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[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1132204]As a Bangkok Resident, and being in the game of non P4P quite a bit now, I totally understand the saying "you pay the P4P girls to leave" because let me tell you, these non P4P are a nightmare...I am starting to wonder if I am not better ditching all these girls and going back to my easy peasy P4P life of massage and bars. Was so much easier.[/QUOTE]By the time you're an old codger like me, Frenchy, you won't be wondering anymore. You'll stick mostly to P4P and appreciate the freedom. Freebies and "good girls" provide great excitement for a while but it soon becomes overwhelming. You can't just have as many as you want without stepping on some of them, and there are few things worse than an angry Thai girl bent on revenge.
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Exchange currency
Hi,
I'm from NYC and will be flying from JFK to BKK.
What is the best way to exchange currency for the value?
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I did know, but decided to report it in the general Bangkok reports, because Bangkok beginners like myself have no clue what annies is, and would generally go straight to the Bangkok reports thread.
I'm sorry if this was not allowed though. Ill keep future reports in their relevant threads.
Bionicman, thanks for the info. I was a bit confused because it seemed like there was a different pay system for each different palour. Sorry if I ruined the standard pay for you guys. Though I do think she was definitly worth 1000 tip in anycase. One of the best experiences of my mongering life.
Stay safe and play safe.
Kkreeac.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1132366]It was so overwhelming that you did not realise we have an Annies Thread.
Great report nonetheless. Well done.[/QUOTE]
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If it's true that "women always want more than just sex" and "they are hard wired to seek commitment or at least some form of support", if you are "leading a woman on with some kind of promise of love to get sex and you're not at all interested in going there, you are committing a despicable unethical act".
Stupid "idiotic society tells people that it's totally okay for a guy to use women for NSA sex. And even more stupid, that men should feel GUILTY for actually valuing and respecting a woman by paying her."
"Paying for play is the perfect answer that is GOOD for your karma. Your provider has learned to separate love from sex, and being valued with payment means she should not need to feel used. On the contrary, she should be feeling empowered and respected."
"Stop letting society tell you what to think."
Comments?
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Superb report
One of the best report I have seen in a long time and I hear you when you say that it probably won't be appreciated. There is more attention to bickering, arguing and posting irrelevant responses than to real reports but still one must do what is right. Many thanks.
[QUOTE=Kkreeac; 1132244]I know for sure these posts of mine will get lost in this thread, but since ISG kind of helped me in Bangkok I know its my duty to post my experiences with thanks.
Because the information on Thailand on this site is very overwhelming, and therefore difficult to come to conclusions on I needed to get outside assistance to figure out what to do in Bangkok, by outside assistance I mean various other websites.
Anywho,
Down to business.
Decided I must do the iconic thai massage, so got one at the 5 star hotel I was staying at. My advice, never get on, thai massages do nothing but hurt the shit out of you. I needed a massage after being massaged. So broken bones and torn muscles I found reviews of some massage palours close to me. 3 really stuck out, and they are the most prominent on this website with threads dedicated to them.
First is Annie massage, secondly is tulip and lastly mango massage. I have a feeling tulips and mango's would have better women, but I wanted to go to what seemed to we a Bangkok institution.
I went to Annies. It is located just off surkumvit soi 2. As you walk down its on the left side of the road. There is a taxi stand right next to it who's drivers keep asking if you want massage. Just say thank you but no.
Get to annies, and walk straight up a flight of stairs. There is a bar down but have no clue what they offer. When I got up stood at the bar and ordered a beer. The woman then shouted somthing over the mic and all the ladies assembled into the 2 'fish bowls'. As I was drinking my beer the mamasan gave me a quick tour of one of the rooms. Satisfied I sat down and drank my beer. When I finished it I chose number 99.
A quick summary of how it works there. You get in, the ladies assemble in the fish bowls, basically behind a glass window. Seated. The window on the left has girls marked with the alphabet and are better looking, the girls in the window on the right are numbered, and are less good looking, but some of them are still quite nice. The lettered girls go at 2500bhat for 2 hours, and the numbered girls go at 1700 bhat for the 2 hours.
