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The catch? Well in the background audio I hear some guy speaking in tagaloc obviously telling her how to pose and move. She never says anything and never speaks my name.
[/QUOTE]Slightly OT: For iPhone users please aware that when you take a picture the iphone is also taking a series of images around the same time which can be replayed as a movie with sound. I almost came unstuck as I took a picture of my meal with my temporary filipina laughing in the backgroud. Thinking to show it to my more permanent filipina I only had a still photo of my lonely single man's meal when viewed as the iphone live picture it revealed I was having dinner with a laughing slight drunk filipina.
BD.
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[QUOTE=BrainDrain;2080991]Slightly OT: For iPhone users please aware that when you take a picture the iphone is also taking a series of images around the same time which can be replayed as a movie with sound. I almost came unstuck as I took a picture of my meal with my temporary filipina laughing in the backgroud. Thinking to show it to my more permanent filipina I only had a still photo of my lonely single man's meal when viewed as the iphone live picture it revealed I was having dinner with a laughing slight drunk filipina.
BD.[/QUOTE]Great point! The iPhone 6 and later essentially makes a 3 second mini movie before the take picture button is snapped. If you copy photos manually from your phone you will see a "IMG_123. Jpg" and "IMG_123. Mov" where the "mov" file is the movie WITH audio. If you are sending the photo via some app like iMessage the app will probably send the mov file.
Android phones have started appearing with this feature as well, though I don't remember which ones off hand.
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[QUOTE=BrainDrain;2080991]Slightly OT: For iPhone users please aware that when you take a picture the iphone is also taking a series of images around the same time which can be replayed as a movie with sound. I almost came unstuck as I took a picture of my meal with my temporary filipina laughing in the backgroud. Thinking to show it to my more permanent filipina I only had a still photo of my lonely single man's meal when viewed as the iphone live picture it revealed I was having dinner with a laughing slight drunk filipina.
BD.[/QUOTE]OT or not its a damn good observation and a nice share. Hell its only ms fortunas help I didn't get into trouble. I've done countless "solo" dinners or the typical "just sitting in my room alone and miss you my dear" pics. Both cases with girls (not only pinays) right next to me. Something to thing about from this day.
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[QUOTE=BrainDrain;2080991]Slightly OT: For iPhone users please aware that when you take a picture the iphone is also taking a series of images around the same time which can be replayed as a movie with sound. I almost came unstuck as I took a picture of my meal with my temporary filipina laughing in the backgroud. Thinking to show it to my more permanent filipina I only had a still photo of my lonely single man's meal when viewed as the iphone live picture it revealed I was having dinner with a laughing slight drunk filipina.
BD.[/QUOTE]You can turn this feature on or off on the camera screen before taking pictures. The controls are right at the top of the screen in the middle appearing as concetric circles.
You live and you learn. .
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Here's a good site with chat rooms - [URL]http://www.chatsexocam.com/en/[/URL].
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+1 Hutsori. Clumsy Girl story
[QUOTE=Hutsori;1531900]regular girl left for work this morning and i didn't have anything planned until tonight. sent out my vd greetings and received replies from many asking whether i have a date tonight. shucks, i have to work tonight. clumsy girl from fc, who i met twice before, works at a call centre and today was her off day. sure, you can come at 11am. went to mercury drug and picked up a red, heart-shaped tin of lindt chocolates and a few sachets of lubrisafe anal lube at p7 each - much more affordable than the imported tube of kentucky jelly at p350.
clumsy girl arrived a little late; "happy valentine's day, baby," and i handed her the anal lube. "hmmpf! so romantic!" she exclaimed with a frown. i then gave her the chocolates and her disposition brightened. pulling off the lid clumsy girl lost her grip and the tin dropped to the floor, the chocolates rep001tering here and there. whilst i swept the living room floor clumsy girl showered. when done she called me into the bedroom. she grabbed my hard cock, pulled it into her mouth, and for the next few minutes her large teeth scraped up and down along my shaft. don't forget to gnaw on the head with your molars, clumsy girl.
over the next 90 minutes she elbowed my face twice but the highlight was she flipped over to change positions and her knee landed solidly on my right testicle. what she lacked in grace and dexterity she made up for in painful passion and violent vigour. believing that her first anal experience would be especially dangerous for me i tied her up. that went without any major mishaps except for some spillage from her rear - the sheets are now in the laundry machine.
"let's shower together," clumsy girl requested. ah yes, what could possibly go wrong on a wet, slippery ceramic surface? count me in. i went under the warm water first and started lathering up with the soap. clumsy girl followed, found the water temperature too warm, and turned the faucet handle right. a strong blast of chilly water hit me. "i want to wash you," she said, grabbing the soap from my hands. of course it slipped right out of her hands to the floor, and when bending down to retrieve it she knocked me into the wall. i rinsed and made my escape.
she dressed, put on her make up, and squirted some perfume on herself. "do you like this scent?" clumsy girl asked as she sprayed my face with it. my eyes have never smelt nicer.
the sacrifices we make to ensure the girl enjoys a memorable day.
y'all have a safe valentine's day.[/QUOTE]I do have fun going backwards and reading various posts over time. This one was so funny thought people might like another read. Need a +1 button!
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[QUOTE=BaddHabbit;2092182]I do have fun going backwards and reading various posts over time. This one was so funny thought people might like another read. Need a +1 button![/QUOTE]Yep. That really was worth a read. I must have missed it the first time. We've all had girls like that, that dot quite have the close personal co-ordination.
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[QUOTE=Peter4552;2089898]Here's a good site with chat rooms - [URL]http://www.chatsexocam.com/en/[/URL].[/QUOTE]Of course it's a total waste of fuking time, but whatever.
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[QUOTE=Dinghy;2093123]Of course it's a total waste of fuking time, but whatever.[/QUOTE]Post number 1 from a new member = spam.
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How the Internet gave Mail-Order Brides the power.
Article claims that rural Filipinas have flipped the dating script on foreign men with the help of internet tools to hunt and catch their prey.
[URL]https://www.wired.com/2017/03/how-the-internet-gave-mail-order-brides-the-power/[/URL]
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[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2093418]Article claims that rural Filipinas have flipped the dating script on foreign men with the help of internet tools to hunt and catch their prey.
[URL]https://www.wired.com/2017/03/how-the-internet-gave-mail-order-brides-the-power/[/URL][/QUOTE]Article written by a female journalist in Wired presents an implausible but predictable narrative about the empowerment of economically-disadvantaged minority women over old white males by the power of the internet. Substantiation is limited to a single example of dipshit white-knight noob courting a discarded 40-something single mom by throwing money at her, without meeting her or ever visiting the Philippines. Many lulz are had by all.
Let's not get too excited here.
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[QUOTE=RollAides;2094504]Article written by a female journalist in Wired presents an implausible but predictable narrative about the empowerment of economically-disadvantaged minority women over old white males by the power of the internet. Substantiation is limited to a single example of dipshit white-knight noob courting a discarded 40-something single mom by throwing money at her, without meeting her or ever visiting the Philippines. Many lulz are had by all.
Let's not get too excited here.[/QUOTE]Yes, and even this story has no conclusion. The journalist may have read Tom Friedman's argument that the internet has made the world flat, but it's not quite that simple.
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Journalists
[QUOTE=RollAides;2094504]Article written by a female journalist in Wired presents an implausible but predictable narrative about the empowerment of economically-disadvantaged minority women over old white males by the power of the internet. Substantiation is limited to a single example of dipshit white-knight noob courting a discarded 40-something single mom by throwing money at her, without meeting her or ever visiting the Philippines. Many lulz are had by all.
Let's not get too excited here.[/QUOTE]Impartial thoughtful journalism no longer exists. Most journalism today has deteriorated into ranting.
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Moved from AC thread
[QUOTE=BrainDrain;2108398]Having been on Pinalove for a year there are some regular scrags who should be avoided. Different names and profiles, sames pictures and modus operandi.
Then again Pinalove is still a good place for talent. Can just dial up your are preference and there are a handful for Pampanga. Do check the recent activity as any profile that hasn't been accessed for 14 days is most likely inactive. There are many less that it appears.[/QUOTE]BD provides a great reminder.
I had let my "membership" of Pinalove lapse for the past 6 months and last night I opened up the site again (as a non-member) but still with my preferred age range listed and I was dismayed to see that around 70% of the candidates were the same collection as I had seen for the past year.
There were some fresh faces though so BDs comment in his 2nd para is worth noting.
It emphasizes the fact that the girls with very attractive pics and well-written and enticing narratives must be professional money-seekers otherwise they would have found the "man of their dreams" long ago. They are clearly working the site looking for newbies who don't realize that they have been on pinalove for years. The really clever ones keep changing their names (with a new posting) so that it looks like they are new.
It's an interesting social phenomenon to observe all the dynamics at play.
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What are the limitations to sex questions on DIA?
I have been kicked off from DIA three times, and its a pain in the ass to get back on. They are not nearly as savvy as some people suggest: you only need a new email address and a new cell phone number for them to text an activation code. That has worked fine the last two times (the first time I was kicked off, I only needed a new email address because they did not yet do the phone activation code yet).
Many of the men here (like me) like to be honest before taking the girl home for sex. I am simply not looking for my next girlfriend (although sometimes that happens) and definitely NEVER looking for a wife. I could probably fuck 75% of the girls on the first date and all but one or two on the second date if I said I told them I was looking for LTR or marriage ("serious" But, I am not. I just want a date that ends naked and horizontal.
Has anyone here ever told a DIA girl that you are only looking for a short time girl for fun? I would never mention compensation, because I think you would have to be very smart in your wording to avoid flagging the system. Most of the girls know that they will get money (even the girls who date for "serious" expect money, despite protestations to thecontrary), and if they raise the issue I simply say, "you will be happy when you leave"). Mostly, I never mention money because I worry that the DIA computer algorithms would flag such a statement and close my account. I like DIA and want to keep it. I have literally found a dozen girls from DIA over the last five years and find it a good resource.
By the way, on pinalove, you can ask about sex straight out without getting blocked. It is true that most of the girls have been trolling for a long time and are therefore pros or semi-pros, but I like that (cheaper and usually far more GFE than an escort service). But, there are plenty of new girls of all ages, many of whom are not looking for "serious" if you propose something less than a LTR.
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Forest: DIA can be a real pain in the ass with things like that. You even have top watch sending a message too similar to too many women, for example if shortly before your trip you ping a bunch with your WeChat address or whatever, it's easy to copy-paste-edit-send this one message but DIA will pick up the similarities and treat this as spam.
Twice now I have had an account closed for zero good reason, one time I suspect it was a lady I'd met whom I turned down because she proved to be very fat compared to her taken-a-decade-ago photo so I think she lodged a complain against my profile in spite.
At least with Blendr they give you a warning, but DIA just shuts you right down, and while you can set up a fresh account you lose all the chats (including details on the girls etc) from your previous account.
So yeah, you have to skirt the issue of P4P very carefully in the language you use! It's made worse because in my experience a lot of them just tick all the boxes to say what they're looking for in a relationship, including 'dating' and 'romance' (not sure how DIA differentiates between those or expects anybody else to do so), yet when you try to raise the prospect of a casual 'dating' encounter some ladies rear up at the idea of 'just fun, just sex'. So you have to be very diplomatic too, and this just makes things harder.
My MO is to explain that as a travelling businessman I visit a city on my own, and stay for a few days and it'd be nice to have the company of an interesting local lady for dinners and nights and maybe some local sight-seeing, and I also make it clear in my profile that I am not seeing a long-term relationship. Some women still need you to walk through what this 'means' for them and will quickly jump to criticism you only want sex or fun or friends with benefits, and that's where I have to tread gently because if they're offended and click that button to report you to DIA, bang, you can be banned.
(I just explain that I visit the city often and would like to see them each time I visit, the first thing though is that we get along well and that we both enjoy our time together and that we are honest with each other "just like I am being honest with you" etc, because the honesty & respect card plays well with them and can mollify them).
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One other thing on Date In Asia – try to get the girl's WeChat or WhatsApp details as early as you can and note those down, just in case your DIA account is later closed through no fault of your own, at least you won't have to go back after setting up a new account to find all those girls from scratch.
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[QUOTE=Flyboy2000;2110041]
<SNIP>
My MO is to explain that as a travelling businessman I visit a city on my own, and stay for a few days and it'd be nice to have the company of an interesting local lady for dinners and nights and maybe some local sight-seeing, and I also make it clear in my profile that I am not seeing a long-term relationship. Some women still need you to walk through what this 'means' for them and will quickly jump to criticism you only want sex or fun or friends with benefits, and that's where I have to tread gently because if they're offended and click that button to report you to DIA, bang, you can be banned.
(I just explain that I visit the city often and would like to see them each time I visit, the first thing though is that we get along well and that we both enjoy our time together and that we are honest with each other "just like I am being honest with you" etc, because the honesty & respect card plays well with them and can mollify them).[/QUOTE]I like your MO FlyB and your careful and thoughtful response highlighted above. That's the only way to succeed on DIA, and I abandoned it ages ago.
I now use pinalove exclusively.
Even there, it gets very difficult when you meet someone on line who acts very demure and innocent at first and conveys the impression of disgust at the guys who are only interested in sex. Most times I don't persist and cut off the chat at that point but I am amazed at how, if you keep stringing them along, and they get to "know" you better, they suddenly change their approach.
I chatted to one of these "pure" types recently. Very attractive and definitive about how she hated "naughty" chat and dirty men and there were so many online.. After some back and forth chatter I mentioned that I am tall and slim and she remarked that in my photo I seemed to have long fingers. When I agreed with her that my fingers were long she then said "I wonder what else is long".
Bingo!
The rest of the chat was very naughty and by the time we finished she was suggesting that we should meet so she could, amongst other things, check up if I was telling the truth.
One chat of two completely different halves. She is a work in progress.
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[QUOTE=Forest;2109884]
Has anyone here ever told a DIA girl that you are only looking for a short time girl for fun?[/QUOTE]Yes, but that was before it got draconian. The site's key word filter is too capricious and god knows what will get you banned. Establish contact, exchange details for email, sms, or video, and move there.
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[QUOTE=RedKilt;2110160]I chatted to one of these "pure" types recently. Very attractive and definitive about how she hated "naughty" chat and dirty men and there were so many online.. After some back and forth chatter I mentioned that I am tall and slim and she remarked that in my photo I seemed to have long fingers. When I agreed with her that my fingers were long she then said "I wonder what else is long".
[/QUOTE]I think your kilt is long because you don't wear anything under it.
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[QUOTE=RedKilt;2110160] I now use pinalove exclusively. ..they get to "know" you better, they suddenly change their approach.. ..she then said "I wonder what else is long".[/QUOTE]Thanks Red. I may have to try this since DIA kicked me out and I have had only moderate success with Fiilpino Cupid. So many scammer chicks. On another topic, have you been to Ozamiz City? Is it safe there? There is a cupid chick there I would like to see. Or maybe fly her to Cebu. Cheers, mate.
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Pushing your luck.
[QUOTE=DCups;2110609]Thanks Red. I may have to try this since DIA kicked me out and I have had only moderate success with Fiilpino Cupid. So many scammer chicks. On another topic, have you been to Ozamiz City? Is it safe there? There is a cupid chick there I would like to see. Or maybe fly her to Cebu. Cheers, mate.[/QUOTE]I've traveled extensively by public transport over most of Mindanao. Times have changed and now it is increasingly dangerous in many parts of the island. Rather than flying her to Cebu (Dapitan or CDO) better to have her take a ferry to Cebu.
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[QUOTE=DCups;2110609]On another topic, have you been to Ozamiz City? Is it safe there? There is a cupid chick there I would like to see. Or maybe fly her to Cebu. Cheers, mate.[/QUOTE]I have been there several times but not since 2005 and with the renewed NPA activity all over the Philippines I wouldn't be going there myself for a while. NPA = New Peoples' Army. It's a rag-tag guerilla group but in some areas (East to SE Luzon), they are quite well organized
I'd fly her (or ferry her) to Cebu if I were you.
To other guys chatting to women in various far-flung places, be advised that Pres Du30 has decided to go to war with the NPA and they have retaliated by saying "bring it on". Since there are pockets of NPA cells all over the country, you should take more care in travelling off the beaten track. If they step up their activity they will need additional funds, and a white guy roaming around might be tempting as a potential source.
Don't listen to the locals when they say "it's very safe here". They always say that. It's safe for them. Their judgment is not always good.
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Pics online
Tip for those using dating or meeting sites online.
Some girls post multiple pics in which their mouths are very tightly closed.
Buyer beware. The closed mouth usually signals some dental irregularities that they wish to conceal.
Further evidence can be gathered by chatting with cam; it is difficult to conceal crooked or missing teeth in that situation.
I mention this factor because of direct experience within the past 2 weeks, and when I checked out a sample of profiles I saw several candidates with the "closed mouth" look.
I suggest they may be hiding something.
Of course, for guys like DCups who never looks above the chest, a wrecked mouth probably doesn't matter (joke lang).
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[QUOTE=RedKilt;2110818]I have been there several times but not since 2005 and with the renewed NPA activity all over the Philippines I wouldn't be going there myself for a while. NPA = New Peoples' Army. It's a rag-tag guerilla group but in some areas (East to SE Luzon), they are quite well organized
I'd fly her (or ferry her) to Cebu if I were you.
To other guys chatting to women in various far-flung places, be advised that Pres Du30 has decided to go to war with the NPA and they have retaliated by saying "bring it on". Since there are pockets of NPA cells all over the country, you should take more care in travelling off the beaten track. If they step up their activity they will need additional funds, and a white guy roaming around might be tempting as a potential source.
Don't listen to the locals when they say "it's very safe here". They always say that. It's safe for them. Their judgment is not always good.[/QUOTE]The NPA raises funds from extorting local and foreign businesses. That is something to keep in mind for those aspiring to do business in the Philippines. In addition, they raise funds for their operations by cultivating and selling weed. Potheads looking to score highs may unwittingly fall into the clutches of NPA cells looking to take hostages for ransom. The only consolation for fellas taken hostage is that some of the NPA girls have really big boobs, which can distract some men from dwelling on the misery of captivity.
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[QUOTE=Forest;2109884]I have been kicked off from DIA three times, and its a pain in the ass to get back on. They are not nearly as savvy as some people suggest: you only need a new email address and a new cell phone number for them to text an activation code. That has worked fine the last two times.[/QUOTE]I got booted off DIA before I even arrived here in Phils and all I did was change my profile pic and location to a city in Phils, the pics were easily recognizable as being myself in both, I then got my local sim sorted and registered another account with different email addy, no code sent WTF.
Waste of time, we chat was off the hook in manila but no good as it ain't in the search criteria (at least I can't find it) theres only 4 areas listed, Cebu, Caloocan, Davao and manila. Am I missing something?
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[QUOTE=RedKilt;2110916]Some girls post multiple pics in which their mouths are very tightly closed. Buyer beware. The closed mouth usually signals some dental irregularities that they wish to conceal. Of course, for guys like DCups who never looks above the chest, a wrecked mouth probably doesn't matter (joke lang).[/QUOTE]Hahahaha, well said!
And very true, I've also noticed quite a few pics where the mouth is *too* closed, and when you scroll through their other pics you see some with them smiling to show teeth covered in braces. Seems like rather a lot of Pinays even in 20's have braces. Not rushing to those as a rule, not that I have an issue with braces but I completed my quota of girls-with-braces tongue-kissing and blowjobs back when I was a teenager!
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[QUOTE=Flyboy2000;2111323]Hahahaha, well said!
And very true, I've also noticed quite a few pics where the mouth is *too* closed, and when you scroll through their other pics you see some with them smiling to show teeth covered in braces. Seems like rather a lot of Pinays even in 20's have braces. Not rushing to those as a rule, not that I have an issue with braces but I completed my quota of girls-with-braces tongue-kissing and blowjobs back when I was a teenager![/QUOTE]We've had this discussion in the Forum before. Many of the girls are using home braces kits to make themselves look more affluent. If you want dental perfection then that is in the USA.[/quote]
I know a beautiful degree qualified, 24 year old, no kids filipina that I've been seeing regularly for the past 6 months. Last visit she now has braces. Would you drop her wonderful performance and friendship because she has braces?
As for dental hygiene the girls and filipinos in general brush their teeth extensively.
Turning away girls just because they have braces would reduce your experiences.
BD.
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[QUOTE=BrainDrain;2111577]Turning away girls just because they have braces would reduce your experiences.
BD.[/QUOTE]As long as she does not get her braces caught on your todger BD during a BJ. I agree they clean their teeth a lot (well the ones I know do) but it surprising the number who have dentures. Oral hygiene is very important in many way and if you sploodge on her dentures the taste may linger if some gets trapped LOL.
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[QUOTE=Flyboy2000;2111323]I've also noticed quite a few pics where the mouth is *too* closed, and when you scroll through their other pics you see some with them smiling to show teeth covered in braces. Seems like rather a lot of Pinays even in 20's have braces. Not rushing to those as a rule, not that I have an issue with braces but I completed my quota of girls-with-braces tongue-kissing and blowjobs back when I was a teenager![/QUOTE]Like BD said, those are not real braces. In Latin America as well the craze is fashion braces. My ex girlfriend in PI had fucked up teeth. When I asked her how much braces would cost she said $800. If you think the chicks you are scrolling through on the internet are paying that much for real braces then you have another thing coming.
P. S. I don't think modern day authentic braces come with the snagging effect that their predecessors did.
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[QUOTE=RengadeMaster;2111229]
Waste of time, we chat was off the hook in manila but no good as it ain't in the search criteria (at least I can't find it) theres only 4 areas listed, Cebu, Caloocan, Davao and manila. Am I missing something?[/QUOTE]I suppose you are talking about the region you have to enter in your profile? It doesn't matter what you fill in there. You can fill in your home country and region or any other country and region.
Just click on 'Discover' and then 'People Nearby' and WeChat will find the people who are close to you, based on the location setting of your phone. So that must be turned on and set to 'high accuracy'.
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The dentally challenged.
[QUOTE=WickedRoger;2111704]As long as she does not get her braces caught on your todger BD during a BJ. I agree they clean their teeth a lot (well the ones I know do) but it surprising the number who have dentures. Oral hygiene is very important in many way and if you sploodge on her dentures the taste may linger if some gets trapped LOL.[/QUOTE]There was a 60-year-old fella on the Davao board looking for girls to cuddle and kiss. Anyway, his greatest fear was catching his foreskin between the girls' braces and their teeth during a blowjob. He also had a phobia of false teeth and was terrified of kissing girls with dentures. I think in the end, he decided to make the girls take out their dentures before kisses and blowjobs. In spite of the ubiquity of rotten teeth and dentures in the Philippines, he was able to find a Pinay to cuddle and kiss in the end. He was planning to marry one of the girls in Davao and take her back to Italy. Apparently, they arrived at a compromise. Instead of keeping her false teeth in a jar of water on the nightstand next to the bed, she promised to hide them in the medicine cabinet in the bathroom so he would not be frightened in the mornings. Love really does conquer all.
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[QUOTE=DCups;2110609]Thanks Red. I may have to try this since DIA kicked me out and I have had only moderate success with Fiilpino Cupid. So many scammer chicks. On another topic, have you been to Ozamiz City? Is it safe there? There is a cupid chick there I would like to see. Or maybe fly her to Cebu. Cheers, mate.[/QUOTE]One of my fellow co workers is from Ozamiz and states its challenged these days but within city limits you would probably be safe. We were jibber jabbering regarding this prior to me reading this thread and he told me if he picked me up I would be safer than if I traveled by myself because back home he would through "the word of mouth" get an idea if any unwanted activity was nearby. I don't know if I would trust a online girl though to take care of your safety and all that.
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[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2111929]He also had a phobia of false teeth and was terrified of kissing girls with dentures. I think in the end, he decided to make the girls take out their dentures before kisses and blowjobs. In spite of the ubiquity of rotten teeth and dentures in the Philippines, [/QUOTE]I knew that broad had dentures. I used to mess with a pinay chick here in Pattaya that is married to a well off European. Her teeth were pretty much perfect in the front and when I kissed her it felt like plastic on the roof of her mouth. I had my suspicions but now I guess it was true.
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[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2111929]Instead of keeping her false teeth in a jar of water on the nightstand next to the bed, she promised to hide them in the medicine cabinet in the bathroom so he would not be frightened in the mornings. Love really does conquer all.[/QUOTE]That, and a thousand pesos.
Haha you're killin' me Smalls!
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[QUOTE=BrainDrain;2111577]As for dental hygiene the girls and filipinos in general brush their teeth extensively.[/QUOTE]But did you ever see one who uses floss, or, if you introduce her to it, knows how to use it?
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[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2112132]But did you ever see one who uses floss, or, if you introduce her to it, knows how to use it?[/QUOTE]No. I've shown several girls, but they think its odd.
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[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2112180]No. I've shown several girls, but they think its odd.[/QUOTE]My experience too. And they see no point in continuing wiith it.
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[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2112708]My experience too. And they see no point in continuing wiith it.[/QUOTE]From their perspective, floss is also expensive. Also the girls brush for fresh breath, I'm not sure they are familiar with plaque.
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[QUOTE=Mogwai;2111754]I suppose you are talking about the region you have to enter in your profile? It doesn't matter what you fill in there. You can fill in your home country and region or any other country and region.
Just click on 'Discover' and then 'People Nearby' and WeChat will find the people who are close to you, based on the location setting of your phone. So that must be turned on and set to 'high accuracy'.[/QUOTE]I have location settings on for we chat but its throwing up people from Cebu saying they are 100 mtrs from me and I'm in Dumagete, now I'm no geography expert but Cebu is deffo more than a few hundred mtrs from Duma, something ain't right.
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[QUOTE=RengadeMaster;2112781]I have location settings on for we chat but its throwing up people from Cebu saying they are 100 mtrs from me and I'm in Dumagete, now I'm no geography expert but Cebu is deffo more than a few hundred mtrs from Duma, something ain't right.[/QUOTE]That's because those people have chosen to fill in Cebu as the region where they live in their profile. Like you said there are only 4 choices, so they take the one that's the closest to where they live.
When you are in Angeles and use WeChat you will see that almost all of the people that show up in People Nearby are from Manila. But most of them are not really from Manila but live in Angeles and are really close to you.
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Is there value to chatting on a Chat Site?
Typically I rely on face to face options (bars, shopping malls, freelancers etc) for hook ups. However, I'm in Dumaguete heading to Cebu tomorrow so I thought I would try my luck at using PinaLove to prearrange some options.
Let me say upfront that I have zero experience with the Chat sites and zero Game when it comes to on line hook ups. Despite that I've been flooded with options for meetings and within one or two messages, I've got their number and an ok to meet up when I arrive. Only one girl told me outright that she will not meet at the hotel (perhaps she will be ok with returning after an introductory coffe, who knows? All the other seem keen as mustard. I realise that some / a lot will just be promises and will fall by the way side but the odds are still looking good for a busy time in Cebu.
My question is what value do others see in extended online correspondence with the girls? I read of guys having long conversations with them, video chats etc. Is there value in this? I've got no interest in dirty talk nor swapping naked pics. I've already got their contact details and know what they look like so why the courting period online?
My plan is to meet at a convenient coffee shop or similar for final interviews. If the profile photos are 5 years or 50 lbs ago we can just shake hands and walk away. I've only lost the cost of a coffee. That's a small price to pay for the opportunity to judge the viability. Is this a good plan or have I missed something?
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[QUOTE=Goferring;2113045]My question is what value do others see in extended online correspondence with the girls? I read of guys having long conversations with them, video chats etc. Is there value in this? I've got no interest in dirty talk nor swapping naked pics. I've already got their contact details and know what they look like so why the courting period online?
My plan is to meet at a convenient coffee shop or similar for final interviews. If the profile photos are 5 years or 50 lbs ago we can just shake hands and walk away. I've only lost the cost of a coffee. That's a small price to pay for the opportunity to judge the viability. Is this a good plan or have I missed something?[/QUOTE]There are people who argue that getting on a video chat is important for a couple of reasons. One: To ensure that the pics really do represent the person you are connecting with. Two: The argument is that if you can convince them to send naked pics and / or strip down to any extent on video, you both guarantee that they are DTF, pretty much end any LMR, and also hugely increase the likelihood that they will show rather than flake (they have now 'invested' in seeing you.). As to long conversations, that doesn't seem necessary!
Cheers,
BH.
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[QUOTE=Goferring;2113045]Typically I rely on face to face options (bars, shopping malls, freelancers etc) for hook ups. However, I'm in Dumaguete heading to Cebu tomorrow so I thought I would try my luck at using PinaLove to prearrange some options.
Let me say upfront that I have zero experience with the Chat sites and zero Game when it comes to on line hook ups. Despite that I've been flooded with options for meetings and within one or two messages, I've got their number and an ok to meet up when I arrive. Only one girl told me outright that she will not meet at the hotel (perhaps she will be ok with returning after an introductory coffe, who knows? All the other seem keen as mustard. I realise that some / a lot will just be promises and will fall by the way side but the odds are still looking good for a busy time in Cebu.
My question is what value do others see in extended online correspondence with the girls? I read of guys having long conversations with them, video chats etc. Is there value in this? I've got no interest in dirty talk nor swapping naked pics. I've already got their contact details and know what they look like so why the courting period online?
My plan is to meet at a convenient coffee shop or similar for final interviews. If the profile photos are 5 years or 50 lbs ago we can just shake hands and walk away. I've only lost the cost of a coffee. That's a small price to pay for the opportunity to judge the viability. Is this a good plan or have I missed something?[/QUOTE]I have done both. Have the girls come to the room and met them outside. Video chat is good in the sense you get to see each other and also discuss intimate details which cannot be done in chat sites. Can plan plan how many days and find out what benefits she is expecting. Sometimes it is better to interact so that Ice is broken. Many of the girls are scared to be with a stranger. Once they feel you can be trusted rest is easy. Sex is better. It is also easy to convince girls to take a trip to be with you, go on vacations. I have gotten girls to come from the provinces and stay with me many times.
Meeting outside gives you and the girl to easily escape if you do not like each other. Problem is sometimes they do not come alone. Sometimes with family and sometimes with a friend. It is impossible to talk when families are present and delicate when friend is present. If the girl likes you she will come with you.
Generally coming to the hotel is good although you have not seen the girl in person. I insist on coming alone which they do. I also have had ladyboys pretending to be a girl come to the hotel. Security usually warns you and I tell them to not to let the person to my room. Sometimes I met downstairs in the lobby. If I do not like the girl I give some money for the taxi and tell them I am not interested.
Overall I have had good experiences getting girls from dating sites. Need to be patient and treat them like a GF rather than a prostitute although money definitely changes hands. I have taken girls on vacation and had great sex with them.
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[QUOTE=RengadeMaster;2112781]I have location settings on for we chat but its throwing up people from Cebu saying they are 100 mtrs from me and I'm in Dumagete, now I'm no geography expert but Cebu is deffo more than a few hundred mtrs from Duma, something ain't right.[/QUOTE]I think Cebu is more like a few thousand meters from Dumaguete. I forgot which part of Cebu me and my ex went to that resort in, but when I was scuba diving one American guy on the boat said his son was working with the Peace Corps in Dumaguete while pointing to the land across the water. We were only maybe 2 minutes from the Cebu shoreline at the time. On the map, that corner piece of land on the right side of the water is where we were diving from in Cebu, while on the left is Dumaguete. Appears to be no more than 4km of water between the two.
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[QUOTE=BaddHabbit;2113059]There are people who argue that getting on a video chat is important for a couple of reasons. One: To ensure that the pics really do represent the person you are connecting with. Two: The argument is that if you can convince them to send naked pics and / or strip down to any extent on video, you both guarantee that they are DTF, pretty much end any LMR, and also hugely increase the likelihood that they will show rather than flake (they have now 'invested' in seeing you.). As to long conversations, that doesn't seem necessary!
Cheers,
BH.[/QUOTE]Both great points BD and if unsure if a LB (as a main reason for me to cam with them) and can't be sure then a strip will / may help your knowledge LOL (and surprise you also maybe LOL).
But if a stunner in your eyes I would strongly suggest a cam chat and have a see (not a quick 10 seconds but a long chat).
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Fair prices for 'dates'?
What's a fair price to offer casual "dates" from Date in Asia, Blendr etc? Realise there might be a gulf between very active freelancers who are almost part-time WLs, and those who are more casual and maybe do one or two hook-ups a week, but what's a fair price to offer for a short-time visit and an overnight? Would not want to offend or disappoint a nice lady by handing her an envelope with too little shopping money, eg P2000? But nor do I want to spoil things by paying well above the mark and raising expectations, eg P5000?
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[QUOTE=Flyboy2000;2113485]What's a fair price to offer casual "dates" from Date in Asia, Blendr etc? Realise there might be a gulf between very active freelancers who are almost part-time WLs, and those who are more casual and maybe do one or two hook-ups a week, but what's a fair price to offer for a short-time visit and an overnight? Would not want to offend or disappoint a nice lady by handing her an envelope with too little shopping money, eg P2000? But nor do I want to spoil things by paying well above the mark and raising expectations, eg P5000?[/QUOTE]FB: Manila? Cebu? Province? The amount changes.
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Manila 2000-5000; cebu 1500 - 3000; Angeles 2500 - 4000;province 1000 - 2000
[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2113738]FB: Manila? Cebu? Province? The amount changes.[/QUOTE].
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[QUOTE=DCups;2113769]Manila 2000-5000; cebu 1500 - 3000; Angeles 2500 - 4000;province 1000 - 2000.[/QUOTE]Why such high prices for Angeles? I usually give 1000 for ST and 1500 for LT for freelancers that I find in WeChat or Badoo.
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Ya I was doing some "finer" bargirls but you're right; average streetwslker is way cheaper.
[QUOTE=Mogwai;2113991]Why such high prices for Angeles? I usually give 1000 for ST and 1500 for LT for freelancers that I find in WeChat or Badoo.[/QUOTE]
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Should have been more specific, my request was with regards to Manila, but am sure others here will appreciate the pricing for different regions.
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So I'm doing a bit of mix-and-match on this first trip to Manila, seeing some freelancers from Date in Asia and Blendr as well as the bar scene. Will post more after the trip's done but for now, have to share this at least to 'vent'.
WTF is it with some Pinays who seem just so frigging dumb? Yes, working off a small sample but seems that others here have noted similar. A few of them during online chats seeming dense, well, I can accept differences in language although sometimes they just don't 'get' stuff.
Anyway, I have a shortlist of several I met online who've been duty rated, and I decided to give my afternoon to one who is early 20's and has a child and is out of work. Was a toss-up between her and a 19 yo student, my body said "Student, hot!" but my heart said "MILF, after all she's got a baby to look after". Should have ignored the heart!
The MILF was very appreciative of my offer to "help her out", ken to meet up, and so it was that we met for lunch and then headed back to my hotel.
Now alarm bells were buzzing away when she seemed a little 'distant' rather than 'enthusiastic' but I put that down to her perhaps just not being 100% comfortable for some reason, although I did consider after lunch sending her on her way with a little spending money for her time, but no, I decided to give her benefit of the doubt and so we headed back to my hotel. She did hold my arm in a nice gentle way which made me think she was perhaps just a bit shy at first.
Anyway: we get into the room, and at the appropriate point I go to kiss her and it's barely a peck from her, I pull back and ask point blank what's wrong. She says she has her period! WTF?
I just look at her, count to five, and then ask in a firm but not angry way why she agreed to meet me and come back to the hotel if she had per period? Did she ever have sex during her period? No, she replies, at which point I say "Well why did you come here? I think it's very selfish of you to do this to me" and March her back out the door, down to the lobby, she's totally clammed up like a frigging 8 year old caught doing something wrong by a parent and given a good speaking to, yet which point she has the asks for some money for her son. "Sorry but I bought you lunch and in return you wasted my time, so lunch is all you get today. ".
I just can't fathom how anybody could have their brain in neutral to such an extent!
Okay, off to get some proper fun for the evening!
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[QUOTE=DCups;2113769]Manila 2000-5000; cebu 1500 - 3000; Angeles 2500 - 4000;province 1000 - 2000.[/QUOTE]He he, you missed one more things. What about the ages!
The more ages the less money or none. Even a land lord girl of 40+ from Negros Occi, offered me she would pay my travel cost, if I extend my tour from Cebu to her city (slipped out the city name). Amazing.
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[QUOTE=Sammon;2113098]I have done both. Have the girls come to the room and met them outside. Video chat is good in the sense you get to see each other and also discuss intimate details which cannot be done in chat sites. Can plan plan how many days and find out what benefits she is expecting. Sometimes it is better to interact so that Ice is broken. Many of the girls are scared to be with a stranger. Once they feel you can be trusted rest is easy. Sex is better. It is also easy to convince girls to take a trip to be with you, go on vacations. I have gotten girls to come from the provinces and stay with me many times.
Overall I have had good experiences getting girls from dating sites. Need to be patient and treat them like a GF rather than a prostitute although money definitely changes hands. I have taken girls on vacation and had great sex with them.[/QUOTE]Agree that when it works out, it works out really well. This is where a nice bit of upfront chat helps, it develops a rapport and some common ground, and also. This is important to me. Demonstrates to me the ability to have a conversation. As a rule, the better we get on online, the better we'll get on not only in person but in the sack.
[QUOTE=Sammon;2113098]Meeting outside gives you and the girl to easily escape if you do not like each other.[/QUOTE]Yes, did this in HK recently, met one at the cafe and quickly realised she'd used a very old photo and had put on a lot of weight since then, which just strikes me as dishonest and a poor reflection on character overall, and to be honest I just could not be bothered taking it any further so just had my coffee over polite small talk and left it at that "Well, thanks for coming to meet me, was nice to chat, see you later" etc. She was rather astonished, I think she felt she was going to get laid!
[QUOTE=Sammon;2113098]Problem is sometimes they do not come alone. Sometimes with family and sometimes with a friend. It is impossible to talk when families are present and delicate when friend is present. If the girl likes you she will come with you.[/QUOTE]That would be an instant turn-off for me. One I was getting to know online ahead of my Manila trip, when I arrived I suggested we meet up and she wanted to bring her mother and sister, and this woman was mid-20's, no late teen, so I just said "Sorry, I'm only interested in meeting you, they're not invited" and dropped it. I think as you spend a bit of time on these sites and gain some experience you do become a bit cold-blooded, a bit mercenary.
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[QUOTE=BaddHabbit;2113059]There are people who argue that getting on a video chat is important for a couple of reasons. One: To ensure that the pics really do represent the person you are connecting with. Two: The argument is that if you can convince them to send naked pics and / or strip down to any extent on video, you both guarantee that they are DTF, pretty much end any LMR, and also hugely increase the likelihood that they will show rather than flake (they have now 'invested' in seeing you.). As to long conversations, that doesn't seem necessary![/QUOTE]I'm not a huge fan of videochat but definitely it can relax the girl to see your face and 'get' that you're an okay guy, even that alone paved the way for a fun evening in HK recently. As to getting her to send 'naughty' pics, I'm going to say this is a brilliant tip and strategy. Just on this visit to Manila, there was one girl on Blendr who I got along well with, we moved it to WeChat and it seemed from my end that we were up for a fun evening of dinner + bedroom (the tone of the chats, teasing comments, her having already mentioned crap job with little money and my mentioning I'd be good to her if she was good to me, etc) so I tried this idea during one chat on the afternoon we were to meet that evening. Asked her to send me a photo of what I'd see that night. She sent a selfie. I replied that I was hoping to see a sneak preview of what I'd see 'under the covers', in bed, and it quickly became evident she somehow thought we were just 'meeting up' for dinner. Didn't read this as her being coy or shy like many Asian women can be, even when they first get to the room. Nope. So, that tip of yours saved me quite some wasted time and money!
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[QUOTE=Flyboy2000;2114437].......
That would be an instant turn-off for me. One I was getting to know online ahead of my Manila trip, when I arrived I suggested we meet up and she wanted to bring her mother and sister, and this woman was mid-20's, no late teen, so I just said "Sorry, I'm only interested in meeting you, they're not invited" and dropped it. I think as you spend a bit of time on these sites and gain some experience you do become a bit cold-blooded, a bit mercenary.[/QUOTE]I agree with the comment about being cold-blooded and a bit mercenary but I usually agree with them having a second along on first meeting.
My strategy is a little more long-term. I am resident here and can invest the time. This will not work for someone here on a short visit.
I have found that the ones that want a second initially are usually more to the "good girl" end of the spectrum than the "bar girl" end. The "good girl" is my target hunting pool. What it means is that I make an investment of a couple of hours and a meal or a coffee for the second to make the target comfortable.
Once you make these girls comfortable in your presence the sex is almost automatic. This makes the initial investment usually pay off quite well as you get a "good girl" which is usually less costly financially than a "bar girl" but you may pay other ways. That is where being cold-blooded comes in handy, you can resist the 100's of texts saying "I love you, I miss you, Please see me again. ".
No absolute rights or wrongs, just different tastes and hunting strategies.
Happy humping.
KG.
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[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2114614]My strategy is a little more long-term. I am resident here and can invest the time. This will not work for someone here on a short visit.
I have found that the ones that want a second initially are usually more to the "good girl" end of the spectrum than the "bar girl" end. The "good girl" is my target hunting pool. What it means is that I make an investment of a couple of hours and a meal or a coffee for the second to make the target comfortable.
KG.[/QUOTE]I'the suggest that the concept of good girl vs bad girl can also be very fluid and subject to circumstances.
You will always have the extremes of the beautiful Hi-so girls who are not going to sleep with anyone unless there is a long term commitment and the guy is socially acceptable vs the freelancers who will sleep with anyone who calls and has the cost of admission.
In between there are many girls who will be "good" to guys that will perhaps see them over a longer period of time, be in contact with their work mates, friends or family or have the ability to affect their status or replutation. These same girls may also be "bad" when the suitor does not impact these and simply offers a short term night of fun and / or temporary source of funding and then will be gone.
The same can be said when it is the girls who are on tour. A pack of two or three girls on holiday, who were mild mannered account clerks at home can be absolutely ravenous when away from prying eyes and sharp tongues.
Being a resident can open up access to the "better"girls where as being a short term tourist or business visitor can lead to good girls dropping their guard quicker.
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[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2114614]My strategy is a little more long-term. I am resident here and can invest the time. This will not work for someone here on a short visit.
KG.[/QUOTE]Kabul,
Is it common in Manila to also keep a small stable of "very good" girls simply for their conversation and companionship skills?
When I lived elsewhere in Asia, copious great sex was so redily available that getting laid was sometimes not the primary aim of a date. We foreign residents would have a couple of contacts that we would date just for their companionship. These girls were generally stunningly beautiful, very well educated, had good jobs and their own money. They could hold conversation with anyone who entered the room on pretty much any topic. No money ever changed hands and it was always clear that the night was not going to end with a quicky back at the hotel.
Put simply they were fabulous company and that was why went out with them.
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Moving in to Borracay
Hey there gents.
I will be moving into Borracay within two months and am reaching out to get some wisdom on how the playing field is there if anyone has anything to share. Info on how / where to search for an accomodation (apartment / studio would be nice), and of course, how the mongering scene is and pull girls. You can refer to my past posts and will note I tend to RTF and input what I can.
Looking forward to hearing from all.
Regards,
GenX.
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[QUOTE=GenXBaer;2114690]I will be moving into Borracay within two months and am reaching out to get some wisdom on how the playing field is there if anyone has anything to share. Info on how / where to search for an accomodation (apartment / studio would be nice), and of course, how the mongering scene is and pull girls. You can refer to my past posts and will note I tend to RTF and input what I can.[/QUOTE]This past February I was in Boracay on vacation with my girl. From what I picked up, Boracay is a couples / family beach vacation destination and not a monger destination. It is very rare to have a mainstream vacation place double as a monger place. That is somewhere that you want to bring your own girl, not be forced to search for one. There are many normal jobs available there due to the high tourism numbers, so I don't really think they need to use prostitution as an option.
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[QUOTE=Goferring;2114621]I'the suggest that the concept of good girl vs bad girl can also be very fluid and subject to circumstances.
......[/QUOTE]My categories are simply arbitrary cutoff's on a continuous scale. An individual girl's placement along this scale and her behaviors can also change, sometimes quickly, depending on circumstances. For example; a regular girl may demonstrate semi-pro behaviors when bills are due.
Good girls.
Hard to find because they will not usually date foreigners because of the stigma associated with that in Phil society. They are typically religious, social conservative types. Most likely sexually inexperienced. To get anywhere you will need to meet the family and pass their approval as well. Looking for a commitment before sex. They would be very insulted of the offer of money for sex, that is most likely the best way to not get laid is to offer money for sex.
I think that the best long-term relationship comes out of this pool but the odds of actually meeting one and getting to a long-term status is slight. Especially since my target age range is 25 to 35 and I am in my 60's). You might have more luck with provincial good girls than big city good girls.
Regular Girls.
They will date, you really need to get them comfortable with you before sex. It often takes the second date at least, sometimes longer. I will go 3 dates before sex only unless she has something special going for her. (Hot, educated, good company etc.).
You may or may not need to meet family; they often ask to bring a friend, sister, cousin etc. along on the first date. They will also be insulted by an offer of money for sex but may accept some 'help with expenses'.
Some good times had in this group. The best possibility for a long-term relationship IMHO. They are willing to meet and not as likely to cheat on you the second your back is turned.
Semi pro's.
They are sex workers but usually only to supplement their salaries or for special needs. They don't like being offered money for sex but will accept a gift. They may not even ask for money leading people who don't understand the scene to think that they got free sex. That is akin to "sexual shoplifting".
They need to get comfortable with you but will have sex first date.
Pro's.
Only interested in the cash, as much as possible for as little work as possible. Will fuck anything anytime anywhere for money and do so just about every night.
Happy Humping
KG
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[QUOTE=Flyboy2000;2114365]
Anyway: we get into the room, and at the appropriate point I go to kiss her and it's barely a peck from her, I pull back and ask point blank what's wrong. She says she has her period! WTF?
I just look at her, count to five, and then ask in a firm but not angry way why she agreed to meet me and come back to the hotel if she had per period? Did she ever have sex during her period? No, she replies, at which point I say "Well why did you come here? I think it's very selfish of you to do this to me" and March her back out the door, down to the lobby, she's totally clammed up like a frigging 8 year old caught doing something wrong by a parent and given a good speaking to, yet which point she has the asks for some money for her son. "Sorry but I bought you lunch and in return you wasted my time, so lunch is all you get today. ".
I just can't fathom how anybody could have their brain in neutral to such an extent![/QUOTE]Although understandable I think you have been a bit too harsh on her. It's very likely that she, being a single mother, desperately needed money and therefore didn't tell you right away she was having her period. For many people in the Phils money doesn't talk, it screams.
You could have asked her to just give you a blowjob this time, and give her 500-1000 Peso, and then return after a couple of days when her period was over to give FS.
Or you could have given her some money for transportation and ask to return when her period was over. Now she probably lost money, even despite the free lunch.
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[QUOTE=Mogwai;2114736]Although understandable I think you have been a bit too harsh on her. It's very likely that she, being a single mother, desperately needed money and therefore didn't tell you right away she was having her period. For many people in the Phils money doesn't talk, it screams.
You could have asked her to just give you a blowjob this time, and give her 500-1000 Peso, and then return after a couple of days when her period was over to give FS.
Or you could have given her some money for transportation and ask to return when her period was over. Now she probably lost money, even despite the free lunch.[/QUOTE]That is another big disadvantage of trying to meet chicks online before you go. You get your dick all hard just knowing you are about to be fucking this chick. But you do not know what the situation will be when you have boots on the ground. Maybe she will be super late or not able to make it that day. She might try to bring family along, might be on her period, some higher priority guy may be in town. Now all that time you spent talking up on some pussy (that you are probably paying for anyway) has been wasted. To avoid the frustration, it is much easier to go to a spot like Manila Bay Cafe and make a live choice.
Guys like KG can afford to throw their line in the water and just wait for the proper bite. For guys that have limited time or that are not frequent visitors it leaves too much to chance. That is why whenever I go to a new place I check ISG to see what the pickup spots and cathouses are in case I need a backup for shit happening as it did with Flyboy.
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[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2114708]Semi pro's.
They are sex workers but usually only to supplement their salaries or for special needs. They don't like being offered money for sex but will accept a gift. They may not even ask for money leading people who don't understand the scene to think that they got free sex. That is akin to "sexual shoplifting".
They need to get comfortable with you but will have sex first date.[/QUOTE]Thanks for laying down the knowledge KG. I have never been able to get behind the semipro deal. To me, either she trades sex for money or she doesn't.
The sexual shoplifting comment got me to thinking about the reverse of that. The main chick that I deal with in Manila I met her probably 5 or so years ago on Date In Asia if I recall correctly. Probably the only reason that I still deal with her is because she has a huge ass that I love. When I first met her on there she told me up front that I would have to give her money to fuck. No problem. So the first time we met we actually took a trip to Coron because I was doing some scuba diving. When we got back I gave her 4000 pesos. We have also gone to Bohol together and it seems like somewhere else. Also give her 4000 then. When she comes to spend the night with me whenever I am in Manila I give her 2000. I will mention that she does have a regular call center job as well.
For me the money for the big ass and the convenience of having someone that I know is not going to flake out come on my scuba diving trips works great. The thing is that I get weirded out because she tries to "relationship shoplift" by always calling me babe and telling me how much she misses me and asking when she is going to see me again; sending me all kinds of naked pictures and wating me to bring her more sex toys. She likes to travel and always asks where we are going to next. She actually brought up the idea and honestly thought that I would take her to Maldives. Shit like that leads me to believe she wants to be in a real relationship, but she never says anything about it nor has ever mentioned anything about other girls. So I guess it could actually just be considered an ultimate GFE.
This is why I had to distance myself from her at the beginning of the year. It just felt awkward to me. So when she would send me messages I would not answer. So finally she met some guy (don't know if it is another foreigner from online or what) and gets pregnant from a one night stand. She does not even know anything about this guy. Saw him that one time and he is gone in the wind. And you know what she said? That she never got pregnant when I came inside of her. Nevermind she does not realize that I am not stupid enough to do that shit without a vasectomy. She attributed her meeting the guy to me ignoring her messages for a month or 2. Not that I would have given a fuck one way or the other, but that makes it seem like I was the only person she was dealing with. May be true, may not be true.
So I started back dealing with her because I love pregnant pussy and will enjoy the milky tits now that she had the baby this past week. I guess the long term GFE from a chick that I am trading money for sex with creeps me out. It is probably because I have not been known to do too many repeats with chicks that I pay.
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[QUOTE=Mogwai;2114736]Although understandable I think you have been a bit too harsh on her. It's very likely that she, being a single mother, desperately needed money and therefore didn't tell you right away she was having her period. For many people in the Phils money doesn't talk, it screams.[/QUOTE]Yep, I can see where you're coming from, but I just don't have time for stunts like that.
[QUOTE]You could have asked her to just give you a blowjob this time, and give her 500-1000 Peso, and then return after a couple of days when her period was over to give FS.[/QUOTE]I didn't think of the BJ approach, but you know, my mood just went. It'd been hovering on the horizon for a bit due to those aforementioned alarm bells, when she broke the news I was immediately 'over it' and lost all interest. Although to be fair, if she'd have offered I may well have taken her up on it.
[QUOTE]Or you could have given her some money for transportation and ask to return when her period was over. Now she probably lost money, even despite the free lunch.[/QUOTE]Again, true enough, but my aim here was to teach her a lesson - 500 P is really 'nothing' for us, we're talking US $10, but I truly wanted to make sure she 'got' the concept of not dicking around with guys so that she would't pull that time-wasting stunt again.
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[QUOTE=Flyboy2000;2114789]Yep, I can see where you're coming from, but I just don't have time for stunts like that.
I didn't think of the BJ approach, but you know, my mood just went. It'd been hovering on the horizon for a bit due to those aforementioned alarm bells, when she broke the news I was immediately 'over it' and lost all interest. Although to be fair, if she'd have offered I may well have taken her up on it.
Again, true enough, but my aim here was to teach her a lesson - 500 P is really 'nothing' for us, we're talking US $10, but I truly wanted to make sure she 'got' the concept of not dicking around with guys so that she would't pull that time-wasting stunt again.[/QUOTE]Flyboy you could have man up and earned some red wings.
I doubt if you taught her a lesson in your teachable learnable moment.
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A Virgin's introduction to PinaLove
[QUOTE=Goferring;2113045]Typically I rely on face to face options (bars, shopping malls, freelancers etc) for hook ups. However, I'm in Dumaguete heading to Cebu tomorrow so I thought I would try my luck at using PinaLove to prearrange some options.
Let me say upfront that I have zero experience with the Chat sites and zero Game when it comes to on line hook ups.[/QUOTE]This is intended as a review of a virgin's introduction to PinaLove rather than a review of possible activities in Cebu. For medical reasons, I found it difficult to walk long distances so did not visit any bars, discos etc in Cebu. Nor did I roam the streets and malls looking for freelancers. However, two days before I left Dumaguete for Cebu I did log onto PinaLove and created a profile.
For various reasons, I'm not prepared to have my true photo, name and personal details visible for all to see. Initially my profile, with no photo, received essentially no attention nor replies to my approaches. I then placed a disguised photo on my profile and emphasised in my description that I was in-country, nearby and arriving in Cebu in two days. My search criteria were 18 to 28 females from Cebu City and it was typically me that sent the opening message. The rate of responses to my messages increased substantially.
Early on chatting with the girls I confessed that I used a false profile ("because a friend had a girl black mail him and cause a lot of trouble so I'm don't want to have all my personal details visible to all to see. " my marital status and that I was not looking for a LTR nor a wife. One target replied that she "did not have time to waste" with me. The others that did reply didn't care.
While in Dumaguete, most responders gave me their text or Viber numbers within two or three messages and a confirmation that we could meet - "just text me when you get to Cebu". All were very forthcoming because they were reassured that I was a real possibility and not just wasting their time looking for Camsex or naked photos. I never asked for photos (naked or otherwise), video chatted or had deep and meaningful conversations with anyone. I left the responses after a couple of chats, usually immediately after getting numbers and confirming that they would be happy to meet.
When I arrived in Cebu the response rate to a text to come over was close to 100%. The first night was the only glitch. I arrived late and the intended target made endless promises so I just moved on to another who came over at short notice. Another threesome fell apart when one member literally fell asleep upon entering my room after a long day at work, apologised profusely and they both caught a taxi home. Again they were quickly replaced after one text.
Over the next week I would text and meet candidates at the 7/11 or JollieBee nearest to my hotel. When they arrived I would go down and if all was well, we would go straight up to the room. I never needed to send anyone back home due to misrepresentation. Profile pictures were certainly selected to flatter but none were photoshopped nor another person. On a typical day I would get three to five texts requesting to drop around. I typically rationed myself to two or three shots a day. However, many more could have easily been achieved. I did have one night off to recharge the batteries. Sessions were typically 1 on 1 with a selection of threesomes. A+ was available but not widely promoted.
All up, I found the process very simple and effective. I was looking for, and found, purely commercial commitments. No one was under the impression that an ongoing relationship was forming and I don't expect any unwanted surprise emails or Facebook invites when I return home. The only negative was that the quality of the girls was probably not quite as high as a good bar. The truely attractive girls were certainly holding out for the right offer rather than a night's romp with someone on holiday. Any effort required was in sorting good from bad and tracking multiple text numbers, names, faces etc. Timeliness was a lot better than I thought it would be and I had no security concerns. Costs were standardised at 1500/3000 P ST / LT plus about 200 p taxi fare. I also bought a couple of JollieBees and lunches but those costs were trivial when compared to a night of LDs.
The numbers:
69 initial messages sent.
53 replies received.
35 text numbers and ok to meet received.
3 adhoc messages from "friends" or "cousins" received.
4 permanently outside Cebu.
2 returning in a couple of days.
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[QUOTE=Flyboy2000;2114789]
Again, true enough, but my aim here was to teach her a lesson - 500 P is really 'nothing' for us, we're talking US $10, but I truly wanted to make sure she 'got' the concept of not dicking around with guys so that she would't pull that time-wasting stunt again.[/QUOTE]Two days maid pay certainly made it worth her time.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2114781]Thanks for laying down the knowledge KG. I have never been able to get behind the semipro deal. To me, either she trades sex for money or she doesn't.
....[/QUOTE]For a pro, it is her full-time job. She makes no excuses and will fuck just about anyone anytime if the price is right. She will be a hardened expert at extracting the most money from you for the least effort on her part. She is FFF only.
A semi-pro is in it for the extra money that she gets that supplements her other income. She has to like you at least a little. She may only be active when bills are due so that she can make rent payments etc. She differs from a regular girl who will accept "gifts" in that she asks for the money directly and takes it without having to fake calling it a "gift". There is a chance of a relationship here, best to keep it P4 P but you might make a commitment for a weekly romp where she is exclusive to you and have at least a 50% chance she would not fuck someone else after she leaves your place.
They are both sex workers, the difference is in how often they work and how they view themselves in the job. Even a regular girl who accepts 'gifts' is a sex worker. The term is rather meaningless to me.
Remember these are merely my arbitrary divisions along a continuum. Any individual girl may be a mix of two adjacent types at any time and may cross over and back depending on circumstances. You may have a different method of dividing the girls but I find that this works well for me.
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[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2115010]
Remember these are merely my arbitrary divisions along a continuum. Any individual girl may be a mix of two adjacent types at any time and may cross over and back depending on circumstances. You may have a different method of dividing the girls but I find that this works well for me.[/QUOTE]I would add a level of advertising and sophistication to profiles and the connection pipeline. Both the pro & semi-pro will have dedicated profiles focused on attracting customers. The more casual girls will ot have a dedicated profile, perhaps just meeting friendly facebook contacts that cross their paths hen they are horny.
BD.
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[QUOTE=BrainDrain;2115094]I would add a level of advertising and sophistication to profiles and the connection pipeline. Both the pro & semi-pro will have dedicated profiles focused on attracting customers. The more casual girls will not have a dedicated profile, perhaps just meeting friendly facebook contacts that cross their paths when they are horny.[/QUOTE]The simplest way to pick the pros is to go back to a chat site after a few months away from it and see the same profiles there from month to month.
I was away from pinalove for 6 months.
When I opened up a new profile I saw many of the same posts from women who have been on the site for ages, using the same sexy pics and the same spiel that they have been using ever since they joined. Sometimes they update with a new sexy pic.
They are obviously targeting the newbies who don't realize these women have been trawling for years.
If they were seriously looking for a husband they would have found one by now, because their pics are often very sexy and provocative and would attract guys who didn't realize they have been there for ever..
There can only be one other explanation.
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[QUOTE=Flyboy2000;2114789]
Again, true enough, but my aim here was to teach her a lesson - 500 P is really 'nothing' for us, we're talking US $10, but I truly wanted to make sure she 'got' the concept of not dicking around with guys so that she would't pull that time-wasting stunt again.[/QUOTE]500 P is indeed 'nothing' for us but it means a hell of a lot to her. I tried to 'teach YOU a lesson' in a gentle way LOL.
I don't think she has learned anything from your lesson anyway. On the contrary, she probably had to pull that stunt again with another guy because you sent her away empty handed.
It's not such a big deal. I, and all of us I guess, have made similar mistakes the first times we came to the Phils. And I'm still making mistakes.
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[QUOTE=Mogwai;2115122]I don't think she has learned anything from your lesson anyway. On the contrary, she probably had to pull that stunt again with another guy because you sent her away empty handed.[/QUOTE]Well if that's the case I hope he also sends her away empty handed, sooner or later she'll get the message instead of paying her for doing zip.
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[QUOTE=Flyboy2000;2115182]Well if that's the case I hope he also sends her away empty handed, sooner or later she'll get the message instead of paying her for doing zip.[/QUOTE]I agree with you if a girl is obviously out there to con you and does not really want to give any service. But I think that was not the case here.
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[QUOTE=Goferring;2114979]This is intended as a review of a virgin's introduction to PinaLove rather than a review of possible activities in Cebu...[/QUOTE]A great breakdown of strategy and results, definite 'Hall of Fame' review!
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[QUOTE=BaddHabbit;2092182]I do have fun going backwards and reading various posts over time. This one was so funny thought people might like another read. Need a +1 button![/QUOTE]Hilarious!
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App questions
Hi Folks, I travel to China regularly and use Wechat. Sometimes when bored, I play with the shake feature. Today I met a Thai girl who suggested that I connect with her on Line.
I am concerned about Line, since I don't know if it will protect my identity. It asked for my phone number, but will my phone number be visible to the people I chat with? I want to remain anonymous. So I haven't signed up yet.
Also, can you use Line to actually meet people, like with Wechat Shake? Is there a better app that you might recommend?
Thanks!
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Retainer
I always thought it was a dumb idea to keep a chick on retainer, but that is because I assumed guys would be sending way too much. I have a buddy in Thailand that is 71 years old. He has had this chick in the province in PI for quite some time. I think he said she is 30 now. She looks damn good too. When he goes to Manila he rents a condo and she comes to stay with him. He started off sending her $11/month, graduated her to $18/month, and has now moved her up to $25/month. She saved her money and opened a clothing store back home. When he showed me the pictures it was bigger than I thought and had some pretty nice items in it. So I guess things can turn out for the best sometimes when doing a retainer deal.
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1 photos
[QUOTE=Marauder;2117248]Hi Folks, I travel to China regularly and use Wechat. Sometimes when bored, I play with the shake feature. Today I met a Thai girl who suggested that I connect with her on Line.
I am concerned about Line, since I don't know if it will protect my identity. It asked for my phone number, but will my phone number be visible to the people I chat with? I want to remain anonymous. So I haven't signed up yet.
Also, can you use Line to actually meet people, like with Wechat Shake? Is there a better app that you might recommend?
Thanks![/QUOTE]Your phone number will not be visible in Line. It only uses it to verify the device. There is not even a way to see someone's handle after you have added them. In Thailand you can use the people nearby function but I just did it in Angeles and it gave me 2 hits: a guy and a dog.
I met a Manila chick on Tinder today and she is telling me that she only has Kakaotalk. Where are they getting this bullshit from and why can't they stick to mainstream communication apps?
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2117254]
I met a Manila chick on Tinder today and she is telling me that she only has Kakaotalk. Where are they getting this bullshit from and why can't they stick to mainstream communication apps?[/QUOTE]I think most often they do it as they need an app apart from their regular apps. If they have Viber with their real name and real friends then they need to install an app just for their mongering services.
FB Messenger is way too intrusive and wlil retain the names of my other FB account.
Skype I use for Business and need to be logged in my main account.
WeChat I can have multiple accounts, and it hides the other names when not logged in. Easiest for me to have multiple logins with name / password.
Viber each new login needs to be phone verified.
IMessage is way to intrusive.
Maybe Kakaotalk is the new hot property.
BD.
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[QUOTE=BrainDrain;2117427]Maybe Kakaotalk is the new hot property.
BD.[/QUOTE]Kakao is established in 2016 in Korea. Here is there vision as they said.
[URL]https://www.kakaocorp.com/kakao/introduce/vision[/URL]
It's not the popular as the main stream apps are used all over the world. But to by pass the Security observation it could be used by the peoples who are not living in Korea. Mostly not in the list of the security concerns of the respective country. Just need this app in both side for inter-connectivity.
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Haha, sorry about the matches. Did you try talking to the dog for fun?
Thanks for the info, that is exactly what I needed to know.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2117254]Your phone number will not be visible in Line. It only uses it to verify the device. There is not even a way to see someone's handle after you have added them. In Thailand you can use the people nearby function but I just did it in Angeles and it gave me 2 hits: a guy and a dog.
I met a Manila chick on Tinder today and she is telling me that she only has Kakaotalk. Where are they getting this bullshit from and why can't they stick to mainstream communication apps?[/QUOTE]
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Mainstream Apps?
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2117254]here are they getting this bullshit from and why can't they stick to mainstream communication apps?[/QUOTE]Because your idea of mainstream might not jibe with their reality. Haven't you noticed that in Asia, the apps they use varies greatly from country to country? And with a cheap phone that they can afford, with its limited RAM they can only load so many apps now that phones come bloated with unwanted hardware, you barely have enough room to load all the apps you actually need unless you pony up for a serious phone.
Have you tried IMO yet? Its popular in the PI, its pretty light and can do video on a limited or weak Wifi, where Whatsapp will fail completely.
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Pinalove
I had some free time last week so I browsed through this site again (I have a monthly m / ship).
I have mentioned how the profiles and their personal statistics are frequently inaccurate and the following narrative confirms this.
For background, I have the search function set to Location: Manila within 30 kms, Age: 30 yo +, Height: 160 cm +, and I just said "any weight".
Found 3 attractive women; 2 were 5 ft 8 ins, one was 5 ft 7 ins. All were keen to chat and it seemed promising UNTIL I started interrogating them.
All 3 were not in Manila, despite their profile saying Manila. In fact, they were miles away. One was in Roxas City; one in Butuan, Mindanao and the 3rd was in Leyte.
None of them were tall. All 3 admitted to inflating their heights (2 were just 5 ft; one was 5 ft 2 ins). One admitted to "just guessing", but for the other 2 I suspect it was a deliberate ploy.
All said they were "So sorry" when I said they were lying in their profiles, but only one changed her profile to reflect where she actually lives and her correct height.
Just to repeat a warning I have given before about those who use chat sites (in this case, Pinalove). Ask them about their profiles early in your chat, especially "What is your actual location now?
Putting in information that will at least attract some contact (like residence in Manila and being taller than normal) seems to be a much more common mode of operation than it used to be. My m / ship expires on Dec 27 and I won't be renewing.
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Basic Stats on All Dating Apps are Useless
[QUOTE=RedKilt;2120474]I had some free time last week so I browsed through this site again (I have a monthly m / ship).
I have mentioned how the profiles and their personal statistics are frequently inaccurate and the following narrative confirms this.[/QUOTE]One of the more frustrating things about trying to use the potential power of online dating to narrow it down to what you want. Nothing entered by the lovely ladies in the height, weight or location fields has any meaning and should generally be regarded as pure fiction. Often this is not intentional; I have personally never encountered women deliberately lying about being tall, but I have no problem believing it is a thing. Vastly common though, is a total genuine ignorance of what their basic physical specifications are. In all but the most rare cases they are just guessing. Typical exceptions include professional models and highly educated (lol) women who can use a ruler and scale. I would argue that that is a better sort criteria for whether they are in Manila or not, than is their claim that they are in Manila.
The problem is not like in the western world where they are lying, the problem is that they don't know. Location is often misrepresented but is equally often misinterpreted "Province" = what province are you from? No it doesn't darling, where are you now? Sadly the half-ass way of answering any question with whatever bullshit comes to mind, renders a lot of the potential search functionality of dating apps useless. Hilariously, searching women who have tagged themselves "tall", is about as likely to render women who have entered in their profile for whatever reason "I am not tall", and then chosen "tall" as a suggested tag (thank you Filipino Cupid.).
Tldr: at least 95% of the population honestly doesn't know their height or weight, but will give a retarded non-answer anyway. Locations is a crap shoot.
P.S. I use FC as PL is crap in the provinces, maybe it's better in Manila.
Happy holidays all.
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Yesterday I was on DIA, and this 36 years old women sent me few messages. I politely said, I am not looking for someone this older (even though I am 58 years old).
So to my surprise she tried to introduce me her 18 years old daughter, me and her daughter Skyped for Good 1 hour, and I might have her come to Makati. Has anyone experienced this before?
[QUOTE=RollAides;2120723]One of the more frustrating things about trying to use the potential power of online dating to narrow it down to what you want. Nothing entered by the lovely ladies in the height, weight or location fields has any meaning and should generally be regarded as pure fiction. Often this is not intentional; I have personally never encountered women deliberately lying about being tall, but I have no problem believing it is a thing. Vastly common though, is a total genuine ignorance of what their basic physical specifications are. In all but the most rare cases they are just guessing. Typical exceptions include professional models and highly educated (lol) women who can use a ruler and scale. I would argue that that is a better sort criteria for whether they are in Manila or not, than is their claim that they are in Manila..[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=MohdirFan82;2120724]Yesterday I was on DIA, and this 36 years old women sent me few messages. I politely said, I am not looking for someone this older (even though I am 58 years old).
So to my surprise she tried to introduce me her 18 years old daughter, me and her daughter Skyped for Good 1 hour, and I might have her come to Makati. Has anyone experienced this before?[/QUOTE]Be careful with this. The girl may not be 18. If you like better to meet them outside and discuss everything.
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[QUOTE=Sammon;2121049]Be careful with this. The girl may not be 18. If you like better to meet them outside and discuss everything.[/QUOTE]Good advice. Insist the youngster bring a valid ID (Voter's ID, Social Security, Postal ID). Period. If she or the mother says she doesn't have one, tell them to get one before meeting, or fish elsewhere.
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Pimp Mama.
[QUOTE=MohdirFan82;2120724]Yesterday I was on DIA, and this 36 years old women sent me few messages. I politely said, I am not looking for someone this older (even though I am 58 years old).
So to my surprise she tried to introduce me her 18 years old daughter, me and her daughter Skyped for Good 1 hour, and I might have her come to Makati. Has anyone experienced this before?[/QUOTE]36-18=18. Very even that. So she pimps her own daughter at the drop of a hat,. In a country where women are a dime a dozen. In England, there is a big sport trapping chappies looking for [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord903][CodeWord903][/url] meat, posting catching them on FB and youtube and getting the cops to arrest them. There are hundreds of videos uploaded. One guy was caught by two different firms. It is quite incredible how people walk themselves into that or Nigerian scammers or whatever.
In your suggestion, I would make all sorts of lurid suggestions like 3 some and so on but I would have zero intention of meeting her of giving her or her mates a bead on me.
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[QUOTE=MohdirFan82;2120724]Yesterday I was on DIA, and this 36 years old women sent me few messages. I politely said, I am not looking for someone this older (even though I am 58 years old).
So to my surprise she tried to introduce me her 18 years old daughter, me and her daughter Skyped for Good 1 hour, and I might have her come to Makati. Has anyone experienced this before?[/QUOTE]As long as she is 18+ all is OK and that is not surprising to me. Has happened to me a few times and I have had some lovely mother daughter threesomes as a result. Well that is my kind of entertainment LOL and I am always a gentleman so I never refuse a mothers request (as long as the daughter is cute and the mother not a fugly).
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[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2121057]Good advice. Insist the youngster bring a valid ID (Voter's ID, Social Security, Postal ID). Period. If she or the mother says she doesn't have one, tell them to get one before meeting, or fish elsewhere.[/QUOTE]Elsewhere in the Cebu forum I took a girl from Alaya Mall and she did look young.
I decided to take her to a resto for a feed and an interview. In the end she had her 21 years of stories which was enough to convince me she was 21 not the 16 years she looked. Back at hotel I also checked her ID which matched her other stories.
In reflection I realised that that ID meant nothing. It could have been fake. Additionally I had no proof that I had actually seen her ID. If it had been a setup then the ID would never have been seen again. I would have needed to photograph the ID.
It really is more fun in the Philippines.
BD.
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PinaLove from the other side of the fence
I'm currently in Subic having a lot of good fortune with PinaLove and FilippinoCupid.
I questioned a PL girl about how she uses the dating software, her impressions of the guys she comes across and what she found as a turn off / attractive when replying to messages.
For reference, she is 23, never married, no kids, nice profile pics without being a stunner, not on any "most popular" lists.
Her comments:
Receives 20 to 30 messages from new guys per day.
Currently corresponding with about 100 guys on a daily to monthly frequency.
I was the second guy she actually met (and presumably slept with) from PL this month. A third made plans to meet her while he was in Subic but stood her up and was a no show. (Her words, not mine.).
She refuses to respond to Indians and Middle Easterners due to their reputation for misrepresentations and violence / disrespect respectively.
She drops guys that will only voice chat as these are typically one of the above pretending to be from Europe or USA. She has had several voice chats with supposedly Caucasian guys with strong accents or wierd background sounds. These were all dropped immediately.
She is a member of several WA / FB groups of girls who compare notes on guys in the Apps and idiots are regularly blackballed by these groups.
She rarely initiates contact but replies to guys messages.
She is likely to respond to smartly / professionally dressed profile pics.
Guys having multiple pics is a positive.
She is unlikely to respond to overtly crude introductory messages.
She has no age preference.
She is open to hookups, incountry BF or LTR / marriage. She instantly drops one pretending to be another.
Short introductory messages indicate someone just looking for fun. She is happy to reply as everyone is aware of intentions.
Long introductory messages can be either someone looking for a LTR but not coming to PI for a long time or someone pretending to be sincere but will quickly request camsex or nude pics.
Being in country or even better in town virtually guarantees a response and contact details.
Her ultimate aim is to marry a Caucasian and relocate overseas. She finds it impossible to keep a foreign BF honest in PI due to the ready availability of temptation.
Girls keep chats going for months / years as it has no cost but has a slim possibility that the guy may come and marry them.
Girls may request some funds from long distance relationships. This is seen as an indication that the guy is serious and not just stringing her along.
Girls may operate a cash for service based model, charging for camsex or nudes. This is seen as purely commercial rather than an extension of dating.
The lifecycle of a contact is very predictable. One of:
1/ meet, exchange contacts possibly including 3rd party WA / FB etc, "call me when you arrive next week" within a few messages and all the same day.
2/ meet, straight to Viber / FB etc, plesentries for a few days, meaningless promises to meet when the foreigner arrives in six months. Chat continues just in case money or visit may follow.
3/ meet, straight to Viber / FB etc, being nice for 2 days, "show me your pussy" on cam or nude photos.
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[QUOTE=Goferring;2121543]I'm currently in Subic having a lot of good fortune with PinaLove and FilippinoCupid.....
She is a member of several WA / FB groups of girls who compare notes on guys in the Apps and idiots are regularly blackballed by these groups.
.....[/QUOTE]I'd be very interested in getting access to those FB pages if possible. It would be interesting to see if I am mentioned there.
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[QUOTE=Goferring;2121543]I'm currently in Subic having a lot of good fortune with PinaLove and FilippinoCupid.
Her ultimate aim is to marry a Caucasian and relocate overseas. She finds it impossible to keep a foreign BF honest in PI due to the ready availability of temptation.
G.[/QUOTE]Interesting FR G. But the bit about being honest in PI is new to me LOL. We are not tempted they tempt us as we are old boring men with no clue what is being done to us LOL.
Is why many pinays want to be overseas so the hubby can't be tempted. I know a few living in the Visayas and are regularly tempted or distracted by cuties. But of course they never indulge as good married men LOL.
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[QUOTE=WickedRoger;2121578]Interesting FR G. But the bit about being honest in PI is new to me LOL. We are not tempted they tempt us as we are old boring men with no clue what is being done to us LOL.
Is why many pinays want to be overseas so the hubby can't be tempted. I know a few living in the Visayas and are regularly tempted or distracted by cuties. But of course they never indulge as good married men LOL.[/QUOTE]Roger,
All her words rather than mine. So take it all with some scepticism.
I'd expect the tables to turn 180 degrees once she got to suburbia and word got out what her particular skill set is. Hubby may be under control but there would be no way of keeping her honest. LOL.
Keep an eye out for my final FR once I finish in Subic. She features prominently and accepts training well. Let me know if you get to Subic and would like to continue her educational experience. LOL.
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Setting up group fun in Philippines.
I've had this desire for quite sometime. To setup a group fun - 4 guys and 4 girls. Find 4 cute girls that love and do about anything. Then have a week of fun, clubbing, beach, pool and of course a lot of sex.
Well I've got the girls lined up. And I know the location. The date is somewhat flexible. April or May.
Now I need a couple of guys that want to participate. I'm going to be very selective. Because I've set this up with the girls that we are all old friends. With an age range of 38-42 - just need to appear to be that old. I'm older than 42 but I look younger.
About the girls (they will all be on birth control. Still working on a way to confirm this! Hahaha).
1. 2 sisters from CDO - 4'8 that love to fuck, suck and swallow, 3 somes (ages 26 and 20 years old).
2. 4'11 girl from manila. Loves big dicks, swallows, likes 3 somes and toys (24 years old).
3. 5'3 girl from Makati loves sex. Has a fantasy for first 3 some (23 years old).
4. I have some backup girls in case some drop out. But I want at least 4 girls there.
Guys:
Any of the gents that get selected will have to help defray some of the costs. But I'm trying to keep the expenses manageable.
I'll go over the responsibilities for the guys individually with each guy that wants to participate.
I have already setup a skype site for the ladies and the men that get selected. And I will conduct on camera interviews.
If you respond. All my contacts with you will be private and confidential.
Ok let the fun begin!
There will be no drugs! No videos or pictures of others unless they consent. This is not a porn Movie!
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[QUOTE=WickedRoger;2121408]As long as she is 18+ all is OK and that is not surprising to me. Has happened to me a few times and I have had some lovely mother daughter threesomes as a result. Well that is my kind of entertainment LOL and I am always a gentleman so I never refuse a mothers request (as long as the daughter is cute and the mother not a fugly).[/QUOTE]Agreed, just be careful about the age. I never have 3 some mom / daughter, but I did have a niece being offered by her auntie when I told her I was looking for younger.
Very nice cam action, couldn't follow up in person due to schedule conflicts this year.
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[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2121549]I'd be very interested in getting access to those FB pages if possible. It would be interesting to see if I am mentioned there.[/QUOTE]Same here, can you publish those fb pages, one of the girls who broke with me, because I didn't send her enough told me she will make sure I don't have other pinay GF in the future.
I wonder who started the group?
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[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2121549]I'd be very interested in getting access to those FB pages if possible. It would be interesting to see if I am mentioned there.[/QUOTE]I am sure they are private/secret groups. No administrator is going let someone unknown into it. Or at least that is how the ones that I am a part of work.
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[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2121241]36-18=18. Very even that. So she pimps her own daughter at the drop of a hat,. [/QUOTE]Two generations giving birth 18 years apart are not at all uncommon in the Phils. When a woman gives birth at age 18, or younger, it sends a message to her daughters about what is acceptable. The children of poor families have a lot of spare time, parents often away from home trying to earn money, and no money to spend on entertainment that costs money. Sex, especially when no adults are around to supervise, is free entertainment (but only in the short term), feels good for a few seconds, and makes young women feel appreciated from the short-term attention they get from male partners. Teenage pregnancies in Philippine slums are very, very common.
But another likely scenario here is that the younger woman is not her daughter. A 36-year old woman who sells herself for sex would be at least equally as willing to get a commission for pimping another younger woman. If she says the "daughter" is 18, it is just as likely that the younger woman is more than 18, but that this woman knows that "18" is a very tempting prompt for us older lechers. Women in this mindset quickly pick up on signs that young women give off and rumors about which ones are sexually active, and they have time on their hands to recruit a stable of pimpable neighbors. Internet access and a cellphone are all the basic technology that is needed. Sometimes the cellphone is enough, as for example, in the case of mamasans who camped out in the past on the second floor of Harrison Plaza in Manila.
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[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2121802]But another likely scenario here is that the younger woman is not her daughter.[/QUOTE]Exactly. Let's not lose sight of how loosely these terms are used in SE Asia. In PI if you are relatively the same age then you are known as kuya (brother). The flower girls in AC are always running up calling guys brother when they are trying to sell to them. If you are an older gentleman then you are known as tatay (father). That is not to say you are the persons actual blood relative.
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[QUOTE=Member#1088;2121773]Same here, can you publish those fb pages, one of the girls who broke with me, because I didn't send her enough told me she will make sure I don't have other pinay GF in the future.
I wonder who started the group?[/QUOTE]Guys,
No go. She's not giving me names or access to the groups, only saying that there are multiple Groups across the various apps.
Sounds like access is fairly heavily restricted.
The best I can suggest to anyone with concerns that they may be blacklisted would be to befriend one of the PL, FC etc heavy users and ask her to find out.
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Puppy Love.
[QUOTE=Goferring;2121923]Guys,The best I can suggest to anyone with concerns that they may be blacklisted would be to befriend one of the PL, FC etc heavy users and ask her to find out.[/QUOTE]1. Any such groups would use a lot of tagalog and skank slang. I couldn't see them having a dedicated and active group like this. Word of mouth would be the way to go. Once, in an internet cafe in Pattaya (where I picked up one of the staff), I listened to two of them fill in their profiles. Say student as profession said one hooker to the other. In a casino of working girls,. There is no need to go further than that to get the appropriate advice. Many of them would be chatting away in cafes all day long and getting advice there. That said, the pointers were good as a general overview of hooker strategy.
2. I am chatting with a dominatrix or at least she dresses and acts as one. I figure she could be a mama san or some such but she gives very little away. I have arranged to meet her in an open venue but I am unsure about being chained down or whatever so her pals can rob / blackmail me. She is different from the others I chat with who pretend to be up for anything. This one dictates the pace and is hard to read.
Assuming she is a skank / mamasan, she could be playing the long game, aiming for quality over quantity. She is ever only online from about 2 am to 4.30 am Manila time.
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Guys, I have a 2 SIM phone containing my regular home SIM and the local Philippine one I have been using whilst travelling. Viber / WA contacts that I have been giving out and talking on are connected to the Philippine number.
I want to return home, keeping the best Viber numbers in my contacts but removing any chance of unscheduled incoming Viber calls while I am back home. I also want to be able to recontact my best numbers when I return to philippines in a few months.
If I discard the Philippine SIM, will I achieve my goals? How will I reactivate my account when I return and purchase a new SIM with a different number? My understanding is that prepaid SIMS expire after a coupe of months of inactivity.
Many thanks.
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[QUOTE=Goferring;2122235]Guys, I have a 2 SIM phone containing my regular home SIM and the local Philippine one I have been using whilst travelling. Viber / WA contacts that I have been giving out and talking on are connected to the Philippine number.
I want to return home, keeping the best Viber numbers in my contacts but removing any chance of unscheduled incoming Viber calls while I am back home. I also want to be able to recontact my best numbers when I return to philippines in a few months.
If I discard the Philippine SIM, will I achieve my goals? How will I reactivate my account when I return and purchase a new SIM with a different number? My understanding is that prepaid SIMS expire after a coupe of months of inactivity.
Many thanks.[/QUOTE]Discarding the Ph sim will not deactivate your Viber account. The account is already set up and is using WiFi or data. Even if you use a new SIM card the existing Viber account will be working and showing your old cell number. Your old cell number is your Viber account number even if you are not using the sim.
Depending on your cell phone you may be able to turn off your Viber. Viber is actually an app on most cp and may be turned off on most cp.
I am not sure how you can maintain your contacts if you insert a new sim especially if you allow Viber to connect to your contacts.
I personally have a separate cell phone that I use for Philippines. I have not seen any deactivation of my Phil sim number after 3 months. You might do an online load send to your number every few months to make sure it stays active. It costs me $1. 30 to send a minimum load of 50.
Btw, the only way to use a new sim number for Viber is to delete the Viber app and then download the app again, then let it access your contacts.
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[QUOTE=Goferring;2122235]
If I discard the Philippine SIM, will I achieve my goals? How will I reactivate my account when I return and purchase a new SIM with a different number? My understanding is that prepaid SIMS expire after a coupe of months of inactivity.[/QUOTE]No need to discard your SIM.
The Phils providers have now changed the SIM lifetime to 12 months so your SIM should still work if it's within a 12-month window. Viber is an app so it will not "expire". Just take out your Phils SIM so it will not ring unexpectedly, and then reactivate it when you return next trip.
This is in line with most other international providers. My Aussie Vodafone number stays live for 12 months so I just reload it every time I return to Australia for a holiday which is at least once each year.
The load expires but the SIM and number will not.
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[QUOTE=RedKilt;2122247]No need to discard your SIM.
The Phils providers have now changed the SIM lifetime to 12 months so your SIM should still work if it's within a 12-month window. Viber is an app so it will not "expire". Just take out your Phils SIM so it will not ring unexpectedly, and then reactivate it when you return next trip.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Dg8787;2122244]Discarding the Ph sim will not deactivate your Viber account. The account is already set up and is using WiFi or data. Even if you use a new SIM card the existing Viber account will be working and showing your old cell number. Your old cell number is your Viber account number even if you are not using the sim.[/QUOTE]Guys, thanks for the quick response.
However, I'm still a little confused. If I remove and store the Philippine SIM will a call still go through to the phone? I'm a little hazy on if my Viber account is linked to the app on the phone regardless of the installed SIM or if it needs the SIM to recognise which phone and account it is being called.
Yes, a second phone would have been a better option but once everything started working so well it was too late to turn back. Next time.
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[QUOTE=Goferring;2122255]Guys, thanks for the quick response.
However, I'm still a little confused. If I remove and store the Philippine SIM will a call still go through to the phone? I'm a little hazy on if my Viber account is linked to the app on the phone regardless of the installed SIM or if it needs the SIM to recognise which phone and account it is being called.
Yes, a second phone would have been a better option but once everything started working so well it was too late to turn back. Next time.[/QUOTE]I am saying with or without your linked SIM card Viber calls and texts will come thru on wifi. It does not need the linked SIM card to hook up. I don't know if it will come thru on your other sim card's data or not. Best if you can to turn off the Viber app.
When you first hooked up to Viber, Viber uses your cell number as the account name and then texts your cell number with a verification code to activate your account. Then it keeps the same number as the account name. Viber use WiFi or data for the texting or calls, not the cell service.
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[QUOTE=Dg8787;2122269]I am saying with or without your linked SIM card Viber calls and texts will come thru on wifi. It does not need the linked SIM card to hook up. I don't know if it will come thru on your other sim card's data or not. Best if you can to turn off the Viber app.
When you first hooked up to Viber, Viber uses your cell number as the account name and then texts your cell number with a verification code to activate your account. Then it keeps the same number as the account name. Viber use WiFi or data for the texting or calls, not the cell service.[/QUOTE]Thanks. Not good news but thanks none the less.
I'll store the numbers elsewhere and temporarily uninstall the app.
If the phone ever rang at the wrong time, some of the profile pics could not be explained as the "dive shop cashier".
Next time it will be a stand alone phone, sim and email address.
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The power of Facebook.
Another trick for beginners like myself making use of Dating Apps and an argument for a totally seperate cell phone for travel.
If you search PLove, Cupid etc for special friends in a iPad or phone with your main Facebook account installed, it will recognise these people and present them as Friend Recommendations. I'm not sure but I assume it also does this on the other side and presents you to the girls, giving them access to your details, family info etc.
Definitely not good.
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[QUOTE=Goferring;2122277]Thanks. Not good news but thanks none the less.
I'll store the numbers elsewhere and temporarily uninstall the app.
If the phone ever rang at the wrong time, some of the profile pics could not be explained as the "dive shop cashier".
Next time it will be a stand alone phone, sim and email address.[/QUOTE]I don't use my regular cell phone in PH because I don't want to risk losing it or getting it stolen. It has all my info and contacts that are irreplaceable. I use an older iphone for PH with normal and PH contacts in it. When I am getting too many texts from old flames then I will change my number with a new SIM card. At that time I will delete the Viber app and then download it again with the new number. For my PH Viber I will use a Nickname.
Once I am back home I will keep the cell phone turned off unless I need to contact someone. A few days prior to landing in PH I will load my cell from an online service and I will have cell service upon landing.
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I keep it so separate so I don't even use the same devices when I use my fake FBs. That being said you can through security settings hide friends list and info to not show at all, to only your friends can see it. If you let the public see it, well, then you could have a problem.
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Seeking Love in Manila. SeekingArrangement vs PinaLove
I've seen only sporadic mention of SeekingArrangement (SA) on these forums vs PL / DIA / FC so I thought I would do a community service and give SA a try. The biggest thing you notice is SA has a much bigger fee of $80/ mo vs $20-$30 for PL / DIA / FC. You need premium on SA if you want to send messages. You can register and see the catalog for free.
A few weeks before my arrival I got a free account on SA and looked to see if the catalog was to my liking and it most definitely was. A week prior to arrival I forked over my $80 and started messaging.
The girls on SA seemed to range from similar 4-8's you find on PL to some real quality 9-10's "model" types. I chatted with 4-5 model types and they wanted $200-$300 for a date with sex in addition to a nice dinner, drinks, etc. Some wanted $200 + shopping. About half the girls where looking for monthly allowance though I never negotiated any amounts as I'm not looking for that.
Surprisingly there were a few girls just looking for hookups and not gifts. There were a few smart and beautiful girls looking for serious LTR which definitely caught me off guard. They are using SA as a dating site. These are girls that I never see on FC or PL. I met one beautiful woman (30 yo) who was head of sales for a filipino company and a part time model. Never married, no kids. We just had coffee but will keep in touch for next time.
I focused mainly on "mid-market" girls. These are girls who typically asked directly or indirectly for 5000 for a date with sex. On PL I typically gift 3 k for LT so the SA girls are generally more. Many where similar quality to PL, but I found a few gems. My fav gem was age 24, very slim, firm boobs, long elegant neck, and very beautiful. A true 9. She told me up front she wanted "friends with benefits" and a good non-emotional connection. Would not name a price, but was happy with 5000 dropped descretely into your bag when she left. Repeated several times. Will see her next time!
Final night I had scheduled dinner with a beautiful 21 yo with a slightly curvy figure (I like slim and she was outside of this norm but her smile was killer). She wanted to meet first to see if we clicked before committing to an arrangement though asked for 5000 for the whole night but only if we clicked at dinner. We met at 7 pm for dinner and she quickly tells me she only wanted to meet me and nothing else tonight. I was surprised but just went with it. We clicked right away. She kept saying she wasn't going to sleep with me but just wanted to meet me. Moved to a bar for drinks nearby and finally back to my condo. Even in the condo she kept saying she didn't want to sleep with me, but it was obvious her body was saying YES. Spent most of the night having some of the best sex I've ever had. Morning time comes and I wasn't sure if she wanted / expected a gift. This is the ultimate test of whether the night was business or a transaction. Well, she refused to accept any gift though relented on chocolates of course.
I did like that the profiles and the girls are more clear on SA than PL / FC on what they want. Gifts or hookup. I also found lots of smart girls. Aka Girls with professional jobs. That's such a nice change from PL where they are very hard to find.
To summerize I found SA to have higher quality (looks and / or smarts) girls at higher prices vs PL. You get what you pay for usually and SA is the place to go (at least for me) to find the "more". I still plan to use PL, but SA makes for some very interesting new sources.
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Please do not pay more than 4000 for LT
Seeking Love in Manila. SeekingArrangement vs PinaLove.
Please do not pay more than 4000 for LT.
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I appreciate you "taking one for the team", Mango King, and will probably try SA later this year as I get closer to my next trip. Does SA list the girls' weight / measurements? Cheers.
[QUOTE=MangoKing;2124786]I've seen only sporadic mention of SeekingArrangement (SA) on these forums vs PL / DIA / FC so I thought I would do a community service and give SA a try. The biggest thing you notice is SA has a much bigger fee of $80/ mo vs $20-$30 for PL / DIA / FC. You need premium on SA if you want to send messages. You can register and see the catalog for free..[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=DCups;2124872]I appreciate you "taking one for the team", Mango King, and will probably try SA later this year as I get closer to my next trip. Does SA list the girls' weight / measurements? Cheers.[/QUOTE]There is a good thread on the UAE board about SA and the prices etc. For many the prices are too much or the girl's expectations are sky high but YMMV and as MK said some are better quality but may take more effort. Some have used SA and now don't as they have the contacts but each to his own. If you are a guy who likes his 1000 pesos lady or who like to boast about saving 50 pesos on a taxi / trike then SA is definitely not for you. Some guys in the UAE spend ridiculous amounts of cash (IMHO) on the girl.
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[QUOTE=DCups;2124872]I appreciate you "taking one for the team", Mango King, and will probably try SA later this year as I get closer to my next trip. Does SA list the girls' weight / measurements? Cheers.[/QUOTE]SA profiles include Height and Body Type where the later is Slim, Average, Curvy, etc. No weight. So far the Body Type generally is accurate though some girls list Curvy but really are slimmer than what I call that. Some say Curvy when they are definitely "of large size". YMMV.
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[QUOTE=WickedRoger;2125084]Some guys in the UAE spend ridiculous amounts of cash (IMHO) on the girl.[/QUOTE]It appears they are doing the same in PI. After reading MK's report yesterday, I decided to make a profile so I could browse the pictures. Definintely a cut above the other sites. And many girls have posted their pictures in fabulous hotel rooms and with their spoils from the shopping trips that I assume the guys have taken them on.
80 fucking dollars for 1 month? They need a New Years special or something.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2125159]It appears they are doing the same in PI. After reading MK's report yesterday, I decided to make a profile so I could browse the pictures. Definintely a cut above the other sites. And many girls have posted their pictures in fabulous hotel rooms and with their spoils from the shopping trips that I assume the guys have taken them on.
80 fucking dollars for 1 month? They need a New Years special or something.[/QUOTE]I think the sums spent are lower than the UAE but the general pricing in PI is lower so yes they are spending way more than many would and certainly the large number of cheap charlies could never / would never get a look in with SA girls. Some SA girls aka sugar babes have very high expectations. One of my friends was quoted around US $1500 a month for an allowance on top of which was shopping trips. Another with loads of cash did organise a boat and champagne dinner to impress the girl and thus get her panties off. It worked but we worked out he had spent well in excess of US $5000 ++ but YMMV as we say.
I know some FHM and PI Playboy cuties / model and they can ask for PHP 15000 a pop easily as can get from rich pinoys and politicians (RK made some reference to this in an earlier post). But am lucky as I knew them before they really got into FHM / Playboy so I can get 'mates rates' or just dinner and hear their stories LOL.
