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Costs
[QUOTE=Jojosun;1283373]When EE girls come to visit you in Paris, how much does it cost you in terms of taking them out, clubbing, restaurants, drinks, taxis, metro.[/QUOTE]I posted this answer to JJ in the Minsk thread, but maybe it has better its place here. Just to point out once more that the Russian women's mentality on vacation is very positive. They don't mind riding the bus, are totally happy with dinners in mid-level romantic restaurants, boozing in nice but unpretentious bars, ect. No posh places, no glam clubs. No need. Most important is to actually take care of their well-being, fulfill their touristic expectations (long romantic strolls, visits of picturesque areas, monuments, ect) , and at the same time satisfy them emotionally, intellectually and sexually.
Had a 23 yo Belarus student at home this weekend, with who I was "relationship building" on internet since almost two year. She is on a Germany, France and Italy bus tour (her first trip in western Europe) and quitted the group to stay two days with me.
Saturday: meeting at 8 pm. Stroll to my favorite bar where we had 4 cocktail each on the terrace (was happy hour) , bill 40 €. Nocturnal romantic stroll to Notre Dame that lasted some two hours. Stop at a nice mexican place where we had three Coronas each + chip, salsa and guacamole, bill 45 €. Long romantic stroll to my home (I live near the Opera). Cost of the night in town: 85 €.
Sunday: wake up at 11am, tea at home, she wasn't hungry. Bus to her hotel (2 € each) so that she can change clothes. From her hotel, long stroll through picturesque areas, at 4 pm stop in a nice typical french brasserie near my home, she wasn't hungry, I had to force her to share with me one plate of frogs and one creme brulée, this with thow bottles of Chardonnais, bill 60 €. Back home for a wild fuck and more wine. At 11 pm, walk to a modest brasilian place with live music and great atmosphere, three beers each and some "casquinho de caranquejo" (crabmeat covered with manioc) , bill 42 €. Walk back home. Cost of the day: 110 €.
Monday (was vacation day here) : wake up at 11 am, cafe plus croissant at a cafe terrace, bill 12 €. Stroll and suntanning at the Louvre Gardens during two hours. Shopping to La Maison du Chocolat (high-end stuff) where I buy her as a gift some chocolate truffes, cost 28 €. Then stop in a cafe, one omelette for two and a bottle of rosé at the terrace, bill 34 €. Taxi to her hotel 10 €. Her bus leaves at 3 pm to Nice and then Italy. Long kiss goodbye. Cost of the day: 85 € (gift included)
Cost of the weekend: around 280 €. She sent an sms from the bus to say that she will be grateful forever for this weekend that was the most wonderful of her life.
As a side note: what great women Russian women are. Beside being honest, emotional, smart, cultured, witty, selfless, fun and great conversationalists, again and again I'm amazed by their liking for no-holds barred sex and their skills at oral. They are definitely the best and most enthousiastic blowers on the planet. It's literally amazing. There must be some special schools in Russia where they learn to suck dicks. She was with my cock like a starving dog in front of a roast chicken. No way to move her away from it, even by force (not that I tried too harshly though).
What a great weekend.
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The science of dating
dr. chris swader of moscow's national research institute has a scientific take on a topic often discussed here: "the commodification of intimacy? the practice of compensated dating in moscow". he seems to be touring europe with his lecture (abstract here:
[url]http://regconf.hse.ru/uploads/2e60d35a3fbbd4b4084164abcaefb0b445507a27.pdf[/url]
) , next stop uppsala university in sweden on september 11.
»evidence from online sources, realworld 'speed dating' investigations, and from qualitative interviews describes compensated dating as a hybrid practice with connections to both commercial sex and romantic love, yet distinct from both, « the scholar states. a fair verdict imho.
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[quote=banaanovich; 1321448]dr. chris swader of moscow's national research institute has a scientific take on a topic often discussed here: "the commodification of intimacy? the practice of compensated dating in moscow". he seems to be touring europe with his lecture (abstract here:
[url]http://regconf.hse.ru/uploads/2e60d35a3fbbd4b4084164abcaefb0b445507a27.pdf[/url]
) , next stop uppsala university in sweden on september 11.