From what I have read, the alphabet girls though hotter do not necessarily give a good service, while the numbered girls are suppised to give a really good servicing. And god damn I can attest to that.
Anyway, as I said I chose girl number 99 she was good looking, small tight enough body, and seemed like fun. The alpha girls did not look better or more enthusiactic enough to justify the extra 700bhat.
So I chose the girl and she lead me to the room. Got there to find what seemed to be clean sheets on the bed, and a bathtub, shower and sink. Ok in my opinion though these facilities were good enough, and clean enough I think a renovation would put them high above their competition. Things seemed dated there.
Anyways she undressed me and filled up the bath with soapy warm water and told me to get in. She then stripped herself and fillowed me in. She staryed by soaping ym body and rinsing it off. Then she did a through cleaning of my undercarriage.
Once and she was clean she started rubbing herself against me, very slowly and very sensously. She kissed very passionatly. Then she rinsed the sop of my cock, and I was already rock hard, she started to blow me. Starting slow, and then moving in much deeper, maintaining eye contact and stroking my balls and playing with my ass a bit. This was all amazing. She then got up and did this thing which I can only describe as an ass massage. Basically supporting herself on her hands and feet, she rubbed ber butt cheeks and pussy all over my legs and chest. The first time I've experienced this, and have to say it was out of this world! Seriously out of this world! Her pussy seems to be moist as fuck! With such an amazing view. What an experience! Then she got back to sucking me off till I came.
Rested for a couple of minutes while she stroked my chest with one and and my spent balls with the other. Then got up and she soapped me up and rinsed me off again.
Stepped out of the bath and she dried me off.
I lay down on my stomach and she expertly gave me a massage, paying alot of attention to my ass and balls. Great massage.
Then I turnd around and she massaged my front, again paying attention to my balls. This went on for about 20 min, and I was ready for round 2 she then began her expert blowjob again. Lovely, deep throating me alot. Wonderful!
Then when I was rock hard again, she slipped on a condom.
Now for those of you who have never been to Thailand, I have a suggestion to make. Always carry your own condoms anywhere you go. Now I am not where close to being a well endowed guy. Infact I am rather small. But damn, these thai condoms are fucking ridiculous. When she slipped it on it felt like someone was chocking my cock, it was litereally very very painful! I tried to bear it for a while, while she bounced up and down on my cock, but, the pain was exceeding the pleasure, and luckily I had a condom in my wallet. Slipped on that badboy and was good to go!
The sex was amazing. She was nicely tight, and old enough to have good experience, and young enough to seill be very beautiful from some certain angles. Otherwise she was just pretty.
Sex in cowgirl, then doggy, then mish, and back to cowgirl.
This was such a definitly girlfriend experience, because she would always lean forward and try to kiss me, and not just kiss normally, but really kiss passionately. On the last bit of cowgirl before I came, she leaned forward and again while kissing me got very very enthusiastic about it all, and rode me very very quickly. Now I know these girls are working professionals and all that, and can probably even fake an orgasm better than they can swindle you of your money. But I seriously got the impression that she did have one. Breathing and contracting spasms and flushed face at the end all showed as signs. But then again you never know. After she 'came' she seriously attacked me with the kissing, even more vigorously then before. Lovely!
Then wen on with the up and down motion, and soon I was ready to blow my load. So I grabbed her nice little hips, and pumped her up and down. What a great feeling then I finally came.
We laid there resting a bit while she kissed me some more. Then we got up and went for another shower. Soap and rinse and dry.
I understand that 500 is what is part of the expected fee and not really a tip, so I gave her 1000, 500 for what was due and 500 for spectacular service. She seemed very happy with this.
Kissed me good bye, lead me the way out and I went back to my hotel completely satisfied.
That is a real thai massage.
Look our for part 2.
Stay safe and play safe.