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Where is the value for the monger?
SA is definitely better for the hookers as they can charge 15,000 pesos, get dinner and drinks for another 5,000 pesos at TGIF or similar, and taxi money roundtrip. That is in addition to the 4,000 pesos monthly membership fee.
Hence, all in, the monger is looking at paying about 26,000 pesos for a fuck without being able to examine the girl for stretch marks and saggy tits as possible in a bikini bar for much cheaper. In the bikini bar, mongers get to poke and prod the meat, look in the mouth for missing teeth, sniff for dog breath, gauge willingness to fuck, ask direct questions about fuck like finger in her asshole during doggy-style, etc. The girl knows her job is to fuck and expectations are clear before leaving the bar. All this for much less than 26,000 pesos.
I just do not see value in SA for mongers flying in from Europe or North America to fuck in the Philippines for $520 USD per fuck. Especially taking into account the expense and aggravation of a long flight and the risk of the girl being a lame fuck or having a stretch-marked body, see-section scar, droopy tits, or dog breath.
A monger with $520 USD to pay for a fuck from SA would be better off using that money to fuck college girls in Europe or North America and forego the long flight. It appears that the Filipinas just looked at whatever the American girls were charging for a fuck and decided that would be the appropriate price to charge knuckleheads in the Philippines. LOL!
As for shopping, I can think of better things to do for 10,000 pesos than carrying around shopping bags for a paid tart, as she does her damn best to charge jewelry, luxury handbags and Jimmy Choo shoes on my credit card. There is no need to pay for that kind of annoyance. Just get a real girlfriend. At least you will get unlimited fucks without time limits that come from the SA hooker girlfriend who needs to get to her next trick on schedule.
SA just seems like an expensive way to share an overpriced Flip hooker with hundreds of other mongers, instead of going to AC and sharing her with a trike driver for 3,000 pesos.
In an interview on November 29th, Senator Grassley said:
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SA worked for me
I used SA a lot back home. I found out that the expectation asked for was usually open to discussion. Lots of girls there asked for the moon and the stars but accepted an offer of considerably less.
It was a good way for an old fart like me to get girls 30 to 40 years younger. And yes I had 18 year olds in Canada who actually wanted to be with an older guy. Found a lot of the same issues as any other site, some fakes and scammers everywhere so do your due diligence.
I reactivated my membership, updated my profile and yes the girls appear to be a lot higher quality than PL, Tinder et al, I found over a thousand girls who had been on line in the last 2 weeks meaning that there was lots to pick from. (non-smoking and within 400 kms of Manila).
While home, with a membership I did browse the Manila ladies and actually chatted with a couple from here. They had wanted substantial amounts, When asked they were asking in p not $ so they thought that 10,000 a month was 10 k p not $US10,000.
Ignore their stated expectations, offer what you want to provide and let them accept or reject. If they reject then say good bye and if they accept then the fun is on. (Good advice for any girl anywhere.) Better yet have them make their offer first, often they will ask less than you were prepared to provide.
As always ignore their stated body size and stats and look at the pictures. Average to them can mean average for a western woman, average for a pina or they have no idea what to put down so picked one at random. While looking at the pictures also look at the background, you can often learn a lot about her from where the picture was taken. Use tineye or other image search to get some assurance that the pictures are real.
Also you should be aware that when your membership expires you cannot read ANY past messages sent to you. If you want to keep any message history download or make a copy before your membership runs out.
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I am not a Scammer and I don't want your money.
I love that line the scammers put in. Reminds me of the kindly fox asking the chickens to invite him in. I am amazed at SA but I guess the main benefit of such sites is sociological study. I am chatting with a few obvious working girls on PL now and some of them work very hard.
I have jacked off into Live Jasmine performers previously and they tell me fascinating stories. Many of the WG no longer stomp the streets as they make more money on LJ, which is the best of those sites for them. The software tells them such things as your tipping history so they know if you are worth engaging with or not.
Those I fed with my leche tell me they have bought all kinds of goods, enhanced boobs included, form their work which can net them over $2000 US a month if they are any good. Two of those I fucked lived at home with their beloved families and contributes nothing, not even food money. For the curious, I met them on PL and similar sites and have never paid for Live Jasmine or similar. I don; t get why folk are into some tart performing online but other mileages obviously differ.
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FilCupid message expiry
I've got some messages on FilCu that I want to keep so that I don't get members mixed up next time I visit. However, the site shows that they delete messages after 2 months.
Does anyone know how to export messages out of FC or stop the deletion process? There has to be a better way than repeated copy / paste??
When FC do delete old messages do they delete the whole conversation or just the old chats?
Many thanks.
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[QUOTE=Goferring;2134215]I've got some messages on FilCu that I want to keep so that I don't get members mixed up next time I visit. However, the site shows that they delete messages after 2 months.
Does anyone know how to export messages out of FC or stop the deletion process? There has to be a better way than repeated copy / paste??
.[/QUOTE]Just cut / paste the key pieces of info, name, handle, cp#, viber etc Keep in yor own documents folder.
BD.
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Seeking Hotties in Cebu. SeekingArrangement Report
Early this month I reported on my experience using SeekingArrangement (SA) in Manila. After leaving Manila I spent 4 days in Bohol with one of my girls then Cebu for about 12 days. I used SA to fill my dance card in Cebu and the results where pretty damn good.
Meet a 28 yo slim and beautiful girl who is a professional chef. Beautiful face, slim + full figure. Solid 8 body and 8 face. Never married, no kids. Chatted online a bit and she tells me she has done arrangements 2-3 times. She didn't want to negotiate price, but left it up to me to figure out. We meet at Blue Elephant rooftop bar and really hit it off. Great chemistry. Back to my airbnb condo and we start making out. Move to bedroom and before I can get her on the bed she drops to her knees and gives me an amazing BJ. Hit the bed and we go at it for hours. She is super horny. Stays the night. Slip her some fancy choc and 3000. Repeated with her 3 other nights including a Sat-Sun overnight to Crimson resort. She never mentions the money and I just slip her 3000 each time when she lives. Also gave her a nice bottle of wine I brought from CA on the last day.
Meet a 22 yo super slim lingerie model. She sends me her selfie pics and also her lingerie pics. Wow! I'm normally skeptical about such great pics but I have a good vibe and decide to roll the dice with her. She turns out to be a super super hottie. Probably top 5 hottest girls I've had. A solid 9/9. Pre-negotiate 3000 over chat. She comes over direct to condo (doesn't want to meet for dinner). She is exactly like her pictures! Within 5 minutes we are pulling our clothes off. Super horny and incredible in bed. After we both cum and relax for 5 minutes she starts getting dressed and wants to leave. WTF? I try to talk her out of it as I could go a few more rounds with her hotness, but she calmly declines. I gave her the 3 k as agreed but no extra for taxi.
Also met 2 different call center girls from Tinder and those where not quite as pretty but super horny and were happy with dinner and taxi money.
Last night in Cebu spent with 2 girl threesome recommended by WR (thank you! Had a really great time with both girls. Great way to end a long trip!
All in all there was only 1 girl on SA who asked for more than 3000 in Cebu. In Manila all the super hotties where at 5 k - 20 k.
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Newbie PI questio
What is PL, DIA and other sites. I have used SA for Medellin and found one really good connection.
Looking at making the long haul to PI and want to do some more research.
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Newbie PI question
I found the post with the websites. I read the friendly forum RTFF.
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[QUOTE=MangoKing;2135251]Early this month I reported on my experience using SeekingArrangement (SA) in Manila. After leaving Manila I spent 4 days in Bohol with one of my girls then Cebu for about 12 days. I used SA to fill my dance card in Cebu and the results where pretty damn good.
Meet a 28 yo slim and beautiful girl who is a professional chef. Beautiful face, slim + full figure. Solid 8 body and 8 face. Never married, no kids. Chatted online a bit and she tells me she has done arrangements 2-3 times. She didn't want to negotiate price, but left it up to me to figure out. We meet at Blue Elephant rooftop bar and really hit it off. Great chemistry. Back to my airbnb condo and we start making out. Move to bedroom and before I can get her on the bed she drops to her knees and gives me an amazing BJ. Hit the bed and we go at it for hours. She is super horny. Stays the night. Slip her some fancy choc and 3000. Repeated with her 3 other nights including a Sat-Sun overnight to Crimson resort. She never mentions the money and I just slip her 3000 each time when she lives. Also gave her a nice bottle of wine I brought from CA on the last day..[/QUOTE]Good report! Good nice to hear some new ways to meet girls.
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Strike a light!
[QUOTE=MangoKing;2135251]Early this month I reported on my experience using SeekingArrangement (SA) in Manila. After leaving Manila I spent 4 days in Bohol with one of my girls then Cebu for about 12 days. I used SA to fill my dance card in Cebu and the results where pretty damn good.
Meet a 28 yo slim and beautiful girl who is a professional chef. Beautiful face, slim + full figure. Solid 8 body and 8 face. Never married, no kids. Chatted online a bit and she tells me she has done arrangements 2-3 times. She didn't want to negotiate price, but left it up to me to figure out. We meet at Blue Elephant rooftop bar and really hit it off. Great chemistry. Back to my airbnb condo and we start making out. Move to bedroom and before I can get her on the bed she drops to her knees and gives me an amazing BJ. Hit the bed and we go at it for hours. She is super horny. Stays the night. Slip her some fancy choc and 3000. Repeated with her 3 other nights including a Sat-Sun overnight to Crimson resort. She never mentions the money and I just slip her 3000 each time when she lives. Also gave her a nice bottle of wine I brought from CA on the last day..[/QUOTE]At 20,000 PHP or $400 USD for a fuck in Manila, the monger must be fucking well-known celebrity actresses from the popular telenovelas. Otherwise, he is the victim of an unbelievable fleecing! Even English landlords charging tenants for rent get a better deal.
[URL]http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/thousands-offered-sex-for-rent-in-uk-survey-finds/news-story/13dfb2fbfeb39bcf2d4a154ced306f5f[/URL]
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SA Jackpot
I hit the SA jackpot. She is 21, cute as a button with the tight spinner body I lust after. She loves to fuck and suck. Made a live in arrangement with her for 10 k a month, she was actually reluctant to take that but I'the rather she had her own pocket money and not be always hitting me up for load, and sundry items. She is educated and looking for work so not a gold digger or scammer. (Yes I have checked out her background as much as I can and believe what she has been telling me, it is fits together and she would have to be a world class actress to end up being a scammer after our time together so far.).
They are out there. Just have to keep hunting.
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[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2135688]I hit the SA jackpot. She is 21, cute as a button with the tight spinner body I lust after. She loves to fuck and suck. Made a live in arrangement with her for 10 k a month, she was actually reluctant to take that but I'the rather she had her own pocket money and not be always hitting me up for load, and sundry items. She is educated and looking for work so not a gold digger or scammer. (Yes I have checked out her background as much as I can and believe what she has been telling me, it is fits together and she would have to be a world class actress to end up being a scammer after our time together so far.).
They are out there. Just have to keep hunting.[/QUOTE]KG, congrats on your new arrangement. It is none of my business or anyone else's what you pay or provide for your arrangement. Of course I would want her to be treated decent.
Sounds like you checked her out but even if she doesn't work out you have your loss prevention well under control.
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[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2135688]I hit the SA jackpot. She is 21, cute as a button with the tight spinner body I lust after. She loves to fuck and suck. Made a live in arrangement with her for 10 k a month, [/QUOTE]Why not just get a normal girlfriend that you don't have to pay rather than paying some chick to live with you? Seems weird. Usually people pay for food and shelter, but in this case someone is getting paid to have a roof over their head and food to eat. What are the stipulations of this agreement? Does she have to clean the house, cook, and do your laundry?
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2135767]Why not just get a normal girlfriend that you don't have to pay rather than paying some chick to live with you? Seems weird. Usually people pay for food and shelter, but in this case someone is getting paid to have a roof over their head and food to eat. What are the stipulations of this agreement? Does she have to clean the house, cook, and do your laundry?[/QUOTE]It depends how often KG visits. KG is Canadian, but the equivalent of $200 US per month is not a lot of money, even in the Philippine economy. I guarantee nobody on this forum could live for that amount of money much of anywhere in the Philippines, absent a bamboo and nipa hut and a productive grove of fruit trees nearby.
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Live-in P4P risks
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2135767]Why not just get a normal girlfriend that you don't have to pay rather than paying some chick to live with you? Seems weird. Usually people pay for food and shelter, but in this case someone is getting paid to have a roof over their head and food to eat. What are the stipulations of this agreement? Does she have to clean the house, cook, and do your laundry?[/QUOTE]Great points. Things can get weird. After all, he is paying a sex worker to live with him as though she is his girlfriend. There is huge potential for blurred lines and lots of drama. She is living at work providing around the clock GFE as a live-in fuck doll for her john. At some point, she is going to want to go fuck and suck the real Flip boyfriend. The monger needs to realize that his live-in sex provider is going to have her own sex life outside of servicing him.
She may bring the Flip boyfriend over to fuck her and sleep in the monger's bed when he is away because many Filipinas are unaccustomed to sleeping alone in a bed, much less an entire condo or house. They quickly succumb to loneliness and horniness. Their preferred means of alleviating boredom is a hard fuck from the fit young trike driver boyfriend or some random dating-site monger with a largish cock and a blister pack of Kamagra Gold 100's.
Then there is the issue of "tampo" and jealousy. The monger will need to accept it as part of the live-in GFE package. Even if the agreement stipulates that the monger will fuck other girls, the live-in sex worker may chafe at not having a monopoly on his business. A disgruntled Pinay live-in slapper with full access to his residence can make life very exciting for a monger.
The girl will need more money as soon as her family and friends hear about her arrangement and experience misfortunes that require her financial assistance. Pinays are notoriously terrible at managing money and 10,000 pesos will evaporate within a week in Manila; they think in terms of their wants first and their needs last. The neighbors will question the girl during the monger's absence and tell her to demand more money from the rich foreigner as they will consider her his mistress. Unless the monger is always present to rebuff these wannabe handlers, they will quickly poison the arrangement by pressuring the girl to make unreasonable demands with claims that some other girl gets 100,000 pesos monthly or more from her foreigner.
What started out as a bargain deal for live-in P4P could quickly mushroom into an expensive arrangement where the girl's sole interest is money. This can easily end up costing much more than a real girlfriend who may keep growing greed and bad influences at bay due to genuine affection and concern for the monger. Live-in P4P is mixing business with pleasure, something that rarely ends well for mongers.
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Question for Pina Love users. Why is the lady being asked to subscribe?
A favourite of mine uses PL a lot and is quite popular. Recently she logged in and found herself being told as she is popular she should upgrade (IE pay cash) to use PL.
Not being a user of PL I cannot help her but can anyone here advise.
I thought PL was free to girls and the monger paid (don't we always?) but seem she is being asked to subscribe now as well and cannot as no credit card and cash. So if anyone here can tell why this is happening (apart from the message she got that's said 'you are very popular') she would be happy and grateful.
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Monetization.
[QUOTE=WickedRoger;2136928]A favourite of mine uses PL a lot and is quite popular. Recently she logged in and found herself being told as she is popular she should upgrade (IE pay cash) to use PL.
Not being a user of PL I cannot help her but can anyone here advise.
I thought PL was free to girls and the monger paid (don't we always?) but seem she is being asked to subscribe now as well and cannot as no credit card and cash. So if anyone here can tell why this is happening (apart from the message she got that's said 'you are very popular') she would be happy and grateful.[/QUOTE]WR, Pina Love is free to men, women and LBs. All free members get to send one message every 10 minutes regardless of gender. However, the number of members is relatively small compared to similar sites popular with mongers and Pinays hunting foreigners.
I doubt that the site is penalizing your favorite girl for her popularity. More likely, Pina Love is prompting the popular girls to upgrade to paid memberships that do not have the 10-minute rule because the girls can then message several mongers within a 10-minute period instead of only one monger within the same time. Theoretically, if the popular girls message more mongers, more of these fellas may decide to upgrade to unrestricted paid memberships to keep the conversation going, and in so doing, increase the revenue for the site. Why target the popular girls? Well, popular girls are more likely to have well-heeled sponsors and lovers who can provide the means to secure a paid membership.
We have no way of knowing what the site's operators glean from the data they harvest and analyze. However, it is possible that they discovered that some popular girls are earning a living from patrons of the site and are betting on their willingness to pay to maintain their cash flow.
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[QUOTE=WickedRoger;2136928]A favourite of mine uses PL a lot and is quite popular. Recently she logged in and found herself being told as she is popular she should upgrade (IE pay cash) to use PL.
Not being a user of PL I cannot help her but can anyone here advise.
I thought PL was free to girls and the monger paid (don't we always?) but seem she is being asked to subscribe now as well and cannot as no credit card and cash. So if anyone here can tell why this is happening (apart from the message she got that's said 'you are very popular') she would be happy and grateful.[/QUOTE]It's standard procedure for PL. When a girl gets popular enough ("lots" of messages) then they hit her with this. No way around it for the girl really.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2135767]Why not just get a normal girlfriend that you don't have to pay rather than paying some chick to live with you? Seems weird. Usually people pay for food and shelter, but in this case someone is getting paid to have a roof over their head and food to eat. What are the stipulations of this agreement? Does she have to clean the house, cook, and do your laundry?[/QUOTE]Everyone finds a suitable arrangement. I know that as a 50 yo I am going to have to pay to have a 20 yo staying in the house. The benefit of paying is that she will leave when the money stops. I pay for cleaner, cook & laundry. GF is for conversation, looking good at parties, running errands, doing her study and safe reliable high-performance bedroom performances.
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[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2135960]It depends how often KG visits. KG is Canadian, but the equivalent of $200 US per month is not a lot of money, even in the Philippine economy. I guarantee nobody on this forum could live for that amount of money much of anywhere in the Philippines, absent a bamboo and nipa hut and a productive grove of fruit trees nearby.[/QUOTE]I live here. I have as SRRV.
The 10 k per month is her pocket money. If I don't give her that she would need to ask for load, for money for personal items, for all and sundry items. The allowance is simply to make it easier for day to day living and pocket money for her. Like I said she did not want it in the first pace. Even with that indications are that I will save a lot of money. She has been a great help in some local shopping that I could not do and I have not had any additional sexual related expenses. My grocery expenses are less than when I was eating alone most of the time, now I am feeding two. In the last my mongering budget was 40 k so there is 30 k in that alone plus the living savings she has helped me to realize.
I do not believe that she is a sex worker. She is an educated girl and is looking for full time work in her area of expertise. I have seen her document package with CV, transcripts, etc and I do know something about her area and have asked some probing questions, along the line of I have always wondered about this. And gotten the correct response.
She is a regular girl who is tired of having a pino BF who treated her like shit, hit her, was drunk all the time and cheated on her and tried to sabotage her career.
I am not some FNG who is shacking up with the first bar girl who agrees to stay overnight. I have been here looking on the dating sites chatted with a few hundred, met and bedded over 50 others before her. I am tired of the game, getting lousy fucks who ask for more money, never show up on time, live with their nose in FaceBook, cannot hold an intelligent conservation etc. Perhaps in a few months I'll want to get back to it but not right now. I want a regular 3 times a day, lounging around the condo naked with her hot body and having someone to talk to and explore places with.
I realize that the possibility still exists that she is working a scam but the more time I spend with her the less likely it seams. I will however always be aware that it is a possibility that she is the consummate long scam artist and has been working me all along. I am also aware that there are some nice regular local girls that actually want an older foreign BF. While the material rewards are part of the decision I will point out that they are also part of the decision (and perhaps a bigger part pf the decision) for a western girl the same general age as the guy back home. Pick a random girl on any site and the odds are most likely 90/10 or more that she is a scammer sex worker. I think my odds are now about 80/20 or better that she is a regular girl.
If she ever does turn out to be a scammer then I am already far ahead in the game if I dump her and move on which I will at the first sign of any scam.
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[QUOTE=MangoKing;2137177]It's standard procedure for PL. When a girl gets popular enough ("lots" of messages) then they hit her with this. No way around it for the girl really.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the responses, seems a bugger for the girl (and she likes anal also LOL). She tried to open a new account but must of used the same email. She needs access to the messages etc so will advise her she is screwed. Thanks again.
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[QUOTE=WickedRoger;2137269]Thanks for the responses, seems a bugger for the girl (and she likes anal also LOL). She tried to open a new account but must of used the same email. She needs access to the messages etc so will advise her she is screwed. Thanks again.[/QUOTE]Roger,
Numerous girls have duplicate accounts so it can't be that hard to organise. Yes multiple email and verification accounts are required.
I remember reading in one of the Terms of Service that the limit is 1000 messages per day (don't quote me as I can't remember if it was PL or FC). If she is that busy, is $100 for an annual subscription to an unlimited account such a big ask? If it is, give me her number and I'll happily work out a repayment plan with her. LOL.
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[QUOTE=Goferring;2137649]
If she is that busy, is $100 for an annual subscription to an unlimited account such a big ask? If it is, give me her number and I'll happily work out a repayment plan with her. LOL.[/QUOTE]It's only $24.99 for a 1-month sub and that's long enough to get unlimited access to the site.
I find that 1 month is too long for me.
After 1 or 2 days I can see all the likely ones and the rest are names that have been there for years (literally). I have been a member for 3 x 1 month subscriptions over the past 3 years.
It must be worthwhile for the rent-seekers because they persist with their sexy-looking profiles month in month out, so they must succeed with the newbies who discover PL but don't realize they are getting professional WGs.
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[QUOTE=Goferring;2137649]Roger,
Numerous girls have duplicate accounts so it can't be that hard to organise. Yes multiple email and verification accounts are required.
I remember reading in one of the Terms of Service that the limit is 1000 messages per day (don't quote me as I can't remember if it was PL or FC). If she is that busy, is $100 for an annual subscription to an unlimited account such a big ask? If it is, give me her number and I'll happily work out a repayment plan with her. LOL.[/QUOTE]True but her issue is that she wants to get all the messages and guys names etc and that is proving hard as PL want her to pay to upgrade to get what she wants.
She tried a duplicate account but was blocked. Well asked her upgrade. I suspect as was same IP or same email but am getting the info in drips at the moment.
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[QUOTE=RedKilt;2137697]It must be worthwhile for the rent-seekers because they persist with their sexy-looking profiles month in month out, so they must succeed with the newbies who discover PL but don't realize they are getting professional WGs.[/QUOTE]It is the same here in Pattaya. A lot of girls that guys are meeting on sites are the same ones that have been hoeing in the clubs for years. Had a buddy that made his first trip to AC recently and no matter what insisted to find chicks online before he went. When he showed the pictures at the end of his trip of course everyone was like that is so and so and knew all about the chicks already. They call it pipelining and I think most younger guys are using fb to do it instead of the paid sites.
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[QUOTE=WickedRoger;2137719]True but her issue is that she wants to get all the messages and guys names etc and that is proving hard as PL want her to pay to upgrade to get what she wants.[/QUOTE]Roger,
Has she received a message specifically saying that she is being blocked because of popularity? Sounds like she is being blocked from reading messages from other unpaid Standard members. That's a limitation on everyone regrdless of popularity. There are a lot of Cheap Charlie's on the site that will not pay for membership but will still try to contact girls with phone numbers in their usernames etc.
Regardless it sounds like the best solution is for her to cough up the $100. It will allow her to view messages from everyone, initiate contact with unpaid members and removed any volume restriction. She would also receive priority placement of her profile and messages
For clarity:
Standard members can send to and receive messages from paid subscribers.
Standard members cannot read messages received from other Satndard Members.
Paid members can send and read messages from anyone.
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[QUOTE=WickedRoger;2137719]True but her issue is that she wants to get all the messages and guys names etc and that is proving hard as PL want her to pay to upgrade to get what she wants.[/QUOTE]I can remember joking with buddies years ago that we should write a Hookers' Business Plan. It seems now that that would need to include a Social Media Marketting Plan.
Ooooh the struggles of being a hot asian in the modern world. . . LOL.
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[QUOTE=Goferring;2137947]Roger,
Has she received a message specifically saying that she is being blocked because of popularity? Sounds like she is being blocked from reading messages from other unpaid Standard members. That's a limitation on everyone regrdless of popularity. There are a lot of Cheap Charlie's on the site that will not pay for membership but will still try to contact girls with phone numbers in their usernames etc.
Regardless it sounds like the best solution is for her to cough up the $100. It will allow her to view messages from everyone, initiate contact with unpaid members and removed any volume restriction. She would also receive priority placement of her profile and messages
For clarity:
Standard members can send to and receive messages from paid subscribers.
Standard members cannot read messages received from other Satndard Members.
Paid members can send and read messages from anyone.[/QUOTE]When she opens her page (and I have had access you get a message saying please upgrade as you are very popular. The message gives 4 options all using Paypal or a credit card the cheapest being $25 for a month.
She can't understand why she has this as thought was free to all ladies and I am at a loss as don't use PL or other site like this.
All she wants is access to the messages etc as then she can make a new profile with new email etc and start afresh.
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[QUOTE=WickedRoger;2138364]When she opens her page (and I have had access you get a message saying please upgrade as you are very popular. The message gives 4 options all using Paypal or a credit card the cheapest being $25 for a month.
She can't understand why she has this as thought was free to all ladies and I am at a loss as don't use PL or other site like this.
All she wants is access to the messages etc as then she can make a new profile with new email etc and start afresh.[/QUOTE]She's up for a membership regardless - $25 if she just wants to access her old messages then move on with multiple accounts or if she want long term ability to initiate contact, then the 12 month subscription is better value.
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This is actually a very good business idea, G.
[QUOTE=Goferring;2137952]I can remember joking with buddies years ago that we should write a Hookers' Business Plan. It seems now that that would need to include a Social Media Marketting Plan.
Ooooh the struggles of being a hot asian in the modern world. . . LOL.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=DCups;2139254]This is actually a very good business idea, G.[/QUOTE]I don't know. . . . Lots of demand but a market crowded with competition. New and better looking models hitting the market all the time. A short operating life also increases capital and sunk costs. . . . LOL.
There are actually a few hooker contracts floating around on the Net. Google "contract marriage" and they will pop up.
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[QUOTE=BrainDrain;2137205]Everyone finds a suitable arrangement. I know that as a 50 yo I am going to have to pay to have a 20 yo staying in the house. The benefit of paying is that she will leave when the money stops. I pay for cleaner, cook & laundry. GF is for conversation, looking good at parties, running errands, doing her study and safe reliable high-performance bedroom performances.[/QUOTE]Not often on the board these days tho my post count will certainly indicate I was previously.
I live in Makati in my own place. Been here nearly two years.I have numerous girls who come and visit (not suprisingly) and enjoy my bed. What has been suprising is that many are happily into the domestics. There's a couple ladies who say " please keep your ironing I will do during my visit. Theres another few who love to cook and granted it all Filipino food its still good ad enjoyable and freshly made and they always make enough so that I have some extra portions in my fridge.
One gla used to work in a laundry so she enjoys cleaning my bed sheets. Which is weird. Another, is fabulous at sweeping mopping floor and dusting. This has been a revelation to me. They all seem to do the dishes in the sink without batting an eye.
I now realise there are two types of lady. The one who walks in, sits down, asks for aircon and wonders why I don't have a TV. I know she will expect me to fuck her lick her whatever and won't do much else. They don't get invited back.
The other types are the ones who do all the domestics, plus will be an equal partner in bed and who will happily give me a long lingering body scrub after. Guys, you don't need a live in maid: You just have to select the right type of girl.
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[QUOTE=FreebieFan;2143166]The other types are the ones who do all the domestics, plus will be an equal partner in bed and who will happily give me a long lingering body scrub after. Guys, you don't need a live in maid: You just have to select the right type of girl.[/QUOTE]That can be difficult to cultivate. Most of us are into throw-away gals (Find / F*ck / Forget). Having said that, I can concur with FF: A small stable of regulars who are happy to return with you time after time can be worth its weight in gold. Lose all the rest.
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[QUOTE=FreebieFan;2143166]I live in Makati in my own place. Been here nearly two years.I have numerous girls who come and visit (not suprisingly) and enjoy my bed. What has been suprising is that many are happily into the domestics.[/QUOTE]Where have you been man? To me that was always the good thing about Asia. If a chick doesn't at least make my bed up in the morning then she is not invited back. Even when I travel with chicks in Asia and Latin America they always try to make the bed up in the hotel. I'm like that is not your job; they pay someone to do that. A few months ago I had a chick that had just gotten off at the gogo at 3 am. When I went down to let her in I got my laundry out of the dryer. When we got in the room and I spread my laundry out she told me to sit down and relax and she would put my laundry away. My ex girlfriend has a job at a hotel front desk. I always have her come over to do the deep cleaning. I would always try to pay her $15 but she would never want the money. Now she happiy accepts it.
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Pina Love on Android devices
Does anyone have issues reading their PL messages on Android phones or tablets?
I can scroll through my Outbox but can't open any messages and I can't scroll down through my Inbox but can open the first 10 or so that I can view.
No problems on a PC or iPad.
Thoughts??
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[QUOTE=Goferring;2138946]She's up for a membership regardless - $25 if she just wants to access her old messages then move on with multiple accounts or if she want long term ability to initiate contact, then the 12 month subscription is better value.[/QUOTE]Just a follow up o this G.
She tried to ask a friend to pay the membership but as the friend is male PL rejected the deposit! First time I have heard a CC being refused due to gender! SO tries to use her PayPal but again asks for a CC which she does not have (just a simple bank ATM BPI Express card).
Now trying to find a lady with a CC who can help but most her friends don't carry cards as we would know.
So seems she is screwed but not in the nicer way.
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[QUOTE=Goferring;2143875]Does anyone have issues reading their PL messages on Android phones or tablets?
I can scroll through my Outbox but can't open any messages and I can't scroll down through my Inbox but can open the first 10 or so that I can view.
No problems on a PC or iPad.
Thoughts??[/QUOTE]Just answering my own question. PL has a "View as Desktop" option on the Android screen. This gives full access to all messages.
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[QUOTE=WickedRoger;2143923]Just a follow up o this G.
She tried to ask a friend to pay the membership but as the friend is male PL rejected the deposit! First time I have heard a CC being refused due to gender![/QUOTE]And how would they know the gender of the CC holder? Especially since some Filipinas have boy names anyway.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2144224]And how would they know the gender of the CC holder? Especially since some Filipinas have boy names anyway.[/QUOTE]Cards do have the owners sex recorded. At least mine do.
My wife has a name that no westerner would know if she was male or female and I have phoned our bank to sort out issues in the past. I had all the passwords, account numbers etc but they refused to speak to a male voice.
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[QUOTE=WickedRoger;2143923]
Now trying to find a lady with a CC who can help but most her friends don't carry cards as we would know.
So seems she is screwed but not in the nicer way.[/QUOTE]Roger,
Are prepaid debit cards available in the phils? Here they are plentiful and as easy to get as store gift cards.
If not PM me a legal name and DOB and I'll bring one in her name with me. I'll need it TODAY (Thursday) as I fly out tonight.
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Keen on joining!
Hello there!
I am currently in Bali and will move on to Japan for cherry blossom season. Keen on learning more about your setup and maybe joining. Message me.
Cheers.
[QUOTE=Ccu2401;2121761]I've had this desire for quite sometime. To setup a group fun - 4 guys and 4 girls. Find 4 cute girls that love and do about anything. Then have a week of fun, clubbing, beach, pool and of course a lot of sex.
Well I've got the girls lined up. And I know the location. The date is somewhat flexible. April or May.
Now I need a couple of guys that want to participate. I'm going to be very selective. Because I've set this up with the girls that we are all old friends. With an age range of 38-42 - just need to appear to be that old. I'm older than 42 but I look younger.
About the girls (they will all be on birth control. Still working on a way to confirm this! Hahaha).[/QUOTE]
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Not fake?
A DIA gal writes, "I may not be Perfect but at least I am not fake".
I thought this was a bit odd since she has bleached blonde hair, colored contact lens, big painted eyebrows, and tattoos.
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Some thoughts regarding pinay girlfriends.
[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2114708]My categories are simply arbitrary cutoff's on a continuous scale. An individual girl's placement along this scale and her behaviors can also change, sometimes quickly, depending on circumstances. For example; a regular girl may demonstrate semi-pro behaviors when bills are due.
Good girls.
Hard to find because they will not usually date foreigners because of the stigma associated with that in Phil society. They are typically religious, social conservative types. Most likely sexually inexperienced. To get anywhere you will need to meet the family and pass their approval as well. Looking for a commitment before sex. They would be very insulted of the offer of money for sex, that is most likely the best way to not get laid is to offer money for sex.[/QUOTE]Just always remember that the percentage of good honest Filipinos is really very very low. So you guys, shouldn't fool yourself regarding good pinays. Just be realistic and cynic and try to analyze your so called relationship soberly. 99 % of pinays are sl#ts and you should always keep that axiom in your mind, no matter what they do and how they behave. Anyway their final target is your money.
First of all if you are old and she is young don't expect any feelings from her side, no matter what she could try to instil in your mind. It's ridiculous to think, that she enjoys your flabby butt, double chin and beer belly. Always ask yourself, are you same attractive for a young girl in your home country? If answer is no, then don't expect to be attractive for Filipino either. The only one reason why she could be with you is your wallet and bank account.
It is mistakenly to think, that those girls who expect money for sex are more [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue], then pinays who seek "relationship". The only difference is that first type of girls is more straightforward, while "good girls" are more sly and expect you to pay double for the time she spends with you as soon as the right time comes.
You mentioned, that good / regular girl "may accept some help with expenses" and that is exactly what I was talking about. She may not ask you directly to pay for sex, but she will say, she doesn't have money to pay bills, or her sister or brother urgently needs 10 k to enroll for overseas job, or maybe she hints, her phone is old and has almost dead battery. She will invent million circumstances, which all are aimed to extract money from you. Don't think, that if she doesn't ask directly, she is honest and good girl. She could milk you in more sophisticated way, when she just shares with you her everyday life events and you as a noble prince offer her help by yourself and she "accepts". LOL Sure thing she accepts. Never ever let pinay to treat you like ATM. That is a basic rule. You should accept unequal match only if you clearly understand the rules of that deal.
If you are not an old fart, but a middle aged or young man, then you should be twice as much cynic with your girlfriend. Remember, that despite you might be good looking guy, pinays are primarily interested in your wealth anyway. Never ever give her any money for her expenses. Not a penny. Just f#ck her for free. If she is willing to play relationship game, then everything should be for free. If she doesn't like that, then move on without regret. In my opinion, every monger in Philippines, who wants to play relationship game, should have at least 5-6 GF at the same time, to be able to switch between them quickly.
Pinays are the biggest liars in the world. You might be mislead by their addiction to the church, but actually there is nothing to do between honesty and religion for them. Mostly for modern pinays the church is not a place of worship, but rather a place to party with her friends. That is a place to play music, to sing, to chit chat and of course to eat. That is what they like the most. To eat for free as much as possible. That is why many young pinays have pot belly, as they never miss a chance to stuff their stomach with free food.
It is not considered a sin for them to lie to foreigners, as well as to cheat them. Do you know, that many pinays who are used to date foreigners are in relationship with pinoys at the same time? It is very common practice in Philippines. So if your GF doesn't date other foreigners, it doesn't mean she is not f#cked by locals at the same time. It's a myth that filipinas are attracted by fair skin, long height and long noses. It is BS. If pinoys were as wealthy as an average monger who comes to Phills, pinays would definitely choose locals over foreigners.
Regarding the reason, why a girl may want to introduce you to her family, please don't be mislead in this regard. It is very common practice in Philippines, but it means nothing for them. Absolutely. So that to understand, why she do that, you should understand how they live. Imagine a family, where parents don't work, 2 sisters don't work, 3 brothers among 4 don't work and just forth brother works in Dubai, or KSA. And he alone provides all his big family and sends them money every single month. It is considered normal for Philippines. Why to work if one of their relative can provide all of them. Most pinoys and pinays are incredible lazy. That is their mentality. Now, when girl introduces her fair skinned ATM to her family, she means nothing with that. Remember that every single member of her family will look at you like at ATM and like at a source of their future income. They may be friendly, but it means nothing, since they don't consider you a man. They don't give a f#ck whether their daughter will be with you, or with other guy. What matters is that you as her BF can help them financially sooner or later. Let's say they may be aware, that your girl has pinoy BF and still it is considered normal for their mentality that she invited you in their house. Possibly she invited other foreigner just 2 weeks ago and still they are ok with that. You are a walking wallet and nothing more than that.
You also mentioned, that "regular girls" often bring friends or relatives along on first date and that is true. But I will explain the reason, why they do so. The reason is damn simple. To eat for free at the expenses of foolish foreigner. Yes, that simple. Sometimes they even bring food remains along with them. So never ever accept any friends, aunts, sisters, cousins etc on the first date. Let your proposed GF to know in advance, that no one else is accepted on your date. Just you and she. Ask her to come to a restaurant beside your place (condo, hotel, house whatever). Decline her appeals about transport expenses, which she wants you to cover. It is her problems how to get on date. Feed her, chit chat for a while and go to your place to f#ck right after lunch / dinner. Never wait until the second or third date. She clearly knows, that a foreigner wants her sweet pussy in the first place. So if she accepts to date with you, she therefore accepts to f#ck with you automatically. Never give her any money after your first sex. If you are a BF and GF everything should be for free. Explain her that simple thing, if she doesn't understand.
Few words regarding provincial girls, who are considered less spoiled than metropolitan girls. I disagree. They might lie and cheat you as well. And by the way you have much more chances to encounter a provincial girl, who has pinoy BF in fact. So always stay alert.
I might sound cynic, but that is how things go in Philippines. I don't mean, you should behave yourself like a trash with a girl. No way. Always be a man, stay gallant, polite and respectful. Just never give money to your pinay GF. It is a privilege for her to eat good food at a restaurant, to sleep at a good air conditioned room, to travel with you perhaps. That is more than enough. You let her feel princess, and she gives you her pussy. That is a deal between you and her, which is called "relationship".
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[QUOTE=XMan;2147315]A DIA gal writes, "I may not be Perfect but at least I am not fake".
I thought this was a bit odd since she has bleached blonde hair, colored contact lens, big painted eyebrows, and tattoos.[/QUOTE]Got to love copy and paste.
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[QUOTE=XMan;2147315]A DIA gal writes, "I may not be Perfect but at least I am not fake".
[/QUOTE]I have heard this exact phrase million times from multiple different pinays. It can be decrypted like that: I am a cheater, a liar, I get laid to gain money, I am used to f#ck over guys. It is description of the first part "I am not perfect".
The second part of the phrase "but at least I am not a fake" can be decrypted like that: but still I am who I am, and you should accept me as is.
I want to notice, that in spite of all people are individuals, Filipinas for some reason have the same ideation for many things. It makes them very predictable if you get a clue of their mentality.
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Story of abusive homeless Swedish guy.
Hey guys,
My latest favourite pinay told me a story recently the blew my mind. I have a fair amount of experience with Filipinas and I thought I had heard it all, but this particular story shocked me. I can't decide if if is true or not and would appreciate your opinion if you think it is or not, or if you have ever heard of such a tale. I can't see a reason for her to make this up.
Just as a background, I have been with many Filipinas, and I usually strive for open casual relationships. I am always straight forward and upfront about it, and am not into playing games and deceiving them. This particular girl whom I met on one of the dating sites seems very sweet, enough so that I might actually consider some sort of long term relationship with her. I like her quite bit, but I am not significantly emotionally invested in her; I think I am far too jaded and experienced for that. We recently had an awesome couple of days together towards the end of my last trip, so much so that I am planning to spend a whole week with her on my next trip. She is in her early 20's, lives with her parents in Metro Manila, no kids, has a basic job. She seems very sweet and kind and does not seem like a scammer-type. Most surprisingly to me, so far she has shown no interest in my money.
Anyway, so we have been chatting online while apart, so I finally got around to asking her about her previous boyfriend. All I knew was that he was Swedish. So when I asked more about it, she tells me this:
Last year, they met online, and he asked her for help. He told her that he had been in Philippines for 2 months, and had lost his money, his passport and his phone. So she helped him out by putting him up in a hotel for a few days. He would come over to her work and court her. Apparently he is 28 years old. Supposedly he is very nice initially, and she falls in love with the guy. So she basically supported him for a while and after a few months they decide to go on vacation somewhere in Batangas. He promises to her that he will reimburse her once he can locate his ATM card or bank account number or whatever.
Once in Batangas, he confesses he is a resident alien in Philippines. He has been in the Philippines for 4 years, no visa, no passport. He has 3 kids from 2 different Filipinos. She keeps paying for their food and stuff until her money runs out, and then he starts abusing her, hitting her etc. She has to pawn her phone just to get a bit of money for food. Apparently they are camping somewhere. He hits her so hard at one point that she is fearful for her life. He won't let her out of her site, but eventually she manages to escape and she walks for 3 hours to get to a bus terminal, and begs a stranger for some money for bus fare to get back to Manila. She does not report this apparent scumbag to the police and does not tell her parents or her friends. Supposedly she has not heard from this guy since.
I am flabbergasted that their could be such scumbag foreigners in the Philippines. Sure, there are some back home, but I would not think many who would have the wherewithal to buy a plane ticket to travel to and get stuck in a faraway country. I have heard of foreign guys becoming homeless in the Philippines, but how many would stoop so low as to financially exploit a Filipino and become abusive like that?
Guys, have any of you heard of such story? How likely do you think this could be true? I don't really see any motive for her to lie, because it would not really affect her relationship with me in either positive or negative way (at least as far as I can see).
I would appreciate your considered opinions.
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Chat rooms in the Provinces
So, after being the flag waver for online P2 P I hit a snag when I arrived in Davao. Looking back I think I made two fundamental errors.
Firstly I started searching and chatting far to early, a couple of months (and two countries) before I arrived in town. This lead to litterally hundereds of names and numbers for 4 cities, scattered across several platforms and some messages and names becoming so old that they were auto deleted by the App. I rapidly lost track of the priority numbers, the girls listed as being in manila but were actually in cebu and the all the scam artists to be avoided at all costs.
Secondly, I set my sights too high, where diminishing returns kicked in with the amount of time, effort and general fuck around required to bag one of the many stunners, increasing exponentially with looks and popularity. Common issues with these were no replies for the first few introductory messages, last minute cancelations and no shows and basically being strung along with no end in sight. Many were scammers with almost immediate requests for money for some malady or redirection to cam shows. Its hard to believe but some also let an education timetable or real job limit their access to sampling my fine self. Who would have thought it possible?
Evening 1. I had made contact with one of the girls before arrival and we agreed to meet at a 7/11 near my hotel. She was there with a security blanket friend which was fine. However, I immediately got the sense that something wasnt right. I regard my gaydar to be pretty good but it took the swishing of the hair for alarms to start screaming BAKLA ALLERT. Taxi fare was donated to get off home and I was back to the room alone. By this time it was well past midnight, no one was alive online so I called it quits and went to bed. I'd been shot out of the water the first night in town.
Day 1. Numerous "text me when you arrive" mysteriously vanished and I couldn't raise the dead. One target did take the bait and agree to come over at noon. She arrived and clearly the photos were 20 lb ago but no way was I crashing out two days in a row!! Back to the room and "I'm a good girl", talk, talk, talk, yap, yap, yap. Finally got to stuff something in her mouth to quieten her down. Thankfully, not a bad performer so that settled the nerves a little. She left with 1000 p taxi money.
That evening I made contact with a PL girl and confirmed that she would be dropping around after work. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. No show! Aaargh!! I installed Viber and almost immediately hooked a fish: 21 looked half decent. On a good thing, I asked what the rates were. 4 k for 2 shots in 2 hours. Needed to be gone in time for school to start! What? Is it made of gold? Asleep alone. . . AGAIN.
Day 2 (Today). Woke at 3 am by my phone buzzing a new message. It was a local lass confirming her number. . . "Why do you want me to come over at 3 am?" she asked. She arrived. A real girl. GOAL!! Another "I'm a good girl" saga then gave an expert deep throat BBBJ with rimming. A second session was had at day break and she was 1000 p "late with the rent" on the way out.
Today continues with lunch with an ISG contributor and an afternoon Tinder drop in. We'll see. . . .
To be continued. . . .
Many thanks to those that answered my PMs with info and also those on the ground in town who have helped me. The above is a bit tongue in cheek and your assistance is greatly appreciated.
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[QUOTE=Tagalog2016;2147529]Just always remember that the percentage of good honest Filipinos is really very very low. So you guys, shouldn't fool yourself regarding good pinays. Just be realistic and cynic and try to analyze your so called relationship soberly. 99 % of pinays are sl#ts and you should always keep that axiom in your mind, no matter what they do and how they behave. Anyway their final target is your money. <SNIP>
[/QUOTE]Totally disagree with you. To say that 99% of pinays are sl#ts is ridiculous.
You sound like a pinoy who has been burned by a few girls, probably because you didn't treat them the way most real gentlemen do, and so you are bitter and twisted about being screwed by some of them. I have lived and worked here for almost 21 years now and not one of the hundreds of professional women with whom I have worked would fit your ill-informed rant.
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[QUOTE=RedKilt;2147849]Totally disagree with you. To say that 99% of pinays are sl#ts is ridiculous.
You sound like a pinoy who has been burned by a few girls, probably because you didn't treat them the way most real gentlemen do, and so you are bitter and twisted about being screwed by some of them. I have lived and worked here for almost 21 years now and not one of the hundreds of professional women with whom I have worked would fit your ill-informed rant.[/QUOTE]Few hundreds professional women which you refer to still could fit in my definition taking into account hundreds of thousands WGs which you didn't mention.
I know some pinays with good office job, whom I can call a professional in their business, which still doesn't bother them to cheat foreigners. After work she could skype with her daddy sponsor, who visits her twice a year and after sweet "buy bye baby, I love you", she login DIA immediately to arrange fucking with a monger, who will come at her city next week. I know pro WG from Cebu, who is office worker in one quite reputable company. She says, she enjoys her lifestyle and nobody at work knows about her second work after hours.
FYI I am not a pinoy, but I have enough experience to conclude about Filipinas. You may have different point of view, and I won't dispute. This is a forum to share different opinions.
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[QUOTE=RedKilt;2147849]Totally disagree with you. To say that 99% of pinays are sl#ts is ridiculous.
You sound like a pinoy who has been burned by a few girls, probably because you didn't treat them the way most real gentlemen do, and so you are bitter and twisted about being screwed by some of them. I have lived and worked here for almost 21 years now and not one of the hundreds of professional women with whom I have worked would fit your ill-informed rant.[/QUOTE]I usually hear crap like 99% are sluts from products of one. If that was so true I would have been dead from screwing decades ago!
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[QUOTE=RedKilt;2147849]Totally disagree with you. To say that 99% of pinays are sl#ts is ridiculous.
------- I have lived and worked here for almost 21 years now and not one of the hundreds of professional women with whom I have worked would fit your ill-informed rant.[/QUOTE]Ill informed?
The hundreds professional girls you met, did you counted what is the percentage they are with the rest population?
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[QUOTE=IgoforAsian;2147781]Hey guys,
My latest favourite pinay told me a story recently the blew my mind. I have a fair amount of experience with Filipinas and I thought I had heard it all, but this particular story shocked me. I can't decide if if is true or not and would appreciate your opinion if you think it is or not, or if you have ever heard of such a tale. I can't see a reason for her to make this up.
Just as a background, I have been with many Filipinas, and I usually strive for open casual relationships. I am always straight forward and upfront about it, and am not into playing games and deceiving them. This particular girl whom I met on one of the dating sites seems very sweet, enough so that I might actually consider some sort of long term relationship with her. I like her quite bit, but I am not significantly emotionally invested in her; I think I am far too jaded and experienced for that. We recently had an awesome couple of days together towards the end of my last trip, so much so that I am planning to spend a whole week with her on my next trip. She is in her early 20's, lives with her parents in Metro Manila, no kids, has a basic job. She seems very sweet and kind and does not seem like a scammer-type. Most surprisingly to me, so far she has shown no interest in my money.
Anyway, so we have been chatting online while apart, so I finally got around to asking her about her previous boyfriend. All I knew was that he was Swedish. So when I asked more about it, she tells me this:
Last year, they met online, and he asked her for help. He told her that he had been in Philippines for 2 months, and had lost his money, his passport and his phone. So she helped him out by putting him up in a hotel for a few days. He would come over to her work and court her. Apparently he is 28 years old. Supposedly he is very nice initially, and she falls in love with the guy. So she basically supported him for a while and after a few months they decide to go on vacation somewhere in Batangas. He promises to her that he will reimburse her once he can locate his ATM card or bank account number or whatever.
Once in Batangas, he confesses he is a resident alien in Philippines. He has been in the Philippines for 4 years, no visa, no passport. He has 3 kids from 2 different Filipinos. She keeps paying for their food and stuff until her money runs out, and then he starts abusing her, hitting her etc. She has to pawn her phone just to get a bit of money for food. Apparently they are camping somewhere. He hits her so hard at one point that she is fearful for her life. He won't let her out of her site, but eventually she manages to escape and she walks for 3 hours to get to a bus terminal, and begs a stranger for some money for bus fare to get back to Manila. She does not report this apparent scumbag to the police and does not tell her parents or her friends. Supposedly she has not heard from this guy since.
I am flabbergasted that their could be such scumbag foreigners in the Philippines. Sure, there are some back home, but I would not think many who would have the wherewithal to buy a plane ticket to travel to and get stuck in a faraway country. I have heard of foreign guys becoming homeless in the Philippines, but how many would stoop so low as to financially exploit a Filipino and become abusive like that?
Guys, have any of you heard of such story? How likely do you think this could be true? I don't really see any motive for her to lie, because it would not really affect her relationship with me in either positive or negative way (at least as far as I can see).
I would appreciate your considered opinions.[/QUOTE]I believe her. The details would be pretty hard for her to make it up.
There are many heartless low life pooreingners in Philippines. Look around and you will easily see them in the Philippines.
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[QUOTE=MuaTur;2147946]Ill informed?
The hundreds professional girls you met, did you counted what is the percentage they are with the rest population?[/QUOTE]The only true statement that can be made is: 100% of the mongers are sluts.
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[QUOTE=Tagalog2016;2147862]Few hundreds professional women which you refer to still could fit in my definition taking into account hundreds of thousands WGs which you didn't mention.
I know some pinays with good office job, whom I can call a professional in their business, which still doesn't bother them to cheat foreigners.[/QUOTE]I understand what you mean. Sure it may not be exactly 99% but you are saying it is a much higher number than other countries. Why else would we go there?
Last time I was in AC I spent time with a chick that works at a call center. Everything was great hanging out with this chick. (Only thing, she wouldn't let me go to her house. Talking about she doesn't want her daughter to meet someone she isn't sure wants to be in a real relationship with her.) Made me want to go to AC more often. She didn't want anything...until I left. Then she hit me up for a new phone. I told her no and I haven't heard from her since.
Another married Pinay that I used to bang out here in Thailand a few years ago treated me like a king. Her husband gave her everything she could ever want. Then one day she asked me to buy her a new phone. This chick had a nice SUV, a big ass house with a pool, and a phone that was not old! So I told her no. That was the last time I heard from her as well.
Are guys really buying phones and high ticket items for chicks like it is as simple as a dinner? I got my phone 1 year ago and still have 1 more year to pay it off. How the hell would I look buying a phone for a chick? When I was married, my wife didn't even ask for shit like that. For a chick that I fuck to expect me to spend that kind of money on her is just ridiculous to me.
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She didn't want anything. Until I left. Then she hit me up for a new phone. I told her no and I haven't heard from her since.
What kind of phones are they asking for? You can get a nice Blu phone for about $100.
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[QUOTE=CubaTourist;2148163]What kind of phones are they asking for? You can get a nice Blu phone for about $100.[/QUOTE]LOL. Well I never even ask. The chick in AC had a Samsung Galaxy S2. It was truly on its last few calls. The chick in Thailand had a phone that was virtually new, but like I said I am not about to buy shit for a married chick with a rich husband.
To me it shows where they truly are. Somebody tells them no and they disappear. That is not the kind of woman I need in my life anyway.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2148126]I understand what you mean. Sure it may not be exactly 99% but you are saying it is a much higher number than other countries. Why else would we go there?
Last time I was in AC I spent time with a chick that works at a call center. Everything was great hanging out with this chick. (Only thing, she wouldn't let me go to her house. Talking about she doesn't want her daughter to meet someone she isn't sure wants to be in a real relationship with her.) Made me want to go to AC more often. She didn't want anything...until I left. Then she hit me up for a new phone. I told her no and I haven't heard from her since.
Another married Pinay that I used to bang out here in Thailand a few years ago treated me like a king. Her husband gave her everything she could ever want. Then one day she asked me to buy her a new phone. This chick had a nice SUV, a big ass house with a pool, and a phone that was not old! So I told her no. That was the last time I heard from her as well.
Are guys really buying phones and high ticket items for chicks like it is as simple as a dinner? I got my phone 1 year ago and still have 1 more year to pay it off. How the hell would I look buying a phone for a chick? When I was married, my wife didn't even ask for shit like that. For a chick that I fuck to expect me to spend that kind of money on her is just ridiculous to me.[/QUOTE]This is very common in China. Chinese women ask for new phones to see if you are serious about the relationship. I wonder if this started because so many girls work in Hong Kong.
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[QUOTE=Dg8787;2148116]The only true statement that can be made is: 100% of the mongers are sluts.[/QUOTE]In this point sure I would be agree.
But you have to agree that.
1. Most of the wives in Philippine ready to fuck if there money involved.
2. Most students will gladly accept a sugar daddy sponsor, but what she serves?
3. Any girl is accessible in Philippine just need patience and money.
Money can buy anything in Philippine. It is the Philippine made up in this way, just the history says. And that's why we mongers are there.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2148126]I understand what you mean. Sure it may not be exactly 99% but you are saying it is a much higher number than other countries. Why else would we go there?
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Are guys really buying phones and high ticket items for chicks like it is as simple as a dinner? I got my phone 1 year ago and still have 1 more year to pay it off. How the hell would I look buying a phone for a chick? When I was married, my wife didn't even ask for shit like that. For a chick that I fuck to expect me to spend that kind of money on her is just ridiculous to me.[/QUOTE]It's the perception may varies man to man. Once I buy a copy Samsung (Android) from China for a girl in Bacolod and that is still working nice. It was not much money but it is priceless to see the happy face of the girl and what she serve all time memorable.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2148126]I understand what you mean. Sure it may not be exactly 99% but you are saying it is a much higher number than other countries. Why else would we go there?[/QUOTE]Phone is just one of million other stuffs she could ask you to buy directly or indirectly. It could be money for medication, her papa urgently needs, bills, loans, anything. As respected Chocha Monger told, you should always say no and stick your dick in her mouth instead so that not to hear all this BS about money.
Unfortunately newbie mongers spoiled a lot of pinays from dating sites, who claim, they want relationship, offering them money after sex and paying their bills. Just never do that. Period.
You can have a great time with your Filipina GF if you clearly understand the rules of the game and if you treat her in the right way, she deserves to be treated. Besides money matter, please make sure your feelings not to prevail over your mind. Pinays can seem very convincing, when it comes to amorous matters, because they often use sweet words, which you could misinterpret as a genuine ones. She doesn't mind to say you mahal kita sobra sobra or lab lab (I love you), while her lips still smell with the sperm of other monger, she swallowed an hour ago, before your date.
It is easy to lose control over your mind eventually, and that's where all troubles begin. Always remember that it is a game. It is not real relationship, so never let yourself to fall in love. Better move on, then let her to milk you, even if it hurts.
For some strange reason, pinays are very demanding towards your honesty and loyalty. It is strange, because they themselves are extremely unreliable, in regards of both cheating and lie. Never excuse yourself in front of her. Take it for granted, as an axiom. Just ignore her BS questions based on jealousy. That is a best tactics. It won't take long for her to change her mind and to realize she was wrong. In this game, called relationship, you must be a host, and she must be submissive. If you let yourself to be soft, sooner or later you will realise, she tries to command you, which is totally unacceptable taking into account she is just a [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue].
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[QUOTE=Dg8787;2148116]The only true statement that can be made is: 100% of the mongers are sluts.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately according to my experience, such kind of claims come from expats who have pinay wife or long term pinay GF. They fell in love, which made them think soft and that is why they defend Filipinas, believing their women are not like that. Especially when I describe common situations such as old guy. Young girl, money matter etc, where they recognize themselves which [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] them off. I sencirely hope that those expats women are among 1% of truly good Filipinas.
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[QUOTE=MuaTur;2148230]In this point sure I would be agree.
But you have to agree that.
1. Most of the wives in Philippine ready to fuck if there money involved.
2. Most students will gladly accept a sugar daddy sponsor, but what she serves?
3. Any girl is accessible in Philippine just need patience and money.
Money can buy anything in Philippine. It is the Philippine made up in this way, just the history says. And that's why we mongers are there.[/QUOTE]I totally disagree with all 3 points. If this was true then you could just walk down the street outside of a "red light" area and openly solicit anyone you like and receive a taker. Give this a try in the general population and report back.
Mongers are there because we have a definite economic advantage creating a demand. Girls need to support family and some need money for medical reasons create a supply. This supply is a small portion of the total population of women.
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[QUOTE=MuaTur;2148233]It's the perception may varies man to man. Once I buy a copy Samsung (Android) from China for a girl in Bacolod and that is still working nice. It was not much money but it is priceless to see the happy face of the girl and what she serve all time memorable.[/QUOTE]Only a few of us understand the true value of this. I keep a stock of cell phones on hand.
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[QUOTE=AggieDad1;2148198]This is very common in China. Chinese women ask for new phones to see if you are serious about the relationship. I wonder if this started because so many girls work in Hong Kong.[/QUOTE]They ask to see if you are serious about them in these cases. After that they realize you are of no value to them emotionally or relationship wise. Good bye Charlie. Happens around the world.
Different set of girls who work in Hong Kong from PH. After working HKG they don't need to screw for pesos and they have much higher socioeconomic guys to choose from. They realize they have much higher value.
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[QUOTE=Dg8787;2148438]I totally disagree with all 3 points. If this was true then you could just walk down the street outside of a "red light" area and openly solicit anyone you like and receive a taker. Give this a try in the general population and report back.
Mongers are there because we have a definite economic advantage creating a demand. Girls need to support family and some need money for medical reasons create a supply. This supply is a small portion of the total population of women.[/QUOTE]NP! That is what I did tens of times. Waitress, military, shop attendant, receptionist, office worker etc were met right on the spot and fucked afterwards. Some people prefer arrangements in advance, but only when you are in Phills you can realize the real scope of young wet pussies, waiting for your dick to stick inside. They are so many and you can choose whoever you want, providing you have enough time and you are relatively good looking guy and not an old fart.
That is very true, that girls are primarily interested in your wealth, but it depends just on your behavior, whether you let them treat like walking ATM or not. I never pay and they are always happy. The sad truth is that experience is mostly often based on your own mistakes. You never believe stories told by someone, or read on web. You should undergo everything by yourself to become a seasoned monger in Philippines.
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[QUOTE=Dg8787;2148438]I totally disagree with all 3 points. If this was true then you could just walk down the street outside of a "red light" area and openly solicit anyone you like and receive a taker. Give this a try in the general population and report back.
Mongers are there because we have a definite economic advantage creating a demand. Girls need to support family and some need money for medical reasons create a supply. This supply is a small portion of the total population of women.[/QUOTE]Honestly speaking I am not into red light area hunting nor hoping bars. That's why AC is not my usual play ground. I m based on Dating sites and Inter connections. I don't have Blond hair Nordic looks but my success rates pulls me in Philippine 3 or 4 times in a year. Wherever places I visited in Philippine always I succeeded more secrete plants for next action. I would not say taking them bed happens fast every time but patience and nursing always proved fruitful.
Yes money works in Philippine in high speed rather than any other places even speeder than Thailand. My perception develops because of my failure rate is very few even m not handsome or looker. Financial inability and influence of western culture makes Philippine unique and paradise for mongers.
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[QUOTE=MuaTur;2148456]Honestly speaking I am not into red light area hunting nor hoping bars. That's why AC is not my usual play ground. I m based on Dating sites and Inter connections. ......[/QUOTE]We are of the same philosophy. I have been successful just about every day I wanted new pussy and have been here 6 months. I have not once gone to a bar for a pickup or a street p4 p pickup.
I have used the dating sites a lot but also been successful getting phone numbers (which has lead to nice meetings afterwards) form shop girls, waitresses, a woman at the check out line beside me, women sitting at the next table at a Coffee Bean and Tea Leaf, at the pol in my condo and a nice lady from the bank who helped me open my account. Even the lady who helped me get my SRRV expressed an interest but I was not interested in her. The native shyness means you have to be the one doing the approaching the signs she is interested are subtle and difficult to read.
Some have been interested in money, some have just wanted to experience being with a foreigner, some were looking for fun for a few dates and some were looking for a long term relationship.
Non-pro women of all nationalities, in all countries, want a man that they will be safe with, that will protect them and that will provide for them. Being foreigner they know that we have the financial capability to provide for them. They hope that they will be safe with us but many are scared of being with a foreigner but they do feel safe that we will not tell everyone in their barangary and family that they are sluts. (Several women have had past Philippine BF do exactly that to them.).
The mongers here do tend to only see a small subset of pinas. They see the pros and semi pro's who are actively looking for a white wale to be landed and who the whole extended family can feed off of for years to come. They then extrapolate this into being all pinas and their families. They see pro's and semi pro's looking for a quick score today and a different one tomorrow. If you just take a look around you will quickly see many stable long term relationships between a foreigner and a pina.
There are estimates of about 800,000 sex workers in the Philippines [URL]http://www.philippinesredcat.com/types-and-costs-of-hookers-in-philippines/[/URL] Lets call it 2 million to be on the safe side and include the girls that just want to party and will accept "taxi" money. There are a little over 100 million people here, 50 million women so lets call it 25 million women between the ages of 18 and 40 which would be the target age range. That means that less than 10% of women are sex workers here.
There are women out there just looking for a decent guy who will be their gentle defender. You just cannot look in a bar full of pro's and expect her to be there waiting just for you. You might find her on a dating site but will most likely find her the same way you found your last GF at home, a chance meeting in a coffee shop, through her work, at a mutually interesting activity or being introduced by friends.
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[QUOTE=MuaTur;2148456]Honestly speaking I am not into red light area hunting nor hoping bars. That's why AC is not my usual play ground. I m based on Dating sites and Inter connections. I don't have Blond hair Nordic looks but my success rates pulls me in Philippine 3 or 4 times in a year. Wherever places I visited in Philippine always I succeeded more secrete plants for next action. I would not say taking them bed happens fast every time but patience and nursing always proved fruitful.
Yes money works in Philippine in high speed rather than any other places even speeder than Thailand. My perception develops because of my failure rate is very few even m not handsome or looker. Financial inability and influence of western culture makes Philippine unique and paradise for mongers.[/QUOTE]Of course money works here for you with the girls who don't have any. News flash, it works in other 3rd world countries, with those who don't have any. It doesn't work for you with people that have money.
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It is all about the money!
[QUOTE=MuaTur;2148456]Honestly speaking I am not into red light area hunting nor hoping bars. That's why AC is not my usual play ground. I m based on Dating sites and Inter connections. I don't have Blond hair Nordic looks but my success rates pulls me in Philippine 3 or 4 times in a year. Wherever places I visited in Philippine always I succeeded more secrete plants for next action. I would not say taking them bed happens fast every time but patience and nursing always proved fruitful.
Yes money works in Philippine in high speed rather than any other places even speeder than Thailand. My perception develops because of my failure rate is very few even m not handsome or looker. Financial inability and influence of western culture makes Philippine unique and paradise for mongers.[/QUOTE]All hot Pinay pudding tang is available for purchase. Social class only changes the price points, duration of negotiations, and degree of discretion required to close the deals.
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Cloud-Cuckoo-Land Softies.
[QUOTE=Tagalog2016;2148354]Phone is just one of million other stuffs she could ask you to buy directly or indirectly. It could be money for medication, her papa urgently needs, bills, loans, anything. As respected Chocha Monger told, you should always say no and stick your dick in her mouth instead so that not to hear all this BS about money.
Unfortunately newbie mongers spoiled a lot of pinays from dating sites, who claim, they want relationship, offering them money after sex and paying their bills. Just never do that. Period...[/QUOTE]That is a very keen accurate observation. The only mongers denying the extremely promiscuous and adulterous nature of Filipinas are expats or regular visitors married to, or in long-term relationships with, Filipinas. Some may even have half-Filipina daughters and granddaughters. Hence, they feel obligated to defend the honor of all Filipinas. It is only natural for them to defend their kin and interests.
However, any mongers having a soft head that leads them to believe the sweet lies, bedroom performances, and romantic theatrics that Filipinas put on, is headed for a major life crisis. Some mongers fall deeply into love and lose their minds, they start taking their Filipina seriously and believing her declarations of love everlasting. It is easy for a man to lose himself in those seemingly sincere dark opal eyes staring into his soul with childlike innocence. Surely, such a smooth-skinned silky-haired petite harmless Filipina fucklet cannot tell the wickedest lies, and possesses an insatiable lust for man flesh and cold hard cash. After burying their pork swords to the hilt and spilling their seed in her tight hot wet sweet meat, the poor fellas lose their grip on reality. They start thinking this Filipina must be the exception! Nothing will convince them that their docile doe-eyed little fuck monster does not belong in the 1% of truly good Filipinas.
Snapping backing into reality can be fatal for fellas who believe their Filipina is a paragon of virtue like Maria Clara. This crisis may come in many forms. Some fellas discover she was fucking the trike driver, and he is actually her husband from a traditional marriage conducted in her home village and never registered with the central government. They dig a bit further and realize that she was married to the trike driver before she met them and her relationship with them was nothing more than an elaborate lie for the past 5 years or more.
Many foreigners cannot comprehend that depth of deception, they start trying to sort out the reality from the fiction. Were her orgasms real? She did get sopping wet and fuck like a demon with her eyes glazed over. There was no faking that. Yet, the declarations of love and them being the only one for her were obviously lies, though in the moment they seemed genuine. Her tears of love, were they real or fake? Why would someone do such a thing for money? More than a few foreign fellas could not sort out the answers, and lost confidence in their ability to tell what was real and what was illusion. In an effort to escape their nightmares, they hurled themselves from high rooftops, windows and balconies.
It is true that the Filipinas are always insisting on the foreign boyfriend or husband being honest and loyal, while they themselves are untrustworthy cheaters and liars. I went to the field in search of an answer to this paradox. The answer was a simple one. It went like this, "Don't be stupid! Of course we want our foreigners to be honest and loyal; we don't want to share their money to other girls!
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[QUOTE=Dg8787;2148614]Of course money works here for you with the girls who don't have any. News flash, it works in other 3rd world countries, with those who don't have any. It doesn't work for you with people that have money.[/QUOTE]My pal still I have some difference in opinion with you.
Cambodia, Laos, Myanmar also have poverty. If we consider Asian zone even Vietnam or China have poverty in some extant. But you can check (I already did) in these places money don't work in support of immorality. If does sure high paid and never been worthy. Just because history of those country not same as Philippine. Still they live in their own value and culture.
Philippine was always been conquered by the European voyagers. That's why different parts of Philippine have different mind construction even languages too in some extant. Than Japan made a mess in 2nd world war than the western influences. All blended and made an unique mindset in Philippine. It's not only poverty its what not to be contended what they have. That's why even wives, if go outside for money that's no matter for their hubby / BF.
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[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2148619]All hot Pinay pudding tang is available for purchase. Social class only changes the price points, duration of negotiations, and degree of discretion required to close the deals.[/QUOTE]Correct explanation.
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[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2148587]Non-pro women of all nationalities, in all countries, want a man that they will be safe with, that will protect them and that will provide for them. [/QUOTE]Several pinays amused me showing their Skype, FB and whatsup conversations. And there was something interesting there. About 30 - 50 % of suitors from dating sites and FB are guys from India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka etc. How it comes, that they usually prefer fat old bald European or US guys over young good looking mongers from lets say Sri Lanka? Maybe they have perverted representation of physical beauty? Then why they don't choose old ugly Pinoys? The answer is simple: physical appearance is much less important for them, then your wealth. They are looking for money in the first place. They know that India or Pakistan are poor countries, so they are not interested in people, who are broke.
It has nothing to do with women from different countries who establish relationship based on traditional values. Of course stability is important for every woman, but the question is how they set their priorities. If money is most important thing for them, then they are WG as well. But if your personality is the key feature of the establishment of relationship, then they are normal women.
The problem with pinays is that they initially set wrong priorities. I mean, those priorities are wrong for us, but not for them. They want to live happy wealthy life and want to help their families. But if relationship is based on financial interest it never leads to happy end. Some people say, there are a lot of examples of happy marriages between pinays and westerners. But who say, they are really happy? If you willingly accept the rules of the game and you are willing to pay for the rest of your relationship lasts, then go on, but be aware, that for her it is just a deal and love will end as soon as you stop to give her, what she truly wants.
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The morality.
Example 1: It's my experience in Tashkant, Uzbekistan. In one night me and a local pal went to pay a visit a night club at Timur park. If m not wrong the name was "Napolian". We were in bar counter having our drinks than I feel a soft spark of touch in my hand. When I turn around my face I saw this cutie little champ smiling to me. So I invited her for drinks according to her choice. Immediately I fall on her and wanted to take her to hotel. We were taken to Mamasan; while we were negotiating a phone call came from my hotel, the hotel owner arranged a party and plenty of girls coming over there so we don't need to bring any girl with us. And we cancelled the deal. But the girl never leaved us; always moving around even for phone call I went out to avoid noise she never stopped. Going to wash room again and again, walking in front of me or coming by me flashing her diamonds to make me changing my mind. While we were sitting on table and sipping our drinks she came to us several times even pulling my hands at least I have to make a dance with her. There were several couples were dancing on dance floor, not my cup of tea, so I refused her every time.
Example 2: My DIA girl is from San Fernando, Pampanga, so we decided to meet at AC. It was two days plan but after one day she got a problem in home and went back. So I get One free day before I met my next contact in Manila. I m not a non sleeper in night so I decided I have to give a try for day time action. I went to my known venue the bar under the Perimeter Hotel, Perimeter Road. It's a day time bar for 10 am to 5 pm. A girl catch my eye dancing on the dance floor tall and well shaped. Once I get eye contact I called her and she joined with me in the bar counter. She asked lady drink and I oblige. Than she asked can she share her drink with her friend; I said NO, instead I offer a full drink for her friend too. While drinking with two girls I lost my chemistry and when they asked m I taking any of them I declined. Both girls ran out from me and Jumped on a new comer for new drinks. I came out from the bar seeing both girls highly busy with just arriving visitor and nothing to me.
All the girls in the examples are sex workers. But the Tashkent girl was very keen to give me a return since she had a drink from me. But the AC girls just forget few min before by whom they had their drinks and the commission too.
The moresal (thanks Westi): Here is the difference of morality of Phil girls with others. They are taker in any way no matter what after that.
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[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2148619]All hot Pinay pudding tang is available for purchase. Social class only changes the price points, duration of negotiations, and degree of discretion required to close the deals.[/QUOTE]Unless you have had enough money and to actually buy Pinay pudding tang in all social classes I will consider this conjecture. Please provide details, of course leave out the names to maintain discretion.
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[QUOTE=Tagalog2016;2148742]About 30 - 50 % of suitors from dating sites and FB are guys from India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka etc. How it comes, that they usually prefer fat old bald European or US guys over young good looking mongers from lets say Sri Lanka? [/QUOTE]What do you mean how it comes? It comes from the fat, old, bald European or US guys. Same as I posted a report in the Pattaya thread the other day about some (not one and not a couple) new Indian discos popped up here. I went and visited them and they were full of Thai women. Whereas before everyone would always talk about how Thai women do not like Indian guys. One guy responded to my post saying no they don't as if I had not seen this with my own eyes. And to top it off I went back last night! Met a chick that just left my room. And also to dispel the rumors of how cheap they are there is a thing where they can buy fake money for US $30 to throw all over some belly dancers that they have performing on the dance floor. Kind of like the ping pong ball thing except you are up there dancing around with some Russian chick(s).
Also I posted before about a chick in AC showing me her whatsapp where an Indian brother saying that he opened a bank account and next time he will just bring her the ATM card instead of continuing to send money western union.
Then another guy posted a report yesterday in the AC thread saying that he had spoken to a Korean guy in the club and come to find out girls are treating them the same way others that said Koreans are ruining the place are getting treated. So contrary to popular opinion it ain't all rosy on their side either.
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[QUOTE=MuaTur;2148646]My pal still I have some difference in opinion with you.
Cambodia, Laos, Myanmar also have poverty. If we consider Asian zone even Vietnam or China have poverty in some extant. But you can check (I already did) in these places money don't work in support of immorality. If does sure high paid and never been worthy. Just because history of those country not same as Philippine. Still they live in their own value and culture.
Philippine was always been conquered by the European voyagers. That's why different parts of Philippine have different mind construction even languages too in some extant. Than Japan made a mess in 2nd world war than the western influences. All blended and made an unique mindset in Philippine. It's not only poverty its what not to be contended what they have. That's why even wives, if go outside for money that's no matter for their hubby / BF.[/QUOTE]My friend, a few decades back both Vietnam and China were steep in poverty. Plenty of pussy at cheap prices then. As both countries economy grew and with less poverty came higher prices and less available pussy for sale.
It's about the poverty. Poverty is poor people. Poor people is no money. No money is no food. You have a full belly, try going a long period of time with an empty stomach! You might be selling your wife and daughters to feed the family. Possibly your bakla son's ass too.
Cambodia and Laos are still steep in poverty. Where are some mongers going to now?
In all my travels the only people who spout immorality are the ones with a full belly.
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[QUOTE=Dg8787;2149325]In all my travels the only people who spout immorality are the ones with a full belly.[/QUOTE]Now this needs to be the tagline in the Morality of Prostitution thread.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2149324]What do you mean how it comes? [/QUOTE]For Pinays fair skinned guy is a priori a rich dude. Same applies towards Korean and Japanese mongers. I agree, that there are exceptions when Indians are more wealthy, or at least they spend more at their Filipinas, but that is still uncommon.
So if to ask an average pinay, whom would she choose for "relationship": young good looking Pakistani, or fat old US guy, she would definitely choose a latter.
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[QUOTE=Dg8787;2149325]It's about the poverty. Poverty is poor people. Poor people is no money. No money is no food. You have a full belly, try going a long period of time with an empty stomach! You might be selling your wife and daughters to feed the family. Possibly your bakla son's ass too.[/QUOTE]If you are experienced like that I m not going to make a debate in this issue.
[QUOTE=Dg8787;2149325]Cambodia and Laos are still steep in poverty. Where are some mongers going to now?
In all my travels the only people who spout immorality are the ones with a full belly.[/QUOTE]Yes. Always there immoral peoples in any place regardless full belly or empty.
But the question is what is the percentage of peoples are keeping money on the top than any other things? In my experience Philippine is in the top. Even there are more Poverty effected places in the world but not interested to keep aside their moral value for money.
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Some thoughts regarding age and appearance of a monger
When we discuss non pro Filipina girls and how to treat them in the right way, we never mention such important thing as age and appearance of a monger.
Well, first thing first. It's all about money, and there shouldn't be any speculations about that. No matter how young and good looking guy you are, anyway even best girl hopes you will provide her in the long run, marry her, get her to your home country or whatever it could be, related with financial interest she could gain from you in future.
Still pinays are not robots, they are human beings, and such things as a physical and emotional empathy are not alien to them. It does matter, whether to spend a time with a good looking 30-40 yo monger, or with 65 yo fat old grey haired man with double chin and flabby butt, who is older than her grandpa.
The basic rule is, if you don't consider, you can have a success with relatively young woman in your home country, then most probably you look same unattractive for a foreign girl, for Filipina in particular. It's obvious, still some guys forget about that.
That's when all differences start to reveal. Someone says, he was successful and some girls from dating sites didn't mention money, while other reports, he had a hard time even to make an appointment, and those girls, who agree, were reluctant and demanded gifts and money right away.
Didn't you think, such behavior could be related with you as a person in the first place? That is why it is not totally correct to compare your experience with experience of your fellow mongers. Just try to assess yourself evenly before to pose as a playboy. Maybe it's worth to stick to P4 P exclusively, before to enroll to dating site and play "relationship" game.
Despite it was said many times already, I still want to add a word of warning for everybody. Long term relationship with Filipina is a trap both for young and old guys. Young guy can lose his vigilance in time, mixing up empathy, which Filipina can truly feel to him with genuine love. A possibility of material benefit will always prevail over feelings for Filipinas, and that is a reality. It will lead to bad consequences eventually.
For older guys, sweetness and slyness can also be misinterpret as love, or al least as a devotion for his kindness and generosity. Remember, that pinays never feel devotion. No matter how experienced and old a guy is, he can fall in love anyway and lose his head and thus to enable pinay to suck all money out of him.
Also some guys mix up definition of "middle class" in Philippines. They naively think, that if a girl is a call center operator, office worker, or clerk at bank, then she earns enough and thus is not interesting in money. Average salary for call center operator in Manila should be 15 - 20 K peso something which is equal to 280 - 380 USD. Cashier at bank earns around 30 K, which is equal to 570 USD. Sure thing it is not enough and they are always interested in your money.
The bottom line: Relatively short term relationship for free are possible, if you are a good looking young guy, or a good storyteller. If you are not, then don't expect it to differ from classic P4P relationship. Long term relationship is a trap and should be avoid at all costs, no matter who you are if you don't want to become a cash cow eventually.
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Use of Chat rooms in the Provinces
Continued from:
[QUOTE=Goferring;2147823]So, after being the flag waver for online P2 P I hit a snag when I arrived in Davao. Looking back I think I made two fundamental errors.
SNIP
Today continues with lunch with an ISG contributor and an afternoon Tinder drop in. We'll see. . . .
To be continued. . . [/QUOTE]So Tinder Girl actually showed up. She probably had he most underweight photos to date but also had really nice tits. So after another "good girl" diatribe she got down to business. Really good BBBJ and tea-bagging. I'm a small guy so she was too big to throw around the room in multiple positions but an active mish finished the day. On the way out she insisted on true taxi money only so was happy with 300 p.
Day3 was a lunch date off FilCupid and you gassed it: a no show! No great loss as I'd given up waiting for promised meeting times and was at a contributor's place anyway. Later in the day I received a profound apology text saying she had fallen asleep after being kept up by her sick kid. I'm guessing that her time online all day with FC was speaking with a doctor? ? ? She promised and pleaded that she would drop around that night. I said "whatever, be here at 6 o'clock".
The contributor texted and asked of I would like to see a local KTV. I'm a KTV virgin so it seemed the ideal educational experience to me. I messaged the returning no show that I was going out for early drinks and I would text her again when we were back. She gave promises that she would be ok with returning after I had finished. ET KTV had big rooms, knock out girls (see the Photo Gallery), and 750 p ladies drinks. Apparently I also over paid for the girl at 3000 p ST but no great surprise as I had "Newbie" stamped all over my forehead. Regardless, I had a great time.
I texted the all nighter to say we had finished and I was on the way home. Her reply: "It's too late, can't get a taxi" at 9:00 pm! Aaaargh!!
I then messaged the 3 am girl. I was way to spent to do anything after mega-tits at the KTV but having someone already there to solve the following morning's wood seemed like a good idea. No answer.
Day4. 3 am girl was still sick in bed so I woke up alone. I had triple booked lunch so I was hopeful that something eventuates from that. 11 am for a nice call center chick just off work, 3 pm a little spinner fall back plan, 3 am girl for the afternoon and night if all turns to shit. Call center girl slept in after a big night on the phones. About 2 pm I got a hit from a cute spinner, "I'm just around the corner, should I come now? That was cutting it fine for the 3 pm but "a bird in the hand" and the pizz poor on time history of others made me say yes. I was starving so lunch was at an eatery nearbye and then up to the room. Suddenly she was not comfortable that I've seen other girls, did not want to get pregnant, yada yada yada. She left with no requests or offers of cash. Technically, I was down 400 p for her meal. While this was going on, I was not checking messages and sure enough the 3 pm spinner had actually arrived. She had left me a string of "where are you" then "fuck you" messages and then she blocked me from her account. Fuck!! She was the hot fish that got away. . .
I was so pissed, I flooded the chat rooms with "do you want to come over here now?" messages and I was bombarded with "Sure, what time?" replies. I parlayed that into one driving in that night for potentially an all nighter, a call center girl at 11 am, a new looker at 1 pm and a croupier at 7 pm.
So the supposed all all nighter turned up and was truly horrific. When it was clear that nothing was going to happen she introduced me to her friend from work, a Muslim Zamboangan girl who was clearly mortified at seeing a white guy. I cut both loose and returned to the room. A quick call to the 3 am girl found her still in bed with the flu.
Day 4 started and the call center girlie showed up. Yeah! And she was HOT. A slim little body struggled to support some 34 DDs. A barely there dress failed at conceiling anything. We had a light breakfast before we headed back to the room. The "good girl" sales pitch was replaced with "Before the call center, I worked at KTVs in Manila and Cebu, a foreigner bar in Korea and as a foreigner "tourguide" and "My American fiance is a dick because he won't let me go out and party with my girlfriends" etc, etc, etc. This girl has been AROUND. After the past few days' dramas, this made me horny as fuck. Some small talk about getting hammered in Angeles quickly led to power DFK. Tits were spilled and they were glorious! "Let's get your dress off" led to. . . "I'm not going to fuck you on the first meeting". . . . Aaaaargh! Are you fucking serious? I leave tomorrow! . . . . And she left with, "But I'll be back tonight". Of course, I thought this was total bullshit, I had just had the ultimate prick tease and there was no way in hell that she intended to come back. I was literally pacing the hotel room with frustration.
3 am girl texted that her cold is better. I was thinking "who the fuck cares?" But I had calmed down enough to reply that maybe she could come around tonight. This was to leave enough room for the other two appointment should the miraculous happen and they actually turn up.
Ms. 1 pm was indeed outside the hotel dead on time and then called me up to announce her arrival. Somehow she had managed to dial the wrong number, got another pina and assumed it was my wife or GF. She sent me a stream of abuse that would make a sailor blush about inviting her out while I was with another girl before I assured her that I was the only one in the room and she had dialled a wrong number. When I was in the taxi I saw that she was another looker and we went off to lunch. By this time all the mental games had fried my head so I was just happy to have a good lunch with a pretty girl. She actually held a pretty good conversation as well so that made it all the better. At the end of the meal she went shopping and I went back and crashed.
When I arrived back I received a call from the croupier saying that her friends wanted to come out as well to our 7 pm date. I wasn't interested in feeding a bunch of free loaders so I said that one girlfriend is ok but if there are more it would be better if she enjoyed the night with them and we could see each other next time.
Needless to say, the call center girlie never showed though I still live in hope. Maybe she just lost her phone. . . LOL. A few texts to 3 am. Girl found that things were in deed looking better. She was feeling much better. She still desperately wanted to see me. She would be around at 9 pm to wish me safe travels. . . And she was a no show.
All up, I certainly enjoyed Davao. Chat rooms work in a different way in the Provinces.
Planning and hitting the rooms early was a complete failure and actually worked against me. Similarly, going for the lookers and expecting immediate results was ludicrous.
What I should have done was waited until I was in town before making contact, allow time for some introductory dates and stay an extra couple of days to allow finding the right girls. There is certainly an abundance of straight acting girls that will jump in bed but need a date or two to convince themselves, their friends and the punters that they are indeed "good girls". I don't think it was a coincidence that my (only. ?) smooth day was the last one before leaving. Now that I have done the ground work, I have a few numbers that I would happily contact again but it took a lot of effort to get those.
Having local knowledge was invaluable. So many thanks to contributors and their friends who assisted in my stay. I would definitely recommend doing a lot of research and getting as much on-the-ground Intel has possible before arrival.
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Exam cozts
Do Philippine college exams have costs to sit?
It's a big exam week in Cebu and the Chat rooms are flooded with 18 to 22 year olds. A coincidence or not?
Beware that a number are also "turning" 18 in a couple of months too.
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They have been turning 18 for the last two decades.
[QUOTE=Goferring;2150493]Do Philippine college exams have costs to sit?
It's a big exam week in Cebu and the Chat rooms are flooded with 18 to 22 year olds. A coincidence or not?
Beware that a number are also "turning" 18 in a couple of months too.[/QUOTE]Not really, unless it is a national board exam. However, tuition must be paid otherwise the school will not allow them to sit mid-term and final exams. The girls in the chatroom during exam week are more likely to be scammers rather than real students. The internet scammers tailor their hard luck stories to coincide with actual happenings such as exam week, natural disasters, and rebel attacks. They know their marks will google their stories and find news reports covering the events, making their alleged personal crisis appear somewhat possible.
Besides, if a girl is busy using her last few pesos to work the chatroom instead of studying for the exams, she has already failed. Save your money for a sure shag, as you will get no return on wiring it to dubious internet students. Many of those students are 40 years old, and have less than three teeth left.
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[QUOTE=Goferring;2150493]Do Philippine college exams have costs to sit?
It's a big exam week in Cebu and the Chat rooms are flooded with 18 to 22 year olds. A coincidence or not?
Beware that a number are also "turning" 18 in a couple of months too.[/QUOTE]Yes, many have to pay exams on top. I have questioned before that they pay fees so why exams but IMHO many 'colleges' are more money making rather than true education giving (well is HRM and Tourism really a quality degree? So now is exam time over the next few weeks and this will be a worry for many.
Have fun G (I know you are LOL).
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What's this?
Lots of girls have this in their photos?
Am I correct it's a sign that they will need some paper to pass through their fingers?
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How to get laid for free, meeting girls via dating sites. Practical guide.
Actually it's quite simple to get laid for free meeting girls via dating sites. It is much more fascinating process, comparing with classic P4P, and it is twice as much rewarding, taking into account that sex is based on empathy, at least from her side.
Some basic conditions to get laid for free:
1. You should be relatively young and good looking guy. Unfortunately if you are an old fart, you can pose as a playboy only in exchange of money.
2. You should be quite good storyteller. Not that you must lie, but still you should make her feel, you are quite serious about her. It doesn't mean, that you should lie that you will marry her. Not that. Just make an impression, that you are genuinely interested in her as a woman, that you like her. Don't promise anything though. Never ever mention sex during your virtual conversations. Just like it doesn't matter for you at all. For all Filipinas sex is a part of their daily life, so it is took for granted, that if you are BF and GF you will get laid.
3. If you want to have short term relationship for free, you should convince your proposed GF, that you are on a tight budget. Details will follow below, but now I want to stress, that even if you can afford more luxurious mode of traveling, you should better stick to low end hotels, meals, public transport etc. Anyway you seem a rich dude for her, but when you flash your money here and there, it's impossible to explain your pinay, why don't you want to share your wealth with her. Imagine, you stay at $ 100 worth hotel, dine and wine her at high end restaurants etc. Money you spend daily might be monthly budget for her, so sure thing you seem a millionaire and her inborn itch for money will come out sooner, than expected.
4. To get laid for free with no pro girl always requires much more time and efforts, comparing with P4 P. You should invest a lot of time beforehand to choose right candidates, you should instill in their minds, that you are a serious guy, who likes them, not just a monger. Also it may require some more time on the ground to get laid. Ideally you should allow some 3-5 days for each girl. You should be realistic and within 2 weeks you barely can fuck more than 3-4 "good" girls, who pretend they are in a relationship with you. Ideally you should go to extended 2-3 months holiday to be more flexible and to be able to fuck at least 10-15 girls.
Now how to choose a right candidate on a dating site:
1. Unlike most guys on here, who suggest to enroll in dating site just few days before your intended arrival, or even right on the spot, I would suggest the opposite. Enroll in there 2-3 months before your trip. As better you get to know your girls, as less chances things will go wrong. Still I want to note, that despite how well prepared you are in advance, it is inevitable, that some of your candidates are a wrong choice. That's life, and virtual communication will never substitute live communication. Some fishy things about them could come out only after you meet in real life. That is why your goal is to date more candidates, than you intend to meet, to have a back ups if any.
The other reason to enroll so early in advance is to separate girls, who want to be paid immediately after sex. As a rule, they don't want to waste their time chatting someone, who will come in few months, since they need cash right now. And opposite, girls who claim, they want long term relationship, want to get to know their proposed cash cow in advance.
2. Don't choose super star models. According to my experience, all they are fakes, or they are not interested in short term relationship for free.
Don't choose 18-20 yo girls. They are unreliable and are more interesting to chat, but as soon as it comes to real meeting, they can be not ready for that.
Don't choose single moms. As soon as they have children, but don't have a husband, they become a second best for pinoys. They are fucked by locals of course, but few Filipinos are willing to take responsibility for her children and to provide them. That is why typical single mum desperately needs money. She can be a good candidate for non pro P4P, but definitely she doesn't fit for guys, who don't want to spend money for pinays.
Don't choose women over 28-30. If they don't have children by that age, then something is fishy there. They are sophisticated liars and cheaters, and that is where you are likely to discover in a year or more, that in fact she has Filipino husband plus several other fair skinned sponsors, or other unpleasant sh#t.
Your goal is 22-27 yo girls. Choose among them.
3. 100% of girls in Philippines, who have access to internet have skype / whatsup / viber or other apps, which enable video calls. 100 % of Pnays have FB. If a girl claims she doesn't have skype and FB move on immediately. Don't waste your time. Skype her to make sure she is a one she claims to be. It is always a rad flag, when a girl says, she can skype you just certain time, certain days. Try to make video call without notice. If she is outside her work / school, she always should be able to skype you. If not, then something is fishy there, and you should move on without regrets.
4. If you feel she is reluctant talking to you, move on. You are not on a dating site to court or entertain someone. Choose just those girls, who seem genuinely interested in talking to you.
5. If a girl mentions money or gifts, move on immediately. Some pinays are more sly and they never ask directly. Instead they can tell you about their hardships. Some good natured, naive men offer them help by themselves, and that is what they expect you to do. Other common scams include.
- to tell you, their phone is broken, and they can't communicate with you anymore;.
- to tell you, their mama / papa / sister / brother needs immediate emergency medication.
- to tell you, they urgently need to repay their debt. They may also tell, they will repay you soon.
- to tell you, they urgently need to pay bills.
Always move on. If she mentioned money on the initial stage of your acquaintance, she will do that again and again.
6. As soon as you got to know each other a little bit, tell her, that you want to come to Philippines on holiday / by work and you have 3-5 days to meet her. Never tell your real length of the trip. Be straightforward right away and tell, that you have very limited budget, let's say 2000-3000 p per day, including accommodation, meals and everything. You can't afford to give her presents, but still you want to see her and to spend your holiday (3-5 days) with her, since you like her. If she is ok with that, then she might be right candidate to get laid for free. But not necessary (details will follow below).
7. The widest choice of girls is in Manila and Cebu, so if you want to go to some remote parts of the country, it could be a good idea to take a girl from Manila or Cebu with you. Still it depends on your destination. Let's say If you want to go to Mindanao (CDO area for waterfalls, or Davao / Samal, which are relatively safe), then it's better to find a local candidate from Mindanao to travel with you, than to bring pinay from Manila. Tell them your travel plans, and agree with her your dates in advance, so that they take leave for these days. If you are in Manila, sometimes you should try 3-4 candidates on the spot, to make a final decision, whom with to go to a certain place, but anyway all of them should be ready in advance to follow you. Be quite straightforward regarding your budget. Tell them in advance how much are you going to spend while traveling, to reduce the chances they will demand for presents. Always say you are on a tight budget. Don't be afraid to travel as locals do, even if you can afford more. It's adventurous. Mostly Filipinas enjoy traveling itself, so they are not choosy and demanding at all, providing you made it clear from the beginning regarding your budget.
When you are on the ground, you can encounter some first-timer common scams:
1. A girl tells you, that she doesn't have money to come to your meeting place, and asks you to cover her transportation expenses. They can think out ridiculously expensive taxi / bus / jeepney fares, which don't exist, thinking you don't know the real prices for local transport. So it is wise to make it clear on the stage of your virtual communication, regarding this matter. Ask her, where does she live, and where it will be convenient for her to meet up. Let her know, that you are willing to pay for transport when you are together already, but she must come at her own expenses.
2. A girl takes along her aunts / sisters / friends on the first meeting. The reason is to eat for free at the expenses of a foreigner. Again, make it clear in advance, you are not going to feed anyone at your expenses and ask her to show up alone. Anyway for a first appointment it's better to stick to low end eatery to reduce possible damage. There might be other versions of this scam. Let's say you are going to club, and she invites her friends, which supposed to be wined and dined at your expense. If you chose to travel somewhere, a girl might say her cousin / sister wants to join you. Make it clear you want to be together without her relatives and you will never compensate any expenses to them.
3. A girl asks to buy her some presents. If she is not after money (all they are after that though), then the biggest present for her is you. You can take some trifles from your home country as a presents.
If a girl acts like that at the first step, move on immediately (maybe allow yourself to fuck her once. Twice on that day before to move on). She will demand for more in future and it will become annoying.
When you met your girl, and she seems a decent one at first glance, please don't go with her to your hotel right away. Ask her to show you interesting places in her city / area, walk with her, talk to her. You should create a seeming of relationship. As practice shows 80% are ready to get laid on the first date, still some girls require 1-2 days to court them before they are brave enough to suck your cock. You should consider this possible situation in advance.