»evidence from online sources, realworld 'speed dating' investigations, and from qualitative interviews describes compensated dating as a hybrid practice with connections to both commercial sex and romantic love, yet distinct from both, « the scholar states. a fair verdict imho.[/quote]thank you so much for this link. it's priceless. i love it. compensated dating. it's a perfect description. and in russia (especially moscow) it works perfectly because you have a relatively high concentration of men with relatively (disproportionately) high incomes who have the looks and social skills of neanderthals and a lot of hot women who can't afford to maintain the lifestyle to which they want to be accustomed to. without compensated dating, these guys would never get laid and these girls would never be able to afford the shoes, clothes and vacation they want. talk about quid pro quo. we have discussed this on this board to the point of boredom, but it bears repeating that this so called "compensated dating" is in large part responsible for pulling some of the best hotties off the p4p market in moscow and jacking the prices up. were it not for compensated dating (aka sponsorship) you would probably see a lot more competition for p4p dollars.
he suggests that this practice lies somewhere between prostitution and dating. and imho, he is 100% bang on. these girls in no way consider themselves pros, but in fact it's exactly what they are doing. and on the other side of the equation, i bet that a lot of these guys absolutely hate the idea of visiting a prostitute because of psychological or social issues. they are happy to shell out regular cash to keep a girl (or several girls) "on call" because they can afford it. and let's not forget the married guy whose wife drives him bananas and wants to keep a few girls on the side.
you have to hand it to this guy for writing a paper on the topic. i's love to hear the lecture just for it's comedic value alone.
good catch.
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[QUOTE=Jake993;1323872]Compensated dating. It's a perfect description. Good catch.[/QUOTE]Right, good catch. I didn't know that the concept came from Japan. What never ceases to amaze me is that the high-end clubs in "poor" FSU (Moldova, Uzbekistan, Ukraine, ect) are literally crawling with girls wearing designers clothes, expensive bags, fancy watches, Louboutin heels, with the latest Iphone 4S, ect. How girls can afford this? Certainly not from their wages, when you know that a girl working in a shop, in Kharkov or Chisinau, earns at best 200 €/month.
That said, there is IMO a whole stratum of female population in Russia who wouldn't even consider the idea of "compensated dating" (successfull young office professionals, intellectual or arty girls, ect). This is the best target for us (or those of us) who can't compete with Moscow money!
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Drill in dating
Agreed, compensated says a lot, but in the long run, it may get a bit. Dull. May question to yah all (seems to fit in this thread.). How would slavic women feel about going together with a friend to (a compensated) date in a strip bar? I don't go there much myself, seem to remember seeing men with girlfriends there (might have been dancers having a break). Think this might be interesting with my (young) girlfriend (s) , as a compensation or alteration for watching porn with her. Has anyone s-g to report?
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[QUOTE=Roll Buzz;1325343]Agreed, compensated says a lot, but in the long run, it may get a bit. Dull. May question to yah all (seems to fit in this thread.). How would slavic women feel about going together with a friend to (a compensated) date in a strip bar? I don't go there much myself, seem to remember seeing men with girlfriends there (might have been dancers having a break). Think this might be interesting with my (young) girlfriend (s) , as a compensation or alteration for watching porn with her. Has anyone s-g to report?[/QUOTE]In my experience visiting a strip-bar with a FSU woman is not a taboo, is almost "normal", generally speaking. They are quite used to it, and sometimes can be rewarding. Some friends have had very interesting experiences, mine have benn only "spicy". Lesbian sex there is neither a taboo. Remember most women want to enjoy life, and love surprises. And if your life is a difficult one, you'll be hungrier for nice and new experiences. Of course these are general rules, and for sure there are many exceptions.
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[QUOTE=Roll Buzz;1325343]Agreed, compensated says a lot, but in the long run, it may get a bit. Dull. May question to yah all (seems to fit in this thread.). How would slavic women feel about going together with a friend to (a compensated) date in a strip bar? I don't go there much myself, seem to remember seeing men with girlfriends there (might have been dancers having a break). Think this might be interesting with my (young) girlfriend (s) , as a compensation or alteration for watching porn with her. Has anyone s-g to report?[/QUOTE]I've done it two or three times, it was not a positive experience. The GFs felt rather uncomfortable, which, admittedly, is comprehensible. Strip clubs, despite all their wonders, are by nature a bit shady.
The only time I had a fun experience was with a GF herself stripper in a upscale club in Piter who visited me in Paris. Blondinka, eyes to get lost in, some 1. 80m plus Louboutin heels, hairs weaved with Zwarovski gems, sexy designers clothes, ect. The whole package. I took her to the local Hustler Club, and soon there was a dozen of EE strippers who came chatting. I downed two bottles of vodka with her and the girls. It was fun night indeed, as despite of those woman's talks, she remained very cuddly with me (which consolidated my position there).