Kkreeac[/QUOTE]
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Comments
Here is my comment. You have lost all perpsective on reality when it comes to women. Many women enjoy sex in the same NSA attached way that men do and with the gender imbalance in Thailand that effect is more pronounced. There is nothing wrong with paying for sex but don't kid yourself that it is normal. It is not, regardless of where you are. Dude seriously you need to reassess the way you view women. I can scarcely beliveve what you have written. Respect is taking a woman and making her feel like a princess for a night when she knows full well that you have no long term view (you need to make that clear from day one to be fair to the girl and to avoid the problems that Nic Frenchy earlier alluded to). Girls love this and it suits many of them very well. They don't want to marry a farang but want to enjoy feeling like a woman while they wait for Thai Mr Right. Man do Thailand a favour and get it out of your head that every girl here is a hooker, Please.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1132574]If it's true that "women always want more than just sex" and "they are hard wired to seek commitment or at least some form of support", if you are "leading a woman on with some kind of promise of love to get sex and you're not at all interested in going there, you are committing a despicable unethical act".
Stupid "idiotic society tells people that it's totally okay for a guy to use women for NSA sex. And even more stupid, that men should feel GUILTY for actually valuing and respecting a woman by paying her."
"Paying for play is the perfect answer that is GOOD for your karma. Your provider has learned to separate love from sex, and being valued with payment means she should not need to feel used. On the contrary, she should be feeling empowered and respected."
"Stop letting society tell you what to think."
Comments? [/QUOTE]
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Interesting to read the Annie's report below, as I've just got back to my hotel after a fairly [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url]-poor time there.
The approach. Stairs, drink, relaxed setting, checking out the ladies all in good time. Was excellent and really put me in the mood. I noticed a numbered girl who looked pretty nice and picked her, although to be fair when I mentioned to the mamasan that I wanted a good massage in addition to everything else, she'd recommended a couple of others. They weren't great lookers though, so I picked the neighbour mentioned above.
We went to the room, ran a bath and I made a real effort to engage in gentle banter, which was reciprocated to some extent. Actually, the bath and the atmos was very nice indeed; it was only when we got down to the sex about an hour in (I know, I'm a fan of the slow build-up) that the disappointments began to come.
It started with a request for a tip prior to blowing me. Yep, this was made somewhat in jest, but was repeated 4 or 5 times. Tiresome and unnecessary, really put me off. After a minute or so, she said she really wanted sex, so I obliged. A few mins of mish, a few doggy, then during a second session of mish she began to pull a pained face, saying she wanted me to come. WTF? I'm a mere 6 or so inches with a very average girth at best, and I really wasn't even nearly pounding away or anything.
So, all aspects of the sex had been disappointing at best, I was now quite to get things over and done with, and let her HJ me to finish (which she did very well, admittedly, but it's not exactly difficult). Then she just lay on her side, clutching her stomach and moaning now and then, interspersed with requests of me not to be angry. I wasn't. Just deflated and, quite frankly, bored. I left quickly.
I've only had about 4 soapy massage experiences and have to say that the best was. In contrast to all reports. In Patpong about 5 years ago. So friendly, so much fun, wonderful in bed.
I'll go back to Annie's again because it has a great reputation, was well-organised, up-front and clean. I probably picked a dud and am willing to try again, but I left very disappointed.
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The most convenient way (although will probably get you a lousy exchange rate) is the bank exchange counters (Bangkok Bank, Kasikorn Bank, and I think another bank has a counter there) right when you pass immigration, before you get to the taxi touts. That way, you have money to pay the cab to your hotel. Another option is an ATM in the airport. The best rates are at Super Rich money exchange locations ([url]http://www.thebangkokshoppingguide.com/super_rich_money_exchange_bangkok[/url]). I'll be in Thailand next month and plan on just taking money out of the ATM. I don't have much time to waste trying to get the very best rate just to save a few baht.
[QUOTE=Azndevilus; 1132496]Hi,
I'm from NYC and will be flying from JFK to BKK.