Another common annoying situation is when they want to introduce you to her family. They mean nothing with that, and some probably just want you to feed her family for free this way.
Anyway, if you play relationship game, you have no valid reasons to avoid meeting her family. So you should go. Prepare to stay for a night at their house, which might be real experience for someone, who is get used to comfort. There might be no water at her place, and you will be put at a room, where 4-6 other family members sleep as well.
Before to go, never buy any food for them. If they invited you, then it's their responsibility to feed you. Actually the only thing they expect from you to buy is some booze. Always buy local cheap booze, which they are used to, such as Tanduay, or if you are not a hard drinker, then Red Horse will do as well.
Usually it is very boring to sit at her house among her relatives, as you don't have any common with them to talk about. Remember, that the meeting with you for her relatives means nothing more, than a possibility to establish a contact with "rich" guy, who can lend them money in future, which they never repay.
When you travel with pinay on a budget, surprisingly you could find out she will try to save your money. She will bargain for you, tell you what is considered expensive, advice which mode of transport to take to save etc. She can behave like a genuine lover and possibly she can feel true affection to you on that stage. Even though you can have a great GFE, please don't lose your head and stay vigilant all the time. For details read below.
It is also possible, that you would regret, you took her to the other part of Philippines, if you suddenly find out, she irritates you with her habits. That is somewhat hit or miss, so you should be prepared for such developments. I advice to bring a girl along, if you feel emotional affection to her, not just physical.
When the time comes to leave her and to switch to other GF, you should make sure, a girl thinks your holiday is finished and you are going back to your home country, or you have a work at other part of Philippines. Actually it is very common in Philippines, when locals go on holiday somewhere just for 3-5 days. The reason is, it's expensive, so they try to cut the expenses as much as possible cutting a number of days to spend on vacation.
It's better to block her phone number for a while after you move on, so that she won't spoil remains of your holiday with annoying messages about love etc. Plus future girl can become jealous, if she will notice someone texts you every now and then.
Someone could think, that if a girl doesn't ask for money, then maybe she is genuine good girl? It is not like that. There is a huge difference between short term and long term relationship. In the long run all they want you to provide them, while they can accept the rules of your game on a short term basis.
When you spend just relatively short time with each girl, it doesn't matter for you, whether she has pinoy BF or husband, or westerners whom she cheats, or meets for fucking in exchange for money. If she doesn't ask money from you, then all other circumstances don't matter. But definitely it does matter a lot, if you have long term relationship and when you fell in love with her.
Some possible developments when you are back home already and unblocked her number:
1. She says, she fell in love and she wants more serious relationship with you. Ignore this BS, as it will never finish with happy end.
2. She says, she enjoyed the time, she spent with you and she would want to repeat it again. If so, then you can maintain a "friendship" with her.
3. She says, she got pregnant and demands money for future baby or for abortion (which is illegal in Philippines). Usually it is a scam, so just ignore this BS. That is an example how a good girl could turn into bad one in time.
4. You become pals and in time you forget about her. But suddenly she appears out of nowhere and asks you USD 500 for her grandma funeral or something like that. Sometimes it happens like that as well. Ignore.
The rhetorical question is what is better: to meet P4P girls for sex, or to play relationship games. Actually both modes have its advantages and disadvantages and there is no clear answer on that. Someone could say, to play in love is more cynical, but I disagree. You give a girl your conditions in advance and it is her deliberate choice, whether to accept it or not. Also it is mistake to think they are good girls, just because they pretend to look so. Anyway everyone decides for himself.
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[QUOTE=Goferring;2150493]Do Philippine college exams have costs to sit?
It's a big exam week in Cebu and the Chat rooms are flooded with 18 to 22 year olds. A coincidence or not?
Beware that a number are also "turning" 18 in a couple of months too.[/QUOTE]Students who are not current with tuition payments, or since this is the end of the academic year, who have not fully paid their fees, are not permitted to sit for their exams. It's the same for private high schools. So, it's not a coincidence.
GE.
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[QUOTE=XMan;2152436]You really come up with some great stuff. You ought to write a book.[/QUOTE]That would be great because it would mean he doesn't have time anymore to post on this forum.
We can do without his populistic, negative, exaggerated stories with lots of sweeping generalizations.
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[QUOTE=Goferring;2150621]Lots of girls have this in their photos?
Am I correct it's a sign that they will need some paper to pass through their fingers?[/QUOTE]Yes, you are correct.
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[QUOTE=Tagalog2016;2150638]Actually it's quite simple to get laid for free meeting girls via dating sites. It is much more fascinating process, comparing with classic P4P, and it is twice as much rewarding, taking into account that sex is based on empathy, at least from her side.
Some basic conditions to get laid for free:
1. You should be relatively young and good looking guy. Unfortunately if you are an old fart, you can pose as a playboy only in exchange of money.
[/QUOTE]I'm an old fart and I can assure you my 'friend' that there's no need to be young and good looking to do what you are doing: taking advantage of poor girls who are dreaming of a better life.
Any man, no matter his age or looks, can easily get laid for free in the Phils by pretending he's genuinely interested in a girl. But a REAL man doesn't do that. You are pathetic mate.
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Ridicules.
[QUOTE=Tagalog2016;2150638]Actually it's quite simple to get laid for free meeting girls via dating sites. It is much more fascinating process, comparing with classic P4P, and it is twice as much rewarding, taking into account that sex is based on empathy, at least from her side.
Some basic conditions to get laid for free:[/QUOTE]Can you explain what mean by get laid for free? In what extent?
You will not find the girls in any Dating Site came from privileged society. The girls we meet in dating sites are deprived, poor or abounded with or without kids. They are needy and seekers of support from the privileged persons like you.
If you can buy a ticket, pay bills for hotels and food and you arrived in Philippine to bang deprived and needy girls than why you don't want to pay a little that can be a little support to their needs? You made a long Essay how to bang a deprived poor girl. But I can confirm you that the girl arrived in your hotel paying taxi bill in hope that when she get back she will have some more for might be for her hungry kids or for the medicine for her sick parents.
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[QUOTE=Mogwai;2152636]I'm an old fart and I can assure you my 'friend' that there's no need to be young and good looking to do what you are doing: taking advantage of poor girls who are dreaming of a better life.
Any man, no matter his age or looks, can easily get laid for free in the Phils by pretending he's genuinely interested in a girl. But a REAL man doesn't do that. You are pathetic mate.[/QUOTE]May I know your definition of a "real" man, please?
There are just 3 options available in Philippines:
1. P4P. You pay prostitutes for sex. No relationship should be involved in here.
2. You fuck so called "good" girls. You let her to take advantage of you, and she gains financial profit from your side.
3. You fuck so called "good" girls. You don't let her to scam you.
No other options exist in Philippines. If you think, that I take advantage of girls, just because I don't let them milk me, then I am speechless! Normal relationship, based on physical or emotional empathy shouldn't involve money. If they genuinely like me, then they should enjoy my presence. If they are sly and endure me just hoping to win a jackpot in future, then that are their problems solely.
As for me, I never meet girls, if I don't like them. I would better jerk off or fuck a prostitute, than to spend a time with a one, whom I am not interested in.
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[QUOTE=Tagalog2016;2152664]As for me, I never meet girls, if I don't like them. I would better jerk off or fuck a prostitute, than to spend a time with a one, whom I am not interested in.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Tagalog2016;2150638]"Actually it's quite simple to get laid for free meeting girls via dating sites. It is much more fascinating process, comparing with classic P4P, and it is twice as much rewarding, taking into account that sex is based on empathy, at least from her side."
"You should be quite good storyteller. Not that you must lie, but still you should make her feel, you are quite serious about her."
"If you want to have short term relationship for free, you should convince your proposed GF, that you are on a tight budget."
"The rhetorical question is what is better: to meet P4P girls for sex, or to play relationship games. "[/QUOTE]Tagalog, you are just a fucking lier. I think that it turn you on to take advantage of poor people. You make the world a worse place.
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[QUOTE=Tagalog2016;2152664]
If you think, that I take advantage of girls, just because I don't let them milk me, then I am speechless! Normal relationship, based on physical or emotional empathy shouldn't involve money. [/QUOTE]You take advantage of them not because you don't let them milk you but because you don't give them any money at all. I don't let the girls milk me either but I pay them a fair price for sex.
Normal relationships shouldn't indeed involve money, but a normal relationship is not what you're after. All you want is bang them for free and then move on to the next after a while.
You are very negative about Pinays, saying they are all liars and cheaters, but look at yourself mate. You are even worse.
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[QUOTE=Mogwai;2152775]You take advantage of them not because you don't let them milk you but because you don't give them any money at all. I don't let the girls milk me either but I pay them a fair price for sex.
Normal relationships shouldn't indeed involve money, but a normal relationship is not what you're after. All you want is bang them for free and then move on to the next after a while.
You are very negative about Pinays, saying they are all liars and cheaters, but look at yourself mate. You are even worse.[/QUOTE]Come on, you seem to be into P4P for too long to forget, that sex is just a part of daily life for all adults in the world. If both male and female seem attractive one to each other they get laid. No money should be involved whatsoever, if it is not P4P.
When you pay non pro pinay for sex, you teach her that she can use her bilat (pussy) to extract money from foolish foreigners. Filipinas are not get used to that since childhood, because they fuck with pinoys for free, and it is not a big deal for them. If they feel urge, they fuck. Simple as that. So what a hell, you deprive them, teaching that sex is something that fair skinned guys should pay for? That is absolute nonsense!
You can track the analogy if you pay your attention to behavior of poor people in different parts of the world, even within a single country. Let's say Halmahera island in Indonesia, which receives 300 foreign visitors per year. People are happy to drive you by ojek (motorbike) for free wherever you want to, just to shake your hand. A stranger can invite you for a lunch in his house just out of curiosity, because he is not spoiled by tourists, who are used to pay for everything. And let's compare them with people in Wamena in West Papua province in Indonesia, who demand money for everything, including photo. I assume some westerner idiots offered them money once, which made them think, they can gain a profit from tourists. Everywhere is like that. Extremely poor people in the border of Uganda and DRC invite you to share their meals for free, while Himba tribe in Namibia requires you to pay fee to enter their village to take a look at their naked tits. Namibia experiences tourist boom, while not so many people visit some remote parts of Uganda. See the difference? Let's take a pauper fisherman from Dhofar region in Oman, who rejects money for his fish, since you are his guest, and trike driver from New Delhi in India on the other hand, who is desperate to fuck you over, even if you agreed the fare in advance. I can give you examples endlessly.
Now let's switch back to pinays. When you offer them money for something, which is not ought to be paid, you spoil them. I assume, you are an American guy, so I somewhat can understand, why you act with women like that. But I am from outside of US, so just try to extend your mentality to understand, that in some countries sex means not more than just sex and you shouldn't desperately court, chase and pay someone to get laid, given both of you feel mutual physical affection.
I don't fool anyone. I warn them in advance, that I won't give them any money in any mode. If they are willing to accept my conditions, then we meet up. Sex is just something which happens naturally. If some girls are too sly to think, they can screw me in long term perspective, then I don't give a fuck with that. It is their problems, as I never promise anything. I dare to say, that many girls feel genuine affection towards me. Although sooner or later itch for money will always win over other feelings. That is why I never advise long term relationship with Filipinas.
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[QUOTE=Tagalog2016;2152907]
Now let's switch back to pinays. When you offer them money for something, which is not ought to be paid, you spoil them. I assume, you are an American guy, so I somewhat can understand, why you act with women like that. But I am from outside of US, so just try to extend your mentality to understand, that in some countries sex means not more than just sex and you shouldn't desperately court, chase and pay someone to get laid, given both of you feel mutual physical affection.
I don't fool anyone. I warn them in advance, that I won't give them any money in any mode. If they are willing to accept my conditions, then we meet up. Sex is just something which happens naturally. If some girls are too sly to think, they can screw me in long term perspective, then I don't give a fuck with that. It is their problems, as I never promise anything. I dare to say, that many girls feel genuine affection towards me. Although sooner or later itch for money will always win over other feelings. That is why I never advise long term relationship with Filipinas.[/QUOTE]I'm Dutch, not American, and I know that in some countries sex means nothing more than just sex. Even in my own country (sometimes anyway).
There is one important factor that you have left out, and that is the fact that you and these girls are not on an equivalent basis. You are rich (compared to them anyway) and they are generally poor. I'm assuming anyway that most of the time you're not screwing rich Pinays with a good job who are able to support themselves and their families, because most of these girls won't be interested in you and don't want to be seen with a foreigner at all.
So that leaves you with the poor girls and I can assure you that, even though some of them might feel genuine affection towards you, the majority of them is not screwing you because they like you so much but only because they are hoping for a serious relation and a ticket to paradise. And the fact that you warn them in advance that you won't give them any money, will only encourage them to think you are serious and don't consider them as P4 P.
It would be different if you were chasing free pussy in your own country, where the girls are equally wealthy as you and able to support themselves. I suppose anyway you are from such a country.
But the Phils is a different play ground where you and most of the girls are not equal.
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[QUOTE=Mogwai;2153149] I can assure you that, even though some of them might feel genuine affection towards you, the majority of them is not screwing you because they like you so much but only because they are hoping for a serious relation and a ticket to paradise.[/QUOTE]I agree with you on this 100%. I am very down to earth guy, and I don't believe in fairy tales.
But let's reveal the meaning of "serious relationship" for pinays. It differs from Dutch definition of this phrase.
For them it means to leech off you. That is a big fortune for all her family as well, since foreigner is supposed to provide all lazybones relatives, who don't want to work either. Definitely it can be called a ticket to Paradise for them. LOL.
Filipinas are consumers by nature. They don't like to give, but they enjoy to receive. It become visible in time, when they are get used to new circumstances and new state of affairs. Sooner or later it become unilateral relationship. I even don't mention, that many of them are prone to cheat which can turn "serious relationship" to hell for a foreigner.
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[QUOTE=Goferring;2150621]Lots of girls have this in their photos?
Am I correct it's a sign that they will need some paper to pass through their fingers?[/QUOTE]Its a small symbol heart.
Some sort of Korean influence.
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[QUOTE=IgoforAsian;2147781]Hey guys,
Guys, have any of you heard of such story? How likely do you think this could be true? I don't really see any motive for her to lie, because it would not really affect her relationship with me in either positive or negative way (at least as far as I can see).
I would appreciate your considered opinions.[/QUOTE]Hooked up with a girl who was ripped off p35,000 by her Aussie BF. Told her he had a fish farm in the provinces. Oh no! An emergency. Pump is broken. Fish will die. Can't access his money. Girl gives him money to repair it and he disappears. On the upside, no beating or camping.
Is it credible? I've met her three times now and she hasn't put any squeeze on me for a financial problem caused by the ex, and if she does that'll be the end of that. She's as credible as any other girl who I found on the dating sites and agreed to come over to my place for the first meeting to have sex and who I now have spent about 12 hours of my life with. Which means, they're all over the place. Some prove themselves to be wonderful and others, but not too many *knock wood*, are scammers. And I haven't even mentioned the average mediocre ones.
Ultimately... who knows? Just establish some rules in mind to have at the ready if the request comes. It'll start with: "Can I ask you a question?" Losing a girl here is really no big deal. Que sera and all that.
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Serious relationship means serious trouble.
[QUOTE=Tagalog2016;2153173]I agree with you on this 100%. I am very down to earth guy, and I don't believe in fairy tales.
But let's reveal the meaning of "serious relationship" for pinays. It differs from Dutch definition of this phrase.
For them it means to leech off you. That is a big fortune for all her family as well, since foreigner is supposed to provide all lazybones relatives, who don't want to work either. Definitely it can be called a ticket to Paradise for them. LOL.
Filipinas are consumers by nature..[/QUOTE]Tagalog2016 quite true! "Serious relationship" means the foreigner will pay big time supporting the entire extended family until he dies or runs out of money and, his Pinay replaces him with a wealthier man. "Serious relationship" is seriously expensive for the foreigner, as one day she will say, "I have serious problem. Mama need heart surgery to save her life and I need you to pay that!
"Serious relationship" is what you the foreigner must do, as in remaining faithful and supporting her. You must prove that you are serious by purchasing house, land, automobile, and business in her name. Meanwhile, she fucks the "no relationship" fellas for a couple thousand pesos or free in cases where the serious fella provides regular cash and she works for a salary. In the return, the serious fella receives every escalating demands for cash and goods. He will hear about how much more cash and goodies other serious men are providing their Pinay and her family. Many foreigners in "serious relationship" experience stress decide to break up, leave with the cash, and sell the property.
Right around this time the foreigner will catch a serious bullet to the head in an unexplained robbery in a public place, the girlfriend / wife will not suffer any harm. Another common result of a serious relationship is the Pinay forgets to lock the door at night and the robbers get in and bash her foreigner's head in like an egg. Of course, the murderous robbers tie her up and leave her without a scratch on her body and unmolested in any way. She will manage to free herself and call the police after they make their getaway.
The fellas insisting everyone must pay for fuck are just kidding themselves if they think the girls make young handsome foreigners pay for fucks. The girls fuck the young handsome studs free, and they make the others pay because they are old, fat, bald, or crippled. This is not anything different from what college girls do on the "sugar-daddy" websites in the USA. In the same way mongers distinguish between pros and non-pros, the Pinays distinguish between "serious relationship" walking-ATM fellas and fun to fuck young foreign stud.
Anyone who is familiar with Pinays know the rule of the "Four M's" translated loosely as old rich and ready to die.
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I might be completely wrong, but I always assumed his exaggeration and satire were meant to be taken with a grain of salt. Am I the only one who thinks it's funny? I like reading the Borowitz report in the New Yorker, as well.
But point taken, newcomers may get some really wrong ideas about the Philippines if they take CM too literally.
[QUOTE=Mogwai;2152628]That would be great because it would mean he doesn't have time anymore to post on this forum.
We can do without his populistic, negative, exaggerated stories with lots of sweeping generalizations.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Tagalog2016;2153173]
For them it means to leech off you.
SNIP
Filipinas are consumers by nature. They don't like to give, but they enjoy to receive.[/QUOTE]
Look who's talking!
You are just trying to justify your own bad behavior by pointing out how bad Pinays are.
And meanwhile you are ignoring the rest of my post where I say that you and these girls are not on an equivalent basis.
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[QUOTE=XMan;2153383]I might be completely wrong, but I always assumed his exaggeration and satire were meant to be taken with a grain of salt. Am I the only one who thinks it's funny? I like reading the Borowitz report in the New Yorker, as well.
But point taken, newcomers may get some really wrong ideas about the Philippines if they take CM too literally.[/QUOTE]No, you're not the only one who thinks he's funny. More guys have said that. And quite often guys say how spot on his stories are. And most of the time they are senior members and not newcomers.
To be honest with you: I too think he is funny and spot on sometimes. But only sometimes.
However I think his exaggeration, satire and generalizations are not meant to be taken with a grain of salt, because he's writing about the SAME subjects in the SAME way OVER AND OVER again. It's really annoying. He's repeating himself all the time and he's doing that without any nuances or tongue-in-cheek. So actually I think he's dead serious.
And he is so negative about Pinays and the Phils in general that I really wonder why on earth he is still living there.
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Use of the different Chat platforms in Cebu
I've included this report in the Chat Rooms forum as it describes how I bounced between the various apps in Cebu and the results I achieved. The vast majority of the time I relied on three platforms:
Tinder: probably a 50/50 split between purely commercial and "good" girls. Some of the working girls were exceptionally good looking but priced themselves accordingly. Lots of Trans but they were upfront and not out to surprise. The girls here have an attention span of 3 minutes. If you don't get their number and a date within that time, they will be gone and never reply to further messages. A big advantage to Tinder was that to a large extent "what you saw was what you got" where as with the other apps expect at least at least a 2/10 drop in hotness due to old photos, creative angles or on point makeup. Tinder also gave me my one and only rejection due to my preference to go bare.
PinaLove: the more likely of the two dating apps to offer girls ready to be available at short notice for a fee. However, depending on the time of day, sometimes it had a very limited number of profiles online.
FilipinoCupic: on average had more "nice" girls. However, still many available at short notice or no-questions-asked. The larger number of active and online profiles also increased the likelyhood of finding a suitable date.
Arriving in town during exam month was hugely beneficial as there were many new and part time profiles and girls with fees to pay.
I've also included a couple of girls that were referred to me by others as they were similar to the Chat Rooms in that they were accepted essentially sight unseen.
Note that in all cases I had abandoned the method of planning I used in Davao and returned to the tried and true, making contact once I was actually in town. I've already detailed that MO in another earlier.
Like my last time in Cebu, all the platforms proved easy to use and productuve. Each delivered opportunities slightly different to the other.
Day 1 in Cebu. Still in Davao, I messaged a contact kindly provided by another Subscriber. I let her know that I was on my way and asked was she ok to meet that night. She replied that all was good and she would be able to head my way at 11 pm and stay the night. The flight was uneventful and I arrived at the Quest Hotel too early to go straight to my room. A lazy lunch and a look around Ayala allowed them time to make up the room and then I moved in. The afternoon was spent just resting. A few Tinder and FilCupid hits suggested dropping around but I wanted to pace myself for that evening. At 10:59 pm I received a message saying that she was on her way and she suggested coming straight to the room. Obviously, I was fine with that. A couple of minutes later she arrived. Holy Shit!! I received some profile pics earlier but they were not fair warning. In the flesh, she was incredible: max 5'0", maybe 75 lb and stacked with DDs. She was standing there in leggings and a sports bra, dripping with sweat, having come straight from 4 hours of dance rehearsals. I was already harder than Chinese Calculus. She requested a shower where I valiantly helped her out of her clothes and tongue bathed every crevice. In bed those tits made great play pads and we had several sessions. All positions were catered for and she had a mouse's ear that tasted heavenly. In the morning we had another playful session and she left with 3 k taxi money and promises that she would return. Her weekend was allready full with Coyote dancing and car show promo work so she had no spare time but anytime after that was fine.
Day2. I had planned to meet a PinaLove recruit at 10:00 and a Tinder match at 1900. The PL girl arrived a couple of hours late looking way more "village girl" than the photo but still well and truly doable. What I thought was an entre BBBJ turned into a deep throat assault and rim job that polished my lower intestines. All holes were open for the remainder of the session and she left with 1500 taxi fare.
Shortly after she left I received a text from another PL lass suggesting that she was within walking distance and could she drop around for school fees. Reluctant to deprive anyone of an education, of course I agreed. She proved to be not too unlike her profile pics and a little spinner. She mentioned that she came down from the north of the island a couple times a month to add to her finances. She proceeded to give me the best BBBJ I'd had in the last 60 minutes so I didn't even worry about transitioning to FS. To my amazement she managed to get blood from a stone and received a CIM. That definitely deserved a round of applause and 1500 taxi fare home as well.
I had reached my daily limit so luckily Ms Tinder called and said she had a headache and I agreed that it would be better if we postponed our rendezvous until the following day.
Day 3 started with a well earned sleep in. Ms. Tinder came for a late lunch at TGI Fridays. At 31, she was a little older than her competition but she was still in good shape and proved to be really good company and an expert at her craft. She had promised during a previous celebate meal that a second date would come with a romp up in the hotel room. Back in the room, she proved to be a tireless performer. Round 1 was another expert deep throat, all positions then CIM. After a short rest it was starting to get dark so the room's small balcony was put to good use with her bent over the railing and wall. Prior to heading up we had agreed that some new clothes would be part of the deal, so I happily handed over 2 k shopping money.
It's a long time since I've been shattered by a provider but Ms Tinder did exactly that to me. There was no way I had anything to give the intended 11 pm appointment so I messaged a cancellation.
Day 4. I woke with a sore back and stomach cramps. Given that I had a repeat provider scheduled that evening who was known for her skills and energy, I thought it best to throttle back a little and have a mornings break. Our last meeting had knocked the planet off it's axis so I wanted to be fresh and prepared.
Somehow I had managed to loose / have stolen my carry bag so I went off in search of a replacement. Luckily, all of the contents had been put in the safe so no losses there. I sent out dummy return invites to all the potential thieves and no one showed any hesitation in returning so stuffed if I know where it went.
While I was doing that, I received couple of chats. The first was from Ms. 31 saying that 2 k was not enough for her new blouse and would I like to add another 3 k?. . . Or 4 k would be better, if I wanted. The second was Day 2's first girl saying that she was happy to come back but she needed a 100% pay rise. Obviously inflation is a * in Cebu.
That evening, the old acquaintance returned. She arrived promptly at 7 pm and unfortunately I had built up the anticipation so high that the real thing did not meet my expectations. It was a good night but no where near our first meeting nor what I was foolishly hoping for. Her BBBJ was still exceptional but to be honest my heart was not in the rest of the sessions. One thing that did make me laugh was when I explained that after so much sex in the last month, I was quite happy to have some relaxed sessions and I was fine if I didn't cum everytime. She gave me that school teacher look that said "We'll have none of that nonsense here" and ensured that the job was finished on each occasion.
Day 6. I was starting to become a bit too stalker-ish with repeated texts to another friend's recommendation. I was trying to juggle a hookup around my travel schedule, dwindling time remaining in town, her period cycle and inability to be seen by workmates with a white guy in tow. Desperation is not a good look so I had to back off there and then and maybe leave it for another trip.
A new Pina Love girl soon agreed to drop around at short notice to occupy some time. While she was heading in I thought I would organise a threesome for that night. Within a couple of minutes I had more choices than expected. Should I go with the 7 from Pina Love, who was a known skilled performer, with a new friend or the Tinder 11 and her friend who told me all the nasty things they would do to me and each other? Heads for the Pina Love, Tales for the Tinder duo. . . Heads! Shit! Best 2 out of three. . . I confirmed with the Tinder girls to be at the hotel at 10 pm and be available for all night as I'm not a fan of ST. The Little Head wins every time!!
The morning Pina Girl arrived close to on time but was 10 lb heavier than her profile pics. It was no big deal so we went straight up to the room and got to work. She started with my first and only lousy BBBJ in Cebu. Did she not get the memo about the new deep throat craze that had swept town? A bit of pussy pounding led to "You can fuck my ass for a tip. I need some money. " Soft touch me agreed in the heat of the moment so she left shortly after with 1500 plus 1000. Yes, I know: I'm an idiot.
After a late lunch, I went looking for some manscaping. I normally have no problem asking some whacked out crack h0 e to do some pretty freaky shit but, call me old fashioned, I felt as uncomfortable as hell asking a doey eyed sweety to wax my balls. It was just another day for them as they had option lists, prices, timetables, you name it. Didn't stop me being weirded out though while making the booking.
Shortly after that, it became evident that, yet again, Little Head had made the wrong choice and was leading me down the wrong path when the Tinder duo started calling with bullshit delay tactics for the threesome and a need for transport money etc. Etc.
That evening it dawned on me that my time was coming to a close so I needed to start to prioritise my capacity and time to known performers that I wanted a repeat session with. Top of the the list by far was Ms Coyote and her tasty snatch but she had gone to ground and was not returning messages. Ms. Real Job was still on the rags. Next up was Ms. Blood from a Stone and her magic ability to finish the job. At this stage of the race that seemed like a very good skill to have. She was booked for 9 pm. Unfortunately that too was put to a stop by Ms. Sweety-pie Ball Waxer who insisted on no showering or "hard rubbing" (yes, those were her actual words, LOL) for 12 hours.
Day7. That morning was spent generally surfing and chatting online and I soon had a FilCupid girl on the way to meet up at Bo' s coffee in Ayala. A quiet personality wrapped in a nice tall body appeared. She was about 5'4" and 95 lb. While she wasn't overly muscular, she had the toned physique of someone who certainly worked out. She later said she was a brown belt in both Karate and Tai Kwan Do which I didn't doubt. Unwrapped, back in the room, her body showed no signs of one kid and she exhibited stamina that well and truly out lasted anyone to date. Any position was available and held with ease and she would climb on top and grind away for endless sessions. Multiple sessions continued all afternoon and she was sent home with 2 k taxi money. I was totally exhausted. Big Head said "fuck her, dump her and move on". Little Head said "there could be three more days of that if she came with us to Moalboal". I'll let you guess who won and the remainder of the story. . .
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[QUOTE=Mogwai;2153531]Look who's talking!
You are just trying to justify your own bad behavior by pointing out how bad Pinays are.
And meanwhile you are ignoring the rest of my post where I say that you and these girls are not on an equivalent basis.[/QUOTE]Of course not. Neither I hope to convince you on something, nor I have an intention to justify. I just enjoy our discussion, partly because you have precisely the opposite approach towards Filipinas.
You sound like a communist, who promotes the equality. If you are rich, then you should share your wealth with a poor. It is very kind idea, but the life is evil and cruel, and the perfect model of life, when all people on this Earth are happy and wealthy, is simply impossible.
May I ask you, whether you are used to make any donations to improve the life of hundreds of millions other poor people around the world, who die of starvation, diseases, who fled war, etc and who desperately need your help? Or maybe your kindness and generosity apply only to hosts of tight, wet slippery holes, whom you stick your dick inside?[blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue]
I don't buy their pussies. I get them as something took for granted. I have a right to choose, and they can choose either. If any of the parties doesn't agree on conditions, then there is no deal! I don't give a shit of their motives. And by the way pinays don't feel any hard feelings about sex as well. That is what they are used to do and what they really enjoy. Some of them get a chance to travel, and of course that is tremendous additional incentive for them to be a good girls.
To answer you about "bad" Filipinas, I don't think so. They can be fun. Actually they are very predictable, if you understand their mentality and treat them accordingly. But still I want to repeat, I don't recommend long term relationship with Pinays.
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[QUOTE=Mogwai;2153546]No, you're not the only one who thinks he's funny. More guys have said that. And quite often guys say how spot on his stories are. And most of the time they are senior members and not newcomers.
To be honest with you: I too think he is funny and spot on sometimes. But only sometimes.[/QUOTE]What is it that he has said that in your experience is not true?
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2153592]What is it that he has said that in your experience is not true?[/QUOTE]The problem is not so much that he's lying, but that he tends to generalize too much. He's making statements about a whole group of people (Pinays, Filipino's etc.) but in reality his statements only apply to a (small) part of that group.
Just a few examples from his recent posts:
- Almost everyone in this country is a foreign cash remittance addict.
- Unlike Western women, Pinays do not need to fall in love to enjoy animalistic natural sexing. It is natural for her to get soaking wet and fuck like a beast in heat with a strange cock.
- It is true that the Filipinas are always insisting on the foreign boyfriend or husband being honest and loyal, while they themselves are untrustworthy cheaters and liars.
Populist politicians are doing the same thing and maybe that's why I don't like him because I hate populism.
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Sexual Egalitarianism in a Dystopian Society and Drivers.
[QUOTE=Tagalog2016;2153553]Of course not. Neither I hope to convince you on something, nor I have an intention to justify. I just enjoy our discussion, partly because you have precisely the opposite approach towards Filipinas.
You sound like a communist, who promotes the equality. If you are rich, then you should share your wealth with a poor. It is very kind idea, but the life is evil and cruel, and the perfect model of life, when all people on this Earth are happy and wealthy, is simply impossible.[/QUOTE]Interesting, a communist utopian insists on egalitarian principles when fucking Pinays in a dystopian Philippines where a patron-client political system allows a handful of wealthy families to dominate the government and economy. Meanwhile, he benefits from cheap bareback 3-holer fucks with girls funneled into the hooking business due to the conditions created because of the dystopian society. Since he claims to champion egalitarianism and fair trade, should not our communist comrade pay Amsterdam prices when he fucks the Pinays and cover up his prick with latex, in accordance with guidelines from PROUD, the Dutch sex workers union? Doing so would level the playing field and make it fair for the girls, as he will gain no benefit from socioeconomic disparities. He should also give a full disclosure to the Pinays that girls their age in his homeland would not fuck him, as an old man who wants to fuck young women is very creepy and perverted according to their social norms. LOL!
[QUOTE=Tagalog2016;2153553]May I ask you, whether you are used to make any donations to improve the life of hundreds of millions other poor people around the world, who die of starvation, diseases, who fled war, etc and who desperately need your help? Or maybe your kindness and generosity apply only to hosts of tight, wet slippery holes, whom you stick your dick inside?[/QUOTE]Apparently, his charitable donations are limited to poor and hungry girls who take a load of his semen in their pussies, mouths, and asses. Unfortunately, for them, that qualifies as sex work. Therefore, his donations are hardly charitable. Moreover, the compensation he pays them for enduring such copulatory activities are hardly fair trade. Unless he has confined all of his sexual intercourse with Pinays to overt prostitutes on a fee for service basis, he owes all of the non-pros that he fucked a house and lot as that was their expectation in return for sexual relationships.
[QUOTE=Tagalog2016;2153553]I don't buy their pussies. I get them as something took for granted. I have a right to choose, and they can choose either. If any of the parties doesn't agree on conditions, then there is no deal! I don't give a shit of their motives. And by the way pinays don't feel any hard feelings about sex as well. That is what they are used to do and what they really enjoy. Some of them get a chance to travel, and of course that is tremendous additional incentive for them to be a good girls.
To answer you about "bad" Filipinas, I don't think so. They can be fun. Actually they are very predictable, if you understand their mentality and treat them accordingly. But still I want to repeat, I don't recommend long term relationship with Pinays.[/QUOTE]Pinays are goodtime girls. They excellent at rooting and making mongers happy over the short term. However, only the very foolish or suicidal try to make it work over the long term. The 62-year-old businessman and former owner of Jane's Lodge in Surigao City found out about long term relationships with a Pinay the hard way. His 35-year-old Pinay wife started to fuck their Filipino driver, and she decided hubby had to go! She arranged for two hitmen to give him a fatal case of lead poisoning.
[URL]https://globalnews.ca/news/2291106/interpol-notice-for-filipina-wife-of-murdered-fredericton-man-harry-doyle/[/URL]
What is it with Pinays and drivers, trike or otherwise? They are obsessed with men who drive things. Curiously, Pinays refer to fucking in the dominant or top position as driving. When she rides your dick in cowgirl position, she is driving you. Conversely, when you are on top fucking her in the missionary position she is driving you. Perhaps, Pinays are just weak and horny for men who drive anything from a trike to a bus. LOL! Even the female politicians have an itch only their Filipino drivers can scratch!
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[QUOTE=Tagalog2016;2153553]I just enjoy our discussion[/QUOTE]Well I don't, and now that you're starting to drag weird subjects like communism into this discussion, that have really nothing to do with it, I can better end it.
It's a waste of my time anyway since you are most likely a troll. And if you're not a troll and are really abusing these girls for your own pleasure then you're disgusting.
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[QUOTE=Mogwai;2153604]Almost everyone in this country is a foreign cash remittance addict.
- Unlike Western women, Pinays do not need to fall in love to enjoy animalistic natural sexing. It is natural for her to get soaking wet and fuck like a beast in heat with a strange cock.
- It is true that the Filipinas are always insisting on the foreign boyfriend or husband being honest and loyal, while they themselves are untrustworthy cheaters and liars. [/QUOTE]You have been more generous than I would have been. I would have boiled his posts down to two general plotlines:
All Pinays are lying and deceitful; and.
All mongers get taken in by the deceit because they are gullible, having yielded all control of their thinking to their glands.
Occasionally there is a third plot, sometimes as a stand-alone, sometimes as a sidebar to one of the two basic plots above:
The Philippine system is rigged to find in favor of Filipinos and at the expense of, and ultimately imprisonment of, Western men.
So, CM's humor, if that's what it is, is like junior high school bathroom and sex jokes that get repeated every time a new person enters the room. Sadly, this is the only topic of conversation that some junior high school boys can sustain. If their jokes are funny, then so are CM's posts.
CM does sometimes have some witty lines. But this alone doesn't make him funny. Good comic writers know how to mix in some alternative plotlines so as to keep the audience guessing. CM isn't imaginative enough to do this--or perhaps his demons don't permit it--and so his "humor" is always predictable, the punchline is given away as soon as we see who the author is.
[QUOTE=Mogwai;2153604]Populist politicians are doing the same thing and maybe that's why I don't like him because I hate populism.[/QUOTE]I guess this is what I was thinking a couple times when I suggested that he go to work writing for Breitbart News or Infowars. CM's posts are not unlike the populist drumbeat that these right-wing outlets maintain. Absent the drumbeat, CM doesn't have much to say.
I will offer an alternative interpretation: that CM has been badly hurt by one or more women, possibly Filipina or Filipinas. Probably most of us in the ISG forum have had bad experiences with women. Some rebound, and some don't. In CM's case he may simply be writing about his own experiences. So the deceitful women in his posts represent the woman / women who hurt him, and the gullible mongers reflect the things he did wrong to put himself in harm's way before these women. If this is his script, then we should see him as sort of pitiful, and all this critical stuff some of us have said about him is misplaced.
CM, in the interest of brotherly love, let me just say: if what I am saying here has any ring of truth to it, then get yourself some help. The light coming in the other end of the tunnel is real; it's not just a reflection on the wall of Plato's cave.
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Regarding generalization of pinays, psychologically.
First of all, let's figure out, why people have to generalize.
Data processing inside the human mind is very complicated and sophisticated process, but it can be conditionally devided into three stages: to get the information, to analyze it and to work out a certain reaction on that. Since we get a huge flow of information daily, we have to sort and group it so that to distinguish importnat from less signifacant. That's because we are simply unable to process all information we got, same thoroughly. As a result of processing we formulate a reaction: it could be our opinion on something, deed, motion, verbal actions etc, but information which was labeled as insignificant is moved to recycle bin without any reaction on that.
I describe this process to let you understand the principles of generalization. The human brain is unable to deal with big amount of similar, yet a little bit different information individually and simultaneously, since it is not powerful enough.
Thus it groups the stuffs based on most significant similarities, but it doesn't take into consideration differences, because they are less important. Further, large groups can be divided into smaller ones and so on and so forth. It is comparable with folders on laptop's desktop. We can have different folders with music and video. Music is divided by genres. Genres are divided by artists, albums and finally songs. If we need to find a certain song, it is much faster and convenient to search that song browsing folders, than to put all ungrouped video and audio files on desktop and search there, reading all labels in a row.
Now few words regarding exclusions. When we have to take any action, often we have only one chance, either to do it, or not. That is why we subconsciously consider exclusions of the rule before to act, so that to make a right decision and to ensure an action will be done correctly. As less exceptions, as more likelyhood, that it will be neglected.
Another important thing to consider is personal experience versus statistics. People are tend to put a personal experience as a top priority, when it comes to make an action (to say something, to do something, to assess something etc). Even if their case is an exception against general state of affairs, they are guided by personal experience in the first place. When they don't have enough (unpleasant) experience, they are prone to think, someone tells just fairy tales and it doesn't happen so often.
Now let's return to generalization of pinays. When someone wants to give an advise on something, he wants to send a clear message to his interlocutor to avoid a confusion. That's why he opts for generalization. In such case it is necessary to create a collective image of Filipina. It contains characteristics of different people. It can't match to a particular person 100%, but it contains some features which any Pinay definitely has. If you browse the forum, you will find out the most frequently used generalizations of Pinays from different users are: lie, cheat, money, screw, horny etc. These are the words from different mongers, which form a statistics. So it is fair to call these words credible.
It means, that collective image of Pinays should contain general traits inherent to them, such as inborn horniness, itch for money, tendency to lie and to cheat etc. I want to underline, that it is impersonal point of view. I didn't notice, that many members of this forum used words such as faithful, honest etc without sarcasm.
If someone questions the credibility of this statement, there is a simple way to test it.
Ask yourself:
1. Would you believe a word a random unknown Filipina says? The answer is "no". Remember, that before to answer your brain subconsciously considered exclusions, and still the answer is negative, because even if you know, that someone is honest, in your experience 9 of 10 are not.
2. Would you believe, that horny pinay would be faithful to you, if you are gone for 3 months? The answer is "no" and I am sure, you didn't think too long before to answer. But still your brain did some analysis for you before to let you answer, and his decision was univocal.
3. Would Filipina, whom you fucked, and who said she loves you, take an advantage of situation, if she has an access of your bank account? The answer is "yes", and again it didn't take long for your brain to choose the right answer.
For those guys who deny the reality, I would suggest to read my report again and to find the key phrase: "When they don't have enough (unpleasant) experience, they are prone to think, someone tells just fairy tales and it doesn't happen so often. ".
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[QUOTE=Dg8787;2154122] I wood put my money on that too.[/QUOTE]I'd love to comment on this malapropism ("wood"), or maybe it was an intended pun, but something similar got RK in trouble a few weeks ago in the Angeles thread.
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[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2153837]Apparently, his charitable donations are limited to poor and hungry girls who take a load of his semen in their pussies, mouths, and asses. [/QUOTE]Unfortunately, a lot of guys who claim, they know and understand Philippines, are limited to interactions with hookers only. They think, that if they have been coming to AC for 20 years, they are experts in local life and girl's psychology. That's the biggest delusion. Unless you step in this shit by yourself, you can't claim you know anything about Pinays.
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[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2153837]Interesting, a communist utopian insists on egalitarian principles when fucking Pinays in a dystopian Philippines where a patron-client political system allows a handful of wealthy families to dominate the government and economy.... blah blah blah[/QUOTE]I think you have made it clear with this post, once and for all, that you prefer to write stories that don't have much (or even nothing) to do with reality. You like to pick a few lines from somebody's post that you find interesting and then create a story around them. And what you're often doing then (and this post that I'm replying to now is a perfect example) is magnifying and exaggerating these lines to absurd proportions. It's overkill.
I admit that not all of your posts are as extreme as this one, and that you sometimes write posts that are close(r) to reality. However most of your posts are well, just stories.
I just hope that people see the difference because you seem to have quite a lot of 'believers' among the members of this forum, who take everything you say for granted.
I could write similar stories as you. I'm also a gifted writer if I may say so myself, but only in Dutch, not in English. I would love to write a firm reply on the same level as your posts, but unfortunately that would take way too much time and effort for me.
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[QUOTE=Tagalog2016;2154146]Unfortunately, a lot of guys who claim, they know and understand Philippines, are limited to interactions with hookers only. They think, that if they have been coming to AC for 20 years, they are experts in local life and girl's psychology. That's the biggest delusion. Unless you step in this shit by yourself, you can't claim you know anything about Pinays.[/QUOTE]That's funny, I was thinking exactly the same about you and CM.
By the way: weren't you the guy that said that 99% of the Pinays are WGs?
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[QUOTE=Tagalog2016;2154101]First of all, let's figure out, why people have to generalize.
SNIP SNIP SNIP
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[QUOTE=Tagalog2016;2154146]Unfortunately, a lot of guys who claim, they know and understand Philippines, are limited to interactions with hookers only. They think, that if they have been coming to AC for 20 years, they are experts in local life and girl's psychology. That's the biggest delusion. Unless you step in this shit by yourself, you can't claim you know anything about Pinays.[/QUOTE]It seems very clear to me that your post about generalizations (#9215) is completely based on interactions with hookers only, LOL!
Oh wait, you said that 99% of the Pinays are hookers. You've got me there.
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[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2154066]You have been more generous than I would have been. I would have boiled his posts down to two general plotlines:
SNIP SNIP SNIP
[/QUOTE]Thanks a lot Soapy for boiling down CM's posts in such a great way. This is exactly the post that I would love to have written myself, but unfortunately English is not my native language so it would take me ages.
Good to know I'm not the only one here who doesn't like him.
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[QUOTE=Mogwai;2154409]It seems very clear to me that your post about generalizations (#9215) is completely based on interactions with hookers only, LOL!
Oh wait, you said that 99% of the Pinays are hookers. You've got me there.[/QUOTE]That's just the point (I think). To defend Tag just a bit. This board is about the girls who sell themselves for money. Whatever the percentage of girls in phils who do this (hardcore or otherwise), they represent a large number of ladies. The majority of readers on this board are here for the purpose of the board: Girls / money. When a Board Member here discusses pinay being *this* or *that* way. Ie, "A Filipina lies everytime she opens her mouth". I think its understood that he is talking about the girls we travel to Phils for (or move there to bang). While I disagree with the sweeping generalization of all Filipina lie, I think those of us experienced in mongering would agree that it often does apply to the girls we are there to meet, and that the gent who made the statement is talking about that group. "Oooooohhhh baby you so handsome". I'm not sure that the issue of what % of girls are hooking or not hooking is important.
This board isn't here to discuss someone's nice auntie, who does not share the questionable traits of many of the girls I've seeded. Its here to discuss the girls with peanut-butter legs (easy to spread).
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[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2154525]That's just the point (I think). To defend Tag just a bit. This board is about the girls who sell themselves for money. Whatever the percentage of girls in phils who do this (hardcore or otherwise), they represent a large number of ladies. The majority of readers on this board are here for the purpose of the board: Girls / money. When a Board Member here discusses pinay being *this* or *that* way. Ie, "A Filipina lies everytime she opens her mouth". I think its understood that he is talking about the girls we travel to Phils for (or move there to bang). While I disagree with the sweeping generalization of all Filipina lie, I think those of us experienced in mongering would agree that it often does apply to the girls we are there to meet, and that the gent who made the statement is talking about that group. "Oooooohhhh baby you so handsome". I'm not sure that the issue of what % of girls are hooking or not hooking is important.
This board isn't here to discuss someone's nice auntie, who does not share the questionable traits of many of the girls I've seeded. Its here to discuss the girls with peanut-butter legs (easy to spread).[/QUOTE]Actually, I put another word, which is not allowed on the forum and which was substituted by WG. I can stand by my word and that is how I think, based on my experience. You are absolutely right, that people on here are for a wet tight pussy, but the thing is the majority of pinays would get laid with a monger in exchange of (proposed) money. I agree with you, that percentage doesn't matter. That is a phenomenon, which primarily depends on their mentality and in the second place on level of life.
If you compare with other hot monger spots such as Ukraine, Colombia, Venezuela etc, girls in these countries are not like that. Try to get laid for free there and you will find out it is quite difficult comparing to Philippines. Because they will assess you as a man in the first place, unlike in PI, where any Dutch old man with flabby ass has a chance to get laid for free, providing he is a good storyteller. They say Madagascar is similar, but I've never been there so far, plus I am not attracted to such type of a women.
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[QUOTE=Goferring;2150493]Do Philippine college exams have costs to sit?
It's a big exam week in Cebu and the Chat rooms are flooded with 18 to 22 year olds. A coincidence or not?
Beware that a number are also "turning" 18 in a couple of months too.[/QUOTE]When are the exams weeks?
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[QUOTE=Member#1088;2154628]When are the exams weeks?[/QUOTE]Depending on the college, but most that spoke to me had end of year exams the whole month of March. There are mid years as well but I haven't worried about findibg out about these yet.
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For old poles in need, the Philippines indeed!
[QUOTE=Tagalog2016;2154591]Actually, I put another word, which is not allowed on the forum and which was substituted by WG. I can stand by my word and that is how I think, based on my experience. You are absolutely right, that people on here are for a wet tight pussy, but the thing is the majority of pinays would get laid with a monger in exchange of (proposed) money. I agree with you, that percentage doesn't matter. That is a phenomenon, which primarily depends on their mentality and in the second place on level of life.
If you compare with other hot monger spots such as Ukraine, Colombia, Venezuela etc, girls in these countries are not like that. Try to get laid for free there and you will find out it is quite difficult comparing to Philippines. Because they will assess you as a man in the first place, unlike in PI, where any Dutch old man with flabby ass has a chance to get laid for free, providing he is a good storyteller. They say Madagascar is similar, but I've never been there so far, plus I am not attracted to such type of a women.[/QUOTE]Filipinas will suck the flabbiest balls and oldest cock in the galaxy warts, wrinkles and all. At least, as long as there is the possibility of some cash or opportunity to emigrate in it. In a nutshell, that is the primary reason the Philippines is the most popular sex tourism destination for elderly men in the world. It is the last refuge for old poles seeking young holes.
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[QUOTE=Mogwai;2154416]Good to know I'm not the only one here who doesn't like him.[/QUOTE]I don't actively dislike him; that would require more emotional energy than I care to invest. I almost feel sorry for him, because it seems he can't help himself. I haven't blocked him because that too takes energy. I just mostly have him on mental ignore. My summation of his narrow range of plotlines is something I had identified long ago, and that's when I put him mentally on ignore. I perked up for your post because I pretty much agreed and, since I think he adds more distortion than value to the board, I really don't get why people keep defending him. I sort of get it that Mr. E feels some brotherly loyalty, but E also offers a lot more balanced views on things Filipino, and he adds useful information from time to time. A couple senior board members have advised me in PMs to totally ignore him, but far be it from me to take such really sound advice.
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[QUOTE=Mogwai;2154416]Thanks a lot Soapy for boiling down CM's posts in such a great way. This is exactly the post that I would love to have written myself, but unfortunately English is not my native language so it would take me ages.
Good to know I'm not the only one here who doesn't like him.[/QUOTE]I don't ever recall a CM post about him or whatever ever getting any pussy. After all is said and done he got none. Sad.
I don’t care how good a person writes. If you ain’t getting any pussy you don’t have any creditability here.
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[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2154674]Filipinas will suck the flabbiest balls and oldest cock in the galaxy warts, wrinkles and all. At least, as long as there is the possibility of some cash or opportunity to emigrate in it. In a nutshell, that is the primary reason the Philippines is the most popular sex tourism destination for elderly men in the world. It is the last refuge for old poles seeking young holes.[/QUOTE]I assume you are stating this from your experience.
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[QUOTE=Tagalog2016;2147529]Just always remember that the percentage of good honest Filipinos is really very very low. So you guys, shouldn't fool yourself regarding good pinays. Just be realistic and cynic and try to analyze your so called relationship soberly. 99 % of pinays are sl#ts and you should always keep that axiom in your mind, no matter what they do and how they behave. Anyway their final target is your money.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2154525]That's just the point (I think). To defend Tag just a bit. This board is about the girls who sell themselves for money. Whatever the percentage of girls in phils who do this (hardcore or otherwise), they represent a large number of ladies. The majority of readers on this board are here for the purpose of the board: Girls / money. When a Board Member here discusses pinay being *this* or *that* way. Ie, "A Filipina lies everytime she opens her mouth". I think its understood that he is talking about the girls we travel to Phils for (or move there to bang). While I disagree with the sweeping generalization of all Filipina lie, I think those of us experienced in mongering would agree that it often does apply to the girls we are there to meet, and that the gent who made the statement is talking about that group. "Oooooohhhh baby you so handsome". I'm not sure that the issue of what % of girls are hooking or not hooking is important.[/QUOTE]Generally speaking I agree with you Westy. However in this case Tagalog2016 has made it very clear that he considers almost all Pinays as WGs.
See the quote above, and here's another quote from the Manila thread (#16104):
[QUOTE=Tagalog2016;2148728]As was told few times before, Filipinas could be divided into two groups. First are straightforward and ask money for sex right away. Others are more sly and they are willing to wait for weeks, months or even year (s) to get your money. No matter whether she is from the first group, or from the second one, you should always keep in your mind, that 99% of pinays are WG, who are primarily interested in your wealth.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Dg8787;2154688]I don't ever recall a CM post about him or whatever ever getting any pussy. After all is said and done he got none. Sad.
I dont care how good a person writes. If you aint getting any pussy you dont have any creditability here.[/QUOTE]I can recall one post about a romp he had. But maybe that was also fiction.
I suppose he can only get his pen up (to write stories) and not his dick anymore.
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[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2154685]I perked up for your post because I pretty much agreed and, since I think he adds more distortion than value to the board, I really don't get why people keep defending him.
SNIP
A couple senior board members have advised me in PMs to totally ignore him, but far be it from me to take such really sound advice.[/QUOTE]I don't get it either why people keep defending him and I wish more people would openly stand up against him. Like those senior board members who advised you in PMs to ignore him. If it turns out that many people don't like his posts he might back off a little bit.
OTOH it might only encourage him to keep posting. He's not really a troll I think but nevertheless difficult to stop.
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[QUOTE=Goferring;2154665]Depending on the college, but most that spoke to me had end of year exams the whole month of March. There are mid years as well but I haven't worried about findibg out about these yet.[/QUOTE]Hum, I wonder if there is any way to find out, then we can schedule the visits around that time.
I also notice for Christmas they look for help.
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[QUOTE=Member#1088;2154947]Hum, I wonder if there is any way to find out, then we can schedule the visits around that time.
I also notice for Christmas they look for help.[/QUOTE]Not to be Captain Obvious, but did you ask a chick that goes to school?
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[QUOTE=FreebieFan;2143166]Not often on the board these days tho my post count will certainly indicate I was previously.
I live in Makati in my own place. Been here n.....
The other types are the ones who do all the domestics, plus will be an equal partner in bed and who will happily give me a long lingering body scrub after. Guys, you don't need a live in maid: You just have to select the right type of girl.[/QUOTE]Hum not just domestic, I am chatting with two "good girls", they both offer me tht they can do my laundry no problem and cook for me.
I know they are not dosmetic, they go to univeristy, I even so their school ID.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2154949]Not to be Captain Obvious, but did you ask a chick that goes to school?[/QUOTE]LOL, yes I asked many, but different answers,.
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Why? Are you offering to tutor them? ROTFLMAO.
[QUOTE=Member#1088;2154947]Hum, I wonder if there is any way to find out, then we can schedule the visits around that time.
I also notice for Christmas they look for help.[/QUOTE]Actually had GFs in uni that did that for me. And hand washing at night.
[QUOTE=Member#1088;2154959]Hum not just domestic, I am chatting with two "good girls", they both offer me tht they can do my laundry no problem and cook for me.
I know they are not dosmetic, they go to univeristy, I even so their school ID.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Dg8787;2154688]I don't ever recall a CM post about him or whatever ever getting any pussy. After all is said and done he got none. Sad.
I dont care how good a person writes. If you aint getting any pussy you dont have any creditability here.[/QUOTE]I'm in full agreement. Hes been on my ignore list for a few years. Sad cynical twitwho loves to take cheap shots but contributes nothing. Had a few spats with him over the years and then found peace when I hit the ignore button. Hes nothing but a waste of time and space.
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Ukay Ukay
Hey guys.
I sent a very little money 500 pesos to a person using paypal, to her email, but the final log, says it went to a place called Ukay Ukay, and she claimed she didn't get it.
Is this a scam? By her or someone else?
Ty for any info.
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Was that for No. 2 pencils?
I don't use Paypal after several bad experiences. Western Union is the one that is easy to use and many prefer. There are a couple other ones I used years ago but I forget the names.
[QUOTE=Member#1088;2155427]Hey guys.
I sent a very little money 500 pesos to a person using paypal, to her email, but the final log, says it went to a place called Ukay Ukay, and she claimed she didn't get it.
Is this a scam? By her or someone else?
Ty for any info.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Member#1088;2155427]Hey guys.
I sent a very little money 500 pesos to a person using paypal, to her email, but the final log, says it went to a place called Ukay Ukay, and she claimed she didn't get it.
Is this a scam? By her or someone else?
Ty for any info.[/QUOTE]Sharing of PayPal accounts seems to happen. I've sent money for some work done by a freelance coder and had an odd description come up. He did get the money but explained that he shared the account with somebody else.
If she didn't get it then maybe somebody else did take it. Somewhat hard to tell. Guessing it's not the girl as one common scam is the first few small payments work ok, then she asks for a larger sum, which might also work ok, then a bigger sum still and "boom" she's gone with your money, or mysteriously doesn't receive it (cough).
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[QUOTE=Member#1088;2155427]Hey guys.
I sent a very little money 500 pesos to a person using paypal, to her email, but the final log, says it went to a place called Ukay Ukay, and she claimed she didn't get it.
Is this a scam? By her or someone else?
Ty for any info.[/QUOTE]Ukay ukay means used clothes (store). Many Filipinos do not have a way to receive money whether the lack of proper ID or a way to do it. Many will use a friend or family member with proper ID to receive the money for them. Some are trustworthy and some are not.
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Coins. Ph
[QUOTE=Member#1088;2155427]Hey guys.
I sent a very little money 500 pesos to a person using paypal, to her email, but the final log, says it went to a place called Ukay Ukay, and she claimed she didn't get it.
Is this a scam? By her or someone else?
Ty for any info.[/QUOTE]Try coins. Ph.
You can download it on your mobile, and it is very convenient.
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[QUOTE=Bushes;2155434]Was that for No. 2 pencils?
I don't use Paypal after several bad experiences. Western Union is the one that is easy to use and many prefer. There are a couple other ones I used years ago but I forget the names.[/QUOTE]Is thre a way online to use western union but keep anonymous?
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[QUOTE=Transporter;2155565]Try coins. Ph.
You can download it on your mobile, and it is very convenient.[/QUOTE]Requieres ID / selfie.
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Wu.
[QUOTE=Member#1088;2155585]Is thre a way online to use western union but keep anonymous?[/QUOTE]What do you mean with "anonymous"? That you don't want to mention your name? You don't want that the girls know how your name is? Is it that what you want to know? If yes, the answer is no. If you want to send money, you must give "them" your particulars at least once and the girls have to know your full name when she want to pick it up.
I use WU since 5 years and I use it online, always. Had some technical problems with them last year but since they use a new software everything is running well. To use it online is very convenient and easy. You can send some money within seconds and sometimes the girls are "impressed" about it.
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Never send any money to Pinays!
[QUOTE=Member#1088;2155427]Hey guys.
I sent a very little money 500 pesos to a person using paypal, to her email, but the final log, says it went to a place called Ukay Ukay, and she claimed she didn't get it.
Is this a scam? By her or someone else?
Ty for any info.[/QUOTE]First and foremost, that's a really big no to send any money to pinays. It doesn't matter, whether you send her 50 p or 50 thousands. You break the basic rule, which encourages them to scam you and other people again and again.
Absolutely all Filipinas who ask you to send them money directly or incite you to make such decision by yourself are scammers. There is a fair trade relationship, when you pay money to fuck them, but everything, which is beyond this, is their shameless attempt to squeeze as much money from foolish gullible foreigners, as possible.
I don't want to repeat myself, but instead you can read at least 3 last pages of this thread to get more information and hints regarding all eventualities with sly Filipinas.
Regarding your question, you got the answer from other members already, that ukay ukay is a secondhand stuffs store, which is most likely owned by your girl or her relatives / friends.
I can't help wondering, why some other people advise you to use other payment systems, instead of to warn you against any money sending at all. This suggests, that still many of them are victims of pinays. Apparently, they encourage other fellows to make mistakes to legitimate their own behavior.
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[QUOTE=Member#1088;2155585]Is thre a way online to use western union but keep ano,nymous?[/QUOTE]Maybe there is, but it will for sure be illegal.
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[QUOTE=Mogwai;2155747]Maybe there is, but it will for sure be illegal.[/QUOTE]IMHO not a chance as illegal and WU will want to know your ID and details of payment. As USA based it will want passport, credit card and name check. I use WU online and no way can I be a different person. It asked me my details and I had to prove the CC used was mine and a name check! Am sure if there is a way someone will tell you but I agree with Mog, this is not the way to go.
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[QUOTE=Member#1088;2155589]Requieres ID / selfie.[/QUOTE]To take funds out yes, but small quantities there are ways to get around an ID and selfie.
You can always have people add funds to your account. And getting an ID is easy to do just go to recto and buy one.
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[QUOTE=Tagalog2016;2155710]Absolutely all Filipinas who ask you to send them money directly or incite you to make such decision by yourself are scammers. [/QUOTE]To say "Absolutely all" is of course a gross generalisation. I had a pinay I had seen a few times ask to borrow some money because her laptop had died and she needed an emergency replacement. I sent her 10,000 peso with the expectation that I would never see it again. I was ok with that. Multiple visits, all freebies, great LT GFE each time, a lot of fun.
It took her multiple payments over three months but she paid back every single dollar, and when it was fully paid out she sent me some flowers as a thank you.
I accept that many, indeed most, of the girls that we talk about here are up for scamming the old foreigners, but it certainly isn't "Absolutely all". And, BTW, I am hardly an experienced monger with hundreds of notches on the belt, so my percentage rate for genuine people is commensurately higher.
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[QUOTE=BaddHabbit;2156053]To say "Absolutely all" is of course a gross generalisation. I had a pinay I had seen a few times ask to borrow some money because her laptop had died and she needed an emergency replacement. I sent her 10,000 peso with the expectation that I would never see it again. I was ok with that. Multiple visits, all freebies, great LT GFE each time, a lot of fun.
It took her multiple payments over three months but she paid back every single dollar, and when it was fully paid out she sent me some flowers as a thank you.
I accept that many, indeed most, of the girls that we talk about here are up for scamming the old foreigners, but it certainly isn't "Absolutely all". And, BTW, I am hardly an experienced monger with hundreds of notches on the belt, so my percentage rate for genuine people is commensurately higher.[/QUOTE]Great point.
For those who think all Filipina are liars or scammers, please check out [URL]https://www.kiva.org/[/URL] This is a loan operation. They have been in operation for more than a decade. Thousands of people with small biz ideas can get loans (similar to crowd-funding). They put their biz idea online and wait for investors. Some get investors, others don't. They have a high payback rate, even among pinoy. You can become a VC with a loan of as little as $25.
I've had good luck and bad luck with loans. However its wrong to make the sweeping generalization.
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[QUOTE=Tagalog2016;2155710]There is a fair trade relationship, when you pay money to fuck them, but everything, which is beyond this, is their shameless attempt to squeeze as much money from foolish gullible foreigners, as possible.[/QUOTE]And there is not a fair trade relationship, when you don't pay money to fuck them and pretend you want a serious relationship.
A shameless attempt to squeeze as much sex from foolish gullible pinays as possible.
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Short term experience can lead to erroneous conclusion.
[QUOTE=BaddHabbit;2156053]To say "Absolutely all" is of course a gross generalisation. I had a pinay I had seen a few times ask to borrow some money because her laptop had died and she needed an emergency replacement. I sent her 10,000 peso with the expectation that I would never see it again. I was ok with that. Multiple visits, all freebies, great LT GFE each time, a lot of fun.
It took her multiple payments over three months but she paid back every single dollar, and when it was fully paid out she sent me some flowers as a thank you.
I accept that many, indeed most, of the girls that we talk about here are up for scamming the old foreigners, but it certainly isn't "Absolutely all". And, BTW, I am hardly an experienced monger with hundreds of notches on the belt, so my percentage rate for genuine people is commensurately higher.[/QUOTE]I agree, that every rule has an exceptions. But can your example be considered as an exception?
The problem is, a lot of people simplify things and make superficial erroneous conclusions. And by the way, it can also be called generalization. For example, many fellow mongers think, that If a girl asks money in exchange of sex, she is a prostitute, if she doesn't, then she is a good girl. If she borrows money from you and disappears, she is a scammer, if she pays back, then she is trustworthy and honest. While it's almost always true, that highly ethical woman won't sell her pussy and decent person won't scam you, it is irrelevant for opposite situation, because a scammer or cheater can sometimes make a good deed in some random cases.
Young pinays are mostly childish and poorly educated. Even those, who hold bachelor degree, sometimes strike you with blatant ignorance in some subjects like geography, history, literature, politics etc. Still lack of education doesn't mean, they are straightforward. They are sly, deceitful and extremely unreliable. Not all of them are professional scammers. You mentioned, your pinay paid back the debt, and perhaps she didn't intend to scam you. But it doesn't mean, she is reliable and honest. Maybe it was a fortuitous turn of events, that she had generous infusion of money from other sponsors that time, or something like that. But in unfortunate circumstances, she would have stiffed you with money without regret. It is very common even among Filipinos, when someone "trustworthy" suddenly disappears with money. Things just went wrong in his life, and he simply changed his mind to repay his loan, while under different circumstances he would have paid.
Actually, the reason, why she paid back her debt can be different. There could be too many reasons to list them all. But few of them include:
- She is a scammer and she is willing to milk you in the long run. She wants you to lose your vigilance, so that to squeeze more money from you in future. It doesn't necessarily mean, she literally wants to ask you for another loan, which she won't pay back, although it could be possible. It could be like she wants to establish more trusting relationship to get an advantage of you, when you consider her your GF, or when you merry her.
It is important to mention, that pattern of behavior of pinays in the short term significantly differs from their behavior in the long term. An innocent angel can turn into witch. Their inborn itch of money will always push them to leech off you, but lack of morality and shortsightedness will make very possible, she will cheat you in time as well.
If you don't believe me, you can read the recent example of such situation in the thread "Angeles city", posted by Nice Guy 99. The post #22088. He broke up with his GF after 3 years of relationship. She never asked for money until recently, when she asked him to buy a jeepney for her brother and then lied him, she needs money for funeral of her relative, while in fact nobody died.
So never trust Filipina based on your short term experience. If she didn't lie you so far, then she definitely will. But in time.
- Another possible reason, why she repaid the loan, could be she simply likes you and that is why she tries her best to be decent with you. Yes, it is also possible if you are relatively young and good looking guy. Still it doesn't mean, she is honest and decent with others. I can tell you an example, when one girl never asked money from me, but in time I found out she has been making appointments with one old expat from Manila to blow him off at his place. It was commercial relationship between them. He paid and she gave him her holes in exchange of money.
Again, her possible affection to you in short term perspective has nothing to do with her feelings in long term relationship. She will find her way to screw you if you will allow her enough time for that.
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[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2156147]Great point.
For those who think all Filipina are liars or scammers, please check out [URL]https://www.kiva.org/[/URL] This is a loan operation. They have been in operation for more than a decade. Thousands of people with small biz ideas can get loans (similar to crowd-funding). They put their biz idea online and wait for investors. Some get investors, others don't. They have a high payback rate, even among pinoy. You can become a VC with a loan of as little as $25.
I've had good luck and bad luck with loans. However its wrong to make the sweeping generalization.[/QUOTE]As I said, I agree, that exceptions do exist. However, generalization is necessary to draw out the key trends in the pattern of behavior of Filipinas.
When 9 of 10 people are liars, and 1 is honest, it is fair to say "most of them are dishonest". Yes, it is generalization, but if you say "some of them are honest, but some are not" it won't reflect the real state of affairs, since it won't let you sense the key trends. "Some honest and some not" can refer to:
- 5 honest and 5 dishonest.
- 1 honest, 9 dishonest.
- 9 honest and 1 dishonest.
How to get who is who in such case? When we generalize, we make it clear what we mean. That is especially important, when it is said in a context of word of warning.
As old saying says, forewarned is forearmed.
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[QUOTE=BaddHabbit;2156053]To say "Absolutely all" is of course a gross generalisation. I had a pinay I had seen a few times ask to borrow some money because her laptop had died and she needed an emergency replacement. I sent her 10,000 peso with the expectation that I would never see it again. I was ok with that. Multiple visits, all freebies, great LT GFE each time, a lot of fun.
It took her multiple payments over three months but she paid back every single dollar, and when it was fully paid out she sent me some flowers as a thank you.
I accept that many, indeed most, of the girls that we talk about here are up for scamming the old foreigners, but it certainly isn't "Absolutely all". And, BTW, I am hardly an experienced monger with hundreds of notches on the belt, so my percentage rate for genuine people is commensurately higher.[/QUOTE]Likewise. I had given 3000 pesos to my GF at that time from Leyte and sent her on shopping. She needed nice outfits and shoes and practically everything. Just had a cloth bag when she came. She came back after a few hours spending only 800 pesos and handed me back rest of the money. Started explaining what she bought and how much it cost. In other words she bought some junk. That evening I took her to the mall and bought good stuff for her.
There are many honest girls.
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[QUOTE=Sammon;2156233]Likewise. I had given 3000 pesos to my GF at that time from Leyte and sent her on shopping. She needed nice outfits and shoes and practically everything. Just had a cloth bag when she came. She came back after a few hours spending only 800 pesos and handed me back rest of the money. Started explaining what she bought and how much it cost. In other words she bought some junk. That evening I took her to the mall and bought good stuff for her.
There are many honest girls.[/QUOTE]Your example doesn't prove her honesty and decency either.
She might be honest with you on this, and scam you with other things at the same time. Or even she can be absolutely honest with money (which rarely happens), but can fuck with other foreigners or pinoys.
You look for obvious things to check her honesty, but way of thinking of Pinays differ from yours.
Their indecency can reveal in absolutely unexpected things and deeds, which you even can't assume. That's why I strongly suggest to refrain from premature conclusion. Time is the only legitimate judge. Sometimes it takes years, not months to realize the reality.
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This is partly true. There are many honest girls in the PI and they are sweeter than most others I have met in my travels. Particularly if they are from the province. And they love sex. Not the brightest lot, mind you, but the other qualities make up for it. Conversely, I have met many who are notorious liars and cheaters. I think it's 50-50. As an example, I once gave a cute busty Cebuana I was courting $100 to finish her schooling. I wanted to bang her but never got beyond first base. She dumped me for another guy who professed his love and marriage to her so I said send me the $100 back. It took her awhile but eventually she sent the money back to me (or was it HIS money? Anyways, the Filipinas always need money. It is a poor country with high unemployment. Cheers.
[QUOTE=Sammon;2156233.
There are many honest girls. QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Sammon;2156233]Likewise. I had given 3000 pesos to my GF at that time from Leyte and sent her on shopping. She needed nice outfits and shoes and practically everything. Just had a cloth bag when she came. She came back after a few hours spending only 800 pesos and handed me back rest of the money. Started explaining what she bought and how much it cost. In other words she bought some junk. That evening I took her to the mall and bought good stuff for her.
There are many honest girls.[/QUOTE]An interesting dichotomy. Almost all of my regular girls are honest with money that I hand to them, in just the same way as Sammon. Often I had them a blue note to run up the street to Jollie, and they (there might be more than one at a time), and they always return with the full change and a receipt, even though I've never requested a receipt. However, several have been caught lying when attempting to borrow online from overseas (about the reason or need for the money). They also lie routinely about whether they have a boyfriend / husband or not. A prime example of 2 lies in one:
One of those 'honest' regulars from the province borrowed 1500 to get her sick auntie some medicine. Lets call the auntie Lyn (not real name). Lyn is the one with an ID for money pickup, so I sent it to her. Later, I ran into Lyn in the mall (without the girl present), I asked if the medicine had helped quickly. She seemed confused. I told her the girl borrowed 1500 for Lyn's meds 6 weeks prior. Lyn said she was never sick, that she picked up the money and gave it to the girl, and the girl went on a booze / cigarettes spending spree for 2 days with her boyfriend. What? Her boyfriend? She has a boyfriend? "Yes. That guy you see him before". She showed me a picture on her phone of some boys in their barrio near a basketball court. The skinny tiny boy that looks like he's 15? "Yes that's him". The 'honest' girl who brings my change and also has never touched the pesos in my pants pocket in the night lied about borrowing money and lied about having a boyfie.
In addition, almost every one of my regulars has been caught lying about the existence of a local boyfriend, husband, or other foreign boyfriend. Example: Last summer, a regular Cebuana told me (unsolicited) that she'd broken a relationship with another foreign guy (he drinks too much). An unsolicited confession of a previous boyfriend while I was with her. Very nice. So, right then I asked if she'd had other boyfriends during our 8-year time together. "No". Pinoy even? "No". Got it. While she slept, I did a search for her FB and found it (didn't know she had one). Recent pics of her and the pinoy love of her life in her home, with her son, going back several years. The next morning at breakfast I mentioned it. She smiled. "Yes. My boyfriend. Father my son". I see. Does he live with you? "Yes. When he is not gone for trabajo". Does he know about me? "Not sure". How long have you been with him? "Since before my son". So, 8 or 9 years maybe? "Um, ten". Do you love him? "Yes". Other than this, she's never been dishonest, and is such a sweetie.
These CM-type stories are real, and not uncommon. They are what make many men make sweeping generalizations.
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Watch out for that left hook!
[QUOTE=Tagalog2016;2156244]Your example doesn't prove her honesty and decency either.
She might be honest with you on this, and scam you with other things at the same time. Or even she can be absolutely honest with money (which rarely happens), but can fuck with other foreigners or pinoys.
You look for obvious things to check her honesty, but way of thinking of Pinays differ from yours.
Their indecency can reveal in absolutely unexpected things and deeds, which you even can't assume. That's why I strongly suggest to refrain from premature conclusion. Time is the only legitimate judge. Sometimes it takes years, not months to realize the reality.[/QUOTE]Exactly! The caveats are that their treachery will manifest itself in "absolutely unexpected things and deeds" that a foreigner cannot imagine, as it will be something totally out of character with the face and behavior shown to him over years not months. These "unexpected things and deeds" may not target the foreigner directly or specifically. However, the wise person will reconsider their relationship with the girls involved.
For example, a girl with an education from a reputable university and well-paid government job suddenly stole from emergency cash fund at work. When her supervisor detected the theft and her supervisor gave her a week to return the money, she asked me to repay it for her. I refused and parted ways.
Another case involved a holy-roller girl who "borrowed" money from a girlfriend promising to repay on payday. This girl attended mass at least 3 times a week and was an active leader in Catholic youth groups. She claimed the money was for surgery to save her dying mother. Well, repayment time rolled around and she needed an extension, and so it went. Until I finally told my girlfriend, she was conned. Unwilling to accept this, she started making some inquiries and discovered that the Holy Roller borrowed money from almost everyone in their circle of friends.
They banded together and traveled to her barangay, where they visited her house. Sure enough, the "dying mother" was not in hospital but at home in good health and was never ill. In fact, she cried upon hearing that her daughter was using tales of her imminent death as a pretext for defrauding friends of money. The mother texted the girl asking her to come home immediately after work from the municipal hall where she worked as an accountant. When she arrived, in the presence of her parents and friends, she denied borrowing money from her friends. Her friends were stunned at her brazenness. However, one of them was accompanied by her mother who called some policemen. The Holy Roller was forced to pay that particular girl back the money she swore that she never borrowed.
Further investigation revealed that she had stolen a large sum of money from the municipal government, and her salary was being garnished each month to repay it. After the truth came out she deleted her Facebook, quit her job, and vanished.
Her dishonesty and thievery was definitely an unexpected and the victims were friends she knew for years. Yet, she did not have the decency to tell the truth and ask for help instead of victimizing them without mercy. This is the danger that many mongers are ignoring. In general, Pinays behave unpredictably in response to unknown financial triggers, and they do so without remorse. This makes them bad long-term partners, and very dangerous in cases where they benefit from the demise of foreign husband / boyfriend.
Pinays have an answer for this and it is, "Not all!" Sure, not all are like that, in the same way as not all snakes are venomous. However, people tend to treat all snakes with deep respect as misidentifying a deadly one as being harmless could result in fatal consequences.
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[QUOTE=Tagalog2016;2156244]Your example doesn't prove her honesty and decency either.
She might be honest with you on this, and scam you with other things at the same time. Or even she can be absolutely honest with money (which rarely happens), but can fuck with other foreigners or pinoys.
You look for obvious things to check her honesty, but way of thinking of Pinays differ from yours.
Their indecency can reveal in absolutely unexpected things and deeds, which you even can't assume. That's why I strongly suggest to refrain from premature conclusion. Time is the only legitimate judge. Sometimes it takes years, not months to realize the reality.[/QUOTE]I worry only about the time she is with me. It will drive me up the wall if I start thinking about what she does when I am not with her. As long as my needs are met in a good fashion, it would be sufficient for me. I have zero intention of marrying.
If and when I get tired of a girl I do look for others. Plenty of fish er girls available. I am no goody two shoes when I am not with so called GF, s.
I always say unless you are with a girl 24-7 you cannot be sure about what she does. Girls grew up in their neighborhood and knows lots of people. It is natural for them to fuck other boys who are closer to their age. Nobody is going to put a chastity belt. I am sure girls will lie if I start probing. But why bother?
All the same almost every girl require money. I pay for sex either way.
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Basically a filipina will do whatever she has to do to get what her or her family need. A foreigner is just a rich vein of cash. We all give when we are asked. Some stories work on different people.
That a family of 6 will view the oldest girl pussy as a cash cow. She needs to have a regular foreigner on the hook at any one time to provide monthly allowance. The allowance she gets from her Korean BF is twice what our staff at work get. It distorts her mind. What will the family do when she graduates college to get an honest job for half the peso?
BD.
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Regarding FB.
[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2156287]While she slept, I did a search for her FB and found it (didn't know she had one). [/QUOTE]Almost every pinay has FB account, and if she says, she doesn't, she definitely hides something.
I want to note, that some girls have two, or even three FB accounts. Each one is used for it's own purpose. As a rule, it's difficult to find her second account, as she can call herself with a nickname, abbreviated name, or turn her name upside down, e. G. To put Enaj instead of Jane, or to put her middle surname (maiden name of her mother) etc.
Second account may or may not be linked with the main account. If it is linked, her alter ego account can be befriended with main one, or both accounts could have common friends. Often, the second account is created for western BFs, so that they won't notice her pinoy BF or husband.
Another common trick is when her pinoy BF creates fake female account, and you could never get to know, that a lovely girl among your GF's friends, whom with she is used to chat daily, is in fact her favorite Filipino stud.
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You get to know your snakes
[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2156446]
Pinays have an answer for this and it is, "Not all!" Sure, not all are like that, in the same way as not all snakes are venomous. However, people tend to treat all snakes with deep respect as misidentifying a deadly one as being harmless could result in fatal consequences.[/QUOTE]The more time you spend in the Phils (or SE Asia for that matter) the more you get to know which snakes are venomous and which ones are not. Although of course there will always be the occasional snake that tricks you.
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[QUOTE=Tagalog2016;2157853]You forgot the money!
She will sell herself, her parents, children, anyone and anything for the sake of money. You don't know Filipinos well, if you consider they will give their last peso to parents or sister. They are selfish, and they think about themselves in the first place.[/QUOTE]There's only one person here who's thinking of himself in the first place.
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[QUOTE=Mogwai;2159016]There's only one person here who's thinking of himself in the first place.[/QUOTE]But hang on, SHOULDN'T they think of themselves and their needs as more important to them than our needs? We are a means to an end for them, just as they are for us. It's called 'Enlightened self-interest'.
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[QUOTE=BaddHabbit;2159089]But hang on, SHOULDN'T they think of themselves and their needs as more important to them than our needs? We are a means to an end for them, just as they are for us. It's called 'Enlightened self-interest'.[/QUOTE]You have the wrong argument. He said they will think of themselves rather than how everyone says they first think of the collective (mom, dad, kids, siblings etc). The foreigner is not an issue in that argument.
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[QUOTE=BaddHabbit;2159089]But hang on, SHOULDN'T they think of themselves and their needs as more important to them than our needs? We are a means to an end for them, just as they are for us. It's called 'Enlightened self-interest'.[/QUOTE]Enlightened self-interest in such context means, that you won't lie, you won't cheat, you won't scam, because you certainly don't want your partner to apply the same towards you. Eventually only this way you can get the biggest benefit for yourself.
In Philippines this philosophy absolutely doesn't work. Pinays cheat, lie and scam, but they expect foreigners to be decent in return. That's a phenomenon of Filipino mentality. No matter how good, honest and generous you are, you won't get any gratitude from them.
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[QUOTE=Tagalog2016;2159111]Enlightened self-interest in such context means, that you won't lie, you won't cheat, you won't scam, because you certainly don't want your partner to apply the same towards you. Eventually only this way you can get the biggest benefit for yourself..[/QUOTE]No, enlightened self-interest simply means you will act in a way towards others that best provides the environment to encourage them to act the way you would wish them to for your own purposes. So, in this case, providing GFE and laughing at bad jokes, etc, etc, is all part of creating the ambiance that encourages the punter to provide money, gifts, etc. Whether they are doing it for 'true' reasons or not, it is in their own interest to act in response to the interests of punters. BTW, it could mean that they specifically DO lie or cheat, if that is in the interest of the other, and thereby encourages the other to do what you want them to.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2159103]You have the wrong argument. He said they will think of themselves rather than how everyone says they first think of the collective (mom, dad, kids, siblings etc). The foreigner is not an issue in that argument.[/QUOTE]Agreed, my comment on the foreigner is simply that we all act in this way at times, and it is perfectly rational for them (or us) to think of themselves first. Enlightened self-interest is simply that they may be thinking of and acting on your interests because that in fact serves their own interests longer term. This is as true in a family dynamic as it is in a commercial transaction. Whether the average Pinay can think in this strategic manner, or express it as such, is another argument altogether!
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One good deed deserves another!
[QUOTE=Tagalog2016;2159111]Enlightened self-interest in such context means, that you won't lie, you won't cheat, you won't scam, because you certainly don't want your partner to apply the same towards you. Eventually only this way you can get the biggest benefit for yourself.
In Philippines this philosophy absolutely doesn't work. Pinays cheat, lie and scam, but they expect foreigners to be decent in return. That's a phenomenon of Filipino mentality. No matter how good, honest and generous you are, you won't get any gratitude from them.[/QUOTE]They will lie, cheat, and swindle without conscience. However, the foreigner must not only be decent. He must be trusting to the point of gullibility. Pinays are offended when a foreigner does not immediately place his complete trust and confidence in them. "Wala trust?" No trust? Is one of their favorite rhetorical questions when a foreigner takes common sense measures to limit potential financial losses.
Gratitude is something that does not apply to foreigners, as you are not their "kababayan" (compatriot). However, they will not hesitate to demand help for themselves and family members. They look confused when you say, "I am a foreigner. How is the bill for your grandmother's lifesaving hemorrhoidectomy my responsibility?
Try telling them that you fell on hard times and will need their help. Suddenly, they disappear and no longer have load to reply to your text messages. I saw this happen to a Korean and a few Americans. In the Korean's case, the Pinays always joined him for lunch in groups of 4 to 6. Invariably, he was stuck with the bill. Then he fell ill. None of his lunch mates brought him food, offered to take his clothes to the laundry, or visited him. His medical bills wiped out his savings. When he recovered and returned to work, his so-called friends appeared again for free feeds. However, he had learnt his lesson. LOL!
It is best to keep things quid pro quo with the girls, and not rely on their gratitude. As the girls say, "It is business lang (only)." Among their friends, they pride themselves on being "practical" in their dealing with foreigners. It is up to us to be practical in our dealings with them too, which means not falling for sympathy stories. In fact, one should always return the favor and give the girls a good story about some family tragedy back home requiring you to wire huge sums of money home for Grandpa's lifesaving penile implant surgery.
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[QUOTE=BaddHabbit;2159329]No, enlightened self-interest simply means you will act in a way towards others that best provides the environment to encourage them to act the way you would wish them to for your own purposes. So, in this case, providing GFE and laughing at bad jokes, etc, etc, is all part of creating the ambiance that encourages the punter to provide money, gifts, etc. Whether they are doing it for 'true' reasons or not, it is in their own interest to act in response to the interests of punters. BTW, it could mean that they specifically DO lie or cheat, if that is in the interest of the other, and thereby encourages the other to do what you want them to.[/QUOTE]I can't agree with you. The following definition is given in Wikipedia:
"Enlightened self-interest is a philosophy in ethics which states that persons who act to further the interests of others (or the interests of the group or groups to which they belong), ultimately serve their own self-interest.
It has often been simply expressed by the belief that an individual, group, or even a commercial entity will "do well by doing good".
Enlightened self-interest is related to the Golden Rule: simply acting toward all others the way one wants them to act toward oneself. The reasoning, for example, is 'I will not steal because if I steal then others may steal from me and the creation of a thieving society will likely hurt me'."
Thus, according to this philosophy, it is wrong to make bad deeds, because in the long run it can harm you, and eventually you wouldn't gain the ultimate benefit for yourself.
Let's take an example. A western guy is looking for a wife in Philippines. Pinay could gain the biggest benefit, if she will be a genuinely good girl, since ultimately she can become a wife of a foreigner, which therefore enables her to get an access to the wealthy life, she was dreaming about.
Yes, she can get some profit in the short term perspective, even if she was dishonest and cheat on him. But ultimately, she will be most likely exposed and wouldn't become a wife of a wealthy guy. She won't get the maximum profit, which she could get, if she acted honestly and decently.
Your example, when a girl gives GFE and sex in exchange of money is relevant too, but it can be categorized as a business relationship solely. I strongly disagree, that a girl could lie and cheat, since it contradicts the basic principles of this philosophy and could harm her in the long term.
When I told, that enlightened self-interest doesn't meet the mentality of pinays, I meant their general attitude towards relationship and not P4 P. Mostly Filipinas are narrow-minded and prone to make a BS.
I must say, that some pinays manage to get away with it. There are a lot of cases, when sly girls become a spouses of naive foreigners, and the truth would reveal itself only when it's late already, or even worse their husbands would never get to know they are scammed and cheated by their wives. But you shouldn't confuse fortuitous turn of events with enlightened self-interest. Again, this philosophy can't be based on bad deeds. If a taxi driver hit a jackpot just because you didn't know a fare, it doesn't mean he was acting according enlightened self-interest philosophy. He was just lucky, because his passenger was a fool.
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PinaLove Scam. . . . Or not?
Last night I was stalking Pina when I came across a girl supposedly flying in from Cebu on her way to work in Macau In 2 days. In short, she said her 3 am arrival was too late to wake her aunt so could she stay at my place. She gave her flight number which matched the arrival time and subsequent delayed flight times. She arrived at my place with suitcase and bag tags. The story was she was on her way to stay with a cousin in Macau and a walk-in job application as a maid.
The obvious happened for the rest of the night and the following morning. In the morning she makes some references to a deposit gone bad for her visa show money. Checks her ATM. Deposit not available. Calls the bank in front of me - "wait 3 to 5 business days". I think this is a uncle's heart attack story to ensure payment but she refuses cash for services and even P500 for the taxi to aunt's place and goes home.
4 pm this afternoon she Vibers that she still has a problem with the bank. I offer to help to the value of last night, P3 k. Then the full fraud allert warnings go off. Can't come now but will come after the transfer to fuck me senseless, do the transfer first then I will come and help you pack, can't come in person for the cash but you can Remit it at these places.
I would have been happy to pay for services but pulled out, smelling a scam. When I said I didn't have enough cash on me she was fine. No arguments, no abuse, no tears. Just "I hope I get it sorted or I'll miss the plane".
Part of me thinks I prevented a good long-con but the gullible part also questions why she didn't take the bird in the hand earlier and thinks I may have Cheap Charlied a nice chica.
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Get out now!
[QUOTE=Goferring;2159506]Last night I was stalking Pina when I came across a girl supposedly flying in from Cebu on her way to work in Macau In 2 days. In short, she said her 3 am arrival was too late to wake her aunt so could she stay at my place. She gave her flight number which matched the arrival time and subsequent delayed flight times. She arrived at my place with suitcase and bag tags. The story was she was on her way to stay with a cousin in Macau and a walk-in job application as a maid.
The obvious happened for the rest of the night and the following morning. In the morning she makes some references to a deposit gone bad for her visa show money. Checks her ATM. Deposit not available. Calls the bank in front of me - "wait 3 to 5 business days". I think this is a uncle's heart attack story to ensure payment but she refuses cash for services and even P500 for the taxi to aunt's place and goes home.
4 pm this afternoon she Vibers that she still has a problem with the bank. I offer to help to the value of last night, P3 k. Then the full fraud allert warnings go off. Can't come now but will come after the transfer to fuck me senseless, do the transfer first then I will come and help you pack, can't come in person for the cash but you can Remit it at these places.
I would have been happy to pay for services but pulled out, smelling a scam. When I said I didn't have enough cash on me she was fine. No arguments, no abuse, no tears. Just "I hope I get it sorted or I'll miss the plane".
Part of me thinks I prevented a good long-con but the gullible part also questions why she didn't take the bird in the hand earlier and thinks I may have Cheap Charlied a nice chica.[/QUOTE]It is a trap! My guess is that after you remit the money with your full name and details, as required to send money within the Philippines, some friendly policemen were going to show up at your door. Why she did not take the 3 K for the fucking you ask? Well, for one, it would have blown her cover as normal girl traveling to a job abroad. Secondly, she was holding out for much larger "show money" anywhere from 15 K to 25 K. Thirdly, her accomplices were probably going to demand anywhere from 250 K to 500 K to make her charges against you go away.
You got lucky when you decided not to remit the 3 K and your details to complete the rest of the scam. She would have helped you pack for your extended stay a Bicutan Detention Center. You should be checked out and reading this post at a safe location. Returning to your place before payment of the transfer would have ruined whatever she had planned, as she would not have your details to past to her pals. In addition, she was hoping that you would be eager enough for an encore performance to think with your little head instead of the big one.
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[QUOTE=Goferring;2159506]Part of me thinks I prevented a good long-con but the gullible part also questions why she didn't take the bird in the hand earlier and thinks I may have Cheap Charlied a nice chica.[/QUOTE]Because she is "not a prostitute to accept the money in exchange of sex". LOL.
Who cares, that she doesn't mind to get laid with a stranger, who provided her a shelter for a couple of hours, while her aunt was sleeping. Of course she is not a prostitute, and she felt genuine affection towards you right after you filled her mouth with sperm. That's why she felt the urge to bare her soul in front of you to let you know about her hardship and to get fatherly advise (or help) from your side.
Whatever her story is scam or not, such girls are a garbage and you shouldn't grieve about her. You offered her a shelter, she repaid you with her pussy. That's a fair deal. Moreover, you offered her money and she rejected. Case is closed.
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[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2159514]It is a trap! My guess is that after you remit the money with your full name and details, as required to send money within the Philippines, some friendly policemen were going to show up at your door. Why she did not take the 3 K for the fucking you ask? Well, for one, it would have blown her cover as normal girl traveling to a job abroad. Secondly, she was holding out for much larger "show money" anywhere from 15 K to 25 K. Thirdly, her accomplices were probably going to demand anywhere from 250 K to 500 K to make her charges against you go away.
.[/QUOTE]And what would those charges be? You base your advice on "my guess".
Goferring doesn't mention anything immoral or illegal? Providing shelter to a stranger? Not paying for sex? Money can be deposited into a bank account without providing ID.
This just sounds like a normal day in Philippines. It's a daily queue of filipina requesting money for a variety of reasons. The best are of the course the ones with "If I don't get money today I'll probably kill myself or pawn my phone. " They always find a way to get through.
Just two nights ago I had the "send money or I'll kill myself". Have seen that girl twice in AC and rewarded her well. I'll see her again I'm sure.
BD.
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[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2159514]It is a trap! My guess is that after you remit the money with your full name and details, as required to send money within the Philippines, some friendly policemen were going to show up at your door. Why she did not take the 3 K for the fucking you ask? Well, for one, it would have blown her cover as normal girl traveling to a job abroad. Secondly, she was holding out for much larger "show money" anywhere from 15 K to 25 K. Thirdly, her accomplices were probably going to demand anywhere from 250 K to 500 K to make her charges against you go away.
You got lucky when you decided not to remit the 3 K and your details to complete the rest of the scam. She would have helped you pack for your extended stay a Bicutan Detention Center. You should be checked out and reading this post at a safe location. Returning to your place before payment of the transfer would have ruined whatever she had planned, as she would not have your details to past to her pals. In addition, she was hoping that you would be eager enough for an encore performance to think with your little head instead of the big one.[/QUOTE]I doubt if this is a scam. If she wants to involve police she would have done it already or someone else would have contacted demanding money. No need for details. Hotel already has the details if police wants it.
It puzzles me why she did not take money in the first place. Maybe her story is true that she needs to do some bank transfer for whatever reason. Maybe she is buying visa to Macau through some back channels. Maybe somebody is there to guarantee her stay. Who knows?
She does not need another encounter to cry '[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]' or extort. Sex has already happened. Money transfer happens plenty of times in Philippines. In fact the whole country is waiting at the money transfer places it seems like. Just because you send money to somebody you will not be locked up.
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PinaLove Scam. . . . Or not?
[QUOTE=Sammon;2159797]I doubt if this is a scam. If she wants to involve police she would have done it already or someone else would have contacted demanding money. No need for details. Hotel already has the details if police wants it.[/QUOTE]One thing I didn't emphasise in my original post was that she already knew where I was staying including the condo number. For all I know she could have looked over my shoulder and known the access code to open my front door as well.
She also knew that I was flying out at 2 am that night so, unless a SWAT Team came bursting through my door soon after payment, any "arrest" would have had to happen very publicly at the airport.
[QUOTE=Sammon;2159797]She does not need another encounter to cry [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] or extort. Sex has already happened. Money transfer happens plenty of times in Philippines. In fact the whole country is waiting at the money transfer places it seems like. Just because you send money to somebody you will not be locked up.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=BrainDrain;2159751]And what would those charges be? You base your advice on "my guess".
Goferring doesn't mention anything immoral or illegal?
BD.[/QUOTE]Being a White Guy In the Wrong Place At The Wrong Time is a felony in most Asian countries. And the possible charges are many: Attempted [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url], Assault, Deprivation of Liberty. The list goes on and regardless of if she had been paid or not it would have been my work against hers and the police.
[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2159514]It is a trap! My guess is that after you remit the money with your full name and details, as required to send money within the Philippines, some friendly policemen were going to show up at your door. Why she did not take the 3 K for the fucking you ask? Well, for one, it would have blown her cover as normal girl traveling to a job abroad. Secondly, she was holding out for much larger "show money" anywhere from 15 K to 25 K. Thirdly, her accomplices were probably going to demand anywhere from 250 K to 500 K to make her charges against you go away.[/QUOTE]As I said, I was more than happy to pay for services rendered. However, the thing that made me bail was that pretty much everything made no sense:
Good girls don't dive into bed with a stranger to not wake up their aunt.
Bad girls don't refuse payment for services rendered.
P3 k /$60 is no where near enough show money for a 30 day visa.
