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@Bratwurst
@Bratwurst
Welcome to posting on international sex guide.
[QUOTE=Bratwurst] GT ist my favorite club in NRW, I like a lot the fact that the girls are not 100% naked as I fancy some sexy clothing, and I enjoy the better price structure and the Bitburger.[/QUOTE]
GT is also my favourite club in Nord Rhein Westfalen (NRW). I do like my girls to be naked but somehow enjoy it at GT because of the consistently good girl line ups (for me) and variety and good reception that I receive.
As to the sexy clothing I find the girls quickly dispense with the skimpy clothing themselves in the room before you even get a chance to take it off for them. Maybe I need to tell them to keep it on and that I will take it off, but these girls are so fast, pulling their G strings off and bras off in a flash.
As well as the extensive number of beauties and also the competitive price structure as to extras compared to Hessen of 25 for extra half hours, 25 for come in mouth and 50 for anal.
Also the food is decent and I it is cool that there is food of some kind laid out like breakfast/lunch foods, then cake at 3pm, then dinner at 6pm and then soup later in the evening with 10pm pizza. Good variety and crowd pleasing.
[QUOTE=Bratwurst] But I unterstand from some rumors / reports that things are going to change soon, and some girls tell me they alreay don't work no more under 100 for 1 hour.[/QUOTE]
I first heard about the 100 per hour pricing model in the Summer and heard it was to become universal come 2009. There are already girls explaining that 100 per hour is their tariff but most girls are still on the 75 per hour fee price plan thankfully. In NRW, I like to go for one hour sessions but rarely get past the 30 minutes so this hopefully should not affect me too much.
I know in Hessen because of my A list there that at the pricing of 100 per hour that I still do it anyway without hesitation.
I can understand guys that only frequent the NRW clubs will be resistant to the price increase to 100 per hour, but I expect for guys used to FKK Artemis in Berlin prices and the Hessen FKK prices then they will not be so price sensitive when asked for 100. Just my view.
One view that I had not asked myself was if the NRW price structure and that of Golden Time did move to the full 100 per hour and 50 for extras like come in mouth and come on body then there is no differentiation between NRW and Hessen. Would an international punter make the special effort to get to the Dusseldorf area for the Golden Triangle clubs if the prices were the same as Frankfurt which is a far easier entry point for most carriers?
This point was raised to me two weeks ago with an esteemed senior member that I met in World. I had not contemplated it until he had mentioned it. One of the main things going or NRW clubs is the cheaper price structure. Okay granted that there is the facilities, the girls you may like there, the food, the fact that beer is generally included in a much cheaper 50 entry fee but now that extras and extra time is going to cost 50 instead of 25 will you be as eager as before to make the side trip out by car to NRW from Hessen or divert your usual Frankfurt in bound flight to a NRW port?
Okay, I know the girls is the main thing and its not about money since some of us travel vast distances because there is that one girl in NRW that can lick your balls in a certain way or has the muschi sensation when you fuck her that blows your mind. But for the guy that can find pretty much find any girl he likes in Hessen and NRW and their usual entry point is Frankfurt - will there still be the same flow of international visitors making the trip to NRW when the prices in NRW are the same as Hessen?
I know for me that the fixed costs of a 2 day NRW trip is around 50 cheaper on average than a 2 day Hessen trip. So there is still that.
[QUOTE=Bratwurst] Tiffany and Chanel off my list, both evidence that I have to improve my FKK instinct.[/QUOTE]
Blond Tiffany (Germany) has been reported on before as being a bit more of a marketer (upseller) and time conscious worker. Tiffany, however, does look good with her big boobs and usual topless and just a G string attire so I expect she will continue to draw in a clientele.
[QUOTE=Bratwurst] [With Casey] For a very brief moment she really had THAT light in her eyes, if you know what I mean (I am sure you do.). That light was then shadowed when I gave her 50, I think she hoped for a tip but didn't say anything and kissed me. Guys please confirm to me I did the right thing! [/QUOTE]
Bratwurst, I think you did the right thing. There are many times I felt I should give more than 50 for a 30 minute session since I enjoyed it so much but have been warned by comments here about the dangers of doing so and have given the 50 and still received my kiss at the end. I have seen other guys tip the girls when also in the locker room and see the joy and thanks given to the guy.
