beach hotel? $35-50 per diem. Going on a Monday so. Worried it might be slow.
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bliss & [CodeWord900]
[quote=reiner otto; 1507777]200thb less for what? from what? how much is bar fine? st? lt? please, be more specific.
want to check out in january, when i am back to pat.[/quote]i went to bliss twice in nov and have not tried [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] since they re-opened in their new, smaller location:
- [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] & bliss lounge are bj places charging total st b 700, which covers the bf + st fee to the lady.
- standard service is st bbbjcim on premises. if you want additional (her to get naked, fs, lt, etc, then negotiate with the lady).
procedure is:
- pick your lady (you do not have to take the lady who approaches you, she was just next in the rotation) when you're ready (or you can have a drink / chill / play pool in the lounge / bar area). of course you can also buy lds.
- go upstairs in to a private room (bliss' rooms have an easy chair and a twin-size bed).
- at bliss you can ask to take a shower before / after.
- once you finish, you pay the cashier st b 700.
- if there's a problem with the lady, then within 5 minutes or so you should request to change out ladies.
bliss is open 12 noon to 12 midnite, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] is probably similar (old location was open until 2 am)
locations: refer to.
[url]www.pattaybarguide.com[/url]
- [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url]: walk east on soi chayapoon & about 1/2 way down on the right is [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url].
- bliss: walk east past [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url], and at third road you make a left. about 300 meters north, on the right-side (next to a 7-11) is bliss.
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Walking st hotels
[QUOTE=Piperpilot; 1507972]Good near Walking Street Hotels. Guest friendly.
Hey guys heading to Pattaya in a couple days. I see a lot of post for hotels near Soi 8 but not Walking street areas. Dive lounge or Flipper hotel, any other recommendations? Kinda lazy and don't want to walk far to the action. Thanks. Diamond beach hotel? $35-50 per diem. Going on a Monday so. Worried it might be slow.[/QUOTE]Stayed many times at Diamond Beach Hotel. Not the best but quite good value and certainly close to the action. They take the girl's ID. Will stay there again.
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WS Hotels
[QUOTE=Piperpilot;1507972]Good near Walking Street Hotels. Guest friendly.[/QUOTE]- For about the same price as Diamond Beach, Grand Hotel offers more.
- If you want something less than B 1k / night, consider in this order: Sanya Nightstar, Jasmine, Secrets. Here's a review [url]http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUserReviews-g293919-d3179229-r159575830-Sanya_Nightstar_Inn-Pattaya_Chonburi_Province.html[/url]
- It's now busy season so there's probably limited room availability at Sanya / Jasmine / Secrets.
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You have write down the URL a bit wrong here is the correct one.
[url]http://www.pattayabarguide.com/[/url]
Fawn.
[QUOTE=Amex Spg; 1507976]Locations: refer to.
[url]www.PattayBarGuide.com[/url][/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=BionicMan;1505287]How can one think to hook up as boy / girl friends after a couple of hours of mutual knowledge in the bed (reached through money being paid and received).[/QUOTE]The barfine should kill all illlusions but it doesn't for some guys.
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Female singer at Lucifer Disco
Hey guys, I visited Pattaya in October.
I always liked going to Lucifer disco on Walking st to look for a girl.
They have a live band performing each night. I think the female singer is very pretty.
Has anyone here ever tried to chat her up?
Does anyone know if she would ever go with a guy? (either free sex or for money)
I would like to try next time I visit Thailand.
Also, I would recommend a cute girl who works at Rhino GOGo bar in Walking St.
Her name is Aom.
A small girl.
She gives excellent GFE.
I paid 2000b for LT, and she did everything I wanted. She is a gem if you treat her right.
Speaks OK English.
Only thing I didn't like was the weather. Quite a lot of heavy showers in October, while I was there.
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[QUOTE=Butter69; 1508352]Hey guys, I visited Pattaya in October. I always liked going to Lucifer disco on Walking st to look for a girl. They have a live band performing each night. I think the female singer is very pretty. Has anyone here ever tried to chat her up? Does anyone know if she would ever go with a guy? (either free sex or for money) [/QUOTE]There is more than one female singer, however, neither is a hooker and they do have boyfriends.
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[QUOTE=Butter69; 1508352]Hey guys, I visited Pattaya in October.
I always liked going to Lucifer disco on Walking st to look for a girl.
They have a live band performing each night. I think the female singer is very pretty.
Has anyone here ever tried to chat her up?
Does anyone know if she would ever go with a guy? (either free sex or for money)
I would like to try next time I visit Thailand.
Also, I would recommend a cute girl who works at Rhino GOGo bar in Walking St.
Her name is Aom.
A small girl.
She gives excellent GFE.
I paid 2000b for LT, and she did everything I wanted. She is a gem if you treat her right.
Speaks OK English.
Only thing I didn't like was the weather. Quite a lot of heavy showers in October, while I was there.[/QUOTE]You want free. Go check you hoitel maid. They get very horny seeing used condoms and cleaning up ejaculate all day!
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[QUOTE=Butter69; 1508352]Hey guys, I visited Pattaya in October.
I think the female singer is very pretty. Has anyone here ever tried to chat her up?
Does anyone know if she would ever go with a guy? (either free sex or for money) [/QUOTE]I doubt your 2000 LT would get her even if she was selling it. And above all else is like every other girl in PTY with a regular job. Works too damn much to give you quality time, and is too tired to shag when free.
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Bliss
[quote=amex spg; 1507976]i went to bliss twice in nov and have not tried [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] since they re-opened in their new, smaller location:
- [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] & bliss lounge are bj places charging total st b 700, which covers the bf + st fee to the lady.
- standard service is st bbbjcim on premises. if you want additional (her to get naked, fs, lt, etc, then negotiate with the lady).
procedure is:
- pick your lady (you do not have to take the lady who approaches you, she was just next in the rotation) when you're ready (or you can have a drink / chill / play pool in the lounge / bar area). of course you can also buy lds.
- go upstairs in to a private room (bliss' rooms have an easy chair and a twin-size bed).
- at bliss you can ask to take a shower before / after.
- once you finish, you pay the cashier st b 700.
- if there's a problem with the lady, then within 5 minutes or so you should request to change out ladies.
bliss is open 12 noon to 12 midnite, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] is probably similar (old location was open until 2 am)
locations: refer to.
[url]www.pattaybarguide.com[/url]
- [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url]: walk east on soi chayapoon & about 1/2 way down on the right is [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url].
- bliss: walk east past [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url], and at third road you make a left. about 300 meters north, on the right-side (next to a 7-11) is bliss.[/quote]to amex.
i been to bliss few time all the girl i ask only offer bbbj no fs at all, i got fs a few time at the old [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] is 1000 bht not all girl offer that, the new [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] is a much smaller place only 3 girl avalible when i was there back in sep all of them is dog.
fast eddie 48
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[quote=amex spg; 1507976]i went to bliss twice in nov and have not tried [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] since they re-opened in their new, smaller location:
- [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] & bliss lounge are bj places charging total st b 700, which covers the bf + st fee to the lady.[/quote]the fee at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] is 600 not 700b. yes the girls are bliss are better looking and generally younger but a good looker who can't blow and won't offer fs is not worth much in a bj bar.
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Recommended BJ Ladies
[quote=run mann;1508955]the fee at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] is 600 not 700b. yes the girls are bliss are better looking and generally younger but a good looker who can't blow and won't offer fs is not worth much in a bj bar.[/quote]- thanks for the correction. the old [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] charged b 700 but it's good to know that the new [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] is only b 600.