"I can't come now" and "Pay now, bang later" screams fraud.
Being totally calm when it all fell through made no sense to me at all. Most fraudsters get irate at the end to try to force the money to come through.
Its still all unclear to me exactly what was happening. There was definitely an attempt to get money from me. However, if it was simply trying to disguise a fee for service or a grand plan with 3rd parties to extort mega bucks, I'll never know. Luckily I flew out as scheduled that night and am now out of the country.
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Transferred from Makati thread
[QUOTE=AsianGeek;2159564] I used PL premium membership last time. Is FC or DIA any better?
[/QUOTE]Definitely Pinalove is the most effective in my opinion.
Activate your membership before you leave home and use the 1-month option. I suggest that if you are here for 2 weeks then activate 1 week before you leave; use up the 2 weeks while here and then you have 1 week for any follow-ups (if you wish).
Remember to turn OFF the auto-renew function once you are active so that it doesn't auto-renew after 1 month. You do it by going into "Settings" and just follow the prompts. It might look like you are cancelling your m / ship but all you are doing is cancelling the auto-renew.
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Pinalove. Scam or not?
Sounds like to me you have doubts and regrets about not doing anything. I assume the amount of money involved wasn't much to you.
I personally do what my heart and brain decide together without regrets. Certainly don't care what someone else might say about it.
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[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2159429] Among their friends, they pride themselves on being "practical" in their dealing with foreigners. [/QUOTE]Yes, that is true! Pinays are used to discuss foreigners with their friends with utmost cynicism, taunts and jeers.
Most young pinays are quite childish, but some of them try to seem mature in front of old fair-skinned dudes. Nevertheless, they remain youngsters at heart, which completely reveals when they are among their compatriot peers. They laugh at baldness, beer belly, age, deeds, which seem funny according to their childish thinking and logics, etc.
They discuss everything, including number of fucks, mocking at 2 rounds per night, comparing to their pinoy BFs, who are capable to fuck 10 times per day.
But the most laughing stock for them is a foreigner himself. That is not an exaggeration, that they consider all foreign guys as walking ATMs, and they talk to each other about this matter with utmost cynicism and disrespect. Pinays think they are smart, but all foreigners are stupid. That is one of the reasons, why they scam and cheat so brazenly and without fear. They think, they will always get away with it.
The only thing, which they never discuss is the exact amount, which they managed to extract from their sponsors. I don't know the reason of that, but perhaps, they are scared, that their friends will ask for a loan (which they will never repay), if the amount seem too significant for them.
Actually, they discuss foreigners not just with their friends but with everyone from their environment: with colleagues, neighbors, relatives etc. And everyone is eager to give an advise, how to squeeze more money from foolish rich poriner. They want a foreigner to be useful not just for a girl, but for the entire community.
I think, that some gullible mongers, who prefer to behave like a noble generous knights even with low grade prostitutes, would reconsider their behavior a bit, if they heard, what those girls are used to talk about them.
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Online Dating versus Conventional Hooker Pickups
Call Sign Papa and the now retired Skogis have had considerable success from exclusively using FB, PL, DIA and other dating sites for getting girls in Manila. As you would have read, this requires an enormous amount of research, planning and organisation to make it work. I think if you want to bang 6 girls in 3 days, you need to arrange about 20 in advance as most will be late or just won't show at all. There's also the issue of making bookings too early and the girl not taking the punter seriously. Many wait until they get into Manila first.
There are others that use a hybrid system, whereby they go to the bars in the event the girls arranged on site don't show. Then there those that don't have an online profile at all and purely rely on P4 P action from bars and massage parlours. I'm in the latter category. The main reason I avoid online dating sites is for security. I just can't afford to be discovered while searching on line at home or be recognised on the sites. I know most people have fake FB accounts and Skogis even had a fake photo (of someone who vaguely resembled him) on PL. But this doesn't get around the fact that your browsing can get discovered while at home from a carelessly left phone or iPad.
So I just cruise the bars and pay the bar fine and away I go. What method is best? Both work fine. Don't be perturbed if you don't have any online accounts. You aren't really missing anything. Not only do you need to strike up a conversation on line, you then need to convince the girl to meet. There is a very good chance the girl will flake out, even after agreeing. Pickups from bars is a guaranteed thing.
Cost wise, bar girls will be more expensive. Online hookups will require at least 2,000 PHP in taxi money for the girl to go away. But I think what punters find exciting with the online method is that it is more like a real date. So much is still unknown and there is a certain thrill to it. Collecting a hooker from a bar is very predictable, but it suits me.
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Closed Group Discussion Site for Girls
In Thailand there is a closed group FB discussion site in the Thai language for girls to seek advice, compare notes or to check the credentials of western punters who appear on Thai Friendly, Tinder, FB and other sites. Non-working girls send in photos and bios of the guys and check if they're bona fide. Some girls are brutal in their assessment of the guys. Because it's in the Thai language, and is quite anti-west, it flies under the radar. Now if western punters had a similar site to compare Thai girls and share photos, I'm sure the SJWs at FB would have closed it down by now.
Is there anything similar in the Philippines?
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[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2160174]In Thailand there is a closed group FB discussion site in the Thai language for girls to seek advice, compare notes or to check the credentials of western punters who appear on Thai Friendly, Tinder, FB and other sites. [/QUOTE]Do you know the name of this FB group?
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[QUOTE=Mogwai;2160266]Do you know the name of this FB group?[/QUOTE]It's a long Thai name which translates to something like "The Sharing Of Information About And Experiences With Farang Guys".
Just put it into Google translate and start searching FB. It's to check whether foreign guys have pure intentions of love and marriage or whether they're just after free sex. It's a name and shame site.
I just wanted to know if their Pinay sisters have something similar in Tagalog. I don’t think Pinay girls are any dumber than Thai girls.
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[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2160279]I just wanted to know if their Pinay sisters have something similar in Tagalog. I dont think Pinay girls are any dumber than Thai girls.[/QUOTE]Yes they do. I posted about it in my post about a PL girl's method of using the sites.
In short it's not one FB page but a series across FB, WA etc discussing the same topics you have mentioned.
Before you ask, A LOT of guys here expressed interest on how they appear on the site (s). Unfortunately she was happy to discuss it with me but would not give or show me the boards or their names. Not that it would have helped as I speak zero Tagalog or Visaya let alone Phil street slang.
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[QUOTE=Tagalog2016;2159858]Yes, that is true! Pinays are used to discuss foreigners with their friends with utmost cynicism, taunts and jeers.
Most young pinays are quite childish, but some of them try to seem mature in front of old fair-skinned dudes. Nevertheless, they remain youngsters at heart, which completely reveals when they are among their compatriot peers. They laugh at baldness, beer belly, age, deeds, which seem funny according to their childish thinking and logics, etc.
They discuss everything, including number of fucks, mocking at 2 rounds per night, comparing to their pinoy BFs, who are capable to fuck 10 times per day..[/QUOTE]Pinays love to give foreigners nicknames based on their appearance and other characteristics. They call bald fellas "panot" or "kalbo"; potbellied fellas "malaking tiyan" (big belly) or "buntis" (pregnant); old fellas "malukot" (old man) or "lolo" (grandpa); smelly fellas are "mabantot" (stinky) or "mabaho" (rotten), and fellas not giving handouts are "kuripot" (stingy).
Pinays consider foreign mongers who can only muster two or three fucks per night as "mahina" (weak) or "malambot" (soft). They brag about their young Pinoy boyfriends belting out 10 to 12 fucks in a day. The girls are more impressed with the number of fucks and inseminations per day rather than the duration of each fuck. Western mongers mistakenly think that the Pinays are impressed with longer performances and multiple orgasms. In fact, they prefer multiple quickies throughout the day or night with only one or two orgasms if any, as they are not obsessed with reaching climax like Western women. Their living arrangements favor fast hard short fucks. The faster a man comes in their pussy, the more he loves and desires them. Long fucks make them insecure, as they wonder if they are not sexy and tight enough to make him come quick. Foreplay and cunnilingus are unnecessary delays, as Pinays are always wet from anticipation and recent deposits of semen.
Filipinas see foreign men as idiot walking-ATMs because they fly halfway around the world to pay for sex with exotic beauties. As far as Pinays are concerned, tall pale-skinned blonde-haired white women with and blue / green eyes are beautiful goddesses. They wonder why Western men pay thousands of dollars to leave such gorgeous women at home to come and pay for the privilege of fucking poor LBFMs. Therefore, the expat and sex tourist are objects of ridicule and undeserving of their respect. They are nothing more than sources of income for the entire country to exploit for what they often claim is a better life but really more Red Horse, cigarettes, and brand name cellphones. It is common for Filipinos to say, "Jackpot!" to girls accompanying their foreign walking-ATMs in public.
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[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2160297]The girls are more impressed with the number of fucks and inseminations per day rather than the duration of each fuck.[/QUOTE]I agree with everything, but I want to note that as soon as I know most pinoys get circumcised as a child. So duration of fuck shouldn't be an issue for them as well. They lose out westerners just in size of a dick, but clearly win in quantity of fucks, they are able to perform.
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[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2160297]The girls are more impressed with the number of fucks and inseminations per day rather than the duration of each fuck. [/QUOTE]As far as I know, sorry.
I agree with everything, but I want to note that as soon as I know most pinoys get circumcised as a child. So duration of fuck shouldn't be an issue for them as well. They lose out westerners just in size of a dick, but clearly win in quantity of fucks, they are able to perform.
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Pinoy stone cock.
[QUOTE=Tagalog2016;2160405]As far as I know, sorry.
I agree with everything, but I want to note that as soon as I know most pinoys get circumcised as a child. So duration of fuck shouldn't be an issue for them as well. They lose out westerners just in size of a dick, but clearly win in quantity of fucks, they are able to perform.[/QUOTE]The Pinoys have the stamina for long duration fucking, and engage in it as circumstances allow. However, long fucks are not a priority for them, at least among the younger crowd. In America, twenty-something years-old men often use Viagra recreationally to engage in marathon fucking, this does not appear to be a thing for Pinoys in the same age group. When the girls brag about their Pinoy boyfriends' sexual prowess, it is more often about number of fucks and hardness of the cock. Apparently, whatever they lack in size they make up for in hardness. The girls refer to this extraordinary hardness as "stone cock. " They love when the young skinny boyfriend fucks them hard with his "stone cock. " To illustrate their lust for very hard cocks, I have attached a photo of an actual polished stone cock proudly displayed by a provincial Pinay. So much for the shyness, they pretend to have around us.
Another reason young Pinays prefer short fucks has to do with their living arrangements. Most of them live with their family or extended relations, and privacy is fleeting. When fucking in the familial residence, Bush, or dorm, short time is best to avoid discovery during the act. Couples reserve long fucks for special occasions when a financial windfall allows them to book a room at a Sogo Hotel. Filipinos with relatively well-paid jobs and young mistresses are more likely to use hot sheet hotels on a regular basis.
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[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2160297]Pinays love to give foreigners nicknames based on their appearance and other characteristics. They call bald fellas "panot" or "kalbo"; potbellied fellas "malaking tiyan" (big belly) or "buntis" (pregnant); old fellas "malukot" (old man) or "lolo" (grandpa); smelly fellas are "mabantot" (stinky) or "mabaho" (rotten), and fellas not giving handouts are "kuripot" (stingy).
Pinays consider foreign mongers who can only muster two or three fucks per night as "mahina" (weak) or "malambot" (soft). They brag about their young Pinoy boyfriends belting out 10 to 12 fucks in a day. The girls are more impressed with the number of fucks and inseminations per day rather than the duration of each fuck. Western mongers mistakenly think that the Pinays are impressed with longer performances and multiple orgasms. In fact, they prefer multiple quickies throughout the day or night with only one or two orgasms if any, as they are not obsessed with reaching climax like Western women. Their living arrangements favor fast hard short fucks. The faster a man comes in their pussy, the more he loves and desires them. Long fucks make them insecure, as they wonder if they are not sexy and tight enough to make him come quick. Foreplay and cunnilingus are unnecessary delays, as Pinays are always wet from anticipation and recent deposits of semen.
Filipinas see foreign men as idiot walking-ATMs because they fly halfway around the world to pay for sex with exotic beauties. As far as Pinays are concerned, tall pale-skinned blonde-haired white women with and blue / green eyes are beautiful goddesses. They wonder why Western men pay thousands of dollars to leave such gorgeous women at home to come and pay for the privilege of fucking poor LBFMs. Therefore, the expat and sex tourist are objects of ridicule and undeserving of their respect. They are nothing more than sources of income for the entire country to exploit for what they often claim is a better life but really more Red Horse, cigarettes, and brand name cellphones. It is common for Filipinos to say, "Jackpot!" to girls accompanying their foreign walking-ATMs in public.[/QUOTE]Then what do they think of the Koreans? Leaving their Gangnam princesses at home to chase Visayas farm girls must also be similarly stupid.
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[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2160297]
Filipinas see foreign men as idiot walking-ATMs because they fly halfway around the world to pay for sex with exotic beauties.[/QUOTE]Men like you?
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[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2160620]Then what do they think of the Koreans? Leaving their Gangnam princesses at home to chase Visayas farm girls must also be similarly stupid.[/QUOTE]I think, that in general pinays consider Korean guys fools as well. It doesn't matter whether you are Dutch old man, or Korean, anyway you are a cash cow for them in the first place.
Some fellow mongers refuse to accept the obvious, but it doesn't change the real state of affairs. Perhaps, it hurts their male ego, that girls mock at them behind their back and consider them just rich talentless idiots, but well, that's life.
In regards of performance, Koreans should be closer to Pinoys. As far as I know, they also got circumcised, have similar size and are capable to fuck like rabbits. It could be both advantage or disadvantage for pinays. For example, one girl told me, that she doesn't like to accept LT with Koreans, since they are used to fuck nonstop all night long, which is kinda tiresome, whereas old Westerners with half limp dick doesn't bother her too much. She has time to chat her pinoy BF and has enough sleep. And opposite for horny pinays, Koreans could be more preferable.
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[QUOTE=Mogwai;2160672]Men like you?[/QUOTE]You assume it is a man. So far it hasn't gotten any pussy. Sounds more like a wounded hurt scorned feline.
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[QUOTE=Tagalog2016;2160736]I think, that in general pinays consider Korean guys fools as well. It doesn't matter whether you are Dutch old man, or Korean, anyway you are a cash cow for them in the first place.
Some fellow mongers refuse to accept the obvious, but it doesn't change the real state of affairs. Perhaps, it hurts their male ego, that girls mock at them behind their back and consider them just rich talentless idiots, but well, that's life.
In regards of performance, Koreans should be closer to Pinoys. As far as I know, they also got circumcised, have similar size and are capable to fuck like rabbits. It could be both advantage or disadvantage for pinays. For example, one girl told me, that she doesn't like to accept LT with Koreans, since they are used to fuck nonstop all night long, which is kinda tiresome, whereas old Westerners with half limp dick doesn't bother her too much. She has time to chat her pinoy BF and has enough sleep. And opposite for horny pinays, Koreans could be more preferable.[/QUOTE]I agree that nationality does not matter, as the girls only care about the money. Anyway, most of them think that Holland is in the United States. It is amazing given the time that they spend online hitting up easy marks that they have such little regard for geography. As long as it is a cash dispensing walking penis, whether it is an old Dutchman or Chinaman is of no consequence. The fellas want to believe that those young girls love them and truly think they are handsome studs. If that were true, they would not have to give the girls money to suck the wrinkles out their balls and the warts off their cocks. The truth is an elderly Dutchman is not going to get the warts sucked off his cock by an 18-year-old hot milkmaid in Rotterdam because she finds him handsome. If it happens, it will be for major money not love nor lust. Only the delusional think that the girls in the Philippines are somehow different and rearing to suck granddaddies' cocks because they are such charming and well-curated specimens.
A Pinay told me that Korean cocks are as hard as nails, and during a three-day stay in Subic, her Korean client fucked her so hard his cock tore her pussy. She had go to the emergency room to stop the bleeding and get stitches put in her pussy to repair the tear in vaginal wall. She swore that a big old half-limp Western cock on Viagra was easier to handle than a small but extremely hard and pointy Korean cock. She also mentioned that elderly Westerners fuck once or twice, dribble out some cum and sleep heavily for the rest of the night. On the other hand, Koreans were relentless fuck machines, and the girls can expect to be chicken fucked several times in a single night.
Some old Western mongers grieve for the halcyon days when they were not outcompeted by the younger fitter Korean mongers, as it is harder to delude themselves into thinking that the girls are actually attracted to them and it is not 100% business. The Pinays now want more money to fuck them and are less willing to keep up the GFE charade, as they run at the first opportunity. It is what it is.
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[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2160916]I agree that nationality does not matter, as the girls only care about the money. Anyway, most of them think that Holland is in the United States. It is amazing given the time that they spend online hitting up easy marks that they have such little regard for geography. As long as it is a cash dispensing walking penis, whether it is an old Dutchman or Chinaman is of no consequence. The fellas want to believe that those young girls love them and truly think they are handsome studs. If that were true, they would not have to give the girls money to suck the wrinkles out their balls and the warts off their cocks. The truth is an elderly Dutchman is not going to get the warts sucked off his cock by an 18-year-old hot milkmaid in Rotterdam because she finds him handsome. If it happens, it will be for major money not love nor lust. Only the delusional think that the girls in the Philippines are somehow different and rearing to suck granddaddies' cocks because they are such charming and well-curated specimens.
A Pinay told me that Korean cocks are as hard as nails, and during a three-day stay in Subic, her Korean client fucked her so hard his cock tore her pussy. She had go to the emergency room to stop the bleeding and get stitches put in her pussy to repair the tear in vaginal wall. She swore that a big old half-limp Western cock on Viagra was easier to handle than a small but extremely hard and pointy Korean cock. She also mentioned that elderly Westerners fuck once or twice, dribble out some cum and sleep heavily for the rest of the night. On the other hand, Koreans were relentless fuck machines, and the girls can expect to be chicken fucked several times in a single night.
Some old Western mongers grieve for the halcyon days when they were not outcompeted by the younger fitter Korean mongers, as it is harder to delude themselves into thinking that the girls are actually attracted to them and it is not 100% business. The Pinays now want more money to fuck them and are less willing to keep up the GFE charade, as they run at the first opportunity. It is what it is.[/QUOTE]These stiff and hard Kock tales should be told over cocktails!
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[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2160916] The truth is an elderly Dutchman is not going to get the warts sucked off his cock by an 18-year-old hot milkmaid in Rotterdam because she finds him handsome.[/QUOTE]If you're referring to The Milkmaid, the painting by Johannes Vermeer: he was from Delft, not Rotterdam.
Just one of many inaccuracies in your stories.
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[QUOTE=Dg8787;2160872]You assume it is a man. So far it hasn't gotten any pussy. Sounds more like a wounded hurt scorned feline.[/QUOTE]I never thought of that! You might be right. An ugly feminist American dyke who can't get any pussy LOL.
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[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2160916]I agree that nationality does not matter, as the girls only care about the money. Anyway, most of them think that Holland is in the United States. It is amazing given the time that they spend online hitting up easy marks that they have such little regard for geography. As long as it is a cash dispensing walking penis, whether it is an old Dutchman or Chinaman is of no consequence. The fellas want to believe that those young girls love them and truly think they are handsome studs. If that were true, they would not have to give the girls money to suck the wrinkles out their balls and the warts off their cocks. The truth is an elderly Dutchman is not going to get the warts sucked off his cock by an 18-year-old hot milkmaid in Rotterdam because she finds him handsome. If it happens, it will be for major money not love nor lust. Only the delusional think that the girls in the Philippines are somehow different and rearing to suck granddaddies' cocks because they are such charming and well-curated specimens.[/QUOTE]One of the main reasons why elderly mongers come to the Philippines, is that pinays help them boost their ego at low cost. For them sex is not the goal in itself. How could it be a goal, if low libido at such age doesn't require more than a couple of fucks per week. Some of old mongers even have erectile dysfunction and are unable to fuck without vitamin V.
Psychologically speaking, being together with hot young girl, is a way to assert themselves, remove the stigma and get rid of the depression, caused by ageing. Simply put, it let them feel young again. They deliberately delude themselves, since it is always pleasant to fantasise, they are still males, who are capable to attract and satisfy females.
Of course they know the truth, but they don't like it, because it get them back to sad reality and make them feel miserable. When someone hits the nail on the head, it may cause irritation and frustration.
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Of course they know the truth, but they don't like it, because it get them back to sad reality and make them feel miserable. When someone hits the nail on the head, it may cause irritation and frustration.[/QUOTE]It's been a while since I have bothered to read one of your posts. You really should stop talking and posting about things of which you have a limited knowledge. Stick to what you know.
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So this forum is about Chatroom and PenPals, aka online romances and dating site techniques. How about we keep on topic?
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[QUOTE=Mogwai;2161113]If you're referring to The Milkmaid, the painting by Johannes Vermeer: he was from Delft, not Rotterdam.
Just one of many inaccuracies in your stories.[/QUOTE]To a Filipina, it's all American.
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[QUOTE=Tagalog2016;2161147]
Of course they know the truth, but they don't like it, because it get them back to sad reality and make them feel miserable. When someone hits the nail on the head, it may cause irritation and frustration.[/QUOTE]I guess hitting the nail on the head is difficult for a small child like you because you're not even close to the truth.
The same applies to CM, except that he is not a small child anymore but an old frustrated cynical retiree who made the big mistake of moving to the Phils after his retirement.
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Do thay ejaculate 10 times in a night?
Brother,
It is really interesting to have sex 10 -12 times in a night. Do they ejaculate every time? Mine is way to low. After 3rd round in the night I am out of load.
[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2160562]The Pinoys have the stamina for long duration fucking, and engage in it as circumstances allow. However, long fucks are not a priority for them, at least among the younger crowd. In America, twenty-something years-old men often use Viagra recreationally to engage in marathon fucking, this does not appear to be a thing for Pinoys in the same age group. When the girls brag about their Pinoy boyfriends' sexual prowess, it is more often about number of fucks and hardness of the cock. Apparently, whatever they lack in size they make up for in hardness. The girls refer to this extraordinary hardness as "stone cock. " They love when the young skinny boyfriend fucks them hard with his "stone cock. " To illustrate their lust for very hard cocks, I have attached a photo of an actual polished stone cock proudly displayed by a provincial Pinay. So much for the shyness, they pretend to have around us.
Another reason young Pinays prefer short fucks has to do with their living arrangements. Most of them live with their family or extended relations, and privacy is fleeting. When fucking in the familial residence, Bush, or dorm, short time is best to avoid discovery during the act. Couples reserve long fucks for special occasions when a financial windfall allows them to book a room at a Sogo Hotel. Filipinos with relatively well-paid jobs and young mistresses are more likely to use hot sheet hotels on a regular basis.[/QUOTE]
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Up your game!
[QUOTE=Khekada;2162592]Brother,
It is really interesting to have sex 10 -12 times in a night. Do they ejaculate every time? Mine is way to low. After 3rd round in the night I am out of load.[/QUOTE]Khekada, you will have to do much better than 3 rounds a night if you want your Filipina girlfriend or wife to remain loyal to you. If you are out of load after a mere 3 rounds, I suggest you avoid alcohol and shun cigarettes. Here are some things you should be doing to increase your load:
Drink at least 2 to 3 liters of water each day, especially when prowling the hot streets hunting fuck meat.
Keep your balls cool, avoid sitting on hot surfaces and go commando or wear loose fitting underwear.
Never beat your meat.
Supplement your diet with a combination of zinc and folic acid.
Take amino acid supplements, specifically L-Arginine, L-Lysine or L-Carnitine.
Eat a plant-based diet with large amounts of antioxidant-rich fruits and vegetables.
Exercise your pubococcygeus muscles with Kegel exercises.
Practice good sleep hygiene.
This will help you increase your load so you can shoot pearl ropes more than 3 times a night. You may also want learn some tantric sex techniques to conserve your load during threesomes and foursomes. Remember the Filipino boyfriends are lean roosters 18 to 26-years-old. They have no problem belting out a half-score to a dozen cream pies in a night. This is the main reason why the majority of Pinays who fuck foreigners bareback still end up pregnant with a baby from their Pinoy boyfriend. If you do not want to look weak, you should not give the girls anything less than half-dozen cream pies in a night. However, if you are a strictly P4 P fella or primarily on a business trip with a full schedule, 3 loads a night with a bar girl before turning in for an early morning is not going to ruin your reputation.
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[QUOTE=Tagalog2016;2161147]One of the main reasons why elderly mongers come to the Philippines, is that pinays help them boost their ego at low cost. For them sex is not the goal in itself. How could it be a goal, if low libido at such age doesn't require more than a couple of fucks per week. Some of old mongers even have erectile dysfunction and are unable to fuck without vitamin V..[/QUOTE]That is a good point. Western societies place a high value on youth and vitality. Westerners are obsessed with new things, new iPhones every year and, for those who can afford it or do not mind rolling over loans, new cars. Old men are not immune from being replaced with the newest version, at work and in personal relationships. As the recent spate of hot schoolmistresses banging schoolboys show, Western women prefer young studs.
After hitting 50 years of age, a man sexual function falls off a cliff. For those who drink alcohol excessively, chain smoke, and do not exercise, the affliction of a limp dick comes even faster. Approximately, 26% of men ages 50 to 59 will have a limp dick and another 40% will have a limp dick between ages 60 to 69.
[URL]https://www.webmd.com/erectile-dysfunction/news/20030804/erectile-dysfunction-common-with-age[/URL]
Therefore, most oldie mongers are not in the Philippines to fuck hard-bodied 18-21-years-old Pinays. It is more the cheap thrill and ego boost that comes from chatting with and performing cunnilingus on such girls. They cannot approach young women in their homeland without risking the label of "creepy old men" and possibly becoming the subject of a police report.
In fact, their own circle of family back home would disapprove of their sexual activities. Their families would probably wag fingers at grandpa while scolding him with terms like "dirty old man, pervert, sicko, and creepy. " They find the idea of grandpa greedily sucking fresh young Asiatic tits and twats utterly revolting. In the West, old men are not supposed to fuck, want to fuck or speak of fucking. The Philippines gives them a Neverland to escape to, where with a bit of help from Viagra they become Lost Boys chasing Tinker Bell. Unfortunately, some start believing that the illusions in Neverland are real and Tinker Bell really enjoys having fat old Lost Boys knock the fairy dust out of her.
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[QUOTE=Khekada;2162592]Brother,
It is really interesting to have sex 10 -12 times in a night. Do they ejaculate every time? Mine is way to low. After 3rd round in the night I am out of load.[/QUOTE]Brother,
Being out of load after 3 rounds is normal, even when you're still young. Don't believe the bullshit that ChochaMonger and some other trolls are posting.
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[QUOTE=Khekada;2162592]Brother,
It is really interesting to have sex 10 -12 times in a night. Do they ejaculate every time? Mine is way to low. After 3rd round in the night I am out of load.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Mogwai;2162990]Brother,
Being out of load after 3 rounds is normal, even when you're still young. Don't believe the bullshit that ChochaMonger and some other trolls are posting.[/QUOTE]It's pretty normal for western guys, but that is not what young horny pinays get used to.
I agree with Chocha Monger, that you should adopt healthy lifestyle to be in your prime. Don't use Viagra, since you won't amaze your Filipina anyway, but can get psychological dependence on pills instead.
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[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2162753], you should not give the girls anything less than half-dozen cream pies in a night. However, if you are a strictly P4 P fella or primarily on a business trip with a full schedule, 3 loads a night with a bar girl before turning in for an early morning is not going to ruin your reputation.[/QUOTE]Sounds like false bravado to me, CM. Three times / night is standard for this 62 year old slightly overweight but still in good shape, beer loving, meat-eating, good looking, Viagra induced old goat. In addition to your suggested regimen I would recommend Peruvian maca root for jizz production. Works for me.
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[QUOTE=Tagalog2016;2163033]It's pretty normal for western guys, but that is not what young horny pinays get used to.
I agree with Chocha Monger, that you should adopt healthy lifestyle to be in your prime. Don't use Viagra, since you won't amaze your Filipina anyway, but can get psychological dependence on pills instead.[/QUOTE]It might be normal for a 60-year-old out of shape Dutchman to be out of load after 3 fucks. However, I guarantee that the 18 to 26-year-old USA Marines, who rotate through AC every six months, are not out of load after 3 fucks with a Pinay. The bar girls know it all too well. The ones who do not like being fucked hard 8 to 12 times a night by a young buck with rippling abs and bulging biceps suddenly go on their period when those fellas enter the bar. At that age and level of fitness, it is common to stay hard after shooting a load and keep right on fucking without taking a breather.
Any monger who started fucking in his teens through twenties knows that 3 loads is just the warm up before the real fucking starts for a young man. Due to obesity and hormonal disorders, some fellas have limp dicks or can only manage 3 loads in a night during their twenties, but this is not normal. Having to rely on Viagra to get ones dick up is not normal. It is the result of years of cigarette smoking, alcoholism, bad diet, lack of exercise, and psychological disorders.
Old men experience low libidos and decreased sexual function. The volume of cum a man ejaculates decreases with age. Hence, it is normal for them to be three-shooters and take naps after they dribble out a load. However, just because an oldie shoots powder on his third round and is out of action for the next few days, does not mean this is normal for young healthy men without a potbelly.
In fact, there was Norwegian fella who dominated the photo gallery a few years ago. He was in his 40's and managed to shoot well in excess of 3 loads per day. He used to cream pie at least 6 Filipina pussies each day using a variety of social media to invite them to his hotel for a hard fuck. Therefore, if a fella in his 40's who was always drunk on vodka was able to cream pie at least 6 Filipina pussies, it should not be amazing that fit young Pinoys half his age can deliver double the number of loads.
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A post actually related to chat room and penpals!
On PinayLove, I found several AC gals with photos taken at the same location. All are slim. One lady told me the photo was taken at a "friend's house". Anyone else notice this? I had planned to solve the mystery last month when I was in AC, but one gal flaked out on me and another suggested a 3 k fee. So, I didn't meet either of them.
Has anyone used the service connected to "[URL]loveme.com[/URL]"? They do a great job of taking sexy pictures. Too good to be true?
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[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2163202]It might be normal for a 60-year-old out of shape Dutchman to be out of load after 3 fucks. However, I guarantee that the 18 to 26-year-old USA Marines, who rotate through AC every six months, are not out of load after 3 fucks with a Pinay. The bar girls know it all too well. The ones who do not like being fucked hard 8 to 12 times a night by a young buck with rippling abs and bulging biceps suddenly go on their period when those fellas enter the bar. At that age and level of fitness, it is common to stay hard after shooting a load and keep right on fucking without taking a breather.
[/QUOTE]Yes, you are right, that we have to take into consideration the age of a monger, when we talk about number of fucks, he is capable to perform. And indeed, for a young man in his prime 3 fucks per day is below the average result.
However as man gets older, he gradually loses his endurance, meaning that one day he is still capable to root incredibly hot girl 4-6 times, but he is unable to repeat his feat on the daily basis, as when he was young. The next stage is decrease of a maximum possible number of coitus, accompanied with decrease of a frequency of his needs for sex. And so on and so forth, ending with elderly perverts, who use artificial dick to fuck, or to be fucked by a young girl. LOL.
So when we talk in general about average Western man, without specifying the age, environment, and whether it was one-time feat, or what he is used to perform daily, 3 times per day is an average result for an average Western monger. In fact, an average number of fucks for a man who just fucks with his long term partner is significantly lower than such result for a man, who fucks multiple girls.
Of course young horny pinays are get used to fuck with their pinoy peers, who fuck like rabbits, so 3 times per day with Viagra powered oldie seem not enough for them. They are not going to give him any rebate for his age. If it's not enough for them, they won't bear, and will fuck with others.
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Thnks brother for the detailed explanation and showing way to recover. Just to clarify, I am nearing 50 in age. (47 to be specific) a bit obsess but in general healthy man. I do not drink beer in loads and never smoke. By the term "Out of load" I mean, I can stay hard but can not ejaculate. Need a rest of few hours and Can go again. But considering your info on 10-12 shoots a night, it is way to low. I need to improve.
Regards.
[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2162755]That is a good point. Western societies place a high value on youth and vitality. Westerners are obsessed with new things, new iPhones every year and, for those who can afford it or do not mind rolling over loans, new cars. Old men are not immune from being replaced with the newest version, at work and in personal relationships. As the recent spate of hot schoolmistresses banging schoolboys show, Western women prefer young studs.
After hitting 50 years of age, a man sexual function falls off a cliff. For those who drink alcohol excessively, chain smoke, and do not exercise, the affliction of a limp dick comes even faster. Approximately, 26% of men ages 50 to 59 will have a limp dick and another 40% will have a limp dick between ages 60 to 69.
[URL]https://www.webmd.com/erectile-dysfunction/news/20030804/erectile-dysfunction-common-with-age[/URL].[/QUOTE]
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Please pay attention to what thread you are in.
Isn't there any better thread to move this to? You are basically communicating about men and how much they cum depending on age and whatever.
ISG is supposed to be about men enjoying women. And this thread is supposed to be about online chatting as a way to get women.
Please move this conversation somewhere more appropriate. X Man.
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Chatroom pervs, Pinays, and plastic phalli.
[QUOTE=Tagalog2016;2163429]Yes, you are right, that we have to take into consideration the age of a monger, when we talk about number of fucks, he is capable to perform. And indeed, for a young man in his prime 3 fucks per day is below the average result.
However as man gets older, he gradually loses his endurance, meaning that one day he is still capable to root incredibly hot girl 4-6 times, but he is unable to repeat his feat on the daily basis, as when he was young. The next stage is decrease of a maximum possible number of coitus, accompanied with decrease of a frequency of his needs for sex. And so on and so forth, ending with elderly perverts, who use artificial dick to fuck, or to be fucked by a young girl. LOL..[/QUOTE]Interestingly, not only the elderly perverts are into using artificial plastic cocks to fuck the girls. Many middle-aged men enslaved in dead end jobs with two weeks annual parole take to internet chat rooms and cam sites, where they pay Pinays to fuck themselves with plastic cocks, beer bottles, ripe bananas, eggplants, sea cucumbers and all manner of perverted things. The men rub one out all over their keyboards as they give the Pinays instructions on which hole to stick fruits, veggies, and artificial phalluses into for their amusement. There is an entire cottage industry worth billions of pesos built around this in the Philippines.
In fact, many of the hottest Pinays doing sex work online never meet foreign mongers in person. They make more money fucking themselves online with false cocks for the amusement of mongers who just want to send money and jerk off. Many of the chat room fellas do not have the financial resources to travel to the Philippines; some cannot fuck due to chronic medical conditions, while others suffer from severe social anxiety or agoraphobia. Many foreigners have recognized the lucrative nature of the industry catering to the needs of chat-room perverts who just want to show the girls their cocks as they whack off and talk dirty. LE caught several of these entrepreneurs running cam sites in the Philippines and the authorities gave them very stiff penalties. However, any Pinay with a smartphone and a social media account can get elderly and middle-aged perverts to pay her to fuck a banana on cam.
Then there are the fellas who travel with a bag of artificial dicks and lubricants meant for the girls to fuck them with, in a practice known as pegging. The girls ram vibrators up the old fellas' asses to massage their grapefruit-sized prostates and provoke an ejaculation.
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Security Guard Hottie
I'm in cebu at a nice airbnb condo. There's a new security guard who is very cute and very doable, though I never mess with the staff at the hotel / condo I'm at. I have talked her up a bit just to be friendly. Well, last night I was heading out and out of the blue she wags her finger at me and says she saw me on PL. She's got a real mischievous smile on while she says it. I'm not pursuing it but it's a good reminder to be extra careful.
For example, one of my girls was chatting with this same security guard a few days prior while waiting for a taxi after seeing me. My girl tells me she is so happy that the guard told her she is the only girl she ever sees with me. That was before the guard saw me on PL of course.
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[QUOTE=MangoKing;2165786]I'm in cebu at a nice airbnb condo. There's a new security guard who is very cute and very doable, though I never mess with the staff at the hotel / condo I'm at. I have talked her up a bit just to be friendly. Well, last night I was heading out and out of the blue she wags her finger at me and says she saw me on PL. She's got a real mischievous smile on while she says it. I'm not pursuing it but it's a good reminder to be extra careful.
For example, one of my girls was chatting with this same security guard a few days prior while waiting for a taxi after seeing me. My girl tells me she is so happy that the guard told her she is the only girl she ever sees with me. That was before the guard saw me on PL of course.[/QUOTE]What does a security guard make? PHP 7,500 per month? No wonder she is after some western cock to supplement her income. She's seen how easy it is to hook a foreigner on PL and can't wait to try it herself. Grab her number and fuck her after you have checked into some place else. She will be grateful for the PHP 2,000 taxi money you slip into her fake Louis Vuitton purse.
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[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2165841]What does a security guard make? PHP 7,500 per month? No wonder she is after some western cock to supplement her income. She's seen how easy it is to hook a foreigner on PL and can't wait to try it herself. Grab her number and fuck her after you have checked into some place else. She will be grateful for the PHP 2,000 taxi money you slip into her fake Louis Vuitton purse.[/QUOTE]2000 pesos is too much. I think, that fellow mongers should never give more than P1500 to a girl from dating site, who resides in Metro Manila. Some of them are happy even with P1000. Actually, many girls from dating sites can be easily fucked for free, if you are not too old and can allow some time to court her.
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[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2165841]What does a security guard make? PHP 7,500 per month? No wonder she is after some western cock to supplement her income. She's seen how easy it is to hook a foreigner on PL and can't wait to try it herself. Grab her number and fuck her after you have checked into some place else. She will be grateful for the PHP 2,000 taxi money you slip into her fake Louis Vuitton purse.[/QUOTE]If I had time I would. Fortunately I have a fully roster so don't need to go through the extra trouble. I also plan to come back to same condo in the future so best to avoid awkward looks when I bring a girl back next time.
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Online gal.
Had several online contacts in AC. I quickly lost interest in the pre-trip top two. One wanted a large sum of Pesos and another seemed happy with endless text messages. So it was a relief when one of the newer contacts came right out and said she wanted to meet me. No endless texting back and forth. She showed up as directed. I hadn't had much time to vet her so we went to a nearby coffee shop and had a chat. Apparently she works at one of the Clark sweatshops. She was doable and some light touching seemed to indicate she was game. After I paid my bill we went directly to my room. I never asked her if she would like to go to the room, but she never hesitated either. And by the time I had closed and locked the door she was relaxing on the bed.
Things progressed from there. If I had seen here in a bar in a bikini, I probably wouldn't have barfined her. But she was in my bed, not in a bikini bar. She had a good BJ technique. Later during MISH I asked her where I should cum. She said outside. I suggested the deposit be in her mouth and she agreed. I didn't expect that.
When the time came for said deposit to be expelled, I pulled out, got on my knees, and dangled my dangler in her face. At this point I expected her to squeeze her mouth and eyes shut and allow me to finish up on her chest and face. Wow, was I wrong. She raised her head up and engulfed the dangler fully in her mouth as I let off the first squirt. She hadn't gagged or flinched at all as I finally pulled out. Still on my knees above her, a few final drops ended up on her breasts. I reached over and grabbed a wad of tissue. I expected her to spit up into the tissue, but instead she wiped up the drops. Hmmm. I suggested a shower. As we walk into the bathroom I look at her and asked her if she had swallowed. She didn't reply, which of course answered my question. As I stepped into the shower she quietly spit my spunk into the sink. Priceless. You got to love a gal who has the good manners to treat your love juice with the respect it deserves.
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[QUOTE=Goferring;2147823]So, after being the flag waver for online P2 P I hit a snag when I arrived in Davao. Looking back I think I made two fundamental errors.
Day 1. Numerous "text me when you arrive" mysteriously vanished and I couldn't raise the dead. One target did take the bait and agree to come over at noon. She arrived and clearly the photos were 20 lb ago but no way was I crashing out two days in a row!! Back to the room and "I'm a good girl", talk, talk, talk, yap, yap, yap. Finally got to stuff something in her mouth to quieten her down. Thankfully, not a bad performer so that settled the nerves a little. She left with 1000 p taxi money.
[/QUOTE]How you break her (said to her) from ""I'm a good girl", talk, talk, talk, yap, yap, yap" and she start performing. What makes the deal to start to happen?
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[QUOTE=Tagalog2016;2147529]Just always remember that the percentage of good honest Filipinos is really very very low. So you guys, shouldn't fool yourself regarding good pinays. Just be realistic and cynic and try to analyze your so called relationship soberly. 99 % of pinays are sl#ts and you should always keep that axiom in your mind, no matter what they do and how they behave. Anyway their final target is your money.
First of all if you are old and she is young don't expect any feelings from her side, no matter what she .......I might sound cynic, but that is how things go in Philippines. I don't mean, you should behave yourself like a trash with a girl. No way. Always be a man, stay gallant, polite and respectful. Just never give money to your pinay GF. It is a privilege for her to eat good food at a restaurant, to sleep at a good air conditioned room, to travel with you perhaps. That is more than enough. You let her feel princess, and she gives you her pussy. That is a deal between you and her, which is called "relationship".[/QUOTE]So far every single girl that I meet in DIA or pinalove, even the ones that said they wish only serious, they no need my money, they wish love not a bank, etc, once they delivered the goods in person or in cam, they start asking for money. Not limited to PH but also from India and Malaysia.
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[QUOTE=Member#1088;2167678]How you break her (said to her) from ""I'm a good girl", talk, talk, talk, yap, yap, yap" and she start performing. What makes the deal to start to happen?[/QUOTE]I don't remember that specific girl but generally I either sat next to her on the bed and kissed her and went from there. A couple I asked specifically if they were ok to have some "fun" while they were here.
I only had one knock back in once in the room which was detailed in my Part 2 Report. Sadly she was the hottest of my time in Davao.
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[QUOTE=Member#1088;2167680]So far every single girl that I meet in DIA or pinalove, even the ones that said they wish only serious, they no need my money, they wish love not a bank, etc, once they delivered the goods in person or in cam, they start asking for money. Not limited to PH but also from India and Malaysia.[/QUOTE]That's a mindset of most Pinays, who search for a foreigner on a dating site. They desperately crave for your money, no matter what they say, or how they behave. That is their ultimate goal.
That is why you shouldn't take too seriously what they used to say about themselves. A girl, who says, she wants serious relationship only, will probably suck your dick and let you fuck her bareback on a first date. She clearly knows, that she can influence you through your cock. If she did it with you, she behaves like that with everyone, not to mention multiple local BFs, who fuck her for free. Would you want such a wife or girlfriend, who doesn't mind to get laid with a random stranger right away?
That said, sometimes you can get some information about a girl by self-description they post on a dating site.
If it's written, that she is "tired of lie and betrayal from western men", it should be read as some mongers banged her for free, whereas she expected them to pay for sex, or to provide her on a long term basis.
If she says, she is looking for older guy, since she is disappointed in younger guys, it means she is looking for sugar daddy sponsor solely, because no way any young girl would enjoy beer belly, flabby butt, grey hair, wrinkles and half limp dick.
When she says, she is "happy single mom", it means she desperately needs walking ATM to provide her child. Such women are considered as second best in Philippines, since no one of sane Pinoys would feed another man's children.
If a girl puts a picture where she is swimming in the hotel's swimming pool, or you can see any upscale decorations on the background of a picture, such photos most probably were taken in a foreigner's place. It means, she is not a newbie in dealing with western mongers.
Girls, who don't mention serious relationship, or love in their self-description, or put their phone number / skype ID, etc, are freelance prostitutes, who expect to be paid right after sex, so you could negotiate her fee without further ado.
Some say, they are "genuine woman", which mean they obviously look like ladyboys and are often asked to prove their gender.
Phrase "accept me as I am" means she used to cheat guys, or she has Pinoy husband, but anyway she wants to find a fool, who will tolerate this BS and will provide her, despite she is a trash.
Words "love is priceless", "I want to find a guy, who will love only me" refer to a man solely, but it doesn't mean, that she is going to be faithful to him in return.
One of the most weird and frequently used phrases is "I am simple person", which most often is used to describe their financial situation. "Simple" means "broke" in such context. Sometimes they combine word "simple" with incompatible phrases within the meaning. For example, "I am a simple girl, who likes traveling". It means, I am a pauper girl, but if someone will invite me to join him within his holiday, I am not against to wake him up by sucking his dick every single morning, if he will pay for a journey.
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[QUOTE=Tagalog2016;2167923]That's a mindset of most Pinays, who search for a foreigner on a dating site. They desperately crave for your money, no matter what they say, or how they behave. That is their ultimate goal.
That is why you shouldn't take too seriously what they used to say about themselves. A girl, who says, she wants serious relationship only, will probably suck your dick and let you fuck her bareback on a first date. She clearly knows, that she can influence you through your cock. If she did it with you, she behaves like that with everyone, not to mention multiple local BFs, who fuck her for free. Would you want such a wife or girlfriend, who doesn't mind to get laid with a random stranger right away?
That said, sometimes you can get some information about a girl by self-description they post on a dating site.
If it's written, that she is "tired of lie and betrayal from western men", it should be read as some mongers banged her for free, whereas she expected them to pay for sex, or to provide her on a long term basis.
If she says, she is looking for older guy, since she is disappointed in younger guys, it means she is looking for sugar daddy sponsor solely, because no way any young girl would enjoy beer belly, flabby butt, grey hair, wrinkles and half limp dick.
When she says, she is "happy single mom", it means she desperately needs walking ATM to provide her child. Such women are considered as second best in Philippines, since no one of sane Pinoys would feed another man's children.
If a girl puts a picture where she is swimming in the hotel's swimming pool, or you can see any upscale decorations on the background of a picture, such photos most probably were taken in a foreigner's place. It means, she is not a newbie in dealing with western mongers.
Girls, who don't mention serious relationship, or love in their self-description, or put their phone number / skype ID, etc, are freelance prostitutes, who expect to be paid right after sex, so you could negotiate her fee without further ado.
Some say, they are "genuine woman", which mean they obviously look like ladyboys and are often asked to prove their gender.
Phrase "accept me as I am" means she used to cheat guys, or she has Pinoy husband, but anyway she wants to find a fool, who will tolerate this BS and will provide her, despite she is a trash.
Words "love is priceless", "I want to find a guy, who will love only me" refer to a man solely, but it doesn't mean, that she is going to be faithful to him in return.
One of the most weird and frequently used phrases is "I am simple person", which most often is used to describe their financial situation. "Simple" means "broke" in such context. Sometimes they combine word "simple" with incompatible phrases within the meaning. For example, "I am a simple girl, who likes traveling". It means, I am a pauper girl, but if someone will invite me to join him within his holiday, I am not against to wake him up by sucking his dick every single morning, if he will pay for a journey.[/QUOTE]At less she is honest with her goal and purpose.
[URL]https://www.pinalove.com/AshleyForYou2018[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Member#1088;2167680]So far every single girl that I meet in DIA or pinalove, even the ones that said they wish only serious, they no need my money, they wish love not a bank, etc, once they delivered the goods in person or in cam, they start asking for money. Not limited to PH but also from India and Malaysia.[/QUOTE]Girls know they get money if they meet foreigners and have sex. Irrespective of what they say in their profiles " looking for etc" they would meet and have no qualms of giving sex most of the time unless they really do not like you.
Most of us go for fun. It is natural for some people to go look for love because they cannot get the attention at home countries. If girls are rich they will never go with anybody much older.
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[QUOTE=Tagalog2016;2167923]That's a mindset of most Pinays, who search for a foreigner on a dating site. They desperately crave for your money, no matter what they say, or how they behave. That is their ultimate goal.[/QUOTE]Your posts and rants are becoming kind of boring and repetitive. Your text reads that you are disgruntled and jealous that these girls are able to get our money so easily, yet pinoy cannot enjoy our cash....filipino men have very little to offer.
You may not understand that it is our hard earned money and we can choose to spend it how we like.
The money that we spend to satisfy ourselves by having a cute filipina to pleasure us, that money wouldn't even buy us a cup of coffee in our home country. If the girl suits me, I'm happy to pay her. Whether she has a fiipina BF for free I don't care.
The biggest advantage that foreign mongers have is spare cash plus an option to live here or leave. We come from the land of plenty.
If we like a deal we pay it. If not, Next.
BD.
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[QUOTE=BrainDrain;2168288]Your posts and rants are becoming kind of boring and repetitive. Your text reads that you are disgruntled and jealous that these girls are able to get our money so easily, yet pinoy cannot enjoy our cash....filipino men have very little to offer.
You may not understand that it is our hard earned money and we can choose to spend it how we like.[/QUOTE]Where did he ever say not to buy pussy in PI? From what I have read all he has done is warn guys about the pitfalls of getting involved with a Filipina and how to recognize them. And he seems to be a specialist at it. What is so wrong with that?
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[QUOTE=Tagalog2016;2167923]That's a mindset of most Pinays, who search for a foreigner on a dating site. They desperately crave for your money, no matter what they say, or how they behave. That is their ultimate goal.
That is why you shouldn't take too seriously what they used to say about themselves. A girl, who says, she wants serious relationship only, will probably suck your dick and let you fuck her bareback on a first date. She clearly knows, that she can influence you through your cock. If she did it with you, she behaves like that with everyone, not to mention multiple local BFs, who fuck her for free. Would you want such a wife or girlfriend, who doesn't mind to get laid with a random stranger right away?
That said, sometimes you can get some information about a girl by self-description they post on a dating site.
If it's written, that she is "tired of lie and betrayal from western men", it should be read as some mongers banged her for free, whereas she expected them to pay for sex, or to provide her on a long term basis.
If she says, she is looking for older guy, since she is disappointed in younger guys, it means she is looking for sugar daddy sponsor solely, because no way any young girl would enjoy beer belly, flabby butt, grey hair, wrinkles and half limp dick.
When she says, she is "happy single mom", it means she desperately needs walking ATM to provide her child. Such women are considered as second best in Philippines, since no one of sane Pinoys would feed another man's children.
If a girl puts a picture where she is swimming in the hotel's swimming pool, or you can see any upscale decorations on the background of a picture, such photos most probably were taken in a foreigner's place. It means, she is not a newbie in dealing with western mongers.
Girls, who don't mention serious relationship, or love in their self-description, or put their phone number / skype ID, etc, are freelance prostitutes, who expect to be paid right after sex, so you could negotiate her fee without further ado.
Some say, they are "genuine woman", which mean they obviously look like ladyboys and are often asked to prove their gender.
Phrase "accept me as I am" means she used to cheat guys, or she has Pinoy husband, but anyway she wants to find a fool, who will tolerate this BS and will provide her, despite she is a trash.
Words "love is priceless", "I want to find a guy, who will love only me" refer to a man solely, but it doesn't mean, that she is going to be faithful to him in return.
One of the most weird and frequently used phrases is "I am simple person", which most often is used to describe their financial situation. "Simple" means "broke" in such context. Sometimes they combine word "simple" with incompatible phrases within the meaning. For example, "I am a simple girl, who likes traveling". It means, I am a pauper girl, but if someone will invite me to join him within his holiday, I am not against to wake him up by sucking his dick every single morning, if he will pay for a journey.[/QUOTE]Brilliant post! A lot of wisdom here.
I love this one:
"When she says, she is "happy single mom", it means she desperately needs walking ATM to provide her child. Such women are considered as second best in Philippines, since no one of sane Pinoys would feed another man's children. ".
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[QUOTE=Amjeck;2168343]Brilliant post! A lot of wisdom here.
I love this one:
"When she says, she is "happy single mom", it means she desperately needs walking ATM to provide her child. Such women are considered as second best in Philippines, since no one of sane Pinoys would feed another man's children. ".[/QUOTE]Hmm, yeah. The same 'sane' Pinoys that have knocked up girls themselves and left them.
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[QUOTE=Tagalog2016;2167923]
Phrase "accept me as I am" means she used to cheat guys, or she has Pinoy husband, but anyway she wants to find a fool, who will tolerate this BS and will provide her, despite she is a trash.
[/QUOTE]"Accept me as I am" is often used by ladyboys.
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[QUOTE=Tagalog2016;2167923]
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If a girl puts a picture where she is swimming in the hotel's swimming pool, or you can see any upscale decorations on the background of a picture, such photos most probably were taken in a foreigner's place. It means, she is not a newbie in dealing with western mongers.
[/QUOTE]I know you said "probably" in your definitive statement, but this need not mean the photos were taken "in a foreigner's place".
I was recently a co-presenter in a forum at which a senior tourist official stated that more than 80% of annual tourism data involved local filipinos travelling. Less than 20% of hotel occupancies in the Philippines were foreigners.
I travel regularly around the Philippines for business and in virtually EVERY hotel, the overwhelming numbers of people at breakfast are filipinos. Recently at a major hotel in Baguio I was the ONLY foreigner in a packed breakfast room. In Marco Polo hotel (a 5-star hotel) in Davao in January, I went for a swim at 6 pm on a Tuesday evening and the pool was filled with filipino families.
Check out this excerpt from the Inquirer today, April 17,2018.
"The thriving domestic tourism, fueled by millennial spending and the growing popularity of staycations helps sustain hotel occupancy in Metro Manila. This compels developers to build more three- and four-star hotels in Metro Manila and other urban areas outside the capital, Bondoc said.
Colliers said the growth in domestic tourism is being fueled by millennials with Filipinos aged 15 to 34 accounting for more than half of the 42.1 million domestic travelers recorded from April to September 2016. Citing figures from the DOT, Colliers said local travelers made a total of 91.2 million trips during the period under review".
You can extrapolate from this narrative that photos of a pinay in a hotel or hotel pool need not necessarily mean that she has been in a "foreigner's place". Millennials alone account for around half of the domestic tourism market.
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20% of hotel occupancies in the Philippines were foreigners.
20% of hotel occupancy by foreigners is a really big thing for any country in the world.
I know you said "probably" in your definitive statement, but this need not mean the photos were taken "in a foreigner's place".
I was recently a co-presenter in a forum at which a senior tourist official stated that more than 80% of annual tourism data involved local filipinos travelling. Less than 20% of hotel occupancies in the Philippines were foreigners.
I travel regularly around the Philippines for business and in virtually every hotel, the overwhelming numbers of people at breakfast are Filipinos. Recently at a major hotel in Baguio I was the only foreigner in a packed breakfast room. In Marco Polo hotel (a 5-star hotel) in Davao in January, I went for a swim at 6 pm on a Tuesday evening and the pool was filled with Filipino families.
Check out this excerpt from the Inquirer today, April 17,2018.
"The thriving domestic tourism, fuelled by millennial spending and the growing popularity of staycations helps sustain hotel occupancy in Metro Manila. This compels developers to build more three- and four-star hotels in Metro Manila and other urban areas outside the capital, Bondoc said.
Colliers said the growth in domestic tourism is being fuelled by millennials with Filipinos aged 15 to 34 accounting for more than half of the 42.1 million domestic travelers recorded from April to September 2016. Citing figures from the DOT, Colliers said local travelers made a total of 91.2 million trips during the period under review".
You can extrapolate from this narrative that photos of a pinay in a hotel or hotel pool need not necessarily mean that she has been in a "foreigner's place". Millennials alone account for around half of the domestic tourism market.
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[QUOTE=RedKilt;2168451]I know you said "probably" in your definitive statement, but this need not mean the photos were taken "in a foreigner's place".
I was recently a co-presenter in a forum at which a senior tourist official stated that more than 80% of annual tourism data involved local filipinos travelling. Less than 20% of hotel occupancies in the Philippines were foreigners.[/QUOTE]I would agree with this, however it is also important to add that this is not the demograpic that we are dealing with on Date in Asia, etc. Most of those chicks can't afford transportation to your hotel, much less traveling and staying at a fancy place. When traveling around PI most locals that I see at breakfast in the hotels are older couples, not 20 year olds chicks by themselves as depicted in said photos. Easy enough mystery to solve though if she can produce photos of her with her friends at the same location. You know they always take group pics when they are with friends. No group pics? Yeah I vote that she was with the foreigner!
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[QUOTE=RedKilt;2168451]You can extrapolate from this narrative that photos of a pinay in a hotel or hotel pool need not necessarily mean that she has been in a "foreigner's place". Millennials alone account for around half of the domestic tourism market.[/QUOTE]I agree, that Filipinos do travel a lot, and that is indisputable fact. However, I would say, that the majority of girls from dating sites belong to a lower social class, who either can't afford to travel at all, or at least can't afford fancy hotels with swimming pools and beachside locations.
Of course some of them still travel, but they mostly do it local style, when they stay at their friend's, or relative's houses, or choose low end hotels, such as dormitories, or when 4 persons stay at one room, etc. So I still think my observation is relevant.
Also you mentioned Filipino families, and that is truth, that most of well off Pinoys prefer to travel with families. When you spot occasional small group of single young Pinays at high class hotel, they are most probably sent there by their long distance old foreign sponsors, who can't join them in person for some reason.
[QUOTE=Mogwai;2168378]"Accept me as I am" is often used by ladyboys.[/QUOTE]Yes, also it can mean, that he is ladyboy. I just mentioned first things, that came into my mind and my list is far from complete.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2168462]I would agree with this, however it is also important to add that this is not the demograpic that we are dealing with on Date in Asia, etc. Most of those chicks can't afford transportation to your hotel, much less traveling and staying at a fancy place. When traveling around PI most locals that I see at breakfast in the hotels are older couples, not 20 year olds chicks by themselves as depicted in said photos. Easy enough mystery to solve though if she can produce photos of her with her friends at the same location. You know they always take group pics when they are with friends. No group pics? Yeah I vote that she was with the foreigner![/QUOTE]I agree with your theory Mr E but the OP was giving a sure-fire way to deduce if a girl was a P4P
and he suggested that you could tell from the background in her pics. I suggested that this is NOT a fail-safe system.
My post listed the statistic that 50% of domestic travellers are those aged 15 - 34 which is very much within the age range most mongers are pursuing (18 yo notwithstanding of course). There is a large group of millennials in the work force (especially the call center group) who have disposable income to afford weekend trips (especially when they stay 4 and 5 to a room). Whilst many of the DIA / Pinalove crew may not have much income, I am sure there is a sizeable group on these chat sites who can afford it.
My bottom line: A photo of a girl swimming in a pool or in otherwise nice hotel surroundings does not automatically mean that she is there with a foreigner.
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[QUOTE=BrainDrain;2168288]Your posts and rants are becoming kind of boring and repetitive. Your text reads that you are disgruntled and jealous that these girls are able to get our money so easily, yet pinoy cannot enjoy our cash....filipino men have very little to offer.
You may not understand that it is our hard earned money and we can choose to spend it how we like.
The money that we spend to satisfy ourselves by having a cute filipina to pleasure us, that money wouldn't even buy us a cup of coffee in our home country. If the girl suits me, I'm happy to pay her. Whether she has a fiipina BF for free I don't care.
The biggest advantage that foreign mongers have is spare cash plus an option to live here or leave. We come from the land of plenty.
If we like a deal we pay it. If not, Next.
BD.[/QUOTE]One more negative Nellie in Philly. LOL. BD you are so right. There are us who enjoy what PH has to offer and spend our money as we please. As I have said, if you didn't help me make my money then don't tell me how to spend my money.
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Low quality.
[QUOTE=Tagalog2016;2168465]I agree, that Filipinos do travel a lot, and that is indisputable fact. However, I would say, that the majority of girls from dating sites belong to a lower social class, who either can't afford to travel at all, or at least can't afford fancy hotels with swimming pools and beachside locations.
Of course some of them still travel, but they mostly do it local style, when they stay at their friend's, or relative's houses, or choose low end hotels, such as dormitories, or when 4 persons stay at one room, etc. So I still think my observation is relevant.
Also you mentioned Filipino families, and that is truth, that most of well off Pinoys prefer to travel with families. When you spot occasional small group of single young Pinays at high class hotel, they are most probably sent there by their long distance old foreign sponsors, who can't join them in person for some reason.[/QUOTE]Usually the old foreign sponsor is unaware that the girl spent his money on hotel rooms, as the girl told him the money was for college tuition, medical expenses, natural disaster recovery, feeding starving family, etc. The girls working the dating sites are invariably trash looking to get money from foreigners. Some will show up and fuck the foreigner in his hotel first to influence him through his penis, as they can get much more out of him that way. Other girls are standoff con artists, they persuade the old foreigner to send them money, as they are in an imaginary long-distance relationship. Many of these old love scam victims arrive at the international airport to find that their online girlfriend stood them up and no longer responds to their texts and calls. Some years ago, a Frenchman went bananas when his long-distance Filipina sweetheart left him with a hard on and bouquet of roses at NAIA, and airport authorities had to tranquilize him to put an end to his rampage.
[URL]https://loyaltylobby.com/2016/04/29/frenchman-goes-berserk-at-manila-airport-after-girlfriend-doesnt-pick-him-up-gets-sedated-by-airport-personell/[/URL]
Of course, many of the lecherous geezers deserve what they get and their misadventures are the source of humorous news reports. As the Filipino elite says, foreign countries are not exactly sending their best people to the Philippines. Cebu Rep. Gwendolyn Garcia said, "foreigners landing in the Philippines to marry Filipino women turn out to be vagabonds or social and moral derelicts in their own country. " LOL! Therefore, mongers defending Pinays and their shenanigans should be aware that the girls do not think highly of them and consider them social and moral rejects from their own countries good only for use as cash dispensing walking penises.
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Statistically, the majority of Filipinos come from a "lower social class", so your point is a bit meaningless. I know a lady who lives in a rundown house on Mactan and works in a sweatshop. Her FB picture shows her at the ShangriLa. Why? Well, one of her relatives who lives overseas is in town visiting.
As for the other "low class" Filipinas on the sns sites, I've dated a dentist, an accountant, a government official, several teachers, a lady working in television (behind the cameras) and of course several of the ubiquitous call center gals.
Tag, since you are so generous with your generalized opinions, why don't you write up some of your own experiences?
[QUOTE=Tagalog2016;2168465]I agree, that Filipinos do travel a lot, and that is indisputable fact. However, I would say, that the majority of girls from dating sites belong to a lower social class, who either can't afford to travel at all, or at least can't afford fancy hotels with swimming pools and beachside locations.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Tagalog2016;2168517]Yes, you are absolutely right. Numbers are shocking, but that is sad reality. For some mongers it may be a blow to their ego to realize, that an average twenty something working girl is in fact nothing more than an overused hole, banged by 1000 dicks.
Specificities of anatomy of Asian women allow many Pinays to remain tight for years or even decades, which can give an impression, that a girl is just lightly used.
I think, that your calculations are very reasonable, and a simple mathematics in such case is the most credible evidence.[/QUOTE]Some mongers get a serious haemorrhoid flare up at any suggestion that the hookers in AC have high cock mileage on their pussies because they perform cunnilingus on them. Many mongers in AC are of advanced age and in poor health. Naturally, they have limp to half-limp cocks beyond salvation from the resurrecting powers of Viagra. In such situations, tongue must take the place of cock in the pussy hole. The old fellows make love to their prostitutes using their teeth and tongues on well-worn pussies like bloated leeches. The last thing they want to think of is the 1,000 cocks that pounded and squirted cum into that pussy hole before they sucked and licked it clean. While the realization that they are sucking on a cum and cock receptacle may ruin these fine fellows fantasies, it does not change the reality of the thing.
Interestingly, the elderly fanatics of Pinay prostitutes do not seem to extend their commiseration and adoration to the prostitutes in their homelands, Thailand, Indonesia, Cambodia, etc. For some odd reason, they believe the prostitutes in the Philippines are different, not hungry for money, and love sucking old balls. In addition, when Pinay hookers rip them off, some fellas tip them more money for the experience then brag about it as though they enjoy playing doormat for hookers.
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[QUOTE=Mogwai;2168378]"Accept me as I am" is often used by ladyboys.[/QUOTE]I seen this in some that are not ladyboys, so I ask them if they are assassins, martians, ninja or ladyboy, that seen to break the ice, they would admit to being ladyboy or that are not. One girl in cam who wsa very shy, she told I need to accept she was shy, 1 HR later, she was showing me all I will get when I get there, LOL LOL LOL.
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More well written insults.
[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2168703]Some mongers get a serious haemorrhoid flare up at any suggestion that the hookers in AC have high cock mileage on their pussies because they perform cunnilingus on them. Many mongers in AC are of advanced age and in poor health. Naturally, they have limp to half-limp cocks beyond salvation from the resurrecting powers of Viagra. In such situations, tongue must take the place of cock in the pussy hole. The old fellows make love to their prostitutes using their teeth and tongues on well-worn pussies like bloated leeches. The last thing they want to think of is the 1,000 cocks that pounded and squirted cum into that pussy hole before they sucked and licked it clean. While the realization that they are sucking on a cum and cock receptacle may ruin these fine fellows fantasies, it does not change the reality of the thing.
Interestingly, the elderly fanatics of Pinay prostitutes do not seem to extend their commiseration and adoration to the prostitutes in their homelands, Thailand, Indonesia, Cambodia, etc. For some odd reason, they believe the prostitutes in the Philippines are different, not hungry for money, and love sucking old balls. In addition, when Pinay hookers rip them off, some fellas tip them more money for the experience then brag about it as though they enjoy playing doormat for hookers.[/QUOTE]That's this guy's forte. He stands on the sidelines putting forth his negative ruminations about people he knows nothing of. Who gives a fuck what old nice guys do w their hookers!
He has an adoring fan base here which for me is inexplicable. How can any one swallow his constant pessimism?
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Look in the Mirror!
[QUOTE=XMan;2168690] Statistically, the majority of Filipinos come from a "lower social class", so your point is a bit meaningless. .....................[/QUOTE]Especially when the Mongers themselves are nothing special, LOL.
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[QUOTE=XMan;2168690]Statistically, the majority of Filipinos come from a "lower social class", so your point is a bit meaningless. I know a lady who lives in a rundown house on Mactan and works in a sweatshop. Her FB picture shows her at the ShangriLa. Why? Well, one of her relatives who lives overseas is in town visiting.
As for the other "low class" Filipinas on the sns sites, I've dated a dentist, an accountant, a government official, several teachers, a lady working in television (behind the cameras) and of course several of the ubiquitous call center gals.
Tag, since you are so generous with your generalized opinions, why don't you write up some of your own experiences?[/QUOTE]Of course there are some exceptions, and your example could be considered so. Same chance, it could be just a fiction. You asked her, what did she do at upscale hotel, and she lied you in return, that she visited her relative there. Unless, you joined her in person visiting her relative in Shangri La, you can't assert she told you the truth. LOL.
Once I asked one girl, whom I didn't see for a long time, about her picture, taken at a fancy restaurant. She was holding a glass of a red wine there. She said, it was taken during her meeting with her friends. I said, "Really? I never knew you became a wine connoisseur. As far as I remember, you didn't drink booze at all". And then she confessed, it was a date with a foreigner, and still she lied, "It was just a dinner. We didn't have sex."
Another example, when a jealous young Italian guy bombarded me with hateful texts, when he noticed my wrist watch, laying on the nightstand in her picture, taken at the hotel in Malapascua island. She was so stupid to blame it on me, and at the same time begged me not to tell the truth to him. LOL.
As for teachers, call center girls, and television staff, you don't understand the reality of Philippines.
Call center girls in Makati earn, on average, from P15000 to P18000.
Teacher depends on qualification and type of school earns around P20000 per month.
Newspaper editors have a salary around P25000. I think same level television staff earn about the same.
If a girl has relatives who live in Quezon city, Taguig or Pasig, then she is a lucky one. But if they live somewhere in Calamba or Binangonan, she can't find a decent job close by. You should also bear in mind, that a lot of girls, who come to Manila from province, have no where to live at all.
A bed space in shared room in Makati costs starting from P6000 per month. A separate room starts from P8000. Could such girls afford Shangri La hotel? Of course not. Some of them manage to travel with a help of extra money they get from prostitution. But they travel on a budget and choose cheapest accommodation available.
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[QUOTE=Tagalog2016;2165396]That is true. By the time girls come to AC, they are mostly seasoned hookers, who were fucked by hundreds of local dicks in their previous living place. Some mongers are confused, that some young girls look shy and inexperienced in regards of communication, which make them feel, girls don't have much experience with men in bed either. But that is not so. Lack of life experience has nothing to do with their sexual experience. It is ridiculous to think, that she was a good girl, living at her her province, and she suddenly changed her approach to life just when she got to Angeles. Moreover, I would dare to say, that those hookers who behave professionally with their clients already, were drilled by at least 1000 dicks, or more by that time.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Tagalog2016;2168517]Yes, you are absolutely right. Numbers are shocking, but that is sad reality. For some mongers it may be a blow to their ego to realize, that an average twenty something working girl is in fact nothing more than an overused hole, banged by 1000 dicks.[/QUOTE]That an average twenty something working girl has been banged by 1000 dicks is indeed plausible. However in your original post (quoted above) you claimed that BY THE TIME GIRLS COME TO AC they are mostly seasoned hookers who already had 1000 dicks or more.
I think we all know that is BS. Quite a lot of girls might have had 1000 times sex with (a) boyfriend(s), but sex with 1000 men (1000 different dicks) is a completely different story.
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[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2168557]Of course, many of the lecherous geezers deserve what they get and their misadventures are the source of humorous news reports. As the Filipino elite says, foreign countries are not exactly sending their best people to the Philippines. Cebu Rep. Gwendolyn Garcia said, "foreigners landing in the Philippines to marry Filipino women turn out to be vagabonds or social and moral derelicts in their own country. " LOL! Therefore, mongers defending Pinays and their shenanigans should be aware that the girls do not think highly of them and consider them social and moral rejects from their own countries good only for use as cash dispensing walking penises.[/QUOTE]Yes, that is truth! Unlike the popular myth about superiority of Westerners in the eyes of Filipinos, which some mongers believe in, many Pinays consider foreigners losers and rejects in their home country. In their logic, mongers come to Philippines because they are not in demand at motherland.
Actually, many Pinays have some complexes regarding their appearance. Dark skin is considered a sign of poverty. That is why they try to expose their skin to sunlight as less, as possible. Fair skin is the ideal of feminine beauty for them. They don't understand short term foreign holidaymakers, who are so keen to sunbathe, since it makes their skin red and ugly.
A lot of Filipinas are embarrassed about their noses, facial warts and pimples. Some of them are ashamed of their low height, dark kilikili (armpits) and dark singit (groin). Crooked teeth is another reason of embarrassment, and by the way dental braces are considered as attribute of wealth. It is something like a ring or necklace for Pinays. They don't understand, that they look ugly wearing braces. LOL.
I am saying all of this to make it more clear, that Filipinas don't consider themselves superstars. That is why foreigners chasing them sometimes are associated with losers who are simply incapable to attract a decent western woman.
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[QUOTE=Mogwai;2168864]That an average twenty something working girl has been banged by 1000 dicks is indeed plausible. However in your original post (quoted above) you claimed that BY THE TIME GIRLS COME TO AC they are mostly seasoned hookers who already had 1000 dicks or more.
[/QUOTE]You misread the word. I wrote "hundreds", which means "100's", not "1000".
Indeed, by the time girls come to AC, they can be considered seasoned hookers, because they have hundreds of dicks mileage on the clock.
Pinoys don't dine and wine them before to fuck, nor they choose a LT. Thus, a girl can accommodate 10 men and more per day. Here simple mathematics applies as well. They can score hundred of dicks in less than one month.
Even if Pinay worked as a freelancer in her home province and was fucked by just only 10 Pinoys per month, she still can exceed 100 dicks bar within one year.
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[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2168703]Interestingly, the elderly fanatics of Pinay prostitutes do not seem to extend their commiseration and adoration to the prostitutes in their homelands, Thailand, Indonesia, Cambodia, etc. For some odd reason, they believe the prostitutes in the Philippines are different, not hungry for money, and love sucking old balls. In addition, when Pinay hookers rip them off, some fellas tip them more money for the experience then brag about it as though they enjoy playing doormat for hookers.[/QUOTE]I think, that the reason of that is Filipino mentality, which somehow combines incompatible. Lack of morality, greediness, slyness and dishonesty are contrasted with childlike innocence, simplicity and seeming credibility in amorous affairs. That is why it could be hard to assess a girl properly. Some older mongers deliberately let Pinays to fool them. For them it's like a game with a child, who is weaker, less smart and less experienced. It's like a grown-up gives a child head start to enable to play on the same level.
However, such mongers overestimate own skills and underestimate essence of Filipinas. They think, it was just an adventure with slightly shifty, yet rather good young woman. They consider, they ought to behave like a gentleman with those girls to leave an impression of lavish, wise and kind man. And what is most important they don't feel themselves a victim in this game, because in return to their courting and generosity, they got a main prize. Tight young pussy, as well as GFE.
From the outside it looks slightly different. Prostitutes with overused holes, banged by 1000 dicks, shamelessly scam old dudes. They have zero respect and zero compassion to foreigners. They pretend to be sweet and don't mind to suck limp dicks to extract as much money as possible. They laugh at such mongers, who tip them more money, or give presents just because she said "yours is so big", "you are so handsome", or "lab you, honey".
The thing is both parties are happy. Did everyone get what he / she wanted to get? Yes. Does such type of mongers look moronic? Of course.
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[QUOTE=Mogwai;2168864]That an average twenty something working girl has been banged by 1000 dicks is indeed plausible. However in your original post (quoted above) you claimed that BY THE TIME GIRLS COME TO AC they are mostly seasoned hookers who already had 1000 dicks or more.[/QUOTE]Why is this even an argument? They are hookers and they fuck for a living. That is, they fuck to earn money to feed themselves and their families. She gets paid by the dick, not by the hour. She would have to be one shitty hooker if she hasn't had 1000 dicks.
And what is this shit with guys having to have new hookers? In any other business or service relationship you go in looking for the person that you are sure knows what the fuck they are doing. Nobody goes to a mechanic shop looking for the guy that has only done 3 tune-ups. Nobody goes to a lawyers office looking for an attorney that just got out of law school. Yet you go into a prostitution den looking for a chick that just got into the business, then complain when she doesn't know what she is doing, is a starfish, or she is a runner. Give me a fucking break. I guess it is all in the fantasy though, to have a neophyte hooker that has experience.
The fact of the matter is if the chick is new then she is not going to know what she is doing. If she does, then she ain't really new at this. But I guess it helps feed your ego to trick yourself into thinking that yours is only the fourth dick that a prostitute has had.
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Working Girls & Age Differences
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2168964]And what is this shit with guys having to have new hookers? In any other business or service relationship you go in looking for the person that you are sure knows what the fuck they are doing. Nobody goes to a mechanic shop looking for the guy that has only done 3 tune-ups. Nobody goes to a lawyers office looking for an attorney that just got out of law school. Yet you go into a prositution den looking for a chick that just got into the business, then complain when she doesn't know what she is doing, is a starfish, or she is a runner. Give me a fucking break. I guess it is all in the fantasy though, to have a neophyte hooker that has experience.
The fact of the matter is if the chick is new then she is not going to know what she is doing. If she does, then she ain't really new at this. But I guess it helps feed your ego to trick yourself into thinking that yours is only the fourth dick that a prostitute has had.[/QUOTE]Mr. E, I am pretty sure you had some young, no baby, apparently innocent, fresh, new to the business girls in your time. Sure, some of them lack experience and technique, but that is their virtue not the number of dicks they might have had or not had. I don't think that way. I don't think you do either. I only care about what is going on in the room between the two or three of us. So over the years I have had sexual congress with more than a few very young girls that made our time together feel like it was the closest thing to the real thing imaginable. 555. And it was definitely worth the price, so I will continue to get it on with these girls.
But don't get me wrong. I am not saying 18-year-old girls are my favorites, although the best of them are in my personal hall of fame. What I am saying is that I enjoy some of that fresh from the fields/country/home love thing they seem to possess. Are they really as innocent as they appear or experienced pros putting on a really good show? I don't know and I don't care as long as they give me a great session.
My preferred age group is the bouncy 21 to 24-year-old girls because these girls generally seem still relatively fresh & young to me, but they have been around long enough to learn some very naughty things that the younger girls don't seem to have a clue about yet.
I also like the 25 to 28-year-old girls a lot. The good ones from this age bracket can be the best performing, most carnally aware girls around and if their looks and personalities are still holding up after years in the business, these girls can be simply amazing in bed.
I kind of would like to say I feel the same way about 29 to 32-year-old girls except by this age; gravity, weight, and skin texture are starting to take their toll on the majority of these girls and their looks have started to fade. However, when I find a pretty one, a good one of this age; I find that she can be the horniest girl imaginable, so I never rule these girls out unless they have just lost their looks completely which is entirely possible. So sad! Life is unfair.
The last age group that I even care to consider if only once in a blue moon, are the 33 and up, thirty somethings. I don't partake too often with girls from this age group except when I go to certain FL pick up bars or I am off in the boonies somewhere with little else to choose from. 555. But when I do partake of these "mature" girls, I sometimes find real gems eg still pretty good looking, soft skin, shapely, women (girls) who are sometimes so downright grateful for the attention, the sex AND the money, of course, that they can really make me feel like a man should feel. Ha Ha.
It all comes down to how I happen to feel at the moment, where I am hunting, the individual girl in question, and her overall personality and looks. Over the long haul I think am pretty consistent and true to my stats. Roughly 45% of my girls are in the 20 to 24 range, 30% of my girls are in the 25 to 28 range, 20% in the 18 to 19 range, and 5% in the 29 and above range. I see merit in individual girls from all of these age categories and I get off on the differences & variety of doing girls from these different age groups. We are all generalizing a lot here, but this is how it is for me more or less.
Is there an alternative to this life style? Sure. I could start dating age appropriate North American girls in my socio-economic class back home, but what fun would that be? None!
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2168964]Why is this even an argument? They are hookers and they fuck for a living. That is, they fuck to earn money to feed themselves and their families. She gets paid by the dick, not by the hour. She would have to be one shitty hooker if she hasn't had 1000 dicks. [/QUOTE]She would have to be one shitty hooker if she hasn't had 1000 dicks BY THE TIME SHE CAME TO AC? Because that's what this discussion was about. I suggest you (re)read the whole discussion more carefully.
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[QUOTE=Tagalog2016;2168883]You misread the word. I wrote "hundreds", which means "100's", not "1000".
[/QUOTE]I didn't misread anything. The last line of your post that I quoted was:
"Moreover, I would dare to say, that those hookers who behave professionally with their clients already, were drilled by at least 1000 dicks, or more by that time. ".
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[QUOTE=Mogwai;2169303]She would have to be one shitty hooker if she hasn't had 1000 dicks BY THE TIME SHE CAME TO AC? Because that's what this discussion was about. I suggest you (re)read the whole discussion more carefully.[/QUOTE]All I am saying is why does it matter how many dicks the chick took before or after she got to AC? It is like arguing the existence of a supreme being. He can't prove it is 1000 and you can not prove it is not 1000. My point is that many guys have the fantasy that THEIR girl is innocent and clean and shy and they are breaking new ground and showing the chick the ropes of fucking. Well if she was all that, then she would not have shown up in a brothel in the first place. Nobody goes from virgin to full on hooker. Personally I don't care how new and fresh she is. I am there to fuck (not to judge) and she is there to get money for fucking. So whether it is 1 or 1000, add my dick to that count and add my pesos to her bank account.
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To each his own bro.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2169398]All I am saying is why does it matter how many dicks the chick took before or after she got to AC?[/QUOTE]Because it does matter to probably more than half the mongers out there. It obviously doesn't matter to you and many others. No problem and no whining about one group or the other.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2169398]He can't prove it is 1000 and you can not prove it is not 1000.[/QUOTE]None of us will ever know how many times the hooker was bedded But it's fairly easy to tell who the fresh ones are. Fresh ones are usually very tight w / flawless skin and no babies. They have a look that many here enjoy despite that they generally inexperienced.
Experience isn't what the shopper is looking for when in search of a young pristine nubile beauty. It's the other things besides the "dick in the hole" that guys like me and many more are paying for. Will these new hookers tell me honestly how many times they've been fucked? Of course not but I can assure you a fair amount of go go dancers are new and slightly used.
From what you're saying they've all had a thousand dicks. If they haven't had a thousand dicks they're not worth BFing. Maybe for you (this is true) and that's fine but not for guys looking for the finer things in life when they want them.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2169398]My point is that many guys have the fantasy that THEIR girl is innocent and clean and shy and they are breaking new ground and showing the chick the ropes of fucking. Well if she was all that, then she would not have shown up in a brothel in the first place.[/QUOTE]Again, you're exaggerating about guys who think their girl is innocent, not many have this illusion and if they do who does it hurt except them. They are a minority for sure. I've been w / many sweet dancers that were brand new to fucking and that was part of the fun but guys that expect high caliber sex should not pursue this segment of the scene. I don't always go for these types. Sometimes I want huge tits, sometimes tightness, sometimes a goddess, sometimes just a funny chick that's faceable. Going out in AC is like going to Safeway. There's lots of different things available so why not have some variety.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2169398]Well if she was all that, then she would not have shown up in a brothel in the first place. Nobody goes from virgin to full on hooker. Personally I don't care how new and fresh she is. [/QUOTE]You don't care because no amount of rational has impact w / you. That's good, be who you are. And when THEY ARE "all that" it is super fine to enjoy. So Mr E enjoy your high milage hookers as they need work too.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2169398]I am there to fuck (not to judge) and she is there to get money for fucking. So whether it is 1 or 1000, add my dick to that count and add my pesos to her bank account.[/QUOTE]I could have said it better myself. The king of crude. Less power to ya.
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[QUOTE=Socker;2169538]I could have said it better myself. The king of crude. Less power to ya.[/QUOTE]LOL. This is an internet forum about buying pussy. You really expect the queen's etiquette here?
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[QUOTE=Amjeck;2168343]Brilliant post! A lot of wisdom here.
I love this one:
"When she says, she is "happy single mom", it means she desperately needs walking ATM to provide her child. Such women are considered as second best in Philippines, since no one of sane Pinoys would feed another man's children. ".[/QUOTE]Hell lots of Pinoys don't feed their own kids. How often have we heard that the guy took off as soon as the girl said she was pregnant?
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[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2169609]Hell lots of Pinoys don't feed their own kids. How often have we heard that the guy took off as soon as the girl said she was pregnant?[/QUOTE]He took off because he cannot get sex for a while. Many phi girls are in the notion that having sex during pregnancy hurts their babies. Phi guys are like us hopping from girl to girl and getting most pregnant. If you ask all single girls they say they had a phi baby. Very few comparatively say foreign baby. That shows they fuck local than foreigners often.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2169594] You really expect the queen's etiquette here?[/QUOTE]I respect mongers regardless of their differences including you. We all have our faves but some mongers feel a need to put down others because they're different. They have a need to put down the natives of the locale they monger in. There have a need to put down the women they hire as if they are on a higher plane. In this hobby they're are buyers and sellers. How can one be better than the other? I guess if one lies to himself he can but not all need this pretension. My take is there's nothing wrong w / fucking strange women and it's a 2 way street, the women do nothing wrong as do I when we keep our agreements.
So your crude dicks per pussy ratios and other puts downs are clear of my mind unless I read your post. I just speak out to remind guys there's another option. All the options are on the table. Choose who you are. Ciao bro, happy hunting.
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[QUOTE=Sammon;2169711]. Very few comparatively say foreign baby. That shows they fuck local than foreigners often.[/QUOTE]Many foreigners actually consider the consequences whereas the pinoy have the same lack of education. MY ideas:
New girl or bargirl I always use condom.
My two regular girls that are not a bargirl or working girl, no condom but don't cum inside unless certain she is safe (to my own calculations).
"Girlfriend" live in girl on the pill, cum whenever and often.
BD.
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[QUOTE=Socker;2169843]So your crude dicks per pussy ratios and other puts downs are clear of my mind unless I read your post.[/QUOTE]Sorry man but I have never put anyone down. I never said that someone was beneath me or less of a person because of who they are, where they are from, or what they have done. That is simply not my personality. I am the one that said if you want someone that knows what they are doing then your best bet would be to get the one with the 1000 dicks that others are talking about avoiding. That is in fact a praise, not a put down. I also said if the girl is available to fuck then I am available to be a customer no matter how many customers she has had before. How is that putting someone down? If you say the cook flipped 1000 burgers before coming to work at this restaurant is that considered a put down as well? How can numbers, stats, and facts be considered as put downs? They are objective measures and just are what they are.
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How nice.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2169961]Sorry man but I have never put anyone down. I never said that someone was beneath me or less of a person because of who they are, where they are from, or what they have done. That is simply not my personality. I am the one that said if you want someone that knows what they are doing then your best bet would be to get the one with the 1000 dicks that others are talking about avoiding. That is in fact a praise, not a put down. I also said if the girl is available to fuck then I am available to be a customer no matter how many customers she has had before. How is that putting someone down? If you say the cook flipped 1000 burgers before coming to work at this restaurant is that considered a put down as well? How can numbers, stats, and facts be considered as put downs? They are objective measures and just are what they are.[/QUOTE]I guess it's the tone you sometimes have but here you said your piece concisely w / out any ugly slants.
As for as going w / seasoned pros (1000 dicks) I think it's as good a strategy as any because as you say, they know what they're doing. Friendly pros would be the best options as you and I both know some hookers are out for no good. I like the tight ones whether they be elite dancers or just a cute 6. I generally take from the bars as I can let my guard down a bit and not worry to much about STDs. I won't refuse a hot FL but I'm not a disco guy so I don't do many. I steer clear of the season pros and in some ways I'm missing out. Every once in a while I hook up w / a wild nasty dancer that knows how to fuck, most don't though. That's okay because I do and I be will too busy ravishing them to realize they don't know what they're doing. I get tired of the lousy BJs though. MILFs are the best for that.
My generalizations about some high and mighty mongers was not directed at you although sometimes you come off like the board disciplinarian. I think we've both softened up a bit which is a good thing.
Cheers.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2169594]LOL. This is an internet forum about buying pussy. You really expect the queen's etiquette here?[/QUOTE]Yes of course. I expect respect to be the norm. We can disagree but can do it civilly and respectfully.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2169594]LOL. This is an internet forum about buying pussy. You really expect the queen's etiquette here?[/QUOTE]I think is more "renting" than buying.
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[QUOTE=Member#1088;2170809]I think is more "renting" than buying.[/QUOTE]Whether rentin $, buyin $ or marryin $ respect and honor in a civil manner is most welcomed. *In layman terms, don't be a *******.
*Directed to no one in particular.
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[QUOTE=Dg8787;2170811]Whether rentin $, buyin $ or marryin $ respect and honor in a civil manner is most welcomed. *In layman terms, don't be a *******.
*Directed to no one in particular.[/QUOTE]I don't know if this is the right forum for marrying, buying yes maybe. I am all forward civil manner.
Just by being civil to girls even P2 P most of the times you get more that you are helping with.
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[QUOTE=Tagalog2016;2168865]Yes, that is truth! Unlike the popular myth about superiority of Westerners in the eyes of Filipinos, which some mongers believe in, many Pinays consider foreigners losers and rejects in their home country. In their logic, mongers come to Philippines because they are not in demand at motherland.
Actually, many Pinays have some complexes regarding their appearance. Dark skin is considered a sign of poverty. That is why they try to expose their skin to sunlight as less, as possible. Fair skin is the ideal of feminine beauty for them. They don't understand short term foreign holidaymakers, who are so keen to sunbathe, since it makes their skin red and ugly.
A lot of Filipinas are embarrassed about their noses, facial warts and pimples. Some of them are ashamed of their low height, dark kilikili (armpits) and dark singit (groin). Crooked teeth is another reason of embarrassment, and by the way dental braces are considered as attribute of wealth. It is something like a ring or necklace for Pinays. They don't understand, that they look ugly wearing braces. LOL.
I am saying all of this to make it more clear, that Filipinas don't consider themselves superstars. That is why foreigners chasing them sometimes are associated with losers who are simply incapable to attract a decent western woman.[/QUOTE]Pinays have low self-esteem about their piggy noses, short legs, and flat faces, dark under arms, crotch, butthole, and pussy lips. They are always wanting to buy glutathione to bleach themselves and dreaming about plastic surgery to 'fix' their piggy noses. It can get tiring hearing how much they hate themselves and want to be someone else. Pinays who hate themselves cannot love anyone else and they are always looking for another man to tell them that they are beautiful, which means they need to cheat often with the most recent cock found online. LOL! They are fun leading up to the shag, as they love flattery. However, after a night or two of shooting your loads into them, the pillow talk too often turns to the things they despise about themselves. This is point where you give them taxi fare to save yourself from depression and the need to pay a shrink.
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[QUOTE=Tagalog2016;2168865]Yes, that is truth! Unlike the popular myth about superiority of Westerners in the eyes of Filipinos, which some mongers believe in, many Pinays consider foreigners losers and rejects in their home country. In their logic, mongers come to Philippines because they are not in demand at motherland.
I am saying all of this to make it more clear, that Filipinas don't consider themselves superstars. That is why foreigners chasing them sometimes are associated with losers who are simply incapable to attract a decent western woman.[/QUOTE]A lot of westerners have the same feelings about men who have to resort to "mail order brides".
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Date In Asia job description
I have noticed a fair number of women who list their jobs as FREELANCE.
What does this mean? I know what I think a FL girl does (she exchanges money for sex). Is this what they mean? Derscribing one self as a pro would be totally against DIA rules!
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P4p.
P4P.
I have noticed a fair number of women who list their jobs as freelance.
What does this mean? I know what I think a FL girl does (she exchanges money for sex). Is this what they mean? Describing one self as a pro would be totally against DIA rules.
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[QUOTE=Forest;2172747]I have noticed a fair number of women who list their jobs as FREELANCE.
What does this mean? I know what I think a FL girl does (she exchanges money for sex). Is this what they mean? Derscribing one self as a pro would be totally against DIA rules![/QUOTE]Yes that is what it means. How does DIA know it means freelance hooker though? It could mean freelance photographer, freelance gym instructor, freelance carpenter, or freelance anything.
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Hand signals in photos.
I have noticed a fair number of girls photos on dating sites using a variety of two finger salutes. I always thought this to mean take me for Sex however a saw one picture of a group of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord906][CodeWord906][/url] school kids several who were holding up a two finger V salute to the camera. They couldn't possible know what that means so what is the meaning to pinoys of this signal? When adult girls use it does it always mean Take me for sex, or has it changed into some other kind of meaning?
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My Phil Trips.
Greetings,
3 trips to Phil, I believe that I posted reports at the time. After reading the forum, after the first and second trips, I am a little more enlightened about the mind of the pinay, but not completely. I am mainly referred to the cupid, etc. Girls.
My first trip was a few years ago. I joined cupid and chatted with a bunches of women. I decided to land in Manila, spend a few days, go to Cebu, then Davao, back to Cebu, then back to Manila.
The thinking was that If I spend some time with a cupid girl and didn't want to see her again, I didn't have to tell her I was coming back. There was one girl in particular that I skyped with daily about two or three weeks before arrival. She looked exactly like I want to see in Phil, short, petite, long hair. She was in early thirties, seemed intelligent.
The first couple of days, I picked a hotel near LA cafe. It might have been by chance, but I knew about the cafe from reading. This was the third week of a vacation, when I got to Manila, I almost wanted to turn around. It looked like a shithole. After getting to the hotel, I had a good time at the LA cafe, plenty of girls to my liking. But I decided that I need to change locations to meet my cupid girl, probably a good move. So, moved to a hotel in Makati, met the cupid girl later that afternoon. We went out, hit a few bars, had dinner, never when skyping did I talk about sex, nor during dinner etc. Late in the evening, I asked her if she wanted to stay with me, and she said yes. I had a great time!. The next morning we went to breakfast, the she went home, but we planned on getting together later in the afternoon. We met up, went to Mall of Asia, some other bars, back to the room. I enjoyed being with her, I was leaving for Cebu the next day. I made plans to meet her when I came back to Manila before going home. When I got to Cebu, I didn't try to make connections with cupid girls I chatted with, except for one. But she said she lived way out in the province and couldn't make it. No other connection with her, but I saw her on FB a couple of years later, one of you old farts knocked her up. I was too tired after Manila, so just went to Mango to pick up dancers.
One to Davao, I picked one up that I chatted with, took her to Samal Island. Not as intelligent as the one in Makati, but good body. She was divorced with one kid. Thought at first no sex. I only had plans to stay here two days. We went to sleep, hadn't even kissed. But she woke me up in the middle of the night ready to go. Sometime during the trip, she told me she hadn't had sex in a few years. It kind of seemed that way at first, BJ was awkward, a little stiff. After the first day, it was much wilder, much better BJ. I left Davao, she seemed to really be looking for a relationship, but I really wasn't that interested in her to fly to Davao again. I went back to Cebu, only visited Mango clubs. I am going to break this up into two reports.
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My Phil Trips Part 2.
Cont,
Ly.