Kind regards
Londonbasketcase
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[QUOTE=Londonbasketcase]
One view that I had not asked myself was if the NRW price structure and that of Golden Time did move to the full 100 per hour and 50 for extras like come in mouth and come on body then there is no differentiation between NRW and Hessen. Would an international punter make the special effort to get to the Dusseldorf area for the Golden Triangle clubs if the prices were the same as Frankfurt which is a far easier entry point for most carriers?
This point was raised to me two weeks ago with an esteemed senior member that I met in World. I had not contemplated it until he had mentioned it. One of the main things going or NRW clubs is the cheaper price structure. Okay granted that there is the facilities, the girls you may like there, the food, the fact that beer is generally included in a much cheaper 50 entry fee but now that extras and extra time is going to cost 50 instead of 25 will you be as eager as before to make the side trip out by car to NRW from Hessen or divert your usual Frankfurt in bound flight to a NRW port?
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Some points to consider...
Frankfurt is almost always the cheaper destination when flying in from oversea's.
World has beer for free although only one beer, no selection. And mon, tue and wed 2 for 3 admission (or 10 pass's for 470 which you can use with a group...i asked).
Wintertime...more space and less smoke from smokers at Oase/World than Goldentime.
I love Goldentime, will always come back...but nothing gets the juices flowing like hot naked chicks. Some of the girls at goldentime dress awsome, showing off the goods and looking good. But some seem to have no clue what to wear or wear something to hide the flaws. Nothing kills the juices when the girl takes off the top and the tits head south.
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[QUOTE=Londonbasketcase]
One view that I had not asked myself was if the NRW price structure and that of Golden Time did move to the full 100 per hour and 50 for extras like come in mouth and come on body then there is no differentiation between NRW and Hessen. Would an international punter make the special effort to get to the Dusseldorf area for the Golden Triangle clubs if the prices were the same as Frankfurt which is a far easier entry point for most carriers?
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No. I would not even bother with NRW clubs if the price structure was the same as the Frankfurt 3. Unless I am traveling with some of my ISG bros & recent reports of some serious hot babes working, then I might go for it. Ina @ GT (works occasionally) & Dana @ LR are the only reasons I would give NRW a second thought.
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[QUOTE=Duralong]
If you have read my reports you should know I am italiano too.
I plan to be there next week, so we probably wouldnt find each other. Too bad. In any case good luck.[/QUOTE]Ciao duralong,
It's good to read from fellow italiani punters in GT, since I almost never meet one during my visits (except in Messe periods).
Compared to Hessen clubs, where at times you could start singing italian songs and half of the attendance would join in, GT sees to be much less appealing to italiani (and I actually don't miss the italian crowd in there, actually).
I'll be GTing next Mittwoch anyway, can't wait.
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[QUOTE=Londonbasketcase]@Bratwurst
I first heard about the 100 per hour pricing model in the Summer and heard it was to become universal come 2009. There are already girls explaining that 100 per hour is their tariff but most girls are still on the 75 per hour fee price plan thankfully. In NRW, I like to go for one hour sessions but rarely get past the 30 minutes so this hopefully should not affect me too much.
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I'm curious to see how this pricing model can be implemented in today's ecomonic situation. It might not hit on everybody's daily life yet but I've seen many escort price in Western Europe has been dropped from 300/250EUR/hour level back to 200EUR/hour level which was the price in 2005.
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[QUOTE=Xavier Yves]I'm curious to see how this pricing model can be implemented in today's ecomonic situation. It might not hit on everybody's daily life yet but I've seen many escort price in Western Europe has been dropped from 300/250EUR/hour level back to 200EUR/hour level which was the price in 2005.[/QUOTE]
For my view in London I have not seen much in the way of reduction in prices for sexual services but have seen entry prices for sex parties (the ones I know) have gone up to cover the venue hire, food and drink.
The anecdotal evidence that I have heard that guys are not going as frequently to escorts or if they are they are being selective as opposed to "what the hell I may as well give her a go as I have not done her before" attitude. Also there may be less overnights or extended sessions of more than one hour.