- any [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] ladies in particular you recommend?
these are the ladies that i can remember the names of and i recommend for ok+ face / excellent service:
1) khee (?) , age 21, no kids, cute and only asked for "tip" to take off her top / bra, i tipped her b 140 and she was happy.
2) pat, age 26, has 1 kid.
3) kwang (?) , age 27, 2 kids (i might have khee (?) & kwang (?) mixed up).
4) won, the chubby one (there's a skinny won but after 20 min she complained her neck hurts, but skinny won does have a nice body / breasts and is childless)
5) kong.
- i was with khee (?) , pat and kwang (?) in nov 2013 so they should still be there. chubby won and kong i was with around mar 2013. skinny won is attractive but not ideal for a bj lasting more than 20 minutes.
- i was only interested in bbbjcim so i don't know if they'll do fs. those ladies did the bj for 20+ minutes with no complaining (about their neck hurting, etc). bj performance is ymmv but on another message board pat tends to be ranked as the best bj artists.
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old [CodeWord900]
[quote=amex spg; 1509018]- thanks for the correction. the old [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] charged b 700 but it's good to know that the new [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] is only b 600.
- any [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] ladies in particular you recommend?
these are the ladies that i can remember the names of and i recommend for ok+ face / excellent service:
1) khee (?) , age 21, no kids, cute and only asked for "tip" to take off her top / bra, i tipped her b 140 and she was happy.
2) pat, age 26, has 1 kid.
3) kwang (?) , age 27, 2 kids (i might have khee (?) & kwang (?) mixed up).
4) won, the chubby one (there's a skinny won but after 20 min she complained her neck hurts, but skinny won does have a nice body / breasts and is childless)
5) kong.
- i was with khee (?) , pat and kwang (?) in nov 2013 so they should still be there. chubby won and kong i was with around mar 2013. skinny won is attractive but not ideal for a bj lasting more than 20 minutes.
- i was only interested in bbbjcim so i don't know if they'll do fs. those ladies did the bj for 20+ minutes with no complaining (about their neck hurting, etc). bj performance is ymmv but on another message board pat tends to be ranked as the best bj artists.[/quote]to amex.
i remember bee my favorite at the old [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] she is very nice girl with a hot body and excellent bbbj, i think she left 3 yr ago and i miss her a lot she offer me fs a few time after i try to get her to offer fs for a long time.
fast eddie 48
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[quote=amex spg; 1509018]- thanks for the correction. the old [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] charged b 700 but it's good to know that the new [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] is only b 600.
- any [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] ladies in particular you recommend?[/quote]i like cindy even though her skills are not the best, she is very accommodating and not a complainer. she could actually work in a go go bar if she wanted to as she has that look and is only 23. they do have a web site but not all the girls are on the site and some of these girls do move around quite a bit.
[url]http://www.lolitasthailand.com/[/url]
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[quote=run mann; 1509078]she could actually work in a go go bar if she wanted to as she has that look and is only 23.
[url]http://www.lolitasthailand.com/[/url][/quote]nowadays, anyone can work in an agogo!
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Beach Road Vendors
Does anyone know when they will start up the Beach Road Vendor deal?
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What's Up
Could someone report cost of takeout at What's Up A-GoGo
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[QUOTE=Gin And Tonic;1509926]Could someone report cost of takeout at What's Up A-GoGo[/QUOTE]700 baht bar fine. 2000 st. 3000 lt. Always negotiable.
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[QUOTE=Gin And Tonic;1509926]Could someone report cost of takeout at What's Up A-GoGo[/QUOTE]I'm curious what others think too. I've met a remarkably-endowed and funny girl on DIA who works there, and in our online negotiations she states the barfine is 1000 and her daily rate (as in the whole day, I am discussing taking her to Samet) is 3000. Seems a bit steep on both, I was expecting Gogo Dancer barfines of 600-800 and a daily rate of 2000-2500. But she clearly has two large 'negotiation points' working in her favor.
Y'all help me and G&T out with your what's up info please.
Happy holidays,
Ira
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[QUOTE=Ira Johnson; 1510516]I'm curious what others think too. I've met a remarkably-endowed and funny girl on DIA who works there, and in our online negotiations she states the barfine is 1000 and her daily rate (as in the whole day, I am discussing taking her to Samet) is 3000. Seems a bit steep on both, I was expecting Gogo Dancer barfines of 600-800 and a daily rate of 2000-2500. But she clearly has two large 'negotiation points' working in her favor.
Y'all help me and G&T out with your what's up info please.
Happy holidays,
Ira[/QUOTE]BF of 1000 baht is indeed rather steep, but perhaps you can negotiate some discount if you take her out several days. 2000 baht for LT, which is a whole night only, is considered acceptable so a whole day of 24 hours for 3000 baht should be OK.
Of course, you then pay in total 4000 baht for one day in a country where the minimum wage for unskilled labor is only 400 baht per day.
On the other hand, you do not want to make her unhappy with the financial arrangements since she will be with you for several days on a small island.
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Minimum Wage
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht; 1510622]BF of 1000 baht is indeed rather steep, but perhaps you can negotiate some discount if you take her out several days. 2000 baht for LT, which is a whole night only, is considered acceptable so a whole day of 24 hours for 3000 baht should be OK.
Of course, you then pay in total 4000 baht for one day in a country where the minimum wage for unskilled labor is only 400 baht per day.
On the other hand, you do not want to make her unhappy with the financial arrangements since she will be with you for several days on a small island.[/QUOTE]Subject to correct. The BBC reports that the Thaksin Govt has raised the minimum wage to 300 baht and hour! I suspect the accurate figure is 300 baht / day!
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Just to compare
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht; 1510622]BF of 1000 baht is indeed rather steep, but perhaps you can negotiate some discount if you take her out several days. 2000 baht for LT, which is a whole night only, is considered acceptable so a whole day of 24 hours for 3000 baht should be OK.
Of course, you then pay in total 4000 baht for one day in a country where the minimum wage for unskilled labor is only 400 baht per day.
On the other hand, you do not want to make her unhappy with the financial arrangements since she will be with you for several days on a small island.[/QUOTE]In October, I had one dancer from a beer bar on WS for 10 days travelling to Phuket etc. Not to be compared to a stunner from a GoGo, but one of the better lookig girls from the beer bar, because dancing.
Cost was 1300BHT / day for her, plus 600Bht / day barfine.
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[QUOTE=Ira Johnson; 1510516]I'm curious what others think too. I've met a remarkably-endowed and funny girl on DIA who works there, and in our online negotiations she states the barfine is 1000 and her daily rate (as in the whole day, I am discussing taking her to Samet) is 3000. Seems a bit steep on both, I was expecting Gogo Dancer barfines of 600-800 and a daily rate of 2000-2500. But she clearly has two large 'negotiation points' working in her favor.
Y'all help me and G&T out with your what's up info please.
Happy holidays,
Ira[/QUOTE]Never take any girl on vacation till you stay with her couple of days before. No need to mention that you are planning a trip with her. Chemistry is everything to have good fun. If you think the girl is good, then negotiate.
Of course no vacation sticks to budget. You will buy her some clothes, gift items etc.
If the girl is good in and out of bed it is all worth it.
I have taken many girls are vacation in Thailand, Philippines, China, Caribbean, Europe etc. Of course these are not P4P girls.
I have given them gifts but never discussed money before. Of course I did put some money in their purse for Asian girls.
On vacation you do not want to make it as a business deal. Both of you should enjoy the time together like holding hands walking on the beach, having drinks watching sunset etc.
