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**Question to all you Moscow Veterans***
I was wondering if there is an area in Moscow that would be best on all fronts for the first timer? I would like to be close to the sites and the woman, without hassel or spending a huge sum of money or time getting from one place to another. Maybe something like the Moscow version of a Bangkok Soi Cowboy? Or a Amsterdam Red Light Area? Will be in Moscow April 2 through April 11 with a stop in St. Pete for a couple of days in that time. Also, anyone know of any good tattoo places in the area also.
Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.
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Hey Doc,
Thanks a lot for the detailed note on Rossia. Indeed it was very informative. I originaly was staying at Mezhdonarodyana but I have some other people from work who we cannt afford to put there as its 220Us$ / Night and we all have to stay in the same hotel due to meetings , thus I have to make the sacrifice and stay in budget hotel with them . Its surely disappointing about the security problems at Rossia , however I have an idea that In case of a problem I will book a room for my female friends there and they can check in like a guest , its not expensive because I can get them a room in old wing for less then 60 $ and they can then come to my room in the New Wing.I don't mind spending few bucks extra but don't want hassles for the gals or myself. because as I said they are not pros but friends with whom I do share intimate relationship :D
OTTOGRAHAM , I am there in Moscow too during the same period 16th -22nd Feb, but I am not a Local .I don't mind buying a drink to you and other friends from this forum if you are there as well during that period.It will be good to meet friends from WSG.
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Glad to see everybody is going to Moscow, you'll have a good time.
Body Rocker: If you're resilient, you'll be able to get your friend to your room. Worst case would be getting a room. Try just normal registration at the desk though. Especially if she is going to be coming to your room on more than one occasion. After you come back, I'd be interested to read your findings. I'm sure it would be interesting for others as well, since this situation comes up a lot. In any case, good luck! Sounds like you've got yourself set up pretty well with your "friends!"
Swissmann: Actually I meant something else in my post. I meant that I wasn't interested in the Rossia bar girls since they were less attractive than girls I WOULD NOT take in real life, even if I was drunk. But to your point, I actually do usually prefer to try to pick up girls in bars, clubs or otherwise. This is more fun for me... if I can't find something there is still the option of a pro/semi-pro girl. I like picking up normal girls since the sex is "real" and actually the real girls I've had were usually better looking than most of the pros I've had. For first time travellers to Moscow, I think it would be best to have a prostitute on the first night and then try to pick up something on your own on the second night, if you are interested in that.
IMHO the strategies are basically the same as anywhere else, only you will be hampered by the language but will have the advantage of being a foreigner. Picking up girls, drunk or otherwise, in Russia isn't "automatic", but many find it easier than in other places. The most important thing is to get initial contact and get into a conversation...even if just very basic. Once you have her hooked, just reel her in. Your success will of course depend on a lot of things, but I do suggest the following:
a) don't be shy. Waiting around to be "discovered" won't work. You'll have to approach them. Make sure that you don't approach somebody's girlfriend. But this is the same everywhere around the world.
b) always say that you come to Moscow quite often...she'll be more interested in someone she thinks she'll see more than once. She is of course thinking of what advantages a Western boyfriend would have for her. You just want a piece of ass, so tell her whatever she wants to hear.
c) try to go "hunting" with a friend. Being alone surrounded by groups of Russians speaking Russian can be depressing and contact difficult. And you'll look too predatory/desperate for some girls, reducing your chances. If you have someone else to talk to, it will make you feel more comfortable and the hunting will be more fun. Sounds strange, but sometimes I've gotten into conversations with normal Russian men and this made it much easier to pick up girls in the same bar. Russian guys are fun to be with and are proud of the beauty of their women. In my experience Russian guys are not at all angry if you are interested in their women...just as long as it isn't their girlfriend you are after.
d) try to speak at least some Russian...after she hears you making mistakes she'll be more likely to try out her English.
e) don't get too drunk. A drink or two will make it easier for you to seek contact, but being really drunk will ruin your chances entirely.
f) if you meet a girl and hit it off and she doesn't want to spend the night on the first night, make a date for the second night. If she agrees, and she almost always will, you'll be able to screw her the second night...100%.
g) if you don't have success on a particular night, don't feel bad. Go pick up a pro or try again on the next night.
h) one of the easiest contacts is through work. I've met a lot of girls through work contacts and although I've made a point to be very careful not to mess up my business, I've slept with several girls this way...from common secretaries and translators to managers. Some people make it a rule NOT to mix business with pleasure, but I like playing with fire...