I went back to Makati for one night before returning home. Met up with the girl from the first few days. We had another great time, back to the room, then she rode with me to the airport. I had given both girls (see part one) a little cash as a gift, probably about $50. I explained that I wanted to buy them something, but no time. I don't believe either of these were pros or semi pros. The Makati girl told me a few weeks later that she gave the money I gave her to an orphanage, or something like that. Before the next trip, I had offered to buy her a new phone, but she said no. I didn't know what may happen with the Makati girl, but we skyped, etc. Several times a week for the next six months. I decided I would try to meet her again, So I schedule another trip. I decided to fly in, take her to Boracay for a week. I of course, was going to stop in Japan for a few days, then stay around LA cafe, before meeting up, which I did. A couple of weeks before the trip, things seemed a little strange when skyping, etc. But not too bad. I really wasn't looking for a relationship anyway, but who knows. When in Japan, she wasn't return texts as often, etc. Anyway, finally made it to Manila, I told her what time I would be at the hotel. She text that some friends showed up at the house. I wasn't sure if she was going to show up, but finally came to the room about 4 in the morning. I was kind of pissed, but we got up early to head to Boracay. She was pretty hung over so wasted most of that day, but it was ok. She wasn't really talkative on this trip but we still had a good time, and as much sex as I wanted. She again came with me to the airport. . A I didn't offer anything on the Boracay trip, but I had left some cash in her bag that she acknowledged when skyping a few days after I got home. (I stopped in Japan again). Anyway, it was kind of strange on this trip, and after chatting several times a week, we texted or used whatsapp a couple of times, and she disappeared. I tracked down a profile on FB a couple of months ago, not much activity. I set up a fake FB and asked some of her friends where she might me, no luck. Even though I would be happy to travel with her again, it was still a good trip from my point of view.
The Makati girl didn't seem like the typical hustler that I read about, not from a wealthy family, but at least lived in a house, had a computer etc. But she did seem very flaky right before, and during the second trip. I would welcome any comments, observations, etc. I was probably lucky on the first trip, not any no shows from cupid, but limited sample size. I would welcome any comments, observations, etc.
My next trip, I just went to LA cafe, Subic, then back to Makati. I had to cut this trip short, so didn't really have time to spend on cupid girls. I met a girl that I really enjoyed spending time with from Havanna, great in the sack and good conversation. I would have been happy to travel with her.
I would like to go to Barocay again when I can make it back, I may just wait and spend a few days in Manila or Cebu and find someone while there that I enjoy being with. What do you think?
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[QUOTE=ForkTruck;2172838]I have noticed a fair number of girls photos on dating sites using a variety of two finger salutes. I always thought this to mean take me for Sex however a saw one picture of a group of school kids several who were holding up a two finger V salute to the camera. They couldn't possible know what that means so what is the meaning to pinoys of this signal? When adult girls use it does it always mean Take me for sex, or has it changed into some other kind of meaning?[/QUOTE]LOL. Where did you get your meaning from? It used to mean peace or. Hang loose, but now it really don't mean shit. People just take pictures that way. I do it myself.
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[QUOTE=George03;2172844]After getting to the hotel, I had a good time at the LA cafe, plenty of girls to my liking. But I decided that I need to change locations to meet my cupid girl, probably a good move.[/QUOTE]Why would you need to change locations? Did you think your cupid girl was coming from Beverly Hills and would not approve of Ermita? Damn near every time I have been to Manila I have stayed at CityState 2 blocks from LA Cafe and have never had problems with chicks online coming there. Only once have I stayed at Makati and that was only for a few hours at the Hop Inn.
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[QUOTE=George03;2172854]
I would like to go to Barocay again when I can make it back, I may just wait and spend a few days in Manila or Cebu and find someone while there that I enjoy being with. What do you think?[/QUOTE]Boracay is closed for tourists for 6 months:
[URL]https://edition.cnn.com/2018/04/04/asia/philippines-duterte-boracay-shutdown-intl/index.html[/URL]
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2172992]Why would you need to change locations? Did you think your cupid girl was coming from Beverly Hills and would not approve of Ermita? Damn near every time I have been to Manila I have stayed at CityState 2 blocks from LA Cafe and have never had problems with chicks online coming there. Only once have I stayed at Makati and that was only for a few hours at the Hop Inn.[/QUOTE]Probably because at the time, as in all three of my trips, I tire or that area quickly.
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Hand signs.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2172990]LOL. Where did you get your meaning from? It used to mean peace or. Hang loose, but now it really don't mean shit. People just take pictures that way. I do it myself.[/QUOTE]Funny, when a girls picture is of her 2 Finger V salute with her tongue stuck out in the V it means piece, not peace.
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Freelance self description
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2172831]Yes that is what it means. How does DIA know it means freelance hooker though? It could mean freelance photographer, freelance gym instructor, freelance carpenter, or freelance anything.[/QUOTE]DIA kicks people out for a lot less than that, so it is a surprise. Most guys think that every girl on DIA is available for cash. I think most girls on DIA will have sex with you on the first date, but I do not think most girls are straight forward prostitutes or even semi pros. I weed out the "good" girls by inviting them to my hotel room. Many girls will not accept this invitation, and I immediately drop them from my list. Of the dozen or so DIA girls I have dated, all of them agreed to have a glass of wine in my hotel room prior to coming over and all of them ended up in bed on the first date. That is how I separate the proverbial wheat from the chaff.
I certainly like the idea that the girls who say they are freelancers are, in fact, FL. I wish there were other ways to determine ahead of time which girls are likely to have sex before one invites them out. I would be interested if any of the rest of you have a strategy you could share.
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[QUOTE=Forest;2173346]I certainly like the idea that the girls who say they are freelancers are, in fact, FL. I wish there were other ways to determine ahead of time which girls are likely to have sex before one invites them out. I would be interested if any of the rest of you have a strategy you could share.[/QUOTE]You might want to switch to WeChat then brother. They give you prices before you even tell them Hello,.
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[QUOTE=Forest;2173346]
I certainly like the idea that the girls who say they are freelancers are, in fact, FL. I wish there were other ways to determine ahead of time which girls are likely to have sex before one invites them out.[/QUOTE]Ummm, have you thought about asking them?
It doesn't have to be "Are you a hooker?" But asking if they need to return home or can spend the night works. When confronted with she's looking for a long term relationship, I just ask if she's happy with something less serious until Mr Right arrives.
There are only two possible replies. Silence means she wasn't the type of girl you wanted in the first place. Any reply, even professing shock and disgust, generally indicates she wants to continue the discussion. Obviously if her reply is a Viber number, it's a no brainer.
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[QUOTE=Forest;2173346]DIA kicks people out for a lot less than that, so it is a surprise. Most guys think that every girl on DIA is available for cash. I think most girls on DIA will have sex with you on the first date, but I do not think most girls are straight forward prostitutes or even semi pros. I weed out the "good" girls by inviting them to my hotel room. Many girls will not accept this invitation, and I immediately drop them from my list. Of the dozen or so DIA girls I have dated, all of them agreed to have a glass of wine in my hotel room prior to coming over and all of them ended up in bed on the first date. That is how I separate the proverbial wheat from the chaff.
I certainly like the idea that the girls who say they are freelancers are, in fact, FL. I wish there were other ways to determine ahead of time which girls are likely to have sex before one invites them out. I would be interested if any of the rest of you have a strategy you could share.[/QUOTE]After I tell them I m coming over, and we agree to meet, I ask them how many days they can stay in the hotel with me.
80% the answer is how long would I be there and they can stay as long as I wish.
For them is easy.
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[QUOTE=Member#1088;2174250]After I tell them I m coming over, and we agree to meet, I ask them how many days they can stay in the hotel with me.
80% the answer is how long would I be there and they can stay as long as I wish.
For them is easy.[/QUOTE]I wonder if "I wish BF who knows how to respect" = "I play hard to get before you can insert"?
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[QUOTE=Forest;2173346]DIA kicks people out for a lot less than that, so it is a surprise. Most guys think that every girl on DIA is available for cash. I think most girls on DIA will have sex with you on the first date, but I do not think most girls are straight forward prostitutes or even semi pros. I weed out the "good" girls by inviting them to my hotel room. Many girls will not accept this invitation, and I immediately drop them from my list. Of the dozen or so DIA girls I have dated, all of them agreed to have a glass of wine in my hotel room prior to coming over and all of them ended up in bed on the first date. That is how I separate the proverbial wheat from the chaff.
I certainly like the idea that the girls who say they are freelancers are, in fact, FL. I wish there were other ways to determine ahead of time which girls are likely to have sex before one invites them out. I would be interested if any of the rest of you have a strategy you could share.[/QUOTE]DIA has kicked me out few times. So I used local sim in Philippines to sign up. Seems like they are more strict to foreigners. When I got kicked out it was not because I used offensive language or offered money. All offers and discussions I take it elsewhere like viber, messenger etc. However some girls reported me just out of spite because agreement went sour after discussion. I believe some ladyboys also reported me because I would not meet them. They can be annoyingly pushy in spite of me saying I like only real girls. I think nowadays DIA checks the account and messages to make sure before they kick you out.
If somebody looks interesting I try cam to cam chat. I never believe looking at their pics. Many of them post pictures when they were teenagers. Naturally most look cute early in age till the flaws come out. Only after cam chat I invite them to my hotel nowadays. I have been misled before by ugly girls, ladyboys, old lady bringing a young girl, coming with couple of family members, one girl brought her brothers whole family with couple of kids in tow. I had to talk to her outside and she said I need to take them out to eat and then they will go away. I gave her some money and told her to go eat with them and come back. I was surprised when she came back after an hour. I try to meet them outside first and experiences are good and bad. One girl her her good looking friend and asked me who I want. I said both. So three of us spent three days together. On the bad side one real pretty young girl texted me saying she is at mall of Asia and I need to come and pick her up. Low and behold she has her whole family with her. Her came first and talked to me. Simple things like where I am from, how much I like her daughter etc. After that girl comes and says she is going to go shopping with her family and I can come along. I asked point blank if she will come to my hotel with me. She said she will decide later. I just walked away and took a cab to my hotel. She texts me later saying her family wants to have lunch and that is why she did not want to come with me. I guess if I would have stayed I will be paying for food and shopping. I texted her saying if she wants to come she knows where I am staying and she needs to come alone. No reply after that.
So there are good and bad things can happen. But overall I have found very nice girls in and out of bed.
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[QUOTE=Sammon;2176642]She texts me later saying her family wants to have lunch and that is why she did not want to come with me.[/QUOTE]This is the kind of shit that burns me up. It lets you know that she is not interested. This bich has had her entire life to have lunch with her family. Now I am in town and we are supposed to be trying to get to know each other but you can't skip one lunch with your family? All the while the past two weeks that you have been talking to her you have never known her not one day to have lunch with her family.
You think that if a chick came from the other side of the planet to my city and she wants to spend time with me, then I am going to leave her hanging for some menial everyday shit? That is just plain fucking rude. This says that neither you nor your time mean shit to her. (Your money probably does though!)
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2176647]This is the kind of shit that burns me up. It lets you know that she is not interested. This bich has had her entire life to have lunch with her family. Now I am in town and we are supposed to be trying to get to know each other but you can't skip one lunch with your family? All the while the past two weeks that you have been talking to her you have never known her not one day to have lunch with her family.
You think that if a chick came from the other side of the planet to my city and she wants to spend time with me, then I am going to leave her hanging for some menial everyday shit? That is just plain fucking rude. This says that neither you nor your time mean shit to her. (Your money probably does though!)[/QUOTE]I think she just wanted to show off the foreigner and get him to pay for the food for everyone. I don't think she was ever into doing more.
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[QUOTE=Member#1088;2176773]I think she just wanted to show off the foreigner and get him to pay for the food for everyone. I don't think she was ever into doing more.[/QUOTE]That happened to me once in my very early days when I was very new and was caught off guard. Family turns up with the girl because she said 'they want to vet me' but really was a feast for them and nothing for me.
Then I learnt to ask more questions and be fairly blunt if they said they are bring a friend (is ask who, photo, said no family etc).
Worse case was a mate who I forewarned who found 25 family at a seafood buffet in the then Marriott in Cebu. Same guy wo went to the fiesta with his lady only find 38 (his number he counted!) family friends waiting for a beer and lechon. Again was warned not to g but sometime with think with the wrong organ LOL.
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Truth in advertising
At least she is honest.
[URL]https://www.pinalove.com/ShineSumiyoshi00[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Member#1088;2177058]At least she is honest.
[URL]https://www.pinalove.com/ShineSumiyoshi00[/URL][/QUOTE]Unfortunately you have to be a member to view this page. So maybe you can make a screenshot?
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[QUOTE=Member#1088;2177058]At least she is honest.
[URL]https://www.pinalove.com/ShineSumiyoshi00[/URL][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Mogwai;2177524]Unfortunately you have to be a member to view this page. So maybe you can make a screenshot?[/QUOTE]Yes. Everytime someone posts a link to PL, I just get the login page. Alternately 1088, use the Snip tool.
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1 photos
Ok with pic
[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2177634]Yes. Everytime someone posts a link to PL, I just get the login page. Alternately 1088, use the Snip tool.[/QUOTE]Ok, here is with the pic, read the last part of her description.
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[QUOTE=Member#1088;2178183]Ok, here is with the pic, read the last part of her description.[/QUOTE]You must have made it with a resolution of 3. It is all blurry so nobody can read it. Just fill us in with the short version.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2178187]You must have made it with a resolution of 3. It is all blurry so nobody can read it. Just fill us in with the short version.[/QUOTE]It says "Gold Digger, my time is gold".
LOL.
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[QUOTE=Member#1088;2178547]It says "Gold Digger, my time is gold".
LOL.[/QUOTE]Another honest one.
Looking for Sugar Daddy.
Ill be honest. I only love your money. Thats the only thing I need. I prefer meetups so I can make sure Ill have the money before my service.
[URL]https://www.pinalove.com/Angelwings16[/URL]
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My guess is that this was written by a jilted lover.
[QUOTE=Member#1088;2181359]Another honest one.
Looking for Sugar Daddy.
Ill be honest. I only love your money. Thats the only thing I need. I prefer meetups so I can make sure Ill have the money before my service.
[URL]https://www.pinalove.com/Angelwings16[/URL][/QUOTE]
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Heights trending upwards
I have mentioned it before on this thread but now it is becoming much more widespread, especially on PL.
I refer to the rapid increase in the height of women posted on their profile. There are many more now who post heights as 170 cm or taller. When I respond with a complimentary comment about their height and how I am also tall I ALMOST ALWAYS get a sheepish reply "Sorry, I am only (insert much smaller height)".
It seems some unseen msg has been shared stating that foreigners like taller women, so inflating the height can act as a "hook" rather than the photo.
Before anyone jumps in with comments about trans and lady-boys etc, that has already been factored into the response and comments.
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[QUOTE=RedKilt;2181429]It seems some unseen msg has been shared stating that foreigners like taller women, so inflating the height can act as a "hook" rather than the photo.
[/QUOTE]Other possible explanations:
1. They get confused by differences in metric and English measure systems and don't actually know how tall they are.
2. They see what other women are posting and don't want to seem short by comparison.
Number two could be an extension of number one.
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[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2181449]Other possible explanations:
1. They get confused by differences in metric and English measure systems and don't actually know how tall they are.
2. They see what other women are posting and don't want to seem short by comparison.
Number two could be an extension of number one.[/QUOTE]Both are possible Soapy and we all know they don't fully understand heights and weights. We have discussed this ad nauseum before.
Unfortunately you disregarded the fact that this is a relatively recent occurrence and has spiked recently (during the last 6 months in which I have been collecting empirical data).
Why have they all (suddenly) got taller? (rhetorical question. I know the answer).
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African Scammers.
I sometimes chat to women on skype. I find that best for me as it leads a dead trail and stops me having to block them from Viber etc if / when the relationship goes south. Sometimes, for fun, I accept friend requests, some of which come from West Africa. When they video call me, I see a pretty white woman chatting away with me. When we chat, "she" tells me she is just an ordinary African etc and asks for all kinds of details, big and small. Although I enjoy these scammers up to a point, the key thing I am pointing out here is the fake video. Lots of guys have beeen caught out doing improper things on cam so I never go the facebook route.
If we are honest, our purpose is to stick our penises into the crevices of women and the purpose of many we speak to is no less base.
It is interesting to pop in on those sites from time to time and to saee the same faces on these 24/7 as if they never sleep. Sharks come in all sizes.
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And weight too!
[QUOTE=RedKilt;2181429]It seems some unseen msg has been shared stating that foreigners like taller women, so inflating the height can act as a "hook" rather than the photo.[/QUOTE]Yes RK, I have noticed that too.
And Filipina weight has been creeping up as well. Nothing to do with foreigner preferences. Everything to do with a slowly improving economy and a preference for good doses of rice and Jollibee. And for me, increased Filipina weight is definitely not a "hook"!
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[QUOTE=KongKing;2181605]Yes RK, I have noticed that too.
And Filipina weight has been creeping up as well. Nothing to do with foreigner preferences. Everything to do with a slowly improving economy and a preference for good doses of rice and Jollibee. And for me, increased Filipina weight is definitely not a "hook"![/QUOTE]I remember chatting with one pinay cute and 42 kgs. In the course of the chat I asked her if the pictures were recent and after some banter she admitted they were last year and now she was a little bit larger. For her a little bit was an extra 30 kgs which to me is not a little!! So we stopped.
Another of my favourites is now near 80 kgs! Staggering weight increase caused a lack fo exercise, and the disgusting diet she prefers IE rice, fast food, sugary drinks and more rice plus her exercise is to eat more rice and fast food. She look s like a 'whale' (not my definition but one from another friend who has enjoyed her pussy and ass over the years. Now not more well not from me but maybe a chubby chaser would liker her LOL.
Bu KK is right. The diet and lack of education on how bad it is means a high incidence of diabetes and other health issues which many cannot afford to treat. Is not a great scenario IMHO.
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[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2181545]It is interesting to pop in on those sites from time to time and to saee the same faces on these 24/7 as if they never sleep.[/QUOTE]Women on different websites have said the same thing about me.
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If not here where
If you were looking for a nice inexpensive place to live and have a much younger live in bed warmer, where would be your favourite spots to go looking?
No right or wrong answers, just looking for opinions.
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[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2182212]If you were looking for a nice inexpensive place to live and have a much younger live in bed warmer, where would be your favourite spots to go looking?
No right or wrong answers, just looking for opinions.[/QUOTE]Abu Dhabi.
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[QUOTE=WickedRoger;2181652]I remember chatting with one pinay cute and 42 kgs. In the course of the chat I asked her if the pictures were recent and after some banter she admitted they were last year and now she was a little bit larger. For her a little bit was an extra 30 kgs which to me is not a little!! So we stopped.
Another of my favourites is now near 80 kgs! Staggering weight increase caused a lack fo exercise, and the disgusting diet she prefers IE rice, fast food, sugary drinks and more rice plus her exercise is to eat more rice and fast food. She look s like a 'whale' (not my definition but one from another friend who has enjoyed her pussy and ass over the years. Now not more well not from me but maybe a chubby chaser would liker her LOL.
Bu KK is right. The diet and lack of education on how bad it is means a high incidence of diabetes and other health issues which many cannot afford to treat. Is not a great scenario IMHO.[/QUOTE]Many Pinays eventually move up into the heavyweight category, as their friends and family members in that weight class tend to convince them that 'big and heavy' is sexy. Many slim spinners consider themselves malnourished and work diligently to make themselves 'fat and sexy. ' They see obesity as sexually appealing, and proudly declare their intentions to add 30 to 40 kilos of blubber to a 4'11" tall frame. Mattress sumo appears to be a popular local sport judging from what the Filipino fellas haul into Sogo for a bit of grappling.
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[QUOTE=NiceGuy99;2182219]Abu Dhabi.[/QUOTE]Really? I have not spent much time there but have been in Dubai lots and think it is expensive and that getting live in would be difficult if not impossible there.
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[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2182342]Many Pinays eventually move up into the heavyweight category, as their friends and family members in that weight class tend to convince them that 'big and heavy' is sexy. .....[/QUOTE]Not at all uncommon in cultures that have developed under conditions of not having more than adequate food supplies. Thin people work manual labour and cannot afford enough to eat, fat people are successful and prosperous and have enough to eat and get fat on.
Same thinking goes to skin colour, low status people work in fields and get dark, high status people do not have to go into the sun and get tanned.
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[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2182532]Really? I have not spent much time there but have been in Dubai lots and think it is expensive and that getting live in would be difficult if not impossible there.[/QUOTE]I think NG means girls KG as for sure he won't mean to live as rents are horrible and the cost of living high. I was there recently and even cheap hotels are not that cheap and eating in restos is not cheap. Girls can be cheap but then you may need to take a hit on quality but still not like pinay land sadly IMHO.
When I lived in Abu Dhabi my rent was only around 2 million pesos a year and was 'subsidised' as the I worked for the condo owner. Rents have fallen but the UAE is getting pricier and the girls are trying to ask for more (but try to give less especially if CIS / Stanis LOL).
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[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2182532]Really? I have not spent much time there but have been in Dubai lots and think it is expensive and that getting live in would be difficult if not impossible there.[/QUOTE]Abu Dhabi is very different than Dubai. Living there is significantly less expensive. No prob finding pinays and PRCs to stay with you. Much more reasonable expectations for compensation.
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[QUOTE=NiceGuy99;2182580]Abu Dhabi is very different than Dubai. Living there is significantly less expensive. No prob finding pinays and PRCs to stay with you. Much more reasonable expectations for compensation.[/QUOTE]Honestly, I thought this was a really smart sarcastic comment to a rather random question.
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In my Kikuyu Bonking Days.
[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2182342]Many Pinays eventually move up into the heavyweight category, as their friends and family members in that weight class tend to convince them that 'big and heavy' is sexy. Many slim spinners consider themselves malnourished and work diligently to make themselves 'fat and sexy. ' They see obesity as sexually appealing, and proudly declare their intentions to add 30 to 40 kilos of blubber to a 4'11" tall frame. Mattress sumo appears to be a popular local sport judging from what the Filipino fellas haul into Sogo for a bit of grappling.[/QUOTE]I used to regularly 3 hole this nice woman. She had a son of about 7 years of age, who was a Mr Blubber and must have weighed in at 70 kg. The other Africans used to come round and admire him, like he was a little bull in a paddock. Though many Africans are slim spinners, they do seem to like jumbo size. I guess, once Pinays have the money for Jolibee in abundance, they will go the same way. Something so nice about bonking featherweights.
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[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2182594]Honestly, I thought this was a really smart sarcastic comment to a rather random question.[/QUOTE]Not sarcastic. It is the truth.
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[QUOTE=RedKilt;2181532]Unfortunately you disregarded the fact that this is a relatively recent occurrence and has spiked recently (during the last 6 months in which I have been collecting empirical data).[/QUOTE]No, I understood the trend line aspect of the story quite well. But we are offering two different explanations for the trend line. You believe there is a story being diffused among Filipinas that Western men like taller women. Obviously since you've been collecting data you may know something else that substantiates this explanation, such as women telling you they had heard this rationale.
I'm suggesting that the same trend could occur from mimicry alone.
I heard a story recently about an Australian company on the verge of bankruptcy. Then one day a photo shows up on the internet of Meghan Markle carrying one of their handbags. Suddenly sales of these handbags skyrocketed and turned the company's fortunes around overnight. So, did all these women purchasers buy these handbags because they thought it would help them catch their own Prince Harry? No, Meghan Markle got Prince Harry because she's hot, and they're not. And Meghan Markle is probably the most visible woman in the world right now, even ahead of Stormy Daniels. So there's a changing trend line based not on some rational expectation of an outcome, but on simple mimicry: monkey see, monkey do.
So maybe a Filipina is in the process of posting her profile and, being ignorant about measurement systems, seeks a reference point by looking at what other women have posted. Bingo: she contributes to a trend line that others can then follow. Just a suggestion.
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[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2182804]
So maybe a Filipina is in the process of posting her profile and, being ignorant about measurement systems, seeks a reference point by looking at what other women have posted. Bingo: she contributes to a trend line that others can then follow. Just a suggestion.[/QUOTE]I'm sure both our theories are correct Soapy, and there's no doubt a few more explanations too that could all be correct, given that this is the PI where rational reasoning follows its own sets of "rules".
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[QUOTE=RedKilt;2183101] this is the PI where rational reasoning follows its own sets of "rules".[/QUOTE]Exactly. You have probably accommodated yourself to this principle more fully than I have and so achieve greater serenity from accepting the many situations that cannot be changed.
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[QUOTE=RedKilt;2183101]I'm sure both our theories are correct Soapy, and there's no doubt a few more explanations too that could all be correct, given that this is the PI where rational reasoning follows its own sets of "rules".[/QUOTE]If this were a Facebook post I would have given it a "like," since the last half sentence perfectly describes the thought process here. And the "rules" to which RK refers are unwritten, so you've got to infer them as you go through daily life.
GE.
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Angeles City or Manila?
In the Thailand forum there's a distinct split on how people see Bangkok vs Pattaya. Is there one on this forum for Angeles and Manila? Which one has the better talent? I'm a fan of the gogo scene, which city has the better clubs and talent? I booked a flight into Hong Kong and out of Bangkok with the idea of flying down to check out the action in PI. From Hong Kong I can fly directly into either AC or Manila for around the same price. I'd then fly out of Manila to Bangkok after my adventures. I can do both cities, split the time as I see fit or I can save the time and the taxi and spend the entire trip in Manila since Angeles just doesn't work out trying to fly into Bangkok (no direct flights yet). My other question is about the cheaper buses that run to Manila for 600 pesos, word is they get robbed but that's from an old post. Are they still getting pulled over and robbed at gunpoint or is that a thing of the past? I've also heard horror stories of the Manila airport, is it as bad as it sounds? Would a Sunday be the best day to fly out?
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[QUOTE=Breadman;2184519]Is there one on this forum for Angeles and Manila? Which one has the better talent? I'm a fan of the gogo scene, which city has the better clubs and talent? I booked a flight into Hong Kong and out of Bangkok with the idea of flying down to check out the action in PI. From Hong Kong I can fly directly into either AC or Manila for around the same price. My other question is about the cheaper buses that run to Manila for 600 pesos, word is they get robbed but that's from an old post. I've also heard horror stories of the Manila airport, is it as bad as it sounds? [/QUOTE]I always tell people if they are coming to Thailand or Philippines then they might as well check the other one out too while they are on this side of the world. (Likewise makes no sense to go all the way to Manila or AC and not check the other one out too.) It is only a 3 hour flight and I usually get it for $150 round trip on Cebu Pacific. Just found out Air Asia also has a flight now and it is even cheaper. I don't know of any horor stories at the Manila airport. It has always been a breeze for me and I am in it probably 20 times per year.
As far as transportation between the two, I think you are talking about the raggedy Swagman bus. It is old, 600 pesos, and only runs once a day. There is, however, a new bus service (Genesis) from the Manila airport for 350 pesos. I have taken it several times since it started around September. Great is all I can say. 350 from AC to Manila in the bus then another 350 for Grab taxi from the airport to my hotel in Ermita. Definitely beats the 3000 that they want for taxis. I don't know of any bus robberies. Don't know how many times I have been between AC and Manila, but I can tell you that it has only been in a taxi thrice. Every other time it has been in a bus. No problems. I always sit in the back row and if the bus is not full, it is the last place that other passengers will come. So plenty of space to stretch out and watch shows on my tablet.
I think I went into more bars the other day in AC than I ever have. Talent was way low and keep in mind that I am not the pickiest mf on ISG. To me it looked like that place is on its last leg. Or maybe it is low season or something. I don't keep track of the seasons. I have never been a big gogo fan anyway. It is boring to me. But my opinion is that the game has really moved to the web. That and it is easier to get normal jobs now so less women are feeling the need to go hang around on a stage all day.
A couple of things to keep in mind are that in AC it is all inclusive. The Fields bars are 3000 pesos and now the Perimeter bars are 2500 pesos. You do not give any extra money to the girls. In Manila you do give the girls a separate fee and it is going to run you 3 X as getting a girl in Angeles. Pussy is just not that important to me to be paying $200 in a third world country to be able to stick my dick into it a few times. That being said, I have only set foot in Manila gogos maybe 3 times. I have been to EDSA Complex twice and the Burgos bars once. I have really not paid attention to talent level but there is pretry much a consensus that Manila has the best girls. A friend of mine tells me that Air Force One has the best in particular and if you go to nowhere else in Manila then you must make a visit there. I have never been to check it out, and even when I get around to it I am sure I will not be in the mind to pay Air Force Once prices.
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I have reread the thread by Chocha Monger and Tagalog2016. These two guys form a mutual admiration society with remarkably similar world views and writing styles. Makes one wonder just how many guys are really writing these posts.
The main thrust of their position is that all women in the Philippines are only out to get your money and will screw a trike driver just as soon as you are out of sight. They blast all local women for lying about wanting money for sex while at the same time bragging about getting sex for no money while lying to the women about their aims. They do make it clear that they are never explicit about what they promise but given the norms of mongering and local women with foreign guys it is well understood by all that money plays a big part in why they have sex with us. The term sexual shoplifting comes to mind here.
While he / they do have a very literate writing style and are obviously educated they missed the classes on research methodology. Their entire analysis is based on either limited random personal observations or anecdotal evidence that supports their case. Their analysis simply lacks any sort or rigor to make the firm claims that they make over and over again.
They have a selection bias. Since they are with women, just as we all are, who are willing to give sex for money they act surprised that all the women that they are with are after money. There are lots of women here who truly want a love based relationship. There is a vast cultural difference between the expectations on a love relationship and how it is expressed between Philippines and western culture just suffice to say that the expression of love by a man here is more reward based than in western cultures.
However you have to recognize that we as human males are predisposed to women opf prime child bearing age (around 25) women are also predisposed genetically to males who can provide and protect them. (Look at the Art of Manliness web site, they define the duties of a real man to provide, protect and procreate). It does not matter who you are, what age you are and what culture you are in, you will have better sexual success if women think you will be a good provider.
So no big news that women are looking for something in return for giving a guy sex and that in Philippine culture they are a little more open about asking for financial help from a foreign guy.
They have a confirmation bias as well. They take it as widespread confirmation that the traits that they look for in a women when expressed are evidence that all Philippine women want only money for sex and will fuck their trike driver as soon as your back is turned.
This is simply not true. The women we as foreign mongers will meet are willing to have sex for money either because they like the lifestyle, because they need the money or more likely somewhere between those two extremes. The educated women with options will not have anything to do with a foreign guy that they perceive as a monger. We get the ones who believe either rightly or wrongly that money for sex is the best way out of the poverty cycle all too prevalent here.
Finally they have a serious extrapolation failure in their analysis. They state that because they find some evidence of a trait in a sample of women selected for that trait that that not only reinforces their belief in that trate but it applies to all women in the country.
This post is getting too long so I will save comments on their failures in cultural matters for a subsequent post.
Happy humping.
KG.
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[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2184841]The term sexual shoplifting comes to mind here.[/QUOTE]"Sexual shoplifting" . Love it! I'm going to steal that very descriptive and accurate term for those guys who try to exploit.
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[QUOTE=NiceGuy99;2184855]"Sexual shoplifting" . Love it! I'm going to steal that very descriptive and accurate term for those guys who try to exploit.[/QUOTE]That is not my original idea. It was used here a lot several years ago but fell out of use recently. So feel free to steal it, I did. LOL.
I agree it is a perfect descriptor for people who allow or lead women into believing that they will be rewarded for services rendered.
And let's face the fact. All women want something for their sexual services. It can be explicit as in $XX for this and $YY for that with time limits or it can be a life long commitment to support and provide. We males are genetically programmed to want women who are good child bearing age and physical condition. I. e. Full breasts for giving milk and wide hips for the birth process. The women are likewise genetically programmed into wanting men that they see as good protectors and providers. They look for healthy men who have physical strength to provide and protect. The wanting tangible signs of wealth is a cultural manifestation of that preference for a provider and protector. A fat wallet gives the woman the same degree of provision and protection as a muscular physique.
Did you see the article that showed that monkeys and other animals when taught the concept of money started engaging in p4p activities?
[URL]https://www.zmescience.com/research/how-scientists-tught-monkeys-the-concept-of-money-not-long-after-the-first-prostitute-monkey-appeared/[/URL]
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_among_animals[/URL]
We are just doing what comes naturally.
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[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2184841]They have a selection bias. Since they are with women, just as we all are, who are willing to give sex for money they act surprised that all the women that they are with are after money. There are lots of women here who truly want a love based relationship. There is a vast cultural difference between the expectations on a love relationship and how it is expressed between Philippines and western culture just suffice to say that the expression of love by a man here is more reward based than in western cultures.[/QUOTE]You got my head spinning here. So you shun CM and Tagalog for saying the class of women that most guys here will ever deal with will only be after their money. Then you turn around and pull a Donald Trump by keeping the premise that you despised them for saying and adding to it that they want more than just money having sex with the guy?
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2184908]You got my head spinning here. So you shun CM and Tagalog for saying the class of women that most guys here will ever deal with will only be after their money. Then you turn around and pull a Donald Trump by keeping the premise that you despised them for saying and adding to it that they want more than just money having sex with the guy?[/QUOTE]I am saying that women everywhere in the world are genetically programmed to want males who can be a provider and a protector, just as males are programmed to want a woman of prime child raising age. It is something needed to help propagate our genetic material, pick a mate who will increase the chances of our offspring becoming adults and therefore having our grandchildren. It can be explicit in cash for fun tonight or implicit as in becoming a family unit where the male is expected to provide the bulk of the material benefit while the woman has and raises the children.
The problem is when people are dishonest about their expectations. If a woman leads you to believe that she wants a normal love relationship when in actuality she is plotting draining your bank account then that is bad. If she says she wants 2000 p for a BJ and delivers and collects then that is good.
The dynamic duo are not saying only that the class of women that most guys here will meet are only after their money, but saying all pinas are only after their money and will be very dishonest about it while screwing the trike driver on the side.
I agree that the women most expats will meet are after money (or security or a new life in a western country) but not all women here want that. There is a very large number of women here who will not give a foreigner a second look, no matter how fat his wallet. These are the educated and worldly daughters of the wealthy and elite ruling class, we will most likely never meet one of them let alone have a relationship with one.
I read an estimate that there are about 600,000 to 800,000 sex workers here. If you double that to include the part timers non pros who do not classify themselves as sex workers but as good women looking for a better life with a foreign BF then you still only have about 1. 5 million out of over 50 million women here, 3%, that are even potentials for us to meet. To extrapolate behaviors patterns from those to include all women here is just not good sound thinking.
What I dislike about those two is that they disparage an entire nation of women based on their limited observations in the 3% pool for hiding the fact that they want money for sex when it is expected that we will pay and that they will get it at the same time as bragging about being dishonest about giving money to get sex from women who are obviously expecting something. It is sort of like the tipping culture in the US. You are not legally obliged to tip a server, however it is expected and customary so everyone does it and relies on it. Here it is also customary and expected that we will at the very least gove "taxi money" to the women. To not do it is to take advantage of these women.
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[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2184975]The problem is when people are dishonest about their expectations. If a woman leads you to believe that she wants a normal love relationship when in actuality she is plotting draining your bank account then that is bad.
Here it is also customary and expected that we will at the very least gove "taxi money" to the women. To not do it is to take advantage of these women.[/QUOTE]If you let someone lead you to believe they wanted love when they wanted money, then you deserve to be taken. The signs are ALWAYS there. My ex-girlfriend in AC that works at the massage shop never asked me for a got damn thing. Even when I went to her shop for a massage and tried to give her a tip she would refuse that.
Same with ex-girlfiend in Cebu. I would stay at her house and she would never ask for anything. It was a very nice 2 story house where she rented rooms to university students. Now she did let me know from the beginning that when we did things together that she did not have money and I would have to pay for everything. But she never asked anything else of me. Contrast that to you forever shelling out money to a chick to get food, medicine, kids school clothes or whatever else under the sun.
I have had chicks come see me from outside of Manila and not ask for or expect 1 peso for taxi money or anything else. And they have done this multiple times. When I got to AC the other night I invited a chick over to the Penthouse Hotel where I was staying. We were on the roof because I wanted to eat. I had the fried chicken dinner, 2 pina coladas, and she had 1 mango juice. The bill came to 800 pesos. Before I could pick it up she threw down 1000 pesos. When she got the change she left 100 pesos tip because she didn't have any other change in her wallet. We went down to my room and fucked. Right after, she asked do you want me to leave now. I'm like where the hell did you get that idea. And she stayed the night. So to me nothing has been customary or expected. It just depends on the person you are dealing with.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2184990]If you let someone lead you to believe they wanted love when they wanted money, then you deserve to be taken. The signs are ALWAYS there. My ex-girlfriend in AC that works at the massage shop never asked me for a got damn thing. Even when I went to her shop for a massage and tried to give her a tip she would refuse that.
Same with ex-girlfiend in Cebu. I would stay at her house and she would never ask for anything. It was a very nice 2 story house where she rented rooms to university students. Now she did let me know from the beginning that when we did things together that she did not have money and I would have to pay for everything. But she never asked anything else of me. Contrast that to you forever shelling out money to a chick to get food, medicine, kids school clothes or whatever else under the sun.
I have had chicks come see me from outside of Manila and not ask for or expect 1 peso for taxi money or anything else. And they have done this multiple times. When I got to AC the other night I invited a chick over to the Penthouse Hotel where I was staying. We were on the roof because I wanted to eat. I had the fried chicken dinner, 2 pina coladas, and she had 1 mango juice. The bill came to 800 pesos. Before I could pick it up she threw down 1000 pesos. When she got the change she left 100 pesos tip because she didn't have any other change in her wallet. We went down to my room and fucked. Right after, she asked do you want me to leave now. I'm like where the hell did you get that idea. And she stayed the night. So to me nothing has been customary or expected. It just depends on the person you are dealing with.[/QUOTE]Did you get to enjoy some of the univ students renting rooms in your Cebu ex GF, like having a little harem.
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[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2184975]I read an estimate that there are about 600,000 to 800,000 sex workers here. If you double that to include the part timers non pros who do not classify themselves as sex workers but as good women looking for a better life with a foreign BF then you still only have about 1. 5 million out of over 50 million women here, 3%, that are even potentials for us to meet. To extrapolate behaviors patterns from those to include all women here is just not good sound thinking.[/QUOTE]This are excellent odds for us socially awkward disenfranchised westerners. It does explain why it's really is more fun in the Philippines. If there are 6.6 M mostly male tourists per year ([URL]http://web.tourism.gov.ph/news_features/dot_high.aspx[/URL]) approx 127,000 per week to be hunted by the Ph sex workers, semi-pro and willing girls, plus of course the romantic a spirationalists.
1: 5 Visitor to sex workers.
1: 12 Hopeful pinays.
So at worst when we are here there are at least 5 women seeking each man, up to 12 seekers.
Does it matter is we are still only sampling less than 3% of the female populations?
Happy days.
PL.
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[QUOTE=Member#1088;2185918]Did you get to enjoy some of the univ students renting rooms in your Cebu ex GF, like having a little harem.[/QUOTE]Once in a while you might get a freebie. Usually they are much older into their thirties with a good job or else have game plan to hook you into a long term relationships. I always will give money whether they request or reject saying just go buy some presents for yourself. We all know these girls do not have much money. Just payup!
I found a girl in Cebu who was living with many uni students. In the beginning she said she would not arrange. I convinced her by paying her extra. In the end she got me two. These girls always need money. They will do part time only just to support themselves.
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[QUOTE=PinaLove;2186066]....
Does it matter is we are still only sampling less than 3% of the female populations?
Happy days.
PL.[/QUOTE]Yes it does if you are using a sample that is heavily weighted into the 3% and extrapolating the findings to the entire population of the country. (I was using sample in the statistical definition of a sample to determine parameters of the population at large.) Rigorous research methodology is to balance the sample so that it is representative of the population at large (or to weight the findings to reflect the differences between the sample and the population.).
No it doesn't is you are just having fun with a few the 3% of the population. (You are using sample in the sense of taking a selection out of the 3% that is offering delights.) You will wear your dick out before you taste all the delights in the 3%.
The numbers are actually better than you indicate. Not all tourists coming here are male sex tourists. Many are families and females (not eliminating females as sex tourists though LOL). You should also factor in the roughly quarter million foreigners who live here (just under 200 k in 2010 so I bumped that up for population growth in last 8 years) . Again not all of these are male mongers, some are in happy stable long term relations and some are like me here for both a good time and a long time.) There is a seasonal variation in tourists arriving here. Some months less than 50 k tourists some months over 600 k.
OTOH you need to account for local mongers. There are lots of them out there. I see them at massage places and read their FR's on other web sites. Usually need google translate.
I'll have to do some searching to see if I can find any non-biased research papers on actual numbers of sex workers here and sex tourists. It could be interesting to see some data.
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[QUOTE=Sammon;2186121]Once in a while you might get a freebie. Usually they are much older into their thirties with a good job or else have game plan to hook you into a long term relationships. I always will give money whether they request or reject saying just go buy some presents for yourself. We all know these girls do not have much money. Just payup!
....[/QUOTE]That has been my experience too. I have had several 30 somethings (and older) contact me on Pinalove and Tinder just looking to get laid. They want a foreigner for a couple of reasons, we will not spread the word all around their baragngy that they are easy, we are considered a little on the exotic side by them and they know that we are generally safer than locals for them. Some have returned and been almost regulars, some call every couple months asking of they can come over. Some are fuglies and get turned down too LOL.
They generally refuse cash but I will always at least offer to call a Grab on my account for them or for the regulars I'll buy presents for them.
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[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2186160]I'll have to do some searching to see if I can find any non-biased research papers on actual numbers of sex workers here and sex tourists. It could be interesting to see some data..[/QUOTE]Thanks for your attention to the rigorous research standards. The forum definitely needs it. I think there will be some members whom will not like the results.
I'm in Angeles most of the time. Over the years I've noticed it is really a 3-6 month tide for many of the girls. Newbies wash in, others wash out, a few a longer term. In any case, there are always newbies.
I meet more girls here whom get married than I've met in my home country. In the past year 2-3 girls that washed into AC, got fucked by me, also found a guy to marry them and whisk them to another country.
Meeting foreigners is still a long term play for many.
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[QUOTE=PinaLove;2186266]I meet more girls here whom get married than I've met in my home country. In the past year 2-3 girls that washed into AC, got fucked by me, also found a guy to marry them and whisk them to another country.
Meeting foreigners is still a long term play for many.[/QUOTE]And after that? I have a buddy that used to own a bar here in Pattaya. Guys would always come in and whisk the women away. And he would always say that he would be glad when they break up so she can get her ass back to work. I have another friend that is Thai and owns a restaurant and hair salon. She said the same thing happens with her workers; even the ladyboys. But when the guy gets tired of taking care of their asses they send them back though. It seems you are not seeing that part of the process.
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[QUOTE=PinaLove;2186266]Thanks for your attention to the rigorous research standards. The forum definitely needs it. I think there will be some members whom will not like the results.
.....[/QUOTE]I am an engineer so I am a number guy who wants to see real data, gathered with no preconceived notion or bias be properly analyzed with due attention to the limitations and practical realities of the whole process to produce useful information.
Sometimes I want to information to make decisions, other times I just like the process because it is somewhat intellectually shiny. Either way I take great exception to any researcher who starts a study already "knowing" the outcome. Over time I think I have developed a knack for shifting the signal out of the noise. However that could just be hubris in my old age.
The sex trade is a perfect example. Some people think it is wrong and immoral, and that is their right to believe that but when they then undertake a "study" to "prove" that they are the ones that are IMHO immoral. Of course the other is just as bad, people who undertake a study to prove that the sex trade is all beneficial and a good thing in every respect are just as beneath my contempt.
I believe, and this is based on a lot of googling and reading the actual source studies, (in construction camps you often have too much time on your hands and need any entertainment and distraction you can get LOL) that whether or not the sex business is harmful depends on why you are participating in it, what you and your family and your culture believe about it and how long you stay in the business.
If there is to be any regulation then that regulation should be to ensure that it is as safe as possible for both and that anyone participating in the industry does so voluntarily and can enter or leave as they determine suitable for themselves. I. e. Everyone legal age, no forced participation and proper STD education, prevention and treatment practices available to all, etc.
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[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2186479]entire comment[/QUOTE]Hey KB, good comment. I suppose you may have come across the name Sharmila Parmanand if you've read about sex work here. This is a decent interview with her, [URL]https://www.pampubliko.com/pampubliko-x-sex-work/q-and-a-sharmila-parmanand-on-sex-work-in-the-philippines/[/URL] . It presents a lot of the biases, even ones that many don't typically considered biased, for example calling a sex worker a "victim" who's been "rescued" betrays a bias. Heck, even "sex worker" is a biased term to some who say sex workers are always coerced (beyond pimps to patriarchy and capitalism) and therefore can never consent. She also mentions the power mismatch between sex workers and those who purport to advocate on their behalf and provide them services. And then there's the sticky issue of donors' money.
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[QUOTE=Hutsori;2186616]Hey KB, good comment. I suppose you may have come across the name Sharmila Parmanand if you've read about sex work here. This is a decent interview with her, [URL]https://www.pampubliko.com/pampubliko-x-sex-work/q-and-a-sharmila-parmanand-on-sex-work-in-the-philippines/[/URL].[/QUOTE]An interesting and encouraging read, a sort of vanguard viewpoint, but probably also a minority perspective among development service professionals and feminists.
Although Ms. Parmanand's perspective seems thoughtful, I believe there is a glaring omission in the interview: very little discussion of the nature and behavior of users. Ms. Parmanand observed that many decriminalization efforts address only the activities of the sex workers, but not the users. So, if there are few reliable data about sex workersand an urgent need for themwouldn't the same be true for the other side of the exchange? Over the years we have had a few light-hearted discussions about doing such research among ISG participants. There would be several difficulties involved: nobody would ever fund such research, few if any skilled researchers would dare undertake it, and it would be an uphill battle to ever get the research results accepted.
Ms. Parmamand makes the interesting point that testimonials offered by former sex workers are inherently biased in at least two ways: they typically reinforce the "rescuing" institution's values, and within the sex worker community there are lessons shared about what to say in order to be treated favorably by those who "rescue" or arrest you. The values around the activities of users is perhaps even more of a minefield.
A couple of interesting observations: first, the acknowledgement that a few (emphasis on few) progressive-thinking NGOs are getting ahead of the curve on trafficking, and a few feminists (e. g. , Ms. Parmanand) are beginning to see beyond the "victimization" narrative of their sisters. I think the key idea here is "agency"; that is, that many sex workers in fact make intentional decisions to engage in sex work as a means of livelihood, and, that policies that ignore this reality probably do more (uninformed and unintended) harm than good. So policies that assume they're unwitting victims also eliminate from consideration remedies that actually empower them and keep them safe. It appears this is the subject matter of Ms. Parmamand's doctoral thesis research at Cambridge.
Maybe it's important to consider genuine agency in the activities of users as well, instead of chalking it all up to thinking with the little head, as some in ISG as well as many feminists and religious moralists--are inclined to do. It might be interesting to map out the kinds of meetings and conferences at which Ms. Parmamand is likely to speak, and then show up and pose questions about the lack of data and attributions of agency for users.
One important caveat should be offered: some exploitative traffi--king does occur, and it is important that we not look the other way when it appears.
Finally, three cheers for USAID's achievement in attending to both streams of anti-sex work moralistsmainstream feminists and religious moralists.
Thanks for sharing this, H.
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[QUOTE=Hutsori;2186616]Hey KB, good comment. I suppose you may have come across the name Sharmila Parmanand .[/QUOTE]Thanks for this link. For me I liked this paragraph.
[QUOTE]Sometimes it’s just like, “Oh I want a new phone” or “I would like new shoes.” These cases then show that there is agency in sex work. Of course, I’m also very conscious of not pretending that this is the face of the movement, because within the sex work community, there are hierarchies. And there’s also a lot of resentment among street-based sex workers against the more high-end Internet-based sex workers or students engaging in sex work who come from a position of privilege and are in a better position to negotiate their clients or their hours. But yes, that does happen even in the Philippines. I’ve spoken to several students of private universities who engage in this...[/QUOTE]I think this is the sex market in which I dwell. Girls whom are 30 years younger than me, happy to hang out with me and of course they do not label themselves as prostie. The test is always "stop the money and stop the honey".
While breaking up can seem problematic, once they know that the money is no longer flowing their way then they know they must move on.
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[QUOTE=PinaLove;2186888]Thanks for this link. For me I liked this paragraph.
I think this is the sex market in which I dwell. Girls whom are 30 years younger than me, happy to hang out with me and of course they do not label themselves as prostie. The test is always "stop the money and stop the honey".[/QUOTE]Guys it's simple. Don't listen to the lefty journalists. Most pinays like to fuck and when the meet their first western guy who creates orgasms by licking their pussy, stimulates things they never thought of by licking their assholes and having anal sex. Well it's a whole new world for them.
I've turned out a number of pinays. Roger has experienced one and I'm sure he'll vouch. The authors of this article are detached from reality. Unlike FSU girls who may be totally controlled and exploited, pinays are generally independent. They enjoy sex, they enjoy money and they enjoy you. Deal with it liberal press.
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[QUOTE=NiceGuy99;2186912]The authors of this article are detached from reality.
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pinays are generally independent. They enjoy sex, they enjoy money and they enjoy you. [/QUOTE]Actually, the idea of "agency" that this woman is describing implies that these women do make independent decisions. A central argument from her is that they have much greater agency than what is assumed by the anti-trafficking community, who see them totally victimized and totally controlled by pimps and traffickers. This woman is arguing that the anti-trafficking community is actually victimizing sex workers by treating them as though they can't think and act for themselves. I don't think she would have a problem with the idea that some of these women enjoy sex, some enjoy money, and some enjoy the men they are with. And the interviewers seem to get her argument; they are not disagreeing with her. I suspect they sought her out specifically because she is known for the position she takes in opposition to the anti-trafficking community. Maybe Hutsori's link led you to a different interview than the one I read.
If this woman and her interviewers are liberals, and I suspect they are, they sort of belie the notion of a monolithic liberal media that all think in lockstep.
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[QUOTE=Hutsori;2186616]Hey KB, good comment. I suppose you may have come across the name Sharmila Parmanand if you've read about sex work here. This is a decent interview with her, [URL]https://www.pampubliko.com/pampubliko-x-sex-work/q-and-a-sharmila-parmanand-on-sex-work-in-the-philippines/[/URL] . It presents a lot of the biases, even ones that many don't typically considered biased, for example calling a sex worker a "victim" who's been "rescued" betrays a bias. Heck, even "sex worker" is a biased term to some who say sex workers are always coerced (beyond pimps to patriarchy and capitalism) and therefore can never consent. She also mentions the power mismatch between sex workers and those who purport to advocate on their behalf and provide them services. And then there's the sticky issue of donors' money.[/QUOTE]I remember a couple years ago in Canada when there was a debate on the criminality of prostitution. (Was not covered in the laws but a lot of activity surrounding prostitution was illegal, now it has been criminalized) The spoof was about a old profession, practiced in many communities around the country, mainly by women, involved clients coming to the woman's home, sometimes to the clients home and sometimes to places where the providers and clients would all come. It generally happened behind closed doors but everyone in the house and neighborhood knew what was happening.
The women were forced into the activity by financial concerns, by limited options and sometimes by their male partners who wanted them to make money on the side.
The punch line was that they were piano teachers.
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[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2186871]....
Finally, three cheers for USAID's achievement in attending to both streams of anti-sex work moralistsmainstream feminists and religious moralists.
.....[/QUOTE]Did you know that it is a standard clause in all USAID contracts and grants that no one hired by the program can engage in any sort of p4 p?
If caught the contract or grant can be terminated.
So someone working on one of those billion dollar programs in Afghanistan or Iran stops into Jules bar in Dubai and the program can be canceled? (Never happened as far as I know but I do know people fired for that by the contractor citing that clause.) I agree it should happen for what Oxfam allowed to happen in Haiti but a basically retaln p4 p activity conducted far away from and not involving the program is a little far fetched don't you think?
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[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2186991]So someone working on one of those billion dollar programs in Afghanistan or Iran stops into Jules bar in Dubai and the program can be canceled? (Never happened as far as I know but I do know people fired for that by the contractor citing that clause.) I agree it should happen for what Oxfam allowed to happen in Haiti but a basically retaln p4 p activity conducted far away from and not involving the program is a little far fetched don't you think?[/QUOTE]But basically driven by domestic politics, the need to please particular interest groups, and totally disconnected from circumstances on the ground in the developing world. I don't know where it stands now, but during the administration of G. W. Bush, conservative religious groups were able to push the abstinence only policy such that foreign aid contractors in Africa were forbidden to offer even informational programs about condoms and contraceptives.
Some American faith-based NGOs walk a careful tightrope in their programs. A large bulk of their fund-raising comes from collection programs in domestic churches, so their marketing has to be very careful. World Vision is an interesting example. They play down their actual involvement in family planning in developing countries, but in Africa they are quietly dispensing condoms, and maybe elsewhere too. It is not discussed in any of their fund-raising promotions.
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The number of times I have seen sweet bar girls that I screw wearing a condom to then see them a few months later pregnant. They go home and are happy I guess.
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[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2186991] I agree it should happen for what Oxfam allowed to happen in Haiti but a basically retaln p4 p activity conducted far away from and not involving the program is a little far fetched don't you think?[/QUOTE]Ironically, Oxfam was originally formed as a faith-based organization--by Quakers from Oxford no less. So what if the basic faith values have shifted a bit?
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[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2187482]Ironically, Oxfam was originally formed as a faith-based organization--by Quakers from Oxford no less. So what if the basic faith values have shifted a bit?[/QUOTE]I have found that the faith based organizations are capable of some of the most egregious breaches in this area. A so called true believer can justify anything they want on their faith then go and commit some terrible crimes based on having convinced themselves that god really wants these 14 year olds to screw him so that he can continue to do the lords work without being tempted by the sins of the flesh. (Yes I did read one story of a cathloic priest saying that about why he screwed alter boys.).
Then they say that they are sorry, in private so no human can hear them and know what they did, and ask for redemption and the slate gets wiped clear. Rinse repeat.
For every religious person why actually practices what they profess to believe, compassion, tolerance, unconditional love of their fellow humans etc. I have seen dozens of true scumbags that use faith as their cover for committing some of the worst crimes around, exploiting people, especially [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902][CodeWord902][/url] people, stealing, lying, etc. God wants me too to have a 54 million dollar jet aircraft, please send your donations to me care of ISG and I will pray for you. Our hearts and prayers go to the latest victims of the last mass school shooting in the US but we will not do anything about the underlying causes, mental health, poverty, lack of education etc.
Christianity is a good idea, someone should try it sometime.
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[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2187649]For every religious person why actually practices what they profess to believe, compassion, tolerance, unconditional love of their fellow humans etc. I have seen dozens of true scumbags that use faith as their cover for committing some of the worst crimes around [/QUOTE]About three months ago I sold a boat and motor and pop-up tent camper to a father and adult son. Dad arrived wearing a t-shirt emblazoned with "Jesus" across the front. They bargained very aggressively, and I let them go for less than they were worth because I wasn't using them and my kids were pushing me to get rid of them. The two men questioned whether the titles would clear when they went to register them and asked to hold back 15% until they cleared. They left me a phone number and assured me I could trust them because they were "good Christians. " I never heard from them again and nobody answers the phone number.
I think there's a lesson in this. We should be suspicious of people who wear their Christianity as a mantle. People who honestly live the teachings don't need to advertise it to others, because their reputation for treating other people well always precedes them.
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[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2187723]About three months ago I sold a boat and motor and pop-up tent camper to a father and adult son. Dad arrived wearing a t-shirt emblazoned with "Jesus" across the front. They bargained very aggressively, and I let them go for less than they were worth because I wasn't using them and my kids were pushing me to get rid of them. The two men questioned whether the titles would clear when they went to register them and asked to hold back 15% until they cleared. They left me a phone number and assured me I could trust them because they were "good Christians. " I never heard from them again and nobody answers the phone number..[/QUOTE]Sold a phone to an employee, he signed a contract to come back and pay the following month. Nothing, no money every received for that act of kindness.
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[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2187723].....They left me a phone number and assured me I could trust them because they were "good Christians. " I never heard from them again and nobody answers the phone number.
.....[/QUOTE]If you ever caught up to them they would say, Jesus told me you were a monger and it was OK to cheat you.
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[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2188006]If you ever caught up to them they would say, Jesus told me you were a monger and it was OK to cheat you.[/QUOTE]I guess Jesus told that quite some pinays as well.
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[QUOTE=Mogwai;2188148]I guess Jesus told that quite some pinays as well.[/QUOTE]He told on me too LOL.
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[QUOTE=PinaLove;2187373]The number of times I have seen sweet bar girls that I screw wearing a condom to then see them a few months later pregnant. They go home and are happy I guess.[/QUOTE]Do not be surprised. Those sweet bar girls are fucking hundreds of guys over the course of a few months. A few guys use condoms inconsistently but the majority fuck bareback and drop their loads deep in the girls' pussies. It would be surprising for a healthy girl to take all that cum in her pussy and make it past a year without experiencing an impregnation. The girls will continue working until they are ready to return home and give birth, as many mongers have a kink for fucking pregnant girls. Many girls return to working the bars after a few months, cashing in on the lucrative market consisting of old baldies who suck breast milk from the girls' engorged tits in an attempt to regrow their hair. The girls are happy when impregnated, because they believe that every impregnation is a blessing regardless of their circumstances. Their families will take care of the babies, with each girl having at least a few pregnancies over the course of a long career in the fuck-and-suck industry. Making babies from monger daddies who hail from all over the world adds genetic diversity to the gene pool of remote rural villages. Most foreign sperm donors are unaware of their genetic contribution to a new branch on the family tree somewhere in the jungle or on a mountainside located on a backwater island.
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[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2188006]If you ever caught up to them they would say, Jesus told me you were a monger and it was OK to cheat you.[/QUOTE]So I reaped my karma? But wait, doesn't karma originate in Hinduism and other Indian religions?
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[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2188268]Do not be surprised. Those sweet bar girls are fucking hundreds of guys over the course of a few months. A few guys use condoms inconsistently but the majority fuck bareback and drop their loads deep in the girls' pussies. It would be surprising for a healthy girl to take all that cum in her pussy and make it past a year without experiencing an impregnation. The girls will continue working until they are ready to return home and give birth, as many mongers have a kink for fucking pregnant girls. Many girls return to working the bars after a few months, cashing in on the lucrative market consisting of old baldies who suck breast milk from the girls' engorged tits in an attempt to regrow their hair. The girls are happy when impregnated, because they believe that every impregnation is a blessing regardless of their circumstances. Their families will take care of the babies, with each girl having at least a few pregnancies over the course of a long career in the fuck-and-suck industry. Making babies from monger daddies who hail from all over the world adds genetic diversity to the gene pool of remote rural villages. Most foreign sperm donors are unaware of their genetic contribution to a new branch on the family tree somewhere in the jungle or on a mountainside located on a backwater island.[/QUOTE]Hum. Thats makes sense, some of the talent I'm finding out in the villages, seem more "anglo". Ty for the gene contributors for spicing the mix of avaialble mates.
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[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2188329]So I reaped my karma? But wait, doesn't karma originate in Hinduism and other Indian religions?[/QUOTE]Soapy, I think it's likely a mistake to seek consistency of argument on this forum, where often logic is not a strongpoint. However, in a world where Trump is a "true believer," and millions of people sell oleaginous television preachers millions of dollars to buy private jets, and so-called evangelical Christians fervently support a sexual predator, I guess that "a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds. ".
GE.
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High Society.
Talking with the guys by the pool today when I notice water trickling from one of them to the concrete below. I call his attention to it. He is having a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] but is too lazy to even stand up, never mind go to the toilet just beside or even to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] in the pool like most of them do. I have scoped out two good bars in Perimeter Road, free samples on the couch and rooms upstairs. It might be a case of industrial grade condoms.
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[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2188387]..... However, in a world where Trump is a "true believer," and millions of people sell oleaginous television preachers millions of dollars to buy private jets, and so-called evangelical Christians fervently support a sexual predator, I guess that "a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds. ".
GE.[/QUOTE]That sort of shit really only happens in the USA. (At least out of the first world countries.).
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[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2188456]That sort of shit really only happens in the USA. (At least out of the first world countries.).[/QUOTE]True. Well, so far.
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[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2188387]Soapy, I think it's likely a mistake to seek consistency of argument on this forum, where often logic is not a strongpoint. [/QUOTE]I do frequently try to assemble logical arguments here where they're not necessarily appreciated. I acknowledge that it's a fool's errand. But in this case I was just being a smartass, and I sensed that KG was as well.
[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2188387] However, in a world where Trump is a "true believer," and millions of people sell oleaginous television preachers millions of dollars to buy private jets, and so-called evangelical Christians fervently support a sexual predator, I guess that "a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds. " GE. [/QUOTE]I think Emerson's idea was essentially correct, as is your illustration of it. Sadly, I think that people supposedly possessed of bigger minds also sometimes fall into the trap of foolish consistency. I have some illustrations in mind but, in the interest of avoiding a "logical" discussion unrelated to screwing Filipinas, I won't take up any further bandwidth with it in the forum.
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Filipina Cupid Commentary.
I have met some nice ones on FC but not nearly as good as the ones I used to meet on Date In Asia which I got kicked out of for someone unknown reason. I know I could re-register DIA with a different name / address but what a hassle. Anyway the trouble with these websites is 1) the attractive Filipina frequently uses the site to solicit internet video sex for pay which I suppose is ok if that's your thing (but I rather do it in real) and 2) man, there are some really ugly old broads on FC who try to hit you up. Case in point, a 68 year Filipina recently hit me up and she was as ugly as sin. My "requirements" are quite explicit. Normally I would just delete / ignore but this time my response to her was do you have any beautiful granddaughters or great granddaughters? Some Filipinas age very well but not this one. Happy hunting, gents. Keep doing the young ones to make you feel young again. Nothing like sweet young poontang to make your day. If you see any slim busty ones keep those referrals coming fellas.
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[QUOTE=DCups;2189055]I have met some nice ones on FC but not nearly as good as the ones I used to meet on Date In Asia which I got kicked out of for someone unknown reason. I know I could re-register DIA with a different name / address but what a hassle. Anyway the trouble with these websites is 1) the attractive Filipina frequently uses the site to solicit internet video sex for pay which I suppose is ok if that's your thing (but I rather do it in real) and 2) man, there are some really ugly old broads on FC who try to hit you up. Case in point, a 68 year Filipina recently hit me up and she was as ugly as sin. My "requirements" are quite explicit. Normally I would just delete / ignore but this time my response to her was do you have any beautiful granddaughters or great granddaughters? Some Filipinas age very well but not this one. Happy hunting, gents. Keep doing the young ones to make you feel young again. Nothing like sweet young poontang to make your day. If you see any slim busty ones keep those referrals coming fellas.[/QUOTE]Well did she has granddaughters or great grandaughters that you could enjoy?
I had a similar but she refer me to the great niece. I did have a good time with her grandniece.
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[QUOTE=DCups;2189055]I have met some nice ones on FC but not nearly as good as the ones I used to meet on Date In Asia which I got kicked out of for someone unknown reason. I know I could re-register DIA with a different name / address but what a hassle. Anyway the trouble with these websites is 1) the attractive Filipina frequently uses the site to solicit internet video sex for pay which I suppose is ok if that's your thing (but I rather do it in real) and 2) man, there are some really ugly old broads on FC who try to hit you up. Case in point, a 68 year Filipina recently hit me up and she was as ugly as sin. My "requirements" are quite explicit. Normally I would just delete / ignore but this time my response to her was do you have any beautiful granddaughters or great granddaughters? Some Filipinas age very well but not this one. Happy hunting, gents. Keep doing the young ones to make you feel young again. Nothing like sweet young poontang to make your day. If you see any slim busty ones keep those referrals coming fellas.[/QUOTE]I agree DIA is the one, right now I thik they mark my machine name, so I m going to change laptop soon and I will tehn re open an account. With DIA I got a lot of good contacts every week, like 7 or 8. With Pinalove, I get maybe 1 or2.
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[QUOTE=DCups;2189055]I have met some nice ones on FC but not nearly as good as the ones I used to meet on Date In Asia which I got kicked out of for someone unknown reason. I know I could re-register DIA with a different name / address but what a hassle. Nothing like sweet young poontang to make your day. If you see any slim busty ones keep those referrals coming fellas.[/QUOTE]I got kicked out of DIA no less than 6 times. Always used different phone numbers and e mail addresses to open new accounts.
Met great girls from cities as well as provinces and had great time including 3 virgins from the provinces.
I believe I got kicked out because I was nasty to ladyboys who pretended to be real girls. I met couple thinking they are girls only to find out they are ladyboys on meeting. Generally girls do not complain about you. What I understand now is dateinasia checks your messages before they kick you out. Previously more than certain numbers of complaints will kick you out.
Plenty of girls in dateinasia of all ages. Moment they agree to come to your room means sex is on the table.
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Dating site big brother.
[QUOTE=Sammon;2189225]I got kicked out of DIA no less than 6 times. Always used different phone numbers and e mail addresses to open new accounts.[/QUOTE]I also was kicked out two weeks ago for unknown to me reason (s). One girl was getting very suggestive in her texts to me although I was not responding in kind. That may have done it. Anyway, I just wrote them and asked to please be reinstated. I didn't have a document so I just attached a photo of me to at least have something in the box. In 24 hours I was notified I was back in. No idea why was outed or let back in, must be some kind of computer check, not a human looking at it.
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No such luck, 1088. Still, I am amazed at the Filipinas general willingness to share their hot girlfriends with you.
[QUOTE=Member#1088;2189200]Well did she has granddaughters or great grandaughters that you could enjoy?
I had a similar but she refer me to the great niece. I did have a good time with her grandniece.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2188387] In a world where Trump is a "true believer," and so-called evangelical Christians fervently support a sexual predator, I guess that "a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds. ". GE.[/QUOTE]Although in-apropos but analogously constructed, I also like Dr. Johnson's quote, "Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel. " But more to the point, to which sexual predator are you referring: Roy Moore of Alabama, Bill Clinton, or that "true believer" and fellow mongerer, Trump the strumpet chasing president? The Bard wrote, "Misery acquaints a man with strange bedfellows. " Do we all agree with this paraphrase, "mongering makes strange bedfellows?" Perhaps the Donald has an ISG account in which he shares his exploits and offers advise. We know his penchant for trenchant bursts of wisdom on social media. Who among us may be he? Will the real Donald Trump please stand up.
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[QUOTE=ForkTruck;2189236]I also was kicked out two weeks ago for unknown to me reason (s). One girl was getting very suggestive in her texts to me although I was not responding in kind. That may have done it. Anyway, I just wrote them and asked to please be reinstated. I didn't have a document so I just attached a photo of me to at least have something in the box. In 24 hours I was notified I was back in. No idea why was outed or let back in, must be some kind of computer check, not a human looking at it.[/QUOTE]Couple of years ago you would never ever will be allowed to get back your account. Nowadays irrespective who complains they physically check your messages to see if you have broken the rules. If it is not serious they will let you back in.
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[QUOTE=DCups;2189398]No such luck, 1088. Still, I am amazed at the Filipinas general willingness to share their hot girlfriends with you.[/QUOTE]I think is was more of a "need". They were having financial issues. I think in the old lady mind, she thought maybe her grandniece can capture me as a long term financial provider to the whole family. Her grandnice was ok, but too shy, even when she cum she was shy to cum stronger, I had to encourage to let it go of her timid and express herself as she felt heaven coming.
I took 3 days but at the end she could "express herself" very louad and strong.
I hope to see her again in my trip next year. She told she is ready to try 3 some. She has cousin who she claimed never had BF, LOL, problably no true, but I like the pic of her cousin, she looks good.
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[QUOTE=Sammon;2189553]Couple of years ago you would never ever will be allowed to get back your account. Nowadays irrespective who complains they physically check your messages to see if you have broken the rules. If it is not serious they will let you back in.[/QUOTE]For me they tell me I send same introductory message too many times. Is a manner of numbers, the more you connect, the more chance you get to score.
But I can't write a diff message for everyone. No enough time.
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[QUOTE=Pompetus;2189435]...: Roy Moore of Alabama, Bill Clinton, or that "true believer" and fellow mongerer, Trump the strumpet chasing president? ...[/QUOTE]Three examples of power corrupting.
What I find interesting is that the support for what they did fell strictly along party lines.
Clinton was defended by the Dems and vilified by the GOP for lying about a BJ in the Oval Office.
Trump was defended by the GOP and vilified by the Dems for his sexual behaviors.
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[QUOTE=Member#1088;2189576]For me they tell me I send same introductory message too many times. Is a manner of numbers, the more you connect, the more chance you get to score.
But I can't write a diff message for everyone. No enough time.[/QUOTE]I'm not on DIA but I do use the same intro message. Basically says here I am let's chat. I actually have a keyboard shortcut with that message in QuickTextPaste so I can simply hot key it.
To me the first message is simply to say I'm here, are you interested in starting the chat? I don't bother customizing it for each lady, unless there is something that stands out in her profile. I use a slightly different one for Tinder since she has already right swiped me and I assume that she wants the conservation. It's on a different QuickTextPaste hot key combination.
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[QUOTE=Pompetus;2189435]Perhaps the Donald has an ISG account in which he shares his exploits and offers advise. We know his penchant for trenchant bursts of wisdom on social media. [/QUOTE]No, he has Michael Cohen and other associates to handle background for his exploits. I have not observed this trenchant wisdom.
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I agree with Tagalog2016. You need to go in with your eyes open and understand the environment.
I have been visiting since 1976. The only thing that has changed since then is some paved roads and the currency exchange rate.
When I was a young sailor in Olongapo I had no idea what was going on so I made all the usual mistakes to include a one year failed marriage to a "regular girl". Like they say, "you can take the girl out of the PI, but you can't take the PI out of the girl".
I go now to have fun, stay in a nice hotel, BS with the girls, have a few "dates" and say good-bye. If I was looking for a "relationship" it would need to be with someone on equal economic terms, otherwise, as was noted below, it would be all about the money.
My next trip will be a "Date in Asia" trip, as the bar girl scene in Angeles seems to have gone downhill based on what I have been reading in this forum.
[QUOTE=Tagalog2016;2147862]Few hundreds professional women which you refer to still could fit in my definition taking into account hundreds of thousands WGs which you didn't mention.
I know some pinays with good office job, whom I can call a professional in their business, which still doesn't bother them to cheat foreigners. After work she could skype with her daddy sponsor, who visits her twice a year and after sweet "buy bye baby, I love you", she login DIA immediately to arrange fucking with a monger, who will come at her city next week. I know pro WG from Cebu, who is office worker in one quite reputable company. She says, she enjoys her lifestyle and nobody at work knows about her second work after hours.
FYI I am not a pinoy, but I have enough experience to conclude about Filipinas. You may have different point of view, and I won't dispute. This is a forum to share different opinions.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Mahaba;2190589]I agree with Tagalog2016. You need to go in with your eyes open and understand the environment.
I have been visiting since 1976. The only thing that has changed since then is some paved roads and the currency exchange rate.
When I was a young sailor in Olongapo I had no idea what was going on so I made all the usual mistakes to include a one year failed marriage to a "regular girl". Like they say, "you can take the girl out of the PI, but you can't take the PI out of the girl".
I go now to have fun, stay in a nice hotel, BS with the girls, have a few "dates" and say good-bye. If I was looking for a "relationship" it would need to be with someone on equal economic terms, otherwise, as was noted below, it would be all about the money.
My next trip will be a "Date in Asia" trip, as the bar girl scene in Angeles seems to have gone downhill based on what I have been reading in this forum.[/QUOTE]I have been with teachers, nurses, office girls, travel agent, hotel workers etc. But all did not say o to money offered. Unless you find much older ladies economically all young girls are poor. If you marry thinking you do not need to support her family think twice.
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[QUOTE=Sammon;2190644]I have been with teachers, nurses, office girls, travel agent, hotel workers etc. But all did not say o to money offered. Unless you find much older ladies economically all young girls are poor. If you marry thinking you do not need to support her family think twice.[/QUOTE]That is ridiculous. I would not say no to money offered either. If I went to my dad or my daughter and offered money then they would take it too. You offering is not the same as them asking or them expecting.
If you think you should have to support someone's family because you married them then you are crazy. If they want their family supported then they get a job, take care of the responibilities in your household however you decide to divvy them up, then they are free to send whatever they want to their family. There are no free rides. And whoever is giving out free rides is a damn fool (unless they are giving the free ride to me.) I would not work my ass off to take care of someone else's freeloading family.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2190657] I would not work my ass off to take care of someone else's freeloading family.[/QUOTE]The theory is very clear, but sometimes it doesn't work out.
Guys talk about going into relationships with a clear stipulation that they will not pay ANYTHING towards the girl's family, no matter what happens, and then the whole plan crashes and burns with the following scenario (true story).
The girl's sister (with 3 kids all aged 7 or under), is found to have a serious myoma and undergoes an operation. Recovers successfully, and is ready to go home. Hospital / Surgeon bill comes to 48,000 php. Local pollitician stumps up 10,000 php; family and friends scrounge another 10,000 php from various sources leaving 28,000 shortfall. The sister cannot leave the hospital until bill is paid.
Please dear rich brother-in-law, can you provide 28,000 php so the sister can return home to her small brood?
What do you do? The family has never asked for anything prior to this event.
This scenario, as I said earlier, is a true story. The take-away is that once you get serious about a woman then you have to factor in all sorts of things occurring in the extended family, even if they are hard-working, loyal people with no history of free-loading at all.
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[QUOTE=RedKilt;2190740]Please dear rich brother-in-law, can you provide 28,000 php so the sister can return home to her small brood?
What do you do? The family has never asked for anything prior to this event.
This scenario, as I said earlier, is a true story. The take-away is that once you get serious about a woman then you have to factor in all sorts of things occurring in the extended family, even if they are hard-working, loyal people with no history of free-loading at all.[/QUOTE]Never a truer word said on this subject RK. I have plenty of examples also.
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[QUOTE=RedKilt;2190740]Please dear rich brother-in-law, can you provide 28,000 php so the sister can return home to her small brood?
What do you do? The family has never asked for anything prior to this event.
This scenario, as I said earlier, is a true story. The take-away is that once you get serious about a woman then you have to factor in all sorts of things occurring in the extended family, even if they are hard-working, loyal people with no history of free-loading at all.[/QUOTE]LOL. RK I am a hard nut to crack when it comes to giving out money. Sob stories (no matter how true they may be) just do not get me to loosen purse strings. I guess my money is not as easy to come by as other's. See I think of all those sleepless nights I had studying, doing research, and doing reports and projects. Not to mentional all the money that I STILL owe for school. I think about those early mornings that I have to wake up at sometimes 3:30am for work and the days that I have been working all night.
My daughter just had twins out of wedlock. I pleaded with her to not have the kids although I love them so much. But I understood the shit that lied ahead. So she had fair warning but made HER decision. 5 months later when she is going through all kind of shit with the guy she asked me for $150 to register my grandkids in school. Sure. No problem. But do understand that is your Mother's Day gift. She understood and said there are sacrifices when you must make when you are a parent. I am a firm believer in if you make your bed you are the one that has to lie in it. You can not expect others to foot the bill for the things that you are going through in life and the choices that you make.
Sure I will give my kid random money every now and then, but that is only when [b]I[/b] feel like it. You know the reason why I only had 1 kid? Because I didn't want to take care of any more! So I will be damned if I am taking care of my wife's or girlfriend's family or family's problems. I told my daughter that the best day of my life was the day she was born, and the second best day was the day she turned 18 and the final payment was taken out of my check.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2190748]Sob stories (no matter how true they may be) just do not get me to loosen purse strings. [/QUOTE]RK's sample 'sob story' was a true story. So even in this case, even when you can check with your own eyes that the sister is in hospital, you would not give any money?
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[QUOTE=Mogwai;2190761]RK's sample 'sob story' was a true story. So even in this case, even when you can check with your own eyes that the sister is in hospital, you would not give any money?[/QUOTE]I know it was a true story, but Mogwai that is not my responsibility. If I was out here trying to help everyone that needed it, then I would be the one needing it!
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[QUOTE=RedKilt;2190740]The theory is very clear, but sometimes it doesn't work out.
Guys talk about going into relationships with a clear stipulation that they will not pay ANYTHING towards the girl's family, no matter what happens, and then the whole plan crashes and burns with the following scenario (true story).
The girl's sister (with 3 kids all aged 7 or under), is found to have a serious myoma and undergoes an operation. Recovers successfully, and is ready to go home. Hospital / Surgeon bill comes to 48,000 php. Local pollitician stumps up 10,000 php; family and friends scrounge another 10,000 php from various sources leaving 28,000 shortfall..[/QUOTE]I experienced a similar situation. The girl's dear mama was hemorrhaging from the pussy and needed surgery to remove her womb. The bill was a bit over P100,000 and I was asked for P50,000. I gave P0. 00, as it was not my responsibility. They figured it out between Phil Health, 2 OFW daughters, other relatives, politicians, and religious charities.
Asking the foreigner to pay is the easy and lazy way out. The foreigner is unlikely to get any sort of gratitude out of picking up the bill. In fact, he will open himself up to future requests for cash once other Flips get word that he is a soft target. Mongers just need to harden the fuck up! If it is not a wife or biological offspring, then there is no obligation to pick up the bill. Once the foreigner opens his eyes and realizes that Flips will not pick up the bill for him, saying no to their desperate pleas for cash is very easy.
Furthermore, if the foreigner is supporting the girl in the relationship that is already enough, especially if she is getting a college education out of it. When she graduates, she can work and give as much of her salary as she wants to her family. Setting oneself up, as a ready source of cash for Flips in crisis is a bad idea, as it can lead to unintended consequences for the foreigner. The heroes who just cannot resist reaching into their pockets to save them will disagree. Just remember marrying a Filipina does not make you part of her family. You are still a foreigner and a walking ATM in their eyes. Any doubts, just read my post on the Aussie widower who repatriated the corpse of his Filipina wife, gave her family money, and tried to build a house to live near to them. He was forced to skedaddle in a hurry to sound of gunfire after his brother-in-law fleeced him for all he was worth.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2190772]I know it was a true story, but Mogwai that is not my responsibility. If I was out here trying to help everyone that needed it, then I would be the one needing it![/QUOTE]I can see why Mr E might walk away or say No if it was some random acquaintance he had met or even a close friend.
It is another thing entirely if you have formed a close relationship with the woman and this happens within her family. In this latter case, if one turns one's back and walks away, then there is likely no chance of going back and the relationship will be over.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2190772]I know it was a true story, but Mogwai that is not my responsibility. If I was out here trying to help everyone that needed it, then I would be the one needing it![/QUOTE]I agree if it is just a random acquaintance. However RK was asking what you would do if you were the brother-in-law in his example.
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[QUOTE=RedKilt;2190786]It is another thing entirely if you have formed a close relationship with the woman and this happens within her family. In this latter case, if one turns one's back and walks away, then there is likely no chance of going back and the relationship will be over.[/QUOTE]Not true at all. Well maybe true for someone that is with you for your financial resources. There are many women that I have close relationships with. Mind you these are normal women that I don't OFFER money to. But when the time has come that they really needed and I said no, guess where they went? Nowhere. Still good friends and have good relationships with them and could pop up at their house anytime and they will roll out the red carpet.
Contrast that to a call center chick that I was boinking in AC or even a married Pinay that I was dealing with in Thailand. Both chicks asked me to buy them a phone. I told both chicks no. Never heard from either again. Maybe it's just a Filipino thing for the relationship to be contingent on whether your money goes in the direction of them or their family.
This is a chick that I have been dealing with in Manila for years. You think she is going anywhere? And even if she was, I would just wish her good luck. A couple of months later she would be back to sending messages and naked pictures and asking me to bring her a new vibrator next time I come.
This is why I don't share the same attitude about women that guys who say they have gotten screwed over in marriages and shit have. When I was married, me and my wife kept our money separate. Like I said, we decided who would be responsible for shit we had together and after that you could do want you wanted with your hard earned money. When we split up there was no bitterness and we remained friends for years after.
What you are describing sounds less about whether someone turns their back and walks away and more like if they don't fork over their hard earned money when they are told/expected to. I never set a precedent to get myself caught up in such situations.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2190810]Maybe it's just a Filipino thing for the relationship to be contingent on whether your money goes in the direction of them or their family.[/QUOTE]I have been dating a beautiful 22 year old Cebuana for several years now. When I say dating I mean I see her once or twice when I go to Cebu once or twice a year. The poor thing lost her father about two years ago and has three or four little sisters and one little brother neither of whom work. The mother also does not work. I don't know how they survive. So I would send her maybe $50/ month sometimes more out of pity and told her to get a job a gazillion times. She gets a job and promptly quits always with a stupid excuse. So I guess I am one of those stupid internet sugar daddies you read about here. For all I know I am just one of several guys she is playing.
Recently I told her I can't send any more money because she refuses to get a job. I tell her when I was 22 I was already working for seven years while paying for college which I graduated from. So she bombards me with emails and skype messages begging, pleading, crying, etc. All of which I have been ignoring for the past week. So now she tells me she hates me all because I stopped sending her money. I don't mind helping someone but they have to help themselves. If I was there and she was fucking me regularly I might feel differently. My friends tell me she doesn't work because I am her job, her source of money and certainly I have been too generous for far too long. Enough is enough. The whole situation is a recipe for disaster which I am now glad to be out of.
When I move to PI in 2022 (probably Dumaguete area) I want to find an educated (college graduate) from a family of some means, preferably a nurse or a doctor or even a flight attendant to settle down with in my golden years. I'm old (62) but not ugly and a helluva nice guy, a romantic indeed but I'm tired of being played but this particular pretty young thing with no ambition other than to bleed me dry. I guess I'm one of of the guys Choca Monger writes about but I finally wised up. Thank God I didn't impregnate her. Be careful guys. There are a lot of really sweet but poor Filipinas who are trying to make the best of their situation but this one is not trying hard enough. Arrmchair "shrinks" feel free to sound off if you've been through similar scenario.
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DC, I don't think 2500 pesos a month goes very far in sustaining a single Filipina, let alone a family. Unless, as you suggest, she has other sources of support.
Aren't your tactics for seeking out D-cup susos and sex on demand sort of at odds with your goal of a doctor, nurse, or flight attendant to settle down with? Those women have their choice of high status Filipinos, and they don't hang out in the same places as the sex on tap women. Why would they marry an American in his sixties?
If you are worried about impregnation, have you considered a vasectomy? If you were to find your true love tomorrow and impregnate her the next day, you'd be 81 by the time the kid is ready to go off to college. What kind of father will you be to the kid at that point in her / his life when the father is perhaps most important? My point is that at your age, maybe your baby-making days are over, and you and your partners would all breathe easier if you were to get snipped. There are nay-sayers who are sure that vasectomies somehow diminish pleasure, but a number of us have weighed in to report that it's just the opposite.
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I was supporting many girls over the years. Maybe stupidity on my part but some girls benefitted from that. Only one girl got out of AC with me help who was 18 and a virgin. I was giving her 10000 pesos per month for her to go to college. I checked with the college all the time. After she finished school and found a job I stopped. By that time she was older and I was after younger girls. But the sob stories still came which I ignored. Now she is married with a kid. She wants to meet me one last time but I resisted the temptation.
There were other girls from provinces who I supported without asking any questions. 3 of them are now living abroad. 2 married to uk guys and one in Norway. 2 of them were virgins when I met them.
My outlay was 10000 to 20000 per month with many girls in different places. This way I could avoid AC altogether on my trips. And no bargirls. I would still go to LA cafe but tell the girls I am there to chill and my GF in my room. Advantages are they were squeaky clean and I did not need to worry. I made sure they were taking pills so that I do not get them pregnant. They need to start a month before I come and stop a month after I leave. 2 girls in middle east having jobs.
There is no way of knowing how much of the money is going to their family.
On stopping payments I always blamed it on my bank saying they are watching my transactions and USA government is very strict. It is a good excuse because demands stopped quickly instead of dragging on and causing ill will. I always say maybe I can send them money while in Philippines but never let them know I am there.
Irrespective of where the money went I am glad that I tried to change some girls lives and it was not a lifelong support. Enjoyed the girls well too. Nowadays a trip to Angeles I believe will cost more than 40000 pesos for a week.
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[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2190843]DC, I don't think 2500 pesos a month goes very far in sustaining a single Filipina, let alone a family. Unless, as you suggest, she has other sources of support.
Aren't your tactics for seeking out D-cup susos and sex on demand sort of at odds with your goal of a doctor, nurse, or flight attendant to settle down with? Those women have their choice of high status Filipinos, and they don't hang out in the same places as the sex on tap women. Why would they marry an American in his sixties?
If you are worried about impregnation, have you considered a vasectomy? If you were to find your true love tomorrow and impregnate her the next day, you'd be 81 by the time the kid is ready to go off to college. What kind of father will you be to the kid at that point in her / his life when the father is perhaps most important? My point is that at your age, maybe your baby-making days are over, and you and your partners would all breathe easier if you were to get snipped. There are nay-sayers who are sure that vasectomies somehow diminish pleasure, but a number of us have weighed in to report that it's just the opposite.[/QUOTE]Hi Soapy,
You're right on several counts: 2500 P / month is not enough; marriage vs. Single screwing around and of course a vasectomy but call me a hopeful romantic who hates the knife haha. Surely the Philippines and many third worlds are full of the exceptions I seek. Time will tell. As far as being an old dad with a professional wife, the world is full of them. Cheers.
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[QUOTE=Sammon;2190852]I was supporting many girls over the years. Maybe stupidity on my part but some girls benefitted from that. Only one girl got out of AC with me help who was 18 and a virgin. I was giving her 10000 pesos per month for her to go to college. I checked with the college all the time. After she finished school and found a job I stopped.
My outlay was 10000 to 20000 per month with many girls in different places. This way I could avoid AC altogether on my trips. And no bargirls. I would still go to LA cafe but tell the girls I am there to chill and my GF in my room. Advantages are they were squeaky clean and I did not need to worry. I made sure they were taking pills so that I do not get them pregnant. They need to start a month before I come and stop a month after I leave. 2 girls in middle east having jobs.
Irrespective of where the money went I am glad that I tried to change some girls lives and it was not a lifelong support. Enjoyed the girls well too. Nowadays a trip to Angeles I believe will cost more than 40000 pesos for a week.[/QUOTE]One other way Sammon is to deposit the fees into the university bank account which is what I did. No way I would send the cash unless the bank itself made some issues etc. That way I knew the semester costs (always get the official assessment gents) and could control. Once they have graduated and found a job it all disappeared as yours did. Thought the jobs paid way less than your contributions.
Am sure any spare cash goes to the family. This is in the DNA sadly. They prefer to starve so mom / dad / cousins have cash. All tell me they want a job to support their parents no thought (mostly) to their need or long term plans. One OFW is supporting the entire larger family group (IE the greedy relative) from her sales job in Dubai. Is not possible given their greedy demands, her needs pay the school fees an the cost of living in the UAE. Guess what she does in her off days and when she is on early shift? Hint. Gives a mean BBBJ LOL.
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[QUOTE=DCups;2190816]If I was there and she was fucking me regularly I might feel differently.[/QUOTE]No you wouldn't D. You would just go find another one same place that one came from that might be a little more appreciative for shit and understands what you are saying about helping themselves.
One thing is just as sure as shit. As they age they become less marketable. So they better try to cash in on it while they have youth. Seen too many chicks in Thailand that thought they were hot shit in the clubs a few years ago, and now they are in the streets pushing food carts.
For us, life gets better because we have more money. A guy asked on facebook the other day, if you knew then what you know now, where would you be? I said broke. Because back then I wouldn't have been able to handle shit like I do now. I would have gone broke messing around with all these hoes. Now I have vision and want position myself to be able to mess with these hoes forever instead of the short-sightedness I would have had when I was younger.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2190810]Not true at all. Well maybe true for someone that is with you for your financial resources. There are many women that I have close relationships with. Mind you these are normal women that I don't OFFER money to. But when the time has come that they really needed and I said no, guess where they went? Nowhere. Still good friends and have good relationships with them and could pop up at their house anytime and they will roll out the red carpet.
Contrast that to a call center chick that I was boinking in AC or even a married Pinay that I was dealing with in Thailand. Both chicks asked me to buy them a phone. I told both chicks no. Never heard from either again. Maybe it's just a Filipino thing for the relationship to be contingent on whether your money goes in the direction of them or their family..[/QUOTE]If the Filipina tells the foreign husband / boyfriend to pick up the bill for her relatives expenses, and she decides to end the relationship because he did not do as she told him, that tells him the relationship was purely financial with him playing the role of a vassal for pussy access. It was never a romantic relationship on her part, as she clearly saw it as a financial arrangement that ended when the money was not forthcoming.
When Filipinas depart because their walking ATM refused to dispense cash to her family, it is a good thing because the relationship was not real. It was one of financial convenience, and the sooner the foreigner figures it out the better. Filipino men say that foreign men give too much to Filipinas without getting anything in return, and they choose Filipinas whose primary concern is the economic survival of their family.
As Mr. E. said, once the precedence is set that the guy pays on demand, the relationship will last only as long as he keeps paying for her relative's misfortunes, wants, and needs. When he stops paying, she will stop playing. A parasitic relationship with a Pinay ends when the foreigner goes broke, becomes unwilling to continue feeding the growing appetite of the parasite, or a more rewarding host comes along.
In any case, it does not make sense for the guy to collapse under her financial demands, as he is clearly attempting to retain the sexual services and loyalty of an economic mercenary with a pussy. Any love lost is purely an illusion on his part.
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[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2191007]If the Filipina tells the foreign husband / boyfriend to pick up the bill for her relatives expenses, and she decides to end the relationship because he did not do as she told him, that tells him the relationship was purely financial with him playing the role of a vassal for pussy access. It was never a romantic relationship on her part, as she clearly saw it as a financial arrangement that ended when the money was not forthcoming.
When Filipinas depart because their walking ATM refused to dispense cash to her family, it is a good thing because the relationship was not real. It was one of financial convenience, and the sooner the foreigner figures it out the better. Filipino men say that foreign men give too much to Filipinas without getting anything in return, and they choose Filipinas whose primary concern is the economic survival of their family.
As Mr. E. said, once the precedence is set that the guy pays on demand, the relationship will last only as long as he keeps paying for her relative's misfortunes, wants, and needs. When he stops paying, she will stop playing. A parasitic relationship with a Pinay ends when the foreigner goes broke, becomes unwilling to continue feeding the growing appetite of the parasite, or a more rewarding host comes along.
In any case, it does not make sense for the guy to collapse under her financial demands, as he is clearly attempting to retain the sexual services and loyalty of an economic mercenary with a pussy. Any love lost is purely an illusion on his part.[/QUOTE]I think if we go with our eyes WIDE open, we won't be surprised.
I think by 20 they are really to in the know in how to control their foreigner guy.
I started to talk to this lady in manila, she wants only love in our first chat, she said she is not interested in support or financial help with her school which she brought up right away when we chatted.
She claimed to be virgin.
I told her I was not interested, because I wanted an open minded friend, she changed and said if I treat her right, she can give me all I want even so she is virgin, she will learn from me how to make me happy every day many times per day.
Hum. I said, ok, lets talk, I call her in the phone, and one thing let to other, and she I teach her how to learn self joy, (which she said, she never done), doing a few more times, she got very excited and claimed she push too deep and took her virginity for me. She even claimed she had blood on her fingers (maybe her red time?
Anyway, I said ok, next time she found a way not to be online, the following day she talk that she will accept any help with her school and she wanted to cam with me.
Again, she did all and show all.
Today, she is angry becuase I can send her help until wed and refuses to cam again.
Well one thing lead to another, then she broke it off, talking about bad karma and how she lost her virg and got nothing. Hum.
At the very end, she said she will get her grandmom to curse me, this is after telling me that she goes to church every Sunday and is very religious in the begining of our first conversation.
So I think by 18 or 19, they are the experts, in how to extract money and use intimate things as a way to control the man.
Hope everyone has better luck.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2190927]No you wouldn't D. You would just go find another one same place that one came from that might be a little more appreciative for shit and understands what you are saying about helping themselves.
One thing is just as sure as shit. As they age they become less marketable. .[/QUOTE]Well, not exactly the same place because I'm no longer allowed on DIA but I get your drift, Mr. E. No worries, I always have a number of back-ups. Yes, all broads have an "expiration date" of sorts. I rarely do women over 35; and prefer the 22 - 32 bracket. 18 - 22 don't always know what they're doing sexually although they are cute; and the older ones (mid-thirties plus), well, most have become jaded, motherhood or plugged by so many dicks that their pussy is no longer tight. Obviously YMMV fellow mongers. Cheers, buddy.
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[QUOTE=Member#1088;2191298]I think if we go with our eyes WIDE open, we won't be surprised.
I think by 20 they are really to in the know in how to control their foreigner guy.
I started to talk to this lady in manila, she wants only love in our first chat, she said she is not interested in support or financial help with her school which she brought up right away when we chatted.
She claimed to be virgin.
I told her I was not interested, because I wanted an open minded friend, she changed and said if I treat her right, she can give me all I want even so she is virgin, she will learn from me how to make me happy every day many times per day..[/QUOTE]Well, you should not feel guilty about taking her virginity. The finger that broke her cherry was actually a Pinoy cock, belonging to her trike driver boyfriend. All she got from him in return was a pussy full of sperms. LOL!
Her finger takes her virginity several times a day on behalf of dozens of internet boyfriends who wire her cash to help with her studies. She makes good money online getting horny suckers to pay her to finger herself and take her virginity. Just imagine how nice it would be to have people paying you to jerk off, and take your virginity a few times a day. She has a nice business model selling fantasies to perverts dreaming of fucking virgins from all over the world, and the only fella she actually fucks is her Pinoy trike driver boyfriend. LOL!