Some guys have just cut it out altogether due to strains on their finances.
There have been newspaper articles in the UK saying that the strip clubs close to the City are not doing as well as before with less largesse being spread around. The price of a private dance has been £20 for a long time - longer than a suck and fuck session has been 50 for half a hour. Although the £20 dance is really cut down to 3 minutes and is not as dirty and "hands on" as it was before. The girls have learnt to economise and deliver the service but not go over and above what is worth £20.
At Golden Time I have been a bit immune to the 100 per hour pricing since I have come from the Hessen pricing model of 100 anyway and did not start punting in the NRW pricing model of 75. Also extras in Hessen are twice as they are in NRW at 50 for CIM and COF or 100 for anal so to find that CIM/COF is 25 and anal is 50 is like a bargain.
However, when I am in NRW I do adhere to the local pricing structure given the feedback from other customers to prevent the slippery slide that is inflation in this hobby.
When girls ask for 100 per hour I do think about it before committing and you can see the girl looking into my face to see whether I go for it or not. She knows that the 100 pricing creates a differential to her sisters on 75 a hour. It is good that girls do say its 100 a hour upfront but you sometimes get girls saying that only once you are in the room but luckily in the first couple of minutes before you have gotten into your stride and looking to go for the hour.
I have not done escorts in Europe so do not have the anecdoctal experience that prices have dropped from 300-250 down to 200 per hour. In my experience in the UK the standard Eastern European girls at £150 per hour has edged up to £180 per hour and many girls ask for £200 per hour as the standard level.
You can still get many good girls at £150 per hour but you have more choice at the £200 per hour level.
Then there is the amateur and non agency market that you get on adultwork where you have the full spectrum of prices and services that the agency escort market has standardised.
As you say the pricing of escorts may not impact on most people's daily lives and some would not care less but it is interesting to know that the pricing down is going on to drum up business.
I was always under the impression that escorts/brothels had an inelastic demand as opposed to elastic demand. Guys will always want to see girls and will salt away cash to do so. Maybe I was wrong in the understanding.
Kind regards
Londonbasketcase
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[QUOTE=Warsteiner]
The 100 per hour is something that I have noticed being picked up by a few of the girls now. Previously there were maybe 1 or 2 girls that wanted 50 per 30 mins but this seems to be spreading. I don't mind paying the extra for the PSE stars like Regi or Melissa but wouldn't be too happy about it with other women.
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For what it's worth, when I was there at the end of September, all of my hour long sessions were 75 Euros. One of those was with Melissa.
Cheers,
Dedalus
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[QUOTE=Bratwurst]Ciao duralong,
It's good to read from fellow italiani punters in GT, since I almost never meet one during my visits (except in Messe periods).
Compared to Hessen clubs, where at times you could start singing italian songs and half of the attendance would join in, GT sees to be much less appealing to italiani (and I actually don't miss the italian crowd in there, actually).
I'll be GTing next Mittwoch anyway, can't wait.[/QUOTE]
Hey Bratwurst, sorry to be late in replying to you, but I am just back from my tour in NRW.
I agree with you. You may read this: [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=772024&postcount=2762[/url]
there is a part on the topic of our conationals in clubs abroad.
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Golden Time revisited
Went back to GT after nearly 1 yr absence. I did not recognize any lady, except for Sandra (?) -- that half east Indian girl. It seems nearly 100% turn over has happened since my last visit.
I arrived at 9 PM and stayed until 11 PM. Very short stay this time. I spotted a few beauties, but they quickly disappeared and did not see when I left. They must have up for the long sessions.
It must have been a busy night with rooms well occupied. I did not seen this many public sessions in the Kino before.
I spotted Carolina from Slovakia. Pettie body and pretty face. Slightly older side (late 20s - early 30s?). But I also knew sometimes the best service can be had from the girls of that age. So I decided to try. The service was definitely GFE, though not necessarily the best service I have had. It's hard to get the service like Regi's. Nonetheless, it's totally satisfactory. One hour for 75 Euro.