One note, the normal girls I've met, for the most part, were far from normal... they are the best girls (and women) I've ever met. They really exceeded my expectations. They are sexually adventurous and passionate, intelligent and sensual. And they love sex. I have had more fun with normal girls than with pros. But there is a good reason to choose pros... as they say "you are not paying them for the sex, you are paying them to go away afterwards"...in other words, no hassle, no broken hearts and no worries.
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Hi all,
I'm are in Moscow from 25-28 April. If anyone from the Forum there this time it would be cool to meet for a beer.
doctor_skank,
Thanx a lot for the Infos. It's good for us that you take the time to write your experience, thanks Man!
If any of you come someday to Switzerland i will be happy to help. I had also post some Info about Zürich in the Switerland Section of this Forum.
Ma by is not on the right place here...but i have to say it. I'm are from time to time in the USA and I like the Gils there. I never see so many Girls whit huge Silicontitts :-) And the Stripclubs in the Staats are the best all over the World.
Take care
Swissman
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Because of the incompetence of my visa service agency, I did not receive my Russian visa in time for my planned visit. Therefore I will have to visit Russia another time.
Sorry to you fellows who were planning on meeting up with me, we'll try it again later.
-Uncle Otto
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Experience with russian language course at "Lomonossow University"?
Hallo,
has anyone experience with a russian language course at the Lomonossow University in Moscow? They offer cheap language courses with university teachers and accomodation in the sturdent´s residences.
Maybe this is a good opportunity to learn the language and meet nice (female) students for a good time.... what do you think?
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Does anybody know anything about the lineup situation Moscow?
Is it safe just to take cab outside one of the clubs and tell the driver that you want a girl? In Russian, this sounds a little rude: "Ya hochu devushki!". Its literal tranlation would be:"I want a young woman!".
So, what is the key sentence to let the taxi driver understand that you want to check out the lineups?
If an experienced WSG'er could shed some light on this, I'd appreciate it.
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For those who would like to check out a *****house in Moscow, I'd recommend salon Wellcum. I have been there three times, and each time they had absolutely wonderful girls.
Check out the link if interested:
http://www.dosug.org/dosug/04301219/index.htm
When you go there during the day, most girls they advertise on that website won't be there, but they will still have a decent selection.
Once inside, you'll be asked if you want tea or coffee, and the girls available will line up in front of you. Have some small talk with them, ask if anybody speaks English etc. After you choose the girl(s) the girl will take you to the bathroom for a shower and she'll take a shower after you are done.
I felt completely safe and had no problems whatsoever. First and third times I had an incredibly sexy Ukranian girl called Margarita. Incredibly beautiful body. The second time I chose a Russian beauty called Liza.
I think this is a good alternative to taking girls to your hotel. If you are young and can go two or three times in an hour, it turns out to be also a good value.
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I've noticed everyone here appear to avoid the "street" girls in Moscow. I think you are making a mistake, given a few simple rules to help you find the best selection.
First, the further out you go the newer or fresher girls you will find. Himkee is now the largest and probably best selection (on Leningradsky shosse heading to the airport Sheremetyevo). Girls who come to Moscow are started out there -- as it is just beyond the city limits they can work without a moscow registration, and it takes a week or two for them to get those papers that will allow them to move around the city a little more safely.
If you are willing to take your time and look you can find girls who have just started working without any problem. First, simply ask the "mamachka" for a girl who has not worked long (ne davno rabotat) and she will often point out the new ones. Also, as the girls line up in your headlights (often 10-30 at a time) look carefully and you can pick out the ones that just don't belong or fit in. Often, they are a little more nervous than the others - and who wouldn't be!