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Long long time
[QUOTE=Ira Johnson; 1510516]I'm curious what others think too. I've met a remarkably-endowed and funny girl on DIA who works there, and in our online negotiations she states the barfine is 1000 and her daily rate (as in the whole day, I am discussing taking her to Samet) is 3000. Seems a bit steep on both, I was expecting Gogo Dancer barfines of 600-800 and a daily rate of 2000-2500. But she clearly has two large 'negotiation points' working in her favor.
Y'all help me and G&T out with your what's up info please.
Happy holidays,
Ira[/QUOTE]The ladies there are clearly a cut above. Sometimes in cases like this, that can provide life long memories, you have to do the conversion and say the $130 a day is well worth it.
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[QUOTE=Ira Johnson;1510516]I'm curious what others think too. I've met a remarkably-endowed and funny girl on DIA who works there, and in our online negotiations she states the barfine is 1000 and her daily rate (as in the whole day, I am discussing taking her to Samet) is 3000. Seems a bit steep on both, I was expecting Gogo Dancer barfines of 600-800 and a daily rate of 2000-2500. But she clearly has two large 'negotiation points' working in her favor.[/QUOTE]What is 'DIA'? Be aware, as others have said, that it is hazardous to commit to any bookings without ascertaining chemistry. I would add that the higher the price the worse the attitude and service, generally, in this business.
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Dia
[QUOTE=Opebo;1510793]What is 'DIA'? Be aware, as others have said, that it is hazardous to commit to any bookings without ascertaining chemistry. I would add that the higher the price the worse the attitude and service, generally, in this business.[/QUOTE]DIA = dating in asia, another of the various online forums, another TLL etc. Slightly more sinister than this site. 5555
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[QUOTE=Ira Johnson;1510516]I'm curious what others think too. I've met a remarkably-endowed and funny girl on DIA who works there, and in our online negotiations she states the barfine is 1000 and her daily rate (as in the whole day, I am discussing taking her to Samet) is 3000. Seems a bit steep on both, I was expecting Gogo Dancer barfines of 600-800 and a daily rate of 2000-2500. But she clearly has two large 'negotiation points' working in her favor.[/QUOTE]What I think is why would you be negotiating with a woman who you met on a dating site? Not only that, but if you met her on the dating site and you were negotiating with her, what the fuck would that have to do with a bar fine? I'm against barfines anyway, but if I was to pay one for a woman then it definitely would not be for a woman that I already knew. I tell you what, instead of giving the bar 1000, just tell me her contact info and give me 500 and I will bring her right to your hotel.
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[QUOTE=Opebo;1510793]I would add that the higher the price the worse the attitude and service, generally, in this business.[/QUOTE]I'd have to agree!
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[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1510918]What I think is why would you be negotiating with a woman who you met on a dating site? Not only that, but if you met her on the dating site and you were negotiating with her, what the fuck would that have to do with a bar fine? I'm against barfines anyway, but if I was to pay one for a woman then it definitely would not be for a woman that I already knew. I tell you what, instead of giving the bar 1000, just tell me her contact info and give me 500 and I will bring her right to your hotel.[/QUOTE]Barfines do not totally bother me, as they are connected with the girl's employment (I know there are other opinions on this) , but in fact Mr E, your blunt opinion is what I needed. Yeah, if I met her in the bar, negotiation is going to be expected. But from a dating site. Eessh. Thanks for the cold water in the face, guy. Seriously.
In fact I stopped by Patts on my way here to Koh Samet, and met a gogo dancer (about 400AM just off Walking street). Super hot, great kisser, nice but fake boobs. After a drink and a shot I asked price for short time (wanted to ascertain chemistry as another suggested). And get this: She claimed the barfine is 1500 and her ST rate is 3000.
I think she may have been offended when I busted up laughing. Outlandish.
I'm not thrilled with DIA, and am having better luck with WeChat and ThaiFriendly. Although have not landed anything yet. I think I am just going to bop back up to Patts tomorrow and do some shopping.
Keep it coming Mr E. Tough Love!
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Waaaas' up gogo
[QUOTE=BJ Blitz;1510387]700 baht bar fine. 2000 st. 3000 lt. Always negotiable.[/QUOTE]In the ballpark. My price, circa 2012, was a 1000 baht BF with 2000 LT / overnight. Don't know how negotiable, but try. At the time, I was astounded that the patrons / payers were rather youngish. Had sights on one of the performers in the light lesbian show (could see that one of her colleagues was lightly licking her pussy lips) , but she was already "spoken for" by a studly Westerner in his 20s, who was paying for it. Did barfine (two nights) an energetic dancer from the place, a lass with a good attitude. Even then, punters on this board were asking "Whats Up" with the fucking overpriced barfine structure.
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Four nights in Pattaya
day 1 – soi 6. as is the case anywhere a mix of girls in terms of personality, the first one i bought a drink for was cute and sweet but rather shy. i like my girls to show a bit of enthusiasm. went to another bar and started chatting to a very busty one, she very quickly got to the point (lit a cigarette and pointed to my unit and said she'll smoke that next) , so upstairs we went. she was ok an gave me a reasonable amount of time but was a seasoned professional and did what was expected without any gfe, gave her a pass mark but nothing spectacular. 300 baht to the bar and couldn't remember at the time what i was supposed to give the girl so gave her 1k. should i have given a bit less, e.g. 1k including bar fine?
couldn't tell much difference between the bars in soi 6 and i presume it depends whether you get lucky with the individual girl.
day 2 – le carre blanc. a bit disappointed with this place considering all i had read about it. not hard to find (soi 33 just off 3rd street just north of pattaya south road) , ring the doorbell when you get there but they'll have seen you coming via cctv cameras anyway. they will try to get you behind the curtained areas as soon as they can. i sat at the bar first anyway and they will stroke your cock there but very quickly followed by a 'let's go to the curtain area' again. got a very nice blow job in the curtain area, and she was insistent on making me cum. good service but would put this place in the same category as [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] and bliss. gave her 1k, but made sure she knew that i knew 700 baht was typical blow job rate, but that i was tipping her extra for good service and attitude. i don't want to spoil the market.
the girl at le carre blanc hadn't made me cum so i came across a massage place on soi 11, 2nd road. if you see girls sitting outside and oil massage is on the menu for 300 baht then you can be sure extras are on the menu (or perhaps they are on menu everywhere in patts). i was a bit tired by this point and in a moment of madness offered her an additional 500 baht for a hand job, when 500-600 total for a hj should suffice. the problem with paying too much for the limited option is that the girl is already happy with it and therefore won't be motivated to upsell any further, when i really would have preferred to shag her, as usually for massage shop girls she was young, pretty, slim and breasty. i offered her 800 tip for a shag but since that was only 300 more than i'd stupidly offered for a hj she wouldn't have it. doh!
day 3 – thought i'd go for a soapy, although more expensive than some other options you should get what you pay for. i have grand visions of gorgeous girls based on experience in shanghai a few years ago. i was looking for sabailand but saw the signs for honey 2 so went in there instead. i was disappointed with the lineup. there was lots of choice, but the 1800 baht girls were all fat and the 2200 girls had better bodies but not all that good looking. i was sitting 20 metres or so from where the girls were and with my poor eyesight picked one that looked nice, but when she came over i found that although she had nice legs and a cute face, there wasn't a lot of cleavage. bummer!
if you have not been to a soapy before don't stress over it, it is very easy. as soon as you walk in a captain will greet you and lead you to a chair, where you can look at the girls as long as you want until you pick one. some of the girls will smile and wink at you, but take your time.
once you have chosen you pay upfront (don't worry, you will still get good service in these places, it is a big deal for the girls if a customer complains). you will be asked if you want to buy a drink, this is optional but i bought a lemon soda for her and one for myself, a small investment in making the girl happy. the girl will then lead you upstairs to the room.