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[QUOTE=Roll Buzz;1325343]Think this might be interesting with my (young) girlfriend (s) , as a compensation or alteration for watching porn with her. Has anyone s-g to report?[/QUOTE]As a side note and from my experience, Russian dyevs are MUCH more excited to the idea of going in a swingers club (not necessarily to participate, but as a spectator and if the mood is right, for public sex) than in a strip bar.
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[QUOTE=Roll Buzz;1325343]Agreed, compensated says a lot, but in the long run, it may get a bit. Dull. May question to yah all (seems to fit in this thread.). How would slavic women feel about going together with a friend to (a compensated) date in a strip bar? I don't go there much myself, seem to remember seeing men with girlfriends there (might have been dancers having a break). Think this might be interesting with my (young) girlfriend (s) , as a compensation or alteration for watching porn with her. Has anyone s-g to report?[/QUOTE]I have taken several girlfriends to strip clubs and the results have always been excellent. Firstly the working girls are more interested and then I have found that my
Girlfriends have been turned on. Even enjoyed a 3-some in Penthouse with one of the dancers. Highly recommended!
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UA girl
She is one of the girls I enjoy spending me free time with and we have great sex. But the problem is she only will have covered sex. And yes I have made a test and I always play safe. What she is telling me."but better to use them till you know that you and me will stay together for a long time and you will not betray me with another people"
I am out of options. Any suggestions on my move here?
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MY two cents
DON'T DO IT! Just had a friend go bankrupt during his divorce from his "loving" Russian wife.
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[QUOTE=Tomux 22; 1326023]She is one of the girls I enjoy spending me free time with and we have great sex. But the problem is she only will have covered sex. And yes I have made a test and I always play safe. What she is telling me."but better to use them till you know that you and me will stay together for a long time and you will not betray me with another people"
I am out of options. Any suggestions on my move here?[/QUOTE]Yeah that's a tough one to argue. I had the same situation a while back and one night we ran out of condoms. She was pretty horny and decided she would risk it. She never went back to the the "raincoat". Then, she broke it off with me and got engaged. Six months later the engagement was off and she came crawling back. However, she wanted me to cover up again. I am a patient man and expect it will be only a matter of time until we go "au natural" again. I also hide all but two condoms when she comes over now. Hee hee
BTW - I had a vasectomy years ago so the pregnancy card is off the table. This is all about safe sex.
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[QUOTE=Tomux 22; 1326023]She is one of the girls I enjoy spending me free time with and we have great sex. But the problem is she only will have covered sex. And yes I have made a test and I always play safe. What she is telling me."but better to use them till you know that you and me will stay together for a long time and you will not betray me with another people"
I am out of options. Any suggestions on my move here?[/QUOTE]I only can speak from my own experience, but IMO condoms and slavic girls don't mix well. Those girls are too passionate, too emotional, too spontaneous, and they tend to follow their instinct without thinking twice (of course I am talking about girls who are into you, not prostitutes or sponsorettes). This is not really compatible with plastic. As is alcohol, and we all know that they drink like Cossaks.
I know there is nothing to be proud about, but I've never ever wrap it up in this part of the world. I mean never ever. I'm not joking. And as far as I can remember, the only two Russian girls who asked me to do so were russians living in Paris since a long time ie who started thinking with a western state of mind.
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[QUOTE=PeterTheGreat;1326077]DON'T DO IT! Just had a friend go bankrupt during his divorce from his "loving" Russian wife.[/QUOTE]I know Russian women mentality to good to marry one my self. Sure they can be good wife's to a Russian guy. And sure there is exceptions where things can work out with diev and guy from west.
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[QUOTE=Jake993; 1326111]Yeah that's a tough one to argue. I had the same situation a while back and one night we ran out of condoms. She was pretty horny and decided she would risk it. She never went back to the the "raincoat". Then, she broke it off with me and got engaged. Six months later the engagement was off and she came crawling back. However, she wanted me to cover up again. I am a patient man and expect it will be only a matter of time until we go "au natural" again. I also hide all but two condoms when she comes over now. Hee hee.
BTW. I had a vasectomy years ago so the pregnancy card is off the table. This is all about safe sex.[/QUOTE]I guess I will need to be patient and see what will happen in the future.)