You might say, but they can lie to you about it.. but once you have a fresh girl in your room it is easy to tell them apart, and when you do find a new girl she is more likely to spend the week with you if you ask. Also, girls are the best source of information on anything else you are looking for, and will often call up their "girlfriends" to help you out.
So don't miss out on an amazing opportunity. These girls are fresh from Moldova, Ukraine, Belarus, Uzbek and Kazak, plus other provinces of Russia, and are worth the $70 or $150 you will pay. There are always a few 8's and 9's if you are willing to drive around for an hour or so.
And remember, to fully enjoy you have to go with the culture. They expect a firm man, domineering. I have found that by just putting her forearm behind her back and feeling her up against the wall will generally set the stage for a wonderful night of service and obedience. If you are into anal, the girls on the street are the place to go as well as every other variety you might imagine.
email me for more info if you want.
Michael
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Hedonist, I've never taken a cab to a line-up... usually just walked in from a club and tell the main mama how much you want to spend. She'll holler out for the girls to line-up. There are usually two or three levels, most recently... $70, $100 and, maybe, $150.
After picking a girl, you can cruise out and get a car to your apt/hotel.
When I was last in Moscow, in Jan/early Feb. the line-ups were only running on Fri and Sat. However, I understand that they are back running 6/7 nights.
However, they are getting some pressure from the local militia because of the uncoming Duma election AND a law that is pending in the Duma to outlaw prostitution inside Moscow(and maybe Russia). Good luck!
There is one line-up at the Lubyanskaya Pl. just down from Red Sq. and there are many on the way to and from SVO. If you want to email me at californiatraveler@hotmail.com, I'll share a couple more spots close to Chesterfields.
I've never felt threatened by walking up to a line-up. In fact, you're probably safer there than walk on the street because they don't want anything to happen to their customers.
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CA Traveler and Michael:
Thanks a lot for great posts. I really want to give lineups a try in my next trip. I have a logistical question.
People like me who visit Moscow for limited time of course don't have a car there. Probably renting a car is also a hassle. How do you go those lineups? I don't know, maybe Michael you live in Moscow... CA Traveler mentioned a few spots within Moscow that you can walk to. As for the others, should I forget about them, or try taking a cab outside a club as recommended. What's your advice guys? How do you play this game?
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MichaelGage, I want to email you for further info, but you didn't write your email address.
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MG, I don't know how I missed your post earlier, but you give excellent advice about the lineup girls. My experience is exactly the same as yours and I have definitely experienced some of my best sex ever from the "fresh" lineup girls. I also find that a substantial number of the girls only work a few nights a month to supplement their income. Plus, as you say, any of the girls that you click with will be anxious to stay for as many nights as you want them, simply because they never know who's going to take them home and beat the crap out of them just to show who's "boss".
According to some of the girls, they typically only only get 40-50% of the total charge. So a $70 girl may only get $35 tops! In fact, I've found that some of the newer girls tend to start at the lower price category for some reason. I stayed with an 18 y.o. for about a week in November... she was a real beauty, but I couldn't figure out why she'd choose the lineup instead of NF or CF where she could keep the whole fee? I think the real reason is that they don't feel comfortable with their English or _______ to focus on foreigners! In fact, combined with their level of comfort as you mentioned, many of the newer girls even at CF or NF can be identified because they don't have the English phrases down pat and are embarassed at their level of English!
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MichaelGage
I am in Moscow next week. I had wanted to email you for further info, but don't know your email either
Thanks
ariesman2003@hotmail.com.
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Hello Friends,
Ok I am back from Moscow and here is the update.
Hotel Rossiya : Doctor Skank , you were right its impossible to get pass the security and take the girls up to your room. The security is everywhere and even the hotel guest have to show them the registration card to get up to the elevator. I had some problems with my payment as we somehow landed up paying much extra at Rossiya hotel so two ladies from my travel agent in Moscow came up to hotel Russiya with me sort it out and we wanted to visit the In Tourist office on the first floor , but the security at the elevator stopped and even when the ladies offered to keep their passport with them till they came back , they were not allowed . regarding registration at the desk , as rightly pointed out earlier in the forum the hotel reception desk is always full with people and thus I couldn't try to check with them.