Online scammer Filipinas are not experts at extracting cash, their victims are just soft delusional walking penises and very gullible. LOL! First, when a Flip says that she does not want money only love, it means that she wants money desperately and is willing to lie and steal to get it. The expert scammers know never to bring up the topic of money. They let the monger's penis do that for them, after he is infatuated and jerking off thinking about getting that little brown pussy. He will believe that it was all his idea to send the money. LOL!
Online scammer girls are all religious and attending mass, praying at least three times a day. Yet, no problems to promise fornication and finger their pussies for horny strangers on the internet. LOL! I share my sins and temptations with them too, as I am a good and religious fella too. Why is my cock in her pussy, ass, and mouth? Lucifer made us do it of course! We are not to blame. LOL!
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[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2191379]Well, you should not feel guilty about taking her virginity. The finger that broke her cherry was actually a Pinoy cock, belonging to her trike driver boyfriend. All she got from him in return was a pussy full of sperms. LOL!
Her finger takes her virginity several times a day on behalf of dozens of internet boyfriends who wire her cash to help with her studies. She makes good money online getting horny suckers to pay her to finger herself and take her virginity. Just imagine how nice it would be to have people paying you to jerk off, and take your virginity a few times a day. She has a nice business model selling fantasies to perverts dreaming of fucking virgins from all over the world, and the only fella she actually fucks is her Pinoy trike driver boyfriend. LOL!
Online scammer Filipinas are not experts at extracting cash, their victims are just soft delusional walking penises and very gullible. LOL! First, when a Flip says that she does not want money only love, it means that she wants money desperately and is willing to lie and steal to get it. The expert scammers know never to bring up the topic of money. They let the monger's penis do that for them, after he is infatuated and jerking off thinking about getting that little brown pussy. He will believe that it was all his idea to send the money. LOL!
Online scammer girls are all religious and attending mass, praying at least three times a day. Yet, no problems to promise fornication and finger their pussies for horny strangers on the internet. LOL! I share my sins and temptations with them too, as I am a good and religious fella too. Why is my cock in her pussy, ass, and mouth? Lucifer made us do it of course! We are not to blame. LOL![/QUOTE]I never laugh so hard, lo LOL LOL, how about the grandmom curse /.
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[QUOTE=Member#1088;2191543]I never laugh so hard, lo LOL LOL, how about the grandmom curse /.[/QUOTE]I would have said that is fine because I already put one on you.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2191550]I would have said that is fine because I already put one on you.[/QUOTE]LOL, so funny, it is a good business model.
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Bought roundtrip tickets using airmiles for next March flying into Hong Kong and then out of Bangkok, nice month long trip. Have to buy a flight from Hong Kong or Macau. I've run the numbers and a flight to Bangkok runs in the $140 range. Found a deal on Vayama for a multi city flight from Hong Kong to Manila, Manila to Bangkok for $169 ($269 on the airlines website). Hong Kong to Angeles city, Manila to Bangkok is around $210. Plenty of options. I've heard traffic is best on Sundays so I was thinking of flying out on a Sunday, this would give me 6 days on the ground in the Philippines. There's even a Macau to Pattaya flight for $140 that would allow me to check out a Macau sauna for the day into the early evening but it lands in Pattaya at midnight. I am undecided if Angeles is worth a visit on such a short stay. I've never been to either city but I could play it by ear and head to Manila if I find the talent lacking.
Interested in your thoughts and recommendations.
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[QUOTE=Breadman;2191940]Manila to Bangkok is around $210.[/QUOTE]Go on Cebu Pacific or Air Asia website. A ticket will cost less than half of that. Just remember to prepay for baggage.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2191976]Go on Cebu Pacific or Air Asia website. A ticket will cost less than half of that. Just remember to prepay for baggage.[/QUOTE]Not my first time using Cebu Pacific and Air Asia, I understand the ins and outs of prepaying for baggage. CP from HKG to Angeles was in the $120 range after buying baggage then Manila to Bangkok was another $120 on Thai airways (the cheapest). So that being said its $220 plus a taxi to Manila vs a questionable booking on Vayama for $169 just for Manila on Philippines airlines. Is Angeles worth the extra $100 in travel expenses?
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[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2191379]Well, you should not feel guilty about taking her virginity. LOL![/QUOTE]Watch out CM, grandmas are putting a curse on you! Haahhahaha.
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[QUOTE=Breadman;2191982]Not my first time using Cebu Pacific and Air Asia, I understand the ins and outs of prepaying for baggage. CP from HKG to Angeles was in the $120 range after buying baggage then Manila to Bangkok was another $120 on Thai airways (the cheapest). So that being said its $220 plus a taxi to Manila vs a questionable booking on Vayama for $169 just for Manila on Philippines airlines. Is Angeles worth the extra $100 in travel expenses?[/QUOTE]Yes, most definitely worth it, how many nights will you be in AC? 1 not poor value 2+ nights better value.
Although I can't fully understand your maths. Be sure to include the other Manila expenses for that airfare plus the higher nightly hotel and girl costs.
I'd suggest the AC advantages are:
More likely flight will arrive close to schedule and you will clear the airport faster. Transfer to hotel quicker.
AC has better value for.
Nightly hotel cost.
Nightly girl cost.
Intrabar travels.
Another consideration is to take a girl with you on your AC. Manila trip. It's not wasted time.
Enjoy.
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[QUOTE=Breadman;2191982]Not my first time using Cebu Pacific and Air Asia, I understand the ins and outs of prepaying for baggage. CP from HKG to Angeles was in the $120 range after buying baggage then Manila to Bangkok was another $120 on Thai airways (the cheapest). So that being said its $220 plus a taxi to Manila vs a questionable booking on Vayama for $169 just for Manila on Philippines airlines. Is Angeles worth the extra $100 in travel expenses?[/QUOTE]It depends on how much $100 is worth to you! Not to anyone else.
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[QUOTE=PinaLove;2192059]Yes, most definitely worth it, how many nights will you be in AC? 1 not poor value 2+ nights better value.
Although I can't fully understand your maths. Be sure to include the other Manila expenses for that airfare plus the higher nightly hotel and girl costs.
I'd suggest the AC advantages are:
More likely flight will arrive close to schedule and you will clear the airport faster. Transfer to hotel quicker.
AC has better value for.
Nightly hotel cost.
Nightly girl cost.
Intrabar travels.
Another consideration is to take a girl with you on your AC. Manila trip. It's not wasted time.
Enjoy.[/QUOTE]I'm not too concerned about the extra airfare expense, mainly the talent level.
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[QUOTE=Breadman;2192347]I'm not too concerned about the extra airfare expense, mainly the talent level.[/QUOTE]One of the better quotes I have read here in a long time. Thanks Breadman.
We spend thousands at times to get here but then quibble over a trike tip or paying the girl extra, and don't worry about the quality (though beauty is in the eye of the beholder for sure).
FWIW I have never found the talent in AC great is why I only go there for a party maybe as prefer other places.
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WOW, she really thinks highly of herself
Just got requested 1 k for a cam, so I said what the heck, well she wanted 1 k USA.
LOL.
She even send me an advance pic.
I did see her face in cam, so the same.
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[QUOTE=Member#1088;2192841]Just got requested 1 k for a cam, so I said what the heck, well she wanted 1 k USA.
LOL.
She even send me an advance pic.
I did see her face in cam, so the same.[/QUOTE]And not I didn't do anthing in cam, but I confirm her face is same as the pic.
1 k usa dollars, OMG, and she got mad that I thought 1 k pesos only.
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Cap at P300.
[QUOTE=Member#1088;2192841]Just got requested 1 k for a cam, so I said what the heck, well she wanted 1 k USA.
LOL.
She even send me an advance pic.
I did see her face in cam, so the same.[/QUOTE]I hope you did not send her more than P300, as she is not much to look at. LOL!
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[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2192856]I hope you did not send her more than P300, as she is not much to look at. LOL![/QUOTE]No I didn't send, I just confirm tht her face same as the pic she send, but she tehn said 1 k usa.
I almost felt down from my chair. Her face is a 7 or 8, nothing major.
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Problems?
Is it my imagination or something is going on with the site, thumbnails are dissapring, and sometimes the system is down.
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[QUOTE=Member#1088;2193956]Is it my imagination or something is going on with the site, thumbnails are dissapring, and sometimes the system is down.[/QUOTE]For one he had to switch it to a Netherlands based site. You know the shit going on in the USA right now. Men are not allowed to get any pussy.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2193975]You know the shit going on in the USA right now. Men are not allowed to get any pussy.[/QUOTE]It's true. Even the married guys I know aren't getting any. Luckily I have a brown sugar in the neighborhood that likes to supplement her income for a reasonable fee. She's not much to look at but the performance is stellar.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2193975]For one he had to switch it to a Netherlands based site. You know the shit going on in the USA right now. Men are not allowed to get any pussy.[/QUOTE]No, I only know of the change of how to charge for getting a paid subcription, what's going on? Is this a forum here with that info?
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[QUOTE=Member#1088;2192841]Just got requested 1 k for a cam, so I said what the heck, well she wanted 1 k USA.[/QUOTE]It's amazing what people will ask. Do you think someone actually pays that much?
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2193975]For one he had to switch it to a Netherlands based site. You know the shit going on in the USA right now. Men are not allowed to get any pussy.[/QUOTE]Women's and gay people's solicitations are also being blocked. Apparently either a new law or executive order forbids Craigslist, Backpage and others to allow personal ads or posts that might potentially harbor trafficking. I think Craigslist closed down their personals worldwide. Hunting mosquitoes with buck shot.
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[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2194460]I think Craigslist closed down their personals worldwide.[/QUOTE]Manila adverts are now in the "Travel" section.
Go figure.
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[QUOTE=RedKilt;2194468]Manila adverts are now in the "Travel" section.
Go figure.[/QUOTE]Good intel RK and one wonders what you are doing trawling the travel section of CL but I can guess LOL.
That info proved very helpful to some ladies I know and once in Cebu they will say thanks (one you sort of know already).
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[QUOTE=PinaLove;2194350]It's amazing what people will ask. Do you think someone actually pays that much?[/QUOTE]I think more likely some girl did 50 cam shows for 1000 p and told all her friends that she only did one for 1 k USD.
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[QUOTE=WickedRoger;2194549]Good intel RK and one wonders what you are doing trawling the travel section of CL but I can guess LOL.
That info proved very helpful to some ladies I know and once in Cebu they will say thanks (one you sort of know already).[/QUOTE]He was obviously booking a trip. LOL.
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[QUOTE=Member#1088;2194049]No, I only know of the change of how to charge for getting a paid subcription, what's going on? Is this a forum here with that info?[/QUOTE]Is it time to get a VPN to NL? I can't see any of the pics in the pics gallery.
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What?
I'll give this one points for creativity, "Trying to stop myself finding for the right person so I'm Starting becoming the right person so hoping and praying that the right person will eventually find there way to my heart."
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[QUOTE=XMan;2195306]I'll give this one points for creativity, "Trying to stop myself finding for the right person so I'm Starting becoming the right person so hoping and praying that the right person will eventually find there way to my heart."[/QUOTE]It's that type of logic that will attract a certain type of punter to her. Doesn't seem she has much to loose. (sic).
Enjoy the great week.
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[QUOTE=Member#1088;2194987]Is it time to get a VPN to NL? I can't see any of the pics in the pics gallery.[/QUOTE]I use WiTopia. It has numerous connections around the world including Amsterdam. Works great for me, not much overhead in terms of bandwidth loss or latency. I use it on any connection that I don't control 100%.
It costs a little but stay away from free VPN's as they are notorious for being scams that capture your log in credentials and drain your bank accounts.
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[QUOTE=PinaLove;2195686]It's that type of logic that will attract a certain type of punter to her. Doesn't seem she has much to loose. (sic).
Enjoy the great week.[/QUOTE]Believe it or not but there are actually some girls on the dating sites actually looking for a serious relationship, not a couple blue notes for a night of sex.
They take a little more effort to get to bed but are the better deal IMHO.
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[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2195768]Believe it or not but there are actually some girls on the dating sites actually looking for a serious relationship, not a couple blue notes for a night of sex.
They take a little more effort to get to bed but are the better deal IMHO.[/QUOTE]I know I am with one for 12 months already. She had to sleep with a few duds until she found me.
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DIA sign in
Well, just try to sign up for DIA again, and I loaded my pic and it was closed. I guess they have pics now in their database to cancel account?
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[QUOTE=Member#1088;2196252]Well, just try to sign up for DIA again, and I loaded my pic and it was closed. I guess they have pics now in their database to cancel account?[/QUOTE]Just wear glasses and grow a beard and then submit your picture.
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[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2195768]Believe it or not but there are actually some girls on the dating sites actually looking for a serious relationship, not a couple blue notes for a night of sex.
They take a little more effort to get to bed but are the better deal IMHO.[/QUOTE]Yes, when they first join dating site they are looking for serious relationship. Even then you will not refuse money offered. Unless she is a virgin she will go to bed with you if she likes you. It is as we all know is a dating game. If you live in Philippines it will be easy to have a live in. If you are visiting you need to play the game without promising anything. Even though they initially come across as two day old virgins sex can be easy if you know how.
Of course like anywhere else if you are looking for a wife there are more choices. But for a casual monger it is hit, hit and more hit and move on.
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Well maybe I sent too many messages in pinalove.
Is now asking me to verify my phone number again and when I do, I never calls me and give me option to upgrade the account.
I guess they want me to pay.
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[QUOTE=Member#1088;2198127]Well maybe I sent too many messages in pinalove.
Is now asking me to verify my phone number again and when I do, I never calls me and give me option to upgrade the account.
I guess they want me to pay.[/QUOTE]I noticed the same thing just last night. Had to verify my account (again).
Have seen a similar thing on [URL]Tagged.com[/URL] using my free account and when I try messaging Filipino it just says "XYX is receiving many message now. Try later or upgrade."
Just a business model decision to get people to sign up.
I'm not associated with that website, contrary to my user name.
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[QUOTE=Member#1088;2196252]Well, just try to sign up for DIA again, and I loaded my pic and it was closed. I guess they have pics now in their database to cancel account?[/QUOTE]Yes, even they memorize in your banned acct what kind of common introductory words you used with the girls. Some kind of words like "hey beautiful" "Hi sexy" if you use up may lead your acct to be banned immediately.
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How many serious girls.
Well we all use dating sites to meet girls for sex. What % of foreigners and local girls are using the sites for genuine hook ups?
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[QUOTE=PinaLove;2199835]Well we all use dating sites to meet girls for sex. What % of foreigners and local girls are using the sites for genuine hook ups?[/QUOTE]38.7% and 17.3%, respectively.
Have I guessed correctly?
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[QUOTE=Member#1088;2196252]Well, just try to sign up for DIA again, and I loaded my pic and it was closed. I guess they have pics now in their database to cancel account?[/QUOTE]Sometimes it's worth trying just to resize your picture a little bit. This may have a big impact on file size or checksum calculation and it may make their system think it's a different picture.
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[QUOTE=PinaLove;2199835]Well we all use dating sites to meet girls for sex. What % of foreigners and local girls are using the sites for genuine hook ups?[/QUOTE]Approximately, 80% of the foreign mongers are fucking the same 20% of the girls.
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[QUOTE=PinaLove;2199835]Well we all use dating sites to meet girls for sex. What % of foreigners and local girls are using the sites for genuine hook ups?[/QUOTE]Sex is not a genuine hook up? Sex is always implied, unspoken, or unzipped and held in hand with all of its warts and welts. It's the old biological itch.
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[QUOTE=Hutsori;2200053]38.7% and 17.3%, respectively.
Have I guessed correctly?[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Pompetus;2200160]Sex is not a genuine hook up? Sex is always implied, unspoken, or unzipped and held in hand with all of its warts and welts. It's the old biological itch.[/QUOTE]I think you guys are right. But there are a few guys that decide they want to find a real partner and accidentally find themselves on the same sites.
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Looking for Love in all the Wrong Places.
[QUOTE=PinaLove;2200241]I think you guys are right. But there are a few guys that decide they want to find a real partner and accidentally find themselves on the same sites.[/QUOTE]There are always some romantics marrying freelance prostitutes off the dating sites because either they did not do their research or they are overly optimistic about such unions. Anyone looking for a "real partner" should stay off the dating sites and come live in the Philippines for a few years meeting and getting to know real girls, their families, and social circles. Dating site girls are poor quality for real relationships regardless of what they claim. They tend to be looking for a foreign walking-ATM as a solution to their financial problems and ambitions.
[URL]http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/news/content/147157/many-filipinas-marry-foreigners-for-money-not-love/story/[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Fredje1961;2200132]Sometimes it's worth trying just to resize your picture a little bit. This may have a big impact on file size or checksum calculation and it may make their system think it's a different picture.[/QUOTE]Good idea, I tried, but same result. I even modify the pic a bit and no luck. I guess no DIA for me;.
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[QUOTE=Member#1088;2200618]Good idea, I tried, but same result. I even modify the pic a bit and no luck. I guess no DIA for me;.[/QUOTE]I think I found a way around it.
You can still do a search in DIA even without an account.
A lot of the times, the spiners put their actual name as the name of the account, I search for them in skype and fb.
And so far I got a few hits, not as good as having an account, but enough to keep the queue going.
In pinalove, also they use their mobile numbers as the account name. Very quick connection.
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[QUOTE=Member#1088;2200618]Good idea, I tried, but same result. I even modify the pic a bit and no luck. I guess no DIA for me;.[/QUOTE]Use a different picture.
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[QUOTE=PinaLove;2201276]Use a different picture.[/QUOTE]Different picture.
Different email.
Different phone.
Different internet connection.
Maybe they "tatoo" a cookie or something in my register.
Oh well.
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[QUOTE=Member#1088;2206788]Different picture.
Different email.
Different phone.
Different internet connection.
Maybe they "tatoo" a cookie or something in my register.
Oh well.[/QUOTE]Next time you are in Philippines use local number, use another e mail, use altered picture.
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New phone question.
[QUOTE=Sammon;2206804]Next time you are in Philippines use local number, [/QUOTE]My plan upon arrival from states is to stop in a local store in manila and buy a phone, get local number, load GRAB, and load viber. Comments on this plan please? Am I missing anything? How much will a phone set me back? Thanks.
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[QUOTE=Sammon;2206804]Next time you are in Philippines use local number, use another e mail, use altered picture.[/QUOTE]I think I found why, I put on "what I look for" "NO LADYBOYS", maybe the programer is a ladyboy and doesn't want to be filtered, LOL.
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[QUOTE=ForkTruck;2207068]My plan upon arrival from states is to stop in a local store in manila and buy a phone, get local number, load GRAB, and load viber. Comments on this plan please? Am I missing anything? How much will a phone set me back? Thanks.[/QUOTE]Don't do what I did and get told it'll work in the US, and then find that my telecoms provider doesn't support that phone. No great loss, wasn't in a contract so I just switched providers to one that did.
A83 set me back about US $188. Can't remember the piso price but probably Php9,999. Does the job, no point spending $750-1000 on a Samsung Galaxy or iPhone anymore, it seems. Plenty of new smartphones at half that price also, might have a few less features.
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[QUOTE=Simmer;2207138]Don't do what I did and get told it'll work in the US, and then find that my telecoms provider doesn't support that phone. No great loss, wasn't in a contract so I just switched providers to one that did.
A83 set me back about US $188. Can't remember the piso price but probably Php9,999. Does the job, no point spending $750-1000 on a Samsung Galaxy or iPhone anymore, it seems. Plenty of new smartphones at half that price also, might have a few less features.[/QUOTE]Don't go for the cheapest models as they have so little memory that you will not be able to add many apps which will limit online hook ups.
I bought a cheap phone with 1 GB of rom which turned out to be essentially useless. $100 should get you some thing with 4 GB which will do everything you need.
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[QUOTE=Goferring;2207144]Don't go for the cheapest models as they have so little memory that you will not be able to add many apps which will limit online hook ups.
I bought a cheap phone with 1 GB of rom which turned out to be essentially useless. $100 should get you some thing with 4 GB which will do everything you need.[/QUOTE]Exactly. The phones are cheap for a reason. Just because they look the same on the outside does not mean they are the same under the hood. I bought a Galaxy J1 at the same time I had a Galaxy S5. The J1 was so bad that I ended up giving it to my seven year old nephew. You can get those cheap ones in the US and on ebay amd Amazon. You don't have to wait til you get to PI. The same model is usually the same price in different countries and most times even cheaper in the US due to taxes.
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[QUOTE=ForkTruck;2207068]My plan upon arrival from states is to stop in a local store in manila and buy a phone, get local number, load GRAB, and load viber. Comments on this plan please? Am I missing anything? How much will a phone set me back? Thanks.[/QUOTE]Your plan is ok if you want a cheap phone and poor service.
I suggest the following.
1. While in America get a good unlocked 4 g LTE service cell phone from Amazon for under $150. Make SURE it is GSM network, which would be AT+T. Do NOT buy Verizon network cp. 4 gLTE works good for Grab app without WiFi. Buy at least 8 gb cp and you can add a memory card to it.
2. Download your apps in USA with your better WiFi. Download all apps to your memory card so it doesn't slow down your cp.
3. At the airport you can buy your SIM card and load. Ask the girl to install the SIM card for you if you are cp challenged. I suggest you get a Smart brand SIM card.
4. At the hotel with WiFi you can activate your apps with the new cp number.
5. If you don't understand GSM, 8 gb, memory card, nano sim, micro sim and other stuff, just read up on the specs at Amazon.
6. Please report back on your purchase whether in USA or Phil. Also on what your network was and how do your cp performed. Please feel free to write FR’s as you are there.
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Adding to others. Better if phone has LTE Band 28. Google is your friend. LTE Bands 5,3,1 are listed but I am not sure. So 2 GB+ memory and 16 GB+ internal storage is better. I like 2 sims but that jacks the price up.
Motorolas are cheaper than Samsung and are great phones but poor camera. Depends on your budget. Some go on sale for under USD100 but you need to keep an eye. Motorola G4 for USD130 on their website.
Amazon label phones are ad sponsored and cannot be rooted. If you want something to last and keep, get a OnePlus. If you are tech challenged, just a G4 and above Motorola or a OnePlus. Cannot go wrong.
I am waiting for 5 G to role out and then pick up some 4 G give away phones on sale.
[QUOTE=ForkTruck;2207068]My plan upon arrival from states is to stop in a local store in manila and buy a phone, get local number, load GRAB, and load viber. Comments on this plan please? Am I missing anything? How much will a phone set me back? Thanks.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=MrEnternational;2207154]I bought a Galaxy J1 at the same time I had a Galaxy S5.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Dg8787;2207176]1. While in America get a good unlocked 4 g LTE service cell phone from Amazon for under $150. Make SURE it is GSM network, which would beAT+T. Do NOT buy Verizon network cp. 4 gLTE works good for Grab app without WiFi. Buy at least 8 gb cp and you can add a memory card to it.
2. Download your apps in USA with your better WiFi. Download all apps to your memory card so it doesn't slow down your cp.
3. At the airport you can buy your SIM card and load. Ask the girl to install the SIM card for you if you are cp challenged. I suggest you get a Smart brand SIM card..[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Simmer;2207138]A83 set me back about US $188. Can't remember the piso price but probably Php9,999. Does the job, no point spending $750-1000 on a Samsung Galaxy or iPhone anymore, it seems. Plenty of new smartphones at half that price also, might have a few less features.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Goferring;2207144]Don't go for the cheapest models as they have so little memory that you will not be able to add many apps which will limit online hook ups.
I bought a cheap phone with 1 GB of rom which turned out to be essentially useless. $100 should get you some thing with 4 GB which will do everything you need.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Goferring;2207144]Don't go for the cheapest models as they have so little memory that you will not be able to add many apps which will limit online hook ups.[/QUOTE]Indeed. That's why I ended up buying one at $188 instead of half that amount. So far it's been fine.
[QUOTE=Dg8787;2207176]2. Download your apps in USA with your better WiFi. Download all apps to your memory card so it doesn't slow down your cp.[/QUOTE]I would just add offline maps to that. It's been invaluable in Mexico and the Philippines when my roaming access has been less than ideal and I'm checking where I am / going to (eg in taxi).
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[QUOTE=Simmer;2207204]Indeed. That's why I ended up buying one at $188 instead of half that amount. So far it's been fine..[/QUOTE]I paid about the same and luckily it came with fast charging. A very handy feature for a travel phone so you can grab quick top ups between flights and taxis.
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[QUOTE=Dg8787;2207176]I suggest the following.
1. While in America get a good unlocked 4 g LTE service cell phone from Amazon for under $150. Make SURE it is GSM network, which would be AT+T. Do NOT buy Verizon network cp. 4 gLTE works good for Grab app without WiFi. Buy at least 8 gb cp and you can add a memory card to it.[/QUOTE]This has worked well for me. Also consider a phone with dual sim slots. This way you can maintain a stateside sim and a Smart or Globe sim in the Philippines without switching out sim cards. Just remember to switch the phone to the appropriate sim for each country. Make sure the phone from Amazon is specifically "unlocked" and "GSM. " The Smart and Globe stands in the Philippine airport will switch out sim cards for you if you only have a single slot, but then you have the hassle of carrying your little stateside sim around without losing it--and vice versa with the Phils sim when you get back to the states. BTW, GSM phones work in most other countries.
Stateside providers that offer service for unlocked GSM phones include AT&T, T-Mobile, Cricket, MetroPCS, Simple Mobile, and Tracfone.
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Is that a warning or an invitation? Oh, I love these DIA gals.
i'm just a simple, sweet and friendly person but don't try to push me off my limit because surely will blow you off to the universe!
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[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2207261]This has worked well for me. Also consider a phone with dual sim slots. This way you can maintain a stateside sim and a Smart or Globe sim in the Philippines without switching out sim cards. Just remember to switch the phone to the appropriate sim for each country. Make sure the phone from Amazon is specifically "unlocked" and "GSM. " The Smart and Globe stands in the Philippine airport will switch out sim cards for you if you only have a single slot, but then you have the hassle of carrying your little stateside sim around without losing it--and vice versa with the Phils sim when you get back to the states. BTW, GSM phones work in most other countries.
Stateside providers that offer service for unlocked GSM phones include AT&T, T-Mobile, Cricket, MetroPCS, Simple Mobile, and Tracfone.[/QUOTE]I use an older Iphone dedicated for PH and keep contact numbers on it. Lately I have found the iPhones have excellent LTE coverage which provides great internet connection. Phone calls are clearer on it too. I should say with Smart SIM card. I have no idea about Globe.
The Iphone has an easy block caller on it.
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Phone purchased.
[QUOTE=Dg8787;2207176]Your plan is ok if you want a cheap phone and poor service.
6. Please report back on your purchase whether in USA or Phil. Also on what your network was and how do your cp performed. Please feel free to write FRs as you are there.[/QUOTE]Thanks to all for the great advice.
At a small local cell phone store I bought an LG AT&T phone. It is a 4 g LTE GSM unlocked with 16 MG, cost was $130. The dealer said he has many southeast Asia customers who want the same thing. I have loaded it with several apps and am ready to go. I did not buy any airtime for the phone so when I get in Manila I will buy sim and have local number to set up the new apps. More to follow.
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[QUOTE=ForkTruck;2207616]Thanks to all for the great advice.
At a small local cell phone store I bought an LG AT&T phone. It is a 4 g LTE GSM unlocked with 16 MG, cost was $130. The dealer said he has many southeast Asia customers who want the same thing. I have loaded it with several apps and am ready to go. I did not buy any airtime for the phone so when I get in Manila I will buy sim and have local number to set up the new apps. More to follow.[/QUOTE]Last few times I was there the Globe / Smart people at the airport were giving away free sim cards.
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[QUOTE=Shark5;2207780]Last few times I was there the Globe / Smart people at the airport were giving away free sim cards.[/QUOTE]If you get Smart SIM card then get P100 load. Then get the ALLIN99 promo for P99. This will get you 7 days unlimited texting to the 3 or more networks, 1 gb of data and 100 free minutes of calling within the network. Ask the kiosk person to help you with it.
This is only a suggestion. I reload every 7 days. This saves on the frustration of running out of load and no where in sight to reload. Of course you can buy prepaid P100 load cards to reload later.
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[QUOTE=Dg8787;2207965]If you get Smart SIM card then get P100 load. Then get the ALLIN99 promo for P99. This will get you 7 days unlimited texting to the 3 or more networks, 1 gb of data and 100 free minutes of calling within the network. Ask the kiosk person to help you with it.
This is only a suggestion. I reload every 7 days. This saves on the frustration of running out of load and no where in sight to reload. Of course you can buy prepaid P100 load cards to reload later.[/QUOTE]At the airport Smart will not sell a load less than 500, and the 7Eleven in the airport does not sell the loads. I just always wait until I get in town and go to a normal 7Eleven and get a 200 load. I use SURFMAXPLUS50 which gets me 800 MB of data/day for P50. I'm only there a few days and use a lot of data, so the P50 plan works great for me.
Your SURFMAX PLUS will expire within 60 mins . To continue surfing, Subscribe again to any SURFMAX PLUS package. Available in 3 denominations: SURFMAXPLUS50 P50/day, SURFMAXPLUS299 P299/7days and SURFMAXPLUS995 P995/30days. Just text SURFMAXPLUS(denomination) to 9999 ex. SURFMAXPLUS50 to 9999
1/3 You have successfully registered to the NEW SURFMAX PLUS 50. Enjoy All day surfing up to 800MB/day. Load is valid for 1 day.
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Not to rain on your parade but many ATT phones only have the US LTE bands. You should double check the specs on line at the ATT site or at least 2 other sites. Sometimes the ATT sites are actually wrong with the specs. The LG US site should have the correct one but make sure you look at the ATT branded phones.
4 G LTE bands are different from 3 G bands. 2 G got axed in the States several years ago.
As I said before, I like the Motorola G4 and above phones and the OnePlus phones. Both have Worldwide band, a term ATT uses. But those 2 really cover the world like the top end Samsungs. OnePlus is a top end flagship phone for a great price. The latest iteration is 6. The camera is great for preserving your memories.
[QUOTE=ForkTruck;2207616]Thanks to all for the great advice.
At a small local cell phone store I bought an LG AT&T phone. It is a 4 g LTE GSM unlocked with 16 MG, cost was $130. The dealer said he has many southeast Asia customers who want the same thing. I have loaded it with several apps and am ready to go. I did not buy any airtime for the phone so when I get in Manila I will buy sim and have local number to set up the new apps. More to follow.[/QUOTE].
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[QUOTE=Dg8787;2207965]If you get Smart SIM card then get P100 load. Then get the ALLIN99 promo for P99. This will get you 7 days unlimited texting to the 3 or more networks, 1 gb of data and 100 free minutes of calling within the network. Ask the kiosk person to help you with it.[/QUOTE]Or look at their website for other promos, for only 1 day up to 30 days. They often change them or have new ones.
smart.com.ph/prepaid
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2207976]At the airport Smart will not sell a load less than 500, [/QUOTE]Although I wasn't buying data, I bought 300 from them when I came through in April. Did the same for a newbie colleague whom I met at the airport a few days later. You usually come off as very sophisticated, so I'm surprised they took advantage of you in that way. Was the sales person female?
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[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2208588]Although I wasn't buying data, I bought 300 from them when I came through in April. Did the same for a newbie colleague whom I met at the airport a few days later. You usually come off as very sophisticated, so I'm surprised they took advantage of you in that way. Was the sales person female?[/QUOTE]I always ask the ones next to the money exchange and the ATM. There is a double Smart booth. So there are usually several agents, male and female. Every time I go through there they say the same thing so I never buy there. I will try again this month.
Does anyone know if there are any online sites where you can buy a Smart load? For other countries I use etopuponline, but only Globe is available on that site for PI.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2208618]....
Does anyone know if there are any online sites where you can buy a Smart load? For other countries I use etopuponline, but only Globe is available on that site for PI.[/QUOTE]A few years ago I used [URL]worldremit.com[/URL] to top up my Smart number but now have a Globe number so have not used them since 2014.
Also Lazada sells load, with a 5% discount. You pay 950 for 1000 load.
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[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2208632]A few years ago I used [URL]worldremit.com[/URL] to top up my Smart number but now have a Globe number so have not used them since 2014.
Also Lazada sells load, with a 5% discount. You pay 950 for 1000 load.[/QUOTE]Prepaid load can be added online at both [URL]globe.com.ph[/URL] and [URL]smart.com.ph[/URL]. You just need to register your number first.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2208618].
Does anyone know if there are any online sites where you can buy a Smart load? For other countries I use etopuponline, but only Globe is available on that site for PI.[/QUOTE]Always use [URL]www.ding.com[/URL].
Works well in most of the places I go (and I travel to a lot of counties). Apart from the usual suspects in the Philippines it also does Cherry Mobile now.
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[QUOTE=WickedRoger;2208922]Always use [URL]www.ding.com[/URL].
Works well in most of the places I go (and I travel to a lot of counties). Apart from the usual suspects in the Philippines it also does Cherry Mobile now.[/QUOTE]WR I too use Ding but it is expensive I think compared to say 7-11 or other options on the ground in Ph.
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[QUOTE=BrainDrain;2208940]WR I too use Ding but it is expensive I think compared to say 7-11 or other options on the ground in Ph.[/QUOTE]It costs $3. 00 for a load of 115. $1. 30 for 50 load. Yes, it does cost more for the convience of sitting in my air con room ordering it online.
Last time I went out and bought a load was 2 years ago. It was hot hot hot and muggy muggy muggy day. I walked 140 meters to 7-11 and they were "out of stock sir". And then walked to several other places with no luck. I went back to my air con room thought to myself "How much was I really saving?" And was it worth it?
That was the last time I ever bought load “on the ground”.
BTW, I use ding to load a girl who is coming to visit me.
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[QUOTE=Dg8787;2209644]It costs $3. 00 for a load of 115. $1. 30 for 50 load. Yes, it does cost more for the convience of sitting in my air con room ordering it online.
Last time I went out and bought a load was 2 years ago. It was hot hot hot and muggy muggy muggy day. I walked 140 meters to 7-11 and they were "out of stock sir". And then walked to several other places with no luck. I went back to my air con room thought to myself "How much was I really saving?" And was it worth it?
That was the last time I ever bought load on the ground.
BTW, I use ding to load a girl who is coming to visit me.[/QUOTE]I use [URL]sendah.com[/URL].
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Women's desirability peaks at 18 yrs and steeply declines until 65 on dating apps.
"The average woman's desirability drops from the time she is 18 until she is 60," the researchers wrote. "For men, desirability peaks around 50 and then declines."
It was an unexpected finding for the researchers.
"The age gradient for women definitely surprised us both in terms of the fact that it steadily declined from the time women were 18 to the time they were 65, and also how steep it was," Elizabeth Bruch, an associate professor of sociology at the University of Michigan and an author of the study, told The New York Times.
Education was also a major component of desirability, though, again, it differs between the sexes: more education always makes men more desirable, while a woman with an undergraduate degree not higher is most desirable.
[URL]https://bigthink.com/stephen-johnson/study-women-peak-at-18-on-dating-apps-men-peak-at-50[/URL]
It turns out Filipinas are right when they start saying they are getting old at 21 years of age. Unfortunately, 40-year-old American women are still trying to convince uninterested men on dating apps that they are like "fine wine" just when they hit menopause because they have a PhD and tons of debt!
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[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2212862].....
It turns out Filipinas are right when they start saying they are getting old at 21 years of age. Unfortunately, 40-year-old American women are still trying to convince uninterested men on dating apps that they are like "fine wine" just when they hit menopause because they have a PhD and tons of debt![/QUOTE]The study was done in 4 US major cities. While there was consistency across these cities it is not a sure thing to extrapolate this data to a different culture. Over extrapolation of data is a major problem in any reviewing of any research. I am not saying that it does or does not apply, just be careful in making the extrapolation comparisons.
I would think that the results would apply as well to say Toronto or perhaps London or a major European city as the cultural norms are the same but that it is not a sure thing to apply it to the local action.
I do agree based on my experience that long replies are not always more productive but here that may be a language issue as much or more than a cultural issue. That is not data but anecdote.
There is some social biological trends that would make the results comparable. It has been noted across many cultures that men look for women who appear to be good breeding stock, hence the attractiveness of 18 to 25 year olds as that is prime child birthing years.
Women look for providers and protectors. Men with education can provide and protect and a modern society. Here just being foreign means that you are seen as rich and therefore a good provider, education may not be as key an issue here as in the USA.
I would hazard a guess that here because of the cultural relationship to age that the peak age for men would be higher than the 50 noted in the study. I'm early 60's and have 500 matches on tinder, many with women in the 18 to 25 year old range. I have rejected just about as many matches in Tinder Gold as that of the older fatter and uglier ones. (with many kids etc.). I get a good response rate on pinalove and SA as well.
As far as dating down the desirability scale, I think that that would be a constant just about everywhere. I seldom approach the extremely attractive ladies on the sites. Partially because they are usually ladyboys but also because they tend to be hardened pros as well. I wil approach a very pretty girl who looks like a normal girl and have had some good results with these. I always reject the fuglies.
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[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2212862]"The average woman's desirability drops from the time she is 18 until she is 60," the researchers wrote. "For men, desirability peaks around 50 and then declines."
It was an unexpected finding for the researchers.[/QUOTE]Thanks for this finding, CM. I wish more women would understand this, especially here in the USA In terms of older women, I would still do Raquel Welch, Sophia Loren or Dolly Parton if they let me haha. This hobby, however, affords in-numerous opportunities to bang the lusty, busty 20 -35 age range, Asian and Latin, my personal preferences. Cheers.
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What this does not consider is that there are unique cougar sites in which fine wine older ladies are bringing in younger guys. So the sample in this referenced study has captured only that population of adults who seek out the mass audience approach. Please note that the study also only measures initial attraction, and does not consider how attraction may mature over time. Also, are we to assume that people who use online dating sites are necessarily similar to the general population of people who find dates through friends, at pickup bars, and in other ways? KG is correct that it is not always true that results in an American study necessarily generalize to other countries, especially developing countries.
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[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2213111]What this does not consider.......[/QUOTE]Good call on the selection biases there soapy.
Just about all studies in the social sciences have these problems, the fact that the popular media, which consists of reporters not at knowledgeable in statistics and research methods, often misses the actual point of the study, they will read the abstract with no understanding of the specific meanings of terms used and look for the headline material only.
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Trip Planning.
Hi guys,
Although it is only August (and I am traveling in Nov. Dec) I did a search on Filipina Cupid targeting exclusively age 18 -35 with chest listed as best feature. To my surprise over 1000 popped up of which I have perused 600 so far. Of course Filipinas think anything over an A cup is big haha. Equally, many are chubby or ugly or both. I prefer the cute, slim and stacked but willing to sacrifice a pretty face for boobs. The lesser attractive girls frequently try harder, yes? Then I contacted the cute or semi-cute ones in the cities I will be visiting: Makati, Malate, Batangas, Sabang, Angeles, Subic / Olangapo and Lapu Lapu. Naturally these are locations where one can hunt quite successfully without pre-arranging an internet date but sometimes it is fun to already have something set up particularly if you see what she's like on skype or whatsapp. It will be interesting to see if and how many responses I get and more interesting if we actually connect given the unreliability of the species. My guess is one out of 20. I'll also be in Jakarta and Bali for business prior. Indo chicks are the bustiest in Asia, BTW. Anyway, any big boob referrals are appreciated and I promise to treat them right. Don't mind paying a little extra for exceptional girls, of course. Most Filipinas are sweet as can be, not the brightest but who cares about that. Cheers, mates.
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[QUOTE=DCups;2214291]Hi guys,
Then I contacted the cute or semi-cute ones in the cities I will be visiting: Makati, Malate, Batangas, Sabang, Angeles, Subic / Olangapo and Lapu Lapu.[/QUOTE]Have you had much luck or fun in Batangas in the past? I've heard there are lots of broke college girls there and with Sabang becoming more hardened, a stopover might be a fun option for a few days. ??
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Hi G,
I've never been there or Sabang before.
[QUOTE=Goferring;2214360]Have you had much luck or fun in Batangas in the past? I've heard there are lots of broke college girls there and with Sabang becoming more hardened, a stopover might be a fun option for a few days.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=DCups;2214385]Hi G,
I've never been there or Sabang before.[/QUOTE]Ok. Report back on what you find in Batangas as it's been on my radar for a while but I've just never got around to staying there.
It's been a while since I've been to Sabang but search out the Midnight mamasan from Davao. She's really short, really fat, dresses in black on black and often the centre of attention playing around with the girls. Best of all for you, she has 3 houses full of big breasted Davao girls who will meet your needs and then some.
Sorry for the half assed description but I can't remember her name.
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[QUOTE=Goferring;2214360]Have you had much luck or fun in Batangas in the past? I've heard there are lots of broke college girls there and with Sabang becoming more hardened, a stopover might be a fun option for a few days.[/QUOTE]I have had luck G but takes time as some are more conservative. Good unis there but need to play it carefully as some maybe 'shy' to start. I have also brought cuties from Cebu and Manila to Batangas for a weekend of fun.
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[QUOTE=Goferring;2214400]3 houses full of big breasted Davao girls who will meet your needs and then some.
.[/QUOTE]Sounds like heaven, G, thanks! I'll be in Batangas one night only and six nights for a Sabang-a-thon at Papa Fred's. Cheers.
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Date in Asia
Talk about a waste of fucking time. I was on the site damn near all the way to Japan. Literally 99% of these dumb broads put Manila in their profile but they live in Davao, Colocan, etc. One chick said she USED to live in Manila. But what does that have to do with today?
Then the one chick that just happened to actually be in Manila said she had just come back from Bahrain and was at NAIA Terminal 3 on her way to Davao. I said why in the hell would you put Manila in your profile then? She said because nobody would chat with her if she put Davao. I told her it is stupid. If I am in London looking for people in London, why would you put London in your profile if you are in Paris? I am not looking for people in fucking Paris!
I started copy and pasting, "Hello. What are you doing? I would like to know you. But more importantly, where do you live?" And you know what they answer 90% of the time? "I am fine. How are you?
I swear this place is the Dominican of the Pacific. These people don't have sense enough to pour plss out of a boot, with the directions on the bottom.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2214948]Talk about a waste of fucking time. I was on the site damn near all the way to Japan. Literally 99% of these dumb broads put Manila in their profile but they live in Davao, Colocan, etc. One chick said she USED to live in Manila. But what does that have to do with today?
Then the one chick that just happened to actually be in Manila said she had just come back from Bahrain and was at NAIA Terminal 3 on her way to Davao. I said why in the hell would you put Manila in your profile then? She said because nobody would chat with her if she put Davao. I told her it is stupid. If I am in London looking for people in London, why would you put London in your profile if you are in Paris? I am not looking for people in fucking Paris!
[/QUOTE]I have written about this many times on the board Mr E.
The answer is always the same: if I put where I really live no foreigner will write to me because they all stay in Manila so I will put Manila to hook them in even if I live on another planet. I always get really angry with them when I get this response and then I block them.
The other "trick" they use is to make their height much taller than they really are, because they assume foreigners prefer taller girls.
I have lost count of the number of times I have said "Wow, you are nice and tall" only to be told "Sorry sir, it's a mistake. I am only 155 cm".
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2214948]Talk about a waste of fucking time. I was on the site damn near all the way to Japan. Literally 99% of these dumb broads put Manila in their profile but they live in Davao, Colocan, etc. One chick said she USED to live in Manila. But what does that have to do with today?
I started copy and pasting, "Hello. What are you doing? I would like to know you. But more importantly, where do you live?" And you know what they answer 90% of the time? "I am fine. How are you?[/QUOTE]I have found that you cannot ask anyone from PR multiple questions in one shot. They will ALWAYS leave out at least one or two of the answers. You have three questions? You have to ask them one at a time. Wait for the answer then ask the next question. Painful!
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[QUOTE=BaddHabbit;2214962]I have found that you cannot ask anyone from PR multiple questions in one shot. They will ALWAYS leave out at least one or two of the answers. You have three questions? You have to ask them one at a time. Wait for the answer then ask the next question. Painful![/QUOTE]Unfortunately this is not restricted to Filipino's. Even at my work, where I'm dealing with well educated European and American people for the most part, I often get only one or two answers when I actually had three questions for them LOL.
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[QUOTE=RedKilt;2214960]I have written about this many times on the board Mr E.
The answer is always the same: if I put where I really live no foreigner will write to me because they all stay in Manila so I will put Manila to hook them in even if I live on another planet. I always get really angry with them when I get this response and then I block them.
The other "trick" they use is to make their height much taller than they really are, because they assume foreigners prefer taller girls.
I have lost count of the number of times I have said "Wow, you are nice and tall" only to be told "Sorry sir, it's a mistake. I am only 155 cm".[/QUOTE]The other one I find is weight. They say 40 kgs and look at the height and ask are you sure? Then you get a different answer some of which is not what you want to hear. One told me she was 42 kg. Now she was 67 kgs (they are older pictures from 6 months ago sir. So you like chubby girls?
Now I know we do tend to stretch the imagination at times regarding ourselves so I just laugh and move onto to another.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2214948]
I started copy and pasting, "Hello. What are you doing? I would like to know you. But more importantly, where do you live?" And you know what they answer 90% of the time? "I am fine. How are you?[/QUOTE]It sounds like she followed your lead, copied and paste, haha.
I think part of the location hook is to get paid transportation to Manila. Or even better, to have the guy send money for transportation to Manila.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2214948]
I swear this place is the Dominican of the Pacific..[/QUOTE]LOL it's true. But we don't love them for their brains.
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[QUOTE=SaltyPete;2215026]It sounds like she followed your lead, copied and paste, haha.
I think part of the location hook is to get paid transportation to Manila. Or even better, to have the guy send money for transportation to Manila.[/QUOTE]Dude it is not even that. I told chicks to borrow the money and I would give it to them when they got here. They said nobody has it for them to borrow. They never suggested me send anything. Then one chick asked me to donate food and clean water because of a flood in her town. I said but how are you going to get it if you don't have money to come here? She said she didn't think. Of that.
Switch over to WeChat on arrival and chicks are trying to force me to let them come over immediately. Total 180 from DIA.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2215194]I told chicks to borrow the money and I would give it to them when they got here. They said nobody has it for them to borrow.
Switch over to WeChat on arrival and chicks are trying to force me to let them come over immediately. Total 180 from DIA.[/QUOTE]No one ever able to borrow from anyone Mr E. Always the case and has never been any difference IMHO. They know I am good to give but still want the 'allowance' - no one in the family can give them even when I remind them that 'family is always first. So you tell me'. That always gets a great reply about how they can never be trusted (but they were umber 1 the day before in another chat). It goes on and on but in the end I don't send and say I see her the next time. Suddenly they find a way to borrow (well most do) LOL.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2214948]Talk about a waste of fucking time. I was on the site damn near all the way to Japan. Literally 99% of these dumb broads put Manila in their profile but they live in Davao, Colocan, etc. One chick said she USED to live in Manila. But what does that have to do with today?
Then the one chick that just happened to actually be in Manila said she had just come back from Bahrain and was at NAIA Terminal 3 on her way to Davao. I said why in the hell would you put Manila in your profile then? She said because nobody would chat with her if she put Davao. I told her it is stupid. If I am in London looking for people in London, why would you put London in your profile if you are in Paris? I am not looking for people in fucking Paris!
I started copy and pasting, "Hello. What are you doing? I would like to know you. But more importantly, where do you live?" And you know what they answer 90% of the time? "I am fine. How are you?
I swear this place is the Dominican of the Pacific. These people don't have sense enough to pour plss out of a boot, with the directions on the bottom.[/QUOTE]LOL. Same with Thai girls on the dating sites. I state at least three times in my very brief profile statement and closing statement that I am "looking for a Bangkok lady", "will only see you if you are in Bangkok", "If you are not in Bangkok now or not planning to be in Bangkok very soon, please don't, blah, blah" Yet I constantly get clicked Interested in by girls in Chiang Mai, Korat, Roi Et, Trang, etc. Naturally, they are often the youngest and cutest girls.
The first thing I say to them on an email after they've clicked "Interested" in me is, "I like you, too, but I live in Bangkok. Are you in Bangkok now?"
Never. No plans go there. Sometimes "used to live there", like you said. LOL.
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[QUOTE=BaddHabbit;2214962]I have found that you cannot ask anyone from PR multiple questions in one shot. They will ALWAYS leave out at least one or two of the answers. You have three questions? You have to ask them one at a time. Wait for the answer then ask the next question. Painful![/QUOTE]Not just that but they feel they must give an answer, even if they don't know. Or in a shop, "do you have this shirt in my size?" - "yes sir, here sir" as she holds up a completely different design / colour AND wrong size shirt.
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I can confirm for US and European. One reason for travel. Sit there face to face and ask one question at a time. A waste but that is how many float to the top.
[QUOTE=Mogwai;2214967]Unfortunately this is not restricted to Filipino's. Even at my work, where I'm dealing with well educated European and American people for the most part, I often get only one or two answers when I actually had three questions for them LOL.[/QUOTE]
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Mongering Economics
Let's take a look at the economics for the average tourist monger.
By average I mean a guy who flies in here, gets as many different girls as he can over a 2 week or 10 day period then flies home.
We have to make a few assumptions. (US $).
Airfare here say $2,000. Could be less if he lives near an airport with direct Home to Manila flights, less for an Aussie perhaps more for a European. This would be about the minimum for a Canadian or an American who had a connecting flight to an airport flying into Manila.
Accommodation for 12 nights. (two week vacation with 2 days lost in transit) say $100 per night.
Meals, travel and beer money say another $75 per day.
ST 3000 p or $60 and LT 5000 p or $100.
The guy takes a short time and a long time for overnight every day he is here.
Total Costs.
Airfare 2000.
Hotel 1200.
Meals and beer 900.
ST 720.
LT 1200.
Total costs about $6,000 give or take a little.
Now lets compare that to taking ST at home for say $200.
A guy could have 30 sessions and here he would only get 24, but 12 of them would be LT. In addition be could spread these out over a longer time and most likely get more satisfaction out of them as the vacation intensity here would invoke the law of diminishing returns on the enjoyment levels.
Now a lot of other factors can come into play here, my estimates may vary considerable for different levels of vacationing expenses, a guy could just like the freedom of mongering here more than at home, the opportunity for 3 somes and 4 some's. A guy has to go somewhere for vacation. Some guys just like Asian and pinnas in general more than other types etc.
I really don't see why guys come from North America to here strictly for mongering when there are many closer destinations in the Caribbean and Latin America that offer similar experiences at much less costs. Sousa in the DR for example can be less than half the airfare and you don't lose two days travel time. Mongering and accommodation costs are about the same or even a little less.
There are no right or wrong views, it is all a matter of opinions and individual circumstances.
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[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2216485]I really don't see why guys come from North America to here strictly for mongering when there are many closer destinations in the Caribbean and Latin America that offer similar experiences at much less costs. Sousa in the DR for example can be less than half the airfare and you don't lose two days travel time. Mongering and accommodation costs are about the same or even a little less.[/QUOTE]You actually do lose 2 days going to the Dominican Republic if you are coming from the west coast of the USA. You would have to leave today and either spend the night in one of the east coast cities or take an all-nighter and arrive there in the morning the next day before one of the DR flights left out.
You won't get half the games in PI as you will get in DR. Hearing leche papi leche (cum baby cum) as soon as you stick your dick in is no fun. Having chicks trying to take anything you have laying around that is not bolted down is no fun. Having chicks try to extort you for a higher fee after the deed is done is no fun. And I won't even talk about the requests for money, even from chicks that are not hookers.
About an hour ago I was just telling another board member that I need to stay away from Dominicans. They must be the unluckiest people on earth. Every day they have a new sad story. Chick just sent me a picture saying her son cut himself today and she had to take him to the doctor. I would have thought it was bullshit, but it is definitely her name at the bottom of the prescription. Everyday they are sending you pictures of an IV in their hand, a positive pregnancy test (I never tell them that I can't even have kids) or some other bullshit. So I just started replying with a picture of the times something has gone wrong with me and I had to go to the hospital. That usually shuts them up.
The other BM said, "My girls needed school clothes I said ask your sister and mother in jersey. She said mother not working I said ask the boys father or uncles she said she dont like asking them for shit. But the girl got no problem asking me for money all the time. fuck that." Hell he is retired. I told him to tell her that he is not working either. Where do they get off even thinking another man should accept the burden of taking care of a kid they have with someone else just because they stuck their dick in them?
Then if you are mongering off some website at home, are those chicks giving you GFE? I have no idea because I have never paid for a girl in the States. The point is, you must compare the total experience and not just the cost of sticking your dick into a hole. The city bus will get you from point A to point B just fine for $2, but for some reasons some people would rather make the journey in the Lexus they they are paying $500/month for instead.
*I will also add that some guys like the body types that are more often found in Asia. The boardmembers: No tits and no ass, shaped like a 2X8 wooden board. That is hard to come by in Latin America and the Caribbean.
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[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2216485]Let's take a look at the economics for the average tourist monger.[/QUOTE]I once BYO'd a girl around the Visayas because (amongst other reasons) I didn't want to pay extortionate tourist rates.
In the end she cost 60 k for two weeks in 2 locations. The most expensive cheap sex I've ever had. . .
[QUOTE=Goferring;1972066]"I want to save money and not pay repeated bar fines and / or inflated service charges at remote or tourist areas". I spent 10 k per week for her, 14 k on airfares to two destinations and probably 2 k per day on her trips, trinkets and food. Surprisingly, food in tourist destinations was not a trivial cost. It literally cost more to feed her than fuck her. Do the math over 14 days and the exercise cost 60 k. In hindsight, this could have paid a lot of tourist mark ups for local short timers, a hell of a catch up blow out upon return to civilization or even an extension to the holiday.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2216485]Let's take a look at the economics for the average tourist monger.
[/QUOTE]Just a few comments because I think the average tourist monger is paying less.
[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2216485]
Airfare here say $2,000. Could be less if he lives near an airport with direct Home to Manila flights, less for an Aussie perhaps more for a European.
[/QUOTE]Don't know about the USA or Australia but for a European the average airfare will be $1,000 at the most. Maybe even lower.
[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2216485]
Accommodation for 12 nights. (two week vacation with 2 days lost in transit) say $100 per night.
[/QUOTE]That is around PhP 5000, which is quite a lot for a hotel in the Phils. The average monger is not staying at the ABC Hotel for example. I think $50 or $60 per night would be more realistic.
[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2216485]
Meals, travel and beer money say another $75 per day.
[/QUOTE]I guess this amount depends a lot on how much alcohol you drink. I spent only about $25 per day for this.
[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2216485]
ST 3000 p or $60 and LT 5000 p or $100.
The guy takes a short time and a long time for overnight every day he is here.
[/QUOTE]These amounts depend a lot on where you get your girls (in the bars or elsewhere (freelancers, street girls)) and how many you want / need obviously.
But for the average tourist monger who gets his girls in the bars, these amounts are correct I guess.
[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2216485]
I really don't see why guys come from North America to here strictly for mongering when there are many closer destinations in the Caribbean and Latin America that offer similar experiences at much less costs.[/QUOTE]I live in Europe (Holland) so for me there are no closer destinations (the Caribbean is a bit closer but not much) but nevertheless I also wonder sometimes why I spend so much money, two or three times a year, to get pussy. It has even come to the point that I hardly have P4 P girls anymore when I'm home, because the scene has deteriorated rapidly in my country in the last five years or so. I much rather spend my money on an extra holiday in SE Asia.
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[QUOTE=Mogwai;2216539]Just a few comments because I think the average tourist monger is paying less.
Don't know about the USA or Australia but for a European the average airfare will be $1,000 at the most. Maybe even lower.[/QUOTE]Assuming that you are buying your flights reasonably in advance (for me that advance means about 1 week. So I don't count), then flights from Aus can be had for around $350-400 USD. Of course, it is also the closest destination of this type (at 7-9 hours) for us.
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Airline fare / s. Yours do not seem credible.
[QUOTE=BaddHabbit;2216583]Assuming that you are buying your flights reasonably in advance (for me that advance means about 1 week. So I don't count), then flights from Aus can be had for around $350-400 USD. Of course, it is also the closest destination of this type (at 7-9 hours) for us.[/QUOTE]Yeh? State the airline / s offering that price, or are they hot air balloons your are talking about?
Please desist from posting misinformation. If credible, quote airlines.
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[QUOTE=BaddHabbit;2216583]flights from Aus can be had for around $350-400 USD. Of course, it is also the closest destination of this type (at 7-9 hours) for us.[/QUOTE]It's cheaper than that BH.
I have been on the Manila to Sydney run twice this year on Cebu Pacific. Cost was 3999 php each way (or 155 USD round trip). I pay extra 2 x 500 php for an exit row. Easy trip. Planes are good. I don't eat food on board which I feel is unnecessary anyway (apart from it being crap). Who wants to eat dinner at 12 midnight? I practice my intermittent fasting, with dinner pre-departure and then brunch around midday next day.
You pay more than twice as much on PAL for exactly the same duration trip.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2216493] Dominicans. They must be the unluckiest people on earth. Every day they have a new sad story
*I will also add that some guys like the body types that are more often found in Asia. The boardmembers: No tits and no ass, shaped like a 2X8 wooden board. That is hard to come by in Latin America and the Caribbean.[/QUOTE]Hi Mr. E and fellow mongers,
I'll chime in here because I've been to DR 10 times in the last five years compared to 15 times in PI the last ten years. To me, the girls from both countries have a million excuses for why they have no money and can't pay their bills. I just cut off my main squeeze from PI / Cebu because she refused to get and keep a job after four years of hearing her whining. She's gorgeous, great body 22 years old, loves to 69 but enough is enough. As for body types, yes, agree with Mr. E here, too. I don't know how you guys in PI get excited by the flat chicks. To me, it is a turn off. I like a woman shaped like a woman and if she's a little heavier so be it. To each his own. I'll take chubby with nice tits over flat every night of the week and twice on Sundays. Of course slim and stacked is ideal for me but hard to find unless bolt-ons which is OK with me, too. I swear the average cup size of chicks in the DR is D. All of my main squeezes there are double or triple D not fat good looking and fuck and suck like their lives depended on it. And I occasionally get hit up for pesos which I evaluate on a case-by-case basis. Women from both countries are passionate about sex unless hardened pros or inexperienced ones. Cheers, mates.
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Real girlfriend
May I aks Tagalog126 if his girlfriends return to him after a few times?
Dating 6 pinay same time. Who is blaming who?
I am 61 year old with good figure.
And have a now 23 year slim pinay with two kids from a former pinoy.
I let her fly in from Ozamis city amd let her fly back.
I have her facebook in which she chats.
I am so stupid to transfer money each months for the kids.
But that's in the range of what others who have a LT girl for one night!
I even don't aggree they ly!
They just live in a dream.
And as long as you fit in that dream you are the boss.
The cultural vallues and the feelings they have are maybe out of your imagination range.
Most have a kind of self sacrificing attitude to the mama.
The childish pasalubong asking (presents like chocolad) shows complete lack of respect or self respect. Normal people don't ask for presents.
They don't ly. We all just don't understand them, and the truth we will never know. Cause nobody (no local) gives good answers to a stranger.
What I don't understand is that so manny foreighners don't like the PI. They just want a girl. Marry a girl.
Wel if you don't like the country, if you are not interested in their culture, if you don't try to talk their language. Who are you judging?
PI is a complete other world.
Try to understand the PI than maybe you can understand a Pinay!
O yes. Sex means nothing to them.
And they don't think about tomorrow and let you fuck them BB.
The reason is that they hope you make a kid. And pay for it.
Kids are seen just as future incom. Future bargirls haha.
So good luck ya all.
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[QUOTE=DCups;2216667] I don't know how you guys in PI get excited by the flat chicks. To me, it is a turn off. I like a woman shaped like a woman and if she's a little heavier so be it. To each his own. I'll take chubby with nice tits over flat every night of the week and twice on Sundays. [/QUOTE]
DC, have you ever been around dairy farms? The value of dairy cows on the market depends on a combination of milk production (in pounds), butterfat content (% of cream in the milk), age, and family history for offspring. The milk production component is probably most important, and it's roughly correlated with udder size. It's something you can size up just by looking at the cow's tits. But what's the point where human females are concerned? Are you looking for milk production? The only other consideration I can think of is bumper pads for the old rock and roll, and you can deal with that with your own elbows.
Why do guys going to the PI get excited by flat chicks? Simple. It's great to put a tit in your mouth, and the women like it because there are many nerve endings in the breast. In small breasts the nerve endings are concentrated in a smaller area than with large breasts. More than a mouthful is a waste, so the best size is one that fits in the mouth and still leaves room to run your tongue around the nipple.
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[QUOTE=BaddHabbit;2216583]Assuming that you are buying your flights reasonably in advance (for me that advance means about 1 week. So I don't count), then flights from Aus can be had for around $350-400 USD. Of course, it is also the closest destination of this type (at 7-9 hours) for us.[/QUOTE]I went back to Canada last month to see family.
Booked on Expedia and flew combination of Air Canada and China Air through Taiwan and Vancouver both ways.
My cost was 2,600 CDN or almost exactly $US 2,000.
I flew here last year and one way going through the US and Japan was $CDN1,200 or just under the grand $US for one way. (Delta and PAL).
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Angry, much?
[QUOTE=Sxxxx;2216587]Yeh? State the airline / s offering that price, or are they hot air balloons your are talking about?
Please desist from posting misinformation. If credible, quote airlines.[/QUOTE]Goodness, why all the angst?! Did I do something to hurt you??
5 seconds searching with HitList gives me the attached option, $448 AUD return Sydney to Cebu, Mid-October for 12 days. That is only $340 USD! So even better than I said, and required literally NO effort to check. Cebu Pacific via Manila.
BH.
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[QUOTE=RedKilt;2216610]It's cheaper than that BH.
I have been on the Manila to Sydney run twice this year on Cebu Pacific. Cost was 3999 php each way (or 155 USD round trip). I pay extra 2 x 500 php for an exit row. Easy trip. Planes are good. I don't eat food on board which I feel is unnecessary anyway (apart from it being crap). Who wants to eat dinner at 12 midnight? I practice my intermittent fasting, with dinner pre-departure and then brunch around midday next day.
You pay more than twice as much on PAL for exactly the same duration trip.[/QUOTE]Damn! I got to do some more advanced planning!
And I'm with you on the food. No loss. Don't even eat the breakfast meals on Qantas and Emirates, though I do usually eat the dinners.
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[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2216809]I went back to Canada last month to see family.
Booked on Expedia and flew combination of Air Canada and China Air through Taiwan and Vancouver both ways.
My cost was 2,600 CDN or almost exactly $US 2,000.
I flew here last year and one way going through the US and Japan was $CDN1,200 or just under the grand $US for one way. (Delta and PAL).[/QUOTE]Yep, agree your experience to / from Can / USA will be quite different. And in reverse for places like DR (haven't been yet, need to plan something soonish.
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[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2216809]I flew here last year and one way going through the US and Japan was $CDN1,200 or just under the grand $US for one way. (Delta and PAL).[/QUOTE]If you fly from the states, time of year is all important. Highest prices are in the run-up to Christmas and in the summer from late May to end of August. These are the times when most Fil-Ams are traveling to see family. Cheapest prices are usually September and October, then prices climb as Thanksgiving approaches.
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[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2216930]If you fly from the states, time of year is all important. SNIP Cheapest prices are usually September and October, then prices climb as Thanksgiving approaches.[/QUOTE]Low times of year, as stated, and also including February, prices from LAX or SFO can be had for as little as the low-$600's, and during peak seasons (Christmas, Easter) you could be looking at 3 x that.
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[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2216791]DC, have you ever been around dairy farms? The value of dairy cows on the market depends on a combination of milk production (in pounds), butterfat content (% of cream in the milk), age, and family history for offspring. The milk production component is probably most important, and it's roughly correlated with udder size. It's something you can size up just by looking at the cow's tits. But what's the point where human females are concerned? Are you looking for milk production? The only other consideration I can think of is bumper pads for the old rock and roll, and you can deal with that with your own elbows.
Why do guys going to the PI get excited by flat chicks? Simple. It's great to put a tit in your mouth, and the women like it because there are many nerve endings in the breast. In small breasts the nerve endings are concentrated in a smaller area than with large breasts. More than a mouthful is a waste, so the best size is one that fits in the mouth and still leaves room to run your tongue around the nipple.[/QUOTE]Like I said, to each his own, Smith, and BTW I'm from Wisconsin originally and know all about cows. Also happen to be an old rocker who enjoys the occasional flash and feel of the magnificently endowed.
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[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2216930]If you fly from the states, time of year is all important. Highest prices are in the run-up to Christmas and in the summer from late May to end of August. These are the times when most Fil-Ams are traveling to see family. Cheapest prices are usually September and October, then prices climb as Thanksgiving approaches.[/QUOTE]My $US2 k return was in July / Aug 2018 and my under $US 1 k one way was early September 2017.
In November 2015 I flew PAL / WestJet return Manila to Canada for $CDN 2,500 or again close to the $US 2 k.
I have not priced return tickets from Canada to Philippines, just one ways to Canada and return trips starting in Manila. I do know that from Dubai to Canada, via Europe, the cost to fly return starting in Dubai was cheaper by about 10 to 20% than a return starting in Canada. We would book our mob in flights one way then our vacation trips home return from Dubai, was cheaper and more flexible.
Flying into Philippines just before Christmas and returning after New Year is the busiest travel time. We would book Dubai Manila trips for our OFW's as early as September to get good selection on routings and prices.
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[QUOTE=BaddHabbit;2216874]....And in reverse for places like DR (haven't been yet, need to plan something soonish.[/QUOTE]Lots of good places in the DR but as we all know the amount of experience you have in any particular place will impact greatly your enjoyment. There was some comments on DR girls doing runners after collecting LT and giving ST but then again these are happening in all places. The techniques to avoid that all have a lot in common with just some regional differences.
My personal preference is to find part timers or girls with regular jobs and just need something to tide them over to the end of the month. This is how I hunt here and in the DR, or at home for that matter. You get a better GFE and performance from someone who is not a hardened pro.
I can appreciate that some like the hardened pro's, often more skilled and more DTF with less need for any game or bullshit.
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[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2217211]There was some comments on DR girls doing runners after collecting LT and giving ST but then again these are happening in all places. I can appreciate that some like the hardened pro's, often more skilled and more DTF with less need for any game or bullshit.[/QUOTE]I got so turned off by Sosua pros that I have not returned in 10 years. They are just thugs with tits, and how they treat Haitians that give real GFE is totally fucked up. Your plan is logical but I think next time I will just go back to Blackbeard's.
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[QUOTE=NakedGunz;2217228]I got so turned off by Sosua pros that I have not returned in 10 years. They are just thugs with tits, and how they treat Haitians that give real GFE is totally fucked up. Your plan is logical but I think next time I will just go back to Blackbeard's.[/QUOTE]I was working in Haiti for a year and made several visa renewal trips to the DR, usually to Sosua but did go to Blackbirds.
Eventually I linked up with a one man agency who provided me with whatever I asked for, usually two girls for full 3 somes for the weekend. Always got good service. Once when a girl was a bit of a problem, all it tool was one tect and she was removed and an alternative provided to me at no cost adjustment. He actually waited until the replacement was almost there before removing the problem girl so I had 3 different girls over the weekend at the price of two.
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Western Canada to Manila
Right now there some very good return fares from western Canada to the Philippines for September and October. In the range of $850 CDN. I was tempted but instead booked a return flight to Ho Chi Minh City in late September to late October at about the same price. I may decide to go to the Philippines from Vietnam for a short visit, but frankly the airport and traffic in Manila are making me reluctant to go back. I will make that decision when I land in Vietnam. However a virgin school teacher waiting there is really tugging me LOL.
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[QUOTE=DCups;2216667]Hi Mr. E and fellow mongers,
I'll chime in here because I've been to DR 10 times in the last five years compared to 15 times in PI the last ten years. To me, the girls from both countries have a million excuses for why they have no money and can't pay their bills. I just cut off my main squeeze from PI / Cebu because she refused to get and keep a job after four years of hearing her whining. She's gorgeous, great body 22 years old, loves to 69 but enough is enough. As for body types, yes, agree with Mr. E here, too. I don't know how you guys in PI get excited by the flat chicks. To me, it is a turn off. I like a woman shaped like a woman and if she's a little heavier so be it. To each his own. I'll take chubby with nice tits over flat every night of the week and twice on Sundays. Of course slim and stacked is ideal for me but hard to find unless bolt-ons which is OK with me, too. I swear the average cup size of chicks in the DR is D. All of my main squeezes there are double or triple D not fat good looking and fuck and suck like their lives depended on it. And I occasionally get hit up for pesos which I evaluate on a case-by-case basis. Women from both countries are passionate about sex unless hardened pros or inexperienced ones. Cheers, mates.[/QUOTE]Me too is a tit man. I have been known to get turned off by saggy boobs and so called tennis courts. I want some meat on the bones. I contacted a beautiful girl in Cebu and asked her to meet me for breakfast at waterfront where I was staying. She could not come at night because was staying with parents who were very strict she said. Nice pretty face but thin as a rail. She was surprised when I rejected her.
I have barfined girls in AC before who had droopy boobs who I sent away. Nowadays all the girls are covered up so not easy to see. Before they were wearing sheer dress and I liked perky pointy tits. Great to fuck and play with well endowed breasts.
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[QUOTE=DCups;2217056]Like I said, to each his own, [/QUOTE]I would suggest that for each of us "our own" is in our heads rather than their boobs. Sensations transmitted from a tit in the mouth or hands or chest rubbing over large breasts are really only like feelers into the environment. The brain is the center of erotic stimulation, and that's why the old advice to young quick ejaculaters to "just think about baseball" actually works. I remember getting and using that advice with success when I was in my early 20's.
There's a great line in the movie, **The Sessions**, which is the true story of a sexual surrogate introducing a paraplegic man to sex. He has great trouble with any stimulation around the groin and, while she is wheeling him on his gurney into the surrogate's clinic, he confesses to his young Chinese-American health aide that he has an issue with premature ejaculation. Never batting an eyelash or a smile, she just says to him, "I've heard it might help to think about baseball. " Great advice for somebody who never played baseball. I had always assumed that only men really get the idea, but I may have been wrong. Perhaps it matters whether the script writer was male or female.
The movie is worth seeing, once, unless you want to check back for the great frontal nude shots of Helen Hunt, a gorgeous woman probably in her late 40s at the time.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1866249/
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A sight to behold
I was in MegaMall yesterday and some local celebrity was apparently going to show up. I don't know who he was and don't really care, but the sight of a couple thousand pina's late teens to early 20's jumping up and down in excitement and mini skirts was something not to be missed. LOL.
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Culling the herd.
My roster of regulars has gotten up to 6 girls, they each want to come over a couple times a week, or more and I simply don't have the funds (even at 2 k a sleepover), the time or the desire to keep them all going.
Going to drop a couple pretty soon, one nice innocent girl with great knockers, doesn't like giving a BJ and lives a 1000 p Grab round trip away, good bye. She is nice and tight so I'll miss her but she has been given several opportunities to at least pretend that she likes sucking dick.
Another long term regular is starting to make noises like she and I are going to get married. Last visit she bought me some cleaning supplies and has said that she wants to move in and take care of me, good bye.
The third good bye is to one who is making noises about having a baby with me. I had the Sunkist operation (Juicy but seedless) almost 30 years ago so am not a good candidate for a reversal even if I did want another kid. She came up with an alternative that involves them sticking a needle into my balls to harvest the sperm and then she would be artificially inseminated. About 75 k a try each month until she gets pregnant. Good bye.
That will leave me with a call centre girl, lives and works close and likes to come over at 6 AM, a student with some of the best oral skills I've seen and a shop girl who likes to bring a friend once in a while.
All were Tinder or Pinalove finds.
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[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2217809]I would suggest that for each of us "our own" is in our heads rather than their boobs./[/QUOTE]Of course attraction is in our heads, Soapy. Isn't everything? Geez. You will never be able to convince me or other boob addicts that flat chicks have an attractive body.
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[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2218379]All were Tinder or Pinalove finds.[/QUOTE]This is for all the guys who've used Tinder and Pinalove, did the girls you've hooked up with have the 'serious boyfriend' only on their profiles? How quickly was money brought up?
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[QUOTE=DCups;2218591]Of course attraction is in our heads, Soapy. Isn't everything? Geez. You will never be able to convince me or other boob addicts that flat chicks have an attractive body.[/QUOTE]Here is to you the Cup.
Still in talking stage, maybe fake profile. She insists she is real. Unusual for a philippina. If true hoping will not suffocate and die LOL.
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[QUOTE=Breadman;2218624]This is for all the guys who've used Tinder and Pinalove, did the girls you've hooked up with have the 'serious boyfriend' only on their profiles? How quickly was money brought up?[/QUOTE]Just about all have serious boyfriend in their profile. They do this so if anyone they know sees their profile they can deny that they are in it for the money. They don't admit to hookups until they are sure you are a foreigner and will not tell their family or post pictures on their FB account of them naked.
Most of my girls don't look at it as money for services but rather as their BF helping them out. I call it taxi money, buy something nice for the kid money, here this will help you out money etc. If they like what I give them, then they willingly come back, if not then they have some excuse not to come back and I only ask back twice. (modified Brad Pitt rule in effect). Some girls will reject the money an just ask that I book a grab on my account for them.
Very few explicitly ask for a set amount early in the game. Just about all of them will eventually ask for money, 10 k or more, because of some emergency or dire need. At that time I say sorry I don't have that much cash on me right now, we can talk about it next time. There usually will not be a next time unless she is very good and we agree that there will not be pocket money for a while. Sometimes I lose but often I will get a girl who usually gets 2 k a visit to come back for 6 or 7 visits after giving 10 k before she is expecting more again. Sometimes she never comes back. Overall I will just about break even on taking this risk.
There are exceptions of course. The actual pro's and semi pro's will ask right up front, usually something like 5 or 6 k but when I say I am not a tourist, I live here and know the going rate, it drops to 3 k or less right away.
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[QUOTE=Sammon;2218636]Here is to you the Cup.
Still in talking stage, maybe fake profile. She insists she is real. Unusual for a philippina. If true hoping will not suffocate and die LOL.[/QUOTE]Thanks for crashing the DIA servers with all the horny ISGers' now searching for her. . . . 😁.
Good luck. She's a serious cutie and that's from a NON tit guy.
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[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2218639]Just about all have serious boyfriend in their profile. They do this so if anyone they know sees their profile they can deny that they are in it for the money. They don't admit to hookups until they are sure you are a foreigner and will not tell their family or post pictures on their FB account of them naked.
Most of my girls don't look at it as money for services but rather as their BF helping them out.[/QUOTE]I'd agree with KG with some minor differences due to me being a regular tourist rather than a resident. For various reasons I target a more commercial arrangement.
The majority do have "serious relationship only" listed but this fascade soon drops when I make it clear what I'm after and they know I'm just visiting. By "soon", I mean after 3 or 4 DMs.
Financing discussions are also completed pretty quickly so everyone knows where they stand. I pay a little more than KG at 3 k for all night but am not offering any chance of a relationship, visa etc. I do get the odd taxi fare only or freebie but it's a rarety and not something I encourage.
Interestingly, I do get the opposite quite frequently where the girls say they do not want a LTR because they have a boyfriend and are just looking for some fun while he is away.
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Province pull chances.
Many girls on DIA put a large city on their profile but when asked they say they are actually out in some province. Usually a 2-4 hour drive or bus ride to get to me. And, of course, they have no money for even bus and no one will lend them money so they ask me for 1-2000 php to get a ride, which they ask be sent to them by Western Union. Okay, maybe a scam, so I never sent money but felt like I passed up some really tasty treats by not trusting them. My question is what percentage of province girls who get sent travel funds actually show up on your doorstep? Of course they all say "I am honest and not a liar so will come to you" Then the bus fare back home to province is also my responsibility as well as reward for job well done. So it can get very expensive. Some I might have done anyway because they look so good. What percentage do show up if sent travel funds and are they reliable companions in from province? Anybody done this?
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[QUOTE=ForkTruck;2218715]Many girls on DIA put a large city on their profile but when asked they say they are actually out in some province. Usually a 2-4 hour drive or bus ride to get to me. And, of course, they have no money for even bus and no one will lend them money so they ask me for 1-2000 php to get a ride, which they ask be sent to them by Western Union. Okay, maybe a scam, so I never sent money but felt like I passed up some really tasty treats by not trusting them. My question is what percentage of province girls who get sent travel funds actually show up on your doorstep? Of course they all say "I am honest and not a liar so will come to you" Then the bus fare back home to province is also my responsibility as well as reward for job well done. So it can get very expensive. Some I might have done anyway because they look so good. What percentage do show up if sent travel funds and are they reliable companions in from province? Anybody done this?[/QUOTE]After you send the 2,000 pesos via Western Union and nursing a hard prick infused with 100 milligrams of Kamagra, the next message says, "Sorry, my papa carabao got very sick and we use your money to buy medicine to save his life. Now, no more to come to you. Send another 2 K only for fare, and I come because I am honest and not a liar".
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[QUOTE=ForkTruck;2218715]Many girls on DIA put a large city on their profile but when asked they say they are actually out in some province. Usually a 2-4 hour drive or bus ride to get to me. And, of course, they have no money for even bus and no one will lend them money so they ask me for 1-2000 php to get a ride, which they ask be sent to them by Western Union. Okay, maybe a scam, so I never sent money but felt like I passed up some really tasty treats by not trusting them. My question is what percentage of province girls who get sent travel funds actually show up on your doorstep? Of course they all say "I am honest and not a liar so will come to you" Then the bus fare back home to province is also my responsibility as well as reward for job well done. So it can get very expensive. Some I might have done anyway because they look so good. What percentage do show up if sent travel funds and are they reliable companions in from province? Anybody done this?[/QUOTE]It's 50-50 at best, ForkTruck. Many girls are scammers but there are exceptions. If someone invents an online lie detector they will be rich.
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[QUOTE=Sammon;2218636]Here is to you the Cup.
Still in talking stage, maybe fake profile. She insists she is real. Unusual for a philippina. If true hoping will not suffocate and die LOL.[/QUOTE]Wow, Sammy, good one. Let us know or PM me if those are as real and spectacular as they seem!
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[QUOTE=ForkTruck;2218715]Many girls on DIA put a large city on their profile but when asked they say they are actually out in some province. Usually a 2-4 hour drive or bus ride to get to me. And, of course, they have no money for even bus and no one will lend them money so they ask me for 1-2000 php to get a ride, which they ask be sent to them by Western Union. Okay, maybe a scam, so I never sent money but felt like I passed up some really tasty treats by not trusting them. My question is what percentage of province girls who get sent travel funds actually show up on your doorstep? Of course they all say "I am honest and not a liar so will come to you" Then the bus fare back home to province is also my responsibility as well as reward for job well done. So it can get very expensive. Some I might have done anyway because they look so good. What percentage do show up if sent travel funds and are they reliable companions in from province? Anybody done this?[/QUOTE]I have had 100%. Just do it and report back.
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[QUOTE=ForkTruck;2218715]Some I might have done anyway because they look so good. What percentage do show up if sent travel funds and are they reliable companions in from province? Anybody done this?[/QUOTE]I do not get it. Why worry about chicks that are not where you are or do not plan to be? Nobody goes to Rio and starts worrying about chicks in Sao Paulo. Not like there is a scarcity of chicks in Manila. Just work out of that basket. Then you send all that money and wait all that time and the chick gets there and is not what you imagined and you are stuck with her for a few days. Wonk Wonk.
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[QUOTE=ForkTruck;2218715]Many girls on DIA put a large city on their profile but when asked they say they are actually out in some province. Usually a 2-4 hour drive or bus ride to get to me. And, of course, they have no money for even bus and no one will lend them money so they ask me for 1-2000 php to get a ride, which they ask be sent to them by Western Union. Okay, maybe a scam, [/QUOTE]If they are asking 1000 or even 2000 PhP for the bus then they must be living far far away. To give you an idea: from Manila (Makati) to Angeles takes about 3 hours, depending on traffic, but a ticket is only 150 PhP.
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[QUOTE=ForkTruck;2218715]Many girls on DIA put a large city on their profile but when asked they say they are actually out in some province. Usually a 2-4 hour drive or bus ride to get to me. And, of course, they have no money for even bus and no one will lend them money so they ask me for 1-2000 php to get a ride, which they ask be sent to them by Western Union. .......[/QUOTE]They lied about where they are.
The lied about what the bus fare is, 1000 to 2000 will take you a long way by bus in this country, not just a 2 to 4 hour trip.
Why trust them with the fare?
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To be fair, sometimes a Jeepney or bike or trike is needed if they are way outside. And it is a trip most visitors would not want to take.
[QUOTE=Mogwai;2219273]If they are asking 1000 or even 2000 PhP for the bus then they must be living far far away. To give you an idea: from Manila (Makati) to Angeles takes about 3 hours, depending on traffic, but a ticket is only 150 PhP.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2219283]They lied about where they are.
The lied about what the bus fare is, 1000 to 2000 will take you a long way by bus in this country, not just a 2 to 4 hour trip.
Why trust them with the fare?[/QUOTE]Concur. In addition to that, I'm roughly aware of bus / tryke fares (similar everywhere). I tell them that for a first meeting that they must come up with fare to see me, and that I will reimburse (use the word 'give') a reasonable amount for fare (+ foods if its more than about 3 hours) when I meet them, then the same amount upon her leaving. As an example, non-aircon bus from Pampanga is about a 2. 5 hour bus ride and p200 (or less), as per the accounts here of gents taking a bus. Throw in a tryke and a jeep to the bus, you are talking p250. Girls will often mention much larger amounts, asking you for taxi fare (even if you send the taxi amount, she will tryke / bus and pocket the difference).
Recently a girl made a 7-hour bus ride to see me (she's a regular, DON'T do this with a first-time girl, she's not worth it in any circumstance) for a few days. Bus fare each way is 400, and throw in 250 for foods (the bus stops at a resto along the way; a plate of adobo / rice + juice is under p200; as is a McDo value meal). Add in 50 for tryke / jeep to get to the bus from her house, and you have 700 as the trip money. I have made this same trip to a nearby province to see her (and her friends, pictured in the PG), and she's made the trip to see me many times, so I know the amounts, and she's fine with that. However, she would probably ask a newb for 2000 for fare each way.
Also avoid girls who insists on taking a taxi or aircon bus (luxuries). Last month in Cebu, one of my long-time girls (normally takes 2 jeeps to get to me, 20 minutes in clear traffic and 50 minutes in heavy traffic) suddenly asked in txt on her way to me for taxi fare. "When I'm there in taxi you can pay the driver my fare". You MUST be kidding sweetie! She repeated the request, more insistent. No, thanks sweetie, stay home. An hour later the door guard called the room: "Sir, miss Jennylyn is here". Ya, send her up. In the morning she was fine for the usual amount, which included p30 for round-trip jeeps (p7+7 +7+7). She was so offended by the taxi refusal that she returned twice more in a week, and asked for even more nights.
Another thought: Stop chatting girls who are more than an hour outside Manila. What is the need? So many willing girls actually IN the city.
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Very sad for the common monger!
[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2219809]Thanks Natty. You are right. The days when young hot girls would suck shriveled cocks all night for 1000 pesos are long gone. But if you have the dough and are willing to spend, you can get a good experience. Plenty of hot chicks around.[/QUOTE]That is just depressing for 99% of mongers. LOL! The sole appeal of Angeles City was that pensioners and working class sex tourists could get hot girls to suck their old shriveled cocks all night long for 1,000 pesos. That Angeles City is dead. What remains is something else that is less GFE at higher price.
That is why mongers cry about the demise of "the old Angeles City" because gone are the days of giving hot girls multiple cream pies for a song. The rich man does not have to go to AC to get his old shriveled cock sucked all night by hot models. The wealthy with unlimited funds do not need places like AC but the pensioner and the working poor do.
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[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2219895]That is just depressing for 99% of mongers. LOL! The sole appeal of Angeles City was that pensioners and working class sex tourists could get hot girls to suck their old shriveled cocks all night long for 1,000 pesos. That Angeles City is dead. What remains is something else that is less GFE at higher price.
That is why mongers cry about the demise of "the old Angeles City" because gone are the days of giving hot girls multiple cream pies for a song. The rich man does not have to go to AC to get his old shriveled cock sucked all night by hot models. The wealthy with unlimited funds do not need places like AC but the pensioner and the working poor do.[/QUOTE]This is why I am considering taking sand to the beach on my next visit to AC. Why go to AC? I like the festival atmosphere, do not feel foreigner, can dance the night away with my grand daughters without blinking an eye, can live my younger days etc. Only pussy costs more but not the hotel, food, entertainment. I love the legitimate massage parlors run by Koreans who do a nice job cheap and clean.
I am talking with some normal girls whom I need to convince to come and stay with me. This way I do not need to deal with stuck ups, service dissatisfaction, runners, scams etc. Love to sit nursing my drink in a bar watching all the drama happening around me without the pressure of lady drinks, pressure to select a girl for barfine if I already have a good looking girl beside me. I have done this couple of times before. Did the girls like it? Hard to say. It is their first time seeing a set up like this. Sure they have heard about it but never experienced. They never believed a girl can be dancing on stage for 10 hours and go with a different person every night.
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[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2219895]That is just depressing for 99% of mongers. LOL! The sole appeal of Angeles City was that pensioners and working class sex tourists could get hot girls to suck their old shriveled cocks all night long for 1,000 pesos. That Angeles City is dead. What remains is something else that is less GFE at higher price.
That is why mongers cry about the demise of "the old Angeles City" because gone are the days of giving hot girls multiple cream pies for a song. The rich man does not have to go to AC to get his old shriveled cock sucked all night by hot models. The wealthy with unlimited funds do not need places like AC but the pensioner and the working poor do.[/QUOTE]No tears here, CM. I must be in the 1%. Anyway, in the 80's if you were young, buff and military like me you didn't even have to pay for it, well maybe $10, and it was mmmmmmmmmmm good then as it is now.
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Beating 333 Club membership prices.
[QUOTE=Sammon;2220136]This is why I am considering taking sand to the beach on my next visit to AC. Why go to AC? I like the festival atmosphere, do not feel foreigner, can dance the night away with my grand daughters without blinking an eye, can live my younger days etc. Only pussy costs more but not the hotel, food, entertainment. I love the legitimate massage parlors run by Koreans who do a nice job cheap and clean.
I am talking with some normal girls whom I need to convince to come and stay with me. This way I do not need to deal with stuck ups, service dissatisfaction, runners, scams etc. Love to sit nursing my drink in a bar watching all the drama happening around me without the pressure of lady drinks, pressure to select a girl for barfine if I already have a good looking girl beside me. I have done this couple of times before. Did the girls like it? Hard to say. It is their first time seeing a set up like this. Sure they have heard about it but never experienced. They never believed a girl can be dancing on stage for 10 hours and go with a different person every night.[/QUOTE]BYOB sounds like a good strategy. Many girls from Manila and other cities are eager to accompany fellas to Angeles City to see if the rumors of it being the most sinful city in the Philippines are true. You certainly will not be the first to go that route.
When you take a traveling companion along with you to see all the sordid activities in progress in AC, she puts her pussy to work twice as hard once she sees at the competition doing their best to get a piece of your wallet. LOL!
Hotel, food, and entertainment prices remain the same but pussy prices rise because the 333 Club only collects bragging points for overpaying on pussy, while bargaining hard on the other stuff. LOL! The 333 guys compete with each other to pay more for the same pussy and the market reflects this pricing structure.
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Travel to meet first time
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2219117]I do not get it. Why worry about chicks that are not where you are or do not plan to be? Nobody goes to Rio and starts worrying about chicks in Sao Paulo. Not like there is a scarcity of chicks in Manila. Just work out of that basket. Then you send all that money and wait all that time and the chick gets there and is not what you imagined and you are stuck with her for a few days. Wonk Wonk.[/QUOTE]That is the best approach if you are stationed in Rio or Sao Paulo. Or Manila, AC or Cebu. But here in the province (bundok), sometimes a promising internet cutie is a bus plus ferry ride away. In that case, my experience suggests never going to meet her myself. If you want to see the place, okay--have a lineup of 3 or 4 to meet. A girl might get her "kilig" (her jollies) just by having a foreigner come to visit. I have never found a keeper by going to meet. Girls coming to my place to meet me, the success rate is about 50%. And some of them are very, very good. There are advantages to having someone from another island. She is not worried about being seen with by whoever, and she has no friends or relatives to tag along or distract her. If she has family or friends already on your island, absolutely do not send her travel money. If her family wants her to visit, they will provide.
Afterthought: with some ferry companies, as with airlines, you can pay for the ticket at your end, with instructions to refund only to you.
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Fake or Real?
[QUOTE=Sammon;2218636]Here is to you the Cup.
Still in talking stage, maybe fake profile. She insists she is real. Unusual for a philippina. If true hoping will not suffocate and die LOL.[/QUOTE]Of course you must validate with Skype or other visual conversation.
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Receiving 'not as described' deliveries.
[QUOTE=Cbea20;2220293]That is the best approach if you are stationed in Rio or Sao Paulo. Or Manila, AC or Cebu. But here in the province (bundok), sometimes a promising internet cutie is a bus plus ferry ride away. In that case, my experience suggests never going to meet her myself. If you want to see the place, okay--have a lineup of 3 or 4 to meet. A girl might get her "kilig" (her jollies) just by having a foreigner come to visit. I have never found a keeper by going to meet. Girls coming to my place to meet me, the success rate is about 50%. And some of them are very, very good. There are advantages to having someone from another island. She is not worried about being seen with by whoever, and she has no friends or relatives to tag along or distract her. If she has family or friends already on your island, absolutely do not send her travel money. If her family wants her to visit, they will provide.
Afterthought: with some ferry companies, as with airlines, you can pay for the ticket at your end, with instructions to refund only to you.[/QUOTE]What happens when she takes a combined 7-hour bus and ferry ride to come meet you and she is a real woofer? Do you just break out two paper bags and fuck her anyway? It would be a real dick move to hand her return fare and reimbursement at the door. You would at least have to put her up for the night, as it would be too late to send her back after such an exhausting journey. In that case, you may as well just fuck her with the lights off. LOL! You are going to pay anyway, and you cannot use the room to screw other girls for the night.
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[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2218379]That will leave me with a call centre girl, lives and works close and likes to come over at 6 AM, a student with some of the best oral skills I've seen and a shop girl who likes to bring a friend once in a while.
All were Tinder or Pinalove finds.[/QUOTE]Thanks for sharing your roster considerations. It's amazing how the system works and over a short time I assume those empty slots will be filled again, there will be another cull and the overall quality of your herd will further improve.
I also have 2-3 regulars whom I am happy with. Just don't want hassles sometimes. Then I always need to have some crazy diversity for no reason.
BD.
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[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2219895]The rich man does not have to go to AC to get his old shriveled cock sucked all night by hot models. The wealthy with unlimited funds do not need places like AC but the pensioner and the working poor do.[/QUOTE]Are you certain rich men do not go to AC to get laid? At the time I was in AC (around mid-August), ABC Hotel was full and LGH had just a few smoking rooms left. Now surely, these rooms are not being occupied by pensioners, are they?
Also, we often talk about the 333 brigade throwing money around. FYI I noticed there were quite a few westerners too who participated in the mindless act of "making it rain" at clubs like Atlantis, Ra and even Lancelot. Hell, there were some 60+ westerners doing the rain thing at a Perimeter bar like Det5. Imagine.
BTW the new Lancelot absolutely sucks. The format, the decor, the girls, the manager. Depressing.
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[QUOTE=Goferring;2220612]Whose definition of "rich" are we using?
Mongers would look at how much another guy HAS: nice car, house, income, bank account etc.
Girls look for how much a guy is SPENDING and do not care about the above definition.
That's why there are so many guys in AC who are "rich" for two weeks and why they are so popular.[/QUOTE]LMAO.
As a monger I only look at girls. Their face, their tits, their skin tone, and where possible, their pussy.
As a rule, the guy who is in a mongering destination for a short holiday will always spend more than the average Joe who resides there, even if he is hunting bargain BJs down blow row from toothless grannies. No brain surgery here.
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Rich Man, Poor Man.
I read back a few pages about rich and poor mongers in Angeles. Jackson, who owned this site, did visit Bangkok and stayed in Nana, evidence that rich mongers exist and they stay in monger hotels. I don't really get the uber rich, visiting Las Vegas and similar places and flushing $$ away. Americans explained to me why they prefer the glamour of Vegas to some cheap Indian reservation that also has the same basic amenities.
In Angeles and similar places, I want cheap women I can bonk without taking a serious financial hit. I could bonk hookers in Europe at the same rate but go broke at a much quicker rate.
In somewhere like Angeles, I also want to go around dressed down and for the woman to know I pay so she performs. I also do not want to be magnet for muggers and nor do I want to be somewhere where getting mugged is par for the course.
Angeles has the advantage of tonnes of pussy but its tourist reputation does put up the price. Smaller places have plenty of women but less to do besides jerking off into them. My ideal place would be moderately priced, plentiful women but not too mercenary regarding clock watching and Pampanga's other stunts. To get that place involves a lot more homework and down time.
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Cebu Forum
Does anyone know why Cebu has its own forum here and is not in the main Philippine one?
It does not appear to be getting much action and I think that it should be merged into the main Philippine one. It is kind of hard to find unless you know where to look for it as it doesn't show up in all the lists.