I then spotted Lorena from Romania with incredible body and beautiful face. No sooner than entering into the room, however, she asked me if I wanted to spend 1 hour with her and told me that her rate for the second 30 minutes is 50 Euro, not 25. When I declined, she asked me if I wanted CIM. After declining both offers, I knew it's going to be just a processing session. Once I finished, she immediately walked away from the room.
I then went with Monica from Poland (taller one, as there are two). No upselling in the room. I thought that was a good sign. She provided nice sound effect, though I am not sure if it's real. Again, no sooner than I finish, she was ready to get out of the room.
There is a discussion of 100 E/1 hour becoming standard at GT. I obviously did not like it and I declined. When 50 E for additional 30 min becomes the standard at GT, I don't think I will be back. There are other clubs in NWR that still adhere to this price structure. Furthermore, 25 E difference of the entrance fee would not justify a trip from FRA, IMHO. FRA is much more convenient in many ways (air access, restaurants, business, etc).
I think this industry, too, has price elasticity. At one point, you simply decide not to pursue any further. And each person has the different break point. I used to have a regular at home, but she kept raising her price and finally reached the point that I decided not worthy of seeing her any longer. It's because I had other options -- either better service at the price point, or same service at lower price point.
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To the management of GT
Hello fellow mongers. I still owe you a detailed report of my latest trip in NRW, during which I visited GT more than once.
I must say that, in my opinion, GT offers the best opportunities at the moment, however there are lights and shadows.
I am considering of notifying this post to the management of GT. If you agree with my considerations we may place it as a common request. Your feedback is thus welcome.
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To the management of GT
Hello.
I visited your place several times in the latest months, after discovering it more than one year ago. If things wont get worse, I probably will continue to be one of your customers in the near future every 2 or 3 months. Unfortunately you are too far away from the place where I live to be present more often, however I think you can consider me hitherto as a good client of yours.
At the end of my last visit, while I was returning you the key, you asked me, as usual, if I had a nice stay, and I answered yes, as usual, but I should have told you what follows instead.
I had some great sessions with some of your girls, but also a few bad ones with others.
A part the individual character and attitude of each girl, for which you obviously cannot be responsible, nor can do anything, there are two particularly annoying things for which you can perhaps do something to contrast them.
1) The tendency of some girls to step out of the room ASAP, i.e. well ahead of the end of the regular time for the session.
2) The fact that some girls ask 50, rather than 25, for additional ½ hours.
I have noticed some sign of thing getting worse in these two aspects.
Well, you may let things go out of control and transform your place in a sort of Arab market, leaving prices at the free contract of the parts, however I dont think that neither the atmosphere of the place, nor you, will benefit of such a thing. If one comes to your place is also because one knows what he can get and at what cost.
Therefore, returning to the 1st point of above, if its said that the basic rate is 50 for a session of 30, thus one expects to spend 30 with a girl, no matter what happens. One can come early, or one cannot come at all. If taking the pretest that one has come, so we are done, can be easier for a girl, personally to me the second thing (not coming) happens more often than the first (coming too early). Nevertheless I found some girls pretending to make me come in 5 or 10', and wanting to end the session after 20 (even if we explicitly agreed for a 30 session in advance!), because they are not machines! Well... is fucking their job or not? Anyway, I may be comprehensive, I dont pretend to fuck 30 long a girl if at a certain point she feels uncomfortable with that, but she may well recur to other techniques, or I may well enjoy simply caressing or talking to her. In any case I think its not fair to pay a 50 for a 20-25 session!
As for the 2nd point, you should make clear with the girls that there is a rational in the discounted price for additional time, also in their interest, as this seems not to be clear to some of them.
A girl doing an additional ½ h gets 25 more for sure, while otherwise she should get ready for another guy, hopefully taking a shower first, then restore her makeup, then catch the guy, then get a key for a room, all this may well account for far more that ½ h!
To be honest, this convenience for the girl start to decrease for session lasting more than 1h ½, because a 2h session would account for 125, while in the same time a very fast girl could be able to make three ½ h sessions getting 150! Although this seems to me an extreme case.
However, as there are these rumors around that you are going to revise the standard rates for 2009, I may comprehend if you will approve a sort of compensation for very long sessions, for instance sticking to the alternate rule (50+25+50+25 etc..) that other clubs nearby apply, I would be very irritated instead if you will upgrade rates to a flat 50 for ½ h like in Hessen clubs, and this applies also to extras.