What is the best way to exchange currency for the value? [/QUOTE]
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Stayed at Hotel Nana last night. This place sucks. The front desk staff is really shitty. I usually stay at the Ibis or Grand Sukhumvit but it was my youngest brother's first time so I wanted him to have the Nana Experience. All the SWs in the car lot were asking 1000 ST. I found one older one who wanted 1000 LT. I told her I would be back later but when I went back she was gone. I ran into a girl who was actually a freebie for me a few years back because she couldn't take any more dick and just wanted to leave without money. She was so fine the first day that I would have married her. But after a few years she has gotten older and gone downhill. We will always have money but their looks will fade. Finally got a girl for 500 ST. She was pretty good.
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[QUOTE=Bowerboy;1132625]Girls love this and it suits many of them very well. They don't want to marry a farang but want to enjoy feeling like a woman while they wait for Thai Mr Right.[/QUOTE]Absolutely!
All the non P4P girls I am chatting up (or banging already) know full well there is no future with me besides the sex. The issue is now, like last night, when 3 girls want to fuck on the same day! Not easy to always find excuses. P4P is easier in that aspect.
I was happy yesterday because I found a girl on Tagged who was looking for Frendship only. After a few messages, we upgraded to Msn, and after a lot of laughs we opened the Cams. She went wild. Gave me a stip and masturbation show. She said she had never done that before and was really turned on. She is contemplating the idea of calling in Sick today so that I can visit her room.
All she wants is sex. She has no BF, does not want a Farang, she just wants pleasure.
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[QUOTE=Kkreeac;1132244]I understand that 500 is what is part of the expected fee and not really a tip, so I gave her 1000, 500 for what was due and 500 for spectacular service. She seemed very happy with this.[/QUOTE]I have also had mind-blowing experiences at Annies. I don't give big tips though, maybe 300 depending on the service. Last time I went, my favourite wasn't in the fishbowl as it was already quite late. Mamasan saw I wasn't biting and said there's still some more girls inside. We turned and there was my favourite coming down the corridor in her street clothes (denim shorts and t-shirt). When she saw me, her face lit up in a big smile and she ran to me and jumped into my arms. Seriously. I love to carry her around. And as regards enjoyment of sex, after getting my rocks off, she wouldn't rest before I'd done my duty by her as well, kissing and DATY and fingers.
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"there is nothing wrong with paying for sex but don't kid yourself that it is normal. it is not, regardless of where you are. dude seriously you need to reassess the way you view women. i can scarcely beliveve what you have written. . . man do thailand a favour and get it out of your head that every girl here is a hooker, please."
bowerboy, you are certainly entitled to your opinion. however you seem to have overlooked that the post you were replying to was in quotes. it was not my opinion, but that of a farang female sp. hence the request for feeback or comments. also, sherlock, as to every tg being a hooker, who would be so ignorant as to think that?
regarding the paying for sex not being "normal", i don't know what you are trying to say. prostitution is one of the oldest professions in the world, dating back to ancient times.
"prostitution is historically and culturally ubiquitous, [8][9] with every culture adopting their own standards and attitudes."
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/prostitution[/url]
"prostitution as a profession has been around as long as there's been a recorded history, in some cultures prostitutes were considered valuable important members of society who held places of authority and had influence on the society of their day and surprisingly it's not all that long ago either. in italy in the time of the medici's courtesans were highly respected and had to be very well educated and highly intelligent to make their mark. in a lot of cultures young men were taken to "courtesans" in order to be trained and enter their lives as men."
in thailand i've heard it is common for young men to lose their virginity with an experienced courtesan.