it should be 30 minutes each on the water mattress, in the tub and one the bed, but i think my girl made it more like 20 minutes. her service was good though, and she aimed to please. i could easily have stretched the time out, perhaps by playing with her in the tub, but considering the lack of contour on the top half i wasn't really into her.
overall i feel that i got what i paid for but would have liked a hotter girl (with bigger breasts).
day 4 – left my hotel with an open mind. ended up at walking street (as you do) , can't say i like the increase in tourist numbers even compared with five years ago. some hot russian chicks around but shame that they are all with their boyfriends. can't remember what go-go i ended up in, it did have some nice girls and the girl i bought a drink for was cute and energetic. the kind that a sucker could fall for if spending too long in thailand. didn't want to bf her though so gave her an additional 50 baht tip instead of a second drink and left. poked my nose into some other go-gos and felt that the overall standard has declined over the last couple of years.
ended up wrapping my arms around a beer bar girl on soi 8 who had smiled as i went past, she was a bit older (early 30's) and slim so surprised to find that she had a daughter. kissing and cuddling in the bar is always a good sign and sure enough she was gfe back in my room. i usually prefer st and to shag them on site if possible but ended up being a lt. no talk of money until she left, gave her 1500 at 9am after a second shag.
overall – pattaya is still an all you can eat buffet, with lots of different courses (go-gos, beer bars, massage shops, soapys, street walkers) , but the overall standard is declining. fortunately the huge supply means prices are not going up that much, but i do wonder if that will change if the number of wealthy russian and chinese tourists continues to increase and the thai economy keeps growing. the huge supply also doesn't really matter, i only do 1 or 2 girls a day, so all i ever need is 1 or 2 hotties wherever i am, and it is just as easy if not easier to locate hot girls and value for money in cebu, shenzhen or wherever. patts is still a good time but i won't be hurrying back here specifically any time soon. i guess i am neutral towards the place.
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AVOID TIGGLEBITTIES TAVERN, Soi 17, off 3rd Road
A buddy was in there a few weeks ago and witnessed a couple of English 120kg hooligans jump a small guy who had just gone in for a drink. Seems the 2 well over served goofs were upset the bar girls were paying attention to the young guy after they had been buying lady drinks all night. Apparently these guys are regulars and were back at it the next time my friend went in to eat there. If the owners of these places won't protect patrons from this kind of thing they should be run out of business.
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As Tanqueray and tonic is my cocktail of choice (though I like a good scotch) and I love to drink, my spirit immediately lifts slightly when I see a post with your name beside it.
That being said, it seems there should be a bit more to this story than you've told. What exactly happened between the time she sat down next to the little guy and the beating that ensued?
With 1 exception many years ago, I've never seen a guy just stand up and clock someone without trying to either get things his way, scare the other off or at least vocalize his displeasure.
So, was the little guy just cold cocked or did he in some way think that the ordinary circumstances of the situation would protect him?
[QUOTE=Gin And Tonic;1512817]A buddy was in there a few weeks ago and witnessed a couple of English 120kg hooligans jump a small guy who had just gone in for a drink. Seems the 2 well over served goofs were upset the bar girls were paying attention to the young guy after they had been buying lady drinks all night. Apparently these guys are regulars and were back at it the next time my friend went in to eat there. If the owners of these places won't protect patrons from this kind of thing they should be run out of business.[/QUOTE]
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Hi Mianbao,
Thanks for you cool report, I just wonder why Honey 2 got expensive like this, I remember last year I have pay 1400 with a greate girl. I go in 2 weeks so I will find out my self then if the pices went up.
But what you wrote about Le Carre Blanc, I'm now not sure to go there or not.
FTG.
[QUOTE=Mianbao;1512711]Day 3 – Thought I'd go for a soapy, although more expensive than some other options you should get what you pay for. I have grand visions of gorgeous girls based on experience in Shanghai a few years ago. I was looking for Sabailand but saw the signs for Honey 2 so went in there instead. I was disappointed with the lineup. There was lots of choice, but the 1800 baht girls were all fat and the 2200 girls had better bodies but not all that good looking. I was sitting 20 metres or so from where the girls were and with my poor eyesight picked one that looked nice, but when she came over I found that although she had nice legs and a cute face, there wasn't a lot of cleavage. Bummer![/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Gin And Tonic;1512817]A buddy was in there a few weeks ago and witnessed a couple of English 120kg hooligans jump a small guy who had just gone in for a drink. Seems the 2 well over served goofs were upset the bar girls were paying attention to the young guy after they had been buying lady drinks all night. Apparently these guys are regulars and were back at it the next time my friend went in to eat there. If the owners of these places won't protect patrons from this kind of thing they should be run out of business.[/QUOTE]Brits and Aussies think they own the place. Actually they do in most respects, at any rate, your friend could easily enlist Thai Mafia for some payback..
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[quote=mianbao;1512711]day 2 – le carre blanc. a bit disappointed with this place considering all i had read about it. not hard to find (soi 33 just off 3rd street just north of pattaya south road) , ring the doorbell when you get there but they'll have seen you coming via cctv cameras anyway. they will try to get you behind the curtained areas as soon as they can. i sat at the bar first anyway and they will stroke your cock there but very quickly followed by a 'let's go to the curtain area' again. got a very nice blow job in the curtain area, and she was insistent on making me cum. good service but would put this place in the same category as [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] and bliss. gave her 1k, but made sure she knew that i knew 700 baht was typical blow job rate, but that i was tipping her extra for good service and attitude. i don't want to spoil the market.[/quote]well now that you know how the place works, you should be able to fine tune your approach if you decide to return.
remember, carre blanc is more of an exhibitionist kind of bar. if you don't mind seeing others getting blown in the bar area (good to survey the girls skills) , as well as you yourself, there is no reason to go behind the curtain. the curtain is mostly used if you want to bang a girl, and even then, others might be back there fucking as well, maby2-3 meters away so this can turn into an orgy type of situation. it is kind of cool because they use a photographers red-light that casts a dreamy vision to everything going on back there.
if you indicate you don't want to go to the big room behind the theater curtain, the girl won't be disappointed. you should not feel like your being upselled. in my opinion her performance is not affected and you are not continually nagged to go back there. you get asked only once, and that is it. the girls assume you might want to fuck them which is why they ask about going back there, so relax.
i have been there over 10-15 times and not once did i feel they tried to play games with services / money. i have never stopped at bliss or [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]. i should though, just to compare.
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[QUOTE=BJ Blitz;1510387]700 baht bar fine. 2000 st. 3000 lt. Always negotiable.[/QUOTE]This is incorrect at What's Up!
The normal Barfine is 2000 Baht before Midnight and after it is 1000 baht. The last few days due to the holiday season the Barfine is 3000 before Midnight and 2000 baht after!
Of course the price for drinks are more than most other go go's but if you can afford the barfine the latter should not matter?
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[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1513780]This is incorrect at What's Up!
The normal Barfine is 2000 Baht before Midnight and after it is 1000 baht. The last few days due to the holiday season the Barfine is 3000 before Midnight and 2000 baht after!
LBM[/QUOTE]I payed 1500BF in Iron. 3000/4000 LT for stunner, beginning of October.
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[QUOTE=Reiner Otto;1513839]I payed 1500BF in Iron. 3000/4000 LT for stunner, beginning of October.[/QUOTE]Fucking right-wild inflation! I can see why Mr. Enternational does not believe in bar fines. Thailand's prices are getting outrageous, especially if LT turns into mediocre performance. We are talking about $150. 00 Canadian. I can get a pretty good experience for that amount of money back home. It feels like the market in Thailand is turning into a seller's market. Customers need to turn this around. Sosua is looking better and better.