To speak frankly one of the reasons for me to come there, take a plane to Frankfurt, then hire a car and then drive 2h ½, is also the lower rates. I like your girls, your location, layout, the atmosphere, etc., but these are good also in Hessen Clubs, moreover girls there are usually naked or almost so, which is a plus in my opinion, so, if you will align your rates to those in Hessen, you will lose definitively your competitive advantage for me, and this seems to be the opinion of many others like me.
I will appreciate very much your reply.
Best regards.
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[QUOTE=Duralong]
However, as there are these rumors around that you are going to revise the standard rates for 2009, I may comprehend if you will approve a sort of compensation for very long sessions, for instance sticking to the alternate rule (50+25+50+25 etc..) that other clubs nearby apply, I would be very irritated instead if you will upgrade rates to a flat 50 for ½ h like in Hessen clubs, and this applies also to extras.
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For what it's worth, I usually award girls at GT or LR with whom I do extended sessions, this 50+25+50+25 rate. Seems to me to be fair and it is just about the only largesse that I make as far as playing with any club's pricing scheme. If I do a 2 or 3 hour session with a gal, then she could be loosing dough by keeping me company and not being on the floor. Again, I think this is fair IMHO.
However IF the pricing DID go up to a flat 50 per hour, then my extended sessions would probably be a thing of the past at both GT and LR, except on rare occasions. Truth is, there are other venues in that area where extended sessions can be had for similar rates as what GT currently offers.
Although I do think that GT's talent level is currently less then it was a year and a half ago, I think it is still a fine club and a number of girls there are still aces. One of the things that does make GT and LR such a special option is the reasonable rates for extended sessions and extras. AND, I know gals who have worked in both Hessen and NRW who have told me that they make more in the NRW clubs because most Gents are more likely to extend a session or go for an extra BECAUSE of these rates.
With the increased competition in the NRW area and these difficult economic times, I would think that a price increase at this time would be more difficult on the girls income in general.
Cheers,
Dedalus
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[QUOTE=Duralong]1) The tendency of some girls to step out of the room ASAP, i.e. well ahead of the end of the regular time for the session.
2) The fact that some girls ask 50, rather than 25, for additional ½ hours.[/QUOTE]Although I'm not a member of the management I will give you an answer.
ad 1) Time is money. Golden Time is at some moments that full that girls are hoping to score a next customer as quick as possible. In some cases they are already waiting.
ad 2) It is a free market. Golden Time and other clubs aren't in fact allowed to do anything about the prices. If you all continue about this, the system of saunaclub will disappear. All those girls will than be employee of a club. You can be sure that the pricelevel will be much higher afterwards.
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[QUOTE=Dedalus]
Although I do think that GT's talent level is currently less then it was a year and a half ago, I think it is still a fine club and a number of girls there are still aces. [/QUOTE]
What ever happened to blonde Melissa who was always working at GT for the last few years back? 5'7, thin model type who also did greek.
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[QUOTE=Breadman]What ever happened to blonde Melissa who was always working at GT for the last few years back? 5'7, thin model type who also did greek.[/QUOTE]Working in Switzerland and sometimes a day or so in PHG.
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[QUOTE=Duralong]Hello fellow mongers. I still owe you a detailed report of my latest trip in NRW, during which I visited GT more than once.
I must say that, in my opinion, GT offers the best opportunities at the moment, however there are lights and shadows.[/QUOTE]Well, I agree with you.
It's nearly one year now i'm thinking of this.
Since 4 months, i made reviews on Youppie with clear indication of bad behaviors of girls. And last month, a thread started for the fees.
I just subscribed because i have a problem.
- 3 weeks ago i had words with guys who wrote that we are bad guys to not wanna pay what the girl ask / worth.
- Then i entered hospital for a few days, not planned.
- Since nearly 2 weeks, i can't access the forum (403).
I know a lot of youppie members and administrators come here too.
Can they tell me if it's a general issue or it's something dedicated to me, like i'm banned. If it is, i'd like an administrator contact me with my account mail (happyfukk).
Thanks.