Hotel Russiya has its own girls and one can call up the Guest Relation desk and ask for the Massage in the room. Don't try the Sauna at the hotel as there you will only get the Veg massage. The lady at the guest relation took my room number and later I got a call from another girl to negotiate the rates . she asked for 100 $ for an hour . I insisted for 2 hours and she finaly agreed. 10 Mints later 2 girls came to my room. One from Bellarus (7) and one from Moscow (6) I picked one but they offered for both and asked for 200 $ , finaly we agreed for 150 $ for both for Hour and half. When in bed they first licked me all over and then played withmy dick and then BJ (covered) Did the first one Doggy and after few minutes they pulled me out .. changed the rubber and the second one took the position. Anyway sex was good and I came two times during hour and half .. so it was good value for money as in between I got nice body massage from them.
Next evening while walking in the hotel corridor (late night) I saw 2 girls who were probably comming after serving a guest , I just game them interesting look and they stopped and asked "SEX / MASSAGE? I didn't find them hot so I just let them go. Also once I took the service from the hotel , they started calling me late night and the girl will ask if I need the ladies in my room.
After 3 nights in hotel Russiya I decided to change the hotel . I personaly don't like very big hotel and this one was massive with 3000 rooms and Its easy to get lost. So I moved in to Radisson for the later part of my trip. I checked up the night club of Radisson called Grand Prix . Cover charge 500 Rubles on week days and 600 at times on the weekend. They have Shows with some good looking girls and they have around 15 pros hainging out there. The quality of girls there was very good. Most of them 7-8 and some even 9 except a few 5-6. Its easy to speak to them and they will sit with you and chat over a drink. The prices however they ask is 300$ which I found very high . I maximum I could bring them down was 200$ and that was around 1 am .I felt that was not the right price and more than the going rates in Moscow so I didn't pick. Also I noticed that just one or two guys finaly took the girls from the club to their rooms as most of them after chating and drinking split , guess it was because of the high prices. Also The massage at the health club of Radisson is veg so avoid it unless you realy are interested in a body massage.
Another good option is to look at Moscow Times and see under "Introduction" All adverts there are for Sex. Avoid a lady called TAMARA , she is not hot and also not that young, though she comes cheaper 70-80 $ for one hour may be even 60$ if negotiated properly. The other one I tried from Moscow times was 100$ for an hour and was good , name was Olga, she told me she dosen't advertise regularly( The advert from TAMARA is there everyday), she was around 23-25 and a 7. Good BJ Skills and dosent hurry .
For the first time visitors to Moscow , it not a easy place . The Immigration / Customs is unlike Europe. You have to always carry your passport (original) when in Moscow together with the Hotel registration paper (the hotel puts the seal on the back of your immigration card which you retain after entering Moscow) Also please take care that you don't loose the Customs Decleration form which you fill at Arrival and declare the amount of currency what you bring in to Moscow. Pls keep that safe as you will have to hand it back on Departure together with one more custom decleration form which you fill at the departure.
I also would recomend using the VIP channel. its legal as you get the receipt . Ask you travel agent that you need the VIP channel on arrival and departure , it cost 65$ per person each way , but it saves lot of hassels. There is a seperate VIP area with seperate Custom / Check in / Immigration desk and once you have done the Customs and the check in ( in Moscow first one has to clear the customs and then the checkin ) the immigration desk will take your passports and bording passes and you can wait in hall or go upstairs in the lounge where they also serve drinks etc. Before the departure of the fight they will announce ( I only heard them announcing in Russian in the lounge so its better you keep asking them if its your flight) Once your flight is ready one of the staff members with VIP sign would hand back your passport with exit stamps already on them and then escort you to the security gate . If there is a long que , they will make sure they stop everyone else and let you go first through the security . I think it makes life easy as while comming in Moscow I was unware of this system and I did had some problems with the customs , but while going back I took this VIP channel and it was smooth.
I will probably go back in September to Moscow and I would love to hear from other hunters more on the scene at Radisson.
Thanks folks and happy hunting