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[QUOTE=ConquerorVal;1513894]It feels like the market in Thailand is turning into a seller's market. Customers need to turn this around. Sosua is looking better and better.[/QUOTE]Prostitution is over long ago in Thailand as economy developed. Now mostly old ladies ans this about it. Other way is to find a girlfriend. Still from overall tourist experience Thailand is the most safest and the most pleasing destination in the world.
Forget Susua go to Africa it the origin, good only for sex Marathon, otherwise Thailand wins (hotels, food, sightseeing etc).
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thanks a lot for you report this helped a lot.
i will try this place now :-d.
[quote=ehunter; 1513695]well now that you know how the place works, you should be able to fine tune your approach if you decide to return.
remember, carre blanc is more of an exhibitionist kind of bar. if you don't mind seeing others getting blown in the bar area (good to survey the girls skills) , as well as you yourself, there is no reason to go behind the curtain. the curtain is mostly used if you want to bang a girl, and even then, others might be back there fucking as well, maby2-3 meters away so this can turn into an orgy type of situation. it is kind of cool because they use a photographers red-light that casts a dreamy vision to everything going on back there.
if you indicate you don't want to go to the big room behind the theater curtain, the girl won't be disappointed. you should not feel like your being upselled. in my opinion her performance is not affected and you are not continually nagged to go back there. you get asked only once, and that is it. the girls assume you might want to fuck them which is why they ask about going back there, so relax.
i have been there over 10-15 times and not once did i feel they tried to play games with services / money. i have never stopped at bliss or [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]. i should though, just to compare.[/quote]
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Wow. Paying $100-$150 dollars in Pattaya! Very sad. Last time I was there (just a few weeks ago) , out of 6-8 sessions the most I paid was 700 baht, and the least was 500.
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[QUOTE=ConquerorVal;1513894]It feels like the market in Thailand is turning into a seller's market. Customers need to turn this around. Sosua is looking better and better.[/QUOTE]I would say be careful. It is a time of year quirk.
Aside from this though, the Dominican exchange rate is running at 42 / USD so the value is easily better than Thailand. That is, as long as you are experienced with the Dominican hustle and you take well to big ass girls it may be worth it to you. Also the travel costs & stress from Canada can't even compare. The Thailand disneyland sex scene is hard to match at any price though. You can only hang in the DR for so long though so Thailand carries another big advantage.
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[quote=fawn the guyver; 1513910]thanks a lot for you report this helped a lot.
i will try this place now :-d.[/quote]try being sociable once inside. every girl will notice and warm up to you much quicker.
so i enjoy sitting & talking at the bar with another patron. this makes the girls feel like you are ignoring them, which they "don't" like. to get your attention back, one will weasel around and soon enough be deep throating you right there on the bar chair, trying to keep you from chatting further. note: if you allow her to do this, you will have to pay her once she is finished. you can either let her finish you there or retire to the couch where it is more comfortable. even if you go behind the curtain, it is what, less than $10 usd?
i wonder how [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] or bliss compares? anybody know?
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[QUOTE=ConquerorVal;1513894]Thailand's prices are getting outrageous,[/QUOTE]Those rates are for one bar not all of Thailand, you can get action in many other places for much less. This girl was a bargain at less than 1000B.
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Prices, reading report after report.
I'm not cheap by any stretch, but in my humble opinion, those of you paying in excess of $100 for a date (in any capacity) might just as well stay home and pay for high priced services where you're at. Thailand is known for much more then bargirls and sex, but honestly, let's be real, we go there #1 reason is for sexual experiences. Paying the same you can find it in Western world is just silly.
When I was in Thailand in 1997, I did a good long stint in Bangkok and Pattaya and had trouble spending more then $50 USD on any date, with most running around $30 USD.
So unless the talent has completely dried up, there is no reason for this pricing increase aside from willing mongers who want to overpay. Overpaying in my opinion gets you less respect and does not equal better service. You see in Thailand, better service happens from good chemistry, making the girls comfortable, making them laugh, being playful, loose and free. That's how you get great service out of the women there.
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[QUOTE=Opebo;1513914]Wow. Paying $100-$150 dollars in Pattaya! Very sad. Last time I was there (just a few weeks ago) , out of 6-8 sessions the most I paid was 700 baht, and the least was 500.[/QUOTE]How was the quality on Beach Road? I hit Beach Road 2-3 times in December, and there was absolutely nothing worthwhile. Just a bunch of skanks I wouldn't go with if they paid me $150. Never had a problem like this in 10 years so far. Quality has been getting steadily lower, but quantity was still there and it was always possible to find something. Time window when fair amount of talent also got reduced, from 3pm-2am to roughly 8pm-11pm last year (maybe a few hours longer if police doesn't come through). Then, they have that awful market.
I'm almost ready to declare the Beach Road dead for good (for me) , but maybe it will bounce back. Any thoughts? Are there any other alternatives in the 500-700 baht range in Pattaya (I know Soi 6, but that's a zoo, and ends up 1000+).
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[QUOTE=Crocodilexp; 1513975]How was the quality on Beach Road? I hit Beach Road 2-3 times in December, and there was absolutely nothing worthwhile. Just a bunch of skanks I wouldn't go with if they paid me $150. Never had a problem like this in 10 years so far. Quality has been getting steadily lower, but quantity was still there and it was always possible to find something. Time window when fair amount of talent also got reduced, from 3pm-2am to roughly 8pm-11pm last year (maybe a few hours longer if police doesn't come through). Then, they have that awful market.
I'm almost ready to declare the Beach Road dead for good (for me) , but maybe it will bounce back. Any thoughts? Are there any other alternatives in the 500-700 baht range in Pattaya (I know Soi 6, but that's a zoo, and ends up 1000+).[/QUOTE]Last time I shopped the Beach was at the end of 2012. I found 19 and 20 year olds all 4 times I tried over a two month period, but I had to put a ton of leg work in. The last time it took more than 45 minutes of walking around. At the end, with the moto fees to and from the room (up on 3rd Road) it was just too much, even at 700 Baht and with 3 of those 4 girls having really awesome bodies (even surprised me). Got some of their numbers but they only worked occasionally so rebooking that was tough.
At the same price range you could try the massage parlors on Chaiyapoon. Low end places but you can find girls of equal quality to what you usually find on the beach and you don't have to pay for a room. Shouldn't be more than 700 all in. Sometimes even less. I've also gone all in for similar prices on Soi Honey at the small massage shops during off hours. Beware that you might hear a guy a few tables over getting his shots in though.
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wow thanks a lot for the cool tip, i will not for get what you have told me.
[quote=ehunter; 1513941]try being sociable once inside. every girl will notice and warm up to you much quicker.
so i enjoy sitting & talking at the bar with another patron. this makes the girls feel like you are ignoring them, which they "don't" like. to get your attention back, one will weasel around and soon enough be deep throating you right there on the bar chair, trying to keep you from chatting further. note: if you allow her to do this, you will have to pay her once she is finished. you can either let her finish you there or retire to the couch where it is more comfortable. even if you go behind the curtain, it is what, less than $10 usd?
i wonder how [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] or bliss compares? anybody know?[/quote]
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[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1514002]Last time I shopped the Beach was at the end of 2012. I found 19 and 20 year olds all 4 times I tried over a two month period, but I had to put a ton of leg work in.[/QUOTE]That was fine for me, I don't mind walking around for an hour or two (hate sitting in a bar on the other hand). There were always some diamonds in the rough up until early 2013. And then for a few months something if I looked for long enough and hit the right time window. Then, this past December, nothing. Not even a decent number of old hags.