Anyone support that idea? Anyone oppose?
We can take the pulse of the members here and ask Jackson to make changes if that is the group consensus.
For anyone who does not know how to find it, go to the top of the page showing the path and click on Asia, scroll down to the detailed list and you will see The Philippines, The Philippines Cebu and finally the Philippines Dragon Slayer which has not had a post in a couple of years.
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[QUOTE=BrainDrain;2220347]Thanks for sharing your roster considerations. It's amazing how the system works and over a short time I assume those empty slots will be filled again, there will be another cull and the overall quality of your herd will further improve.
I also have 2-3 regulars whom I am happy with. Just don't want hassles sometimes. Then I always need to have some crazy diversity for no reason.
BD.[/QUOTE]My ideal rotation would start with a girl who has weekends off. She could come Friday night and stay until Monday AM. Then Monday night a girl with Tuesday off could come and stay until Wednesday AM. Wednesday night a girl with Thursday off could come and stay until Friday morning. Wash Rinse Repeat. (Periodic bring a friend sessions too LOL).
That would give me daytime Monday, Wednesday and Friday to do things I'd not want her to tag along for like go to the bank, interview possible replacements, take care if visa and immigration, visit Accaba Spa etc. You know the essential things in life.
Right now my rotation is a girl in Grad School. Very smart and I really enjoy her company even out of bed but she is crazy busy with school and a teaching load (around 250 students) She spent all of last Sunday marking papers and working on her school stuff. But she did it just wearing panties so it wasn't all that bad. (I would turn up the A / see just to make her nipples pop. LOL) She got help with buying a laptop and a projector for school and I bought a printer that I keep here that she uses extensively. Nice dinners but no regular allowance. She has a scholarship so no need to help with tuition, her teaching provides her with living money. She was one of my first meets and it took a several months to get her into the rotation but the wait was worth it.
I have a call center girl who comes over in the morning whenever I ask her to. No fixed schedule but she only lasts a couple of hours then needs to nap. She is on bat for tomorrow's morning wood. She was also an early meet. I was chatting with one on PL who turned out to be a ladyboy and he / she introduced us. We were on and off for a while but she is back as a regular in the stable.
I have an unemployed girl who will be here on about a 2 hour notice. She is new and just left. She doesn't look like a keeper since she messages and calls constantly.
The first two are exclusive to me not too sure about the unemployed one.
The last two get 2 k each a visit.
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[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2220959]Does anyone know why Cebu has its own forum here and is not in the main Philippine one?
It does not appear to be getting much action and I think that it should be merged into the main Philippine one. It is kind of hard to find unless you know where to look for it as it doesn't show up in all the lists.
Anyone support that idea? Anyone oppose?
We can take the pulse of the members here and ask Jackson to make changes if that is the group consensus.
For anyone who does not know how to find it, go to the top of the page showing the path and click on Asia, scroll down to the detailed list and you will see The Philippines, The Philippines Cebu and finally the Philippines Dragon Slayer which has not had a post in a couple of years.[/QUOTE]KG,
Cebu was moved as many wanted it as was getting lost in the main threads. I supported that as was getting all messed up with general Philippines. This made it messy. Yes limited comments but depends who goes there as I know many who do but rarely post.
If you did not know DS died some time back (roughly when the thread stopped. You see mention of his death in his forum) and thus his thread is inactive. Admin was asked to remove it but so far no action.
Hope that helps.
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Cebu Thread
[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2220959]Does anyone know why Cebu has its own forum here and is not in the main Philippine one?
Anyone support that idea? Anyone oppose?[/QUOTE]This topic was discussed when it was separated from the main Philippines Board, and has been discussed a few times since. A number have called for a change but no action.
The separation has clearly resulted in a fall off in visitors to the repositioned Cebu Forum. Only 52 topics posted in General Reports-Cebu in the last 20 months.
It was moved out of the Threads List and is now two or three clicks away in the Bloggs List, which contains a lot of dead material. It's near the bottom under "Link to Cebu Forum", easily missed.
For me I think it is an inconvenience and I seldom go there. But I suspect this maybe an advantage to those Cebu regulars who supported the separation as it would reduce the ISG visitors and competitors to their Cebu patch? Maybe!
I support a move to put Cebu back into the main forum thread.
[I guess your enquiry should have been posted under "General Info"?]
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[QUOTE=Socker;2220729]Guys here love him though. That says something too.[/QUOTE]I have to admit I like CM's posts because they are chocked with well written humor and solid research. As for his negativity, I'll leave that to the armchair shrinks on here. Keep on keeping on, Chocha Monger, and try to get laid once in a while to sweeten up that sour disposition!
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Chocha Monger.
[QUOTE=Socker;2221882]Too gratuitous for me. It's his whole life to post here. Editorials belong in the General Forum. There he can post about the "shriveled up old guys" and the other "stupid mongers" and to his heart's content. He goes after everybody but himself with his snide "glass half empty" editorials. I can do without them. He has never offered TRs and / or pics. It's always negative. But whatever floats the boats here is okay by me but I think he does harm to the scene..[/QUOTE]I disagree. CM can write and not everyone wants pictures and badly written accounts of having sex, which people have been doing for 7,000 years if you are a Biblical literalist and for millions of years otherwise. I don't bother taking their photos anymore and have not for a long time. I can't even be bothered remembering their names, though I do like asking them about their customers.
I am currently debating on whether to take a long tour of the Philippines and CM's information / take would be much m,ore relevant than that of others telling me they scored in Pampanga.
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Please allow me to CC the Cebu thread.
Lost in the general thread? Oh really? I don't remember any discussion. The Cebu forum suddenly went dark. Maybe I was busy when this discussion took place.
What exactly was the complaint? Seems like the thread is more lost now than it ever was before.
Solutions may be to request new threads. Those involved in the original "discussion" should give some feedback. Cebu is both a city and a large province and is part of the Visayans. Cebu is a hub for travel in the Visayans and even Mindanao. I'm guessing that is where some previous criticism has occurred.
Those with long experience in the Philippines (I'm a regular visitor, not a resident) already know how to get laid. For us there is often more value in other types of information like restaurants, hotels, anecdotes, inside info, the latest ferry information etc.
I have no power to create a new thread, but I can ask. How about:
Cebu Women.
Cebu area bars and nightlife.
Cebu Hotels and Restaurants.
Cebu as hub for travel.
Personally, I think the old Cebu thread was just fine. X Man.
[QUOTE=WickedRoger;2220988]KG,
Cebu was moved as many wanted it as was getting lost in the main threads. I supported that as was getting all messed up with general Philippines. This made it messy. Yes limited comments but depends who goes there as I know many who do but rarely post.
If you did not know DS died some time back (roughly when the thread stopped. You see mention of his death in his forum) and thus his thread is inactive. Admin was asked to remove it but so far no action.
Hope that helps.[/QUOTE]
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Rip.
I was going thru some of my old online notes. Found a notation about a gal on FB. I may have met her on one of the online sites I use like PL, DIA. I fb search the gal and she's gone (like most women in my life!
The note, my note to myself, says she has a friend named A and he has a lot of female fb "friends". I fb search this guy and sure enough he has a few cute gals on his friend list. He's in his thirties and appears middle class. The sad thing. There is also a short vid of his funeral. I can't understand the local language in the various posts, but it seems he met his demise at a convenience store and there may be a guy with a mole on his face who is responsible, or possibly has information.
I've had a few too many deaths and funerals recently, so it brought some bad feelings. I guess this is what we have to expect as we get older. Of course this guy is mostly anonymous to me, but still sad that a young and apparently popular guy met his end.
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[QUOTE=XMan;2227834]I was going thru some of my old online notes. Found a notation about a gal on FB. I may have met her on one of the online sites I use like PL, DIA. I fb search the gal and she's gone (like most women in my life![/QUOTE]One thing that Filipinos know about it death. From the day they are born their friends and cohort die at about 3% per annum. Unlicensed, untrained motorbike riding without helmets, crazy trikes, unregulated weapons, poor roads etc etc means that their lives have death as a regular visitor.
This contracts with the west where 'most' of our cohort survive until the 5th decade at which time they start to exit this place.
I also look in on former girls and am amazed at their better lives without me.
BD.
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[QUOTE=Sammon;2218636]Here is to you the Cup.
Still in talking stage, maybe fake profile. She insists she is real. Unusual for a philippina. If true hoping will not suffocate and die LOL.[/QUOTE]Sammy,
Did you connect with this one, yet? I need a full report! Thanks!
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[QUOTE=DCups;2228310]Sammy,
Did you connect with this one, yet? I need a full report! Thanks![/QUOTE]Sorry to say she or he vanished into thin air. Must be fake profile. Usually the ladyboys do that. I knew it is too good to be true but hoped it was genuine. She or he gave me phone number and we chatted many times.
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I suspect those girls you wonder about are the ones who rocked your world. She may have snagged a big fish and is now living the good life.
There are few of those that I think about and I realize she did well and she deserved it. And I'm "amazed at their better lives without me". A few are right there on FB with their happy family. Good for them!
But there are a few who were gold digging P4P, "I need help" bullshitters. And when she got "attached", I felt genuinely sorry for the guy. Those are the one's who stay in contact a bit, complain about how stingy he is, and then disappear -- probably bringing all kinds of misery on herself and the people around her.
I point at two extremes and there are all kinds of people in between.
[QUOTE=BrainDrain;2228090] SNIP
I also look in on former girls and am amazed at their better lives without me.
BD.[/QUOTE]
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DIA sign in
Well, I been rejected several times by DIA. It looks they track IP now to reject new accounts. You can't log in from a virtual machine or using vpn. I think I will change my internet provider, see if that shakes some freedom there. Any other ideas?
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[QUOTE=XMan;2222433]
I have no power to create a new thread[/QUOTE]Anyone can start a new thread. Top left corner of the page (just below " Forum: The Philippines") click on 'new thread' and make a new Cebu thread.
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[QUOTE=Member#1088;2231945]Well, I been rejected several times by DIA. It looks they track IP now to reject new accounts. You can't log in from a virtual machine or using vpn. I think I will change my internet provider, see if that shakes some freedom there. Any other ideas?[/QUOTE]That doesn't make sense. Just use Pinalove or Tagged instead.
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[QUOTE=Member#1088;2231945]Well, I been rejected several times by DIA. It looks they track IP now to reject new accounts. You can't log in from a virtual machine or using vpn. I think I will change my internet provider, see if that shakes some freedom there. Any other ideas?[/QUOTE]You can log in with a VPN just need to pick a country / VPN provider they are not blocking. Experiment.
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VPN log in.
I log in from the USA Using a VPN, works fine.
[QUOTE=NiceGuy99;2232084]You can log in with a VPN just need to pick a country / VPN provider they are not blocking. Experiment.[/QUOTE]
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VPN log in.
[QUOTE=ForkTruck;2232106]I log in from the USA Using a VPN, works fine.[/QUOTE]I forgot to add. My VPN provider is IPA.
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[QUOTE=ForkTruck;2232106]I log in from the USA Using a VPN, works fine.[/QUOTE]I gather the OP had his original account blocked and is trying to create a new one? Try using a friend's computer / tablet / phone (one that is in "the know", LOL) to create an account.
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[QUOTE=SaltyPete;2232374]I gather the OP had his original account blocked and is trying to create a new one? Try using a friend's computer / tablet / phone (one that is in "the know", LOL) to create an account.[/QUOTE]Good idea, I wonder if a service could be started for the people in need of a DIA acct LOL.
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[QUOTE=Member#1088;2232506]Good idea, I wonder if a service could be started for the people in need of a DIA acct LOL.[/QUOTE]Signed up to DIA a while ago, immediately upon paying for the premium access my account was blocked. No information on why, no reply as to why my account was blocked.
I disputed the charge on the account and MCard came back that I was blocked for "violations of the user agreement" with no explainati0 on as what spefcific policy I had violated. I again complained and was eventually refunded my money by MCard.
In Canada the card agreement is that you pay for services rendered, since I got no service they refunded my money. I suspect that the amount was less than their discussion limit and since it was the only disputed amount ever on that card, they simply refunded it as a customer service gesture and never got anything from DIA.
I simply stay away from it now, the opther sites give me enough good leads for my hunting style so I am happy with Tinder, PL and SA.
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Chat forum websites or apps.
Hi,
I am looking for the best site or app which all you fellow friends are using here.
I have plans on visiting soon and would like to figure everything before hand.
All helps will be highly appreciated and duly reciprocated.
Thanks.
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[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2232576]Signed up to DIA a while ago, immediately upon paying for the premium access my account was blocked. No information on why, no reply as to why my account was blocked.
I disputed the charge on the account and MCard came back that I was blocked for "violations of the user agreement" with no explainati0 on as what spefcific policy I had violated. I again complained and was eventually refunded my money by MCard.
In Canada the card agreement is that you pay for services rendered, since I got no service they refunded my money. I suspect that the amount was less than their discussion limit and since it was the only disputed amount ever on that card, they simply refunded it as a customer service gesture and never got anything from DIA.
I simply stay away from it now, the opther sites give me enough good leads for my hunting style so I am happy with Tinder, PL and SA.[/QUOTE]I didn't know DIA can have paid members. SA?
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[QUOTE=Member#1088;2232660]I didn't know DIA can have paid members. SA?[/QUOTE]Seeking Arrangement.
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[QUOTE=Member#1088;2232660]I didn't know DIA can have paid members. SA?[/QUOTE]My mistake, It was plenty odf fish POF that canceled membership as soon as I paid.
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[QUOTE=Member#1088;2232660]I didn't know DIA can have paid members. SA?[/QUOTE]My mistake it was pof that canceled when I upgraded.
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[QUOTE=Jhongage;2232636]Hi,
I am looking for the best site or app which all you fellow friends are using here.
Thanks.[/QUOTE]This question gets asked and answered pretty frequently:
[QUOTE=Goferring;2213643]What do you want?
Hard core hookers after hours? Tinder.
General, younger freelancers? PinaLove.
Employed or "good" girls to fuck on a second date? Cupid.
Obviously a gross simplification, but you get the idea.[/QUOTE]Like many, I've also been banned from DIA too may times to care any more and am too tight fisted to pay for SA so RTFF for more info on those.
Enjoy, G.
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[QUOTE=Goferring;2232867]This question gets asked and answered pretty frequently:
Like many, I've also been banned from DIA too may times to care any more and am too tight fisted to pay for SA so RTFF for more info on those.
Enjoy, G.[/QUOTE]Well Goferring he has 20 FRs mostly 'please can I have her digits' all but this one in the India board (the UAE is being polluted and over ran with similar posters) so thinking he will RTFF for the basics apps is like hoping Santa will come down the chimney in December and bring you what you really want or me winning the lotto LOL.
Jhongage when you have RTFF maybe you can suggest news apps we can use as a newbie perspective is always welcome.
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[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2232706]My mistake, It was plenty odf fish POF that canceled membership as soon as I paid.[/QUOTE]Plenty of fish is really plenty of whales. You aren't missing anything. KG.
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[QUOTE=DCups;2233076]Plenty of fish is really plenty of whales. You aren't missing anything. KG.[/QUOTE]I agreed, but far the best one is DIA, but is the one who is the most restricted to nice guys like us. .
I think is the one with the most and better chances to sync with the right one for you, no matter what you look for, type of romance. Length of term, age or level of expertise (none to hardcore). my only advice stay away from under 21, is not worth it, not just the legal side, but also the drama if it doesnt work out
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[QUOTE=Member#1088;2233200]I agreed, but far the best one is DIA, but is the one who is the most restricted to nice guys like us. .
I think is the one with the most and better chances to sync with the right one for you, no matter what you look for, type of romance. Length of term, age or level of expertise (none to hardcore). my only advice stay away from under 21, is not worth it, not just the legal side, but also the drama if it doesnt work out[/QUOTE]And it just happened again, this 19 yrs old start chatting me in PL, and after no more than 10 min, she is demanding I send her help for her situation.
She give me all this drama about an ex and all her problems.
OMG, she said she tlak to me so I should be happy and help her.
Feel sad for her, but I'm not a rich guy.
All the drama when the girl even at 19 is not mature enough yet.
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[QUOTE=Member#1088;2233204]And it just happened again, this 19 yrs old start chatting me in PL, and after no more than 10 min, she is demanding I send her help for her situation.
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All the drama when the girl even at 19 is not mature enough yet.[/QUOTE]Excessive drama is part of pina life. Just watch some of their TV shows, they are worse than our daytime soaps in terms of life=drama.
I have had women in their late 30's start off demanding money. Just remember that some of these girls earn 500 or less a day. They can spend a whole day chatting you up to get you to send 1000 p and they are better off at the end of that time than if they had an honest job.
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[QUOTE=Member#1088;2233204]And it just happened again, this 19 yrs old start chatting me in PL, and after no more than 10 min, she is demanding I send her help for her situation.
She give me all this drama about an ex and all her problems.
OMG, she said she tlak to me so I should be happy and help her.
Feel sad for her, but I'm not a rich guy.
All the drama when the girl even at 19 is not mature enough yet.[/QUOTE]As Kabul has pointed out, endless histrionic drama is part and parcel of life here, and touches many spheres in addition to entertainment. Just look at the way politics are covered, as an endless soap opera, much like coverage now in the United States. But there are other factors at play as well. First, opportunities for gainful employment, particularly for those without a college degree, and particularly for females, is extremely circumscribed. Second, family pressures to "produce" money for the school fees of younger children, for parents' medical problems, or just to put food on the table, are enormous in poorer communities, and familial obligations are felt much more strongly here than in the West.
GE.
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[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2233259]As Kabul has pointed out, endless histrionic drama is part and parcel of life here, and touches many spheres in addition to entertainment. Just look at the way politics are covered, as an endless soap opera, much like coverage now in the United States. But there are other factors at play as well. First, opportunities for gainful employment, particularly for those without a college degree, and particularly for females, is extremely circumscribed. Second, family pressures to "produce" money for the school fees of younger children, for parents' medical problems, or just to put food on the table, are enormous in poorer communities, and familial obligations are felt much more strongly here than in the West.
GE.[/QUOTE]Are you ascribing drama to lack of money? I have delt with plenty of Filipina chicks that are not rich and don't get half the drama you guys talk about. Maybe they are just able to turn it on and off and know who they can get away with what with.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2233270]Are you ascribing drama to lack of money? I have delt with plenty of Filipina chicks that are not rich and don't get half the drama you guys talk about. Maybe they are just able to turn it on and off and know who they can get away with what with.[/QUOTE]Would they be younger ones? 19-22? Mid 23-27 seasoned-above 27? That they don't give you drama?
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2233270]Are you ascribing drama to lack of money? I have delt with plenty of Filipina chicks that are not rich and don't get half the drama you guys talk about. Maybe they are just able to turn it on and off and know who they can get away with what with.[/QUOTE]No I am saying that for a lot of pina's life is equal to drama. Money demands are a separate issue, just remember that if a girl can scam a just guy out of 1000 p a day, she is better off than having a regular job. Some girls will use drama as a tool to get you to send money, some will take an opposite tact and try to shame you into sending money, con you into sending money so that they can come to see you and make your wildest fantasies come true, some will. You get the idea. Not all will try to con you, some will actually come see you if you send them money, most will not. A fundamental rule is never send money to a girl you have not met yet. Yes you will lose a girl or two but overall you will save a lot of money. (Second fundamental rule is to try not to send money to a girl you have met, send a grab to pick them up, buy the tickets directly, make their bill payments directly etc.).
There soap operas (as are their politics, and their lives on a job. As is their family life etc.) are all drama driven, huge conflict over nothing that ends well after an hour less commercial time is how some of these girls view the world.
If no huge drama then no live happy ever after in their minds. If no yelling and screaming then you don't love them enough to fight for them.
The amount of drama is totally independent of other factors in the girls like education, money social status etc. It is, if anything maturity driven, the immature girls without regard for their chronological age, want the drama because they cannot differentiate between TV shows and reality. More mature women, again without regard for chronological age, see that TV is not reality an will dispense with the drama in some (a few, most, once in a while?) cases.
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They look better going than they do coming!
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2233270]Are you ascribing drama to lack of money? I have delt with plenty of Filipina chicks that are not rich and don't get half the drama you guys talk about. Maybe they are just able to turn it on and off and know who they can get away with what with.[/QUOTE]Correct! They know whose dick they can twist for cash. They know it would not work on the mongers who just move on to the next puss waiting in line. Hence, they do not even try. LOL! They save the emotional extortion for fellas who care about their tantrums and fictitious crises.
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Chick I fucked last time I was in Manila talking about she fell and had to have surgery to the tune of 150K. Shit. I thought I closed my tab out when I saw her. How is my whatsapp popping up in the conversation of a hospital bill? Hell, I don't even know what a patellar is! Sounds made up to me. If it wasn't for the pictures...
I ate at McDonald's 3 weeks ago. The fry machine there went on the fritz last week. They didn't call me asking if I could pitch in to pay the electrician.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2234682]....
I ate at McDonald's 3 weeks ago. The fry machine there went on the fritz last week. They didn't call me asking if I could pitch in to pay the electrician.[/QUOTE]The only reason they didn't call is you never left your number.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2234682]Chick I fucked last time I was in Manila talking about she fell and had to have surgery to the tune of 150K.what a patellar is! Sounds made up to me. [/QUOTE]Sounds like a new version of the arm transfusion scam. She is probably babbling about her knee. Photos doctored (pun intended).
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4 Nights in Manila.
Was in Manila (Makati) transiting for a job. Prior to arrival spent a bit of time on Pinalove and Dateinasia. Organised some meetings. First from Pinalove no showed. So hopped on Wechat but after an annoying conversation that resulted in some time wasting I was simply too tired to be bothered. Next day got a Wechat massage girl to come over for 2500. Was a lot chubbier than photos but I just wanted a massage and some relief so I forgoed anything more. Had organised a meeting with a PinaLove girl but she bailed. Went to LA Cafe that night but wasnt impressed. Went on Wechat about midnight and got a reasonable 24 yo and had reasonable but not mind blowing sex, cost 2000 but ended up giving her 2500 for taxi. Next day organised a 25 yo from tinder to visit. Again OK slim figure but empty tits from having a kid, paid 3000. Another 20 yo girl had been chatting to from Tinder kept bugging me but wanted too much. I was interested in having her a couple of days but goal posts kept moving. We eventually met about 5 pm the next day and she stayed overnight. Was pleasant looking but slightly chubby. She needed money for her study and according to her only had 2 boyfriends. I kept telling her that I was old and reloading would take some time. We had agreed on 2500 a shot. She wanted as many shots as she could and got a prolonged riding. She was a bit inexperienced but the freshness made it a bit more exciting. She is open to meeting when I return but I told her now we have met, the pricing next time will be somewhat less. I attach her photos below. I had quiet a few interactions with PL and the girls but they all danced around being able to meet. Perhaps will have better luck on my way out. The company paid for my flights and accommodation so I was not so concerned about price, I was more concerned about getting good quality and given I don't like bars and saved myself the transport, drinks and barfines, I was happy with the value / quality that I achieved.
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College girl.
[QUOTE=GDreams;2235282]Was in Manila (Makati) transiting for a job. Prior to arrival spent a bit of time on Pinalove and Dateinasia. Organised some meetings. First from Pinalove no showed. So hopped on Wechat but after an annoying conversation that resulted in some time wasting I was simply too tired to be bothered. Next day got a Wechat massage girl to come over for 2500. Was a lot chubbier than photos but I just wanted a massage and some relief so I forgoed anything more. Had organised a meeting with a PinaLove girl but she bailed. Went to LA Cafe that night but wasnt impressed. Went on Wechat about midnight and got a reasonable 24 yo and had reasonable but not mind blowing sex, cost 2000 but ended up giving her 2500 for taxi. Next day organised a 25 yo from tinder to visit. Again OK slim figure but empty tits from having a kid, paid 3000. Another 20 yo girl had been chatting to from Tinder kept bugging me but wanted too much. I was interested in having her a couple of days but goal posts kept moving. We eventually met about 5 pm the next day and she stayed overnight. Was pleasant looking but slightly chubby. She needed money for her study and according to her only had 2 boyfriends. I kept telling her that I was old and reloading would take some time. We had agreed on 2500 a shot. She wanted as many shots as she could and got a prolonged riding. She was a bit inexperienced but the freshness made it a bit more exciting. She is open to meeting when I return but I told her now we have met, the pricing next time will be somewhat less. I attach her photos below. I had quiet a few interactions with PL and the girls but they all danced around being able to meet. Perhaps will have better luck on my way out. The company paid for my flights and accommodation so I was not so concerned about price, I was more concerned about getting good quality and given I don't like bars and saved myself the transport, drinks and barfines, I was happy with the value / quality that I achieved.[/QUOTE]That Hippoprostimus has a huge horse pussy! LOL! At P2,500 per shot, she made bank. Doubt that she will spend it on going to school to get a job paying P350 per day. All the hookers in Manila claim that they are college girls because they think that it raises their market value. Maybe it does for Pinoy clientele because all the taxi drivers touting hookers always claim that they can provide "college girls" to mongers. The only educational institutions those girls attend are Cowboy Grill University and LA Caf College, where they work towards their MBA in Entrepreneurial Intercourse.
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Lost a rergular
I lost one of my regular girls today. She had been coming every Saturday after her last class and leaving Tuesday mornings for her first class of the week, no classes on Mondays.
She was a lot of fun to be with and was even good company out of bed, intelligent and pretty worldly for a pina who has not traveled many places.
She forgot that we had agreed that marriage and kids were not going to happen, she drew a line in the sand saying she wanted marriage and at least one kid (knowing full well that that is basically an impossibility for me now).
Spent the evening on Tinder and PL, have a date lined up for tomorrow and another one for Sunday. I'll miss her but it will not take long to fill her place in the schedule.
The moral of the story is that no matter how much fun she is, how much you like her there are several out there that will be just as much fun, be just as likable and will be ready to step into her place in pretty short notice. Never let them rewrite the terms and conditions of the relationship unilaterally.
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DIA an VPN update
I was kicked off of DIA due to a verbal altercation with a nasty Ladyboy who was passing himself off as a girl. Unfortunately I used some language apparently deemed unacceptable. I also suspect I was reported by some girls who I must have come on to forward with. (word to the wise that they are not all on there for a date for sex and will seek revenge for perceived disrespect). So I have established a new account using another PC, a new email, and new pics. I don't know if that was the reason or not but I can no longer log in using my VPN. I just disconnect from the IPA VPN prior to sign in and that works to get me back in. I was writing down names and CP numbers as I searched so all is not lost although much was. So Sad.
[QUOTE=ForkTruck;2232355]I forgot to add. My VPN provider is IPA.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2235667]She forgot that we had agreed that marriage and kids were not going to happen, she drew a line in the sand saying she wanted marriage and at least one kid (knowing full well that that is basically an impossibility for me now).[/QUOTE]I always say that it is cop and blow and to enjoy someone while you are with them. Your experience is why you can always be honest with women. They will agree to anything, thinking later they change whatever was said. I have a chick in Dominican Republic that I am messing with. She got mad at me for whatever reason and suggested hooking me up with her friend that has no kids and a good job. I took her up on the offer. Now that I am talking to her friend she is even angry about that. Bih, it was your suggestion. What these biches really want from a?
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[QUOTE=ForkTruck;2235712]I was kicked off of DIA due to a verbal altercation with a nasty Ladyboy who was passing himself off as a girl. Unfortunately I used some language apparently deemed unacceptable. I also suspect I was reported by some girls who I must have come on to forward with. (word to the wise that they are not all on there for a date for sex and will seek revenge for perceived disrespect). So I have established a new account using another PC, a new email, and new pics. I don't know if that was the reason or not but I can no longer log in using my VPN. I just disconnect from the IPA VPN prior to sign in and that works to get me back in. I was writing down names and CP numbers as I searched so all is not lost although much was. So Sad.[/QUOTE]I'm glad it worked out for you in the end but I don't bother any more. I've also been banned from DIA but PL, Cupid et al are too much like shooting fish in a barrel for me to be mucking around with additional laptops, VPNs, emails etc.
Connecting girls' usernames, hotness rating and contact details already uses 95% of my IQ. Spreading these across multiple platforms would just be too hard 🙄.
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[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2235667]I lost one of my regular girls today. She had been coming every Saturday after her last class and leaving Tuesday mornings for her first class of the week, no classes on Mondays.
She was a lot of fun to be with and was even good company out of bed, intelligent and pretty worldly for a pina who has not traveled many places.
She forgot that we had agreed that marriage and kids were not going to happen, she drew a line in the sand saying she wanted marriage and at least one kid (knowing full well that that is basically an impossibility for me now).[/QUOTE]I hate to burst your bubble but, for what ever reason, she has decided to move on. Its nothing to do with her being scatter brained. She's just using a relationship and kids as a convenient, face saving excuse.
It's pretty normal for girls to engineer a conflict point so that they can have a blame free exit.
Well done on managing the trauma of separation so well. . . 👍 👍 😁.
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[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2235525]That Hippoprostimus has a huge horse pussy! LOL! At P2,500 per shot, she made bank. Doubt that she will spend it on going to school to get a job paying P350 per day. All the hookers in Manila claim that they are college girls because they think that it raises their market value. Maybe it does for Pinoy clientele because all the taxi drivers touting hookers always claim that they can provide "college girls" to mongers. The only educational institutions those girls attend are Cowboy Grill University and LA Caf College, where they work towards their MBA in Entrepreneurial Intercourse.[/QUOTE]Even if they are officially college educated in the PI a bachelor's degree there might be the equivalent of one year of college in the USA More likely, a high school diploma. Still, most all excel at deception psychology and carnal international relations.
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[QUOTE=Goferring;2235864]I hate to burst your bubble but, for what ever reason, she has decided to move on. Its nothing to do with her being scatter brained. She's just using a relationship and kids as a convenient, face saving excuse.
It's pretty normal for girls to engineer a conflict point so that they can have a blame free exit.
Well done on managing the trauma of separation so well. . . 👍 👍 😁.[/QUOTE]I know this one pretty well, I believe her reason.
Either way it does not matter, she has gone, I have an opening to fill in my schedule. Yesterday's interview and trial fuck was a bust, she starfished and did not have any oral skills to really speak of. Hope today's interview / trial goes better.
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[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2236116]I know this one pretty well, I believe her reason.
Either way it does not matter, she has gone, I have an opening to fill in my schedule. Yesterday's interview and trial fuck was a bust, she starfished and did not have any oral skills to really speak of. Hope today's interview / trial goes better.[/QUOTE]Reminds me of a virgin from Leyte I had relationship with for two years. I did pop her cherry. In the beginning she was happy with no serious relationship . We were together for a week every three months and she was happy. But on one trip she said she is busy with family matters and cannot be with me. I sensed something is wrong and arranged another girl for my trip. But she kept on checking on me every chance she got. I told her I had cancelled the trip. Following trip after 6 months I contacted her. Initially she said she cannot be with me because she found a job . I said this is the second time she said no and I told her I will find another girl but because I am not canceling my trip this time. Then she confided that she has been with a foreigner and she is pregnant with no support . Can I help her because she says foreigner vanished. I refused . Still she kept in touch with me and wanted us to get back together and she said she is happy because she has a child.
Moral of the story is these girls ambition in life is to have a baby without thinking about long term stability .
But there are always plenty of fish in the sea or should I say plenty of pussies on the islands.
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Moral of the story is these girls ambition in life is to have a baby without thinking about long term stability .
But there are always plenty of fish in the sea or should I say plenty of pussies on the islands.[/QUOTE]They have long term plans for stability.
Ask immediate family for help.
Ask extended family for help.
Ask Philippine community for help.
If above options fail, or if you do not expect any help from these sources, ask foreigner for help.
Remember foreigners have lots of money, they have no reason not to help, just ask, and ask another and so on. Pretty soon you have a string of foreigners sending money. If they only come once every 6 months for a week with proper scheduling you can have 25 sending you money and one here buying you things and taking you places. Rinse and repeat as necessary.
Their plans just do not include taking personal responsibility for anything that happens.
This is not all pinas but will be a very highly over represented part of the pina population that foreigners will be able to meet.
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[QUOTE=Sammon;2236125]
Moral of the story is these girls ambition in life is to have a baby without thinking about long term stability . [/QUOTE]I think that's exactly what she was doing: thinking about long term stability. Having a baby / babies is very important to them because they are their pension plan. Their children have to take care of them when they are old.
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[QUOTE=Mogwai;2236249]I think that's exactly what she was doing: thinking about long term stability. Having a baby / babies is very important to them because they are their pension plan. Their children have to take care of them when they are old.[/QUOTE]That was part of her stated reason to want a kid, so she would not be alone in her old age.
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[QUOTE=Mogwai;2236249]I think that's exactly what she was doing: thinking about long term stability. Having a baby / babies is very important to them because they are their pension plan. Their children have to take care of them when they are old.[/QUOTE]Whic his not at all unusual in subsistance agrarian communities in a country with extremely weak social safety nets. She is a reflection of her culture and nothing more. Nor is this much different from pre-Industrial Revolution Europe and North America, and to judge such values from a post-Industrial perspective is to distort their meaning.
GE.
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[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2236302]Whic his not at all unusual in subsistance agrarian communities in a country with extremely weak social safety nets. She is a reflection of her culture and nothing more. Nor is this much different from pre-Industrial Revolution Europe and North America, and to judge such values from a post-Industrial perspective is to distort their meaning.
GE.[/QUOTE]But the economics do not work out. The girl that just had her baby will need to support that baby while supporting her parents. But she can barely support herself. The whole notion is a self-propagating farce. But mongers and the Catholic Church can agree it suits their interests.
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Unending Nonsense
[QUOTE=Sammon;2236125]Moral of the story is these girls ambition in life is to have a baby without thinking about long term stability .
But there are always plenty of fish in the sea or should I say plenty of pussies on the islands.[/QUOTE]The vast majority of these women have no plans. Zero. None. Nada. They have no education and nor do anyone connected with them. Wherever one goes in the under developed world, one finds many single mothers are hookers. That is because some young guy talked his way into their panties and literally left them holding the baby, to use a very well-known expression. It is a story replicated all across Asia, Africa and Latin America.
Seven ton mongers expect these women to have a career path planned out. That is because the mongers spent too much tie at the eat all you can buffet and not enough time thinking or doing a Margaret Mead.
Many years ago, British TV made a fascinating documentary, 7 up, on British kids. They interviewed 7 year old kids, asked them what they wanted to be etc. The rich kids could predict where they would be at 21, 28 etc. The poor kids all wanted to be cowboys and firemen. Here is a link. TV at its very best [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LQZpiSfESE&list=PLTb86Ml_51PonxUmIMQQPSUa2CqWLev9Y[/URL].
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[QUOTE=SaltyPete;2236339]But the economics do not work out. The girl that just had her baby will need to support that baby while supporting her parents. But she can barely support herself. The whole notion is a self-propagating farce. But mongers and the Catholic Church can agree it suits their interests.[/QUOTE]That is something that drives me crazy hanging out in third-world countries. The countries will never come up because the people are being held back by their parents. In my country, parents raise their kids to go out and make their own way in the world. In countries like PI, parents raise their kids to grow up and take care of them. It is ridiculous.
I was talking to one chick in the Dominican Republic, 25 years old with no kids. She was saying she did not know what to do because she is about to lose her place. I said well go stay with your mom. She said that there is no space there for her because of her younger siblings. She also said that she is the one that has to pay for her mom's place. I thought that was crazy. Why should she have to pay for her mom's irresponsibility of fucking ain't shit dudes and having kids with them. This chick is 25 and free as a bird and should be out exploring, yet she has to be held back to pay for her mom's fuck ups.
I told her I would never expect my daughter to take care of me. My job was to raise her that she will be able to take care of herself and the children that she will have. She got mad at me and blocked me because she said parents need to be honored because they bring you into the world, and I do not respect parents. But from my perspective it is her parent that is not respecting her. I would feel like a total ass expecting my daughter to be bogged down trying to take care of me while I am able-bodied - especially if I am fucking around having more kids to exacerbate my situation. I could never bring myself to do that.
I have a chick in Manila that broke free of the spell. She is tired of feeling used and being held back by her mom and she claims she is ready to put her foot down.
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[QUOTE=SaltyPete;2236339]But the economics do not work out. The girl that just had her baby will need to support that baby while supporting her parents. But she can barely support herself. The whole notion is a self-propagating farce. But mongers and the Catholic Church can agree it suits their interests.[/QUOTE]Agreed, but with a weak safety net, a lousy education system, an economy that doesn't begin to generate sufficient new jobs and the fact that un-mechanized smallholder agriculture literally wears people out while they're in their 50's it doesn't appear that there's an end in sight to this mind set. Add to this an appalling lack of family planning knowledge among largely uneducated people, and a Catholic Church loudly proclaiming the sinfulness of birth control, and you've got a self-perpetuating cycle.
GE.
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[QUOTE=Sammon;2236125]Reminds me of a virgin from Leyte I had relationship with for two years. I did pop her cherry. In the beginning she was happy with no serious relationship . We were together for a week every three months and she was happy. But on one trip she said she is busy with family matters and cannot be with me. I sensed something is wrong and arranged another girl for my trip. But she kept on checking on me every chance she got. I told her I had cancelled the trip. Following trip after 6 months I contacted her. Initially she said she cannot be with me because she found a job . I said this is the second time she said no and I told her I will find another girl but because I am not canceling my trip this time. Then she confided that she has been with a foreigner and she is pregnant with no support . Can I help her because she says foreigner vanished. I refused . Still she kept in touch with me and wanted us to get back together and she said she is happy because she has a child.
Moral of the story is these girls ambition in life is to have a baby without thinking about long term stability .
But there are always plenty of fish in the sea or should I say plenty of pussies on the islands.[/QUOTE]It is not unusual for them to cry and demand cream pie. If you will not, or cannot, deliver a potent cream pie, the women will find someone else to breed them. When the breeder makes like Harry Houdini and escapes, the women will return to you with the offer of a Shake 'and Bake family with you as the sole breadwinner.
Most women aspire to do whatever they want in life and make men pay for it. That ambition is not limited to developing countries. In the USA, women have tried everything from going after sperm donors for child support to going after a neighbor who provided free babysitting because the woman felt he acted as the putative father, inadvertently making himself liable to pay the single mother child support.
Women dream of a utopia where they can do whatever they want and never have to worry about the consequences or supporting themselves. LOL! It is no coincidence that bad boy billionaire romance novels are the most purchased books among women.
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[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2236345]Many years ago, British TV made a fascinating documentary, 7 up, on British kids. They interviewed 7 year old kids, asked them what they wanted to be etc. The rich kids could predict where they would be at 21, 28 etc. The poor kids all wanted to be cowboys and firemen. Here is a link. TV at its very best [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LQZpiSfESE&list=PLTb86Ml_51PonxUmIMQQPSUa2CqWLev9Y[/URL].[/QUOTE]Great TV show PM. Have seen all the episodes but then was halted when the participants were in their 50's. Some of the poor people did do OK and were very proud but you correctly point out the rich kids (some who had in built bias by the age of 7) knew what they would (even the schools I think I remember).
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2236373]I said well go stay with your mom. She said that there is no space there for her because of her younger siblings. She also said that she is the one that has to pay for her mom's place. I thought that was crazy. Why should she have to pay for her mom's irresponsibility
This chick is 25 and free as a bird and should be out exploring, yet she has to be held back to pay for her mom's fuck ups.
She got mad at me and blocked me because she said parents need to be honored because they bring you into the world, and I do not respect parents
I have a chick in Manila that broke free of the spell. She is tired of feeling used and being held back by her mom and she claims she is ready to put her foot down.[/QUOTE]Very true. Know one cutie in Cebu has returned there after a spell of working overseas and is now super stressed as the parents are demanding cash etc. Another who is now overseas most of the time says that when she returns home she is treated as domestic servant with everyone expecting her to drive them around, do errands as the rest of the family can't be bothered and she lives overseas so must be rich.
Parents are a cause of relationship breaks up IMHO in Asia with the parents placing too much stress to get her man to cough up cash etc. They have the mentality that they must look after parents as you said Mr E and this will never change in the medium term when the church (as GE says) plays a huge role in shaping their ideals so early in life and perpetuates it later.
Have told many cuties that their parents are ruining their lives and had argument about it like you. Nothing with change IMHO until they themselves see how bad it st and make the first move as some have done (same as your 25 year old).
[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2236388]Agreed, but with a weak safety net, a lousy education system, an economy that doesn't begin to generate sufficient new jobs and the fact that un-mechanized smallholder agriculture literally wears people out while they're in their 50's it doesn't appear that there's an end in sight to this mind set. Add to this an appalling lack of family planning knowledge among largely uneducated people, and a Catholic Church loudly proclaiming the sinfulness of birth control, and you've got a self-perpetuating cycle.
GE.[/QUOTE]Always sensible GE and you see it first hand more than me. In many ways I am sure the politicians want them poor and uneducated so that they get re-elected and enjoy the pork more. Look at Makati now with elections coming where are the choices of candidates LOL.
[URL]https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1042816/emotional-abby-binay-appeals-to-junjun-for-chance[/URL]
And one of them I think is still being prosecuted for some shenanigans when he was mayor.
Maybe I am harsh but look at other cities and the same happens there (Cebu I know well for instance). As someone said to me yesterday, they will vote for whoever gives them a sack of tice, Pepsi, a T Shirt and 100 pesos.
I have hope that things will be better as have friends there plus the cuties but needs a sea change in attitude and a tsunami in politics for it to happen for the cycle to be stopped.
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[QUOTE=SaltyPete;2236339]..... But mongers and the Catholic Church can agree it suits their interests.[/QUOTE]I never thought that I would ever have any use for the Catholic Church but as long as they adopt policies that get girls in my bed I'm all for them LOL.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2236373]That is something that drives me crazy hanging out in third-world countries. The countries will never come up because the people are being held back by their parents. In my country, parents raise their kids to go out and make their own way in the world. In countries like PI, parents raise their kids to grow up and take care of them. It is ridiculous.
....[/QUOTE]In the historical content of these countries it makes perfect sense. They need the kids so that enough will survive to adulthood and then take care of the parents. The problem occurs because the cultural changes happen a lot slower than the economic changes. As the Philippines attempts to become a modern economy, the cultural imperative is still to have lots of kids when the economic imperative is to have only 2 or 3 at the most. The result is a population explosion that the area cannot sustain so 10 million have to leave home to support the ones left behind.
I have spent most of the last dozen or so years working in USAID funded programs. I always get into an argument with the do gooders there by saying that the last thing that they should do is anything related to health care or too many will survive to adulthood and the local resources and economy cannot take care of all of them leading to social unrest and instability. I can point to one place near my name stake city that this is exactly what has happened. The area went from food sufficient to massive food shortages just about entirely due to the improved health care offered that allowed the popluyation to expand beyond the capability of the place to handle. Now instead of slight food exporting there are twice weekly 100 to 150 truck convoys from the WFP (World Food Program) going there delivering food. That place did not have the equivalent of OFW's to relieve the pressure. Without all the OFW's leaving here and remitting money home this place would be a disaster.
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[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2236581]I have spent most of the last dozen or so years working in USAID funded programs. I always get into an argument with the do gooders there by saying that the last thing that they should do is anything related to health care or too many will survive to adulthood and the local resources and economy cannot take care of all of them leading to social unrest and instability.[/QUOTE]Remember that the NGOs and Aid organisations will not bite the hand that feeds them: coming to PI or many other developing countries promoting birth control will see them quickly ejected from the country or, in the longer term, an erosion of their work load.
Millions of poor kids and single mothers
make for easy fund raising and an ongoing workload.
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Off topic alert
Isn't this a bit off topic guys?
The last 20 posts are not "on-topic".
Let's get back to Chat Rooms and Pen Pals and move this somewhere else.
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[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2236581]
I have spent most of the last dozen or so years working in USAID funded programs. I always get into an argument with the do gooders there by saying that the last thing that they should do is anything related to health care or too many will survive to adulthood and the local resources and economy cannot take care of all of them leading to social unrest and instability. I can point to one place near my name stake city that this is exactly what has happened. The area went from food sufficient to massive food shortages just about entirely due to the improved health care offered that allowed the popluyation to expand beyond the capability of the place to handle.[/QUOTE]Though it sounds harsh and somewhat cynical, in terms of pure economics you're correct. However, in 35 years of aid work, much of it funded by USAID and much of it in this and other SE Asian countries, I've yet to see a particularly effective public health program with sustainable results. Even the government's well-intended efforts to provide free HPV vaccines and birth control / family planning information and contraception was stymied by the Catholic Church which felt that HPV vaccinations would lead to "promiscuity" and of course contraception would be government-sanctioned sin.
The irony of course is that more well educated, upper middle class and rich families have practiced effective family planning for years, don't give much of a damn what the church says, and keep family sizes small. So the poor and uneducated increase their sheer numbers year on year, thus attenuating scarce food and financial resources, and the better educated have only the number of children they can afford to educate.
GE.
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Woolwirths on 7 Up.
[QUOTE=WickedRoger;2236536]Great TV show PM. Have seen all the episodes but then was halted when the participants were in their 50's. Some of the poor people did do OK and were very proud but you correctly point out the rich kids (some who had in built bias by the age of 7) knew what they would (even the schools I think I remember)..[/QUOTE]I watched it again. When asked what she'd be when she grew up, one said she'd work in Woolworths. I'd imagine she and the others worked out ok, as you suggest. They had no NGOs poncing off them and moralising to them. The crimes NGOs have committed against the poor are legion and to hear them drone on and on about what put champagne on their tables is off-putting. If you want to lift people out of poverty, follow the Chinese line. Execute NGO workers and other corrupt riff raff. Follow the advice of Ho Chi Minh and make two blades of grass grow where one grew previously. Above all, ignore the NGO parasites.
They are like that guy in the Tennesse Williams play who tells his poor mate to buy a cassette recorder, without being savvy enough to know he cannot afford such luxuries.
The only skill most of these women have is to open their legs and to put dicks into their mouths. They quite rightly regard listening to Sherman tanks tell them how to do things they cannot do as extra, unpaid work they would sooner do without as they have had to listen to it all before.
I am now giving a woman going through a rough divorce advice on how to shaft her husband and get custody of their child. The pay off for me is to put Pedrito into her hairy ATM. She can listen or not listen, follow my plan or not. All I want is to put sperm into her pussy. If I help her along the way, good.
It is the same with Pinay women. For all practical purposes, they exist for me to impale on my middle leg. I am happy to give them some advice before patting them on their backsides and sending them on their way. They would be more interested if I could help them win a beauty pageant or get more guys to stick penises into them than giving them an unoriginal and biased account on how to rescue the Philippines form itself.
I am trying Tinder now. Most of my matches are with scam artists, who want to take the talk off line. It would be better than these interminable, unoriginal lectures.
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Chatting to angels.
Thanks RK for the heads up.
I recently found a gal online with an angelic face. In her profile she suggested that she was looking for a "lifetime" situation.
At some point I was in town. We exchanged a few more messages and I asked her about a good place to meet.
"How about ST at your hotel".
[QUOTE=RedKilt;2236594]Isn't this a bit off topic guys?
The last 20 posts are not "on-topic".
Let's get back to Chat Rooms and Pen Pals and move this somewhere else.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2236683]I watched it again. When asked what she'd be when she grew up, one said she'd work in Woolworths. I'd imagine she and the others worked out ok, as you suggest. They had no NGOs poncing off them and moralising to them. The crimes NGOs have committed against the poor are legion and to hear them drone on and on about what put champagne on their tables is off-putting. If you want to lift people out of poverty, follow the Chinese line. Execute NGO workers and other corrupt riff raff. Follow the advice of Ho Chi Minh and make two blades of grass grow where one grew previously. Above all, ignore the NGO parasites.
They are like that guy in the Tennesse Williams play who tells his poor mate to buy a cassette recorder, without being savvy enough to know he cannot afford such luxuries.
The only skill most of these women have is to open their legs and to put dicks into their mouths. They quite rightly regard listening to Sherman tanks tell them how to do things they cannot do as extra, unpaid work they would sooner do without as they have had to listen to it all before..[/QUOTE]The indictment of NGOs is fully justified, as their useless staff run around moralizing and putting on airs during the daylight hours while fucking the natives at night in exchange for a little more handouts. Those caught with their pricks up the holes of natives in Haiti, Nepal, and Africa are just the tip of the iceberg.
The NGO workers have a nice scam going where they earn inflated developed country salaries, stay in luxury hotels, fly first / business class, ride around in land cruisers, and eat expensive imported food. They do all of this on donations or grant money. Such parasites can hardly teach the local populations in developing countries anything about self-reliance.
The NGOs worsen conditions in developing countries as they increase corruption, and maintain the colonial farce of helping and educating the natives, while ignoring the rapaciousness of wealthy foreign governments and their corporations, which exploit developing countries for cheap labor and natural resources with the help of corrupt local politicians.
The life of the overpaid and underworked NGO parasite consists of writing reports with inflated data to make the situation sound direr than it actually is, sending emails expressing great alarm at local conditions, and forecasting catastrophe if donors fail to provide larger amounts of funding. This keeps the money rolling in for him to enjoy good food and drink at the finest local restaurants, luxurious housing with servants, and a young native mistress or wife. This still leaves him enough money to patronize the mid to upper tier prostitution establishments.
The native girlfriend or wife gives him his fig leaf of respectability to condemn sex tourists, as he can claim that his reasons for being in sex tourism country is "work" and "family" unlike those other guys. However, everyone can see through their bullshit. The only thing keeping them in these basket case countries is the easy access to young women of loose morals willing to take old sperms in all orifices for a small fee or favor.
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Posting profile links.
What's the forum policy on posting links to interesting DIA, Tagged and Pinalove profiles with recommendations?
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[QUOTE=XMan;2236731]Thanks RK for the heads up.
I recently found a gal online with an angelic face. In her profile she suggested that she was looking for a "lifetime" situation.
At some point I was in town. We exchanged a few more messages and I asked her about a good place to meet.
"How about ST at your hotel".[/QUOTE]LOL.
I know one with a sweet and innocent Facebook profile and on PinaLove it is similar. Her rationale is that she needs to attract a 'good man' for a husband. However, she is very naughty, loves all forms kinky and will go selfie [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord103][CodeWord103][/url] vids if asked.
Love the pinays.
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[QUOTE=XMan;2236731]......
"How about ST at your hotel".[/QUOTE]At lease it was at your place not an SOGO where she knows the staff and can get volume discounts LOL.
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Linking to a profile?
[QUOTE=BrainDrain;2236882]What's the forum policy on posting links to interesting DIA, Tagged and Pinalove profiles with recommendations?[/QUOTE]Since phone numbers aren't allowed, I'm guessing it would be frowned upon. It would also swamp the gals profile. The only good reason to identify someone here IMHO would be if she was a thief (or worse).
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Pinalove down?
Gents.
I'm getting this message Temporary database error. Please try again in a few minutes!
Is that usual?
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[QUOTE=Member#1088;2242625]Gents.
I'm getting this message Temporary database error. Please try again in a few minutes!
Is that usual?[/QUOTE]It came back, but now no messages are going thru.
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[QUOTE=Member#1088;2242634]It came back, but now no messages are going thru.[/QUOTE]Ahvall the way. I just received and answered a PM without difficulty.
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[QUOTE=Member#1088;2242634]It came back, but now no messages are going thru.[/QUOTE]Since the move to the. NL server I get the same error message a lot. From memory, it also says something about a scheduled service for 5 or 10 minutes.
Just grab a coffee and when it comes back online all services are available.
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[QUOTE=Goferring;2242671]Since the move to the. NL server I get the same error message a lot. From memory, it also says something about a scheduled service for 5 or 10 minutes.
Just grab a coffee and when it comes back online all services are available.[/QUOTE]Same message. Its usually at the top of the hour. I'd guess that the server goes offline daily at the same time for a systems check / restart / mount (or such). Will try to log the local time next time it happens.
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[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2242790]Same message. Its usually at the top of the hour. I'd guess that the server goes offline daily at the same time for a systems check / restart / mount (or such). Will try to log the local time next time it happens.[/QUOTE]This is just routine system maintenance, my guess is a backup routine or something similar.
Just do as the notice says and wait while.
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[QUOTE=Goferring;2242671]Since the move to the. NL server I get the same error message a lot.[/QUOTE]The OP was talking about Pinalove, not this board.
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[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2242801]This is just routine system maintenance, my guess is a backup routine or something similar.[/QUOTE]Yes it is and it's usually around 8:30 AM (GMT). Unfortunately the downtime has gone up since the move to the Netherlands. Don't know why.
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[QUOTE=Mogwai;2242804]The OP was talking about Pinalove, not this board.[/QUOTE]My bad but looks like everyone knew what I meant and is having the same fault.
Cheers, G.
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PinaLove vs FilipinoCupid?
So is one better than the other? I am definitely seeing more girls on PinaLove that come out and mention 'fun' and 'freelance', then again PL does seem to be set up so you can read the profile without having to hit any extra buttons whereas in FC you have to select 'read more' if the girl typed out a long comment, making it harder to spot when they say they are looking for fun and or freelance. I am getting the impression though that more girls are on FC vs PL. They both seem to work the same when you search, the girls online get shown first followed by the girls who are logged off, farther you search the longer its been since they've checked the website. I also have to add that girls are doing either one or the other, I am rarely running into girls I've seen on both websites. Has anyone used both of these sites?
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[QUOTE=Breadman;2242977]So is one better than the other? [/QUOTE]From my experience, they're incredibly similar. PL used to have a larger database by FC has caught up and exceeded it's rival (although they're probably all owned by the same company).
I can tell you that girls from both sites are equally useless at showing up on time, but equally skilled at ending up naked on my couch.
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For absolutely assured sex you guys ought to try [URL]https://pinaywalks.com/[/URL].
Explicit information including pics. Gift expectations are not very high.
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[QUOTE=NiceGuy99;2243115]For absolutely assured sex you guys ought to try [URL]https://pinaywalks.com/[/URL].
Explicit information including pics. Gift expectations are not very high.[/QUOTE]Is that 299 PHP or USD to use the chat function?
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[QUOTE=CallSignPapa;2243145]Is that 299 PHP or USD to use the chat function?[/QUOTE]"Payments are not recurring and therefore subscribing to channels is an ongoing process. Models' channel subscription fees are PHP 99 for 15 days of access (subscribers are hereby authorized a single access right to respective materials)". As it said.
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No bodies perfect in the worlds.
"No bodies perfect in the worlds".
I found this gal's profile message just after Halloween / Oct. 31. I couldn't help wondering what kind of a dead body she might think is perfect. X.
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What Kind of...
My university professor just sent me a picture saying We're in the cemetery celebrating All Saint's Day. I said what kind of weird shit is that? She said it is a Catholic tradition. I told her no. It is a Filipino tradition. You see I went to Catholic school for 8 years and nobody ever said anything about going to hang out at a cemetary.
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I'm assuming Mr. E already know this, but I post to the general audience.
All Saints Day? It's a bit Catholic / Spanish. They visit the cemetery in Mexico also.
You are probably more more familiar with the distorted American Halloween celebration, which is the day before Nov. 1.
I suffered thru some Catholic schools too. "Sex before marriage is a sin, and you will go to hell. ".
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2243338]My university professor just sent me a picture saying We're in the cemetery celebrating All Saint's Day. I said what kind of weird shit is that? She said it is a Catholic tradition. I told her no. It is a Filipino tradition. You see I went to Catholic school for 8 years and nobody ever said anything about going to hang out at a cemetary.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=XMan;2243346]I'm assuming Mr. E already know this, but I post to the general audience.
All Saints Day? It's a bit Catholic / Spanish. They visit the cemetery in Mexico also.
You are probably more more familiar with the distorted American Halloween celebration, which is the day before Nov. 1.
I suffered thru some Catholic schools too. "Sex before marriage is a sin, and you will go to hell. ".[/QUOTE]In Mexico, they bring.
Here is a good description from National Geography [URL]https://www.nationalgeographic.com/travel/destinations/north-america/mexico/top-ten-day-of-dead-mexico/[/URL].
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2243338]My university professor just sent me a picture saying We're in the cemetery celebrating All Saint's Day. I said what kind of weird shit is that? ......[/QUOTE]What is weird to one culture is normal to another. They most likely think letting small children extort candy from people by saying Trick or Treat, that is give me a treat or we will play a nasty trick on you, is kinda weird as well.
This is a day in which they honour their ancestors and departed loved ones.
What is wrong with that?
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2243338]My university professor just sent me a picture saying We're in the cemetery celebrating All Saint's Day. I said what kind of weird shit is that? She said it is a Catholic tradition. I told her no. It is a Filipino tradition. You see I went to Catholic school for 8 years and nobody ever said anything about going to hang out at a cemetary.[/QUOTE]In Phils and Latin America, October 31 is Halloween (costumes in the malls, disco and costume contests in the evening). November 1 is All-Saint's day, and November 2 is All-Soul's day. I've spent it before in the province. Its a 3-day holiday. Schools might be open on October 31, but they close the other 2 days. Many consider the entire week to be a holiday. Sometimes they refer to the 3-days as 'unda' or 'oondas' (sounds like that). Cemeteries turn into campgrounds. Locals bring food and alcohol (in quantity) and stay (literally sit on) the graves of their passed relatives, and have a fiesta. They bring their dead loved ones their fav meal (say, sisig or sinigang or such) and place it on the 'altar', along with a picture of the dead father or auntie. This stuff is extremely deep in the Latino culture. Not unlike the superstitious Mexican chupacabra (which most non-Mexicans have never heard of, and of which even Mexicans can agree upon what this fictional monster looks like), Day of the Dead / Unda is probably something most outsiders just aren't aware of. I have never seen Pinoy kids going around the barangay asking for candy, door-to-door. Just there is a big party in the barangay that night (costume contest, music, games). Anyone seen the kids going door-to-door?
This process is not a thang so much for Catholics in the US, but everywhere the Spaniards went, its a thing. Have seen it in Mexico, Honduras, Phils, and also heard it from pretty much every Latino that I've known in the SW USA (and that's a lot). Sometimes referred to also as 'Dia de los muertos' or Day of the Dead by Latinos (girls dressing up in ghoulish costume wear thick black lipstick, both in Mexico and Phils, just check the employees at a grocery store).
Way back in the day, there was this lady co-worker of mine, she was both as white and at the same time as Catholic as a lady can be (house-wifey, think Harriet from Ozzie and Harriet). Later her sister came to visit her for a week. One day the coworker asked if I would like to join her, her hubby, and her sister for dinner at a resto that night. Sure. When I arrived, the sister was already there, then the coworker and her hubby showed up. He is Puerto Rican, which I was not previously aware of. Before the coworker arrived the sister was sharing family stuff. Four brothers and two sisters. The sister was the only one to attend private (Catholic) school, the others attended public school in the US Northeast.
Talk turned to Halloween, which was the next night, the sister saying she disliked it and ignored it, the coworker saying they had purchased the candy and had costumes and were 'going around the neighborhood' with her kids the next night. The hubby blurted out that the thing (holiday) is messed up in the US, there's more to it than just going around for candy. I mentioned: day of the dead? "Yes. Exactly!" As he and I discussed it, it was clear the two ladies were not aware of it. "I tried to explain it before to my wife, and other things about the culture. She does not listen". One girl had been in Catholic school from kinder through college, the other had followed the sequence in public school. Neither one knew.
To get a better glimpse into this thing of remembering the passed relatives and the 'altar' (and the Latino / Pinoy culture in general, especially their beliefs in talking to the dead), I would suggest watching last year's animated movie 'Coco'. There are many superstitions and other items in the culture (s) that outsiders may not be aware of. For fun, ask your (next) pinay what a 'wok wok' is (pronounced walk-walk), and be ready for some superstition-shock.
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[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2243553]What is weird to one culture is normal to another. They most likely think letting small children extort candy from people by saying Trick or Treat, that is give me a treat or we will play a nasty trick on you, is kinda weird as well.
This is a day in which they honour their ancestors and departed loved ones.
What is wrong with that?[/QUOTE]Nothing is wrong with that. Just some like me at times are stuck in America is best culture.
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Eli21.
Some of the AC girls on PL are so very sophisticated.
"I'm looking for a Serious Relationship. If you're not looking for a Serious Relationship just fuck off."
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[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2243553]This is a day in which they honour their ancestors and departed loved ones.
What is wrong with that?[/QUOTE]Some pics from google images. These are from Phils, Oaxaca, and LOS Angeles.
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[QUOTE=XMan;2243642]Some of the AC girls on PL are so very sophisticated.
"I'm looking for a Serious Relationship. If you're not looking for a Serious Relationship just fuck off."[/QUOTE]Well, just because they live in Angeles does not mean they will jump into the sack with you for money. She maybe looking for ticket out of poverty. Most dating site girls start off with thinking some love struck guy will marry and take her. Some are successful. Most get jaded after a while and if there is money to be made start demanding. At the same time they have local guys fucking her. Soon she gets pregnant and with no support turn into sex for money. Once she is older she will marry or live with a local guy who supports her. In my experience it is only the young philippino boys who breed and run away. Once they are older in their thirties they settle down and live like family.
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[QUOTE=Sammon;2243967]Well, just because they live in Angeles does not mean they will jump into the sack with you for money. [/QUOTE]Totally agree. Sometimes they will jump into the sack with you for free. Not every chick is a hooker. Like the chick I reported on earlier this year that paid for my food, fucked me, spent the night, fucked me again, and left. I also reported on her in the AC forum yesterday because she hit me up from a new number and I didn't know who it was. She said she had a new number because she got robbed. Was just hitting me up to let me know she was coming to Thailand in December and wanted to know if I would be there to show her around.
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[QUOTE=Sammon;2243967]Well, just because they live in Angeles does not mean they will jump into the sack with you for money.[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2243980]Totally agree. Sometimes they will jump into the sack with you for free.[/QUOTE]
[/QUOTE]Now that was funny 🤣.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2243980]Not every chick is a hooker.[/QUOTE]But a chick can be both. 'Ain't nothing better than a freebee from a skilled hooker who wants to be there.
I once had a girl give me "buy one, get one free" and the second was the better of the two by far. 😁.
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Another AC sns gem.
At least this one has a bit of humor in it, but an icky ending when you read on and fine out that she's "a woman at heart".
"You can delete my number, unfollow me on Twitter and Facebook but you cannot unlick my bu**hole. ".
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They all have one thing in common, they are unemployed, but carry nice phones, their Facebook is full of vacation pictures and they always looking for love. Non stop and everyday.
It's more fun in the Philippines.
[QUOTE=XMan;2243642]Some of the AC girls on PL are so very sophisticated.
"I'm looking for a Serious Relationship. If you're not looking for a Serious Relationship just fuck off."[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=MohdirFan82;2244726]They all have one thing in common, they are unemployed, but carry nice phones, their Facebook is full of vacation pictures and they always looking for love. Non stop and everyday.
It's more fun in the Philippines.[/QUOTE]To add they say they are not working girls and not virgins.
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[QUOTE=Sammon;2244881]To add they say they are not working girls and not virgins.[/QUOTE]You guys are starting sound like the cat's meow!
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Great Photos.
[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2243951]Some pics from google images. These are from Phils, Oaxaca, and LOS Angeles.[/QUOTE]Especially the kids playing tag over the tombs. If Lonely Planet show cased this stuff,. The jokers would flock there. It is always a privilege to stumble into local stuff like that. I bet they have a ball. Much like Mardi Gras is the big orgy before Lent. When folk forget cycles, rhythm and flow, they are stuffed. Cannot be in the candy store all day every day or you end up toothless.
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Just checking.
I just started PLove, having a great time making friends.
I fear that I might not have enough time to spend with the different possible friends.
Do they have tendency of agreeing to meet, yet not arriving?
Thanks bro, Vic.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2243980]Totally agree. Sometimes they will jump into the sack with you for free. Not every chick is a hooker. Like the chick I reported on earlier this year that paid for my food, fucked me, spent the night, fucked me again, and left. I also reported on her in the AC forum yesterday because she hit me up from a new number and I didn't know who it was. She said she had a new number because she got robbed. Was just hitting me up to let me know she was coming to Thailand in December and wanted to know if I would be there to show her around.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=VictorHugo99;2245164]I just started PLove, having a great time making friends.
I fear that I might not have enough time to spend with the different possible friends.
Do they have tendency of agreeing to meet, yet not arriving?
Thanks bro, Vic.[/QUOTE]Let me know if you want some Angeles leads, have some good contacts for you there.
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The short answer is yes. Otherwise late is the norm. And when you least expect it, they come 15 minutes early.
Confirm and reconfirm if she's on the top of your list. Figure out where she lives and do your own math.
"Can you pay taxi" usually means you need to be right there and pay the driver.
[QUOTE=VictorHugo99;2245164]I just started PLove, having a great time making friends.
I fear that I might not have enough time to spend with the different possible friends.
Do they have tendency of agreeing to meet, yet not arriving?
Thanks bro, Vic.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=VictorHugo99;2245164]I just started PLove, having a great time making friends. I fear that I might not have enough time to spend with the different possible friends. Do they have tendency of agreeing to meet, yet not arriving?[/QUOTE]I would say to expect a 10% turnout rate. Some really meticulous guys have posted in the past, chatted to this many girls, got this many contacts, this many agreed to meet, this many actually showed up.
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[QUOTE=VictorHugo99;2245164]I just started PLove, having a great time making friends.
I fear that I might not have enough time to spend with the different possible friends.
Do they have tendency of agreeing to meet, yet not arriving?
Thanks bro, Vic.[/QUOTE]Depends on where you are.
If you are in a city where P2 P is normal (Manila, Cebu, AC) then once she says she is coming, she'll be there. Probably late but she will arrive.
In a provincial town expect many more no shows as your request battles with general nervousness, family duties, school, jobs and multiple jeepneys / trikes to get to you.
You will never have enough time to meet all the available girls. Prioritising is the solution.
Enjoy, G.
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Thanks for the tip.
Thanks Brain drain.
I have booked for Manila for work purposes. But I would surely like to check for AC for a short side trip when I get a chance. Thanks in advance. Vic.
[QUOTE=BrainDrain;2245636]Let me know if you want some Angeles leads, have some good contacts for you there.[/QUOTE]
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10%?
I'm not sure of the details here, but I find 10% a bit low. Maybe you meant a 10% no show. When I'm in country and call a gal to make or confirm a date, most show up. And most of them put out, despite there being no discussion of sex beforehand.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2245833]I would say to expect a 10% turnout rate. Some really meticulous guys have posted in the past, chatted to this many girls, got this many contacts, this many agreed to meet, this many actually showed up.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Goferring;2245900]Depends on where you are.
If you are in a city where P2 P is normal (Manila, Cebu, AC) then once she says she is coming, she'll be there. Probably late but she will arrive.
In a provincial town expect many more no shows as your request battles with general nervousness, family duties, school, jobs and multiple jeepneys / trikes to get to you.
You will never have enough time to meet all the available girls. Prioritising is the solution.
Enjoy, G.[/QUOTE]I have my share of no shows even in Manila, AC, Cebu.
Classic is one in Cebu. I contacted her from Manila. We talked on Skype every day. She said she is waiting for my arrival every day. At last the day comes. Her constant text to find out where I am till I boarded the plane. Plenty of texts while I was on the plane regarding arrival time which I read on landing. Her frantic texts saying why no reply. Obviously girl does not know I have no internet while flying unlike these days. On landing I texted her. Constant texts again to see where I am, what time I am in the hotel. Plan was her to come to the hotel after I got to the room. This time I was staying at Lahug waterfront. They upgraded me to a nice high roller suite. After I got to the room I texted her. No reply. Wait five minutes text again. No reply. Every five minutes text and wait for little more than an hour. No reply. By this time I had taken a shower and was ready. Thought something bad happened to her. Anyway went down to the casino, had couple of drinks, ate still no reply.
Found a nice looking freelancer waiting there. Small talk and into the room. Very nice GFE but not a great looker. Since I had texted the other girl my room number was afraid that a knock will come anytime. I thought maybe she does not have the load for texts. No knock. The girl I am with was in no hurry to leave and in fact she liked the room so much she asked me if she can stay for the same amount. She said we can have sex as many times as I want. Good for me. Her story was she is a student and needed money, so she comes to the casino once or twice a month to make money. Heard it all. Anyway clean girl. After the second round filled the jacuzzi tub and she loved it. While she was sleeping I called and texted the other planned girl. Still no reply.
Couple of more times sex and in the morning took her to breakfast which this girl loved. She came back to the room, one more round, money paid, she wrote down her phone number asked if I want company later. I said I have some work to do. And will call.
Back to the list of contacts, some no reply, some busy, and some asking more money. Back to chatting, found a nice girl who is willing to stay wiith me for rest of my stay. Quite pretty and I believe I posted her pic long time ago.
No contact with other planned girl for a long time. Next visit when I came back she suddenly texts me. I asked her what happened. Initially she did not want to talk about it but when I told her I was worried about her she said her parents suddenly came and stayed with her for few days. She did not want to contact me because she thought I would be angry. She said she is free and if she can be with me. I rejected her saying I give only one chance. Bottom line I did not believe her explanation.
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[QUOTE=Sammon;2245966]Back to the list of contacts, some no reply, some busy, and some asking more money. Back to chatting, found a nice girl who is willing to stay[/QUOTE]And that is why I said 10%. The man had a whole list and still had to go back to the drawing board. Sammon what do you think the percentage is of you having a list of new chicks and they come through as planned?
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[QUOTE=Sammon;2245966]I have my share of no shows even in Manila, AC, Cebu.
Classic is one in Cebu. I contacted her from Manila.
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I asked her what happened. Initially she did not want to talk about it but when I told her I was worried about her she said her parents suddenly came and stayed with her for few days. She did not want to contact me because she thought I would be angry. She said she is free and if she can be with me. I rejected her saying I give only one chance. Bottom line I did not believe her explanation.[/QUOTE]Every one has bad days every now and then. LOL.
Some have success with contacting girls before arrival but I never have. I always make first contact when I'm in their town and want to meet today. I've had no success meeting anyone "when I arrive next Thursday at 12:30".
I'm guessing that your girl had some one turn up in town while you were in transit to "maybe" meet her. They always take the bird in the hand vs someone who may or may not eventuate.
Good to read that you made the best of a bad situation. 👍.
Enjoy, G.
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Negative return on investment!
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2245977]And that is why I said 10%. The man had a whole list and still had to go back to the drawing board. Sammon what do you think the percentage is of you having a list of new chicks and they come through as planned?[/QUOTE]If you consider the fact that the ones that he managed to fuck was a casino freelancer and a girl who was not on the original list of chat mates, his list yielded a 100% no show rate with countless hours and effort wasted chatting online and texting. Most online girls have a Filipino trike-driver boyfriend or husband, and they chat foreign mongers for fun and entertainment to ease the boredom in their straw huts. Regardless of what they promise, they have no intention whatsoever of meeting sex tourists for a Viagra-induced vaginal pounding.
Ironically, the girls he succeeded in fucking required no extensive chatting and texting. Meanwhile, the one he spent time chatting and updating on his every move, ghosted his anxious penis at the very last minute. His story is very common, which is why point-and-fuck without reservations is still the best option for the no-strings attached monger.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2245977]And that is why I said 10%. The man had a whole list and still had to go back to the drawing board. Sammon what do you think the percentage is of you having a list of new chicks and they come through as planned?[/QUOTE]I am more of a long time GFE type of guy. If my first girl looks good, clean GFE I tend to keep her ignoring all others who I planned to be with. I am also known for breaking appointments.
I am not the type nowadays to have one for breakfast, one for lunch and one for dinner. Maybe I loose out on some really cute girls but it is what it is. Once I am happy with a girl I am with no looking at the rainbow.
After that trip, start compiling next list for next trip. LOL.
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I've been to Manila having not planned a single meet-up, and I've visited and pre-planned girls in fine detail.
The bottom line. I always get laid. If I can do it, anyone can.
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Odd question about the apps
If a girl states she's looking to date much younger guys, lets say she says she'll only date guys in the 35 range, what are the chances she'd accept an offer for a ST romp in your hotel? Or should one bypass girls that want to date younger guys?
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[QUOTE=Breadman;2246302]If a girl states she's looking to date much younger guys, lets say she says she'll only date guys in the 35 range, what are the chances she'd accept an offer for a ST romp in your hotel? Or should one bypass girls that want to date younger guys?[/QUOTE]This is quite common with girls who have better looks, own finances and / or education.
For some it just a front, like saying they only want a long term relationship, to pacify friends and family. If the opportunity arises these girls will jump at any opportunity for some $$$ or gifts.
Others, who don't need the money will be more selective. For these you will need looks, game or something more than an offer to make a quick 2000 p.
The only way to find out is to make contact and check on their expectations.
Be warned that the better looking girls have many options so often come with much baggage and a sense of entitlement. Looks and high rates do not always guarantee an awesome performance.
Cheers, G.
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[QUOTE=Sammon;2245966]Bottom line I did not believe her explanation.[/QUOTE]Nice report. Right decision.
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[QUOTE=Breadman;2246302]If a girl states she's looking to date much younger guys, lets say she says she'll only date guys in the 35 range, what are the chances she'd accept an offer for a ST romp in your hotel? Or should one bypass girls that want to date younger guys?[/QUOTE]I simply ignore everything in their profile except the pictures and if they have kids or not.
They say long term but that is often a cover for friends and family.
They state age ranges but I'm in my 60's and have seldom been turned down explicitly because of age.
The height and weights are often a straight guess, many of them have no idea how tall or how much they weigh, never measured or stood on a scale.
Cast a wide net then be selective as you narrow down the catch to pick the catch of the day. It only costs a few minutes to start a chat, I will have lots of on going chats with 10 to 20 different women at a time, They will as well so why not us too?
If you like what you see in pictures text chat and or video chat, make an offer, worst that can happen is you get turned down and have to look at a different profile.
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[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2246448]Cast a wide net then be selective as you narrow down the catch to pick the catch of the day. It only costs a few minutes to start a chat, I will have lots of on going chats with 10 to 20 different women at a time, They will as well so why not us too?[/QUOTE]The double edged sword about meeting people (non-P4P) on websites is that a lot of people don't have patience because it is easy to go right back and find someone else because there are thousands on the site. It is like the kid in a candy store effect on both sides.
Yesterday I started talking to a chick in Panama on Cupid. We went to whatsapp. First thing she did was send a voice message. I said write please. She said why don't you listen? I said I am in public. She cursed me out and blocked me. Weird! And that kind of shit happens all the time because it is too easy to find (not necessarily find, but look for) someone else.
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WOW< I wish all the girls I meet could do this
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgvqjwWo1gw[/URL]
OMG.
If all the girls I meet could do this, it will make it more easy to push inside.
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[QUOTE=Member#1088;2248730][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgvqjwWo1gw[/URL]
OMG.
If all the girls I meet could do this, it will make it more easy to push inside.[/QUOTE]Perhaps not, as the muscles must be very strong in the pelvic region to pull off that feat. However, assuming that sort of sport resulted in a huge loose hole. What pleasure would there be in tossing a hotdog down a hallway?
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2246503]The double edged sword about meeting people (non-P4P) on websites is that a lot of people don't have patience because it is easy to go right back and find someone else because there are thousands on the site. It is like the kid in a candy store effect on both sides.
Yesterday I started talking to a chick in Panama on Cupid. We went to whatsapp. First thing she did was send a voice message. I said write please. She said why don't you listen? I said I am in public. She cursed me out and blocked me. Weird! And that kind of shit happens all the time because it is too easy to find (not necessarily find, but look for) someone else.[/QUOTE]There are still a lot more girls on the sites then guys. Search how many girls were active in the last month, then use a girls account or set up a dummy female account and see how many guys there were.
In less than a year on Tinder, I have over 500 matches plus almost another 200 that have swiped right on me that I have not gotten around to contacting. I routinely delete 10 to 20 unsuitable girls every other day from my potential matches.
I haven't been on SA in months but there are about 300 unanswered messages there from girls as well. If I go on I will get another 50 before my profile falls back in the pack.
I can afford to lose a potential good one to be picky about getting higher odds of finding a suitable playmate. I'm no Brad Pitt but just a mid 60's grey haired westerner who is in not bad shape and I am getting this sort of action. (That may be working in my favour, I may be seen as a harmless old guy with enough money to be generous or taken advantage of IDK but I am enjoying the ride LOL).
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2246503]
Yesterday I started talking to a chick in Panama on Cupid. We went to whatsapp. First thing she did was send a voice message. I said write please. She said why don't you listen? I said I am in public. She cursed me out and blocked me. Weird! And that kind of shit happens all the time because it is too easy to find (not necessarily find, but look for) someone else.[/QUOTE]Most guys here would be very weary of any girl that refused to video chat if it was available. I'm thinking the girl just reacted the same way after she was suspicious of your reason for insisting on txt only.
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[QUOTE=Goferring;2248920]Most guys here would be very weary of any girl that refused to video chat if it was available. I'm thinking the girl just reacted the same way after she was suspicious of your reason for insisting on txt only.[/QUOTE]Or her texting skills couldn't keep up with a live type of chat. Might take her ten minutes to figure out how to text back a response.
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[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2246448]The height and weights are often a straight guess, many of them have no idea how tall or how much they weigh, never measured or stood on a scale..[/QUOTE]Nor do they know their cup sizes. I have been whatsapping an older Manila thrilla who thinks her boobs are 36 B when clearly her pictures display ample cleavage of at least a Dee. I shall have to do my own inspection and measurement to verify.
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[QUOTE=DCups;2249040]Nor do they know their cup sizes. I have been whatsapping an older Manila thrilla who thinks her boobs are 36 B when clearly her pictures display ample cleavage of at least a Dee. I shall have to do my own inspection and measurement to verify.[/QUOTE]Please keep us informed and provide the hands on measurement report with photographic documentation. .
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So I am working in a remote location and have had 2 x 2 day visits to Manila in the last month. I have looked at PL and DIA prior to travelling and organised some meeting prior to arrival with the expectation of using Wechat or Tinder as a backup.
First trip I met girl from PL on first night. She was 26 reasonable looks and skinny. Went for dinner as I was craving some Korean BBQ. She was a bit shy and after dinner went for walk. I was about to put her into a taxi and start on Wechat when she suggested to go back to hotel as traffic is bad and she wants to leave later. So went back to hotel, after 10 min started making out, Lots of foreplay, oral and then sex. Nice pussy nice and wet. Gave her 1000 taxi money.
Next night arranged to meet another from PL. When chatting she says she is a student and want to earn money from the meeting. She arrived straight to business. 23 yo reasonable looking. Mutual oral followed by sex. Paid 2500.
As I had spare time I got onto wechat and ordered a massage from a provider there. 2 hrs 800 peso. I told them just want good massage no extras required. Had a reasonable massage and gave her 1000.
Will conclude the second visit tomorrow.
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I did have one meeting with a PL girl but she did not appeal so after a coffee and cake I gave her taxi money and a goodbye.
I kept in touch with the meeting the 26 yo. She asked for some money so that she could go on the pill and buy a present for her mothers birthday. I sent her 2 k as I intended to see her again but told her there would be no more until we next met.
Started chatting with a 19 yo student from DIA before the next visit. She just wanted to be "friends". FYI I am 58. Asked her what she would like to do when I got to Manila and she said up to me. I said spend the day in bed and she said maybe. So I just went on tell discuss what we would be doing in bed, she just said I was naughty and should stop. I decided to allocate a night to her and she was yes I want to meet, oh I'm scared!. Eventually I promised to meet in a mall and give her taxi money which I would do anyway. So we met and I get a full on shy performance. We walked around a bit and then I said shall we go to the hotel where it is easier to talk. So we went to the hotel which was 5 min walk, had a drink there and she starts to relax. Doesn't want to kiss but doesn't mind me feeling around. Start rubbing her pussy and she moves herself to make it easier. Finally coax the cpants off but she jumped under the sheets before going full naked. Hot body, small slim and a pretty face. I got naked and joined her. Played with her pussy a while which was very wet then went down on her a while. She was getting hot grabbing my head and thrusting her pussy against my face. I went to mount her but she didn't want sex. I pretty much said if you don't want sex maybe you should leave because I was horny and I couldn't be held accountable for my actions if she stayed. After a few minutes she relented and I put the condom on and started off in missionary. Moved to doggy, very sexy with a nice firm small arse. I felt the sensations get much better and just managed to pull my cock out and come on her arse realising the condom had come off. She got a little panic but I assured her I didn't come inside. After a while we both fell asleep but she was pretty restless and kept rubbing her leg along my arse. I started playing with her and got in a spoon position. She was really horny and I was rubbing my cock along her arse and pussy. Eventually she angled herself so my cock would slide inside her. It felt heavenly, I was still playing with her and she was working her pussy up and down my cock until I felt her tense up as she came. I then gave her a good pounding until I came a short time later after pulling out and coming on her leg. Early in the morning she was getting horny again but didn't want sex as was a bit sore. I helped get off, gave her 2500 for taxi and if she wanted to take morning after pill. She is keeping in contact and I would like to see her again.
Second day met with the 26 yo. Had sex first up but she was a bit moody. After she was wondering where we were heading. I said at this stage I am there for only another 2 months and we will likely meet up a couple more times unless things change. I told her in the first place that I wasnt promising anything other than a take it as it goes. We then went to dinner. I had a bad headache and when we got back she gave me a head and lower back massage hat wasnt bad. I was pretty tired and wen to sleep. Next morning she woke me by grabbing my cock and getting me worked up. Had pretty good sex then we both had to get ready to leave. Gave her 3 k.
Had one other 19 yo student who wanted to meet from DIA. I passed as I had my 1 uncertain date and one certain date already booked. She was a backup but was professing wanting true love. She has contacted me a few times since and I explained I wasnt there for the long term and if she wants to meet I will see what I can organise for my next visit. She appears quite attractive and will keep as a backup.
Had a few other contacts that I didn't pursue but there is certainly some good opportunities here.
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[QUOTE=GDreams;2253157]So I am working in a remote location and have had 2 x 2 day visits to Manila in the last month. I have looked at PL and DIA prior to travelling and organised some meeting prior to arrival with the expectation of using Wechat or Tinder as a backup.
First trip I met girl from PL on first night. She was 26 reasonable looks and skinny. Went for dinner as I was craving some Korean BBQ. She was a bit shy and after dinner went for walk. I was about to put her into a taxi and start on Wechat when she suggested to go back to hotel as traffic is bad and she wants to leave later. So went back to hotel, after 10 min started making out, Lots of foreplay, oral and then sex. Nice pussy nice and wet. Gave her 1000 taxi money.
Next night arranged to meet another from PL. When chatting she says she is a student and want to earn money from the meeting. She arrived straight to business. 23 yo reasonable looking. Mutual oral followed by sex. Paid 2500.
As I had spare time I got onto wechat and ordered a massage from a provider there. 2 hrs 800 peso. I told them just want good massage no extras required. Had a reasonable massage and gave her 1000.
Will conclude the second visit tomorrow.[/QUOTE]Here is a link to the pic section, maybe our fellow monger can get you in contact.
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2446-Photo-Gallery&p=2251131&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2251131.
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Dia.
I was chatting with 2 girls on DIA. Both were very cute, 18, students and part-time models. One was from QC and the other from Cebu. They were looking for a foreigner boyfriend who could help with college tuition in exchange for fun dates. After a few messages back and forth, one revealed that she was really 17 and the other's FB profile confirmed she was also the same age. I told them politely that I could no longer chat with them and reported them to DIA. Be careful out there!
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[QUOTE=CaliScorpio;2253712]I was chatting with 2 girls on DIA. Both were very cute, 18, students and part-time models. One was from QC and the other from Cebu. They were looking for a foreigner boyfriend who could help with college tuition in exchange for fun dates. After a few messages back and forth, one revealed that she was really 17 and the other's FB profile confirmed she was also the same age. I told them politely that I could no longer chat with them and reported them to DIA. Be careful out there![/QUOTE]I have come across a couple similar situations. I wonder if this is a setup or entrapment. If there is a message trail showing that you knew the true age then more difficult to get out of it. I do as the OP did, break off contact immideately and report to the board.
I reported one this morning on Tinder. She showed up in the featured picks and stated right in her profile that she was 17 years old. (Profile age said 19, the other girls that have proven to be too young also posted a profile age of 19. That age is a slight red flag for me, never seen a girl who posted 18 years old in profile turn out to be less than that.).
Cops here do not know if you are connected back home. Can you get a politician to bring some pressure on Foreign Affairs or State Department from home to the local police? If you can perhaps the documentation that you knew what you were doing would make it go away. It also would provide some financial leverage on the "no receipt fine, paid cash on the spot" solution.
However I have not seen any actual first person reports of someone actually getting in police trouble for the 17 year olds. I would have thought that someone who had been caught in such a scam would provide a first person report, lots of friend of a friend heard from some guy reports. With the hundreds of guys who post here regularly or infrequently plus all the lurkers that read the site I would expect that if it happened with any regularity that someone would post a cautionary post here. (or on the other similar themed boards)
That said it always pays off to be diligent and cautious while mongering.
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[QUOTE=GDreams;2253387]gave her 2500 for taxi and if she wanted to take morning after pill. [/QUOTE]So they have those here now? A few months ago, a chick that I deal with in Manila was asking me to bring some from Thailand for her.
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[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2253754]
However I have not seen any actual first person reports of someone actually getting in police trouble for the 17 year olds. I would have thought that someone who had been caught in such a scam would provide a first person report, lots of friend of a friend heard from some guy reports. [/QUOTE]+1. I've never seen a guy unknowingly take a girl just South of 18 and be stung for that sole act by her friends or LE lying in wait.
I have seen it happen as revenge for other acts that the guy has previously done or when he is a habitual offender involving very young girls. In the later case he was blatantly flying well above the radar, obvious to all and a repeat offender. Worryingly it was the parents who instigated his downfall only when the cash flow was redirected elsewhere.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2246503]Yesterday I started talking to a chick in Panama on Cupid. We went to whatsapp. First thing she did was send a voice message. I said write please. She said why don't you listen? I said I am in public. She cursed me out and blocked me. Weird! And that kind of shit happens all the time because it is too easy to find (not necessarily find, but look for) someone else.[/QUOTE]For some girls they use it as their own filter.
Cannot talk, means he is with a significant other.
I know one non-pro girl operating in AC that operates very thoroughly, the way we all should. Any planned meeting has to be arranged through video chat, she gets to see that the guy is in AC and his pics are real. She will fuck anyone, just wants the guys to be legitimate.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2253793]So they have those here now? A few months ago, a chick that I deal with in Manila was asking me to bring some from Thailand for her.[/QUOTE]I must admit to being ignorant but in a subsequent conversation I got a comment of I hope I don't get pregnant so the money was pocketed.
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[QUOTE=GDreams;2253891]I must admit to being ignorant but in a subsequent conversation I got a comment of I hope I don't get pregnant so the money was pocketed.[/QUOTE]Well even in Thailand the morning after pill is less than US $2. You gave her $47.
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Tinder
I guess the saga has spilled over to Tinder. I tried to hop on it before my university professor got here (met her on the app as well.) I have't been able to log on and it kept giving me an error code. I finally looked the code up and it meant that I have been banned. I have not even been on Tinder in a while and have not changed my pictures in years. I wrote to them asking why I was banned and they basically said fuck you.
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[QUOTE=CaliScorpio;2253712]I was chatting with 2 girls on DIA. Both were very cute, 18, students and part-time models. One was from QC and the other from Cebu. They were looking for a foreigner boyfriend who could help with college tuition in exchange for fun dates. After a few messages back and forth, one revealed that she was really 17 and the other's FB profile confirmed she was also the same age. I told them politely that I could no longer chat with them and reported them to DIA. Be careful out there![/QUOTE]Anyone ever notice the girls on PinaLove that says today is their birthday and they are still listed as being 18?
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[QUOTE=BrainDrain;2253825]For some girls they use it as their own filter.
Cannot talk, means he is with a significant other.
I know one non-pro girl operating in AC that operates very thoroughly, the way we all should. Any planned meeting has to be arranged through video chat, she gets to see that the guy is in AC and his pics are real. She will fuck anyone, just wants the guys to be legitimate.[/QUOTE]I also know a girl who prefers to go with white guys but has had several meeting with guys who were white Euro or Americans in writing only to morph into other nationalities in person.
Refusing to vid-chat with her would be a trigger point likely to derail any meet up.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2254032]Well even in Thailand the morning after pill is less than US $2. You gave her $47.[/QUOTE]What's the name of the pill and does it have the same ingredient as Plan be? I'm planning to stock up on "My Way" from Amazon at $10/ pill but if the Thai version is the same thing, I'll buy that.
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Too good to be true,
[URL]https://www.pinalove.com/photo.php?u=brillantesmika2018&picid=3941951[/URL]
Looks like hacked pics from a model web page
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[QUOTE=Member#1088;2254295][URL]https://www.pinalove.com/photo.php?u=brillantesmika2018&picid=3941951[/URL]
Looks like hacked pics from a model web page[/QUOTE]It wouldn't show me the profile, I have blocked ladyboys.
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[QUOTE=GDreams;2254388]It wouldn't show me the profile, I have blocked ladyboys.[/QUOTE]I think she got too many messags and change the gender to ladyboy, she was not ladyboy before, but now she is.
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[QUOTE=Member#1088;2254528]I think she got too many messags and change the gender to ladyboy, she was not ladyboy before, but now she is.[/QUOTE]Here is the pic I saw.
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[QUOTE=CaliScorpio;2253712]I was chatting with 2 girls on DIA. Both were very cute, 18, students and part-time models. One was from QC and the other from Cebu. They were looking for a foreigner boyfriend who could help with college tuition in exchange for fun dates. After a few messages back and forth, one revealed that she was really 17 and the other's FB profile confirmed she was also the same age. I told them politely that I could no longer chat with them and reported them to DIA. Be careful out there![/QUOTE]My GF for now put her age in DIA as 23. When I checked her I. D. she was 18 , thank goodness. I asked her why she put her age older. Somebody told her foreign guys like older girls.
Another time one older girl came to my hotel room with a younger girl. Initially she said she is 18 but later she said she is only 17. I kicked both of them out. Later the older girl messaged me saying she wanted me to have fun with two girls and insisted she was not trying to cause me trouble. Plan was for the older girl to come alone. No money was discussed before.
Nowadays I always check I. D. And not believe what they say.
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Good point.
Hi Sammon,
I have been having more success with DIA with 20 years Olds. So your advice comes in handy.
For some unknown reason, I don't have as much +ve response on PL.
Vic.
[QUOTE=Sammon;2254624]My GF for now put her age in DIA as 23. When I checked her I. D. she was 18 , thank goodness. I asked her why she put her age older. Somebody told her foreign guys like older girls.
Another time one older girl came to my hotel room with a younger girl. Initially she said she is 18 but later she said she is only 17. I kicked both of them out. Later the older girl messaged me saying she wanted me to have fun with two girls and insisted she was not trying to cause me trouble. Plan was for the older girl to come alone. No money was discussed before.
Nowadays I always check I. D. And not believe what they say.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=VictorHugo99;2254687]Hi Sammon,
I have been having more success with DIA with 20 years Olds. So your advice comes in handy.
For some unknown reason, I don't have as much +ve response on PL.
Vic.[/QUOTE]Have DIA settled down in regards to banning members or are they still keyword nazis?
I'm tempted to join again but not if I'm just going to get banned again.
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[QUOTE=Goferring;2254805]Have DIA settled down in regards to banning members or are they still keyword nazis?
I'm tempted to join again but not if I'm just going to get banned again.[/QUOTE]I had been banned few times before. Couple of years ago I signed up in Manila showing my local number. Since then I have not been banned even though I messaged about sex, money to girls, nasty to obvious ladyboys and couple of back and forth rants with some girls who pretended to be totally religious and against meeting for sex in spite of one girl already having a baby. They were lecturing me why I want sex if we stay together. I guess holding hands only sleeping next to each other. LOL. One wanted her aunt to stay with us because she was scared. Did not know if the aunt was ok to have sex with us.
DIA maybe moderating itself, but I think they also look at your locations. Since more than 80 percent are from Philippines maybe if you enroll in Philippines you are immune.
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[QUOTE=Sammon;2254880]I had been banned few times before. Couple of years ago I signed up in Manila showing my local number. Since then I have not been banned even though I messaged about sex, money to girls, nasty to obvious ladyboys and couple of back and forth rants with some girls who pretended to be totally religious and against meeting for sex in spite of one girl already having a baby. They were lecturing me why I want sex if we stay together. I guess holding hands only sleeping next to each other. LOL. One wanted her aunt to stay with us because she was scared. Did not know if the aunt was ok to have sex with us.
DIA maybe moderating itself, but I think they also look at your locations. Since more than 80 percent are from Philippines maybe if you enroll in Philippines you are immune.[/QUOTE]Hum. I can get a pinoy number, but how do I fake the IP so it is from there, is there a VPN that provides that?
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[QUOTE=Member#1088;2254921]Hum. I can get a pinoy number, but how do I fake the IP so it is from there, is there a VPN that provides that?[/QUOTE]You can use a Internet cafe and try. I have three phones. Two I exclusively use in other countries.
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[QUOTE=Member#1088;2254921]Hum. I can get a pinoy number, but how do I fake the IP so it is from there, is there a VPN that provides that?[/QUOTE]I know one that doesn't work. I had a NordVPN and it didn't have any PH IPs.