"thai society has its own unique set of often contradictory sexual mores. visiting a prostitute or a paid mistress is not an uncommon, though not necessarily acceptable behavior, for men. many thai women, for example, believe the existence of prostitution actively reduces the incidence of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]. [9] among many thai people, there is a general attitude that prostitution has always been, and will always be, a part of the social fabric of thailand. [9]
"according to a 1996 study, the sexual urge of men is perceived by both thai men and women as being very much stronger than the sexual urge of women. where women are thought to be able to exercise control over their desires, the sexual urge of men is seen to be "a basic physiological need or instinct". it is also thought by both thai men and women that men need "an occasional variation in partners". as female infidelity is strongly frowned upon in thai society, and, according to a 1993 survey, sexual relationships for single women also meets disapproval by a majority of the thai population, premarital sex, casual sex and extramarital sex with prostitutes is accepted, expected and sometimes even encouraged for thai men, the latter being perceived as less threatening to a marriage over lasting relationships with a so-called "minor wife". [15]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/prostitution_in_thailand[/url]
finally, a few more quotes & a wrap:
"but we all pay for it in a round about way don't we? whisk them off to a swanky restaurant followed by entry into a club and not even the slightest whiff of a blowjob at the end of it all? clearly not spent enough! or got to 'know them' well enough is the oft used euphemism. so it's a few more dates of much of the same and then, finally, it's sex without ties or, if you're really unlucky, on condition of a relationship so you get baggage thrown in to the mix as an added extra! that is, of course, hyperbolic but then again is it really when you strip it all down to the bare bones of human interaction?
"in the unpredictable and sometimes baron world of 'dating', where the paragons of virtue can look down their noses from up on high at their moral inferiors who use the services of working women, it's perfectly feasible to spend the best part of the price of a new television set and receive nothing more than an ego battering for your trouble. with a hooker you'd get a ride and she'd at least have the good manners to pretend to like you."
"then again, anyone here ever been married? wives, the most expensive working girls. and they don't even do the business most of the time! i know a guy who worked out his wife cost him on average over £2000 per lack-lustre shag. and that was not mentioning the emotional cost of losing your home, kids, etc."
"they checked various figures length of average married frequncy of sex during the relationship, cost of being married and cost of divorce. in short they came up with a figure of how much it cost a man to be married and how often he had sex with his wife. the final figure came out just under 300 dollars for each sex act.
"i used to bargain with my husband towards the end, he would nag me so much to have sex, so i would say ok if you help me hang the washing out after! not actually paying for it in monetary terms but he paid for it none the less!"
"my friend used to have to shag her husband before he would 'let' her go for a girly night out."
"we all pay for sex in one way or another, it may not always be the coin of the realm we part with, sometimes its a new washing machine, sometimes a three piece suite, sometimes it even costs us a little pride or dignity, but lets face it a shag is a shag so lets just hope that whatever you are paying you get value for, just imagine giving up something even if it is just your time and energy for a snide ride, eeeeeew."
"i've heard of women using sex as a weapon because that's what that actually is. so what would you say if he said "i'll let you have sex if you help me repair the car"? same thing ain't it?"
"i think paying for sex is rational. by paying for sex, i get to have sex with attractive, intelligent women who wouldn't let me buy them a drink in a bar. so, fantasy fulfilled, i get to "bonk" the cute ladies and it costs about what i would spend failing to get sex from a bitter pof date my age."
as a middle aged guy i can pay the young hottie to do it immediately without any significant blabbing, relationship entanglements or feeling i'm leading someone down a path for my own ends that i'll probably cut off.
personally i prefer to pay for sex to an sp because it's less expensive. also much more convenient, hassle free, anonymous, to the point and with the clear understanding of being truly nsa.
in the end, though, whether you pay for sex before the fact to an sp, or pay at another time, through time spent / dating, dining & wining, child or spousal support, etc, who doesn't pay for it? and if all or even most do pay, then paying is the norm, iow "normal".
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Lebua Tower Club
Going to spend time at this hotel. Does anyone have any experience if it is GF?
Lex
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[QUOTE=Lex460; 1132910]Going to spend time at this hotel. Does anyone have any experience if it is GF?
Lex[/QUOTE]Maybe you could find the answer here if you even bothered searching a little and instead of posting in the wrong thread
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1029-Bangkok-Hotels[/url]
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"Friendship Only"?
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1132738]I was happy yesterday because I found a girl on Tagged who was looking for Frendship only. After a few messages, we upgraded to Msn, and after a lot of laughs we opened the Cams. She went wild. Gave me a stip and masturbation show. She said she had never done that before and was really turned on. She is contemplating the idea of calling in Sick today so that I can visit her room.
All she wants is sex. She has no BF, does not want a Farang, she just wants pleasure. [/QUOTE]Funny idea of meaning of "Friendship Only".