[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1514002]At the same price range you could try the massage parlors on Chaiyapoon. Low end places but you can find girls of equal quality to what you usually find on the beach and you don't have to pay for a room. Shouldn't be more than 700 all in. Sometimes even less. I've also gone all in for similar prices on Soi Honey at the small massage shops during off hours. Beware that you might hear a guy a few tables over getting his shots in though.[/QUOTE]Thanks, I'll try some of those. Do you know if the massage girls are available for take-out? I like the option to take the girl to my hotel (for a proper shower and leisurely session, increasing the chance of GFE). Hate doing it on their premises, especially under the cover of a massage, which usually ends up being neither good massage nor decent sex (quickie, hush-hush, don't get too loud, everything up to them, not me).
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[QUOTE=ConquerorVal;1513894]. We are talking about $150. 00 Canadian. I can get a pretty good experience for that amount of money back home.[/QUOTE]Where in the western world yo can get a LT for $150. 00 Canadian? We can dispute about stunners as judgements are often subjective and performance cannot be rated before hand. It can only be afterwards and can result into a repeat or not.
But 150. 00 $ for a long time is nothing you can get outside of certain SEA countries, or a few southamerican ones.
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[QUOTE=Fawn The Guyver;1514014]Wow thanks a lot for the cool tip, I will not for get what you have told me.[/QUOTE]I don't want to oversell the place to you or anybody else, so keep in mind that with your first visit the girls will be as cautious with you as you might be picky with them. Once they figure you out though, what you like, and are looking for, you will get what you want with only minor encouragement.
The girls there act like a bunch of sisters with each other and the owner makes sure of that for business reasons. You might notice the owner, French European from Cannes (I think) who likes to sit closest to the kitchen. He was there most every night I was there and he watches the bar to make sure the patrons have had a good time.
I should also say that this place is not an exception to the YMMV concept. Everywhere in the world, more attractive guys have much easier time than guys who are sick-looking overweight and ugly or have no manners / respect with the girls. Those are the guys who will report about how their experience sucked and they had a bad time or felt like they were being ripped off.
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Thanks to you too. Lucky I'm always nice to the girls this why manyby I have always a good time with them, and I'm not old and not a fatty one. So I can't wait to try it out how it was for me.
I will report it then here.
[QUOTE=Ehunter; 1514190]I don't want to oversell the place to you or anybody else, so keep in mind that with your first visit the girls will be as cautious with you as you might be picky with them. Once they figure you out though, what you like, and are looking for, you will get what you want with only minor encouragement.
The girls there act like a bunch of sisters with each other and the owner makes sure of that for business reasons. You might notice the owner, French European from Cannes (I think) who likes to sit closest to the kitchen. He was there most every night I was there and he watches the bar to make sure the patrons have had a good time.
I should also say that this place is not an exception to the YMMV concept. Everywhere in the world, more attractive guys have much easier time than guys who are sick-looking overweight and ugly or have no manners / respect with the girls. Those are the guys who will report about how their experience sucked and they had a bad time or felt like they were being ripped off.[/QUOTE]
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Hotel location with least exhertion on Beach Road?
Concur what has been stated about Beach road, I think the key to take out from Beach Road is hotel location. I normally stay in Soi 6 which is quite some distance to cover either on foot and the hassle of always having to use transport. As has been mentioned, if one shops the Beach Road this can be an exhausting having to move between shopping point and hotel.
Therefor, my next trip I am contemplating getting a hotel located in Soi 13/1, which will be closer to where the girls are, I'm pretty sure this will give me more time and subsequently, choice. This will insure a short walk with one's darling to the love nest. Short of staying in PS Guesthouse, LOL, would any of you seasoned gents know of a comfortable hotel on this charming Soi 13/1? I have trolled the hotel thread some pages back to no avail, perhaps one has to search deeper.
You will find most girls congregated at the junction, beach side, enabling the use of PS Guesthouse, a very short walk. This is the thick of the action, with a pretty short stroll to walking st.
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[QUOTE=Noddy; 1514274]Concur what has been stated about Beach road, I think the key to take out from Beach Road is hotel location. I normally stay in Soi 6 which is quite some distance to cover either on foot and the hassle of always having to use transport. As has been mentioned, if one shops the Beach Road this can be an exhausting having to move between shopping point and hotel.
Therefor, my next trip I am contemplating getting a hotel located in Soi 13/1, which will be closer to where the girls are, I'm pretty sure this will give me more time and subsequently, choice. This will insure a short walk with one's darling to the love nest. Short of staying in PS Guesthouse, LOL, would any of you seasoned gents know of a comfortable hotel on this charming Soi 13/1? I have trolled the hotel thread some pages back to no avail, perhaps one has to search deeper.
You will find most girls congregated at the junction, beach side, enabling the use of PS Guesthouse, a very short walk. This is the thick of the action, with a pretty short stroll to walking st.[/QUOTE]I have stayed at Dynasty Inn soi 13. It's close to 2nd Road and not much of a walk to Beach Road.
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I just stayed at Inn House on Soi 13. Easy walk to the BR action. This hotel is about 10 years old and a bit overpriced at 1700 on Asia Rooms. I used to stay there for 800 baht. No breakfast included. Internet mostly good but not always. Did borrow a hot water pot for my morning coffee in the room. Easy to walk to Soi Metro so it's a good location. Next time I'd perhaps stay in the Metro area instead for better value and 5 more minutes of walk.
I also used to stay at SA Guesthouse on 13/1 for 400 baht including breakfast. It was an ok clean basic room but that too was 10 years ago. No net back then. You might just walk in and inquire there depending on your tolerance for good but "no frills". No lift. But it's only 4 flights total.
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[QUOTE=Noddy; 1514274]Concur what has been stated about Beach road, I think the key to take out from Beach Road is hotel location. I normally stay in Soi 6 which is quite some distance to cover either on foot and the hassle of always having to use transport. As has been mentioned, if one shops the Beach Road this can be an exhausting having to move between shopping point and hotel.
Therefor, my next trip I am contemplating getting a hotel located in Soi 13/1, which will be closer to where the girls are, I'm pretty sure this will give me more time and subsequently, choice. This will insure a short walk with one's darling to the love nest. Short of staying in PS Guesthouse, LOL, would any of you seasoned gents know of a comfortable hotel on this charming Soi 13/1? I have trolled the hotel thread some pages back to no avail, perhaps one has to search deeper.
You will find most girls congregated at the junction, beach side, enabling the use of PS Guesthouse, a very short walk. This is the thick of the action, with a pretty short stroll to walking st.[/QUOTE]Noble guesthouse is good. Get a room facing away from the street with a balcony.
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[QUOTE=Noddy;1514274]Concur what has been stated about Beach road, I think the key to take out from Beach Road is hotel location. I normally stay in Soi 6 which is quite some distance to cover either on foot and the hassle of always having to use transport. As has been mentioned, if one shops the Beach Road this can be an exhausting having to move between shopping point and hotel.[/QUOTE]
Why would hotel location matter? One should never bring a girl back to one's own sleeping room (use short time rooms), and one should always rent a motorbike when in Pattaya (only 100-200 baht per day, an incredible value).
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1513975]How was the quality on Beach Road? I hit Beach Road 2-3 times in December, and there was absolutely nothing worthwhile. Just a bunch of skanks[/QUOTE]
Yes, I just have sex with skanks, to be honest. Anything else is out of my price range in Thailand (and anyway non-skanks won't do any kinds of good service).