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[QUOTE=Sammon;2254880]DIA maybe moderating itself, but I think they also look at your locations. Since more than 80 percent are from Philippines maybe if you enroll in Philippines you are immune.[/QUOTE]I doubt your location determines whether you get banned or not. Maybe you've been lucky! I've been on DIA for more than 5 years and don't partake with any explicit chatting because I don't want to get banned. IMO, if the girl is interested in meeting up, I ask for her Viber or FB account and continue the chatting there. Since DIA is free the cute girls get bombarded with messages so it's difficult to have any meaningful chat on there.
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Trying to contribute.
Hi Sammon,
I have several voiP numbers, around 5 numbers on 2 phones. (not giving anymore details) I find these services useful as the origin of these numbers can only be traced to WWW.
Hope it helps.
Vic.
[QUOTE=Sammon;2255057]You can use a Internet cafe and try. I have three phones. Two I exclusively use in other countries.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=CaliScorpio;2255126]I doubt your location determines whether you get banned or not. Maybe you've been lucky! I've been on DIA for more than 5 years and don't partake with any explicit chatting because I don't want to get banned. IMO, if the girl is interested in meeting up, I ask for her Viber or FB account and continue the chatting there. Since DIA is free the cute girls get bombarded with messages so it's difficult to have any meaningful chat on there.[/QUOTE]No such luck for me, I never talk bad in DIA and still get rejected. They get their income from traffic, so I know why they will ban guys.
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[QUOTE=CaliScorpio;2255126]I doubt your location determines whether you get banned or not. Maybe you've been lucky! I've been on DIA for more than 5 years and don't partake with any explicit chatting because I don't want to get banned. IMO, if the girl is interested in meeting up, I ask for her Viber or FB account and continue the chatting there. Since DIA is free the cute girls get bombarded with messages so it's difficult to have any meaningful chat on there.[/QUOTE]I too was banned last year after I used some explicit language on a lady boy posing as a girl for scamming for money. I opened a new account and now I am very careful as to what I type and we switch to texting after initial interest is shown. Yes apparently girls do get bombarded, One older not particularly cute girl told me she has 300 incoming messages in que from guys. Lots of guys and girls just want to chat and not ever meet. Hence the girls comment "Only serious" means they want to meet.
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Think about the situation of someone caught with 17 year old Or whatever. Then consider whether posting a warning online is top of his agenda.
[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2253754]
However I have not seen any actual first person reports of someone actually getting in police trouble for the 17 year olds. I would have thought that someone who had been caught in such a scam would provide a first person report, lots of friend of a friend heard from some guy reports. With the hundreds of guys who post here regularly or infrequently plus all the lurkers that read the site I would expect that if it happened with any regularity that someone would post a cautionary post here. (or on the other similar themed boards)
That said it always pays off to be diligent and cautious while mongering.[/QUOTE]
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From the lock up.
[QUOTE=Cbea20;2255715]Think about the situation of someone caught with 17 year old Or whatever. Then consider whether posting a warning online is top of his agenda.[/QUOTE]Great point! Of all the mongers who went on to make the local news at their mongering destination, none of them ever logged back on to report how it went. To the contrary, they always vanish from the monger websites without further comment. It is fair to say that updating fellow mongers on how they ended up as involuntary long-stay guests of the authorities is not on their list of priorities. Even those who narrowly escape on the first flight smoking out of the country opt to say very little on the matter and disappear. When a monger gets pinched, it often shows up on the local news first, and confirmation follows from his associates.
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Chat rooms.
This morning I asked a gal about her weekend. She replies that she is working. I follow up by asking what her job is.
I get her reply six hours later: "I'm jobless."
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AC Twins.
This may be a long shot but. About 3-4 years ago I befriended a girl from AC on DIA. She was a student and freelanced to help pay for her expenses. After a few chats, we agreed to meet up when I came out and to my surprise, she also mentioned that she has a twin sister that would also be interested. I met both at Kokomos and then went back to my hotel and for a fun threesome! (checked off my bucket list! It was obvious that it wasn't their first time doing this. I added both to my FB and messaged them before my last trip and we hooked up again. They've been active on FB but went off the grid a few months ago. One has deleted her profile and the other hasn't posted any new pics. My guess is they both found wealthy sponsors so they stopped freelancing or being careful about who they hook up with.
If anyone knows who I'm referring to and know what happened to them, let me know what their status is. Thanks!
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Mega Stings.
I have come across several of these stings and there are a bunch of dangerous do gooders hoping to set you up. One "innocent" hooker I'd been bonking in Pampanga met a punter who fell for it (she tried to proposition him but then asked him why he was so sad and hostile: the reason was the cops and their young associate had cleaned him out).
I was on one of these hook up websites and was telling the babes I was soon to be in Pampanga. One young woman was selling me a crock, telling me she and her [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord903][CodeWord903][/url] very young sister would move in with me, do 3 somes with me and stay in their room if I had guests. She kept insisting to send me pictures of her and her sister. I did not hang around to get the pictures but deleted my account immediately as it had sting all over it. Though I still haven't figured out the exact sting, I have no doubt the intention was to smoke me one way or the other.
Say what you like but we are in hostile country in the Philippines every time we monger. Many of these folk do each other over all the time and the jungle is not a place for bleeding hearts.
If you go anywhere near the homeless in the Philippines, you are on very thin ice and no one will have any sympathy for you. Unless you are Jesus and can walk on water, run Forest run. Don't even think about going there but gtf out.
BTW, if you happen to be convicted, then you are fked as new rules apply.
[QUOTE=Goferring;2253812]+1. I've never seen a guy unknowingly take a girl just South of 18 and be stung for that sole act by her friends or LE lying in wait.
I have seen it happen as revenge for other acts that the guy has previously done or when he is a habitual offender involving very young girls. In the later case he was blatantly flying well above the radar, obvious to all and a repeat offender. Worryingly it was the parents who instigated his downfall only when the cash flow was redirected elsewhere.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2253754]I have come across a couple similar situations. I wonder if this is a setup or entrapment. If there is a message trail showing that you knew the true age then more difficult to get out of it. I do as the OP did, break off contact immideately and report to the board.
I reported one this morning on Tinder. She showed up in the featured picks and stated right in her profile that she was 17 years old. (Profile age said 19, the other girls that have proven to be too young also posted a profile age of 19. That age is a slight red flag for me, never seen a girl who posted 18 years old in profile turn out to be less than that.)..[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Cbea20;2255715]Think about the situation of someone caught with 17 year old Or whatever. Then consider whether posting a warning online is top of his agenda.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2255730]Great point! Of all the mongers who went on to make the local news at their mongering destination, none of them ever logged back on to report how it went. To the contrary, they always vanish from the monger websites without further comment. It is fair to say that updating fellow mongers on how they ended up as involuntary long-stay guests of the authorities is not on their list of priorities. Even those who narrowly escape on the first flight smoking out of the country opt to say very little on the matter and disappear. When a monger gets pinched, it often shows up on the local news first, and confirmation follows from his associates.[/QUOTE]
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Funny.
Hi Xman,
Thank you for relating.
I do hope the "students" on DIA are real ones, but I guess that's the fun of chatting and discovery.
I have been connecting with DIA girls for some time. I confirm that after a preliminary chit chat, I normally get messages on troubles / joblessness / children going to hospital / etc.
I hope that they become more creative than that.
Vic.
[QUOTE=XMan;2256141]This morning I asked a gal about her weekend. She replies that she is working. I follow up by asking what her job is.
I get her reply six hours later: "I'm jobless."[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=CaliScorpio;2256226]My guess is they both found wealthy sponsors so they stopped freelancing or being careful about who they hook up with.
If anyone knows who I'm referring to and know what happened to them, let me know what their status is. Thanks![/QUOTE]Why do you guys always assume things are about money? If a girl disappears then why does it have to be because someone rich came along? This ain't Pretty Woman. Ain't no rich guys hanging around third world shitholes looking for hookers to give a better life to. I know tons of chicks that are not around somewhere anymore. That is not saying someone rich came and swept them up. Sometimes mfs just get tired and go back home. Free chicks and paid chicks come and go. That is why you enjoy them while they are around.
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Not Chasing
I for one do not chase anybody. Find, fuck and keep for sometime is my goal. Fortunately there is no shortage of girls in any country if you are willing to part money. Even with non hooker DIA girls plan is the same. They also change numbers, vanish of the face of earth sometimes. I remember a very pretty 18 year old Chinese girl I was with almost 3 years who I took everywhere. All of a sudden cannot get in touch with her. Do not know what happened. Called her friend to find out. She said she also lost contact. Maybe she did not want to tell me. Anyway probably she wised up knowing there is no future with me. Although I missed her a lot in the beginning there is always others who will take her place.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2256343]Why do you guys always assume things are about money? If a girl disappears then why does it have to be because someone rich came along? This ain't Pretty Woman. Ain't no rich guys hanging around third world shitholes looking for hookers to give a better life to. I know tons of chicks that are not around somewhere anymore. That is not saying someone rich came and swept them up. Sometimes mfs just get tired and go back home. Free chicks and paid chicks come and go. That is why you enjoy them while they are around.[/QUOTE]I'd agree 90% of the time but ain't or never are strong words.
Lots of guys have married girls to be the saviour. I dated a bargirl for a while who got "saved" after we went on a holiday for a couple of weeks. Some idiot got jealous, married her and whisked her away to Vietnam to live happily ever after. Damn shame because it was fun while it lasted.
Also, of the girls that say they have seen the light and are returning home, many pop up again in a different city once money becomes tight or family need $$$s. Bar life is a hard drug to kick.
Enjoy, G.
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[QUOTE=VictorHugo99;2256307]Hi Xman,
Thank you for relating.
I do hope the "students" on DIA are real ones, but I guess that's the fun of chatting and discovery.
I have been connecting with DIA girls for some time. I confirm that after a preliminary chit chat, I normally get messages on troubles / joblessness / children going to hospital / etc.
I hope that they become more creative than that.
Vic.[/QUOTE]More power to the guys that are keeping their DIA active. However, I just renewed mine after being banned. New username, new email, new password, new phone (I think). It lasted 12 hours before I was banned again without sending a single message.
Clearly I'm doing something wrong but I don't care. PL and FC are just too easy to root around with VPN s etc.
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[QUOTE=Goferring;2256522]More power to the guys that are keeping their DIA active. However, I just renewed mine after being banned. New username, new email, new password, new phone (I think). It lasted 12 hours before I was banned again without sending a single message.
Clearly I'm doing something wrong but I don't care. PL and FC are just too easy to root around with VPN s etc.[/QUOTE]Seems like they recorded your IP address when you initially registered so even if you change your email address and phone number, they know it's still you. Using VPN would mask your IP address so that should work!
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Photo + Tinder.
[QUOTE=CaliScorpio;2256644]Seems like they recorded your IP address when you initially registered so even if you change your email address and phone number, they know it's still you. Using VPN would mask your IP address so that should work![/QUOTE]Your photo might also be in their data base. They sure go to a lot of trouble.
Here is a question. Let's assume they want to keep undesirables out and I have met quite a few hookers on it. Who do they expect to get on it? I imagine less than 10% on guys on it are really looking for The Virgin Mary on it and she sure didn't hang around no brothel or dating app.
I went on Tinder recently and reckon that is largely a scam too. Besides those trying to scam me, I reckon the company were as they kept flooding me with compatibles near to me. But those compatibles lacked bios or, when they had them, suggested they were thousands of miles away.
Fact is, as you ease into the silver generation or Bald Eagle generation, only the Medusas will go for you and even they will probably give you a miss. Best to pay a provider to grease your love toy and be done with it.
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[QUOTE=CaliScorpio;2256644]Seems like they recorded your IP address when you initially registered so even if you change your email address and phone number, they know it's still you. Using VPN would mask your IP address so that should work![/QUOTE]Could they be tattooing something in the register?
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[QUOTE=CaliScorpio;2256644]Seems like they recorded your IP address when you initially registered so even if you change your email address and phone number, they know it's still you. Using VPN would mask your IP address so that should work![/QUOTE]Just so I'm clear are IPs issued to the place of connection or the device? If I use a VPN does it mask both?
Cheers. G.
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[QUOTE=Goferring;2256845]Just so I'm clear are IPs issued to the place of connection or the device? If I use a VPN does it mask both?[/QUOTE]They get the digits of your hardware somehow. Even changing the IP address on your device sometimes won't work when making a new account. Some systems can detect a VPN upon either your login at the credentials level, or the signup level, and will stop you from moving forward (you get a VPN warning from them to turn it off). Some banks and dating websites have this to protect their customers. A better bet is to get a new Phils Globe or Smart card into your phone with a small load on it, then use an internet cafe to create a new account, using your new SIM card to authenticate the new account.
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[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2256702]Your photo might also be in their data base. They sure go to a lot of trouble.
Here is a question. Let's assume they want to keep undesirables out and I have met quite a few hookers on it. Who do they expect to get on it? I imagine less than 10% on guys on it are really looking for The Virgin Mary on it and she sure didn't hang around no brothel or dating app.
I went on Tinder recently and reckon that is largely a scam too. Besides those trying to scam me, I reckon the company were as they kept flooding me with compatibles near to me. But those compatibles lacked bios or, when they had them, suggested they were thousands of miles away.
Fact is, as you ease into the silver generation or Bald Eagle generation, only the Medusas will go for you and even they will probably give you a miss. Best to pay a provider to grease your love toy and be done with it.[/QUOTE]I would add that this is also the best strategy for young studs who are just looking to fill some sexy Magdalena with their one-eyed snake venom, and scoot back to the comfort of the West without acquiring any long-term parasites before they know what hit them.
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WeChat
Why is my WeChat send button missing?
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2257095]Why is my WeChat send button missing?[/QUOTE]I've used WeChat for several years and never seen that issue before. Does it happen for every contact? It might be something specific to your phone so just re-install was the app.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2257095]Why is my WeChat send button missing?[/QUOTE]Check you internet speed. The send button will not be visible after you sent the text. Once you write the msg, the button is there.
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[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2256878]They get the digits of your hardware somehow. Even changing the IP address on your device sometimes won't work when making a new account. Some systems can detect a VPN upon either your login at the credentials level, or the signup level, and will stop you from moving forward (you get a VPN warning from them to turn it off). Some banks and dating websites have this to protect their customers. A better bet is to get a new Phils Globe or Smart card into your phone with a small load on it, then use an internet cafe to create a new account, using your new SIM card to authenticate the new account.[/QUOTE]But as soon as he logs in to his new account, that he created in an internet cafe, from his own computer or phone they will recognize him again I think.
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[QUOTE=Mogwai;2257370]But as soon as he logs in to his new account, that he created in an internet cafe, from his own computer or phone they will recognize him again I think.[/QUOTE]I wonder if they can check how old the email is, and then can tell by that.
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[QUOTE=Member#1088;2257615]I wonder if they can check how old the email is, and then can tell by that.[/QUOTE]Mogwai's point is valid. When you register, DIA probably records your IP address and email address and if you get banned, they blacklist both. As long as you create a new account with a different email address and using VPN or a from a different network and never login from the one that was blacklisted, you should be good.
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[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2256878]They get the digits of your hardware somehow. Even changing the IP address on your device sometimes won't work when making a new account. Some systems can detect a VPN upon either your login at the credentials level, or the signup level, and will stop you from moving forward (you get a VPN warning from them to turn it off). Some banks and dating websites have this to protect their customers. A better bet is to get a new Phils Globe or Smart card into your phone with a small load on it, then use an internet cafe to create a new account, using your new SIM card to authenticate the new account.[/QUOTE]This is exactly what I did after I was locked in and out few times. Had a new phone. Got the SIM card in Philippines. Opened an account at the Internet cafe and got the authentication on my phone. It registered me as having Local address as location. Since then I had no problems. I regularly log in from my own I phone, I pad, laptop etc and had not been locked out. Only thing is my location shows as being Manila. It helps me somewhat to connect with the girls. They are ready to meet me right away. I give some story as I am away at the moment to take care of business. Even the girls not from Manila are receptive thinking I can easily fly and meet them. Money demands has also dropped because I have become a local and girls think I will not send money.
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[QUOTE=Sammon;2257653]This is exactly what I did after I was locked in and out few times. Had a new phone. Got the SIM card in Philippines. Opened an account at the Internet cafe and got the authentication on my phone. It registered me as having Local address as location. Since then I had no problems. I regularly log in from my own I phone, I pad, laptop etc and had not been locked out. Only thing is my location shows as being Manila. It helps me somewhat to connect with the girls. They are ready to meet me right away. I give some story as I am away at the moment to take care of business. Even the girls not from Manila are receptive thinking I can easily fly and meet them. Money demands has also dropped because I have become a local and girls think I will not send money.[/QUOTE]But how you fake the IP from manila? I can get a free phillipine number virtual.
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[QUOTE=Sammon;2257653]This is exactly what I did after I was locked in and out few times.[/QUOTE]Thanks for all the tips guys. I'll give them a try when I'm in PI in a couple of weeks. Of it all gets too hard, FilCupid and PinaLove are still like shooting fish in a barrel.
Thanks again, G.
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[QUOTE=Goferring;2257715]Thanks for all the tips guys. I'll give them a try when I'm in PI in a couple of weeks. Of it all gets too hard, FilCupid and PinaLove are still like shooting fish in a barrel.
Thanks again, G.[/QUOTE]How the trip is going? Anything to report from findings in the chat sites? Any photographic documentation you could share?
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[QUOTE=Member#1088;2261347]How the trip is going? Anything to report from findings in the chat sites? Any photographic documentation you could share?[/QUOTE]The same as every other trip: I've been banned from DIA again and PL and FC are providing so many options that it's not worth trying new IP addresses, different computers etc.
Full reports to come but sorry, I don't do photos.
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Huh?
Chick from Tinder last night was trying to solicit something to me that I did not comprehend. Can anyone explain? It is like a damn riddle. We will do everything, but we will do nothing.
I thought the coworker was a girl, but she said no bisexual. Then I thought her coworker was a guy, but she said no dicks. Maybe she is her own coworker and was only planning on me watching her play with herself or eat herself out?
12/15, 12:20 AM Darla 29 MNL: Well me and my co worker would like to try some wild things for the first time, oral threesome like playing each other orally all naked. We can do anything just NO SEX ALLOWED. Since this would be our first time game?
[12/15, 12:21 AM Darla 29 MNL: No bisexuals.
[12/15, 12:23 AM Darla 29 MNL: And you can do oral with us as well.
[12/15, 12:23 AM Darla 29 MNL: Anything experemwnations and etc.
[12/15, 12:24 AM Darla 29 MNL: One rule is that no pene or sex allowed.
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If anyone needs to have a goal dug, let me know and I will put you in touch.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2261535]Chick from Tinder last night was trying to solicit something to me that I did not comprehend. Can anyone explain? It is like a damn riddle. We will do everything, but we will do nothing.
I thought the coworker was a girl, but she said no bisexual. Then I thought her coworker was a guy, but she said no dicks. Maybe she is her own coworker and was only planning on me watching her play with herself or eat herself out?
12/15, 12:20 AM Darla 29 MNL: Well me and my co worker would like to try some wild things for the first time, oral threesome like playing each other orally all naked. We can do anything just NO SEX ALLOWED. Since this would be our first time game?
12/15, 12:21 AM Darla 29 MNL: No bisexuals.
12/15, 12:23 AM Darla 29 MNL: And you can do oral with us as well.
12/15, 12:23 AM Darla 29 MNL: Anything experemwnations and etc.
12/15, 12:24 AM Darla 29 MNL: One rule is that no pene or sex allowed.[/QUOTE]She is saying that the girls don't want you to penetrate them with your dick. Oral is on the table for all parties.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2261535]Chick from Tinder last night was trying to solicit something to me that I did not comprehend. Can anyone explain? It is like a damn riddle. We will do everything, but we will do nothing.
[/QUOTE]Visual prompting can be essential when learning a new language.
Just tell her you have no idea what she is taking about but bring her friend around and show you what she wants. I'm sure you are a quick learner. 👍 😁.
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[QUOTE=Goferring;2261628]Visual prompting can be essential when learning a new language.
Just tell her you have no idea what she is taking about but bring her friend around and show you what she wants. I'm sure you are a quick learner. 👍 😁.[/QUOTE]Just let them come over, and just tell you going only to rub it outside, and OPPS, it slip in, sorry, so to be fair, I would have to also slip into your other friend so is fair for both LOL LOL.
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[QUOTE=Member#1088;2261900]Just let them come over, and just tell you going only to rub it outside, and OPPS, it slip in, sorry, so to be fair, I would have to also slip into your other friend so is fair for both LOL LOL.[/QUOTE]Hahaha.
"I swear it was only my finger. Honest Miss".
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[QUOTE=Goferring;2261955]Hahaha.
"I swear it was only my finger. Honest Miss".[/QUOTE]OMG, then why does it feels like 3 big fat fingers, are you sure is just your one skiny finger, she asks, hahahah.
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[QUOTE=Member#1088;2262277]OMG, then why does it feels like 3 big fat fingers, are you sure is just your one skiny finger, she asks, hahahah.[/QUOTE]Andre the Giant in disguise?
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[QUOTE=Goferring;2262280]Andre the Giant in disguise?[/QUOTE]Hahhahaha.
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[QUOTE=Goferring;2262280]Andre the Giant in disguise?[/QUOTE]The opposite of Donald Trump?
Oops.
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[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2262311]The opposite of Donald Trump?
Oops.[/QUOTE]Now you have done it: 6 pages of libtard vs fascist comments to come. Followed by "Off Topic" nazis. LOL.
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What is IMO?
A couple of girls say they do not have Viber and the usual Apps but do have "IMO".
I've never heard of it but when I downloaded it I noted a couple of negative comments about not being able to send "diamonds" which I assume are some sort of digital transfer.
Does anyone have any experience with it? If I activate it, am I going to get an endless stream of requests to transfer digital funds within the App?
Enjoy, G.
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[QUOTE=Goferring;2262401]A couple of girls say they do not have Viber and the usual Apps but do have "IMO"..[/QUOTE]I have used and still have IMO. Initially introduced by a Filipino that was in middle east. Was good for video chat and messages. The messages are "live" so each person sees as the other is typing letter by letter.
No problems with it.
BD.
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[QUOTE=Goferring;2262401]A couple of girls say they do not have Viber and the usual Apps but do have "IMO".
I've never heard of it but when I downloaded it I noted a couple of negative comments about not being able to send "diamonds" which I assume are some sort of digital transfer.
Does anyone have any experience with it? If I activate it, am I going to get an endless stream of requests to transfer digital funds within the App?
Enjoy, G.[/QUOTE]I use IMO and also Telegram. IMO I also use for calls when WhatsApp is not working. Is OK same as the apps you mentioned. Not sure why they have it but they do so I do.
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[QUOTE=Goferring;2262401]A couple of girls say they do not have Viber and the usual Apps but do have "IMO".
I've never heard of it but when I downloaded it I noted a couple of negative comments about not being able to send "diamonds" which I assume are some sort of digital transfer.
Does anyone have any experience with it? If I activate it, am I going to get an endless stream of requests to transfer digital funds within the App?
Enjoy, G.[/QUOTE]I downloaded it and have used it. Haven't been asked for anything, just used as a messenger. The on peculiarity is when typing the person at the other end can see the message as it is typed so if you change your mind they can see what was written previously.
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[QUOTE=Goferring;2262401]A couple of girls say they do not have Viber and the usual Apps but do have "IMO".
I've never heard of it but when I downloaded it I noted a couple of negative comments about not being able to send "diamonds" which I assume are some sort of digital transfer.
Does anyone have any experience with it? If I activate it, am I going to get an endless stream of requests to transfer digital funds within the App?[/QUOTE]How do these people get stuck in the stone age like that? They use shit that nobody else uses. IMO is like having a 360KB 5 1/4 floppy disk instead of a 32GB thumb drive.
Damn near 20 years ago IMO was a thing. This was like before cell phones were widely used. There were different messenger programs such as AOL, Yahoo, MSN, etc on your computer, and with IMO you could combine them all so you would not have to be chatting to your friends through 10 different programs on your desktop. So I guess it was kind of like a switchboard routing all of the accounts you had from different messenger programs through that one program. These days I don't think AOL Messenger, Yahoo Messenger, MSN Messenger even exist, but folks in the PI are still using the obscure IMO. Has anyone outside of PI ever asked if you have Viber?
P.S. I have no idea wtf a diamond is. I hate that they even came up with those emoticon things. Bich send me words, not animations. Making people even "more" dumber. Went from cave drawings, to having elaborate languages, back to fucking pictographs. Go figure.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2262528].......... These days I don't think AOL Messenger, Yahoo Messenger, MSN Messenger even exist, but folks in the PI are still using the obscure IMO. Has anyone outside of PI ever asked if you have Viber?
P.S. I have no idea wtf a diamond is. I hate that they even came up with those emoticon things. Bich send me words, not animations. Making people even "more" dumber. Went from cave drawings, to having elaborate languages, back to fucking pictographs. Go figure.[/QUOTE]Due respect I would say I have different experiences with your opinion.
In the age of yahoo or MSN messenger still the Skype was operating so loud. Skype was used for business and for personal purpose too as well as we mongers entertained a lot. The girls I chatted with on those days, we used to jump on yahoo to Skype frequently. But that was the days of using computer or laptop not the Android. After the Smart Phone entered in the market the computer entered in our pocket and the using of skype deteriorating deadly. These days very few I found using Skype. But the IMO raised in high rate and for Philippine, it is the most. There are some reason why IMO is highly used in Philippine even it is kicking off the whatsapps too.
1. Providing good bandwidth, so always serves better for uploading or downloading pics / vdo. Clear pic and sound in vdo call. Where as Skype serving poorer than IMO.
2. FB, Skype or other apps are restricted or banned in middle east so IMO taken the place. Highly used by the sex starving boys living and working in middle east. They live with IMO for their cam sex and naughty things; became infectious and spreading in high speed.
3. At least one or more member of every family in Philippine working abroad specially Middle East. These days they highly depending on IMO for communicating with their family and obviously for fun too.
In China opening Skype new account, not possible any more being banned by the govt. Those Skype accounts are still using in China was made before the restriction applied. But user friendly IMO already entered in China and kicking so loud. Now Skype is working hard to come back in business, upgrading the technical viability, trying to be user friendly. But still occupying large amount of memory bank of the android, where as IMO is few. Over all everything goes in favor of IMO, rather it is surprising if some one say they don't know IMO.
Happy hunting.
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From a girl in pinalove
Nice to meet you too. Yes still avaible. Their is two boys pretending that they like me and falling in love with me but after a month they said that he give me a gift then he send it to my hometown but the cargo ship asking 20,000 for admon fee? I'm not stupid to follow them I know it's scam. And I'm also stupid to trust them.
I didn't know these ladies were taken not just their bodies but also their money.
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[QUOTE=Member#1088;2263149]Nice to meet you too. Yes still avaible. Their is two boys pretending that they like me and falling in love with me but after a month they said that he give me a gift then he send it to my hometown but the cargo ship asking 20,000 for admon fee? I'm not stupid to follow them I know it's scam. And I'm also stupid to trust them.
I didn't know these ladies were taken not just their bodies but also their money.[/QUOTE]You better fucking believe it. Nigerians don't care who they scam. A chick I started messing with in Peru fell for it with the laat dude she met online. He buttered her up saying they would get married and get a house together in Lima. He told her he needed $500 to send his luggage there. She sent the money.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2263203]You better fucking believe it. Nigerians don't care who they scam. A chick I started messing with in Peru fell for it with the laat dude she met online. He buttered her up saying they would get married and get a house together in Lima. He told her he needed $500 to send his luggage there. She sent the money.[/QUOTE]That's sad, very sad. At least us, we provide help and also happiness.
Is it my imagination or they are more now in PL, very activate. Maybe because Christmas?
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[QUOTE=Member#1088;2263231]That's sad, very sad. At least us, we provide help and also happiness.
Is it my imagination or they are more now in PL, very activate. Maybe because Christmas?[/QUOTE]Do you mean the girls or the scammers? If you mean the girls they are likely more active because they need money for the Christmas gifts.
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[QUOTE=Mogwai;2263298]Do you mean the girls or the scammers? If you mean the girls they are likely more active because they need money for the Christmas gifts.[/QUOTE]I noticed this also. They need money for Christmas. Girls I had in AC are contacting NE now with different sad Stories and they Desperately need money.
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[QUOTE=Mogwai;2263298]Do you mean the girls or the scammers? If you mean the girls they are likely more active because they need money for the Christmas gifts.[/QUOTE]Availability is certainly seasonal. Last time I was in cebu it was exam season and raining opportunities.
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[QUOTE=Goferring;2263308]Availability is certainly seasonal. Last time I was in cebu it was exam season and raining opportunities.[/QUOTE]When is ussully exam season? Will try to coordinate the trip around those dates.
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[QUOTE=Member#1088;2263383]When is ussully exam season? Will try to coordinate the trip around those dates.[/QUOTE]Depends on the course but generally now and March / April.
Cheers, G.
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[QUOTE=Goferring;2263389]Depends on the course but generally now and March / April.
Cheers, G.[/QUOTE]Be aware though that the week before Easter (April 21) is holy week. The whole country basically comes to a standstill then.
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More pleas for financial aid. I've told this girl before that I can only help her when she is in my hotel room, but she’s not taking no for an answer. Only one way to fix this. Delete and block.
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Fc
I'm a newbie to internet dating, so out of curiosity I downloaded the FC app and filled out the profile. I used my real pic, but dialled down my age a bit. I didn't want people to think I use a Zimmer frame. I then forgot about it and went about by normal business.
24-hours later, I had 220 messages in my mail box from chicks. I'm thinking what the hell is this all about and how could I possibly go through this rubbish? I also read on this forum that some members advise not to go on FC and PL until about 2 weeks before your trip otherwise the chicks lose interest. Next time I will limit my search area to just Manila and AC. Realistically I'm not going to GenSan to meet some bird. CSP also says that further limit your area to around 1- hour max around Makati. A chick from Cavite, Caloocan or QC can't be trusted to come out to Makati within a mongers' limited time frame.
All very interesting. I've switched off the app now and will reload it when I confirm my trip next year.
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[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2264358]More pleas for financial aid. I've told this girl I can only help her when she is in my hotel room. Only one way to fix this. Delete and block.[/QUOTE]I'm finding that this is one of the downsides to starting my run too early. It opens me up to many requests and sob stories. Much easier to wait until I am there and just ask can you come around today or tomorrow. It's a yes or no answer and there is no time in between for grandmothers to get sick.
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[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2264361]I'm a newbie to internet dating, so out of curiosity I downloaded the FC app and filled out the profile. I used my real pic, but dialled down my age a bit. I didn't want people to think I use a Zimmer frame. I then forgot about it and went about by normal business.
24-hours later, I had 220 messages in my mail box from chicks. I'm thinking what the hell is this all about and how could I possibly go through this rubbish? I also read on this forum that some members advise not to go on FC and PL until about 2 weeks before your trip otherwise the chicks lose interest. Next time I will limit my search area to just Manila and AC. Realistically I'm not going to GenSan to meet some bird. CSP also says that further limit your area to around 1- hour max around Makati. A chick from Cavite, Caloocan or QC can't be trusted to come out to Makati within a mongers' limited time frame.
All very interesting. I've switched off the app now and will reload it when I confirm my trip next year.[/QUOTE]Last trip to Davao I started a month out and it was a nightmare. This time it was two weeks and that's still too long. As you said above, it allows sob stories. Yes, the girls loose interest but they also get snowed under by the sheer volume of messages. An ok girl will get '00's of messages a day. A cutie maybe '000's. So it's hard for you or I to remain front of mind for her over a long period of time. I've had many chats go really well and then suddenly stop. I'm sure she's just forgotten after answering a couple of other guys and my message has gotten buried down the list.
FWIW, I'm still a big fan of contacting when you are in town and want to meet now or tomorrow. Maybe add a day or two if it's a regional center where the girls might need some warming up or conversation first. Much less drop outs and general heart ache.
It's a waste of time to search all of the philippines. You can't possibly meet all of them. Many of those indicating in their profile that they are in the city with you will actually be out in the province somewhere or travelling when you arrive. It's one area where Cupid is better than PL. Often PL will only let you search a Province eg Papanga which is a big place whereas Cupid will let you search a city eg AC. It rules out many false positives. Its a big plus in big provinces or areas like Manila where the girl can be hours away from where you are.
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[QUOTE=Goferring;2264367]Last trip to Davao I started a month out and it was a nightmare. This time it was two weeks and that's still too long. As you said above, it allows sob stories. Yes, the girls loose interest but they also get snowed under by the sheer volume of messages. An ok girl will get '00's of messages a day. A cutie maybe '000's. So it's hard for you or I to remain front of mind for her over a long period of time. I've had many chats go really well and then suddenly stop. I'm sure she's just forgotten after answering a couple of other guys and my message has gotten buried down the list.
FWIW, I'm still a big fan of contacting when you are in town and want to meet now or tomorrow. Maybe add a day or two if it's a regional center where the girls might need some warming up or conversation first. Much less drop outs and general heart ache.
It's a waste of time to search all of the philippines. You can't possibly meet all of them. Many of those indicating in their profile that they are in the city with you will actually be out in the province somewhere or travelling when you arrive. It's one area where Cupid is better than PL. Often PL will only let you search a Province eg Papanga which is a big place whereas Cupid will let you search a city eg AC. It rules out many false positives. Its a big plus in big provinces or areas like Manila where the girl can be hours away from where you are.[/QUOTE]I don't see that those 1,000's of horny westerners who bombard a hot girl each day with messages as any competition for us real travellers. 99% of them won't actually ever board an aircraft to Manila. Last time I only used Wechat and Tinder when I arrived as they are proximity based apps. Even then, I couldn't keep up with all the prospects. Like you suggested, I will switch on FC a couple of days before leaving and will be ruthless in my culling. I like to mix it up with bar girls, massage girls and waitresses. So how many online real prospects do I actually need? Not more than 20. Given a 50% no show rate, that's more than enough.
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[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2264383]I don't see that those 1,000's of horny westerners who bombard a hot girl each day with messages as any competition for us real travellers. 99% of them won't actually ever board an aircraft to Manila.[/QUOTE]Agreed. However they to add volume to the girls' inbox so they must wade through all these to go get to the opportunity to sleep with our fine selves.
Pro tip: FC and PL inbox summaries are about 50 characters long. Get the fact that you are in town / country in that first 50 characters THEN rave on about how she is cute, the weather etc. Not the other way. Then when she is scanning the 1000 messages in her inbox, she will see that you are in town before even needing to open the message and can select your message as worthy of reply.
Many girls do answer alot of the unlikely to come chats. It costs them nothing and there is a however slim chance that he can be talked into sending cash to prove his love. For some girls being a frequent visitor can be a negative for a guy as he knows the ropes and is less likely to be scammed, I mean generous. 🙄.
[QUOTE=Goferring;2121543]I'm currently in Subic having a lot of good fortune with PinaLove and FilippinoCupid.
I questioned a PL girl about how she uses the dating software, her impressions of the guys she comes across and what she found as a turn off / attractive when replying to messages.
SNIP
Girls keep chats going for months / years as it has no cost but has a slim possibility that the guy may come and marry them.
Girls may request some funds from long distance relationships. This is seen as an indication that the guy is serious and not just stringing her along.
SNIP
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[QUOTE=Goferring;2264403]For some girls being a frequent visitor can be a negative for a guy as he knows the ropes and is less likely to be scammed, I mean generous.[/QUOTE]You mean like when I was talking to a Brazilian chick and she was saying how much she wanted to come to the States and I told her I wanted to move back to Brazil. She blocked me.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2264412]You mean like when I was talking to a Brazilian chick and she was saying how much she wanted to come to the States and I told her I wanted to move back to Brazil. She blocked me.[/QUOTE]Or in Bali when I was walking down Jl Pantai (Beach Rd) and a girl sidled up and asked how things were going. Without batting an eyelid I replied in Indonesian. This went on for a couple of sentences until she figured out what was happening and with a "sorry, I thought you were a tourist", was gone.
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Tis the season for moms to get ill
Two chicas I'm in contact with have just said their mom or grandma are sick. Looks like more culling of my phone list is needed. It's so predictable LOL.
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No my cup of tea but maybe someone in the forum
[URL]https://www.pinalove.com/kylie1437[/URL]
A dominant bi needs a submissive partner.
LOL.
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Busted
We all bend the truth sometimes but fuck me!!
Cupid vs Viber profiles.
Lucky I caught it in time.
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[QUOTE=Member#1088;2264604][URL]https://www.pinalove.com/kylie1437[/URL]
A dominant bi needs a submissive partner.[/QUOTE]FYI. Sometimes guys post links to dating sites (above). However, when I click the link, I get the login page (not the actual profile page, see pic). Hence, only guys active on PL can see the Kylie's page after they log in.
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[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2264930]FYI. Sometimes guys post links to dating sites (above). However, when I click the link, I get the login page (not the actual profile page, see pic). Hence, only guys active on PL can see the Kylie's page after they log in.[/QUOTE]True. Sometimes it's easier just to post a screen grab.
For those interested but don't have an account.
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[QUOTE=Goferring;2265145]True. Sometimes it's easier just to post a screen grab.
For those interested but don't have an account.[/QUOTE]You are right, my bad, I will post the screen grab next time.
Please report with photographic documentation.
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[QUOTE=Member#1088;2265160]You are right, my bad, I will post the screen grab next time.
Please report with photographic documentation.[/QUOTE]Sorry. I won't be following up. I'm only 1 out of the 3 requirements: truely bi chicks are great but I'm not a sub and I don't take photos.
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[QUOTE=Goferring;2265165]Sorry. I won't be following up. I'm only 1 out of the 3 requirements: truely bi chicks are great but I'm not a sub and I don't take photos.[/QUOTE]It could be a challenge, to turn her to be the sub, LOL.
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[QUOTE=Member#1088;2265224]It could be a challenge, to turn her to be the sub, LOL.[/QUOTE]Or her girlfriend vs MF doms. That could get interesting You got me thinking. LOL.
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[QUOTE=Goferring;2265234]Or her girlfriend vs MF doms. That could get interesting You got me thinking. LOL.[/QUOTE]I would be fun and a heck of a teaching report for the newbies even without photographic documentation.
To dom a dom, what would that make you for the girls that she dom, hum you be their double master? LOL.
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Archiving
If I archive my Viber and WhatsApp chats to Google Drive, does that include any images included in those chats?
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[QUOTE=Goferring;2265535]If I archive my Viber and WhatsApp chats to Google Drive, does that include any images included in those chats?[/QUOTE]I think so, and more than that, all images from at least whatsapp are often saved directly to the clouds like OneDrive or Google drive. To be checked, depending on your wish to keep them or not.
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Bitcoin Scammers on Dating Sites
I've been playing around with Tantan recently and "matched" with a few hot looking Chinese girls who are based in China. The first alarm bell that should go off is when you consider why a pretty young Chinese girl (non-hooker) would match with me (or you). The second alarm will go off when you get a fraud warning message from Tantan when you accept the invitation. This has probably been brought about by complaints they have received. This is shown in the picture below.
They will then get you to chat with them on WeChat or someother platform and get you off Tantan altogether. If you get past all this, they will then cultivate a friendship over a few weeks. Nothing sexual, but just general chit chat about life and how well they are doing in business and in bitcoin trading. Note that bitcoin trading is illegal in China, so when asked about this, they will say they have an offshore account. There will be plenty of pictures on their profile pages about celebrations, buying brand name goods, holidays etc to give the illusion of success. Periodically, they will step out of the conversation to "check the charts". A few hours later they will come back show you a fake trading slip showing that they made USD $40 K or $25 K etc from bitcoin trading. I know that you can make profits on volatility, but short term trading is a zero sum game and it's not possible to consistently make money like this on bitcoin. There is no established pattern for bitcoin and the trend analysis is meaningless. It's not as if it's based on anything tangible.
So the friendship will continue and they will encourage you to consider bitcoins since it's so easy to get rich and apparently everyone in China is rolling in bitcoin profits. They will then offer to teach you how to trade. This is through helping you set up a simulation account with one of their brokers who is in on the scam. They will then ask you to give them your name, email and address. At this point I said goodbye and bailed out. I just wanted to go as far as possible to see what they were up to.
If you go beyond this step, I think they will show that you have made huge dummy profits on the simulation trades. After a few days, they will ask if you now want to trade for real since you are now ready to make millions. Once you hand them your bank account details or deposit the capital into your real trading account, you can imagine where it will go. Bitcoin is completely unregulated, so if you lose your cash, there is no recourse.
In summary, look out for the following:
1. Very pretty Chinese girl, usually an 8+
2. Gallery will have pictures of lobster dinners, Chanel bags, holidays abroad
3. They will be successful businesswomen - wholesale trading, cosmetics, retail, training etc
4. Bitcoins won't be introduced until a few days later
5. Conversation will not be about dating/sex/meetings. It will be about general life in order to establish trust over a few weeks
6. They find their mark and play the long game
7. They will attempt to get you interested in quick profits from Bitcoins and to envy their success
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[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2267452]I've been playing around with Tantan r......vy their success[/QUOTE]It should be one forum here in another forum to report scams like this and also any girls that are scamers out there, it would save lots of times and headache for all the members.
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That's it, I'm soooo done putting in ground work on the online hookup sites!
Last trip to Davao, I started out 4 weeks beforehand and it was an absolute nightmare. This time I cut it down to 2 weeks, thinking that the lack of active P4 P scene would need some foreplanning and organisation. I kept nearly 100 contacts active for that time. Do you know how far above my pay grade it is to have all those conversations, remembering who are nurses, who are teachers and who will finish their studies in 3 weeks? I just about went insane.
Given all that, guess how many of those paid dividends when I arrived? None. Nada. Zip!!
30% dissapeared when I arrived.
30% just fucked me around to the point of exasperation.
30% preferred their job or family over sucking my dick.
A surprising number were simply scared to meet an unknown white guy when I actually arrived.
And my personal favorite: one had a wedding to go to. Her own!!
Contrast that to fantastic online finds with between 2 to 36 hours notice:
1 great platonic first date from Cupid with follow up thanks the next day.
1 classy hoe from Tinder.
2 drop ins from Cupid.
1 drop in from Pina.
No more of this "see you in 2 weeks" bullshit for me.
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Massage Republic.
Go check out the prices. US $300+. And don't even think of bareback. Lots of cuties advertising so someone has $$ to burn.
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[QUOTE=Goferring;2267691]That's it, I'm soooo done putting in ground work on the online hookup sites![/QUOTE]Hi G Man,
I can relate. Never been to Davao but similar experience and problems elsewhere in PI and Indo. My most recent trip was not my best because the stomach flu put a damper on my activities for a few days, almost a week. Something I ate in Jakarta no doubt. Nevertheless the girls are 10 X better than anything in sex prison USA. In comparison to Dominican Republic, however, the PI and Indonesia are not as good in my opinion. Super easy to connect on Cupid there, super sexy / busty fun girls under 30, comparable prices. The only drawback is Spanish but not knowing it is not necessarily a liability. Cheers.
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[QUOTE=Goferring;2267691]That's it, I'm soooo done putting in ground work on the online hookup sites!
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Given all that, guess how many of those paid dividends when I arrived? None. Nada. Zip!!
.....[/QUOTE]But all of them would have accepted a Western Union donation to help with Grannies hemorrhoids.
I personally have had pretty good luck on the dating sites. They are in fact my major hunting ground. I am usually active on two of Tinder, PL and SA. Will be on each a couple months and then give the site a rest and let some new sweeties join up.
I also initially cast a wide net but narrow it down pretty quickly. Only those who do not display even a hint of any of my red flags make it through the continuous screening. I'd say out of every 100 contacts I (or sometimes they) initiate, I may actually invite meet one or two. Out of every 10 girls I invite I see 9 o 10 of them.
My major red flags are any discussion of money, without reciprocal sex before meeting, any hint of any jealousy. If they say they have a problem, it usually means money so I terminate the conservation there. If they start asking how long I been in Phils have I ever had a pina GF before likewise.
With only a few exceptions of every meet up I have fucked them all. A couple have turned out not at all like the girl in the chat, fake pictures, pictures 10 years and 10 kgs ago. Loud obnoxious or just turned me off I have refused a few. Only missed on 2 that I wanted. Just over a 100 in the last year, some have lived in for a couple of months and some just visited once. Many return visits from those I deem worthy of a repeat visit. Have Some have taken a few dates and some have been naked in 5 minutes of meeting, That part you just have to adapt to the girl.
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[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2268496] If they start asking how long I been in Phils have I ever had a pina GF before likewise.
.[/QUOTE]Nice report KB. I'm new to dating sites. Why are questions about your previous visits to Phils a deal breaker?
Also, do you get them on Viber or What's App video chat as part of the screening process? Some members have said if they only want to use Skype, that's a deal breaker. Why is that?
Are you up front with them regarding your intentions? Like just seeking fun or do they think they can get you as a LT BF?
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[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2268511] I'm new to dating sites. Why are questions about your previous visits to Phils a deal breaker[/QUOTE]Online Dating Sites Glossary.
Can we Skype? I've got a Nigerian war lord on a parallel account typing while I sit here and look hot.
Do you have a pina GF? Can I get a long con set here?
Fun: just looking for hook ups.
How long have you been in the PI? Do you know true prices? Are you an easy mark?
I'm not a prostitute: tell me you are giving me taxi money on the way out. Taxis are 1500 p here.
I'm a good girl / looking for a serious BF. Don't tell my friends I sucked your dick for cash.
Is your wife a pina? I'm coming around to fuck you senseless but I don't want some psycho b1 tch stabbing me because of it.
It's good that you are being honest: I don't give a shit about your wife, family, mysterious STD. I'm on the way.
My XXXX is sick, broken, being repaired: I need money.
My signal is too slow to video: my photos are fake and I'm a 38 yo bakla.
What hotel are you staying at? How much can I charge?
Enjoy, G.
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[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2268511]Also, do you get them on Viber or What's App video chat as part of the screening process[/QUOTE]Get them onto a chat app ASAP 1/ so that you have a continuous way of contacting them when you or they are off the app 2/ so that you do not get buried and forgotten amongst the '000's of other messages 3/ to enable video chat. This is esp true for Tinder. If you can keep a Tinder girl chatting within the app for more than 4 comments, you're a stud.
If physical appearance is super important to you then confirm photos with video. Expect to loose 1 to 2/10 in hotness vs photos. It's always best to meet with a bail out option just in case (lobbies, JollieBees etc) rather than give her your room number.
My gaydar is much better on video and in face than from looking at photos. Having said that most LBs will tell you if there is a surprise coming.
Enjoy, G.
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[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2268511]Are you up front with them regarding your intentions? Like just seeking fun or do they think they can get you as a LT BF?[/QUOTE]I'm polite but honest with everyone so that 1/ there are no surprises 2/ I'm not giving the impression that I've got something to hide and can be shaken down or blackmailed 3/ I'm too stupid to remember which lie I told to which person. Numerous girls have told me that they have heard all the BS stories before, know when they are being lied to and don't care about what happens out side the room. I normally get only 1 or 2 girls a trip that will not see me on moral grounds.
Don't underestimate the number of girls that are just out for some fun too and don't need guys making up stories just to bed them.
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[QUOTE=Goferring;2268535]Online Dating Sites Glossary.
Can we Skype? I've got a Nigerian war lord on a parallel account typing while I sit here and look hot.
Do you have a pina GF? Can I get a long con set here?
Fun: just looking for hook ups.
How long have you been in the PI? Do you know true prices? Are you an easy mark?
I'm not a prostitute: tell me you are giving me taxi money on the way out. Taxis are 1500 p here.
I'm a good girl / looking for a serious BF. Don't tell my friends I sucked your dick for cash.
Is your wife a pina? I'm coming around to fuck you senseless but I don't want some psycho b1 tch stabbing me because of it.
It's good that you are being honest: I don't give a shit about your wife, family, mysterious STD. I'm on the way.
My XXXX is sick, broken, being repaired: I need money.
My signal is too slow to video: my photos are fake and I'm a 38 yo bakla.
What hotel are you staying at? How much can I charge?
Enjoy, G.[/QUOTE]Thanks G Man, much appreciated. With thorough screening like you, KG and CSP have described, I think you can get a good outcome in the larger cities.
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[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2268511]Nice report KB. I'm new to dating sites. Why are questions about your previous visits to Phils a deal breaker?
Also, do you get them on Viber or What's App video chat as part of the screening process? Some members have said if they only want to use Skype, that's a deal breaker. Why is that?
Are you up front with them regarding your intentions? Like just seeking fun or do they think they can get you as a LT BF?[/QUOTE]When they ask about previous pina GF experience then you are facing the spetre of pina jealousy. They are not interested in savoring the moment but will grill you incessantly about how was she, why are you not together still, do you like her more than me, are you still on the dating sites etc.
Not sure why Skype would be a deal breaker for others, it isn't for me at all. I have a special Skype account set up just for them, separate from my regular one. I simply ask for viber or what's app number, if I don't then I'll move on the Skype or FB. If not then I pass because it is simply too much effort to load and manage all the other message apps out there. If they do not have one of the main 4 apps then good-bye.
What I usually say is along the lines of I am looking to meet girls and see what happens from there. I am not only looking for one night or a weekend of fun. I would happy accept a long term relationship as long as there was room in it for me to have the occasional stray piece or a 3 some once in a while. I always find that sex gets better up to a point each time with a girl, once that point is reached. "Sorry sweetheart, this is not working out for me or I have to go back home for a family emergency or something along those lines.
Remember I am in a different circumstance than many. I live in Philippine, I am retired and can spend the necessary time to cast a very wide net and throw out many good possibilities because I simply don't have the time or sperm for all the really great possibilities / certainties out there. I realize that I contact a lot of women for every one I meet, but that is by tactic, cast a wide net and be very selective on the keepers.
I have a regular call center girl, she comes over a couple times a week. I have another semi regular who comes over once a week or so and a girl who can always be counted upon to bring me a very nice girl or 2 or 3 for a 3 some or moresome. Sometimes fully interactive 3 somes but always both with hands, tits, pussy, or mouth on me at the same time. Never taking them one at a time while the others hide in the CR. Usually group showers before and after as well.
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[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2268586]When they ask about previous pina GF experience then you are facing the spetre of pina jealousy. They are not interested in savoring the moment but will grill you incessantly about how was she, why are you not together still, do you like her more than me, are you still on the dating sites etc[/QUOTE]Does this mean I should be jealous of "my fiance is a dick because he watches me all the time and won't let me go out and party with my friends. . . "? 🤔 😁.
On a serious note, this is another reason that I'm upfront with the girls. There is nothing to get jealous about because nothing anyone else does is going to impact what happens in the next couple of hours nor any follow up meetings, should they happen.
It also gives them no reason to interrupt my civilian life with unsolicited messages and Facebook invites etc.
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[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2268586]When they ask about previous pina GF experience then you are facing the spetre of pina jealousy. They are not interested in savoring the moment but will grill you incessantly about how was she, why are you not together still, do you like her more than me, are you still on the dating sites etc.
Not sure why Skype would be a deal breaker for others, it isn't for me at all. I have a special Skype account set up just for them, separate from my regular one. I simply ask for viber or what's app number, if I don't then I'll move on the Skype or FB. If not then I pass because it is simply too much effort to load and manage all the other message apps out there. If they do not have one of the main 4 apps then good-bye.
What I usually say is along the lines of I am looking to meet girls and see what happens from there. I am not only looking for one night or a weekend of fun. I would happy accept a long term relationship as long as there was room in it for me to have the occasional stray piece or a 3 some once in a while. I always find that sex gets better up to a point each time with a girl, once that point is reached. "Sorry sweetheart, this is not working out for me or I have to go back home for a family emergency or something along those lines.
Remember I am in a different circumstance than many. I live in Philippine, I am retired and can spend the necessary time to cast a very wide net and throw out many good possibilities because I simply don't have the time or sperm for all the really great possibilities / certainties out there. I realize that I contact a lot of women for every one I meet, but that is by tactic, cast a wide net and be very selective on the keepers.
I have a regular call center girl, she comes over a couple times a week. I have another semi regular who comes over once a week or so and a girl who can always be counted upon to bring me a very nice girl or 2 or 3 for a 3 some or moresome. Sometimes fully interactive 3 somes but always both with hands, tits, pussy, or mouth on me at the same time. Never taking them one at a time while the others hide in the CR. Usually group showers before and after as well.[/QUOTE]Is there a posting in this site about do / donts and advice to retire to phillipines?
I presume you own an apartment?
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[QUOTE=Member#1088;2268596]Is there a posting in this site about do / donts and advice to retire to phillipines?
I presume you own an apartment?[/QUOTE]Search KGs posts he did a very good breakdown of costs and it triggered some interesting follow up discussions. It may have been referred to the Reports of Distinction thread but sometimes the links work, sometimes they don't.
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[QUOTE=Member#1088;2268596]Is there a posting in this site about do / donts and advice to retire to phillipines?
I presume you own an apartment?[/QUOTE]There are better sites for that sort of discussion. It seams that as soon as a topic gets off the mongering topic very far or for very long, people soon start complaining about it. We see that on entertainment topics like restaurants and beaches, an involved retirement thread would eventually end up with more posts complaining about being off topic than useful information. On the forums that support retirement living topics you also get a much wider view of the Philippines from a non mongering perspective.
No I rent, a condo in an SM building, not the best by far and not the worst by far in terms of quality and value will cost somewhere between 4 and 6 million to buy (plus most of another if you want to but a parking spot.) Then there will be about 2 k a month in condo fees. (Internet, cable, and power separate for most rentals but at 25 K I got network plus cable, a 3 k valus).
I can rent the same apartment, fully furnished (crap stuff mostly but you can supplement the dishes and some of the stuff with your own.) for between 18 k and 25 k a month. To me not worth the in and out costs, the tying up of capital and the risk involved in owing things of great value here.
The best retirement advice I ever heard was do not make any commitments that you can not walk away from for at least the first year. I'd double that and will not buy a vehicle or a condo / long term lease for at least 2 years, unless you were willing to walk oyt the door, get in the vehicle, leave it at the airport and fly away.
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Military Romance Scam
If you are on dating sites looking for sex, romance or trouble, you will eventually come across the military romance scam.
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1049-Sydney&p=2269876[/URL]#post2269876.
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[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2269881]If you are on dating sites looking for sex, romance or trouble, you will eventually come across the military romance scam.
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1049-Sydney&p=2269876[/URL]#post2269876.[/QUOTE]Yet another reason not to be chatting to girls weeks / months out from your holiday.
"Can you come over this afternoon?" Yes / no, problem solved.
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Any India monger here?
Mates,
Just want to know any fellow member from India visiting Cebu or Davao. Planning a trip this April. Just Curious if any local friend also visiting. Sorry if I am posting in wrong forum.
Regards,
Khekada.
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Alternatives
After being I guess lock out of pinalove again, (I keep getting a screen to renter my number, I do, but doesn't tke it and wants me to upgrade).
I'm ready to move to another site, DIA is not an option, they reject my acct, 3 min after I get a new one, I guess they are tracking ips.
What do you recommend that is free, sort it like pinalove or DIA?
Thanks in advance for your help.
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[QUOTE=Member#1088;2270948]What do you recommend that is free, sort it like pinalove or DIA?
Thanks in advance for your help.[/QUOTE]Cherry Blossoms, or blossoms dot com.
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[QUOTE=Member#1088;2270948]What do you recommend that is free, sort it like pinalove or DIA?[/QUOTE]Get on Tagged.
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[QUOTE=Member#1088;2270948]After being I guess lock out of pinalove again, (I keep getting a screen to renter my number, I do, but doesn't tke it and wants me to upgrade).
I'm ready to move to another site, DIA is not an option, they reject my acct, 3 min after I get a new one, I guess they are tracking ips.
What do you recommend that is free, sort it like pinalove or DIA?
Thanks in advance for your help.[/QUOTE]Tinder and WeChat but they have no where near the number of girls and are up to 50% LBs.
None of the usual chat sites are worthwhile as free versions. They will come with message or other restrictions that basically make them a PITA. Girls realise this and often don't waste their time communicating with Standard members.
I too cannot stop being banned from DIA so stopped using it. I now using FC and PL with a little Tinder. FC has delivered more of late especially where you want to drill down to city level (eg Dumaguette). PL only let's you select a province. Cebu Province is huge and contains girls far away from Cebu City.
Enjoy, G
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[QUOTE=Goferring;2270958]Tinder and WeChat but they have no where near the number of girls and are up to 50% LBs.
None of the usual chat sites are worthwhile as free versions. They will come with message or other restrictions that basically make them a PITA. Girls realise this and often don't waste their time communicating with Standard members.
I too cannot stop being banned from DIA so stopped using it. I now using FC and PL with a little Tinder. FC has delivered more of late especially where you want to drill down to city level (eg Dumaguette). PL only let's you select a province. Cebu Province is huge and contains girls far away from Cebu City.
Enjoy, G[/QUOTE]Give a look at fdating, seems to still have girls connected there and may be not much controls. oh, was for member1088...
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2270957]Get on Tagged.[/QUOTE]Don't you need to upgrade to chat to better girls and get rid of some of the ads?
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[QUOTE=Goferring;2270966]Don't you need to upgrade to chat to better girls and get rid of some of the ads?[/QUOTE]I have been on there 10 years and didn't even know there was anything to upgrade. Ads don't bother me.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2270969]I have been on there 10 years and didn't even know there was anything to upgrade. Ads don't bother me.[/QUOTE]Yes you have to upgrade to chat, every girl I m trying to message is too popular to chat at this time, LOL.
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[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2270956]Cherry Blossoms, or blossoms dot com.[/QUOTE]Not free;.
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[QUOTE=Albert9989;2270964]Give a look at fdating, seems to still have girls connected there and may be not much controls. oh, was for member1088...[/QUOTE]Intesting options, but when you see the last activity is very old. 2 weeks, and over 2 years LOL, they dotn connect back.
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[QUOTE=Member#1088;2270994]Intesting options, but when you see the last activity is very old. 2 weeks, and over 2 years LOL, they dotn connect back.[/QUOTE]HM, not sure, for phil I have 4 pages, ie 48 contacts who logged in the last 2 hours, but garred that its may be not the best for youngish, I see mostly 25 and above or far above.
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[QUOTE=Member#1088;2270972]Yes you have to upgrade to chat, every girl I m trying to message is too popular to chat at this time, LOL.[/QUOTE]I don't use it that way. I use the Meet Me function.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2271014]I don't use it that way. I use the Meet Me function.[/QUOTE]Ok, trying that now, lets see.
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[QUOTE=Albert9989;2270997]HM, not sure, for phil I have 4 pages, ie 48 contacts who logged in the last 2 hours, but garred that its may be not the best for youngish, I see mostly 25 and above or far above.[/QUOTE]Ah, my target range is 18-20.
The initial interaction is more challenging that with the older ones.
Let me do olders search.
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[QUOTE=Member#1088;2271037]Ah, my target range is 18-20.
The initial interaction is more challenging that with the older ones.
Let me do olders search.[/QUOTE]That age range is well represented on SA. They might want a little more but generally the quality of girl on SA is better than PL.
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[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2271085]That age range is well represented on SA. They might want a little more but generally the quality of girl on SA is better than PL.[/QUOTE]How much is "a little more"? 5 k overnight? Or is it more an expectation of nice dinners, decent hotels and gifts?
I actually don't mind springing for dinner etc if she's pleasant conversation and company. I tire of the girls where you can see the lights dim when 2 neurons have to fire simultaneously.
Enjoy, G.
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[QUOTE=Goferring;2271096]I actually don't mind springing for dinner etc if she's pleasant conversation and company. I tire of the girls where you can see the lights dim when 2 neurons have to fire simultaneously.Enjoy, G.[/QUOTE]I agree, I hate stupid! But I only offer food if I"M hungry, and ready to eat, not her, but it usually loosens them up a little more. At the end of the day you got to remind yourself, it's just a shag, not a date.
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[QUOTE=Goferring;2271096]I tire of the girls where you can see the lights dim when 2 neurons have to fire simultaneously.[/QUOTE]Time to change up countries then!
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[QUOTE=NakedGunz;2271104]I agree, I hate stupid! But I only offer food if I"M hungry, and ready to eat, not her, but it usually loosens them up a little more. At the end of the day you got to remind yourself, it's just a shag, not a date.[/QUOTE]Sometime a little dinner with a bit of vine, may make them more daring. Like pics, greek, full swallow, share me with other girl at the same time, etc.
One time, one of the girls, got so wasted that she really was sorry she couldnt perform, so she called her sister to assist, took her sister 2 hr to arrive while she vomit in the toilet. She was a 7, her sister was a full 9.75 ..... so i dont mind dinner,
then the following week, i got the two of them togehter, but make sure they didnt overdrink lol lol
u never know what will happen.
SA?
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2271144]Time to change up countries then![/QUOTE]That may be forced upon me in about 10 days!! Until then make hey while the sun shines. 😁.
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[QUOTE=Goferring;2271096]How much is "a little more"? 5 k overnight? Or is it more an expectation of nice dinners, decent hotels and gifts?
I actually don't mind springing for dinner etc if she's pleasant conversation and company. I tire of the girls where you can see the lights dim when 2 neurons have to fire simultaneously.
Enjoy, G.[/QUOTE]For the ones that will quote a per night rate that is the low end of the range. They more want a longer term relationship but you can find p4 p arrangements as well.
If they say fun, open relationship or similar phrases then you are usually looking at a one night meet up.
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News from the front
Fdating. Got 1 msg back, only Hello, sent over 30.
Tinder. No luck I guess because I'm in the usa and even with VPN it still thinks I'm here.
Tagget - 4 matches in meet me, no answer.
The others are paid or mobile only.
DIA, using VPN I was able to get all the way to start sending and doing searches, but it then I got disable, I don't know, I thik they tattoo my machine, time to get new laptop.
I got back into pinalove, getting results now.
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[QUOTE=Member#1088;2271448]Fdating. Got 1 msg back, only Hello, sent over 30.
Tinder. No luck I guess because I'm in the usa and even with VPN it still thinks I'm here.
Tagget - 4 matches in meet me, no answer.
The others are paid or mobile only.
DIA, using VPN I was able to get all the way to start sending and doing searches, but it then I got disable, I don't know, I thik they tattoo my machine, time to get new laptop.
I got back into pinalove, getting results now.[/QUOTE]Change of country.
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Excess Online Numbers
I'm starting to wind down in preparation of leaving. Like everyone who goes online, I've got a mountain of numbers from this trip. Some I met, were great and their numbers will be secreted away, hopefully to be used again later. However, there are many who are cute and keen to meet but the reality is that I'll never have the time or stamina to meet everyone.
What are people doing with their surplus numbers at the end of a trip?
What's the response to "six months ago you gave me your number, want to hook up?
Is there value in keeping unused numbers, given that new up to date numbers will be so easy to get in future visits?
Thoughts?
Of course, given my situation, I'm not going to maintain on going contact from home and it may be a while before I'm able to return but I thought it was a question worth asking.
Cheers, G.
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[QUOTE=Goferring;2271556]What's the response to "six months ago you gave me your number, want to hook up? Is there value in keeping unused numbers, given that new up to date numbers will be so easy to get in future visits?[/QUOTE]I save the numbers of the women I have shagged. There has been contact established and cuts down on the hunting next time if it was a good experience. The only downfall to that is the inevitable begging for some money later. The ones I don't have time for are still in the phone, but are not likely to be as enthusiastic months down the road.
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[QUOTE=Goferring;2271556]I'm starting to wind down in preparation of leaving. Like everyone who goes online, I've got a mountain of numbers from this trip. Some I met, were great and their numbers will be secreted away, hopefully to be used again later. However, there are many who are cute and keen to meet but the reality is that I'll never have the time or stamina to meet everyone.
What are people doing with their surplus numbers at the end of a trip?
What's the response to "six months ago you gave me your number, want to hook up?
Is there value in keeping unused numbers, given that new up to date numbers will be so easy to get in future visits?
Thoughts?
Of course, given my situation, I'm not going to maintain on going contact from home and it may be a while before I'm able to return but I thought it was a question worth asking.
Cheers, G.[/QUOTE]In my case all the contacts of the people I did not meet are deleted. All these girls have short memories if they did not meet you and get your money. You can message them after three months but they would know or remember what was discussed and who you are. The ones you have met and had a good time with will hit you for money with a sob story. If you deny it is likely they will forget you also.
When my next plans are set I start all over again. Also will contact the previous girls I had a good time with. Many change numbers and not into Skype, viber or whatever. Some might have found sponsors, local BF, marriage who knows. My contacts are exclusively from dateinasia. Fortunately there are plenty of girls ready to hook up.
Sometimes I tend to help out girls for their studies within reason. Will they be available on my next trip? Some are and some are not. There are many of us foreigners looking to hook up online. Girls generally do not have any loyalty if they are meeting you for sex and money. The moment somebody else comes along promising whatever they will jump at it. Unless you are interested in serious relationship and marriage make a new list and hit up newer girls.
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[QUOTE=Goferring;2271556]
What are people doing with their surplus numbers at the end of a trip?[/QUOTE]The problem with keeping the surplus of contacts at the end of a trip is that they would come on top of the surplus from the end of my previous trip LOL. So it's no use to keep it, it's just way too much.
I only keep contact information of the girls that I shagged and are really worth repeating, which to be honest are not an awful lot because the majority of them belongs to the category 'average' or 'nice but nothing special'.
So I only keep the categories 'above average' and 'excellent'. Unfortunately not all of them are still around when I come back to the Phils or another part of SE Asia. I have lost contact with some really memoriable shags over the years, sigh. That's my sob story LOL.
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[QUOTE=Goferring;2271556]I'm starting to wind down in preparation of leaving. Like everyone who goes online, I've got a mountain of numbers from this trip. Some I met, were great and their numbers will be secreted away, hopefully to be used again later. However, there are many who are cute and keen to meet but the reality is that I'll never have the time or stamina to meet everyone.
What are people doing with their surplus numbers at the end of a trip?
[/QUOTE]I keep all contacts I make regardless of if I meet or not. I put them into Contacts on my dedicated "dating" iPhone (separate from my friends + family phone). I use codes in the name field to denote location (Manila, Cebu, etc), meeting status (Meet=Try to meet for first time, Rpt=Met and is worth a repeat, Pass=Never met and never want to, NoRpt=Met but not worth repeating), and what app / site I found her on. I also use the Notes section of the contact for any info I want to remember.
Viber / WhatsApp and other apps auto-sync with the iPhone Contacts so I have a single source. FB Messenger sadly does not do this and is a separate source without the above abilities, but I get alot of traffic on Messenger so its worth the hassle.
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[QUOTE=MangoKing;2271629]I keep all contacts I make regardless of if I meet or not. I put them into Contacts on my dedicated "dating" iPhone (separate from my friends + family phone). I use codes in the name field to denote location (Manila, Cebu, etc), meeting status (Meet=Try to meet for first time, Rpt=Met and is worth a repeat, Pass=Never met and never want to, NoRpt=Met but not worth repeating), and what app / site I found her on. I also use the Notes section of the contact for any info I want to remember.[/QUOTE]Valid points. However, do you ever use the old un-mets on follow up trips or do they pile up indefinitely?
I also keep the NeverAgains (highlighted) so that I don't make the same mistake when I return.
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[QUOTE=Goferring;2271556]
What are people doing with their surplus numbers at the end of a trip?
What's the response to "six months ago you gave me your number, want to hook up? [/QUOTE]I would suggest (educated guess) that more than 50% of them will have changed their numbers within 6 months due to loss of phone, change of phone etc.
Conclusion: Ditch them and start fresh if and when there's a "next time".
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[QUOTE=Goferring;2271646]Valid points. However, do you ever use the old un-mets on follow up trips or do they pile up indefinitely?
I also keep the NeverAgains (highlighted) so that I don't make the same mistake when I return.[/QUOTE]Yes I do reach out to un-mets on future trips. Both the un-mets and met-and-repeat girls do tend to disappear at maybe a 50% rate but it's so much easier to send a quick message to an un-met than to go through the hole search process. I basically use the un-mets as the starting point upon arrival (or just before arrival) in town.
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[QUOTE=RedKilt;2271649]I would suggest (educated guess) that more than 50% of them will have changed their numbers within 6 months due to loss of phone, change of phone etc.
Conclusion: Ditch them and start fresh if and when there's a "next time".[/QUOTE]Based and my informal research I would agree and it is likely less than 6 months. I have multiple numbers for some girls who change providers / numbers like they change panties at times. One I know had 3 phones lost / stolen / broken in 4 months! Nothing new. When they say "I wish I could send you pics" etc I immediately know this = I need cash for a phone LOL.
As RK says I forget them unless they are really worth seeing.
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Improving my Gaydar
Anyone got tips on improving my photo based gaydar? I'm usually pretty good face to face or off videos but from photos can be difficult.
I fucked up again and wasted a few hours chat time before the big question revealed the truth.
I guess its "Ask early, ask often".
Suggestions?
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[QUOTE=MangoKing;2271664]Yes I do reach out to un-mets on future trips. Both the un-mets and met-and-repeat girls do tend to disappear at maybe a 50% rate but it's so much easier to send a quick message to an un-met than to go through the hole search process. I basically use the un-mets as the starting point upon arrival (or just before arrival) in town.[/QUOTE]I'd agree that phone numbers are a revolving door. However, Viber and WA accounts can be more durable if they are migrated from old numbers. Having multiple profile pics for the same contact can jog the memory.
Android also uses the main Contact list to populate Viber and WA so it's all automatic. No need to Manila update contact across multiple apps.
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[QUOTE=Goferring;2271954]Anyone got tips on improving my photo based gaydar? I'm usually pretty good face to face or off videos but from photos can be difficult.
I fucked up again and wasted a few hours chat time before the big question revealed the truth.
I guess its "Ask early, ask often".
Suggestions?[/QUOTE]I see on a lot of profiles, especially Ton inder, that the girls are mad at being asked if they are ladyboys.
Hard to say but if any question best to ask than be unpleasantly surprised when (s) he drops his panties for you.
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[QUOTE=Goferring;2271954]Anyone got tips on improving my photo based gaydar? I'm usually pretty good face to face or off videos but from photos can be difficult.
I fucked up again and wasted a few hours chat time before the big question revealed the truth.
I guess its "Ask early, ask often".
Suggestions?[/QUOTE]Once you get them to video chat then should be easier Goffering especially if they try to avoid letting you them etc. But ask if suspicious as if you don't you can be unpleasantly surprised and waste time (as you did sadly).
If they outright refuse video chat or WhatsApp chat etc then I would drop them.
Old ISG mate thought he had his gaydar perfected until he got to Cebu and scored 2 in the same day. I found it very amusing as I was at Bos while he went to do the deed etc and came back with his tail between his legs fairly quickly LOL.
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[QUOTE=Goferring;2271954]Anyone got tips on improving my photo based gaydar? I'm usually pretty good face to face or off videos but from photos can be difficult.[/QUOTE]My experience with online ladyboys is only based on WeChat and Badoo but nevertheless I can say that the majority of them tell me at some point in the conversation (usually when we talk about meeting) that they are a ladyboy, if I haven't found out myself by that time. So far I have only been fooled by one ladyboy in Angeles who didn't warn me in advance. And there have been a handful who didn't want to admit they were a ladyboy, but they didn't deny it either LOL.
For what it's worth: quite a lot of ladyboys have more or less revealing pics where they are scantily dressed or even show their naked butt. So that can be a sign because real girls usually don't have those kind of pics.
Not in WeChat anyway. In Badoo some real girls do have revealing pics and videos that you can see after they have given you permission.
Furthermore ladyboys often have things like 'let's have fun' or 'looking for fun' or 'I can give you a good time' written in their profile, or similar phrases.
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[QUOTE=Mogwai;2272034]
For what it's worth: quite a lot of ladyboys have more or less revealing pics where they are scantily dressed or even show their naked butt. So that can be a sign because real girls usually don't have those kind of pics.
[/QUOTE]Spot on. My experience is limited to WeChat and Tinder only. They pose with an exaggerated pout, and frequently stick out their tongues in a naughty way. They are quite upfront in their offer, like "let's have fun now! Whereas, a girl will not always reveal her intent.
If in doubt I will ask if they are a real woman.
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[QUOTE=Goferring;2271954]Anyone got tips on improving my photo based gaydar? I'm usually pretty good face to face or off videos but from photos can be difficult.
I fucked up again and wasted a few hours chat time before the big question revealed the truth.
I guess its "Ask early, ask often".
Suggestions?[/QUOTE]Ask for what? You can't see the square shoulders and big ass hands?
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[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2271970]I see on a lot of profiles, especially Ton inder, that the girls are mad at being asked if they are ladyboys.
Hard to say but if any question best to ask than be unpleasantly surprised when (s) he drops his panties for you.[/QUOTE]I always ask sometime during the conversation if they are ladyboys. Some do get insulted thinking it is an attacking on their good looks. However most just say no outright. Ladyboys ignore the question. Then it is time to ignore them.
Unlike Thailand where you can be easily fooled, Philippine ladyboys stand out like a sore thumb if you look carefully even on pics.
NowDays I never hook up with anybody unless I see them on cam. If they do not show cam then a meeting outside your room is required.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2272053]Ask for what? You can't see the square shoulders and big ass hands?[/QUOTE]Congratulations on being the only person in Asia never fooled by a LB.
Here's your medal: 🏅.
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[QUOTE=Goferring;2271954]Anyone got tips on improving my photo based gaydar? I'm usually pretty good face to face or off videos but from photos can be difficult.
I fucked up again and wasted a few hours chat time before the big question revealed the truth.
I guess its "Ask early, ask often".
Suggestions?[/QUOTE]That pic would have fooled me, too, G. I forget to ask sometimes, too, and have been unpleasantly surprised tho it's been a while.
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[QUOTE=DCups;2272135]That pic would have fooled me, too, G. I forget to ask sometimes, too, and have been unpleasantly surprised tho it's been a while.[/QUOTE]Wow, was that a ladyboy, oh boy, I would have been fooled too.
Vcall is a must, sometimes, I ask them to show me the goods, I tell them I want to verify that there is a cave and not a snake downthere LOL LOL LOL.
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[QUOTE=Goferring;2271954]I guess its "Ask early, ask often".Suggestions?[/QUOTE]Those arms are kinda muscular. I need several pics to verify femininity. LB also always seem to have Frankenstein bulge, ridge, whatever you want to call it, around the eyes.
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[QUOTE=NakedGunz;2272256]M.
Those arms are kinda muscular. I need several pics to verify femininity. LB also always seem to have Frankenstein bulge, ridge, whatever you want to call it, around the eyes.[/QUOTE]LB, right?
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2272053]Ask for what? You can't see the square shoulders and big ass hands?[/QUOTE]The 'girl' in Goferring's picture has indeed big hands, now that you mention it (but not really square shoulders IMO), but for me it was the shape of her mouth and chin that made her look suspicious rightaway. They are just not really female.
[QUOTE=Member#1088;2272330]LB, right?[/QUOTE]This one is more tough. I'm not sure. In her case I would ask for more pictures. The vague moustache might be a sign but OTOH some real girls have that too.
The second picture is not the same girl, right?
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[QUOTE=DCups;2272135]That pic would have fooled me, too, G. I forget to ask sometimes, too, and have been unpleasantly surprised tho it's been a while.[/QUOTE]On DIA now some of the girls who look very feminine have been asked so many times if they are a LB that they have put in their profile a statement saying that they are "not a LB or Trans, I am 100% girl since birth". Their pics must look borderline to some guys, Appears the question is being asked often. I really don't understand why a LB doesn't just state the fact up front. There must be guys looking for them so what is the point of hiding the fact and in so doing miss their intended targets. Is it just a game they are playing?
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[QUOTE=ForkTruck;2272419]Their pics must look borderline to some guys, Appears the question is being asked often. I really don't understand why a LB doesn't just state the fact up front. There must be guys looking for them so what is the point of hiding the fact and in so doing miss their intended targets. Is it just a game they are playing?[/QUOTE]The more seasoned girls don't even bat an eye lid at being asked, its asked that often. Some new girls might get offended but they soon get use to it.
Most LBs do put it in their profile. Especially in Tinder. However, seriously who reads the Profile? I'd read less than 5% profiles because they all say the same thing.
Very few hide the fact and the vast majority will answer truthfully if asked point blank.
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[QUOTE=ForkTruck;2272419]On DIA now some of the girls who look very feminine have been asked so many times if they are a LB that they have put in their profile a statement saying that they are "not a LB or Trans, I am 100% girl since birth". Their pics must look borderline to some guys, Appears the question is being asked often.[/QUOTE]I don't think it has anything to do with the pictures. I think a lot of guys are just paranoid and ask everybody in order to be sure.
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[QUOTE=Mogwai;2272379]This one is more tough. I'm not sure. In her case I would ask for more pictures. The vague moustache might be a sign but OTOH some real girls have that too.[/QUOTE]Again you have that dude brow and forehead that NG mentioned about the first one that was posted. Coupled with the mustache that you mentioned. And the boxy unfeminine dude shape (although many Pinay are shaped boxy as well). Come on man. Don't let the long hair and makeup fool you. I think that is what is distracting you guys' attention. Picture the person with short hair and no makeup. With these ladyboys hair pulled back and no makeup, I don't think there would be any doubt they look like the men they are. Those pictures that Member put up look like one of those guys standing in front of Phillies in AC!
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[QUOTE=Goferring;2272073]Congratulations on being the only person in Asia never fooled by a LB.
Here's your medal:.[/QUOTE]In what extant you became fooled by a LB?
The truth is I never fooled bringing a LB till in the room. Never met any LB in Philippine but only in chatting. Yes, in Pattaya I encountered some LBs; even there have LB's bar or Gay Hotel (Pent house). One would meet LB in every foot step in Pattaya. Stunning or cute LB, very difficult to identify. But in every case of me, the LBs admitted they are not girl. It happened I had wasted my time, and that's the limit.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2272484]Again you have that dude brow and forehead that NG mentioned about the first one that was posted. Coupled with the mustache that you mentioned. And the boxy unfeminine dude shape (although many Pinay are shaped boxy as well). Come on man. Don't let the long hair and makeup fool you. I think that is what is distracting you guys' attention. Picture the person with short hair and no makeup. With these ladyboys hair pulled back and no makeup, I don't think there would be any doubt they look like the men they are. Those pictures that Member put up look like one of those guys standing in front of Phillies in AC![/QUOTE]
Square shoulders
Short hair
small breasts
LB or not?
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[QUOTE=Member#1088;2272522]Square shoulders
Short hair
small breasts
LB or not?[/QUOTE]Dudes don't have hips, which means they can not have hourglass figures as in the pic you posted. You would not seriously suspect her of being a dude would you? If so that is the paranoia that I was talking about in a previous post. That is an obvious woman.
From google: Thus females generally have relatively narrow waists and large buttocks, and this along with [b]wide hips make for a wider hip section and a lower waist-hip ratio compared to men.[/b]
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[QUOTE=Member#1088;2272522]Square shoulders.Short hair,small breastsLB or not?[/QUOTE]Those are very feminine hips and pussy gap. Hard for a man to pull off. Yeah, I've seen this pic on Tinder also. LBs really ruin Thai, Phils online mongering, and they are rampant in the Phils sites. You need more than photos to solve this mystery. Ask how many kids, blah blah. Then ask about ass fucking and BBBJCIM. A rapid willingness for those activities is also a give away.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2272484]Again you have that dude brow and forehead that NG mentioned about the first one that was posted. Coupled with the mustache that you mentioned. And the boxy unfeminine dude shape (although many Pinay are shaped boxy as well). Come on man. Don't let the long hair and makeup fool you. I think that is what is distracting you guys' attention. Picture the person with short hair and no makeup. With these ladyboys hair pulled back and no makeup, I don't think there would be any doubt they look like the men they are. Those pictures that Member put up look like one of those guys standing in front of Phillies in AC![/QUOTE]I don't see a dude brow and forehead (whatever that is) and I certainly don't see a boxy unfeminine dude shape. Maybe you just want to see that because she's not clearly a female.
So I'm still not convinced that she's a ladyboy. I'm not trolling, I'm really not convinced. There are real girls out there who look like LBs, unfortunately.
And the majority of the 'girls' standing in front of Phillies are clearly LBs and would wish they looked as female as her (or him)!
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[QUOTE=Goferring;2272422]
Most LBs do put it in their profile.[/QUOTE]In Thailand yes, but not in the Phils unfortunately. Not in WeChat or Badoo anyway.
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[QUOTE=Member#1088;2272522]Square shoulders
Short hair
small breasts
LB or not?[/QUOTE]I've created a monster with the original post. . . LOL.
Surely it easier to ask her than get 20 different opinions on a Forum. I've never seen anyone stop the conversation because of the question. Refusal to answer would be a MAJOR cause of concern.
In my obviously flawed judgement, a confident, full frontal pose with pubic area unhidden is not a common photo for a LB. I vote girl.
What did she say?
Enjoy, G.
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[QUOTE=NakedGunz;2272625]Those are very feminine hips and pussy gap. Hard for a man to pull off. Yeah, I've seen this pic on Tinder also. LBs really ruin Thai, Phils online mongering, and they are rampant in the Phils sites. You need more than photos to solve this mystery. Ask how many kids, blah blah. Then ask about ass fucking and BBBJCIM. A rapid willingness for those activities is also a give away.[/QUOTE]Actually I do think she is a girl due to the space between the legs, LOL LOL.
You saw her in Tinder, did you do a deep probe to verify she is a gilr? I would love to see her naked pics.
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[QUOTE=Member#1088;2272841]Actually I do think she is a girl due to the space between the legs, LOL LOL.
You saw her in Tinder, did you do a deep probe to verify she is a gilr? I would love to see her naked pics.[/QUOTE]The only pic pose that you can be sure she is not a lb.
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=289850&d=1547237876[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Member#1088;2272875]The only pic pose that you can be sure she is not a lb.
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=289850&d=1547237876[/URL][/QUOTE]Haha. Like that one.
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[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2272901]Haha. Like that one.[/QUOTE]Jeez, I don't know. She's got pretty long toes so you never know.
Do you have another photo? Just to help the assessment.
LOL.
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[QUOTE=Member#1088;2272875]The only pic pose that you can be sure she is not a lb.
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=289850&d=1547237876[/URL][/QUOTE]Holy shit: "Give me another man. I just broke this one" she says at session's end.
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[QUOTE=Goferring;2272918]Holy shit: "Give me another man. I just broke this one" she says at session's end.[/QUOTE]All her pics here in the brasilian forum.
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?t=2204&p=2272575#post2272575[/URL]
LOL.
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[QUOTE=Goferring;2272917]Jeez, I don't know. She's got pretty long toes so you never know. Do you have another photo? Just to help the assessment.
LOL.[/QUOTE]For you, G, anything!
What do you gents think? Hahaha. Ahahahahahahahaha.
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To dumb to marry?
I am wondering how many western university educated men have successfully married a Filipina who was a sex machine? They are just so simple and dumb, does it work out outside of sex?
PP.
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[QUOTE=Pinaypounder;2273003]They are just so simple and dumb, does it work out outside of sex?
[/QUOTE]Another classic sweeping generalization.
If you spent time in the Philippines working here alongside filipinos and filipinas you would discover that there are extremely talented people who can do all manner of tasks and jobs. A friend of mine in NZ has a factory and he will employ filipinas ONLY as they are the best workers he can find.
If the only girls that guys interract with are hookers or uneducated FLs hustling for cash because they have no jobs and are unemployable, then you might conclude that they are "so simple and dumb", but that's a small sample. The educated ones are "cream of the crop".
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[QUOTE=RedKilt;2273183]If the only girls that guys interract with are hookers or uneducated FLs hustling for cash because they have no jobs and are unemployable, then you might conclude that they are "so simple and dumb", but that's a small sample. The educated ones are "cream of the crop".[/QUOTE]I've always found, in the long term, you are the company you keep.
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What do you gents think? Hahaha. Ahahahahahahahaha.[/QUOTE]I wonder what you are hiding for us. Do you secrectly date LBs?
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[QUOTE=Mogwai;2273206]I wonder what you are hiding for us. Do you secrectly date LBs?[/QUOTE]If I secretly dated them, that would be my biz. If I un-secretly dated them, that would be my biz. If I don't date them, that would be my biz. No need to confirm / deny. Keep guessing!
I didn't post it in regard to my orientation. I posted it in regards to the recent and past discussion (s) of who (thinks they) can tell, who can't, hands, adam's apples, shoulders, and so on. The pic is ambiguous. I have so many. Pics.
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[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2272974]For you, G, anything!
What do you gents think? Hahaha. Ahahahahahahahaha.[/QUOTE]I think you should have paid her in JollieBee gift certificates.
You sure put an end to the discussion of Pinas becoming fatter and fatter.
Enjoy, G.
😁 😉 😁 😉 😁 😉 😁 😉.
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Just a word of warning. For a long time if girls put in their profile as single mother it meant they are real girls. Nowadays Lady Boys have caught on saying they are single mothers. I had conversation on Skype with two of them. They were looking for help to feed their kid. I asked them to come to my hotel room although I am not in Philippine. They shied away and would not show themselves on cam. Later one admitted he is not a woman. I strongly believe date in Asia should have a separate site for them. There they can ply their trade.
I am sure they have a clientele but I have never seen any foreigners openly walking with them.
So just be cautious thinking if they have a kid no need to ask.
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[QUOTE=Sammon;2273301]......... I strongly believe date in Asia should have a separate site for them. There they can ply their trade.............[/QUOTE][URL]oyoy.com[/URL] The sister of DIA, seeded with lady boys.
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[QUOTE=Sammon;2273301]I am sure they have a clientele but I have never seen any foreigners openly walking with them.[/QUOTE]Come to Thailand and you will see foreigners openly walking with ladyboys all day long. And of course there are many ladyboy only bars where you can barfine them. Weirdest thing I saw one night was a group of friends walking down the street and each was holding hands with their own ladyboy. Now that is uncommon. I was thinking where did these friends meet each other. Must have been on some love for lbs website or something.
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[QUOTE=Sammon;2273301]
I am sure they have a clientele but I have never seen any foreigners openly walking with them.[/QUOTE]I have no idea why but TGI Friday in Cebu seems to be a popular place for the John to take his LB to dine.
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[QUOTE=Goferring;2273338]I have no idea why but TGI Friday in Cebu seems to be a popular place for the John to take his LB to dine.[/QUOTE]Good observation Goffering.
It is either they don't care and are proud or don't know. Is a mix IMHO as I have seen that many times and wondered but then I sat there a few times and was clear to me that some mongers knew the person was LB. Same in Bos Coffee when 4-6 of them would meet with a young American who would hold their hands, kiss them etc. Not shy, not care and very proud.
Have seen LBs in VFS in Cebu applying for visas to the UK and Australia and one higher) profile LB from Cebu (and mainly Bos Coffee) is now living mostly in Australia. Sponsored by a guy and wife (who is a transgender).
Maybe they can't do that in their home country so really enjoy the freedom the Philippines offers.
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[QUOTE=WickedRoger;2273364]Maybe they can't do that in their home country so really enjoy the freedom the Philippines offers.[/QUOTE]John is also away from the judgemental eyes of friends and family back home and can comfortably be whom ever he wants.
Similar to us and natural girls, he can also find a much more beautiful partner than back home. Our recent discussion shows how beautiful some of the trans girls here can be and how easily they can pass. Not something terribly common in the west.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2273330]Come to Thailand and you will see foreigners openly walking with ladyboys all day long. And of course there are many ladyboy only bars where you can barfine them. Weirdest thing I saw one night was a group of friends walking down the street and each was holding hands with their own ladyboy. Now that is uncommon. I was thinking where did these friends meet each other. Must have been on some love for lbs website or something.[/QUOTE]I am talking about Phillipines. My non working GF few years ago was from Thailand. She worked in a bank. Of all the places I met her on the street in front of her bank. One thing led to another and we were together for few years. We traveled all over Asia wh3 never she got time off. Anyway that is another story.
Point is one day she wanted me to take her to Nana Plaza. She has seen it from outside but never been inside. We went to couple of bars and she was experiencing the view. Third bar we went to what I thought was a regular bar happened to be ladyboy bat. I did not think anything but she knew it right away. I guess girls are experts noticing things like that.
Generally I do not really look at couples walking together. I only look at girls by themselves. Maybe this is the reason I did not see guys walking with ladyboys.
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[QUOTE=Sammon;2273498]
Generally I do not really look at couples walking together. I only look at girls by themselves. Maybe this is the reason I did not see guys walking with ladyboys.[/QUOTE]Every now and then I see a guy walking with a ladyboy in Angeles. But not as much as in Thailand.
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[QUOTE=Goferring;2273485]Similar to us and natural girls, he can also find a much more beautiful partner than back home. Our recent discussion shows how beautiful some of the trans girls here can be and how easily they can pass. Not something terribly common in the west.[/QUOTE]LOL. So they would rather have a beautiful guy with a dick, than an ugly chick with a pussy?
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2273509]LOL. So they would rather have a beautiful guy with a dick, than an ugly chick with a pussy?[/QUOTE]No. They would rather have a beautiful guy with a dick, than an ugly guy with a dick.
Big difference.
Enjoy, G.
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Very surprised
I thought this to be the real deal, but. He finally confess he is lb.
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[QUOTE=Member#1088;2273752]I thought this to be the real deal, but. He finally confess he is lb.[/QUOTE]You are joking right?
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2273767]You are joking right?[/QUOTE]Nope, in the chats she (he) didn't answer some of the questions correctly so finlly confess.
She refused to vcall, i did call her but her voice so deeeeepppppp and i search for her fb, and there it was, a few pic in which she(he) didnt hide correctly
maybe she is getting hormone treatment
Lb for sure.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2273767]You are joking right?[/QUOTE]ME, of 1088's pic, did you mean he was joking because:
1) You think the pic is obviously LB? Or 2) You think the pic is obviously a girl?
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[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2273772]ME, of 1088's pic, did you mean he was joking because:
1) You think the pic is obviously LB? Or 2) You think the pic is obviously a girl?[/QUOTE]Because first of all it does not even look like a real person. It looks like a plastic doll. Second, when have you ever seen a chick that looks like that? Have seen plenty of ladyboys that look like that though. I was really thinking it was a joke that people could not tell these were not females. None of these mfs look anything like women to me.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2273799]Because first of all it does not even look like a real person. It looks like a plastic doll. Second, when have you ever seen a chick that looks like that? Have seen plenty of ladyboys that look like that though. I was really thinking it was a joke that people could not tell these were not females. None of these mfs look anything like women to me.[/QUOTE]Actually I had 2 girls that look like that, I was very very suspicious until they sent me their proof pic (like the one from Brazil), then I knew they were with cave not snake.
So I didn't want to discount her.
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Sweet on PinayLove.
Reading their profiles melts by heart. Young, sincere women looking for the love of their lives, asking for commitment, their romantic hobbies of moonlit walks, candlelight dinners, hill walking, Church on Sundays. And their Pampanga addresses, wattsapp numbers and skimpy attires. I am one of the 99.9% who get a great laugh out of jerking them around, asking them for all kinds of improper services and so on. I never send them compromising photos and am amazed at the clowns who send them photos of their dicks.
Not only is sending them dick pics rude at best but it is like sending a cattle rancher a photo of a sick cow. These "young, sincere, God-fearing women" have seen more dicks than are in the entire US Fifth and Seventh Fleets combined. If we take the average dick size at 20 cm and assume 40 cm is a penis in-out thrust, and 25 thrusts (or one metre of penis) for a bonk, each of these women have had enough dicks in them to lay dick pipe all the way from New York to LA and back again. (2 x 4,000 - 8,000 km or 8,000 bonks, give or take a few hundred jeepney drivers). Few of those steps on NY-LA return will be memorable for them.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2273799]Because first of all it does not even look like a real person. It looks like a plastic doll. Second, when have you ever seen a chick that looks like that? Have seen plenty of ladyboys that look like that though. I was really thinking it was a joke that people could not tell these were not females. None of these mfs look anything like women to me.[/QUOTE]Based on the difficulty many mongers have in identifying LBs versus girls, it appears that sausage surprise in the room is much more common than many admit.
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[QUOTE=Member#1088;2273849]Actually I had 2 girls that look like that, I was very very suspicious until they sent me their proof pic (like the one from Brazil), then I knew they were with cave not snake.
So I didn't want to discount her.[/QUOTE]This one looks like a lb, I don't know what you think guys?
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=289958[/URL]
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DateInAsia and Pinelove girls / LB question
Just got back form Makati where I had quite a bit of success over the course of a weekend (met with 3 girls, left a few more asking for my WhatsApp) pulling nice women from DIA and PL. I found that when I asked, the LBs all were honest about telling me they were transgender. I don't know why its such a big deal to ask.
For the record, how often do the LBs lie when queried?
BTW: for those interested in how to score with DIA and PL girls, the answer is easy. Don't offer them money. They may ask for money after having sex (or occasionally beforehand), but since none of them consider themselves to be prostitutes, offering cash usually turns them off. Even the girls who are obviously pros pretend to be regular girls.
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[QUOTE=Forest;2273959]BTW: for those interested in how to score with DIA and PL girls, the answer is easy. Don't offer them money. They may ask for money after having sex (or occasionally beforehand), but since none of them consider themselves to be prostitutes, offering cash usually turns them off. Even the girls who are obviously pros pretend to be regular girls.[/QUOTE]As long as there is no disappointment when I hand them 1000 pesos. And if there is, better break out the line, "But you are not a hooker, so I really should not be giving you money at all. ".