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[QUOTE=Opebo;1514626]Why would hotel location matter? One should never bring a girl back to one's own sleeping room (use short time rooms), and one should always rent a motorbike when in Pattaya (only 100-200 baht per day, an incredible value).[/QUOTE]Surely, you jest Mr. Opebo? Why is the vast majority of hotels in Pattaya guest-friendly? Riding a motorbike in Pattaya is for the more suicidally-inclined and for 200 baht you can use a songthaew twenty times. Or perhaps you like to subsidize the policemen's retirement fund?
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[QUOTE=Fawn The Guyver; 1514234]Thanks to you too. Lucky I'm always nice to the girls this why manyby I have always a good time with them, and I'm not old and not a fatty one. So I can't wait to try it out how it was for me.
I will report it then here.[/QUOTE]I have another club for you to try. A very reputable source, ex-patt, tells me a club named "Club 4" is even better than Carre Blanc. Google says this club has been around for some years but has been closed for various reasons.
The owner is also french and possibly the same owner of the Care Blanc club.
It is located here:
[url]http://goo.gl/maps/QGWMs[/url]
The setup. Very nice curtained off reclining booths with full mirrors. Have a shorttime room too. Someone posted in Sept that the place beats the hell out of Carre Blanc, Bliss, and Telephone booth hands down (more classy looking). The girls wear school-girl uniforms without anything on underneath.
Pics courtesy of google. Anybody else been here?
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[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1514002]Last time I shopped the Beach was at the end of 2012. I found 19 and 20 year olds all 4 times I tried over a two month period, but I had to put a ton of leg work in. The last time it took more than 45 minutes of walking around. .[/QUOTE]This has been my motis for years. Get in a work out while looking for a stunner, or at least, has my physical taste. Beach Road. 2nd Road. WS. I actually have shifted my stalking grounds to Africa.
I like big T-TS and wide hips. Its there in abundance. I don't have to walk to find it, just go online. No BF, runners, starfish or over worn p*ssy. And best of all not a million tourist or expats to dodge and duck.
Enjoy all that in LOS gents, I'll be over here relaxing and shagging.
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The idea of being able to nip out onto Beach Road shopping for talent at my whim is very appealing, being the greedy guts, then take them back to my room where I am comfortable having never had any strife in the six or so years of touring Thailand or any troubles from the girls. I do not carry valuables apart from the laptop and travel light. Maybe I have been lucky or suss the girls out pretty well; if I were in Africa then obviously apply more diligence, I have had amusing escapades with the the big girls of Africa.
The thought of having to take care of a moto is not appealing to me at all, I ride in London and recently the lovely neighbors darling terrorists pushed my great love over damaging her, causing me great anger and the stress of having to take care of a moto parked out on the street is no fun. Beautiful people about. A friend recently had his bicycle stolen in Pattaya, I would rather not ride a moto in Thailand, have done in the past, but the reasons have been covered by other members, Opebo.
Thanks for the feedback gentlemen, Noble Guesthouse, I will look into this one Pointy Stick, as well as the other suggestions.
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Wow thanks, and it is realy cool from you that you posted where it is too.
I will go and visit this club then.
Again T H A N K S.
[QUOTE=Ehunter; 1514844]I have another club for you to try. A very reputable source, ex-patt, tells me a club named "Club 4" is even better than Carre Blanc. Google says this club has been around for some years but has been closed for various reasons.
The owner is also french and possibly the same owner of the Care Blanc club.
It is located here:
[url]http://goo.gl/maps/QGWMs[/url]
The setup. Very nice curtained off reclining booths with full mirrors. Have a shorttime room too. Someone posted in Sept that the place beats the hell out of Carre Blanc, Bliss, and Telephone booth hands down (more classy looking). The girls wear school-girl uniforms without anything on underneath.
Pics courtesy of google. Anybody else been here?[/QUOTE]
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Because of the Google Maps idea I have play a bit around hand I have make the NAV point for the clubs mention before.
Carré Blanc.
[url]http://goo.gl/45MTZU[/url]
Club 4 (thanks to Ehunter)
[url]http://goo.gl/maps/QGWMs[/url]
The Telephone Club.
[url]http://goo.gl/maps/AF0SJ[/url]
I would sugest that in future when a nice hiden spot is found it should be posted like this so everyone can find it.
FTG
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Devil's Den
And here is the map info for Devil's Den.
[url]http://goo.gl/maps/lx0x4[/url]
[url]www.devilsdenthailand.com[/url]
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Where in Africe?
Wolverine,
I have heard your comments many times but could not determine where in Africa? I have never been to the Dark Continent. I am ready to go but don't know where. Your help is much appreciated. Thanks.
Funman13.
[QUOTE=The Wolverine; 1513896]Prostitution is over long ago in Thailand as economy developed. Now mostly old ladies ans this about it. Other way is to find a girlfriend. Still from overall tourist experience Thailand is the most safest and the most pleasing destination in the world.
Forget Susua go to Africa it the origin, good only for sex Marathon, otherwise Thailand wins (hotels, food, sightseeing etc).[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=FunMan13; 1516051]Wolverine,
I have heard your comments many times but could not determine where in Africa? I have never been to the Dark Continent. I am ready to go but don't know where. Your help is much appreciated. Thanks.
Funman13.[/QUOTE]The first time visitors goes to Kenya or Ghana. For kenya specifically Mombasa. You can stay on north coast beach or The village of Mtwapa. (Mtwapa is part of Mombasa district and is simpler to sosua)
After Kenya you may try Madagascar which outperform Kenya for the food, the girls altitude, and sightseeing. Again for non stop fucking go to mombasa. No short time concept so for 20 dollar you can take her for 24h or more.
Assuming you have been locked in prison for 10 years and just went out I may suggest Mombasa as first stop and then Thailand.
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Africa
Thanks Wolverine. I will start reading up on the places you suggest. I hope to make a trip sometime this year. Keep in touch.
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[quote=wolvenvacht;1514632]surely, you jest mr. opebo? why is the vast majority of hotels in pattaya guest-friendly? riding a motorbike in pattaya is for the more suicidally-inclined and for 200 baht you can use a songthaew twenty times. or perhaps you like to subsidize the policemen's retirement fund?[/quote]i hire a scooter (not motorbike) every time i go to pattaya and have had no traffics accident problems in all my visits. there is always a first time i guess though. i have had a few 'interesting' incidents (road rage, etc) , and i have had to pay a few fines to the cops. usually no licence. my fault.
why do i do it? the sheer freedom of being able to hop on a bike, be at a bar or beach road within minutes, and be in a position to whisk a girl off to my room from wherever instantly. oh, and tremendous fun.
i hate to under-spend mr o****, but i have never paid more than 150 baht per day for a bike.
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Soi 6
I am a regular visitor to Soi 6, and have been used to paying the standard 700 + 300 baht charge. On my last visit I noticed more girls were asking 1000 + 300, and I have heard it suggested that this is now the going rate? Any comments?
And what does that make the going rate for LT? Previously I was paying 1500. 1800 + bar fine, and didn't have any complaints. I am reluctant to up this as 2500 baht total starts to seem relatively expensive for a Soi 6 girl.
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I am thinking of renting a bike in Pattaya for a couple of days. Normally I wouldn't need too, but I want to check out some bars on the Dark Side and I am thinking my own transport is the best way to do it.
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R. I. P.
[quote=mouse1; 1516401]i hire a scooter (not motorbike) every time i go to pattaya and have had no traffics accident problems in all my visits. there is always a first time i guess though. i have had a few 'interesting' incidents (road rage, etc) , and i have had to pay a few fines to the cops. usually no licence. my fault.
why do i do it? the sheer freedom of being able to hop on a bike, be at a bar or beach road within minutes, and be in a position to whisk a girl off to my room from wherever instantly. oh, and tremendous fun.
i hate to under-spend mr o****, but i have never paid more than 150 baht per day for a bike.[/quote]hope you have travelers insurance and notify the embassy about your next of kin information.
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If you don't think they will. They most certainly will.
[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1516410]I am thinking of renting a bike in Pattaya for a couple of days. Normally I wouldn't need too, but I want to check out some bars on the Dark Side and I am thinking my own transport is the best way to do it.[/QUOTE]If you do rent a bike then you have to assume that they will cut in front of you go accross 2 lanes to turn right in front of you, fill the half space with a whole bike in front of you and stop immediately for no seemingly good reason after doing all of the above. And I'm talking about the expats not the thai people. Thais are worse. But I've never let that stop me from renting a bike in Thailand every year for over 25 years. If you do get into a fender bender and it's not your fault, don't under any circumstances, let them move either vehicle. I've had two accidents both a thai persons fault and the first time I let the bike taxi move his bike out of the way for traffic purposes and he made it look like it was my fault. I ended up paying for both our bikes and my hospital. The second accident I had to jerk the keys out of the ignition so she couldn't move the van and the police saw that it was her fault so she paid everything.
The freedom of a bike and the fun factor are both good reasons to rent a bike. I rent from a british man across from the rome hotel on thappraya road on the way to jomtien. His prices are good and he carries the bigger bikes. One of them for sure has a truck air horn that comes in handy. I usually pay 150 / day.
Anyway have fun and drive fast and furiously. LAT
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[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1516410]I am thinking of renting a bike in Pattaya for a couple of days. Normally I wouldn't need too, but I want to check out some bars on the Dark Side and I am thinking my own transport is the best way to do it.[/QUOTE]There are very often police check points around town where they pull up riders (and pax) not wearing crash helmets. (circa 400 Baht fine). It's not the fine so much as the pain in the
Ass paying it! Unless you come to some sort of 'arrangement' of course!
I would always recommend wearing a helmet in any event, due to the appalling driving standards.
Although you rarely need to show a driving licence to rent a motor bike these Police check points, especially if manned by the Tourist Police, usually ask to see your Driving Licence.
You technically need an International Driving Permit if you don't have a Thai licence.
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[QUOTE=Bonker04; 1516538]There are very often police check points around town where they pull up riders (and pax) not wearing crash helmets. (circa 400 Baht fine). It's not the fine so much as the pain in the
Ass paying it! Unless you come to some sort of 'arrangement' of course!
I would always recommend wearing a helmet in any event, due to the appalling driving standards.
Although you rarely need to show a driving licence to rent a motor bike these Police check points, especially if manned by the Tourist Police, usually ask to see your Driving Licence.
You technically need an International Driving Permit if you don't have a Thai licence.[/QUOTE]Let me add that there might be also occasional "don't drink & drive" alcohol tests. Some speculate that it is a nice way to increase the revenue of the local police station, rather than supporting th, e "drive safely" campaign and that the test is a bit. Dodgy and in favour of the police.
Whatever the reality is, apart that it is not recommended to D&D, this adds another factor to the "don't drive or don't ride" suggestions (if you are a farang).
An offence on D&D is far more troublesome than the fine for the lack of a crash helmet (I second Bonker, riding a scooter in Thailand is dangerous by default and an helmet is a must) or the lack of proper documents.
It will result in being deteined in the police station, be release thorugh a significant bail (30k be. I have heard) paid by a local, seizeing of passport etc. So not really recommended.
Rule #1 is that the farang is guilty.
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You guys will worry yourself into an early grave.
Of course have travel insurance, wear a helmet and carry your licence. And don't drive if you are incapable. Otherwise a scooter is absolutely fine.
The police checkpoints tend to be within easy walk of the police station on Beach Road and Second Road. Always the same spots. If you are carrying your licence and wearing a helmet it is unlikely to be a problem. I have never seen or heard of a drink drive campaign. I suspect if you are obviously drunk the police will arrest or fine you, and quite rightly so. In practice the traffic police are gone by dusk, and have better things to do.
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[QUOTE=BionicMan;1514163]But 150. 00 $ for a long time is nothing you can get outside of certain SEA countries, or a few southamerican ones.[/QUOTE]Fair enough. The concept of long time is very much a sex tourist destination concept. I was referring more to a two shot couple of hours experience. North American working girl services differ very much from service provided in destinations such as Thailand, Philippines, Sosua-DR. Its just some of the costs quoted in the Thai thread appear to me to be inching toward first world prices.
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[QUOTE=Ehunter; 1513924]I would say be careful. It is a time of year quirk.
That is, as long as you are experienced with the Dominican hustle and you take well to big ass girls it may be worth it to you. Also the travel costs & stress from Canada can't even compare. The Thailand disneyland sex scene is hard to match at any price though. You can only hang in the DR for so long though so Thailand carries another big advantage.[/QUOTE]Personally, I have found tourist touts in Egypt and Morocco much more difficult to deal with than the Dominican hustle. In DR you absolutely have to be cautious with the girls, and lock up your valuables while keeping mostly sober, but otherwise than that its ok. In my Sosua experience I had no problems finding nice tight, young, small assed spinner type bodies. I would not fuck big assed chicks. Travelling to Sosua from Toronto is about four hours for less than half the cost than Thailand. You are absolutely right about not being able to hang out in Sosua for very long, but DR as whole has more to offer-not as much as Thailand though. Thailand is truly the magic sex scene disneyland. Cannot dispute that.
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Can anybody here comment on the amount of tourists? Getting a lot of emails from state dept. About impending doom; I arrive on the 17th. Also wondering if they are raising prices with the baht losing strength against dollar.
Thanks
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[QUOTE=Markaic; 1516785]Can anybody here comment on the amount of tourists? Getting a lot of emails from state dept. About impending doom; I arrive on the 17th. Also wondering if they are raising prices with the baht losing strength against dollar.
Thanks[/QUOTE]Why would they? The average Thai girl is not currency trading. It matters not a jot to her what the exchange rate is (unless the price of rice goes up, and that is controlled by the state). And of course they didn't drop prices when the baht was strong.
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[QUOTE=Mouse1; 1516404]I am a regular visitor to Soi 6, and have been used to paying the standard 700 + 300 baht charge. On my last visit I noticed more girls were asking 1000 + 300, and I have heard it suggested that this is now the going rate? Any comments?
And what does that make the going rate for LT? Previously I was paying 1500. 1800 + bar fine, and didn't have any complaints. I am reluctant to up this as 2500 baht total starts to seem relatively expensive for a Soi 6 girl.[/QUOTE]I got this one or two times on my last visit in late 2012 and I walked to other places. For ST 1000 is the price, all inclusive, too many options to pay more than that.
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Came across the "42 tips on the dangers of Pattaya". Most interesting I thought was the last where someones sister was trampled by an elephant. I guess one can never relax.
[url]http://www.virtualtourist.com/travel/Asia/Thailand/Central_Eastern_Thailand/Pattaya-1449746/Warnings_or_Dangers-Pattaya-TG-C-1.html[/url]
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[QUOTE=Markaic;1516785]Also wondering if they are raising prices with the baht losing strength against dollar.[/QUOTE]There is no reason for prices to be raised. Then Thais could not afford Thailand. They use baht. The only thing prices will be raised on are things like gold where the market price is in US dollars. Also, things that are imported that dollars are used to pay for will take more baht to buy. The bright side is that my rent has gone down. 4500 baht used to be $150, but now it is $136! If this keeps up then I might buy a condo.
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Hey mr Enternational,
Got to remember dollars pay for fuel and fuel prices affect everything nevertheless I was just wondering.
See you on the beach!
Thanks